Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Alex Jones vs Nick Fuentes Debate Breakdown | Trump & The Epstein Files

Episode Date: August 1, 2025

In this episode, we break down the fiery debate between Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes, where Nick accused Alex of defending Trump’s handling of the Epstein files. Sheri and I share our thoughts on who was right, who was wrong, and what this means for the American people moving forward. Will the Trump administration ever release the Epstein files, or are we witnessing yet another cover-up like those of past administrations?Check out our merch store: https://investigateearthstore.com

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I had to grieve them. When I'm at my lowest, it's when I need them. But I don't trip too much. I know they're looking down. Hello and welcome to Investigator's podcast. I'm your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry, on tonight. episode, we're diving into a fiery and controversial debate between two of the most polarizing voices in the political world, Nick Fuentes and Alex Jones. And the topic is Donald Trump's

response or lack thereof to the long-awaited Epstein files. Fentes and Jones go head to head over whether Trump's silence is a calculated move or a dangerous misstep. And what it means to the future of the Republican Party headed into 2026 and beyond. We'll break down their key arguments, the underlying tensions between populace and establishment conservatives, and ask the uncomfortable question, are the Epstein files being suppressed to protect more than just Democrats? Could this be the scandal that fractures the Republican base, or is it just all political theater designed to keep the truth buried?

Guys, welcome to the show. It is July the 31st, 2025, and the name of that song is Underwater by Nick Caution. We played him a couple times on this show. I actually kind of like him. He's kind of a chill vibe. Yeah, I like him, too. Chill vibe rap.

For sure. Guys, listen, the reason why we're doing this episode and we're headed into August and some of you probably saw our social media post that I had put up probably a week ago where I said in August, we are going to be turning a new leaf. Now, what does that mean? Well, I don't know. Exactly. I was wondering the same question.

No, but here's the thing. No, here's the thing. I do know what it means. I'm just not 100% sure yet how I'm going to go about it. And when I say I, I think. that, you know, over seven years or eight years or so of doing this podcast, you know, Sherry and I used to have a lot of fun on this podcast. We used to have a ton of fun.

We used to talk about all kinds of topics. And yes, there were some political, obviously. There was paranormal. There was obviously aliens. There was all this stuff. Bigfoot. Bigfoot, you name it. But we also had fun doing it, right?

We laughed. We told jokes. I mean, there was literally an episode which you guys should go back and find. Oh, don't do it. And I don't know. I don't know. Which one are you talking about the Mexican alien? Well, yeah.

Well, yeah. We were just kind of debating on like, you know, if there were certain races of aliens, for example, if there were like Spanish aliens or if there were black aliens or white aliens or Asian aliens, like how would those spaceships look differently? And I mean, it was just hilarious. We actually had our friend Matt on. You know, he was on. That was probably five years ago.

But we laughed so hard during that episode. And we were just telling jokes. We were having fun. and then, you know, somewhere along the road, it started probably about 2020, especially when everything COVID happened. Everything started ramping up getting really crazy. I feel like we did have to get more serious. And especially with our coverage on COVID-19, everything to happen with the vaccines, we kind of

shifted just a little bit. And I'm not saying that you can't be serious and also be funny, also be kind of laid back. But also there have been, I guess, me self-censoring in some ways on certain topics. And I know some of you are probably going to be like, well, I don't think that's the case. Yeah, well, you guys have not heard Chad and filtered. Well, no, I mean, no, most people have not, you know. And I think you're like I am too. Like I do self-censor, censor myself as well.

And I'm not myself because I'm worried that I'm going to say the wrong thing sometimes because we're so almost politically correct. And I think it's stupid to be that way. Yeah. Yeah. And that's one of the things like our telegram people over on telegram, they see the side of us that is our normal selves. And, you know, I mean, it's not like we're fake on here. It's just that we don't necessarily always say certain things that maybe we would, you know, off record or on telegram or maybe in our bedroom or living room, you know, when we're hanging out.

I don't think they want to hear what we say in our bedroom. Well, but you know what I'm saying. So we're just trying, we're going to do our very best to absolutely be as 100% raw, real and authentic as absolute possible. And that's why I said in some of the posts on social media, I said, you know, some of you are going to like it and some of you are not. But the reality is, and I think in life, that you have to always say what it is that you truly feel on any and all subjects. And I also think you've got to truly be yourself across the board because there's

been something that like when we do the podcast, we still like doing the podcast, but sometimes it feels like more work than pleasure. It started, we started doing this podcast for pleasure. started doing it because we like talking about the things we we talk about we started doing it because we had a passion and we still do but we just want to make sure that like going into august going into this kind of new leaf era that we are going to do our very best to be as authentic as possible with everybody and like i said some of you are going to like it and some of you are not and what happens if i don't like what you have to say well that's just going to be an all-out brawl on here

so you guys will be just kidding no i'm just kidding and but also to tonight, what we're going to do on tonight's show with Nick Fulintas and Alex Jones is break down the debate. Now, the reason I decided to do this, well, there's two reasons. Number one, we weren't going to do this. We were actually going to have, we were going to have Jake Chansley on the podcast tonight, and then we were not able to get him on the show tonight that may be rescheduled for a later date, but we did watch parts of this interview. Sherry did not really watch this interview last night, but I do think that Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes both have enough different in opinions that I think it may represent a lot of you out there.

I think some of you out there are going to see it from Nick's side. Some of you are going to see it from Alex's side. And then some of you are going to be completely opposite of both of them. Some of you are going to be completely 100% all on board with Trump and everything Trump says or the media says or whatever. You're going to be on board with that. And I say that because we've got a lot of emails. We've got a lot of messages from people, especially over the past month when we started to criticize the Trump administration on their handling of the Epstein files. We got a lot of backlash for it.

A lot of just Trump loyalists that think that we're turning over on Trump or we're going to be the new Democrat Party podcast. We've heard that as well. But it's not necessarily a we thing. That's more of a you thing. And me, I am still more pro-Trump than you are at this time. Well, look, I'm pro Trump for sure. I mean, we've said it before a billion times. It's just that we have to, we still have to evaluate no matter who's in office.

Like, why are they holding this back? What is the core reasoning behind this? And that's why I thought, hey, it would probably be good to break down what Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes debate here. And, you know, there's people that hate Nick Fuentes. And I actually used to really hate Nick Fuentes. And you were like in his inbox for a long time. Yeah.

And there were a couple of times that we went back and forth on social. media. And the interesting thing about Nick is that, you know, Nick has been hardcore on one side. And a lot of people don't like Nick because they think that he is just 100% anti-Semitic. He just, it's not the fact that he doesn't like Israel or what Israel's doing. He just seems to maybe not like Jews in general. And that's one of the things I've always said. It's like when I criticize Israel or anything they're doing in the Middle East, I criticize the government of Israel. I don't criticize the people that live in Israel. And I think that's a big difference. Yeah. And I think so. Sometimes he does that for a shock value.

It's just like today, I think he got into it with Candace Owens. And he's like, listen, Candace, just go make me a sandwich. Calm down. And when you're ready to talk, we'll talk. Yeah, go make me a sandwich. It's just those kind of shock value responses that he has. And that's what makes a lot of people famous. I mean, honestly, like if you say the certain things on social media that does the shock

value to where you just say the craziest, most outlandish shit, then oftentimes, even though it may be bad, That's why they always say there's no such thing as bad publicity. Well, that's true because there, I can't tell you how many people I've known that have went on the internet. They were able to somehow get a YouTube account and they just started saying the craziest shit. And they got away with it for a very long time until, of course, YouTube came along and said, oh, well, no, you're not allowed to say this. You're not allowed to say this. And YouTube is still doing that. I mean, YouTube is absolutely still censoring content 100%.

I think they're the worst still. Yeah. And I think all platforms. to an extent are censoring. But like on X, there's that one girl, the white girl that is really, really racist. Oh, yeah. That we were talking about the other day. And she just says whatever she wants to and does not give a shit.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, and there's definitely always going to be people that, you know, like that. And especially when you have platforms or the ability for free speech, you oftentimes will have people that pop up that are going to 100% test the boundaries of free speech. And also I've thought about this too. It's like I think some of these people, just like there are paid influencers, for example, on the Democrat Party, there are paid influencers to the Republican Party. And Nick Fuentes actually talks about this in this interview a little bit about how he got screwed, why he thinks he got screwed.

But then also furthermore, kind of he was on this lineage to come out of college, do the right things. He was going to be one of these paid conservative influencers. that was his life track, you know, maybe like a Charlie Kirk or a Benny Johnson or any of these people. And it just didn't happen because when he started asking certain questions, that's when he completely got de-platform derailed. But yes, there are paid influencers everywhere. And what I'm saying to this point is that when you see certain people, especially on free speech platforms that just all of a sudden pop up out of nowhere, they get this massive following and they're saying the N-word or they're saying whatever the hell they want to say. and they say it all the time. And then they get pushed on mainstream media in a big way because she was also, I think

her name is Lily or what was her name? I can't remember exactly her name. But then she got put on Pierce Morgan uncensored. She blew up mega viral. And then of course the deep state media came out. It was like, look at what is allowed on social media. Can you believe that there are racist allowed on social media? Well, the reality of racism is that yes, there are racist people out there.

And if you give a free speech platform, long enough, those people are going to show up and they're going to be racist on the platform. But does racism equal censorship? I don't think so. No, I don't either. And it's because it's a free speech. I'm a free speech absolutist no matter what you say, as long as it's not a threat of violence or terrorism or whatever, then you should be able to say it, whether I agree or not. But going back to the paid influencers, too, that's why we were going to have Jake on the show this evening is because he feels like that's partially what's going on with him, the same thing.

thing that's happened with Nick Fuentes. Yeah. Is that he felt like he was a paid influencer and almost, not almost paid, but was told to do certain things on behalf of the government. And now he feels like he's getting shitted on. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's going to be an interesting conversation if we can kind of pin down Jake.

This is the second time, which hopefully we can maybe get him on in the future. We'll see. But yeah, he's been saying a lot of stuff out there on social media as of as a, as of late. Obviously, we've had Jake on live streams with us in the past probably three or four times. Two episodes too. Yeah, always a great guy. Always a great guy to talk to. And, you know, and especially lately the past two or three months, I've just seen him completely shift like his. I think he's pissed off about something. Yeah. He is, it's like, is something broken him? And, you know, as soon as that happened over the past two or three months, you know, I started noticing like his account would go black and then it

would come back on is count and go black so it's even been kind of hard just to talk and discuss with right to even plan a podcast yeah so it's it's been very interesting but uh i guess what we should go ahead and do is start this debate because it is pretty long we're probably not going to play the entire thing but what i do suggest is that you guys go to alex jones show and look at the entire debate you can also go to nick flintez's channel on rumble uh you can watch the entire debate there but if you want to hear our opinion and thoughts on this, what we're going to do, because, as most of you know, Sherry and I agree on a lot of things, but we also don't agree on some things. And I actually think it may be similar in this debate. I'll be curious to see if Sherry agrees more with Alex, if there's even enough of a disagreance between Alex and Nick Fuentes that we can make that decision.

But we're just going to kind of break down what you think, what I think. And then we also want to hear from you guys. You can send us a message on social media, whether it's Facebook or Instagram or. or X, whatever, send us a message. Tell us who you think won the debate. Tell us who you think you are more, I guess, sided with as far as your beliefs on this entire Epstein Trump deal. And they talk a little bit more than just the Epstein files, but it's very interesting to

hear him. So without further ado, here is the Alex Jones, Nick Fuentes, interview. And Alex does talk here at the very beginning, but I want to put this in just for context for the debate. Here you go. Put out that judge department memo. I said Trump's behind it. so, oh, you're attacking Trump.

And then he came out later and said, no, it's me. Don't ask questions. Shut up about it. I said, this is incredibly suspicious. And now they're running around with the Justice Department meeting with Gisland Maxwell. It looks bad. But people take it when I've said out of context, when I'm wargaming this, because I think they would have used information against Trump if they had it before.

But that's said now. The jury's out on Trump. The jury's in on the Democrat. and Epstein Island and Bill Gates and Larry Summers and all the rest of it. So I'm not an apologist for Trump. All I get is persecuted and attacked for supporting President Trump. And I've seen clips of Nick. I played it earlier before he came on.

And I'm not saying it's a wrong critique, but out of context, you could see it. No, I'm looking for the truth. and my issue is do we throw out Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Cabr and all the good things that are happening. If stuff comes out that he's screwing kids with Trump, of course, I'm going to expose it. I mean, I'm not tied to that wagon. But in the larger issue, is the Epstein issue, the only issue?

And it's not like Nick Pointosh just came out and said, I'm against Trump now. He said it a year and a half ago. He was a big supporter early on. It's how I met him nine years ago. I think Nick's a smart guy and agree with most things he says. It's a group of something. So we are having a large discussion. You call it a debate here.

But I want to be 100% clear. I will go where the facts lead. I'm not an apologist for Trump. But at the same time, we need to recognize that the Democrats and the ADL and the Republicans joining him do not want this discussion. They do not want Nick J. Feintez on Rumble. They do not want Alex Jones on X or Info Wars. They do not like this tonight because they don't want you. to hear a real unfiltered discussion.

Because I sent Nick a text like last Tuesday and said, well, you come on in debate. He said, yeah, how about next Wednesday night? I said, great, we're doing it. That's the only discussions we've had. All right. And so this isn't some scripted debate. This is a real discussion. And it's not about who's smarter.

And it's not about, I don't mind all that stuff. Nick's 26 years old, super smart. I thought he was smart when I first met. I had him nine years ago. That's why I have Nick Conn. He's a great interview. He's great for the show. I've got a big show.

It's not about personalities. To me, it's about really figuring out what's happening. But to open the debate, and I'll give him the floor for the next, you know, 10 minutes, I want to be clear, if you actually watch my show, I'm not running defense for Trump. I don't know what the truth is. I'm completely freaked out. I've said Trump's actually insanely guilty. and I've only war-gamed every angle of this

trying to figure out what's going on because I do a four-hour show and the Democrats ran stuff nationwide saying I've turned on Trump 23 days ago I don't care about being on CNN, ABC, and NPR and our channel. Those people don't listen to me anyways, but they take little 10-second clips out of context.

I know they do that. I just don't want Nick and my viewers to do that. I want you to listen to what I'm actually saying. Clearly, Epstein's Mossad, the CIA has asked Trump to cover it up. That's no-brainer. The question is, is Trump involved? If he was, where is the evidence? So I haven't figured this out yet.

And all I'm doing is, stream of consciousness, what you get on my show is what I'm thinking. No scripting, no nothing. and usually my job's easy. Is fentanyl good? No. Is open borders good? No. Is it war with Russia good? No. Is Rivaville attack in Iran? No.

My job, 95% of the time, is very easy. It's these type of issues where I can tell the listeners, I don't know. So, Nick, you've got the floor to say whatever you want here. I'm going to shut up for about 10 minutes because I've been talking for about five. And then I'm going to ask you the question after that. Maybe you can address it now. Okay. we can send Trump to Mars.

What comes next? Is this accelerationism? If Kamala was in, would that be better? Maybe it would because it piss us off more. I just don't know. So this is one of the few issues where I will tell listeners, I don't know. And all I can do is war game each scenario. And I would just ask people to realize if you see a 30 second club,

actually go see what I said because I will then say something completely different because I'm war gaming and don't know. So Nick is Simulcastle on Rumble. Nick J. Foyntz. And on X, great to have you, Nick. Thank you so much for the time. All right. And I want to stop for just a second.

We're going to get right into Nick speaking here. But this is what I've been doing as well. And I want everybody to understand. It's not that I hate Trump. And it's not that I want Trump to fail. It is a war gaming thing. It's in my head, I'm trying to figure out exactly why the Trump administration will be trying to cover up or hide the Epstein files.

It makes no sense. It doesn't make sense to any of us. including Alex Jones. And, you know, to stump Alex Jones when most in, in almost every other case, he has an answer or something to say about certain things. I guess at times has sounded like Alex Jones has been in support or at least, I guess, be an apologist for Trump in some ways. And there's been a lot of people out there.

I can't tell you, I'm close friends of ours, people that obviously you listeners that send us messages where there's so many people is like, look, he's got this big plan behind the scenes. Don't worry. Trust the plan. And I'm more on the side just to go ahead and tell you that I don't. think there's a big plan behind the scenes. If anything, there's a big plan behind the scenes to try to hide it or cover it up further. And so that's where I'm at with this. Now,

Sherry, before Nick talks, where are you at? What do you think actually is going on behind the scenes? I think that there is no cover up. And I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but I'm just saying when the Democrats were full administration for the past four years, if they had any dirt on Trump, why didn't they put it out then? And not. And, Now, why is it being withheld that Trump is in? Because I think that they tried to get any dirt they could possible on Trump while they were in office. And, you know, that includes lies, the Russian colluding thing, all that stuff. I mean, they put out lies.

They tried to kill him. They charged him with, you know, convicted him as a felon. They tried to murder him a couple times. You know, they've tried to do everything possible to keep him out of the administration. knowing that Americans wanted him in, I mean, by a populace by every demand. Yeah. I'm just saying, why didn't they come out with that when they were in charge of the administration? Why now?

Yeah, that's a good question. So that's your stance. You guys know mine. And let's listen to Nick Fuentes. Hey, Alex. Great to be with you. Yes, well, you know, we did promote this as a debate and we hyped it up and everything. But I agree with you.

I think it is more fruitful as a discussion because like you, I think me and the audience, we're trying to get to the truth. We want to know what is really going on here. And I also agree with you that we don't know. That's sort of the nature of it. That's why people have a problem. We just don't know because the government is not releasing the files. And this Epstein scandal has been like many of the other scandals concerning the deepest and most sordid types of corruption. It's concealed. It's hidden. There is not. government transparency. And without transparency, there can't be accountability. And so all of this is happening inside of the shadows. Now, that gets to my biggest criticism of Trump. And you know, you said

this a moment ago, and I understand where you're coming from. You say, are there other issues besides the Epstein issue? I've heard a lot of people say this. They say that for the MAGA base, which I consider myself a part of, even though I didn't vote for Trump, I'm the demographic. if the MAGA base is in revolt over the Epstein files, people say, are you throwing out the baby with the bathwater? What about the secure border? What about the progress that's being made, as you say, by RFK Jr., by Tulsi Gabbard, the good things that are happening at the administration? Is it worth it? In other words, people say, if he's failing on one narrow issue like Epstein, which people say realistically doesn't actually affect people's daily lives, they say, is that a mistake? Now, my position, is that you can't compartmentalize these issues. Contrary to that take or that defense, I don't think you're capable. I don't think it's possible to separate and cord and off the Epstein issue and say that's over here. And immigration and foreign policy and the rest of it is over there. Because the proposition of the first Trump campaign going back 10 years ago in

2016, or even in 2015, when Trump ran in the primary, he said that the reason that our politicians had failed us over 30 years on both sides, Republican side, Democrat side, the right and the left, he said it's not for a lack of trying, not for a lack of will. He said it's because the system has failed us. It's because of corruption. They can't deliver a real victory because they're not beholden to the people. Instead, they're beholden to foreign interests, special interests, donors, political PACs. And there was a suggestion of blackmail. There's a suggestion of a shadow operation happening behind the scenes. So why do we get these policies that are bad for America, like free trade, foreign wars, mass migration? They said, well, it's because the politicians

are not really the ones running the country. They're not running the country on behalf of the voters or the people, but rather they're being controlled by the money or the intelligence agencies or by some shadow element, the nature of which we don't fully understand. Now, he said a contravention of all of this, I will run, and I will deliver the real victories. I will reverse all the policies because I'm not controlled by those interests. And there was this foil with him and Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton personified that system. And she did come from the Democrat side, but she personified realistically both sides, the Bush dynasty, the Clinton dynasty, the Republicans, the Democrats, the Dennis Hasterts, and the Bill Clinton's. Hillary Clinton was

the epitome of corruption and the epitome of globalism. And so at 16, you have this proposition of, I'm going to run with no foreign influence, no blackmail, I'm going to fight the corruption and then deliver the victory. Now, fast forward 10 years later, and Trump seems to be covering up what is really the scandal of all scandals. It's the worst kind of scandal. It's got every negative attribute involved. It's children. It's sexual trafficking. It's blackmail. It's foreign intelligence. It's billionaire oligarchs. And you say, if Trump is covering that up, we lose faith in him. He loses all credibility as that leader, as that Caesar-like leader, this once-in-a-generation

figure leading a once-in-a-generation populist movement, it strips it of that character. And to get a lot, maybe a lot of this is rhetoric. Let's make it more concrete. If Trump is burying the Epstein files, which we don't know the information because that's exactly what's happening, and we'll get into that, I'm sure, as the night progress, But if Trump is burying these Epstein files, and we can't trust him, it leads to questions like, why are we not getting mass deportations? Why are we getting a war with Iran? The timing of all, this is a little conspicuous too. Is it because there's maybe more to the story? Do we have to draw a

negative inference that he's covering these things up? Because he's named in them, because he's a participant in them. He's compromised by them in some way. Is that why we're not getting what's delivered and how can we trust that he will deliver in the future? So to answer maybe the big defense of Trump, and I agree with you, we have to steal man the other position. We may not even agree with it. We might state it simply to entertain it. If the pro-Trump side is saying, if their argument is, well, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, the Epstein thing is a narrow, singular issue. If that's the primary defense, I would have to say it's not good enough because if he's named in these files, then everything is compromised.

Everything is touched and poisoned by the corruption. And when this cover up is going on, unfortunately, we cannot assume that he is not touched by it. We actually have to draw a negative inference. That's sort of the whole point. And I like you, I actually don't believe that Trump is necessarily guilty. I think that is a assumption. I think that's an inference.

I don't even think it's necessarily true that Trump was on the island. or that Trump was raping kids or that there's a videotape of Trump. I don't think that's even likely. But when he has covered it up in the way that he has, and as he's dug this hole deeper and deeper, having the DOJ cover it up, asking the FBI to look for his name, they told him his name was in there. Now he says his name was planted in there.

He says the whole thing's a hoax. You actually have to draw a negative inference and assume, if he's covering it up, there must be something there. If there wasn't something there, they would release the files. And so that's why I think this entire thing has disqualified him completely. I don't think it's one narrow issue, a singular issue among others. And even if it were, it's not a minimal issue. I think it touches everything.

And I think the very nature of these types of cover-ups, the nature of the opacity, the fact that it's opaque, the fact that we cannot see through it, the fact that it's been covered up and there's been a deception, there's been an active cover. up and attempt to change the subject and lie about the nature of it. We actually have to draw a negative inference and we actually have to assume that there is something damning in there. That's why we're not getting it. And if that's the case, then that means he's corrupt and he's in on it with the rest of

them. Now, I want to answer the question you said at the end because that's actually super important. And I'll sort of treat this like an opening statement. I don't want to ramble on and on and on and on. No, no. You got like three or four minutes left. Keep going. Sure.

Well, and to your point about what comes next, because that's a very good question. A lot of people wonder if Trump is failing, or that's the perception on many of these issues, like the foreign policy, like immigration, like the Epstein cover up. Question is, well, what comes next? Are we at the mercy of the left now? Are we supposed to now just be buried under Zoran Mondani's and Kamala Harris's and race communists and sharia law and this sort of thing? What I would say about Trump is this simple adage. When you come at the king, you can't miss. And what does that mean? obviously we all understand what that means. It means that when you come for the king, you have to finish the job. You cannot take half measures. It's actually worse to take a half measure because if you come at the king and you miss,

all you do is make the king mad. And the king has an army and the king has power. So if Trump, and when I say the king, of course I'm not even referring to Trump, I'm referring to this left-wing political system. If Trump has been coming at the king for 10 years with this 16. campaign with January 6th, with the revenge campaign in 24. If that is a 10-year campaign going after the king and he's missing over and over, failing to purge the bureaucracy, failing to implement Project 2025, failing to fire 50,000

employees, have the mass deportations. If it's this slow, if it's so unambitious, if he's already compromising and walking back and people having to come up with defenses for it, well, what are we doing? all we're doing is pissing off the people that really run the world. And if you miss, they get the next reply. And they're going to come after all of us hard. Trump, you, me, the supporters, the people in the administration. We learned that the hard way after January 6th.

You know, in a way, we kind of already did this in the first term. Trump came at the king, was not equipped, did not have the personnel, did not have the expertise. There's arguments about what went wrong, but needless to say, it didn't work. And so they came back and it was revenge of the Sith. It was Empire Strikes Back. They came down hard with the vaccine mandate, with the DOJ on the J-Sixers, with your lawfare, with the lawfare against Ricky Vaughn against many people. We came at the king. We missed. The king cracked down hard. Here we are again. And it feels like Des Chavu all over again.

We're coming at the king, coming at the establishment. And people say, well, you know, what about immigration enforcement? What about these other good things that are happening? I would argue we're six months in. I don't know. anybody that's satisfied. Now, people may be defending Trump and saying, hey, the best is yet to come. We passed a big, beautiful bill, we got the funding. And now in the next six months, we'll wrap up deportations. In the second half of the term, that's when things are really going to get underway. He's only six months in. I would argue if we didn't hit the ground running, if we don't come at it with seriousness and guns blazing, if we're playing catch-up six months in a year out of the

midterms, it's not going to happen. They will delay, they will procrastinate, they will sabotage, they'll throw up roadblocks like they did before. And what's going to happen is when we run out the clock at the end of this term, it's going to be the same thing, except the left is going to come back even harder and even more severe. And I question then, what good were the half measures if all they did was invite this reprisal? So that's why I really am an extreme skeptic.

I know you're skeptical too. I've watched your show. And we did hype it up and I said, I'm going to confront you. But if you watch your show, you've been critical. And you've talked about the Israeli element. No one can say you haven't been honest if they watch your show. I know you're a critic and a skeptic as well. I'm probably more skeptical and have been far more critical.

We both want the truth. But I think we're both kind of mapping out. Trump has put both of us in a predicament and the whole country. How do we now get out of it? That's really the question. So that's kind of where I'm at. And for the purpose of this debate or conversation, we can dispense with the rhetoric and just speak in practical terms. Where do we go from here?

because like you said, we're very short on answers and it's left us with a lot of questions. Yeah. So, yeah, there's a lot to say with that, right? I mean, he went out and said a lot of stuff. Number one, Nick didn't vote for Trump. And that was one of my big things during the 2024 election where me and Nick a couple times had, you know, he was almost actively trying to push people not to vote for Trump. And I would always go on there and say, are you a moron?

Like, what are our other options? because if we don't have Trump in, you get the same shit that we've had over the past four years. You get the bureaucracy. You get the forcing of mandates during COVID. You get what I believe would have led to a tyrannical state, a dictatorship. And I truly believed that. I think that's what they were really ramping up. But I think we are already in a tyrannical state, a dictatorship of sorts.

I think it is behind the scenes. It's not necessarily Trump or Biden. It is the deep state. It is the people that really pull the strings. It is the people that really have all of this stuff, the files, the, the black mail, the everything they have. And, you know, you can say, hey, it's Mossad, which it may very well be. The CIA is also playing a role in this. But I just did want to say Nick didn't vote for Trump to begin with.

And as Nick said, without transparency, there can't be accountability. And that is 100% a fact. The only thing that I think that Trump's people want is transparency. And that is exactly what Trump ran on, regardless of whether people. people want to say, well, Trump didn't run on Epstein solely. But what we do know is that almost everybody that was pressured into the Trump administration of who to hire for the reasoning of the Epstein files, such as Cash Patel. I mean, I can't even explain how many people influenced, you know, these, I can't even say

how many people influenced, I guess is what I'm trying to say, the Trump administration to make certain picks. And especially from social media like. X and whatever. And I'm talking about Cash Patel. I'm talking about even Dan Bonino. And in some ways, Pam Bondi, even though people were questionable on Pam Bondi because, you know, she was agey in Florida at one point in time. That was around the time the Epstein was being charged to begin with, which they gave a sweetheart deal to, which she technically was not a part of, just to put that out there. But is he covering because he may be compromised in some way? That's one

question. And as you already said, Sherry, it doesn't seem like that would be the case, obviously, especially considering if the Democrats had these files, they had this dirt on Trump before Trump ever got into office. Obviously, you would think they would have released the files and played this out because he would have been destroyed, never would have got into office. But then again, if Trump is saying on the same point that these files are a hoax, they have, they have implanted my name in certain places, they've done. whatever they can to try to manipulate the files. Why would they not have done that before the 2024 election?

That's the question. That is a good question. But when you think about going back to even the flight logs, yes, his name was on the flight log. So how are you on the flight log and you don't go to Epstein Island? Yeah. That makes no sense. And another thing is he asked them, is my name on the file?

And they said, yes, your name is in the file. He said, this is when he started calling it a hoax. Yeah. But he knows for himself if he was at the island or not. And if he was at the island, do you think he would be campaigning to have these files exposed? Wow. He never really, but that goes back to. I don't think he really did campaign.

I mean, he talked a lot about, you know, before his presidency in 2024, about the Democrats hiding these files. And he would speak on that, you know, on several occasions. He would, obviously, this was not something that he went out and campaigned solely on. I mean, Trump's big. campaign promise was close the borders, you know, get America back to the way America should be, we have to do tariffs on countries. If, you know, we got to, we got to bring down this national deficit.

I mean, there were so many things that people were really excited about Trump for, but also the big reason, there's a huge reason in some ways, if you want to say unspoken, because there's so many people that said Trump didn't campaign on that. But everyone believe that because Trump and everybody he picked and especially all the times he talked about the Epstein files and what the Democrats wouldn't. and do, which was released the files. But now you get into office, you get into the second term. And also during this time when this Epstein heat is on the Trump administration, you

have Benjamin Netanyahu coming to meet, what, three times in a month, you know, and supposedly this was all about the Gaza war and ceasefire. But that shit was already somewhat settled. I mean, that's nothing that a phone call can't do. But this was actively happening during the time that the Epstein stuff was blowing up. this is when the Trump administration, Bondi and all of them were lying. They were going back and forth.

Do we have the files? Do we not? Do we have 10,000s of videos or do we not? And then Benjamin Net Yahoo would show up. And he'd be like, you know, whatever. And then after that, there would be another storyline. And there would be something else come out. So there's a lot of people to ask the question,

how much was BB's meetings in the White House, you know, I guess a direct result of the response by the Trump administration? But nonetheless, you know, when Trump goes out, It's noted. It is it is proved now that Trump did ask the FBI to look for his name. FBI came back and said, yes, your name's on there. And that's when Trump started to say it was a hoax. And that's when Pam Bondi came out and said, we've gone through all these files and these tapes.

There's no tapes of the actual Epstein Island. These are all just disgusting tapes of porn, child porn that we are never going to show the public about these. Because these are so disgusting. but they have nothing to do with Epstein Island. And it's just so crazy how Pam Bondi and Cash Patel changed their, and Dan Bongino changed their entire stance, especially Dan Van Gino. And for a while,

I thought he was going to quit because, you know, his reputation right now is on the line and he stands highly on his reputation. Obviously, he's not quit yet. But there is definitely some friction going on between all three of them. And then I also wanted to mention, too, that when Trump first started picking his cabinet members, his first pick for AG was Matt Gates. Remember, and Matt Gates started going through the initial interviews and just decided this is not going to work because they were going to pull his skeletons out of the works. Yeah. You know, with him being with underage girls or whatever.

And this was probably not a good look for him. So Pam Bondi. Even though, by the way, they dropped. Nobody had any evidence on any of that stuff. But they were going to pull skeletons and they're going to try to make it as bad as possible. Because I like Matt Gates. I think he's a decent guy. Maybe he did, you know, have a girlfriend that was 17 years old.

I don't know. You know, I don't really know all the background. But I guess my point is Matt Gates was the original first pick. Yeah. And then he went to Pam Bondi. But you know what's interesting about that too? And this is not all about Israel. But, you know, since Matt has, you know, kind of.

I had to step down. Obviously, he's no longer a congressman anymore. Any of that stuff. Or wait, he was a senator, right? Senator. I believe he was a senator. So, but he's come out, especially about Israel and Mossad and Epstein a lot. I mean, he has his own show, I think, on O-A-N or or in it, whatever, whatever network it is. He has come out a lot about what he believes is the involvement and the blackmail ring and scheme and who is behind it. He has said it publicly. He has said it on mainstream media. He's set it on his own podcast. he said it on social media. He has been pretty out there with that accusation.

And, you know, as Alex even mentions here in the beginning and Nick Quintez and a lot of people say, I don't think it's any, you know, secret now, it seems that this entire Epstein thing was the Mossad operation primarily. And so could there have been a reason that Matt Gates was not picked under the Trump administration as AG? And that now, you know, right about the time that he was picked. he was about to be confirmed and all this stuff. All this shit come out about him again.

And we've talked about in past podcast that perhaps we don't even have the files. Maybe Mossad has them hidden somewhere. And that's where the blackmail is coming from. And that's how Trump is being blackmailed. Yeah. I mean, that could be a possibility because it was just like a 180 degree turn. Yeah. As far as Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino.

Well, Bon Gino even said, like I said, on Tim Poole, and we've played it on the podcast before on other episodes to where Bonino said, I was told by a very high up source that the files or somewhere else. They're not here. Likely in a country in the Middle East. We're not going to say exactly what country it is. Oh, I wonder. Yeah. And that was Bonino on previous podcast. And then even Bonino about two weeks ago, he came out and said, guys, I just want you to know in an ex post.

He said, you know, some of the things I've seen. based on our investigations or whatever, I'm never going to be the same again. And everybody was like, we deserve to know what the hell you're talking about. And even the fact that now they're going back against that he did suicide himself and he was not unaligned by other people. Yeah.

You know, and they're backtracking and saying, oh, yeah, it was suicide. And, you know, with all the tapes and the missing minutes. All the fake tapes, by the way.

Yeah, the fake tapes and the missing one minute and then missing two minutes. But they were not even real tapes in the beginning. And they're just trying to put these off to the public. and they're expecting the public to be dumb and not respond and believe everything they say. By the way, Pam Bondi and DOJ just recently came out two days ago, though, and say that they have recovered the missing one minute. Oh, but there's really two minutes is what I've heard now. Well, it's actually multiple minutes, I believe, and it's a bunch of bullshit. One thing I do want to disagree with Nick Fuentes about Trump, though, is that he did hit the ground running.

I think in the first six months, he has made tremendous gangs. Gains. Gains. gains. Sorry, it's a gangs. He's made tremendous gains of what he's doing. He has shut down our borders. There's like zero people coming through now. And that's a good thing because when Biden was in as president, I don't even know how many millions of people are coming in. It was a lot. Millions and millions of people were coming into our borders. At least our borders are shut down and we have accountability for that. And with all this stuff going on with ICE and the protests and the people getting pissed at ice, you know, it's hard to do your job when you have such conflict, political conflict. Yeah. Well, and I think what Fintez is saying here is not necessarily that Trump didn't shut down the border, but Trump did heavily campaign on day one. We're going to have the biggest mass immigration or deportation in world history.

And so if you look at actually the deportations, I think Nick Fuentes pointed this out, I believe in some ways. the Obama deported more people during his term than Trump has so far. But Trump's only been there six months. I think he's done an amazing job. Yeah. And I think they were just trying to say up to the point of where Trump is and Obama was at that time. That would be hard to believe. But who knows.

I mean, but you know, and so that's kind of where we're at right now. Now let's listen to what Alex has to say. So that's a powerful 10 minutes, Nick. And I agree with everything he said. So I'm in full heart. They will indict me for sure if they get back in. I want Trump. be successful. And then I watched him 24 days ago, literally come out and say, through that memo,

don't investigate. He killed himself. It wasn't even trafficking, though, his co-conspirators in jail for it. And then they said, I got attacked by all the MAGA influencers saying you're a traitor. And then Trump, two days later, yeah, I'm behind it, shut it down. So I'm in full horror mode. Let me ask you this question. So I'm not going to spend 10 minutes countering back here. We're going to hear what you have to say. How could Trump, even he was raping kids, which you said, there's some evidence of that. It's obviously the CIA Mossadi's made a deal. That's what I've been told by the White House. Like, hey, we had to make a deal with national security. I'm just telling you, folks, that's what it is. At least that's what they told me. That makes sense. Why then would they bring attention to it and behave like this? Well, he's 79. He has been in nine years, basically, as the president. I couldn't handle this of 51. And the truth is, is that Trump doesn't give up. He doesn't break down, but he cracks up. And from my sources, and I don't say this mainly, folks, I just can't lie to the audience.

He can't handle the pressure. And instead of having, you know, Democrat operatives in his White House, he now has Israelis. And look, I'm the guy that always said China's the main issue, the EU, the globalist, black rock. because Israel controlled our farm policy at least, but they weren't from all my research to the dominant group, so I would just say what I knew. But now in this power vacuum,

Israel is bragging their newspapers that they're the superpower they control Trump. Well, how do they control Trump? And we know Epstein is Mossad, Maxwell's dad, all of them, and for the best intel I have, Trump shut this down for that.

And now he's pissed because the Democrats turned around, even though Trump made a deal and are bringing it up, and that's what he's doing, and he's walked into a trap. So now he's trying to kind of extricate. So it's a nightmare. And so, listen, my listeners want me to go on Trump. I don't do what my listeners want. I do what I think's best.

But at this point, I don't even know what to do because my enemies want to put me in prison, and we know their child molesters and let the border open, everything. We know they're bad. and then now Trump's this big thing. And all I can say is Trump rode in on the populist wave and populace running everywhere. So we should not put all our eggs in this basket. But I'm also trying to decide, okay, don't want the Democrats to win the House.

Do I? Trump needs to indict them for Crossfire Hurricane. He needs to release the Epstein files. He needs to stop listening to the CIA or he's doomed. I mean, I think that is clear to me that, like you said, you don't shoot at the king once and miss and then barely survive. He's gotten a second shot and we've got to take them down. He's got to do that.

And so I think it's existential. If Trump doesn't go to full war and actually do something, then by extension, he's given to the bad guys. And so I think really, at the end of the day, it's all about action. Because America will forgive him for whatever this is if he backs away from him and indicts them for a thing. things they've done that are cut and dry. But if they don't, but that's a whole of the discussion, Nick. Let's talk about what Trump should do, but also what is the way out of this?

Because I'm like, pissed at Trump. And then I look over there and I'm like, literal shark tank of piranhas ready to eat me in the country. And I am, I'm actually during the headlights at this point, because I'm just like, I mean, this is a nightmare scenario. And Alex makes a great point here. not going to take up a lot of time in between this break. But, you know, one of the things that Alex said was they won indict me for sure if they get back in. So whereas Nick, you know, he's already lost everything.

You know, he's, you know, literally had a guy show up at his house to kill him. And that was what, the months ago. How did a guy show up to kill him? I was a guy. No, it was a guy. No, it was a guy. And a guy had already killed other people before he went to Nick's house. And this was when everybody was talking hardcore shit about Nick because Nick had that

video the shock and all thing like we talked about where he says your body my choice that's what nick said that's the way he gets messaging out and it's obviously you know something that was he had already said host that he said well satirical or you know whatever but that is what people do to get their videos viral they do crazy shit to where everyone in the entire world sees it and unfortunately for nick there are definitely crazy people out there but as alick says they will indict me for sure if they get back in and Alex is fearful of that. And I think most people are fearful that you're going to look at this in two ways, you know, regardless of how you think Trump is handling the Epstein thing, which is a huge issue.

There's also people out there, us, Americans, patriots that love our country and don't want our country to be destroyed like many countries around the world have been by the globalists. They're looking at this and saying, you know, if the Democrats, if that side of the party gets back in, you look at the guy that is running for New York mayor right now, which is going to destroy New York. you know already there are police officers retiring or quitting the new york police department which they don't need as it is because there's already been so many of them quit as you know already and they're already understaffed but they're already quitting just because they believe that this guy's likely going to be voted in and once he is voted in everybody's going to quit in new york

police department and so we don't want what we had because this time around it's going to be ten times worse and so in 2026 which is the midterms we're going to decide the house the Senate there again potentially and when you have but that's also the reason why Trump and the administration cannot handle this Epstein thing like they are because you're going to hand the Democrats a win that literally they had no chance of in 2026 without this Epstein thing and I think in my opinion if we think about Israel and if we think that Israel is the main responsible party potentially or allegedly to the Epstein blackmail scandal if we think that they are involved well, you have to understand that Democrats obviously likely know that.

And the Democrats also know that Trump is president now. He wants to be pro-Israel. He was the one that did the Abraham Accords in Israel and all this shit. So, you know, this Israel is supposedly our biggest ally. You have, as Alex has already talked about, that he, according to his sources. And look, Alex is not just bullshit when he says, my sources high up. Alex has a lot of sources high up. And, you know, he says he, Trump is under.

there's so much pressure. And it's not this time by the Democrats. It is by the Israelis that are inside of the administration that are almost like his babysitter right now. Yeah. And it's not only that, but they're also spying on him. Yeah, absolutely. And that's what they do. As we played that clip, you know, a two or three weeks ago where the CIA guy said every time the Israelis would come and he was, you know, when they would come into the CIA building. He went to jail actually for treason, I think. Yeah, treason and all this up. Because he told the truth about what was going on. Yeah, but he said every time the Israelis would come into our building, we had to scan everything that they had. And every single time they came in, they had bugging devices, that they

were going to bug our offices, they were going to bug our meeting rooms, they were going to bug everything they possibly could. He said there was not one time that Israelis ever came to the CIA headquarters that they, we did not catch them with bugs. Not one time. So it's just what most people to understand is like how involved Israel is in the United States. And the obviously bigger question is, you can ask yourself a billion, trillion times. Why? That's a whole other thing. But I think it's obviously just to manipulate blackmail and control the United States government

and politics. And I mean, you can go to APEC to know how much money they give Democrats and Republicans. But what I'm saying is I think the Democrats know the control that Israel does likely have over the Trump administration right now. So they're going to play this. Oh, yeah. Oh, hell yeah, they're going to use it because they know it.

They're like, oh, Trump's going to release Epstein files. Really? Are you really going to release them? Are you really going to release the Epstein file? So, and like Alex said, he's been told that Trump had to make a deal because of national security. And we've already heard this. We heard, I think, Pam Bondi or someone else say, we got to be careful what we release because of national security. What the hell does that have anything to do?

Yeah. What does it have to do with anything besides an ally, right? You got to think about it. It's likely tied to an ally. That would mean a national security or a, uh, intelligence agency operation. That is what it means. And so anytime you hear any of Trump administration talking about, we also got to look out

for national security. And I think Cash Patel said this as well. It's just all bullshit. And I'm sure that whoever is inside the White House and all these people that are kind of around Trump, they're saying, look, guys, this is a freaking intelligence operation, Trump. And if you fuck around with this, you will be killed. You know, we'll kill your ass if we have to. I mean, that's, who knows if that's what they're saying.

Well, it reminds me when I always say his name wrong, say it for me. Nia, not who or whatever. Netanyahu. When he came on Brett. When he came on Brett Bears, Brett Bear interviewed him and BB said, yeah, the Iranians tried to assassinate Trump.

And then Brett said, well, how do you know this? Yeah. And it's like he could not even give specific answers. It is almost like he was using Iran, but it wasn't really them, that maybe it could have been Israel that was, you don't know,

planting something to make. it looked like it was Iran. Yeah. Yeah. And there's, I mean, I don't think there's any evidence to anybody that's tried to assassinate Trump had anything to do with Iran. What we do know is, you know, that the guy in Florida, you know, he was over in Ukraine. He was tied to Ukraine heavily.

He was recruiting, you know, these mercenaries inside of Ukraine, but was an American citizen. The guy at the golf cart. Yeah, the golf course. Yeah. Can't even remember his name now. Not crooks, but the other dude. No crooks. But anyways, all right, let's continue this conversation.

I agree. I mean, we feel stuck. I don't feel stuck because I, you know, a year ago, I was saying that we would sort of end up in a similar predicament. No, man, let me stop me again. I'll give you 10 minutes. I said that before we came on, I said, listen, I have guessed on that are consistently right.

You can disagree with overall your views or whatever, but you've been dead on. So my North Star is, who's the most accurate? That's why I've won. So you did predict all this, which makes me physically ill. So what? Look at the crystal ball, Nick Pointess. what is going to happen and then what do we do?

It's hard to say what is going to happen next because, you know, I was going to say we are in a way stuck. We're stuck with Trump for the next four years. And when I say stuck, I mean, whether you think it's good or bad, he's the president and he's in this incontestable position. That was sort of the aspect of it was very concerning to me, which is that if you have Kamala Harris, she has no legitimacy. So a lot of people like to think, well, if Kamala won, what would that have looked like? Obviously, it would not have been as good. The economy wouldn't be as good. The border wouldn't have been as good.

And that's obvious. But what was less concerning to me about Kamala against all of that is that she was a lot less stable. And not by that I don't mean mentally. I mean that she had no legitimacy as a ruler because she didn't win the Democrat primary fair and square and never did. She didn't. Nobody would believe she won the general election. If she won, no one would accept that that was a fair and square deal. And so the regime would have been a lot less stable and would have had a lot less leeway.

What I fear with Trump is that he has this cult-like status within the GOP. And when you look at the approval ratings over the past month, he has been declining with independence. He's hit Aloha Democrats, as always. But his approval with Republicans has been remarkably stable. It's been stabilized at just under 90% approval. even in spite of everything, in spite of bombing Iran, in spite of floating the amnesty deal, in spite of the Epstein files.

And so you say to yourself, where do we go from here? What do we do next? We're in this sort of intractable position where there's nothing we can do because he's there and no one can challenge him. He steamrolled Congress to get the BBB. He steamrolled many of the people in the primary throughout this whole process. And so you say, if Trump is failing us, if he's failing as a guy, And I agree with you, there's some sympathy with it.

You don't say it to be mean. You don't say it even necessarily to be critical, but just descriptively, this is an old man. He has been fighting for a long time. He is tired. And you can see that he can't handle it. You can see that it is a crackup, that he cannot handle these questions. And you watch these press conferences, these interviews. It's extraordinary the way he keeps digging.

The way he gets asked about it and puts his foot in his mouth with this sort of, oh, well, we need to just stop thinking about that. And it's a Democrat hoax. And you say, how is it even possible that he's fumbling to this hard? So much so that people are saying maybe it's calculated because it is not possible to mess it up this back. He's failing. He's cracking up at the same time. Oh, yeah. I love the futard saying, saying, oh, he's going to make Democrats release the file. He's in control of it, dumbasses.

Exactly. He appointed the attorney general. It's under his purview. He could release it if he wants to. Pam Bonnie could do it. Trump could tell her to do it. And so he's in this position. He's clearly not well. And you could speculate about his health or something like that. But just suffice to say he's not handling this well. But he also is immovable. And what's more is, and we talked about this the last time, there's this exuberance.

And that really scared me when he came into office. And by scared, I don't want to sound like a resistance liberal or something. You know, but a year ago, I was concerned about this Trojan horse thing. He's going to take all the Republicans with him. Anything he'll do will have his imprimatur of credibility. 90% of Republicans will support it no matter what. But then he gets into office. Then he wins the election.

And you see a Trump that is unchained where he's like, we're going to take Canada, we're going to take Greenland, we're going to take Panama, we're going to go to war with Russia, we're going to go to war with China. And you're like, this is a guy that is not handling it well. He's incontestable. And he's totally exuberant, has this like God complex situation. And so we're kind of strapped in for the next three years. And, you know, I would say eight years ago, what I would have said, what is our course of action?

I would have said, we have to fight for the personnel. We got to get a new chief of staff. We got to get Susie Wiles out. We got to get control of the White House, rest control of it from the bad personnel, get the good advisors in. You know, but we did that already. And even now, I don't think it's possible. I think that this is just how it's been the entire time. And, you know, Trump, if he knows, he knows how to get in touch.

with you. He knows how to get in touch with all these people that are critical. He won't do it. You know, and by the way, the people that are at the FBI, it's Cash Patel, it's Dan Bongino, it's Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr. Elon Musk was on the team. So you would say, who would he call to get him out of the mess? Who would be the dream team personnel that could steer the ship away from the rocks? Well, they're already kind of there. I mean, what could we have better? You know, If we're thinking about MAGA personnel that you could plug in that could solve the problem that represents the base, could you do much better than Cash Patel and Dan Bongino? Could you do much better than Vivek? And not to say that these are the best people ever, but these are pretty MAGA people.

These are pretty outside the system people to bring in. And so you wonder if they can. And I'm going to like, I just have to say this, I got a bunch of calls the last three weeks. And the calls go like this. What do you want? and I've never asked for anything. What I want is a good policy. I always want to be the outsider.

And I'm just like, what do I, what do I want? I want to make America ready again. I want America first. So there's a real understanding of this administration that we're it, we're in charge, this is the way it is, and the fact that I get these calls, like the top of the administration, and they're just cut and drive.

What do you want? and I'm just like, uh-huh, uh-huh. And again, the horror of Hakeem Jeffries and Pocahontas is right there. And that's why I'm in this paradox where I'm like, whoa. And so, I mean, I fear, I feel disaster. I'm going to be honest with yours. I have nothing I can do but to tell the truth. I am just in a nightmare because the Democrats are pure satanic scum.

We know who they are. And you've got all this delusions of grandeur. People that know Trump well say, it's beyond megalomania. He does not care. He does whatever he wants, which is good to not care about Democrats. He doesn't even respond to their attacks anymore

because he literally doesn't care and thinks he's invincible. And now he's negotiating with Russia and China and North Korea and Iran. And just a week ago had a meeting with Zelensky and said, Maybe we'll give you heavy bombs to bomb Moscow. And now they may overthrow Zelensky. So you get this idea that it's like this swirling crazy town. And you have last week the CIA director at that meeting they had, that cabinet meeting, and Ratcliffe literally leans back and goes, like,

first kind of like demoning out in the meeting and I'm like, and I'm just like, I'm like literally looking at places to run to it. in the southern hemisphere for nuclear war. And I'm not the tiny guy that runs. My instincts are run, run, run. And the Democrats want to defeat Trump, and the Democrats want to rape our kids, and I know they're bad,

and then you've got all this crazy Trump delusion, and I smell death. And so Europe and Chicago, I'm in Austin, big cities, this is real world stuff. So at this point, I just want listeners of viewers to know. Let me ask you a stick.

Comment to just the Armageddon flavor of this, but then larger issue, is there any way to extricate Trump? Is there any path in your view out of this? Or what do we do? Because obviously the behavior of the last three weeks on Epstein is not trillion DHS. It is flailing anger,

or it's covering something. up. I mean, this is just, you can't lie about what this is, which I've been saying, I don't know what it is. All right. I want to pause for a second before Nick talks, but he's right, right? You have, even with the Ukraine thing, for example, you know, Trump three weeks ago when Ratcliffe, which is what Alex Jones is saying during this meeting and he was on camera. And as soon as Trump announced, which I don't even think Ratcliffe knew, director of CIA. I don't think he knew. actually this moment that that Trump was going to give bombs to Ukraine. And so Trump is saying this at the board or at the board meeting or the board table,

I guess I can say with media in there. And you see Ratcliffe just put his head back and like, oh, yeah, he's going to give more weapons. I mean, and it was like he was just like fanboying out like hell, yes, we got it done. And that's the thing. Trump leading into this election was talking. talking so much shit about the amount of money that we have given Ukraine. And then you have this big blowup inside of the Oval Office, I believe it was Oval Office, where Zelensky came.

And it was J.D. Vance and Trump. And they were talking shit to, you know, kicked him out. kicked him out of the White House and said, I can't believe you would dress like that, basically. And don't, you know, you're not going to come in here and demand this and this. And then what was it? Like two weeks later, Trump's like, well, we're going to give weapons to Ukraine. And. But do you not think it's because of.

Putin's response and he's not coming to the table like Trump thought he would. You know, Trump is a business guy and he does have a God complex. But I feel like I want somebody in charge of our country that does have that, somebody that thinks they are invisible or invisible or invisible. He needs to be invincible. There's probably times lately that he wants to be invisible for sure. But I want somebody like that that has that, you know, I'm bigger than what people think I am.

Yeah, absolutely. I want, we need somebody in charge like that. Well, that's how he got to the position he's in now. Yeah. And we, we need somebody to make decisive decisions and go to the bargaining table and stop the wars. That's what he campaigned on. But I think Putin didn't come to the table like Trump thought he would.

Well, and neither did Israel. You know, you got to keep this in mind. You know, Trump being this big God complex, bigger than, bigger than life character, you know, during the bombings between Iran and Israel. and, you know, whoever, you know, you had Trump saying, um, they don't know what the fuck they're doing. Yeah. And we literally post that video on Instagram.

It blew up. And there's a lot of people that were like, damn, you know, Trump's kind of calling out Israel because Israel was not listening. Right. Benjamin Net Yahoo did not listen to what the United States said not to do. And what did they do? Well, they continue to do exactly what they've been doing. And by the way, they haven't stopped since.

They have not stopped since Trump said there was going to be a ceasefire. There hasn't been a ceasefire. They have not stopped bombing, including. multiple churches that are Christian churches over the past two weeks. There have been tons of Christians that were killed in these bombings that supposedly Israel says was a mistake. But regardless of that, Israel is not listening to Trump. You have, you know, and I said this before, you know, Trump leading into 2024 where he

was like, I can stop this war on day one. Putin's going to listen to me. There's no question. And then when he gets in, you know, as this God complex figure, Putin's like, the hell I am. Yeah, I'm going to do what I want. Yeah, because Putin can't look like a bitch on the world stage. Right. I mean, and if he just automatically crumbles under Trump's pressure or the administration, then Russia not only just loses face and loses superiority. But even in his interview with Tucker, he acted like, yes, I think things are going to be way better when Trump becomes president.

I think we can negotiate and stop these wars and something can be done. We just, just need somebody with some logical sense to, you know, get to the bargaining table and stop this. Yeah. Putin was even saying that. Like he was welcoming Trump to come in and that he was welcoming, well, sorry, welcoming him to the bargaining table. Yeah. And then he backed off.

Well, and that's the thing. I mean, we, we don't know exactly what the deal is. But what I do know is that, you know, if you're going to campaign heavily about the amount of money and the amount of weapons and everything else we've sent Ukraine and then now you're saying you're sending weapons to Ukraine. Same thing goes with Epstein. You know, hey, Democrats didn't release this. They're hiding this.

They're hiding that. And then you get in office and now you're really hiding it, doubling down, tripling down, getting your entire administration to have to double and triple down. This is why people are starting to lose hope. Yeah. And it's not. And like I said, I am absolutely more conservative than I am on the left or whatever. I'm more libertarian.

I've said this forever. I am for the people, not the government. The government should be working for us. And so anytime. And I think that's what Trump's trying to do. Well, I, well, that's the thing. I mean, is he or is he not? And we don't know for sure.

And I think a lot of things he is. I mean, the closed borders and the things, some of the things he promised has happened, right? There's no question. And he has done a decent job so far. But what I'm saying is by the libertarian thing or like Alex Jones and Nick are debating here. You know, and that's why I say when we get emails and messages where people are like, oh, my God, you're turning against Trump. I can't believe you.

You might as well just be a Democrat now. No, I'm not a freaking Democrat because I question or criticize something that a sitting president is doing, whether it is a conservative or a Democrat. I've said that and I don't know how much more clear I can be on this. I don't give a damn who is in office. If it's Trump, if it's Biden, if it's whoever, if we see things that are not adding up that are obviously not transparent and it seems like they're lying to us, I don't give a damn who it is.

And I feel like that if you're one of those people, that say that, okay, well, Trump's in office and he's allowed to lie to us. His entire administration is allowed to lie to us, but Democrats are not. Right. Then you're in a cult. Right. And that's the problem. And I don't think being in a cult obviously is a good thing at all.

That's why so many people have problem with religion. There's a difference in like having a relationship with God or Jesus and then going to church to where there are groups of people in that church that want to look down on you and make you feel like you're a piece of shit because, I don't know, because you're, a sinner, although they are too, but they want to make you feel like you're a center or they want to make you feel like you're lesser than them, right? And so not as cool. Yeah.

And that's the cult mentality. And, you know, and I believe there's cult mentality on both sides. I do. I agree. But it was interesting that they brought up Akeem Jeffries and Pocahontas. And by the way, she fell today. Did you know that? I saw that.

No. On social media. Or what? She fell somewhere. Like in the, she fell off a step. But it was interesting that they brought these. these two leaders up do you think these are the leaders of the democrat party no no i mean hakeem jeffreys has always basically been i guess the leader for a large part of democrat party pocahontas

definitely is not elizabeth warren we're talking about um but no i mean you know but anyways i don't want to i don't want to go too much uh into this i'm going to let nick finish what he's about to say uh because this is pretty long we're probably not going to play the whole thing but we got to break down all this because we've been having many episodes on this and in august what we're really going to try to do in August is we're going to try not to be so political, but we're still going to talk about politics. I mean, I know some of you out there, but like, I don't like politics. I don't want to hear it. But guys, listen, I mean, what most people don't understand, I guess, is that most conspiracies come from politics. I mean, if you just think about it,

Martin Luther King, JFK, even the UFO stuff. I mean, Project Blue Beam, Operation Northwoods. I mean, just go down the line of conspiracies. How do you not play that into politics and government? It's just not possible. So I just wanted to point that out. But we will definitely do more paranormal, more kind of like we're going to do the Ami evil horror stuff. My alley. Yeah.

Coming up, we're going to do the Andyville horror deal. Oh, by the way, the Annabel doll is missing. Yeah. Yeah, I heard that. And then we're also going to do we got a feral people episode coming up, which is going to be a good one. Got a great intro on that as well.

But anyways, let's get back into the club. I think it's over. I think it's over for him. And look, he's going to be. be the president for the next few years, and he will deliver some tangible benefits. It's not all bad from a policy point of view. He has closed the border, and maybe there can be some effort that's being made on debanking and free speech. I would say that is one of the great net positives, even though he didn't even really deliver that. I would argue that was more Elon Musk. Actually,

with Trump, it's the reverse. They're going to bring back TikTok, but now there's going to be censorship. And I don't know if you saw, but they just negotiated this deal where they're going to have a new footnotes feature on TikTok or it's like a fact check. It's like the fake news thing that Facebook did. So, you know, there may be some more leeway in terms of free speech. I've heard there might be some better regulations for debanking. That might go away. This reputational harm might be eliminated as a consideration from the Federal Reserve for banks. There will be good trade deals. I think some of the trade deals, like with the European Union, like with these Asian countries, there will be some tangible benefits. With that being said,

Trump is still a lame duck. He is a lame duck president. And many of the aspects of this presidency, they're just not living up to what needs to happen. And there's no future for him politically. I don't even think if he was eligible to run, we would want to vote for him yet another time in 2028. So like I said last year, I think what the MAGA base has to do is sort of recognize we still need to use what we can get out of this. You know, maybe we could have people work in the White House. There's many Groypers that are in this administration that are building their resumes.

That's a good thing. People should still be doing that. And there are people like you and I that are benefiting from the free speech renaissance on Rumble on X. We will benefit from that and from the debanking regulations. But separately, at the same time, we have to start to imagine, to your point, that question, what do you want? What do we want after Trump?

Because when he leaves office and most likely pardons himself, you and I will still be here picking up the pieces. And even to the extent that we criticize Trump or have criticized Trump, it will make no difference when the left persecutes us. So even though I didn't vote for him, even though you've been fair and objective and critical, it will make no difference when the Democrats come in and clap back on all of us on the entire right wing. And we will not get a presidential pardon. So we'll be sweeping up after him one way or the other. We have to start to think, what is our lives? What is our political movement?

What is MAGA, the populist America First Movement? what will it be when Trump sunsets? And I think he's already in a meaningful way sunsetted. There's just nothing new there. It's not dynamic. It's not progressive. It's not forward thinking. It's just sort of static and waiting to be resolved, waiting for him to exit stage left. We have to start to think in 28 what is the next phase? What is the next booster rocket after Trump decouples? What will that be? So let's speak to that. What is the next phase? Because Trump did not defend free speech when I taken off and he got taken off everything. Elon, because I only get credit words, too, he is the champion of that. They ran him off with Susie Wallace didn't like him. But we're all living

under that umbrella. Trump wouldn't have gotten in without Elon, in my view. What is your view on that? And so what is the Elon wild card there? Well, what is interesting about Elon is introducing this America party. I'm actually interested to see where that goes. And what the outcome of that is we'll tell us a lot about that dynamics in 2028 because clearly both parties are breaking up. I actually think maybe Trump is having this spectacular crash out or somewhat argued maybe dying with a whimper. I think that it's a good thing because you see that both the right and the left, 10 years after Trumpism are disintegrating. The left does not know where to go. And there is this big battle going on right now in the left between the radical progressives and the

liberal establishmentarians. Yeah, let's be clear. The left has the lowest approval rating in their history. No fundraising. They're flatline. And then Trump commits political suicide saying, don't look at Epstein. I mean, it's insane.

But I don't think that's a bad thing. Because the left has been disintegrated by Trump. Trump has utterly defeated them. It's sort of like the Soviet Union. Like Trump matching them and just being tough and outlasting them, they have sort of killed themselves with wokeism, with the purity spiral, with the inherent contradictions. They are disintegrated.

They are just not an effective operation right now. And I want to stop for a second because what Trump was, I believe, for the Democrat Party was kryptonite. And regardless of whatever happens in 2008, whoever becomes the new frontrunner for the Republican Party, or as Nick Fuentes talks about here, the America Party, which is what Elon Musk has talked about and discussed, even though there are definitely people that are trying to jump on board with that shit that I don't want any part of, you know, like Mark Cuban and some of these shitheads that are out there.

You know, and I don't necessarily think that the America party is going to be the answer either, 100%, because there's, you're going to have so many people in that party that are disagreeing on so many things. I mean, and I think that's why in large part the Democrat and Republican Party work because you have too far, you have a far right and a far left concept or idea or solution to the way America works. And this America party that supposedly for the people, I don't think you're ever going to get enough people to agree in that party enough to actually vote people in.

Would that not be more like a libertarian party? It kind of would. I mean, that's what you would hope for, obviously. But it just depends because regardless of the America party, there are going to be people that get in there, they're going to infiltrate it. And it will divide and conquer as well. I mean, it's kind of like what's happening, I believe in the Republican Party right now. And at a time, by the way, for the Republican Party that you had everything going for you.

And I know that there's probably people right now thinking like, are you really saying the Republican Party is dying? No. I'm not necessarily saying that. What I am saying is heavily fractured right now. Yeah. It's definitely dividing. And it all happened with one thing. It was the Epstein files.

And it's not just one thing. I mean, you know, we've, I've been somewhat critical on Palantir and the involvement with the Trump administration on Palantir. AI advancement. The UFO files, the JFK files, which are heavily redacted as well. There's nothing new that's come out. It's like, okay, we've seen this. We've done this. What's new?

Yeah. And I'm not even saying that's Trump's fault necessarily. The problem is that if you're president and you're in the White House and you're doing all these things, they're feeding in. And this is what I think's happening. I think they're feeding people to Trump as in these billionaires, just feeding them. The social media oligar, the big tech bro. the the Palantiers, the chat GPTs, the Open AI, the you name it everybody, not even Grog

because that's kind of out, that's out now, because even though Peter Thiel's kind of partly behind GROC as well. But you're feeding Trump his ego. You're feeding Trump's ego with these billionaires that are heavily investing. And that is what Trump is just thinking about. That's always thinking about is, oh my God, five, 500 billion, 600 billion, 700 billion, 500 billion another 300 billion and then while at the same time you have all this very important shit going on on the outskirts of everything while also the globalist

which is who these people are the the intelligence operatives the deep state outliers that are coming into the white house and saying hey we're willing to invest 500 billion as long as you let us do all this crazy shit with AI which will eventually lead to mass surveillance we will be the next China, and this is just all being set up for whoever the deep state picks to be the runner of this country next. It'll be likely a dictator or authoritarian. And although Trump is touting it as a good thing, he's touting it as like, look at my accomplishments.

Look at all the shit I'm bringing into America. Kind of same thing with the vaccine. Exact same thing as the vaccine. 100%. They're like, Trump, listen, you can save the world. All you got to do is just go along with this. But to go along with this, we need immunity. for all of the pharmaceuticals.

We need to never be sued. We don't ever have to release anything about side effects or any of that shit. Yeah, for 100 years. We got to make sure we get all that shit done. But you can say with this vaccine that you saved the world from a pandemic. Do you not want to do that? And Trump's like, hell yeah, I want to do it. Let's do it.

And so he did it. And even after, for years after the vaccine, Trump still, even knowing all the shit out, there's no way Trump and his team did not know the side effects of the vaccine and everything that was coming out about it, that will still come out for years to come. He knew that and still doubled and tripled down on his accomplishment of Operation Warp Speed. And so the same thing is going to happen with the AI. AI is going to be brought in $500 billion, $600 billion there.

And then once the Deep State picks their next person to be put in place, but this person is going to be their main operative. This is going to be their person to where they bring in mass surveillance to where you cannot, you cannot pee in your bathroom without them knowing it in some way, shape, or form. And it's very close to that already. But do you think the deep state picked Trump or were they defeated by Trump? Because I feel like they were defeated by Trump, in my opinion. I've thought about that, right?

I've thought about like, could the deep state have actually picked him since they did not kill him? And they did everything they possibly could do to destroy him. They're like, well, let's meet in the room and let's meet for. a week. And they're like, here's what we can do. We can bring him in and we can control him and heavily like do what, do what, let's go along with what Trump does best. Let's go with his ego in the business.

Yes. And let's control him. Yeah. And let's infiltrate this country that way. That's possible. And I know most people are like, oh, that's a big conspiracy theory. But guys, do you understand how smart and intelligent these, these operations are? I mean, they have to control the world.

They have to have these very sinister, in my opinion. evil type things they do to be able to control the world. They're a lot smarter than you think. But do I think that the deep state picked Trump? No, I don't know. I mean, that's a good question. That would be a good conspiracy theory to go down. Or did Trump beat them outright because of how garbage the Democrat Party was?

That's likely the scenario. But either way, it seems like that the deep state has control of Trump, at least in my opinion right now. And I know that's hard to hear, but that's my opinion. And I would love for you guys to tell me what you think. Do you think the deep state is controlling Trump or do you think Trump's still in charge and he has something bigger going on behind the scenes? This would like Cory Booker giving this ridiculous speech. Like that's their guy. Bernie Sanders seems to be the only one with the doctrine.

He's 90 years old. Zoran Mondani wants to do socialism. It's not working. But now the right is also disintegrating due to the contradictions of Trumpism. So it's like Trump has killed the left. He's also now killing the right, such that on the left, You have this progressive liberal split. On the right, you have a split now with the Silicon Valley people hopping off,

the anti-war people hopping off, the Q conspiracy people hopping off. Like the whole thing's coming apart. And now that Elon is talking about a third party, an America party that's based on center right, common sense policy, it's going to be free speech, H-1Bs, this sort of thing. It's creating an opening. The first act, you know, according to the Kabbalists, in creation, they say, is to create an opening. I'm not a Kabbalist, by the way, but this is what they say.

They say the first act is to create an opening, a container. And I was such a believer that Trump needed to lose for that to happen. Maybe he needed to win for that to happen. But now that Trump is sort of crashing and burning, new options are coming forward. Powerful people like Elon and Tucker are articulating alternative pathways forward. There is now just like for the first time a wide open playing field. In 16, it was like Clinton and Bush. Those were your options.

Trump scattered the ashes of the Bush dynasty, defeated the Clintons, defeated the Obamas, defeated the Bidens. Now it's just like a wide open playing field after all this. And this is where we can really begin to create. I agree. So definitely the spell of Israel lobby being able to do whatever they want and say us to shut up, that's over. And all the other spells are broken right now. And so is there any way for Trump to resurrecting? himself and pull out of this?

I don't think so. But I think that even if he did, look, people will eventually move on. You know how it goes. You've been doing this for longer than I have, as long as I've been alive. And you know how it goes, especially now more than ever. A story is in the news for a week. And then people forget. Now, this is going to leave a mark.

This is going to have lasting damage. But just like everything else in a few months, people will forget. And that's optimistic. I mean, maybe they'll just be. The fundamental miscalculation. I don't even mean to Trump. But his advisors, people are very close to him, have told me the last year, they go,

it's beyond megalomania. He literally thinks he's invincible. And he's delusional now. And I'm being honest with viewers right now. And they're very concerned. And now you see it, the fact that he thought they could put a memo out, which he wrote, which he had written, which I told people day one.

They said, oh, you're a traitor, no, it's Pam Bondi. No, it was him. He met it later. to say he killed himself. He acted alone. There was no human trafficking. There are no files. It is suicidal politically, but it came out of his grandiose, extreme arrogance.

And I get under pressure, this is what he turned into. Because how could you deal this pressure and not stop? So, you know, Nick, it's very paradoxical. And every time I said, look at this horror. I then look at Hakeem Jeffries and Pocahontas and AOC and I'll and Omar and I just go, okay, I'm happy to cut Trump loose. My listeners want me to. And it feels good. But then I go, what is the second order response when I look at World War Z zombie army?

And that's where I like hit a brick wall. I'm just like, oh my God. Yeah, I think that I don't think that's the worst case scenario. to tell you the truth. I know that people don't want to see Trump go down because they worry about the left and things like that. But I think the worst case scenario

is that Trump, at the end of the day, was never a radical. Usually Trump putting us asleep is the problem. Exactly. I think complacency. I think Trump rolling us back into the system. I mean, one thing that people never mention is with Trump winning in 24,

nobody's talking about the rigged elections anymore. You notice that? Like Trump won in 24. and now people say, and there's polling on this, they say, we believe the elections are free and fair, and it's all legit. Now, with these new advertisements, the American Eagle, the Dunkin' Donuts, people say, oh, the advertisements are great again. People are being rolled right back into the system, supporting more Middle East wars,

supporting more skilled and low-skilled immigration. They push. And when it fails, they flip right back to put us asleep. Yeah, and that's a great point that Nick made here, right? And that's another thought to think about 2020. is, as Nick said, and I've saw these polls. A lot of people now, when they're polled about the elections and safe and secure and all this stuff, just like safe and effective in 2020.

But I think Laura Trump had a lot to do with that. Yeah, I know. I get it. They were fair this time. But also everybody feels like they're fair, right? Now they feel like, okay, we're good now. Don't worry about any of that. But it was because of Laura Trump, I think.

Maybe. I mean, that's what they want you to think. But, I mean, how much is one person going to actually do? I don't know. But all I'm saying is most people don't. don't think that the election in 2020 was maybe even stolen now and and maybe going forward, we're going to have free and fair elections. I think the problem is the system and I don't think people really understand how degraded and corrupt the system is.

And so as Nick said here, you know, he, I guess, did not want Trump to get into office so that the system in whole would completely crumble under the next administration to where people would finally just absolutely have enough of the bullshit and it would had to lead to something for a complete reform of the United States government. But that may still happen. And it may still happen because of the amount of people that voted for Trump and depending on what happens going forward. And especially if people just completely get their, you know, the winds taken out of their

lungs or the wind taken out of their lungs, maybe that's going to do more for the reestablishment of the government than if Kamala or someone else would have would have got in. I don't know that's true. And listen, I'm not, you know, when you hear people like Nick and them talk, you know, as a Trump supporter, and I was primarily a Trump supporter by far over anybody. No, I still am. I mean, I'm still a Trump's order. I want absolutely the best for Trump. I do pray for Trump and in president. I mean, hell, I prayed that whatever was going on over the past four years under Biden and Harris, that something would be done that would fix it. And change it. Because this is our country. this is the country we live in.

And our podcast is for the critical, for the, I guess, critical nature of the government. Because look, we're not, for people that are new for some reason, and you think that we are a pro government no matter what podcast, then you haven't been listening for a while. And if you think we're just pro Trump, no matter what, either, you've not been listening for a while. We are here to call out the bullshit. We want to expose the correct. and we want to try to bring to the forefront of the truth. And like I said,

it doesn't matter who's in office. We want the best for the people, which is why I always say I'm more libertarian as far as smaller government, more power to the people, back to what the government was actually created for in the beginning, a constitutional republic. And it was to be dictated by the people, not the government.

And we worked or sorry, the government worked for us. We did not work for the government. And so that is the entire, everything I ever say on this podcast is all about for the people and not for the government. So I don't care who's in office, whether I meet you, whether you're my best friend, whoever, if you get an office and start being compromised and start doing shit that I'm like, oh, my God, is this dude really starting to do this shit?

I mean, and that's what a lot of people right now feel. And they feel like, damn, this was my bro. This was who we. I stood behind and I put it out there on social media. And I'm like, oh, my God. Why are you doing this? Because it's making me look bad. Yeah.

You know, in some senses, it does. When they didn't release the Epstein files, it makes Republicans that stood by Trump or standing by Trump, it does make us look bad. Like, oh, see, we're laughing in your face now. Here's these Epstein files. They even have Donald Trump's name on the front of the folder. And he won't release them. You know, it just makes it look bad in the eyes of some.

that is against your party. But calling out things, I do have to call out Alex for just a minute because he was talking about a zombie army, but he sounds like he's part of the zombie army. Do you not hear like the slurring? And I know that he's been like on this health kick thing and he quit drinking and he's working out all the time. I don't know. Is he back on?

I have no idea. Is he back on a little weird? Is he back on a little sippy sick? No, I don't think so. I mean, he don't seem drunk. It's just he is kind of slurring some of his word. I don't know. It's weird.

I mean, it's not like we haven't. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I know. But I don't call out saying, oh, yeah, I'm getting 100% healthy and I'm working out and I quit drinking all this. You know, if you're going to do that, you got to stick by it. Another thing I wanted to mention is when Nick Fuentes just brought up American Eagle and Dunkin' Donuts. That's a big thing. That's a big thing right now.

And that started with Sidney Sweeney doing a commercial for, I guess what is it? the jeans company. And yeah, I mean, and then you had, you know, when, when Beyonce did the jeans commercial, oh, she was a queen. She was amazing. Yeah, but then Sydney, Sweeney did. You know, it looks bad. Oh, we're going back to, but Nick said, well, we're going back to what we used to do all

the time. But why isn't okay to have a white model? Why does it have to be a black model? I don't get that. Yeah, I don't know. And I loved Duncan Dunk, Dunkin' Donuts commercial. I think they did that on purpose. and I think they did it in the right amount of humor.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, and what she's talking about, there's this, there's this white dude, this kind of fit. He looks like he's probably 23, 24. He's got like a unbuttoned down, like tropical shirt on and he's doing a commercial for Dunkin' Donuts.

And they literally did this. It was so weird, especially after all the controversy of Sydney, Swinney and all that, then Duncan Donuts pulls this commercial out and it's hilarious, actually. But, you know, all this stuff is like,

even stuff like that is like, damn, okay, well, we, okay, first of all, I don't really give a damn about who's in advertisements or not, but I mean, obviously we have seen that there's been a massive shift in ads and movies and everything. And, you know, there should obviously be equal. Disversion based on talent, not colored, not race, not religion, not none of that stuff. And so now they're starting to do it to where it's like, hey, we're bringing in Sydney Sweeney, obviously, because Sydney Sweeney is like, for dudes or anybody on social media that knows anything about who she is.

She's like supposedly one of the hottest chicks on the planet. Yeah, and she's been in tons of movies. She's kind of the most sought after female actress on the planet. And then you have this other guy that I don't even know who the hell he is, but they kind did the same thing. But getting back to what we were talking about, this is not a bashing Trump episode. It's just that this is a episode where we have to question what the hell is going on and what does the future hold because we don't know.

We don't know what the future holds. And it's a scary thing, you know, and especially as they have both articulated in this debate so far or this discussion to where it's like if you see the other side and what may be coming on the horizon if the fact that this Epstein saga or scandal really hurts the Republicans and the Republicans lose 2026 and then they lose the presidency, the presidency in 2028. that's when all hell breaks loose. And so, you know, how much involvement behind the scenes is being pressured on the Trump administration, however that may be, to destroy the Republican Party.

Now, there is that conspiracy aspect of it as well. Now, Alex said on just a few minutes ago, he said the Q-Tards. Now, the reason I want to say this is because we obviously have many people that listen to us that are into QAnon. And the Q&ON thing for me is I've always thought it was a SIOP. And the Q&N thing was heavily used during January 6th. The Q&O thing has been a massive, consistent, in my opinion, sciop.

A lot of the Q&N believers believe that even during the Biden and Harris presidency that Trump was behind the scenes doing all this shit, he controlled the military Q&N said, him and Robert F. Kennedy was going to be the president and vice president, that he was the one really in control and he was going to indict all these people, put him in jail, Hillary and Obama and all these people. And then even Trump the other day on X after the Russia collusion thing, all the files have come out about that. Trump came out and said, just so you know, Obama has presidential immunity. So which means we're not arresting him.

We're just making this big scene basically for no reason. And a lot of people are like, listen, if there's treason going on, if this is essentially what it was between Hillary Clinton and Obama, people need to be in jail. Don't just talk about this shit. Don't just hype everybody up, especially in the midst of the Epstein saga to where everybody has pissed off about your response to Epstein files and you're doubling and tripling down. I'm saying that it's a hoax and it's all this bullshit. And then you come out with the Russia collusion.

But yet, it's like even Trump was posting memes about Obama being in jail and all this bullshit. And then Trump comes out. I was like, oh, there's presidential immunity. Oh, well, we're probably not going to arrest anybody. They're likely not going to arrest anybody. I just want everyone to understand that. No one will probably be arrested.

Well, in fact, he was on an interview and I can't remember where he was being interviewed at the time, but it was talking about Hillary with the Russian inclusion stuff. And you remember all the memes that are going around with her in jail and behind bars and all that stuff? And that never happened either. And when he was on the interview, he said, even if she was guilty, I would not, because of her status and what she's been. and she's a president's wife, I almost said husband, a president's wife. I would never. No, you're talking about Mike.

I know. I'm not talking about Mike. But he said I would never put her in jail. I would not do that if I were a president because that just does not look good for America. That's what he said. Yeah, but the reality is, is that, you know, if you go and do some stupid shit as a citizen, your ass is definitely going to jail. But yet you're saying that because you're a political figure and you do even more corrupt shit that really,

you know, I guess, implicates America and the American people and the decisions of the American voters that that's not like one of the biggest crimes ever. I mean, think about Snowden when he exposed what the United States government was doing and the spying on the American people and yet they charged him with treason

and likely if he would have been caught before he went to Russia, he would have likely had got the death penalty. Oh, yeah. But that's Snowden. Well, and if you're part of the system and you go along with him, go along with the system, you're good. You're good.

You're immune. But if you expose the system, your ass is going to be put to death. Yeah. And that's the reality. Listen, Snowden had nothing to do with national security or any of that shit. He was literally helping the American people by giving them the proof and the facts and the truth about what the government actually does on a daily basis to you. And yet, look what his position was. You come back.

You're basically going to be put to death. If you try to circumvent a president. election or tried to make up rushing collusion or God knows what was on the laptop from from from Hillary Clinton and the acid washing that she did even the Pizza Gate stuff that was the conspiracies around all that. Maybe that had something to do with why she acid washed and completely destroyed all these emails. We don't know if you think about Podesta and all the emails back and forth.

Right. You think about way there. You can do all of this shit and be completely good. You're fine. But as soon as you are snowing and you want to expose. is what the government is doing on you, the people, then you are going to be put to death. So if you don't understand when you go and vote and you have the support behind one

particular candidate, if you think that that one particular candidate is going to die for you or go to bat for you, it doesn't really matter who it is. And I think that's a problem with a lot of people right now is they felt like Trump was that guy. And I'm not saying he isn't. But what I am saying is that it seems like there's a lot of people fill in

let down right now. But do you think they're going to, because it sounds like they're backpedaling again and that they're going to try to come out with the files. In my opinion, if they do come out with any files, they're going to be so redacted that you won't know any new information. Well, but listen, they're, they're scurrying. You know, they scurried to Gislein or Gislein Maxwell's prison. And I don't know exactly why, but I would love to know exactly why, why they sent their deputy AG. They went interviewed her. Will she ever actually come in front of Congress? Likely not. And even if she did, it would be in a confidential, classified setting.

Because if anyone knows the truth, it'll be her. Yeah. Well, absolutely. But what I'm saying is, even if Gislai Maxwell came to Congress, which Congress wants to subpoena her, that will never be allowed to be a public hearing. It'll be a skiff or something. Yeah, it'll be something that's classified in nature. You'll never likely find out any information about it. It'll be classified. It'll never be seen the light of day. Will it ever, I mean, will even help the Congress people that are interviewing her likely not?

And the bigger question is, did the deputy AG that went to visit Gislayne Maxwell, which was just a week ago? Right. Did they go there specifically before she was subpoenaed by Congress? Because Congress, Republican members of Congress, were saying we're going to subpoena her ass. And as soon as that shit happened, you had the deputy AG going to her prison with God knows who else. Doing and saying good God knows who else. Yeah. And so what were they in there saying?

They were probably saying, look, if you want to pardon and if you ever want to be out of this prison. Yeah. And if you want to stay alive, you got to do this, this and this. Yeah. But I think, too, that maybe she came out and said, hey, listen, I'm willing to talk if you will help me get a pardon in some way or fashion. Yeah, but I'm saying as soon as Congress started saying they were going to subpoena her, that's when the deputy AG hauled ass. It was going to immediately interview her. And I say interview, but probably interrogate slash threatened.

I mean, I don't know. I mean, this is all speculation. We don't know, but it's just very odd timing. All of a sudden, they gave a shit about Ghislane Maxwell sitting in prison after Congress says they're going to subpoena her. And also then they also had to think about like how much access may be Congress. people could have had the Gislane Maxwell to go and talk to her. So it seemed like maybe they had to get to her before anybody else. Now, what I'm saying here is that it was weird the deputy AG went.

And it's also strange because we don't 100% know. Pam Bondi would have gone. Yeah, but we also don't know like who is the deputy AG. Who is he connected to? Who is he tied to? I would love to know. I need to do a deep dive on that and see what his ties are. Who is funding is from?

What connections he's had in the past? you know, has he been involved in Assad or kind of an Israeli asset in the past? Because I think there's a lot of those people in the Trump administration White House that have been that. And I also think that happened during the Biden and Harris administration. It's not just Trump. I guess the problem is a lot of people thought like, you know, maybe when Trump comes in, you know, he's going to get past the bullshit.

He's not going to care as much about, you know, the influence or the control or pressure of Israel or foreign law. lobby or intelligence, especially after all the shit he went through leading up to this election, but we don't know. We don't know what is likely to happen. So I would say that we could play more of this interview, but it's an hour and 45 minutes we're already in now. And so what I think I would rather you guys do is go listen to the entire interview.

You can find it on X. You can just go to Alex Jones and look up Alex Jones, Nick Fuentes. That's probably the best way. they got out a lot of what they kind of believed and thought or just some of their opinions on what's really going on behind the scenes between Trump, Israel, Epstein, you name it. But we did just want to kind of break down their initial thoughts. And I think that just to kind of give you guys an idea, we're not against Trump. We want the best for America.

We want the best for you guys for the people that are living in America. The ones that are not living in America, you guys likely understand. Because if you're in the UK, you're in certain places. says you already know that your country is going to shit and you're trying to figure out how to save it and fix it. Yeah. And they look to America for help in some ways. Yeah. And so, so we got to hold, you know, we have to hold everyone accountable no matter who that is. And, you know, guys, I'll be honest, you know, there's been so many of you that reached out and said, look, I'm sick of political. I'm sick of this. I understand that for sure. And that's why in August,

we're going to try to do more episodes that are not just political. We're going to try to do, like we said, the paranormal stuff, stuff that's very interesting to us. Old time conspiracies, things are mysterious. We're headed into spooky season. We're about in August, I think tomorrow. And, you know, with that being said, we got only a couple of months until Halloween. Temperatures are going to start cooling. We're very excited to talk about a lot of this stuff, especially amnable horror,

the feral people. We've got a lot of stuff on the, I guess, agenda. So very excited about that. And as we said, we're going to try our very best to be as authentic and like I said, that might come off. That might come off a little brass at sometimes. But I think overall it's going to be for the best. And so we're going to close this with this song.

And it is underwater by Nick Caution. And until next time, guys, let us know what your thoughts are. Give us a good rating wherever you listen to us, by the way. Good night. Love you guys. Thanks, guys. Peace out. I decree.

No degree. I can't jeet. Still I made it work with my life. allegiance. I pledged my falling souls. I had to grieve them. And when I'm at my lowest, it's when I need them. But I don't trip too much. I know they're looking down. So I be looking up.

You either swim or drown. I'm down with all the bullshit. I'm built to be a tank. I take shots like a bank. Backboarding on the plane. Take shots at the gang. Bitch walking on a plane. I was charging up for years. I'm back walking out the tank. Hold up. Forcing fire. I was born to lose. But then I learned the wind. Ignore the lies they force on you. And I ain't trying to preach.

But shit was looking dim. I almost gave it up, but that's just what it took to win. Crooked good guys, with quotes around the good guys. We live in misunderstood times. Cut the virus off my body trying to stop the spread. We keep on shooting, but don't stop until you shot the hand. It's like the walking dead. Your man's a walking lift.

I'm 5'8, but on the money, I'm a stalling's pick. Wembeiyama, French bitches at my para shows. I fly to see them. They get wet for me like gerridos. Fats me to split. We off the shit. I'm going comatose. Off the grid with fine foreign holes

Each is swollen nose Been a pro since the bus rides Going home pushing till we overflow That's just how the story goes I'm trying to see it It's not a secret Live with reason I decree it

No degree I couldn't gee it Still I made it work With my allegiance Pledge my fallen souls I had to grieve them And when I'm at my lowest This when I need them

But I don't trip too much I know they're looking down So I be looking up We the swim and drown