Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - 3I Atlas Conspiracy Podcast | Angels Vs Demons & UFOs

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

Harvard astrophysicist Avi Loeb is once again shaking up the scientific world with new revelations about 3I/ATLAS — the mysterious interstellar object racing through our solar system that’s breaking all the rules. No visible tail, no comet gases, and an eerie glow that seems to move ahead of it. Is it just another rock from deep space… or something far more advanced? In this episode of the Investigate Earth Podcast, Chad and Sheri dig into the latest updates from Loeb’s research and explore what mainstream science won’t touch — could 3I/ATLAS be connected to the same unseen forces the Bible calls angels and demons? From UFO sightings and ancient accounts of “heavenly beings” to modern-day encounters and classified projects, we’ll expose how spiritual warfare and extraterrestrial phenomena might not be separate mysteries at all, but two sides of the same battle between good and evil. Join us as we uncover the cosmic and spiritual connection between interstellar visitors, fallen angels, and the ongoing war for humanity’s soul.Check out our merchandise store

True survival and tall, this time rise up. Hello and welcome back to Investigator Earth Podcast. I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we got two huge topics, one from the heavens above and one from the spiritual world within. Harvard's Avi Lope just dropped new details on 3-Ey Atlas, the interstellar object that continues to defy explanation, no common gases, no visible tell,

and a strange Ford glow that has scientists questioned if it's natural or something else entirely. And then we shift gears into the unseen realm, angels and demons. What does the Bible really say about these forces and how they move among us today? Are we witnessing spiritual battles playing out on Earth right now? And how may that be connected to UFOs, aliens, or the paranormal? It's science, faith, and mystery all colliding tonight. So let's get right into it.

Guys, welcome to the show. It is October the 12th, 2025. The name of the song is The Lights by Laudito. not play this song in a while, but love this song, one of my favorites. And I will say that one of the least favorite parts of podcast is intros and picking songs. I don't know why. I would rather just get into it and start talking about what we're going to talk about. But I know I have to kind of preface what we're going to be talking about on the intros.

And then also picking good music that kind of ties into what we're talking about. And this song really just talks about kind of a battle that we are all in. And I think that there's an unseen realm. I think there is an angel and demon realm. I think that there's so much information out there right now that if you have followed podcasts like ours, conspiracy, or just political influencers even, you're probably right now so confused about who or how you should believe what you hear. And we've talked a lot about that. You know, one of those things obviously was also UFOs and aliens. you know, over the past five to six to seven years, the UFO topic really heated up, especially

on Twitter slash X. And so the UFO community used to be massive until it kind of got subverted by other influencers that came in and said that, you know, look, UFOs don't exist. The things that are flying in the sky are not real. And what we're likely seeing here is advanced reverse type engineering from our own government or others. And that still doesn't necessarily explain how we have seen some of the very same things that we see today thousands of years ago. It also doesn't necessarily explain what the Bible has talked about things similar to this for thousands of years, even going back to the Book of Enoch and the Watchers and all that. So we will touch a little bit on the Watchers, the Book of Enoch, the Bible itself.

But we're also going to get into Three-Ey Atlas, because is this a thing that we should be worried about? Is this nothing more than just some massive comet? Or, like Avi Loeb says, could this be something that is I guess you're not really manmade but some type of intelligence made right different intelligence not basically human but something from far far away that is alien like that is not a comet yeah absolutely so it's it's going to be an interesting conversation and for those out there that are really believe in the three eye atlas don't be a cult member okay there are people out there on

there are some implomers are saying hey you three eye atlas cult members out there that believe this thing's going to come and take you away and you're going to drink some type of serum to kill yourself. Look, that's not what we're talking about. We're literally just going to kind of break down what three eye Atlas is. We've already had one episode on this. And the reason why I wanted to talk about this I've seen is it's kind of been trending a little bit more over the past couple of weeks.

There's also some speculation about NASA. I know that we have some credible photos of very clear images of three eye Atlas now, but sounds like NASA is not releasing those photos. there is various reasons why they may not be releasing the photos. Some people say this because of the government shut down. Others say because they don't actually want to release the photos for some reason, maybe a conspiratorial reason. We'll get into that.

But I think what I'm really excited about talking about tonight is just the unseen realm, the angels and demons. What does the Bible say about this stuff? Because I think if we look around at our society today, as I was talking about in the very beginning of this, is that it's so hard to know who to trust in and who is saying what this truthful. And even people that maybe you had trusted for a very long time, there is starting to be battles waged, I guess, on the front lines,

even with people that were once close, people that once believed in each other's work or had these thoughts and opinions that each other supported each other. And now it's like there is a reckon ball coming in. And it's not just in necessarily our case or whatever. it goes back to the UFO community, it goes to the political realm, it goes to even on the right, for example. You know, think about this, Sherry.

We have President Trump. He's in office. You know, you have Pam Bondi. You have Cash Patel. You have Dan Bonjina. You kind of have what some would consider what they believe to be the dream team of a political cabinet, a presidential cabinet. And a lot of these people came and said, look, you know, on day one and all this stuff, we're

going to do everything we can to be 100% transparent. We're going to blow the lid off this thing, and yet we've not seen most of that. I do want to talk about a story that just recently released today, although we're not going to get too political on this episode, but a story that was released today was that AG Pam Bondi went and convened the federal courts. She had went to lobby the federal courts to say that there are two gun lobbying groups, essentially. These groups are set up and organized to make sure that Americans are able to hang on to their Second Amendment rights. They are the ones that lobby our government and lobby the presidents, including and especially

the Democrats, to make sure that we do not lose our Second Amendment. But recently, Pam Bondi, Attorney General, went to the federal court and demanded that the federal courts say that they have to, these two major gun lobbying groups, have to turn over their members list, meaning everybody that has donated, everybody that has put anything into these lobbying groups to make sure that our Second Amendment was going to be upheld and continue to be what the Second Amendment was about. And our founding fathers believed in the Constitution, well, now she is a lobby in the court that she just won in federal court, where now these two gun lobbying groups have to

turn over every single person that is donated or are on their members list. And a lot of Second Amendment people are obviously pissed about this. This is something that you would never expect, obviously, from a Republican president, a conservative, I guess White House, especially Trump, as much as he said that he's pro Second Amendment, he's pro this. But then you look at also all of the shootings that's going on. I mean, just in South Carolina, over the past 24 hours, we had a shooting in Anderson, in South Carolina.

And that claimed, I believe, two lives and multiple people were shot there. And then last night at 1 a.m. there was a bar in St. Helena Island, which is right just north of Hilton Head Island. And there were 30 or no, sorry, 20 people shot there, four people dead. And so I think there's been six people dead in South Carolina in the past 24 hours from mass shootings and over 30 people shot. So it almost sounds like Chicago and South Carolina lately. But then you follow that up with the South.

shooting that happened not very long ago, about a month ago or so, where there was a veteran that was on his boat. And he had visited this place. It was a Southport. I think I can't remember what the exact name of the restaurant was. But it's essentially a seafood restaurant that's right on. Yeah, and it has outdoor seating right on the bay or like right on the water. Yeah, right on the water.

Outdoor seating is a place that, you know, most tourists go to in Southport, North Carolina. It is a coastal town. and this veteran that a lot of people said he was crazy. We actually did an episode on this. And obviously he was crazy for doing this. But he had, I guess, been scoping this place out, even a couple of days prior to the shooting. And then that night he came, pulled his boat up and started shooting people,

I believe with the AR. So we're seeing a lot of this. And then you also had other shootings that it seems like some military people are starting to, for whatever reason to get involved in this. But it's weird. We are in a weird, weird time to where it's like, everywhere we turn and we don't know exactly what to believe who to follow who to trust anymore the people that maybe we have an office that we thought we were going to fully trust maybe we

don't 100% trust as much and then i'm not even necessarily saying trump but i'm saying the people around trump you know sherry it was something i was telling you earlier i said for me it's like trump is the engine of a of a vehicle and you think about the driver of the vehicle the passenger driver the vehicle, the wheels of the vehicle, the brakes, everything that actually makes up that vehicle is what's actually making that thing go. All Trump is is the engine. And I feel like that's Trump's team and that's his cabinet right now. I don't know who is influencing. I don't know who is infiltrating the Trump team and cabinet again. And I say again because 2016, he was less infiltrated, I believe, than he is now. But now you have this issue to where a lot of the

people around Trump, whether it be the Epstein files or the gun right stuff as far as the gun lobbying groups or just some of the ways they're reacting to certain situations as far as there are definitely people that still say, look, you know, we don't think that National Guard or especially active duty military should be in our streets. That's a whole thing to debate. I think we have to make our streets and our city safe. But I think the whole big takeaway of this is like, are we battling a battle, a spiritual battle right now in our world and especially in the United States? States. I think it's all around the world, but I especially think it is in the United States. And then you have the three eye Atlas thing, right? It's like everybody's talking about three eye

Atlas. And sorry, guys, I did not mean to kind of get off topic, but the whole thing, what I'm trying to say here is that the world kind of seems upside down right now. It does. And everyone around it knows. And everyone's like, you know, you better get right with God, whoever your God is, because there is a spiritual war going on among the actual wars here on. earth yeah for sure um so here's kind of a breakdown of what ovilob has specifically said about three eye atlas obviously you can go get the mainstream narrative on three eye atlas everywhere you know they say this is nothing more than a comet you have nothing to worry about but as we'd already talked about in another episode what is three eye atlas well kind of set the baseline three eye

atlas is a newly discovered interstellar object um passing through our solar system it's the third confirmed interstellar object observed after one Uwamua in 2017 and Borsob in 2019. Its trajectory is retrograde and high speed indicating it is not bound to the solar system. Now, as it is approaching the inner solar system, astronomers are using telescopes, e.g. The Hubble ground observatories to study its brightness, spectrum, dust coma, outgassing, if any, and motion. So Loeb's 3-I Atlas claims are in the context of debates about, whether this object basically is purely a natural comet or asteroid or whether it might show some signs of being something more exotic. And so here's some of the claims that Obie Loeb has talked

about as he has been studying this object as long. And by the way, this is not Avi Loeb's first object. He has studied. He studied all of the other interstellar objects. But number one, brightness and size. The brightness of 3-Eye Atlas suggests a very large size. We're talking about 20 kilometers in diameter. And if it's reflecting sunlight, assuming common albedo, is what they call it, then this thing, it could be much larger. Now, he points out that such a large object is too large for an interstellar asteroid, given expectations of interstellar populations. And then later observations and constraints, e.g. from lack of non-gravitational acceleration,

led him to put a lower bound on its size, maybe a five-kilometer nucleus diameter based on mass constraints. Now, the brightness or size map depends strongly on assumed outsized. albedo reflectivity, as they call it, an amount of dust in a coma, and how much light is scattered by dust versus direct reflection. Also, if part of the brightness is intricate, generated, i.e., that assumption changes the inference. So then you've got to think about the commentary activity or the gas emissions. So though objects like comets show gas emissions, lobe notes that 3i Atlas shows no clear

spectral signature of typical commentary molecules, e.g. CNC, or CO, and some observations. And in his Hubble telescope shows a diffuse glow ahead essay, they call it. And he cites Hubble observations showing a diffuse emission, i.e. dust extending ahead of the object, but no gas lines. He proposes that the observed glow, especially on the sunward side, may be due to the dust evaporation or sublimination of the sunlit side without strong gas signature. And so the lack of gas signature does not necessarily imply absence of the

gases, but they are very, very faint. And that is definitely not something we typically see with comets and especially comets of this size. And then one of Loeb's more striking observational claims is that Hubble images show a diffuse glow ahead of i.e. leading three i.alis towards the sun rather than a typical tell of a comet. So he feels like something is propulsing or drawing this common ahead rather than a tell that you typically see with comet.

So he interprets it as dusk is, or dust. is being ejected preferentially from the sunlit side and form in a coma-like envelope rather than a long-tell. This is something that I don't think anyone has ever seen on a comet ever. It's very strange. Loeb also develops a physical model for outflowing dust, gas, and how it interacts with the ambient medium zodiacal dust and solar wind to propose that beyond a certain radius, say, 3,000 kilometers, the outflow is stopped by ram pressure from ambient medium. use the estimates of ejection speed and a density scale, and he calculates a mass loss of 10 kilograms in one essay. And so he knows that the derived mass loss rate is independent of assumed nucleus radius.

This is also something that most anyone that has observed comments has ever seen as well. So we're starting to kind of see how three ialis is completely different than almost any comment we've seen in the history of, I guess you can say space research, including a muamua. but one strong claim despite mass loss, 3 ILS shows no measurable non-gravitational acceleration, meaning there's no deviation from gravity, only trajectory within observational uncertainties. He uses 4,022 observations from 227 observatories and residuals.

And so this is from May to September of 2025 to derive that any possible non-gravitational rocket effect must be very small. So he combines this with the estimates of mass loss rate and outflow speed to infer a lower bound on the object's mass, 33 billion tons from that. He deduces that the nucleus diameter must exceed minus 5 kilometers. So what does all this essentially mean, right?

That's a lot of stuff to say. Loeb's approach is conservative in mythology, but he often frames his more exotic claims as speculative, but bold impossibility. I mean, he's saying he repeatedly talks about that a natural explanation is still more likely while arguing that we should obviously stay open-minded because this is something that we have not seen before.

And among his claims, the mass lower bound or lack of non-gravitational acceleration is one of the stronger, more quantitative inferences that is harder to dismiss without challenging observational data or error bugs. And so if this is true, it implies that 3-I Atlas is much heavier and more inertial than many expected. And his treatment of anomalies, so saying the trajectory, the brightness, forward glow, weak gas submission is intended to show that the object is interesting, but none by itself is conclusively saying that it is indicative of artificial origin. But he does say that of any object that we have

seen in our space, in any interstellar object in particular, this is definitely one that makes not a lot of sense in terms of stuff that we have studied before. So then even the whole idea of maneuvering or course change is the most speculative and risky to his thesis, but because it requires assuming latent propulsion or technology that has not yet been demonstrated, but the most meaningful future tests include more precise trajectory tracking to detect non-gravitational deviations and deeper spectropity talking about, you know, is this thing going to move office course that it should be going on, especially knowing the weight, you know, what size we're starting to come up with?

And there has been some indications to where how it reacted around other planets as it already passed through and may or could have been deviated in some way on that gravitational pull for some of these planets. It seems like that it has not behaved the same way it should have other comets would have behaved in. Right. And I think the big difference with this comet is instead of having a tail, it's kind of like at the head.

Yes. And, you know, I contribute that to maybe the size of it because when I was researching it, they said it was almost the size of Manhattan. Yeah. Like I say a large, large comment is way bigger than the other two that came interstellar. Yeah. So that's one different thing is the composition and the size. And then I think about like science fiction movies, you know, when they're in space and they use these spaceships are like individual spaceships and they go out into space and they maneuver.

And they kind of use a head force first. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, a booster. Like a booster. Yeah. And that's what I'm kind of in my mind imagining that it's like. Yeah. It has a booster instead of a tail.

Well, I think some of our actual spacecraft have what's called forward trajectory boosters. So instead of seeing something you would typically see from an airplane where, you know, where you would see engines that are propulsin that is pushing the aircraft forward and they're usually on or towards the back of the aircraft, you know, there are some craft that actually have forward trajectory boosters, which can, you know, you know, you know, would be on more so the front side of this. You might also see some type of exhaust or some type of something if it is more towards

the front of this object. But all of that is obviously speculative. But here's a weird thing. It's like you have three eye Atlas and then you have a lot of people start talking about like, well, what does this mean? And does this mean anything? Well, we know that NASA has been pretty quiet on this, right? Avi Loeb and has talked about, hey, here's what we think about three eye Atlas.

and here's what NASA has been doing. NASA has what we understand to be potentially HD images of this thing, whatever it is. And so there are some people out there just saying they're refusing to release the images. Yeah. And that's kind of strange to me. Like, why wouldn't you release it? Is it because of the government shut down? Yeah.

Is that the reasoning? If it's not, then that's fishy to me because why wouldn't you unless you have something to hide? Yeah. So I want to play this clip from Redacted. he brings on a guy that we actually we've we've had or talked about this guy before and he is a astrophysicist he studies stuff like this extensively and so um i want to go ahead and play this clip and then we'll break it down and what what we think about this and then we're going to get into the UFO alien side of this whole conversation because i think that as more people are

starting to talk about this object three eye atlas as this moving through our solar system uh there's a lot people starting to ask similar questions again. Like, what are UFOs? Are UFOs real? Because a lot of people kind of got off that topic over the past couple of years. Yeah. And I got to say, you know, yes, our last episode was talking about Ashton Forbes and kind of a lot of that stuff. And one of the things that Ashton Forbes did very well, regardless of whatever, was he kind of a little bit took the vision off of UFOs and UAPs and kind of directed it a little bit more towards reverse. engineered technology that our government has in particular.

And so it was, it was strange. It is. Hold on it. It was strange because about a year and a half ago, two years ago, when Ashen first kind of started this, you know, the UFO community was in full swing. You know, we, there was believers there. There were people that were so ready for disclosure. And, you know, you had people like David Grush and in all these people, I guess,

coming out into the government and Congress and all this. and so the UFO community was really pushing for disclosure and then you had Ashton Forbes kind of come crashing in to the UFO community and it really felt like to me that it kind of disrailed or derailed the UFO conversation and that's pretty big for one person to do on X is to derail like all these conversations and just in my opinion real quick before you play the video I think it's both I think we do have reverse engineering and reverse technology from what we've gained from something else, not of our universe or from underneath the earth or wherever it is.

But the thing is, I think it's both because just our own experiences, Chad, that we've had together and seen together, I doubt that is government. Yeah. Like there is not little tiny orbs all over the place that are government. I just don't think that is. I think that is something that is supernatural or from a different dimension. but it is not our technology. Yeah.

Well, you got to remember too, and this is something we'll kind of get into a little more later, but you have to remember what was, what was the entire purpose of what the watchers did? When the watchers came down during Enoch, they taught mankind things that were, that were,

yeah, but it was not good knowledge. Yeah. It was things that would destroy. So what did they do? Well, the watchers back then, this was very primitive times,

obviously. We didn't have technology and computers and weapons and aircraft. Well, we don't know that. though. Well, we don't think we did, but either way, the watchers came down. And instead of like, you know, teaching people how to be good to one another and help feed each other and help make sure that your local, you know, people in your community or your village or whatever were taking care of, what do they do? Well, they came down to try to figure out ways to make women more

attractive, attractive, sexy, appealing. They taught men how to, you know, basically make shield plates for war. They taught men how to make swords for war. And then they influenced their minds to go to war. Right. So this was all the things that these watchers, aka maybe UFOs back then, maybe that's what people back then kind of saw,

but it was just in a somewhat different way to where they were actually interacting with these things, the watchers, the fallen angels. But their goal and what they did back then in Enoch days was to corrupt people. And it was to give them tools to destroy themselves. So even if you think about, for example, that there are things like UFOs that we have

reverse engineered technology for, well, what is people going to do with reverse engineered technology from quote unquote UFOs, especially if they are in the spiritual realm and the bad realm? Well, we may be getting tools that we are able to utilize and use now to destroy other nations, countries, or ourselves, or the entire world in itself. And so it's kind of like there are some similarities to what the watchers did back then. thousands of years ago. And maybe if we are reverse engineering these craft, that we're going to maybe use to get a nuclear warhead

or some other type of laser plasma beam type weapon to destroy an entire civilization. Right. It's just on a much bigger scale now than it was back in the watcher days. It is. But it also can be used for the benefit of humanity as well, though. Yeah, but we're not going to do that. But we're not going to do that.

Yeah. And I guess it's just human nature that we, have bad in us for some reason because some of this technology that we have received, I believe, from aliens or people from not our dimension or whatever you want to call it, can be used to benefit us. It could be. It's just like when Trump was talking to all the AI guys and, you know, using all this new technology that we can start scanning people and know if you're going to have cancer in 10

years in the future or, you know, things like that that can actually benefit us. but what do humans do? They take it and they use it to not benefit. They weaponize it. And that's the problem. It's even like you think about Nicholas, Nikola Tesla and free energy and all that. I mean, we could have all on one time or another had free energy. We'd never had to worry about anything, but we weaponized it basically.

I just wonder if, you know, Tesla talking about free energy and zero point energy, we're going to get to this video right now. But I just wonder if he also crashed out or not towards the end. I don't know. I'm just curious. Anyways, here's the video of Redacted and where he's talking about something very strange is happening with 3-I Atlas and NASA. And are they hiding something? Here you go. So in the U.S. government hiding the first HD images of the 3-I Atlas, this interstellar object from all of us.

This mysterious object just flew right by Mars on October 3rd and 4th. And NASA has some of the most advanced satellite images and satellites orbiting Mars and reconnaissance instruments that are actually tracking on this object. Astronomers were able to process data from the Mars Preserverance Rover that gave low-resolution images of 3-E-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-Rourable images of 3-E-A-A-A-A-A-Rat-Las on October 3rd and 4th, but high-resolution images from the orbitors have still not been released by NASA. why? What are they hiding? Dr. Michael Sala, who writes over to exopolitics.org, has been tracking this story. He's been tracking three-eye Atlas now for months. And I want to pause for a second because from what I understand is that they did release low-resolution imagery. And so this was during the same time, I believe that the government shutdown has happened. And then we also know that we have high-definition images that were also captured by the actual orbiting modules. And those

are not to be released. They have not been released. But the official narrative online says the reason why they haven't released them is government shutdown. Well, they did release low resolution or low res from what we understand. But anyways, I just want you guys to think about that as we listen. And joins me now to talk about it. Doc, great to see you.

Welcome back to the show. Thanks. I'm glad to talk about this really perplexing issue. It is perplexing because let's put up here on the screen. This is video of the Mars cameras here. You know, this is just a rendering here. but there's plenty of these high-resolution satellites taking photos that are orbiting Mars that are right there on Mars, not to mention the Mars Perseverance rover that's on the planet.

Why has NASA not released these images? Well, it's part of a pattern that NASA has been doing for decades now, going to all of its Mars orbiters and the International Space Station. And what would happen typically is that many of these cameras were often oriented and would provide a live feed. And then anomalies would be seen on Mars or in space around the International Space Station. And so NASA decided that what it would do is that it would kind of like pretty much prevent or stop the live feeds and would go to a kind of delayed release of images where there, photo image experts would process the images.

But what we know from whistleblowers, and here we go back to 2001 with Donna Hare and Carl Wolf, who were two whistleblowers that appeared in the Disclosure Project Press conference, is that what NASA would do is that it would scrub images that contain any evidence of extraterrestrial life. So this is what was really happening with these delays. So NASA would go from live feeds or would cut a life feed and then it would delay the release of images and that would give time for its photo image experts

to remove anything in there that was suggestive of extraterrestrial life. And I think what we're having now with the Mars orbitors with 3-I Atlas passing, it's perihelian with Mars. It's about 30 million kilometers away from Mars. So that's the closest point it gets to Mars. Some of the Mars orbiters, two of them are NASA orbiters, two are European Space Agency,

another one is Chinese and another one is the United Arab Emirates. So they could take images of the 3-Ey Atlas, but so far, as you already said, said, what was released on October 3rd was this very low resolution image from the nav cam of the Mars Perseverance Rover, which is really just a camera oriented for the Mars rover to be able to navigate the Mars surface. So you would see the kind of horizon and you would see stars or objects in the background. So that's what that fuzzy image from the Mars. Perseverance Rover showed.

And so that was a live feed. And that was processed by amateur astronomers. So, I mean, it does show that amateur astronomers can process and release live feeds from NASA. But when it comes to the Mars orbiters, there is no live feed of what is happening in deep space. I mean, we really have to rely on NASA and the European Space Agency to point their cameras towards any object and then release it. But just today, the European Space Agency did release something. I want to pause for a second because, you know, I've thought a lot about this. Like, why would NASA and why would our government or other governments hide, you know, high definition images of 3i Atlas?

I mean, obviously, if they are, and what the official story is on mainstream media says, well, the reason why they're not releasing the HD images is simply because the government shutdown. But they released, we definitely have feeds and we have, you know, I guess what you can call the fuzzy pictures. Yeah, fuzzy pictures. What they have is like just this bright, elongated light. What we understand is that it was somehow released from NASA even during some type of government shutdown. Now, you also have to understand that NASA does have a communications department to where communications will be the people to release any photo imagery of anything that is captured on any of these orbital, you know, modules, for example. The problem with that is, though, is that the orbital modules have always, they used to at one point in time have live feeds that you could go and check stuff out, including the Mars rover. You no longer have that anymore because the more that people started to study the imagery around.

what we're actually being seen on a live feed, the more people started seeing a lot of weird stuff. So such as, you know, what look like structures or structures that were once there. So square type looking buildings that had, you know, you know, had sand or dirt over it.

Yeah. That's what I was going to say. It looks like they are almost buried by sand. Yeah. And the weird thing about it is like if these objects, like for example, on Mars were thousands and thousands of years old, likely we would not have even seen any structure on the surface of Mars,

but we know that we have had imagery that shows what seems to be very defined square-like structures. We even see some almost pyramid-looking type structures on Mars. We've also seen credible evidence and imagery on the moon of some type of structure on the moon. But what they did was once people started to kind of find this stuff, they then cut the live feeds or they at the very least they would circumvent the live feeds up to an hour or two to where anything that was in that live feed they would just scrub they would scrub that part

they would be monitoring for any abnormal shapes i'd read something about this about a month ago and so not only have we seen the structures and the squares on mars we've also saw like what almost looks like caves with doorways we've seen very similar things like to i don't know if you remember when people were finding these called monoliths that were out in the desert of Arizona and stuff like this. Out of nowhere and they just show up

and then they disappear. Well, they would show up and then someone would go and take them down and there was one image of someone that says, I don't know, like it's not like someone just came and set a mirror type thing down. This thing was like infused into the rock.

And so it would show up and then someone would come along, National Park Service, whoever, probably the Smithsonian, they would come along and destroy this. They would have to rip it out of the ground, keep in mind, and cut through to somehow get it out. You also have seen images like this on Mars. Well, and if you think about when you watch National Geographic, for example, you know,

they try to explain some of the phenomenon, even on Earth, from space, like these things that look like they're made by something, not just like nature. You know what I'm saying? You know, and they go into all these elaborate. reasonings why it should be nature or not nature. And there's some like weird looking stuff even on Earth. If you look at it from satellites that you're like, there's no way Earth created this. This is something that something else created.

Well, you have to understand though, too, Sherry. It's like we we have been lied to for a very long time. And we still are being lied to on a regular basis. I mean, you think about, you know, all of these, I guess you can say geologists or archaeologist. or whoever Graham Hancock, all of these people that have been studying our potential ancient civilizations that are now buried underneath, you know,

sometimes hundreds of feet of dirt or maybe lava or whatever the case is. We for sure somehow at some point in time had other civilizations on Earth that seemed to be intelligent. And, you know, and I think our government and NASA and all that they've always wanted to hide the possibility of advanced life forms outside of earth. And I go back to this. I am a Bible believer. I do believe in the Bible for sure. I believe in God. I believe in Jesus and all that. And I, but I also don't necessarily know if the Bible 100% explains everything about what could

be outside of earth. And like our Bible is written by mostly man. It was written by disciples. And it was written by the people that witnessed Jesus that walked as man as a son or the physical representation of God. And so when we look at God, well, okay, well, have we seen God walk on earth? Well, besides Jesus, no, we don't know, we don't 100% know who God is. But what we do know is that God controls the heavens and the earth. He is the one that created all. And so the Bible talks about in our Bible on this earth, it talks about Jesus came down as

the son of man, as the God in physical representation form. and I don't necessarily think that in the Bible it talks about that you guys are the only thing that was ever created on this planet because we are getting the story of the Bible through Jesus, his disciples, the Old Testament, even all the books we have found. But do we know that like God and even our God is not the God of other civilizations and life forms in the, you know, billions of light years in diameter universe and probably just, I mean, I think it's never ending. Yeah. And if you think about natural wonders on earth, for example, and maybe other gods or other civilizations, like nothing that, something that's never made sense to me is crop circles. Like, you think about somebody that, you know, mose hay or, you know, as a farmer or whatever, there's no way somebody can make a perfect crop circle on earth, like down there. If you had like, you know, corn growing and they have these perfect things that you can see, like, how does that happen? Yeah, now one thing most people don't realize about crop circles is they always have these very weird almost like Egyptian type symbolism. You know, you can find a lot of what crop circles and crop circles has been happening for a very long time.

But even some of the imagery, if you look at some of the old school crop, the crop circles, and then you kind of compare some of that to like old Egyptian stuff that you would find in either the temples or cave drawings. There's a lot of similarities of some of this stuff. So that's also very interesting. But it's not to say, I, you know, I believe that there are no other gods before me is what God declares. And I believe there is only one God. I believe that Jesus was sent down the earth as the human, human form of God to tell people about, hey, here's the way the world works or the universe kind of works.

In specific, here's what you have to do to be God believers. Here's how you need to be righteous. Here's what I command of you to do to your fellow man. and this is Jesus. Now, was there other Jesus is? Or was there other whatever on other planets? I don't know. That's getting really deep.

Well, and just even getting deep thinking about the universe because the universe is vast. It's ever going forever. It's never ending. It's never ending. At least we know. Never beginning, never ending. Like there is no beginning, no ending. You know, could there be other gods in the universe that are controlling other parts of the universe?

I don't think so. No, because I don't think so only because, you know, know, the Bible specifically says that there are no other gods before me. I don't think there are, and I think there is one God. I think that he sends down his physical representations of those, of him, that tries to just kind of tell us, hey, here's, here's the way of the world. But, you can't say that there's not another Earth somewhere else in the universe that is exactly like ours.

I'm not saying that. And would that be the same God that's controlling that planet? I think so, yes. Would it be Jesus that goes down to that planet? I don't know. Or would it be another representation? Jesus is more of like an earthly God and not a universal God. And God to me is like the universal God.

But you know, that gets into religion. And I don't know. I don't know. But we're going to get into a little bit of the angels and demons conversation in just a minute. But let's listen to some more of what he has to say here. What do you think? I mean, people obviously speculate. about this thing for quite a while now.

It has been doing some very uncharacteristic things of a normal comet. So why are people so fascinated by this object particularly? And do you think that it's anything nefarious, anything unexplainable, or just simply an interstellar object that's behaving differently than perhaps a normal, you know, a normal object would? Maybe there's some sort of a pattern with it. I don't know. But what do you make of this?

Someone in the chat, Eddie Schwab in our chat says, This thing looks like the doomsday machine from Star Trek. Yes, from the 1960s episode called the Doomsday Machine. It looks exactly like that, kind of like this long, cylindrical-looking object. Well, from the get-go, when it was discovered back in July of this year by the Atlas Telescope System, what it showed was that this was on a path that was within five degrees of the ecliptic, which is very unusual, and that it would pass close by several major planets. And some astronomers did statistical studies and found that this was very highly unusual

and suggestive of some kind of intelligent navigation that was behind this to kind of follow that passage. The lack of a tail is really the most kind of like startling aspect of 3-Ey Atlas. that this is no comet. And this is something that you can see in the very latest, the most recent image that just came out today from the European Space Agency that shows, and I think I sent you a gift file of 3i Atlas from the Ex-O-Mars, European Space Agency orbiter,

that shows a kind of dot. but what's interesting is that there's no tail and that's very important because if this was a comet right now as 3A Atlas is approaching the sun you would see a tail behind it as it's approaching the sun

but there's no tail so that's suggestive of something other than a comet that has traveled from some interstellar region to here and so this is where we get into the a lot of speculation. I mean, many different sources are saying that this is an extraterrestrial spacecraft that is here to really kind of like raise the frequencies of the planet or of the solar system. And some say it's associated with white hats that want to kind of like break the disclosure secrecy. So, you know, there's a lot of speculation about it. But still, the fact is that

right now, it's very close to Mars, relatively speaking, in astronomical terms, and that the images that are being released. I mean, NASA hasn't released anything yet due to the government's shutdown. And that's another factor that people are pointing to that this is more than coincidental, that just as 3-Ey Atlas approaches Mars gets to its perihelion, NASA goes into to shut down mode? Is that accident? Is that coincidental? And people are also speculating about the generals being summoned to the Pentagon.

I mean, were they really there just to be lectured to in terms of how the woke agenda is no longer suitable in the Pentagon or the Department of War? Or were they being secretly given operational briefings talking about, a planetary crisis if it becomes clear that 3-I Atlas is a spacecraft and he's carrying extraterrestrials who are associated not just with Mars in the in its ancient past but also with Earth in terms of underwater colonies and that's something that would be of great concern to Pentagon Generals. Yes.

And what he's talking about there, obviously, Pete Hegseth had this thing that Fox News all the sudden decided to cover where Pete Hegseth came out. He had all the generals there. And this was already said to have been taken place probably about a week prior to when the actual event happened, where all the generals showed up. P. Hegseth was there along with others. And so it got on X.

It got on social media. There were people that were, what I believe. of, I think, whistleblowing this to some degree saying, why are all the generals showing up? And why are they all summons to Washington for whatever? Yeah, just to say we're not going to have fat army people anymore or woke people or this or that. Like, that was the whole summons. Yeah. I mean, they were trying to say like, well, you know, we got to get the woke people out of our military.

We can't do it this way anymore. And, you know, even if you are a general and you're overweight or whatever, you should still have to pass the physical fitness test. But most people don't necessarily believe that's the narrative. and story. And even when we heard this a week prior to it actually happening, there was no official report from the White House or the Trump administration that said that they were going to do this. There was only people that were coming out saying, hey, for some reason, they are summoning, summoning all generals and high up officials in our military and government to Washington, D.C. And this was a week prior. And then it was about a day before you started hearing Fox News saying,

Oh, yeah. So we're going to maybe have some type of conference tomorrow with the generals. They had like a 30 minute segment on it where Pete Heckset came under. So, hey, we're not going to have fat people anymore in our military and all this stuff. It was almost like a show. And these generals are even like, if you looked at them, we're like, what the hell is this? You know, but were they really there for a bigger reason? That's the question.

And we don't know. Now, if this thing is like three eye, three eye Atlas, if it was intelligently controlled, would that be something that our government and our military would want to know. obviously. I mean, you know, this is one of the closest. Yeah,

it's, and biggest. It came past Mars, which is right next to Earth. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty darn close. Not right next to Earth,

but yeah, it's close enough. Well, you know what I'm saying. And it's actually going to pass pretty close to Earth very soon. And I, and I think maybe.

December. Yeah, I think November, December, I believe. And so as, as the, as the Atlas,

atus gets on its trajectory, this thing's going to pass right by. but this kind of leads me to the question like what are they hiding and and why are they hiding it right i mean and you know it could just be nothing it could absolutely be a comment there's no question about that but it did give me the idea to talk about the angels and demons conversation and in specific like when we talk about UFOs and aliens and reverse engineered technology and just the whole conversation we've had about UFOs over the past at least seven years on this show i think our literal first episodes were about area 51 this is when we're a brand new podcast and no idea exactly what the

we're doing but our first thing was like we're going to do we can do area 51 and so we did and we have been very interested in this subject for the entirety of this podcast and we went back and forth on this subject i mean mostly i believe that ufos exist i don't necessarily know what they are the more i have studied the more i've thought about it the more i've researched it outside of just Jeremy Corbell telling me this or Ashton Forbes saying this or whoever. I've thought a lot about it, including people like Tucker Carlson and others that say, you know,

I believe that there are documents, there are people inside of the Pentagon that have said that they believe this possibly is a spiritual type connection, angels and demons type thing. Yeah. Yeah, he even said that this stuff is so scary he wouldn't even want to tell his wife about it. Well, and the same.

stuff that he knows. And the same thing goes for some of the whistleblowers, right? But this is not the official story and narrative that the government wants. They don't want that out there, right? They don't want people to think that this is the angels and demons type thing. This is a God or biblical type story. They at the very least want people to believe, look, guys, what you're seeing in the air, even though we're not going to admit it, what you're seeing in the air is all advanced technology.

It's all our stuff. Or maybe it's an adversary. Maybe it's China. Maybe it's whoever. but the reality is that we've seen objects like this we've had reports of this we've had writings and biblical text for thousands of years and not only just that i mean the ancient egyptians the the the people that have the samarians they uh not samarians the um oh my gosh why am i forgetting the people in mexico i am drawn a blank the mayans the yeah all of these people have had

this some type of direct relationship connection or or sightings or or writings about the very similar craft that we see today. And so what is all that? Because it can't be reverse engineered technology thousands of years ago. I mean, unless it's interdimensional or if it's our past or future coming to us in the present. Yeah. Right.

But, you know, what's more likely is it, you know, is it that past or future thing, a future self of ours that is more advanced that we can go back in the past? although if you listen to a lot of astrophysicist or people who really know a lot about that, it's a lot harder to travel back in the past and is the future. We've talked to Ashton about that as well. But Tuba Cobra actually has this amazing clip or it's actually a short documentary.

We're not going to play the whole thing in its entirety. I do encourage you guys to go and watch the entire 30-minute documentary on Tupacabra's X, I guess, feed you can say. Tupacabra is T-U-P-A-B-R-A. He actually just released a video called The Narrative Wars. And it is an AI video. He's done a great job at that. But he had Candace Owens, Ashton Forbes, Ian Carroll.

Oh, and Ashton retweeted it, by the way. Yeah, of course it did. So he has all those people in this and it's pretty hilarious. But Tubacobra also does a great job at kind of presenting a lot of stuff together and putting it all together for you to be able to try to understand like with this whole thing about angels and demons and three eye out. and UFOs and reverse engineering technology and all of this. What does all this really mean? We're going to break down a little bit of this. And then we're going to get into what the Bible actually says about angels and demons

and how they may be coming to us now, even in 2025. Listen. A lot of people over the last few months have think that aliens are angels. The angels and demons that the Bible are real. They are the extraterrestrial time travelers. And the government has known that for a long time, possibly going back to the 1930s at least. Since 1930, they have no. that this plane exists.

We don't have souls, but it's just the other way around. The soul has us. But why won't they tell the American people? You have spiritual beings that don't understand or really care for the physical world. A dreadful looking plane in the sky, a half a mile by a half a mile. Built like the universe itself,

it's circular and it holds with a whole. And it holds within it 1,500 little wheel-like planes. Whether you're following UFO news daily, weekly, monthly, or not at all, you're still seeing it a lot. It's coming up more than ever before and from places you'd never expect. And as the noise increases, so have the theories about what UFOs actually are. And people are falling within one of two main camps right now. Aliens or angels. So is there evidence of angels and aliens being one of the same?

Are these things physical beings with a body and a species and possibly a home planet? Or as some of the leading minds in the UFO inner circles are proposing, these things are actually angels and demons, spiritual beings, without bodies. So how could a seemingly obvious sci-fi plot have to compete with a religious concept like this? I mean, with few exceptions in PR moments, the theologians have always avoided the E.T. topic. Or at least, that's what most of us thought. Angels and devils. And that's like when you're hearing about, like, all those stories in the Bible, about fallen angels and devils.

Like, these people think that they were referring to aliens. One of the most mainstream figures who's joined the debate is Tucker Carlson. Tucker isn't someone you'd call. a true believer of the official UFO narrative. In fact, he's poked holes in it several times. But the interesting thing about Carlson to me is that he's a very well-informed person who talks to a lot of different people and has come to some very interesting conclusions based on those conversations and his own worldview.

You had mentioned several times that you think that the UFO, UAP type phenomena stuff is all spiritual. I think so. And I don't know. I mean, look, I should just state about. about every topic, like, I don't know shit. Nobody knows shit. I'm satisfied that I know enough

and I don't really want to know that much more because what I think I know is, you know, this doesn't help me at all to know that. So that's a conclusion I've reached. I'm usually pretty curious. I've stopped being curious about this because I don't want to know anymore. But you truly don't want to know anymore about it.

I think I know. I think I know what's up. Can you articulate it? Well, I think it's a, you know, I think it's a really old story. You know, I think it's a really old story, so that's what I think. What is it? One thing that you notice about all, every world religion I'm familiar with, I'm interested in that topic, there are commonalities between religions.

You know, Jesus is unique, and I believe in Jesus. But there are commonalities that are very striking between all world religions I'm aware of and all creation myths. And one of them, and this is, of course, true for Christianity, very true, is that the belief. that supernatural beings take physical form. They all believe that. The Greek myths, Jesus, most famously, but that they take physical form, that they're not just like some ethereal, they're not just shadows floating around, specters, fog, that they're physical. Like, they're as real as the arm of your chair.

And that they reproduce with people. Again, Christianity believes that. believes that. Jesus. Immaculate conception. Spirit reproduces with human woman. If every culture in the world that we know about who's left any kind of written or physical record is reaching the same conclusions about something, maybe there's something there. And maybe it's not so crazy to think that what everyone else has always thought since the beginning of time, which is there is this combination in cases of, you know, human beings and the spiritual realm, whatever that is. I can speak about it with no precision at all because I don't understand the specifics of it,

but I know that it has been written about since people have been writing. And so what he's talking about here obviously is, you know, that spirits can inhabit human form. Obviously, Jesus is a great example of this. But even if you think about possessions, right? possessions by demon entities. And you know, you think back to the Catholic Church where they have performed many exorcisms, Jesus himself actually was one of the very original, I guess you can say staples of exorcisms. Jesus himself performed many exorcisms of demons from man. So when the Catholic Church, and you hear priests and you hear other accounts of this that have said

that a demon has taken over a soul and we had to go in and we had to figure out a way to get this soul or to get this demon out of this person, you know, there, there are so many accounts in the Bible that talk about this specifically, about what Jesus did. And Jesus was also able to, you know, and throughout the Bible, there were other people in the Bible that were people that were going to Rome, that would say, you know, Peter, for example, and many others that some of these people were able to do exorcisms and some of these people were not. It was a very, You had to be like on the top of your game, I guess you can say, as far as your faith and your belief to be able to do this. Because if you didn't, and you had a wound, as they call it, you had a wound.

You had an opening for that demon to inhabit you, especially if you're going after. You're going to try to save the soul, save this person from this demon, from this entity. Then you had to be completely locked up, especially faith-wise and what you truly believe. Because if you didn't, that thing could then leave that body. that you were trying to rid this person of and it could go into you. It could flow into you. So yes, spiritual forms throughout history and especially in biblical times has inhabited bodies and even Jesus himself.

That's what I was getting ready to say because Jesus himself, if he really was made by immaculate conception, then is he half alien, half human? Is he half spiritual, half alien, half human? like what is Jesus if he is not made by two humans you know having sex or whatever and making a baby then what is Jesus well I mean he well he's like I said he's a physical representation of God and God I believe I mean if you want to think about like what an extraterrestrial is you know he's not human God is not human right he created humans but he's not himself human he is a spiritual divine being, right?

And he is what many, if you were to meet God, to say that you went to Mars on some spaceflight mission and you go there and God's there. Like, are you going to say that he's human? No, because he's going to be the most powerful force in all of the universe. He is. But the way I imagine God, I don't imagine God as a human form. I imagine him as like this light.

Yeah. Is what I imagine. I don't know about you. I feel like. like that God is an energy. Yeah, it's like an energy. Exactly. God is an energy. He's not a form. And, you know, also when they're talking about forms, they don't just take over human bodies. They take other forms in our natural world. Yeah. You know, like orbs, for example. I think this is not a human form. It is a supernatural form. It is, but it is a different form. But it is an energy that is here that we can see physically. Yeah, see physically. In the Bible, in specific, it talks about, you know, towards the end times and towards when you know when the time is near that I shall return and I rapture my people. And, you know, for those of you have read the Bible and throughout revelations and many other places, it talks about that you will see signs from the heavens. I remember even when I was, you know, when I was 11 and 12 years old. And so what does signs from the heavens mean? Well, we have to think about what does heavens even mean? Like, what does the Bible ever actually explain what heavens are? Now, we know about heaven and we know about heaven. heavens. But heavens in the Bible, it says God created the heavens, which basically means everything outside of earth, in the earth. Like the space. Yes, space. So he said, God created the heavens

and the earth. And then he made man and then he made one. And so it was kind of just this process of making all the things for earth. But we do know at the very least that we will see signs from the heavens. And that's literally what it says in the Bible. And the Bible already explains what the heavens means. It doesn't mean you're going to see signs from heaven. Right. Like where you're, when you die, you're going to go to necessarily. But do you think heaven is in the heavens? I do. And I do also think like if you read the Bible and kind of get into some of this stuff, like I think there are multiple heavens. Just like the Bible also kind of explains there are multiple hells, not just necessarily one, you know, and there are hells

for different factions of people. And so that's also was a very interesting concept. And then, you know, when you think about like Catholic religion, for example, like purgatory, like in between the two. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, and that's where Catholic religion kind of gets that from because there are multiple levels of hell. And the Bible even talks about that. But there's also multiple, I think, potentially heavens. And I don't think it's necessarily just one. But, you know, as I say, the more that we start to see, especially in this day and age of signs from the heavens, whether it be the UFOs, the orbs, the UAPs.

But what do you mean heavens more, you think there's more than one heavens? No, no, I'm saying I think there's more than one heaven, right? So places that you can go if you die, that there's a heaven, but I think there's multiple of those. And, and, you know, it talks about that in the Bible. It kind of talks about that as far as, like I said, hell as well. But what I'm saying is that the signs from the heavens, specifically it talks about in the end times where it says you will see signs from the heavens. Well, that means like the sky, the space, the, the space. the things that we see outside of Earth.

And we're seeing that, right? We're seeing it with three-eye Atlas. We're seeing it with a mua-mua. We're seeing it with things like these objects that we can't necessarily explain. It doesn't take on the same characteristics of what you would typically see with a comet. I'm not saying that that thing is sent by God, but I am saying that even beyond the three-eye Atlas, let's just talk about, for example, signs from the heavens. Could those signs also be structures that we might be able to now see on Mars?

could it also be the UAPs and UFOs that we're seeing? Could it be even when SpaceX goes into space? And we see these darting orbs or whatever it is on cameras that are darting by. And, you know, they can't ever really explain what those things are either. But what I'm saying is I think that the Bible continuously gives us a path and a and kind of like a playbook of like, hey, guys, I know that it's 2025, but I'm already telling you what you're going to see. don't be surprised by seeing this. Don't be surprised by seeing UFOs, UAPs, these things in the sky that are moving beyond belief,

beyond what humans we believe can do. And not just fast, but the way they maneuver and turn and do crazy stunts. And I still go back to this. You know, the even MH370 topic, you know, and all of that. I don't necessarily believe that the United States or any planet, or not any planet, any country on this earth right now,

has technology to be able to go from point A to point B in zero, like, you know, one second or or. So you don't think the government zapped the plane. You think that was more. I do not think. Or dimensional or something else beside governments. If it's real, right, we got to we got to start there. And then number two, no, I don't think the government zapped the plane. But that, but that's just me.

And by the way, I've always challenged action on this. It's not like I've said, oh, yeah, I for sure. believe everything you're saying. I've always challenged action on that because I would always say, well, look, I know you're saying that's just this reverse engineered technology and Edward Lynn and all these things. But do you do think we have reversed technology though? I think we do. Yeah, I mean, I think we do. But also, I think that if we had technology like you, you see around MS-370, where you have these orbs that are circling this aircraft, where it can zap something out of the sky. No, I'm saying if we have it, though, we would control the world.

like there would be no adversaries there would be no there would be no talks with russia unless other countries have that technology as well maybe but and maybe they do right i mean even going back to the food fighters uh incident in in world war two where you had these orbs showing up alongside fighter pilots fighter pilots back then in world war two and some people believe they were germans that had this incredibly fast technology i don't believe so either but germans for whatever reason did have some type of connections. Advanced technology, yeah, for sure. So they had something.

Okay, let me ask you a quick question before we go further. I'm just thinking about Barney and Betty, the two people that were abducted and they said it was an alien craft and they were abducted and taken to this craft and scientific experiments were done on them. What would you consider that as far as explaining what it is? in relation to the Bible? Well, I mean, in relation to the Bible, I don't think it would be angelic beings that did that.

I think it would be the evil, the evil realm. What if it was evil beings? What if it was, yeah, exactly what I'm saying. Like spiritual beings. Most, like, if you think about like most people's abduction stories, they're not good. No, they're all terrifying. Yeah, they're terrifying.

They have lifelong mental injuries from these things. they have even in some cases physical injuries, even the soldiers that have been in close contact with some of these orbs where they have had mass brain trauma, they or have died. I mean, we've also had soldiers that have encountered UAPs or UFOs that have died. Right.

Because of the radiation. Radiation or whatever. And a lot of people think, well, radiation, that means it's advanced technology. No, it doesn't because you have to understand that even if you are a outside force that is coming from, say, another dimension, and you are interacting with,

our gravity and all this stuff, that will likely create radiation. It doesn't matter how you look at it. And especially if it's like the friction that causes the radiation, I think. Yes. But especially as we're even talking about like Jesus coming in physical form and he was a spiritual being. And he obviously was because he was the physical representation of God. What I'm saying is that as Jesus is a spiritual being or any like when we're talking about,

you know, demon possession or any of this stuff. we also have to think about like the UFOs or the things we see in the sky as a physical manifestation of a of a spiritual being right so it may be represented as a craft as a as a device that can maneuver and kind of intertwine realities or intertwined dimensions and then it just so happens that comes across as a craft you know very similar i go back to the watchers i go back to all of that stuff as they as they descended um Mount Herman. And then as they kind of came down, you know, we don't 100% fully know the exact story of the watchers and exactly how it happened. But what if it was UFOs? What if it was like craft that they descended on or with and they came down? They then had sex with human women that then created Nephilim.

That then was the main reason of why the whole demonic realm still exists today. That's all I'm saying. I think there is definitely a connection with the spiritual and physical realm. And I think that they manifest themselves in this physical realm through whether it is people or whether it is ideologies or physical actual structures or craft. Right. I think that's all very possible. And just my thoughts real quick. To me, like when I think about the watchers, I think about a spiritual like realm almost like comparison to God, but not as great as God.

Like, God created them. but they're more of an energy-like type thing, right? Well, they were fallen angels. Yeah. But when they, if they had sex with women on Earth, they would have to take some kind of physical form, I would think. The Nephilim came from the Watchers having sex with human women. Yes. That was the babies.

That was the physical form. But they were half spirit and half human. Yeah, but I'm saying the Watchers were all spirit. So how did they have sex with women on earth if they did not take a physical form? form well they did take a physical form though no no okay so i understand what you're saying but no the watchers did come down as physical form but they were all supernatural essentially and then they then created actual human half human half human half spiritual beings supernatural beings as they call them and that's why a lot of people you know if you go back to some of the Greek mythology and all these kings and rulers and all

these great glorious huge people they many people believe descended from the nuffalo You know, these were seven, eight foot tall rulers. Many of them were handsome, you know, handsome huge guys, huge muscles, depending on where they were at, whether, you know, if they were Nordic, they were blonde hair, whiter, but they were still huge. You know, same kind of thing kind of goes throughout that storyline. I think Goliath was a Nephlem. Yeah, probably.

I mean, he was the offshoot of that as well as so many others that are, you know, very well known, you know, rulers of our time, especially in Greek mythology. And they call it mythology, but, you know, the reality is like even if you go back to the book of Enoch, it kind of goes down that lineage of how Greek mythology even was ever came about, right? So it is somewhat biblical nature how Greek mythology and some of the rulers that you once probably heard about in high school maybe actually happened. So anyways, I want to get in this next part of clip, which is Dr. Gary Nolan. And Dr. Gary Nolan has been a huge name in the space of UFOs, UAPs.

Let's listen to what he says in this documentary. One of the few people we know Tucker has actually spoken to about UFOs is Dr. Gary Nolan. Nolan is part of the Invisible College, a Rosicrucian offshoot of academia that has been investigating the UFO phenomenon for decades. But we'll get into that later. In 2023, Tucker had Nolan on his show where they discussed the topic. in detail. Here Gary explains what he believes UFOs and aliens are. I mean, look, if you're an intelligence, are you going to go down on a planet with a bunch of

angry monkeys who might kill you? No, unlikely. You'll send some intermediary. Well, what kind of intermediary you're going to send? You're going to send something that maybe almost looks like them, but isn't them. So I think, and this is, again, from inside the intelligence community, Most of what we think we're seeing are avatars, biological robots, that are basically put there to be the minions, if you will. And that's the current view of the intel community. That is a, it is a hypothesis. What could possibly be controlling these biological machines that were built specifically to interact with us? To answer this question, I only had to look at other interviews Gary Nolan has done, like this one from 2022 on the Lex Friedman podcast.

Again, the language Gary uses is very important here. How would you as a higher intelligence represent yourself to a lesser intelligence? Well, let's go back to pre-civilization. Maybe you show yourself as the spirits in the forest and you give messages through that. once you get a little bit more civilized, then you show yourself as the gods. And then you're God. Well, we don't believe in God anymore necessarily. Not everybody does.

So what do we believe in? We believe in technology. So you show yourself as a form of technology. Right? But the common thread is you're not alone. And there's something else here with you. And there's something that's, as you said, watching you. And at least watching over your shoulder.

But I think that like any good parent, You don't tell your student everything. You make them learn. And learning requires mistakes because if you tell them everything, then they get lazy. Keep in mind, this is one of the leading academics on the UFO topic in the world. Yet he's explaining the UFO phenomenon using terminology that is interchangeable with how someone would describe a guardian angel. The picture becomes even more complete with this clip from the 2023, Salt Conference.

What do you, Gary, Dr. Nolan, you have to speculate. What do you think it is? Let's be both. I think it is an advanced form of intelligence, something that we don't understand, that is using some kind of intermediaries. You know, it's not that they walk amongst us

that, you know, you, wearing a skin suit are actually the alien, right? No, you're going to basically put something there that is, I think of it as an intelligence test. Can you see what's in front of you for what it really is? Can you see the anomalous data point that is there that you realize what it is? I mean, when the South American Native tribes first saw the Spanish ships coming across the horizon, they didn't realize what it was. They couldn't see it for what it was. So you just need to show yourself to enough to

acculturate. Now, if you've been around for a long time, And this is something that I do think has been on. They've been around for a long time. They are affecting our culture, right? It's actually often thought that many of the religions that we think of as the most important have been part of this process. Dr. Jacques Valet, International Authority on the UFO experience. The first thing I'd like to dispel is a frequent misconception that UFOs are limited to this country. Very often people ask me, how come I never hear about UFOs in our country?

other parts of the world. How can we only hear about UFOs in America? Well, UFOs are not an American phenomenon. They are a worldwide phenomenon. That's one of their most dramatic characteristics. The first major wave of sightings, and sightings tend to come in very intense series over a couple of months over a given region of the world. The first such major wave occurred over Scandinavia in 1946. famous Uphologists in the world living today is Dr. Jacques Valet. Valet has been involved in Ufology longer than I've been alive. In fact, he was featured as a character in the Stephen Spielberg film, Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

And he wasn't the only one featured. Although an actor played Jacques Valet in the film because of scheduling conflicts, his friend and fellow Rosicrucian, J. Allen Heineck, was featured in the film as a cameo. Dr. J. Allen Hinex's origin with UFOs goes all the way back to 1952, whereas an astronomer he served as the scientific advisor for Project Blue Book, a study of UFOs conducted by the U.S. Air Force from 1952 to 1969. Jacques Valet is just one of these people, right, that you come across his work and he's fascinating. So I thought it was strange that not only was he a person who was, you know,

pre-engineered ARPANET, right? He was on ARPANET, which is pre-Internet. He was creating that at the same time as being obsessed with UFOs and being a euphologist. Another thing that was really fascinating about your book was you were talking about how much religion he studied. Yes, yes. That was really interesting. So in the book, what I do is I uncover, not just him, but Alan Hineck, they were friends. and they were both Rosicrucians, which is a form of, he might not like me to say this,

but it's a form of mystical Christianity in a sense, but a lot of Rosicrucians don't view their roots as Christian. They look at it as Egyptian, and both of them believe in this kind of life, this meditating and things like that. And so I included references. Everything I say in my books, by the way, I pass to the person that I'm writing a chapter about. So everything that I said about Jacques, I gave it to him beforehand, and I said, are you okay with me saying this publicly? And so it passed all the tests. And I also talk about going to his

apartment and seeing his library, which is an amazing library. And he has stained glass from Scharch Cathedral. And Scharch Cathedral is a special place for Rosicrucians, like a special place of presence of the sacred. And he actually did those himself. So he learned how to do stained glass from people at Sharsrow, by the way. And, yeah, just amazing. And he had a lot of books on angels and fallen angels in that library. Like, it was almost like going into the Vatican Archive going into this place

because these looked like first editions or close. So, you know, really, really old books about this topic. Fallen Angel. Yeah. I was pretty shocked when I went. We were going to have lunch and talk about the crash site and maybe talk about what I learned from Tyler and that kind of thing. And we went to lunch and then he said, do you want to see the library? And I was like, yes, of course.

So I saw the handwritten documents from Project Blue Book. And that was just going into the library. That wasn't actually in the library. Then when we got in there, I noticed big bookcases of these books. And of course, I was drawn to them. And he said, he picked out one and he opened it and it was about angels. And he said, this is a book about angels. And I could see that.

And I was looking at. Wow. And then I looked at the other bookshelf and that bookshelf was just as impressive. And then it was about fallen angels. He said, oh, this one's about fallen angels. And then he made a joke. And he said, you can't have one without the other. All right.

So there you go. And I do encourage everybody to go to Tupacabra's X and go and check out the entire document. I think he does a great job on all of his videos. We've actually had him on the podcast at least once, I think, for sure. And he, even with like the serious stuff that we're talking about right now, he has some really funny stuff as well. And I do encourage you guys to go check it out. Tube is a good dude. But yeah, so he's talking about Jack Valet here.

And, you know, Zach Ballet, he has this huge library. And, you know, he even knows that there is a study to religion that is the, you know, the, I believe, key to the missing lock, right? Or the key to the lock that we don't quite fully understand. And I think if we can understand this, then we'll kind of get some context into what we are seeing and experiencing today, especially with, you know, all of the information we have available is it's not just UFOs from Zeta reticula,

right? It's not just some, you know, extraterrestrial life form. and I think even with the scientists that are out there like Jock Vilae and like so many others, they are starting to connect it to the spiritual realm to what the Bible has talked about for thousands of years. Well, when I think about Rosa Christians, I think about the Vatican. I think about Mary, Virgin Mary. I think about all those things when they bring that up. And when you think about the Vatican and like all the missing files underneath the Vatican,

and all the conspiracy around just the Vatican alone, it starts to make you kind of connect the dots, I guess. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's a lot of, you know, the Vatican lost archives, right? They hold a lot of, I believe, truth that they want to hide from mainstream public. You know, this is something that many people, and we've talked about it on many episodes, but there is definitely a connection here, guys, with what we're talking about, the UFO phenomenon, the UAP phenomenon, the extraterrestrials.

But does it mean that it's just, it's like a, does it mean it's like non-Christian to talk about this? I actually don't think so. I think, you know, with the Bible believers, the people that are Christians, the people that read the Bible and understand it. And that's why also like when I first started to reread the Bible, I went back to the book of Enoch. Enoch one in, in particular because of the fallen angels, Enoch's account, kind of the whole

thing to where it really starts to explain. explain things that the Bible references many times, keep in mind, the Holy Bible, the Christian Bible references in many occasions, Enoch. And it references Enoch 1 in particular because Enoch 2 and 3 were written later. Most scholars or people do not believe those are credible necessarily. But Enoch 1 really talks about the fallen angel, the demon aspect, like how demons interact and how we interact with demons on and in this world today. But what's crazy to me, Chad, is, you know, just yesterday I went to this estate cell or whatever, and I ran into an old friend.

And it was one of the friends that used to like, well, she still is very, very Christian. You know, I had several very, very Christian colleagues at my school that almost made me feel uncomfortable with their Christianity. If that makes sense, like they made me feel uncomfortable with the way they would. preached to me and blah, blah, blah. But I was talking to her yesterday at this auction. I was like, yeah, we've been doing podcasts and we've been studying the book of Enoch and blah, blah, blah, and, you know, telling her all this stuff. She had no clue what that was.

Yeah. No clue. Yeah. I was like, what? The most Christian people I know and some of them don't even know what that is. No, and I think it's important. I mean, and there's a, you know, there's kind of this, I guess you can say, um, higher ground that Christians want to kind of, it's sometimes, or especially Baptist and kind of the

religious people, they want to stand on and they say, look, don't ever read the book of Enoch. That's Satan. That's demon, you know, whatever. That's not. It's not. I believe one Enoch is very important. I think there are other books that are very important. Now, do I say that the book, the King James version or just the Bible and whole is not the word

of God? I don't, I'm not saying that, but I do believe that we can take a lot of things from other books, especially one Enoch. But we're talking about just the Bible. just talk about this for a second. So this is a kind of a fantasy thing. I mean, everything we're talking about as far as this other realm, these UFOs, the aliens, the fallen angels, it sounds like some type of weird fantasy. But if you're a Christian, you believe in God and you believe in the Bible, this has been written about. Not only, as I said, has been written about in

Enoch 1, but how many times the Bible actually references Enoch 1, but also how many times does the Bible actually talking about the unseen forces that influence nations? Do you think unscerned? seen forces. What do you think the Bible's talking about there? Right? I mean, we we call people in today's world crazy if they believe in the paranormal. We call people crazy if they believe in aliens or or interdimensional beings. We call people crazy. We say they have 10 full hats on, but literally the people that read the Bible that believe in the Bible, we know that the Bible talks about this often. And a lot of times this unseen force influences our leaders, even the thoughts of people that are on this earth today. But anyone that kind of that follows Christ,

they're not powerless. And I guess that's what I want to talk about here. And in the scripture, he says, he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. That is one John four, four. And so the purpose and nature of angels, for example, Hebrews 114 says, are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? angels are not cute figurines. They're not something that, you know, that you have in the, in the, I guess you can say in the in your car when you're driving, you want to be protected. You have this, you have this symbol. They are very mighty being sent by God to serve and protect his people. Enoch talks about, you know, Gabriel and many of the archangels. Just like we talk about the demonic and evil forces. Psalms 91 11 through 12 says, for he shall give his angels charge over thee to keep the. in all the ways. They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

And so God has assigned angels to guard his children, not to worship them, but to show us that the heaven is actively involved in our lives. And although we are seeing the demonic force that is among us every single day, we also have that angelic force that is on God's side, is on our side to be there for us to protect us against that. And so some of the roles in scripture,

Genesis 19 1 through 13 says angels rescue lot from Sodom before its destruction. Daniel 622, my God, Hath sent his angel and Hath shut the lion's mouth. Luke 1, 26, 313 says Gabriel delivers God's message to Mary. And Acts 12, 7 through 10, an angel frees Peter from prison. And so angels act in obedience to God's word, not ours, but they respond to faith and to God's command and not human invocation. And this is what God wants these angels to do. Now, the hierarchy and the power of angels, Daniel 10, 12 through 13 says the angels tell Daniel,

he was delayed 21 days because the prince of the kingdom of Persia, withstood me, a demonic principality. And then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help. And so this kind of shows the spiritual warfare over nations. Angels and demons battle over geopolitical regions. And the battle continues, obviously, in 2025. So when we're seeing all this stuff right now, there is an active battle that is going on. And not only is it going on in our country, not only is it going on in our political divide,

not only is it going on in the people, our friendships, but it's going on throughout nations. It's going on throughout ideologies. And this is an active battle. We've never really had, at least in our lifetime, an active battle, I believe, that we have witnessed like we do today, at least from the time that we have been alive. There has been other occurrences of this, obviously, through many wars, through so much other. but now we're also starting to see physical manifestations of craft or of things in the sky, the signs from the heavens at the same time that we have this massive shift in what people believe or don't believe.

You know, the Bible also talks about in the end times and the end days that the good will become bad and the bad will become good. They want you to believe that if you believe in good, then you are bad. And if you believe in bad, then you are good. It talks about this many times. In Revelation 12, 7, 9, it says, and there was a war in heaven, Michael, and is angels fought against the dragon. And so heaven's army is organized, powerful and actively opposing Satan's kingdom, even right now as we are talking. So when we're seeing this stuff,

guys, it's not just little green men from Zeta reticula. This is a spiritual battle that is going to literally in the end, it's going to be put forth right here on earth. And I think we're starting to see some of that. Now, the demons, the fallen angels, their influence. You think about Revelation is 12, 4. And his tell drew the third part of the stars of heaven and did cast them to the earth. Those stars are symbolic of angels who followed Lucifer into rebellion. And so it describes Lucifer's pride and fall. And it quotes, and this is Isaiah 14, 12 through 15, how art thou falling from heaven, O Lucifer's son of the morning. And so demons are fallen angels. They once serve God, but now serves Satan's destructive agenda. If you go back to the book of Enoch, the entire reason was

they were fallen angels of God. And now they decided, or then they decided upon Mount Herman, over 200 strong, they decided that although we have all these powers and we have all this will, we are going to serve Satan's agenda and not God. We are going to make all a pack to say, we're about to go against God. Do you all understand what that means? And they're like, yes, we do. Let's do it.

Because we believe we're going to be the gods of earth. And this was the time, right, when they kind of put God. in court. Yeah. And they were kind of the judge and the jury. Well, yeah, I mean,

and so, yeah, a lot of kind of how you can analyze or analogize this is that, yes, the fallen angels wanted to hold God to account, you know, and they wanted to take over God's creation. They believe that they could be the God,

the God of sun, the God of the moon. This is kind of where you start hearing some of that also mythology as well, but this all comes from fallen angels. So their mission on earth, John 10, 10 says, the thief come and not, but for to steal and to kill and to destroy.

Ephesion 612 says, for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, and against the rulers of the darkness of this world. So it's not about physical and nature. It's about the spiritual realm. It's about the things that we don't always see, even though I think we're starting to see today, but that is really who we are battling against. And so our true enemy is not people. is the unseen dark powers influencing people and the systems.

And although you may look at people in Antifa, you may look at people in these riots, you may look at people that are shooting and killing and stabbing and doing all this crazy shit to innocent people. And you think, I hate this person because they are, they are just evil. I don't want to say this in what I'm saying the Bible, but they're just evil people.

And the reality is that they had a wound enough for the demonic entity to come in. And that's what they did. It was the enemy, not of people, but of the spiritual nature, of the dark powers that are influence in those people. And so one Peter 5.8 also says, be sober, be vigilant because your adversary, the devil, as a roaring lion walketh about seeking whom he may devour. So what does that mean?

Well, it means that if you're not strong in what you're trying to do, if you're, if you got your mindset somewhere else, if you're not thinking about what you need to be thinking about, if you are addicted to something, if you are fighting with your spouse, if you're fighting with your friends, if you're all wrapped up in every single thing else, except for God,

except for the Bible, except for what God tells you to do, then that's when a demon is going to use you more than he's ever going to use anybody. That is the people he gets. He gets the lost. Jesus gets the loss as well, and he wants the loss more than anything.

That's why I believe that back in the day, Jesus went to the people that were the most lost and made them disciples to go and talk to everyone about, hey, I saw the miracles. I saw who Jesus says. These were lost people. But unfortunately, the devil also uses lost people as well. And the leaders, the principalities, the people that literally the Bible says that in the end and on earth, the demonic entities and spirits are also going to influence and rule our leaders.

I mean, it literally says this. And keep in mind, when we think about like, what the hell is going on in this world? But do you not? Like what is going on with our leadership? What is going on with the United States government? But beside the leadership of our government, United States, the world, do you not think that every human being on some point is lost? I think we're all lost because we weren't lost, we would be perfect. And nobody is perfect.

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying is like people have, we have to make a decision of like, what are we going to be, I guess what are we going to do about how lost we are? Like, what is going to be our drug? And I say drug, not in the way that you think, but like what is going to be the drug that saves us? Is it going to be Satan or is it going to be God? And, you know, like the demonic activity, for example, is just it's manifesting in temptation and deception, addiction, fear.

anxiety, physical affliction, everything. And I think that to some point, everyone on this earth has some of that. Yeah, absolutely. Because we are all lost at some point. Yeah. And Christ gives authority over all of that. And the reality of that is like once you give up those things to God, to Christ, to Jesus, he has authority of all that.

You don't have to go through any of that, right? I mean, and it sounds nuts, but you don't technically have to, even in the worst of the worst situations. And so Jesus' authority over demons talking about that, Mark 1, 23 through 27 says, Jesus commands an unclean spirit to come out of a man. And this is what we're talking about as far as the exorcism that Jesus commanded the unclean spirit to come out. Luke 1017 through 19 says, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

Jesus said, behold, I give you unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy. And so this is kind of Jesus commanding some of his disciples and the people that are following him to, I give you the same commandments and power to clean the spirits of man, that they are possessed, like we talk about the Catholic religion, for example. And so the name of Jesus's supreme authority, no demon can stand when confronted in his name by a believer walking in faith and obedience. And so we go back to, you know, Sherry the time at the river, where we had those orbs that showed up and you would you know we would you would you would talk to them or whatever whatever you did i don't know what you did exactly but these things would show up they would show up on

other side of bushes and when and these are bright lights and whatever and yes absolutely the first and second time i was like okay this is this is wild and i did i think after five or six minutes because i either thought it was homeless people somehow that made them into the woods you were scared well i just said i i said i believe in jesus christ and he's my savior and uh I'm not scared to you and I, and you know, they disappeared immediately. And I know that sounds like back crazy,

but that's literally what happened. Sherry got mad at me, actually, because I said that and they disappeared. And I know you might be like, oh my God, this dude's crazy. Look,

I'm not one of those people that are, that are like that. I'm never like that as far as like, oh, yeah, we saw these orbs and these spirits. And then I commanded Jesus and they disappeared. I'm just telling you what happened

in this particular case and they did disappear. So the spirit. or war and our weapons, the awareness of this battle, 2 King 616 through 17 says, Fear not for they that be with us are more than that be with them. And Alicia prays that and God opens his servant's eyes to see the mountain full of horses and chariots of fire. So if God open our eyes right now, you'd see angels surrounding you, protecting and fighting and interceding in your life right now. So if you could see that beyond what the world tells us to see, you would see that God does

have those angels, that protection that is fighting for you if you just let them. I think that's the biggest message. Yeah. Well, and that message goes to that, too, though. What if those were angels fighting for me? I don't think so, but that's just my opinion. But it could be. I don't think so.

I think so. But I'm not going to argue that point. I mean, I'm just saying that I, I, I, maybe, maybe you're right. It could have been my guardian angels or something. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. But I just find it weird. They would disappear when I say Jesus.

Yeah, well, I don't know, but I just, I don't know. But that's my only point. So Ephesians 6, 11 through 18 says, put on the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil, the belt of truth, the blasphably of righteousness, the shoes of the gospel of peace, the shield of faith, helmet of salvation, sword of spirit, sword of spirit, of spirit. So you don't fight demons with emotion. You fight them with the word of God, faith and the authority of Jesus Christ. that is how you fight demons. Timothy 1 4-1 says, Now the spirit speaketh expressively

that in the latter times some shall depart from faith, given heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. And this talks about as the end times draw near, there's going to be more people that leave the word, that leave God, that leave the belief in Jesus and the power of God and the power of Christ.

And I think we're seeing it more now than ever. We're seeing it now that there is so many people that are atheists and don't believe in God. You know, I don't even care what religion, but they just don't even believe in God anymore. Yes. And that's where I feel like the spiritual warfare is coming to earth is because there's so many people turning their cheek. You know, they're turning away from God.

Yeah. And I don't know about you guys, but when I was growing up, everyone really, you know, at least you believed in God. Yeah. Well, and then, you know, here's a big one. to Matthew 2424 says that for there shall arise false Christ and false prophets and shall show great signs and wonders. So if it were possible that shall deceive the very elect. So meaning there are going to be figures, people, factions, nations, whoever that may arise and

deceive even the very elect, the very people that you thought that you could not deceive, the very people that have their word strong in Jesus and God, there are going to be these factions of people that arise and deceive them. And it talks about this. Revelation 1614 says, For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles which go forth unto the kings of the earth. So even global leaders can be influenced by demonic powers,

but yet God still reigns supreme. And these global leaders often will have, connection to some way to make you believe that they are who you need to go and bow down to or they are who you need to believe. They are who you need to protect. But the Bible says, even them are working for the spirits of the devil. They're working miracles. But as they go forth, they will be the kings maybe of the earth. But I am still God and I reign supreme. So keep that in mind. Well, that's very interesting because I think about Trump. When you talk about this verse, you know, that God is doing all these amazing things.

here on earth, you know, stopping wars just tomorrow, all the rest of the 48 hostages will be released, hopefully. Once he gets blown up. In Israel. But when I think about Trump, I don't think about him as the most Christian president in America. No. Nor do I ever think he was. I don't think he's the most religious.

Yes, he goes with religion and believes in religion and he says he's a Christian. But he's not the Christian that goes to church every Sunday, you know, and preaches it all. He's just, I think that he has Christian beliefs, but I'm saying that he is not this person that spiritual warfare can necessarily get over on him, I guess. No. Well, yeah, I mean, Trump may not be, you know, the best or biggest Christian. I don't think he is at all, actually. I mean, I'd never remember through Trump's lineacy, him talking about how much he believed in God and Jesus until he needed to pander to conservatives, although he used to say that he was more Democrat than Republican. And then once he decided to run conservative, then of course you've got to be all about America and God.

Because if you're not, then you know you're going to lose that base of people to vote for you, 100%. Well, I think that Trump is more like me. He believes in God. He's not so much like a man-made religion. but I think he does believe in God. Well, Jesus, I don't think Jesus is a man-made religion, but even God, to some degree, you would have to say that would be a man-made religion also because someone eventually or at some point in time came up with the concept of God.

And then so if you're saying that Jesus is man-made, then you also have to believe that God is man-made. So just keep in mind. That is interesting. But anyway, so it also talks about walk in light, Ephesians 5-11, and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Keep faith and hope, for I am persuaded that neither death nor life nor angels nor principality shall be able to separate us from the love of God. And I do believe that as well.

And so the whole message, I guess, of this is that there's obviously an unseen war raging all around us. And I do believe that the victory and our salvation and what is to come is already written. I've said the whole thing that it's already written many times before. when we talk about like, well, what's the world going to look like 10 years from now or 20 years from now or 100 years from now? And I've always said, like, no matter what, whatever we think about, whatever we worry about, whatever we get in our minds about the way the world is going, it is already written. The same angels that stood with Daniel, the same power that raised Christ from the dead and the same spirit that fills every single person that believes in God and Jesus today, they all stand on our side when we're going out every single day in this. world. The devil may roar, but he's already been defeated and he always will be.

So what I'm saying here is that, and this is something I've been thinking a lot about, but like stand firm in what you believe, speak the truth. And if you believe in Jesus and I have come to conclusion for sure that I believe in Jesus, just speak and walk in the authority of Jesus. Because when you do that, just the same way that I believe that night, by the river when these orbs and these and there was no doubt it was orbs there was not homeless people it was not car lights it was nothing these were bright lights that came from the other side of this bush i know that sounds crazy sherry was talking these things she wanted to see these or alien type whatever this thing was i didn't feel good about it i felt it in my soul i felt

it in my my my chest you could almost just kind of feel that pressure and that's when i said just so you know i believe in jesus christ you do not scare me you're not going to do anything to us we are protected by Jesus. Literally as soon as we did that, they were gone. Same thing happened twice, actually, in a row. And so even though that may be like a weird thing, it talks about, you know, just walk in the authority of Jesus. Romans 1620, this is the only thing I'll say is, and the God of peace shall bruise Satan

under your feet shortly. So no matter what you're going through, no matter what struggles you're dealing with, no matter how much anger or pain or addiction or whatever you have in your life that's going on just understand the Bible's already talked about and the God of peace shot bruise Satan under your feet shortly and every single thing I believe that we constantly and consistently go through that that that hurts us that destroys us that that sets us back that were that were sad about or depressed about or or angry about I do believe that you know that doesn't necessarily have to represent who you are and and and who you are tomorrow you know that that's the thing

I'm not perfect not even close and so when I'm talking about about this Jesus thing. Understand you're not hearing this room preacher. I am literally probably would get kicked out of some churches. I mean, but what I'm saying is that you just have to understand that there is, there is light beyond whatever you're dealing with. And I think that's important to know.

And whether, and for me as Jesus, for me, it's like the more I've studied in 40 plus years, didn't believe, grew up believing, didn't believe, and then just studied and researched. The same way I would study and research, like who's corrupted, who isn't, what's truth, what isn't. The number one thing that's led me back to is Jesus, is God, is that power. And that power is there for all of us.

It really is. The power is there for all of us. And especially when you feel helpless, especially when you feel helpless, because Jesus went to the people that were down on themselves, the people that were thieves, the tax collectors, that people that were that felt just abolished by the world, Jesus went to those people because those people not only needed him the most,

but those people also were the most likely to receive what he was about to show them. Because sometimes when our life feels too perfect or too great or too good, we often miss the struggles and miss the star in that struggle, if that makes any sense. I mean, like think about how many people that are multi-millionaires that have Lamborghinis and all these multi-million dollar houses. But don't have stuff going on in their lives. Well, they don't, but they don't. They don't.

But the weird thing about it is, is that I think that their religion for a very long time in so many cases was money. Right. It was like, how can I make the most amount of money to make me the most amount of happiness? And when they get to that maximum level of what they believe is the mountain, top of happiness where you have all the money and everything at your disposal and then you realize that you are miserable and you still feel like you have nothing. There's a reason for that because the Bible talks about that you should not, you know, instead of instead of, and this is one of my struggles. It's like, don't be selfish. Don't be, don't be this. Like it's life's not about

racking up the most amount of money you can possibly have. Life's about helping other people and making other people's life better. That's really what it's about. You should see my eyes right now. No, I'm saying. I mean, I'm just saying like that, listen, I say this. You should do what you preach, bro. No, I get it.

But listen, I have been jaded in my past. And I understand I've been jaded. Oh, sorry. I understand I've been jaded. But also the Bible says that you should, even if you're jaded, even if you've been screwed over. I mean, the Bible doesn't say that. But what I'm saying is that you can't hold other people at account for that, right? You know, I guess what I'm saying. And I have been jaded. And it's so hard to get past that sometimes. It's so hard to be like, well, you know what? I did this for someone. They

screwed me over continuously, continuously, continuously. And then eventually in the world, you're like, okay, well, I've been screwed over 28 times. And it passed however long. And now all of a sudden, this person comes along that says, oh, I'm not going to screw you over, but I need help. I don't know. Anyways, I'm not even going to go there. I'm going to end this right now because the point is, is that I'm trying to tell the reality of like the Bible of Jesus. And Jesus and the Bible is much better than I am, a billion times better than I am.

And that's why I need Jesus the most probably. You know, I have huge struggles with the way I am or my thoughts or processes 100%. So I'm never going to deny. like I you know I will never be the person that's like oh guys you need to believe in this because you guys are bad I'm like no just look at me like I'm not saying like a murderer but I'm just saying I have a lot of stuff that I want to get better I'm constantly every single day trying to figure out how to get better and and I think the more that I try to take off of myself to make myself better realizing I can't make myself better in certain avenues that's the only way

that you can go as Jesus and God and you got to you have to have faith and put everything into that belief. And I think that it's been proven time and time again throughout history that that does happen. So that's going to be it. It wasn't meant to be a sermon. But I do just want you to know that all the demons that are in front of your feet tomorrow just understand that Jesus can take all of that away if you let him. And until next time, guys, we love you. Peace out, guys. But we fall Nice again

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