Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Ludwig Kaiser On Gunther, Dating Tiffany Stratton, Giovanni Vinci, WWE Goals, Bash In Berlin

Episode Date: February 18, 2025

Ludwig Kaiser (@WWE_Kaiser) is a professional wrestler currently signed to WWE. He sits down with Chris Van Vliet in Indianapolis, IN to discuss his journey from the German independent scene to the WWE main roster and how at one point it looked to be impossible, his partnership with and past matches against Gunther, his insane body transformation, being part of Imperium with his tag team partner Giovanni Vinci, wrestling in Berlin but not being a part of the WWE Bash in Berlin card, his recent matches against Bron Breakker and Sheamus, if he sees a breakout run coming soon, a possible babyface run, Tiffany Stratton winning the Women's Championship and more! Quote I'm thinking about: "Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it." - Ferris Bueller Please support our sponsors! PURE PLANK: The future of core fitness! Use the code CVV to save 10% on Pure Plank designed by Adam Copeland & Christian: https://gopureplank.com/?ref=tibcloux TIMELINE: Go to https://timeline.com/insight to get 10% off your order of Mitopure! VUORI: Get 20% off your first purchase! Get yourself some of the most comfortable and versatile clothing on the planet at https://vuori.com/cvv ROCKET MONEY: Join Rocket Money today and experience financial freedom: https://rocketmoney.com/cvv HUEL: Get 15% off plus a FREE Gift for NEW customers with the code INSIGHT at https://huel.com ZOCDOC: Instantly book a top-rated doctor today at https://zocdoc.com/insight BONCHARGE: Use the code CVV to save 15% off your infrared sauna blanket at https://boncharge.com/cvv BLUECHEW: Get your first month of BlueChew for FREE at https://bluechew.com RHONE: Rhone’s premium performance clothing is made to move you. Use code CVV to save 20% at https://www.rhone.com/CVV MANSCAPED: Get 20% off plus free shipping when you use the code CHRISVAN at https://manscaped.com PLUNGE: Get $150 off your Plunge with the coupon code CVV150 at https://plunge.com For more information about Chris and INSIGHT go to: https://podcast.chrisvanvliet.com If you have ever enjoyed any of these episodes, could I ask you to please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcast or Spotify? It takes less than a minute and makes a huge difference in helping to spread the word about the show and also to convince some hard-to-get guests.  Follow CVV on social media:  Instagram: instagram.com/ChrisVanVliet Twitter: twitter.com/ChrisVanVliet Facebook: facebook.com/ChrisVanVliet YouTube: youtube.com/ChrisVanVliet TikTok: tiktok.com/@Chris.VanVliet Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Van Fleet. Oh, yes, welcome back to another one here on Inside. I'm CBV. Chris Van Fleet, thank you for being with us on this one. And thank you for making Insight the number one wrestling podcast on the planet. Lay your phone down right now and hit a handspring back elbow on that follow button wherever you're listening, Spotify, Apple, or wherever it is. One, so you don't miss out on any of the episodes that we have coming up, and there's some big

guests on the way. And two, it just really helps the show continue to grow and continue to reach even more wrestling fans. And it's so easy. Just hit a button wherever you're listening. That's it. Ludwig Kaiser has been crushing it over the last year. I was so pumped to get him on the show, especially at this point in his career.

A lot of people may not realize this, but he's been in WWE since 2017. and his hard work has really been paying off recently, and I feel like he's on the cusp of something big. We've seen what he's capable of in some of these recent matches, like with Bronbreaker, or like with Seamus, or the triple threat that they had. And it might not be anytime soon, but I feel like we are in for an absolute bangor of a match

when we get Ludwig Kaiser versus Gunther. How good is that one going to be? So there was a lot of things to dive into on this one. I think this is Ludwig Kaiser's first ever, like, full-length interview in a podcast. And I'm honored that we were able to do it here. Snap a screenshot and let us know that you're listening. Tag us on social media so we can share it out. He's at WWE underscore Kaiser.

I'm at Chris Van Fleet. And ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Ludwig Kaiser. So good to see you. Thank you for making this happen. Thank you. Thank you. I'm glad it worked out. You were deceivingly tall. Yeah, a lot of people tell me when they meet me for the first time in person, they say, wow, you're taller than I thought. I'm 6'4.

I guess when you're next to Gunther for a lot of your career, he's a big dude. Yeah, he is a big dude. And yeah, he's a smidge taller, maybe, a smitch taller. I don't know. Maybe you've got to put something in your boots then. Yeah, a lot of people said that. I don't know. I feel like I would lose stability a little bit, I feel like. Maybe I just tell myself, I don't know. Lose stability, gain height. I don't know.

Yeah, but then when people see me outside, they're going to be disappointed. I don't know. They look like, I thought you're tall. Six-four is fine, but you're not a short guy either. I'm certainly not that tall. I appreciate it. That's okay.

Let's keep the facade going here. Maybe I need to put some lifts in my boots. You have cool boots on. I meant to say that. Thank you. Jordan, Ford. I don't nothing about sneakers, but I wear them because people are like, hey, those are cool.

Hey man, I got to tell you, like, as long as it looks good, you know, as a as a man with a younger girlfriend, I can tell you, don't jump on the trends. Just wear what's good, what you think is good. My girlfriend, she brings me gifts in there of the new trend brands like alo. I hope I pronounce that correctly. ALO. She's going to burn me so. Right. ALO? ALO. Is it ALO? I think so. Yeah. She bought me some stuff. It looks great and stuff. It's just. It's nothing that I would buy myself. Oh, so she's trying to be like, hey, babe, this would be great if you wore this. I think so, yeah. The thing is, too, I got to say, I am, if something looks good, I'll get it. It's, it's, it's, I'm not very brand driven. I'm very classic to, I'm not to, you're not going to see me with super colorful shoes or stuff like that.

This looks great. Thank you so very much. Very classic. I like to keep it, you know, European elegance. That's exactly what you got here. There you go. Black on black on black. A little bit of white right here.

You know, just like, you know, I'm trying my best, Chris. I'm trying my best. You had a heck of a year in 2024. Yeah. Where did you feel like it really kicked off for you? Man, it's hard to say just because, like you said, a lot of stuff happened last year. And it was a little bit of an up and down as well, you know. Really everything, I've been in the company for so long already.

It feels like everything that I ever. did or accomplished, I really had to work hard for. Nothing was given to me. And I think that definitely one of the major moments was basically right in the beginning of the year, the first few weeks, the match against Kofi Kingston. Giovanni Vinci was hurt a couple of weeks back. I think it was the thing with the drop kick to the head and all of a sudden he was out. And yeah, the way this business works, right?

All of a sudden you're in that spot and you get that chance that you haven't really gotten before. So I was told very, yeah, very, very firmly, very directly what they want to see that night. And I think it was a little bit of a test as well because they want to decide that they haven't seen from Louis Kaiser so far. And a site that comes very naturally to me and that I can, that I love. to show but it was never it was never time it was just never that spot um to really do that and as soon as i did it the first night it worked everybody saw it and um yeah i think that night definitely right in the beginning of the year was a was an important one what was this specific direction you were given for this mean streak well the thing you know um always obviously obviously when we first came in uh the focus was

heavily on Gunther. And to me, you know, I hold pride in being a good professional. Not only a good professional wrestler, but a good professional. And that means also to know your spot and know, I always try to add something to the act without taking anything away. You know, that was always my goal. And the tools that I have and that I can work with very well are perfect for what we do here for the main roster. And I found that up pretty quickly.

So I found my ways just to, you know, make myself valuable, make the act better within my, yeah, within the ways I was given or like in my, you know, as good as I could pretty much. I think people forget how long you've been in WWA. So you sign in 2018, right? Yeah. So you're coming up in seven years. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah.

It is crazy. It's been a long time. And, you know, obviously you see me, like, you can go down the career a little bit. It's NXT. It's a main roster and this and that. But so much different stuff happened as well, obviously on private base. I basically took two suitcases, put everything I had in there and left the country, left my family, left my friends, left everybody I knew. And yeah, nine years, nine years, nine hours later,

you get out of the plane and I'm in Orlando and there's a whole new chapter in front of me and there's so much stuff that I don't know what's going to happen or what it's going to be like. And it was very, very exciting. Was that your first time in the U.S.? First time in the U.S.? You hadn't even visited before? I've never visited. I had no idea how things go over here. I had no Uber. I had no credit card. I had nothing because it's not, it's not normal to have a credit card in in Germany necessarily. Really? Yeah, I was pretty broke all my life, basically.

I did my, by choice, I got to say, I could have done more on the job side, but I just always wanted to wrestle, man. I moved out when I was 18, lived under a ring for a couple of weeks at my first wrestling school, and I got my first apartment. And, man, again, like, I really had to fight hard for this. And, yeah, so that was the first time I was basically grabbing two suitcases, leaving and being all my own. And then the same thing, basically 10 years later in America, standing there, Orlando. How old was I, 28 or something?

So rewinded to, how did you even get on WWE's radar? I think definitely, what I've heard is the story that I've heard is that WWE was looking for a German wrestler. And they scheduled a tour through Germany to, you know, look at talent, go through all the different wrestling schools and stuff. And apparently Mr. William Regal, who I'm always going to be grateful for that, heard Osama name on the list. And he knew my dad. And they saw my picture. They saw everything. And he pointed on me and said, like, cancel the tour.

We'll take him. Wow. I was one of the guys, actually, I never had to do a tryout. because I was supposed to do one but two weeks, three weeks before I blew my knee out. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to say that. I'm not sure if I ever said that.

But yeah, I got injured and I had to cancel the trial. So obviously, right in the match already, I thought, oh my God, this is over. Because when I first started this, I never thought I would go to WW. It was not like my big goal to be like, okay, I got to go to WWU or otherwise

this is all for nothing. No, I wanted to do my dad proud. I wanted to be a professional wrestler. I wanted to see that. world. I wanted to do all of that, you know. But now when you got the chance, you want to do it. Is it because you didn't think it was possible? I think so, yeah, because like back in the day two, when I first grew up in wrestling, it was very, very tough, you know, honestly before Hunter had that vision and opened up that door for us, none of us, like not Gunther,

not myself, not Pete, Pete done all those guys. Finn Baller, I don't think we would be here today. So without Hunter, without men like William Regal, men like Dave Taylor, Robbie Brookside, Fit Finlay, all those guys who paved that way for us European talent, you know. I'll always be grateful for that, definitely, because without them, I don't think we would be here today. So with your dad being a pro wrestler, did you grow up around it? Very much so, yeah.

The first tapes I watched were really bad quality VHS cassettes and stuff. So I always grew up with those two sides of wrestling, basically. I did watch the Hulk Hogan's and the Razor Ramons and the Mr. Perfects. I love those. Well, I love this side of wrestling. But also, I grew up with those old tapes, very bad quality in a gigantic tent. The entire tent is full of smoke, and it's more like a football, soccer stadium kind of vibe in there, more rowdy, more, you know? I grew up with that as well.

So, yeah, my heroes growing up were guys like, you know, Sean Michaels and Brad Hart and Hall of Cogan, but there were always Axel Dita, Militzino, Steve Wright, all those guys that are not necessarily known all over the world nowadays, you know. Don't feel like there was a path before this. Like you're saying, like there wasn't a path for European wrestlers. Very tough. 10, 20 years ago.

Very tough. There's been a few, but like especially, like I said, like Mr. William Regal, he paved the way. He kind of like set the standard too. All of a sudden there was an eye for, European work. I mean, the European professional wrestlers always had a little bit of the, you know, reputation of being very solid workers, students of the game. But those guys went over there and they showed it, especially with those schedules back in the day. They really

put us on the map, you know? So if there wasn't a path to do this, how did this become your dream? I think it's one of those. I grew up with a father who was obsessed with this. Obsessed. Like, I don't think he's been married five times. He spoke five languages. He's born in 1933, very tough times in Germany, you know. And he had to run away with his family. And he actually started going to the military in France to fight against Germany. So my family was always very much in danger back then.

And so they ran away. And he was in the French Legion, being 13 years of. old. You know, he had a crazy life. So he was so proud of this. He was so proud of professional wrestling. And first things I remember is sitting in front of the TV watching his matches, you know. And yeah, I think it just, I don't know, it's in my blood. It's in my DNA. I feel like I can't even remember a day where this whole thing, this whole passion wasn't there for me. So I think it's my dad. It's definitely my dad. It's definitely, of course, my mom who put up with all that stuff for so many years first with him now with me.

No. But yeah, it's definitely him and that yeah, that will to make him proud and the first 10 years of Mercurier wrestled in his boot. They were already 30 years old at that point but I carried them for another 10. So who was Ludwig Kaiser

before WWA? I was Axel Dita Jr. Axel Dita Jr. first match in 2008 in Hamburg. We had a little bit of a scene going back then, really, like especially in North Germany. We had a little bit of stuff going. That's the first time I actually met Gunther. We basically traveled for the next 10 years all around Europe. Mostly Germany,

I would say, a little bit of Scandinavia in the first five years. And then with WXW, really popping up all of a sudden and being really hot, we had an actual two schedule. I think we almost had like 100 dates one year, which was crazy for our standards back then. Wow. It was unheard of at this point. Then I was a lot of. And I was an actual two schedule. I think we had an actual two schedule. I think we almost had like 100 dates one year, which was Then I did some progress. And then all of a sudden, like, all the American Indies kind of, there was possibilities to go there as well. But yeah, then I already got my WWU offer as well.

So I had to choose. You go way back with Gunther. Way back. I looked at it up. You had your fourth match against him. Way back. There's that throwback photo of you guys. You look unrecognizable, both of you.

Yeah. I wish that happened. I would love that hair. I had really full hair back then. Not a wrinkle in my face. Hey man, like a lot of stuff happened. That was actually the very, very first night we hung out. It was after a wrestling show and we had drinks somewhere and hung out.

And yeah, from that day on, he helped me a lot after that as well because he was already wrestling for a few years and I was just starting out. I don't think I even had my first match at that point. But yeah, that's how it all started. Could you imagine you and Gunther now going back and talking to those two guys from that photo? I was about to say he would probably be a little bit mature than I am. He probably wouldn't. Honestly, if I really think about it, he's a little older than me, but we would probably.

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Go to timeline.com slash insight 33. That's timeline, t-I-M-E-L-I-N-E dot com slash insight-33. You said your father spoke five languages. Do you speak to? I speak two, yeah. For 60 seconds, I can act like I speak Italian,

French, and Spanish, but it's really, it's really, just the first, hey, how you doing? What's your name? This and that, blah, blah. Bonjour, how's it? Yeah. It's good, yeah.

I'm a name Marseille. I'm a Russian. Yeah, this is about the end of it. A petit, a bit. A little bit. Yeah. And that's where I'm out. Yeah, same.

You know? Bonjourdo, come into your family. I don't have anything there. There you go. That's pretty good, though. Yeah. What else? What did we say Spanish?

Hello. I'm in Marseille. This is good. And all the, well, I really got to be careful because I'm friends with a lot of the Mexican boys and everything they teach me is, I shouldn't say here. You know, it's a little, sometimes I blur things out. He's like, oh, no, you can't say that here. I'm saying, well, that's all you're teaching me. You know, but yeah, no, I speak German and English. How, at what age did you learn English? Well, we learned from

third grade on, from third grade on, but obviously with my dad and then obviously, too, wrestling, wrestling is just so, so good to learn English. I, I, I, I, we learned. I, I, we learned from third grade on, I, a new words like tables, letters, chairs and all that before I even knew what, you know, what sentences are really. But, yeah, third grade on and I always was very interested in it as well because of my dad and because of wrestling, obviously. If you're learning English from wrestling, good thing you don't have a JR accent. Like Jim Ross.

That's true. That's where you're learning, you know, English from. There's a couple of accents I'm very happy that I don't have. Also the German one, as I said before, the, the, typical German accent is horrible. It makes me use. You don't have the stereotypical German accent. Trying not to have it.

You kind of have unambiguous European accent. People probably ask you all the time. Yeah, that's right. Where are you from? Yeah, well, yeah, I told you before. I'm really trying to get rid of the accent in my daily life just a little bit, just to blend in a little bit. But like the second sentence and everybody's,

oh, where are you from? Because Americans are so nice, too. They want to ask you stuff, like, you know, if you would ask somebody, how are you in Germany that you never met before? What are you trying to sell me? You know? But over here, people are just so nice and stuff. So it's, yeah, I can't really go as an American yet.

Do you think that Germans live up to the stereotype that they're not that friendly? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Why aren't you guys friendly? It's not, it is really what you see is what you get. Okay. If somebody from over there is friendly to you, they really like you. There is just, it is always straight to the point.

It is always straight to the point. There's no beating around the bush. you save things how they are and there's a lot of good things in that when it comes to conflict for example you save so much time and drama to just put your cards on the table and go like look this is my situation

this is yours I'm a big believer in that but yeah but then again man I got to tell you now having a little distance to it there's a lot of things Germans are really really annoying at Germans are very on the dot on the excuse me says this is not how you're supposed to do this This is not the pop up a bit.

Everything is regulated to the latest, like, the last little detail and everything. So, yeah, there's pros and cons wherever you go, man. And now I see the cons of Germany much more than I used to. Because you've been here seven years, so you're seeing it, right? A long time. What was the biggest adjustment to American life? Because I also, I moved here 15 years ago. But there's some, especially the first few months, I was like, oh, that's different in a good or bad way.

So many things you just don't know. I mean, I came over here. I didn't know any of the, like, fast food restaurants or something like that. Like, of course, I knew Burger King, McDonald's,

we have all that stuff. But for example, we have that LA Fitness down the road, and I thought it's called La Fitness. I have no idea. Because it's like, it's like all of a sudden you come to that, you know,

different world almost. You step in that plane and nine hours later, like all those rules and all the, all those things that you grew up with aren't different. Stuff like trying to get in an Uber and you want to sit next to, the next to the driver and he's looking at you like, oh, I'm like, that's not how you do it. In Germany, you sit next to the driver.

Stuff like that, you know, driving in Florida is something that I still can't get used to. No one will get used to driving in Florida. It's the Wild West, man. It's crazy. You can't make it up. I live there for five years. Why do people put their four ways on when it's raining? They put on their flashers when it's raining just to let people know, I'm an idiot.

Nobody's indicating nowhere. That's true. nowhere. I love this thing where you can in America just take a turn, right turn, whenever, you know, it's a red light or whatever we can still do a right time. I love this. It makes so much sense. Right turn on red, yeah. If people would like keep that lane open for the guys who actually want to take a turn, that'd be awesome. You know, stuff like that. It is just, it's horrible, man. And it's Florida. It's not America. It's Florida. Florida is kind of its own beast. It is tough. But you get great weather in Florida. Amazing. I love it. And a lot of people. complain about it. It's too humid. Man, if you're from Germany,

I'll take any heat. I don't care. I'll take anything. Because I love Hamburg. I love my home. I love where I come from. But it's like London weather. It's,

it's cloudy. It's rainy. It's cold. It's not me, man. I lived in Florida for five years, and I learned that if you have to put on a layer of clothing when you leave the house, it's quote unquote cold.

That's true. If you have to put on a hoodie, oh my gosh. Well, you get used to it so quickly. Yes. You get used to it so quickly. quickly people think, oh, you're from Germany, you must be used to it.

No, I'm not. It's horrible. I hate it. The last couple of weeks were actually quite chilly for our standards. It's like 50 degrees Fahrenheit or 60 degrees Fahrenheit. Yeah, something about that. We can speak in Celsius. I'd speak Celsius.

There you go. Yeah. Matrix system. Here we go. America's one of the only countries that uses Fahrenheit. I know. I still can tell you how much Fahrenheit is how much Celsius. It's a very strange conversion.

grams, pounds, ounces, you know. When I track my food. I have to put it in three different, three different things and stuff. You still weigh yourself in kilos? Yeah. You haven't converted to pounds. Well, it depends what I, what I'm doing for. You gave me your height in inches and.

That's true. Yeah. That's true. See, I didn't even notice that. Like I'm not 190 centimeters or whatever. See? Yeah. I didn't notice that.

Yeah. No, that's very right. The Europeans losing me, I think. So I think they're losing me. Slightly but surely. You're going to start weighing things in pounds. weighing yourself in pounds. Yeah, no.

I can't, right? I know 100 kilos is like 220, 220. That is correct. That is what I go off of and then I'm lost. I don't know. I don't know, man. I have no idea. Everyone talks about Gunther's transformation,

but the transformation that you had is very impressive. Thank you. Yeah, I've been working hard. It's, you know, every time in my career when I felt like, you know, I'm standing still here and I have to do something, because there's only so many things that are in your hands, you know? There's only so many things you control in our line of work. And my thing was always I got to make sure all my stuff is on point, 11 out of 10, you know.

So, yeah, I was looking at myself and thought, like, what else can you do? Working out a lot, I go in the ring a lot. And at this point, it was the diet that I could have worked on a little bit, I think. I got to say, too, at that point, when I lost that much weight, I really tried. to bulk as well. You know what I mean? I really tried to bulk and I really tried to get as many calories in because I worked out hard and stuff. But then, yeah, I think like 18 weeks with the reverse diet. What's a reverse diet? The reverse diet is basically not going back to you the calories that you used to eat because like, you know, you slowly, slowly, slowly go down

a little bit. You cut the carbs here a little bit. You cut the calories a little bit and then you lose weight. and then at a point when you're at the point where you are happy with the body fat percentage can slowly go up again you know because your body is so empty basically it sucks all the nutrients up so so good right and uses everything perfectly but if you all of a sudden of course starve your body for so many weeks and then go back with 5,000 calories every day then obviously you know that's not going to be good everything everything slowly up slowly down don't shock your body like that and yeah that worked very very well for me i got to say did you work were the nutritionist for that?

I did. A guy from Germany. He used to wrestle as well. I know him for a long time. And he's really good at that. So he helped me out. He helped Gunther out. He helped a bunch of the guys out.

You're like top three shredded abs right now. Thank you. Right? Thank you. Well, you know, I'm trying. I'm trying. I think my entire look is thankfully very, very fitting to what I do. I think it complements what I do in the ring and stuff.

I am never going to be, you know, Hulk Hogan, mid-80s or something like that, that volume and all that. But I'm a different type, and I think that the adjustments that have been doing really complemented that too. It's lean and mean. That's what it is. Thank you, man. I appreciate that a lot. I know you're fit as well. I try, but I don't have abs like that. Well, you know, it's everybody. What's the secret? Hey, man, at the end of the day, first of all, everybody has, you know, genetics a little better in this area or in this area you know it's maybe a little bit

easier for me to to see my abs then for Gunther for example just because we're so different just different bodies you know body types but yeah at the end of the day you know no matter what people tell you at the end of the day it's discipline it sounds boring but it's discipline it's hard work it's you know how do you say the way continuity just continuously doing the same thing all over again. Yeah. Consistency. Consistency.

That's what I was looking for them. Yeah, that's what it is. What's the meal that you crave the most? Honestly, that's the thing with me too. I'm eating relatively flexible. As long as you have to write numbers at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter too much for me. So a lot of people think that I'm like starving myself and stuff.

I'm not. You're going to see me whenever we have the West Coast loops. You see me at in and out. I'll eat burgers. I'll eat fries. You can get the, what is it, animal, animal style. Animal style. It's not a problem. It's not a problem. You just got to, you got to hit the right numbers at the right days and stuff. You know, how much activity do you have those days? You know, how much did you eat the day before? Well, it's not that. It's not that crazy. And at the end of the day, too, we're not body bullets, you know. It is not that important if I have a body fat percentage of 10 or 12%. You're not. not bodybuilders, but you stand out there in your underwear for the world to see.

True, yeah. You know, for 5 million people on Netflix to see you guys. Right. So you do want to have it dialed in. 100%. Yeah. And I do try to, you know, we have a couple of friends who are actually actively in the, in that scene of bodybuilding and stuff.

And I try to, you know, take whatever I can use from them. But it's just, yeah, with our schedule, not doable the way they do it. That's a 24-7 job, you know. But yeah, there's definitely elements that I can. steal and juice from them. Who eats cleaner? You or Tiffany? I do.

She doesn't eat clean? I do. She does. She has a bigger sweet tooth than I do, I think. To me, to me it's easier to not do something and just say, like, no, I'm not going to do it. Than to stuff myself. Stuffing myself is tough. Like, bulking and all that stuff to me was tough.

I felt miserable. But, yeah, I don't think that would be a problem for her. But she's a strong girl, you know? Like if she really would want to, her bulk would go crazy. Sure. She builds muscle well. You know what I mean? She has that muscle foundation already.

That's, you know, very impressive. Yeah, she could, she could go, definitely, if she wanted to. How did you two meet? Man, on the PC, basically. We know off each other. Obviously, I've been there for a while. And, yeah, she got my attention a little bit. So was it like first day she got there?

you were like, oh, who's that? Well, I would lie if I would say I wouldn't have noticed her. I have noticed her. How long from noticing her to... Took a while. How long was a while? I want to say maybe something between four and six months. Okay.

Let it be three to six months, something like that. But you would say hello and... Yeah. Yeah, sometimes you would. Sometimes you would. I think we kind of played the same game a little bit. You know what I'm saying? We are very similar in a lot of ways.

We are both pretty stubborn or we can be pretty stubborn, I think. And I think nobody wanted to make the first step, really. But then, yeah, like, you know, coincidences. I was out with a couple of friends, and she was there as well. It was her birthday weekend. And she sat down. And then I don't know how it went, but somehow we got to that, hey, why don't we go on a date?

wasn't it like rock paper scissors yeah yeah one of us said like well you gotta ask me I said you gotta ask me and then we played rock paper scissors over that and um I lost on purpose so I can ask her off over a day that's how you do it smooth that's how you do it man give her the win and then win in the end lude rig lewd risz lewler Kaiser yeah that's it yeah I've read that a couple of times after I did the interview with Tiffany that that's what people were calling you hey man at the end of the day, it really, it was just, it was meant to happen, I feel like. If it wouldn't have been that night, then it would have been somewhere else, I think. And how long have you been together now? Oh, three years now. Hey, that's awesome. And we kept it a little, thank you. We kept it a little,

what means we kept it a little bit with this? I don't believe in selling a relationship to the, to the public, you know, it's going to come out. People are going to see us. We're both in public a lot, especially together, so people are going to see it. I can be convinced for a little TikTok here and there. She gets me in for a little TikTok here and there. You don't look like you enjoy them. Well, you know, I am naturally, I'm not a social media guy, really. I am not naturally the type of guy who, you know,

posts selfies of him or something. I don't know, I never really. I don't think I would even have social media on a private base if I wouldn't be a professional wrestler. That was my reason. My very first post was, I think, something WXW back in the day, in my first Instagram post. I don't know, man.

I like to use it. I just don't like to take part in it. I like to watch the other ones going crazy. I don't think people knew that you guys were a couple till the red carpet for Bianca and Montez's show. I think there was the first official official, like WWE date together as well. Oh, but at that point we've been dating for a long time.

But that was like the first time I think people had seen you together at a WWE event with lots of cameras. And they went, oh, I didn't know. know that. Before I met you for the first time, actually. Yeah, true. I remember that. That was great.

It's, to me, it was important that it's organic. I didn't, I don't believe in this whole, you know, I have a relationship with somebody that I actually truly like. And the first thing that I'm going to think of is like, you know, how can I produce that into a post on social media? You know what I mean? That's not my priorities, I think. But I think we found a great way.

It's tough, you know, it's very tough with our schedules. We're on different shows. It's not easy. But we make it work and we're doing a really good job at it, I think. Do a lot of fans just come up to you and just want to ask about your girlfriend? No. You're at a good point then. No, no, not really.

Mostly little girls. Oh, of course. Literally just checking in, a little girl came up to me, asked me, are you Tiffany's or Tiffie's, are you Tiffie's boyfriend? So, yes, I am. So cute. Yeah, more of that, more that, I think. You guys are both in such phenomenal shape.

Thank you. Who is objectively in better shape? I think, I think objectively in better shape. I think she is probably. You can make a real strong case for both. Yeah, but this girl has done it all, man. She's been on the bodybuilding stages. She's done CrossFit.

And, you know, she knows how to suffer. She knows how to pull through, you know. When she was out for a while, We actually worked really hard on her comeback together, and we would jump in the ring in Orlando. And, you know, she doesn't come from wrestling, and obviously I didn't make it harder than it had to be. But coming back from an injury, it's tough, man. It's going to suck. And you're going to have to grit your teeth and pull through.

And I made her pull through, and she did pull through, and she did amazing. And she really grew a lot in that phase, I think. And, yeah, so that's what we do as well. We also, we also, you know, trade together, we work together. We basically do everything together. What was the celebration after she won the championship? I was awesome. I actually flew in because it was a huge, huge moment, obviously.

I was there for her NXT championship win back then. So I really wanted to be there as well. And, you know, we have such an amazing product, especially now. But the only thing that really doesn't do justice, I feel like, is the reaction and the way things, sound when you're actually there life. Like that moment when she actually turned on Naya was crazy. You got to, like you had to be there in order to understand that that was really a huge moment, you know. Really doesn't do it justice on TV.

But yeah, it was amazing. I'm so happy for her because I've been there for the for the lows. I've been there for the highs. I've seen it all very up close. And we, she, she created something there. She definitely, she's doing amazing. So what that night looked like? What did you guys do to celebrate?

We actually had drinks after. That's a thing too. Like a lot of, it's tough for us. It's like midnight, right? It is midnight, everything is closed, this and then. Then we go back to the hotel. And then obviously everybody wants something from her. And she has it.

Until we get out there, it's like, it's midnight. It's 1 a.m. or something like that. But we did have a drink and we celebrated it. And yeah, very, very good night. I feel like your moment like that is just, around the corner. Yeah, I think it's definitely there. We're moving towards it, 100%. You know, being in the biggest and best company in the world when it comes to professional wrestling also means that you're facing the biggest and best competition in the world. That's just how

it is, you know? And I'm not afraid of that. I've never been afraid of that. I've been wrestling for 10 years before I made it here and I restarted my career. I went all the way down to the first step off the ladder again and climbed all the way up there. I did everything again. And to me, it is head down and work hard, you know. But I've heard a lot of people talk about the frustrations of having to spend that much time in the PC, that much time in NXT, especially when you have the experience that you had. Yeah. Did you think that it wasn't going to happen at some point? Well, it's easy to get lost in that, right? It is easy to get lost in that, especially, look, you're not from America. You left everything at home. You left, you know, basically everything you

had there and started a new life basically. So obviously there's always a little bit of a pressure, pressure-ish feeling behind that. But again, to me, it was always about everything that is in your hands has to be 101%. Don't give them any reason not to see that you have got everything it takes to become a major player. And I've said that before to a lot of people, especially when I came up to the main roster within the first weeks, being in the company for seven years already, or six years or something like that, I realized what we do up here, that is me. That is me, that is the worker that I am, the professional wrestler that I am. This is tailor made for me. Luther Kaiser, I got everything it takes to become a major player up here. And that was such a

new motivation, I almost said after those years to say, listen, man, now, now it's all. on nothing and that's what I've been doing. Since then, every ball that's thrown at me and knock it out of the park and yeah, 1001% and everything that I can control, you know. I feel like you've really improved your facial expressions. You think so? They're great.

I'm trying. Even just the littlest like, like just one of those, give me one of those. That's it. Yeah, you know, I think even back in the day with WXW, and stuff, all the parts that are, like acting is involved and all of that were always fun to me.

And I think that I always did a good job in that too. And obviously, like, coming to the main roster, that's a whole different game all of a sudden. It's much more important all of a sudden, even more important than in NXT, I feel like. As soon as I had some time on the microphone, for example, all of a sudden people were coming up to me. So, wow, you've got great promos.

I said, yeah, I've been always cutting good promos. That was always my thing, basically, back then already, but nobody really saw it. And then I got the chance to do it. And I'm very comfortable with that, especially nowadays too, because Ljupikaiser and that whole name change and everything, too, gave me a chance to really do what I want to do. Who am I? What do people think of me when they see me for the first time? Because that is one of the things that I'm definitely gifted with. a crowd I stepped in front, then you right away who I am.

Then you right away, man, we don't like this guy. We're going to boo this guy out of the building. And I learned that very quickly. And I learned to use that for my advantage. And, you know, yeah, it's definitely a powerful tool. Would you ever want to work as a baby face? You know what? I never say never.

Never say never. I do believe that I can work baby face. I'm actually, I think that I could be a good baby face. that had a good baby face run in me. But you're such a good heel. Well, even when I was in Germany and I was a baby face, I was never the 100% of the crowd is on my side baby face. I was always very polarizing, very, you know,

people really hated me or they really liked me. Most of the times the kids and the women like me and the man hated my guts, hated my guts. There was a time in WSW where I was supposed to be that baby face runner up and they hated it. They hated. It was like 80, 80% against 20% really, like, killing me out there. But yeah, I do think I got it in me. First of all, though, I got to knock this heel thing out, be natural and be happy who I am

because it comes obviously much more, much more natural to me. There's something about when you grab the mic, the crowd's already booing you, right? And then you start talking and it gets much worse. Yeah, it's what sucks in private life is my, is my, Yeah, my money in wrestling. People don't like me when they first meet me. I got to make a conscious effort to show you who I am and show that I'm actually, actually can be a nice guy.

Oh, but look, people are seeing even from this interview right now. Who you are sitting here is so vastly different from the character. Yeah, yeah. And still, I think, you know, and that is, I think, one of the secrets in the professional wrestling as well, still people know, looking at me right now, they know why they don't like me. They still look at me and they go like, oh, man,

I've seen this whole different side of him, but I still don't like him. No. I look at him, which is very good. It is very good. I'm happy that it is that way. But this comment section is going to be filled with like, you made me like Ludwood Kaiser.

Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Is that a bad thing? I don't know. I'll let them watch the next Monday night raw on Netflix next Monday, and then they're going to hit me again. There it is. Get it done.

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Do you think at some point you and Tiffany would be together or doing something? I don't know. Obviously, that's something that would have to happen organic. I wouldn't want to do that just to do that. Obviously, we work in the same company and that possibility is given. But yeah, I'm also, I like to keep my private, private. You know what I mean? I'm a little old school maybe when it comes to that.

But no, definitely when it comes to work, obviously. Yeah, I think we could do some great stuff. We could bring the mixed match challenge back. That's right. You know, some gold there maybe. That could be good. Who knows? Who knows?

What did it mean to you to wrestle L.A. night in Germany? It was great. It was awesome just because, too, man, I wrestled all over Germany, really. I wrestled in front of, I think the first show that my mom came to see me was in front of 30 people in a garage, really crazy. And now to, you know, bring her to Berlin. Lynn and she walks into that Uber arena and she sees me wrestle this. Man, I get goosebumps thinking about that. It was crazy because my mom helped me so much during my career, man.

My mom gave me like the last 20 bucks out of her wallet to send me to wrestling school and stuff. It's amazing to see all those, even like friends too have seen me struggle back then, you know, come on, man, get aside jobs and I want to wrestle. I'll just going to wrestle. If I'm 45 and I live up the government and my body is broken, at least my best. years I used for what I loved and what I wanted to do. And that was my number one thing, you know. That's actually why I also believe everything worked that way because I genuinely always did it for the love of the game, do my dad proud. I've never did it for money or for fame or anything like that. So obviously coming back to Germany then in front of all my people

there was insane, man. Awesome. Your dad didn't get a chance to see you wrestle on WWA. Unfortunately not. No, he saw me wrestle a couple of times. But I know for my dad, that would have been the absolute greatest to see me on the television. I'm sure he's very proud of you. And see me. He used to live in Florida, actually, for a while. So I even could have brought him over.

Yeah, he missed that by a few years, unfortunately. That's very full circle that he was in Florida, and now you're in Florida living your dream. It's crazy, right? It's amazing. He used to show me pictures of him swimming with dolphins when he first married my mom. And, man, like fast forward.

I don't know, 25 years later, I'm in Orlando. Wow. Crazy, right? That's amazing how life works out. Yeah, it's insane. It's amazing how life lines you up to be exactly where you're supposed to be at the exact right time. 100%.

If you work hard enough to get there, I feel like, you know, the harder I work, the more everything falls into place, the lucky I get. More opportunities you get. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, yeah, it's always a little bit both. It's always the work and it's always done, you, you know, getting your butt up and do stuff and then obviously opportunity and a little bit of luck as well.

Yeah. What is it about those European crowds? They're insane. You know what, man, I got to say, I think it's heavily football slash soccer driven. I think the culture, it's such a deep-rooted culture in Europe. I got to say, too, you have to separate the European crowds a little bit because they're very different. That's true.

My favorite ones, I hope my fellow Germans don't hate me, but the best crowds are. are the British and Irish crowds, I would say. Absolutely crazy. Mental and they're so great. They have such a deep fan culture from football and stuff. They come up with songs on the spot. I've been called things there. I've wrestled there for the first couple of times.

I've been called all sorts of things over there. And they put it in melodies and everybody knows the songs all of a sudden. It's crazy. Then you got Italy, for example. Italy is like, you know, they're like from the south. very, you know, emotional and very, you know, they very loud and very, but almost uncontrollable. It's very, you know. And Germany is a, I got to tell you, Berlin really, really showed up.

They really showed how it's done because normally it can be tough for us in the German, on a German product. Because German people, much different to the English people who pay their money and they're just excited and they wait and they give me something to react. Germans are more like, well, I have paid good money here. so show me, entertain me. You know, that's more like a demanding, you know, demanding situation there,

but Berlin was just amazing, so they really showed they can do it. Did you fight hard to try to be on that card? I did fight for it. I did, there were conversations about it, and there were also, you know, it wasn't really clear if it would happen or not. But again, it's tough, man.

It's a appeal. we have so much stuff. If you look at the card that night, it is almost impossible to even get on there. It's like so much star power. And again, we have the greatest superstars in the world. And when I look at that card, I understand why we weren't on that card that night.

But a damn well know I will be. I will 100% be, you know what I mean? Because Germany showed out that night and it's a great market for the company. And yeah, it's my first time there with WWU, really. You know, there's a lot of, a lot of shows to come and a lot of opportunities. And I can definitely promise you Libri Kaiser is going to use all of those. You had a banger with Seamus.

Thank you. Yeah, that was something special. Seamus is special, man, you know. Obviously, we're talking about a future Hall of Fame. We're talking about someone. that I've watched as a teenager, you know. But also, Seamus is someone who's a, he's a tough, nasty guy to work with. Because if you don't stomp this guy into the ground, he is going to come back up.

You can't catch your breath with this guy, you know, because he really is everything he says he is. He is that crazy Irish man who loves to fight and goes out there and come back all bloody. And, you know, he loves that. He loves to go to war. And it triggers something in me that really wants to punch his head in. So I really don't get tired of wrestling this guy. It's fun. But I'm also pissed off fighting him because it is a war.

It is a war with him. I got to tell you, though, one of the greatest matches of my career so far. And I love to do it again whenever I can smash this. Oldsman's head in, I will do it again. Does anybody hit harder than Gunther? Oh, Gunther. I mean, look, man, he's, he's there for a reason. He is, he's, he's, he's, he's the real deal. No, he has gigantic hands as well, you know.

Man, he chops so hard. He does, yeah, he does. Are they the hardest chops you've ever taken? Yeah, yeah, definitely. Loudest ones and the ones that go really through you and stuff, yeah, most definitely. I think I got chopped basically all over the world by him. Yeah, you know, that didn't happen for a while, which I'm glad about your...

It's better to be on Gunder's side than against him, you know? Who knows, though, at some point? Yeah, you know, we... As a European, I'm obviously my fellow European and one of my best friends, I'm loyal, you know? That's what you say now. I'll play back this interview clip and whenever that happens if you ever turn on him. I couldn't know.

Or if he ever turns on you. I don't think so, you know. I was about to say never say never, but of course, in this case, I would say I would never turn on. Does he not have a championship that perhaps you would like? You know, it's always about prioritizing. And, you know, I know that Gunther would do the same thing for me, you know. And I don't see. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That triple threat match was fantastic. Thank you. What did that one mean to you? Um, well, it was my first PLE. Um, it was, um, it was a great crowd that night.

It was, um, interesting program. It was an interesting rivalry, I think, because we had obviously, um, Shamis in there, who's extremely popular, you know. We have Braun Breaker in there who was extremely popular as well. And then we have the only bad guy in there, me obviously, that everyone hated. So it was a very interesting dynamic. And obviously both of those guys, I got to work with them a bunch actually. And they're both great. Brownbreaker, obviously, a massive talent. I don't think I've ever seen an athlete like him who could actually transition into the whole thinking and understanding of professional wrestling that fast. It was very, very good.

And yeah, it was fun. It was a great night. I'm rarely happy with my performances and matches, but I got to say that night, we really did a good job. It seems like all three of you brought out the best in each other. like just putting all three of you together, it was firing on all cylinders. Yeah, I think that's also because of the dynamic was, the dynamic was right.

The setup for it was right because we all wrestle each other, basically a couple of times before, you know, and all those matches were like so different, but, you know, I would interfere in a bronze match and then Seamus would interfere in our match. And it's like this, yeah, this, I think a lot of times triple threats can be a little weird, even like to wrestle them.

but in this case it just made so much sense and it was perfect and it actually helped the entire story, I think. When Braun's running around the ring and gives you that spear, how much did that hurt? Yeah, it hurts. Well, it's in there, man.

He's intense. He's fast. He's running like 40 miles an hour. His acceleration is good. He's explosive, you know? He's really explosive. And yeah, he's coming in, he's coming in hot, definitely.

But that was not the only thing that hurt that night. I can tell you that much. I can tell you who got hurt that night. I was Seamus. Then I whacked out of him with that chelaley. I've been looking forward to that. I can tell you that much.

Man, there's a lot of stuff in me that I had to let go, you know, and those seconds I let it go. Gotta tell you, though, this tough bastard, though. Back there, he was still standing and everything and everything. Nothing was wrong. This guy, telling you, you can't keep him down. Can't keep him down. When you dodged that spear from Brombreaker,

and he just plowed full force into the announce table. Did you kind of look back at that and go, oh, damn. Man, funny enough, I had no idea because I was sitting with my back to him. And I literally, he's so fast. Again, he's so fast. My only thing was I had to get up real quick and I kicked his leg out. And while kicking his lack out, obviously I go back as well. And he's so fast that he hit that table before I even got to turn around.

So I didn't see. He hit the corner of the table. It looked crazy. I saw it afterwards. that did look crazy. Yeah, again, another time where he's proven that he is a great athlete, man. I think other people would have probably died there. Yeah, or been, like, really injured.

Yeah, he's tough, man. He's one of a kind, definitely. That's crazy. So if 2024 was such a big year for you, what's the goal here in this year? You know, I think I've been going up and I've been getting better. And I've, I gotta say, too, man. I can't even complain because whenever I've been in the ring with anyone last year, it was only top guys.

So I can't really, I can't complain. I can't say that I'm not happy with this year because, like I said, there's all those names that I wrestled with big names. I wrestled Randy Orton. I wrestled John Cena in India. I wrestled Shamess a bunch of times. Kofi Kingston. So many guys, you know.

You wrestled CM Punk at Madison Square. I wrestled CM Punk. What a way to end the year, you know? I rested CM Punk and the Madison Square Garden. So if you would have told me that 10 years ago, you know. So it was a great year. But obviously, man, look, my eyes on the price. So again, I know Ludwig Kaiser has got everything that it takes to become a major player.

And that is definitely what I see at the end of the tunnel. Become a major player, whatever that is in this company. I'm going to put my stamp on this. I'm going to definitely, I want to set some records. I'm the only German over here. know what I mean? It's a huge deal. If you would have told somebody 10 years ago, it's going to be a German over there. You know, being in the Royal Rumble or like being in a WrestleMania or stuff like that was unimaginable, not heard of, you know. So there's so much

for me to achieve. And people forget, too, it's only been one year. It's only been one year. One year is a single star on the main roster. And one year that you can really count for me. So, man, everything is, everything is going in the right direction. You can be sure I, I'm always going to be ready. and I'm going to keep working forward to that. And I'm sure 2025 is a big year for Olympic guys. The Undertaker sees something in you. Did you see this very nice praise that he gave you?

I did, yeah. I talked to him as well. You did. Yeah, goosebumps, man. That is, those are the moments where you really go, hey, man, somebody pinch me because that's crazy. Undertaker, he's such a great guy, you know. He is really.

It's very kind. Yeah, but also he tells you exactly what you need to hear. And I appreciate that because a lot of people sugarcoat, you know, it doesn't help me. You can't help me if you're going to beat around the bush. And he wasn't mean or anything. But he said on the point what he thinks I should do. And it was something that I felt myself anyway. And he just reassured me, you know.

It was one of those meetings in life where you go like, man, if that wouldn't have happened, who knows? Great. And then him just, you know, actually, I think we talked like 20 minutes or something, like taking time and actually like, you know, being somewhat invested in that, which he wouldn't have to do. He's the undertaker, you know. But yeah, I don't think I could get any bigger praise than something like that from the undertaker. I meant a whole lot to me. And then now you have to live up to it. Yeah, now I have to live up with it.

But that's the thing too, right? Look, man, I'm really trying. Like, whenever I go out there, I'm prepared. That's the number one thing. I'm sure it's the same for you. when you're prepared, then you can rely on your skill, and then you're going to be good. It's going to work out one way or the other.

You know what I mean? If you have a skill problem, that's when it gets problematic, because if you can rely on your own skill, then that's... It's been fun watching you out there. Thank you. I mean this in the best way.

It's fun to boo you. Thank you. Like, it's really fun. As soon as your music hits, we don't like that guy. And I can tell that you're just, you have such a passion for it. And that just oozes through

with everything you do that means a lot man thank you so i can't wait to see what's next for you and i'm so glad we were able to sit down and do this congratulations on all of this the success thus far but i'm excited for what's next for you trust thank you so very much man means a lot thank you and i will end this uh with the question i ask everybody at the end because gratitude's so big for me i wake up i say out loud three things i'm grateful for i do it before i go to sleep with my wife what are three things that you're grateful for in your life right now um i'm grateful for for my family, grateful for my friends, and I'm grateful, man, for my life,

for everything, the way it happened and the way it came together and the way that I am allowed to live and that I've been given is just amazing and I would have never thought that 10 years ago, so yeah, just my life in general. Amazing, well, great to see you, man. Great to see you. Thank you so much, Chris. Now, thank you.

Appreciate you. All right, there we go. Thank you for being with us. And thank you for listening all the way until the end. And who knows more about gratitude than a guy who literally says in his promos, I demand all of your gratitude. I'm not doing that any justice. You know what I'm talking about here.

So great to sit down with Ludwig Kaiser and to see who the man is behind the guy who we love to boo. But how can you boom after this conversation, right? He's just a great dude. He's amazing. and so insanely talented in the ring. And I'm glad that over the last year or so, we've really been able to see what he's capable of. 2025, I feel like, is going to be huge for him.

Snap a screenshot, tag us. Let us know you're listening. Let us know what stood out for you the most from this one. He's at WWE underscore Kaiser. I'm at Chris Van Fleet. And I love this quote. And I love this movie. It's from Ferris Bueller.

You know the quote, but it's nice to have the reminder here. life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. It's so good. Be great. Be grateful. We will see you on the next one for some more insight.

We've got the road dog joining us on Thursday. Such a great conversation with him. We'll see you right back here on Thursday for that one. The Hammer Alley podcast, an 80s flashback mockumentary. Back in the 80s, there were a thousand bands trying to make it in the world of rock. But there was one band that had it all.

Hammer Alley. Whatever happened to Hammer Alley? How did they go from top of the rock? I'm looking for a music video. They're a band from 1987. Hammer Alley. Ever heard of them? To Rock Bottom.

Dude, I was born in 1987. I can't believe he's doing this. Hammer Allie. Follow and listen on your favorite platform.