Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Abolishing Cash Bail with Attorney Ken Good| Globalist Crime Push Conspiracy Podcast

Episode Date: August 29, 2023

The ACLU has highlighted a significant decision by the state supreme court, emphasizing the delicate balance between safety and freedom in Illinois. However, the implications for the safety of Americans raise important questions. Could the elimination of cash bail potentially expose more individuals to the threat of violent crimes in the United States? Some view this as a substantial movement driven by globalist forces aiming to sow disorder and reshape the nation. To delve into this matter, we are joined by Attorney Ken Good in this episode. He will shed light on the far-reaching effects that many fear might arise from what is perceived as an ideological drive to release criminals without appropriate accountability, potentially altering the fabric of American society. All of this and more on this episode of Abolishing Cash Bail with Attorney Ken Good| Globalist Crime Push Conspiracy Podcast

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What's up guys? Welcome to the podcast. I think you could not have picked a better song for this interview than this song Because Absolutely. Yeah, because he rises up and he is going to stick for America. Absolutely, yeah.

I just really love this interview coming up. Yeah, guys, the name of this song is the lights Laudito. If you want to go follow this artist, great artist, great song. And part of that song, if you listen to the beginning of it, and we're going to actually play the song, Innocentarity at the end of this show. But it talks about when we rise up, right? We got to rise up as people. We got to rise up.

We have to have those captains on the battlefield. We have to have those knights in shining armor that are out there against evil, out there against the agenda and the narrative. And our podcast guest that we have on tonight is Attorney Ken Good from Texas. He is the one out there fighting every single day against Bell Reform, against what they are trying to do to release criminals on the streets to where they are going to go and potentially kill or harm your family. This is the reason why we cannot visit cities like Chicago and New York. Los Angeles and San Francisco is because of the agenda. And what I believe is the globalist New World Order agenda to basically create chaos. And this is something that Ken says in the interview.

Now, Ken is not a conspiracy theorist. He's an attorney fighting his ass off for the good of people. And Ken doesn't have to be a conspiracy theorist. He's just rational. He's an attorney. He's a dude that is factual. Yes. he's a factual guy

and he's out there fighting for all of us and I think this interview is great I think that you guys should definitely go support him on his podcast he's going to talk about that in the interview so please listen to that Ken once again we want 100%

appreciate him doing what he does and fighting for the people you know it's very similar to Dr. Peter McCullough um it's you know Dr. Peter McCullough was fighting for people um You know, during the COVID pandemic.

And Ken's doing this as far as the bell reform and the criminal justice system. And so a lot of what Ken talks about is, for those of you that have heard about what's happening in San Francisco, what's happening in Los Angeles, what's happening in Chicago and New York, to where they are letting criminals out on the streets and sometimes they're arrested multiple times in a day or a week. This is what Ken is fighting against. And guys, we're not going to do this intro very long. but listen go follow us on Twitter go follow us on Instagram

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here is Ken Good great episode great interview absolutely enjoy it yeah enjoy it good support Ken all right everybody welcome to the interview here with Ken Good from Texas, attorney Ken Good. Ken, how have you been? I've been great.

It's good to talk to you all again. It's been a while. Yeah, it has been quite a bit. I think it's probably been a year maybe or more. It was really during the Black Lives Matter movement kind of, or right after that. Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, right about a little bit over a year, maybe. Yeah, for sure.

Ken, I'm going to let you kind of introduce yourself here shortly, but I kind of want to just preface what we're talking about. Obviously the intro we're going to tell as well, but this is basically a monumental thing that has happened, Illinois's first state to eliminate cash bell, which is a penalty affecting low-income communities most is what the AP News is reporting. That's what we're going to be talking about with Ken Good. Ken, tell us a little bit about your background. Tell us kind of what your agenda is and what you're trying to accomplish. I know Bell Reform is really big for you, but tell us a little bit about yourself where you're from. kind of your background and what you're trying to kind of do with bail reform and this whole issue.

Well, if you look at the state of Texas and you just put your finger right in the middle of it, there's a little town called Gorman, Texas, population 1258 when I was growing up, a little farming town. My parents were public school teachers. They always taught us the importance of an education. And so my mom and I used to watch Perry Mason on Sunday nights after the new sports extra. And so I just had this dream of going to law school. And so I went to college, graduated in three years. I got a master's degree, and then I went to law school.

I graduated from law school in 1989. I started out representing doctors in the hospitals when they got sued. I always had an interest in legal issues in appellate work, which is you go to the courts of appeals to argue what the trial court did right or wrong. I got a pretty good reputation early on for arguing cases at the appellate level. I argued my first case at the Supreme Court of Texas within four or five years, which is unheard of. And then I started representing bail bondsmen. Someone had 45 default judgments, and someone asked, hey, who do you hire for that?

And they said, we need an appellate lawyer, so they called me. And then I, word of mouth spread, I started representing more bondsmen and insurance companies throughout Texas. And then, you know, with this bail reform movement, the industry started getting a lot of questions about it. We had to become experts on these issues. And the reason why we do is because a lot of the stuff you hear in the news is not the whole story. You know, every seems like everybody today has an agenda. So I continue my love of appellate work. I've argued the two most important cases in the bail industry in Texas in the last 20 years at the Court of Criminal Appeals,

which is the highest court for criminal cases in Texas and won both of those cases. So I go to the legislature talking about bail issues, criminal justice issues. I'm on the board of directors of the professional bondsman of Texas, which is the voice of the bail industry in Texas. I'm on their legislative team. And so I've written a lot of articles on the bail issues across the country. And this is something that I have become very fluent. I guess if I was speaking French, I speak bail.

And this is an issue that I think is very important to our community because what's good for the criminal justice system is always good for the bail industry and what's bad for the bail industry. Incredibly, whether you believe it or not, is bad for the criminal justice system. And it's been proven over and over again. Absolutely. Well, let me ask you. So obviously you started as an attorney kind of representing bail bondsman, right?

So this was an issue for you that was more so, I don't know if the right word is protecting the bell industry or whatever is. But at some point in time, did it, I guess, kind of shift, and I'm trying to ask this question the best way I know how, did it at some point in time shift for just the fact of it is bad for our country rather than just the bell industry? Well, you know, in the legal world when you're representing somebody, either, you know, there's been an issue that's arisen. that or there's been a disagreement that you've got to really go negotiate a resolution for or a lot of you know the bail legal work would be hey you've got this case that's been filed you know what the result is so it's really just a coordination it's a personal relationship but i think what really struck home to me was there was a case filed in federal court in houston which was the first time i went and saw a federal judge talking about bail reform issues.

And I came walking out of that courtroom after that hearing, just completely alarmed. And I started calling clients and bail insurance companies and saying, we're going to have to become experts on these issues because this judge didn't know anything about bail. And what she is, what she does knows is wrong. And this is going to be very bad for the criminal justice system. This can be very bad for the bail industry. And now, let's fast forward five or six years. years and the Fifth Circuit entered an issued opinion not only reversing that case, but ultimately

even saying it should have never been filed in federal court. And so that's a big change over six years. Wow. Well, what's interesting is you said that, you know, what media is playing is not really what you're seeing. People don't see on TV what's really going on. And for people like everyday people like me, Ken, can you just say, explain real quick, what is bail reform? What does that mean and what does it mean to citizens around the world? Or especially the country. Well, let me, let me start by saying, you know, there was a town hall in the last month on News Nation, and they brought in a bunch of mayors. And so one of the mares was the mayor from North Carolina, from Durham, North Carolina. I think her name was

O'Neill. And they asked her about bail reform and she said, you know, bail reform means you have to have an alternative, an alternative that has the same level of accountability. And there is nothing that is currently out there that has the same appearance rate that will get criminals to court and it's and it doesn't have the same accountability. Therefore, she said,

and this was a Democrat, she said, So we don't have an alternative to the current bail system, the private industry, without hurting the criminal justice system. So what is bail reform? You know, in a lot of places in our country, it's turned into a de facto decriminalization. I mean, look at California. We're going to reclassify some felonies to misdemeanors. And really, then we have DA say we're no longer going to prosecute a misdemeanor theft

under $950 and suddenly we have rampant shoplifting and then we have businesses who say we can't we can't withstand $25,000 a day in shoplifting and then we have businesses that say we can't provide a safe work environment around the building where our employees work so we're telling our employees to stay home and so what is bell reform? Bell reform really right now is de facto decriminalization in my opinion. Yeah, absolutely. Just to kind of preface a little bit about what we're talking about, and obviously this is a landmark ruling from Illinois. Illinois became the first state in the nation to eliminate cash bell as a condition of pre-trial release from jail.

And this was, I guess, what, last Tuesday when the state Supreme Court upheld the constitutionally of the law, basically abolishing cash bail. Obviously, Illinois is a state where we've had a lot of issues with crime. I mean, you look at Chicago as one of the leading cities in the United States for gun violence. for violent crimes, you name it. As you were talking about California, you know, there's, you know,

they're trying to get people to work from home because it's not safe to commute to work. There are, I believe Walgreens, in large part, has left a lot of the cities, especially San Francisco. Because of that,

950 and under, you know, everything was running rampant as far as shoplifting goes. But what, like how monumental is the ruling in Illinois as far as the cash bell goes. And how dangerous is it for the people right now in Illinois? Is this going to be a massive uptick in crime?

Is this something that, you know, even people outside of the inner city, Chicago, and people like that are going to have to worry about? Well, you know, I think Illinois is the perfect example of what you hear on the news is not the reality. Because, you know, while the statement, Illinois got rid of cash bail is technically, a true statement. It doesn't mean what you think it means. So crime has been running amok in Chicago for a long time in Illinois for years.

Well, the reason for that is they got rid of the private bail industry 10, 15 years ago. And so the only thing that was left were cash bonds, where the defendant was required to post cash in the full cash or 10% cash, which I called the worst of both worlds.

Because Illinois started relied upon that cash to run courts or in part to run the daily operations of the courts. So they were relied upon the failure of defendants to appear to use that money to operate their courts. And so they needed failure. They could not do anything. They had to give them a new cash bond so that they would fail to appear again so that they could use that money to. run the courts. What they just got rid of was that little bit. And why do I say that's the worst of both worlds? Because a cash bond or a 10% bond where you're paying it to the county is the worst option because you have nobody supervising the defendant. No private industry bondsman

is saying, hey, do you know when your court date is? Here's when it is. Are you going to court? Do I need to get you? And then after they fail to appear, no one's going to look for them. They just issue a warrant that goes down to the warrants department and joins the tens of thousands of other warrants waiting to be served. What Illinois had argued a decade ago is, well, we're just getting rid of the middleman when we got rid of the private industry. But that assumes the private industry didn't do anything but collect money. They didn't replace all the things that the private industry did. And that's the reason why crime has increased over the last 10 years. and now you're just seeing the straw that broke the camel's back because now you're going to not even because they haven't increased in funding to replace the money that they're going to lose from these cash bonds and so you're going to see crime going to even worse because what does this do it creates chaos it creates chaos there's no accountability there's no punishment when you fail to appear for court criminals know that they realize they can commit more crime and so it will in in the end it will

force the courts to dismiss more and more cases because every day, on average, they have the same number of cases added to their conveyor belt. If they can't get on resolved or if the conveyor belt that slows down, then you just have chaos, backlogs increase or the shutdown of the criminal justice system. They dismiss cases to prevent the collapse of the criminal justice system. And you are so right about that. And it always has been doing that for a long time. They've already been discounting crime for years. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

I was just going to say, you're so right about that because I had a great opportunity to be a juror this summer. And we had a full docket of court cases. And when they saw all of us come in and they said it's because they were intimidated by the jurors, which I don't believe. But they dismissed all of the cases, but two. And they had a full day's docket. And they dismissed all the cases. Yes. I mean, we're seeing that, and, you know, Harris County has tried some of these reports.

You see that in California. I've talked to two DAs on my podcast, and they said in misdemeanor courts, across the state of California, they have 80% failure to appear rates, and the courts can't do anything to hold them accountable. They don't arrest misdemeanor people anymore. They just give them a ticket. So the criminals realize that they learn really fast. There's nothing you can do about it.

Ha, ha, ha, ha. And they commit more crime. Yeah, absolutely. What are the legitimate arguments that suggest that cash bail services or serves as a deterrent, I guess, against certain type of criminal behavior? Is there an argument for, and I know we've kind of talked about that, but what is the main argument for the deterrence of criminal activity with cash bail? Yeah, because I always thought that when they got a cash bail, that they had people like dog the bounty hunter going after them. Well, they have bounty hunter. Well, you know, that is one of the reasons why you want to use the bail industry.

It's not because of dog. Dog's not a bondsman. Yeah. I mean, we would call him a recovery agent. But a bondsman, if you fail to appear, the bondsman has an incentive to get you back to court as quickly as possible. And so most of the time, it's because of the personal relationship that the bondsman has with the defendant. They can call him. They say, hey, you miss court.

this is what you can expect. I'll go with you to court. You know, it's not going to be what you think. So they're not going to run and get scared. But without the private industry, they get scared, they run, they hide. And so they have to commit another crime to be brought back into the system. But I would say, you know, what is the biggest argument for the bail industry? I would say as a result of COVID, we have a new study out from Yolo County, California.

and that DA did a comparison of people released on Simple Release, which would be the equivalent of what they're going to be released on in Illinois versus people released on Shirtie Bell. And he found that people released on Simple Release had a 200% greater chance of committing violent crime in the next 18 months versus somebody released on a private industry Shirti Bahl. I mean, to me, that's the best example of why you want people released on a surety bond, more accountability, somebody is supervising, somebody's notifying

the court. I mean, I tell courts all the judges all the time. If you don't care, if someone shows up for court, then you don't need it. And if you care whether defendants show up for court, then you want to encourage as many as possible to be on a private industry bond. Absolutely. Well, let me ask you, I mean, and we may go down a little rabbit hole here because I think our audience, yeah, I think our audience, you know, our audience, I already know you guys are out there listening right now, and you're probably asking when are we going to get to the real questions, right? And one of the questions I'm sitting here kind of thinking about is, number one, don't know your politics, don't care to know your politics, but the question here is, is that how is this

politically motivated? Is there a political motive, motive, motivation, sorry, is there a political motivation to the elimination of cash bail? And is this a systematic problem that is taken over the country? Because it seems like, you know, you hear about a lot of these DAs that are heavily funded by Soros, a lot of Soros funding getting in a lot of these far-left DAs that are just doing whatever they can to release criminals on the streets. They don't want to prosecute. They dismiss cases all the time. What is the political motivation behind, just from what you see from the bond side of this? Well, you know, I'm going to make a weird, I'm going to start by saying, you know, probably about four or five, six elections ago.

Six months before the national election, you would see something happen, it would be exploited, you would see protests, and you would see politicians from the left say, dear minority group, you are being mistreated, you need to get angry, and you need to come out in force and vote, and you need to vote this way. And they would do that. And then after the election, everything would return to status quo. It was like it was just a freaking rhetoric. And then after a couple of election cycles, I think the supporters, the base, recognized that.

And so they started electing what I would call the true believers. And the true believers don't care what the consequences are. And they believe that we need to break down the system. And I think there's some people with good intentions that think that we need to be, more lenient on people. And I think that makes up the coalition. But I think currently, especially in our urban cities, we have a history where a lot of our,

even if our elected officials think that they've gone too far, they can't admit it. I mean, you can go look at this and see it clearly in California, where we started with lawsuits saying, well, you're not providing proper medical care for your people in your state prison. So a three-judge panel ordered them to either include, their jail capacities, their prison capacity, or decrease their prison inmates to 137.5% of their capacity.

And so over the next few years, they refused to bill more jail. So they started going through policies that would reduce the jail population. They took some from the state prison and put them in the county prisons. Well, then the county's got sued saying they were not providing improper medical care. So the court started ordering them to be released. And then you saw Prop 47, which we've already talked about. We changed some felonies to misdemeanors, and then prosecutors decided they weren't going to prosecute. You can see clearly that the intent of that was to decrease the prison population.

And we expanded it with Prop 57. And then you can say, wow, this doesn't have anything to do with crime. This has everything to do with decreasing the jail population. And now we're in a box and we can't admit it. I would even argue Illinois fits that same argument because, okay, they don't have the court background, but they have these easy release systems that they've enacted that are doing the same result. It creates chaos. It creates de facto decriminalization. And they can't do anything about it because once you have chaos, then you can't do anything. And so what do they do?

They look at Illinois. We've heard for a year from the politicians, the Supreme Court of Illinois is going to declare. this statute unconstitutional, and that's going to save us. I would argue that the Supreme Court, although the opinion's terrible, it's contrary to precedent, it's contrary to stare decisis. But if you look at it through that lens, what you see is the judge is saying, we're not going to fix this for you. You go fix it yourself.

If you think it's really a problem, don't make us do your dirty work. Yeah. And to your point, I have two really good questions. ask and I want to make sure they're both asked here. Number one, how much of, if you're a conspiracy theorist, if you want to be a conspiracy theorist for two seconds, what would be the purpose if say that this was politically motivated, you wanted to let people out, you wanted to change bail systems and how they run and kind of break down the system in your mind. And I don't know how much research you've done on this. Because I'm, you know, as much as you were really hardcore on

trying to fix this, which we have to have people like you because this is a huge issue, I believe, in this country, and I think it can get much worse. If your conspiracy theorist, what do you say would be the benefit for whoever it is? Say that they are Soros-funded prosecutors that let people out, but even further than that, number one, who is the lady that kind of push this through? She's retiring now, right? She's, I can't. Waters.

Is it water? Yeah, it was the Waters lady. Yeah, but... Debbie Waters or something. Yeah, what is the lady in Illinois's name that kind of pushed us through? Oh, I'm terrible at names. Yeah, I am too.

Well, either way, what do you see as the benefit, if you were a conspiracy theorist, and you wanted, you know, you wanted all this to happen, you wanted to decriminalize everything, and just like the defund police movement. Then right after the defunding of the police, you had all this bell stuff.

What is the benefit? to whatever that pushes to eliminate cash bail if you were a conspiracy theorist? Well, I would say that, first of all, it's a coalition, but there's part of the coalition that wants wealth redistribution. It's just as simple as that. Okay, so we have theft. We need to decriminalize it. So they steal something for somebody that has it, and now they have it. It's just wealth redistribution. And a lot of things that you hear in our community is really just a dressed up argument for wealth redistribution. I think you could argue that reparations today is just a dressed up argument for wealth redistribution.

And I would say that's probably the biggest thing. And then I think we have a coalition, a part of that coalition that really believes that we should decriminalize or we should not have as much crime or we should not hold people in our inner cities accountable on crime. I think we have some social justice warriors that believe that because of a certain history, people shouldn't be held accountable. It's kind of the whole it's not their fault argument. I don't know whose fault it is then if it's not their fault. I'll never forget the day that I had where I read an article from the L.A.'s office. And someone was asking his spokesman about what they were doing and how that was impacting the victims of.

of crime and the spokesperson looked at those people and said well we just have a disagreement who the true victims are saying that oh the real victim is the criminal defendant and not the person who had the crime committed on them and that just you know to you and me that makes no sense because if that's your argument you cannot have public safety anymore you cannot you cannot you cannot a function as a society if if you're going to allow that. And you know, you start wondering if that's not their goal, if their goal is to destroy society from within. Exactly.

I would see, I'd keep hope, because you see the mayor's coming out, because it's really impacting their, it's going to impact their tax revenues, and it's really starting to have an impact on their commercial leasing, which will eventually impact their viability. Because if commercial buildings can't get tenants, then they're going to default. on their loans and then they can't pay their taxes. And then before long, the city's defaulting on their bonds. And then cities are going bankrupt. Yeah, I mean, it's like Mayor Adams in New York.

You know, this guy campaigned on all this stuff. You know, he campaigned on the fact that he was going to come in and make sure that New York City was safe and he was going to do all these things. And it's literally like a lot of these people, they're heavily funded, by the way. I mean, a lot of these mayoral candidates, candidates for governor, especially in the left-leaning states and cities, they're very heavily funded. That's where all the money is politically, really, is the left or Democrats funding. And then you have all these, quote-unquote, promises because they have to at least kind of promise something. But then when they get in with Mayor Adams, for example, New York has been just as bad as it was before or during COVID.

So I think there's just this game that's going on that they want you to They'll tell you whatever and then they get in and do whatever right But let me ask you what is what is your thought on how much did COVID usher in a lot of this Even from the bail standpoint you know the decriminalization the bail reform Was COVID a big player in this whole movement The way I see COVID And its impact on criminal justice is it allowed us to see these criminal justice reforms that have been talked about and proposed for years. We got to see them in action on steroids.

And so we got to see the consequences of really bad bail reforms getting put into action across the country. And the results were terrible. So, I mean, I thought, I mean, you got to. You get to see people who were not arresting low-level crimes. So you had more low-level crimes. You're only arresting the really bad guys. I mean, we started keeping track. How many times could you get re-arrested within a day?

I mean, we found examples of people being arrested four, five, six times in a day. And just released over and over again. That's crazy. And it makes you wonder, why are the police even out there trying to do their job if they're the ones doing their arrest, writing up the paperwork? doing all that stuff. Risking their lives. Yeah. For these guys just to go right back on the streets.

I mean, why even have police? Well, that's true. And you can even argue that we've seen, you know, the reductions in crime that we've seen is really from the police not arresting people, not because crime is going down. It's still going up. It's just we have a big drop in crime being reported for that reason. Because you see the police, the police are going, why would I arrest this person, take them down to the jail to have a magistrate release them before I even complete the paperwork

because they're decided this is a low-level crime and we're not going to hold them. Well, that's, I mean, that's the whole problem. We have no room in our jails for accountability and we can't do anything about it when people don't show up for court. We're saving what little space we have for the really bad people. And you know what? That causes the really bad people to commit really bad crimes and our jails are full of the really bad people. Yeah, what is, you know, let me ask you, too, is, is, I mean, do you ever feel hopeless right now as far as your real, your passion and your push to change this?

Do you feel like that this is a system that is beyond your capabilities or anyone's capabilities? And if so, and if you ever feel hopeless or whatever the case is, what is the answer? I mean, that's the big question. Is it politics? Is it some person that gets elected president? is it a movement of some kind? Because, I mean, the reality is, if you look at it, Black Lives Matter movement, for example, even when Antifa kind of came in and did all their stuff,

and this massive movement where there was mass organization to believe and go with one narrative, one agenda, which was cops are bad, justice system is bad, which, by the way, I am here to say, and I know, Ken, you can definitely, you know, vouch for this, the justice system is 100% not perfect. and that's something we always say there are innocent people in prison now I know there's innocent people on death row and these are real issues

that I don't feel like we can fix because we're looking at something else which is not necessarily an issue you should be putting people in jail that are criminals and those criminals and you should be doing the very best you can to prove beyond reasonable doubt that they are guilty but

I mean do you feel hopeless is there a fix for this is there a system to fix this should it be a movement What does it have to be? Well, first I would say, okay, maybe our criminal justice system is not perfect, but I do believe it's the best in the world. It's the most fair in the world. Yeah. So when people say it's not fair, it is the most fair in the world.

And, you know, I have kids and I always tell them, you know, life isn't fair. So the best we can hope for is the fairest in the world. Am I hopeless? No. And I'll tell you why I'm not hopeless. what we have going on in some of our urban cities cannot continue. It's not sustainable. Look at New York.

They have now rolled back bail reform three or four times. And you know what? They keep saying the last time was the last time. I promise you it won't be because a lot of what they're doing is window dressing. So there's going to be further rollbacks in New York, I believe. And look in California, they have a referendum to make these zero bail policies permanent and it failed. Now, L.A.'s trying to do it separate and apart from what the voters voted,

but still, that gives you hope because you see all these things that they were doing in California, and it looked like they were on track for just absolute chaos, and they stopped. And then you see states that are rolling back reforms in addition to California. Alaska enacted reforms two years later or a year later, they rolled a lot of it back because they said, this is terrible. This is not what we were promised. And so you see a lot of jurisdictions starting to roll back, or they have already rolled back some of these terrible things that they've done. And so I'm not hopeless.

I'm very hopeful. And the main reason why I'm hopeful is because it can't continue. I mean, you see mayors coming out now. And if you look at what they're saying and evaluate what they're saying, they're coming to the realization that they are on track to go to destroy their city. and you can see them starting to say, what, what, what, what, what are we doing? Well, we can't do this. We can't have an alternative to bail

until it's a true alternative. And if we want people to show up for court, we need the private industry. Well, three years ago, we didn't never had anybody say that. Probably two years ago, we wouldn't have anybody to say that. So to have people from the left stand up and do that.

I mean, just remember two years ago, the left two weeks before the election was saying, rising crime is a made-up issue by the right. It's not happening. It's a lie. Now we've got the Oakland NAACP in the last three weeks issuing a letter blasting the local elected officials and demanding a state of emergency on crime. And the DA said, oh, you're just using right-wing talking points. The regional NAACP came out and said, no, you're wrong, DA.

We're siding with the local NACP. We have an epidemic on crime. we need a state of emergency to address it. And that didn't happen a year ago. They definitely didn't happen two years ago. So I see hope everywhere that things are changing. Now, what would you feel like if knowing the situation in California, and in my opinion, what Gavin Newsom has been a large hand in in California?

I mean, obviously, you have a lot of the mayors there and a lot of the local legislation that has a part in as well. But what would you feel like if Gavin Newsom run for president, 2024 and actually got elected by the people in a fair election, especially giving where California literally has been for, at the very least since COVID, but even before that? Well, you know, there are people out there that are arguing that that is the plan on the left, is, you know, to get Trump the nomination. And then at the very last minute, Yank Biden out of the race and are replacing

with Newsom and they think that under that scenario or the argument it is under that scenario that they have a chance to elect Newsom or gives them a great chance to elect Newsom. I would probably be dispirited if Newsom got elected. But I mean, I think even if they did that, I think it would be very difficult for him to get elected because he's so open to arguments that, you know, don't California my Texas, don't California my New York. and California, every state in the country. And with people leaving all over the place, I would love to see a DeSantis Newsom comparison.

And I know they have a debate coming up if it actually takes place. And that would be a great comparison. Set aside the personalities. It would just be a great comparison of different approaches for the state. That's what we need to have a debate about is public safety and approaches for public safety. because the problems that we're seeing are all in, you know, left-wing cities. And here's the thing that just kills me.

You know, 50% of all murder victims in the United States are young black males. And the people that are doing the murdering are generally young black males. Somehow, in this whole debate, we have decided that the murderer should have more rights than the person murdered. When did that happen? How is that proper? And the very racial group that they're saying needs protection is the one that's being just harmed the most. And yet we're allowing people to make these arguments and to say these things as if they're true. Yeah, absolutely.

You know, it is kind of funny because, you know, I think you're right. I think the plan could be Newsome. We don't exactly 100% know. But if it was Newsome, all you have to. to do is go to California and look on the streets and see the streets have changed from going to Rodeo drive to Rodeo Road everywhere, you know? There's tents and homeless people and people on drugs everywhere now. It's not the same California that it used to be 20 years ago. 20 years ago, that was the ideal state that people wanted to be in. That was where people wanted to go.

That was a cool place. Look at the Nancy Pelosi Federal Building in San Francisco. In the last couple of weeks, they've announced to all the federal employees, work from home. It is not safe for you to go into this building. The neighborhood where this building is located is not safe enough for you to go to work, work from home. Who would have ever thought that? We would allow that to take place. Yeah. And I would love to see that debate.

And I'm glad that you said that because I didn't even know that dissentists and Newsomor even debating against each other. You can look at the two opposite states, you know, West Coast, East Coast, and look at the states and see how they ran. And they're so, they're ran so differently. But look at the outcomes of both states. Yeah, especially during COVID. You had, you had Florida, you know, they said, oh, my God, COVID is going to, everyone's going to die in Florida. And it actually turned out, you know, it's somewhat better, actually, in a lot of ways than California did. Right.

And as far as crime is different, too. They've committed to debate each other. I don't know on what, on some show. I mean, there's been a lot of speculation that Newsom will withdraw and that he regretted committing to it. But so far, I mean, I just saw a report yesterday saying that it was still scheduled. So I agree with you. I think that would be a great comparison. Ken, and by the way, before we ask a few more questions, I want to, right now, I want you to tell what your podcast is, just so we don't forget.

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As far as Because I do think That plays a huge role. And the reality of this is, is that, you know, I still constantly go back to what is the reasoning behind this. How does the open border, right? Because, I mean, we got to say it is kind of an open border. How does that play into the situation as well? I mean, we're talking about overcrowded prisons. We're talking about a lot of this stuff. We don't know who's coming through the border. And, you know, how does this play into the role of that? It's the same. It's the same

strategy. Open borders, immigration is the same strategy as criminal justice bail reform. It's to create chaos and in chaos, you can't control it. And so, I mean, I like to argue on the borders. I mean, what would they be doing differently if they were in the pocket of organized crime, gangs, are under the pay for people transporting fentanyl? I mean, they're doing such a bad job. what more bad could they do on this if they were being paid off to do it? Yeah. No, you're exactly right. Terry, did you have a question?

I'm sorry. I did. I wanted to go back to the cash reform thing or the cash bail thing because, you know, there's people like me that I'm not, you know, as brilliant as you two. So I kind of figured out through our discussions that, you know, people used to get out of jail through a third party bailman, right? Yeah. But then they started doing this cash thing, right?

Right? And the courts, that's how they're making the money. Do you feel like that's when everything changed? Well, I think what would change started when they started limiting or getting rid of bondsmen in Illinois because then you removed accountability because there's no one looking over defendant's shoulders. If they just have to put up cash or a percentage of the cash, nobody's telling them what to do. Nobody's looking to make sure they're doing what they're supposed to be doing. So they're just paying their ride out of jail. I mean, you know, there is, I mean, the big, the best argument against, you know, private bail is we have to protect the poor. But I think one of the things that we've seen clearly over the, you know, the last few years is I don't think there's any poor people languishing in jail just because they're poor.

If they're in jail now, it's because they have a criminal history. And if you're in jail because of your criminal history, you're not there because you're poor. And I did a podcast where I did it, brought in a social scientist that did a review of white, people languish in jail. And his conclusion from his report was that the number one reason people languish in jail is because of their criminal history, not because they're poor.

Yeah, absolutely. I agree with that. And that's kind of like why there is bail reform anyways is because they're trying to help people in different economic statuses or demographics to help those people because it was not a fair

level playing field of people going to jail. Like some people have I think that's what they started out arguing, but the problem is, you know, they want to say, well, we need to treat everybody the same. We need to treat everybody exactly the same. The problem is, what does that mean? Okay, you've been arrested for theft with less than $950. Well, it's your first time offense. You shouldn't be treated the same as someone who's been arrested 10 times, 15 times, 20 times this month for the same offense. But that's what these people pushing for. reform are demanding that we treat each time you're arrested for theft under $950, you get treated

the same as a first time, as you would, a first time offender or anyone. And that's just wrong. That's against the whole basis of our criminal justice system. Our criminal justice system is based upon the assumption that we're going to impose upon you just the right amount of pressure to get you to turn around and become a productive citizen. That's different if you're a first time offender versus a two-time offender. versus a five-time event versus a 10-time-a-fitting.

I don't care if it's staff for $950. Less than $9.50. If you've done that 10 times, you need whatever they're doing to you, it's not causing you to change your conduct. Right. If you're not going to change your conduct, then you need to be treated much more substantially. I mean, somebody made the argument.

Somebody made the argument that really in our big cities, we have a city within the city. It's a lot smaller, and it's a city made up of criminals. Yeah. of the people that smaller group is the one committing you know 60 70 80% of the crime we're setting up rules in i will even say with some people with good intentions we're setting up rules that say we're going to protect the poor the problem is they're tying the hands of the judges so they can't address gangs they can't address career criminals they can't address organized crime and so in the

name of good intentions we're destroying our criminal justice system absolutely And, you know, I honestly think, too, that, you know, you hear a lot of these same talking points just even in elections now, right? You hear a lot of the same stuff. You hear that, well, the black community or the minority community, regardless of who they are, they should not have to show an ID to vote because they are too poor to get an ID. Like, it just doesn't make sense, but neither does a lot of their talking points with the bell. Right. None of this. And I think to your point, I think what they are trying to do is create chaos.

And I think that's what we've seen. Because even like watching in California, when people just go into Walgreens, there's a security guard right at the gate. And he's watching these people come in and steal whatever they want. And he's not going to do anything because, you know, we don't do anything. It makes normal people say, well, darn, they're going to steal stuff. Maybe I can steal some stuff too. You know, I'm hard up. It makes more people want to commit crimes.

Absolutely. Well, we've turned common sense on its head. We're impacting statutes that are called the Safe Schools Act, and all it does is decriminalized theft under $950. And we're being told that it's common sense that we're going to release more people from prison, and that's going to make us somehow safer. I mean, which one makes more common sense? You're going to release more criminals.

You're going to have more crime. I mean, we actually had people arguing five or six years ago. if we don't prosecute misdemeanor crime, crime will go down. I mean, if you look back at those reported quote-unquote studies and now look at what we've found in reality, you just have to go back and go, we were sold a bill of goods or you just have to laugh and say, this is ridiculous, because we have proven the opposite to be true,

and we've, I think, proven that that stuff that was given to us five or six years ago was just an out-and-out lie. Yeah, absolutely. Ken, do you think, I mean, I know that you're fighting this on the national level. You're fighting this on the, you know, an attorney from Texas that, you know, listening to a lot of your accomplishments, you know, as you got into being an attorney, are very commendable. But do you, and like I said, I'm not trying to go to conspiracy or anything,

but do you think there is a much bigger system at play, beyond what we can see or at least a worldly globalist type system. I mean, I know that sounds weird, but if you start thinking about people like George Soros funding prosecutors and even funding a lot of these people

that are put in place that push a lot of these reforms or a lot of these law changes and everything in place and people that are not even living in the United States. These are not, you know, a lot of this money is coming from outside donors a lot of the same people that show up to the World Economic Forum

with the big elites that censor speech and do all these things. How much do you think that plays into this? And if so, I mean, how do you change that? You know, this is an issue that I've really thought on for a long time. And I got some good advice early on as an attorney. Because I, you know, got active in politics. I ran a campaign for someone running for county judge. and we won.

But someone gave me some good advice. They said, you know, never attribute an evil intent to your opponent when stupidity or dumbness will just as equally explain what's going on. I mean, you could equally argue that we have politicians that are in able. box on the left because they were making rhetoric that were getting their supporters to come out in larger numbers just so they could get reelected and now it's reached the point where they've created a mob and they've lost control over the mob and so now they just want to get reelected one more time. I kind of wonder if that's not where we are. Because that really explains it just as equally as an evil intent and an evil intent really gives them a lot more credit for being

you're really brainy, then I think they might really be. Right. I totally get what you're saying that they were just kind of dumb butts for doing what they're doing. And now they've locked. I love that word. Yeah, dumb butts. They're like the teacher of the classroom and the teacher has lost control of our

classroom. Yeah. Yeah. It's very interesting where this world's going. You know, it's funny. And I'm going to mention this. And we're talking a little bit of politics. But, you know, you saw Trump just got recently indicted in Georgia.

And there are a ton of videos going around of the black community. I don't know. Trump actually, Trump and his motorcade went through the black community in Atlanta, right outside of Atlanta, Georgia. And you had hundreds of people, hundreds of black people from this community, from this poor community. This community was poor. It was a lot of Section 8 housing, a lot of this area. You would never expect support for Trump. Probably where crime is.

Yeah, where a lot of crime is, absolutely. but you would not expect the support that Trump was getting as his motorcade was coming through quote unquote the ghetto I mean that's what they call it and not only that they're supporting him all over TikTok now and I was like what in the heck is going on

it is a huge shift and I think that the black community minority community is starting to kind of see through some of this stuff a lot of what we're talking about right now where they're using the black community to push a lot of these agendas through and they're used using them to say, look, you are the victim.

Do not ever think that you're not the victim. You are the victim, no matter what you think, you're the victim. You're not ever going to succeed. You're not ever going to do anything unless you have us in office, right? But now it's like you're starting to see this shift in people, I mean, regardless, by the way. People believing in themselves. Yeah, regardless of Trump, whether you hate or love Trump, I just think Trump's the figure. I made this argument.

I mean, several months ago, I was like, you know, it's kind of like an argument. that we use in a court, you know, don't beat up on a defenseless woman on the witness stand. Juries don't like that. And you're seeing that. I read an article yesterday talking about young black male seem to be moving in droves towards Trump. Yeah. And I would say that it appears that someone has overplayed their hand. I don't know where this falls.

I mean, it's too early to say. But, I mean, I said a month ago that Trump. may be thinking that if he's in jail, he may win in the landslide because he's going to get a bigger share of the Democrat vote from people who are thinking, you know what, they're picking on this guy like they pick on me. And so suddenly the loyalties change. And he's more like them than Biden. And so I think there's a real risk of that. I don't think Trump will be in jail before the election, but I think he may be on appeal with two convictions. Yeah, Dan Bonino.

Because I think, you know, D.C. is going to be hard for not to convict. And New York would be hard to not convict either. But I don't see New York going to trial before the election because those charges are really weak. The ones in Florida, somebody told me the ones in Florida were the strongest. But, I mean, I would argue that statute doesn't even apply to the president. So, I don't know. It's very weird. But the point you're making, I think, is very good.

there's a these people are overplaying their hands and they're going to get desperate if you see another uh indictment coming out of Utah and Nevada then the Democrats have lost their head and they are freaking out and I've heard some indications that we may have two more indictments yeah which you know and Dan Bongino Dan Bonjino went on his his podcast recently and talked about you know if if he were Trump he would have not posted bail in Fulton County and went to jail. Yeah, I mean, even though that sounds crazy. Yeah, and they had pictures of him behind bars. But it's like Dan Bongino said, you know, anywhere the former president is, the secret service will make that place lock down. I mean,

no one will get near Trump. It doesn't matter. He'll be like in a freaking hotel room, essentially. But the point was, is to further push the point of it is us versus them, us being the people versus whatever. And that's, I think that's what I agree. I think that's what Trump's trying to push. And I think that Ken had a very good point about these people that have been to jail. You know, it's obviously they feel like it's them against that, you know, it's them against us. The system. You know, it's me against the system. And the system is doing the same thing to this dude, this rich dude, Trump. I'm going to stand behind him. Yeah. Because they're doing the same shit to him that they're doing me. Yeah. I think you have a very valid point. I think it's early. And so, I mean, and there's so many unplayed cards between.

now and whenever this thing starts showing itself. But I do agree that I think that the play right now is to every time they indict Trump, he gets more stronger within the Republicans. They want him to be the candidate. And then as soon as he's

the candidates, then we'll see the real move. Then we'll see whether they're going to replace Biden at the last minute with Newsome. I don't know if our good friend from Vermont, because he was just in New Jersey, whether he would stand for that. I don't think the Democrats would just, I think there would be a bunch

jump in at the last minute. So I don't think that's a good strategy. And I think that would create problems. But hey, I mean, we're going to find out pretty quickly next year what the plan is. Ken, let me ask you, do you, what is your main focus right now? What is your agenda on trying to fight this? Because, I mean, Illinois, obviously, is the first state to eliminate. cash bail, right? And so do you see this being a trend? Is this something that's going to go state to state, especially Democratic states? And what's the way to fight it? Again, I would say Illinois saying that they're the first state to get rid of cash bail. That's not correct. I mean, they're getting rid of cash bonds. They've already gotten rid of the bell industry. And you already have seen it for several years what the

consequences of that are. So, I mean, it's not as advertised. It never is. And so what is my push though right now. I just wrote an article that I'm in, we're in the process of editing, talking about the four phases of the death spiral in our urban cities. And so I'm really, I'm just continued to do what I,

what I usually do is I pull together data and I try to put it on our website and then I make, I address those issues so that we can be a resource to other areas. You know, I have a good friend who told me, or asked, me recently says, why do we have to fight this every two years at the legislature?

Because our legislature only meets every two years. He's like, why can't you just fix this? And I'm like, well, you know, we can fix it. We can give up. And that'll fix it. Otherwise, we have to fight. And if fighting means we have to come back every two years, well, then that's what we have to do.

Because if we do not continue fighting for the criminal justice system, which fighting for the criminal justice system is fighting for the bail. Vell industry because what's good for one is good for the other. Then we're just going to give up. And if we give up, we're going to create chaos and eventually we're going to go back to vigilante justice. I mean, we see that in New York right now. We've had two examples of people who stepped up to help somebody to prevent a crime and

now they're being prosecuted for stepping up. That's being done because they want to send the message to the public not to do that. We're going to see more and more of that because, I mean, my God, if the police are not going to protect me. For God's sake, let me have the tools to protect myself. Yeah, and they're trying to take those away. And it's funny, it's funny, Ken, that, you know, five, ten years ago, what you're saying right now, which is facts, by the way, 100% facts, you'd be called a conspiracy theorist. Oh, there's no way they would do that. They're not going to try to take your rights away from protecting yourself. Good point. But really, I mean, and today it's like we're talking factual,

but it sounds like a conspiracy theory. And it's not. And that is what is scary. And I never thought that we would be there. But, you know, and honestly, I've talked to a lot of people. We've done this podcast for five years. We've talked to so many different people. We have a lot of different communications. A lot of, you know, there's people that have own massive corporations and companies

to where they're like, I've always loved America. I was in the military. I did this. But now I'm, I kind of want to move away from America. I mean, and it's literally gotten to that. And it's like, when there are people that want to move out of America, which was, which was once the beacon of America. of the world.

It was the lighthouse of the world. But we need more kins that want to stay and fight. Because this is our country. You know, it's our country. You have to fight for our country. Now we have people that don't want to live in California anymore. We have people that don't want to live in New York anymore. And they're moving to the red states.

What happens when those urban cities declare bankruptcy and all those people that are living there no longer have any place to go shopping or they have no place to go buy their medicine because those have all closed down because it's all chaos around them. What's going to happen then? They can't bring their politics to other states because that's not going to work. No, no. And you know, what we've seen is the people that are moving are voting Republican. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's like we've actually been looking to move out west. I mean, out west is in, which by the way, if California was different as far as just the way they're doing things, California is a beautiful state. Right. So is Colorado. So there's a lot of other places. But because of the politics there, it would be like tortured to live there.

Yeah, we saw, yeah, it's funny, if you look at the most red states in the country or the most conservative states, a lot of those states, you would think Florida, South Carolina, you would think the southern states. But actually, the most conservative states, even beyond Texas, by the way, is Utah, Idaho, what was it, Wyoming or Montana. A lot of those states that are very close. Utah, you would expect it to be the most conservative state. It's a very religious state. Even if it is Mormon, I mean, still, it's a very conservative religious state. I mean, in Texas, there are some conservative counties. The county I live in, Smith County, is one of the most conservative counties you could ever live in.

So I would put that county up against any county in Utah. I mean, it's just crazy. Yeah, we were actually looking. I probably agree with 95% of the policies. Yeah, we were looking the other day. at like death row states like seeing how many people were on death row Texas Texas is by far. Texas was like five times the amount of people on death row than any other state. 80 or 90 I think currently.

They don't play. If you're going to commit a crime. Don't do it in Texas. Yeah. Don't do it in Texas. Yeah. You're right. Go to New York or California.

That's true. That's true except for Travis County, which is Austin and Harris County. Harris County, you know, they implemented criminal justice bowel reform through a court order, which has now been overturned and they still are following it. So until that gets resolved, you want to stay away from Houston. And Travis County is just the most liberal county in the state. And so they're Harris County want to be. And I think that they're starting to see the light a little bit, not enough.

But I mean, over time, you're going to see more and more mayors. I think the push for to stop this craziness is going, is going, is going to. to come from the mares. Because the mares are going to run out of money if they don't. And they're going to be the first to realize it. Oh, my God, what have we done? And you're starting to see it already. All right, Ken, let me ask you.

I know that I don't want to end on a bad note, but what is the worst case scenario in this situation we're talking about? Do you remember the old Westerns when, you know, something happened and you'd call up the posse? And then the posse would go chase somebody down. Oh, yeah. right or wrong, they would implement justice immediately, then you would be done. I mean, if we don't get a handle on this, the parts of our cities are the parts of our counties or the parts of our states that are still going to be able to function, are going to be able to function only because they form their own posseys. Yeah. And if our friends on the left don't want to see this vigilante justice just take control of our country,

then we've got to find a solution to this that makes people feel safe. Yeah. You know, two years ago, they wouldn't even admit that it was an issue. Now we've got the NACP and mayors admitting that it's an issue. I would argue we're really just following the same cycle that we followed in the 60s. In the 60s, we felt safe. We were more forgiving on crime. we released more people from jail.

Crime started going up. We started having debates about it. The left fought it, fought any retrenchment on crime and punishment. And even did the same thing that we're seeing in New York, where people who stood up and fought back were punished. And then we had a result. We had a backlash. And we had Reagan.

And we had a law and order president. And we had Clinton with his crime bill. So I would say we're repeating the same errors that we repeated in the 60s. And since the push to the left was so much bigger because I guess we're living in a digital aides, if we're not careful, the pendulum swinging back to the right will be just as bad or just as harsh. And people on the left are not going to like that. And they should keep that in mind when they keep discounting people's valid concerns about public safety. And you're so right because if you even look at like the most serial killers in an error,

you got to go back to those errors when they were less like vigilant on crime. That's when we had the most serial killers like Bundy and Domer or whatever, all of them because they knew they could get away with it. Yeah. And you know, it's funny. I don't want to give Jason Aldeen any more money, but I think the worst case scenario is kind of somewhat the point of Jason Aldean's song, try that in a small town.

it's you know it's uh kind of like that you know well and you know i've never heard that song before but you know when all this happened you hear that song and you're like wow that's that's a really good point and it was a song that really hadn't taken off until somebody attacked it and and said it was anti black lives matters i'm like you know what i don't see that as anti black lives matter unless you think black lives matter is pro crime right i look at that saying you know we've got a in our inner cities that we don't have in our rural communities. And there's a reason why in our rural communities, we still have what I call blue-collar values. We all value hard work and we have a sense of community. Yeah. And a lot of people forget in those rural communities, there are black

people there too. You know, it's just, you know, they want the same things that everyone does. And I think more, I think what the best case scenario is. And I think the reason I asked the Trump question in Atlanta was, I think hopefully we can move past black versus white, and we can move more towards us versus corruption, us versus the things that are wrong in this country. And it doesn't matter what color you are. I think we have to make sure that we're all safe.

Our kids are safe. Our families safe. And I think that's what you're desperately trying to do. And Ken, by the way, I echo Sherry's point. I think it's very important for people like you to be doing what you're doing. Because, you know, without you, there's no one fighting against it. There's no one trying to get the word out. And, you know, that's why we're glad to have you on.

And we want people to hear your message. And I truly encourage people to go to your podcast. We will definitely plan a podcast on your podcast. And then we'll let maybe the next episode we'll let people know when we're going to be on Ken's podcast. And that way you guys can come listen over there. And I definitely think you should support Ken because what he's doing, I think more people need to be doing. And, you know, Ken's been doing, how long you've been doing your podcast? Two years, you've done?

Less than two years. We started planning it two years ago. It would be two years in November. Okay, cool. Well, that's awesome, man. And I'm so glad you're doing it. I'm so glad you're doing what you're doing. Ken, is there any, is there any last words?

Any last words? Any last meal. You know, I would just say, you know, we have an inner city crime problem right now. We have an inner city crime problem where families have failed. the not just blacks but all groups in the inner cities our school systems have failed the citizens of our inner cities and drugs have become rampant not on one race

but all races in our inner cities and now with what's happened in the last couple of years whether you call them riots or whether you call them protests we have the decay of our inner cities because businesses have been burned down and they are not coming back and they've closed and you know at the time we hear

oh, they're insured. What are you complaining about? Well, no. A lot of them didn't get, you know, either their insurance claim was denied because it was a riot, or they took the money and just went home. And now to sell their business, they're having to sell the real estate at a great decrease value because nobody wants to have a business there. It's not safe anymore. And so it is now a self-perpetuating problem until we find the solution. But I am hopeful. I'm hopeful that we will find the solution, and our mayors, I think, will lead the charge. Because if they don't, it will just continue to decay, and our inner cities will go bankrupt. Absolutely.

And one last question. What do you tell the people of Illinois with this new bill? Is it something they should worry about? I mean, I know we've talked a lot about it, but is it... Well, I think the Illinois bill, I think this one is, okay, this is what I think. The Illinois bill, the Supreme Court's ruling, is going to eventually force the politicians to come up with the compromise that they refuse to do, hoping that the Illinois Supreme Court would save them from their own stupidity.

Now they have no choice but to do it themselves, roll up their sleeves, and work together. Absolutely. And that's what we need to do as a country. Yeah, absolutely. That's right. That was great. Well, Ken, thank you so very much for coming on.

Like I said, we're going to come on your podcast. We're inviting ourselves on your podcast, by the way. Sorry. Great. Sorry. Sorry, Ken. We're going to be a guest soon. So, Ken, just tell us your podcast one more time in case. Yes, tell us your podcast.

Sure. Okay, so you can find it at the bellpost.com or you can go to our website, pvtx.com, and just click on the menu podcast. Or you can go to any of your podcast distribution systems and just search for the bellpost. The bell post. Yeah, any apps. You can get them on any apps pretty much. Yeah, most of our listeners... It's on all podcast apps. Yeah, most of our listeners are on Spotify

because they're the only ones that still value any what of free speech at all anymore. Well, babe, we have other people. Yeah, we do. I mean, we have Apple, we have all that. But Spotify, that's like 80% of our listener base. But, Ken, thank you so very much for coming on. We're definitely...

Guys, be on the lookout for us coming on Ken's podcast. You guys got to go check it out when we go over there. And, Ken, there's probably plenty of other topics. can talk about as far as all of this goes. So we'll definitely bring you back on in the near future. And, you know, as always, we love having you on. And we thank you so very much for what you do and for coming on our show. Yeah.

Thank you so much, Ken. Thank you so much for having me, guys. Good night. Have a good night, Ken. All right, that was Ken Good. Texas attorney and extraordinaire. He's out there doing God's work, man. That's the only thing you can really say.

I think, you know, if you're a God believer, you've got to think that God puts people in positions that fight for God or fight for the good, right? And I don't know Ken's religion or any of that stuff. But all I'm saying is I think that... Well, it's not religion when you talk about God. Yeah, it's just God, right? God puts people in places that fight against evil. And I think a lot of what we're talking about, although we did not mention evil at all on this show,

I think a lot of what we're seeing is evil. It is good versus evil. And Ken is a knight fighting for good, right? And I think that's what we see Ken as. And there's a lot of people out there are doing this, right, guys. There are people that are doing this and being persecuted. They are being put in prison. They are doing all of these things, these people that are trying their best to fight for the good in what the world should be and what the United States should be.

And by the way, everyone out there listening in UK or Uzbekistan, which, by the way, we just saw that we were on a chart there and you use Uzbekistan. Howdy guys. wherever you guys are. Anyways, for all of you, though, don't think this just applies to the United States. It doesn't. It applies worldwide. Absolutely, because this is a system. And we didn't get too much into the New World Order

slash globalist thing with Ken. But I don't think we have to. No, you don't have to. Because what Ken's saying, although Ken's not a conspiracy there, he's an attorney fighting against this bail stuff, this bail reform, this basically, you know, it's basically a system like Ken said to create chaos. He's not a conspiracy theory guy.

He's not going on and trying to figure out what the W.E.F.'s doing or the globalists are doing. No, he just must have to fix what's happening and what's wrong. Yeah, but he doesn't even have to be a conspiracy theory to listen to what he says and says it seems like they're trying to create chaos. So for those of you listeners out there that have followed this podcast for five years, even though he's not a conspiracy theory guy, he's not someone that follows a globalist or New World Order. You guys know exactly what he's saying. And he doesn't even know 100% what he's saying. But I mean, what I'm saying is as far as the implications of like if this is a much greater system, the New World Order, the globalist system, that's why I ask him, I said, you know, do you sometimes lose hope? Because this is a system that you can't defeat. They had a great answer for that. Yeah, he did. It was really great. And I like admire him for it.

Yeah. And he's going to, he's going to have hope for our country until the end. He will not give up for, you know, for our country. He won't. No, absolutely. He's one of those people He's going to fight till the end Absolutely And Ken, we can't thank you enough For coming on But guys, that's going to be it

For this episode We got many great episodes coming We actually got a series coming very soon That you guys are really going to enjoy Go check us out on Twitter, Facebook All those places We love you guys Until next time

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