Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Kelly Kelly Talks Possible WWE Return, Why She Missed Evolution 2, Divas Era, Being A Mom To Twins

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Kelly Kelly (@TheBarbieBlank) is a professional wrestler best known for her time in WWE. She sits down with Chris Van Vliet at West Coast Creative Studio in Los Angeles, CA to discuss a possible return to WWE, why she turned down the invitation to appear at Evolution, teaming with Maria Menounos at WrestleMania 28, defending the World Heavyweight Championship with Edge, dream matches with current members of the roster, and more!  Quote I'm thinking about: "A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new." - Albert EinsteinPlease support our sponsors!   PURE PLANK: The future of core fitness! Use the code CVV to save 10% on Pure Plank designed by Adam Copeland & Christian: https://gopureplank.com/?ref=tibcloux   SUPERPOWER: Go to https://Superpower.com and use code CVV to get $50 Off your annual Superpower subscription. Live up to your 100-Year potential. #superpowerpod   SEAT GEEK: Use my code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order*: https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/CVV2025 Sponsored by SeatGeek. *Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount PRIZEPICKS: Download the app today and use code INSIGHT to get $50 instantly after you play your first $5 lineup!  TIMELINE: Go to https://timeline.com/insightto get 20% off your order of Mitopure!   VUORI: Get 20% off your first purchase! Get yourself some of the most comfortable and versatile clothing on the planet at https://vuori.com/cvv   ROCKET MONEY: Join Rocket Money today and reach your financial goals faster: https://rocketmoney.com/cvv MIRACLE MADE: Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to https://trymiracle.com/CVV and use the code CVV to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF   ZOCDOC: Instantly book a top-rated doctor today at https://zocdoc.com/insight   BONCHARGE: Use the code CVV to save 15% off your infrared sauna blanket at https://boncharge.com/cvv   BLUECHEW: Get your first month of BlueChew for free with the code CVV at https://bluechew.com   For more information about Chris and INSIGHT go to: https://podcast.chrisvanvliet.com If you have ever enjoyed any of these episodes, could I ask you to please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcast or Spotify? It takes less than a minute and makes a huge difference in helping to spread the word about the show and also to convince some hard-to-get guests.    Follow CVV on social media:  Instagram: instagram.com/ChrisVanVliet Twitter: twitter.com/ChrisVanVliet Facebook: facebook.com/ChrisVanVliet YouTube: youtube.com/ChrisVanVliet TikTok: tiktok.com/@Chris.VanVliet Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Van Fleet. Ah, yes, welcome back to another one here on Insight. I'm CVV, Chris Van Fleet. Thank you for hitting play on this episode, and thank you for making Insight the number one wrestling podcast on the planet. Hit a superplex on that follow button on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or really anywhere you're listening. I just don't want you to miss out on any new interviews we have every Tuesday and Thursday. and of course, ask CVV every Friday.

You knew her in WWE as Kelly Kelly. So great to have Barbie Blank back on the show. When you think of the divas era in WWE, she is one of the names that immediately pops into your head. She's been retired now from full-time in-ring action since 2012, but we've seen her pop up every now and then. We've seen her on Raw. We've seen her in three Royal Rumbles.

We also saw her in the Battle Royal at the first ever, evolution PLE, but a lot has changed since she was wrestling full-time in WWE. She's a mom of twins. They actually turned two later on this month, so happy early birthday to them. She's got her hands full now, but she says that she would love nothing more than the opportunity at some point for her kids to see her wrestle in WWE. So it feels like it's a matter of when that happens, not if it happens. Snap a screenshot and let us know you're listening to this episode.

follow her on social media. She's at the Barbie Blank. I'm at Chris Van Fleet, and here we go. Please welcome Barbie Blank, better known as Kelly Kelly. Are the babies? They're so good. They're almost two, right? Wow. I know. I feel like time is just flying by. Isn't it crazy? Yeah. Goes so fast. I know. I know. It's wild. I don't like it. I wish we could do something to slow it down. I know. I wish there was a way because I don't know. Every day they, you know, I'm up with them. They just look like new people every day. Like they're just like features and everything are just like, yeah. And they're talking now? Oh my gosh. They say so much. They talk so much. They're saying all the things. They're repeating everything. They're in their repeating

phase. That's so fun. My daughter will get on, like she'll say something. You know, you can't understand kids all the time. Right. She'll keep saying it until you say it back to her. Oh. So, like, she'll say, like, you know, like, that's a big dinosaur. And she'll just keep saying it until you go, that is a big dinosaur. Oh, my God. That's adorable. It's something else.

It's funny. Like, my son, and this is, like, my husband. He says this. He's like, he was done with his dinosaur. He's like, that's enough. And my husband's like, because he says that that's enough. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. He's, even our nanny was like, he said that's enough.

That is not a, like, kid. I'm like, yeah, great. So here we go. And it makes you realize they're listening to everything. Oh, yeah. I said the F word on accident the other day. And they're like, ah! My daughter goes, and I was like, oh.

And I wanted to hear it again so bad. And I was like, what did you say? It's like, oh, my gosh, this is so bad. It's hilarious that when they do that. So what are you guys watching on the TV? What are they obsessed with? You know, what's funny is like I've done so much research. You know, I'm one of those moms where, because my kids were watching,

like these overstimulating shows, but I wasn't realizing, like, you know, I had on Miss Rachel. And we like it, Miss Rachel, or we had on some other ones that were like, whenever we would turn it off, they would get so upset. And I was like, oh, my gosh, this is miserable. So then I started doing like research, right? And I'm like, okay, I'm seeing these shows that I used to watch, like, in the 90s, you know, like Winnie the Pooh or, like, you know, Bear in the Big Blue House and stuff like that. and I've noticed like in the old Mickey Mouse,

like watching those when I turn it off, totally fine. And so I don't know what they're doing with these cartoons and this day and age, but so I tell all the moms, I'm like, I just turn on like 90s cartoons and I feel like it's perfect. I feel like that's such a good idea. Yeah. I've heard of people getting rid of like just getting rid of the flat screen TV.

Yeah, I mean, that's a little extreme. Because I need a little, you know, Mommy needs to live 30 minutes to cook some dinner, okay? So we're going to put on 80s Winnie the Poo. Okay. I've heard of families getting like the one that we grew up on, like the tube TV with the VHS built into it. Yeah. Oh, that's a good idea. Right.

And just like watching like stuff that we watched when we were kids. That's not a bad idea. Yeah. It's tough though because if you listen to everything on social media. I know. Well, there's just so information. So much information. We didn't have.

And every decision you're making is wrong for some sort of reason. So it's like you just got to make some sort of decision. Just go with your gut. You know. Exactly. But I think the biggest thing is like it goes by so fast. And one of the toughest things is people just keep saying like, well, you got to enjoy it while you can. It's like, I'm trying.

I'm doing everything I can. What more could I do? I know. And then you see like reels that pop up and it's like, you know, this one time in their life, they're not going to remember this and it's just a blip and then, you know, the rest of their life, they're not going to remember. And you're just like, oh my, like, there's things all the time that pop up and it's just like, I just start crying. I'm like, this is so upsetting. You only get 18 summers. I'm like, well, two are already gone. I know, I know. What do I do?

I know. Or like everyone talks about how it goes by in a blink. Yeah. And then I saw this real that made me so emotional. It was like you are in the blink. Yes, that's the one. And I, I couldn't say it. I couldn't figure out it. But that's the one I saw. Yeah. Yeah. Like we're in the blink right now.

And it's like I'm trying to do everything I can to maximize those moments with those little humans. Mm-hmm. But it's like. Yeah. It's like someone. It's like someone telling you to like put your hands out to catch water. Mm-hmm. And like pouring water into your hands.

They're going, catch more of catch. What are you doing? Like, I'm doing everything I can. Yeah. And you're like, I can only catch so much in my hands right. Right now. Exactly. That's what it feels like. Yeah. Yeah. How much do you think it's changed you as a person being a mom? I mean, my whole life revolves around my kids now. I mean, I don't, I turn down so many things. There's like, because I just know that I'm only going to have this time with them for so long. So I'm like, I prioritize things. I like, you know what I mean? If my kid has something or, you know, some event or like, I'm like, okay, well, I can't do the sign. I can't do. You know what I mean? And they just come first right now. and that's fine. And I definitely feel like it's changed me, though, as a person, too. Like, I don't even know who I was before kids, you know, like I look back and, you know, my 20s and I'm just like,

oh my gosh, I don't even know that person, you know. But I think it's probably a good thing. But I am finding that I think it is still important to, like, have my own stuff, but like finding a balance between it because the mom guilt is like real. Like even coming to. to do this your show today. I was like the mom guilt because like I miss their music class. And I'm like, oh my name is like, oh, you are, you know, you're such a good mom. You're always here. Like you can, you know what I mean? But it's the mom guilt. Thank you. Oh my gosh. Always. Always for you. We're all very appreciative that you're here.

You're just to drive away. Although drives in L.A. Oh, you know. Boy, they can take a while. Yeah. Yeah. Do you wonder how your friends with kids are able to do this and still wrestle? It's wild. It's wild. I mean, I commend. them. Like, you know, I see Becky, who has her daughter on the road, you know, Alexa and like, they have their nannies and they have their, you know what I mean? It's like they're able to, like, bring them on the road, which I think is so amazing because not a lot of people are able to

do that. So I think what they're doing is really cool. Do you think you could do it? Not with two. I don't know. I think with two, it's your pushing it. Um, no, I just think it's already so much whenever I try to go out of town with them and we do vacations, it's a lot of work. Do they come with you when you do signings? No. No, my husband, thank God for him, he's a saint. So it's, you know, we have a great, like a little, I don't know, schedule or whatever. Like, he works during the week and I, you know, take over. And then on the weekends, when I have signings, he takes over. And so it's just great because we're able to, like, one of us is always home, you know, So it works out really well.

What's the main thing when you do signing that you're, what are you signing most of the time? Just like autographs or like belts. Yeah, you know, and like divas belts and stuff. But I'm very funny. Like when it comes to signings, I will take a red eye.

Like I will put my kids to bed. I'll make sure I get on a red eye. I will fly into the sign that morning. I will do my makeup in the airport. Go to the signing. Fly out that night. So like I won't be gone longer than 48 hours. That's the longest I've ever gone.

And you're just hoping that flights don't a delay. Yes. And I've been lucky, but there are times where I'm like, I've ran to the gate in Chicago last, I think it was like two weekends ago. And they were literally, they shut the gate. And I started bawling. I'm like, I have to get home to my kids. And they're like, oh, wow, she's really like. And so I, I guess they felt bad for me because they let me on. And they were like, okay, we can get you on. I'm like, okay, thank you. But yeah, I'm like, you know. What's the match or the moment that fans are always talking to you about at signings? Oh my gosh. They want to know my favorite. And it's always the SummerSlam, uh, 2011 when I was

Divas champ against Beth Phoenix. It was here in LA at the Staples Center, which is now crypto. Um, but I don't know. It was just everything about that match was my favorite match. Like, I don't know. The crowd was amazing. Me and Best match was amazing. Um, yeah, I don't know. It was just like that whole night was just perfect. seems to have the ability to just pull out the best of whoever she's working with. Million percent. Is that what you felt that night? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And we had a great match. We had such a great match. And I want to say we did, was it that one? The Superplex off the top. It was either that one or one other pay-per-view that. Maybe it was a Knight of Champions. But we did something really cool in the SummerSlan one, too.

But the other one was the Night of Champions in Buffalo. that was another one of my favorites. It was in her hometown. And I had never been booed ever. Okay. And they were like, okay, just to warn you, this is, you're going to get booed out of this building. Okay. So just keep it together, smile on your face, you know, and I'm like, okay.

Like, I'm not expecting, you know, it to be that bad. Oh my God. Literally the second, it was like, yeah. And they were, and I was like, I literally wanted to cry. Like, I was like, this, I could never be a heel. because this, like, I was like, I don't like this feeling. So I'm standing in the ring. They're just like massively booing me. And I'm like, oh my gosh, this is going to test me because I've never been booed and throughout the match. I was booed throughout the whole match.

And I think we had the superplex. Oh my gosh. I have to look back now. But I remember they were, we said we were going to do that. And not girls weren't doing that at the time. Right. Like it just, you know, now we do it all the time. But that, no. And so I remember. And so I remember. remember we were talking to fit and we were like, we really want to do this off the top. And he's like, all right. We got the okay. I just practiced it on a mat. I didn't ever practice it like actually hitting the mat.

So I was like, well, breath is like, we'll just go out. It'll be fine. You'll be fine. I'm like, okay. So we're on the top. And I just remember like seeing all of the arena stand up. And I just remember like bracing myself because I knew it was going to hurt. And so I hit it.

I was like, oh, and I wanted to cry there too. So I was like laying there like, oh my God. I was in so much pain. And I just remember, like, the rep being like, you go. And he was like, it was so good. I was like, yes. And so Beth, you know, she supposed to, you know, she goes to pin and I like, you know, just right at the end, I kick out.

And then I think I did a roll through and ended up winning. And the crowd was, it was just so that. Yeah. So those two are my top. But in the Summer Slam, going back to that. It was another, like, pin out of nowhere kind of thing. And my mom was front row. It was just, like, so cool.

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So many wrestlers sit across from you and talk about after they retire, they miss that crowd reaction. Yeah. It's been a while now. You've been retired for 13 years. Gosh, no, you're aging me right now. Thank you. You're still far younger than me. So we're good. Do you miss that pop? I do. And I think that's why I come back for the rumbles and I, you know, I come back for the evolutions and stuff like that because it's like you miss that and you crave that. And it's just like, you know, in the back of your mind, you're also worried like, are they going to remember me? Are they going to cheer for me? Like, is my pop going to be big?

You know, so that's going through your mind too. And you're just like, hoping that they remember you. Well, the thing is you look the exact same as when you left. You must tell us. And that's what so many of the comments on this video is going to be. It's going to be like she looks the exact same. I love that. Tell us the secret.

Have two children and never sleep. Oh, have good genes. I don't know. I bless my parents, my mom and dad, because, yeah. I don't know. I just do lasers and I try and just like takes care of my skin and, you know, the same old stuff. You've just frozen in, you're frozen in time. Like, it's an amazing thing.

I'm very lucky. Very lucky. You were invited to come back for Evolution, too. Yes. What made you say no? Well, you know, and I wanted to like talk about this because it was a thing. So when I got the call, you know, I didn't, it was in Atlanta, obviously. And I just, again, it was one of the weekends, the only weekend I had off.

And I was like, you know, I just, and my kids, I think they had something going on. And I feel like when I come back, I want it to be, I want my kids to see me, you know, there and they wouldn't have been able to make it. I don't know. There was just like a lot of different things that were kind of keeping me from going. And like, of course, you read the dirt sheets and every, it's another thing. Somebody on the dirt she was like, oh, somebody in the higher ups said that she only wants to come back if she has a match, which could not have been farther from the truth. Like, I didn't need a match to come back. I didn't need a match to come back. I don't. I would have, if it was in L.A., I would have been there. No questions asked. I would have been there. If it's, you know what I mean? But to fly across the country to do that, it's like, like I said in the beginning with my kids, I'm very picky about what I say yes and no to right now. You know, maybe when they're, you know, six or seven and they're, you know, they're grown or, you know, bigger and stuff like that, then I probably would have done it. But it's just like, like I said, that was the one weekend I had off. I didn't want to get them on a plane and do this. You know what I mean?

There was just like a bunch of different things. Was it a last minute call? It was. It was a last minute call. So if they had called you six months in advance, you probably would have done it. Probably. I would have been able to like clear everything and make sure. I think my husband had to work that weekend too.

So then I was going to have to like figure out like I don't my nanny situation. You know what I mean? And it wasn't like I said, if it was in on the West Coast, I could have made it work. I could have figured something out. But it's like, you know, my husband was having to, he works on the, he's an engineer. He's building the underground subways here. in L.A. And they were doing a night thing. So he was having to work. It was just like, it was just like a lot. And that's the thing. Like it had nothing to do with wanting a singles match. And like someone

said the higher reps. And they, W.W.E knows exactly why I said no. And they were totally, they were like, when we're in L.A., you'll be there. And I'm like, yes, I will be there. So that was never a conversation. Like, Kelly has to come back. She has to be in a match. never, never, you know, and it's like, you know, they said, oh, well, the higher up said, you know, she hasn't been in the ring in 13 years. When I've done battle royals and stuff, I've gotten a call a week before and I got in the ring and I wrestled every day because I was like, you know what I mean? So it has nothing to do with that, you know, everybody that I talk to in WWE knows the reason. So it's just like for people to come on and be like, oh, she's, you know, she's so,

she thinks she's better than sitting in the crowd and she thinks that she deserves a match. And it's like, no, like, I would have gladly, you know, when they came for the Netflix thing, I wanted to go to that, you know what he means? Because it was in L.A. So it's like, it's just like different circumstances that, you know, happen and, you know, life, right? So at the end of the day, like, I have to thank WWE for my career. Like, there who made me, like, I wouldn't have the career that I have. It wasn't for them. So, like, I am so appreciative of them. That's why I signed a legends deal. And that's why I, you know, we, I still come back all the time. But yeah, I think, hopefully, you know, a few years down the line when my kids will be able to, you know, sit next to me if I'm in the

crowd and cheer me on, I just, yeah, I think that will be. Do you think of a situation down the line where you can wrestle in front of your kids? Like, do you want your kids to see you wrestle? Yeah, I mean, that's always my dream, you know, is like one day for them to be old enough to, like, understand what Mommy does and like sit there in the like front row and just cheer me on. And I just think that's like the coolest thing. But also if I'm sitting in the crowd, I would love for them to be like, wow, mommy, all these people are cheering for you? Like what's going on?

You know? Do you still think of yourself as a wrestler? Yeah. I feel like when people ask me like, what do you do? Like I'm like, oh, I'm a former wrestler, you know, WW. They're like, what? And, you know, it starts a whole thing. Are they like, you?

Yeah. Oh, my, that's the number one. What? Oh, you, you like held the cards, right? I'm like, no, I actually. And then I'll like pull up a YouTube match and like, oh my gosh, you actually wrestle. What match do you show them? The SummerSlam match.

Oh, okay. Or you could show them winning the Divas Championship. That too, that too, because that was a really cool, that was a really cool moment. That was not expected. So you tell people you're a former wrestler. Did they go, well, what do you do now? I'm a mom. The hardest job ever.

It is. It is. It is. So that's normally, yeah, I mean, a mom is, it's something that I've always wanted to be. I feel like I did everything in my career that I wanted to do. And I was so ready to be a mom. And so I'm just like, I'm glad I was able to like have my 20s and some of my early 30s to like do everything I wanted to do in life when it came to work, modeling, all that stuff. And then I have twins and I'm like, I cannot get in a bikini to save my life.

So. When you talk about your life would look so different. from without WWA. What would that look like? Oh my gosh. I would probably be a news, like, reporter in Jacksonville. Because you went to school for broadcast. I did for a broadcaster.

I wanted to be, like, you know, somebody on the news, maybe a weather girl or like, you know, I don't know. We might have worked at the same TV station. But it was, I was very, like, blessed. And this was my calling. And I'm so thankful with that's how my life. went. Because, yeah, I have there, you know. Do you remember your last singles match?

Well, like we were just saying, so TV was Eve Torres, but the last one was Natty on a house show. I remember the house or the on TV because it was a secret that I was cut. Because I had been out for a while. I've been out because I had hurt my neck. And so I was taking some time off. And so they called me and they were like, are you ready to come back? And I was like, yeah. And they were like, we want you to, you know, be a surprise. So they didn't announce me. And I had my match with Eve and came out. And the crowd was like, and I think that was it. Because after that I think I was like, I don't know. I think my neck was hurting. There was like a bunch of things that there was things that I wanted. I wanted to do some other things. I wanted to try some acting. I wanted to get back into some modeling. And this was before WW. has let, you know, their, you know, wrestlers kind of do more things now was very like,

no, you can't do it. You know what I mean? So I just think, and I had been wrestling for seven, almost seven years, three in a day's a year, never really endured, no time off. So when I got time off, I enjoyed it and I was like able to like really just enjoy myself, enjoy my time. And then I wanted to do like a calendar. I was going to do a Barbie blank calendar.

And they're like, no, no, no, because we're in the PG era too. And so it was like, no, you can't. And I think I was just like, okay, I need to step away because I feel like, and I've said this too. I think I've limited last time is like when your heart isn't in it, it shows in your wrestling. Like you just look like you don't want to be there. You're tired. You're not putting 100% into your matches.

And like, I always told myself when I felt that way, I want to leave because like that was my whole character was like me being myself, you know, the underdog and like wanting to like be there for the fans. And like I just, I was burnt out. I was tired. I just felt like I was dreading having to go back on the road every weekend and do it. And I just was like, you know what? I don't want to do this for the fans. I don't want to do this for me. Like I want to be here. I want to be happy when I'm here because the fans will see it in the matches too. Like you just look like you don't be there, you know? And so I was like hoping like, okay. And when I had the conversation with Hunter and he was like, look, the door's always all open for you.

You know, like go see what else you want to do. Go, you know, do whatever you want to do. And, you know, if you want to come back, great kind of thing. So it was like we left on good terms. It was totally fine. So, you know, soon after that's when I got the Wag Show. So. Did you have a chance to say goodbye in WWE?

No. No, I think I, no. I got a call. and I was on my off day. Yeah. And it was like, well, you know. You're like, okay, that. I was like, I get it. You know, I feel like I kind of have been slacking off to. And they were like, look, we know you want to do other things.

Like, you know, go do them. And, you know, we want to see you happy. We can tell you're not, you know, very happy here right now. And because I was like happy not being on the road because I was seeing somebody. So I was like, okay, I want to like put time and effort into this. And it's like, you know, in your 20s, you know, I was so young when I started that like my whole, I was 19, right? So I, like, grew up in front of the WWE. I feel like, like, you know, my college experiences would have been in the WWE.

Like, I, you know what I mean? So I had fun. And I, like, you know, I look back and I don't regret anything. Like, I was like, this was how it was meant to grow up. I was, I grew so much in such a young age. And I, like, saw the world. I got to do so many things. And, yeah, it was just so lucky and blessed to be able to do that.

And I, yeah, I think when. And I was about 25, 26. It was like, okay, let's kind of see what else is out there and explore. And, you know. Those are such formidable years of your life, right? So, like, you're not even drinking age when you. No, I couldn't run a car. I couldn't do anything.

You know, I'm riding on ECW. I'm riding with Sandman, Savoo, Dreamer. Like, what is that? Oh, yeah. I bet you have some stories. Oh, there are some funny stories. Let me tell you. I was like, what is happening?

How did you get put in their car? Because Tommy was kind of like my dad on the road. He was kind of assigned to like take care of me because he was in OVW. He like and he, you know, with Heyman, like I think Heyman kind of was like, okay, you got to take her under her your wing kind of thing. Like, you know, just kind of protect her and stuff like that. He's like, so you're going to get in the car with us. And I'm like, okay. And this is when we're like printing out MapQuest directions at the time.

He's like, what we need you to do since you can drive is you need to find out the city. You need to print out directions. And I'm like, oh, my God. This is wild. So I'm like, you know, and I get the directions every week. And there's just so many. Yeah. It was fun.

So if those are such formidable years, right? 19 to 25 when you're in WWE. What's the biggest life lesson wrestling pie? Oh, my gosh. So many things. Just how to, I mean, I had to grow up. You know, I didn't even, when I, when I moved from Jacksonville on my own to Louisville, Kentucky, I hadn't even, I didn't know how to cook, I didn't know how to clean, I didn't know how to do my

laundry. My parents did everything for me. So I just had to grow up. Like I had to learn how to pay bills. Like, I remember, like, getting a computer and having to like pay monthly on it. And I was like, I'm not doing this. And like, I just racked up. Like, there are so many things where I was like, wow.

Like, what were you doing at 19? Like, just thrown out into the world. So, yeah, I just had to figure things. Yeah, because then I got the bill from the computer. I owed like $5,000. And I was like, I had to write a check for that. So there's just things where you, you know, you learn as you go. And yeah.

Like you're growing up. Yeah. You don't know about taxes at 19. I didn't know about taxes. My mom was like, you bet your taxes. I'm like, I don't invite me my taxes. Like. Who helped you figure this out?

Well, the IRS after. after a few years. It's not to pay a big old bill, so that was fun. But at 19, I'm like, who's paying taxes? I don't. And my mom was like, Barb, I'm telling you, you need to do your taxes. I'm like, I don't need to do my taxes. I talk to other wrestlers.

They don't pay their taxes, okay? That can't be true. So on none of the bus. But, no. Sure, the IRS found them too. I probably did. Jeez. But it was, yeah.

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The wrestling business itself, are there any transferable life skills from what you actually learned in the business? Yeah, I mean, going into doing other stuff after WWB, like wags, like that, if it It wasn't for TV. Wives and Girlfriends. Yeah. It was Wags. It was on E.

And it was a, you know, a reality show, but, you know, it's scripted, right? What? Don't tell you. And it was funny. Like, with that show specifically when they came to me, they were like, look, we, we need you to bring on a friend or, like, somebody. And I was like, well, I don't trust anyone enough to, like, on a reality show and, like, do that. So I was like, if you want to have me on great. And because they already had their cast.

of like six, and they all known each other, all the girls. And I was like, well, I don't know if you, you know, that's the only way I'll come on is like, if you. And like two days before they started shooting, they're like, okay, we're going to have you on. We want you to be on the show. You're just going to, you're just going to need to act like you've known these girls for years. And like, and I'm like, great. I have acting experience. Okay. So I went into that first episode acting like, I had known these girls for years. And so, And that's what helped me with that show for three or four seasons. Because, you know, we would have a scene and I would be like, okay, what are the bullet points that I need to hit here?

What do I, you know what I mean? And so it really helped with like that and like, you know, my persona because that can make people look really bad too. If you especially have some drinks and they say you need to say this and you don't think about, okay, how is this going to come off on TV? Yeah. So that helped me a lot. Yeah. you had the self-awareness already being a public figure. Yes.

Where I feel like some people get on a reality show and. Yes. So many times. And I've had so many girls. No. And they're like, make them look so bad. And I'm like, well, girl, you said that. You shouldn't, you know.

But yeah. So that was a big one that helped me out a lot. Do you have people now that are recognizing you just from Wags and not from wrestling? It's a combination for sure. You know, when Wags came out, it was like social media was really starting to boom. Like Twitter had already been there, Facebook, but that was like the beginning of Instagram. So I think I was really lucky because I was able to gain female fans from the show. So it was like, I have a good like following of men and women.

So that was really good because I was able to, you know, monetize that off of, I was doing, you know, fashion brands and like working with all these brands when Instagram was like booming. And it was like I just, I blew up on Instagram in the beginning. It was great. I was so lucky to have to have that. monetize off of it. So this is such a fun fact. I love this. You were nominated for favorite butt kicker.

Yes. At the 2012 Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards. Do you remember who else was nominated? Because this list is wild. Well, you reminded me Tom Cruise. And I remember. Tom Cruise. Okay, I'm not winning this, but just to me.

He didn't win either. No, who won? Jessica Alba or something? Taylor Lottner won. Taylor Lottner. So it's Tom Cruise, Jessica Alba. Okay. Taylor Lawtoner and Kelly Kelly.

That's wild. What a list. I know. I know. Do you remember who hosted? Because you went, right? I did go. And it was a,

it was WrestleMania weekend in Miami. The Nickelodeon kid's show was in L.A. So I literally had to, and I think I had something to do at that mania. This was WrestleMania 29, I think. Yeah. I think it was in about, or maybe like a, you know, we could look,

we were looking up all your other matches. Do you want to see? I'm curious now. Okay, let's find out here. We have all the world's information. This was white here? 2012. So you're saying that was WrestleMania?

I just don't know. I thought so. Oh, wait. Yes. This was the Maria Meninos match. No, was that? 2012. Oh, my gosh.

And that was the first year. The only like match I ever had while I was there was like, I remember that, yes, because it was wild. My parents were all in town in Miami, and then Maria was flying in. We were flying for, it was wild. Yeah. Yeah, I said 29, but 28. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wow. Yeah, it was a wild weekend. So you went from kids' choice to WrestleMania? Yes, yes. Like literally flew in that morning back to, yeah, I think I took a red eye out the night before to get in. No, took a flight, got in, did the kids' choice wars, and then flew out. Oh, yes, took a red eye back to Miami, land at like 6 a.m. and had mania. I'm pretty sure that's how it went down. Wow.

Yeah. But I was like, I have to do this. This is like the biggest moment of my career with mania. Like, I'm going to make this work. I'm going to figure it out, you know. How did you get on this list? Like Tom Cruise, Jessica out, but Taylor Lawner. I don't know. It was wild. I remember like, that's incredible. I know. I know. I was like, wow, it must be pretty popular. Was Tom Cruise there? I want to say he was. Wow. Will. Will. We'll see. Smith hosted the award show. I looked this up. Yes. Yep. And I feel like I was sitting next to somebody really cool, too, and I can't remember. I was just thinking about my WrestleMania 28 match. Yeah. No, I was like, oh my gosh. And now I have one of the biggest matches ever, too. So that'll be fun. And apparently on Zero Slave. Yeah. No. But that's, you know, story of my life. All right. So WrestleMania 28, walk me through that entire day. Well, I remember Maria was flying in that morning, too.

we didn't really have time to like, we figure out the match probably a few hours before. I know, like, me, Beth and Eve had practice and then we kind of were like going to fill her in. Like these are, this is what you need to do. But she was coming off of dancing with the stars and she was like in a lot of pain. She had like broken her let something ligament or something but she was and she was supposed to take the heat in the match. And I're just like, oh my gosh. She's like I got it. She was like such a trooper. She's like, I'm going to do it. I got. I'm going to do it. I got it. Like, I can do this. And we're just like, okay. And that was the match I wanted to do the Molligo round. I had never done it. But I was like, I'm going to make this match memorable. I'm going to do this. And I wanted to do it for a long time. And so I remember like bringing it up to fit. Like, hey, I went. And he's like, all right, let's see how, you know, we'll pull a mat out. Let's see if you can. I nailed it. And he was like, all right, let's do it. And Beth was like, you got this. Like, you know. And so I only practiced it like two times. And it's just like, praying to God, everything went okay during the magic mania.

And, but yeah, so we, we rehearsed it. I was so nervous. I just remember being so nervous and just like, just before every match, I was always so nervous. I would, like, throw up and like. Really? Yeah, I threw up before every match. Before every match? Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. Just go to like a trash can on the side and just like throw up. That's how I like release my nerves. I was so nervous. I would say a prayer and throw up. At any point when you're throwing up before every match, you go, maybe this isn't for me.

You know, I thought. Or was it a good word? Well, I had talked to so many people that are like, look, whenever the nerves go away, that's a bad sign. And I thoroughly, that is so very true. So you're saying towards the end when you were done with your WWE you stopped throwing up. I think the nerves were not there.

And I just was like, you know. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't like a throw-up. It was like a little. So you throw up, then you go out there for WrestleMania 28. Yes, yes. My makeup look good, everything I'm good. No, I'm going to, people are going to be like, Jesus, freaking believe it. No, I just. I mean, they're going to believe you if you said. It wasn't a big throw up. It was just like, let me get the nerves out. Hopefully other people experiences too. I'm sure it's not uncommon.

But yes, and then I would say a prayer. I would say a prayer right before I walked through the curtain. And that was my ritual. And, yeah. Does anything in life make you that nervous now? I think right before I have my kids. Oh, sure. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yes, that was it. And that was. And then right before my wedding, too. I threw it before the wedding too. Being a theme here. Yeah, yeah. With the kids, was it like, I don't know what the process of actually giving birth is going to be like?

Or, oh, my goodness. I have the response. of two more humans now. Well, I think at that point it was just like birth because, you know, social media, you're seeing all these things. And leading up to it, I thought I was going to just, I wanted to do it naturally. With twins? Wow.

Oh, I was determined, Chris. I was determined. I don't know. I don't know. Something in me was like, you can do this. So I had a doula. I was ready. I had been, we had, I had done so many classes, birthing classes.

Like I had done so many things and trying to. go into labor naturally. Like my doula was with me all the time like, okay, we're going to do this. Nothing was working. With twins at 38 weeks, they don't like them to go longer. And they don't like to induce twins, right? So we're at the point. My doctor's like, look, there's no sign of you going into labor anytime soon. These babies do not want to come out. They were both actually, and both their heads were like, fine. So it was like, it was not a good situation. She was like, so if you go into labor before great. If you don't, we should schedule C-section. I was like, okay. And thank God, I did do the C-section because they were big. Big twins. Big twins. I probably would have passed out

on the table, Lord. You might have thrown up. Probably a million percent would have thrown up. So yeah, C-section was the best way to do it. And it was really, it was great. I didn't, you know, I had the best doctors. My husband was right there. He got to cut the cool. He got to do all the things. And I remembered everything about it, you know. And yeah, it was just like the best day of our lives. Oh, it's the best. It is.

And I look at my wife in such a different way. Yeah. After watching her go through that twice, it's like. It's wild. Is she naturally? Yeah. Wow. Good for her.

She's an animal. Seriously. Yeah. See, that's kind of what I wanted, but maybe. Maybe. Maybe one more. Yeah. We talk about it.

I don't know. Yeah, we talk about it too and we're like, I don't know. I know. Two seems very good, but then I'm like, oh. We got man on my own coverage right now. I know. Right? Two on two.

Exactly. We don't want to be on number. I know. I know. I think we're good. But who knows? You know, whatever, whatever's in the cards. We'll see.

Exactly. Do you think you could still do a handspring back elbow? Gosh, that's a good question. I don't know, Chris. I don't know. After having kids, things just don't move the same, you know, as a woman, like your pelvic floor, there's things that, you know, I don't know. I don't know. It's a good question. I mean, you're not doing them as often, I imagine. Oh, no, gosh, no. I haven't gotten in the ring since my rumble.

Oh, wow. Yeah, which was 2022. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Yeah. I'm sure there'll be another opportunity. Yeah. And it'll be like riding a bike. It's the great thing about wrestling. It's like you're never done, right? No, you're not. You're not. And, you know, I know WW is coming back here to L.A. And I'm sure I'll be front row in that, you know, and cheering everybody on. We'll see you there. Yeah.

So talk to me about this match where you defended the World Heavyweight Championship with Edge. Yeah. Yeah. That was top five matches, too, for sure. So it's you and Edge versus Lake Cool and Dolph Ziegler. Yes. And I don't think I realized at the time, like how people still talk, they were like, no, you were the,

the only women to defend the world heavyweight title in a match, like that. Like they could have pinned you. Yeah. And Ziegler would have been world champ. Yes. Yes. And it was like a big deal. And I remember when they brought the idea to me, like, I think the night before I

found out that I was doing, I was like, oh my gosh. And I think we main evented that, which was really cool too. And then they told me, well, you're getting fired that night. So Michael Hayes, like, this is such a funny story. Like the day of, they were like, okay, you have all these pre-tapes. Okay, you're going to end up winning at the end. But then Vicki's going to come out and she's going to fire you and you need to cry. Like, I need you to cry on command.

Can you cry on command, Kelly? And I'm like, uh, I guess. You know, like he was like, if you, he was like, if you don't cry, this is all going to go to shit. It's all going to go to shit. If you do not cry, the fans need to feel this. They really need to feel like you're fired. And I'm like, oh, my gosh.

And then I have so much, I'm getting goosebumps thinking about it because I had so much pressure. Like the match was so intricate. There was so many things in it. There was like, you know, whatever. So we are right before going out, my eyes like, you're crying. You got this. So I told Michelle and Layla, I said, okay, I need you to beat the shit on me. Like, I really need you to lay it in because I can internalize it and I can hold it all in until it's time for me to cry.

I've done it before. So I was like, okay, I can do this. So it was like, okay. So in that match, all that shit that they're hitting me with, they are laying that in. And I was like, okay, I was building up. I was like, okay, I'm going to be able to do it. And so I just remember, like, doing the spear and just being like so happy. And I just was like, hold of a minute, because I knew she was coming out.

And then as soon as she's like, you're fired. I was like, like, the ugliest cry you could cry, you know? And I'm just like, you know. And it was so good. I was like, yes, I'm doing it. And like the eyelash is my scar is coming down. And I'm like, yes. And so we go to the back and they're like, yes.

I'm like, yes, I did it. So it was really good. You also cried in the ring when you won the Divas Championship. I did. But that was emotional. I was just so emotional. Were you planning to cry there? You know, I didn't have enough time to think because how it happened that match was like,

it could have been Eve winning or Beth or. me. It was like people, people's choice, right? Power to the people. Power to the people. And so during the day, Bree had to learn three different matches. We had no idea. That's crazy. It was wild. So on live television, when they're doing the numbers, and they're like, Kelly Kelly, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm going to win. And, you know, so I don't have enough time because then I'm trying to, oh, my God, remember the match. Oh my gosh. And you're like just thinking all this. So as soon as it ended, I just remember being so relieved because it was so, it was great match. Everything went perfect. And so, and then I I feel like it was just like years of like hard work and everything just finally.

It was like my moment. Yeah. It was just like everything went the way it was supposed to go and all the emotions just were there. Did they tell like so they hadn't planned out who was going to be in the match, but was it like whoever the audience picks, they're winning the championship? Yes. Yeah. Wow.

So you knew you were winning. Yeah. So it was really cool how that all went down. I mean, you are a fan favorite. Well, they said, too, the votes went into the, for me, went into the next match and they like messed it up somehow. I don't know. I was like, oh, wow. They were like, Kelly, your votes have gone into this next match.

And then they're messing everything up. But I'm like, oh, okay. I guess I'm kind of popular. The United States Soccer Federation present the U.S. soccer podcast. My name is David Goss, and I'm joined by my co-host, Megan Klinberg. And now we're giving people an inside look at the World Cup. Time's ticking. I think you can feel.

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Like, I tell people all the time, I'm like, his goal was to make people break character and start laughing. Like, and he would do it until he even, and you're just like, Oh my gosh, he is so funny. And yeah, we were all always dying. He is just a riot. So does he tell you in advance? I've got this nickname for. you?

No. It's just on the spot. No, on the spot. Because he wants that genuine, like, reaction, right? So, like, if he tells you before, you're like, oh, that's funny. And then whatever. Right. But if he, like, waits till it's, the camera's on, you're like, oh, my gosh.

The fact that he got John Cena to break character, they call him John Chena. I'm crying. Oh, my God. I remember that was hilarious. It's so good. So good. So when you came back recently, you do this bit backstage with the street profits. Yes.

And Montez Ford's singing your song was amazing. It's so good. I was not, I don't think if we rehearsed that either. I think he kind of just waited till the cameras are on for that. And I was like, oh, my God, this is great. Hala, halla, ha. But then, like, everybody knows Hala, halla, but I don't know if everybody knows the words that come after that.

No, it's like, da-da-da-da-da. Yeah. You know them, right? And all the girls in the club say, oh, because you know how we do. It's so bad. I'm not a singer. Montes Ford was singing. I'm like, he knows the words.

And you've heard that song thousands of times. You've got to know every word. But it's so catchy. It's so catchy. As soon as you hear the holla, you're like, everyone's hollowing for you. It's so good. Do you remember hearing that for the first time?

I do. Yeah. I think they played a few songs for me. And that was the one where I was like, oh, no, that's it. That was it. Yeah, it was just like, because I, you know, I knew wrestling. I watched it with my dad. Like, I knew the song, like, people want to, as soon as it here, you know, I wanted people to know, that's me.

So I feel like the other songs, there wasn't like a beginning like something, right? So as soon as they played the Hala, I was like, oh, that's it. Hala. And I'm from the South. I'm from Duval. Like, yeah. Hala was, yeah, that was my jam. If you were wrestling now, what do you think is the match you'd love to have?

Oh, there's so many amazing women. And I, you know, I love Charlotte. I think she's amazing. Tiffany, I think Tiffany's amazing. You know, Chelsea Green, I just love that she's like bringing like the divas kind of era back a little bit. You know, it's so cool to see that. She is the biggest Kelly Kelly fan. I know. I love her. She's so sweet. Like Chelsea Green loves Kelly Kelly. She's awesome. I love it. And like Maxine, she's so gay. Like it's cool that they're like, you know, reliving kind of like the divas era. And it's like, you know, because they feel like that era is a little lost because it was like right in between like the women's

revolution and like, like, um, right after like the ruthless era. You know what I mean? So we're just kind of in between of like fighting for that. Um, so it's cool that we do get recognized, you know, because they did do away with the divas belt and everything. And so it's cool that it's, you know, still remembered. Yeah. You guys were part of the like give divas. a chance whole thing. It's like you've got, I don't know, what's the shortest amount of time you had to work a match? Probably like 30 seconds. Probably some squash match, you know? Like do they, have you had times where it's like it's three minutes including entrances? Yeah, because time we get cut all the time. And so you're just like, okay, we'll cut this out.

We'll cut this out really quick, you know? And but literally right before curtain, you're just like, oh my gosh. And so then you're just like relying on the ref to be like, okay, you know, don't like just talk to us kind of thing. Two moves and a pen. Yeah. Right. So yeah, you just have to make the best of it. And like, that's why for me, I wasn't about like all the moves.

It was just like having the people feel my passion or like my pain or like my happiness. That's how I was able to get over. I think with the crowd is just to like not do so many moves, but like make the moves entertaining and just be the personality, make people feel like bad for you or happy for you. or, you know. Well, the thing is you were never not smiling, right? Like, you'd come out and you had this big beaming smile. It's infectious.

Yeah. Like, how can the audience not be feeling great when you're having the best time? And that's what Vince would tell me. He's like, just go out there and smile. Just be yourself. Like, the crowd loves you already. So just keep doing what you're doing, you know? So I was like, okay.

Where do you think you'd fit into the era now? Like, it's completely different from when you wrestle. It is. and these girls are just just doing insane things, like the matches that they're having, like even the hardcore matches, like, I mean, they're just going for it, you know, and it's amazing. And I like, I don't know. I don't know how I would fit in.

I mean, I would love to, you know, if given the chance, go and train and, you know, try and see if I was able to, like, go back in there and, like, hold my own. But, you know, these girls are just insane. Yeah, there's only really a handful that wrestled in your era that are still wrestling now. Yeah. Yeah. And they were able to make the transition from that style of wrestling to what you're seeing now. Totally. And people like Natalia.

Yeah. Incredible. Yeah. Nikki Bella is doing your thing now. Like there's really only a few people. And they have a long time. Like, I mean, our match. Like sometimes they have 30 minute, 45 minute, like hour matches.

And I'm like, oh my God. I can't. I would be on. I would just be like, exactly. exhausted after 15, like, oh my gosh. So, you know, yeah, they're just, it's amazing to see how, how far it's come and how far the women have come. And it's amazing, like, the best match of WrestleMania this year was the women's three-way match.

Yeah. The women's triple threat match was so good. That's one of the best matches of the year. Million and I think it actually is the best match of the year, in my opinion. Same. Yeah, and it's great that it's just like, it's gotten to a point now where it's, they're just matches. Yeah.

Whether the men are in there or the women are in there, they're just, you know, they're just, matches now and I love that. Yeah, exactly. It's really cool. It's really cool to see. Do you think if you went into the ring now and took a bump, be your first bump in, what, three years? Yeah. How much would that hurt? Probably a lot, you know? That's why like it. I can't imagine. I would like to get in the ring and just kind of see how it feels and feel like if I can even do it after kids. I don't know, you know. Look, I don't think there's anything you can't do. No, it would just probably hurt way more, you know. In my 20s, I was like, oh, I could jump off here, do this.

Like, your adrenaline's going. I don't care about the aftermath of it, you know. Now I'm like, I get back in that, like, when I came back for the rumble, I was like, oh my gosh, how is it going to affect? Like, am I, is my neck okay? Am I back going to be okay? You know what I mean? Like, you're second guessing everything.

Back then I never second. I was like, oh, yeah, I could do that. And you're also thinking about like, oh, if I get hurt, then, like, how does that affect? About your kids? Because then you're like, oh, my gosh, am I not going to be able to, like, hold them for them for a few months or, like, carry it. You know what I mean? Like, there's just so much more.

Getting older sucks. You're still very young. And you look the same. Thank you. What would you think if your kids wanted to wrestle? You know, I fully support it. I think it would be so cool. I already feel like my daughter is the sassiest little,

like she already wrestles with her brother with Jacks. And, you know, Jacks holds his own too. So I feel like they could. How much she's winning? Yeah. She is, you know, She's the older. She's twin A.

So in the womb, she was like, took up all the room. He was, like, squished to the side. She was, you know, bigger. She was, like, you know, five ounces bigger than him. So she, I don't know. With twin, they say twin A and twin B. They say twin A is normal. The first one is always the feisty one.

You know, my son is like an angel. So. I love how much you've embraced motherhood. Yeah. Like, and this is, this is, you talk about you're a former wrestler, but like your identity now is being a mom. Yeah. And I know it's so hard for you to say yes to stuff now with how busy your schedule is. So thank you for saying yes to this.

Oh my gosh, always. I saw you at Hornswoggle's show. Yes. That was so fun. That was so fun. See, and I flew right into that because it was like in the middle. It was quite a ride from the airport. I think I had to like take two.

Yes. And I had to take two flights. I got in like right before the show started. But we met, you know, was there. We made it. Yeah. It was, I didn't even know you were on the show. And I was like, oh, you're here.

I'm here. You had this huge line of people, which is always so cool to see. It's really cool to keep doing those signings and stuff. It's fun that I'm able to do those and that people still come out to them and want to see me, you know. Of course. What does having the legends deal mean for you? What does it entail? So we just, you know, more obviously memorabilia, like they're able to like, you know, put out new things, dolls, cards, you know, stuff like that. Action fingers, video games, stuff like that. And yeah, they just have the Kelly Kelly name and I'm able to, you know, do things more with them. And yeah, it's just, it's cool to like have that title, you know, the legends.

Well, again, thank you for making this happen. Always so good to see you. Thank you. And I asked you this last time, maybe your answers are different. Yeah. We'll find out. But gratitude is such a huge thing for me. So what are three things that you're grateful for?

Gosh. Okay. My kids. My husband. And my help. It's great. Three great things. Was that probably what I said last time?

Maybe. But, you know. Again, thank you. Thank you. Great to see you. Thanks, Chris. All right, there we go. Thank you for listening to this episode and for listening all the way until the end.

Big shout out to Kelly Kelly. Barbie Blank for joining us in the studio for this one. It sounds like at some point we may see Kelly Kelly back in WWE. Even if it's just for one match or one Royal Rumble appearance, I love that idea of her kids being able to see her do her thing in the ring. Snap a screenshot and tag us. She's at the Barbie blank. I'm at Chris Van Fleet,

and we'll end this with a great quote from Albert Einstein. A person who never made a mistake, never tried anything new. Don't be afraid to try things. Don't be afraid to not succeed at it. It's not win or lose. It's win or learn. Be great and be grateful, my friends.

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