Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Jordynne Grace On WWE, Leaving TNA, Royal Rumble, Bodybuilding

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

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Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Van Fleet. How are you, my friends? Welcome back to another one here on Insight. I'm CVV, Chris Van Fleet. Happy Rumble Week. Should be a good one. I'm leaving for Indianapolis on Thursday. Hope to see you guys there.

Hope to see you at the live show on Friday with special guest Carlito. Can't wait for that. Thank you for being with us here on this episode. and thank you for making insight the number one wrestling podcast on planet Earth. It would mean the world to me. If you could hit a power bomb on that follow button on Spotify or Apple or wherever you're listening right now. Jordan Grace had an incredible 2024. And it feels to me like 2025 is about to be a whole lot bigger for her.

Great to have her back in the show. She's only been on once. And that was June 2020. So almost five years ago, a lot has changed since then. She is an absolute powerhouse in the ring and has been absolutely crushing it. So a lot to catch up on with Jordan Grace on this one. Snap a screenshot. Let us know you're listening.

Tag us on social media so we can share it out as well. She's at Jordan Grace. I'm at Chris Van Vlitt. It's just our names. And let's dive right into this. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome. Jordan Grace. I feel like every time I see you just get more and more fit,

like in better shape every single time. This is just look. Like three months ago, I was 30 pounds heavier. In a good way? No, in a not good way because my eating is just so, it's so extreme. It's either really bad or it's just on point. And I'm very lucky right now.

How dialed in is it usually? It's not very, it's not usually dialed in at all. But sometimes I just go completely off the rails. I'm a big binge eater. So like what's the go-to when you're just eating whatever? I eat sweets. I don't know if you, I don't know if you interviewed Moose or not.

Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. Okay. Well, he loves sweets and so do I. And so we literally text each other like photos of what we're eating, like ice cream, cookies. I don't care about pizza or anything like that, but it's just like I can eat three pints of Ben and Jerry's ice cream in a day.

No problem. What's the go-to flavor? I like the fish food. Oh, that one's so good. Yeah. That's a caramel in it. Jimmy Fallon has one that has those in it. I haven't, I haven't had the Jimmy Fallon one.

The Tonight Show one. The fish food and the half-baked. How do you feel about like candy? Are those the type of sweets you're into? No, not candy. Just cookies and ice cream are like my main two things. And what kind of cookies? Have you had insomnia cookies?

Oh, yes. Destroy an entire like 12 pack of us. There's something wrong with me. I don't think people, though, could assume that you can be this fit while eating cookies and ice cream. Yeah, well, I punish myself by just going and doing an hour of cardio after I do this stuff. So I think it just somehow balances itself out. I don't recommend it, by the way.

Don't do what I do. So your workouts are just crazy intense. Yes. Like, at least my cardio, I do a lot of cardio and I just, I do a lot of bodybuilding style workouts. When did you make the shift from you were a power lifter? You were built like a power lifter. Now you're a bodybuilder and built like a bodybuilder. Yes.

Powerlifting was just really hurting my body. Like just lifting constant heavy weights all the time. Really messing with your joints, it turns out. So, and doing that on top of wrestling is just really difficult. So I just had to kind of nix that all together. So when did that shift happen? Man, I want to say like 20, 21 probably, like right after the pandemic happened. Something like that.

Yeah, I feel like you emerged after that era. of like not a lot of stuff going on. And people were like, look at her now. I did the powerlifting competitions and I won a couple of them. And then I think I just kind of decided, okay, I did it and that's enough. Yeah, but it's one thing to stop powerlifting. And then it's another thing to like look like completely jacked. Well, I feel like I had to because I have to stand out somehow, right?

Like this is like my messed up mentality about stuff. I feel like there's, there was nothing like. unique or special about me. Like, I don't represent a community. I don't, I didn't look a certain type of way. I was just like, you know, I was just this, this chubby white girl. And you didn't, you didn't like see anything when I walked in a room. But I feel like if someone has, like, big arms and they walk into room, it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter if they're four foot tall. You're going to be like, okay, they're dedicated. They do something. Yeah, like in real life, people must be looking at you like, what is this skirt do for a living? And that's what happens all the time now. They just always ask me. And if I want to like Clark can't myself, I just put on a shirt. Like I just put on a jacket.

And that's no problem. What do they call that? They call that the pump cover, right? Yeah, the pump cover. And then people can't really tell. I'm just five to walking around. But as soon as I take off the shirt or jacket, like I think people immediately recognize like some level of something, some kind of dedication.

Or they think you're somebody. They think you're like a bodybuilder or something like that. So like on a plane is, are people always like, What do you do? Well, I've been covering up recently because it gets kind of bothersome because then people are like, oh, are you a bodybuilder? The easiest thing to say is yes. Because if you say you're a wrestler, then it's like all, all things are out the window.

People have a million questions. So I just, I'm just coming up now. 100% or Hulk Hogan, like any of the old school wrestlers. So you're just like, yeah, I'm a bodybuilder, which is not true. Yes. I mean, but people think you're like, you compete. And they're like, oh, wins your next competition. And I'm like...

Well, you have competed, right? I did compete one time and we'll likely never do it again. Why? I just love ice cream too much. It was the worst time of my life. Like, you're not eating. You got so shredded. I got so shredded.

I was carrying around an electric skillet, like, to all my shows. Like, I was carrying around. I would go grocery shopping every time I landed. Like, I flew, it would fly in early so I could go grocery shopping and then go back to the hotel and then meal prep all of my stuff. like it was just, it was a lot, man. And then after the shows, a lot of the time I would go and do cardio. Like, it would be like midnight and people would be coming in the hotel and I would just

be there doing cardio. Did you like the way you looked? Oh, oh my God. I never looked better. I loved it. Like, it's messed up. It's giving me body dysmorphia for the rest of my life because I know I will likely never look like that again unless I do that stuff and I don't want to do that stuff anymore.

What's intense, right? It's too much. much for me. Like, I don't know how professional bodybuilders do a year-round. Yeah, I don't know how they do it, not just year-round, but then year after year after year. And just, it's insane to me. I don't think I'll ever do it again. But, you know, we don't know. Never say never. I'm sure there's a certain amount of discipline, a lot of discipline that you have right now to look the way that you look in the wreck. Oh, man. You know, I'm trying my best. I think that the biggest thing is I mess up a lot, but I keep going back and I keep trying. Like, I keep... You mean with...

Is that what you mean? Yes, with cookies. Like messing up with your diet? Yeah, 100%. Like, I cannot say no to a cookie. If you offer me a cookie right now, I have a big paper for you this weekend. And I'd probably like, you know what? Yep.

We'll bring it in here if you want. No, please don't. So, but if you're eating, what is it, six meals a day? Yeah, like five, six. Okay. So I always talk about how if you eat six meals a day and that seven days in a week, 42 meals in a week, if three of those aren't perfect, 39 of them are.

Yes. But I think the big thing now is that if I mess up, I can just kind of reset and just go back to eating clean. And back in the day, like, I would mess up and then just like, be like, well, well, you know, fuck it. Just I'm just going to. Yeah. It's like when the one cheap meal turns into like a cheap month. And yeah. So I'm trying to not to get away from that.

So where are you at now? Do you feel good? I feel pretty good. Now I feel strong. I would love like always. I would love to be leaner. like and more jacked, but I know that there's, I just don't want to do like three hours of cardio a day and not eat the cookie. So the focus for you is cardio, not lifting weights?

Yeah, pretty much like the cardio with burning calories. Like, how do I want to say this? Lifting weights isn't as important to me anymore to build muscle because I feel like I have enough muscle now. I just have to maintain it. So you don't have to do as much as a bodybuilder to just maintain the muscle. You just have to eat a ton of protein and lift three to four times a week and you don't have to go crazy. But it's cardio seven days a week. Yes, cardio seven days a week.

On my off days. What's your preferred method of cardio? I like, I love the Stairmaster. Oh, like a true bodybuilder. Yes, I love the Stairmaster. I have one at my house, the best investment I've ever made in my life. Oh, wow. That's a big, that's a big investment.

It's a big investment. And honestly, there's been so many things that I've regretted. investing money in, and that is something I've never regretted. It's, uh, like, you could buy a treadmill on Craigslist for like a few hundred dollars. Stairmasters are a few thousands of dollars. Yes. The one I have now, uh, I've, I paid it off now, but it was 10 grand. Oh my gosh.

I got a, I got a nice stairmaster. I got like a commercial grade LA Fitness Stairmaster. And it has, um, it has something called overdrive mode. And you can lift up the handles like a farmer's carry. So you can do a farmer's carry where you climb the stairs. I thought I was going to use that feature a lot more than I do now. But I have used it a couple of times and it's really, really hard. Look, that's a great investment though if you're doing it as much as you are.

Yes, I use it every single day, sometimes multiple times a day. Now, is this only for you or do you allow John to use this as well? He hates a Stairmaster. I don't think I've ever seen him on it a single time. We have a treadmill at the house too, so he's usually a lot of gym. Okay, yeah. He also does a lot of jiu-jitsu. So that's mostly where his cardio comes from.

Yeah, I'm sure he's getting tons of cardio in. Yes. So this means the stair master is basically just yours then. Yeah, 100%. It's all my sweats on there. Never clean it. I was so pumped for you with the pop you got at the Royal Rumble last year. I was pumped too because honestly I expected to come out there

and no one was going to know who I was. Like it was my first time being in WWW at all. So I didn't expect people to know who I was. I didn't know like the crossover, what exactly it was between TNA and WW. When did you start hearing there were conversations that like, oh, we might be able to work with WWE? I mean, the first I ever heard of it was when Scott called me literally the week before and asked if I wanted to do the rumble.

Like that was any question at all. But that was the first time I ever heard about it. And then after that, it just kind of snowballed from there. Were you like, are you serious? Yeah, I thought he was joking. I was like, I had just got home from the tapings actually. from the TNA tapings. And I was like, I just don't understand why you're calling to rip me.

Like, you could do this over text. Like, I don't get it. And he was like, no, like, they want to use you for the rumble. And I was just like, it was mind-blowing. What was such a huge wave of momentum? Like, the tapings you're talking about, it's hard to kill. Yeah, that was when I won the TNA knockouts championship. Right.

And that's also when TNA came back. Yes. So there's this huge momentum of like TNA's back. And now you're in the Royal Rumble. 2024 was just a whirlwind. and I think who actually pitched me and who saw the match with me

and Trinity was T.J. So he's actually the one, yeah, TG Wilson. He was the one who actually like pitched me through a Rumble. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty wild. So you get to the Rumble that day,

you get there in Tampa, what's the vibe like backstage? So I actually had to go there two days in advance because they do like, you know, their rehearsals and all that. And because it's a lot, it's a lot to put together.

Yeah, they rumble. I don't know if anybody else knows that, but it's, it's chaotic. A lot of people in there. So I was there for actually like three days total. And then when I got to the venue, the day of, they have like a talent bus, but they wanted to like bring me separately. I guess I kind of tried to keep the surprise, even though someone at the PC leaked that I was there already. So everybody already knew. But I went, like, in their private car. And I went and I was so nervous. Like, oh my God. stomach was hurting because I just don't want to mess anything up. I don't want to, I don't want to not shake somebody's hand.

It's just like, it's so nerve-wracking being there when I know a lot of people there, but at the same time, there's so many people that you don't know who's important, right? You don't know who's like a head of production or one of the top writers. Like, you just don't, you just don't know this stuff unless you've worked there for a long time. Yeah. So you don't want to miss a hand.

And do you also not think, like, you don't know who knows you or who doesn't know you? Yes. And also another thing that I hate is. I'll shake somebody's hand and then maybe I'll forget that I shake their hand and then I'll go to shake their hand again and reach me. Oh my God. Yeah, we met earlier. Yeah. Yep. And that's the most embarrassing thing. I did that probably three times and I was like, well, I'm going to never work here again, I guess.

What number did you enter that? Number five. So what are you feeling when you're in guerrilla there? Man, I just, I just kind of disassociated a little bit. So I wouldn't shit myself. But are you not sitting there? and like, you just look over a little bit. You're like, there's Triple H on headset.

And, oh my gosh, I'm going to go through this curtain here in a second. Yeah, I mean, I just, I didn't want to think about all that because I was already nervous enough as it is. And I wanted to concentrate 100% on my performance. If there was any time to, like, make a statement and to seize an opportunity, that was going to be it. So I knew, like, I had to nail it 100%, especially because I was representing TNA. And, like, if I do badly, I feel like that reflects.

negatively on TNA. You were books so strong, though. I was. And I had a really cool, like, elimination. Yeah, I think I had a cool nomination. But it's not like your music hit. You went out there and you were out there for two minutes. Yeah, I was there for, like, I don't know, 13, 14 minutes.

You had some moments as well. Yeah, I had one with Ivy Nile, Trinity, which is so awesome. And then Bianca, so. Planting some seeds here, I feel like. I know. It would be awesome to wrestle any of those women. in WW. It would be so cool.

Yeah. So like anything can happen now. The announcement was just happened recently. There's a partnership with TNA and WWE. Yep. Official press release and everything. Yeah. This is not just like a,

this is official now. And it's out there of like. It's on paper. So let's do some fantasy booking then. What are the WWE matches, the WWE opponents that you want to see? I feel like obviously, Bianca.

Oh, you're talking about, not for me. No, no, no, no, for you. Yes. Yeah, for you. They can do the other ones too. I would love to wrestle Bianca. I love to Russell Ivy. Ria, I feel like, is kind of an obvious choice.

And it's so funny, actually, I have a little sister, and she doesn't really watch wrestling, but she does TikTok. She, like, loves TikTok. And I guess Ria is, like, so popular on TikTok, right? Yeah. So she knows Ria from TikTok, and she's obsessed with her. And so when she saw the photo of me in Ria, like with our belts at the Rumble, she called me and she was scrubs.

screaming. She doesn't care about me, but she's like, oh, my God, I cannot believe you met her. And she was like, do you have her phone number? And I was like, yeah. And she was like, what is happening? Think about this. If someone went into a coma like five years ago and they woke up now and saw that photo of you and they wouldn't believe it, right?

Oh, they wouldn't believe it at all. But I'm just excited for what this means for TNA, because it's more visibility for TNA, obviously. It's just the brand recognition in general. Being associated with W.W.B. is so huge. It's a big, big deal. Well, the great thing about it is it goes both ways, right? So we get to see a lot of TNA talent in WWE, and we get to see WWE talent in TNA.

Yeah. And I think for like the WWE wrestlers, especially for like the NIL talent, I think it's a great opportunity to kind of branch out and to kind of get a vibe of a different audience, right? TNA might be different than like the NXT audience that they're in front of normally. So I feel like it's really good in that sense. After you were in the Royal Rumble in 2024, were there conversations backstage of like, we want you to do more here in WWA? I mean, not with me.

Like the only time that I knew about these things was when they were already like talked about within the two companies and send in motion. So they were being booked by the bookers. Yeah, they were being booked by Ariel, who's like, you know, the head of TNAO, and then Sean, who's obviously Sean. And they just sort of just like, yeah, Sean Michael's. The Heartbreak Kid.

Oh, yeah, you're on the shirt. And I only was asked. I wasn't asked. I was basically told like, oh, you're going to go do this for this amount of dates. And I was just like, I mean, obviously I'm not going to say no. But it was so cool because you popped up then in NXT. Yes. And then that was like, that was like the big surprise, right?

That was when they actually, it was not leaked at all for who the surprise opponent was going to be. They had me come at like 7 p.m. and snuck me into a room and put like a do not enter sign on the door. It was, it was wild. Oh, man. Yeah, they kept the surprise really, really well. Roxanne didn't even know. What? That's pretty cool.

So she told, because she had been asking, I guess, like, who's going to be, who's going to be? And no one would tell her. and then they were going to tell her right before we went out. And she was just like, you know what? I don't even care anymore. Just like, let me have a natural reaction out there. And so she went out to the ring, did her promo, and then that was her natural reaction. There are so few legit surprises in wrestling anymore,

especially on the level where the talent doesn't know. Yeah. I mean, I'm happy to be one of them. And I'm happy that I was able to keep the secret myself because it's a hard secret to keep. Masha was just on NXT this last week. And honestly, like, keeping a secret. for your friend is actually maybe harder because you're like, oh, man, I'm so excited for this person. Like, well, the rumbles right around the corner now.

I know. Wouldn't it be so cool? I would, I would just love to see as many teen A knockouts in the Rumble as possible. Well, is Jordan Grace going to be in the Rumble? I don't know. I haven't told anything about it, but I was told the week before last time. Right. Who knows? Well, that's right around where we're at now. So your phone could be ringing during this interview. Who knows? I mean, it's on D&D, so hopefully I don't miss a call. We'll end this interview and you'll have 17 missed calls. Oh my God. Ah, geez, we got to go.

But what do you think 2025 looks like for you? Where are you going to be? What do you want to do? It's a crazy, like, crossroads for me right now because I honestly have no idea what's going to happen. Obviously, like, I feel like more people know. People think they know what I'm going to do more than I actually know what I'm going to do. And I think all doors are open. like my contract is, when it's going to air?

It's going to air the week before the Rumble. So like the 26th, somewhere around there? So if I say like my contract is up to 19th, that already had this. Your contract is already up, yes. Okay, so I mean, say my contract is. Sorry, this airs on the 28th. It is January 28th. Will people know that we're filming this before?

Of course, yeah. But it's January 28th today as people are listening and watching it. Okay. As people are watching this right now, my contract is already expired. And maybe, I don't know, you already actually know where I am. But as of right now, I have no idea. I could stay in TNA. I could go anywhere else.

Like, you know, you might see me in CMLL. I have no idea. Like, it just, it all depends. And there's a million different factors. I have six dogs. I don't want to leave home where I'm at right now. It's really hard to find a house anywhere for six dogs. I don't know if you knew that or not.

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knowing what was going to happen next or I was just scared that no one was going to want me. but I feel like now I'm more confident. I had an amazing 2024. And I think it's time. I've done so much in TNA. I've done pretty much all there is to do. And I feel like if there was ever a time to move forward, it'll be right now.

I think that people see the reaction you got at the Rumble, then the reaction you got on NXT, the matches you had in NXT. And I think fans are already kind of writing this story for you. Yes. I think they're writing the story for me too. And it's so awesome that even though I may go to WW or be in WW that I'm still going to have that TNA connection because they're partnered up, which I absolutely love. Well, there's always going to be those stories that can be told there.

Or, you know, like Trinity is a perfect example. Yeah, Trinity is a perfect example. I feel like with this partnership, I would love to see AJ come back. Like AJ Styles, that would be so awesome. I feel like maybe I could even come back at some point. And I really want to see a World's Collide pay-per-view. Like, that's what I hope this is going to all lead to. I hope this partnership leads to a World's Collide.

It's just... But which world am I going to be in? Ooh, I mean, you kind of could dip your toe in both worlds. I know, I'm a double agent. It's what an interesting and exciting time. I know. Anything could happen, right? Yeah.

Opportunities for everyone. There's so much going on, so much excitement, so many surprises that could have happened. It's just, it's crazy. When do you feel like you really started to level up? Good question. I feel like probably after I won the knockouts title for the second time. So I won the knockout title for the second time in 2022 in Queen of the Mountain Match.

And then after that, I think there weren't a lot of women around that time to kind of bear the flag. and I had a lot of, I had a lot of opportunities to show what I could do. And I feel like from then, I just kind of, it just kind of exploded for me. Like, 2020, was awesome. I was, I really thought in 20203, like, it can't get better than this. This is, like, the best year ever. And then 2024 happened. So, knock on the way.

Hopefully 2025 is the same way. Is the Rumble the biggest crowd you've ever performed in front of? Yes. Before that, it was the first ever all in. And I can't remember exactly what that was. But I want to say, it was like, 13,000. Yes, I think so.

I think 13,000. So the rumble was definitely the biggest one. How did, and I were jumping all over the place with time here, but how did you being part of the first all in not turn into something else with maybe Ring of Honor, where John was? I honestly think it was just, I think was just timing. Like, almost immediately after that happened, Scott messaged me on Twitter.

Scott DeMorre messaged me on Twitter and basically offer me a conversation. contract. And I just signed there pretty much immediately. So I didn't even get a chance to talk to Ravon or anybody. I just felt like with the momentum that was building there. And AEW was announced a few months after that, that there were perhaps a few opportunities for you there. Yeah, I just, I don't, I think I'd never got to have those conversations just because I just immediately was just like, yeah, I'll go to TNA. Let's do it. Well, you're one of the. It worked out. Absolutely. And you're also one of the many people who believed in Scott DeMore. Yeah, he was, he was awesome.

He was during my time there, and when he was there, he was the best to me. And then he left. Yes. And then, and then he left. Not willingly, but he did leave. And I think it was just like, it was as a shock to everyone. But the good thing is, I think everything's going to work out. I feel like Scott's going to land somewhere and he's going to help a company very, very much.

Okay. I don't, I mean, I don't know it 100%, but I just have a feeling. Do you think if Scott was still in TNA, you might still be in TNA? Well, when he left, I was very emotional when he left, like a lot of other people, because it was just so out of the blue. We found out on a Zoom call. It was just like, it was very corporate, I feel like, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But at the time, I was just like, you know what? I only really signed here because I had faith in Scott that he was going to do good things for me and good things for the company.

He's the one that kind of set in motion the whole rebirth of T&A. And I told them I wanted my contract to be like cut, basically. So it was supposed to be until October of this year. And I was like, I want to get out in January of this year. And I mean, kudos to them. They heard me and they let me. So I'm very lucky for that. But I think probably I'd still be here.

Or I still be at TNA. But it's amazing that they allowed you to do whatever you wanted to do then. It's amazing. And I also think it's a testament to like them as a company hearing a talent say, I'm not happy. I want this. So I just feel lucky in that regard. So if 2024 was as big as it was for you,

how could this year possibly top that? I don't know. Anything could happen right. I mean, who knows? If I could be a part of the World's Collide Paperview, that would be awesome. That would definitely make my year. The World's Collide Paperview that you just created a few minutes ago? That one?

I didn't create it. I feel like it's been in everybody's head. Sean has actually mentioned it before. I asked Sean about it. And he was like, oh, I'd love that. So, you know, it's not off the table. That'd be amazing. It would be amazing.

Did you have to talk to Scott Steiner to get a siren of the start of your entrance theme? No, I didn't ask permission. But it's not the exact same siren. So I think I kind of got away with it for that. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't ask permission. And you don't yell if you hear me. No, I don't say that. But I did wear the chain mail one time when I did the triple.

I did a triple fat match with him, PD, and me, and I wore the chain mail. Yeah, I mean, like when you look at the way that Scott was presented, you look at the way that you're presented, there's a lot of similarities. Yeah, I mean, I wish I had my, as big muscles as he did in his prime. Like, his were crazy. Could you imagine? I can't imagine.

He did the freaks in the peaks. That would be really cool. And people are always asking me to cut the, you know, the Steiner Math promo. Yeah. I'm like, it cannot be recreated by anyone in history. Like, I can't do it. I don't even think that he knows all the words of that promo.

No, there's no way. Like, he just did it and it's never going to be redone the way he did it. So people are always like linking you. two guys up, like you and Scott Steiner? Yeah, he was, he was one of my, one of my favorites in TNA, like he just, and he would just say the craziest things, and he was, he was just like a typical gym bro. And I loved that about him. He was super jagged.

He'd say the craziest stuff. And he just went out there and he kicked people's asses and I wanted to be the same way. Everyone talks about the Scott Steiner math promo. Yeah. There's so many other underrated Scott Steiner promos. There's so many other underrated ones, but I think that one was just so off the walls. like bizarre and people, it just like made people, like even random people who don't even watch wrestling.

No about that promo. Third, three to third. The other one that always pops up is he's fat. Oh, I love him. He's the best. He flies out of the Atlanta airport, too. Oh, so I pass him sometimes. What was it like when you met him the first time?

When I met him the first time, I mean, it was just like he, I don't think he knew who I was, to be honest. He's very low key. He's super low key. I don't think he does the internet like that at all. So, I mean, he's just like kind of someone's cute old grandpa now. He got the grandpa glasses going on. He does.

Always wearing a baseball cap. He's so low key when you meet him. He's just like, oh, hey. Yeah. And he just, he's a super chill guy. I've been trying to get him on the show for like five years. Good luck. And he's just like, yeah, I'm good.

What do you mean? Please. He's like, I don't need to do that. He doesn't. need to do that. It's like I've told stories about the math promo enough times. He knows. He knows everybody already knows him. But the siren is a at the start of your entrance theme. That's the decision, right?

It is a decision. And I don't know what led me to make that decision, to be honest. Honestly, I think when I had like the guy who made the music, he just kind of had this idea for the music and he knew that I like Scott Steiner and I think that's kind of where it came from. But it's work since then. I love it. If someone's never seen a Jordan Grace match, what do you think they need to start with? Who's the opponent?

What's the match? Okay. I would say, bound for glory, 2022, me versus Moshislavich for the TNA and Knockout's World Title. Like that was up until, like,

recently that was the best night I've ever had. I loved that match. We beat the shit out of each other. And honestly, we've done it a few times since then. and have topped that match, I think. But that was the match where I feel like I probably felt like I reached my peak at that point. So you said up until recently, what's the new match then?

Me and Mosh have wrestled a few times since then. We had another match at this past battle where she won the knockouts title. I think we did a great job. And then we also had a two out of three falls match, which I actually liked more. And I want to say that was in November. And I loved that match too. We had Deanna Parraza on the show a few months ago. And she said, she was talking about how great.

I miss wrestling her. She was talking about how great your 30-minute Iron Woman match was. That was in 2020. Yes. In front of nobody. Yeah, in front of nobody. That was an awesome match. I just, I don't think I had gone through my transformation yet.

So that's why I would say, I don't think people should start with that match. But if they want to go back and dive into the history of Jordan Grace, like, I would start there. So they can kind of see how I transformed over the years. She said nobody hits harder than you. Yeah. She told me that, uh, she. She told me this recently. I'm going to say within the past year.

That that night she, like, went back to her to her and she started crying to Steve because I hit her so hard. Which spot is it? I don't know. I mean, I honestly have no idea. Like, she was hitting me hard, too. So I feel like I was hitting her back the same way. Who hits, who's hit you the hardest? Masha has knocked me out before, like, legit.

Like, she's hit me with a back fist and she's knocked me out. So definitely her. But you woke up right away? Yes. Oh, and you know, something else. about Masha is for the longest time. Thank God that she finally listened to me. She didn't wear kick pads.

And I don't know if you've seen her wrestle. She throws kicks constantly. So anytime she would kick me, it wouldn't make a great sound because when you kick someone in real life, like it doesn't really make a sound, but it hurts so bad. So in wrestling,

you want the strikes to make a sound and it's okay if they're like stiff, but you don't want them to hurt. So every time that bony, like, front of her leg would hit me in the chest or hit me in the face, like it'd be so painful and people didn't know how painful it was because there was no sound. What about when you wrestled, like you wrestled bully Ray and TNI? Yes, yeah.

Does he hit hard? No, he does not hit hard at all. But also if he doesn't, he doesn't like, he didn't do any strikes to me. He just did slams. So he didn't slam me super hard. He actually complained about how I hit him. Come on. He was complaining to me about how I hit him.

Come on. I know. That's what I said. I was like, come on, get out of here. You beat bully. I did beat bully, which was. Wild. That probably like was one of, what was that, 2023? Yeah, that was 2023. That was that why I say that that year was so awesome. That one of that, that was one of the moments that made that year so cool was that I got to win, be the first ever knockout to win the Cardiff shot Gala. And I also got to beat Balearie on top of it. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, that's pretty cool. What was the conversations with him about that match and like making, making you look strong in it? So his main issue during that match was that I wouldn't be able to hit my finisher on him.

He was so concerned about me being able to do my finisher. But luckily, I think it was that maybe the year before, I wrestled someone Maxi and Paler. And she's also very big. I want to say like she's not as big as bully is, but she's way taller than me and she's much bigger than I am. And I showed him a video of me hitting the finisher on her. And he was like, okay.

And then this is so, it's, there's so much, there's so many layers to it. Literally, like, right before we're about to go out, Tommy Dreamer found out that I was going to do my finish on Bubba. He was like, Bubba, don't do it. Like, there's no way, like, because Bubba was the big chain. He was like, man, you're going to, it's going to hurt so bad. Like, take off the chain. He was freaking out.

And I was like, just, it's going to be fine. Like, let me do this. And so we did it. But does it get in your head now? You're in the match and you're like, everybody's thinking I shouldn't do this. Fuck, no. Like, I knew 100% that I. I could do it.

And it also, it fueled me to do it better, to be honest. Because I was like, man, I cannot believe they're doubting me. After all, for everything I've done, like, they're going to doubt me for this. And so I hit it and I went to the back and Tommy was like, I was wrong. And I was like, what about when you wrestled Mac Cardona? Oh, man. So I was his first ever intergender singles match. And it was awesome.

I literally used to sign my high school yearbook, take care, spike your hair. That's great. How lame was that? But like, it was, it was a dream scenario, by the way. Yeah. You got to get him a little more. Yeah, well, that was like 2001 version of me. The headband too.

Oh, yeah, the headband. But that was, it was awesome. He was, we have such amazing chemistry together. Honestly, like, we, we really, we beat the shit out of each other, too. We did a, the first ever digital media, digital media match. And we used keyboards. We used, like, mount, like the mouses. I think I used a DVD player at one point.

Like, we were just, we were going all in. Oh, and we did, you know, the thumbtack thing they usually do with a dump all the thumbtacks out. We did that what we do with cell phones. I went on eBay and I spent, I spent $300 and I bought a bulk case of old cell phones. Like Nokia's, like the razors, all those. I don't know why people, I don't know why they had them, but they bought it. I bought them and then we used them in that match. How many were in that bulk purchase?

I think it was like 200. 200 of them? Yeah, we ended up selling some of them. We, like, signed them and sold them. $200 for $300? Yeah, it was a great deal. That seems amazing. I feel like I should go buy some of these just to have them.

I have some, you can have. Oh, please. I still have some, like, memorabilia. That's, like, crazy nostalgic. It was awesome. Everybody remembers their first Nokia phone. Yeah. And, like, it's like the flip raisers.

Oh, razors, yeah. The blueberries, the blackberries, yeah. But there was a blueberry, right? I don't think so. There was like an off, there was like an off brand of the blackberry. Really? Really? I feel like I need to, we have all the world's information in our pocket.

I need to look this up. A blueberry phone? I swear to God. Let's see. And everyone listens to say, of course there was a blueberry phone. Let's see. I don't know. I think we're just getting a lot of a blueberry touchscreen phone.

Looks like it's just blackberries. Really? Oh, no, here we are. There it is. It's a blueberry. I told you. People who lived in poverty know about the blueberry. The blueberry.

So you're slamming people on blueberries and blackberries. I did not know that was a thing. That doesn't even seem real. Chris didn't grow up in poverty. I didn't have a cell phone for a long time. Chris, can you pronounce your last name for me? Van Fleet. Okay.

This is what I recently learned. Uh-oh. Was that for the past five years, I've been pronouncing your name incorrectly and no one has corrected me? I've been pronounced, and I have it also spelled in my phone wrong. I have it, I pronounced it, uh, Chris Van Vallette. That's not the worst I've heard. And that's how it's spelled in my name.

I mean, my phone. That's fine. I mean, I'llet. I've heard a lot of different versions of it. Who finally corrected you? Um, and who was it? I want to say, I want to say ironically, it was, it was Moose who corrected me. Oh, and he's like, it's actually Van Fleet.

Yeah. He's like, who? I've heard Growing up People are like Oh it's Van Vliette Van Vlaille. I remember on the announcements

in elementary school I had a really good basketball game in sixth grade and they congratulated Chris Van Violet. I was like, come on. I should know this struggle because people will mispronounce

my first name all the time like Jordian no my wrestling name because I have spelled it so strangely. Yeah, why did you spell it? I don't know. Chris,

I have no idea. I was literally 12 years old, like, I made this name as when I was doing e-fetting. Do you know what E-Fedding? Yeah, I made this name when I was doing E-Fedding. And it's so, it's so funny, actually, because I hated this name for the longest time when I was wrestling. And I was like, it's okay, though, because eventually, like, if I go to W.W.E., they'll change my name. So this is just a placeholder for now.

Yeah, and then. The ironic thing is we will not change your name now. Ironically, I'm not getting my name changed. No, which is great. Look what you built here. So it's just funny how that worked out. So if you listen to the audio version of any of my podcasts, I say my name at the start of every episode,

every episode. And we're at episode 700 and something now. I skip the entrance. Which is totally fine. I get it. They also sing it in my podcast theme. Van Fleet. Downstate does my entrance theme.

You know the same band that does Cody's theme. Yeah. Well, I know now. So I'll pronounce it. It's inside with Chris Van Fleet. I was like they're pronouncing it wrong, not me. Yeah, yeah, you guys got it wrong. Look, every time they mentioned me on Busted Open, they say my name wrong.

I feel like that's just a gimmick. They pronounce it like it's filet. Yes, like I'm a filet mignon, which is fine. Maybe I am the finest of the stakes. I don't know. The finest of the podcasts, podcasters. Perhaps you said it not me. But thank you for correcting that after six years or whatever.

Of course, yeah, of course. I had to let you know, too. Thank you. Thank you for being honest about it. At least I was saying your name. I thought it was a funny scenario. It is. So we've figured that out now.

That is. Yes, we're good to go. I think I've known you now for six years, six or seven years. I got you. That's okay. I'm going to fix it on my phone too. You don't have to. So it's spelled wrong too.

Spelled V-I-L-E-T. Oh, okay. A lot of people are like, you're from Canada. It must be French. I don't know. I don't know what's wrong with me. That's okay. People will say your name.

name wrong? Yeah, it could spell J-O-R-D-Y-N-N-E. So a lot of people say Jordan. Jordan. J-D-N. Yep.

That one doesn't even make sense. Some people say Jordian, which is... It's funny. Actually, at a T-N-A event, there was a guest announcer, and they pronounced my name Jordy Ann Grace.

They announced you wrong? Oh. Oh, that's... I think I had the knockout title at the time, so I was just like, you know what? Whatever, it's wild. Did you crush a watermelon with your thighs? I did not do that.

I haven't done it yet. I have many requests for it, though. I bet you get wild requests. I don't think I could do it. I don't think I could do it. Watermelons are really hard to crush and you got to practice. I feel like I could do it if I practice it a bunch of times and then I could do it on camera. Bobby Lashley crushed a watermelon, like squeezed a watermelon, like bear hug.

He's a freak of nature. He is. There's a big difference between me and him. Like, he's insane. He said that he hadn't practiced, like his, like his, like, like nephew or godson was like, I bet you can do this. It's a trend on TikTok.

And he's like, well, I guess I'll try. I can just squeezed it. Must be nice to be that confident. And that jack too. Yeah, I would be like,

I'm not even going to try. I don't want to embarrass myself. So are you saying these are just pretty muscles then? They're not like, you're not super strong. We call them in bodybuilding popcorn muscles. Like, they're there for show.

No, I feel like, I definitely like, I have a lot of strength to me, but I'm not as strong as I was when I was doing powerlifting. What were your personal bests? Like for deadlift, like, uh, 505. Oh, okay.

Like, ended up being that. Okay. Bench was, I want to say it was like $2.75 for bench. Um, and then for squat, it was like close to $500. Oh, my gosh. And I cannot do anything close to that now. And I don't even want to try. So you're lifting lighter now?

I'm lifting much lighter. I'm just getting like a pump and I just want to, I want to feel the burn, essentially. Like, you don't feel the burn when you're powerlifting. You just feel your back giving out. And you feel those 10 minute breaks in between sets. You feel your elbow is about to explode. If a power lifter's on the squat rack, you're like, well, I guess I'm not doing that time. Oh, yeah.

It's just like they're just eating a full of meal, like in between sets. 100%. If you live in Atlanta, have you done one of those workouts with DDP yet? No, I haven't. One of his, like, people who work for him reached out to me about it, but I just haven't done it yet.

He's a good friend of mine. I've done his gauntlet a few times. I'd love to do it. It sounds awesome. I did cold plunging for the first time, like recently in the past few months, and it sucked so bad. That's the point.

I don't know how people do that. I do it every day. Oh my God. You did it today? Yeah, I did this morning. Oh, my God. I don't know how y'all do this. It's the best because when you come out of that, you're like,

I really want to start doing it every day. It's just, it's, it's going to be difficult. You might like his power cuff workouts. Oh, yeah, I've heard about this. Like super lightweight. Yeah. Pump is way more intense. Yeah, I definitely love to try it.

Like you're doing like insanely low weight, like 10 pound bicep curl, but like 20 reps. Oh, that's good. But like it's blood restricted flow, like so the blood's just going to that one area. Yeah, that sounds good. And no pressure on your joints. I mean, I definitely love to do it. I just have to. to get with him. He only lives about 30 minutes away from me, like his whole, his whole thing.

Yeah, he's like just north of the city there. Oh, then you guys need to make this. I'll connect you guys. I'd love to see this happen. Let's do it. The whole gauntlet, I don't know, it's not just cold plunge. It's cold plunge that he puts you on a bike with an oxygen mask on and he depletes your oxygen and then it gives you full oxygen. Jesus. And then it gets you on the mat and you're doing DDPY. Yeah, I do like, I've done that a few times. I do like that. That's a hell of a stretch. Yes. Then it's the Power Cuff workout. I think I had, there was an app, right? Yes. DDPY app.

So I had subscribed to that for a few months when I did it. One of my favorite things that you do is the stalling vertical suplex. Mm-hmm. With the flex. Yeah. That's one of my favorite things I do too. I think it looks awesome. I think I did that actually at the Rumble.

Yes. So that's funny. I was just like, I got to get this in here. But yeah. How did you think of it? What did I think about it? How'd you think of, like, how'd you come up with it? I think I saw someone else do it.

I saw someone else do it. stole it. Yeah. Well, that's the thing, right? In wrestling, it's not stealing. It's drolling inspiration. What is it? Great Artist steal?

What's the whole quote? I forget. I definitely drew some inspiration from that. It was a, it was a long time ago I saw this. It was an indie wrestler who did it. And I was just like, that's crazy. I'm doing it. Is there a certain, like,

are there certain people you know you can't do it with? There's a lot of people I know I can't do it with. I only do it like with girls. I know can balance. Oh, because that's part of it. Them posting up. Yes, 100%. Because if they're like, you know,

swaying back and forth, I can't hold them up real long and definitely not long enough to flex. But what a statement it makes. Yes, I agree. Like, not only can I get this person up. But this is so easy. Yep.

I'm going to flex while doing it. That's what it is. That's what's all about. Oh, I love it. I love it. What's next for John? Good question. I don't think that either of us know, actually.

His contract was up. What's it? What day is it? Oh, his contract was up yesterday. Actually, so I just think he has a few conversations to have. And probably by the time this interview comes out, everybody will know what's going on with him too. Who do you think is objectively in better shape? You or your husband.

Oh, 100% of him. He does jihitsu, like, multiple times a week. I don't know if you've seen him wrestle, but he wrestles. much faster and better than I do. So it's just like, it's insane how amazing he is. But he can do pretty much anything. He's also a lot more flexible than I am because he takes the time to stretch. And I don't do that.

I'm so impressed by his like traps just go right. Like he has no neck. It's so impressive. He has no neck. That's why like if you ever see him take a German suplex, like he'll never hurt himself. It's just. You can't break what's not there. His delts just go right into his traps.

And his traps go like into his ears. I don't know. I don't know how he did it. I'm trying to get like him. I mean, you're pretty damn close. Look at the size of these traps, ladies and gentlemen. That's why I wore this shirt right here. I had to show them off.

Look, my God. That's crazy. That's, do you have any shirts that have sleeves? Um, yes. I actually specifically cut the sleeves off of this one for this interview, though. Wow. Yeah, I thought you were going to wear a sleevel shirt, too. Nobody wants to.

I thought we were going to arm wrestle. It was going to be a whole thing. I don't want to. Everybody knows how that's going to go. No. I've had a permanent farmer's tan for like 10 years. Really? Oh, it's,

see? That's not too bad. It's not bad because it's January, but it's... In the summer? Yeah, you do live in L.A. It's not good. I don't like to go outside very much, so I'll never have a tan, probably. I don't do, like, any time you see me, any kind of tan, it's fake because, like, I have a history of

skin crants for my family. So I'll never do the tanning beds. I don't like to spend like a ton of time in the sun just because I'm weary. I think we should all be that way. So if people ever comment and say like my spray tan is bad, I'd be like, well, I'd rather have a bad spray tan than skin cancer. It's always funny like hugging someone backstage at a show and all your smell is like spray tan. Yes, spray tan or what's that?

What's the stuff called? The heat stuff, the hot stuff. Hot stuff. I literally think it's called hot stuff. What do you know what that is? Like icy, cool? No. It's stuff you put on your muscle and it makes you red and it's supposed to like give you a pump.

Oh. And the problem with wrestling people who use this stuff is that when it gets in your eyes because they sweat it off, it burns your eyes. So I've wrestled someone before and I've actually had to take my contacts out like midmatch because when it gets in your contacts, like, the contacts is garbage, first of all. And it just will like stay there. How bad is your vision though? Oh, I'm very close to being legally blind. LASIC was the best thing I ever did. Oh, I'm scared.

I'm scared of LASIC. I understand, and that makes sense. A laser close to your, like, in your eye. In your eye, yes. But I went to this place in Miami where the Rock had his LASIC done. And like on the wall, they have all the people they've done it to. And it was like Ryan Tannenhill, who was the quarterback for the Dolphins, and like the big show had it done there.

And Rock had it done there like 20, something years ago. I'd rather be legally blind than actually blind. Fair enough. And if there's any chance that I could be actually blind, like, I'm just going to say no. But now I can see everything. I have better than 2020 vision. I can see everything too.

And I have contacts. Yeah, I just put a little piece of plastic in my eye every day. Yeah. I love it, though. But I also love the way I look with glasses on. Well, you can wear glasses. The only thing I think about sometimes when I'm in a certain, like, altered state is, I'm like, I've...

What kind of state might that be? Is I think, like, I'm never going to see the world on my own. I'm always going to be looking through something to see the world. That's deep. Wow. And in a zombie apocalypse, I should just give up immediately. That is deep. Because you're always seeing the world through a lens.

Yep, that's what I'm saying. So I don't, maybe I'm not even actually seeing what I'm seeing. Man, I think Now we're going down a real... I know, let's... I think about that all the time. Let's go back to wrestling. You know that thing of like,

what if the way that I see green is actually like your blue or... Exactly. And that's what you got to think about. So what if you're LASIC actually like makes you see things differently? Did you imagine? I don't know.

I can see everything now. It's the best. And my prescription wasn't that bad. I was like a minus two and a half. Okay. That's not bad. But I got up... The surgery was like, not even surgery, but surgery in quotations.

It was like seven minutes or something, like from the time you walked into the room to the time you left. And then I wouldn't trust it. I'd be like, that was too fast. Like six seconds on one eye, like eight seconds on the eye. Bring me back in. You all did something wrong. But I sat up and he's like, look at the clock and it was like across the room. And he's like, tell me what time it is.

And I'm like, what? That's wild. I can see it. Technology is crazy. It is a crazy wild. thing. Do you think about what your goals are in wrestling? I just think my... You've done a lot.

Yeah, I just think I've honestly done, I've done so much more than I ever thought I was going to do. And now I just want to be able to wrestle as long as possible and not have to have a real job ever again. Like, I don't ever want to have to work like a nine to five or drive a bus. Like, I just want to be a wrestler for as long as possible. and just do wrestling, be involved in wrestling in some kind of way and make a living from it as long as possible. That's my goal. What was the last job that you had? I was, I've had a lot of jobs, but I was like a legal, like a court transcriptionist, like a court reporter.

But I would do it, I would do it virtually. So I want to say I did it until, sorry, 2021. You must have heard some crazy cases. It wasn't saying I would do, I would type like family court cases. there was a bunch of criminal cases that I would type. And you had to actually sign like an NDA before you take jobs like this, obviously, because you can Google, like, the cases I would type,

and they were in the news. Oh. And it was just, it was wild. It's like crazy murder stuff. Like, the family court cases were actually one of my favorite to type because it's so petty. It's almost like... It was like Jerry Springer.

Like, there was one. And I also, the cases I typed right of the DC area, and it's a very, like, affluent area. And it was amazing. Like, I remember this guy, he was like a billionaire. And he ended up having to pay his wife alimony of like, I want to say it was like $100,000 a month.

And she kept going back and saying like it wasn't enough. Not enough. And it was so good. I loved it. So you were a quartz stenographer. Yeah, yeah. How do you, are there shortcuts on the keyboard? Like, how do you keep up?

No, there's no shortcuts. You just have to be a super fast typer. And I had a foot pedal. So you start and stop the audio and you can rewind the audio. Oh, so you're not doing it live? No. They send you, I guess maybe it's just cheaper to like just send it off to someone. But it was better for me that way because when I actually traveled everywhere, I would take it. I would take it on the plane. I took it to Japan and I did in Japan.

Like it was, it was a great job for what it was. So how fast can you type? When I did it, I haven't typed like that in a very long time. You're typing with your thumbs now. I could almost type like 150 words a minute. Oh my gosh. It was pretty good. Yeah.

That's like the speed at which people talk, isn't it? Yeah, I think so. So I was just like, I would go. Because you see the people in court that are the stenographers. And they're like, almost like there's phrases or something. Yeah, there was no, nothing like that. I want to say the only thing that you would have the shortcuts for were for the names of the people. Okay.

Yeah. So you would just type in, you know, the lawyer's name and then the witness and stuff like that. So you've been wrestling full time now for four years, right? That was 2021. Yep. That's great. Yeah. The interesting thing about setting goals is,

once you achieve them, now you have to send new goals. Yeah, I just, I don't, I don't know what my, my big goal would be because I'm also kind of afraid that if I said it and I don't achieve it,

I'm going to be very upset. So I just kind of like, I kind of like to leave it open. Like, I just want to rest as long as possible. I also think that when you say it, okay, what do you think my goal should be? Give me a goal. I feel like you should do it.

So look, what I was saying was I think when you put a goal out into the world, you're number one, speaking it out into the universe, right? Now the universe has a way to like, if you want to get into,

that woo-woo stuff. The universe has a way of going, oh, that's what you want. All right, we can work towards that. It also holds you accountable to that. So people will go, hey, remember that thing you said on Chris's show? That was your goal. Like, and I believe in you and I want you to accomplish this. I bet when you started, it was just like, I want to wrestle a match. Yes. And then it probably went to, I want to win a title somewhere. Okay. Then it probably went to, I want to wrestle on TV. Now I want to win a title on TV. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Right. So it just keeps growing and building. and building. I want a headline a pay-per-view one day. Oh my gosh, I did that. I just feel like things have happened for me that I didn't even know that I wanted to happen.

Like, I never would have even thought to have it be a goal to be a T&A knockout, the TNA knockout the TNockos champion wrestling at the Royal Rumble. Like, so I kind of feel like I've gone this far without setting a specific goal. And if I want more crazy things to happen, I don't want a specific goal. Was the goal when you were a kid and this was just a dream? Was the goal to be in WWA? It was just to be a wrestler in general. Like, I just wanted to wrestle. I think, yeah, when I was a kid, but I also wanted to be a diva.

I wanted to like... That's the era you were watching. Yes, the era I was watching. So I wanted to be like one of the models. I wanted to be like one of the model wrestlers. And I think since then, obviously, like, things have changed so much. I started watching TNA. I want to say like a few years before I actually started wrestling

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What TNA has done for women's wrestling, I don't think it can really be measured. Like I think people always go, man, the knocked out's division is so good. Yeah, absolutely. And it has been for a long time. for a very long time. They put a huge focus on women's wrestling there. It can't be understated. It really can't be.

I think that's also probably one of the reasons why I just immediately was like, yeah, I'm going to go to TNA. It was because I just knew that out of all the companies, like, even in 2018, like, TNA was pushing their women to the forefront. Especially in 2018. With what WWE was doing with women's wrestling at that time, there wasn't, I mean, they were getting like two-minute matches. Yeah.

And now look at it. it. Like, it's so much, but like, I feel like NXT is, is almost, it's, it's about the women. Like, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, yeah, yeah, Stephanie, like, they've just such amazing woman there. Yeah, and it's, I mean, now women are main eventing WrestleMania. Women have their own Royal Rumble. Yeah. And there's 40 participants, I think, this year, right? Is that right? I think, I think that's correct. I don't

I don't know. We have all the world's information in our pocket. I thought it was just 30 again. Look, there's a lot of misinformation on the internet. I don't know why I said the internet. There is a lot of misinformation. And I also see the fake accounts, always tweeting the fake, like wrestling reports. Sometimes they get me, man.

Sometimes they get me. It's hard. And then I go to the account and it says, oh, something parody. And I'm like, unless it's K-Fabe news, which always has hilarious stuff. I'm like, ah, they got me. I think you're right. I think it's just 30. I think they learned their lesson from the greatest royal rumble.

Okay, you're right. I think it's just 30. It was a fake, it was a fake report. And for you to be one of those. Fold again. For you to be one of those 30. I don't know. Knock on wood.

There's a lot of wood here. Speak it into existence. I think we just did. I mean, I'll speak it into existence for you. Okay, I appreciate that. Maybe one day you work at WrestleMania. Maybe one day. That's a pretty big goal.

That's a pretty big goal. I want my mom to be there. Like, I feel like my mom is there for all my big moments in wrestling. She was there for the Rumble. She drove from Texas to Florida for that. Wow. I know. So cool.

That's pretty cool. I'm very lucky. Yeah. That's always so cool when you can do something that means so much to you. And then also you can tell that it means so much to your loved ones. She texted me the other day just randomly. And she was like, you're the only person I've ever known who is doing what they dreamed as doing as a kid.

And I was like, oh, my God, stop. She's awesome. And the amazing thing about that is, when you set a lofty goal when you're a kid of, I'm going to be a pro wrestler, everyone goes, okay. It's like, what are you really going to do? And, you know, we're sitting here in Hollywood right now

as you record this. This is a town of dreamers and doers. There's a heck of a lot more dreamers than there are doers here. A lot of people move here with the idea of, I'm going to be an actor, model, whatever it happens to be. And then it just never ends up painting out. You set a goal and you did everything to achieve that goal.

Yeah, I just, I think it's, it's not just hard work because I feel like a lot of people put in the hard work and sometimes it doesn't work for those people. I think it's also just, it's a little bit of luck. It's like just rapport with people. I think there's a lot more to it than hard work. But I do feel very blessed and lucky that I've met people a long way of help me achieve this dream. I think it's also seeing an opportunity and capitalizing on it.

Yes, 100%. You have to make the most of every single opportunity you have. No matter how big or small, you see it, like, you don't know who's watching you. Right. And maybe it just looks like, you know, a tiny little thing. But you're like, but if I do that, it could turn into this, that turns into this, that turns into this. And I had no idea, like, even in 2018 at that, in that battle royal when I was the only woman in there. That was a big opportunity.

But there was only a few spots that I had to, like, make the most of. And I feel like I did that. And I had no idea Scott was watching. So I just feel, I feel very blessed. I've been able to make the most of every single opportunity that I've ever had. And you just keep doing it. I'm going to try to, I'm trying to try to keep doing it for the rest of my career. And also, it's, it's ironic that you were saying you didn't have a look before.

Like, you were just a girl that wrestled. Now, as soon as your music hits and as soon as someone sees you, they go, oh, man. I've never. I mean business. Yes. And they can tell that from the same. second that you come out. And that's what I always wanted to be.

And you are. It's crazy. It's crazy. You had a heck of you your last year. I can just tell that 2025 is going to be bigger for you. I hope so crazy. I hope it's big for you too. I think it's going to be big.

Thank you. I don't know how I could talk to your eye last year. You interviewed Batista. And I marked out so hard when I saw that. I was like, oh my God, I'm so jealous. I was like, maybe I should be a podcaster. so that I could talk to Batista. He's the best.

I've interviewed him a few times, but that one in particular. I haven't even met him before. I want to mean him so bad. He's the sweetest, nicest, man. That's so cool. It was so funny. We sat down for the interview,

and he'd had a whole day of press that day for his movie The Killers Game. It's the one that Drew McIntyre said. Yeah. So I sat down, we were talking, we did an interview for whatever was 40 minutes, and he's like, do you mind if I eat something before we,

before we do this interview? Because he'd had a whole morning of just, him just asking. Oh my God. Do you mind if I eat something? I'm like, dude, of course. Like, whatever you want to do. He's like, oh, thank you so much. And someone came in with like a bunch of bananas. And he's like, oh, do you want one? I feel bad just eating a banana in front of you. Do you want one? I'm like, yeah, I mean, sure, I'm not going to say no to a banana from Dave Batista. And y'all weren't recording it? Actually, I think you've recorded that, right? Yeah, Zeus recorded that. Why hasn't this been released to the general public? Well, it is now. Here you go.

We're sitting there eating bananas, just, you know, talking about like, hey, how you been, like, catching up? And then we finish our bananas and we, like, someone, like, grabbed our trash. That's incredible content. I don't know why this hasn't been posted somewhere. Well, we just made a clip out of it right now because of you. So thank you, Jordan. And then we started the conversation. And there was definitely a part of me who's eating a banana with Dave Battista going, man, if the, like, 17-year-old version of me could see this.

They wouldn't believe it. Bananas with Batista. But yeah, it was a wild year for me as well. Somehow this year will be better. Yeah, it'll be better. It'll be awesome. You're going to knock it out of the park. Oh, my God.

Please, I want to be speaking into existence. I don't want to say it myself. I just love that you want it all. Yeah, I definitely want it all. I want to take this as far as it can go. I'm excited for you. I want to make everyone proud. I want to show the world that the TNA can create.

some amazing stuff. You're doing it. Yeah. I mean, when people think about TNA now, you're one of the names that immediately pops into their head. And I feel like, obviously there's like the TNA OG OGs, which is like, you know,

Gail Kim, awesome, Kong. But I feel like a TNA OG in the sense, like, in the sense that they, they created me. Like, I was, I was nothing before TNA. And now I am how I am. So it's just really, it's really awesome to feel like that. So this is going to be a tough one. But give me your TNA Mount Rushmore.

of Do you want to do men and knockouts? I feel like you have to. Okay. I feel like it's very difficult. Fair enough. Yeah. Well, just say AJ Styles because of course he's going to be on there.

Yes, it's just like AJ Styles. I want to say Samoa, Joe. It's so tough. I really want to say, I really want to say Amazing Redd because I feel like he was such, just like, I feel like he's such, he's so underrated. He was such an amazing, like, innovator at the time. He represented, like, guys, like, you did. didn't normally see being represented.

Yeah, early TNA days. He was doing stuff that people had never seen before. Yes, exactly. Okay, just one spot left. I know. Oh, this is so difficult. Oh, I'm thinking in the past, though, like, I should really be, I should be, like, adding someone from the present.

God. This is hard. It is hard. This is too difficult. You know what? I'm going to go crazy, and I know that there's going to be so many people I don't agree with this, but he has brought. so much attention to TNA lately that I'm going to say Joe Henry.

Mm. Yeah. I'm going to say Joe Henry. I know he hasn't been in there for a long time, but I feel like he has just, like, he's exploded and he's represented TNA so well in like everything he's done. And what's great about Joe Henry is it has gone outside of wrestling. Exactly, yeah. I feel like people who have never seen wrestling before, like they know Joe Henry.

And they know Tene because of Joe Hens. And they know the song. Yeah. People are going to be really mad at this Mount Rushmore. I feel it in my heart. I'm sorry, guys. But when you see a Joe Henry sign in the NHL playoffs. Exactly.

Or who was the NFL player that was saying at a training camp? Yeah. And I can't remember who it was. But yeah, I just feel like, you know who else is going to be mad at me for saying this? Moose. A lot of wrestlers. Moose is going to be like, what the hell? All right.

Now, how about knockouts? Knockouts, I feel like is a little bit easier. I feel like Gil Kim. obviously. Awesome Kong, of course. I'm going to offend someone. I just feel like I am. I really want to say Mickey,

but I also feel like she has so much WWE in her. I can understand that argument. It's almost mixed a little bit. Can I count the beautiful people as like just one? Yeah, okay, sure. You make the rules. I can't the beautiful people as one.

And just because I loved how she wrestled, and I think that she also is someone who doesn't get enough name recognition is a motto. At the, like, I saw her wrestle a match, and I've never seen a woman at the time do the things that she was doing. Well, a lot of your friends are going to text you after they hear this episode and go,

what the hell, Jordan? I know. I'm sorry. I know people are going to be in the comments like, she fucking picked Joe Henry over whoever. Yeah, well. How did you not have Kurt Angle on there? Oh my God. Oh, stop.

How did you not have Christian Cage on there? Look, it's hard guys, okay? They're going to be mad. I had to pick someone from modern list. It's your own personal list. It can be whoever you want it to be. But so good to see you. So good to see you.

Congrats on everything. Congrats on everything. Oh, thank you. Got two of them now. I don't know how you're doing it. I don't either. Rest in peace. My wife is Superwoman.

That's how we're doing it. She's the best. Yeah. I will end this with the question that I ask at the end of every interview. We haven't done this actually with you. This is going to be great. I'm fucking scared. Gratitude is such a big part of my life.

So I end every interview with that. So what are three things in your life that you're grateful for right now? Oh, man. This is a good one. My family, my mom, my husband, my six dogs, my two cats. Six dogs. Six dogs. What are their names?

Oh my God. Barry, Bernie, Bert, Booby, Blue, and Piper. Poor Piper. She was a foster. So Piper already had a name? Piper already had a name. And I don't believe in changing names. I feel like that's weird.

Sure enough. Yeah. They're used to... It's like adopting a kid. They're used to answering to Piper. Boobie? Like Boobie Miles? Friday Night Lights?

No, I didn't even know what... Oh, it's like a... In the movie. I'm sorry. We'll go off on another tangent. I love tangents. This dog. my husband had some tacos delivered to the house and opened the door and this

the stray dog was just eating the tacos and we were like what the fuck and so we eventually got him to like come in the house and he was like really messed up he was like so skinny and like just fleas everywhere but we ended up like calling him ubi like Uber eats but then we had the four other dogs at the time whose names were B so we were like dang we really got to call him something with the B and we were like about Booby. And so now his name is booby. That is a real name.

Okay. It's not just like... But we do spell it B-O-O-B-Y. So I don't know. Yeah. Maybe. Sure. Yeah.

In the Friday Night Lights movie. Yeah. Okay. Boobie Miles is the main character. 41. Okay. A little bit on me. I got a few.

What are you? How old are you? 28. Yeah. Like your age begins with a two. I've never seen this movie. Do you know the movie I'm talking about? No.

Oh, it's one of the greatest sports films of all time. No, I've never seen it. Oh, man, Billy Bob Thornton. Tim McGrath's in it. It's probably Tim McGrath's greatest performance. That's great. I didn't even know Tim McGraw was in any movies, so. Oh, that's really good.

Let me talk about my grateful things. That was number one. Or was that two? Was that family and dogs? No, they're part of the family. Okay, good. Another thing is just professional wrestling as a whole, which I know it feels like a cop out,

but TNA has just been incredible to me. in every single way. And last but not least, I would just say I love how grateful you are for TNA in the career that they've allowed you to have. They've been incredible throughout everything. I've just had the,

I could not ask for anything more from TNA. They've given me so many opportunities. I've made history so many times with them. I love representing them. Like everything that TNA has done for wrestling over the year, like the X division, the ultimate X match, that's like their love letter to professional wrestling.

Like I just... Oh, it's one of my favorite matches. Yeah, I love everything about it. Oh my God. You know what is a goal of mine is, okay, I'll just make this goal right now, is to compete in a women's ultimate X match in WWW. Whoa.

Yeah. Okay, that's my goal. I love it. So if that ever happens, fingers crossed. And the last one. The last one, I just want to say like, just my health. Like, I'm lucky that I've never been, man,

knock on what big time, like seriously injured at all. Like, I've never had anything broken from wrestling. I've never had anything. I'm going to say this and I'm going to get hurt this weekend. I just, I just know it. But, yeah, I've been very lucky in that regard. I've never had, like, a sprain or a strain that's kept me out for too long. Like, I'm very, very blessed in that sense.

Wow. Yeah. Especially with... And I feel like not a lot of people can say that. No, not at all. I'm going to regret. saying, you know, I feel it in my... Do you feel banged up at all?

Like, really, the only thing I have problems with is, like, my flexibility, but... You could work the... Yeah, I could definitely work on it. I could stretch more. Yeah. And then, um, no, like, I don't feel banged up at all. Like, I feel, I feel great, to be honest. And you look like a million bucks.

Man, I've been wrestling for 14 years, so that's... It's really a blessing in and of itself. 14 years? Mm-hmm. How do you start wrestling? You've wrestled half your life. Yeah. How do you start wrestling at 14?

Because Texas doesn't have that. Athletic Commission. And you could do whatever you want. Anything goes in Texas. You don't know, since you don't know Friday Night Lights, which also became a TV show, you don't know clear eyes full hearts. No. Oh my gosh.

It's a Texas thing. No. Clear eyes full hearts. And then they would go, can't lose. No. I can't believe you're 41. I wouldn't, I wouldn't guess that. Thank you.

Yeah. It's very kind of you. Yeah. You would be, I would guess you're 40 and a half. Thank you. Texas forever. Texas forever. Yeah. Everything's bigger and better in Texas.

I was just there a few days ago. Just there interviewing the Hardee's for TNA Genesis. They're the best. Congrats to you on a hell of a year. Can't wait to see what you got in store for this year. Thank you very much. And good to finally catch up with you. Yeah, good to finally catch up on camera.

We've caught up off camera. I think you were having me in Hollywood. It's my first time here. Oh, welcome. Yeah, good to see you. Hollywood Hunk. He lives not too far from it. I'm talking about me.

No. Look at the flex. my goodness. You know, I really appreciate Jordan's honesty about mispronouncing my last name. I always know you're a real one if you listen to the Ask CVV episodes, right? I always say you're a real one if you listen to those because I get, if you want to listen to an interview with a guest, totally get it, but you're a real one if you just want to listen to us hang out for an hour on an Ask CVV episode. But another way I can tell if you're a real one is if you listen of the podcast and you don't just watch on YouTube because I say Van Fleet at the start of every episode.

Heck, it's in the lyrics to the theme song for the show by Downstate. Van Fleet. I'm just saying, I appreciate you for being here. I appreciate you listening all the way until the end here. And I can't wait to see where Jordan Grace appears next and when that will be. She was in the Royal Rumble last year. and in just a few days, I feel like there's a good chance we could see her in the Rumble again. This time, though, not as a TNA star. This could be as a WWE superstar.

We'll have to see what happens Saturday in Indianapolis. Snap a screenshot. Let us know you're listening and tag us. She's at Jordan Grace. I'm at Chris Van Fleet. And we'll wrap it up with this quote from Nelson Mandela. A winner is a dreamer who never gives up. Be great and be grateful, my friends.

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