Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Paige VanZant from UFC to Bare Knuckle FC, meeting with WWE at the Performance Center, how she stays so positive

Episode Date: February 4, 2021

Paige VanZant talks to Chris Van Vliet from her home in Coconut Creek, Florida ahead of her Bareknuckle FC debut against Britain Hart at KnuckleMania. She talks about her first memories of fighting and why she was drawn to it, being trained by Hall of Famer Ken Shamrock, getting signed to UFC at 19 years old, why she felt that Bareknuckle FC was the best choice for her to go after UFC, how different the training is for Bareknuckle compared to MMA, what her husband Austin Vanderford's thoughts were when she told him she wanted to sign with BKFC, the conversations she's had with WWE and her visit to the Performance Center, appearing on Chopped and Dancing With The Stars and much more!  Support the show by supporting our sponsors! Get your energy back, sleep better, and block out the unhealthy effects of blue light with BLUblox. Get free shipping worldwide and 15% off by going to https://blublox.com/CVV or enter code CVV15 at checkout. If you enjoyed this episode, could I ask you to please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcast/iTunes? It takes less than a minute and makes a huge difference in helping to spread the word about the show and also to convince some hard-to-get guests.  For more information about Chris and INSIGHT go to https://chrisvanvliet.com  Follow CVV on social media:  Instagram: instagram.com/ChrisVanVliet Twitter: twitter.com/ChrisVanVliet Facebook: facebook.com/ChrisVanVliet YouTube: youtube.com/ChrisVanVliet Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to the show. If you're new here, I'm Chris Van Fleet, a four-time Emmy Award-winning TV host, and I'm fascinated with how people are wired to achieve greatness. On each episode of Insight, we have in-depth conversations and reverse engineer the habits and techniques. of the world's top. Athletes, actors, entrepreneurs, fighters, you name it. If they are the best at what they do, I want to get their insight so we can apply it to our own lives. And I'm pretty excited about this one today because we have a bona fide bad ass on the show. You probably know Paige Van Zant

from her time in UFC. And she got signed to UFC when she was just 19 years old, had her first fight there when she was 20. And now she's about to make her debut for Bare Knuckle FC. And you want to talk about fate. Listen to this. This is how her career started. Her dad was an MMA fan

and she decided to enroll at a gym in Reno, Nevada where she was living. Oh, that gym? That MMA gym happened to be owned by UFC Hall of Famer, Ken Jamrock. Crazy. We talk about her UFC career,

what her training looks like now, why she decided to choose bare knuckle over all of the other options. One of those options was WWE. We talk about her meeting with WWE, her trip to the Performance Center, and how maybe, you know, we might see her in a WWE ring one day. And a huge thank you to my friend Jonathan Rodriguez from TFC Marketing, and they are marketing and e-commerce wizards there. They've been working really closely with Paige Van Zandt and her teams. So I super appreciate that they connected us together. And if you have an e-commerce business and you want to take it to the next level, TFC marketing, they're the

people you need to see. You can find them online at TFC dot marketing or on Instagram at TFC marketing. And while we're talking about social media, take a screenshot of this, tag us on there so we can share it. I'm at Chris Van Vleet and pages at Page Van Zant and hit subscribe so you don't miss out on any more insight. See what I did there? If you haven't to be listening on Apple Podcasts, I will be forever indebted to you if you could leave a review on there. This one's from Larry Field's 1990. He says, best podcast in the world. I've been doing gig work such as DoorDash and Uber Eats for years, and podcasts have been

my lifesaver. CVV, you've taken it to another level from the great guests, your amazing talent, from the interviewing standpoint. I've been only listening for a year now, and I'm listening to back-to-back episodes from the beginning till now. Just catching up. keep up the good work, and I hope you can get that sweet, sweet Vince McMahon interview one day. Five stars, best in the world. Well, I hope I get that Vince McMahon interview as well one day.

But thank you so much, Larry, and thank you for taking the time out of your day to leave that review. And I'm going to keep reading one on every single episode until we get to 2,000 reviews. My goal is to get there by my birthday, May 19th. So whichever one comes first, I'm hoping it's the 2,000 reviews. And there is so much positivity and so much infectious energy in this chat. you're going to love this. Please welcome Paige Van Zant. PVZE in the house. Yeah, how's it going? I'm doing great. Thank you so much for making the time to do this. You've got a lot going on right now, so I appreciate you carving out a little bit of time for this. For sure. Thank you. You're getting ready for a big fight. You're getting ready for this big fight. I mean, as we speak right now, it's about a week away. How are you feeling?

I feel great. Honestly, yeah, we're one week out. It's crazy. It's even if it's, it's, even if it's, right now it feels like the biggest fight of my entire career. I feel like the most pressure on me, the most like adrenaline, it feels really good. A lot of eyeballs on you for this because I don't know if people expected you at this stage of your career to be going into bare knuckle. No, they didn't. And I feel like that was a little bit a part of my appeal to go to bare knuckle because I knew it would make some big waves. I knew I was going to shock a lot of people by signing with them over, you know, other organizations. And I definitely think I did that. So what, what do your days look like right now? I'm imagining that you probably just trained a few hours ago

and here we are squeezing this in. Yes. So days right now. So typically leading up to the fight all the way from like eight weeks out, I'm training anywhere from two to three times a day. And then as it gets a little closer now that I'm getting my weight down, it's very like specific training. And then, of course, lots of cardio, lots of getting the weight and check, and then making sure I'm staying as safe as possible in training, too, to not get, like, injured before the fight. So super specific training right now. So you've relocated to Florida. Is training in Florida any different? You know what? That was one of my questions going into, like... It's very humid. I used to live there. It is very human here, but honestly, the training, like, it's really, it's almost comforting to know that

the training here, I'm training just as hard as I ever have. Um, But now it's like I have the high-level coaching, like extremely high-level coaches in this industry that I've trained to champions. Now they're going to be in my corner. They're my coaches. They're getting me ready for whatever happened. So it's a really big confidence booster, I would say, being at such a high-level gym. And how different does training look getting ready for a bare-knuckle fight versus getting ready for an MMA fight? It's a big difference.

I will say I almost like this training better, though. this is something that I've talked to Tiago Alves with. He's fight. He also fights for bare knuckle and he's my teammate and one of my coaches and corners. And, you know, he has said, you know, his body almost feels better just doing boxing because it's the grappling and the wrestling where you feel like you cannot walk after practice. There are certain things and like certain, like, you'll get yourself in like different entanglements and you'll get like stretched out in these crazy positions. Whereas in boxing, you're not doing that. So I do feel like my body, I can push so much harder when it's

just boxing. Do you remember what the first bare knuckle fight that you watched was and what your reaction was to it? Yes. So actually, the first bare knuckle match that I watched was for BKFC. I was curious about Beck Rawlings, one of my old opponents in the UFC going into it. And I watched her fight. And I was like, holy cow, this is like, this is legit. This is awesome. And, and this is going to be you now. Are there, are there any fears as you go into this fight? Of course, there's the fear, you know, there's general nerves, but it's the exact same as going into any fight. For me, there isn't more fear or more nerves knowing that it's a bare knuckle match. Um, there's a sense of relief lifted, knowing that taking away the wrestling, which has kind of been, you know, known as my

downfall in the UFC is my wrestling never really was up to par. Whereas now I don't necessarily have to worry about that. So it is a sense of relief in that sense. But I also put the exact same amount of pressure on myself for every fight. So same, same nerves, same like nervous energy. But I imagine most of the training you're doing, most of the sparring you're doing, you're wearing some sort of gloves, right? Yes, most of the time. So all sparring, we wear gloves always. for different like pad sessions, we'll actually take the gloves off and go bare knuckle just to,

you want to be able to feel what it's going to feel like when you hit somebody. It's not going to be a shock to your hands, a shock to you. So it's very specific training. And I'm super fortunate that I'm at a gym with coaches

who I don't have to think about those things. They thought it through for me. I just do what they say and they kind of have prepared the way for me. I'm not the first person for my gym to compete for BKFC. So it's kind of, we have a cool little program going on.

So if we take this back, Paige, who was Paige Van Zand before you found fighting? Oof, okay, I was talking to somebody about this today. What did I do before fighting? I was a dancer. My dancer was always very competitive. I was still the same athlete. I had the same drive. It was just in a different sport.

So competitive dancing, super driven at that kind of stuff. But, yeah, before fighting, I don't know. I guess I didn't really know what I wanted to do with my life. And now I feel like I finally do. What did you think you were going to be? I didn't know. You know, I went to college early, which was, I was, you know, super gifted academically, which was great, but I didn't know what to apply that in.

So I went to college when I was 16. What? Yeah, I went to college. I was going to college. But it didn't mean anything because I changed my major four times. So within that time, I went from a nursing major, culinary arts, physical education, and business is what I ended on. So I kind of, I didn't know what I, I knew I was passionate about a lot of things,

but I didn't know what I really wanted to do. Yeah, you really ran the gamut of like the possible career options. I did, but, you know, looking back at it, now, you know, I was in the like physical education, which is what I do. I did culinary arts. I've been on shops, the cooking show. So I've been able to like kind of touch upon each of the different majors that I thought I would go into.

I skipped one grade. So I feel like we have that in common. I skipped one grade. I went to college one year early. But I can't imagine going, I guess you would have been three years early. No, it was just two years for me. Whatever the cutoff was, I was just two years early. So when everybody else is being able to, I guess they're not able to drink really for many years. But they're like just at a different, you might be at the same level as them academically, but socially maybe you're not. No, I was really lucky. I actually went to, I went into it. It was like a community college program. So I wasn't had to. university. It wasn't that kind of like environment, which was nice. It was a very like, I feel community college is like a more focused environment. Everyone just kind of does their own thing. So I don't know how many people actually knew I was in high schools, technically by age. I don't think people really knew. It's a probably, you probably weren't telling people either, which is, you know. No, I kept that a secret. Right. And hunting, hunting is a big part of your, you know, time growing up as well. What specifically were you hunting for? You know what? And this is funny. hunting, like people think it's, think it's hunting. But actually, my grandparents were managers

of a gun range. So I did most of my shooting at a gun range, not actually hunting for animals. So it was, I was on a shooting team in middle school for a little while. It was mostly target, target hunting. So what kind of guns were you shooting? Um, so when I was in, uh, middle school, they were called air rifles. And then I've shot, I pretty much shot everything. Shot guns. We, When your grandparents manage a gun club, we shoot everything. But you have been hunting, right? No, I haven't. Really?

No, and you know what? And this is embarrassing because my friend is 12 gauge, but I don't know that I could kill anything. I truly don't. I don't know that I could take the life of an animal. And I am extremely tough. And if it came down to it, if I needed to, I guess I go fishing if that counts. I'm big into fishing. I do a lot of bass fishing.

So I'm with you on that. Yes. And my family, my husband's family is all from Alaska. So they hunt for moose every season because that's the meat they eat all year long. That's what it's for. So maybe if it came down to that, but I like to drive the four wheeler and look cute. The thing about fishing is it can be catch and release. Hunting, you know, you can't really, you know, shoot them and then let them go.

I'm such an animal lover and that would be like the hardest part. So I'm not, yeah. I can shoot a target, though. You need me to shoot somebody rob in my house. They're done for it. I feel like maybe that there's some similarities between shooting at a range growing up and the accuracy and all the things that go into that.

And what you're doing now for a living? Oh, absolutely. I think a lot of stuff, like going into like shooting, I said, but it's a lot more patience, but in the same time, you have to be really like analytical and thoughtful. And in fighting, you have to, you have to be patient picking your shots.

It's a little bit more obviously high-paced. it most of the time, but it's still, it's that sense of patience and technique. So you mentioned Alaska and I was watching your YouTube channel and your channel's called a kick-ass love story with Pajanoss. And I'll link to it down below. People want to subscribe to you. But you guys were just in Alaska. We were. So we actually, before COVID, we would go back to Alaska probably three to four times a year. That's like our second home. So we think we're going to have a home in Florida and one in Alaska. So like the best of both worlds. Wow. Yeah, we absolutely love it there. And we went there for Thanksgiving.

So what city specifically is he from? All right. I'm going to see if you can say it. He is from Ninalchik. Nenelchik? Nalchik, Alaska. It's technically just a fishing village. So he's from a village. He grew up in the middle of nowhere. And he doesn't like brag about himself enough, but he was the only person on his high school wrestling team. And then went on to college to become a national champion. Oh, the only, I thought you were going to say the only person on his high school wrestling team and then there was going to be an end to that sentence. No, that was it.

That was it. And then went on to become a national champion in college. Wow. Crazy. You know, lots of dedication, especially coming from such a small town. Who do you, who do you wrestle when there's no one else on the team to wrestle? I think his coach. And then you, like, fly around different, like, villages and wrestle.

Wow. He wrestle with other teams and stuff like that. Yeah. So I've been on an Alaskan cruise, but I feel like that doesn't count as saying I've been to Alaska. It doesn't. It doesn't. I don't know. I haven't been on a cruise yet, but I will say being in Alaska, like, I had never been there until my husband took me. And I was like, okay, let's just move here. Let's live here forever. It's absolutely amazing. Besides, like, I would miss, like, training and everything. So best of both worlds, we're going to spend our, like, relaxing time there. And then Florida's all business.

I mean, you truly do have the best of both world. It's like crazy hot in Florida. The winters are crazy cold in Alaska. Yes, the best. When we left Alaska for Thanksgiving, I think it was like 10 degrees. And then we show up like the same day flying from Alaska to Florida and it was 80 here. Wow. So if he was on the high school wrestling team, were you on any high school teams?

Yes. My freshman year, I was a cheerleader. And then my freshman and then sophomore year, I ran cross country. And then my junior and senior, I went to college. So I only was able to play like high school sports two years. So where did the introduction to MMA come in? That came. So I actually grew up in Oregon.

And then my family and I moved to Nevada for my dad's job. And he was a huge fan of Ken Chamrock, who, you know, legend in the- He's been on the show many times. Yeah, legend. So my dad being a really big fan of his was like, hey, there's this like, there's this legend. He's a fighter. Like he's gym here. Can we go try it?

So my dad actually did my first class with me. He was my drilling partner. I did get to heal hook him. I got to choke him. And I like fell in love with fighting. I was 15 years old. And Ken at the time, which was, you know, I picked up a few things pretty easy just because I was, I had such a like a technique driven dance background.

and Ken was like, hey, girl, you could be good at this if you stick to it. And I was like, I'm going to stick to it. So Ken was actually there from like day one? Ken was there day one and I had no idea who he was. Like no idea. And now looking back, I'm like, holy cow, my first coach was a legend, like a legend in the sport. Like that doesn't happen. So especially like in Reno, Nevada, like a small town.

It's not very well known. So, yeah, Reno, Nevada had Ken Chermock as my first ever MMA coach. So you were just like, who's this incredibly jacked guy? Yes, he comes in. He is jacked. And he like, Ken has his like persona, I think for Cameron for like, for like for who he is. But he kind of carried that on the mat too. Like he knew he was a badass and just walking in.

And it was his gym. And he was there to teach you and you better listen. Is there anything that Ken taught you early on that you still apply? to your training or to your fights now? Absolutely, my heel hooks. And I don't do them as much in fights. I went for a heel hook at like the last 10 seconds when I fought Felice Herrick. I like tried to jump for a leg walk.

But there are certain positions you don't want to necessarily put yourself in a bad spot in MMA. But in straight jiu-jitsu, my heel hooks are like really good still, just because that's the first thing I learned. And I've always been passionate about it. So my leg locks are still dangerous. Is Ken still in, are you still in touch with Ken? You know what? I actually did talk to him on the phone not that long ago.

And then, you know, he has a son and we were the same age, so we communicate every now and then. But it's definitely been a while. But yeah, I would say me and Ken still have a great relationship. So where, do you remember what your first UFC fight was that you ever watched or you were, you know, exposed to? Yes. I think the first UFC fight I've ever, maybe it wasn't the first UFC fight. when I watched. The first one I paid attention to. Okay.

The first one, because my dad has been a UFC fan since day one, forever, because he's a, he's a rest, you know, he was a high school wrestler. And so when I went, um, when we lived in Reno, my dad's like, hey, we got to go, we got to go watch some fights. So there was a UFC card on. And the first ever fight, I paid attention to. I know Forrest Griffin was the main event. And so he was my like, fight idol and forever. He was the one I, looked up to was for scurpen so you you know you start training with shamrock when you're 15 which is mind-blowing by the way training with like a hall of famer how does it turn from just training to going i think that i want to try my first amateur fight it didn't take long you know it kind of went from

well i guess 15 and you could i couldn't take an amateur fight until it was 18 so 18 comes and um you know i actually ken had closed his gym arena when i was training on another local gym and they We're like, hey, we have this, we put on our own show, do you want to fight? And it's like, sure, I'll take a fight. I took a fight. I did a meet. I was hooked. I ended up submitting the girl in like 40 seconds.

And then the funniest part, though, is that was only, I think, a month after my 18th birthday. And then I get a call a few weeks later. And this girl wanted a fight for her pro debut. She was already really well known as an amateur. And I was like, yeah, I'll take it. And I think I got like $800. And my coach actually told me, he's like, you shouldn't take it. I mean, once you're a pro, you can't go back.

He's like, it's my job. Someone offered it to you. But if you take it, like, you can't be an amateur ever again. And I was like, oh, well, I need the money. I'm in college already. Let's go. And I flew out there just myself and one of my teammates and ended up winning my pro debut out of nowhere.

And that was the moment. I was like, I'm a pro fighter. I am done with school. This is what I do now. Yeah. And how long after that did Dana White and the UFC come calling? Only maybe three fights later. This is insane, by the way.

Yeah, I was so, which is funny because it just turned 18, I went amateur and pro right away. I was signed to the UFC by the time I was 19. Yeah, again, this is insane and amazing. It was really amazing. It was very fast. And obviously, I had an amazing career with the UFC. I loved every second. I had my first fight with them when I was 20.

So signed when I was 19, first fight when I was 20, and now 26. I guess I had my last fight with them. And I'm a professional bare knuckle boxer. When you sign with UFC at 19 and you're a huge fan of MMA, do you just go, I'm going to be in UFC forever? No, you know what? Not at all. When I had first signed the contract to be in the UFC.

And how many fights was that contract? That was four. It was a four-fight contract. And I signed the contract and, you know, I was talking to my parents and I was obviously very nervous. And it was kind of like a moment where I was like, all right, I might be terrible at this. I don't know. Like, it's all happened. It was just all happening so fast.

And I was like, I'm going to treat this. Like, I get one shot. Like, this will be my only fight for the UFC ever. That's what I thought. I was like, you know what? They might hate me. They might cut me. I didn't know what was going to happen.

So I treated it as like I only had one opportunity to prove to the UFC that I belonged. and I was got, gosh, I got a fight of the night bonus against Kaelin Curran. It was another UFC fighter. We put on an amazing show and changed my life. I'll never forget the fight where you broke your arm. And then you go back to your corner and you're like, yeah, I think I just broke my arm. And then you keep fighting. Yeah, you know what?

I talk about that with my husband a lot because he was in my corner. and I have now broken my arm three times. And I separated my shoulder not that long ago. And before my last UFC fight, and I was like, hey, each instance, I'm like, hey, I broke my arm. And he's like, no, you'd be crying. You're fine. I'm like, no, I know my body.

I know my arm is broken. And every time my arm's been broken and then I separated my shoulder. And I was like, I need to go to the hospital. And he's like, no, I've separated my shoulder. and you'd be like screaming in pain. I was, no, I think it's hurt, separated. So it was always, there's little, little things. But yes, broke my arm in the middle of the fight

and my corners did not believe me. But I would think, you know, it probably hurt, you know, like an eight out of ten when it broke. And then after the fight was over, and then you get to the back and the adrenaline wears off, I can only imagine what it feels like that. Absolutely.

In the middle of the fight, I could feel like, because I have like a bouncy, like, fight style. Every time I would move my arms, I could feel my bone clicking. Oh, my God. It was disgusting. And I could keep carrying my corner as like, right, throw your right, throw your right. And I was like, did you guys not listen? Like, I just told you I broke my arm.

But I decided to throw it anyways. And it hurt terribly. But yeah, after the adrenaline wore off at her even more. It was absolutely crazy. Do you have any fear, any trepidations going into your first bare-knuckle fight that you're not going to just maybe break your arm. Maybe you'll break, you know, bones in your hand as well. You know what?

And I've thought about that. Hands don't hurt as bad as arms. And I know that I fought through an entire five minutes, which is basically like two and a half bare knuckle rounds. I thought five whole minutes plus half of the second round. So like seven minutes with a totally broken arm. So if I can do that, then if I break a knuckle, if I break a piece of my hand, in the middle of a fight. I know I'm going to be fine and I know I'm going to keep fighting.

I guess more than anything, what worries me is like the things you can't control. Like if you get cut open and then a doctor stops the fight, that would be very disappointing. I think a lot of your fans are very concerned about like you taking punches to your face. And after you signed, all these people were like tweeting these photos at you of like some of the other bare knuckle fighters. What was your reaction to seeing that? You know what? And I've thought about this. And there are. risks in every career you have. Of course. My risk, one, is getting my face cut open. But I would rather have, you know, that's for 10 minutes put my life in danger versus for my entire life, live a life

that's not fulfilled, that's not fun, that's not enjoyable, where I don't get to like live life to the fullest. I would much rather risk these 10 minutes than risk living a boring life. I love that. And it's so true. Like now you can you can never say what if. No, I can never say what if. And I know faces heal and I'm like, you know what? Maybe I'll get arthritis in my hands. Yeah, but if I sat behind a desk all day, I'd probably get arthritis too.

I might as well like do this or 10 minutes I get just complete glory. And then I get to, you know, live the rest of my life and travel and experience like a life I'm truly passionate about. And I would risk cutting my face off for all of this. Well, no, you're not going to do that. We don't need to do that. Not all of it. I think everyone just kind of assume, you know, Austin, your husband's in Bellator. I think a lot of people just assumed that you would take a Bellator contract. Was that something that you were interested at looking at? Yes. Honestly, I thought when I was leaving the UFC that I would immediately sign with Bellator. I truly did.

I thought that they would have the best offer. I thought that was where my heart was. You know, they treat my husband so well. And the idea of competing on the same card or the same organizations him was really exciting. But then bare knuckle came along. And it was like they, I don't know, it's like I had the angel and the devil on my shoulder. Like this one in my ear, like, well, this one they're more passionate about. But this one, I would get to compete with my husband. And for me, I had to go where the passion lied. And the one that excited me the most at that moment in time was bare knuckle. And I just, I wanted to shock the world. I wanted to prove how tough I am and and I just, it seems fun.

You're also like, there's an element of this contract where you're doing some commentary too. Yeah. So they actually opened it up to where I can commentate. It's a kind of an open-ended contract. I'm definitely a BKFC fighter, but they're giving me the freedom to pursue other things if I want to. So I'm locked into them for one aspect, but I can also do, I think I can take an MMA fight

if I want to. There's like there's things I can do that will help build me as a brand, but also help build them since I'm, you know, a part of their company. So if you feel like your heart's really pulling you in that direction that you're super passionate about bare knuckle, how do you break this to your husband? It was not good. So it was, it was hard. It was, I would say it was a hard two days where he was really mad at me because I kind of put my foot down. I didn't put my foot down. He knew where I wanted to go.

And he knew at the end of the day, I was going to sign with bare knuckle boxing. And he was just upset. Like, it wasn't, it was, there were so many layers to the reason. Like, yeah, it seemed more dangerous. And yeah, I don't get to fight as the same organization. We had kind of looked forward to that for so long because he was on the Dana White Contender series. And he went on and had this spectacular finish. And we thought he was going to get signed to the UFC.

and he didn't. And that's when I was like, you know, God, this, like, I got so bitter about it because he deserves it so much. And then Bellator came around, and, you know, he was upset because we really loved the idea of being on the same card together. But now he's fully come around and is extremely supportive of all of it. And he's super excited for my first fight. A quick word from our sponsor, Blue Blocks,

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Okay, that's a good one. Of course, performance-wise, I want them to see me versus like Felice Herig or me versus Beck Rawlings or me versus Alex Chambers. But I think the fight that proves how tough I am is actually a fight that I lost and that was against Rose Namiunez.

You know, she was a UFC champion, extremely tough. We went five full rounds and yeah, she put it to me. It was a war. But in that fight, I feel like I proved how tough I was. I got cut open in the first round. There's blood everywhere. And I fought through every second of that fight. What did you learn mentally from a loss like that? I think I learned how tough I was. Or maybe I knew how tough I was. I think the world like learned how tough I was. It was like, finally I was able to prove like I would be, you could put me through hell and I'm not going to quit. And I think it just proved that, you know, throughout, they're going to have ups and downs in your career. But it's always, always about just like going out there and fighting for yourself.

I mean, you always hear fighters talk about how you learn more from your losses than you do from your wins. Is that actually true? It's hard to say that. I mean, you do, in a sense, I think, why that's true is because after you win, not a lot of people go back and reevaluate the performance and say, all right, I did this wrong, I did this wrong, and this is how I can better myself.

When you lose, you really take a step back and reevaluate and try to figure out why. And you make the changes to make yourself better. When you win, you don't necessarily make those changes to have growth. And so, yeah, you can technically learn more, I think, from a loss, although winning feels so much better. I mean, you've got so much going on. I mean, this is obviously a huge fight,

but you've got so much going on outside of Bareknuckle as well. Like, Paige Janzan is a brand now. And do you remember when like you went from just being like a fighter to being like an Instagram influencer, like on that next level? Yeah, I don't myself if it was an Instagram influencer. I just feel like I share my life and my love for the world and people enjoy watching it. and maybe that's what an influencer is.

I don't know. No, I don't know what really, like, for me, I just feel like a regular person, especially walking into, like, a gym, like American Top Team, when there's so many people that are way more successful than me, it's hard to feel big. It's hard to have an ego when you're surrounded by, like, Amanda Nunes. She's a double champ. Like, when she walked in, like, me and my husband, like, whispered to each other.

Like, oh, there's the goat. There she is. Like, she's here. So it's, like, being around that high level of talent is really hard to see myself as special. But you probably get messages every day from girls that look up to you and they want to do what you do for a living. I do, yeah.

And that's special. Having people reach out to me that are going through hard times or having, you know, trying to inspire that like younger female generation is, you know, a lot of reason why I do it all. And a lot of the reason why, like, I fight through all the negativity and the hardship and I, I try to not, like, respond to hate in a negative way because that's not what I think I should be teaching people. I think it's about, like, rising through all the negativity and still being strong and being true to yourself. Yeah, because you're in an occupation where there's a lot of negativity throwing your way. Everyone that watches MMA thinks that they're a fighter. And, you know,

very, as you know, very, very small percentage. have actually, you know, taken a fight. So, you know, you put everything on display for the world to see. You go into a fight. And if you lose, I'm sure you get all this backlash from people saying, should have done this, shouldn't have done this. Yes. And that's the hard thing about being in MMA or like these individual sports. You know, I feel like all eyeballs are just on you. You can't necessarily blame like, you know, in a football, in a basketball game. You can't blame just like there's a point guard. There's like all these different positions. It's a full team whereas it's so when you lose or when the team loses the whole team loses whereas

five moves i only me nobody else but me loses and it's it is hard and i do think that fighting because it is fighting you a lot of people see fighting as like good versus evil and they pick who their superhero is and who the villain is in the fight and those somebody comes out on top but you know people should see fighting is like too superhero is fighting each other and we're just fighting to see who the better superhero is it doesn't necessarily have to be negative we're we're going out there to have a war with each other yeah UFC is definitely borrowed a lot from wwe like the good guy and the bad guy in every single fight you know and I had been asked I was fighting uh Rachel Ostevich in Brooklyn and one of the media guys was like

hey like how does it feel you're going to the you're kind of the villain in this fight I was like, what? Me? I am never the villain. Like, I haven't said a negative thing about a single person I've ever fought. So it's just interesting how there's always kind of that like good versus evil narrative going into fights. And I don't think it needs to be like that. Plus, how could you be a villain when you're smiling like 24-7?

That's what I'm saying. I was like, come on, guys. You got to think of a better storyline than that. How do you stay so positive? because your positivity, your smile, it's just so damn infectious. Thank you. No, thank you. No, I feel like it's easy to be myself.

And it's like, obviously we're talking about me. So it's like, I, you know, it makes me feel good. And life's too short to be angry all the time. And, you know, I could live a very negative life, especially reading the comments and the articles that are written about me. And there's a lot of negativity. But I, you know, you just focus on the good. Like if you focus on everything is love around you and and just soak it all in, enjoy the moment.

And remember, life is short. And at the end of the day, this is just a job. Was there one specific comment or something that you saw or heard that you were like, you know what, I don't need to deal with this anymore. I'm just not going to read them. Yeah, there are some. I can deal with like the occasional like troll. And you would kind of expect that.

but um and this is something i had to learn the people who are hating on you they're not hating on you because of who you are they're hating on you because they have hate in their heart and i had one kid comment on every single one of my pictures videos he would DM me and tell me like hey you need to go kill yourself like you need to like constantly telling me to kill myself and like these terrible terrible things and finally i just like added him on instagram i was like hey What's going on? Like, why, why do you hate me? What, what is, what truly has, does this have to do with? Yeah. Now we're Instagram friends. So where did the conversation go from there? Oh, just curious. I was just curious. And then he ended up apologizing and saying he's really sorry.

And a lot of people are just looking for a response. And, you know, once you like respond and you validate their comments publicly, I feel like that gives them validation. Whereas if you can't, you know, message them in private or, I mean, and some people are just maybe miserable, but I truly believe everybody has good in their heart somewhere. And for you to attack somebody that you do not know, that you've never met before, it has to stem from something else. And it has to stem from something inside of you. Well, what he did to you is called bullying. That's what that is. Bullying. It is absolutely is. You should have been like, do you know who I am? Like, I could like break your face. Part of me is like part of me wants to have that reaction.

immediately. But I also know one of the best quotes I've heard was like, you know, nobody doing better than you will put you down or nobody doing better than you is thinking about you, one of the two. So it's some, you know, those are obviously people who aren't doing more than I am. Are there ever like girls that maybe had a, you know, a drink or too many and they, you know, run into you and they think that they could like try to start a fight with you at a bar or something? No. And I'm very happy about that. Because girls aren't like that, which is very nice. But I have been with quite a few of my, like, fight friends and the guys.

And, yeah, people like to try to challenge them constantly. Has this happened to Austin while you've been there? No, not yet. But I will say Austin is, like, the peacekeeper. And he will make anybody his best friend. So there's people who don't like him or don't like me. And now they're best friends. And they get a dream.

Like, he can literally befriend everybody. And I say this with great respect. He looks like a fighter. You don't as much look like a fighter. Thank you. He's got the huge pulse art here and he got an eyeball on his throat and covered in tattoos. But he is the more, I would say he's more down to earth than I am. Like if it comes to like road rage or tempers, that's me.

What? No way. Absolutely. I have the worst road range in the world. What is your biggest pet peeve on the road? Biggest pet peeve is when you're in the world. the fast lane and there's a car going under the speed limit in the fast lane. That killed me.

Mine's when they don't put on the turn signal. Like, come on. Yeah. I'm not a moderator. Come on, man. Who was Austin when you first met him? Gosh, you know, well, Austin really hasn't changed since I first met him. He's kind of been the same.

And of course, I can hear him playing Call of Duty in the background. Oh, is it good? I tell him to be quiet. I can. No, I can't hear it. It's okay. Okay, good. You're about to lay down the law here.

I will lay down. I will shut that off. No, when we first met, he didn't play video games at all. So his inner nerd definitely has come out a little more. Or he was, like, trying to, like, impress me and hide the fact that he plays fantasy football and call a duty constantly. Those didn't come out until after we got married. I mean, those are really that dirty. No, it's not that bad.

But, like, him and his friends, they're actually really good at first. kind of see people. I think they should have like a podcast since they pay attention to it all the time. I think he was in like four or five leagues this year. Oh my God. That is that is a lot of time. Dedication. Lots of dedication. So what was it like the first time that you guys met? First time that we met. So we had met at a conditioning gym. We were both training in Oregon at the same time at this point. And I was already working out and he showed up right after I did. So I was finishing my workout. And He walks in and he kind of see he was kind of like had a like not country look to him, but more like down to earth.

He wasn't wearing an affliction shirt's what you're saying. No, he was not wearing an affliction shirt, which was very good. And he was actually wearing socks with flip flops. So he had like he's one of those guys. He puts his socks into his flip flops, which is so uncomfortable. Yeah. I saw him like, I like that guy. I like him.

And it didn't take long before we were in love. So you were the one that pursued him? I like to say I was the one who pursued him. What does he like to say? He doesn't like to admit that, but it is true because we had quite a few people at our gym have to tell him like, hey, she's hitting on you. Like she's interested in you. Come on.

Go for it. And yeah, it took a little while. We can definitely hear a call of duty now. That sounds like quite the game. It's okay. I'm so sorry. No, it's okay. What do you expect? This is amazing. That's his, that's his whisper, too. He's got his headphones on. Oh, my gosh. Well, we're ruining the game for him. My goodness.

I know. It's very intense. You know, I do a lot of interviews with wrestlers and WWE superstars. And I feel like your name just keeps coming up as someone who people think would be great in WWE. You have any interest in doing that? I do. You know, I get asked about WWE a lot. And I do feel like, I think it's something I would be very good at because I kind of have like the best of both worlds. I was a dancer. I was used to like the entertainment, like the showmanship side of it, all about showmanship. And then, you know, the combat sports world obviously goes into the WWE. But, you know, I don't know that it's something that I could do both at the same time. Yeah, definitely not. Maybe, yeah, you know, I feel like I would

want to do that 100%. So maybe it's something that after I'm done fighting, you know, in a cage, agent in a ring, that kind of stuff. Maybe I'll go over to there. But, you know, we'll see. The door is definitely open. There's been a lot of people who have been very successful to go from UFC or combat sports to WWE. I mean, Brock Lesnar is one of the greats. Ronda Rousey as well. So like, there's definitely a path there if you want to follow that path. Yeah, there is definitely a path. And a communication is actually there sometimes. So we're able to communicate and show our interests with each other. And, you know, once there's a little bit more free time in my schedule. I think that's something that I would like to really pursue.

So this means they've reached out to you at some point. Yes, at some point, I have visited their campus. The performance center. Yes, the performance center, because it's up in Orlando, so I was able to go visit and look around and kind of get a sense for what it's all about. I feel like we are foreshadowing the future now. Yeah, we'll see. I don't know. Well, you've got a lot of other things that are happening before them. Yes, I do. I'm curious because someone that's competing at the level that you're competing, has, aside from training, your days are pretty, like, set out. There's a lot of routine that goes into it.

So what does the first, like, 30 minutes of your day look like? First 30 minutes of my day are extremely boring. I wake up. I wake up. I get on my phone. I check my emails. I go through the most important ones first. Try to respond to anything that's really important.

Get ready. Go to practice. And then after my first practice, then it's come back and finish my emails. Where does eating fall into place here? Oh, eating is through all of that. Eating, I am very passionate about food and eating. So I guess it's like wake up, check my emails, eat, practice. Yeah.

As we sit here now a week out from the fight, how much weight do you have to cut? A week out, I think I'm 10 over right now. Which is perfect. It's right where I want to be. It's not a lot of weight to cut anymore. I wanted to try to get my weight to a point that in boxing, I didn't want to cut as much because, you know, it's the like shots are pretty much just focused on your head.

And, you know, I want to reduce the risk of concussion as much as possible. So I figured a lower water cut would be more important. Have you had concussions? I'm guessing, yeah. Actually, I don't know. No way. I've never been diagnosed with a concussion. in my entire career.

Well, knock on wood right now. Yeah, knock on wood. Because it seems like it might, you know, at some point in your career, it might be a thing. You know, at some point, maybe I have. And I went into one doctor who was like, oh, yeah, I think you've broken your nose before because I like deviated symptom. But I don't know. I never got diagnosed with a broken nose either.

So, you know, I've been lucky. The only real fight injuries, I guess, I got cut open under my eye. and then I've broken my arm. So I've been very, very lucky. Do you think about life after fighting and what you want to do then? Yeah, I kind of do. I mean... Or are you more like, I'm just going to think in the moment?

I'm definitely more thinking the moment. A long shot. I know that I want to have kids, I guess. If that's like one part of it, I want to have kids, I want to, you know, travel the world. But those are all things that like I travel the world right now. I'm fortunate enough that my career has taken me. all over the world. Kids in seven to ten years.

And then, yeah, that's all I have planned for the future so far. The rest is just fighting. Seven to ten years, fighting some kids. We'll figure out the rest after that. Yeah, figure it out as it goes. You know, I mean, you don't really need to figure anything out after that. No, then I'm set. That's all that life has to it.

Maybe play some call of duty. Maybe you'll get into that. Maybe. I tried. I really did. I thought it would be a fun, like, past time, but I would rather read my email and play Call of Duty, honestly. So when he's playing Call of Duty, you're reading emails or what is it that you do?

Yeah, I read my emails, actually put together our blogs for YouTube. Yeah. Are you editing those yourself? I edit them all myself. Wow. So you can actually see as the timeline goes on that I'm slowly getting better at it. So I'll edit, edit videos, try to get our vlogs ready. And it is really just passion for me. We don't really make money off of them or anything.

So it's just kind of fun. Well, not yet, but your channel's growing a ton. Thank you. Yeah, we are. We're trying to grow the YouTube channel. I feel like, you know, people get an idea of who I am and who, you know, the life we live off of Instagram and off of social media. But that you get to see my real personality.

That's where you see me like in Alaska with my family. You get to see like day to day of a married couple of what it's like to be like married and professional fighters. The coolest thing is, I can get like up close and personal in film like Austin's weight cuts and they're like real behind the scenes of fighting. And he needs to get better at filming me, but we're getting there. Are you going to be vlogging the behind the scenes of your first BKFC fight?

I am. I'm going to try to vlog and film everything. I can't guarantee that I'll get a video out before the fight. I'm going to put one out on this Sunday, but it's just too much to try to edit and put together. before the fight. So, but if he films enough, then we'll have some really good content for after the fight. But I don't think people realize what goes into making a vlog. It's all of the shooting.

It's all like, then you've got to put all the video into your, you know, the system. Then you've got to edit it at all. Yep. It's a lot of work. And you've got a lot going on right now. Transitions. It's like a whole. And I really like I'm, they're not perfect, but I like to think I'm a perfectionist.

And I want to make them as good as possible. So the coolest thing actually that I'm doing right now is I've been taking a picture. picture of myself every single day since I started dieting. And you can see the way my body transforms into the day of weigh-ins. Wow. That's actually really cool. I'm super happy that I actually did that because I saw, you know, people take videos of themselves like losing weight. And this is exactly that. And you can see like the whole transformation of my body all the way up until fight night. It's crazy. So when are we going to see that? I think after weigh-ins. I'll probably post it after way-ins because that's.

that's kind of like the end point is showing like the weight cut of where you start and then how much weight you lose and what it looks like for weigh-ins and then and maybe I'll show fight day. But yeah, I'm excited to show that. It's kind of cool. Just people don't really show like how much your body transitions in a fight camp as a professional fighter. Like we go through a lot in our body like completely changes in like, you know, six to eight weeks. So that's going to be its own video when you put this out?

Yeah. That'll be great. Yeah, just that. Have you had any interest from like, so I live in Los Angeles now. Have you had any interest from like Hollywood or doing stuff out here? I mean, you did chop, you did dance with the stars. Do you like you're connected with the right people? I am. And you know what? There is interest here and there. And I got, you know, an interest for like a movie and stuff like that. But first thing is fighting. And it has to coincide with my fight career. There's little things I could get here and there. I have. I have an amazing management team. They're actually here in Florida too. So once I put the pressure on them to do more like L.A. type stuff or TEE work, they'll definitely get on it. But as I transitioned out of the UFC into professional bare-knuckle boxing, I really wanted the last like six months to just be focused on getting my striking as good as possible.

And they eliminated all the other noise. Is there someone's career in the movies and movie industry that you look at and go, would love to have a career like that person. Gosh, you know, and it seems like a, like just an easy go-to answer, but like obviously I feel like I would fit me and the rock are like, you know, just kind of have the same pathway of going through like a not like, you know, he's WWE or the combat sports world and working our way up into Hollywood. I would love to have that kind of career, like being so successful at his one career that it leads in. an entire another career.

Yeah, well, I mean, it's been a long journey for him. His first movie was like 2000, 2000, 2001, something like that. It's absolutely amazing. And now he's like one of the most well-known celebrities that you could ever think of. He's also one of the nicest guys you could ever meet. He's amazing. That's awesome. Which, you know, I was supposed to actually, I signed the contract to compete on his Titan games.

Yeah. And I broke my arm right before and I couldn't be on the show. And I was so bummed out. So you haven't met him yet. Have not met him in person. You're going to have to be on next season. I know. That'll be, I'll have to let my manager now.

All right. I'm ready now. It'll be better. You can be on next season when there's actually like fans there too. Yes, I know. I would like to, once the, you know, everything calms down, I would love to be, have fans there to cheer everybody on. And I guess that kind of circles back to this fight.

You're going to be doing this in, you know, relatively an empty arena. Actually, they. There is going to be fans there. And in Florida, people are crazy here. It's kind of like a no mask referral situation. So, yeah, right when my husband and I got here, we both got COVID very quickly. And we wear masks everywhere and we try to do, I mean, we don't go anywhere except for our house or apartment in the gym. So Florida is kind of a referral.

So I do believe there's going to be fans there. So there's going to be fans there, but this isn't going to be like the packed crowd that there would be. you know, a year ago. That's absolutely true. Yeah. And I, maybe that doesn't, I guess you don't, I don't, do you even hear the fans when you're fighting? Definitely do. Definitely do.

For me, I do. I was in the middle of, gosh, a fight. Maybe it was with police herring and she hit me and it like was really loud. And then everyone's like, ooh, and like does this like, ooh. And then I'm like, it's not that bad. It didn't hurt. And you want to talk back to him and be like, oh, you guys don't know what you're talking. about. I'm fine. But yeah, you definitely notice the fans. So as someone who used to live in

Florida to someone who currently lives in Florida, what is your greatest Florida story that you've come across so far? Because Florida's a bit strange. Florida's a little bit strange, you know, but I will not, I will say Florida is not, I don't think Florida is strange is Portland, Oregon. And I haven't absolutely anything as, well, we're only in Coconut Creek. So we don't get down like Miami where you know it can get a little bit hairy. So where we are at here in Florida is not as wild as Portland, Oregon. And that's why it's keep Portland weird because Portland is a weird city. Have you seen an alligator yet?

We have not seen an alligator. We got to change this. But the lizards, there is lizards just walk around. The iguanas. Yes, that are huge. And they're everywhere. They're everywhere. And that's, they're a little bit weird.

Yeah. I had a pool and the iguanas would just go to the bathroom beside my pool all the time. Like what's going on here? Well, and I've seen like two of them just fall out of a tree. Like there's huge iguanas and they just fall and like splat on the ground and they just run away totally fine. They're crazy. They're absolutely crazy looking. They're like dinosaurs.

They are like dinosaurs. And then they fall out of trees when it's too cold. Isn't that it? That's what I, yeah. I think that's what I is when they get too cold and their body's, temperatures. They're almost like, yeah, their bottom temperatures too cold to, yeah. We're not scientists here. No, I am not. But they're weird. I will think they're weird. I've really enjoyed this page. I'm so excited to see you in your first bare-knuckle boxing fight. I'm very excited to see what

happens here. Thank you so much. I'm really excited. I hope everybody tunes in. It's definitely a big deal transitioning over to a new career for me. It's the first of many, so I'm really excited. Yeah, and I think people think that there's more of a transition, like there's more similarities than there are differences, but it's probably the opposite way. There's probably more differences than there are similarities. It's a big difference. It's taken away, you know, my best quality, I would say, is an athlete and made me really focus on like the details and the technique and really grind down and focus on the basics. And I feel like I've really done that. And I do think it's going to show off in this fight. Your positivity is so infectious. I love this. And I'm, I'm,

I'm someone who leads with gratitude in my life. So I end every interview by asking you. What are three things that you're grateful for in your life right now? Oh, my gosh. Three things I'm grateful for. I'm really grateful for my team. I have a very big one. It's my family.

I'm grateful for my management team, my business managers, my coaches, my teammates. The way that even my teammates who just absorbed and loved me since I've come to American Top Team has been amazing. I don't know, maybe that was like four things. But I'm grateful for life. I'm grateful for this new opportunity. It's just, yeah, lots of things to be happy about.

Just so much gratitude. I love it. Yes, so much. Thank you for bringing the positivity. Yeah, thank you so much for having me. This was awesome. There we go. Paige Van Zanz, and a huge thank you to Paige

for taking the time out of her busy training schedule to hang out with us for a little bit. And a big thank you again to my good friend Jonathan Rodriguez from T. F.C. Marketing for connecting me and Page together and making this interview happen. They are marketing and e-commerce geniuses. And if you have an e-commerce business and you want to take that to the next level, look for them online. They are at TFC marketing on Instagram and their website is tfc.com. And you can catch Pages bare-knuckle FC debut against Britton Hart on February 5th on pay-per-view. I'm really excited to see how that goes. And I just love how she focuses.

on all the positive aspects of her life. It just shuts out the negativity because what's wrong is always available. But so is what's right. Why focus on the negative parts of your life when there's so many great things that are happening? If you enjoyed this conversation, share it with a friend or share it on social media and tag us. I'm at Chris Van Vleet. Page is at Paige Van Zant. If we're talking about positivity here, I found this great quote.

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