Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Renee Paquette On AEW, Jon Moxley As A Dad, The Sessions, The Miz's Talking Smack Promo

Episode Date: April 13, 2023

Renee Paquette (@reneepaquette) is a television personality, podcaster and backstage interviewer for All Elite Wrestling (AEW). She was previously known for her time in WWE between 2012 and 2020. She joins Chris Van Vliet to talk about her decision to sign with AEW, what her husband Jon Moxley is like as a dad, her favorite Jon Moxley match, how becoming a mom to her daughter Nora has changed her, the decision to move from Las Vegas to Cincinnati, being part of the infamous Talking Smack segment between The Miz and Daniel Bryan, the best celebrity parenting advice she has received, why the name of her podcast changed from "Oral Sessions" to "The Sessions" and much more! For more information about Chris and INSIGHT go to: https://chrisvanvliet.com If you enjoyed this episode, could I ask you to please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcast/iTunes? It takes less than a minute and makes a huge difference in helping to spread the word about the show and also to convince some hard-to-get guests.  Follow CVV on social media:  Instagram: instagram.com/ChrisVanVliet Twitter: twitter.com/ChrisVanVliet Facebook: facebook.com/ChrisVanVliet YouTube: youtube.com/ChrisVanVliet TikTok: tiktok.com/@Chris.VanVliet Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

All systems are gathered. Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Van Bleas! Well, greetings and salutations, my friends. Welcome back to another audio adventure on Insight. I'm CVV, Chris Van Fleet, and yeah, Renee Paquette back on the show. Fun little factoid for you. Renee was actually our first guest when we renamed the podcast from the Chris Van Fleet show to Insight with Chris Van Fleet.

And that was way back. Episode number 162 in January of 2021. We're now at episode 460s. Crazy to think we've had 300 episodes since then. So a lot's obviously changed for the show. A lot's obviously changed for me and Insight and the two YouTube channels that we have. They're growing at a crazy rate. And a lot has changed for Renee.

We talk about it a bunch, but just think in the last two-ish years, she now works for AEW. She's now a mom. I mean, the last time we talked to her, she was pregnant with her daughter, Nora. Now Nora's almost two years old. And I'm sure you probably know this. I've talked about it at great length, but I'm about to be a father, too. So that's going to change the next time that I talked to Renee, whatever that happens to be. But yeah, we're just a few weeks away now. May 21st is the due date for our daughter. And, man, I can't wait. I can't wait.

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Oh, Renee, it is so good to see you. Good to see you. It's been over two years since you were on Insight and like so much has changed in that time. Yeah, a lot has changed that time. God, to think of like, Over two years ago, I would have been massively pregnant, about to drop a baby into the world. I was still living in Las Vegas. Now I'm in Ohio.

I'm in Cincinnati. My baby is here. She is alive and well. She's almost two. God, yeah, a lot of chance. I work for AEW now. Yeah. Last time I talked to you, like, I don't know.

I probably won't work in wrestling anymore. We'll see. Everyone gets that bug, though. I will say there's just nothing like pro rations. That's what everybody says. It's like the mafia. Yeah, you just like, you're in. Yeah. When we spoke last time, your show had the word oral in the title. That's gone now. Yeah. Who got mad about that? Who said that's going to go? Honestly, nobody got mad about it. No one cared. It was more so a thing for me that I was like, oh, if we want to like get other advertisers or different ads, I just didn't want people to be like weird about it.

Yeah. People were pervy about it, obviously. So I was like, oh, well, let's just change it. And I kept just calling it the sessions anyways. I kind of short form everything. So, yeah, I just kind of kept referring it to the sessions in the intros to the show and blah, blah. And as I'm talking to like Emilio or producer James, some of the people at the volume, like, do we want to just change it to the sessions? I was like, yeah, yeah, I like it.

Why not? Sure. And I get where you're coming from. It's like, it's an oral history. It's an oral dictation of these things that have happened. Thank you. Yeah. Not a pervert, guys.

Confirmed. Well, you know. Hey, we've all got our vices, right? A nice double meaning. Sure. How different is life now as a mom? Oh, my God. It's so different.

It's different in that it's weird because I feel like even though my daughter is, she'll be turning two in June. And I've had a kid for two years now. but everything constantly is changing. So you go from having like a tiny little baby to figuring out, whoa, I'm a mom for the first time. What am I doing? How do I figure this out? What's happening?

To then like you kind of get in a little bit of a groove. And then as soon as you figured out that game, the game has changed. And now she's walking. She's running. She's doing things. She's active. She's like, I feel like a little girl now. She doesn't feel like a little baby.

But juggling that with working and staying ambitious and creative and creating space for myself to do that is like that's that's really what the challenge is. I would imagine what would be difficult is like you're still so good at focusing on the many jobs that you have and we'll talk about all of the jobs that you have and all the hats that you wear. But it'd be so difficult to like while we're doing this, what if your daughter does something amazing for the first time and you're not there for things? And it's true like being on the road like, you know, going back on the road with wrestling like joining AEDW and being on the road, I mean, to be gone really essentially a day and a half a week. And if we're gone longer than that, we always bring her with us.

Like if it's like a pay-per-view week or something like that, of course, and we'll just bring her and stay and kind of stay put that way. And that makes life a lot easier. But yeah, I just, I don't want to miss anything. I'm also like, I think I'm just like selfish in the sense. Like I don't want to share her, you know? Like our nanny is a family friend of ours and she's fantastic. But yeah, there's times I'm just like, I just want to like, I want to do everything all the time,

whether that's, I want to work. I want to be with AEW. I want to be on TV doing these things. I want to do the podcast. I want to have these interviews. I want to be the best mom in the world. I want to do all of the things and trying to like create space for all of those things and to do them all well. That's, that's the big question mark.

You know how difficult it is for people to picture John Moxley as a dead. dad. I think a lot of people have a hard time picturing John doing anything aside from wrestling. That's true. It's like watching like a dog walk on their hind legs. It freaks people out. Very funny. Is John the husband and the father that much different than the John we see on TV and in the wrestling ring? I would say so. Yeah. He's not bleeding at home all the time. No. No, he spares as that, though, you know, every now and then. He has sort of a doozy on my, my pillow cases, though. I will say that the bedding takes a toll.

Everything else is pretty good, though. The scabs? Is that what that is? Yeah, or like, yeah, I just, yeah, like the scabs are things that haven't healed or, yeah, I mean, I guess that's really what it is, especially, like, you leave, like, a hotel room and he has been, like, battered and bloodied the night before. And then you're sleeping a certain way, and then your face has dried to the pillow. you got to like pull it off and then we're back to we're back to the beginning.

Yeah. Did you know what you were getting into when you started dating a wrestler? And then you marry a wrestler and I'm sure it's even changed a lot since then. It's really funny because I think of like, so when John and I first started dating and I feel like John and I like even when we first started dating, it was just kind of like, oh, I'm with this person now and this is my person and we're just going to be together. Like there was never really any kind of conversation of like who, what we are and what our relationship is and what our dynamic is, any of that. It just sort of like it always has been since we've been together. But anyway, so I'm on the road with WWE at the time, of course. And my mom doesn't know what kind of life I'm really living.

Of course, I'm calling and checking in with her, but she doesn't really know anything about pro wrestling. She really doesn't know anything about who John Moxley and or at the time Dean Ambrose was. So when I'm telling her that I'm dating this guy and she starts looking him up, then she stumbles upon John Moxley, looking up his old promos, his old matches. And she, I remember her like, she called me or she texted me and she was like so, like, wary of him. She's like, I don't know about this. Like, I don't, he seems like really like, it seems a little scary and mean and rattling off

all these other adjectives. And I was like, mom, it's fine. Like, don't, don't sweat it. But now it's so funny because my mom is like so obsessed with John. Like my mom loves John more than she loves me. I can almost guarantee you that. My mom got a Mokx tattoo. What?

Yes. Yeah, I did not see that in my in my bingo cards. Where is this? It's on her wrist. So we have been kind of like joking around about it. So right after I had Nora, John really wanted to go get another tattoo. My mom was staying with us to kind of help me like get my footing as a mom.

Sure. So my mom's with this in Vegas. John wants to go get a new tattoo and I'm like, well, shit, I want to go get a tattoo too. And this was like, yeah, maybe a couple weeks after I had Nora. So I'm like, I'm going to get like a tattoo for the baby. Yeah. What did he get? Maybe this is when he got the like the rose thorn one.

I think it was that. But anyway, so my mom's there. My mom gets like big time fomo. She's like, well, I want a tattoo too. So she is like, well, what am I going to get? What am I going to get? And she's like trying to figure it out. And John jokingly was like, well, why?

and you get my name or something like that. And she was like, okay, that's great. My mom's very much so like a call my bluff kind of person. Wow. So, yeah, she got it. She was like looking it up and like he just wrote his name and then she got that. It's really tiny. It's actually kind of cute.

But, yeah. But you don't even have a mox tattoo. No. I got to protect this vessel that is my body. Yes. It's not enough damage to this body. Wow. Oh, wow, not nearly as much damage as your husband.

That's true. That is true. I mean, my baby might begs differ, but it's fine. Everything's fine. Everything's where it needs to be. It's fine. I'm at the stage right now where you were two years ago when we did the conversation last because I'm about to have a kid. That's right.

Congratulations. Yeah. Do you know what you're having? We're having a girl. Yay. So our girls. Everything all picked out? I think so.

Yeah. You're keeping it under. wraps until she's here. Yeah, I think we, and you know, you know all about that. Like, if you tell someone the name now, it's a really weird thing. That's the name you're thinking? I know, it's really weird. So I was actually pretty open about that we were naming her Nora.

We put it out there kind of early. I don't know. I think I said it maybe when I did the Twins podcast with Nicole and Bree. And anyways, I was trying not to be so superstitious about all of those. things. But it is weird. I mean, when you share that name and you put it out there, because then even as it got closer to Nora being born, I was like, are we calling her that? We are calling her that, right? Like I started almost second guess myself. That's where I'm at right now. Like almost every name, like, that's the name we're going with. Right? She's like, yes, I love that

name. I'm like, I love it too, just making sure. Did you have like a top five that you were kind of like circling around? We had like three names and we weren't sold on any of them. And then one day, my wife, Rachel wakes up and goes, what about this name? And I go, wow, that is such a good name. Why was that never part of the conversation? Yes, that's it. Right to the top of the list. Oh, that's great. See, that's her name then. You guys know. That's how we were with Nora. So we got Nora. My grandmother was Eleanor, and I wanted to pay homage to her. So we did Nora from that. But I was also like, I was also listening to a lot of Nora Jones at the time. Like, I was just in a bit of a Nora swing. I was so we leaned into it.

I just didn't want to like, I didn't want the opinions of other people. I didn't want family members and friends to go, oh, real? That's the name, huh? I know. Wow. Because when there's an actual like person attached to that name, you can't say, really, that's going to be the name. I know.

I know it's weird, especially like as you're rattling off different names. You're like, have names associated with so many other people, whether it's like, it could be a name that I loved. And John's like, well, no, I knew a blah, blah, blah. And she was a bitch. There's a lot of that. You never know. It's really hard to kind of land on that.

It's fun, though. Like, I really, I think naming a person is really cool. What, it's a really fun experience. Pretty neat. How is life in Ohio for you? Great. It's great here. I actually, I was in Cincinnati for like nine months.

Now I'm in Los Angeles. Yeah. I, there's something so special about the Midwest. I agree. There's like, there's a certain charm about it. And I'm sure you can kind of attest to this too, where like, it's almost Canadian adjacent

to a degree. There's something that feels like home to me. I don't know if it's just also like the landscape. It's a little bit warmer here than it is in Toronto. But there's something with like

the landscape. We're really close to the city. So that's something that we're both very into. Like when I was in Vegas, I hated that there was like, there was nowhere to walk to. There's nowhere to just like meander around.

You're either going somewhere. you're going to the strip, you're going to this place. Like there's a destination. I like to just kind of cruise. I want to grab a coffee and like walk around and check some stuff out. But now having a kid too, it's like you don't realize how important having a good park is and having museums and like just a zoo, the good zoo, like all that stuff to do with a kid. And also having family all here is huge. Also, when you're in Las Vegas and you go outside in the summer, you're going to melt into the sidewalk.

I just couldn't figure it out. Like I could not do it. I figured like I was there for six years for like five of those years. I was on the road the whole time. So you're home for a couple days and you kind of check in. It's fine. Then you're gone again. But once I left WWE pandemic hit and I'm pregnant, I was like, oh, uh-uh.

Like the heat is so bad because I had Nora in June. I couldn't take her outside to take her even just for a walk to get some fresh air until like 10 p.m. at night, which is absurd. You could take them out in the day. How do you take a kid to, like, a park in that weather without them melting into the slide? It's crazy. I could, I just can't do it. So I was so happy. Like, I feel like I've been barking up that tree for a while to John where I was like, I'm ready to get out of Vegas. I don't want to be here anymore. I just never really loved it. No offense, Vegas. We had our thing, but we've moved on. But we just didn't know where we were going to land. Had no idea. And John would always kind of do. I would always kind of. joke like, I'll go back to Cincinnati. But I didn't, he never really big up Cincinnati to me that much. And then once we were actually like really spent a bit more time here, I'm like, it's actually pretty great. It really is a cute little town. Like I think it's a bit of an unsung hero of the Midwest. So anyways, long story short, I do quite enjoy it here. It's really nice. I was just on the other side of the river in northern Kentucky. And it was amazing how much land and space you could have

I know. I know. It's beautiful. Like getting into like Covington and Newport and like all those little like nooks, Alexandria, I guess. Like there's so many cute little spots that are out there. It's so funny. As I say that, John would have big, cute little spots. I was on a cute little spot. That was like my thing. And I'm like, yeah, there's tons of them here. It's awesome. I love it. Is this where you think you'll live for a long time? I think so. I think so in terms of like we also kind of hit the jackpot with our house. Like I really. love our house. So we bought a really old house. I mean, a lot of the stuff here is really old, which is a thing that I love. I love that older architecture. I love homes with stories. I love neighborhoods with stories. I mean, the neighborhood here is a little sketch. The story, anyways, used to be a little sketch around here. But yeah, the house is awesome. So I was built in like 1865. It used to be a bed and breakfast. So the layout of it's really cool. But we also lucked out that we're like in the city, but we also have a yard. So we have a little bit of both.

So I think it would be really, really hard for me to want to give this up. So as you've made this transition into like, I mean, like again, so much has changed, right? You're living in the Midwest now. You're a mom. You're working with A.E.W. Who's helped the most with your transition into being a mom in parenthood? Gosh. Like, it's not, it's a hard question to answer because I think,

everything I do, like even like work wise, if it's like broadcasting, trying to like fine tune things, I really kind of learn from my own mistakes. I kind of learn as I'm going. And as much as yes, I mean, I FaceTime my own mom all the time. And I really kind of harken back more. So not so much of her giving me advice now. I kind of go to like being a kid. Again, I think of how my mom was with me. I think of the kind of mom that she was. and my mom was like a very like busy person in the sense that like she liked us to do things. We went camping. We went on little trips.

We were like always out doing shit. And that's something that I kind of think about a lot with Nora that like I want to be that mom that is doing things with her. I want to be like very present and with her. And when I'm with her, I want to be with her. And even just in terms of like making her feel a certain way. I mean, there's like that quote of like people, you know, people might not remember blah, blah, blah about you, people remember how you made them feel. And that's something I try to think of a lot. And yeah, it's not so much of anybody kind of tapping me on the shoulder or reminding me of that now. I think it, I think just when you have a kid, it really takes you back to your own childhood a lot.

You think about the things that you saw, the things you did, what worked, what didn't work. And I think he kind of sift through those things more than anything. So, yeah, I think I've been doing like a little bit more of like a deep dive. on my childhood, but also that sense of being appreciative for what my mom did. Like I know my mom was a good mom, but now being a mom and thinking of like, I have so many more resources than my mom did. And that's something that I'm like, God, how did you like, how did, like, even just like, God, the first time your kid gets sick and you're like Googling things and just being able to

have that access is crazy. Our parents didn't have that. So yeah, it's really those kind of things. I think that have really helped me as a mom, while also just like, I'm really not that hard on myself as a parent in sense of like, again, my mom, I remember her, we're, you know, some kind of mom, daughter, kid fight where I'm like upset with her about something. And I remember her saying to me, she's like, I've never been a parent before. I'm figuring it out too. And I was like, you know, probably a teenager at the time. But that really stuck with me that I was like, oh, yeah,

that's true, of course. So that's kind of, that's something I kind of think about a lot. is like, we're figuring it out in so long as I'm always there for her and I'm nice to her, but I'm teaching her lessons and trying to just like educate her but keep things fun. Like that's really kind of my main objective right now. Which one of your wrestler friends have you like bounce some mom advice off of? Oh, probably Becky the most. Becky is like, I mean, she has been the best from like day one. Even like when I first found out I was pregnant.

I mean, just in terms of even just like, you know, she sent like cute little Doc Martins for Nora and like some cute little outfits and stuff. But she's somebody. Yeah, anytime like her and Seth are in town, we'll get the girls together and get to like see our babies together. It's such a trip to like see that with our friends to be like, man, we've spent so much time together. Now to see like this next generation of these like little babies that we've made to see them together. So cool. Rue's about, I think, just about six months older than Nora. But yeah, it's, it's really cool to be able to see them together. But yeah, definitely, definitely Becky. Of course, you know,

Brandy and I were pregnant at the same time. Brandy Rhodes and I, and she had her daughter. I think it was like five, I think only five days after Nora was born. So in terms of pregnancy-wise, we've been able to kind of check in on each other and with our kids being the same age, kind of checking in on certain things. But yeah, those are the two that come to mind. Am I leaving somebody out. I think I'm leaving somebody out. I'm probably leaving somebody out. I don't know. You do a lot of stuff. There's a lot of stuff with the Bellas or the Garcia's now. The Garcia's. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even with, you know, with them and I just recently was a first time that we were able to get all of our kids together. But it's like anything.

You know, we're all so busy to be able to really have time to like stop and check in on each other when it's like, oh, we all have a million things going on. And it is really cool when that moment happens. Like I had not met Buddy at all. And the last time I saw Bertie, she was tiny, tiny, tiny. So to now see her as like a little girl, she's, I think, about to turn six, I want to say. And then seeing the, you know, seeing Buddy, seeing Mateo and seeing them all together. It was like so crazy. But it was, you know, it was a quick little visit. But it's, it's so cool just to see your friends at this next stage in life. And it's so cool that we're all going through it, like, around the same time. It's, it's pretty unique.

That's amazing. Yeah, it's cool. What did this transition look like? Because you were obviously spending a bunch of time backstage at AEW. You were there for some episodes or some paper views with John. What did the conversation start to look like of like, hey, do you want to like be paid to be here too? Well, it was more so for myself. As much as I love doing my podcast, I love being able to do these long form interviews.

I feel like there's just something really fun about that that you really don't get to do TV-wise unless you get one of those sweet Netflix deals like Letterman and let's get that going. I love doing that. But for me, it's like also being able to work from home as a new mom was like a blessing and a curse. I sort of needed to get out of the house. I needed to get back to being me. And as much as like, yeah, I was awesome to be able to sit in my sweats and do my. work and do all those things. TV has always been my number one love in terms of like career aspect things. So when I started to really get that itch and feeling like I was I was really in

like a good comfortable spot that I was like, well, Nora's, you know, a year and a half at the time now. I'm feeling good about maybe stepping back into that world. And I had been having sort of like preliminary conversations with WWB about me maybe going back there and just maybe doing like paper views or some specials. We really didn't hash it out or get that far in those conversations, but some conversations were starting to happen. And then it really kind of dawned on both me and John that were like, man, if this is where it's going to go and this is what we're going to do, of course, it makes more sense for me to be in AEW. And just to kind of see all the things that AEW had to offer is like not only being on the road with my husband, but to be a part of this

like young upstart fun, you know, really kind of changing up the whole scene of pro wrestling. That was something that I really want to be a part of. And not only be a part of it as a broadcaster and kind of lend my experience in that world, but also as a producer to a degree. I mean, if I can help with stuff like different backstage promos, help with, you know, all that stuff, all the things that kind of fall under that umbrella. That's something that really, really appealed to me. So, yeah, the more of those conversations kind of started to happen.

And those conversations were really just between John and I. Then it was just like, okay, let's do what Tony thinks. And yeah, and Tony, of course, was on board. And I feel like, I mean, that's the quickest I've ever really had a contract, just come through and be like, okay, come, let's do it. Let's start it. And let's get this ball rolling. So it was cool.

And of course, it made sense for me to be able to make my debut in Toronto. And that just made it that much more special. It was really, really a fun time. Are there any similarities between working there and working in WWA? Yeah, of course. I mean, in terms of like, wrestling's wrestling,

day of show is always a little bit crazy of like, what's happening? Are things changing? Is this what's happening? Like, that happens in both places for sure. But yeah, it's like that fun energy.

It's a different energy and that's something that took me like a little bit of a second to adjust to. I'm so used to, you know, it's at WWB for eight years. So to now be in a similar environment to that, but it's not the exact same environment as that. It's cool to kind of like figure that out and figure out the ropes. And it's, it's fun doing like the backstage promos there.

It's cool. You know, I think WWB having their writers and having written promos for, you know, a majority of the people that definitely serves a purpose and there is a benefit to that. But it's fun being able to hop on the set and go, what are we saying? What are we doing? What do we need to try to accomplish here? How do we do that? What are like just trying. and to like connect the dots to make the most sense of those promos. It's a fun challenge. I like it. Yeah,

I feel like at AEW, you're getting more of like a direction of like, all right, this is where the promo needs to head. Whereas in WWE, they're saying, all right, here's your promo.

Exactly. Exactly. So yeah, it's cool to be able to have that input in, and to try to make sense of it. You know, it's like anything where you've got, you know,

two hours of TV time for dynamite, an hour for rampage, trying to get the proper storytelling. in place for each show to make the most sense with usually it's like a pretty small amount of time. It's not like we're given to if you're given two minutes for a promo, that's a lot of time. When you have 60 seconds to try to accomplish, okay, this match is coming up, this championship is involved. There's also might be some other thing that we want to maybe loosely tie that into this promo. It's really fun trying to figure out how to make it make sense.

I'm always so impressed at no matter why. company we're talking about how anyone can snap their fingers and cut a 60 second promo like that. It's great. I know. I love it. It's such a cool. I'm always in awe of the performers when they do that. And I was thinking this when I just recently did an in-ring promo with Ruby Soho. And it was a really great promo. We're talking about the outsiders and, you know, how or how they came together, why they have joined this group, all these things. And I was like, damn, that makes a lot. I'm with you. Yes. That makes perfect sense. And then right after that for her to go into a match. So it's like there's just so much happening of like your brain firing on like all different, all different paths. This promo needs to happen. This match is happening right after that.

This is the out. This is this. Da-da-da. It's like that always blows my mind to be able to see the performers like really bring it all together like that. Nobody else can do that. I thought it was interesting when MJF kind of like tied in like, you know, you and John into a promo. And I'm like, oh, yeah, like, we all know this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's cool.

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of AEW. What a huge asset he is for us to have. But he was a producer of the show during that time. and he I remember him while all of this action is happening he's really he's not saying anything in my ear I think he kind of knew he was following Mike he was following this to see what he was going to do follow that promo follow what's happening with Brian and I remember like while they're in the midst of all this chaos he's saying to me take us off the air now and I'm like what the ass like what do you mean take us off the air right now like we are in the moment right now. but it was like his genius to have it just kind of wrap up as it was with no real outcome. Or like we didn't know where things were going to go after that moment with that promo. So yeah, that's really kind of what I remember of that. And just being in the middle and like being between Brian and between Ms. And to see Ms. cutting this promo on why he wasn't wrestling, why the Intercontinental Championship meant so much to him.

And like to see his eyes welling up and these tears happening. I'm like, oh my God, he's crying. He's going to start crying. Oh, my God, this is happening. And then he starts digging into Brian who, like, I've got so much sympathy for this man that has had to retire from his in-ring career. We don't know what this means. Where's things going to go for him?

The injuries rattling off all these things that I'm like, do I have to fight the Ms. right now? Like, holy shit. This is crazy. You kind of started to step in there and you were like, hey, wait a second. Like, this isn't about that. I know, because I was like feeling. I was like, I knew that Brian was like kind of between a rock and a hard place,

physically at least, of like what he was going to be able to do that I was like, oh my God. And that time. What Ms. was saying was like there was a lot of truth to what Ms. was saying. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, for sure. 100%.

Like there was just so much. It was like little truth bombs being dropped all over the place. And it was just like really rattling everybody. But to be in the like the heat of the moment like that. when you're really capturing lightning in a bottle. And I don't think I, I wasn't looking at it from like the entertainment aspect, so to speak. I was looking at it of like, oh my God, these are two human beings that I care about and shit's

going down. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, it was crazy. That might be Mike's best promo ever. 100%. And that really like that lit a fire under a lot of people's asses to not only, yes, he's an incredible performer and I don't think he gets nearly the respect that he deserves. But it also reminded people of essentially kind of the purpose of what talking smack was. This is not,

it's not raw and it's not smack down. Let's make it something else. We're not going to always turn everything into a storyline because you'll smell that coming a mile away. So when you can plant those little moments, it makes them so special. Yeah, it was just such a cool moment in time. of us doing that show. And it felt like we were just like off to the side kind of doing our own thing. No one's really paying attention. So we could get away with kind of whatever.

But it was after that moment that they're like, we're going to start bringing some writers on this show. And now Vince is like, you know, producing the show. So yeah, every now and then Vince would pop up in my ear. I'm like, oh, my God, Vince is here. What's happening? I thought that we were just like doing this as a little after hours program. Pocket snack was fantastic.

I don't know why they got rid of it. I mean, they brought it back, It's not the same thing. No. You should have some version of this for AEW. I agree. No, I completely agree. I would love to do that.

And it's, you know, there's definitely like a little bit of a formula that you've got to kind of figure out. And it's also a really cool spot for performers that don't necessarily get all of that TV time on a rampage, on a dynamite. It's really cool, I think, for the wrestlers to understand how to speak as their character. And that was things that we would kind of fall into, we'd have certain people. And when you're used to being handed a script and used to kind of being told, this is your character and blah, blah, blah, it's cool to see people just kind of get to live as that character while they're figuring it out. Of course, there's, you know, so many people that are already very well-rounded and well-versed

in that space. Yeah. But there are some greener talent that I think could really benefit from just getting to exist and talk and cut promos and whatnot as their character on television like that. The stakes aren't so high. Yeah. We talked last time about your role as a commentator on Raw. And it's so interesting to think about, it's kind of been a revolving door of like commentators on Raw. Like, it was you. It was Cole, Adnan Verk, Jimmy, now you got Kevin. Vic was there for a little while. Like, why do you think it's been, it's changed hands so many times? I'll tell you exactly why, because they put somebody in to do commentary. And I don't think that there is. And it's not that, I don't know how to frame this the right way. It's not that there's not enough respect put on what commentary means and to be good at commentary.

They do understand that. But a lot of times they're like, okay, well, put Renee on. She'll be good. She's good in these other things. Let's put her on commentary. I was not ready to do commentary. I wasn't ready to do raw commentary specifically. And that happens a lot.

Adnan Verk was like great broadcaster, fantastic broadcaster. And I think they're like, well, let's bring in somebody from the outside world, from outside sports that really knows that space. But he had never done play by play. He had never done it. And it's like you put it. It's really just not setting people up for success when I think sort of the training program like we had with doing NXT being in that space, then you get called up.

Because it's also very different doing a show at NXT versus doing Raw or Smackdown. The game completely changes once Vince is in your ear. Once you're doing a three hour long show, it's just, it's such a different dynamic. And, you know, I'm sure having Vic on, I'm sure he'd be able to talk about that as well. But, yeah, I think it's just really putting people in. And it's a sink or swim mentality. And it just sucks because most people end up sinking. And it's not for lack of talent or like not being good at that position.

It takes a really long time to become a great wrestling commentator. You can be a sports commentator. And I think probably get better at that because you're really just dealing with calling what you see and talking about facts. That's not what we do as a wrestling commentator. Now you're telling stories. You're putting over the baby face. You're talking about the heel.

You're talking about them in different ways. Sometimes there's just like the different nuanced subtleties of things that are happening. So yeah, wrestling commentary is just so different from being a hockey commentator, a football commentator, whatever it may be. And as much as I think it's interesting to try to, I mean, you know, Pat McAfee is such an anomaly. He's so great at what he does. He's also a huge wrestling fan.

So that, of course, helps. He's just a huge personality. But yeah, I think it's really just that. I think it's putting somebody in that's not ready and then not giving them the time to develop to be where they need to be. Michael Cole has been doing commentary for what, like 20 years or something? More, yeah, since the 90s. So long. He's so good.

I feel like. He's so good. I could literally dedicate like an hour of the. this time to just talking about how good he is at what he does. And I think now he finally does get the credit for everybody. Finally. Like, Michael Cole is pretty great. Like, he's so fantastic.

I think his, his WrestleMania match, I think, made people, unfortunately look at him in a different way. Sure. Sure. Yeah. And that's fair. But, you know, looking at the career, the guy's been able to have, he's so great. And he's got such thick skin, I assure you, it does not rattle him when people want to talk

a little shit. But I love that he is now getting the love and the appreciation. appreciation that he deserves. He's so talented. And he loves what he does. And you can hear that come through. There really is such a passion there for what he does. But yeah, it's just, it's not an easy thing to just step in and start doing and hope that you're going to be good. And I'm sure so many of the names that you rattled off could have gotten to be very good. But there's a little bit of a knee jerk reaction to, oh my God, this person's not good. They don't know what they're doing. F this person, pull them out. Let's plug in. Let's bring in Lawler.

or book or the guys that we know know the business and they're going to be able to kind of plug in there and do it. It's a tough spot to be in for sure. You're right though that it's so different in pro wrestling because if I watch a regional football game, I'm big Browns fans. If I watch a regional game on CBS and I don't know who the commentators are, I don't notice or care. Sure, sure. Yeah, watch the game. Yeah. But in pro wrestling, you immediately, from the time the fireworks are going off on Raw, you go, wait a second. Who's that? Who is that? Who is that? Austin. And I already don't like them. And I think that's that's a thing in wrestling. That's a trained thing. I hate this person. Commentators and announcers are these dweeps and we're not supposed to like them, blah, blah, blah.

And you've got to win me over now. Totally. Yeah. And you did such a good job of that. Like you really endeared yourself to the wrestling audience. And it was like, I feel like especially when a new face comes in, people go, I don't, I'm not so sure about this person. Yeah. But you like won everybody over like everybody loves Renee. Thank you. I love everybody for the most part. No, I, you know, I got really lucky in the sense that like, you know, I think the way that I got brought into wrestling as well from doing right after wrestling or, you know, whatever version of that show that aftermath, I just forgot the name of it there for a second, right after wrestling into aftermath. But to be able to start doing that show and doing an after show, again, the stakes aren't very high.

We're having fun. We're broadcasting in Canada. And like, that was a great show to do. But then to have that kind of land me on the radar of WWE, me come into WWE and really learning the business from a different aspect, learning different respect for the business from that aspect. I think that that's something that I've always been like pretty, pretty. open and talked about. But yeah, I think it's just like, I like wrestling, man. I like it. And even me just being away from it for the two years or whatever that I did step away for it for a bit, you just get that itch. Once you're in it, it's really is hard to just go, well, I'm done with

wrestling now. Like, yeah, fat chance. Good luck with that. And that's why when I see people like Batista, the Rock, John Cena now to a kind of a lesser degree, like what they have done in Hollywood it is so incredibly impressive, but it's also that they've done that by stepping away from wrestling and not, like, Batista hasn't done anything in years, like they're not going back into that quick sand, as Dave described it to me. Yeah, no, definitely. It's not easy to do. And I always, I commend the work that they've done from the Sina, from Rock, from Batista.

You know, you can name off a bunch of people that have had these really successful careers. But I also will say, I think there's a lot of really, really talented people as pro wrestlers, whether they're with WW or they're with AEW, that I think you can't be a pro wrestler and not have incredible work ethic. Oh, yeah. And that's something that I think definitely transfers over into Hollywood. You're not going to be late. You're not going to miss your shoot. You're not going to be shitty to people. You're not going to be rude to people because that just doesn't fly.

in our world. There's no way that that's going to happen. But also like, hey, learn the script really quick. Also, this is your mark and here's this. Da-da-da. Like, wrestling is entertainment boot camp that I do think that there's probably a, you know, a couple names that you could throw out there that I think would really have great successful careers in Hollywood. Should they, and I do think Hollywood's being a lot more open-minded to pro wrestling and pro-wrestlers. They are, but there's definitely still a little bit of a, oh, I don't know, that's that wrestler, right? There is still a little bit of that. And I think until that stigma's gone, but yeah, it's not for a lack of talent on our end, I'll say. Do you think MJF's one of those people that could cross over?

Yeah, definitely. Of course. I feel everything he says is so believable. He's really hard to bet against. You know, he's, yeah, he's a, he's a great promo. He's a great storyteller. He's definitely one of them. But you know, I think, you know, you look at somebody like a Ricky Starks. I think he's somebody who's really got that charisma and that charm too. And there's just something interesting about him. And I think there's a lot to him that has not been discovered yet. Character-wise, on camera, all that. And I think that that makes him a very exciting. He's like, there's just like a really cool charisma with him that that I like. So he's somebody that I would definitely like to see do some more stuff too. Do you have a favorite John Moxley match? Oh, gosh. What is my favorite John Moxley match?

That's a good question. It's hard to say, God, he wrestles all the time. Yeah, he has a lot of great matches. If he was somebody that wrestled like, you know, once a month, something like that, I might be able to narrow, whittle it down a little bit more. But now I'm like, oh my gosh, to think of like all of these matches that he's had. Let me think for a second. I got to like mulse some over. It's funny because the first, I mean, I think I really loved the moment. It's probably an easy answer, but like just even when he debuted. Yeah.

When he debuted with AEW was like, oh my God, that energy, I get like goosebumps thinking about it because I wasn't with him at the building. I did not get to go to, I think he was at MGM Grand at the time. I didn't get to go. I'm still working with WWB, of course. I was like, I'm going to stay here. I'm not going to like ruffle any feathers or make anything weird. So I'm going to stay here and watch you.

And knowing that it was happening, it was really kept under wraps. And to see him show up, come out from the crowd as he does. But to just see him as John Moxley for the first time, essentially, was that will always, like that's just such a proud wife moment of seeing somebody. bet on themselves in knowing I have so much more to offer than what I've been given and I'm going out and I'm going to fucking get it. And that's exactly what he did. And to see the crowd be like, oh my God, to watch. Lita was with me. She was at my house and we were watching together. She happened to be in Vegas for it. And I was like, we've got to watch A.E.W. And she's like,

wait, why? I was like, because it's happening. It's happening right now. So yeah, we got to watch that together. But yeah, just to see the crowd reaction to see that moment with Jericho for him to dropped Kenny on top of the poker chips. And that was just him like really entering the fray of, of all things, AEW. That's definitely one that stands out for me. I was there. Were you there for that? I was there and it was so cool seeing the crowd immediately know this was John Moxley.

This wasn't Dean Ambrose. This was John Moxley. That was so cool to see. Wasn't that neat? And I think there's always probably like that little bit of reservation of like, you know, I hope that they're going to know that it's John Moxley. and not Dean Ambrose. Yeah.

And to see that, to see that switch happen and to kind of see him be like reborn as his former self again was was like such a cool moment. So we don't have a favorite John Moxley matches. I mean, I would say that's my favorite. John Moxley moment. Yeah. That's your favorite John Moxley moments. Great.

For a match, though, for a match. It's funny because when you said that, I guess maybe because I just had Kenny on my podcast. their match. It was great, by the way. It was a, thank you. That was a really fun conversation. A great session, if you will.

A great session. If it wasn't for the lack of pyrotechnics at the end of that match, I really, really did love that match. I mean, probably, I mean, John and Brian was really great at Arthur Ash, but like, obviously, that was really great. that was really great. Duh. I feel like Brian with anybody is pretty spectacular. I know. It's really great.

I mean, I can't really think of like an opponent that John's not had because I also feel like in the last however many years, he's kind of been more or less like handpicking what his matches were going to be and who his opponents were going to be. So to think of like what some of those dream matches could be for him. I mean, yeah, whether it's Kenny, whether it's Brian.

whether it's, you know, having his match with MJF, you know, he lost the title. I don't know. Yeah, for me, I'm more so into knowing, like, what those moments are. Like, even like when Regal came out with him and Brian, when they're in the ring and they're slapping each other and have, like, Regal show up, that was one that also gave me goosebumps again to, like, harken back to, like, both of their separate relationships with Regal.

that was a really cool special moment. So anyways, I can't really say that I, what my favorite John Moxley matches, I don't know. Do you have one? I mean, I would have to go with the favorite moment being that debut. So good. Right. The fact that I was there for that. But, you know, there's so many matches. There's so many,

it's really hard for me to say. And John's always in the conversation now is one of the best wrestlers in the world every year. For sure he is. And I mean, I got to give a little bit of love to hang man here too, because I do feel like the two of them have such incredible chemistry in the ring together. And, you know, the four matches that they've had that series. Like, I think that they've done some really incredible storytelling.

Like, obviously their matches have been so hard hitting. And they beat the absolute piss out of each other. But the storytelling that they've been able to do without any championships involved, I think that they've done such a great job to string us along for four different matches. It's pretty impressive. I will say watching their Texas death match at Revolution, it started to make my stomach turn a little bit. I'm watching it. I'm like watching it in talent viewing and I'm like, oh my God.

Like when John is stabbing Hangman in the forehead with the fork and it starts like, viewing everywhere like all over john i'm like because all i'm thinking during this i'm like there's got to be a receipt for this somewhere it's coming back for you 100 so i'm kind of holding my breath until the very end of the match they're crazy how long can he keep doing this do you think oh god i don't know i don't know i'm really not sure i mean maybe start pacing them out a little more that might help yeah i don't know i don't know we need to i really like i want him to buy hyperbaric chamber. We're in the middle of putting a gym in our basement. Oh, I was in DDP's hyperbaric chamber. It's fantastic. He's all about it. Him and I had spoken about it. And he actually

put me in contact with a friend of his that's in the hyperbaric chamber business. So yeah, I really want John to to get on that. But he's building a gym in our basement right now. So I think any of the wellness, stretching, any of the things you can kind of do to take care of yourself as Cold plunge, sauna, hyperbar chamber. Give them the work. Some D.P.Y. Yes, get all of it. Yeah, that's sort of like my wife pitch to him.

I'm like, all right, let's just stretch it out. Let's get a little cold compress on there. Shut it down a little bit. Drink a lot of water. I want to talk a little Canadian stuff with you here. Okay, great. Who do you think is the best Canadian band of all time? Oh, geez.

Best Canadian band. of all time. I know it's so difficult. It is really difficult. I mean, you'd probably have to say tragically hip, right? I think you'd have to. And then I mean, that final performance,

even just thinking about it, like, gives me goosebumps. Yeah. You want to cry. Totally. I mean, yeah, I would have to say probably the hip when we're talking bands. And then if you want to get into like

the solo artist, category that's a different conversation. Who's that? Well, that, that I think opens it up a lot more. Because I think we're talking full bands, like the ones that come to mind, of course, tragically hip. I like Blue Rodeo a lot. Okay. Yeah. A lot of people go with Nickelback, bare naked ladies. I don't like either of those bands. People throw in rush. I'm actually not a huge rush fan. Wow. I know. So that kind of clears the path a little bit for me when it comes to like the greatest band of all times. Some 41. Throw them out there.

They're from Ajax. They've got some bangers, dude. They do. They've got some good songs. But when it comes to solo artists, it's like Shania Twain, Brian Adams, Justin Bieber, Celine Dion, Avrilavine, Alvian, Alanis Morse. Yes. Like there's so many great names that you could rattle off.

Canadians are pretty great. They're pretty great. Dare I say so? No, they're, it's, I. And we always played this game as Canadians when a Canadian starts to do something in Hollywood or, you know, you see them at the Oscars or the Grams, you go, one of us. There you. You know, Ryan Reynolds, by the way, is from Canada. So am I.

We love to plug it. We love it, love it, love it. What was the decision for you to become an American citizen? You know, I really just wanted to not deal with paperwork anymore. Like renewing your green card? Oh my God. The visa, the green card, blah, blah, blah. It's a lot of paperwork to keep track of.

I didn't want to have the paperwork anymore. I've got all the little cards, all that stuff. And then as I'm, so you can apply to become a citizen after you've either had your green card for five years or you've been married to an American for three. So being married to an American for three. I got, I think I got my green card maybe just before John and I got married, I think. So once it was, like, it was just before our three-year wedding anniversary that I was like, I'm doing it. I'm going to start applying because I know it'll take at least, it takes about a year to do. Yeah.

And then now having my daughter, I was like, well, I'm going to have an American baby. Is she not going to be a dual citizen? She will be, I've just not done the paperwork yet. Well, you've got like 16 more years to figure that out. I know. I'm going to do it sooner than later. Yeah, we are too. Because you've already got the paperwork out anyways because I had just done all of my

stuff. So I do want to actually do hers pretty soon. So I actually just got my American passport a couple weeks ago. So you were like Jason Bourne with the two passports. Dude, it's a trip. Wow. Yeah, traveling with two passports makes you feel like dangerous and cool. Yeah.

It was like messaging so many people. I'm like, how do I do this? What do I do? I'm like messaging like Christian. I'm like, you're a ducal citizen. what do you do? Yeah, it's very, very cool. So yeah, I really just wanted to get it done.

I was done with the paperwork. I've been here. I've been living in the United States for 20, wait, 11 years. 11 years now. I've been in the United States. So yeah, it was time. I just renewed my green card. And I was on the fence about like, which one do I want to do?

So why? So why did you not? What was your reservation? Not a reservation. There's just really no advantage to, you know, Canadian citizenship is a great passport to travel on. Yeah. There's really no advantage to becoming an American citizen for me.

The only thing that I would be different is I could vote and I wouldn't be deported if I was convicted of a felony. So I don't ever have to do jury duty. That's actually a good one. Pretty good, right? For that I'm going to be cursing it. And I think that one of my friends who's Canadian, he's lived here for like 25 years, he basically said, like, if you do ever choose to live somewhere else one day,

and you're an American citizen, you will always have to pay taxes in America. Oh, that's a good point. And I went, well, I don't know, probably won't ever leave, but who knows? Yeah. And I said, but that's a really good thing to have in my back pocket for 40 years from now or something. Sure. You never know. You might want to pull Shania and go to Switzerland.

You never know. And he, I mean, he was talking about like, I think I'm going to move to Bahamas eventually. And I'm like, well, I see what you're talking about here. Yeah, of course. I don't know. I just filled out of form, paid my, whatever it was, $480. and got a new green card. Oh, well, there you go.

You're good then. You're good for another decade. Yeah, we'll talk about it in 2032. Yikes. Yikes. Yikes. As we wrap this up, I want to end with gratitude because that's such an important part of my life.

I don't think we did this last time. I think they did. Oh, okay. I wonder if it'll be the same three things then. Oh, God, I don't remember my three things. I'll see. I do this every morning. And before I go to bed, I say out loud three things I'm grateful for.

And it just kind of sets the tone for the day. So what are three things in your life that you're grateful for right now? My baby, my husband, and stability. So good. So good to catch up with you, too. Thank you for making the time. Yeah, thank you. Really good to see you.

How long until your baby is born? Two months tomorrow. Okay. Listen, get your dad's shoes ready. It's time to kick into high gear. I don't know the I don't know anything about this neither did I you figure it out I didn't know shit about shit and now I'm just firing in all cylinders you'll be all right we've got a whole room over here full of baby stuff oh yeah and a bunch of shit that you don't need 100% I did it I'm sure oh yeah so much

stuff that I'm like why did I buy this oh my god so I might be hitting you up and be like hey what what am I supposed to do please do I love it I love tolling out parent advice Congrats on everything. Thank you. And we didn't even talk about like you're also, you know, real quick. Tell us all the jobs you have right now. Oh my gosh. Well, right now I am a on-air personality broadcaster for all elite wrestling.

You can catch me on a dynamite on Wednesdays. I've heard of it. Rampage. Yeah, we're booked and busy doing all those things. I also host a podcast for the volume podcast network called The Sessions with me, Renee Piquette. I drop new episodes on Tuesdays and Thursdays, anywhere. that you listen to podcasts. And then just some fun side stuff.

We actually just started doing a new thing that's going to drop coming very soon called the Sneaker sessions where we're getting shoes and we're doing interviews and we're doing a little walk and talk kind of hang. And then I've got some fun cooking content coming out as well. So I'm just staying busy. You've also got some stuff with the Bengals too. And the Bengals. I've got my podcast with the Bengals called Renee All Day.

So hopefully once the season kicks back up, I will be back in there with the boys. I've done anything with Joe Burrow yet? No, he is like the holy grail. He's hard to get to. So hopefully if they bring me back again this coming season, that maybe they'll throw Burrow my way. I would love to hang out with Burrow. He seems like such a cool person to spend some time with. But I feel like a tough interview.

Ooh, that's a good point. Don't you think? He's a bit of a tough nut to throw. Yeah. I lived in Cleveland for five years, and I was there when LeBron was there. And he was the Holy Grail, right? He was like they had had a whole economy based on LeBron James playing basketball there. Yeah. Nobody got an interview with LeBron Jones. No, no. Though I will say Colin Coward with the volume, he had Burrow on once a week. He somehow figured that out. I guess Burrow was a fan of Collins, of course. And they figure something out where Burrow was. would join Colin once a week and like yeah kind of catch up in between games and whatnot so maybe uncle Colin can help me out with that a little bit too we'll see there it is well Renee so good to see you and thank you so much for hanging out here of course yeah good luck with the baby you guys are going to crush it um thanks for having me on and hopefully I'll see you soon

big thank you to Renee for joining us here big thank you to you as well for always being with us on this audio adventure, always being with us on this journey. Speaking of being on a journey, I tweeted out earlier this week. I've had a lot of people ask me about content creation, about YouTube and podcasts and everything. And I've put a lot of that info out there. I've been a guest on a bunch of different shows. If you want to go check those out, we talk about that a great length. But I've been thinking about writing a book that kind of puts all of this together. And I do did a podcast episode, I guess about a year ago now, that was called, What the F are You Waiting for? And I got such a great response from that from so many people who were sitting right there

on the precipice of wanting to do something and then never actually taking any of the steps forward to doing it. What the F are you waiting for? So perhaps that could be the title of this book. Perhaps that could be the title of a chapter in this book. But stay tuned. Stay tuned as this sounds like it's something that we're going to do here. Hope you enjoyed this chat with Renee. I just love that she brings it. With everything that she does, she brings it. Whether that's doing a segment with AEW,

whether that's on her podcast, the sessions, or whether that's in an interview like this one right here. She just brings it. Snap a screenshot and let us know what you loved the most about this. And tag us so we can share it. Renee's at Renee Piquette. I'm at Chris Van Fleet. And Edgar Khan said it best, and I will leave you with this quote from him.

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