Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - 9/11 Files: Israeli Spies, Buried Fox News Reports & New Revelations

Episode Date: September 15, 2026

In this episode of Investigate Earth, Chad and Sheri go back inside one of the most controversial and still-debated chapters surrounding September 11th.We break down what is new in the recently released 9/11 files, revisit questions about intelligence failures and prior warnings, and examine the long-buried four-part Fox News investigation from 2001 and 2002 that explored allegations involving possible Israeli intelligence activity in the United States before and after the attacks.We also look at why those reports largely disappeared from public conversation, what was actually reported at the time, what remains disputed, and what people may have forgotten more than two decades later.This episode is about separating what was documented, what was alleged, and what still does not have a clear answer.Our Merch Store

It's been hard. It's been tough. It's insane. It's been home. Hello and welcome back to Investigator Earth Podcast. I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Tonight we're getting back into 9-11 because there are still parts of this story that most people have either forgotten about or never heard about in the first place.

We're also breaking down what's new in the newly released 9-11 files, what actually stands out, whether any of it changes what we thought we knew, and then we're getting into the Israel connection. And also, the old Fox News report. reports that have basically disappeared from mainstream conversation and some of the questions that were being asked right after 9-11 that nobody really talks about. And before we get too deep and all that, we're going to back up for a minute and try to put the bigger picture together because there are a lot of moving parts and not all of these

stories work, I guess, by themselves. You've got to look at them side by side. And that's what we're going to do tonight on the show. It is September the 14th, 2026. The name of the song is Hard in America. Can't tell you who sings it. I forgot. And it's not actually showing up on the same.

screen right now, but we have played this song many times on the show. I do find it fitting for what we're going to be talking about tonight. It kind of gives you that New York filling, but also it tells a story about like so many things that we have experienced as human beings in America that is just put a lot of people on hard times. Obviously, 9-11 was one of those. JFK assassination, Martin Luther King, COVID, you name it, all of the things that all of us Americans have went through together. and 9-11 was one of the biggest for sure i said i believe on the richard gauge 9-11 podcast episode if you guys have not listened to that we did that about a month or a month and a half ago where we brought on richard gauge he's the founder of architecture and engineers for 9-11

truth and it's like we were talking then it was the only benefit the only good thing that kind of came from 9-11 was the camaraderie the sense of patriotism that we felt after 9-11 um it was the the first time in a very long time that it seemed like America was together. It seemed like we were brothers and sisters, no matter what color, no matter what political affiliation you were. It was something that we looked past all of that. And obviously, because of the devastating nature of what we witnessed on 9-11, where more than 3,000 people died. And the crazy thing about it is, and part of a little bit of what we're going to talk about tonight in the newly released files is the fact that now there have been more.

more people that have died after 9-11 because of what they breathed in or whatever type of disease they got, mostly cancer, after the fact, which is a crazy statistic. I mean, especially when you look at the 3,000 plus lives that were lost, or almost 4,000, I believe, in totality in 9-11, and then you think about the tens of thousands that have lost their lives because of air quality, because of water, because of all these various diseases that they picked up after the event. So we also have a Fox News report, actually, from not long after 9-11. That has been buried for years.

It has been banned on social media for the most part, unless you find it on X, especially on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, all of that. If you even put this interview up, it is automatically banned. And there's a reason for that, because obviously you guys know that Fox News has, they're obviously the Republican side of mainstream news. And it used to be where Fox News primarily was the only Republican news station, I guess there was in mainstream news. Now it seems like because of different mergers and all this shit that's going on behind the scenes, a lot more of the mainstream news is being bought out and paid for as well by very similar people. So anyways, we're going to talk about all of this tonight.

We have been gone for a couple of weeks. Sherry. Sherry knows all too well what we've been going through the past couple of weeks. I have had some hardcore medical issues that have been really honestly like one of the hardest times of my life for sure, not just the medical side of it, but the mental side of it has been really, really tough. And so, you know, Sherry's had to kind of take care of me a good bit during this. And it has really damn near been impossible to do podcasts because when your mental is already down and you don't even, you can't even hardly move in some cases and kind of bedridden for a couple, two, three days. It's just been tough.

Yeah, I mean, we've done several podcasts when Chad talked about when he was a teenager and he was on SSRIs and how bad he felt mentally then. Yeah. And I could almost, I mean, I wasn't around him when he was a teenager then, but I can almost compare it to now that he is broken mentally because of the physical aspects of what he's going through. And, you know, you think about so many people that have illnesses that don't go away and they have to, live with it day after day after day. And I kind of now understand why some people just want to give up and quit living if they're going to live like that and they don't have a quality of life. And that's kind of what we've been going through.

And it has been a struggle. We've been on a emotional roller coaster among Chad's physical ailments. And it's been really tough mainly on Chad, but it's also been tough on me just to have to deal with, you know, the emotional roller coaster that Chad's been on. because it is, it's heartbreaking to see somebody you love hurt and then mentally just get down. Yeah, well, it does suck for sure. And it's, by the way, this is all basically stomach-related stuff. You know, when I say stomach, it's not like stomach.

I'm talking about like intestines. And it's not good. You know, it's not good when you can't eat certain things. And then when you have like inflammation and your whole, basically intestines are inflamed and, you know, could burst and kill you and all these other things. And then you can't eat and you can't do. anything, really. And this takes weeks, months to recover from if you recover until the next one. And so this is what we've been through. So I just want to let you guys know, we didn't just stop because we wanted to. That's the last thing we wanted to. We stopped because we had to.

We had no other choice. And but we are here, probably a little early, actually. Mentally, still not great. Physically, not completely better or not even close to completely better. Actually, got a doctor's appointment tomorrow. So hopefully. Yeah, a specialist. So hopefully we can figure out some things. But, but I'm glad we're back. because, you know, I need to get my mind on something else besides just constantly what's going on with me and get my mind on other depressing shit that we're going to talk about tonight. Oh, that's so great. No, but it's not, it's not really. I mean, it is depressing, obviously, the topic and the nature of what we're talking about for sure.

But also, I think it's extremely important that people talk about these things because in this world, and this is literally why we did the podcast in the first place, is the fact that. You know, the mainstream narrative is always what they want to push into your minds, into your psyche. They use various ways to do it. Now they use algorithms. They use AI. They use things that are very smart about how to make you believe something or a narrative. They even use influencers now that you think you can trust to spin different things to you that are not true. And these may be people that you have trusted for a very long time of talking.

about this on many occasions. I think it's at the height right now. There's literally no telling what influence are out there that you've listened to for a very long time is paid by either a political pack, another country, an NGO, which is non-government organization that has some type of influence or, I guess, agenda to make you believe a particular thing. You know, obviously we've seen that with the Iran thing. We've seen it with the Israel stuff. we've seen it with the Palestine. The COVID we saw it. We've seen it with everything.

We also saw it with the JFK files, or not just JFK files, but the JFK assassination, where you had the committee that was basically set up to lie to you. And this is typically what these government committees are set up to do. They are either set up to concoct a story that they all can get on the same page with, make sure the documents all say similar things. and then also figure out what documents they need to bury and burn and never let you see. That's what committees are really set up for. Committees are actually not set up to find the truth. The committees are actually set up to hide the truth from you and to make sure that they can cover their own asses if they were involved. And if they weren't involved, they got to make sure they cover the asses of the people that were involved that they allowed to be involved.

And in many cases, the government always, you can always trace back a lot of conspiracies and a lot of things, not natural disasters, but historic events, especially like presidential assassinations and public figure assassinations and pandemics. I mean, you name it, there's always government fingerprints all over these events. And most of the time, these events are world changing. They are future changing and they are America changing. And there are agendas and fingerprints all over it, not just from our government, but also foreign governments. And now it's just gotten a lot harder to know what is true and what is true.

is not because the people that you used to run to to find out what the truth is are also now bought out and paid for by all of these same people. And that's what's so sad is I thought, you know, and I hate to even bring up politics, but I thought when Trump came in and the staff you put picked, I was like, yes, now we're going to really have transparency and people are going to go after that deep state and they are going to go after them with a bang and they're not going to let this happen anymore. but now we see it happens on both sides and it doesn't matter if you're a Republican. It doesn't matter if you're a Democrat because both sides play ugly and they're going to hide the truth from the Americans.

And that's what's so sad. Yeah. I, you know, and that's the thing is like obviously we've talked a lot on this podcast about politics for years. And, you know, I am negative about politics in general now. It doesn't really matter who's in office. And so that's why I just try not to eat. even, you know, what we're going to talk about tonight is the government, right? It's the government in general.

It's not just the government. It's other governments. It's media. It's all of these things. And, you know, the sad reality of our country and not just our country, but just many countries, the world, humans in general, especially when people get power, is that they don't use the power and influence they have for good in most cases. most of the time people in power use their power and influence for bad, for manipulation, for ways to control and divide. That is what they use their power for.

Just for example, like if you are a UFO UAP believer and you believe that these things that are flying in the sky that are going breakneck speeds, a speed of light, that we can't quite identify, which I do, by the way, believe we have non-human. things that are in our atmosphere, that are in our air, that are flying through and have been for years and years and years. But if we know from what we're understanding anyway, if that's even true, that we do have downcraft and we have technology based on that. And also, you get to think about like the discombobulator that Trump was talking about in

Venezuela, where that we basically just sent this signal into these people's brains and they started bleeding out of their nose and ears and then they died. do you think we use any of the technology that we that we garner from these UFOs or UAPs or any of the experiences we've ever had, even from geniuses that have been in our, not even even our timeline, but the past 100 or 200, 300, 300 years like Nikola Tesla or whoever the case may be, do you think we use their genius for good? Do you think we use their genius to help people? No, we actually kill people if it's going to be something that is free to people

or actually health people, very much similar to the way we saw and what we saw happened during COVID. Anything that was not pharmaceutical or was not the vaccine, they were going to try to ban. They were going to try to completely destroy your career if you were a doctor and we're saying, hey, baby, vitamin D and this protocol works. We know it works because we've tried it, where they're going to go after you and they're going to destroy your life. And so my point to all of this is, is that in most cases, the people in the world around the world, in large part when they have power, they use it for non-good things. They do not use it to help you, and they never have.

And I think that's where I was so naive growing up, and I think many of us were for a very long time, is that you believe that the government's there to protect you. You think that you are protected. And a lot of ways you are from foreign nations because of our weapons and our military and all that stuff. And I'm very patriotic and love all that. But also at the same time, I think over the past 10 to 15 years, a lot of people have really woken up to feel like, actually, I think that we are also the government's enemy, like,

and maybe in some cases enemy number one. And I think that's what a lot of people feel, and especially after COVID, and especially after what the government allowed the pharmaceutical companies to do and for the media to lie to us consistently and constantly. And so it all leads to 9-11. A lot of it stems from 9-11, and there's a lot we still don't 100% at all understand about 9-11 but at the very least we 100% know that there are millions of files on 9-11 that are still classified they have released i think at this point about 400,000 files where there are still

obviously millions more to be released uh ma'am dummy was one of the ones that i guess came out and said we're going to release these files from the new york whatever i think they spent 34 million dollars or something on the system to be able to code these files and and actually be able to release these files and so they are released what did they show we're going to talk about. And it's, you know, it's not,

there's not crazy, crazy stuff in these files, but it just goes to show you, like even this shit that was hidden is just ridiculous. Well, and two, you think about all these files that the government are saying they're going to release the Epstein files,

the JFK files, the UFO files, you know, now the 9-11 files. They say, oh, yeah, we're being transparent. We're giving you all the files.

Here they are. You have them. Go dive into them. Go see what you want to see. We're giving you. everything, but that's not what they're doing. They're still not being transparent with anything because the files we do get are redacted and they're still hiding millions of other files.

Yeah, and it's just like even the UFO files like she was talking about. I mean, yeah, they release BS videos and whatever. I mean, some of them look interesting, some of them don't. But I mean, even some of the whistleblowers, whether they're telling the truth or not, we don't know for sure. But a lot of those guys are like, no, this is like, I'm telling you, there are way more videos out there. they're not showing you whatever to hell, you know, and what they do is they hype you up.

They're like, oh my God, we're going to release the files, guys. We're going to release them. And then they release the files and they're just a bunch of BS. The same thing happened with the Epstein files. I mean, the same thing with Pam Bondi and that whole deal where they had the dang spiral binders and all these stupid influencers came out of the White House and we're holding them up instead the Epstein files on it. And it was literally a bunch of bullshit. It was literally stuff that we already knew has already been released and mostly all redacted. and so it's all a game they're playing with you it's a mind game and they use these things that

they know are hot topics especially for the algorithms for the social media they use these in pristine or not pristine but in opportune times and so when there's something else going on or something that they want you to you know to kind of quit looking at they're like hey guys we got to do something bring out the UFO files aka UFO files or bring out the Epstein file it's all BS it's all stuff to to push your mind somewhere else off of whatever else you're talking about and there have been things that have survived that Epstein files unfortunately you know i remember when obviously trump got in and and what he campaigned on heavily as well was releasing epstein files he was talking about you know we got to lock these people up and we're going to be transparent as hell you know

cash mattel said the same thing on these podcast tours for years leading up to his official um i guess designation as the FBI director, you know, Tulsi Gabbard did the same thing. Dan Bonino. He used to go after all the people in the government and telling everyone what he thought were in the files. And then as soon as he became a part of the government, he's like, oh, no, no, nothing to see here. Yeah. And he calls you an idiot if you believe it. And, you know, and that's just the reality, guys.

It's, and I think it's like, you know, a lot of people feel like bait and switched right now as far as, hey, we gave you the bait and then we completely switched it up. And that does happen. and it has happened many times and politics are corrupt and they always have been and it's not just here it's just i think unfortunately the level of corruption that we see every four years gets worse doesn't matter what side it's on because the machine and the system behind it keeps building they keep gaining more power they keep gaining more influence and they the number one thing here is they keep gaining more powerful tools to control you with just like a i is about to just get so big with data centers being built all across the United States.

They want you to believe that that is because we are in competition with China and for military weapons and all this shit. But in reality is, yeah, that's part of it. But it's also a big part of it is that they want the same surveillance state that China has and better. They want you not to be able to pick your nose without them knowing when you do it, how you do it, how big the bugger was, you know, the whole thing. It's true.

And they're going to know it. And I think, too, that the big machine is controlling our government. I don't think our government's in control. No. Somebody else is in control of them. Yeah. Yeah. And I used to, you know, and by the way, the answer to that is not necessarily as simple as the deep state or, you know, the New World Order or the World Economic Forum or even Israel.

I don't think any of those single-handed answers are the answer. Are certain parts of those things heavily influential in the, I guess you can say. a bigger picture. The hand and the fingers that control the government? Absolutely. I think each of those could be fingers of the actual hands that control the government. I also think there is somewhere a very nucleus of hierarchy that controls all of those. And I go back to when we did our New World Order episodes, we've done a couple of those.

And on those episodes, if you really want to know and understand how the New World Order works, and how the global system works as far as control goes, you look at it like a spider web, and at the center of the spider web is the spider. It is the nucleus. And if you had all of these variations of webs that go out, right, the furthest away from the center is what you would consider, like the most public-facing parts of that system.

So whether it's mainstream media, whether it's certain figures, you know, public figures, presidents, NIH directors, you know, you name it. Then you go a little further back. Maybe it's pharmaceutical companies, people that run those companies, all this stuff, whoever's in control of those, and then you go a little further back. But the closer you get to the spider, the more you don't know names, you don't know who the

hell they are. You don't know how powerful they are. And it doesn't necessarily just, it's not like you go the center and you're like, oh, it's the world economic forum. No, the World Economic Forum and the New World Order is the entirety of the web. We don't under, we don't quite know, though, who is in control of the entire thing. thing. Who is at the nucleus?

It's the systems. It's not an individual. It's the systems together working together as the spider in the center. Yeah, but I do think there is a queen bee that they're all protecting. I do think that there is one individual that is doing all this? One and a group. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a, I think it's a or a family.

I think it's a family. It could absolutely be a family. I think it's a demonic system. I think it is a bloodline that is who is controlling us. I think that, you know, you go back to Nephlam and the watchers and all that stuff. And you understand how the hierarchies work. You understand why they protected bloodlines. You understand why they made it with women to begin with because they wanted to take on flesh and blood to be able to have not only the flesh and blood aspect, but also the supernatural aspect to be able to control.

And they want to use us and control us and make us their workers. Absolutely. But, you know, and that's why I always go back and I say, hey, look, you know, here's the deal. people don't quite necessarily understand who really could be in charge or how weird it might actually be. And I know that sounds crazy. But it could be very weird that we just don't understand. If we're if we're believing that UFOs and little green men and I don't even think it's green men, but even interdimensional beings are flying around in whatever the hell these things are. Oh, it's definitely green men and interdimensional.

I think it's both. It could be all those. But either way, we have to understand like what their, what their mission is. is we have to try to best understand all of this. And, you know, the 9-11 attacks, yes, obviously is one of the most historical events in our time. And I do absolutely think that the New World Order and the system within are the ones that made sure that event happened. They then confused everybody of who did it, why it happened, and how it happened. And they do a great job of that. I mean, look at it. We're what, how many years is it now? 25 years? Yeah, 25 years.

Yeah, 25 years. Yeah, so 25 year anniversary just a few days ago. And, you know, we still don't fully understand. There are thousands of families that don't exactly know what the hell happened. There are people that are trying their best to get together lawsuits, including Richard Gage, which we had on the show with Richard Gage 911.org. And they actually just had a big event, which we had talked about this past weekend in New York City, which I wish we could have went, but we could not, obviously, because of my medical stuff.

But either way, I want to kind of give you guys a rundown of at first what these files, the new files show. The number two thing I want to do is we got to get to that interview because, and not interview, but that whole Fox News segment, this came, I think. The hidden. Yeah, well, it's the buried segment. It came probably a couple weeks after 9-11. And then it wasn't very long after that. They buried it. They deleted it from everything.

But some people still held on to it. and we're going to go through that as well. So let's start with the intelligence to presidents we're getting, right, about 9-11. And this is just what mostly we were being told and what at least they are showing some of this in the files. And we've kind of already knew this. But in September 1998, it was three full years before the attack, a president's daily briefing, which keep in mind, the president's daily briefing, if you guys have been listening for any amount of time, who is it that gives the president's daily briefing? briefing. It's the CIA. And that all changed, by the way, under George Bush, the first, George Bush Sr. And that was when George Bush was the FBI director, not FBI director,

but he was in the CIA. Well, CIA director and all that. Yeah, that was when George Bush Sr., when he was in a CIA and all of that, that was when he was the one that pushed for the presidential daily briefing to come from the CIA rather than the president's close advisors. But anyway, President's daily briefing going to Bill Clinton said al-Qaeda may fly in an explosive packed airplane into a U.S. city. Same document, same page also said they didn't have conclusive information on bin Laden's intentions.

So that's the kind of contradiction that kind of shows up in these files. They were looking at the possibility of a plane used as a weapon while telling themselves they didn't really know if that was going to happen or not. December 1998, another brief, Ben Laden. and his people were preparing attacks inside the United States, including an aircraft hijacking. The plot they were tracking then was more like a hostage for prisoner deal. They wanted Omar, Abdel, Ramon, and Ramsey Yusuf sprung, which is two people that we had in captivity. There was even talk of a rehearsal at a New York airport.

Different method than was actually what happened, but they were already thinking about the planes and American soil, according to the files. And so then you fast forward to August 6, 2001, the famous one, Ben Laden determined the strike in the U.S. It told George W. Bush that Ben Laden had wanted to hit inside the United States since 1997. And that he had talked about following in Ramsey Yusuf's footsteps from the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and that the FBI was seeing patterns of suspicious activity consistent with preparations for hijackens. It also specifically mentioned recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

the FBI at that point had about 70 full-filled investigations they considered bin Laden related. And so that's not nothing. That's a lot of smoke and that's a lot of information that's kind of coming to two different presence at this time from various aspects. Now, you guys might be asking yourself, why are you telling us? As we already knew, they had prior information and all this stuff, trust me, I'm going to get to that in just a second. And I'm going to let someone else tell you what I'm talking about.

Not someone else, but who I think might have been involved. Now here's kind of where the newly. released commission interview notes get pretty interesting. Richard Clark, which was the counterterrorism guy who served both Clinton and Bush, sat down with the commission in 2004 and said that the CIA and FBI never warned his group about a hijacking or a threat to a commercial airplane at all. The Zakarius Musaari case never even made it to them. Condoleezza Rice in her interview said the August 6th brief mentioned hijackings, but she described the information as not current in any way. George Tenant, under oath, walked through some of the same 1998 briefs.

You can fill the finger pointing even in those summaries of how they were trying to blame it on this person or the other person. They had pieces. They had a map of Bin Laden's infrastructure in North America. They had people they were watching in Dallas, Sacramento, Tampa, New York. They just never put the, I guess, whole picture together in time, according to the files. Or they didn't treat it like it was an emergency at all. That was just part that that's the part I guess a lot of people don't understand is that why that you get this much forewarning for so long and then act like nothing was going to happen. And I want to just play a clip to you guys because this matters.

You remember I said the first briefing to a U.S. president about intel they were gathering about potential strikes. And by the way, they were already blaming bin Laden in 1998. Okay. Now let me ask you guys something. If you were going to say that you were someone else, but you were the one that was actually planning these style attacks, wouldn't you, especially if you were a very powerful and influential person or country, wouldn't you start making a cover story in advance? Wouldn't you or your intelligence be feeding U.S. intelligence, a bunch of bullshit to make

them think, hey, you know, look, you got Osama bin Laden this plan. in this shit. Our intel's seeing it. You got people in the U.S. You got people here and here and here and here. Although they never did a damn thing about it. And you'll let me tell you why I think the United States intelligence never did anything about it.

It's not necessarily because the United States was 100% complacent or involved in the attacks. It could have been the fact that since 1998, the United States was being fed a bunch of bullshit. That's very possible to where they couldn't ever fully trace or track completely or pinpoint. or pinpoint anything to anything because a lot of the intel and a lot of the information

was being fed from somewhere else that was just smoking mirrors, right? So you got to think about that aspect. I'm not saying that the United States maybe or intelligence maybe didn't have something to do with it. Right, right. But it also could have been because all of the shit they were being fed,

they could never really pinpoint or completely lock down to a degree. But I want to play you. quickly, a guy that we probably all are familiar with. But this is what Benjamin Netanyahu said in 1995. Listen to this. And I said that if the West doesn't wake up to the suicidal nature of militant Islam,

the next thing you'll see is the militant Islam is bringing down the World Trade Center. The next thing you'll see is the militant Islam is bringing... So there you go. That was 1995. Now, this was Benjamin Netanyahu in an interview. He was talking about if the United States does not start realizing how militant Islam are the problem, they are the terror. They are the bad guys. They're going to bring down the world trade centers one day.

Yeah. So he's really good at predicting things. He's awesome at predicting shit. I mean, 1995, bring down the world trade centers. He says in an interview, by the way, that was not the only time he mentioned this in 1996. He was on another interview where he was talking about the potential of them stealing aircraft and potentially hitting buildings inside of the United States. Absolutely. But Israel has the best intelligence way better than America.

So if anybody knows, Israel does. Yeah. Well. But also the reality is that could Israel or BB or whoever the hell was actually in charge and kind of pulling the strings there at that time, were they feeding the United States into a bunch of bullshit? Because you might ask yourself, why would all this information from the presidential daily brief? which remember I said was taken over by the CIA back in George senior days, why would they be feeding bullshit or why would they, whatever. My point to this is that we already know based on what happened in Gaza and based on what

happened in Israel and what's happened in Iran and all this shit, the Mossad, which is Israel's intelligence and the CIA are basically one in one in large part. There are definitely differences. Yeah, but the Mossad plays the CIA. They do, absolutely. And I think the Mossad plays the CIA far worse. than the CIA ever plays them. Right.

And, you know, we've played another interview where Masada said, look, if we want to do something anywhere in the world, we can do it and you'll never know it's us because we create shell companies. We create all this shit. And you will never know it's us. You remember when we had the CIA guy on our podcast? Jason. Yeah, Jason.

And he said the big difference, we had him on and we were talking about the Idaho for murders. Yeah. And he said the big difference between that murderer and us, you would never know we went into the house. Yeah. And he's talking about as being on the CIA for America. And Mossad does the same thing.

But I think Mossad... They're more complex. They play like they're our best friend, but they really are our worst enemy. Well, you ask any CIA guy. I mean, anybody that's not paid or bought or, you know, under a bunch of bullshit. What happens when they come to the White House? Which, by the way, John Kariaku, which is the guy that lives in Russia now, mainly because he was one of the ones that started to speak out about a lot of this shit. And he'll tell you right.

And not just him. There's a lot of them. Even the guy, Andrew Bachtermar or whatever hell, his last name is, other CIA gay, they've debated a lot of shit. Him and John Chariako do not agree on a lot of things. Right. One thing they definitely agree on is Israel. And they agree that Israel is very dirty. They are very, they, as far as like the Mossad, as far as their tactics, they spy, they lie, they cheat, they go behind you.

They'll do anything to screw you over. Every ex-CIA person we've ever had on this podcast has told us. when the Massa came into the White House or the Oval Office or wherever they came, they had to go and sweep that entire area because there were bugs everywhere. Yeah, I mean, it's just what happens. And, you know, and so I wanted to pinpoint that little piece and also make you understand that, because a lot of people are like CIA is probably definitely done it or whatever the case is. But the reality is that the CIA, FBI and all those, I believe, could have been fed bullshit information.

Very similar, by the way, to how. Israel and the Mossad fed the United States bullshit information on Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. That is where we got the intel for that entire operation. And I just want to point this out too. It's just kind of like when we bring any of our government staff over to Russia, for example, we bring our own motor cage. We bring in all of our own like everything. We don't trust to even get into their vehicles. Yeah.

Because we don't know what they're going to. to do. And it's kind of the same thing as Israel, but we trust Israel that we don't trust Russia. No, but you know, we got to remember that it was just found what last year that I guess that there was, they found a tracking device on Trump's motorcade. Yeah. And they believe it was probably potentially Mossad or Israel, even though mainstream media never said that. But one of the things, a lot of XCI guys say, that's the type of shit they do. They will put trackers and everything on everything. And they want to do certain things like that. because they want to let you know, if we want to take you out, we can.

Yeah, and I just wonder when our government goes to Israel, do they bring their own motor cage there? Motorcade. Sorry, motorcade. Sorry, guys. Motorcade. Keep in mind also, like, we have military bases all over the Middle East. So when we have dignitaries or whoever, especially presidents or vice presidents that go to Israel, all they got to do is fly a C-17 in Israel. They bring all of the motorcade in the C-17.

they also have helicopters and everything else that's already going to be there. So yeah, I would highly doubt the United States would just be okay with using Israel's shit when they're over there. You know, the mainstream narrative is they want you to believe Israel's our best friends. The reality, on the other hand, is that no government official is actually going to tell you the truth will ever tell you that. And they are the country that spies on the United States the most, I believe, out of anybody. So that should tell you something. Why is your best friend spying so much on you and doing all this crazy shit is crazy? But so then on September 8th of this year, the city dumped more than 170,000 pages and air quality reports, contamination records, internal emails, and the Hardin memo.

That's the October 2001 memo from city lawyers to deputy mayor Robert Harding. Now, they estimated 35,000 potential plaintiffs. They figured 10,000 would actually file. They were already talking about people coming back to lower Manhattan too soon and getting toxic exposure. First responders given bad or no respirators at all. and toxic tort cases that might arise in the next few decades they were talking about. And so while that main memo was circulating internally, the public message was that the air was safe.

Don't worry, guys. Air safe. Everything's fine. Come back to work. The dust is just dust. That's all you got to worry about. Those 68 boxes set in the Department of Environmental Protection Office for over 20 years. Now, career officials, according to lawyers, who sued forcibly disappeared the archive.

Denied it existed, city council members and even members of Congress. couldn't get them. They only surfaced last year while the city was fighting a lawsuit. So these files have disappeared for 20 plus years. They told you they didn't exist. There's no, there's nothing on it. And then all of a sudden, this lawsuit, all the sudden this came back. Somehow they found the files.

This was just this past year. So, and then of course it wasn't very long ago, hate or love mandami. Probably most of you hate him. But who knows? I don't know. Either way, he was the one that announced, hey, we're going to release the file. files here's here's kind of what we're showing here's what we're whatever i don't know and it's interesting that it's on the 25 at gear anniversary yeah um so the files also include records on world

trade center building seven the building that came down that afternoon without a plane hitting it which we talked extensively about that with richard gauge uh the city had been sitting on those two now more people have now died from 9-11 related illnesses than died on the day itself first responders residents cleanup workers and the document shows officials knew the air was bad within weeks they were still finding asbestos months later half a mile away. They just didn't want the liability. They didn't want lower Manhattan to stay empty. So they just told everybody, no, it's fine because they cared more about the revenue that

was coming into the city than anything. And the reality of it was it was going to kill thousands and thousands of people because of this. Yeah. And listening to Richard Gage and his whole presentation about how the combustion and, you know, the smoke and the types of things that were exploding. He said that was really bad and hazardous, and nobody said anything about it. No.

But like Richard Gage was saying, I mean, the rubble piles should have been much, much larger. If you think about all that concrete that was in the buildings. But a lot of the dust you saw was the concrete turning into dust. Yeah. And just that concrete is cancerous. That is also very carcinogenic. And then you got to think about whatever explosives were used, which Richard Gage goes into that. If you guys have not heard that interview, you've got to go and check it out.

It was kind of like a wonky interview a little bit here and there, because he went through an entire presentation. We didn't really say a lot. We wanted him to say whatever he wanted to say, but I do think it's very important to listen to because I'm telling you, he basically proves that number one, it was demoed. It was not the airplanes that actually caused the buildings to collapse whatsoever, and that most of the dust was from the concrete, which is carcinogenic. But if you then add in certain chemicals or things that were put into the, to the explosives. That's also a highly carcinogenic thing. And then, of course, also the asbestos. So that's something to think about. The other thing is, you know, something we don't often talk

about either. And for those that know me decently enough, you know, I've been in and around aviation for many, many years, probably 25 years, 25 years, no, probably 20 years, I guess, something like that. And, you know, even the Pentagon, right? The Pentagon was something that I never really, I guess thought too much about. Because it wasn't the big part of the whole thing. No, but, you know, it was a Bowen 757, right? To hit the Pentagon, that Bowen 757, the way that the Pentagon was hit and struck on the surveillance footage, the airplane would have had to been at ground level, almost like, say, for example,

where the plane entered the Pentagon, say that you take a runway, from where it entered the Pentagon and you extend it 10,000 feet back, you put the 757 on the end of the runway and you have it go like it's taken off and hit the building directly into the building. So it's like on the ground. Yeah. So what you're so what? And how would that be possible?

Yeah. So what, yeah. How the hell are you going to get a 757 from the air to hit dead level to go right through the building and in? It's just not possible. if you look at the actual surveillance footage and if you look at the damage pattern, it's not possible. And you don't think it has anything to do with the passengers on that flight rushing in and overtaking that plane. No, what would that have anything to do with it?

I'm talking about just the physics and aerodynamics of the airplane. Right. And I'm just making a point that that did happen on that plane. Yeah, I know. But that doesn't matter. I mean, I guess what we're trying to understand is like did a plane even crash? into that building right right i mean that's that's the bigger question and i don't know that it did because i'm telling you if you actually look by the way go to our x right now i'm going to post

this picture from our buddy grant cardone um and it shows you literally what the angle of the airplane would have to be at when it hit the pentagon um and it's just not possible for a 757 to do that and if you for just a second yeah in one second okay and if you look at the surveillance footage again that whatever hits the building is coming in directly level with that Pentagon. The people on that plane were actually calling loved ones and saying their goodbyes. Yeah, I'm not saying the plane didn't crash somewhere. So you're saying it could have possibly been another plane that did that? No, I'm saying it could be a missile.

Potentially, yeah. I mean, there has been a, there's been a lot of theory behind the missile theory hitting the Pentagon or something similar to that. because it's just strange. And then you've got to also think about now, we didn't have AI back in a day. Now, this is one thing Richard Gage and I also believe planes hit the World Trade Center. I 100% believe that. There's a lot of people that said, well, maybe it was CGI or maybe it was something like that. I don't believe it was CGI.

People literally have home video cameras or even news cameras when the planes are flying over and they pan up and they see it hit the building. So I do think the planes hit the building in the World Trade Center. Yeah, and I asked him about that and he said yes. Yeah, obviously they didn't in Building 7. So that building was just imploded and whether or not they meant for it to be imploded. What I do believe is, is that like Richard Gage said, Building 7 was also supposed to be hit.

Right. But didn't happen. So they imploded it anyway or accidentally imploded it and it was already set to be imploded at a certain time. Yeah. And it's this very interesting to me because I'm thinking back to that day in my mind when I first saw the first, the first plane going to the first tower. And then we're like, holy smokes, what in the hell is going on? And then I don't know how many minutes later when the second plane hit.

And then you're like, oh, my God. And then everybody's just in tears. Like we could not believe what we're seeing. But at the same time, that is when the plane, I think it left from Boston, it was going to Los Angeles, was going towards the Pentagon. But I swear to God, this feels like the Mandela effect to me. Because I swear, I remember back then that. when those passengers rushed in and took over the hijackers,

that it didn't even hit anything. That's what my mind remembers back then that it even hit. There was a plane that crashed in a field. Okay. We got to remember that. Okay. That was in Pennsylvania. There was a plane that crashed in a field.

Yeah, I guess that's a plane I'm thinking about. Even though they say that, you know, they say it crashed in a field and that it is because the passengers overtook it and it was a big hero story. Right. And they saved a bunch of lives. Right. But that plane, keep in mind, the one that crashed in Philadelphia, that plane was intercepted by F-16 fighter jets. It was 100% intercepted.

And what I think happened probably more than likely is they shot the plane down and then made up the story of the passengers overcame it, but they couldn't, you know, and they wanted to. But there's phone calls to their loved ones saying they were going to do that. And they're rushing in and they said goodbye to their loved ones on the air phones. Yeah, I get it. But I'm just telling you that F-16s did intercept that plane. So, and even fighter pilots that have commented on this in the past have said that they believe it was shot down. And it was not forcibly taken down by passengers or even the 9-11 crew. So, or the hijackers is what I'm trying to say.

But, but yeah, many fighter jets or fighter pilots believe that was intentionally taken down by fighter jets. And by the way, if fighter jets would have intercepted that plane after already knowing what was going, going on at that time. They started to understand what was going on. Because that was the last plane. Yeah. They would have immediately shot that airplane down. As soon as they had the first opportunity and it was, you know, over the least crowded

parts of wherever, which, by the way, it was. It was over a field. Didn't affect anybody else on the ground. They, the plane came down right over a field. So that's not coincidental. That is literally strategic on how fighter pilots will do that if they have the opportunity, given the fact that, you know, this plane was headed. Most people believe that.

the plane that took off from Newark, New Jersey, and supposedly it was going to San Francisco, California, that the one that went down in the field in Pennsylvania, they think that it was going to Washington, D.C., and likely it was either going to hit the U.S. Capitol or something similar. And I think it was because of, you know, it was prime time during that time for the Capitol and everything else, and they believe that plane was headed towards the Capitol building.

So make no mistake. If fighter jets intercepted that plane, which obviously they would have, and we know that they did, they would have shot that plane down. And they would never tell you that they did that because, you know, it sucks to think that when there's that many people on an airplane. So do you think the plane that did actually hit part of the Pentagon miss hit their target a little bit? Because they hit like one side. No.

Is that where their target was? Well, I mean, I know that if I'm not mistaken, the Pentagon building that actually was, or the section of the Pentagon building that was hit. was very interesting because, yeah, so here is what the theory is as far as the Pentagon goes. It was Donald Rumsfeld's September 10th, 2001 statement about roughly $2.3 trillion in Pentagon transactions that could not be properly tracked. And the fact that Flight 77 hit an area containing Army financial and accounting offices the next morning, that's what everybody was like, okay, that's freaking crazy.

Now, the part of the Pentagon struck housed among other offices, the Army Resource Services, Washington operation, that included financial management accounting program and budget personnel. The Defense Department's own history says the impact area included the RSW program and budget division and managerial accounting division. So the Pentagon announcing huge accounting discrepanes on September 10th and then on September 11th, the plane struck the offices connected to the Pentagon's accounting, destroying evidence in all the records. related to those trillions of dollars of missing money that we don't 100% know where it went or how or where it went to, right? So that's a fact. That is not a conspiracy theory. That is the sections and the offices that were hit in the Pentagon.

So they were about to get heat. Well, they were getting heat the day before. Well, Donald Rumsfeld announced it, you know, the 10th. And then the 11th, the plane hits that exact section of the Pentagon. So there you go. Now, on to the interview. The long lost interview. interview, or not interview, but the Fox News segment.

And I think it's the most notorious band segment on 9-11 anywhere. But I want you guys to hear this. We're going to listen and then we'll break it down and talk about it. Here you go. By the way, this is Britt Hume, I think. Back in a day, he looks old then. It has been more than 16 years since a civilian working for the Navy was charged with passing secrets to Israel. Jonathan Pollard pled guilty to conspiracy to commit espionage and is serving a life sentence.

At first, Israeli leaders claimed Pollard was part of a rogue operation, but later took responsibility for his work. Now Fox News has learned some U.S. investigators believe that there are Israelis again very much engaged in spying in and on the U.S., who may have known things they didn't tell us before September 11th. Fox News correspondent Carl Cameron has details in the first of a four-part series. Since September 11th, more than 60 Israelis have been arrested or detained, either under the new Patriot Anti-Terrorism Law or immigration violations. A handful of active Israeli military were among those detained, according to investigators, who say some of the detainees also failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States.

There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that the Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are, quote, tie-ins. But, When asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying, quote, evidence linking these Israelis to 911 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information. Fox News has learned that one group of Israelis spotted in North Carolina recently

is suspected of keeping an apartment in California to spy on a group of Arabs who the United States is also investigating for links to terrorism. Numerous classified documents obtained by Fox News indicate that even prior to September 11th, as many as 140 other Israelis had been detained or arrested in a secretive and sprawling investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the United States. Investigators from numerous government agencies are part of a working group that's been compiling evidence since the mid-90s.

These documents detail hundreds of incidents in cities and towns across the country that investigators say, quote, may well be an organized intelligence gathering activity. By the way, this is when the United States and media wasn't 100% completely controlled by the Israelis, as they are referencing here. And keep in mind, how moronic does it sound that Israelis were in the country spying on Arabs, like in various states? It's ridiculous. What they were likely doing was working with these Arabs to plot and then execute 9-11. Let's listen to more. First part of the investigation focuses on Israelis who say they are art students from the University of Jerusalem and Basalal Academy.

They repeatedly made contact with U.S. government personnel, the report says, by saying they wanted to sell cheap art or handiwork. Documents say they, quote, targeted and penetrated military bases, the DEA, FBI, and dozens of other government facilities, and even secret offices and unlisted private homes of law enforcement and intelligence personnel. The majority of those questioned, quote, stated they served in military intelligence, electronic surveillance intercept, and or explosive ordinance units. Another part of the investigation has... By the way, explosive ordinance units. Keep that in mind.

...delted in the detention and arrests of dozens of Israelis at American mall kiosks, where they've been selling toys called Puzzle Car and ZoomCopter. Investigators suspect a front. Shortly after the New York Times and Washington Post reported the Israeli detentions last month, the carts began vanishing. ZoomCopter's webpage says, We are aware of the situation caused by thousands of mall carts being closed at the last minute. This in no way reflects the quality of the toy or its saleability.

The problem lies in the operator's business policies. Why would Israelis spy in and on the U.S.? A general accounting office investigation referred to Israel as country A and said, quote, according to a U.S. intelligence agency, the government of country A conducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the U.S. of any U.S. ally. A defense intelligence report said Israel has a voracious appetite for information, and, quote, the Israelis are motivated by strong survival instincts, which dictate every facet of their political and economic policies. It aggressively collects military and industrial technology, and the U.S. is a high priority target.

The document concludes, quote, Israel possesses the resources and technical capability to achieve its collection objectives. A spokesman for the U.S., excuse me, the Israeli embassy here in Washington, issued a categorical denial saying any suggestion that Israelis are spying in or on the U.S. is, quote, simply not true. There are other things to consider, and in the days ahead, we will take a look at the U.S. phone system and law enforcement's methods for wiretaps, and an investigation into the possibility that both have been compromised by our friends and allies. overseas, Brett. Carl, what about this question of advanced knowledge of what was going to happen

on 9-11? How clear our investigators that some Israeli agents may have known something? Well, it's very explosive information, obviously, and there's a great deal of evidence that they say they have collected. None of it necessarily conclusive. It's more when they put it all together. A bigger question, they say, is, how could they not have known? Almost a direct quote, Brett. And this is going to the fact that they were spying on some Arabs, right? Correct. All right, Carl. Thanks very much. We reported on the approximately 60 Israelis who had been detained in connection with the September 11th terrorism investigation. Carl Cameron reported that U.S. investigators suspect that some of these Israelis were spying on Arabs in this country

and may have turned up information on the planned terrorist attacks back in September that was not passed on. Tonight, in the second of four reports on spying by Israelis in the U.S., we learned about an Israeli-based private communications company for whom a half-dozen of those 60 detained suspects worked. American investigators fear information generated by this firm may have fallen into the wrong hands and had the effect of impeding the September 11th terror inquiry. Here's Carl Cameron's second report. Fox News has learned that some American terrorism investigators fear certain suspects in the September 11th attacks may have managed to stay ahead of them by knowing who and when investigators are calling on the telephone.

How? By obtaining and analyzing data that's generated every time someone in the U.S. makes a phone number. call. What's sitting in safe, please? Here's how the system works. Most directory assistance calls, and virtually all call records and billing in the U.S., are done for the phone companies by Amdox Limited, an Israeli-based private telecommunications company. Amdocs has contracts with the 25 biggest phone companies in America and more worldwide. The White House and other secure government phone lines are protected, but it is virtually impossible to make a call on normal phones without generating an Amdocs record of it.

In recent years, the FBI and other government agencies have investigated Amdocs more than once. The firm has repeatedly and adamantly denied any security breaches or wrongdoing. But sources tell Fox News that in 1999, the super secret national security agency, headquartered in northern Maryland, issued what's called a top-secret sensitive compartmentalized information report, T-S-S-CI, warning that records of calls in the United States, United States were getting into foreign hands, in Israel in particular. Investigators do not believe calls are being listened to, but the data about who's calling whom and when is plenty valuable in itself. An internal Amdoc's memo to senior company executives

suggests just how Amdox generated call records could be used, quote, widespread data mining techniques and algorithms combining both the properties of the customer, like credit rating, and properties of the specific behavior, specific behavior such as whom the customers are calling. The Amdoc's memo says the system should be used to prevent phone fraud, but U.S. counterintelligence analysts say it could also be used to spy through the phone system. Fox News has learned that the NSA has held numerous classified conferences to warn the FBI and CIA how Amdox records could be used. At one NSA briefing, a diagram by the Argonne National Lab was used to show that if the

phone records are not secure, major security breaches are possible. Another briefing document said, quote, it has become increasingly apparent that systems and networks are vulnerable. Such crimes always involve unauthorized persons or persons who exceed their authorization, acting on exploitable vulnerabilities. Those vulnerabilities are growing because, according to another briefing, the U.S. relies too much on foreign companies like Amdocs for high-tech equipment and software, quote, Many factors have led to increased dependence on code developed overseas.

We buy rather than train or develop solutions. U.S. intelligence does not believe the Israeli government is involved in a misuse of Amdocs information. Yeah, so they don't believe the government of Israel at all. And by the way, that's U.S. government that's telling Fox News this, which obviously is complete lies. But understand, Amdox is an Israeli-backed company or Israeli-owned company more than like the government and they're using this company and Mossad to plan coordinate spy to make sure that 9-11 happened without a hitch. And even the beginning of this segment, he's talking about, well, that's why, you know,

some of the intelligence officials in the United States question, you know, how were all these people able to stay a step ahead of them? You know, it's because these people were just the people they were putting into the airplanes and it was Mossad and Israel that was planning it all. and making sure that their intelligence was past and ahead of U.S. intelligence. That's exactly what they were doing. Yeah, and I'm thinking back in 2001, were we as close of allies as we are today? Why did we detain over 140 Israelis?

Well, it's because they were freaking guilty. And obviously, our intelligence knew that. Our intelligence knew at least enough that we were about to be screwed. And I'm sure they also understood and knew that Israel was involved, obviously. I mean, it wasn't just 40 or 100. They arrested a lot of Israelis during this process. So why did the cat not come out of the bag then if we were detaining all these people and we knew they were like two steps ahead of us and we detained them.

And I'm sure we questioned them and asked them everything. Why didn't we expose it then? Yeah, why don't we expose it then? Because there's something that is. Israel has always had over us. I mean, and it's so weird because how we say that like, oh, it's our greatest allies. And obviously, they're not. I think in the United States is either one of those things that they believe Israel is our most dangerous potential country outside of anybody else. We actually, we ran this, we ran this through on an episode probably two or three

years ago where we were talking about who potentially were maybe the most powerful countries in the world. Right, right. You think of United States. You think. of Russia, you think of China, then you've got to think also of all the other nuclear armed states. But I would say that, you know, Israel is in the top three. And I know that sounds crazy. And I don't even necessarily know 100% where to put them, but we know they have nuclear warheads, even though they won't admit it, but we know they do. We know they have one of the best intelligence agencies or agencies in the entire world as far as how dirty they are and what they're willing to do to to embed themselves within foreign nations how much they're willing to do

to change political outcomes or the the future of various countries or just killing mass amounts of people we we understand what that intelligence agency is willing to go through now the CIA does a lot of very similar things that we don't even know about never probably heard of but what i'm saying is is that i think that israel is it's always been this kind of lie this facade that they are our greatest allies, I think that the United States realizes and recognizes that potentially Israel is our greatest threat. And I think that for various reasons. And I think that even if you look back at, you know, and we've said this before, like prior to Trump winning 2024 where all of the media hated him, everybody talks shit about him 24-7, every single day.

He was about to go to prison. He was almost executed a number of times. And then, you know, he gets in the office and he's like Israel's bitch. And not only Israel's bitch, like he has completely changed 100% of everything that he said he was going to do. He's completely flip-clop on that. And there's a reason for that. It's because he understands now. He knows maybe potentially, oh shit, I didn't necessarily realize this like I thought I might

have, but they got him right where they want him. Oh, absolutely. And they got the United States right where they want him. And like I said, is Israel the entirety of the picture of 9-11 and everything? not necessarily. I think there are other moving parts in that. But could they be the primary over 9-11? I think that as we listen to more of this,

I think that you're going to realize that, yeah, they are. Well, and I'm just thinking about this company's name, Am Dox. You know, docks is a, I guess a word that is new in our vocabulary as far as like doxing people, right? Giving their information and giving it to everyone. Am Dox, they were getting the information and taking the information and taking it and using it. Yeah.

You know? I mean, their name is part of what they were doing. Even I don't know exactly how it spelled, but it does sound like that for sure. And the reality is, too, is, you know, they, that company along with others, and as this report is talking about how the United States shouldn't, you know, rely so heavily on foreign nations for especially things within our own government. And as it says, most of those companies that the United States relies on for classified controlled lines of communication or various other systems is not just foreign, they're Israeli.

And so that's crazy to me. So when we think about Section 21 or I think it's 211 or 201 in the new military act where it's going to basically, you know, the United States and Israel are going to be linked at the hip. They're going to be able to see like classified information on our side, be kind of a part of our military and all this shit. That sounds wild, but they were doing this shit back then. This is nothing new.

And guess what they were doing with all of those companies that they were using? Well, it sounds like they were doing something leading up to 9-11 for those things. Yeah, I don't think it was nothing new. Like they were doing it then and they're doing it now. I think the difference is that we are opening our eyes to what was happening then. Yeah, but the government. And we're opening our eyes to what's happening now. Yeah, but the government was 100% lying to us then and lying to us now.

The problem now is that, you know, as I said, and my point to what I was saying about Trump and being hated and all the media going after, media don't even talk shit about Trump anymore, like at all. And if someone does talk shit about Trump, they're going to be canceled or something's going to happen. And the reason for that is because I don't know if you guys know, all of these various major news outlet mergers and most of these mergers are back owned by Israel. I mean, by Israel CEOs and Israel, all these people. So that is a thing.

CBS, NBC, all of these various buyouts have all happened in the past year and a half. All these things were in the works. So now no one's allowed to hardly criticize Trump at all. Definitely not criticize Israel. I don't know if you guys saw, by the way, that McElmore, which I don't like that dude anyway, he's definitely a hardcore leftist. And I'm definitely more on the right as far as my values go. But I guess the other day, he was going to open for Ed Shearren on this new tour.

It's going to be a huge arena tour. McElmore was going to be the opener. And I guess at a concert just before he was about to start his tour with, with Ed Shearin, McElmore said free Palestine at, you know, at his concert. And so it sounds like Robert Kraft,

which is he's the owner of the New England Patriots, he basically called and said, look, if you, Ed Shearin have McElmore at your show in Gillette Stadium, you're not going to be allowed to play here. And then Robert Kraft went on and called all of the other stadiums that Ed Shearren was,

going to perform at and basically they all got together and told Ed Sharon, if you don't take McElmore off your tour, your tour's canceled. So Ed Sharon had to remove McElmore all because he said free Palestine. Well, that's very interesting because some of the biggest pop stars in America when they were receiving their rewards said free Palestine. And this is a genocide. Yeah, I don't know. But either way, that's what recently happened.

So let's listen to some more of this. Docs insists that its data is secure. What U.S. government officials are worried about, however, is the possibility that Amdoc's data could get into the wrong hands, particularly organized crime, and that would not be the first time that such a thing has happened. Fox News has documents of a 1997 drug trafficking case in Los Angeles in which telephone information, the types that Amdocs collects, was used to, quote, completely compromise the communications of the FBI, the Secret Service, the DEA, and the LAPD, and we'll have that and a lot more in the days ahead, Brett. Carl, I want to take you back to your report last night on those 60 people who, Israelis who were detained in the anti-terror investigation, and the suspicion that some investigators have that they may have picked up information on the 9-11 attacks ahead of time, not passed it on.

There was a report you'll recall that the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, did indeed send representatives to the U.S. to warn just before 9-11 that a major terrorist attack was imminent. Why does that not, how does that leave room for the lack of a warning? Well, I remember the report, Brett. We did it first internationally right here on your show on the 14th. uh... what investigators are saying is that that warning from the massad was non-specific and general and they believe that it may have had something to do with the desire to

protect what are called sources and methods in the intelligence community the uh... suspicion being perhaps those sources and methods were taking place right here in the united states the question came up in the select intelligence committee on capitol hill today they intend to look into what we reported last night and specifically that possibility right so in other words a problem wasn't lack of a warning, the problem was lack of useful details.

Quantity of information. All right, Carl, thanks very much. Coming up next, an Israeli-based company called Amdocs that generates the computerized records and billing data for nearly every phone call made in America. As Carl Cameron reported, U.S. investigators digging into the 9-11 terrorist attacks, fear that suspects may have been tipped off to what they were doing by information leaking out of Amdocs. In tonight's report, we learned that the concern about phone security extends to another company

founded in Israel that provides the technology that the U.S. government uses for electronic eavesdropping. Here is Carl Cameron's third report. The company is Comverse Infosys, a subsidiary of an Israeli-run private telecommunications firm with offices throughout the U.S. It provides wiretapping equipment for law enforcement. Here's how wiretapping works in the U.S. Every time you make a call, it passes through the nation's elaborate network of switchers and routers run by the phone companies. Custom computers and software made by companies like Converse are tied into that network to intercept,

record, and store the wiretapped calls, and at the same time transmit them to investigators. The manufacturers have continuing access to the computers so they can service them and keep them free of glitches. This process was authorized by the 1994 Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, or Kalia. Senior government officials have now told Fox News that while Kalia made wiretapping easier, it has led to a system that is seriously vulnerable to compromise and may have undermined the whole wiretapping system. Indeed, Fox News has learned that Attorney General John Ashcroft

and FBI Director Robert Mueller were both warned October 18th in a hand-delivered letter from 15 local, state, and federal law enforcement officials, who complained that, quote, law enforcement's current electronic surveillance capabilities are less effective today than they were at the time Kalia was enacted. Converse insists the equipment it installs is secure, but the complaint about this system is that the wiretap computer programs made by Converse have in effect a back door through which wiretaps themselves can be intercepted by unauthorized parties. Adding to the suspicions is the fact that in Israel, Converse works closely with the Israeli government and under special programs gets reimbursed for up to 50% of its research and development costs by the Israeli Ministry of Industry and Trade. But investigators within the DEA, INS, and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying through Converse is considered career suicide.

And sources say that while various FBI inquiries into Converse have been conducted over the years, they've been halted before the actual equipment has ever been thoroughly tested for leaks. A 1999 FCC document indicates several government agencies express deep concerns that too many unauthorized, non-law enforcement personnel can access. the wiretap system. And the FBI's own nondescript office in Chantilly, Virginia that actually oversees the Kalia wiretapping program is among the most agitated about the threat. But there is a bitter turf war internally at FBI. And I want to pause just for a second, because I want you guys to understand how this entirety of system works.

As you hear, Robert Mueller, Mueller, I guess you call him. Now, he's been around not very long ago. And this was back in 2002, the beginning of 2002. Too long. But what I want you to understand is that why when everybody's like, oh, my God, all you guys bitch about is A-PAC or whatever. Well, do you know why A-PAC exist? Do you know why you typically, like even look at Thomas Massey, for example, one of the

longest sitting congressman in his district and in the entire country in a very long time that had never been beaten? And yet here comes this nobody guy, Ed Gowlerine, which was funded millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars. It was one of the, I think it was the most expensive congressional race in history. All of a sudden, he got all this money from APAC and all this MAGA donor packs, which are basically just also APAC, just in different names. But the reason why APAC is so detrimental to the United States is because Israel puts in the

politicians that they want to put in that then, and they will also fund the presidents they want to make sure it gets in. And then they tell the president, here's who your people are going to be, by the way. your FBI director is going to be this guy, this guy is going to be this guy, this guy is going to be this guy, so that they can get away with all of this shit. That's why when the government is asked about things like Amdocs or this other company or whatever the case may be, they're going to be like, nope, Israel's not spying whatsoever. There's nothing. They're not connected in any way, shape, or form. So you have to understand 100% how controlled everything is.

And I don't think people fully understand that. Let's listen to some more. It is the FBI's office in Quantico, Virginia, that has. jurisdiction over awarding contracts and buying intercept equipment. And for years, they've thrown much of the business to converse. A handful of former U.S. law enforcement officials involved in awarding converse government contracts over the years now work for the company. Numerous sources say some of those individuals were asked to leave government service under

what knowledgeable sources call troublesome circumstances that remain under administrative review within the Justice Department. And what troubles investigators most, particularly in New York, in the counterterrorism investigation of the World Trade Center attack, is that on a number of cases, suspects that they had sought to wiretap and surveil immediately changed their telecommunications processes. They started acting much differently as soon as those supposedly secret wiretaps went into place, Brett. Carl, is there any reason to suspect in this instance that the Israeli government is involved? No, there's not, but there are growing instincts and an awful lot of law enforcement officials in a variety of agencies who suspect that it have begun compiling evidence and a highly classified investigation into precisely that possibility. All right, Carl, thanks very much. On a long-standing government espionage investigation, federal officials this year have arrested or detained nearly 200 Israeli citizens suspected of belonging to a, quote, organized intelligence gathering operation.

The Bush administration has deported most of those arrested after September 11th, although some are in custody under the new anti-terrorism law. Cameron also described an investigation into the possibility that an Israeli firm generated billing data that could be used for intelligence purposes and described concerns that the federal government's own wiretapping system may be vulnerable. Tonight, in part four of the series, we'll learn about the improbable roots of the probe, a drug case that went bad four years ago in L.A. Los Angeles, 1997, a major local state and federal drug investigation, sours. The suspects? Israeli organized crime with operations in New York, Miami, Las Vegas, Canada, Israel, and Egypt. The allegations, cocaine and ecstasy trafficking, and sophisticated white-collar credit card and computer fraud.

The problem. According to classified law enforcement documents obtained by Fox News, the bad guys had the cops beepers, cell phones, even home phones under surveillance. Some who did get caught admitted to having hundreds of numbers and using them to avoid arrest. Quote, this compromised law enforcement communications between LAPD detectives and other assigned law enforcement officers working various aspects of the case. The organization discovered communications between organized crime intelligence division detectives, the FBI, and the Secret Service. shocks spread from the DEA to the FBI in Washington and then the CIA. An investigation of the problem, according to law enforcement documents, concluded,

quote, the organization has apparent extensive access to database systems to identify pertinent personal and biographical information. When investigators tried to find out where the information might have come from, they looked at Amdox, a publicly traded firm based in Israel. Amdocs generates billing data for virtually every call in America, and they do credit checks. The company denies any leaks, but investigators still fear that the firm's data is getting into the wrong hands. When investigators checked their own wiretapping system for leaks,

they grew concerned about potential vulnerabilities in the computers that intercept, record, and store the wiretapped calls. A main contractor is Comverse InfoSysk, which works closely with the Israeli government, and under a special grant program, is reimbursed for up to 50% of its research and development costs by Israel's Ministry of Industry and Trade. Asked this week about another sprawling investigation and the detention of 60 Israelis since September 11th, the Bush administration treated the questions like hot potatoes. I would just refer you to Department of Justice with it.

I'm not familiar with the report. I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained with respect to why they are being detained and the other aspects of your question, whether it's because they are in intelligence services or what they were doing, I will defer to the Department of Justice and the FBI to answer that. Beyond the 60 apprehended or detained and many deported since September 11th, another group of 140 Israeli individuals have been arrested and detained in this year in what government documents describe as, quote,

an organized intelligence gathering operation designed to, quote, penetrate government facilities. Most of those individuals said they had served in the Israeli military, which is compulsory there, but they also had, most of them, intelligence expertise and either worked for Amdox or other companies in Israel that specialize in wiretapping. Earlier this week, the Israeli embassy here in Washington denied any spying against or in the United States. Tony. Carl, we've heard the comments from Ari Fleischer and Cole and Powell. What are officials saying behind the scenes?

Well, there's real pandemonium described at both the FBI, the DEA, and the INS. A lot of these problems have been well known to some investigators, many of whom have contributed to the reporting on this story, and what they say is happening is supervisors and management are now going back and collecting much of the information because there's tremendous pressure from top levels of all of those agencies to find out exactly what's going on. At the DEA and the FBI already, a variety of administrative reviews are underway, in addition to the investigation of the phenomenon. They want to find out how it is that all this has come out, as well as be very careful because of the explosive nature and very political ramifications of the story itself.

Tony. Los Angeles. Good morning. Good morning. Brian, thank you for your network, actually. Mr. Wolf, back in December, Carl Cameron from Fox News ran a four-part series that detailed like a really a massive spying operation by Israel that was tapping all the phones in the United States and tapping all the secure lines of the FBI, the CIA, and the White House. All the phones in the United States? Yeah, through companies that...

Imagine that transcription effort. Yeah, well, of course, it's done with key words and all that in software, but the other thing was that all the secure lines at the White House and basically the entire federal government. They also said, and this was corroborated in the report released by the DEA, that there was a team of art students that were expelled. Actually, it was the largest spy-related expulsion in American history, that had teams of intelligence guys, Israeli intelligence guys, on the same block.

This was a Fox report? A Fox report by Carl Cameron. It was then. And they were the only ones that picked it up, although... Is that good or bad? Did you believe the report? Oh, yeah. There definitely was a true report.

The local newspaper reports had it and others, But no one on the air carried it, except Fox News. And then, to make matters worse, Fox News, even on their web, you can go into December archives and look at the report. Actually, you can look at where the report was, Israeli spying or whatever, and they actually pulled it from the archives, and nobody followed up. This is a conspiracy of silence, are you saying? Well, if you go back through the archives, Mr. Wolf, you'll see that it's the only report pulled. the archives go back through, you know, like last year.

Okay, thanks. Thanks for the call. Next call for Bill Goertz comes from Newark, Delaware, on our independent line. Good morning. Good morning. Let's see, I was interested in the story when Carl Cameron broke 120 Israeli spies that were arrested in the United States shortly after. And by the way, that last piece you just heard, these are callers in to this big show on C-SPAN,

and this caller is also on C-SPAN. The September incident, and some of these people had been shadowing the terrorists that blew up the buildings, living in the vicinity and keeping up with them. On May 17, two Israelis were arrested in Washington State in a van that had traces of high explosives. I think it was five Israeli military spies, you know, the way they described. We're in a building in Brooklyn watching the September bombing, and all this has been kept out of the press. And I just wonder, I mean, this is good reading. This is what we want to know about.

And by the way, I do want to point out what he's talking about is, yes, they did stop a van that had explosive ordinance traces in the van. So, and this was right around the Brooklyn area. This was, you know, this whole thing. Yeah. And right. And they also had a group of Israelis that were cheering and they have them on video cheering as the planes are going into the Twin Towers. Yeah.

And I think even one of them was like holding up a lighter, you know, as it was being lit. And so what I'm saying is like, and we're not done yet. We're almost done. But I just want you guys to understand. Like this is not a coincidence. Like all of this stuff that led up to. 9-11 from, you know, even Benjamin Netanyahu in 95 and 96. And then the intelligence reports that were coming in, which I think was false reports.

And all of these Israelis across the country in various places and Amdocs and all of these companies that were using our phone lines and government phone lines and everything they could possibly do, including algorithms that you barely even heard about back then. And key words. Yeah. Like this is the first time I've ever heard this because you've not played this to me. And I'm just like, my mouth is hitting the ground right now. I cannot believe what I'm hearing and how that disappeared and why we didn't do something back then about it.

I mean, just imagine hearing a story like this on Fox News today. You would never, ever hear a story like this. And by the way, this story did not stay up very long. Yeah. And C-SPAN was even trying to cover it up. Yeah. Like he's like, okay, next caller. Yeah.

All right. Peace out. Bye. See ya. Yeah. And that's the thing. Like, it wasn't very long after this four-part series came out that it was gone. And luckily, we have access to it right now. But let's continue listening for a few more.

And there's stories that their intelligence agency told our government. Why isn't that the story? When did we know? What did they know? When did they let us know? Are you familiar with this? Yes. Good questions. As for the 120 Israeli spies, That's a story that's out there. I've looked at that a little bit. I really haven't found really what's behind that story. What is going on there is that there have been a number of Israelis, and I've actually seen some people come to my house in Maryland who are selling art, and they identify themselves as students,

and there's something unusual about it. I have a feeling that this may be some collection aspect to it, but I don't see any kind of major effort to figure out. I know that the U.S. government has expelled some of these people. You mentioned the May 17th incident on the West Coast. I looked into this very carefully, and this was a story that two Israeli nationals were stopped in a rental van near a military. I think it was a naval base in Washington State, and the initial reports were that they They had somehow detected some explosives on the steering wheel.

And obviously that's a huge story. Well, I looked into it, and the word I got from federal officials was that it was a false indicator, that there weren't really explosive traces there. Now, I don't know what to make of it. I'm not out there. If I were out there, perhaps I could get a little bit closer to the story. But the initial blush on that was there wasn't anything to it. Could you go back?

You mentioned students selling art. What was a connection again to the... Well, that somehow these Israeli art students have been spotted around a number of places, including some federal buildings, and that has raised some counterintelligence concerns within the U.S. government that perhaps the Israelis have been conducting some type of intelligence collection activities. I haven't really been able to get all the facts of that story, but I've seen... I think he was referring to Carl Cameron's story on Fox News, and he's... He's done some good reporting on it.

But I won't. And by the way, that guy that was just talking used to be in the defense department and was the number one correspondent in the national security and defense intelligence. That guy. And he said, our students showed up at his house. His house, yeah. And he was like, what the hell is up with these people? Well, and they were talking about earlier. Like, they had a bunch of these guys in the malls and stuff and selling these.

Yeah, the motorized helicopters. I remember them. Yeah. I swear to God, I remember them. Yeah. And they were all Israeli back companies. And that was the first time I ever seen, like, in our mall, because we're in South Carolina and middle of nowhere, basically. That was the first time I had ever seen, like, I guess, immigrants or people from a different country selling stuff in our mall like that.

Yeah, this, I mean, and so we got one more caller, I believe, on C-SPAN as well, different guy, but a different host. But listen. I really want to ask you, and I hope you bring it up when Carl Cameron comes on, is that there's a big controversy over a report. report he did for Fox on 9-11, and where he implicated or he suggested that it was in a four-part series that there were a bunch of Israeli art students that were involved in espionage and may have been following al-Qaeda, and there was concern that they were, that they didn't report this incident to the American authorities, and they were eventually left on visa violations. They were arrested, about 140 of them.

reported this. It was a big brouhaha, and it was on Fox's website, and it was taken off of Fox's website, and it's been a big story in Lamond. It's been a big story in humanity, and it's been reported in salon.com, and everywhere you turn and you see the story, the whole thing has always reported about Carl Cameron and his story, and with these oblique quotes about Carl Cameron being puzzled by this strong reaction and everything, So please ask it. I'll probably have more guests. Ask Carl Cameron the same thing. We've had a number of calls on that as well,

and he'll be here in about 35 minutes. We'll bring it up with him. Next call, Silver Spring, Maryland, Republican line for Carl Cameron. Yes, yes, good morning. Actually, I'm calling to congratulate Mr. Cameron on his reporting. He broke one of the most important stories this year with Israeli spiring. Problem was that Fox News pulled off the networks almost as soon as he reported it. And I just like to ask this Cameron how he felt about that and how he felt in general when news with potentially damaging or incriminating evidence against Israel is pulled off almost as soon as aired.

Thank you. And we should point out, Carl Cameron, that one of the first calls about an hour and 20 minutes ago dealt with this very issue. First of all, what is the caller talking about and what happened? In December of last year, Fox did a four-part series. I reported a four-part series that described several. scenarios, several dynamics within the continental United States. There is a report that was circulated. It has now been disclosed by the DEA that reported that over the course of a year and a half, numerous federal agencies had encountered individuals who referred to themselves

as Israeli art students essentially visiting these facilities, military installations, FBI, DEA, INS, both the publicly listed addresses as well as some that are not made public. And those particular facilities are intended to be kept secret. And they began to ask questions and attempt to sell their art. And we reported that this was a dynamic that had been described by government documents as an intelligence gathering operation. Following that particular story, we then described the U.S. intelligence community's grave concerns that our civilian telecommunications are compromised and vulnerable to

intelligence gathering because many of the companies that provide services in our telephone calling are owned by or closely aligned with Israel and that they have been occasionally investigated by our federal government for tapping or taking information from our telecommunications for the purposes of intelligence and finally that there is a concern in our government that the way in which we actually conduct wiretapping under law enforcement granted judge judge approved surveillance subpoenas, is also potentially vulnerable to compromise and intercept, excuse me, again,

because some of the companies involved with the manufacturing of that equipment are Israeli and that they've never been tested for vulnerabilities, and that too has been investigated as a potential threat. Potential and investigation are the important things to remember. There is no claim by anybody in our government that the government of Israel or anybody in Israel is actually spying that these are mysteries, that there is evidence to suggest a problem and they've yet to be able to solve it. Did anyone tell you to kill the story?

No. As a matter of fact, what happened was we did put transcripts of my story on the internet, and after a period of several days, it was taken down off the internet, as what I've been told was merely to make available for a huge deluge of war-related material. You've got to remember this was December. So we were still very much in the throes of the September 11th aftermath, and there was war underway in Afghanistan, and they had to make way for other news.

and we've done some follow-ups reporting on it, and there has since our story, which was denounced by the pro-Israel lobby in this country as anti-Semitic and biased and inaccurate, much of what we've reported has now been reported all over the world because the documents that I used and was careful to protect, because some of it was considered classified and secret at the time, have now appeared virtually all over the world, corroborating our story and what we reported. Well, I agree that talks should continue. Creation of a Palestinian state after the violence has stopped is a laudable goal. I certainly hope that the Cheney visit is a productive visit. I think the moderate Arab states have to be working closely with us to find both a way to stop the violence and an end game that makes sense for everyone in the region, which includes the survival and security.

and respect for the state of Israel, which I think is absolutely essential to an essential goal of U.S. foreign policy and one I strongly support. And Robert Simpson emails, could you ask Representative Harmon about the deportation of Israeli art students spying in the U.S. and should this worry us? Are you familiar with this issue? Of Israeli arts, I'm certainly familiar with the fact that we have been rounding up people on student visas,

considering whether they might have had anything to do with terrorism and some of those rounded up are Israelis. But I don't know the specific facts I would not like to comment except to say that I am not in favor of unlimited detention. I voted for the Patriot Act, which passed the Congress, which put limits on detention. And I think there ought to be court review after seven days or an appropriate period of time about why it is that we're holding people. And roundups are not things that I think. There you go. That was Congresswoman Jane Harpin. Wow.

So there you go. Wow. And, you know, like the guy said that did their report when he was asking, and he's like, oh, we had to make, you know, they had to make way for war coverage. They had to get rid of the story. Well, but at the time, you know, I'm going back and thinking in my head at that time, like thinking and placing myself at that time. Not a lot of people even had cell phones.

We all had, we still have the phone. We had TV. Well, and we still have phones that hooked up. into the wires like they're talking about. That's the wiring. And then we also had the news. So I'm thinking back towards this whole time and it's just like mind blowing, listening to all these interviews and everything coming out.

I don't, I don't honestly remember those reports. No, of course. No, because I mean, they were not out there very long. That's what I'm saying. And then, you know, once they got scrubbed from Fox and once they were basically, you know, once censorship started and as the years went on and. you know, as social media kind of came about. And then, you know, we just don't understand like how complex we or I think that 9-11 was.

The planning of 9-11. Who was a part of 9-11? And, you know, even just the fact that all of these art students were going to all of these various government buildings and buildings that no one else had addresses to. They didn't even know that these government people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so the question is, obviously, these art students, these, you know, these Masade officers, basically.

they obviously knew that they weren't going to sell their paintings at these places. The big question is, what were they actually there for? What were they doing? What was their reasoning to go to these places? Because like I said, they know they're not going to, you know, classified type places. Intelligence offices are not going to buy paintings from these art students. But, you know, what was their real reason that they were there? What type of devices did they have with them?

Exactly. Like what was. What were they tapping? What were they putting in there? how are they tracking people because they were going to all these agencies and even to personal residences. Yeah. Well, it's, look, I mean, this is one of those stories that, yes, has been hidden, covered up.

Yeah. I honestly do not remember that at all. Yeah. And that's the thing is like that's not a coincidence, people. I don't know what else to tell you, but it's just not a coincidence. Now, the United States government over, you know, 25 years have done everything to try to hide this shit. They've done everything to try to hide these reports and and and hide any link to Israel at all. But I guess what I'm saying is is that the the intel and the operation and the

planning and the coordination and the sophistication that would have to go behind the report you just heard. I mean, we're talking about companies, massive companies. that had access to every single phone line in America that was Israeli. And not just that company. There were multiple companies that had access to all types of things that the United States government used or handled or spoke through. And so what I'm saying is that that was not a coincidence. They used everything in coordination in the lead up to 9-11.

And it's just interesting to me that they were tapping every line. So obviously they were hearing the conversations that were going on between the Arabs at all times of night because they always spoke at night. I never mentioned to you that my best friend, Yvette, lived next door in Vero Beach to one of the Pilots brothers. And she would hear them talking an Arab all night, and they would only talk at night outside. But it's just interesting that I'm sure they were wiretapping all their conversations.

Who? The Israel? No. Well, if they're wiretapping everybody, why wouldn't they be wiretapping? I still don't think you get it, is what I'm trying to say. Well, I know you're saying that they were helping them and that they were a part of the plan. Those guys were Israel's guys. Yeah, I mean, they were Arab.

I get that. They were Arab. I understand what you're saying. Okay. But I'm saying as far as Americans thinking about what was going on at the time, if they were wiretapping everyone, then they had to had evidence about the Arabs planning this stuff is what I'm saying. and you know Israel. Yes. Yeah, of course.

I mean, but we didn't put two and two together is what I'm saying. But yeah, no, we don't have to because they're not wiretapping to find out who's doing 9-11. They already know. Yes, I know. But why didn't Americans think about that then? Oh, you're talking about like, yeah, I think everybody did understand this. It was just you weren't allowed to say that. Like all these people that were calling and asking these questions about Israel weren't thinking that like, you know, it was.

It's not like they weren't thinking Israel probably had something to do with this. They just weren't allowed to think it or say it. No. And you even heard the last part of there is like anti-Semitic. Yeah. Thank you very much. Next call. I just cannot believe that I heard this. And I'm just thinking to myself, Chad, if that four piece investigation would have stayed on air, would have anything changed.

No. No, but it wouldn't. I mean, even if it stayed on air and it, look, it is still out there. Obviously, we have it right now. It's not on air. But no, nothing would have changed because they already had full control. And I think the government knew it and probably participated in it. You know, you got to think all of these people that are in charge or in power, even back

then, when they were denying any of this and they were telling the media, no, this is all bullshit. Israel didn't have anything to do with the government didn't anything. All of these people that were in power then were also probably placed in power by a lot of the Israel Pax and lobbies. So APEC is not new. Yes, APEC, the name is new. But we also have to go back and remember.

remember all of this shit was happening from 98 to 2001 and obviously after. But we also have to remember that JFK, when he was assassinated, one of the main things JFK was doing was, number one, he did not want Israel to ever become a nuclear state. He made that very clear, and he was going to do everything in his power to make sure they were not. And then the other thing was is that he wanted Israel to register under FARA, a foreign agent, basically. And he did not want to allow at the time. I don't remember what APAC was called.

It was called something else. It's not on my mind right now. But there was a lobbying group back then in JFK days that was very similar to APEC, which when JFK was about to make them register to where they could no longer lobby Congress or politicians in the United States of America, Israel had to stay the hell out of U.S. politics while JFK was killed about two weeks after they were about to try to make this final push to this. that was when Apak around that time and after JFK and LBJ came in and all that.

And LBJ was like the prodigal child or prodigal son of Israel. And he loved Israel and he made sure Israel got their nukes and could do whatever the hell they wanted to. Didn't have to have inspections and didn't have to register under FARA. And I mean, LBJ was Israel's guy. And JFK was the one that was going after Israel to make sure they were not interfering in U.S. elections. They were not going to have nuclear weapons. All of that shit was happening.

then. So, you know, keep in mind, lobbying of politicians really genuinely hardcore started from Israel into the United States, not only when JFK was in, but when it really took off was LBJ after JFK's assassination. And you guys can go look any of that up. Well, and I think that that's happening with Trump right now. I think Trump is their bitch. Yeah. And, you know, we were talking about earlier, you know, about APEC that they spend all this money to get politicians in to a certain role. but Mandami won New York. Do you think it's not because of the money that Israel put up?

It's just because people are seeing beyond the bullshit. Well, I think, you know, like I said, and this was the, Sherry, I told you before Mandami ever won. And I said, remember, because it was, you know, you had all of these Republicans and you even had other Democrats. Cuomo was going against him. There was quite a few of them. But there was Cuomo and there was the other guy in a red hat.

And before the final candidates, there was like 10 of them. And all 10, I remember, I'll never forget, it was on the stage or debate stage when they were all debating. And they asked the question about Israel and all of them were just sucking ass to Israel. Every single one of them, Mamdami was like, I don't, I'm not talking about Israel. I'm talking about New York. I care about New York. I'm not answering that question about Israel. Whatever.

He was the only one. Now, I'm not saying I like Mandami. I don't. But what I'm saying is, is that he was the only one out of that entire group. that you knew right then all of those others were devoted and devout to Israel. They were bought. And everybody saw that shit and knew that. And that's why I said, Sherry, man, Domney's going to win.

Yeah. I mean, I know he's a Muslim. I'm like, no way. No way. And he's sure enough did. Yeah. And he's a Muslim. But the reality is, and this is the bad thing.

You know, and maybe this is actually part of their plan. Piss off enough Americans about Israel to where they start literally electing Muslims to where the United States is then overcome by the Muslim ideology. And then Israel has an even better stance in, because remember what I said, you know, how do you take over one of the greatest and most powerful countries in the entire world, the United States? You kill it from within. And so, you know, is this also part of their plan? It's very potential.

And there are also other races coming up in November where Muslims are running in various races and they're actually ahead. They're going to win. And I think it's going to be a total turnout. And people think it's just Republican and Democrat, but it's so much deeper than that. There's so much shit going on with just everything. But, you know, this is not anything about Jewish or anti-Semitic. This is about the state nation of Israel.

This is about the leadership. And I believe the very dirty and demonic leadership in Israel. And I'm not saying all of them because actually I have the Kinescent, right? Is that what they're called the government of Israel? I've seen actual videos in their Congress or whatever I think is called the Kinescent. But, you know, I've seen videos where they're questioning BB and they're questioning all these people and they're giving him shit. Oh, yeah.

At least some of them are. They wanted him out of there before all this shit happened. Yeah, some of them are. And like, in keeping also in mind, you know, there's probably a lot of people in Israel or around the world that actually understand what the hell is going on in the leadership in the government of Israel that would probably also be called anti-Semitic. And they're freaking Jewish. Right.

You know, and because they don't want B, B, B, they don't want none of that shit. There is a lot of Jewish people that don't stand with that, and they're not Zionist. That is the key. They are Jewish, but they're not Zionist. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. So, yeah, you know, yes, their word on the street and what they love to use is you're anti-Semitic or you're this or that.

And the reality is you're going to have to call, that's, that's like there's so many Jewish people that also are not on board with their bullshit. It's just like back in the days leading up to Trump's election, when if you, if you were a Republican and black, they called you white supremacist. Like literally, you're black called. Uncle Tom. Yeah, but the craziest one was white supremacist is my point I'm trying to make. And that's like calling a Jew anti-Semitic that don't support the bullshit that's going on

in the government of Israel and how they operate and what they do. I totally agree. And so that's the reality. It's like, don't be afraid to be real with yourself about what's actually going on. And I think this 9-11 story and report. I think is a very good way of understanding the reality versus the fear of being called anti-Semitic. And I don't think you can do that because even if you're Jewish, there's a, I've actually had people right into us that are Jewish that do not believe the bullshit.

Actually, Dave Smith, for example, one of the biggest outspoken debaters and critics of Israel, and he's the one that's been debating everybody. He's Jewish, you know, so it's just like they call him anti-Semitic, you know? And there's a lot of those people, even if you're Jewish, doesn't matter. You're anti-Semitic. How are you anti-Semitic if you are. Jewish. It's just the word they use. It's just like the way the Democrats used to call you white supremacist or racist or anti-gay or lesbian or homophobic or whatever the freaking words they used back then. Now the

biggest word is anti-Semitic. That is the biggest word in the entire world. That's what they use. And that's how they continue to do the bullshit they're doing under the guise of, hey, you're anti-Semitic. If you disagree with anything we do. So they can basically just get away with literal genocide and mass murder well my my jaw is still on the floor i'm trying to pick it up listening to that because i had never heard that before and i'm just like wow it is pretty wild my brain is just circling like holy shit how did we not know that yeah but by the way guys um if you're still here with us we are going to be starting a live video show we finally got our fiber internet the reason while we've not really been able to do live video shows on YouTube is because our internet

has been garbage. We paid for one gigabyte internet through spectrum and it sucks ass. You cannot do live shows. Our literal upload speed, which is what you need for live shows or for basically any kind of upload on the internet, especially video, our upload speed was like six megabytes per second upload, which is ridiculous. You at least need, you know, 30 to 40 or something. somewhere around there for really good quality.

So we got fiber, which we have like five to 600 gigabytes upload now. So it should look really good. If you want to follow us on our YouTube, it is Investigate Earth Live, not podcast, investigate Earth live on YouTube. Go follow us. We're going to have a live show this week. It's probably going to be around 7 p.m. And it'll probably be Thursday.

Eastern time. Yeah, Thursday, Eastern time. And we also have a rumble that's just Investigator Earth podcast. Go follow us over there. We will be streaming on that as well. obviously you can reach out to us on any of our social media platforms we're going to do our very best to push out as much content for you guys as humanly possible i know we've been away a while i'm hoping that my medical stuff can stay at bay long enough to where we can really get some

stuff going because i do miss it i miss talking to you guys i miss i just miss being here on the microphone it sucks when you're not able to do it for sure but at the very least it was a break uh i mean i guess it was a shitty break not a break no but it was we've not been on vacation we have not done anything we've been home being like stuck so yeah it sucks but uh we're going to do our very best to to pump out as much content by the way we also have a co-lab episode coming up with colt of conspiracy a great podcast out there that um one of our listeners actually which austin yeah there there's been other people that have reached out to us before and said you guys should collab with cold of conspiracy and so we're in the talks to do something

and i think what i really want to do is revisit the nephlum the watcher stuff with them and do like a part one here, part two there, or something like that. Yeah, that would be fun. So stay tuned for that. We will let you guys know when that's going to happen. Until the next time, guys, we love you. And here's Harden America by I don't remember who. See you guys.

Peace out, guys. It's been hard. It's been tough. Feel insane. It's been hard. Get so bad. Precious Tim. Sam.