Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Scorpio Sky on SCU's breakup, Ethan Page, Double or Nothing
Episode Date: May 26, 2021Scorpio Sky is a podcaster and professional wrestler signed to AEW. He joins Chris Van Vliet to talk about Double or Nothing, full capacity crowds returning to All Elite Wrestling, the break up of SCU... (SoCal Uncensored), partnering with Ethan Page, his sense of style, the biggest influence in his career, his Mixed Martial Arts career and much more!If you enjoyed this episode, could I ask you to please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcast/iTunes? It takes less than a minute and makes a huge difference in helping to spread the word about the show and also to convince some hard-to-get guests. For more information about Chris and INSIGHT go to: https://chrisvanvliet.com Follow CVV on social media: Instagram: instagram.com/ChrisVanVliet Twitter: twitter.com/ChrisVanVliet Facebook: facebook.com/ChrisVanVliet YouTube: youtube.com/ChrisVanVliet Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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here on Insight. I'm Chris Van Vleet, but I'm guessing since you're here each and every episode,
you might already know that, but thank you so much for being with us on this one. So good to
have Scorpio Sky back on the show. It's been almost two years since we talked to him, and a ton
has happened since then, for him as a performer, for him as a person, and just for AEW in general.
And there's a lot to dive into here, especially with Double or Nothing happening this weekend, with a
full capacity crowd. It's going to feel like 60,000 people there in Daly's place.
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reading out those reviews and seeing them, I don't know, it's really nice to just get right into
these. So let's do it right now. Let's dive into the juices.
of this conversation without further ado.
Please welcome Scorpio Sky.
All right, man. Good to see you.
Thank you, man. It's been a minute.
Yeah, it's been almost two years since our last interview.
And I mean, a lot has changed. A lot has changed since then.
Not that much.
No, no.
I mean, we did that interview the day before the first episode of Dynamite.
So the day before you debuted on TNT, the day before.
you won the tag team championships.
And that's just that, that's just what happened the next day.
So yeah, a lot's happened.
That is crazy.
Yeah, it's amazing to look back at everything that has taken place since then.
It was the infancy of dynamite and AEW was still a pretty new company at the time.
And yeah, look at us now.
What has changed the most for you personally, not for Scorpio Sky, the character, but for you personally, what's changed the most?
Holy cow. I mean, I think me personally I've grown as a performer.
I felt like I was already a very good performer heading into the beginning stages of AEW,
but I've learned a lot from Frankie and Chris still.
And then now I've been able to work with guys like Dean Malenko and Jerry Lynn, Arne Anderson,
and just performing. You know, you're going to learn so much by just getting out there
in swimming and I've grown so much and I think I still have a lot of ways to go from here.
What do you think is the biggest thing that you, I mean, you just listed off a ton of legends there.
What's the biggest thing that you think you apply to every single match now?
You know, they talk about it a lot in basketball where, you know, when, when things really
start to click for the player, they say the game slows down for them.
And for me, that's how it is in wrestling.
Like, it's slowed down a lot for me.
You can just see things coming.
And it's the same thing with like the fight game.
Like you see the punch is coming.
You can slip them and that sort of thing.
And so now I've become so calm in the ring.
There's no real jitters.
I don't really get nervous before going to the ring.
There have been times, you know, because we keep such a crazy schedule,
there are times when I'll fly into the town, head straight to the building.
And from the time I'm walking onto the grounds at Daly's Place,
I might be in the ring wrestling 15, 20 minutes later.
And as I'm not even ready,
no warm up sometimes.
You know, you just jump in.
But I'm so calm and confident in the people I'm with and myself that I don't really worry
about it at all.
So my patience and just, I've become a lot more calm and collected out there for myself.
Yeah, I mean, ECW had the ECW arena.
And, you know, as a result of COVID, AEW has Daley's place.
That's like, that's your home base.
How excited are you to fill that back up with fans?
for double or nothing.
Almost as excited as I am to leave it in July.
Nothing.
I mean, I'm very happy with Daly's Place.
It's been a great home for us,
but I'm very excited to leave and get back on the road
and fill some arenas like we used to.
That's the way I got into business to do, man,
which to travel every single week to a different town
and fill arenas and put on the type of shows
that we were putting on before the pandemic started.
But that being said,
double or nothing is going to be awesome, man.
it's going to be great to fill that place up,
which I can't even imagine what it's going to be like
to have a full crowd anymore.
Like, it's so strange to me.
I've gotten so used to pandemic wrestling
and looking out at ringside and seeing Austin Gunn.
I'm very excited to not see Austin Gunn in the front row anymore,
hopefully at least.
Not just a full crowd,
but a full crowd of people who have been clamoring for this,
like people that have been waiting for 14 months
to be there with other fans.
Yeah.
Yeah, and a lot of people forget one of the best things about this company was the fan base.
And that's why this company started and why it was successful.
The fan base were so passionate.
And they had such a fire for us.
And so it's exciting to get back out there in front of them.
Whenever I go back and I watch old tapes or tapes, that's such an old term, when I go back and watch old footage of, you know, when we're in the arenas, it's just so weird to think about.
Like, I remember a couple months ago we were joking about some old school wrestling.
We were talking about like the, I think of the Rock and Roll Express.
We were like, man, the crowd was so crazy back then.
And I was like, yeah, the crowd in AEW used to be crazy too.
We had them.
So it's, again, I can't say enough how exciting is to get back out in that environment.
You know, every time we see you, you were just dressed to the nines.
You are a fashionista.
And I am curious, the thought process that goes through your mind when you walk into your closet and pick out your clothes for travel that week.
Man, it's harder for me to pick out an outfit or a pair of sneakers than it is to do anything involving wrestling.
Like, that's the toughest, that's the toughest part of the job for me.
It's like, holy cow, what do I want to wear?
And, you know, sometimes there's there's situations where it's like, oh, I love these pants.
They look great.
And then it's like, ah, but if I bump, they could rip and they're pretty pricey and I like them.
And I don't want that to happen.
So, you know, it's hard to pick out what to wear and to make sure that it's something fresh and different.
But I love fashion.
I love style and getting the opportunity to show that now every week on dynamite has made things even more fun for me.
So that's really honestly becoming my favorite part of the whole thing.
And now everybody's doing it with sneakers or whatever.
Like I said this, maybe on my podcast, you like, you know, I started sneaker culture in AEW.
You know what I mean?
I was the guy that was like always talking about sneakers, always wearing the cool sneakers backstage.
And then everybody else started doing it.
And so like now, you know, the young bucks take it to the next level wearing the Dior's on TV and having, you know, blood dripping all over the breads.
And it's just like, you know, I'm happy that I was able to create that culture, though.
your tag team partner, Ethan Page, also a very well-dressed man. Is that one of the reasons that brought you guys together?
I don't know if maybe they looked at us backstage and they're like, well, they are the two best dressed guys.
We should just put them together.
I don't know if that's what it was.
But, you know, we bounce off of each other.
The funny thing is he has his style and I have mine and they are different.
But at the same time, they go together.
And we don't plan it.
We'll just, we'll wear what we wear.
And then we'll stand next to each other.
It's like, oh, wow, the flowers in my shirt match the color of your shirt and just things like that.
It just kind of falls in the place.
And that's kind of how him and my team has been since we started.
Things have just fallen into the place.
And we had this weird chemistry that I didn't see coming.
I don't think anybody saw coming.
I think when they put us together, people were like, this is weird.
Like, I don't get it.
I like both these guys individually.
But as a team, this is strange.
But it's working, man.
And sometimes, you know, magic just happens when you don't expect it.
Well, and right now, you're Scorpio Sky and Ethan Page,
but has there been any pressure to come up with a name for you guys?
There have been pressure from the fans.
Everyone's like, they have to have a name.
They have to have a name.
And I'm like, why do we have to have a name?
You know, like we could, you know, I like to think of us as two singles wrestlers teaming
rather than a tag team.
I don't necessarily think the tag team titles are our goal.
You know, obviously if we get there, we'll wrestle for them.
But I don't know, we kind of have a common goal of just of conquering,
getting TV time and getting the respect we deserve and hopefully one of us getting the T&T
championship at some point. But if it leads to a tag title shot, obviously, we'll swing at that.
Going back to your question that I completely danced away from, there has been a little bit of
discussion between the two of us about a name. We have not a solidified one yet. And I don't know
if we ever will, but we will see. I mean, you don't need a name, like you said. You don't need,
And the thing is, if it's not a great name, then it might not really work.
What if we were known as Chris Van Bleet's favorite tag team?
Oh my gosh.
That's a long name, though.
That'd be hard to put on a T-shirt.
Yeah.
And you own the name, so that might be tough to it.
I'm with you on this, though.
You know, both of you guys are such great heels that I feel like every time you cut a promo,
you guys are both out-healing each other.
It's so much more fun being the bad guy.
You know, I mean, it's weird because people look at me and they're like, oh, he's a natural baby face.
He's just such, he's a nice guy and blah, blah, but like at the same time, like, everyone has different sides to them.
And like, yeah, I am a legitimately really nice guy, which kind of makes you a bad guy in this day and age, you know, like, people don't like the nice guy, you know, sometimes.
And so it's, it's very easy for me to go out there and like smile and, and know, like, yeah, I'm, I'm a better athlete than most of the guys I'm going to be in the ring with.
And I'm better than most of the guys I'm going to be in the ring with.
And that's okay.
And you don't like it.
You're going to probably say, not you personally, but, you know, the fan base,
they're going to probably look for reasons to knock me and look for reasons to downplay my talent.
But you can't do it because, I mean, like, I'm going to go out there and I'm going to outperform
everyone that is across the ring for me.
And so you can't take that away from me.
I mean, you're insanely athletic.
I want to know what your sports were growing up.
I will say this.
One thing I do want to get into about that.
Please.
It's slightly controversial.
They tend to describe black performers in sports as great athletes.
And I don't take that as an insult.
I believe that is a very, very, it's a great compliment.
But that's not all we are, you know.
And sometimes it gets to be, you know, I read, I read tweets and I read, you know, from time to time.
I'll read tweets and I'll read, you know, things people write.
And I don't want to just be known as a great athlete.
Everyone knows I'm a great athlete.
But I'm also a great wrestler.
I'm a great performer.
And right on the mic.
Yeah, I'm one of the best.
Yeah, one of the best.
Very handsome.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You're the man.
It's just one of those things like, you know, you don't look.
When, when they write about Adam Page, you know, it's like, oh, he's got a lot of charisma.
he's so good. He's good at drinking.
It's never just, oh, he's a great athlete.
And so that's just something, that's a narrative that I want to, I want to call attention to
and start changing.
Now, we are more than athletes, you know, like LeBron actually has that as a t-shirt,
more than an athlete, more than athletes.
And again, I just want to call attention to that.
What were the sports you played growing up?
Okay, getting back to that question.
Yeah, I completely agree with you.
And I've seen this narrative where it's like the black athletes are athletic.
and the white athletes are cerebral.
Yeah, it's crazy because we get put into this box.
And, you know, I don't want to go on a rant about it.
But we get it put into this box in the sense of sometimes if you are like,
especially if you're a black male performer,
if you aren't a rapper or some type of a street guy as your character,
a lot of fans or maybe even people in the business just think that you don't have any character
or charisma.
And so, you know, there's nothing could be more ridiculous than that, you know.
It's just, it's old thinking that, you know, they want to put us in this box that they're used to seeing and they're comfortable with.
And I don't even think it's intentional, but it's just, again, what they're used to seeing.
And so it's all about calling awareness to that and changing it.
Now, let me get to your question that you've asked twice.
I actually did not play a lot of sports when I was a kid.
I played a little soccer.
And funny enough, when I was a kid,
I actually had a problem with my legs
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And, you know, I just, I grew out of it, whatever it was.
Played a little soccer, played a little bit of baseball, took some karate when I was a kid,
and then when I was older, that's when I kind of started, like, I did a little high school
wrestling, and obviously I did MMA for a couple of years. So I just kind of grew into my
athleticism. I didn't really, I don't know if I was like a born athlete. I just,
I mean, I guess there was obviously some genes there, but I just kind of grew into it.
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What made you make the shift?
I mean, obviously you were, you trained as a pro wrestler.
You were working as a pro wrestler.
And then in the middle of that, you made the shift and you were an MMA fighter.
What made you make that shift?
It was just something I always wanted to do.
I always loved mixed martial arts from the time when I was a kid and martial arts in general, you know.
And I always wanted to fight.
It was something I always said I was going to do.
And then eventually I got so wrapped up in wrestling that eventually I got to a point.
I was like, okay, I better do this at some point.
before I get too old to do it.
And so that's when I started training.
I got LinkedIn with a great team,
who I'm still very close friends with,
all those guys.
And I trained.
And I just wanted to fight because I'm a competitor, man.
Like, I'm really, really competitive.
Like, I'm like, there's just nothing like going out there
and stepping into a cage and the feelings that you get before stepping into a cage.
And even just training for the fight and really earning it.
You know,
that's that's something that is a great accomplishment.
I can't tell you the rush that there is after you win a fight.
And even after you lose the fight,
which I only lost one,
but it's just,
the highs and lows are so extreme.
It's like a drug,
but,
you know,
without putting anything into your body.
What made you decide this was fun,
but my memory career is over now?
I don't think my MMA career is over.
You know,
I actually,
you know,
there's,
there's been a while though.
It's not a likely chance that I'm going to fight again, but, you know, if the right opportunity
present itself, I would fight again. And I, and I was, I had multiple fights lined up that,
you know, ultimately like guys pulled out of. And that was one of the things that frustrated
me a lot about the sport is you take a fight and sign about agreement. You train for six to eight
weeks. And then maybe a week or so before the fight, the other guy just pulls out. Why do you pull out?
I don't know. You got anybody else for me to fight? No, unless you want to go up two weight classes.
Okay, well, you know, maybe I don't want to go up two-weight classes and fight some guys 50 pounds bigger than me.
So that happened to be a lot.
Sometimes, again, they were able to find replacements and sometimes they weren't.
I had probably two or three fights lined up that, you know, ultimately fell through.
And that just became frustrating.
That combined with refocusing on pro wrestling, which is insanely time consuming already, especially once I got with Ring of Honor and then later on with AEW to where I'm traveling a lot.
It's just impossible to try to train for a fight.
I mean, you know, guys do it.
You know, Jake Hager does it.
But to train three to five days in a week,
well, to get ready for a fight, you know,
when I'm on the road, maybe three to five days in a week.
It's just very difficult.
Yeah.
Who would you say is your biggest influence outside of wrestling?
And it might be someone that, you know, you know,
or maybe it's someone that you look up to that you haven't met yet.
Well, Muhammad Ali was a huge influence for me, you know,
from the time that I was third.
or 14 years old. And I, you know, I'd always heard the name. And then I was like a freshman
in high school and we had to do a book report. And, you know, just like a lot of kids do, I waited until
the last day or two before it was due to actually start reading a book. And my mom had this
Muhammad Ali book and I picked it up and I just started reading. And I couldn't put it down.
And I wrote that report and I did, I got like an A plus on it. And I just, but his story just
really, really captivated me. And, and, you know, I, after watching just,
dozens of documentaries over the years.
I just grew to idolize the man and what he stood for.
And not even,
even if you take away all of the stuff that he did outside of the sport,
which had a greater impact than what he did in the sport,
even if you just take what he did in the sport,
he's,
he's a,
you know,
a multi-legent.
Like,
he made,
he did amazing things.
He beat all the best fighters of his era when he was past his prime.
And so another guy that I,
I would also, you know, compare myself to, and I talked about this before, was James J. Braddock, who was the Cinderella man.
And I mentioned this in the past that my career and his were very similar in the sense of you got in, you had all this promise.
And then you went through these rough years where it looked like you were basically done.
And then you had this like career reemergence.
And so, you know, I used to call myself the Cinderella man of wrestling.
And it's kind of just, that wasn't like a media thing that I wanted to do.
It was just, that's just how I felt about myself.
So those were two big influences.
And I've got so many more that have kind of,
I've always kind of considered myself a little bit of a documentary on sports,
all wrapped up of all these great stories wrapped up into one.
And that created me.
I mean, when you think about what's ahead for you,
do you think about your legacy?
You know, I'm somebody who doesn't look backwards because I'm,
I'm always, and I think you have to be that way if you are a high level performer.
And it's one of those things where, you know, when Michael Jordan won his first championship,
he was thinking about the next one.
He wasn't like, oh, man, I'm an NBA champion now.
I'm good.
No, he was like, I got to win the next one.
And Kobe was the same and LeBron is the same.
And all these guys are high level.
They don't look back.
It's just like, okay, cool, did that?
That's behind me.
okay, did that, that's behind me. So I mean, if I had to stop wrestling today, I look at it like,
I don't even have a legacy, you know what I mean? Because I don't focus on what I've already done.
I'm looking at what I still want to do and what I still need to do. And that's inside and outside
of wrestling. I've got a lot of things that I'd love to do in the business. And now also I've got
a lot of things I want to do outside of the business. So that's where my mind is. I'm looking at
the windshield, not the rear view. I mean, I guess when you're paired up with guys like,
Frankie Cazarian and Christopher Daniels, who, you know, have walked in those steps before and maybe
have 10 years on you or a little bit more, you can go, oh, okay, I will stand on the shoulders of those
who stood before me. Well, you know, that was part of why I embraced the opportunity to step
away from SCU and be a singles guy. And I, and I told Frankie and Christus, I said, you guys
have already created your legacy. Anything you do from here on out is extra. But you guys, you guys
are legends. You guys have been champions in multiple places. As a team, you are legends and
individually, you are legends. But at the time I said this, I said, if everything ended today
for all three of us, I would think I would be known as just the third member of SCU. And so I need
to step away and I need to create my own path. And so that's what everything going forward is
triggered for me. And that's the direction I'm going in is creating my own path. I still rely on
them for guidance because they are two of the best ever.
And they're both so intelligent.
And I've learned so much.
And there's no coincidence that I have become a much better performer from the time I
first linked up to them to today.
They have taken me to that next level.
And I still, you know, whether it's on camera or not, SDU is always going to be a thing,
you know, behind the scenes.
But, you know, again, it's, it's time for me to create my own legacy.
Well, you are the face of the revolution.
That's what they say.
And I think that that was a big moment for, I don't know, the fans to go, oh, Scorpio Sky's the guy.
Scorpio Sky is the guy.
Maybe.
You know, and this is, this comes from a, you know, you can take this however you want to take it is, is, it was a big match.
And it was a, it was a huge accomplishment for me in the sense of I was coming off of an injury.
And I was actually even before the injury, I was just struggling so much with my place in the wrestling business.
And excuse me, so to literally like climb that ladder and grab that brass ring was a good moment for me.
But then you turn around, you lose a couple of days later in the title match.
So it's like you getting quite, you got to the top of the mountain, then you slipped right back down.
So you have to climb your way back up and try to get over the hill.
So that's the next step is winning the.
big one. You know, I think that was like the setup for the big one. Now I have to win the big one,
which by that I just have to take myself to the next level because nobody's going to give it
to me. I have to do it myself. So when you talk about goals in the ring, that's definitely one of them.
Well, yeah, of course, you know, if you don't want to be a champion, then what are you doing?
You know what I mean? Like, I get that, you know, winning an NBA championship is
quite different from winning a championship in wrestling. But, you know, I like to think of
a championship of wrestling as
like getting like an Emmy or something.
You know what I mean?
It's like a reward.
At the same time,
it's trust that,
you know,
the company is putting that trust in you.
And then,
you know,
kind of from,
I guess,
a Mark standpoint is,
you know,
the people aren't going to see you as a high level,
top performer unless you are a champion.
If you look at,
if you look at a lot of guys that,
you know,
were not considered top guys.
It wasn't necessarily due to their talent.
You know,
and that's like that in sports too.
If you look at somebody like a Charles Barkley,
who is,
you know,
one of the greatest players ever,
but he never won a championship.
So he's not going to be held to the same regard as some of the other guys that have.
So,
you know,
that's just kind of how things work.
And so the only way to change that is to go out and do it.
Yeah.
I want to be super respectful of your time.
So I just have a few more questions.
before we wrap this thing up. I'm also a big wine fan and I want to know what your go-to
wine usually is. Yeah, man, I'm not a, like, I love wine. I don't think I would consider
myself like a wine snob. You know, I will drink cheap wine if it's good. Yeah, because I've had,
I've had a $100 bottle wine that was okay and I've had $8 bottle wine. That's fantastic. Like,
My go-to is usually apothec red, and you can get that anywhere, you know, from $8 to $20,
depending on where you buy it.
30 if you buy it in a restaurant.
But I like Mnajitwa.
Just, you know, there's one I really want to try that is an expensive one called Sessicaia,
and I've heard really good things about that.
But yeah, again, you know, if it's red and it's good, I'm all for it.
What about you?
Red as well.
I'm on a big Pino-Noir kick right now, but I'm never going to turn down.
a glass of anything, really.
There you go.
Next time I see you, we will have one together.
Hell yeah, let's do it.
I end every conversation talking about gratitude
because I think that if you can be grateful,
you'll live a great life.
So what are three things in your life
that you're grateful for right now?
My insanely good looks,
my incredibly talented body over.
I'm just kidding.
Before anything else, my help.
you know, because your health is,
health is well,
is what they say.
So, you know,
and I've had injuries and I've seen guys that had injuries.
So,
and even outside of injuries,
you know,
there's,
you know,
coming out of a pandemic,
where,
you know,
the president has talked about it.
Some people don't have,
some people have empty seats at their,
their dinner tables.
And so above everything else,
I'm,
I'm happy for my,
for my health.
I'm,
I'm happy that I'm able to live the dream and work in,
the business that I grew up loving and obsessing over.
And I know a lot of people would love to do it and aren't fortunate enough or lucky enough
or blessed enough to be able to do it.
And so I am incredibly grateful that I'm able to work in this business and make a living
in this business.
And the third one is the people around me and the guidance I have received from people inside
and outside of the wrestling business that have made me who I am.
I'm also grateful for them.
Love it.
So good to catch up with you, man.
Yeah, man.
It's good to see you.
You know, it's always, you always make me feel less attractive.
So I appreciate that.
I was going to say the exact same thing.
I appreciate it, man.
Thank you so much.
All right.
Take care.
There you have of my friends, Scorpio Sky.
And I think it goes without saying that the sky is,
the limit for him, both as a tag team competitor and as a singles competitor. Big thanks to him
for taking the time out during a very busy double or nothing week to chat with us. And a big
thank you to you, as always, for hanging out. Take a screenshot. Let us know what stood out for you the
most from this conversation. Tag us on social media. He's at Scorpio Sky. I am at Chris Van Fleet.
And since Scorpio is such a huge Los Angeles Lakers fan, I will leave you with a quote from the late
great Kobe Bryant, may he rest in peace.
Everything negative.
Pressure, challenges is all an opportunity for me to rise.
Be great, be grateful.
We will see you on the next one for some more insight.
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Why?
Because I have a job to do.
With rapid fire takes.
So I don't want to hear from you lava pigs on this notion today.
No idea what you're talking about.
You're complaining more.
than you like to breathe air.
It's like you get up in the morning
only to complain and cry and moan
on social media
about things that you don't even understand.
He's the spitfire of sports smack.
Take advantage of it, but get up in here.
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