Insight with Chris Van Vliet - John Cena on AEW, WrestleMania 35, Kurt Angle, retirement, The Rock, wisdom

Episode Date: August 10, 2019

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It's the Chris Van Fleet Show. And since we had that lovely introduction there from Justin Roberts at the start of the show, he'll be very happy that today's show is with Gian Sina. I didn't want to go full in, but you know, you know what I'm talking about. Thank you for giving this a download. You may be familiar with this conversation with John Sina. It's from WrestleMania weekend. This year in New York City,

And there are times in this conversation where it sounds like a TED talk. There's so much knowledge here. He's so open. He's so honest. I really truly feel like this is the side of John Cena that we have never seen before. And I'm so extremely grateful to be able to share this time with him. The five-star reviews keep coming in. Thank you so much.

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Check out samsonTech.com so you can see their full lineup on there. Now, it's certainly not lost on me how special this conversation with John Cena is. I mean, this was actually set up through Tyler Perry, which is crazy to say that out loud. Tyler Perry helped me out with this interview. I'd done a lot of interviews with him. And after talking to him for his latest Medea movie, he knew as a wrestling fan. He knew I had this YouTube channel.

And he said, well, would you ever want to talk to John Sina? And I'm like, uh, would I? Yeah, of course. And then a few minutes later, he connected me and John Sina. And we set this up for WrestleMania weekend. And it was amazing. John told me he had 10 minutes to do the interview.

So you'll hear me politely try to wrap things up. around the 10 minute mark. And then it keeps going. And he keeps extending it. He keeps looking in his pocket at his phone and going, no, nope, you've got more time. You've got more time. And this was just great. So please enjoy this as much as I did.

It's really amazing. I am super, super grateful for this. Ladies and gentlemen, John Cena. I really appreciate your time. No problem. Great to see you. Good to see you again. You rolling?

Well, that was easy. Okay. There we go. We're alive, pal. We are live, yeah. It's two days before WrestleMania. We're in the heart of New York City. I don't think it's a matter of if you're going to be at WrestleMania.

It's what are you going to be doing there? This. Really? Yeah. I'm going to be interviewing you at WrestleMania. I mean, probably because I'm going to have a lot of time in my house. I know you're not officially on the car, but are you going to be at WrestleMania at all? I will be at WrestleMania every year no matter what.

I just don't have anything this year, which is a, I've come to grips with that. Correct me if I'm wrong. The last time you weren't at a WrestleMania was WrestleMania 18? Correct. Safeco was 19. That was my first one. But keep in mind, I'm going to be at this one.

And I'm an active part of the weekend. I'm doing a book signing tonight. I have the Make-A-Wish banquet tomorrow, the Circle of Champions banker. We're going to meet 50 families. And then I'm going to induct a great friend of mine, Sue Agen, in the Hall of Fame. So to all those out there who just don't have a match on WrestleMania and feel like they're not a part of WrestleMania, take it from me, you can contribute to the weekend without physically being a performer in the ring.

And I actually like that spot. I do. I'd recycled through social media a story that showcased the roster of talent we currently have and how gifted they are. and I don't want to take time away from people who are close and into the product and very good at what they do and deserve to be out there. There are a lot of people that think that you should be Kurt Angos' final opponent. What do you think about that? I don't. That's beyond my control. My response to that is control the controllable.

Everybody always asks me like, hey, what do you want to do for WrestleMania? Or what do you want? Who's your dream opponent? I have never, ever gone about our business that way. I do what is asked of me, and then when I get what is told to me that I'm going to do, I try to make it super special. So in that fantasy matchmaking world, all that stuff is good conversation. I'm very glad to be in that conversation because that means a lot to me.

That means people remember that first match, and it would be a nice cycle of life. It seems to make sense, but I trust in the grand plan, and I trust in the process, and I will do what I'm told. I like your Instagram post about it, though, putting, you know, Barron's head on your body from that original match. I think if that's what you got from that interpretive piece of art, then that's also special, because that's what the Instagram is about, an image where you can interpret what you want.

Is that what your Instagram is, interpretive art? It's explained in the bio that is exactly, exactly what it is. Now, every single thing that I post has meaning. Some are a bit more obvious, the Baron Corbyn on my face when he's facing off with Kurt Engel, and some are a little more subtle. I posted one today that was super, super subtle. And tomorrow's one is like even more layer of the onion subtlety. But I enjoy that because it just is using the medium a different way.

It's creating a virtual art gallery where the consumer can be like, I wonder what's on his mind or this is what this means, which sparks conversation, which gives us stuff to talk about, which gives you stuff to talk about. So that's that. I never tag anything. I just leave it out there for the universe. And that's that.

The last time I saw you was when you were promoting bumblebee. Congratulations on that. Are you busier now with the acting or busier when you were traveling all over the world with wrestling? The busyness is different. Acting is a patient person's game. It is being in a location for a certain amount of time and everyday chipping away at making this body of work become real. Sports entertainment is we're here tonight. We're doing this thing tonight.

We're going to the next one. We're here tomorrow. We're doing this thing tomorrow. We're being MetLife on Sunday and then Brooklyn on Monday. The offseason is 12 hours long. So it's a different type of busy. I am much more tied up now. I look back to a few years ago when I was able to host the Today Show in the morning

and fly to Raw that night. And I really enjoyed doing that because I thought that was really special. And I come from a universe where we can accomplish everything. WW superstars literally do not set limits on how they can push their brains and their bodies. I remember one trip with main eventing or having matches with Bray Wyatt, where we were in Tokyo one night, and then New York the next night, and then Los Angeles. Like it was an awesome trip around the world in an unimaginable amount of time.

Yeah. But I wanted to do it just to say like, wow, that was a cool thing to do. So now it's more like when a movie has you for, the movie, they have you. And you can't do anything else, and you're not allowed to certainly do anything physical, which is extremely tough for me to explain, because once again, in the wayback machine, I kind of had a certain view of what I've become, and I have now become what I despised. But I completely, looking from the other side of it, I was thinking, like, everyone who's going to be in the seats at WrestleMania, this is what I live for, this is who I am, this is what defines

me. It is what I've invested my life in. Why would I ever want anything else? I'm going to be 42. I still have my health. I'm not one of those people who's like I'm 42 in losing my health. I feel great. But I also see the business is evolving and the in ring product is evolving. And it is quick and it is fast and it is crisp. And none of those three words have ever been used to describe me. So it truly is about knowing who you are and knowing who you're not. And that's why I'm comfortable. When I was in Vancouver shooting that movie, the WWE had a Smackdown Live event in Vancouver.

I wore this and sat at the producers table the entire time and loved it. I got to see the show as a fan. That's what I loved so much about last year's WrestleMania, dude. I think every talent, if you're out there and you have a chance to sit in the audience for a show, do it. It's the best. I know we all watch from a monitor backstage, and sometimes we peek around and we look at the show out of the curtain. When you can be in the element and see it from that side, it's magic, man. It's magic.

You said something really interesting in our last interview. You said that you had thoughts of how you wanted to be a bad guy, but that's not the position that you're in. Have you actually thought about what your heel turn would have been? No, because then you become obsessed. And this is something that I think takes valuable, creative time and energy away from superstars. So this is more of a tutorial for like my pieces of semi-sage advice bestowed upon you. Don't waste time and energy over the uncontrollable. It would be awesome if I was champion. It would be awesome if I was a bad guy. It would be awesome if it was this and this and this.

Take what you have and make it something great. I've often thought about like, oh, this would be cool. Those are fleeting thoughts and they're gone. And I go back to what am I doing with what's in front of me right now. Yeah. And I think that's the best way to develop a long-term successful career in a business where you are relied on to be creative. People give you creative, raw creative material. And anyone who's ever had long-term success in this business has had to take that material and massage it and put themselves into it and put their belief into it and make it their own.

I hate hearing people say, well, creative has nothing for me, or they're not writing good things for me. You have a small crew of writers that has to write a mass amount of segments, and they churn out general story. The best, most brilliant situation in the world is you two guys are going to have a match tonight, figure it out. Or getting something that's not good, because then you can take it and go with the writers. and work and make it your own. And every, I've worked with so many of our writing team from the head writer himself on down to the guy with the first day on the job.

And they all want to create. But we're also under the constraints of mass amount of content, short amount of time. You have to write the segments. They have to come out of the machine because we have to have some structure because we're going live. It's up to the talent to take something,

no offense, that is shitty and make it good. I have never been handed a written piece of paper. They go, it's great. It's always how do we turn this shit into something that makes sense. Well, we'll continue on in just a second. Take a quick pause here from this chat with John Cena to tell you about shipstation.com

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And I've seen guys like Ms. do it. I've seen guys like Seth do it. AJ, when we were able to creatively bond for a while, Bray, sit there for hours. And the way I started with this was when I was writing my own raps. Nobody can write that stuff. Because at the time, it was an art form that wasn't showcased in the program. And the writers weren't versed in that art form.

So it was on my shoulders to sink or swim. and I would spend hours in the bleachers just writing punchlines and writing punchlines. And I became ostracized and hated by my co-workers because they thought I didn't care about the business because I wasn't around the ring with my shoulders on the canvas going, okay, who's in the ring? I'm around the product. Little did they know that I was investing everything I had into trying to develop a connection with the audience, which I believe is the most important thing. So on a day for creative expression, like on a raw or a Smackdowner or a paper,

pay-per-view day, you can't find me around the ring. I am locked in a room with a writer and possibly somebody involved in the storyline and we are just saying, how can we get your interest? With you talking about the business evolving and changing, what do you think of AEW coming in? That's a, that's a very broad question. So I... Do you think, you know, they're not trying to compete and that's what Billy Gunn, who's one of the, Their head producers has told me they're trying to find an alternative is what he's saying. So what's your question?

What do you think of the product that they're going to put out now that they haven't put anything out yet? But what do you think of what they're presenting? I think competition, first of all, competition is great because it forces you to step up or step aside. And I think that is fantastic. And we have internal competition of performers trying to be the best in our umbrella. And that is wonderful because you think, swim on your own investment. I think external competition is great because once again that'll force us to step up or step aside. And you can say whatever you want about competition, not competition.

It is, I view any form of digestible entertainment competition because your eyes can go elsewhere. Yeah. So that's how I view that. Competition also stands for the state of the wrestling economy. It's really good right now. There is a lot of people overseas that, smaller promotions are getting larger and more traction, which means you are consuming more sports entertainment and or wrestling, which is great for everything because the more you consume, the more you talk about it, the more you talk about it, the more people know about it, the more people know about it, the more people come to the arenas, the more the shows are, the grander the scope of everything, the more people know about sports entertainment. So when you have essentially

all these startups, that means the wrestling economy is booming, and that's good for anyone trying to lace up a pair of boots or low top shoes. I want to be super respectful of your time. So thank you so much. Wait. Wait. We got more. We have more.

Look at this. This is why John Cena is the best. How much, we have a clock up there. So what time do we have until? I can't tell you because I don't want you to cut. I don't want you to cut anything short. Wow. Fire away.

By the way, this is probably the only interview I'm doing during WrestleMania. This is unbelievable. And I'm super appreciative of that. So thank you for that. The Rock said when he got into movies that he molded his career after Will Smith but wanted to be bigger. When you started doing movies, did you have someone's career who you looked at and said, I want to do something like that? No, when I started doing movies, I was told to do movies by the WWE.

And this is why it was attractive to me. I was explained the business model. And when I was told to do movies or when I started doing movies, I was just WWE champion. I was beginning to connect with the audience. I'm like, man, this is great. I wish more people were here. And they're still, well, if we can make you a movie star, more people will know about you, more people know about you, more people to the arena, bigger crowds, better moments, everything means more.

Wow, this is cool. Then I get into a movie set and like, man, this takes forever. I want to be back in the ring and around the excitement. Yeah. And I was young then, and I wanted to be where I was at. I wanted to be WWE champion. I wanted to tour the world. I wanted to get in the ring and live in the most exciting element.

around. There's nothing like that 20 by 20 box when it's electric, man. And that's the truth. And I wish I could do it forever. But I don't want to ever allow the person who has paid money to see me being like, oh, man. So I understand now, after such a long existence, and I'm super grateful for that, you have to ask yourself, and I think every performer does ask themselves this. Why am I doing this? A lot of answers are different. doing it for the money because I don't want to work a real job. I am doing it because I'm good at it. I'm doing it because people like me. I do this and I had to like a lot of people are former athletes. It keeps me athletic and all these answers are perfectly okay. I do this

because I love to tell stories. Dude, I was so excited last year when my buildup to Russellmania was just me. And my big moment was buying a ticket. Like, that's something I'm super proud of. Because in Atlanta, in the go home, when the place was just wanting to see something, knowing that they aren't going to get anything, and then like, okay, well, what is he going to do?

Is he just going to go in the crowd? And then walking into WrestleMania, when the doors opened, sat there, knocked back a few beers, watched the show. Like, that's beautiful, because it's a cool story. And just an example of you don't always have to be the main event to be an interesting piece of the show. It is what you make it. And I put everything into that.

I'm going to WrestleMania as a fan, guys. And it took a while to snowball downhill. But as the weeks peeled by, I'm like, okay, they're going to bring Undertaker out this week. Sure as hell is going to be this week. What's he going to do? Go as a fan? Oh, my gosh, in the crowd. Yeah, yeah.

So that's just a cool exercise. And it's not because it keeps me athletic. It's not because of the money. It's never been because of the money. It's never been because I'm good at it, for sure. It's been because I love storytelling. And that's a very long answer to my next point of, now when I choose a movie,

I only choose stuff that I love. Because with a movie, you have the understanding that you read the whole story. You're not handed a thing where you've got to make it your own. Like, whoa, this is a great story. Because, once again, it's a patient person's business. I was just in Vancouver for 50 days, and that's a short shoot.

Every day you're there for 12 hours, minimum. You're there for 12 hours. They may only use you for 15 minutes, but you're there for 12 hours. And once you step off the set, the movie is not over. You got to kick ass and go promote and all the other stuff you have to do to make sure the movie is packaged and presented well.

So if you're not invested in it, it's going to suck. And that's an easy way to say that. So after 15, 16 years of doing this, the thing I love about it most is being able to tell stories. I don't want to be Will Smith. I don't want to be Dwayne. I don't want to be Dave.

I don't want to be Harrison Ford. I don't want to be DiCaprio. All of those people are awesome. And my inspiration is anyone who earns a living as an actor because it's tough business. Yeah. But I just want to do good stuff. Do you have any ambitions to break Rick Flair's record

and be the 17-time champion? Control. The control. Guys, I'm hammering home this point. Would you like that? that to be a thing? It's not even in my mind. It's not because if it is then it becomes the ring and like it's my precious and it's why. It's not even in my mind. It's just it either sets me up for a moment that may not meet my expectations or sets me up for disappointment. Figure out what's

right in front of you, this, this conversation and do the best with this. So maybe ask me back and we do it again. But I'm not even, I don't even think about that because it's beyond my control. What you do have control over, your last relationship was super public. Did you learn something from that moving forward that your next relationship might not be? I learned something from every moment of every day that I have. Today was a wonderful learning experience in a nice little happenstance circumstance, like a situation. The interview has been a learning experience. I've really moved to a place where I see setback or victory.

I can try to take something and move forward in that. in a better direction. Like, have you been, like, meditating a lot or something? You're just, you're, I feel like you're just, like, you're super present. I like it. I get to do what I love for a living. And there was a small period, I don't know, maybe six or seven years ago, where I thought my job was to perform.

And then when the performance was done, I was off. And that was very short-lived. And I realized that I'm on until the door shuts. the pillow, but it is the absolute trade-off for me loving what I do. And like, I know there's a lot of folks out there that don't like the product I put forth, but I don't think there can be a debate on the passion I have for the company that I work for, for my effort into the company that I work for, or any project that I put myself in. Because I just want to do good stuff. And there's nothing but respect from people, whether they want to sing along,

John Sina sucks or whatever. There's nothing about respect for you. I think I don't even think that needs to be said. And I feel as if I've ruined it for all good guys moving forward because I was the first divisible bad guy. But that's just, that's how the product has changed. It's not black and white anymore. It's a very gray area. And I've explained this in other interviews. And I think it's because our audience is so vast. We have people like you and me who love the product. sense of humor is different than a six-year-old. But we also have a ton of six-year-olds, and we have to, our content is made for them. PG, like that, we have to play by those rules.

So you and I would be upset about the presentation of some of that content because that's not us. But that is us because we're watching the show. But it makes for these moments that are so memorable, the face-off between CM Punk and I, or the rock and me or the rock and Hogan or any of these moments where like it's just the performers and mayhem. And that's special. You know, like I love that. I don't think I wouldn't want it any other way.

Thank you so much for your time today. Are you serious? One final question. Wow. One final question. Who is your mentor in acting? Who is kind of guiding you along and helping you make the decisions that you're making? The choices are simple. I just read it and if I like it, I'd want to do it.

And I know with that process, I will have success, I will have failure, and the goal is to learn from every failure, appreciate and learn from every success. But I want to be able to be like, I like this, I'd like to do it. I learn from every single person. I just worked with very experienced actors, Judy Greer, John Leguosamo, Kiggen Michael Key. I also worked with amazing children. I worked with 135-pound bull mastiff. And I can learn from all of them. Like, you can. And that's, I've never, that's instilled in me from the WWE. I've never been closed-minded to anyone's opinion

because you can learn from everybody. I've chosen to learn as much as I can from that six-year-old because I believe his opinion, his or her opinion is not jaded. It is truthful, it is honest, because they're at that stage in their lives where they're just giving you what they believe. but I don't close my ears to a 25, a 35, a 35 year old who has all the criticisms in my work. I have to be cognizant of that and try to do what I can to perform at a level that's acceptable to everybody.

So, bro, I learn from everyone. But as far as choosing projects, my system is, if you like it, do it. You are such an example of if you put your mind to something and you want to make something happen, you can make it happen and you can be super successful. I'll close by saying it does not happen overnight. I failed in the movie realm, starting in 2004, it was 2019. That's a good 15 years worth of striking out. So it takes time and failed a bunch in WWE before I made a connection with the audience.

And in that connection, continued to fail and continued to fail. And I think if you ask anyone that's ever worked with me on any of my misses, I will be the first to come back and be like, that was my fault. This is why we missed. We are never doing this again. Or this is why we missed. This is why I feel we missed.

What can we do to not miss ever again? So I'll make a ton of mistakes. I just won't make them twice because I try to learn from the mistakes. And I think getting knocked on your, like that's where never give up comes from. I'm using too much time, but I dig this stuff. I wasn't Brock.

I wasn't Roman. I wasn't doing. I was the last fucking pick. Like, Brock, Dave, Shelton, Randy, guys like Ron Waterman, Sylvester Terkeye, Brian Keck, all ahead of me. And it was, I was one of the guys that was going to get his pink slip. So like, hey, we're going to fire you, but do you want to do this thing? Yep, let's go. And I was vaulted into a character that I had to create and take ownership of that was only a small sliver of my life.

I loved hip-hop music and I could freestyle pretty good. Yeah. But I just dove right in, and it worked. And along the way, I had setbacks and failures and mistakes and good performances and bad performances, but there was never lack of effort, there was never lack of passion, and there was always ability to keep an open mind. And I think of a lot of our performers because of the environment, you guys have this. So with this, if you have a bad performance, you can go to this,

and people that like you will tell you it's not that bad. That is shit. We all live it. You can hear it. If you hear it, and Sean Michaels, best advice on psychology erogat, If it's loud, it was good. So I'll leave you with that. And I hope a WrestleMania is loud.

I got to go. Guys, how awesome is Sean Sien? Oh, that was something. Thank you for listening. If you enjoyed it, please share it on Instagram or Twitter. And tag me at it at Chris Van Fleet. Also, take 27 seconds out of your day to leave a review on Apple Podcasts. You know, I'm hearing that back now, four months after we did that interview at WrestleMania weekend.

And it is not lost on me. How special that conversation is. We did it in a gym right after he did a workout. And right before he went to a signing at a bookstore for his children's book, Elbow Grace. If you haven't watched the interview on YouTube yet, just take a second to watch it. Mainly just to see the look on my face when John Cena says, yeah, you've still got some more time.

Takes his phone out of his pocket. He goes, no, we still got some more time. There's so much wisdom flowing in that interview. And again, I can't say. How much I appreciate that. I also appreciate shipstation.com for sponsoring this show. Use the code blue to get 60 days for free. I also appreciate greenroadsworld.com.

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Control the controllable. Don't focus on the things that you have no control over. The only things that you have control over are the things that you should be focused on. John Sina, control the controllable. Boom. There you go. I'm jacked up about this one. Woo! Jim Rome takes on sports.

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