Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Thunder Rosa on AEW/NWA talent share, face paint meaning, Lucha Underground, growing up in Mexico

Episode Date: September 15, 2020

Thunder Rosa chats with Chris Van Vliet from her home in San Antonio, TX. She talks about how she was able to appear on AEW as the NWA Women's Champion, if we will see other NWA talent in AEW, her thoughts on her match with Hikaru Shida at All Out, her story of growing up in Tijuana and moving to the United States, her MMA career, who her dream opponents are, the deep meaning behind her face paint, what it was like wrestling for Lucha Underground and so much more!   Please subscribe and support the show by supporting our sponsors!INDEED - Get a $75 credit to boost your job post by going to http://indeed.com/BlueWire BETONLINE - Get a new sign up bonus by using the promo code BLUEWIRE at http://betonline.ag Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Chris Van Vleet! Okay. Welcome to or welcome back to another audio adventure on the Chris Van Bleet Show. This episode is brought to you by Indeed and Betts Online. And did you see Thunderosa versus Sheeta? at all out? Oh, man. What a match. What a match. And also so cool to see Thunder Rosa, who's under contract with NWA and is the current NWA women's champion making a few appearances in AEW. And so it seems like it couldn't be a better time to have her on the show. And she's also

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And she's only six years into her wrestling career and just absolutely crushing it. So the future is very, very, very bright for her. And her story is just amazing. So let's dive right into it. It's Thunder Rosa. Well, what a week you've had, right? Yes. Yes.

Actually, it's been not actually. I don't know, I will say three weeks since I was the first time I went to AEW. But yeah, this week was like the work week, the goal time. Yeah, it was dynamite followed by All Out. I mean, you've just been go, go, go, go, go. So thank you for sharing a little bit of your time with us. Yes, no problem. I mean, come on, man.

You are like super famous. You know, I have to get the rub. Well, thank you. I'm getting the rub by having you on the show. Oh, come on. When I posted that when I tweeted out that you were going to be on the show, I was just, I was just inundated with my phone, which is blowing up, I had to turn off the notifications. Good. I turned off the notifications about three weeks ago.

I bet. On Twitter. So, I mean, we saw you in AEW. I think a lot of people didn't think this was possible. You're the current NWA women's champion. Indeed. How did this happen? So I was contacted by Christopher Danielson. I'll say July 7th July 12th he was like

hey we're interested in having you over what's the deal and I was like I can't really do it you know so I call the management and NWA let them know what's happening they pretty much told me that I mean I'm under an exclusive contract with NWA everything has to go through them

then he contacted me again and I was like who do I need to talk to to make this happen so you got to talk to Billy man I, you know, just throw my hands out in the air. And didn't tell my husband, because my husband was heated. He was like, come on, man, you need to be there. Do you not doing anything? What's going on?

And I was like, dude, relax. You know, if it's in my, if it's in my destiny, it's in my destiny, it's going to happen. Then, like, not even, like, a couple days after Billy calls me and he's like, hey, you're going to be an AW. This is the, this is the spill. And I literally had, like, three days to get all my stuff together. And I was trying to take a mini vacation with my husband when he called me. and I'm in Corpus Christi like

what am I supposed to do? I have no clothes. I have nothing. Like, what am I going to pull this out? So it just happened like that. We call my friend, we got clothes. We got everything together. Boom, boom, boom. Then another thing, they're like, you're going to be wrestling. I have no new gear.

So I had to like, I'm going to give a shout out to Maureen, Tracy, for making this happen in high spots. They made my year in one week. So what you guys saw in Dynamite and the other show, they made it. made it happen. So the NDA family made it happen. You know, they talked to Tony Khan. Then, you know, they gave me

the whole round of things. And the rest, you know, it was me. You did end up taking a vacation. Your vacation just happened to be in Jacksonville, Florida. Pretty much. Yeah. Technically. Yes. So I love that you think you needed new gear. Like the gear you had was great. Why did you need new gear? Man,

first of all, you are wrestling in a national, international. It's not national. International. arena. There's thousands and thousands and millions of people and they never seen who Thandarosa is. They don't even know that I existed. So if I'm going to come to a new house, it's like a new, you know, job interview. You got to come with your best clothes, you know, and you got to put your best effort to like make the first impression. Because sometimes the first impression is everything. If you mess up on the first time, it's either they take you off TV and they make you work

Carter or, you know, on the other hand, like, what happened with me is like they want more and they want more. So I wanted that. Like, I could have promo talking a lot of smack about the AAW women's division. I, that was very outspoken in other interviews prior to me being called into working with AEW on the fact that they don't get enough time. However, when you're being put in a position in where you have time to perform, you better perform. Because if you don't, again, you're just stating exactly what everybody else is saying. Why are you giving them time if you can't perform, if they can't do what they're supposed to be doing?

So there was a lot of pressure. So I was like, okay, I'm hyping myself up. I'm not telling everybody to hype me up, but I have to leave up the hype. If you don't, it's going to flop. And like, you know, you know people are brutal on social media. Yeah.

Brutal. You know, it doesn't face me. I, like in the last six years, my husband and I worked really outstandingly on trying to keep our fans, number one and really like working on on my craft inside and outside of the ring. So I knew regardless it was going to be good. And yeah, but that's the reason why I got new year.

I got outside track. So do you think you got this spot because of how much smack you talked about the AEW Women's Division? No, I think it's because my, you know, Shida opened the, the, the, which, what's my call it? She was saying that she can fight anybody, right? And we weren't doing nothing. And I was just like, I'm just going to say something on Twitter. So he will, I'm ready, who's with me or something like that.

She, I'm ready. And we just got, we got bombarded and then more and more and more. And I think they saw something like that. And I think they might have like already had me in their radar and be like, we should bring her over just to like do something. But because of my situation with my, my contract, I don't think, I don't think anybody thought it was going to be possible, even me. I didn't even think it was going to be possible.

But it has to do with us, you know, being outspoken. And the fact that I'm running an all female, women. men's show in the Indies that is run by females. It has to do a lot with it. I mean, I'm very big advocate on women's equality and women's rights in the wrestling business because I see that there's still so much work to do. And I tell them and I tell everybody until we don't have women in power being bookers, promoters, owners, things are going to be the same for us.

Yeah. So. Well, look, it's a win-win situation for NWA and for AEDAW to have you. there puts NWA on a platform. It brings in great talent for you to go up against other people in AEW. Everybody wins. Yes. And I think that's what happened this week. And we're very, very happy with the results. So if you were fighting for that championship, does that mean that AEW wrestlers are now able to fight for the NWA Women's Championship? It's 2020, man. Anything is possible at this point. I don't know. That's how I feel it now. It's just like, after this, anything.

is possible. And I hope so because it will be so enriched, it will enrich their division and in which our division, because I feel like the women that we have in our division have a very different style of the women that they have in AEW. And you saw that. Well, here's the thing. I mean, you say it's 2020. Anything can happen. This would not have happened if this was not a worldwide pandemic. You guys be doing power every week. They'd be doing dynamite every week. And you guys be in kind of, you know, just riding in your own lanes. Yes. And for me, for me, the pandemic honestly was a blessing in disguise because it made me change

my mentality on everything. And it made me like push myself to the next level, you know? And as you can see in the last couple months, it's like my, my stock name has gone up. And it hasn't been because, you know, I just run away and stay in my room and gain a lot of way because I was depressed about the pandemic. It was because I worked even harder to start my own promo. to start other businesses to make myself relevant when there's nothing going on when I'm not even wrestling in a national TV show, you know? So there you go.

Anything can happen. You can make anything happen at any time, at any moment. Now, I don't want you to speak on his behalf. Does this mean that, you know, if you're defending or competing for championships on A&W, doesn't mean we could see Nick Aldus doing something similar? I will like to know that answer, but I don't know the answer, you know. So we will see. Only time we'll tell.

I think your dog wants to say something there. He's always an all my podcast. So I'm surprised he didn't start barking earlier. Your dog's a big Nick Aldous fan. Yes, he is. Yes, he is. What's your dog's name? Drago.

Drago. Yes. Not because of what is that show. You know what I'm talking about, right? Yes, of course I know what you're talking about. Why? And why can't, oh my gosh, people are going to kill on. No, he's just being a.

dirt. No, he was, when I left Lucha Underground, I really wanted to feel like I was still a queen and I have to drag somebody. And I used to drag Dago. So I was like, oh, I just will just name him Drago's character, wasn't it? No, that's Droglo's from the other show. I'm talking about Lucha Underground, Drago the wrestler. Oh, okay. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, we're, we're really missing the world here. So I love that you mention Lucha Underground because that's obviously what really put you on the map. That's where a lot of people first figured out what you were all about. How much did Lucha Underground help determine who you were and then, you know, growing into who Thunderosa was? It helped me tremendously on pushing me to my limit, to pushing me to a stage and where at the point

when I was signed, I wasn't ready because I was very, very young in the business. And it made me learn from the best of the best, you know, you know, ricochet. Ramis Sterebio, the Guerreroes, all the producers that were at a Hollywood caliber, the ladies that were there, Taya, Ivelis, cheerleader Melissa, sexy star. I mean, we were very few of us, very few women, and we were wrestling men, so it makes you push it to the next level, you know, because you have to perform with these guys that have been wrestling for years and years and years, and you're like, oh, my God, like, I really have to make sure it goes well, because I do remember that it was very,

sell them when the guys or the girls make mistakes in the ring. So it really like, it made you think about when you go there, you have to go 100% and make sure you perform are you best because we, we knew how expensive it was to have edit, like in the editing room and how long would it take because not only they, they're doing a lot of editing no matter what, but it was like that part in making the cuts and stuff like to tell a good story. So it really helped me develop like that need and in the the urgency you'll get better quicker. That's a huge break for you to get very, very early in your career. So how did it come about?

I was doing a show in Los Angeles for Stardom USA and the writers where they're scouting women and they saw me and they scouted me. They, Christy Joseph came and talked to me that show and be like, hey, we're interested in bringing women to Luch Underground. You know about the show? I'm absolutely. I know about the show. We saw, we're going to be watching you and we'll talk later.

And I was like, okay, cool. Then like two weeks later, he calls me and I'm sitting on the steps. I was in Oakland at that time. And he calls me, hey, you know what? We want to offer you a contract. I'm like, contract. And I was like, yeah, we like for you to be over moon. And I'm like, okay.

And then he's like, but you have to wear a hood. And I'm like, at this point, when you're young, you just want, you just want an opportunity. I'll do it, whatever, whatever. So they told me everything. I didn't read the contract, of course. And I signed it. I didn't read the whole contract. I sent it to my friends like, oh, yeah, it's pretty standard.

But I didn't know that I was going to get stuck for like five years, you know? And it was just going to be a shit show. So whatever, that's me. And then you guys were stuck even though they weren't still making shows, which was extra weird. It was awful. That party was awful. But the first, season once in two, season three,

were great. Season four, like, they cut the budget. We, like, we did it really quick. Like, we did it in a building that was, like, condemned. Like, everybody was getting sick. I got stepped throat when I was there in the last show. I was not able to perform for, like, two shows because I was so sick and I could get people sick. Yeah, the season four was kind of like the demise of Lucha Underground, and we knew that we were not coming back. And then when we didn't come back, it was just kind of like sitting waiting or paying like $5,000 to get out of the contract. and I was just like, I'll just sit and wait and see what happens. And thankfully, one of the guys rally the troops and all,

you guys want to get out of a contract, we can get out for free. And I'm like, sure, where do I sign? And that's what we did. And like four of us got out of it. So did you miss out on opportunities because you were locked down? You know what? Not really. No.

Like, at that point, I was just like grinding the whole entire time. I was, and like, I mean, WW wasn't calling me. I was able to work for our age. Could you really like, there were certain people that were very like, strict on not letting them work, but with me, like, they didn't really, like, call me, hey, you can't do this. Hey, you can't do that. I was doing my thing. I didn't care. So, but no, no, not really. Like, at that point, like, nobody was, like, knocking on my door. And that's when, that's when I realized. I was like, you know what?

It ain't nobody knocking on my door. I'm just going to make a name for myself and not need, like, a Lucha Underground, like tag, like, right on my name is going to be Thunder Rose did it because she worked so hard. And, like, people were like, hey, she's good. Like, we should bring her to our company, you know? And, um, and when I worked in our age, that's when I made David Lagana. And then he's the one who's like, I've been looking at your stuff. I've been looking at your social media. I've been looking at your wrestling. Uh, I think, um, you'll be a great asset for NWA. But just give it, give me some time because we're working on some stuff. And when I hear that, I'm just like, yeah, yeah, right, whatever. Yeah. You know, you know, and look what it turned

into. Yes. And then, you know, and then at the same time I was doing that my first MMA match. So they were like, we had this idea, but I think it's going to suit you great because we want you to be our hammer of, you know, the little stable with Molina and Marty. And I was like, I got you because I love doing that. I used to do that when I first started in Japan. Everybody thought I had a lot of experience, but it was because I was so aggressive. And I acted like, I knew God I was doing, you know, but I didn't. It's also because you're a little bit older. You debuted a little bit older than most people.

You know, a lot of people will debut at 18, 19, early 20s. So for people who didn't watch Lucha Underground, Thunder Rose has kind of come out of nowhere. So what were you doing? You debuted at 28, right? 28. What were you doing up until that point? Before I was a wrestler?

Yeah. So I used to work, when I started training, I used to work at a rehab facility for teenagers called Thunder Road. I was there for two, two and a half years. And then you just got a little crazy because my wrestling schedule was getting, you know, I was getting more busy and like training was crazy and I needed something more flexible. So I went to another place called youth home. So I used to work at home with clients that were kids and then like older adults. Like between the 18 and 25 that had like like,

like, like a social worker. Yeah, they have like severe mental health problems. They just got out of like they're being 5150 like from the psych board and I have to like help them like get back into society, help them, they teach them life skills, get them jobs, get them out of the streets. If they were in drugs, I have to take them to like all kinds of stuff. Like, I've seen all kinds of stuff. So it was really flexible for me. This is when I started working with your underground. So I'll leave, like Friday, come back on Monday.

And I remember being in the meetings with my glasses, extremely tired, probably hangover. I don't even remember. Yeah, yeah, man, I got too. I got to. And then after that, I go straight to sleep and then grind for the next four days, making sure they saw all my clients. And I remember when I decided, because which time they're going to start getting busy and the money started getting really good in season three, I decided to like just do wrestling.

And I told him, he doesn't like that. He doesn't like that. And then I told my husband told me, just do wrestling. I'll take care of the insurance and everything else you need. Just focus on wrestling. And you're going to train every single day for wrestling. So I told my clients that I was pursuing my dream to become a wrestler. And they were all like super happy for me because that's the only thing I talked to them about, just wrestling.

Yeah. Wow. So did you go to school for psychology? I was, I graduated from UC Berkeley in 2010 with a bachelor's in social work. No, sociology. Sociology. Yeah, and I was going to get my master's, but wrestling came into the plate. And I was like, hey, school's going to be there. Wrestling is not.

Let's do this now. Yeah. So your name, it's a tribute to the place you were working? Yes. Oh, this is great. Yes. So how did you, I mean, you were, you were doing a completely different. character in Luch Underground. So how did you come up with Thunder Rosa?

Thunder Rosa came out after we were, and we came from a show, and this is before we started wrestling. Donovan Troy was one of my, the one of the guys that got me into wrestling, indie wrestling. I used to work with him in Thunder Road. And him, my husband and I were in the car and we're like, okay, listen, we've got to come up with a name that appeals to Americans, but he also appeals to your Latino population. And I'm like, and we were going around and around and we're like, how about Thunder Rosa? I mean, Thunder as the job, and then we keep the art, Rosa because it's, you know, Latino.

Like, yeah, and then we start doing the whole chanting because it's very important that makes sense, Thunder Rosa. So it's like, you know, got the little name like that. So it just started like that. But then the backstory of like, you know, the actual character and like why I paint my face and everything came from, everything just like is together.

So I went to Mercedes. or Lucha Extreme. They wanted to bring more Latino fans in there, but they didn't have no luck. So like, oh, you're Latina. Well, let's paint your face because it seems like that Day of the Dead is really popular right now. And then they painted my face.

They really like it. And then Minnie Fernandez was like, you're too pretty. Just paint your half of your face. So I'll just paint a half of my face there. But I didn't do that anywhere else because I didn't want to be like the Luchadora, the Mexican wrestler. I want to be a wrestler. I want to be recognized as a wrestler.

And I was like, man, I don't want to do that anywhere else. I went to Japan. This didn't work at all. Then I got a concussion. I swear of God, I felt like I was going to die. I was out of work for a whole month. And then my husband was like, when you come back, you've got to paint your face again because you got to do something different to get over. And I think the face pain is going to make a difference.

And knowing you and then tell the story later is going to make sense. So I did the half face pain and everybody loved it. They were like, oh, my God, it's actually really cool. And then I told the story like, it's, you know, being. almost dead and coming alive and this is like representation of that. And then when, when I got signed for Lucha when Lucha saw me, my uncle came to see me at that show. My uncle, like, used to watch wrestling.

And then he told me, he asked me the same question. And I just give them the standard, you know, answer. And he told me that the reason why it all ties together. The reason why I now paint my face is because when he was young, he loved wrestling. He used to go with my grandfather every week in Mexico and Tijuana. My grandfather died of a heart attack watching Lucha Libre. And he was on his lap. So he told me, I hated wrestling for so long, and you brought me back to watch wrestling.

So the reason is it was in your destiny. It was in your future, you know, that you were going to become a professional wrestler because it was in your blood. And now you're representing what the real day of the dead is, which is, you know, representing those. have passed away in a better way. And every time you get on that ring, you're fighting for them. So that's pretty much what thunderosa encompasses. Wow, that is such a good story. Wow. I happen to be in Mexico City a few years ago during Day of the Dead. And I think that a lot of Americans think it's like some version of Halloween. And it's not at all. It's celebrating the people in your life, life who have passed on and you're celebrating them.

But I think that a lot of Americans or Canadians like me will see the face pain and go, oh, it's this day to like dress up and have fun, but that's that's not it at all. No, it's not. It's not. I mean, if you get like, oh, you're like Coco, like pay attention to the movie Coco. It actually makes sense. It's like this kid is trying to connect with his, you know, ancestors and he goes to the other world to find the truth, you know, and that's what happened to me. Like my ancestors and trying to connect with me. for me to live my future. And that's because he wanted to be a musician.

And it's like me, I wanted to be a wrestler. I always wanted to be an athlete, but I was never able to because of X, Y, and Z. And I had to go through those, you know, through almost dying in Japan and going through like very, some experiences at work with the clients that I work and see them like succeed.

And then later on, you know, they died because police brutality or they committed suicide. And it was again, it's like me. I'm like a beacon of hope for them. them. I will say we kind of hope of them when they were alive. So you just all get together in what I do now. So if you always wanted to be a wrestler, no. No, not at all. Why did you end up waiting so long? Because, so, you know, when I was, when I was really young, we, we didn't have much. Like, I always want to do sports. I want to do soccer, but my parents didn't have money. We had, I'm like the middle girl,

of four girls and we were growing up into Taiwan. Yes, like we didn't have a lot. So it was like I had to focus. It was either I make money to help my parents pay for food and rent or, you know, or I make money to help my parents to pay for food and rent. And that's what I was, it was my focus. My sole focus was to go to college, get out of the house and be independent. That's all.

Like, and then later on, if anything happened, it happened. So I didn't start doing sports and learning how to do sports until I was like 18, 19. you know, in college. When I was just independent, I met my husband, and he was really big into sports. So we were like, like, volleyball, swimming, soccer. I got in, like, league. Now that I'm older, now I can do it because I have the money. And my parents are not telling me, you got to work, you know, or I had to go to work.

Like, always, I've been working since I was 14, you know. So it's like, you have to make ends meet, you know. And when I was in college, I could have saved all that money for my college tuition. But I'd rather, what did I do? I live with my parents. I pay for half of the rent, you know? And then when I moved out, That's when I started saving money for college.

And my husband really was the one who, like, pushed me to get out of my comfort zone. Because I was going to stay in San Diego and go to college in San Diego to keep helping my parents. But he's like, if you stay here, you're never going to be able to fulfill your dreams to your fullest. I'm telling you. And I was like, so what do we do? It was like, apply to all the schools. Go to UCLA, check it out. Let's go to UC Berkeley and check the school out.

And then we'll go from there. And then we went and I fell in love with UC Berkeley. I fell in love with the Bay Area because he was so diverse. It was so different for where. was used to. And that helped me, like, really, like, to open my, my perspective of our life and things. And when we were out there, it was like, we were super into, like, helping the community. We were volunteering. We were, you know, organizing. We were doing a bunch of stuff. So it was very fulfilling. So I never had time to think about sports and being an athlete until I was

working and I wasn't, I was in school anymore. I wasn't organizing. It was just like, this is boring. So, yeah. So, yeah. So, Tom, like you needed to check off all those other boxes first before you could go, all right, you know what? That dream of wrestling hasn't died. I still can do this thing. Yeah. And I mean, it wasn't even like the wrestling part. It was like I could be like an athlete and I could do theater. I can act. I can like cut promos and be like have a character. I always liked theater when I was young. I was like, oh, my God. Because I wanted to be a soap opera, a star, you know, because you go out with soap operas and you're like, oh, I could be like that.

Like the telenovela? Tele novella. I can be rich. And like that's stupid. And so everything, you know, encompassing like wrestling. Like you can do all that. So that's how I feel in love.

And the fact that it was so challenging. Every day it was so challenging. Like physically, mentally and spiritually. And that's why a lot of people don't make it because they can't go through like some of the mental challenges and mental blocks, the sacrifices, the tears, the pain. The pain is the one that I still. still remember to this day, like not being able to move my neck and having to go to work and be on a computer and be like, my boss will call and I will have to move my whole entire body.

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Bet Online, your online sports book experts. So how was it that you were able to, I mean, born and raised in Mexico, how were you able to get to America? My dad applied for us for a ring card when I was in sixth grade. so we waited five years before they gave us our green card. You did the green card lottery. Yes, we did. And we were lucky because now they don't have those programs anymore. So they had that.

And then all of the sudden, they're like, you guys have to apply for this special visa. So it was going to be my senior year in Mexico. And that's when I got my permit to study and work. And I have to move to the United States. So I left all my life, everything. And I moved into my aunt's house in small. It was one bedroom apartment, like efficiency apartment.

And he was my two cousins, my aunt, my sister and I. And we used to sleep in like bunk beds. And then my other cousin used to sleep in the bed. And then my other aunt, she's sleeping in the living room. So we had no space, nothing like this. I haven't even really talked about this. But it was my parents weren't with us either. So I was with my aunt.

And this is in San Diego? It's just in San Diego. So I was doing that for a year before I graduated in order for me to learn English and, you know, get acquainted with American, with American culture. Well, so how did you learn English? My force. I wasn't, I was, I was, my English was really, really bad between the ages of 17 and 20. And I was forced to learn English because my husband is white.

He doesn't speak Spanish. So he would be like, you got to speak, you got to speak English, baby girl, or otherwise, you know. There's not be very hard for you to communicate. I know you're very driven and, and you won't, you have big. dreams and you have to be able to write and speak eloquently. Otherwise, you know, people are not going to take you serious, you know, and it was, it was challenging because when I was in college, I was going to my college classes. And in the evenings, I was going to adult school to learn English, you know, so I was going to do things because I really do want to get better. And I went

there for like a year. And then I transferred to UC Berkeley. And I almost filled my English classes because my English was terrible. Like, I struggled so much writing papers and, like, doing presentations because people were like, what, what? You know, it's like, and you're competing with people that have been in this country for years or people that have gone to, like, private school. And then you're like, this Mexican girl, I just moved to America when you're 17 and you're still learning, you know?

So it was, again, my life hasn't been easy. My life has always been challenging. I always been faced challenges from a day I got out of the womb, you know? but it was like, it was, again, in my destiny to succeed on everything. Well, I think this is what makes you so good in the ring because you're used to adversity. You're used to like these challenges. And I mean, the way that you wrestle, it kind of like, I feel like it has that kind of ingrained in it.

Like it's very like gritty, like hard hitting style. Yes. Yes, it is. It is because like I said, I always asked to be treated the same as a voice, you know? and that meant like ass weapons you know she's a girl make sure you're not too hard with her it was like oh no well she can take it just just go ham with her and it was like that it was that that was it's how it was brought up you know i was brought up like one of the guys and i will take it and and i i worked even harder when i did my um when we did boot camp because we had two

weeks of boot camp before we got in the ring uh to make sure i i'll run everybody if there was push-ups i will make sure i will do more push-ups than anybody that I will finish everything first or second. And if I couldn't do something, I will try and try and try until I got it. You know, because some of the guys were really good and were really authentic.

I wasn't. It took me a little while to get certain stuff. And, you know, and now you see that. It's just like, I personally, when I work with other women and they complain a lot about X, Y, and C,

I get pissed. I get pissed. I'm like, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I'm 30-friking four years old. And the last time that I cry about something is what I did.

I went the next day and I trained twice as hard because that's how you do it. That's it. You want to respect in this business. You better earn it. And I'm not talking about, you know, just by, you know, being pretty and looking good. No, you got to work harder than anybody else. That's it.

That is it. Get it in your head. You want time on TV, work hard and perform. Get it in your head. I love this. I love this mentality. So when you're growing up, which wrestlers did you idolize or you look up to? soap operas, baby. I watched soap operas. I didn't watch wrestling. I mean, it was there. Lucha Libre was there,

AAA and TMLL. I think the ones that I remember for sure were Mascarita Sagrada because he was on TV. Conan, because Conan used to do movies. Oh, wow, yeah. Movies, he used to sing. He used to sing in the soap operas. There's a couple ones from AAA that I watched. but I didn't really was involved in, like, the whole thing of Lucia Libre until I was 18, 19. It was one of the first time that I went to shows and then I started going to, like, indie wrestling.

For me, Indian wrestling was, it was, it was it was it. I didn't really like, um, W.O.E was never like, it was too fake for me. I remember my cousin used to watch WWE when the Rock and Steve Austin were there. And like, with, um, Johnson, I used to wear the big, uh, clock. And I was like, what is this ridiculous? The ridiculousness that you're saying watching and you're like, dude, you got to watch. I was like, this is so stupid. I'm sorry, it's so stupid.

And when I started watching it, watching it was around 2007, 2007, but it was TNA and it was the impact of the knockout division. Okay. And I fell in love with it. I fell in love with it. It was like so dope. I was like, oh my God, this ladies can go. You know, like Kong, Sheila and Melissa was there as Aisha Said.

Gail Kim ODB was my favorite Oh my God I loved when she came and grabbed her tits and it was when I saw like, it's gonna be me when I get older yeah

oh man it was like so dope and Lisa Marie you know Victoria Victoria like I loved it it was like you know this ladies know how they know how to do it

those are the ladies I remember the most because those are the matches I watched Mickey James too she was there so as you can see I didn't watch your typical you know, bronze and panties matches.

I didn't watch that until my friend when I was wrestling, he was like, you need to sit down with me. We're going to watch these matches. And please promise me, you're never, ever going to look like this. And then we watched, it was Mickey James,

and what is the lady that she passed away recently? She was from Playboy. Ashley Mizarro? Ashley Mizarro. And I saw Mickey James working, working, man, to make this match look good. And he's like,

you see this, please don't do that. You know? And I was just like, wow. And I remember when they had evolution, Mickey James was in a match. And I tweeted, Mickey James should be the MVP of this show. Because I saw it.

Like, people like Mickey James have made me, like, be a worker because you've got to be a worker. You need to make sure your opponent looks good, especially if they're like the favorite of the company, you know? So it was like people like that. That's where I started looking up to. you know that that we're workers so is mickey james the dream match for you that's one of them yes yes

now who else then for now sarah stock hopefully she doesn't retire and we we can step in the ring she's so good she's so damn good and i love seeing her wrestle um who else i really i don't know i really don't have maybe diona because she's so uh technical i think it'll be a lot of fun because I don't get to do those matches as often. She's a lot, a lot of fun. I think those are like the ones from now. I mean, so far as like... You've wrestled so many people, right?

Yeah, yes, I have. Maybe have a one-on-one with Eosuray. I never got the opportunity to do that in Japan. She was my trainer when I was in Japan. And I, oh, man, she's hands-down one of the best women wrestlers in the world currently. Like, she can work any style. And she's so good at selling, like, telling a story, like, even if she doesn't speak English, like, people are, like, drawn to her.

And I was just, like, mesmerized when I used to watch her. Oh, Miko Satamura. There's another one. Well, look, that exact description is you. Like, you can work any style. You can work with anybody. You can make anybody look good. Thank you. This is you. And I hope that you are aware of this. Well, you know, I had great trainers. Like, my trainers were very influential in my, in my career, you know, and she was one of them. Like, that's when my first year of wrestling, when I went to Japan and she took over the training and she forced us to get out of her comfort zone and then she's crazy

she does a lot of stuff with like with ropes and stuff and all of us is like oh no use ropes can we just like go back to America? No, you getting in the ropes and it's like she was very challenging and she was very open to it too that's another thing I like about her because it wasn't like you know I'm your sempai and you do whatever I told you to do no she was like

what do you want to do? What move do you want to do? Like very like encouraging for creativity you know and she studied her opponents and I remember her and me a.m. had a match in LA. And she already had her notebook and she already has a couple of ideas that they both can do. And like that will benefit both of them, you know? And it was like, it was really dope to see that.

Because sometimes a lot of times when I worked here, like I didn't get to do that. It was like, you do what I tell you. And that's it because I'm your sempa. And I'm your veteran. And I'm just like, okay. Okay. So. Yeah.

So I think that that's an interesting thing. Like someone actually taking notes and going, oh, man, I've been looking forward to this match with you. I think we can do this, this, this and this. that's so different than most people go, eh, we'll figure it out, well, figure it out, like, we'll be, you know, 10 minutes before the match or something. Yeah, I mean, that's another way to work. Like, that's another way that I like.

We call the finish and we just, you know, we feel the crowd and we just want to work. Because that's another thing that I really do enjoy because that's when you really can, you know, work on fly and be like, and create magic. Because you're really creating magic, you know? And that's very challenging when I've done before. And it's really fun.

So let's talk about this all-out match with Shita, which was one of the best matches on the card. How did you feel about it? It was so challenging because, you know, I have to come to A.W. representing an NWA, but I also have to be respectful where I'm working, you know? So, you know, I'm like, I'm like, this is not, you know, where's my agent? So you still have an agent, like Trevor Murdoch was one of the people that really helped bring. bring that thunder rose that you guys saw at power. You know, it's like the vicious little bull. Like she's like, if anybody asks you, you tell them you have five three little monster because that's who you are.

And it's like, that actually makes sense, you know? Yeah. And don't let anybody tell you otherwise, okay, because that's who you are. So he's like, I'm on the phone. Like he's pumping me up. It was like, okay, okay, Trevor, okay. You know? So it was like, it was mentally like, you know, because it's a big, such a big stage.

And there's so much in stake. Like there is no room for error. I feel like I'm like, quoting the Eminem song, you know. Lose yourself. Yeah, lose yourself. It's exactly how I felt. Like, there is no, like, you can't,

you can't think too much and, like, FTA, like, you have to just go there and kill it. So it was a really good experience because Shita was ready. She was ready to show something that she's never ever showed before in, in in in in in in a w and she knew that we will be able to perform like she trusts me 100% um and I trust myself 100% I have pretty good cardio by the way just gonna put it out that y'all you see it on your Instagram all the time yeah I mean man I work I have to go back to training tomorrow MMA I'm gonna die I'm just gonna put it out there I am going to die I have not trained

MMA in a month and all my and everybody's on fucking training camp so this is gonna be intense But thanks to MMA, I'm, you know, I'm pretty in pretty good shape. But it was really good. Like she was, she was really good. She was ready. I really had, you know, certain things that I really wanted to convey to the fans. And I want them to see, like, that you can do a lot with storytelling and not with a lot of spots. You know, although you feel like there was a lot going on.

There was not like, let me jump from the third row, give a flip and, you know, boom. Like, no, it was like the greedy. I said, I do a lot of strikes, you know, and I want to make sure that I, I can show that in there, you know, like that I'm quick, that I'm fast. And when I come, it's just like, like, I found her. You know, it's just like that. And I was able to do that. And she was willing and open to, like, do that.

She, she wanted to have that match, you know. And, you know, everything prior to it. And then when I already got hurt and I saw him coming into the locker room, I was kind of scared. I was like, oh, my God. Like, you know, we have to follow something that was really, could have been really tragic. You still have to put a show. It was, it was like, you know, it was just like, what am I going to do?

But it was like, I can remember just waiting there in time, 10 seconds, 20 seconds, whatever, you know, showtime. And I'm just like, okay, it's ready to go all balls out. And man, it was, it was such a magical, magical moment. Like, you have no clues, like culmination of, you know, the drama, the tears, the, the, the, the, the, that second. guessing yourself, the what ifs, but once I was there and I turned around and I look at the cameras, it was like, it was gone. Like, those thoughts were gone. I was like, I know what I'm here for.

And I remember when I was walking, this is a funny thing. I was telling everybody, when I was walking around my room, I felt like I was going into my, into a fight, you know, into my fight. Like, it felt exactly the same. It was like, you know, I was in the zone. Every person, like, are you okay? Is everything okay? I'm like, I'm in the zone. Like, this is how it looks like when you're about to fight, you get on the sound, you know? And I just feel like that the whole entire time when I was in the ring. And then when I was in the ring, I was like enjoying it so much. I was like craving for the camera.

I'm like, where are the cameras? Because I'm going to make some crazy ass facials on this thing. You have great facial. Yes. And it was so much fun. There was one, actually, somebody tagged me that I was doing some like edge, edge facials. Yeah. And I didn't even notice.

I was like, this is great. This is amazing. But I think, like I said, like I said it before, like we were going to create magic and that's what we did. Well, were there a lot of discussions going into this that if the NWA women's champion loses to the AEW women's champion, it devalues your belt in any sort of way? No, it did not. It did not.

I will dog dare anybody to get in the ring and do what we did there, you know? It just, it's just show anybody, like one of my friends, she just got. her fight. It was too for the contender and she's a champion for the LFA. She unfortunately lost. It didn't devalue that she's still a champion in the LFA, that she's still a fighter, that she's still going, she's going to go and get her

dream. The same thing. Just because I lost this one and I'm like that as a champion doesn't devalue anything. On the contrary, I think it just shows the caliber of talent and the caliber of an athlete that I am and that I'm and I'm valuable with or without a championship

on my belt. I mean on my, on my way. We're getting a promo here. Wow. That's natural because I'm talking to you. You know, Eddie Kingston talk to me a lot, so I'm talking from the heart. No, but it's the truth. Is the truth? It's like, you just have to like, you know, pour your heart in your soul and what you do. And that's what I do every time I step in the ring.

I don't care if there's five people in there, they're still going to get a good match. If there's like the whole world is watching, they're still going to get a good match. Why? Because I get there and I perform and I outperform anybody else. Because that's who Thunder Rose is. Fighting. I don't want to fight you. So is this the last we've seen of you in AEW? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I can't say no. I have no clue. Like this is that part. It's like you get this high and I'm just like, it was next. But I'm defending my championship. on my show on Mission Pro Wrestling against

Lindsay's No. And then I'm going to be participating in this prime time in L.A. with Dave Marquez. So I'm still going to be doing stuff, you know. And then I have a match with Kimberly Lee on Saturday. I never faced her before one-on-on-one. So I'm like super excited. So, I mean, things are happening.

And like I said, if AW can happen again, why not? I'm more than open to do it. I love working with the ladies. I love being part of the training. I love being able to talk to those who are open, have open years, and they're like, you know, observing like sponge. Because I can share something that I help me become successful in the business, you know? And that's the passion that I have that when I step, even when we're training,

I train just as hard as when I wrestle, you know? Your passion just boozing through. This is amazing. Everyone is watching this or listening to this is super inspired now. They better. Now, that's the next thing. Maybe I should start doing, like, motivational speaking. Like, that's another thing that I could do.

I mean, like I said, on Saturday after the match and I was talking to Dustin, that was Saturday. No, that was like a couple days before that. I went to the back and I was telling Dustin, like, how happy I was. And, like, after the match with Serenity, but I was just like, you don't understand how emotionally move I am because I come from nothing. Get this. I come from nothing.

I come from Tijuana, Mexico, I'm the third of a four girls, that, you know, the world probably, or the, you know, the perception will be like, I am going to be married at 16 by the time I'm 24 with four kids, because that's what, you know, a lot of my friends did and not did anything for herself. Yeah. But it was like, now I'm in the biggest, one of the biggest stages in the world about to, like, show what women's wrestling is all about. Yeah. you know, this is, and I'm 34 years old, you know, it's never too late. But there was a decision that you had to make early in your life where you were going to be selfish for yourself and not in a bad way, but you were going to decide to start living for yourself and your wants and your dreams. And look at you now because you made those decisions.

Well, we still have a lot more to go, but yes, but it's been, I have to separate myself from my family. And I love them and I share these moments with them. I, we have a group on WhatsApp that we shared like important things that are happening in our lives. And I sent a screenshot of one of the fans sending a picture of me being on the stage and just telling them thank you for being there for me because they have gone to a lot of my shows in San Diego just support me. And like the funny thing is like wrestling keeps getting me together with my family. And last year I want to share this one because again, it's part of like the whole Thernerosa thing. I happen to be in San Diego when my one, when one of my favorite. favorite ons was passing away. That was our last day in this earth. And if it wasn't because of that show, I would have never seen her again. You know, it's, wrestling has given me so much and keeps giving me so much that I just want to give back to like the girls that I work with in the community when I go and volunteer to my son, you know, to my husband, to my friends, because it's so important. Otherwise, it's just like, I'm just here and just getting all this

and not giving back. And this is like, I have. have to share this happiness. I have to share the blessings that I get and I continue to get because that's what's going to keep me, keep me motivated and moving forward. This is like literal. Like you, like, you, I feel like you, you have this like in your bones and in your blood because it means so much to you. It does. It does. It's like, it's, I mean, wrestling put me into MMA, wrestling, you know, allow me to travel all over the world. I have some of the coolest freaking friends in Japan and Mexico and you name me. And Europe, you know, like, it's like wrestling is such a, it's been such a good thing for me,

for my family, you know, like, you know, I'm an independent contractor. I've been able to be an entrepreneur on my own. And like, I would never done that if, you know, I would have continued to be a social worker. Yes, I would have helped people because that's what I always do and that's what I always want I do. But is this in a bigger stage in a bigger way that I can influence and inspire others to like follow their dreams? So what's the synergy between pro wrestling and MMA? Because for a lot of people, they do not coexist together. For you, they go hand in hand. The synergy for me, if I didn't have MMA in this COVID times, I don't think I would have been able to perform the way

that I performed last time. It brings a lot more than just, you know, I, we are in a business of make-believe. Now I know how it feels to get punched. Now I know how it feels to believe from a level. I would get hit and I had to like, you know, and just like it gives you that grit and that toughness that otherwise you probably wouldn't have.

But if it wasn't for pro wrestling and feeling those feelings when I first started, I don't think I would have been able to be like, hey, I'm ready for another fight. You know, it's just like everybody, every time I ask, why do you want to get punch in the face? It's not like I want to get punch in the face. You learn, like, you know, to evade and, like, you know.

That's not the goal. No, that's not the goal. But it's just like, for me, it comes hand to hand because it makes my, my movements in the ring make my lot more natural and a lot more crisper. And I feel like the last year and a half, that's what's happening, happening because I've done so much you get to like kickboxing, Muay Thai and all the other martial arts. And they just come together with wrestling now. So are you hoping to have more MMA matches? Well, I'm supposed to, but because of the COVID, everything got canceled. So next year, I'm not going to rush it because of my schedule and wrestling is really heavy.

And last time when I had my first fight, I can literally tell you it was very tough on training. Sure. Because I was like training. I was traveling a lot and I had to come back in training. And I was injured all the time because of wrestling. So this is with Cambodas. Is that right? Ambacus, yes.

Yeah. And Alberto Del Rio is involved. involved with that, right? He was before, yes. And sexy star is also one of the fighters. Wow. So it's just so funny that like the world seems similar-ish, but at the same time, you're training for MMA vastly different from pro wrestling training. Yes. Oh, absolutely. It's like the weight cut, the amount of hours that you have to train, the drills. It's, it's another world, man. It's like you have to have the mentality that I'm not going to give up mentality when you're like on your last straw on your last, you know, burst of energy, you just have to keep going when you're feeling

like you have somebody on top of you and you're dying and you still have to fight to get out of that position, you know, it's just like, ugh, but it's great. So you're basically saying when the world starts to get back to normal, whenever that happens to be, that's when you can start looking forward to another fight. Absolutely, yes. And I'm going to start looking for another fight and for a lot of sponsors too, you know. Well, there's a lot of sponsors behind you there. Well, this is for my first fight.

Yeah. Yeah, have like, oh, those people. You fight under your real name. Yes, I found out of my real name. I think you have to. Yeah, but I- Except for CM Punk. Well, he had paid the good book of money for doing this.

You're like, Thunderosa would find an MMA match for a lot of money. Hell yeah. I think somebody, one of my friends, like, yeah, if they pay me like, if they pay me $50,000 and I know I'm going to lose, I'm still going in. You know, I'm training whatever. So $50,000, you know. I don't believe you would ever go into a fight thinking you're going to lose.

Oh, no, you can't. No, I can't. Not at all. Now I'm not, you know, I'm like, I was like I said, the first one I was like, fuck, like what I got myself into? You know, because it's like you have to learn everything from scratch, you know? And now it's just like, okay, now I have to do the reps. Now I know how to do things.

Yeah. Now I just have to do it, you know? So, yeah. While we're showing things off, is Monica still there to show off your new t-shirt? Can you please come to? It's such a good shirt. I've seen this before. Okay.

Look at that. So this, let me move. Let me move. There we go. A full shot. So everybody's just listening on the podcast. It's like, what am I looking at here? So this one is from NWA.

You guys can go to NWA. And get it from there. This is exclusive in NWA. And we have a very limited. It's a very limited edition. And the other one that I have is this one, the same designer. These are great. And this one, you can find it on thunderosa.net.

Wow. Okay, these are great. We did not plan to do like the, you know, Price is Right Show and Tell here. But thank you, Monica, for being a lovely model during that. Yes. No, those are great. You've got so many things going on. So, I mean, pro wrestling, MMA, then you've got your vlog on YouTube.

I will link to your YouTube channel below. So anyone is watching this can subscribe to you and watch your adventures on there, too. Yes. I haven't posted anything in a minute. been so busy, but you can watch all kinds of stuff there that we have. And they're fun. They're a lot of fun. We put a lot of effort in them.

And also on my website, on my website, not how I do on my website. Just my merchandise and my dates and where I'm going to be at. And Missionpro Wrestling.net, which is a promotion that I own and I run. It's a female, old female round promotion, and we're having a first show that we almost sold out of all our tickets, believe it or not, here in Buda, Texas. and it's going to be live on September 18th, and we're going to be streaming it on titlematchnetwork.com. This is, I mean, that's amazing that you put that together. So congratulations on that,

especially in the weird world of like how live events are functioning right now. Yes, but, you know, everybody's getting tested. All this stuff is getting tested where, you know, a practice in social distancing. The place that we're going to have it is pinballs. And they're being like really, really supportive with us. So they already separate all the tables and we're putting people in groups. So if you come on your own, you're going to be on your own.

We're not up to you with anybody. I just want to make sure that, you know, everybody has a good time and that they enjoy wrestling. They miss wrestling so much. And what better than bring the best of Texas and the best of the country here in Texas so they can see what we have? This all makes sense now because a few months ago you put out a tweet and said, who's a great independent wrestling ring announcer? I got tagged by a bunch of people. Now it all makes sense.

We're looking for someone for your promotion. Yes, and it's a female. I would hope it's a female. Our commentators are females. Our ring announcer is a female. Our camera woman are females. Our photographers are females. Our merch ladies are females.

Our ticket ladies are females. You know, our designers are females. So we're trying to like get to the next level. Once I get more organized a little bit, I want production to be females and like do something cool for our website or YouTube and but that's like down the line but everybody's been super supportive we had so many sponsors and they already like want to sponsor our next show we don't even have our first show yet but it's been successful like I said this is the first time that I've been running shows for about four years now

that I pretty much sold out of tickets before the show started so and it's COVID time that's the thing it's COVID but that that again that tells so much of the work that I my husband and I and my team we're all been doing for the last, the last years that they believe in what we do, and they know we put our products on. Well, it also speaks to the fact that this doesn't really exist right now. And I think that, you know, you've found, you've found this opening in the industry that someone hasn't filled yet. Yes.

And we're like the first in like the history of wrestling, you know. Our booker is a female, you know, and it's very weird to find that. So it's Robin Reed is helping us with booking. So we're having a lot of fun on the process. Sometimes it's growing pains. you know, you have to go to grow, grow pains to get good stuff. So, but it's where I'm really positive.

I'm not even stressed out. I usually gets really stressed out. I don't do any shows. And I'm like a total bitch. And my husband is like, you better treat the ladies right, okay? You can't be in a bad mood. And I'm just like, okay.

You know, so yeah, so we're going to have fun. But it seems like everything and anything that you do, you put all of yourself into it, which is exactly why it pays off and it's been so successful. And you've been so successful.

Yes. Yes, yes. I mean, there's a lot of sacrifice and stuff. But the thing is, like, I run so many shows and I help run so many shows. But this is the first time that I actually took on a lot of the responsibility because usually it was like my husband doing it and I'll just do the other stuff. But now it's like most of it. And then we just like help him pass with just publicizing and everything. All the PR, he's helping us with PR. But other than that, it's just like a lot of the logistics has been a lot of like the females doing it, which is cool. Well, I look forward to seeing some of those matches. I imagine you'll have them up online after the event. Yes, yes. And we actually have Swole. She's going to be in our show. Look at this.

Swole against La Rosa Negra. I'm really looking forward to that, and she's really looking forward to that. And then we have red velvet, too. And she's been pretty active in AEW. So she's going to face one of our ladies, our local ladies here in Texas. So this is like the best time possible for you to be not just a women's wrestler, but a champion in women's wrestling. I don't mean to just mean the belt.

But you are championing women's wrestling. Yes. And I think we should continue to do that. I think more women in the business should come out and take a risk and do stuff, not only for yourself or for others. Because once you leave, you don't leave anything, like your name is gone. Yeah, you might be like, oh, yeah, she was a champion here. But it's more than that, you know.

I'm blessed that I've been able to make history this year in many different companies with Tokyo Joshy Pro Wrestling being the first foreigner to, like have a championship and I still have it because I haven't not been able to go to Japan with COVID. Then now with the first female born wrestler in NWA from Mexico to win the NWA championship, you know, and now to be the first NDA female wrestler champion to go to another company and, you know, have a championship like this. Amazing.

Yeah. So it's pretty cool, man. My name's going to be there. So I'm cool. I guess it's pretty cool. I guess it's all right. There's a lot more to accomplish and achieve. And I know the challenges will continue to come and know the opportunities to make the brand bigger and better.

With, you know, you just have this great mindset. You have this amazing drive to go after everything that you want. Is there a certain phrase or something that drives you that you go back to and, you know, remember that? Yes. When we first started, I will always say that I'm unstoppable. Hashtag unstoppable. We used to use that one.

And like my friends that they were with me from the beginning, they always hashtag me on everything. Hashtag me on everything. Hashtag unstoppable. That's why I am. And this year is like I will become undeniable. That's it. Like there's no turning back. People are going to know my name because they're going to see why.

And like what happened on Saturday that just made it. on deniably like she's thunder Rosa you know well i'm very excited to see where this leads and what a great conversation wow thank you so much for this see i'm easy and we see to like have interviews with right nobody's downing that no not at all yeah so so thank you i'm so excited to see what the russ of 2020 has in store for you uh congratulations on your on your company on your indie show best of luck with that. Thank you. I can't wait to see what 2021, 22, and so on holds for Thunderosa. Well, it's going to be good stuff. And like I said, if it's not in a big company or whatever, we will still make a difference in whatever we are. Like, for me, it's not about only the

money. Yeah, it is nice to have money and be rich, right? And be stable. But it's more, it's more than that. Like I said, wrestling continues to give me so much. And, and, and that's what I want. I want, you know, I want to be able to like take myself to Japan and maybe he can see, me in Japan, wrestling, go to Mexico City and wrestle and El Consejo and not for money just because I want to do it, you know, and that's the best part is when you do things because you want to do it because you want to make sure people see that and they're like, yeah, she's good and she doesn't because she knows what she's doing. Thank you so much. This was great.

No, thank you. So there you go. How fantastic was that? And now we know so much more about Thunderosa than we did an hour. hour ago. What an amazing story she has. And what a great storyteller she is. Snap a screenshot, tag us on social media. Let us know that you're listening. Share this out to the world. I'm at Chris Van Fleet. She is at Thunderosa 22. And I said it during the interview, but her passion just oozes through in everything that she does. I mean, how can you not love her? And only six years into her career, man, she's really just getting started. Now, this is,

exactly a quote. We usually end these episodes with quotes, but I saw this on Instagram. I screenshot it because I liked it so much. And I wanted to share it with you because I think that you'll just love this. You'll watch an entire Netflix series, even when the first episodes are slow, just because someone told you it gets better. But what if you looked at your goals like that and watched your life get better instead? That's powerful. That's good stuff. Make sure you're subscribed to our next guest on the show. What a week we've had. Steepamy Oaches, Thunder Rose.

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