Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Abercrombie & Fitch CEO Mike Jeffries Sex Trafficking Charges | Epstein Connection

Episode Date: October 25, 2024

In this eye-opening episode, we investigate the shocking sex trafficking charges against former Abercrombie & Fitch CEO Mike Jeffries. Accusations include disturbing claims of sexual exploitation and abuse of young male models, some allegedly against their will. We also explore Jeffries' ties to notorious figures like Jeffrey Epstein and Les Wexner, further unraveling the dark web of elite trafficking rings. Tune in as we expose another scandal that the mainstream media tends to overlook.

I can feel it in my face. Hands in the sky. I can feel the winds of change. Hello and welcome to Investigator of Podcast. I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we have another sex trafficking ring for you. Go figure. There's like 17,000 now this year.

I don't even know. It's really actually hard to keep track of all the sex trafficking rings now that the mainstream media used to tell us was all giant conspiracy theories. There was some elite pedophile ring. that was operating under the covers of the deep state. And they said to you were crazy if you ever thought that. But guess what? Apparently we're not so crazy.

Go figure. The difference in a conspiracy theory and a fact is six months. And I think that's what we're starting to see. And guys, on this episode, we're going to talk about Mike Jeffries, the former CEO of Abercrombie and Fitch, which is currently under investigation by the FBI for his alleged involvement in a sex trafficking ring. Now, this probe follows accusations that Jeffries, alongside a. his partner Matthew Smith, exploited young men for sexual purposes between 2009 and 2015.

And according to multiple reports, these men were recruited under the guise of modeling opportunities only to be subjected to sexual exploitation during events hosted at Jeffrey Properties and hotels globally. The investigation gained momentum after a BBC expose in October of 2023 detailed accounts from a dozen men, some of who claimed that they were auditioned for sex by a middleman, before meeting Jeffries. Now, Abercrombie and Fitch, which Jeffreys led until his retirement in 2014, expressed outrage at the allegations and initiated its own, quote-unquote, independent investigation. Now, federal agents are now issuing subpoenas and interview and potential witnesses as part of this ongoing case.

And both Jeffries and his legal team representatives have so far declined to comment on these allegations because they're trying to figure out what politician they got a call to get them out of this shit. That's probably what they're doing. But this is all obviously alleged. We do not know what actual Abercrombie and Fitch, you know, how much did they know? Were they involved? Are they liable? All these questions come to mind. But guys, welcome to the show.

It is October the 24th, 2020. We're 11 days, 6 hours and so many minutes away from the election that is going to probably decide the fate of America. It's actually 11 days until we decide if we're going to eat bugs or steak. Yeah, exactly. bug steak, maybe or ramen or steak. Yeah, top ramen or steak. It's going to be one of the two because we're either going to not have money or we're going to have money again and which do you guys prefer.

I want money. I want to eat good and I want the grocery store bills to be lower. Yeah. Make America have money again. That's what the campaign ads should be for sure. But we also have all these sex trafficking scandals coming out. We got Diddy. We obviously had Epstein.

We have now Jeffries. There are probably multiple others that we. We don't even know about, but the question should be is, why are all these coming out right before the election? We don't know. We'll talk about all this stuff. But then also, thinking about Jeffries and Abercrombie and Fitz, you might say, well, why does this even matter? I mean, yes, there's another sex trafficking, some elite POS that use his influence and power to bring in young boys or young women or whatever the case is for his own personal benefit. but once you start understanding how much connection that Jeffries, the CEO, had with Jeffrey Epstein,

you'll understand why we got to talk about it. But guys, before we get into all of that, I want to let you guys know that we do have an X account. And I do encourage all of you to have an X account. If you do not have an X, formerly Twitter account, then I don't know what to tell you. Because if you actually want the unbiased information, all information possible, if you want the unfiltered news. Please go download X. And over there, you can follow us.

We post her on a daily basis. We talk about a lot of stuff that never actually makes it to the podcast. We are heavily involved in either spaces or live streams. That is also where our election night live stream will be held November the 5th night. I think it's going to start probably somewhere around 7 or 8 p.m. And we are going to go until we know probably nothing that night. And because there's already all these mainstream media, I was saying, yeah, it's going to be like four or five days. Is that me?

Are we going to live stream for like four days? You could. We could just keep the camera going. We could put beds back here and go to sleep, wake up. Do we know who the president is yet? No. Isn't it just crazy, though? The last two elections has been like that.

It's been, you know, most elections, it's over on November 4th. You know who's the president by the next morning. No, you don't know. Because they, you know, to me, this is just my opinion. You know, the reason why you don't actually know anymore is because they got to figure out where they need the votes. They got to figure out where they need the truckloads of ballots to come in, allegedly. And it just always, you know, it's like we talked about it in 2020 when we went to bed and Trump was up and then we wake up and Biden is all the sudden miraculously up in all the swing states.

Is that going to happen in this election? Well, we don't know. Obviously, there are massive, you know, campaign ads for both Trump and Kamala. And I actually asked some of our listeners the other day, I said, have you guys ever heard a Trump ad on our show? And they're like, no, we've never once heard a Trump ad on the podcast. But let me tell you how many Kamala ads we've heard. So, I mean, and listen, I understand a lot of you have to listen to that. And I'm sorry, our dogs. I'm sorry, everybody.

Our dog was barking. But anyways, what we're saying is this is going to be a crazy election. We better buckle up Buttercup because it's going to be a fun one. It's going to be a fun ride between November and January 6th. And if you know about the DoD directive, that is. essentially saying that it's okay to kill American citizens with martial law, which we probably will end up doing an entire episode on that. So just stay tuned for that.

But without further ado, this actual news report came out right before the actual charges were filed against Jeffries. But I want you to hear what mainstream media first reported the independent investigation, they say, of Abercrombie and Fitch. Here you go. B. and Fitch has hired a law firm to investigate disturbing allegations of sexual assault abuse against its former CEO. And a BBC investigation, several men, some of them named and on camera, accused Mike Jeffreys of exploiting them for sex. Jeffries was CEO from 1992 to 2014 during the height of Abercombeian Fitch's popularity.

In a statement to NBC News, a company spokesperson says it is, quote, appalled by the allegations. Jeffery's attorney declined to comment to NBC. Joining us now, NBC News correspondent, Maura Barrett, and here in studio with us is NBC News Now, legal analyst, Angela Senadella. Maura, I'll start with you. We want to be clear that no criminal charges have been filed as of now. Can you take us through the allegations in the BBC report? Right, Kate, no criminal charges yet. This BBC report just published this week, and it alleges that 12 men are saying that they were involved in or had to help organize sex parties for the former CEO, Mike Jeffries,

his partner, Matthew Smith. Now, some of them saying that they were exploited, that they didn't participate willingly. Some of these men even alleging abuse. And so obviously very serious allegations, they said that these parties happened all over the world in big major cities over a time period between 2009 and 2015. Now, you mentioned that Jeffrey's attorney declined to comment on his client's behalf. And he also made a note saying that it's his client's practice not to comment on matters around his personal life. Now, there's also allegations in this report saying that the company paid settlements for Jeffries after allegations of misconduct, even though the company is saying that they were appalled

by those allegations around these parties. Now, the BBC is standing by its reporting, noting that some of these men were on the record and on camera, also saying that they completed extensive fact-checking, talking with dozens of other sources to corroborate the men's claims as well as checking across checking flight itineries, emails, tickets of those natures to make sure over this two-year investigation that they were getting their facts straight, but obviously some very serious allegations for Jeffries right now, guys. For sure. Angela, I want to bring you in and talk a bit about liability here because the company is saying, or a spokesperson told NBC News that leadership and the

board executives were not aware of this behavior. Does that sort of remove them from any liability here? No, that argument does not work at all. And that's because at a leadership level, it really matters what you should have known. It's not just what you literally did know. If we operated like that, then would give an incentive to companies to just close their eyes and just not have any idea what's happening. However, what I do think is relevant is Mora mentioning the settlement agreement because you know what happens in a settlement agreement if you're a victim? Well, you get money in response for releasing all claims. So you're receiving a payment and in that you're saying, I will never sue you the company for anything that has to do with that. So I expect,

anyone who has received a settlement from that company will not be able to sue. That will protect the company from liability. Okay. And we don't know if people that are making these allegations are the same people that potentially maybe had settlements, right? That's exactly true. So you're right. There could absolutely be many more victims who didn't settle, and that would not protect

the company from liability. Angela Senadella and Maura Barrett, thanks to you both. Thank you. Yeah, that's very interesting, right? So that kind of gives you, I guess, the legal analysis on how much. much culpability does Abercrombie and Fitch actually have in this? And obviously, them saying they're outraged by the allegations, but yet you hear right here that they have paid off victims already and made them sign something saying that you were never

to sue us because we gave you money. So obviously, Abercrombie and Fitch knew about the allegations. They knew what was probably going to come out, which is also why this piece, this mainstream media piece, came out ahead of the actual charges that were filed. in the 6th District of New York or whatever it is. So obviously Abercrombie and Fitch knew about it. How much was leadership involved? How much they know what their CEO was doing?

We don't know. But oftentimes this stuff is kind of covered up once you start finding out this heinous shit that's going on. Well, when they start investigating and probing their own investigation, you know something is up, right? Yeah, for sure. Because don't think in a million years they didn't know. When these guys are spending millions of dollars to sex traffic these people, they're, you know, spending money on hotel rooms, air flights, international and domestic.

They're spending tons and tons of money and I think probably from the company. Well, we don't know, allegedly. We don't know any of this, though. So keep that in mind. We do not know for sure that that's what A&F did or we don't even. And we also want to preface this episode with all of these charges, all these allegations are alleged right now. But these people that have been given settlements, it doesn't mean they can't testify in a criminal charge.

Yeah. That is true. That is true. They can still definitely testify in a criminal charge. I mean, because if you're subpoenaed, whether or not you were given a settlement or not, you will come into court as a witness. Now, what that just means, though, is that A&F can no longer be held liable by those victims monetarily because they've already signed something.

And then the court of law and the eyes of justice, then you are no longer. able to go after A&F for monetary re-recussion, but monetary value, whatever it is, monetary settlements. And so you can't actually sue them. But how many of these other victims that potentially have come forward to the prosecutors, to the FBI, how many of those actually settled or not, we don't know? And maybe some of these people that settled are pissed off to the fact that, you know, they thought money was going to help them feel better.

they realized it didn't help them feel better. And so that's when they kind of started coming forward. But it's just crazy. And when you get into the details of actually what happened to these victims, you'll understand why money is not going to help them feel better. This is stuff that goes even beyond, I think, P.Ditty. This was really, really bad stuff that these guys were engaging in for six years and got away with it for six years.

Yeah. Now, one of the things that Jislai Maxwell, and we found out in the Jeffrey Epstein case, And listen, we're going to talk a decent amount about Jeffrey Epstein in this episode because not only are the similarities of how these victims were groomed and how they were actually found and recruited and brought into this ring is extremely eerily similar to Epstein. But also, when we tell you about the connection between Jeffrey's A and F and Epstein, you know, you'll understand probably why it was very similar. Yeah, they had a playbook. Yeah, exactly. That's what I was going to say. They probably used Epstein's playbook.

Exactly. They used his model, his business model to get away with it. Yep. Now, we have to play the prosecutor's press conference. And it's not that long. We do not have the entire press conference in this entirety. But what we do have is the most important parts of the press conference. And we're going to get to this real quick, just so you can hear some of the charges in the allegations and what the actual information is surrounding how

they did this, what they did. And so some of this could be a little graphic. So if you have kids or any of that stuff, you probably shouldn't have your kids listen to this episode anyway. But here is the prosecutor of in New York. And he's talking about the charges in this case. Here you go. We're here today to announce the arrest and charging of three defendants. Former CEO of Abercrombie and Fitch, Michael Jeffries, Matthew Smith.

and James Jacobson, on charges of sex trafficking and engaging in interstate prostitution. The message from today's prosecution is clear. Sexually exploiting vulnerable human beings is a crime, and doing so by dangling dreams of a future in fashion or modeling or any other business is no different. My office and our law enforcement partners will all, prioritize standing up for victims no matter their gender and no matter how powerful the wrongdoers think they are. We will hold them to account. As we allege in the indictment between 1992 and 2014, Michael Jeffries was the chief executive officer of Abercrombie and Fitch.

Abercrombie was a widely known clothing retailer with stores around the world. Aspiring fashion models knew that a place on one of Abercrombie's iconic ads could be the ticket to success in the modeling industry. But while Jeffries was the CEO of one of the most recognizable clothing retailers in the world, he was using his power, his wealth, and his influence to traffic men for his own sexual pleasure and that of his romantic partner, Matthew Smith. The charging documents describe in graphic and disturbing detail the violent and exploitive acts these defendants perpetrated, for which they will now face justice in a court here in the Eastern District of New York. So here's what's alleged in the indictment. Jefferson Smith employed James Jacobson to act as a recruiter to fine men.

Jacobson engaged in, quote, tryouts with men across the world where he would typically pay them to engage in sex acts with him. Following the tryouts with Jacobson, Smith would often then personally approve whether the men who were selected would meet Jeffries and Smith. The defendants would fly the selected men to Jeffries and Smith's homes in the Hamptons in New York City or to hotels around the world in such places as England, France, Italy, Morocco, and St. Barts for the purpose of attending events to engage in commercial sex. but beyond simply hiring men for sex, Jeffrey Smith and Jacobson used force, fraud, and coercion to traffic those men for their own sexual gratification. For example, as alleged, the defendants employed a referral system and an interview process that did not inform the men of the details of the sexist. events before they attended, including the full extent and nature of the sexual activity that

would be required of the men at these events. They caused the men to believe that attending these sex events could yield modeling opportunities with Abercrombie or otherwise benefit their careers. Smith and Jeffries employed a secret staff to operate these sex events. The staff ensured that the men signed non-disclosure agreements and handed over their personal items, such as their phones, before the start of the events, to maintain the secrecy of these events. The defendants caused the men to believe that not complying with requests for certain acts, sex acts, during the events, could harm their careers. The defendants pressured the men to consume alcohol, Viagra, and muscle relaxance known as poppers during the sex events. And they required the presence of staff during the sexual activity

and ensured that the men did not leave the sex events until Jeffries and Smith decided that the sessions were over. Also, as alleged, on more than one occasion, Jeffrey's and Smith either directed others to inject or personally injected men with an erection-inducing substance for the purpose of causing the men to engage in sex acts that men were incapable of engaging in or unwilling to engage in. Additionally, the indictment alleges on more than one occasion when men did not or could not consent, Jefferson Smith violated the bodily integrity, of these men by subjecting them or continuing to subject them to invasive sexual and violent contact by body parts and other objects. As alleged in the indictment, Jeffrey Smith and Jacobson didn't just carry this activity on for a couple of occasions.

Their sex trafficking and prostitution enterprise lasted at least from the end of 2008 until early 2015. During that period, the defendants hired dozens of men and transported them to New York and around the globe. They spent millions of dollars on a massive infrastructure to support this operation and maintain its secrecy. This included hundreds thousands of dollars of cash for commercial sex, prolific amount

of money for staff to run the sex events, money for domestic travel, international travel, hotel rooms, services from a security company, and Jacobson's salary, among other things. We listen, we investigate, we take action, and we will not hesitate to bring charges in this office in particular in my civil rights team. I think you know we have a track record of bringing cases, with respect to people in power who have taken advantage of and abuse others. All right. So there's the prosecutor in this New York case. And let me ask something here for a second.

They spent millions of dollars for secrecy. I mean, if you go and spend millions of dollars on anything, at the very least, the government knows what the hell you're doing. I mean, you should know that. I mean, the Biden and Harris administration during their term charged the, I mean, charged the, the IRS to say anything over $600 coming out of a digital account in any way, shape, or form that you're going to know about it and you're going to have to report it. And so this is PayPal, all these other platforms. But yet for some reason, millions of dollars being spent on this massive global sex

trafficking ring, no one knew about it in the government. Yeah. And I don't think it matters if it was cash or not. Somebody has to know about it if it's that much cash. Millions of dollars were going through. hands for these sex parties. Well, the interesting thing they said it was there was millions of dollars spent on the sex trafficking ring and there were hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash.

Yeah. Which, okay, whatever. But besides that, this James Jacobson guy, which is basically who they hired as the Gislane Maxwell. Exactly. He held tryouts and would fly these guys around the world to multiple properties where Jeffries and his partner Smith was at. And at this time, they would essentially go in these parties.

They would go in obviously these parties to these multimillioners, potentially even billionaires. And they would say, hey, you know what? Our modeling and career is about to take off, bro. We're being flown around the world. This is what's going to, you know, this is finally what we've been working on. This is happening. Yes. Yeah, this is really happening.

And so you get into these parties. They give you alcohol, wine, beer, whatever the case is. Then they give you some muscle relaxers. Then they give you some Viagra and other erecting drugs that, to make you erect as a male. And then basically you're raped, although for some reason, this prosecutor cannot say rape. I know. Why does he not say rape?

Because it's basically rape. No, it's not basically. It is. When you are sticking up bodily parts up somebody's heinie and other things. Yeah, because it says and other objects. So that means that they were being raped. Like dildos or whatever, I guess. Yeah.

Well, we didn't want to get that graphic. But whatever. Yes. Objects. up bodily parts and you are doing this with these people passed out. And then so they wake up the next day. And oftentimes, as the prosecutor said, a lot of these guys could not leave. Number one, obviously they can't leave because they can't even think or react or probably

even walk. I mean, when you are drugged in a situation like this, you can't do anything. And yet it's like, I don't understand why they're not calling it flat out rape. Yeah, I don't either. In this allegation. And isn't it interesting, too? they made them sign non-disclosure agreements. And before they went to these parties, they took their personal items away, such as cell phone.

So you can't record anything. You can't take pictures. You can't do any of this to cause guilt on anyone. But I'm just wondering, are these guys like P. Diddy and Epstein? Did they install their own cameras into these various places where they were filming it to maybe even cause blackmail on these victims. Yeah. Well, the interesting thing about it is here, right? We don't know who was at these parties. Obviously, the only people we know right now is, is Jeffries, allegedly, and his partner, Smith, and so, which was his romantic partner. But, you know, when you are having your phones

confiscated, as you go into these events, number one, that should be a red flag. Because why would, why would I, why would I be giving my phone up? Yeah. And why am I signing this? And signing a non-disclosure agreement, what's going to happen here? You can. can't see. I'm sure they said something like, hey, look, guys, you know, sometimes we might do drugs, we might smoke weed or something, you know, something innocent. And so we don't want you to ever video any of that stuff. So that's why we got to get your phones. I'm sure they have a very elaborate system of convincing. And obviously, these guys are thinking, look, we're going to meet with the CEO of Abercombeian Fitch. Yeah, we, we got to just do it, right? I mean,

this is very similar to the ditty case. I mean, potential victims in the ditty case as Justin Bieber and Usher and Meek Mill and numerous others. We don't even know all of the victims in that case. But it sounds eerily similar. But then you go back to just the fact of like this sounds so eerily similar also to Gisleine Maxwell and kind of how she was like a James Jacobson for Jeffrey but for Epstein. Right. Right.

So Jisleine Maxwell, her involvement with Epstein included allegations of grooming, procuring young women and girls for Epstein. You know, also we got to think back to Just Lane Maxwell. and the amount of money and the payouts that they paid out to so many victims. I mean, when you heard the Jislane Maxwell trial, which we covered that on this podcast, you guys should go back and listen to it. There were only what four victims that ever came forward. And many of the victims that came forward in the actual trial, the criminal trial, had already been paid off.

So they could not get anything from the Epstein estate. They couldn't get anything from Maxwell. And then so essentially Epstein and Maxwell was trafficking to know. nobody because no one else has ever been charged because they are high elite authority figures. And so you'll probably never see that ever come out. You'll never see the list. No, you'll never see the list. You'll never see the videos.

The videos and the documentation of what they actually had on all these politicians is the thing. You can see the list all day. And they can all say that, well, yeah, we did go there 12 or 14 or 18 times. But we were only going under because Epstein was our friend. But so and then you can't really prove. anything. You can't prove they did anything. The only way you can prove that all these politicians and elites that went to Epstein's Island did anything is by way of video. And guess what? The FBI went and confiscated all of those videos and they took it with them. And that will never, ever be

released to the public. Very similarly to how did he had his entire sex trafficking operation set up. He had videos in all of his properties. He, many people believe, used as blackmail. And so we don't even know who was involved in all these parties. I'm talking about elites, politicians, so on. We don't know who was also involved in blackmail during the ditty scandal. But then you've got to ask yourself, who was Jeffries and his partner Smith and A&F? Who were they involved in?

How many politicians and elites came to their parties with all these young men models? Because if we know anything about politicians and about control, it's all about the male gay sex control. That's typically what they do. I mean, that's the entire reason why they would go to Bohemian Grove in California, which Alex Jones broke that huge story. The main reason why politicians went to Bohemian Grove and it was a male-only event. And when they would go to these events, not only would they, you know, seem like worshiped some type of satanic owl and whatever, they would also allegedly have gay sex with each other and then all have it on video to blackmail each other. Yeah, so they couldn't say anything.

Exactly. And then they would also be controlled. But there's obviously a lot more elaborate system involved. You've got to ask yourself, well, is it just politicians black and blackmail and everybody? Is it? What's the deal? We had heard, by the way, that Epstein was a CIA asset.

But more specifically, we had heard that Epstein was a Mossad asset, which we'll get to in just a little bit. And, but before we get to that, how was Maxwell like Jacobson? Well, Maxwell is accused of identifying potential victims in various settings, including schools, clubs, or social events. She also reportedly targeted vulnerable individuals, often those from less privileged backgrounds, or those who might be impressed by the wealth and status associated with Epstein, very similar also to Jeffries.

They say, hey, guys, you want to be a model? You want to make it to the top stage? Well, let's try you out first. And then once you are tried out, then we're going to take you to Jeffrey's house. It's kind of funny. His last name is Jeffries and Jeffrey Epstein. It's very interesting. It's just interesting, too, that, you know, he's trying them out.

He's trying them out first before he takes them to their house. Yeah. But it's the same way as Gisling grooming these people and getting them ready for the main event. Yeah, grooming process with Gislane was she would initially befriend the victims, presenting herself as a mentor or older sister. And this phrase involved gaining the trust of both the potential victims and sometimes even their families. And then she would also normalize the abuse. She allegedly introduced these individuals to Epstein in settings that might initially seem harmless or glamorous, like luxurious trips, parties, professional opportunities.

And over time, she would then normalize more inappropriate behaviors, making it seem like participating in Epstein's activities was a normal or expected part of their relationship with them. And then she would coerce and manipulate them. And these victims were sometimes coerced through a combination of flattery, promises of advancement or more sinister tactics like black men. were threats if they resisted or they tried to leave. We also heard this in the charging documents for Jeffries and Abercrombie and Fitch, the CEO. And then you also have Maxwell allegedly played a key role in managing Epstein's properties and schedules, which facilitated his abusive activities. And then she would present during some of the abusive encounters, either participating

or ensuring that the victims complied because she had already built this trusting relationship with them. And she would said, look, if you want to get on his good side, you cannot do this. You cannot act like this. You cannot do this. And I'm guaranteeing you, not guaranteeing. I'm alleging that James Jacobson probably doing very similar things. Yes.

Absolutely. Now, Maxwell and Epstein maintained a high level of secrecy and control over all their victims. And this included non-disclosure agreements like we just talked about, right? What the prosecutor just said, what Jeffries did, non-disclosure agreements, monitoring, and sometimes providing financial incentives or further opportunities to keep the victims in their orbit. And then Maxwell obviously portrayed herself in the public as like a philanthropist and a sociolite who helped him maintain a facade that contrasted with her alleged criminal activities

and this dual life made her effective in grooming victims who might not initially suspect her intentions. And these are all things, guys, like we said before, that have been conspiracy theories for so long, and now it's all coming out in the open to where no longer is it a conspiracy theory, we're just seeing the very tip of the iceberg with how bad this sex trafficking ring is.

And you've got to remember also, because of our open borders, we now have 300 and something thousand children missing and unaccounted for that we have no idea where they're at, and a lot of this is at the hands of the Biden-Harris administration. So I want to get to also a clip of some of the models that actually talked about their experiences at some of these, I guess, events for Abercombe and Finch.

And I want to play, these are models. This is from their mouths what they experienced. And this is before the Jeffries incident ever occurred. This was during the BBC or one of the BBC reports. Listen. I was escorted to the front doors of the bedroom. When I entered that room, the door was closed behind me. My feeling of being in that room was an animal.

I was not a human. to any of these people. I was a body. I was being presented to someone to do what they wanted with. What happened to me changed my life and not for the better. My name's Rihanna. I'm a journalist with the BBC

and I've been carrying out some research about the experiences of models. For almost three years, I've been investigating a dark secret in the US fashion industry. They did recruit men, and they certainly did have sex with them. They could destroy you if they wanted to. We all knew that. At the heart of this secret was one man, the man behind one of the biggest fashion brands in the world. It's probably the darkest experience I've ever dealt with.

He was viewed as a form of genius. The modern-day founder of Abercrombie and Fitch, Mike Jeffries. the head of a very powerful, very wealthy organization. My investigation has taken me across the U.S. By the time the men would have arrived, where were they going to go? I mean, how easy could it have been to have left? Speaking to men who say they were exploited and abused. Yes? Are you rolling?

Take one. I think he's a deviant. I think he's a predator. And I don't think that's what the public has seen. I was overwhelmed. I mean, I've never seen anything like this. What I'd like to talk about is being lied to, tricked and traded like a commodity. Me Too has empowered women to speak out about sexual abuse. Now these men say they want to be heard too.

I think it's rarely considered that men could be a victim of anything. They face a double stigma. And I don't think that men have quite had their Me Too movement. So there is the trailer of the Abercombe guys, a dark side of cool. It is a great documentary by BBC. A lot of their, I guess,

interviews in this really highlights what a lot of these models went through. They were groomed. They were recruited. They had their dignities or whatever stripped away. But you also have to understand, I don't want to say this in a bad. Now, I probably shouldn't even say this.

But all on, I'm saying is, is that the cost of fame oftentimes is not worth it. The cost itself is because someone above you is going to have power and control over you. It is often not merit based. It's often not because you earn it. It's because you have whatever it is that they want for the control and the power. And they know they have the power and control. And this happens all the time.

But this is just the, this is like I said, the tip of the iceberg. and you have to understand how the systems work around the world, even the New World Order. When you think about the New World Order, the one world government, the World Economic Forum, and all of the power and elites and control that is in this organization, in this group, this is how potentially many of them operate. They have to operate on blackmail and control, and they operate on a almost like a cascading effect to where the people underneath them have to suck up to them and do whatever they want them to do to maintain their position. I mean, we even see this in just every day nine to five

work. I mean, you know, you have managers, you have superiors, you have all these people. And if you piss them off or whatever, we see the abuse of power in every single shape, form and fashion nowadays. That's why so many people don't even want to go to the workforce anymore. Because of the elitism that's at the top of a lot of these major companies to where you are a peon, you are a slave to the system. And when you start getting into these positions like this with the with the A and F stuff, with the Diddy stuff, with the music industry, the movie industry, you are at the helm and control of the powerful elite. And you either sell your soul and your body to them or you are not going to be famous because there is a gatekeeper there. And that gatekeeper are people like

P Diddy, like Jeffries, like Epstein, like all these others. And you either go through what I referred to as booty camp, which is very bad. That's a bad analogy, but it's kind of true. You either go through booty camp or soul camp or devil camp or you do not get admitted into the club of the powerful, the almighty, the famous. And once you were admitted to this club, you have obligations. You are not just going through this camp and say, okay, I'm done with you. Now I can do and say whatever I want to say.

No, you can't. No, you are still under our control. and let me tell you something brother you step out of line i got videos on your ass that it'll protect us but it'll make you look really really bad so just understand that so your ass better go and campaign for our people you ass better go and say what we want you to say you better go make the movies we want you to make the movies on you better go and do the gangster rap shit you better go and do whatever we want to do to siphon and to not siphon but to create the narrative of what we want to create.

And so who is at all the top of this? Well, you could say Massad, you could say CIA. A lot of these guys control psychotic, psychoactive narratives of people's minds. We're talking about mass formation psychosis. So oftentimes you think of Mossad or CIA or whatever. They're actively trying to like overthrow governments, but they're doing a lot more shit than that. They're controlling people's thoughts and feelings and even the propaganda and sublims.

liminal advertising and what your kids watch on YouTube and how they watch it and and these creators that are brought up that seem perfectly normal for a while until these kids are instilled trust in these creators for years and then all of a sudden they come out as trans or they come out as this or they come on as this. No wonder why. Yeah. I mean, there are systems everywhere in place to control you as the people. And it's just so sad because this has been going on for generations.

I think about my mom. My mom, that's her dream. She was an actress. You know, ever since she was little, she wanted to be an actress. That's all she wanted to be. She went through all of the forms to become an actress. And she was really close to being like a huge movie star.

But when she said she was going through that, it had some of the similar things that we're talking about now, the sex trafficking thing going on. When you went on a roll call or an audition call, if you did not put out for the direct, or you did not do what they wanted you to do, you did not get the part. Yeah. And that's the way it was back in the 1940s.

My question is, why does this go on? And, you know, just why? Why do people sexually exploit other people when fame is in their mind? Well, because I think you control narratives by the people that you put on platforms to influence others, right? I mean, that's why there is a massive. massive information war right now. And so the people that are going against the narrative, against the agendas, against the system, and especially the people that are not a part of the system, those are the ones

they really want to try to destroy and kill and control. They want to take those people out of the equation because right now there is a massive shift. There is a great awakening. And there's a great awakening because of platforms like X, because of podcasts, because of all these other various things. Now, there's no question they have Facebook controlled, Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat, you name most of the social media platforms. They are all controlled.

With the exception of a few podcast platforms and like one social media platform, which is X. And that is who their battle is against right now. Their battle, the frontline battle of information, World War III is really being fought in way of information. And it's not by China. It's not by Russia. It is by the United States government, the deep state that once. control and want to continue and maintain their grip of power. And the only way you can maintain your grip of power is maintaining the narrative.

And you can only maintain the narrative if you have all the people that are influential, telling everyone else the masses, this is what it's like. This is what it really is. This is how it's supposed to be. This is who I'm voting for. This is all these things. And now that you have all these huge influencers that are ripping away from the system and say, no, we don't want that.

We don't want the bullshit that you were now. realize him that you have been subjecting us to for years. And so now the frontline battle, which is the exactly why they're telling people that Americans now are domestic terrorists. These are the people we've got to worry about. It's not China, it's not Russia. The threat to democracy, as they call it, aka when they say democracy, by the way, they mean the threat to the system is at stake.

Every time Kamala Harris or the deep state or any of the politicians say the threat to democracy. They mean the threat to the system. Now, we are a constitutional republic in the United States of America. You wouldn't realize that if you actually check out what's actually going on and how our government is ran nowadays. We are no longer a constitutional republic. I mean, that's what we're supposed to be. That's not what we are. And we are a system of bureaucracy. We are a system of control. We are a system of money. We are a system of the military industrial complex, the biopharmacetical complex, the mass industrial information complex, which is what I just made up, but I think that's very true. Right.

You have an industrial information complex, the mass media propaganda network, the state-run media. That is who we're against. And we're just these little peons right now trying our best to fight on the front lines of this. And thank God that we have so many reinforcements that's coming in. And thank God for people like Elon Musk that spent 40-something billion dollars to have a platform to where people can still get out information. And I want to tell you, no matter what you think about Elon Musk, just understand Elon Musk in the realm of what I'm talking about right now.

How important he actually is because without- For our democracy. No. For our freedoms, for our right to speak, for everything. We have to have somewhere to talk. We have to have a public square. Yes, you have to have free speech. And that's the problem. And it just is crazy the way it is because even if we elect Donald Trump, is he going to be

able to drain the swamp, drain the elites. Get rid of all these people that are actually in charge. Because that's why, let's just be honest, that's why they hate Trump because he's not in the same. He's not a puppet. And they don't have their strings over him. And he's not going to do what they want him to do. And that's why they hate him.

Well, it's because he's a billionaire. So he doesn't need their money, number one. But is he going to be able to stop what's going on himself alone? as a president of the United States. I really doubt it. Well, let me tell you, I mean, you know, Elon Musk is a billionaire as well. They're going after him because he's not a part of their system and they can't control him. Now, you think about people like Mark Cuban right now that's campaigning heavy for Kamala Trump

and, I mean, Kamala Trump. Holy shit. Sorry, guys. Sorry, sorry, Trump. Yeah, sorry, Trump. Oh, my God. Kamala Trump. He is campaigning heavily for Kamala Harris.

And it's so funny because this dude I thought knew so much. much about business and the economy. Obviously, he doesn't. Or at the very least, they have something very dark on him. And that's the only thing I can think of. Maybe they do. I don't know. But there's a reason why he's campaigning so heavily for Kamala.

And he's supposed to be the shark tank guy that knows all about the economy and how things work. Obviously, he doesn't. Because if you're going for Kamala, then you're obviously going against economy. So. Well, and I wanted to mention too real quick, you know, there was this Me Too movement of women saying It's my body, you know, talking about all this stuff, all the rape that was going on with women. Yeah.

And during this whole time, I don't think we really understood that men can be raped as well. And men are on the sidelines. Well, you know, you're just so hard because when you think about a man being raped, it's hard to rape a man because a man has to get an erection or whatever. You know, they have to do their part to be raped. But there's other ways to be raped, too, besides having an erection. As we just heard with Jeffries. Yes. And I think that, you know, a lot of times when we put men on the side that they can't be raped, but that's not true. Men can be raped. And you heard it in that last.

The prosecution. Yeah. And it just, it ruined these people's lives for the rest of their lives. Yeah, for sure. No, I 100% agree with that. And I want to move on too right now to Mike Jeffries. Now, Mike Jeffries, obviously, as we're talking about the former CEO of Abercombe. Jeffries have been linked to Les Wexner.

Now, Les Wexner is a major financier of Abercombe and a known associate of Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, my gosh, go figure. So Wexner and Epstein's connections date back to the 1990s when Wexner granting Epstein's significant financial control. Although Wexner denied knowing anything about Epstein's criminal activities. Epstein was involved in key financial decisions for companies under Wexner's control, including Abercombe and Pitt, right? Isn't that weird?

Now, the alleged sexual exploitation by Jeffrey shares eerie parallels with Epstein's operation, given the power dynamics, the use of modeling as a front and the global scale of abuse. Now, this connection has raised suspicions that the exploitation within the Abercombeian Finch during Jeffrey's tenure might be part of a broader network associated with Epstein's activities. Now, I want to also get to this real quick. as we're talking about Wexner listen to this short clip because I think this kind of brings some stuff to light and you'll start to understand just a little bit more

and then I got to get to our boy Ian Carroll. He obviously did a piece on this and Ian Carroll goes down to rabbit holes and I was going to myself tell you about all of these celebrities that have been involved with Abercrombie and Fitch and I think Ian does a pretty decent job at this

but let's get into this short clip right now as far as Wexner and Jeffrey's connection. And remember, he's connected to Epstein. Absolutely. That's crazy. Here you go. A few years later, Acosta claimed that Jeffrey Epstein's very mild sentencing came as a result of higher-ups who told Acosta that Epstein was connected to intelligence.

But there's yet another level to this story. Wes Wexner and Jeffrey Epstein operated in this inner world of very, very wealthy men who were staunch backers of Israel and who are rumored to have various connections to the Mossad. In fact, Galeen Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, was said to have been connected to the mass. Mossad through Israeli intelligence. I remember post-9-11.

When Lesk came into the store, he had a bulletproof vest on and always had a lot of security with him. We knew that he was very involved in Israel. That was what we were sort of told, why there was so much security for him then. It was kind of a big deal, but it was pretty regular. Les was, oh, we say, huge pro-Israel endorser and gave a great, great deal of money to many charities and through the Wexner Foundation. Epstein was always in the background, moving money around on behalf of Wexner.

And Wexner's money was the engine for organizations which had enormous political influence. So that's very, very scathing, right? We've heard about Epstein as connections to CIA and Mossad. But, you know, many wonder, well, what does Massad have to do with sex trafficking in rings, potentially or allegedly, right? What would Epstein or Wexner or even Jeffreys have anything to do with Mossad especially? Well, the allegations or the conspiracy theories abound about Mossad is that they use blackmail on U.S. politicians to gain global influence.

Okay, so that is the conspiracy theories. So, you know, all of the, and listen, we don't know if this is true. We're just telling you the theories. That's it. And what we're saying here is, as much as we talk crap about the CIA, which we do all the time, because they are a very, very corrupt agency, just like the FBI is a very, very corrupt agency. And we also know that Mossad is, we've talked about Mossad comparison between CIA. They are one of the most advanced and intelligent agencies in the world. But, you know, the conspiracy theories out there will just say this and we'll leave it at this, is that potentially you may have people like Epstein or other.

others that could be utilized in blackmail schemes to gain control over global influence of a particular nation. That's all we're saying. We don't know if it's true, but that's just what the allegations and conspiracy theories are. Now, without further ado, because I want to get to this, I want to get into Ian Carroll's piece on this entire Abercromb issue. Here is Ian Carroll. And it only takes like three minutes on Wikipedia to realize that this is connected directly

to Jeffrey Epstein. Hence the Epstein Network's shirt. So the former Abercrombie CEO, Mike Jeffries, was just charged with sex trafficking and interstate prostitution. And the article is basically just all summer what is described in this 10-page indictment that was just filed. It names three co-conspirators, Jeffries, the ex-CEO of Abercrombie, his gay lover, who I think is his husband or partner for a long time. And then one other man that was like their senior manager of this trafficking operation. And real quick, a funny tidbit. That third guy, whose name is James T. Jacobson, I assume it's Todd. He's also known as Jim Jake or Mrs. Cook or Todd. I wonder why they're calling him Mrs. Cook, giving shades of ditty right now. But anyways, basically, it's an international sex trafficking and

prostitution business where they were using the modeling arm of Abercrombie and Fitch to trick young men into basically saying, we'll give you a job if you, you know, do a little dittling. And then they would fly the good ones out to sex events all around the world. And they would say that that could yield modeling opportunities with Abercrombie or otherwise benefit their careers. But they also threatened that if you didn't comply and go to these sex events, then you wouldn't get modeling opportunities and it would harm your career and you would be blacklisted from the industry, more or less. So it alleges that they would have a private tryout with Jeffries or these other higher up older men. And if they were good enough, then they would get the modeling job and they

would be given an itinerary for what was actually a sex event, but the itinerary is. And the itinerary appeared as though it was just a regular photo shoot trip that they would fly somewhere into a photo shoot. And so they were being tricked into like, oh, you did that one thing. And now you're all clear. You got the job. Fly over to that other country. You're going to take lots of photos. It's going to be great. Surprise, you are now at a freak off. They required the men to sign non-disclosure agreements. And they alleged they intentionally recruited heterosexual men, certain of whom were unwilling to engage in particular acts. and then they coerced, forced, trapped them in until they complied with certain things, as in they literally had staff that ensured that men attending did not leave the events

until Jeffries and Smith decided they were over. And there's all kinds of other things like how they injected their dicks to make them be able to participate if they were not otherwise capable. There's lots of other details about how this went down, don't need to go into all of it. It's worth noting that it appears, my read of what's in this indictment is makes it seem as though this is based upon the testimony of, I think, 12 witnesses who were men that were victims of this scheme that have come forward. And so what is in this indictment is limited to what they saw and experienced. This indictment does not necessarily allege that they were like selling the services to other people or like actually like trafficking in a broader sense.

but I suspect they were. It's kind of ambiguous in the language used in here. It kind of frames this as though if this was all for Jeffrey's pleasure, but it kind of also implies that this was not all just for him. But anyways, the Jeffrey Epstein connection. I put all these notes directly into my Jeffrey Epstein note file because the connection is right there.

Because in 1988, Abercrombie and Fitch was bought by the Limited, now known as L Brands, the company that owns Victoria's Secret, and then they put Jeffries in charge basically right after. He was their guy. And if you're not familiar with The Limited, that is Leslie Wexner's brand directly. We'll get to the Jeffrey. I've seen stuff here in just a second. But I wanted to also mention for all of you millennials out there

that Hollister was started as a subsidiary of Abercrombie and Fitch. They're the same company. Hollister, it's funny to note, Hollister claims in their marketing and branding founded in 1922, Hollister, California. And that's a fucking lie. They were founded in the year 2000 in Ohio by Abercrombie and Fitch. So if you're a millennial and you remember going to the mall to hang out with your friends and Hollister and Abercrombie were right across from each other and you like literally got

cancer just from smelling the perfume as you walked by, that was the same company on both sides there and both were literally running a giant sexual trafficking ring. On behalf of Leslie Wexner, who put the dude in, like the dude who's just been charged was his guy, who he put in as CEO. Leslie Wexner was Jeffrey Epstein's boy. They were tied at the hip. They only mentioned Jeffrey Epstein five times on Leslie Wexner's Wikipedia page, and they try to kind of sterilize it to make it sound like it's like, oh, who's

just like a little bit of money management, but no, it was not. I mean, he just retained him as a financial manager from that year to that year. It wasn't that big a deal. I mean, he only granted Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over all of his assets, which like, let's pause for a second and unpack what that means. By the way, I'm going to pause for a second because he, Wexner, sorry, Epstein was over Wexner's financials from 1987 to 2007. That is a very long. long time. So you got to understand that Epstein was not just some, you know, acquaintance of Wexner.

Yeah. This was a main dude for Wexner. And then you, you know, as, as Ian Carroll says here, I grew up in the night, well, the 80s, 90s, especially the 90s when you're going to Hollister, you're going to Abercrombie. And I remember Hollister was a huge thing when I was like in middle school. And the limited for women. I went to all those stores. Yeah.

And you were not cool unless you had their name brand. Yeah, exactly. And especially for young dudes, right? Hollister was the thing. And that's why when you would go into Hollister, you know, they always employed, or they tried to employ, you know, if you, if you want like discrimination. Yeah, really good looking people. Yeah. Yeah.

They didn't unemployed necessarily ugly people at Hollister or Abercrombie. So, you know, that's just the base level, your local mall. They tried to find the nice. looking people and employed them. And then, you know, you would go to Hollister or some of these other places. They always offer you their colognes and, you know, show you their stuff. And a lot of the guys would be wearing the tight shirts and all that stuff. The girls would also be wearing very similar outfits and attire.

So I wanted to make it clear because Ian Carroll is making it clear on the video, although he's not saying it. But yes, Epstein was managing money for Wexner from 87 to 2007. So, yeah. Yeah. And these are the shops we all visited. Yeah. It is crazy. It is pretty crazy.

But let's listen to what Ian Carroll continues. That means that Les Wexner, the owner of Victoria's Secret and all of L. brands, including Abercrombie and Fitch, gave Jeffrey Epstein complete power over every single asset in his life. All of his billions of dollars, Jeffrey Epstein was allowed to send as much money as he wanted, anywhere that he wanted at any time without Leslie's oversight. He could open companies in Leslie's name. He could sell companies in Leslie's name.

he had complete control over everything Leslie owned if he wanted to exercise it. Okay? And to be clear, this was a Mossad operation. This was an Israeli operation. Just to be clear. Anyone who's still trying to argue that has clearly not done their research. And we can talk about that another time. I mean, for starters, right here in my screenshot,

we've also got Ahud Barak, one of his other good buddies who was his Israeli handler back in the days when he was trafficking weapons for on behalf of Israel, got that's when he went from banking into trafficking weapons into trafficking young women and boys. So like, Ehud Barack, the ex-prime minister of Israel at the time he was the head of Israeli intelligence. So anyways, a little bit more about Leslie Wexner,

who owns Victoria's Secret, L. Brands, and Abercrombian Fitch, who put this guy in, and his demon, self-proclaimed demon possession. Because although they, I mean,

they skim right over all the Jeff Rebtsin stuff on his Wikipedia page, but they at least mention this New York Magazine profile, in 1985 where he talked about being possessed by a D-Book, or however you say it in Yiddish, I don't know. The Wikipedia page is okay, but Whitney Webb did a way better job on this one. It's one of my favorite chapters from One Nation Under Blackmail Volume 2,

The Dark Side of Wexner's Philanthropy, Wexner and his D-Book. And Wexner self-identified. He was telling the story of how he was possessed by this D-Book spirit that drove him to success. But a D-Book in like Yiddish folklore, as defined by Encyclopedia Britannica, a D-Book is a Jewish folklore term for a disembodied human spirit that because of former sins wanders restlessly until it finds a haven in the body of a living person. Unlike spirits that have yet to move on but possess positive qualities such as the Magid or Ibuhr, the D-Book is almost always considered to be malicious, which leads it to be translated in English as demon. All kinds of other interesting bits here. So anyways, one of the most powerful Jewish philanthropists in the world who was extremely tied to Israel, who basically founded what became birthright Israel, as well as so many other pieces of like pro-Israel philanthropy,

he funded and put together the Jeffrey Epstein Sex Trafficking Network and then basically helped, like, gave Jeff Epstein everything he needed to manage it and to operate that. But not only that, he also, in addition to owning Victoria's Secret, I'm sure there's lots more to come out there, also bought Abercrombie and Fitch and installed his guy in charge of Abercrombie and Fitch. And that guy just got indicted for running his own interstate sex trafficking and prostitution ring. This one focused on young men. Oh, and by the way, I forgot to mention that when Jeffries took over in 1990s, he specifically refocused the brand on the teen customer. He rebranded Abercrombie and Fitch and founded Hollister in order to target teen boys and girls.

Remember, these are some of the biggest companies in the world. They're right there in your shopping malls. They're right there in your daily lives. They are operating sex trafficking ranks. What do you think that means about all the other suspicious stuff we see, all the other conspiracy theories? You might want to start rethinking your worldview a little bit. Yep, I agree, Ian. And he's right, too.

Even with Victoria's Secret, they have what's called. pink in Victoria's Secret. And that goes towards the teens. Yeah. Yeah. You think about all these other shops that you go to, the limited Hollister, Abercombeian Fitch. That is all geared towards younger people.

Yeah. And listen, like we said, this is all alleged. This is all for entertainment purposes only. We do not know for sure anything. Every charge. All the companies, we don't know, right? We don't know who was involved. We don't know how they were involved.

We're just presenting the. the theories and the thoughts and opinions of us that we are starting to uncover and others like Ian and some of these other people. But we don't know exactly what's going on. But we at the very least want you guys to think about this. And listen, this might jog your memory a little bit. ABC News reporter talking about these sex trafficking rings by elites. These are the same reporter from ABC News.

This was 2017. and then recently. Listen, very short clip, but listen to the difference. I guess just because sex trafficking is real doesn't mean the conspiracy theory around it is. Well, I think there's plenty of evidence out there. I keep getting sent heinous videos all the time of children being trafficked. The difference is not that child sex trafficking doesn't exist, but that there is a deep state conspiracy.

that is trafficking in these young children. Shocking arrest of the man who helped launch Abercrombie and Fitch to must-wear brand status. The accusers numbering more than a dozen. Their allegations horrifying. Same reporter, by the way. Conspiracy theory, these elites are trafficking. And then later on, she has to report on Jeffries. I think it's hilarious.

Well, it's just so scary because it seems like it's an umbrella of, you know, really popular companies under the main company. Yeah. You know, and to know that Jeffrey Epstein had anything to do with that, and then now these guys are being charged. Let's talk about this as well. Here are some celebrities that modeled for Abercrombie and Fitch.

We're talking about Jennifer Lawrence before her rise to fame. Jennifer Lawrence appeared in an Abercrombie and Fitch campaign. Also, Channing Tatum. Tatum modeled for Abercombe in the early days of his career. Taylor Swift. She appeared in a catalog for, the brand early in her music career. Ashton Coutcher.

Coochard modeled for Abercombe before he became a well-known actor. Oh, wait. What do we know about Ashton Coucher? What is a... Is there something else that we've heard about him? Oh, P. Diddy. Is he a good friend of P.D.D.A. Oh, maybe he is.

Whatever. Jamie Dornon, the 50 Shades of Grey Star. Oh, go figure. Olivia Wald, actress Olivia Wilde, who is also posed for Abercrombie and Fitch and Pinned Badgley, Gossip Girl star. Pin Badgley was featured in. in the campaign as well. And you also have hundreds of others that have went on to total fame.

Is this an Illuminati? Is this what Illuminati actually is? Is this sex trafficking ring to where they get dirt on you? And as long as you go along with their plan, with their freakoffs or whatever the hell they call these things nowadays, they promise you fame and fortune. This is literally the concept of the Illuminati. You sell your soul to us.

And then we will make you fame. We will give you everything you want. This has been the biggest conspiracy theory ever for years and years and years about this cultism, elitism group that as long as you're a part of the Illuminati and you sell your soul and you do these things for the elites, then you get fame and fortune. And it sounds so much like what we're talking about right now is the Illuminati. Yeah, it's just maybe that is the name for it, right? Maybe that is the hierarchy name for this. Yeah, maybe this is the big umbrella is the Illuminati on top of everything. Yeah.

So like I said, I think we're only at the top of the eye, yeah, the tip of the iceberg. I think there's going to be maybe so much more come out. But the big question in all this is, why is it all coming out before the election? Are they trying to distract this for something else? Or are they trying to control the information? That's the question. Well, I know this report came out in 2003 from BBC. They're the ones that uncovered all this.

Yeah, all of the Jeffrey stuff. Yeah. And they're the ones that came out with it. So I understand why that's coming out because they did a huge thing. That girl, she investigated for three years. Yeah. It's also interesting how BBC went after Andrew Tate. You remember Andrew Tate in the BBC?

And so, you know, we've had a few episodes on Andrew Tate. You guys can go back and research those. We probably had two or three episodes. The first episode, by the way, you know, I 100% don't agree with how he talks about women and kind of how he portrays himself and how he, it's almost like he wants to masculine himself in the way that he treats women. And I think that that is a bad thing to teach young men that women are lesser than on a mass level. You know, all this stuff.

I don't, I don't agree with all that stuff. But, you know, he was one that was speaking out against the system and all this stuff. And then they went after him for sex trafficking and all this. Although yet to see, we have not actually had any real true evidence of the sex trafficking, but that was the biggest story for like, what, a year and a half now? When yet you have all of these other actual elites that are really sex trafficking stuff. I just don't know why they're going after these. Like I said, unless they know there's something sinister behind the scenes from the other side

to where maybe some of these people are going to the other side, the other side as far as the anti-deep state, the people like us, the people like the Great Awakening. Right, right. Maybe some of these people are going to highly influential people on that side and they are talking to those people. And so maybe the other side, the deep state side got the word of that. And they said, well, we're going to start doing something. Yeah, we got to start controlling.

Control. Exactly. We got to start controlling the information. We got to bring in some of the main leaders that we have sent out into the world. And as long as we have them in custody, in prison and all those things, then we can do whatever. We can control it then. That's my opinion, potentially what's happening. But like you said, this is the tip of the iceberg.

I think it's so much bigger than what we even know, which is so scary to believe because you think about your whole life going to like these nice stores where you're wearing their clothes and you're proud to wear there's clothes, the clothes. Meanwhile, it's all a whole sex trafficking episode going on. And like I said, we do not know the extent of all the companies we've talked about. We don't know. We do not know how much they knew or didn't know. We did not know how much they were involved or not.

Was Jeffrey's independent person that was just solely involved in the sex trafficking ring? No, he wasn't because it says in the indictment that they paid a salary. Yeah, I get that. But also you also understand, obviously, you know, they did also say, to your point, Sherry, is that they did, I guess, pay off some of these victims. So obviously they knew more than what they're going to try to pretend like they knew. But as far as like the other companies, Hollisher, all these, we don't. no, right? I mean, we do know they were bought out by Abercrombie, but were they participate in? Does that mean all of the people in the company is bad or all the

leadership? No, it doesn't. But oftentimes, it seems like that these massive corporations that are worldwide brands are used for, for a guise to what their actual purposes potentially are. We don't know. And thinking about Victoria's Secret for a minute, that was my favorite place to go. I love going there. I love even the clothes there, pink everything but did you guys hear that they had a new runway coming out finally like they haven't had any like you know and i'm talking about the runway where they do the models and stuff but they're going to have their first transgender models oh yeah i did see that yeah the transgender uh victoria secret model i just wonder what is your opinion about that yeah very

interesting i don't know it's very interesting to say the least guys that's going to be it for us we do have Joe Rogan on, or sorry, Donald Trump on Joe Rogan tomorrow. We will probably be breaking that down if it's actually a good episode, which I feel like it probably will. I'm very curious to see how Joe responds and talks to Donald Trump. And we know that Kamala Harris already said that she will not be going on Joe Rogan, but we will cover that episode probably tomorrow. So guys, until next time, we love you.

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