Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Simon Miller: WhatCulture, WHY and Wrestling!

Episode Date: June 26, 2019

Simon Miller from WhatCulture joins Chris in London for the crossover interview you’ve been asking for! Simon talks about working for WhatCulture, their feud with Tama Tonga and Haku at the Bullet Club Street Party, training to be a wrestler, his cohosts leaving for Cultaholic and much more Audio equipment provided by Samson Technologies: bit.ly/CVVSamson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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There's still time. In fact, you can do it as I'm speaking this right now. And if you don't, it's okay. You're still awesome. I love you anyway. So I just got back from a trip to London where I did this interview with Simon Miller, who you'll know from what culture. Simon's probably the nicest guy that you'll ever meet.

I randomly emailed him a week before I left for London and I said, hey, I'm flying in on a Tuesday. I land at 10 a.m. I've got a bit of free time before I interview the cast of Spider-Man for my day job, hosting Deco Drive in Miami. Can we do the interview that day? He said, absolutely, I'll even come to you. Although, on my way to the airport in Miami,

I realized that I somehow forgot to pack my microphones and tripod, which is obviously pretty important if you're planning to do an interview. I was actually scared because of this that I wasn't going to be able to do the interview because I didn't want the audio to sound like crap. I wasn't going to do it if that was the case. I emailed James DeLo, the host of, gorilla position because I was going to be a guest on his podcast right before this interview with Simon was scheduled. I said, is there anyway, James, that I can borrow your mics? James said,

yeah, of course, no problem. So a massive thank you to James for not only having me on your show, but also for saving this interview with Simon and lending me your gear. That's amazing. That was the mics. Instead of a tripod, because I didn't have one, I just, I propped my camera up for the YouTube video using some teacups and saucers that happened to be in my hotel room. How British, right? So this is such a great chat with Simon. But first, the Chris Van Fleet Show is brought to you by Green Roads and not all CBD products are created equal.

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They're making us sound great and helping us out. So samsonTech.com is where you can check out their full lineup of very affordable stuff. So Simon's a lifelong wrestling fan, like you, like me, like all of us. But you also know that he's now a wrestler, and he has been for the last three years. Congrats to him on that. We dig into that. We also dig into this whole split between what culture and cultaholic and a ton of other stuff. So here you go.

It's the interview that'll make you say, why? It's Simon Miller. We're making this happen. Beyond. Yeah. I mean right now. Here it is. The wonder of the internet

What crazy thing we could do in 2019? If we had wanted to do this 20 years ago, you'd have to walk to one of those machine gun cameras. And you can't, you can't, there's just not a way to live anymore. No. I heard someone talking about this recently. He was saying, you know, right now we can go live by clicking a button on our phone.

I mean, you know, how crazy is that? If you wanted to go live even five years ago, you had to own a TV station. Exactly. I have one of those weird directing panels. Yeah. That I still don't understand. And I see people, they look really, they look like a kind of child's play set.

And then you see someone using it like the most complicated bit of equipment I've ever seen in my life. And you'd also need 15 or 20 employees. Now it's just like that. It's just us. Sat here doing this. Yeah. In London, England, a wonderful place. It is.

I'm here for, you know, just two days. And I'm like, I got to talk to Simon if I'm here. That's very kind, man. Like when you did message me, I was, I was very flattered. I'm not going to lie. Really? I was like, well, are you? Yeah, I was. Why pretend otherwise?

I was a bit like, I had that little guy, you know, he always had two guys on your shoulder. Yeah. And had one guy, I was like, why didn't you want to talk to us? It's like, you know, that guy hasn't quite caught up with everything else. I don't know. I guess he just wants it. Let's just go with it. And that guy's like, yeah, Simon, you've got it.

I'm like pat him on the head. Yeah, no. I'm a big fan and congrats on everything you're doing. That's very kind, man. I appreciate it, which is weird because I was a fan of your stuff as well. Which always sounds like a lie when people say it, doesn't it? It's like the expected response. But it's true.

I've been watching all the stuff that you've been doing because obviously over the last few months I would say you can see the curve you can see oh who's the Chris guy doing all the wrestling stuff I'm the Chris guy doing the wrestling stuff and it's funny when you compliment someone you say I'm a big fan of your work you always want to be the first person saying because the second person is like

yeah of course yeah I'm also yeah it's true because you just sound like you just make it up like etiquette just say and hope he doesn't ask anything about it otherwise we're screwed not true at all obviously the Cody one blew up but even before that I'd seen sort of a bit drips and drabs dropping and then yeah man they're just fun nice interviews which is not it's not a

rarity in wrestling but a lot of people obviously have always gone in with the power yeah where's the shoot sometimes you just want to hear wrestlers talk the weirdest thing is the biggest comment i get on my interviews is thanks for letting the people talk and i'm like yes that is why i invited them to have a conversation with me now that's that's what's like wrestling isn't it some people want to get themselves over that's what it's all about they want to get themselves over more power to them If that's what you want to do, good for you. Sure. If that's your thing, sure.

Yeah. But I'm, you know, I'm here. I invited you on the show because I want to talk to you. I'm honored to be here, genuinely. Yeah. This is, yeah, I told, I told my girlfriend, she didn't get wrestling at all. It's like, fom. It's just, I don't know what that means.

I said, don't worry, but it'll be a good day. It would be a good day. So, yeah, no, I'm really happy to be here, man. Thank you very much. Thank you. I guess the biggest question is why. Exactly. And I have to go, here's why and slap my head.

Yeah. Isn't it weird that that's, if you had told me that when I was a child, and I, like, we're, it's like, that's a weird thing to happen. But yeah, I mean, why there is no answer. Apart from here, there is not true at all, isn't it? Here's why is always the answer. I get that. Some people go, why?

I'm like, the answer is literally always been here's why every time. I think we just learned something here. I did. It's like existential up in here. It is. With the head slapping, people compare you to Rye back. Yeah, oh, geez, do it. you've met right back as well

right back's a great guy yeah he seems like a nice dude yeah I mean I get it I'm a bald guy and you know the best one is Wyback that's the best thing and when I started wrestling everyone was like oh you should be in a team with Ryback and be called whyback and I was like actually to be fair

if that could happen that would more beneficial for me than him but still yeah no I get it I get it if you're a bald dude that lifts weights and you're in wrestling I get Goldberg I get Ryberg I get Sezara I get Zahara's less down Cizaro's like number three and then

Ryback and Goldberg are like Eking it out for one and two. That's quite a compliment, actually. I think they're all pretty much compliments. I mean, like, Ryback is a tank. Goldberg is one of the most successful pro wrestlers ever. And Cesaro is just the dude, isn't he? So, you know, people, sometimes people say it as an insult.

And I'm like, I'm not offended by any of this. Just so you're aware, like, it's really nice that you're comparing me to these successful people. Yeah. Can you tell me some more great wrestlers than I like? Exactly. It's like, it's all right. So, yeah, no, I get all of it. And I love it.

I'll have it until, you know, as long as it can continue to go, I hope that it goes. As someone myself who trained to be a wrestler at 20 and couldn't balance it with school and everything else going on, I'm really impressed that you're doing this in your 30s. Thank you, man. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't suggest it for everybody because your knees and elbows and shoulders go far quicker than they should. But yeah, it was one of those things where, I mean, it was we documented the whole wrestling journey thing on what culture, obviously. And it was just one of those things that deep down, because I tried to train in my 20s as well, but I just wasn't mentally ready for it, I guess,

because you change as a person as you grow up. You get different experiences, and that gives you certain confidence or some kind of self-assuredness or whatever. Even self-worth. Your self-worth goes up too. I just couldn't handle it mentally. It just broke me apart.

But I knew I had one more, like, attempt in me. So, you know, when I started working at what culture and we were looking for new series ideas and, lo and behold, a wrestling school just happened to open 20 minutes from my house. I mean, it was all these things where I was like, I think this is your one last opportunity to do it. And yet it all just came together to the point where it made sense.

And thankfully, so far, it's been going okay. But this isn't something like, like, I'm taking piano lessons right now. And like I won't take. That's awesome. Yeah, it is. Like, I'm very big on, like, trying to learn a new skill. Oh, man. Hell yeah.

Yeah. Every day. So, like, if I don't take a piano lesson this week, no big deal. I'll take one next week because I'm in London right now. But, like, with wrestling school, like, that's committing, like, a big chunk of time and, like, a big part of your life to it. Yeah, absolutely, and it's hard. Like, there's no point otherwise, but I kind of always lived by the idea that good things are hard to get to. And the hardness isn't a, it's not a negative hard, it's a positive hard, this means it's a challenge here that you've got to overcome.

And there's going to be some ups and downs along the way. See, live the gimmick. Live the gimmick. But it's true. And it's the same thing with the gym, it's the same thing with wrestling, same with everything. I love doing it. And that's the key. I'm passionate about it.

And I've got that weird thing in my stomach where when you don't do it, there's that hole starts to appear. I need to fill that hole with things. And it just so happened that wrestling finally fit. So, yeah, I go all over the place now for training schools. And I'm not saying, oh, I'm so great or anything like that. But even if one I want to go to is a few hours away, I will go.

Because I know the experience I'm going to get is gold. I know when I'm driving back, I will have learned. And then I can use that progressing. Because who knows how long that's going to go on for. You know, it could go on for. another month it could go on for another six years you don't know like there's just no way to tell so I it's the same with everything that

I do enjoy it now act and live like it will go on for a long time but always be aware that you can't account for anything and when you've got that in your head you're like you know what screw it man let's just go let's just see where it ends up but you must have a goal though with wrestling so what's the goal it's the worst answer ever

my goal is just to get better which I know sounds rubbish okay but that's what it's about that's a good short term goal exactly because originally it was just to have a match and then I thought maybe I can have a match and sort of cross it off and then I had a match and I was like no that's the most addictive thing ever

so I've got to make sure I do that again and then it was okay well now let's get good let's establish ourselves as not because I love the fact I think it's really important to have something unique when you get into wrestling and being a YouTuber that covers wrestling to becoming a wrestler I think there's something cool about that

not everyone thinks that but I think there's something cool about that but at the same time you want to get to the point where you're not the YouTube wrestler, you're a wrestler who also does YouTube, you know what I mean?

Because people just look at you and go, oh wow, he knows what he's doing. So that's my goal right now. And what comes of that? I don't know. That's my question.

I don't know. I just need to see. Because right now I'm still in the very much the learning phase. Well, everyone's always in a learning phase. But I'm in like the actual learning phase. Not like,

oh, I should, you know, work on my ring psychology. I'm like, did I run the ropes right? So there's a big difference. And I think it's always, is good to, you know, small baby step goals, I think are good.

And that's where I am right now. Wherever it goes, it goes. And yeah, by the end of 2019, I'd like to get to the point where I look back to now and go, oh, man, over that last six months, I'm really developed, you really evolved. So, and if that happens, then we can start 2020 with a whole new, a whole new outlook. That works for me. I think they say that if you don't look back and you're, if you're not embarrassed when you look back, then you're not doing something right.

Like, you're not progressive. Absolutely, right? Because that means, yeah, you haven't changed. And things are in the same place. I used to work in video games, and I used to have this award ceremony called, one of the awards is called Rising Star. And I always wanted someone to win Rising Star back to back, because you could go, dude, you didn't rise. You just stood in exactly the same place. And I think that's the same with life, like I really do.

You don't necessarily have to progress. It doesn't even have to be sort of like a progression where you get to the end of it and you're like, oh, wow, I achieved X, Y, and Z. It can just be, I learned a lot. Great, I learned a lot. How do I take, though, and make sure that I don't do it again? and I become a better person. So, yeah, the bottom line right now is that I love the wrestling. It has, again, filled something in me that did need filling.

And let's see where it goes, man. You know, it's early, early days still. That's the thing. I understand. Some people, five, six years before they even get competent. So, you know, you can't get ahead of yourself. You've got to take it easy. And enjoy it.

That's the key. You've got to enjoy this stuff. What were you doing before what culture? Well, before what culture? I was, video games were where I began. Like reviewing them? Yeah, yeah, well, I used to run a, I did loads of stuff, like, sort of way, way back in the day. I worked for magazines and things like that, worked my way up to editor.

Then the internet became a thing. So you're like, well, I don't work on these magazines anymore. Like, I needed to get on the internet. So, technically before, like, physically before I started working at what culture, I was working for a video game website. I was their editor-in-chief. But it was, it was, it was so, I mean, the reason I went there is because YouTube was becoming so big. And I was utterly obsessed with YouTube. Like, when I was working, even for companies in sort of like 2010, 2011, before.

or the boom. I was like, guys, we really need to get on this YouTube thing. And of course, everyone goes, ha ha, YouTube, we've got a DVD. And you're like, that's the best idea ever heard. And yeah, because their website, VideoGamer.com, was so focused on YouTube, I got involved with that. And that's kind of where I just started doing a load of gaming videos. They got some traction, but not like YouTube traction. They found a niche audience. And those, bless those people, they've followed me all the way through. So, you know, I love them to death. But yeah, but that just taught me what work, what doesn't work, how can we get more comfortable in front of a camera,

tried some things. We did a lot of wrestling-inspired stuff on that channel because I, and again, I never, if you do this, that's great, each to their own. But I was just a bit bored of the whole video, you watch a video game YouTube channel, especially sort of four or five years ago, and it was just, here's a review, here's an interview, here's a preview. And it was all kind of controlled, they get it by the system, by PRs and gaming companies, of course,

because that's the world we live in. I didn't mind that, but I was like, well, I don't want to do, what's the point? Again, where's the uniqueness? Where's the originality? So I was like, well, I like that wrestling. So we came up with a weekly series and we all played character-called versions of ourselves. But we got the gaming news through these little sort of YouTube videos. So you could tune in for us.

I mean, it got out of control eventually. Like by the end, there was like a civil war going on between us and the buildings were blowing up. But that's what we did. And so, you know, if we had a review event, we'd go to the review event, but we would do it as our characters, and we would work in story elements. Because I thought, well, that's what I like, and there'd always be fake fights and things like that. But it served me really, really well. That's where I cut my teeth. And then when the what culture opportunity came up, don't get me wrong, if you go back and watch early what culture videos of me now, unbearable.

I mean, I struggle to watch myself now, but back then, unbearable. So, yeah, I think that's when I got all my experience in that sense, before. for evolving, again, moving on everything that we've talked about. Did what culture, like, did you audition for it? I mean, kind of. People always want an amazing story. It started because I saw a tweet. Okay.

This is an amazing story. Yeah, what culture put out a tweet. There's lots of big, you know, publishing houses do. And there was something like, do you like wrestling, do you do videos. We're looking to hire people. And I was like, I do those things. So I'd actually started doing wrestling content on the video game and a channel. Because I was like, we shouldn't just be focusing on video games.

We should try and be entertained. Just test the waters. So I cut a few of those together. I sent them over, as well as some of my video game stuff, to show what I could do. They gave me a trial run, which is fair. So that was like an audition, yeah. Got loads of feedback. And then, yeah, they put that video live.

It did well. Well, as well as it ever does when all of a sudden a new voice and personality pops up on a well-established. Screw that guy. Die. Die. And it was one of those things where it just took it from there. Again, one video at a time, and now here we are. And I'm very lucky.

How many videos are you putting out or are you, you know, are you mandated to put out each week? Well, me personally. Well, I mean, if you watch the channel, obviously, because a lot of it is evergreen content, so it can come out whatever. But personally, I aim to try and do like eight videos. Eight videos a week is always my, it's always my goal. Yeah, I like to work. Eight! I like to work.

And obviously, there's loads of other great writers and video guys at What Culture Do on the website and the YouTube channels too. But, you know, I like to work. If I'm not working, this is the thing. That's such an asshole thing to say. But work to me is not work. Work to me, I get to review Raw. And I get to say why Rusev's the greatest man ever. Do you know what I mean?

This is, this is. And you love Shane McMahon. I love you, Shane McMahon. The thing is I do like Shane McMahon. This is the thing. I loved it when he came back in 2016. I loved it. I remember being in my,

I was in a tiny flat at the time. Tiny. I hated that place. But I remember being my tiny flat. and I had raw playing on my TV. When I had that music, I turned around with this, I was, I was, I couldn't believe it. Here comes the money. Here comes the money.

Especially because I was doing my wrestling podcast then, which has been going for eons now. And I'd said to the guy I had on as a joke, I said, eh, did I just bring Shane McMahon back? We all laughed. And then, you know, he came back. So it was great. So, I mean, it's not Shane McMahon that I don't like. It's just that you could do it with anyone. If you over-exposed somebody week in, week out, eventually,

Just as a fan, I get a bit like, yeah, I could see less of you. That would be anyone, though. You could do it with Stone Cold Steve Austin back in the day. Well, it's tough because WWE has so much, you know, like it's raw. Then it's Smackdown. Then it's NXT. Then it's 205 Live. There's so much out there.

And they have a giant roster, and we see the same 10, 12 people all the time. Exactly. And the wild card rule hasn't necessarily help with that. But it's really, really hard. I don't, even though obviously I have a review. show. I never tried to be too overly critical about things that I know are hard to pull off.

Like you'll never, people think this is true, but it's not. I will never say that was a crap match. Because to me, there is no such thing as a crap match. And people, I understand they roll their eyes at me. But because I've done it and I know how hard it is, I don't have it in me. I will say that wasn't a match that I enjoyed, but I would never

go, this match was crap because that arm drag was a pile of rubbish. I'm like, that's, it probably was a pile of rubbish, but I don't feel comfortable saying it just because hey everyone knows that's not that's not something you can debate over someone botches an arm drag you can botch an arm drag and I know usually nine times out of ten the person that will be beating themselves up is the performer yeah so I will never ever try to criticize too hard in that sense because I just don't think it I don't know I just there's too much

negative in wrestling as well and I like to try and for sure yeah there are other things you can focus on in terms of why didn't the story make sense or as opposed to a human being made a mistake in the ring. We've got Botcherania for that. He's smashing it. He's smashing it. You can go check it out. So, yeah, my thing is always trying to look at them more, you know, above. And one of the hard things is, you know, how do you work in everybody and give them credible

storylines? I mean, it can be done because we've seen WWE do it before. Just as of right now, that's not one of their strong suits for whatever reason. And I've been saying that we're just kind of in the post-Resslemia lull. It's tough because there's all this build up to WrestleMania. and then afterwards it kind of goes into a dip, up for SummerSlam, dip, and then up for Survivor Series.

And I think that people are so quick to criticize the product. Like, we're all wrestling fans here. Whether you like WW, AE, W Ring of Honor, Impact, New Japan, whatever. We're wrestling fans, and I think that that's the bottom line. I mean, that's my thing.

And I get this more than anything on social media and stuff. You're too positive. You're not calling the WWE to task, even when you can watch an episode of ups and downs and I've just completely said that was bad, this was bad, but, you know, because I said one thing was good, but that to

me is, I think people should be allowed to be as negative as they want, but I also think people have to be allowed to be as positive as they want. I know it's a minority, but there are this contingent of people out there who will go searching for those who are saying, oh, I like to Raw this week, and they'll tear them down. And I'm like, just don't

do that. You can say that it was the worst show you've ever seen, and genuinely, if you get a source of fun by watching it and ripping into it on Reddit, I get it. I get it. There is something fun to that, like the mob mentality kind of a thing. But make sure you keep it there. Like, I see so many people, and bless the hearts for getting in touch with me, like it's humbling to say the least, saying, you know, Simon, I like W.W.E.

And you make me feel like it's okay to continue to like WWE. And I always sit there and I shake my head, like, how, that's what a lovely message to receive. And I think it's really important because you shouldn't, you can get someone saying, oh, I don't agree with you. Let's have a chat. But if you think that's what Twitter is, you are. wildly mistaken. And that's the only thing that I think is a genuine problem. Like if you enjoy Drake Maverick wetting himself,

I mean, genuinely awesome. Because they wanted to entertain you and they did. But with the same token, if you thought it was terrible, that's good as well. But we just need this, I sound like a hippie. But it's true. We just need that piece of love and just to accept people's opinions. And, you know, and look, if the naysayers are right,

and in 10 years time, all this duds need to WWE going up, so don't believe in any sense. But even if it does, okay, you were right. And you can gloat about it then. But right now, let Pete in Brighton enjoy his rubbish episode of war. Just let him enjoy it. Let him enjoy it. It's okay.

I do think it's hard to make three hours of television. Oh, three hours is too long, isn't it? It's difficult. Now, I work in television and I have, you know, my entire career. Three hours is a lot. Like, that's basically telling people to watch a movie and a half every single Monday night. Exactly. And a bit of Smackdown, which now obviously ties in and trying to remember.

remember all the stories. You can't do anything for three hours. You just can't. I love the gym, right? I don't want to go for three hours. I really, really don't like eventually after about that two months. I'm like, I can probably go home and get some, you know, food now. So, but I understand it as well. That extra hour makes WWE loads of money. Of course. And it's a business. And I don't think you can ever forget about that because it's true. But again, don't have to like it. That's the key. You don't have to like it. You're more than able to go, well, maybe they should put the fan experience before this extra money they're making in the third hour. And then I go, And there's the debate.

See, that's the cool stuff to talk about as opposed doom and gloom. Die, everybody die. Have you always been a gym guy? Yeah, again, my first love, well, other than wrestling, I mean, wrestling was my first love when I was like a, you know, six, seven years old. But in terms of when you're kind of in adolescence or whatever you want to say, yeah, I went into a gym when I was 16 years old. And it sounds so dumb, but it's true.

I did one like dumbbell curl. My brain just went, yeah, we'd do this for a while. And that was it. And it was just, it just made so much sense to my, it sense to my brain. And again, I don't mind talking about it

because, you know, it's all on my own personal YouTube channel. It helped because I got bullied when I was in school as well, quite badly. But again, that ties into my mentality

with the wrestling. My brain just took a while to just understand who I was as a person. And, yeah, and finding the gym was a great way for me to, that's when my confidence started. And especially when, you know, it takes a while,

but after the first couple of years, when you do start to, see proper changes and people start to comment on it and you're like oh wow like that's something i put loads of work into and now i'm seeing the results down the line maybe i'll apply this to my life so you think i'll do oh it's working and you're like yeah so i without the gym i'm just not very happy no i'm always a happy person but i'm a much more i'm a better person don't you mean it's some strange correlation that people have though like oh if you work out and have muscles you must be stupid I don't understand why that's a thing.

I don't know. I don't know because it makes me, it made me a much more productive and well-rounded person going to the gym. I can't really explain why, but it did. I guess it's just a stereotype, isn't it? It is. It is. Wee.

Maths book. I don't know. I don't understand that connection. But yeah. But I think that going to the gym like gives you a regimen. It like, it makes you like, okay, I'm going to do this with this portion of the day, which means that I can now do this, this and this with the other portions of my dad.

Exactly, right. It always gives you something to do. Always. If you wake up and you have a completely clear slate, you think, well, I've got to get the gym in and I want to get my five, six meals, whatever, the current plan you're doing. And that to me is great. That's what I like.

I like having something to focus on every day. I find it keeps me creative. It keeps my brain ticking over as opposed to not having anything to do and then feeling a bit like, oh, I don't really have a direction. That's why when I hurt my shoulder, wrestling, in my fifth match, I know, I'm just getting in fed of the comments. How many matches Miller?

Five, that's right. I was just catching up for lost time. That was actually the hardest thing. Aside from when I'd sort of gotten over the mental side of being injured, I was like, oh, I really want to get back to wrestling. At first it was that whole, oh, I can't go to the gym. And I had these days where I was just like, I don't know what to do with myself.

I completely, and it's a real, to me, it grounded me, absolutely. And it still does to this day. Because it's such a cheesy thing, but it's true. The gym humbles you because it kicks your ass, right? when you leave you're like, man, I feel terrible. I feel good, but I feel terrible. And I think it's a really good way just, it just is. It just works for me.

It ticks my boxes. It's funny how like, you know, you never, there's those days where you wake up, and you're like, I don't feel like the gym today. And then you get there and you're like, this is all. I'm so glad I did this. Absolutely, right? You never get halfway through a workout and you go, you know what? I'm out of here.

No, you don't. Unless you injure yourself, but there's something different. No, you don't, do you? And then I think in those sessions at the end, you almost feel more in power. because you're like I got through something I didn't want to do and now my body's rewarding me for it. And again, I think you can take that into your work life as well. We're getting deep again. No, it's true.

I always talk like this. This is the problem. This is why I do. I like talking about that kind of stuff because I'm well into mental health. Like I'm really, really into it because I just think it's really important. And I think the more people can chat to it about it like this, the more normal it becomes. And then hopefully when other people do sort of struggle with it, they're like, oh, it's okay. you know I don't even like the word

even I think I'm an idiot for thinking this I don't even like the word struggle I think that's a terrible thing to put on someone who's got men oh you're struggling no you just live in life man because everybody deals with that stuff no one wakes up every day and goes oh I feel great right now

yeah they just don't like it's just not true so yeah and I think it all ties in to this kind of stuff where you kind of wake up you feel how you feel who knows why the brain does what it does and then you just find these cool things to get through which is why you know go back to what we're talking about doing all this stuff

So I do it, man, because I'm like, how lucky am I? I'm not saying I didn't work for it. I did, but hard work doesn't equal anything. No one deserves anything. You may feel like you do, but unfortunately the world doesn't care. But when you do, for me anyway, when you find that you have these opportunities and you're enjoying them and they're really giving you a sense of satisfaction, it's like, well, let's just keep that going and see where they are. Do you have a phrase that you like or that you live by?

No, not massively. I mean, just just to try and be as positive as I can, but not in a, and there is, some people think that means you wake up,

morning, you're like, cartwheel down the stairs. It's like, I hate that guy. I mean, what are you doing? But yeah,

just to always, just always try and take stock of everything. And yeah, never try and get too carried away. But no, no real phrase or anything like that. It's just the way I try and live.

I find it's more of a, a routine you kind of fall into after. You have to teach yourself to do it. I think that's true. And it's even like self-worth. So this ties into wrestling too. Because I say to everyone, people always go to me,

oh, Miller, why do you wrestle? I go to fill up my self-worth tank. That's all wrestling is. I bet there's 50% of wrestlers out there. It's like, can I just do the bit when my music hits? Everyone goes crazy. I come out, I do a circle around the rig and then I leave.

I imagine 50% of wrestlers go, yeah, that would be great because it makes you feel good. And I kind of think that is a great summary for life. life and hopefully you can fill up your self-worth tank, as I've dubbed it enough, that you don't need any of the outside stuff. But I think deep down we all need it. How did your self-worth tank feel at the Bullet Club block party? Yeah, I felt great, yeah.

It felt great. I think it broke. I think it malfunctioned. That was a terrifying day, wasn't it? My friend Tamatonga in a harcoo. Who set that up? Whose idea was this? Well, I mean, it's real, obviously.

Oh, yes, of course. We want to hurt each other real bad. No, it was one of those things where, and look, I will say that that story's not done. So I'll try and skirt around this as much as I possibly can. But I get it. People want to know this stuff. So it was just one of those things where Tamatonga between you and I and no one else is a really good dude. He's a really, really, really good dude.

And he gets it. And this is why we met Starcast, the All In one. And he was familiar with what culture. Obviously, I knew Tamatonga was because I'm a wrestling fan. And we did an interview, and it was really fun, really fun, because Tametonga doesn't care. I try and bounce off people and everyone said it was a really fun, good interview. So, you know, you stay in touch over social media and stuff like that. And because, and this is one of the reasons I love what culture so much is that everybody's an individual.

So there were certain people there that didn't necessarily enjoy Tametonga, the wrestler, right? And he gets that, he understands, he's a heel, he's like, whatever. But anyway, I think one day he'd read a certain article or he'd seen one of my videos. I just thought he was going to have some fun with it. So he just said, oh, Miller, I'm going to recruit you to the bullet card party, but screw everybody else. and it made me laugh so much and it started to gain so much traction that yeah we had a little conversation

and we were like, well let's see what we can do with this and it ended up with us at the Bullet Club invading the Bullet Club Block Pie at WrestleMania and Harku trying to kill us because maybe or maybe not somebody had forgotten to tell Harku

that it wasn't, you know. Haku was running like four speed at you. If Haku had caught us K-Fay would have had to have been broken very quickly. Let's just say that. I think if, that, yeah, Harku Harku was under the impression that it was

all legit because, yeah, he hadn't been, we'll use the right terms, he hadn't been smartened up. So I didn't know that at the time. I didn't know that at the time. I was just like, wow, I said to the guys afterwards, Harcoo's really good working, man, I'm fucking angry.

As it turned out, no, Harco was understandably so. I would be the same if I thought a bunch of punks had come to my son's party that had been an absolute smash success and he'd put hours of work into and tried to you know, screw it up, I would have been mad too. So thank goodness he, thank goodness from nowhere. I don't know if you saw the clip where I all of a sudden got these Muhammad Ali, which I don't have

in my arsenal by the way. And all of a sudden, yeah, I'm kind of bobbing and weaving. He would have ripped my head off. There's no two ways about it. Like, that's the other sometimes you get people going on, oh, Miller, you big wuss. It's like, okay, I'll set Harko on you and I'll see what you do. If you think you can take out Harkoo, you need to rethink that, son. I like how because you're so positive, your best insult there was their microphones are too quiet. Well, this is the other thing as well. Like, I don't take myself seriously at all. And I think I've proven that by having wrestling gear that has why with a question right,

written over my ass. Like, if you think I take myself too seriously, I definitely don't. So when that was going on, I was like, I don't want to insult him properly. I just want to say, I just want to throw sort of stupid jabs. I think because, you know, I do think everyone has a kind of persona. online and that's the way I like to see myself you know I'm an idiot I'm a moron but I like being that guy so even in wrestling I was like we got to keep it up absolutely and there's a time to be serious but I thought it's funny and whoever picked shape of view as the fighting music

I didn't realize you were supposed to fight to Ed Shearin always man always that's what we do you see you see but no that was that was a terrifying day however once again like everything in my life when I you know got back you settled down and you think I went to a you know basically a New Japan-led party and got to work a, work an angle with Tamatonga and Jay White and Harku. You're like, man, things are all right. Things are right. Is that one of the highlights for you?

It's up there. I mean, it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. Like, again, hopefully that is going to have, I have to talk in riddles here, but hopefully that is going to have the natural end that people would want. And if that does happen... That was very wrestler-like.

Yeah, there was. But if it does happen, then, you know, I can't complain too much. Well, to afterwards. probably be dead. Since most of the wrestling you watch, I'm sure is, you know, American-based. Can you do a pretty good American accent? I don't. I'm probably not.

No, accents as anyone that has watched ups and downs knows. Accents are not my strong point. I tried to do an Irish accent the other day and it was abysmal. That's serious. My Irish? Oh, no, I can't do it. I don't know what that is. American.

Can I do American? I don't know now. No, I can't. You got to try it. You got to try, man. Hey, man. How's it going? No, it just makes me sound like a

I hate me straight away I can't do accents Hey man Yeah, I know I think most people think I have some kind of Like British Australian American twang anyway So maybe that's it I don't know

All British accents sound the same to me Of course they would do Yeah yeah I'd imagine they do So I'm from London I'm from Luton But it's like 10 minutes away Yeah but the thing here is like you go five minutes away And the accent is completely different

That's true But yeah no I am the most boring British man ever because I'm just from the capital. It's not like some amazing place like Shropshire. I never heard of that. You know, if you're American, you're like, I know, London. That's dull. Go find somewhere better. I don't know. But yeah, accents are not my strong point. But I'm, again, I've used that as well. That Becky Lynch skit I did a few weeks here. You can watch now, ups and downs. What culture. I don't know which one it was. Even I watched it back. Even Phil, who edits the ups and downs,

but no, it's the worst. Like, it wasn't it any kind of like, you know, a good try-emales. It was terrible. I just love it. after my computer. So, yeah, accents aren't my thing. But that's okay. I'm going to know with it. When I tweeted out that I was going to be interviewing you and you retweeted it, thank you so much.

People are very excited. Again, one of those things where I just, wild. I know, because people are lovely. That's why. Thank you, people. Yeah, no, thank you very much. And everyone wants to know where why comes from. And it's just like, it's boring.

It's a real boring story. I think more people were interested in the whole what culture to cultaholic thing. Oh, no, that's boring too. I don't know. But I understand why from a fans' perspective, it was really, because it was like WCW, WWE. It was like this weird crossover that's happening. But I can only talk about it from my point of view.

And from my point of view, it was a bunch of people who have always been very friendly and very nice to me are going off to start a new job. And I said, good luck. And they said, thanks, Simon. Good luck with your job too. And I said, thank you. And that was it.

That's honestly it. And I find out like most other people did. Like, you know, they announced it. And I was like, oh, cool. I hope they do. really, really well. And I just got back to work. What I wasn't ready for

was when I then arrived back on the internet later on and everyone decided that it was I had, it was my fault. That was the thing that surprised me the most. And of some reason it was me that had, I can't even explain it to this day. There's no logic there.

I think it was just, well, I recognize those guys and I recognize Simon. Here's the disconnect. Therefore, I will blame him. and yeah it was the only time in my many years on social media where I took some time off and took a couple of days off and I was like, there's just too much hate

there's too much hate so I thought I'm just going to back again I like to think I'm quite intelligent with this stuff apart from the guy I go to the gym obviously someone a moron but so I took some time off and then yeah I came back a couple of days later I just put a tweet out there saying look I just want everyone to know I love doing what I'm doing

I wish nothing but the best for them that's it that's my story and that kind of where it, I did something on a video as well where I said something similar saying, look, I'm me, going to carry on being me. You can say whatever you want,

and you genuinely can say whatever you want. I understand that if I put myself out there and I'm going to enjoy certain things like, again, Chris does that tweet, and there's this amazing outpouring of love, then I'm going to accept the other way. If somebody wants to go, I think you're a bald,

ride back asshole. It's like, okay, that's cool. It's genuinely cool, and I'll take it because I think that's what life is all about. It's about balance. And, I mean, that went too far from me. me, but I removed myself from the situation. Yeah, but to me, that was the only talking point.

It's hard not to take it personally. Well, the one for me was when someone said, oh, I hope your mum dies. That's, now it's funny, but someone said, oh, you've ruined my YouTube, I hope your mum dies. That's my mom, I'm done. So I left for a while. But look, there was, even throughout that, though, when I did that tweet, when I came back, it was so many people said nice things. But also, you know, even sort of forums like the squared circle, Reddit where everybody goes, even someone on there had written a little thing saying, so you do see the good.

And then you take the bad and you throw it away. But yeah, in terms of the actual event itself, I was just like, okay, good luck. And I'm going to keep doing my thing because I'm really happy. And I'm going to focus on me because why would? That's why. I don't go focus on Barclays Bank. It's nothing to do with me.

And he kept an eye on what they were doing, of course, because they were people that I know and respected. but yeah I understand when there is a shift no one likes change right so when there is a change but it was so many years ago now

I you know it was two years ago I think maybe two years ago and I understand why people are intrigued but from my end there is no story and the guys at what culture now both the wrestling and the other channels work their asses off they're great guys and girls

they come up with awesome content I love working there as we were talking about before we hit the record button. You know, one of my goals in life is just to keep making as much good content as I can and keep growing what culture as much as I can. You know, one of my favorite things of the world is when people say it's Simon from what culture. I love it.

Like, that's my birth name. Simon from what culture. And it puts a massive smile on my face every time. And that's what matters. That's what matters to me. And I'll be the first person to say, again, you're allowed to love it. You're allowed to hate it again for everything we've talked about. But I'm damn proud of everything we do.

I think we're true to ourselves now as individuals and as individuals. and as a team. And, yeah, long may it continue. That's the way I've always seen it. And yeah, that's the way I'll continue to see it as well. As a lifelong wrestling fan, when you look back, do you have a favorite match? Well, I mean, Steve Austin, Brett Hart at WrestleMania 13

is always the one that goes straight to the top just because I was at the right age. A, it was incredible anyway, but also, it's my two favorite wrestlers fighting. And it taught me so much about wrestling when I was still, you know, really young. It taught me, they didn't teach me about psychology, but without even realizing it,

I was taken in by psychology and I was taking in by how violence can tell a story and, you know, the fact that again, you know, Steve Austin went baby face and Brett Hart went heel. I know it's a boring answer, but I often find you do get boring answers to those questions because matches like that

sit so high in people's thoughts. That's why they did it to begin with. So, yeah, it was just excellent. I can still watch it today. And obviously now it's got nostalgia, which means it's protected. by anything. That's right.

But yeah, that's always the one, always the one that I go to. And that I watch, you know, if I'm just sort of doing something and I want to match on the background, I'm like,

I'll put on Steve Austin Braha. And then you can watch also, obviously, the one that had the Survivor series as well, which is like the unsung classic that nobody ever talks about because that's awesome as well. And all the promos beforehand

with Austin saying, you know, if you put an S in front of it, man, it was just everything. And that was just before Stone Carl was about to blow up, which is where,

like most of us, my wrestling fandom went from like a seven to a 422. So it was just such a pivotal moment. And yeah, like it's, it would always be there as this thing that I just love. Just love. Just love it. I just think it's great. I've been saying this for a while, but it's the most exciting time to be a wrestling fan.

You're a wrestler as well. Very exciting time to be a wrestler. What's your take on there now being some competition? It's the best thing in the world. That is, that truly is as well. It's, I don't. think you could have enough successful wrestling companies. I just don't. I mean, if I look at it

from a wrestler angle, I understand I'm still new at that, but the best thing ever is having choices. Because you want to be able to have choices. And if you find a company that wants to lock you down to a contract, and that works for you, and you have the option of multiple ones of those, awesome. But also, from a fans' point of view,

you get to choose. Because I've really got into New Japan, sort of last five, six years. And sometimes I see people going, oh, WWE should be more like New Japan. I'm like, no, don't do that. I want to have, I like my WWE. Okay, right now it needs a bit of polishing, but I like my WW. I like my New Japan, and over the last six months, I love my AEW. Like, I think it's a great product. So I just, what I hope happens is, I don't think, I genuinely don't think WWE will ever go anywhere.

And nor do I want it to, you know, I want it to, even if it sits on top forever, that's great, that's fine. The amount of memories and good times they've given me since I was a kid, I guess you have to expect some downtime, maybe this is the downtime in, but I also want AWW to succeed, but I want MLW to succeed, I want all the indie promotions to succeed. It's just so much fun, because everything will offer you something different.

And although you can watch whatever you want, so you can try and watch it all, you don't have to, you can just pick and choose and find what works for you. And that's the best thing about anything. It's like, most boring analogy ever, right? You don't just watch chocolate and vanilla ice cream. Right, you want a bit of strawberry or cookie dough

or whatever like that. And that, I feel is happening. I think it's awesome that AEW right now has managed to, I mean, clearly connect to these laps fans and get people talking about wrestling again. Awesome. Brilliant. I can't wait. I cannot wait. Although it's creating this divide. Like I've interviewed, you know, a handful of AEW wrestlers recently. And now people are like, well, dude, you hate WWE. It's like, no, I've asked for several WWE interviews and have been denied. So I will interview whoever, you know, does an interview with me. As you should. It's so funny that you say one good thing about A&EA. or one bad thing about WWE, and people have made up their mind. Absolutely, man.

And again, you can even tie that into even the ups and down stuff. Like, honestly, you can say, I enjoyed the opening to roar and you can give it an up, which is still the up.

Like, it's a finger, man. Look at me. But then later on, you can say, but I'd give, I'd never done this, but I'd give the Bray White segment

a down. What? You hate WW? What about all the good stuff I just said? But I think it's just a reaction, right? But I get it all the time as well. We're doing loads of AEW videos at the moment because it's exciting and it's fresh and it's hot, exactly.

But then you get it then, you're like, oh, listen to this AEW fanboy. And sometimes I clock the names. These are the same people that are on, raw ups and downs. He's going to love WWE too much. So it's just this, it is crap. We're always going to get a divide because that's just the way the internet works. But I really rather it wouldn't like, you can be an AEW and WWFAN. It is possible.

I used to watch WWE and WCW back in the day. I loved it. I was always, my heart was always, always with WWE, but I didn't hate WCW. And when I heard that, you know, Goldbergs and the world title, you know, Friday night over here in England, I'd be like, quickly change the channel, don't tell anyone, and go back and it was the best. Yeah.

And now it's even easier to do that because of catch up and streaming and everything. Yeah. But yeah, it's a shame. But I guess that's the nature of cult, of niches and passions. It's like Marvel and DC and, well, Nintendo and Sega back in the day. You're not allowed to just like, you can't like both. Why can't we just be wrestling fans? I know.

I don't, I don't the answer. Comments, let me know. I want to know why we can't just enjoy wrestling. I think it's because there is a line of train of thought, which I don't agree with, where they think, because they believe WWE's content to be so bad that we should be being more vocal about it, so they don't go out of business down the line. And I'm like, that's crazy. That's, even if you are the loudest person ever and you get the biggest microphone, a megaphone, and Guinness come along.

and go, you got the world record for the biggest megaphone. It's still, you're going to shout in it for days. It's not going to make a difference. It doesn't mean you shouldn't shout, but don't expect that if we don't shout that these things are going to happen down the line. I think we should just enjoy it for what it is. I love wrestling.

Wrestling right now feels far more exciting than it did 12 months ago. And there was nothing wrong with 12 months ago. A thousand percent. Yeah, it's just more going on and there's more to talk. Look at John Moxley. Yeah. I always, if I again, 12 months ago, if I'd sat here and I went, Chris, in June 2019,

Dean Ambrose is going to be called John Moxley and he's going to be the hottest thing in wrestling and being in the G1 climax at New Japan, you would probably punch me in the face because you'd be like, don't come on my show and tell lies. Be a nice guy. And I would go, fair enough. But that's what's so great about it.

And if 12 months ago I told you, the match of the year in 2019 is going to be Cody Rhodes and Goldgust. You'd be like, no, no, it's not. Yeah. And you said it's going to happen nowhere close to WWE. I don't know what world you've painted. And that's why it's awesome,

especially because when you do look at two guys like that who themselves have said, and you talk to them, you know, who have said they don't believe they would have gotten those kinds of opportunities in WWE. And isn't it great they have somewhere else to go to make their opportunities? And I think there is, unlike

Ted Turner versus Vince McMahon or Eric Bischoff, there seems to be less of this, we want to get you out of business mentality and more we just want to focus on ourselves and take the odd shot here and there, but mostly we want to focus on ourselves and do the best what we can do and our offense is our defense as well.

And that's a much healthier way to be as well. And hopefully eventually that goes to everybody else. Well, I think the phrase I heard that makes the most sense is there's two ways to have the tallest building in town. You either tear down all the other buildings or you just build a better building. That's brilliant. And that's what AEW seems to be doing. You know, they're just building it up instead.

And I hope it gets massive and I hope WWE continues to build there even higher as well. I completely agree. I mean, another phrase, I'm just throwing around all these phrases here. I like it. I'm just throwing around all boats. I like it. Rising tides lift all boats. I'm going to get to review Roar, which is what we all like to do. Then I get to review Smackdown on Fox, which is exciting. Fox is going to change. We've seen the new logo. And I'm going to get to do ups and downs. for an AEW show.

I mean, that's awesome. That's awesome. So again, if I look at it from my personal perspective, I can't wait. That's going to be great. I can compare them all. And everyone goes, you shouldn't be comparing them.

I'm like, I'm going to be great. I can't wait. This has been great. Oh, thank you, man. It has been good as well. Like, I'm still, I'm still just,

what's the what I'm looking for? I'm just surprised. I'm still, I'm still in that mindset where I just see myself as a guy that makes, I'm proud of it, but makes dumb videos on YouTube. Sometimes I don't really think about the people watching them.

And so to get an email from a guy like you said, who genuinely, I have been watching the videos and going, hey, he makes good content. And then you say, oh, do you want to, it's crazy. And I feel very lucky to be here. Well, I'm also just a guy.

It's so funny when you make these videos. Because like, you know, if we break the fourth wall here, we're two guys sitting in a very small hotel room in London, talking to my phone, which is being propped up by a, a saucer and a teacup

seriously because I forgot my tripod in America so like it's very weird because we do this in a vacuum and then you put it out of the world and you're like oh my God millions of people see this and I can't and that's why I feel like it's it's the coolest thing ever and why I just want to be able to enjoy it as much as I possibly can

like I said this morning as I was saying I did the raw review for ups and downs and when I get back I'm going to have you know 100 of tweets and hundreds of comments with people telling me that I'm right, people telling me that I'm wrong. People say Miller that skit where you held a funeral for the brand split, which I did today, was dumb or stupid. But what a great, what a, what a great place to be in that somebody would want to watch my content and then go to the trouble of letting me know what they thought, even if it's bad, even if it's a

troll. I still take great pride in that. I really, really, really do because my mind still hasn't caught up with the fact that somebody would want to do that. Yeah, like, I reply to a lot of comments, especially within like the first hour or so on YouTube. And people are like, dude, thank you so much. It's like, thank me. Exactly. Thank me. You just watched my 57 minute interview with Sean Spears. And I'm taking three seconds to thank you.

That was good that interview, though. Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah. It's really interesting. It's interesting. If I go, hey, thanks so much for watching. Like, it means a lot to me. Oh, man.

And I tell you as well, I get lost in the numbers game all the time because I really care. That's the thing I really, really, really care. And I shouldn't do that. but you do. And you're like, well, why did that one do this amount? But this one only did this amount. And then last week for the first time in ages, Smackdown ups and downs did more than more ups and downs.

Like, well, what did we do? Do we have to do that now? And it's a million things, right? It's the thumbnail, la-di-a-di-a-da. But that's when I know I care because I really, really, really care. That's just what it is. Do you think this YouTube bubble could possibly pop? I think so.

No, that's not true. I think probably not. But because I'm not sure, that's what I mean about earlier when I say I take it every day as it comes to. You could wake up tomorrow. and we could be in a vastly different world, I guess. But you never know. I hope not.

I love it. I've loved it now for, like I say before, because everyone always said, or Miller, you just kind of popped up in the wrestling space. It was a succeeding video game stuff before. I've loved it for ages, like almost the 10 years. And the fact that I've been able to make something of it is,

yeah, I never want it. I want to still be doing. I still want to be up and downs when I'm 72. I mean, if I make 72, I'll be amazed with my luck. But I want to be up and, with his old man and I want people to be writing in the comments he's rubbish get a new guy where's triple eight get triple eight into up the downs he's past it that's what I want I'll be so happy I want to be the senile old guy that didn't go away make that happen life I'd appreciate well I'm going to put

your YouTube channel below in the description I'll also pin it as the top comments so uh you know Simon has his own YouTube channel I do have my own YouTube channel in addition to what culture which I'm sure you're aware of so uh you can subscribe to Simon down below that's very kind man And yeah, my own channel is, like I said, it's a bit like a bag of revels, but that was always the idea. So I'm all right with it. People, you never know what you're going to get. That's very kind of you, though, man. And this has been fun.

Thank you so much. Thank you. No, no, thank you. There you go. What a guy. Thanks to Simon for the interview. Thanks again to James Delo for being so kind to lend me your gear so we could record this. I really enjoyed that chat with Simon.

I think we should do it again because that conversation really flowed. I feel like we could just talk and talk for hours. Thank you to Greenroads for sponsoring this episode. Use the code Chris 15. Chris 1-5% off CBD products at greenroadsworld.com. Also thanks to Samson for this incredible podcasting gear. The mics, the cables, the mixer, the headphones, everything. SamsonTech.com to check that out.

Fighter Fest, AEDW's Fighter Fest is this weekend. heading up north to Daytona, about a four-hour drive from here. So keep an eye out on here and on my YouTube channel for all the interviews that we'll be getting from there. The Hammer Alley podcast, an 80s flashback mockumentary. Back in the 80s, there were a thousand bands trying to make it in the world of rock, but there was one band that had it all. Hammer Alley. Whatever happened to Hammer Alley?

How did they go from top of the rock? I'm looking for a music video. They're a band from 1980. Hammer Alley. Ever heard of then? To Rock Bottom. Dude, I was born in 1987. I can't believe he's doing this. Hammer Alley.

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