Insight with Chris Van Vliet - Tyrus Says His WWE Gimmick Was A Punishment, FOX News Job, Winning The NWA Television Championship

Episode Date: June 2, 2022

Tyrus (@tyrussmash) is a professional wrestler, cable news personality and bestselling author. He is known for his time in WWE as Brodus Clay and he is the current NWA Television Champion. He joins Chris Van Vliet to talk about his new book called "Just Tyrus: A Memoir", being a co-host on The Greg Gutfeld Show on FOX News Channel, why he says his WWE character The Funkasaurus was a punishment from Vince McMahon, how John Cena gave him his special moment at WrestleMania 28, what winning the NWA Television Championship means to him and much more! For more information about Chris and INSIGHT go to: https://podcast.chrisvanvliet.com If you enjoyed this episode, could I ask you to please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcast/iTunes? It takes less than a minute and makes a huge difference in helping to spread the word about the show and also to convince some hard-to-get guests.  Follow CVV on social media:  Instagram: instagram.com/ChrisVanVliet Twitter: twitter.com/ChrisVanVliet Facebook: facebook.com/ChrisVanVliet YouTube: youtube.com/ChrisVanVliet TikTok: tiktok.com/@Chris.VanVliet Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

All systems are going. Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Van Bleas! Oh, well, hello there. Welcome back. Here we go again on another audio adventure on Insight with Chris Van Fleet. Hey, that's me. I'm CVV, Chris Van Fleet. So glad to have you with us on this one.

And look, I know Tyrus from one very specific phase of his life. That's when I was introduced to him. He was Brodus Clay in WW, the Funkasaurus with the Funkadactyls. But the interesting. thing about him is he means so many different things to so many different people. You may know him as Tyrus from his time in Impact Wrestling. Or now as the current

NWA television champion. Or like a lot of non-wrestling fans, you may know him as Tyrus from Fox News Channel and the Greg Gutfeld show. By the way, speaking of NWA, always ready is just around the corner, June 11th, live on Fight TV from Knoxville, Tennessee.

This conversation is an in-depth look at who Tyrus is as a person and also the success story of someone who is absolutely crushing it outside of the wrestling world. His new book called Just Tyrus, A Memoir, is out now. You can follow him on Twitter at Planet Tyrus. On Instagram, he's at Tyrus Smash. If you're looking for me, you can find me at Chris Vanfleet. Snap a screenshot, tag us so we can repost it and so that we know you're listening. to this episode. Hey, Fernie 316, you're our fan of the week. Thank you so much for leaving this

review on Apple Podcasts. I've been a longtime fan of the show and a fan of the podcast since the beginning. Chris, I hope you have yourself a happy birthday. You are one of the best at what you do. Keep up the awesome work. And remember, age is only a number. Well, thank you. My birthday was on May 19th, so I appreciate you leaving the very kind words here. I read one review from Apple Podcast on every episode. It's my way. to say, thank you. Thank you for being on this journey with me. We are in this thing together.

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All right, let's dive into this one. Please welcome the one, the only, Tyrus. There he is. Tyrus, thank you so much for taking the time to do this. Good man, how are you? Doing great. I don't know what to congratulate you on first. I just feel like, you know, you've got so many things going on. So I'll just say, you know, congrats as a whole for the book, for the return to NWA, for everything going on. Yeah, I mean, across the board,

I got a number one show in the country, current world, everyweight television championships. There it is. I know, don't go, never go home without it. It's like an old American Express Does that fit around your waist, by the way? It does, but Dusty never wore it around his waist, so I don't. He always carried, he always held it like this. That's right, yeah. Major award, so I'm doing the same. So for me, this was, this has been, you know, I got the, my seventh title defense is coming up in always ready.

So after that I can call my shot, but I've already been on the record that not relinquish seeing this title anytime soon other than if somebody beats me. So Billy Corgan had that stipulation in with after seven, you can cash the title in for a title shot. And I'm just adamantly against that. I think you can, if you win one, then you can surrender the other, you know, but you just don't give up gold to try to get gold. It just doesn't make sense to my brain. Yeah. I hear you. Congrats on the book as well.

Yeah. Oh, just tire. Where's? It's like show and tell here. This is great. Yeah. I got, the only thing I didn't have, I had another, there it is, I'm still trying to figure out why anybody would want to pay money for a topless pitcher

to me, but I'll, I'll take it. The book, the success of the book has been, I'm still not really quite figuring it out how it's crossed over to so many different people at a time where all we hear about is division. And I'm, anything from teenagers to grandmas, to ethnic across the board really doesn't matter. It just seems like we all have one thing in common. And so the acceptance of failure seems to be non-denominational.

It doesn't really matter where your thought, we've all been through it. And to talk about it, honestly, I think is something that it's not a secret recipe, but it's just something that we just don't have anymore. Or at least we haven't had in a while. Yeah, well, I think that people often just see the finished product. And a lot of people were introduced to you as Brodus Clay and they didn't know your story leading up to there. The book really opens it up and people realize that to get that finished product,

there has to be a lot of stumbles along the way. It's clay. There's a lot of cutting and a lot of trimming. And just for where you are today, where you are. I mean, it's all you just walked through life and then just decided to be a report. You know what I'm saying? It was like you went through. I'm sure you had other things you wanted to do and doors closed.

And we all have a story. I think and the one thing I try to point out in the book is like my story is not any better than yours and because of the color of my skin, it doesn't make my story more compelling. And we all need to get back to realizing that we all have issues. And if we talk about them honestly, we have a lot in common. And I think that's what the book is bringing. I get a lot of that, especially about the father stuff. I'm really surprised I've got a lot of reviews.

That's probably my favorite thing about the book. is on Amazon, I think just on Amazon alone, I think I'm almost over 3,000 reviews. And I've really taken the time to read them. And people talk about how they don't, it's not like, oh, I'm, you're so brave. And, you know, like, oh, it's like, oh, man, this reminds me of this. Or this is a part of, I had the same thing, I never talking about. So that's the part that, you know, your message gets across because it's not about virtue signaling or being praised as a victim as we see so much now.

it's about saying, hey, look, it's, if you're going through stuff right now, it's part of the process. Right. You know, it's not a lot of times people just, like you said, the finished product and they think it was just an easy. I mean, the funcasaurus was technically a punishment. But, you know, I turned it around. But still, it could have went up a million other different ways. Where do you think for you, your story really begins? Probably just.

You always think of that one memory you have as a child. And I have four specific memories that I can just go back. And it was probably the most unpleasant memory was the day that we got, we had got rescued from my father. My mother finally got away from my biological father, who was a monster to her. And when he turned it on to me, that's when she had enough. And you hate to say it's a good thing that he turned. turned it on me, but I don't think if he would have, if he would always kept the abuse to her.

I don't think she would have ever got out of it. And it probably would end up with her death. So, and then we get out of it, you kind of catch your breath and you had like two weeks of like not being afraid of noises in the night. And then, you know, my grandfather comes down and just basically says, you got to get your life together. You have to go to school, become a nurse, a secretary, you have to do something. but they can't stay here. And me being present for that and me, it being pointing out to me that I can't have black kids in my house.

And just it's a constant reminder of the shame you brought to this family and all that stuff. That for me was a changing point in my life because that was the first time I really felt like I didn't belong and it was nothing I could do about it, which is like a suffocating feeling. And then I go through the series and stuff. But for me, that was a thing where like, I'm, but my whole thing was like I was going to show him that he was wrong that I did belong and so that kind of fuels you even though it's misdirected and you're never going to

really change somebody somebody who's set in a ways like that you're not really going to change their mind you have to change your own mind and I had to learn that and in the book you kind of see where I butt my head against the wall a lot trying to not really knowing how to navigate or I'm always trying to prove other people wrong instead of proving myself right I feel like There's a moment in everybody's life that changes their life forever. Was that the moment for you? That's the moment that I think that's when my childhood stopped. And that's when the fight began.

And it was, the timing's horrible. You don't want to be five years old and start, you know, thinking like you're an adult or whatever or whatever that. You can't even really describe it. But I think that for me was I noticed that's when I became an individual. Yeah. That's when I noticed. everyone's differences. Like most kids don't. Like when I look at my kids, my kids don't give a damn who they play with. All they care about are they fun, they're not to play roadblocks. And then,

you know, as long as they got those two things together, it doesn't matter. But when, me at that age, I was like, okay, that guy's this, this one's this, this one. I was already labeling and attaching meaning to everything. And it's never going to be good at that age when you start doing anything like that. So it's that for me. And then probably probably the day, I got fired from the WWE the second time, I think was what I think was a game changer for me because it was like my last month or two or my last three months than the WWE, I was bitter, angry. I never really got over the WrestleMania math getting cut.

I always felt I felt like I was wronged. And the other guys all seemed to like Cody and Dustin went on to be tag champs. And Tensai ended up being, it was going to be a trainer. and Sandow was Sandow and I felt like I kind of got stuck holding the bag. So I was kind of real, it was a tough, and it was a tough pill to swallow and I just refused to swallow it. So, and I started thinking like, well, if I'm not here, I can do this and I can do that. I can be an actor. I can do this.

I can do whatever the hell I want. But you always say those things. And then you say them enough and it gets around enough to wherever we hear is like you're unhappy, you don't want to be here. So the next release comes and they release you. And then when I got to call. I was driving to go train at Hard Knock South. And I remember I just pulled over for the phone call

because I realized it was important because Corona was calling me. And it was either one, I was going back on the road or two, I was getting canned. And it was the latter. I was getting canned. But I just remember sitting there going, okay, big mouth, what do you got? What are you going to do?

Are you going to be the guy four months from now who's backstage at a house show hoping John Lairnitis walks by you or AAA walks by you and say, hey, can I get a dark match? or, hey, is there anything I can do? You know, and you see those, you see those guys when you're there. Yeah. And it's like there's two, one, you feel sorry for them or two, you're kind of like, that's not going to be me.

You know, it's just, it's a weird thing. You never want it. And I get it. Hey, closed mouths don't get fed. But that is one of the most, you have the least leverage when you're going to them asking them to give you a shot. And sometimes it turns around, but more often than not, you know, you get the pity thing or the worst. And out of respect for the individual, I'll leave his name out of it.

But when he was trying to ask the producer if he can get a match or whatever, and the guy just said, I don't have time for this. I'm busy. And then he's got to stand there with everyone looking at him. And I was like, that is not going to be me. So, and then I was like, what am I going to do? You know, of course, and then Impact called me the next day. and then I, you know, I started doing TV shows and stuff. But there was a lot of like the money was gone.

You know what I'm saying? There was not a lot of money coming in like it was. Because at the WV, you go to a house show, you get a piece of the house. Like you can, and I out earn my contract and like every year you have a contract. I probably outurned my contract probably in like three or four months. So you had good money coming in. But then when it's when you're off the road, you ain't got nothing coming. Yeah.

So you eat through stuff. You don't think about the taxes step in. And I always had a. relative with his hands out like this and you want to take care of everybody. So I had to learn, I've learned some painful lessons about you because when you give everything out to people, when you don't have anything, one, they're not around. And two, they damn sure I ain't bringing back. They're like, hey, remember that five grand you gave me two years ago? Here you go, bro. No, you know, they'll say it's not my fault. You got let go. Yeah. So I had a lot of,

a lot of, you would think at, you know, at my age, at, I think it was 36 or 38. You think you would already have known it by them. But I had a lot of growing up to do after the WW release and had to really look at how I did business and how I caused things to happen as opposed to. Because you always want to blame the other guy when you get fired. You always want to blame it. You know, it's Vince's fault. It's Triple X's fall.

Stephanie's fault. You want to blame all. They had nothing to do with it. I did it. And I had to go back to what I talk about in my book about my grandmother said it's not what happens to you when you get in the mouth. It's your reaction that defines you. and the WW is a perfect example of my reaction defining how I was looked at when I was there the last, the last bit of my time of the WW.

You mentioned earlier that the Funkasaurus was a punishment. Like, how did that come together? So, first of all, Triple H and Stephanie were just phenomenal, right? I was with Alberto Dorrio and I really turned some heads. I did some good things and we had a good WrestleMania and they're like, this guy's this guy's legit aren't Anderson uh man i probably he had i used to say how many damn shirts have i rung out messer rolling around with you in the ring and getting you ready to be a killer hill and his goal was for me to tune me up for sena and that's what you want you know

seen it was was the toy still i mean rome's doing a great job but it's still seen it till it's not and um that's what you want is a heel that's where you want to go and you want to go with takers and cane and those those individuals big guys show those are the guys you want and so that's what you're training for and then there was a combination of two things one I make a lot of jokes obviously those who watch the got fell show and see my staff so I have a lot to say and I tease and make jokes in locker room and I think it was Yoshitatsu went out and he bought bro he bought an all white leather outfit from boots pants I didn't know

they made leather shirts and a leather jacket and a leather man back. All white. It was like peanut butter, peanut butter brown heels and white. This thing was, you couldn't even say it looked like a pimp, but he just,

it was just, and he paid like some ungodly amount of money for that. And I started teasing him about it. And I think, I can't remember all the jokes, but it was something to the fact like how many peanut butter brittle cows had to die for you to realize this was a bad choice.

And then when you think he paid like, I want to say like 10 grand for this outfit. I was like, what are you doing? You know, like, and we were just teasing them. And Mark Henry, I think he recorded the jokes or something. And he was laughing about something. And because Yoshi sometimes would pretend like his English wasn't very good. And I think the joke was, yeah, until your check comes. Because if that zero is mixed up, your English is perfect.

People think you're from Britain. Your English is so good. and everyone was laughing about it. Apparently, he decided to show it to the boss. Who thought it was fun? And so he was laughing about it. And then he walked by the, I guess he locked by the locker room,

heard me making jokes again, teasing. It was riffing in a locker room. And the next meeting, Trembalachians getting ready to debut his monster. And he was like, are we sure? He likes to make a lot of jokes. He thinks he's a pretty funny guy. And they're like, oh, yeah, he's,

you know, that's just how he is. And then they approached me with being a baby face, and my answer was basically F no. Not interested. Maybe at some point, but not now. And basically I rejected it. But I didn't know where it was coming from. So it was frowned upon a little bit.

And so then it was, AAA came back to me, and he looked like lost his best friend when he was trying to tell me, because, I mean, we're running vignettes and stuff. And I'm hyped. I'm ready to go. I'm chomping at the bit. I just came off of the, I had the staples in my head healed from the Alberta when Christian won the championship and he hit me to head with the ladder and I'd finish the movie, no one lives. So I was ready to go.

Like I was just ready to go. And he was like, the old man thinks you're funny, man. And I was like, okay, what is that? Yeah, funny how? I'm a clown to him? I am I mused him, you know, doing the joke. That's you thing. He's like, he thinks he gives you a baby face.

And I was just like. what what? I'm the house of pain. I'm collecting, I'm eating children practically. What, what, what's, how do we get him to cheer for that? He's like, we don't. So we're going to change things up. And he was trying to, and he did a, and he did a great job of messaging it to me. And I just immediately, it's like smiling while you get a shot. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you're smiling and you're going, what? And you're looking around for cameras or someone to jump out and be like, oh, I got you. And I just immediately said, can I go see Dusty? Can I go deal with Dusty? He'll know what to do. And he was like, you know, and apparently the other caveat that he is, I was one more thing. And I was like, well, he's like, he thinks she should dance to.

And I was just like, what? I don't dance, right? Even when I was in the club's bodyguard and I didn't dance. Yeah. I don't, that's not my, I don't, what? Like, what? And he's like, he loves to dance. Everyone who's seeing Vince McMahon stuff over the years,

this dude loves to dance. He loves it. He loves it. But I do not. I'm anti-dance. If there was ever someone who hated dance, no one hated dance more than me. Like, I would take a, I would take an O for the day at PE during square dancing. I was just like, I'm not doing it.

It's not my thing. I don't like. And so I went back to FCW to Dusty and I came in the office and I kicked the chair over. And I was like, they're trying to hate on, they're doing this to me. They're blah, blah, blah. And he was just like, he says it. He always had a way of like making it. He took it from me and put it on himself.

Like he took the burden off me and he's like, listen, you're mine. You're my, you're one of mine. You're my history. You're me. So you have to pay for my sins. And he's like, when I had to wear the polka dots, I had, I had babies to take care of. I had a mortgage to pay. And I went out there and I wore those poker dots.

And I was a three-time World Heavyweight champion. And are you saying you better than me? Are you saying you can't? do what this man asked you to do and turn around on him. Wow. So when he did that to me I all of a sudden now I felt like an idiot and a jerk. I was like

and I'm like I'm sorry man the Pocodots was cool. You're damn right they was cool because I made them cool you know and I was like he's like can you make this cool? What do you like? I was like well I mean if I had to do anything I guess I could do something like run DMC because they didn't really dance they kind of

you know he's like well there you go there you go. So there came the track suit and then trying to figure out how to dance. He was like, come with me. And he kicked everybody out the arena and he had his sound guy put on a song that was moves like Jagger. And I was like, what are you doing? And he was like dance with me. I'm like, I'm not dancing with you, bro. He's like, dance with me. And he was like doing his thing. And I'm like standing there. And it was. And then by after like a few minutes, like you just can't resist him. If anyone's ever spent time, he's ever spent time, of the American dream. You cannot resist him when he starts, when he gets an idea and he gets

going, it becomes your idea. And the next thing, you thought it was like a bad episode of footloose, me dancing around the arena, just me and him. And he's like, see, you get used to it. See, you ain't that bad, this, that, that. He's like, you're supposed to have rhythm. And I was like, yeah, but I don't like it. And before we know, I'm laughing and we're having fun. And I'm like, yeah, but you're not going to come out there with me, are you? And he was like, oh, no, no, no, I've paid my. He's like, but that's a good idea. And then he's like, who can we get that could help you? Because, you know, you got to dance and stuff.

And then just so happened, Naomi was literally in this weird position where she was the best athlete in FCW. And just they didn't have a spot for her. And she started working with Arian, like they were trying to do something. She was trying to come up with something. And I just walked over to her. And we had an idea before we tried to do. And it got shot down.

but I was like, I need your help. And it's like, but it's, it was a step back for her. Because as a wrestler, everyone knows that she's, she's probably, she's probably a hall of fame in terms of just her technique and her skill set. But, and she was like, I got you, but just tell me what it is. And I said, you know, and I had to be careful because it was important to me out of respect for Naomi that it wasn't a situation. And I love the godfather.

And I love two cold Scorpio. But it couldn't be that. It couldn't be, you know, the whole trains and it couldn't be that, you know. And her husband was a very good friend of mine. So it had to be like a cheerleader situation or like a teammate. It had to be a team. It couldn't be anything other than that. And then when I came up with the funcadactals, the emphasis was we want little girls

and little boys to want to be funcadactals just as much they want to be funcassaurus. So that was important to us. and we were able to get that together. And then once choreography and stuff, like she had me looking cool. Like that was all, all Naomi and Arianna, like they made me cool.

And the cold part was, if I didn't feel like dancing that much, who was really going to watch me dance when you had those two dancing? And they're doing flips and all kinds of stuff, and I'm just literally going like this. And no one's tripping. So I'm winning. So it was this massive team effort with the American Dream Dusty Rose

and Naomi. And Ariane, they made it to where I could pull it off because I could not have done it without them. It never would have got off the ground. And then the night we're getting ready, because Undertaker hated it. Taker absolutely hated. He's like, look at you. He's like, you're the one guy who looks the part. So why are we doing this?

And he goes to me and he was always tough on me. It was always tough love with him. But he was like, you know what? You should fall. I was like, say what? He's like, fall. Go out there, fall on the ramp. They'll cut the whole gimmick, and then you can get back to being what you need to be.

And I just remember saying, would you do that? And he was like, no, I do as I was told. I was like, so I did not fall. But his message was clear. You do what you told, no matter what you want to do. And it will work out. And of course, it was lightning in a bottle. And we had the number one toy and the kids liked it.

And the more I thought about it, it was a nice. tribute to not just Dusty, but like Y.D. And even Hogan did the stuff with the kids in the ring and flexing and stuff. So it was a part of the business that had kind of gone away. And it was kind of cool that I got to bring it back for a little while. So I look on it fondly now. I don't, and I look at where I was at, you know, and I realized that anybody can pretend to be tough on TV. We got enough fake tough guys on TV to last us a lifetime. And so being entertaining and going out and smiling and make everybody smile. And then when the bell rings, be able to, you know, do your thing. That's not easy. So that was the toughest challenge of my wrestling career. And when I look back on

it, my favorite. And a lot of people will remember just the entrances and not the amazing matches. And when you have an entrance like that, with a theme song like that, by the way. Yeah, which wasn't mine. It was originally Ernest and Kat Millers. And because he used to say, yell, somebody called my mama before he'd come out. Yeah. Then I had heat with him, even though I had nothing to do with it. And I was like, bro, you know we don't pick because that you know but uh and then that song became uh to where to this day people will come up to me and still sing it to me and but now the kids are grown so it's like i'll see somebody in airport and it would be like hey man you used to come out to that and that's i still have that song on

my iPad and i was like oh cool bro it's like i was like wow all right thanks and i feel really old now i was at russomania 28 when you called your mama and all the moms came out yeah and it was a cool part there was i'll never forget the guy who when i said everybody call your mom. He just put the phone to us. It didn't really, he just did it and called his mother. Then he kind of said, like, I'm calling my mother. And then he kind of looked up like, why am I doing this? Like it was, you know, it was one, we were supposed to have a match with Heath Slater, but time got cut. And Sina did probably the most, one of the most selfless things that a guy who's the top guy who doesn't have to do things like this, was in there. And Vince was

shaking his head. He's like the match before, you know, time just wasn't one particular thing, but they were heavy on time. They had gone over. And he's like, he was shaking his head. And I think he was talking like Michael Hayes and another one of the producers. And he was like, I think we're going to have to, we have to cut it. And then all of a sudden, seeing it was getting ready, he's right behind me, he's standing in the thing. He looks at me and goes, I go to the bathroom. And I went, what? And he's like, I go to the bathroom. I don't know. Usually I go to the bathroom. I don't know what, eight minutes, six minutes. I was like six. I can get it in six. He was like, all right. And he just walked out of the, he walked out of the green. He walked out of

gorilla. And they were like, so now they had to, now I had to go. And I was like, wow. I'm out. And so I went and I got my WrestleMania moment because Sina had to go to the bathroom. Wow. So yeah, that's, and that's the reason why you can never tell me nothing bad about John Cena because he was the top guy. And there was no reason for him to do that other than he just felt like it was the right thing to do. And I don't talk about a lot of people, but that to me was one of those moments were like, and it affects me now because being in a position now, when you get top billing and you sell out places and everywhere you go, people want to see you or talk to you,

remembering the guy who's coming up behind you. I don't treat him like he doesn't deserve to be there. So I always shake hands of every, like whenever security covers me for events, I always thank everybody. And Cena had a lot to do with that. Just remember. And now you're in that position in NWA. Yeah.

So it's the same thing. And really Corgan's cool anyways. He's just, he's something else, man. He is a wrestling fan. like no other. But his mind for it is pretty, he gets it. And it's nice to have when you, I've been fortunate to wrestle under some of the greatest minds in this business. When you think about Dusty Rose, Triple H, you know, I'm talking about outside the ring, Arnd Anderson and Mike Rotundo, Michael Hayes. And then, you know, you get in a new, and then you go a new company and

you get in a different situation and you have someone with that same mindset because he's, you know, the smashing pumpkins are still relevant. I just went to one of his concerts in New Orleans and it was sold out. Like, you know, and I had no idea. Like, his voice is the thing that you know about.

You know, like when you hear it, he has that distinct voice. Yeah. But unless you've been to a concert, you have no idea what this dude is like with a guitar. But he's sick. It's like a next level. Some of the riffs, you're like, like, what, how did I not know that this guy, you know, he plays like eight different guitars.

And each one is like a singer. It's just, it's unbelievable. So, but sometimes there's a disconnect. People who are successful and they try to go another venue, they can't stay in front of themselves, you know. But he's hardly ever on camera. He lets the, he lets the wrestling do the thing. And our style is a little different because we work stories and it's more physical and it's bigger guys. So it's a very, we found our niche and we don't compete with the WWE.

There's no point. And I hate saying anyone who does, you know, just watch WCW. You get about 83 weeks, but eventually the universe wins out. So it's a nice alternative. And for me at this point in my career, when I probably could retire and not look back, I'm not ready yet. I told Billy I'm good till 20, 23, 24, then I'll probably hang it up. And plus, I mean, unless my body starts to give out and you start to notice things like

you're not doing what you need to do in the ring or you're a step slower or things like that. Because I don't ever want to disrespect the sport that's been so great to me. But capturing goal, capturing NWA World Television Championship was a huge achievement for me. and I was, WWI was tag team chance with Kofi in Brazil for two nights because Ron broke his foot. So I had to cover with him. I had to cover for him.

So I was, and technically I never lost. So I mean, I guess I could say I'm still holding on of that bronze tag title somewhere. But that was the only time. And I had wrestled Edge for the world title on Smackdown, came up short.

And that was my only title. shot of during my time in the WW. So, was very, so this was a big deal to be, to come in, get to where I needed to go, get a title shot with Pope, and Pope fought like hell because he wasn't trying to give this up.

And now I'm in a situation where I'm watching Matt Cardona and Nick Alas and Trevor Murdoch. I'm like, hi fellas. And while this is going on, I'm having two and a half million people watch me every night with a title on my shoulder. And they keep asking me, like, why I'm the champ?

Why would I not? You wouldn't ask Muhammad Ali, why would he not have his heavyweight championship if he's going to be on TV? Like, I'm, and it's important to me also to represent where I came from. Yeah. It's important to see, especially for other wrestlers, because just like the NFL, just like the NBA, they don't have guaranteed contracts, you know, Major League Baseball does, but especially NFL and wrestling, guys need to have because it's such a physical sport.

you got to have something else. You just have to. And you don't always have to be the top guy in the business to be successful outside of yours. Because sometimes it has to do with promoters, who they want to give matches to, who they don't, you know, all that stuff. And you can't always control politics. And it can be frustrating. But if you're truly talented, it doesn't really matter. It might not work.

I might not, WW might not want to. allow me to be the top guy there, right, for whatever reasons. But I go somewhere else and I end up a top guy. What does that say? It says that I believed in that I was a star regardless of where I was. So, and if you have that work ethic, it doesn't matter. Other people's opinions should never affect your destiny. So I think that's important.

And for guys to be like, well, yeah, I'm not seen or rock. Yeah, because those are, you know, rock is the number one actor in the world is the rock. And I think number five is like Sina, like Sina's starting to do. So, and they have the tremendous, the blessing and the tremendous platform to go along with their talent of the WW. And it kind of slingshot them into mainstream startup. I didn't necessarily have that. WW probably was like, oh, he'll be back. And then you get to a point where you're becoming a household name, which is whatever.

And, you know, people stop me all the time. That's a lot of do with grandmas. And you talk about that. but to where they're like, well, you weren't, were you WWE champion? I was like, no. I was number one contender for like a week or two, but regardless, I said talent matters. And when you can transition to other things, now I'm in a position where I can very easily be within the next few months, the NWA World Heavyweight Champion, Greg Gutfeld Show, with my book and my Fox News.

I mean, it's an exciting time, but you cannot be complacent. And you can't be like, I made it because I made that mistake before. I made that with the Phoncasaurus. Like, oh, I made it. And I've got to do enough else. And then it's like that. I mean, it's like that. My girlfriend's mom is the biggest Tyrus fan.

So when, so she's been reading your book. Her name's Terase. She's been reading your book. And when she found out that we were doing this interview, she's like, oh, my God, I can't believe it. I said, well, do you want to ask him a question? She's like, oh, I would love to. So she prepared a question for you.

Oh, awesome. Let's do this. It's kind of long, but I want to read this too. It's fine. They always are. I'd like to tell him how proud my friends and I are of him and how far he's come. We love his sense of humor and his intelligence and his sense of right versus wrong. Knowing his background now, my question would be, what advice can he give to kids that are growing up now

and feeling that they have issues that are too much to overcome. In my recent years of teaching, because she was a teacher, she's retired now, I've seen so many kids with so much to offer who just gave up. And I know that he grew up in a different time and situation than these kids are in. But I'd really wonder what he would say to them. You know, that's a great question. And it's not an easy question to answer for the very, she made him such a great point.

Of course, she's a teacher. So the times are different because I, I was able to, there's not as much of an audience is when I'm growing up. What I'm saying is like social media has such a big imprint on kids. And they unfortunately depend on that for self-esteem. I focused on real tangible things to grab onto, like those friendships or goals. Like, I want to do this and this. I never had the pressure of coming home and looking at my Facebook

and having people make fun of what I was wearing at school that day to come, to go ahead. go on top of a shitty home life. You know, so it is different, but I do think it's the same thing where you have to, you cannot live in permanency. So what that means is that there's going to be a tomorrow. You have to keep telling yourself there's going to be a tomorrow. And this is not, this is not forever. This is happening right now and I'm going to beat this.

And this is not going to beat me. So whatever it is. And in my case, I had an abusive stepfather. And there was times when, you know, when you're laying on the ground and your nose is bleeding and you've been crying for so long, you're doing the hiccups and stuff. And it were very easy to curl up in a ball and just quit. But there was always a voice in me that means he wins. So I kind of, for me, I made it a game. And athletic and sports help me, but also theater help.

You know, everyone talks about my football and wrestling and stuff. But I was in drama class. I like playing characters. I like doing stand-up. I like and it may help me feel better. So the advice, it's complicated, but you have to find something that makes you feel good and helps you win.

So for me, it was wrestling, you know, watching wrestling every week. And wrestling was great because it came on every week. And my favorite heroes always were there. It came back every week. So it was nice. You kept seeing that. And it was certain TV shows like The Incredible Hulk.

I found he. I found things. So the one thing was easier now is you can find things to believe in on social media. It doesn't always have to be watching YouTube channels and stuff. You can find people who have gone through what you've gone through and you can see their stories. You can also can find, it's a lot easier to find help than it was, you know, because when I was growing up, you didn't talk, especially boys. Boys weren't allowed to cry. Boys weren't allowed to say somebody hit me because than you were weak. And, you know, so I think it's a lot easier once you call out for help now to get those,

to get the help. But when you don't say anything, I think that's the problem. Or when you allow it, like when you let fear take over so much of the situation and realize if someone's abusing you, they're afraid of you, you know. And so you got to remember, you got to find that power. And again, every situation is different, but you got to talk about it. You've got to find things that make that you believe in or things that you got to shoot for stuff, even if it's unattainable. Yeah.

You know, but in the, and like my son wants to be a saying warrior. And I don't have the heart to tell him that we're not saying yet. I know, we might look like sayans from Dragon Wall Z, but we're not. But I, you know, his nickname is Kakarot, because that's what he believes in. When he's having a hard day at school and that stuff, he starts talking about that and I'll do it with him, you know. And I'll be like, you know, and I'll play the part. I'm usually, I'm always the bad guy because I always die. But, and eventually that morphs another thing.

I don't want him to be 25 years old going, look, I'm a saying prince. I'll be like, all right, son. Then obviously we played the game too well. But you have to help them because he struggles with me being gone all the time. You know, like I miss baseball games. You know, my daughter, I miss soccer games. I miss those things because I'm working so much and I'm traveling so much. Yeah. So they have to deal with that stuff and trying to be there for them and guide them through that.

And sometimes they don't want it for me because they're mad at me. And getting to express that is important. And so they focus on their hobbies and I try to support all their stuff. But it's a tough. Being a kid is tough. It's just, I think in a really long answer to a great question, they just got to talk about it. I guess that's the best example. You cannot be quiet.

You've got to speak on it. That's a great answer to a great question. And I know that through you being on Fox News, you've opened up so much. we've seen a different side of you that we never saw when you were a wrestler. When that first started and you first got that job, were you worried at all that taking a political side by being on Fox News channel would alienate other people? Terrified. Terrified.

You know, a lot of my friends were, because I believed the hype, I got caught up in, you know, you see the stuff on TV and like Fox News was supposedly a super racist network that hated black people if you listened to anybody. that was against them, you know. And if you didn't watch CNN or if you weren't a Democrat, there was something wrong with you, you're a liberal, and you couldn't get jobs. You know, Hollywood wouldn't hire you, you know,

and you were something was wrong with you. And I had a, and I fell into that a little bit. And, you know, when Govfeld reached out to me on Twitter and offered me to come on a show, my first, I was apprehensive at first. I was like, Fox News wants me on there. Obviously, this is a setup. They want to bring me on there and try to embarrass me

or look dumb or something. And I'm like, well, they picked the wrong one. And my whole thing has been to walk towards challenges, not walk away from them. And if you walk through, if you walk towards the fear, it's less scary. So I was like, I'll go on there one time. And I go on the show with literally I was waiting for him to say something like, oh, wrestling's fake, you know, or I was going to have a Dr. D. David Schultz moment right here where I got to, you know, like put hands on a little guy. I didn't really know what was going to happen. And basically asked me my opinion.

I think it was a Royal Grande. She was stealing donuts with her boyfriend. I think that was the story that he gave. Oh, yeah. No, she was licking the donuts. Hicking the donuts and putting him back. Yes. Yeah.

And I was like, I mean, taste test has significantly changed since I was a kid. They used to have little samples on the thing with it. But, you know, I guess when you're, when you're heard, you can just lick stuff and put it back. So made a couple jokes. Went into our commercial break. And he was like, man, you're funny, man. He's like, your timing is great. He's like, you know, if you lived in New York, I'd bring you back, I'd make you a co-host.

And I was like, well, I don't live in New York. And I'm not going to live in New York. And he was like, what about once a month? And I was like, well, I got bookings and TNA and, you know, I'm not really sure. But yeah, I'll try. Like, sure, I appreciate it. And it was kind of fun. You know, it was like, wow, he just asked me my opinion.

I made a smart ass answer. And we didn't have the audience yet or anything. but the other guests laughed. And I was like, I'll do it again. You know, it didn't hurt. There was no lynch mob waiting for me and walked in the building. So, and I came back, I think a month later, I did another one. And then I think it was the fourth appearance where everything went wrong.

My suitcase got lost. I was on the show with a T-shirt and a pair of shorts, which is never, never good. Not that I've dressed to the nines and stuff. but and he wanted to talk about, I believe it was the Sterling incident that happened in New Orleans. It was a police brutality accusation with a brother and he got into it with police officers. And of course, it was being blown up as, you know,

all cops are racist and bad and stuff. And it was the last thing that I wanted to talk about. At the time, I think I had just started filming Preacher. And I was like, this, I don't want any parts of this. You know, this is going to kill my career. And then he basically said, if you don't, who will? He threw it back at me. And I sat on it because I had been on both sides of it.

I unfortunately have some horrible experiences with police officers. But I've had 90% of them have all been positive and they've helped me. And I've been in situations where I've had a flat tire or something went wrong. And an officer's like, hey, I got. You know, what do you need, young man? You know, I've been pulled over and I've been, hey, you know, you need to slow down, you know, have a good night. You know, so I've been on that side.

And then, of course, I had the two instances with bad apples. So I really was conflicted. Plus, you know, unfortunately, whenever a black man talks about the police, there's, or politics, we're supposed to fall in a certain box. And if we're, if we're outside of the box, we're not just disagreed with. Our culture is taken from us. We're no longer black anymore. There's something wrong with us.

So that, with that influence, with that, I was really thinking about just skipping the show and just be like, I'll catch the next one. I'll just stick to the, you know, celebrities look at donut stories. You know, I don't want any drama. But a buddy of mine, Joe Gatturo was like kind of like helping me manage my stuff. And he was like, why don't you interview some cops? You know, why don't you talk to some police officers, you know? And if you don't like what they have to say, then go out and just say it. Like, say, you know, say what you think.

Yeah. So I interviewed a few. I talked to three different police officers, and it was all in from different walks, different backgrounds, different races, as a matter of fact. And one was a woman. And I got some stuff off my chest. And we just had some real conversations. And then I went on TV and I felt like I went through the show and I was like, I'm just going to speak it. And I just said it. I didn't hold back. And the, I basically finished with when you're resisting arrest, you know, you're not. Rosa Parks, you're a criminal. And that episode went viral. And it was everywhere. It was bigger than any Fox News story that week. And Greg said, I need you here every week. And he's like, you have a voice. You need to use it.

It's like, it's not just jokes. You got to, and it's, you don't have to, no one is ever going to tell you, and this is 1,000% true. No one is ever going to tell you what to say at Fox News, what to think. You know, you don't have to agree with me. You don't, because he's like, you, and you don't know a lot of things. And that's the reason why you're here.

Don't, you don't have to, you're never going to be given a piece of paper saying, here's your answer tonight. Or, hey, could you really push this agenda? It just doesn't happen here. And I wouldn't remember it anyways. So, it was another thing in wrestling. When guys said like 7,000 things they want to do, I'd be like, bro, just let me know out there because I'm not remembering any of that stuff.

I can remember TV shows all day long in movie quotes, but my car keys and wrestling moves, I'm going to forget them. And it just, it was one of those things where, and then I realized that I had a specific voice to what I thought was brothers like myself. And like that and people in my age demographic.

And, you know, a younger thing, then this phenomenon started happening because it was a lot of brothers, who wouldn't openly admit to being Republican, which is stupid. But they would come up to me like, hey, man, keep the good fight, bro, I really appreciate you. Because pretty much anyone who's making serious money, kind of as of being a Republican. I mean, because you want less taxes. You want smaller government.

You want people out of your pocket. So that's kind of a thing. And but then it was older women, older ladies, especially older white ladies, stopping me in the street saying, hey, I loved what you said the other night. I was like, what? Because usually it used to be when my big tattooed self came walking up, they went to other directions. I mean, literally, if they drove up and me at a stoplight, I can hear the click, like, you

know what I'm saying? I'm like, damn, for real radio? But now that's your fan base. Yeah, like they come out to the point where they can rival. Like, I'm lucky because I'm a strange demographic because I have the demographic you want to have in TV. but more so than anyone else at Fox. And then on top of that, I have,

I hate calling it grandmas because that's not right. But it's an older group, and it's not just white ladies, but it's older women that not just say, hey, we love the show. And I made a joke the other day because it wasn't really a joke. I made a statement. It used to be, Tyrus, I love the Greg Guffel show.

I love when you're on there. You're so funny. We like you. We like what you say. but you stand up for it now it's tyrus i love you and it's like excuse me and oh thanks for watching because my answer is always thanks for watching like oh thanks for watching now it's uh oh thank you and you know and then it's like in they're proud of me and you know they like what i like what i say but at first what was it was kind of funny to me but then it was like you know what man

if the old school generation respects what you're saying, that means you had a work ethic. And then you're thinking things out and you're not just saying things to seem cool. And I'm not just taking aside to get attention. Sometimes you're going to say the wrong thing. Because, you know, especially with President Trump,

some of the things he said was straight, stupid. And I would stand up if I didn't like something. I was dead against how we talked about the NFL players. I was not cool with that at all. And I didn't try to pretend I was. I didn't not answer it. I came out with it. And sometimes no one should follow anyone blind.

No one should. The tribal thing is stupid. It doesn't work. Living in a box sucks. You have to have an exchange ideas. And you can have two thoughts in your head. And we need to get back to that because most of us have two thoughts on it. Most of us don't wake up every morning and go, what should my Republican self do today?

We don't think in those terms. Usually most of us think about politics when it's time for us to vote. And that's it. And that's it. Right. Here in the U.S., it's like, if you're either with us or you're against us, you're on a blue team or you're on the red team, and that's it. Because we got caught up, one of the downsides of having a reality TV star for a president. And that's what President Trump was, is, you know, the, his number one show on NBC where he was firing everybody.

That persona became him, even though that's a persona he played. And he does a lot of other things. But and then if you weren't with him, you were against him. And then it kind of became because he was so polarized and because the media had the camera on him every day, it became, it rivaled sporting events. And it became politics became sports. And it became transparent because everything he did was under a microscope. And it kind of backfired on the mainstream media because that also put other politician under the microscope. I always say whether the tweets or whatever, the policies, he was the most transparent president we ever had because he was always in front of the camera and he never ran from the camera, even when there was times that he should have just not.

But he did it anyways. But that made everybody pay attention. All of a sudden, senators and congressmen who've kind of been able to just go about messing over Americans, whether it's Republican or Democrat, voting for themselves, taking money from special interests. and the only time we really hear from is when they're running for election and that stuff got exposed. And then the media made it a team sport.

Like if you're, you can't have two thoughts. You can't be a Republican and support the Dolphin Project, you know, which I belong to. You can't care about the environment and be a Republican. Who said that? That's not how Americans are. That's not how we are. It's just we fall in the box and then we get the

extremes. You get the extreme left in the extreme right, they're the only ones getting airtime. So when you hear a nut job talking about right stuff, you're a regular person, like, well, hell, I'm not dealing with that. But then you get the super progressives who are talking about 75,000 genders and everybody's racist, you're like, I'm not with that either. And those are my two choices? No, and it's not because most of us are right here.

Yeah. And it's like what happens in my household? when you get your check and you get your and you look at the taxes coming out of it and if it's higher than it normally is you're going to have a problem with that and then you're going to look at which policy hey who's going to lower my taxes yeah and right now you know when you're filling up your gas tax yeah and right now unfortunately listen i don't what's happening right now this country sucks it's it's terrible the last thing you want to do is have a bad present our our administration it seems like they're disconnected from you and it doesn't

do anybody any good. You might give more ratings because you'll say more things to trash people, but that doesn't really matter. At the end of the day, I'm lucky that I can fill up my gas tank, which like right now to fill up my truck is legit about 150 bucks. And the cold part is the pumps are capped off at 100. So like literally you got that, you got to repay and then fill up just to fill up your tank. And I'm lucky because I've managed to, I've managed to, I have a good career and I have multiple pay sources. I get different checks coming in from different things. So I'm able to weather that storm.

But I'm telling you right now, five years ago, I wouldn't have been filling up my truck. You know, I would have to make some tough decisions. And we're seeing that right now because it's not just the gas. When you have high inflation, everything's more expensive. The barbershop's more expensive. Groceries are like just this week. there's we have a family i got what how many i got i got i got chris masters uh chris adonis is staying with me right now while he's healing so and he's basically like feeding another child he doesn't

he doesn't know large child yeah he doesn't really know how to kick in on things yet like he things like who you guys run a bananas we'll go get him like you're grown ass man but um to go shopping for like food grocery my grocery growth for a week is like 400 bucks is normally what it would be. And now it's almost 700 bucks. So you figure 700 bucks and $150 just to fill up your tank. That's literally somebody's damn near almost all their paycheck. And it's not fancy food. That's just like basic things in the house because we don't, I don't eat up that much. You're a large man too, though. Yeah. But I mean, and I'm on the road. I'm in New York and stuff and I'm meal prep. But I'm talking about just basic milk, cereal eggs, all that stuff. And Chris Master's bananas.

And Chris Masters Bananas, yeah, when I think about that, it doesn't matter who, if President Trump was in right now and Biden was out, I would be like, bro, the same way. Like this, you have to start doing it. And when you blame it. And the last thing I hate is anybody can blame things on it. And in my book, I always talk about accountability. And I can, you blame everybody, you can't move on. If I blame, I'll tell you right now, if I said it was WWU's fault that I got fired, I would still be where I was. the day they got fired just a lot worse off financially. But you can't grow when you put it on somebody else. When you can look in the mirror and be like, what did I do to get let go? You can't lie to yourself. You know it. I might go on Twitter and that's the only difference is that I've worked.

I come from, maybe it's the Gen X thing. I don't know. But we tend to, most of my friends and most of the people that I come up with or my peers, we tend to own it when something goes bad. It's not the environment. It's not the president. It's not, you know, social media. It's, it's me.

So when you own things, it's a lot easier to fix things. So when I have the president come up and say, it's Putin's fault, I just go, even if, let's just say it was. Do you have a solution? Because that's really what everybody wants to hear. That's what you want to hear. That's what I want to hear. We don't want to hear whose fault it was.

It doesn't matter. Whose fault it was, it's happening right now. Can you fix it or not? And it would be a lot better to come out and say, we can't fix it right now and we're going to have to figure it out so bear with us while we try we're going to try some things i would support that i'd be like thanks president biden for keeping it real instead of like it's Putin oh it's going to be great we're all going to go to windmills and electric cars yeah we got snowstorm sir the electric cars really we saw what happens with them

that technology is great and we will get there but we're not there yet it's a transition everything was a transition people went from horseback riding driving cars it wasn't over a weekend it was years you know buggy whips and buggy cards went away and then it's a transition doing it like we're just going to go cold turkey doesn't work and you end up in a situation like we have right now so with all that said tyrus and i want to be super respectful of your time this has been so great just a few more questions would you ever run for a public office here's my problem this is what i would run on This is why I'll never get elected. I would run on, I would, if, because at the, I did a show in Utah with,

Gotfeld, this weekend. And they were like, 2028, Tyra is you should run for president. And I said, well, here's what I would run on. I would run on term limits and no income taxes for firefighters, nurses, and police officers. That would be, that would, those three things, the two things I would run on. And, uh, I'll never get in. because no senator is going to support me because my first executive order would be anyone who has served more than 20 years in the Senate, thank you for your service. It's time to go home. We're not going to have any more guys dying on the job. How is being a senator or a congressman you could die on the job? You wouldn't let anyone else stay at work to the point where they could die. I love John McCain. I love everything he stood for. But there was no reason. that he should have still been in office.

And he's not Mitch McConnell, Pelosi, all of them, all those, that old school generation, they have become millionaires serving this country, which in itself is an oxymoron. You should not be a millionaire for a job that pays $173,000 a year. And you have your insurance, you have full benefits. You have a nice life. You have a nice house. But you should not have two. Bernie Sanders is a socialist with two mansions.

how does that even work? And it's not just one side. It's both sides. And then we all blame the president. But every time the president gets in the office, if he's on our side of the street, we do everything we can to undermine him. We saw that. It started with Obama when Mitch and his little band of Merriman got together. Bill Maher talks about it where they decided we're going to make him a one-term president.

That's not what is what is Senator supposed to do. And so they went out of their way to try to take down everything he did. They stole the justice pick from him. So what did you think was going to happen when President Trump got in? Democrats are just going to be like, oh, it's cool. No. So then I'm like, guess what? He's a one-term president.

And we're going to go after him with everything. So who suffers? The American people and the President of the United States suffers because of the Congress and the Senate. So they need to go, term limits. It literally should be, and no more lawyers. We need teachers, former policemen. We need construction workers, Dennis. We need people

daycare. We need people from all walks of life in America to run for office. You can serve for 12 years or eight years in each thing. You can keep moving up. And eventually you'll get a whole if that's your career.

But we shouldn't have no 40-year senator because he's one outdated. You know, think about that old guy in your neighborhood who if you stepped on his grass came running out of you. That's who's making decisions in this country. Get off my lawn. Yeah, you're right.

punk kid. So, and like, sir, I'm 30. But if we did that, I think, and here's a deal. You can keep those guys on as advisors. You can, you know, they're going to make a ton of money making speeches and stuff. But you don't, you have changed because anyone who stays in anything too long, it becomes about them. So I think that's, that's what I would run on. And that's why my big self would never get elected. But it would be, it would be a fun just to do the speeches. Yeah. This has been such a great conversation. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. And I love that we've been able to talk about everything. And I mean, I still have a list of things we haven't got to, which is amazing. Well, hey, we can always come back to it anytime, man. You let me know. But, you know, in the meantime, June 11th, always ready. I am ready. Yeah. I'm looking to, it's going to be a historical night for me because after I successfully defend this, sorry, Mims, just not your time, brist. Then I will be, looking at 10 pounds of gold. I don't care who wins it.

Nick, Matt, tomato, tomato. Either way, and they got their own personal thing going on, and they were forgetting about the big elephant in the room was just chewing on an Adonis banana, pizza, banana the fruit, watching the game. So we'll see how this plays out. So I end every interview with gratitude. I wake up every day, I say out loud three things that I'm grateful for,

so I end every interview with that as well. Awesome. Tyrus, what are three things in your life that you're grateful for right now? I'm grateful for my family, my friends, and my work ethic. And I'm grateful that you gave a shout out to your number one fan, Therese. That's going to score me a lot of brownie points. Hey, Therese, thank you so much. And thanks for watching.

Tyrus, this has been awesome. Appreciate you. Anytime, man. Have me back anytime. Great interview. Thank you, sir. Okay. Big thank you to Tyrus for joining us.

And NWA Always Ready is just around the corner live on Fight TV, June 11th, from Knoxville, Tennessee. Also, go grab a copy of Tyrus's book called Just Tyrus, a memoir. Find it on Amazon, Gardens and Noble, wherever you buy your books. My girlfriend's mom, Therese, loves it. I know you will too. Take a screenshot. Let us know what you thought of this episode. Let us know what stood out for you the most here. Tag Tyrus on Twitter. He's at Planet Tyrus. On Instagram, he's at Tyrus smash. You can tag me. I'm at Chris Van Fleet. And I'll leave you the very wise words of Confucius. A man is great not because he hasn't failed.

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