Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Andrew Dawson Giant/Bigfoot TikTok Conspiracy Podcasts | Bigfoot Expert Gives His Thoughts

Episode Date: January 3, 2023

The Andrew Dawson Giant On Mountain Sighting is a viral video posted by TikToker @andykapt in April 2022 in which he records what appears to be a giant person standing on Whistlers Peak mountain in Alberta, Canada. The video was proceeded by several other videos where Dawson attempts to see the giant again and claims he's being followed by the CIA. In May, he claimed the video was fake but took that claim back later in the month, making one final video of a building now standing where the giant was before disappearing from the platform. Later that year, unsubstantiated rumors that Dawson died after the final video started to spread online, leading to a conspiracy theory revolving around the event. We discuss this episode of Andrew Dawson Giant/Bigfoot TikTok Conspiracy Podcasts with Bigfoot Expert and member of the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization, Ron Boles.

Hello, hello, and welcome to Investigatorth podcast. I'm your host, Chad, alongside my wife, Sherry. Good evening, everyone, or morning or afternoon. I hope you are doing swell. Swell. Hope everyone is doing fantastic out there this evening. It is 7.12 p.m. here on the east coast of the United States of America in South Carolina. Thank you all for joining us on this.

this very special episode, very interesting and spooky and mysterious episode, where we are going to be talking about TikToker Andrew Dawson that, look, so many of you have sent us this story. You guys have wanted us to cover this, investigate, look into it, see what our thoughts are on this. And really, probably the best thing we have for you guys tonight is we have a BFRO researcher, Ron Bowles. He's going to be joining us.

He is a BFRO stands for Big Foot Field Researchers Organization. They really are like the Mufon. For those of you know what Mufon are, Mufon is the mutual UFO network. They are the ones that investigate and very scientifically investigate all reports of UFOs, especially in the United States. But I think they also are worldwide. BFRO is the same.

They actually have guys that work with some of the shows you might see on television. I think Ron himself may have worked on some shows. I can't remember. Ron's been on the podcast before on our first two Bigfoot episodes. So we're going to have Ron join us in about 15 minutes or so to discuss this Andrew Dawson story and all about that. And we're going to talk about that here in just a minute. We're going to play you a couple of things, a couple of videos.

And it's a very interesting story. And so I guess our point to this episode is going to be, number one, with Ron. Is it potentially a big foot? And if not, what does he think it is? Number two is, oh, is this complete story real? Or is it fake? Is this guy actually dead or alive? And we're going to talk about all that

because there's been so many people reach out to us to say, why are you guys not covering this? Why are you guys not covering us? And we've got to cover. Is the FBI involved if he is dead? Well, he says CIA. Our CIA. Yeah.

So we don't know. But we're going to go through the whole story of Andrew Dawson and all of that good stuff. It's really a very interesting story. It really is. Now, when I saw this, you know, a lot of people would send us a lot of emails. They sent us links to the videos and so on. So I finally looked at some of these videos.

And the first thing I kind of noticed was, well, it is very interesting. It is in an area of Canada that, you know, come to find out, has a very extensive. bigfoot sightings. There are Bigfoot sightings there on a regular basis. This is not something new to people around the area. Locals, you know, recall seeing similar

whether it be BN's paranormal or things on top of this mountain in Jasper National Park. And so Jasper National Park and Banff National Park are actually very close. When I used to do, when I used to actually

be a travel manager, we used to actually sell tours and all that stuff in Banff and Jasper and all this area. And so a lot of the travel agents would go up there all the time and all this. So it's very heavily populated with tourists. And just doing some of the research, a lot of the people that actually report Bigfoot sightings up there are tourists. So it's not necessarily that there are a group of weirdos or crazy people that are living in this area that just so happens to be those people that want to report it because that's the,

that's the folklore, that's the whatever. There's a lot of people that have been on trips there because it is a very congested area, especially as far as travel. And a lot of these reports of Bigfoot Sasquatch or whatever you want to say, giants, even some have said, even similar to what Andrew Dawson's video was, are from tourists. So they don't necessarily have any, I guess you can say, anything to gain from it by being tourists. A lot of them are going up there because

let's, I mean, is it Alberta? Yeah, the Alberta area is insanely beautiful. Oh, it is. It's gorgeous. Yeah, when you're talking about Banff National Park and Jasper and all that, I mean, it's literally probably one of the, one of the most beautiful places on the planet. And so

I remember back in travel when some of my top travel agents, you know, they worked with very, I guess, rich clients. These people that could go anywhere in the world, they would spend $40,000 and $50,000 on one trip for a week or more, $100,000 in some cases. And so these people would go to all these places around the world. And one thing they always said was this area was probably the prettiest area in the country that they've ever been. Well, of course, the Rockies are beautiful anywhere you go around the Rockies.

They are gorgeous. I mean, especially when they're covered in snow. You cannot beat that landscape. Absolutely not. So let's get in, guys, to the store. And by the way, for those of you that want to know where we are primarily now on social media, we are definitely on Facebook. You can always send us and like, send us a message there, like us on there, whatever you want to do. But we are heavily on Twitter.

We are posting all the time on Twitter now. We're posting videos. We're posting just, I mean, really, it's kind of like a second version of this podcast on Twitter. And we're going to try to utilize Twitter for that because, you know, Twitter is the place for free speech now. It is the place that they're not going to ban you for saying the truth. and that's what we're trying to do and we're trying to grow our audience there because we feel like with Twitter spaces

I think we're going to try to utilize Twitter spaces to bring a lot of you guys into the mix to where you guys can come on our Twitter space and you guys can talk with us like we can have a panel of say I don't know we'll do it differently at different times but say a panel of

nine or ten people and I actually just hopped on a panel the other night with Grant Cardone which I was one of like eight people in his panel, which for those of you don't know he is, check him out. He is a fantastic motivator. He's a fantastic businessman. And so Grant, if you are listening, we appreciate that. Yes, I did video it too because I was so excited. I was like, I cannot believe Chad's on this panel. It was awesome. But yeah, Grant's a great guy. And it was fun. We actually talked about a world

economics and kind of, you know, who can save it at this point. We don't know. But we talked about our perspective of it, obviously, you know, with, you know, all the stuff we talk about on this podcast. We just wanted to offer a different perspective. So make sure you go follow us on Twitter, investigate our podcast. You'll find us, and you'll see a lot of stuff. We actually are doing pretty well in there right now. We're getting followers there, and we're sharing really juicy content, especially faulty and stuff that you probably haven't seen anywhere else. Because if you're on Facebook or you're on all these other platforms, you're not going to see any of this stuff. You can see it on Twitter, and you can definitely see it on our Facebook. Or on our Twitter.

Twitter. So check us out. Go find us. That's it. That's all I have to say. So let's get into the story. Andrew Dawson. Now, the Andrew Dawson story is basically about a man who filmed a giant on this mountain. And he then, not long after, he filmed this giant and then also had encounters with what he believed to be CIA died under mysterious circumstances that we do not know at this time. So something strange and gloomy happened to the Canadian Andrew Dawson who posted a video with a giant on a mountain on his TikTok account in early summer of 2022. And first he was stalked. Then he made an embarrassing admission that his video was a hoax. And then Dawson died.

And so a mysterious giant figure on a mountain in Alberta, Dawson noticed by chance while driving to work with a colleague. He filmed the figure on the video and posted on the internet. The video quickly became popular. Dawson, meanwhile, became obsessed with solving the mystery of the giant on the mountain. He thought he had videotaped a Yeti or a Bigfoot. He returned to the mountain, but did not see anyone on its slope. And when he wanted to go up the mountain, someone influential forbid him to do so.

Then Dawson began to be followed by someone. He did not know. He began to notice suspicious people in a car near the house. He decided that he had filmed something that no one should have seen, and that now he was being pursued by people from the CIA, according to him. It ended with the fact that one day he posted a video in which he made a confession, that his video with a giant was only a hoax. This gave rise to a lot of talks, but then the story of Dawson began to be forgotten.

So not long after, one of the people that I guess studied the history of Dawson and found that Andrew Dawson had passed away. And so an obituary for him for his grieving relatives was posted on July 1st, 2022 on a website in his region. And judging by the date, Dawson died shortly after he made the confession to the hoax. So when information about the hit social networks, many remembered Dawson's video confession looked very suspicious. The man was definitely nervous and kept looking to the side as if there was someone

who was ordering him to do so or to say what he was supposed to say. It is not known what Dawson died of, but his death was apparently sudden. There are even theories about suicide. But in the video, he looked like a vigorous and quite healthy-looking man. strong and caring for his appearance. And so after the confession video, Dawson posted two more videos, one titled, I'm Scared,

and the second shows the same mountain where he filmed the giant, on which Dawson noticed some kind of structure and asked the questions, military? And so before posting a video with a giant on the mountain, Dawson was quite an ordinary blogger. He posted a lot of videos with his dog,

ice cream about work, relatives, experimenting with hairstyles, and nothing showed that he was a fan of conspiracy theories, Yetis, aliens, or anything. So this guy had been on social media, He'd been on TikTok for a while. He had posted and posted and posted. And, you know, look, TikTok is full of different characters.

There are people that love conspiracy theories. There are people that are completely post nothing about it. They do dance videos or they do animal videos or whatever. Make up, like you said, anything. Or accuse people of murder. Yeah, exactly. You're right. And so Andrew Dawson, he was a,

normal, what appeared to be like a normal everyday average guy. You know, this was someone that just posted things about his life. And, uh, and then one day, he was driving to work and saw this thing and post it. He became almost obsessed with it. And it was to the point where, you know, he started visiting the park and, and trying to figure out, you know, what the deal was. And, you know, if you guys go look at the videos of Andrew Dawson, you can make some, some, some, I guess, conclusions to yourself, but the first video was him actually seeing the giant. The second

video, I believe he posted was him going back and it was not there the next day. And so this was something that, you know, he showed the exact place. He said, look, it's not there anymore. Then there was a video not long after that that he showed, he was going down a road

basically where the mountain area was that he filmed what he called the giant. And this time, it was two, I believe it was two military-looking helicopters, probably Black Hawk, I would guess. Helicopters. But they were black. Yeah, I believe that.

Yeah, I believe they were. And so he had, you know, filmed these two helicopters in the forest that were, it looked like they were lifting or extracting something from the forest, right? Yeah, it looked like there was this huge box on the mountain or something. Yeah. I mean, it literally, yeah, it looked like something you would, I don't know, I mean, it really looked like something that you would see. in a movie, right? I mean,

there is a movie, like the King Kong movie. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Like King Kong. It was like a big cage looking box that you would put King Kong in. Yeah. And so so yeah, so when I first actually talked to Ron about this, which is going to come on here

in just a minute, now Ron he has been on the podcast before and he was talking about before he said, you know, we talked about a lot of stuff with Bigfoot. If you guys have not listened to our interview with Ron, go back and find our Bigfoot episodes. But I actually reached out to Ron and kind of, you know, asking about his thoughts and opinions on this.

I believe BFRO was involved in some type of investigation around this or at the very least had been involved in investigations around this area before. And that was one thing I really wanted to get his standpoint in, which I'm not going to go into what he said yet. But which Ron, too, has had his real, he's had real encounters. with Bigfoot before and you know we might need to go back into that quick story and let us let him retell the story of his encounter when he was a young man not that he's old very interesting story we're all getting old I know I'm old but yeah so I'm going to call Ron right now guys and let's see let's make sure this is because now we have a new system to call people we got yeah we got a Bluetooth yeah all of our systems is basically

Which you know what the funny thing is. Did you reconnect? He has answered, Ron, I think has answered. So let's see if we can hear Ron real quick. Ron, are you with us? I am with you. All right, awesome. Ron, I'm going to get your sound real quick.

So if you can just introduce yourself a little bit. And then I'll kind of give your bio for a second. My name is Ron Bolt. I'm a investigator with the Bigfoot Field Researcher organization. I have been for 15 years, and I wouldn't call myself an expert, but I know the thing there to you. Yeah, so Ron, just, Ron, as he said, he's an investigator for the Ozarks and attended and organized numerous BFR expeditions starting in 2007. And so he's done this in Arkansas, in Colorado, Kentucky, Missouri, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, New Mexico.

And so he's also an avid student of outdoors, ecology, folklore, and regional history. And Ron, I know that you are also, you were basically an adopted member of, and I don't want to mispronounce this, but the Jarcarilla Apaches? Hikarilla. Hicorilla. Apaches. Hickorilla, okay. Yeah, Hickorilla Apache reservations in the northern part of New Mexico. That's awesome. So, Ron, did you, so you've heard about the Andrew Dawson story.

and I didn't want to go into what your thoughts are, you know, or at least what you told me on in text, but what do you think about just the video of what you've seen from Andrew Dawson? Can we play it real quick? As he refers to the giant. Well, we could play that video, but the thing is they're not going to be able to really, because he don't say a lot in the video.

No, you just sort of moves the odds. Yeah. So what is your thoughts on that? Well, first of all, I'm going to have to roll out that it was a bigfoot siding, that's for sure. Just the size, you know, being on top of the crest of that mountain and the size, he didn't, you know, if he saw anything, it wasn't a big foot, it'd have to be King Kong. Because, you know, in order to make out a shape like that, it had to be 20 plus feet, you know, at least. you know, there's just a lot of holes in this story to make it, you know, that believable. You know, this takes place in, you know, the Alberta province of Canada,

and he claims that the CIA is harassing them. Well, what the hell does the CIA have any jurisdiction in Canada? That is true, you know. That is true. That is true. And why do you say that? Because you're saying it was the size of King Kong. So what is a typical size of Bigfoot?

Yeah, what is the difference, I guess? Well, typical size of a big foot, I mean, you know, is anywhere from six to ten to 15 feet, you know. I think the tallest I've heard was 15 feet at least or to the most. Wow. And, you know, but as far as something that, you know, that dense, dense and massive and as tall, you know, I mean, if a regular person was to stand on top of that, on top of that mountain, he wouldn't be a blip. Yeah. You know, and, and even if it was a, you know, 12 foot, a 12-foot, a 12-foot, a 12-foot, figure, it still would hardly be a blip.

Whatever he saw was, you know, King Kong Godzilla, you know. Yeah, for sure. You know, size. And I just, you know, I'm going to have to roll Bigfoot out of this one. Yeah, so, and that's the thing is like when this story really got big, you know, one of the main key terms that kind of came up about it was, we think, you know, He thought he saw a Yeti or a giant, as he called it, right? And, you know, there was some speculation about even the possibility of some kind of paranormal type realm, you know, crossing thing.

Now, this area of Canada, as we were talking about on the beginning of this episode, is very well known, I guess, to Bigfoot sightings. And especially, you know, with Jasper National Park and Banff and heavily touristed area, what is kind of, your thought on just that area in general. I was actually reading today, and I don't know if this, you know, like I said, it, it's one thing to say, okay, well, there's a potential for Bigfoot being there. But if you read about the area and just what that entire area encompasses, I mean, with the wildlife there, it has everything you could possibly imagine from moose to grizzly bear to deer to mountain lion.

They have everything. So wouldn't this be, I guess, if you, if you, if you, you want to say Bigfoot could be somewhere, this would probably be somewhere that Bigfoot would want to be, right? Yeah, I mean, you know, and if you were to look on BFRO dot net, there is a, there's a picture of the North American continent, not just the United States, you know, and it's broke down by each state and each providence of Canada as well. Yeah.

And, you know, and of course that's in the Alper, you know, that park is in the Alberta Providence. And Alberta is one of the more populated providence of Canada. I mean, it's not Quebec, but, you know, it's still got a fair share of population. And like you said, it's a heavily touristed area, too. but the thing is it's it's it's got the forest it's got it's got the terrain the forest the ecological needs of a big foot so if you put the combination of more people there and the and the needs and the means for a big foot to get around yeah you're going to have more sightings

i mean okay take missouri for example you know what the most heavily sized cited the counties in Missouri, believe it or not, is St. Louis County. Wow. Because there's more people. But right next to St. Louis is the Merrimick River and very heavily forested area. Yeah. Let me ask you, so BFRO and an investigative side of what you guys do, what are some of the things that, for example, right? I mean, besides the video, right, if you, obviously, if you were going to investigate this case in particular, right, with Andrew Dawson.

Now, obviously you're going to look at the video and you're going to say, well, this dude, I mean, if this is a big foot, right? If you could even prove that that was a big foot, then there's something that no one has ever seen before from a big foot according to the size, right? But what are some of the things, though, that you would look for if this thing wasn't as big as it was? what are things that you guys would look for in an investigation to a bigfoot, which I do believe, I heard somewhere that BFRO was somehow involved in that investigation or something about that. Am I right about that? No, I checked. No, I checked that out with some other people within BFRO, and quite frankly, you know, not much was known about it.

Okay. And so I'm, you know, I'm sorry to hear, I mean, to tell you that, but, you know. That's all good. But, you know, and I'm talking some of the leadership, I mean, you know, the leadership of BFO, they were, you know, they really, you know. Let's see, some of the other things that, first of all, when I have, when I see a sighting or when I investigate, a sighting, I try to recreate the size and density

of the you know, figure that the figure that I, that was supposedly seen. Yeah. So if I was to, you know, if I was to be from that road, I would have someone else go from whatever distance

that they saw this thing and then, you know, tried to compare, you know, they're in daylight and are, well, just, you know, good, just for comparison to give you an ideal how big this thing is. Now, I don't know about you, but from what I saw from that summit, you know, you'd almost, you almost have to have a helicopter drop you out in the middle. And they did something like that on, they did something like that on fighting Bigfoot, the Mount Chasta sighting, you know, to sort of get, you know, the dare to compare. But I don't know, you know, that's a, I mean, it's, it's not a huge mountain,

but as far as mountain goes and to be up on there on the crest like that and to stand so high above that crest, I would have to estimate that thing that have to be like 20 plus feet high. Yeah. Now for people that. That was a big thing for me. For people that, you know, are going to be listening to this episode in particular because of, I guess really because of they either have never, never kind of been into the Bigfoot realm. And but yet, you know, this video and this series of Andrew Dawson went mega viral. I mean, it's got millions of views.

What is the possibility in your mind, obviously, as an investigator, as an organization, that you're a part of that takes the Bigfoot in the Sasquatch and the Yeti and all of that very seriously. What is your thoughts or at least what is your most convincing thing to you of why you still investigate

it, just the Bigfoot subject in general? And how much do you really believe Bigfoot's out there and why have we not found him yet? Well, you know, apart from my own personal experience, you know,

I have fellow investigators who have not had a sighting. I mean, they've heard something, they've seen something, and they have seen the forensic physical evidence of the possibility of Bigfoot. But, you know, there's a lot of things that the factor in, you know, like I said, the forensic evidence, the, such as footprints, handprints, hair samples, blood samples,

you know, a whole lot of things, variables that goes into it. I believe that there was a anthropologist that was convinced that there was a large primate in the woods of Northern California,

not because they saw one, but because he found the nesting a nesting spot where that looked just like something that a large mountain gorilla from Africa would do. Wow. You know, so he was convinced.

And that's one of the lanes that convinced oh, Lordy, the famous Anthropos Jane Goodall. Yeah. And, you know, some of the, some of the forensic evidence that we offered, it made her question on whether or not, you know, that Sasquatch actually existed, you know, and put her reputation online to do that. And, you know, let's say that 80 to 90 percent of all the reports. And all the evidence that we have received over the years is absolutely garbage.

It's absolutely, you know, crap. That's still 10% that you really, you know, you get really got to wonder. Very similar to UFO. It's like kind of similar UFOs. Like if you believe in UFOs whatsoever or whatever, I mean, even though the military is, or military government and all that stuff, really starting to come out now and kind of, you know, being a lot more open about the UFO thing. But up until recently, even still, though, there's probably 90% of UFO sightings that are BS.

And it kind of makes it look bad for the 10% that is probable or at least has some credibility to it. Now, Sherry, what do you have here? What I was going to ask you wrong, because I don't specifically remember your account of your siding of a Bigfoot. Maybe you can go into that for a minute. But after you do that, I did find an account which was right beside the place where this guy saw this giant that was actually reported to Alberta. And I was just curious because I remember your story and in their story, it had a lot of the similarities like the smell and the sulfur smell and all kinds of like different things. I wanted Chad to read this quick report and see just based on the reading of this report. Or would that be, yeah, it's a very short, it's like one paragraph.

But it just seemed to me it was in the very same area that these people reported. Yeah, Andrew Dawson, yeah. As Jasper area. Yeah. And I, you know, I've heard that there's several reports out in that area. Yeah, Ron, let me read this. And then, I don't know if you want to go into maybe what your encounter or at least. But it reminded me of your encounter.

Yeah. So this whole, yeah. So this whole area, you know, Keep in mind, there is a website you guys can go to, and it's basically Alberta Sasquatch, and it's based on Bigfoot and the Canadian Rockies. And so there are hundreds, if not thousands of reports of Bigfoot sightings, many by tourists, some by locals. There are some by locals, but yeah, so this particular siding talks about, it said, we had decided to spend a week in and around Jasper. I wanted to rough it, but my wife wasn't too keen on the idea. So we rented a cabin from Baxter's cabins.

On the third day, we decided to go for a hike around the base of Mount Edith Cavell. We had been out for about 45 minutes when we detected the foulest odor possible coming from a stand of trees near the base of the mountain. I figured that it was something dead, but it didn't exactly smell like it was something rotten, at least totally. It was more of a wet dog sulfur rotten smell. Very musky, I guess you would say. My wife looked at me and said, perhaps we should go back down the trail. As soon as she spoke something,

as soon as she spoke, something within the trees from the same direction as the odor let out a breathy shriek. That was followed by movement within the trees. That was all we needed to hear. We turned around and went the way we came.

We'd walked about 40 to 50 feet when we heard noise behind us. We turned to look and spotted something coming out of the trees. It was a tall, hair, covered creature, animal, question. Their hair was gray, almost white, and was quite long and matted.

It stood and looked at us for about five seconds. I turned to look at my wife. As I did so, I could hear it moving. I looked back to where it was standing, and it had moved into the trees. My wife said that when I walked back into the trees, it was limping quite badly. We turned tail and headed back to the trailhead.

I would guess that the animal was about six and a half to seven feet tall. So this person is talking about a white, gray hair-looking creature. That was the smell that got me from Ron's story. Yeah, I remember your story about the smell. You guys had smelled that time. Yeah. Well, that's not uncommon amongst certain primates, especially with the males. If they feel agitated or threatened or if their family pod has been threatened,

they'll admit that smell to let you know that they're not thrilled that you're there. You know, that is common amongst a lot of primates to let out that pheromone, if you will. Now, as far as it being in Jasper, the same as this giant figure that, you know, on top of that mountain, well, a, you know, matter of circumstance or B, a matter of design. And what I mean by design, he probably, you know, knowing that this area is already known for its sightings and stuff like that, you know, wouldn't this be the perfect carry on top of the mountain? Yeah. And, you know, perfect, it's already, you know, got an area of a certain air of intrigue about it, you know.

Why, you know, why don't, why don't I just add a little fairy dust on it and, you know, get people's attention? Yeah, what do you think, what, why do you think, okay, if Bigfoot exist, right? And I believe there are a lot of people that believe he does. Is there, is there a reason that the guy? government would hide the existence of Bigfoot? Is it possible that they don't know? I mean, is that actually possible? Or, okay, what is more likely that they are hiding Bigfoot or that they do not know of his

existence? And they just, they don't know just like. I think they know more than they put on. I think they know more than they let on, just like they, you know, like you said about UFOs. I think they know more than they let on about it. You know, I won't say 100% because, you know, I don't. make false claims without verification.

But I do believe that they know more than they let on. I do know that a lot of Forest Rangers and stuff like that, who, you know, have had experience. And there's a ton of those. Yeah, what was the taboo thing to talk about amongst airline pilots? Oh, UFOs. for sure.

Yeah, that was pretty much with them, too. Yeah, because if you talked about as a pilot, as a U of AM, you saw UFO, you're crazy. Yeah, you were probably not going to be a pilot. You're going to get fired. Yeah. Yeah, you were doing the puddle jumpers on a bush of airplane during rubber ducks, you know. Well, okay, so Ron, to that notion, though, so if we're saying that, okay, for example, if UFOs, say that we know for sure right now.

Say we just the government, someone we know in the government says, hey, UFOs 100% exist. It's how we know, whatever. So then you've got to ask yourself, why would the government hide UFOs from us, right? And so I guess the obvious thing to that, yeah, panic. Yeah, you get where I'm going with this. What would be the reason that the government would hide bigfoot? Would it be the same thing? And or could it be?

And I think we talked about this on our first two big foot. episodes, you know, Indians and certain Indian tribes and stuff like that believe that Bigfoot was not only, and keeping in mind, this was a long time ago. Indian tribes believed a long time ago that this thing was some kind of mystical creature almost rather than a physical. And it could potentially be both almost like an interdimensional thing. I know that sounds crazy, but, you know, if you read some of the Pentagon's documents now that they've actually come out with and you read into some of these things and they're talking about these UFO experiences

could potentially even be interdimensional, which blows a lot of people's minds, but we also don't know a lot about the world that we even live in, much less everything else. We barely know anything about the universe. But what I'm saying, I guess, is that if the government at least acknowledges the potential of some kind of interdimensional travel

that could potentially be happening with UFOs, is that even possible with Bigfoot's? Like is that maybe why we wouldn't be finding them necessarily? Or do you 100% believe this is a primate species that is a physical being that is hiding out in the woods

or could it be something crazier like I was just talking about? Oh my God. You have just, you know how many layers I'm going to have to go from you? Sorry, sorry. Oh my God.

Okay, here we go. We're going to do some overtime on this. First of all, I believe that the reason why the government does not really want to acknowledge that Bigfoot or Sasquatch exist. It's a little simpler explanation that you may make of. It's the money. Imagine what that would do to the ecologically, economically, to, the world as we know it, if we found out that there was a rare, undiscovered primate living in our woodlands.

I mean, they practically closed down the lumber company over a spotted owl a few decades ago. Do you recall? Oh, yeah, I do remember that, actually. Okay, think about how that would do. not only in some spot in northern California or Oregon, but, you know, across the entire the entire North American continent. Yeah.

Second of all, the Native Americans, you know, saying that it was a spiritual lane. Well, one, it depends what tribe you talk about. Yeah. You know, because some think it's a, It's a good omen to see them. Some, like, it's a bad omen to see them. Some of them, I'll never forget when I talk to a gentleman up in northeast, and he said, good or bad, it was always a sign of change.

Also, all animals are spiritual with a lot of tribes. You got the spirit of the eagle, the spirit of the wolf that was the spirit of the bear. why would not, they would not have the spirit of a big foot. That makes sense. So there it goes on that. Myself and pretty much the mantra of BFRO, these are a flesh and blood bipedal animal. As far as interdimensional and mind speak, you know what, I have an open mind mind, but until I see it or, or have it experience myself, I'm going to keep up with it being a flesh and blood

primate. Anything else is a little bit to what we prefer, what a lot of Bigfoot people refer to is, Woo! Yeah. Well, and I think about Skin Walker Ranch, for an example. They see all these different animals or beings that are there, but they're not there kind of thing. Yeah, the Skin Walker, the legend of the Skin Walker, yeah, which is a huge thing there. Which is also connected.

And Skaterwalker is almost like a werewolf type person, you know, a man that was able to change from, you know, from it to some type of animal. You know, these, I just honestly believe that, you know, and they go, well, you know, are big foot smarter than us? And I'm like, we have better dental plan. Yeah, exactly. But, but, you know, isn't it crazy, though? in 2022, if we came to a conclusion, even on this podcast, that the potential of Bigfoot being interdimensional rather than a physical thing, more people would believe that over an actual physical thing, which is, should be much more believable, right?

It's just a, it is a primate that, you know, it's flesh and blood. Yeah, that kind of, you know, there was a, there was a, I don't know if you would even say this. I mean, maybe Bigfoot was around when monkeys around, but also maybe Bigfoot existed or happened during a time that things changed, right? Or whatever the case is. I guess my point is... Absolutely. I mean, a lot of us believe that they're descended of the gigantic pethicus, which is a type of giant ape that

originated in Asia. Now, I believe that... And I go along with that theory, that the gigantic... ...inacepithecus, or a type of, made the big trip across the barrier. You know, back during the Ice Age, you know, the same time when certain animals like

the woolly mammoth, that, you know, and the saber-toothed tiger and various other animals. Now, was there a lot of them like the woolly mammoth that ran around and herds? No. And I tell you something else that made a big trip over there.

A lot of your native Americans, too. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Have you heard about the giant skulls that have been found around the world? Have you heard about those? Yeah, I also heard about, I also heard about Andre the Giant. He was buried along with his grandfather.

It was also a very, very large man. And I'm wondering, you know, how many hundreds of years will it take before someone come across their grave and you'll see? There was giant. a little bit amongst the men. Yeah. And just so you, yeah. Well, and the Bible, the Bible even says there was giants in the Bible.

David and Goliath. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and what he's talking about, Andre the Giant, you know, that was a man that was, he had superhuman proportions and strength. And he reached seven feet tall and four inches. He's about seven foot four from what some people say. And, and so the thing is.

He can hold a barricane. It'll look like a shotgun last to us. Yeah. And so these things. that some of these archaeologists have found, you know, digging and doing some heavy, I guess, archaeological finds. They have literally found skulls that are massive. And these things have often went very underreported, I guess you can say. I mean, these things are found in some science journals and so on and so forth, but mainstream media-wise, you don't find them. But these are

actual giant skulls that are found. And I'm not talking about, I'm not even talking about a seven-foot person. I'm talking about something that would be massive. Maybe it's the person. and it's on top of Jasper National Park because these skulls, if you've seen some of the photos from archaeological digs, are huge. And we don't know, you know, there was... Like I said, there's a lot more to the story than just the figure

on top of the mountain, you know, other than the lack of forensic evidence. You know, the footprints, it would take a, you know, it would take a cement truck to lay that cast. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, plus various other veins, I mean, on that, like his, like the guy's TikTok reports, you know, and the growing paranoia of the CIA agents and that has no jurisdiction in Canada whatsoever.

And then he said, okay, okay, all this stuff, I faked it. And then he goes, no, it was all real. And now I'm dead. Yeah. Well, okay, great. Where's the record of his death? None. Wow.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's so funny, actually, the fact that he talks about CIA, and I literally didn't even think about that. I know, but Ron got that one. No, I'm just, it is kind of funny. I feel like an idiot. But what I will say is that, you know, I don't know, I don't know that Canada would be cooperating with CIA.

I mean, I guess it's possible. I don't know. They have their own people. Leave us alone. Hey? So, do you, so Ron, do you think this story is BS or no? I would never say anything 100% because I don't have proof of it. I'm just saying if it smells like a duck, cracks like a duck, it's probably going to shit like a duck too.

Well, I think the important thing to understand and realize with what we're talking about in this episode is that this is something that, you know, anyone, especially Ron, that is as part of BFRO, Bigfoot Field Research's organization, I think what people misunderstand or don't understand about organizations such as BFRO and such as Mufon, which is the UFO, mutual UFO network, these organizations really set out to really prove and really try to do everything they can. Right. And they try to... Scientifically. Yeah. And they disprove all the BS that comes in as well. Exactly. Like he said, 80% of it.

I was taught to have a mind. I was taught to have the mindset and to respectfully look at these reports as guilty until proven innocent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not vice versa. There are too many organizations where everything's a big foot. No, it isn't.

I heard a loud knock. Were you nearby a look? were you near by a body of water? Well, yeah. Are those body of waters? Beavers. Yeah, beavers. Okay, then.

Well, what about all those recordings of the, like, sounds that people have recorded? Like, I think you even sent us a recording of a sound. Do we have that sound or no? Yeah. And I don't know if it was your own record. Was it your own recording, Ron? We could probably play a sound. It wasn't the vocalization with, you know,

First you heard one. Yeah, that was my own recording. That was your own recording. Can we play that real quick? Sure. Yeah. You're going to have to... Here, let me get my phone.

If you can, you're going to have to dig for it. No, I got it. Yeah, she's got it. Oh, she's just sent to me. I have it. Well, and the reason why we actually want to play this is because, you know, we're talking about a very, very viral topic. Now, that viral topic will probably get us a lot of downloads on this podcast,

but we also want to be real, right? Yeah. We don't want to just go. We seek the truth. Yeah, we don't go along the narrative just because. Well, I'm going to, I will tell you that I'm really, really skeptical of this one. Yeah. And, you know what?

Honestly, I have been, too. But look, if he did die, that would be very interesting. Like, if we knew for sure that he was dead, right? That one. You just got to click that one. You'll hear it. Now, there's some men, like, muffled in the beginning. but you'll hear it.

Here, let me forward this to me. No, but you have a... No, because you're not on your... Okay, sorry. All right, Chad's getting their recording now. Okay, so here's the recording, let's see if it will... It should come through good.

Are you sure this is it? This is it. I promise. Okay, okay. Here we go. Wow. It actually sounds... It's weird.

It sounds like it goes like three different octaves. Yeah. Give us context about that recording. Yeah. Yeah, what's the context? behind the recording run. That was my very first expedition, the very first night. The first sound that you heard was actually Matt Moneymaker himself doing a call.

He was a good way from where we were stationed at. And we were on an old mountain road. And when I say road, I'm talking only because there were spaces in between the grass and the brush. And we were in the middle of the woods. down in Oklahoma Southeast Oklahoma

in the Wichita Mountains and Matt let out of how and then soon we got a response and that one was human and the other one wasn't and

I've ran that thing by many of people and if you ever saw it on a spectrogram you would see the separation and the higher of the octaves when it does that it's cool so the first one was a human calling and then it called back pretty much yeah that first one was human and that was matt moneymaker and then the response wasn't and who is matt moneymaker by the way he's all over the facebook pages matt moneymaker is the president and founder of uh Bigfoot field research organization and also one of the former stars of finding Bigfoot. Okay.

And, you know, a lot of people love them. A lot of people don't like them. But the vein is, you've got to respect the man. He is a cornucopia of information when it comes to Bigfoot. Wow. Now, Ron, have you guys, as far as BFRO, have you guys, and I don't actually know what the, I guess, history behind this is or whatever. But what is the consensus among, say, wildlife experts or whoever it may be,

especially those experts that know sounds, that can say that this is not a sound that we know of any creature in this area? Does that make sense? Yeah, and we do have some of those experts that has analyzed a lot of a lot of requirements. And, you know, I mean, I can hear, and I have disciplined myself to know certain sounds, you know, in the night. I mean, there's a lot of people that, you know, they'll go in there in the woods, you know, and they'll hear like a monkey chattered. Like, you know, like that. Okay. Ron, that was great.

Yeah. you out, you know? Oh, my gosh, you know? You know what that is? It's a barred owl. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Oh, so that's what, oh, I got it. Okay. Yeah, the monkey chatter. Yeah. I mean, there's, you know, I've always lived on the premises until all things possible are explained away. Only then can you look at the impossible to be the answer. By the way, I do want to mention the movie, Willow Creek is a great movie. Even though it's crazy, but I love that movie. There was,

Someone else talking about that the other day. It's a Bigfoot movie. But like, and it's very, it looks low budget, but they did a great job, like, portraying, you know. Being killed. Yeah, I was produced and directed by Bobcat Gothway. You remember him from a police academy and various other movies. Oh, really? I didn't know.

You know, the one with the, oh, yeah, he's the one with, you know, had the threats, you know, and, you know, you'd be talking to him. And, you know, like, and anyway, I met him at the Ohio Bigfoot. conference a few years back. And he asked me, so Ron, no, he didn't do that. He said, so Ron, what did you think of the movie? And I said,

well, towards the end, you sort of Hollywooded it, you know, as usual, Bigfoot beats the crap out of the guy and takes off with the girl and, you know, everybody gets killed or eaten. But the stuff leading up until the following night, I said, you have taken practically every experience that I have been through in the past 10, 12 years and condensed it in the night. Wow. I've heard the vocalization.

I've had these things throw stuff at me. I've had veins walking around my tent and poke at me through the tent. You know, and he's, and he, you know, I didn't, you know, put a flashlight in my face and started crying. But, you know, I've had all that stuff happen. And I said, and you managed to condense my teen years of my life all in one night. And he goes, and he goes, Ron, that was the most incredible, uh, uh, And that was the most incredible put together that I ever heard of my film yet. Well, isn't it interesting, though, too, it's like, you know, the way they kind of portrayed the movie.

Now, obviously, if he's at a Bigfoot conference, right, did he do this movie because he believes in Bigfoot and he wanted to portray it in his own artistic way? Or did you find out about that? He has been on some expeditions since then, you know. He was sort of, you know, a few things happened because they were actually in the Willow Creek. hear you when they filmed this. And of course, and I believe Bobo, some of those vocalizations you heard was Bobo himself.

And and, you know, to hear and listen to some of the stuff that they talked about piqued his interest. And he's been on a couple of expeditions out that way. And

and it, I think he's a little bit more open to the possibility than he was when you first started out this project. Wow. Now, Ron, how old were you when you had your siding? I think you're like in your teens or early 20s? Early 20s.

I like to call it 20 stupid. 20 stupid. Can you just give us a rundown? Yeah, you've ever been 20 stupid? Yes, definitely. 24 was mine 24 stupid. But anyways, give us a little rundown of your account of what happened. I remember, but I just want people to like hear it again.

because that was years ago that we talked to you. Three years. Yeah. Back in the late 80s, me and some friends of mine, we were, you know, goofing around one afternoon, playing ball and all like it stuff. And we heard that there was a kegger going on in the old resort.

Now, the old resort, it was an old hunting lodge that has been long deserted, and desolated by time and environment. And but, you know, it was over there by an area that was not very developed at the time. And you would have to follow, you'd have to cross over a fence and then follow this trail up to where the old buildings were. Most of the buildings weren't even standing. And plus they had a in-ground swimming pool. which was great for building a bonfire and setting up a keg.

And we showed up there about, oh, when we showed up there to where they said it was going to be, we noticed there wasn't any cars. So we just had to go ahead and check out, you know, the road resort and see if anybody's been there. Because sometimes either, A, they didn't pull me up for, no one pulled me up for the keg, or B, it got busted by, you know, the sheriff's department. So we followed that trail. We went up there. We checked out and we couldn't see any, you know, evidence of anybody being there before us.

So, you know, we said, we said good day to it and started to head back. This was towards the end of the evening. And this was mid to late June. What state was it? Sorry. What's, where? Oh, I'm sorry. This is Missouri?

Yeah, this was in Missouri. following the James River not too far away from Springfield, Missouri. And anyway, we started hitting back. It was right at dusk, meaning that, you know, the sun all but set, but, you know, but the light from the sunset was still upon us. And we were walking down there, and we're walking south, so that made the west to our right. and there was

there was eight of us now three guys were in front of us a good 50 feet away or 50 hundred feet away and there was a couple guys behind us and they were you know 33 feet behind us and then there was three of us

there was me and I'm 6'4 3 and I said which is really tall well yeah but you know I was with a guy named Gene and he was and he was ever bed of six foot five six foot six and then the yeah he was a big he was a big old cornbread fed son of a gun and and then there was another guy

and he was like six foot barely um so we were walking along and then uh this funk sort of you know fell on us like a cloud and it was just really, I mean, it was almost nauseating how thick, you know, how extreme the smell was. And Gene was like, Ron, what is the smell? I said, dude, I don't know, but it's about to make me sick. And we kept on walking, and then Gene just stopped. And, you know, mind you, we were on this trail,

and that trail was elevated from the floor, it's four, about good two feet. and and James just stopped and looked to his right you know like with the sun's with the with the dust of the sunset you know behind the the tree line and less than 20 feet away from us

was this figure and he goes oh my God and I looked over there and sure enough there was this I really couldn't make out the face but I could make up the head and the shoulders and the arms that was behind this tree and was swinging back and forth, back and forth at us. And at first it's sort of humored me

because it reminded me of those little cartoons where a hippopotamus was trying to hide behind a light pole, you know? And swinging back and forth. And I looked in the back and know those guys were there. I looked in front of us. those guys were counting for two. And here's this thing, you know, swimming back and forth at us.

And Gene goes, I can't handle this. And he took off running. Well, being that he was the bigger one of us, yeah, I did this thing. And we didn't stop until we went, we got back and,

and got to the vehicle. And the rest of the group, the rest of the group was there. Now, even then, back when I was 20 stupid, I still had sort of a cynical mine about it me. So we told him what happened,

and I said, okay, maybe what we smelled was someone, maybe that was you know, vomit or something that we smelt. And maybe that was a cedar tree behind that tree. And that was, you know, swaying back and forth in the wind, even though I didn't all

recalled such wind. So me and another guy who happened on the vehicle that we came, we went back. Now, I remember the spot that we were, because there was a tree branch of some sort laying across that trail. And the smell was gone

and nothing was behind that tree where the figure was behind making itself known. So for years, that really messed with me. And I hardly told anybody about it because I would, you know, oh good, that's nice.

Yeah, but there's eight of you. you that saw this thing. Well, no, there was only three of us. They either two didn't. They may have got west with the smell, but they didn't, you know. Well, I was going to ask you about the smell, though. Was it like what kind of funk smell? Well, you wished it was gunk.

It was like fermented, it was almost like fermented musky vomit. That's how bad it was. Wow. Yes. So do you think it was a primate kind of? pheromone that you're talking about smell or is it was it completely different back when i was 20 something i didn't know all i knew is it smelled really really bad and it was no skill oh hold on ron i think we got disconnected somehow let me hold on ron ron okay guys hold on we're we're getting ron back here i don't

know why that disconnected real quick let me so anyways ron was like with all these buddies but i guess three of them saw this figure and he was in his 20 dumb something whatever he calls it and i think we're back with ron i think it's very amazing that he has he recalls this so well ron can you hear us okay why are we not connected to uh on just put it on speaker yeah we can do that but um hold on ron we're gonna we're gonna call you right back i don't know why that disconnected but anyways guys we want maybe we only have bluetooth three person along. No, no, it's connected still.

But it's a very interesting story. Like, I mean, it's not a story. This is his real account of what happened. And I, you know, I believe it completely. Yeah. So what I wanted to ask him, though, was I want to know, I really want to know his opinion on the whole situation with some of these National Park Disappearances. Oh, yeah.

We should get wrong on that stuff. Because I do want to know. And I don't know why our Bluetooth is probably our iPhone because our phones. Ron, we can hear you. For some reason, our connection got lost. But listen, Ron, to your story, I want to ask you real quick. Well, just let him finish it, though. Oh, I thought he was done.

Well, there's two things. I mean, a, the swing back and forth is not uncommon with a primate that gets agitated. And I already told you about the smell and how they'll admit that smell. Yeah. But also, I told you that Gene was like six foot five. Right. That forest floor that was elevated, I mean, the trail that we were on, which was basically an old driveway to get through the buildings, that was about two feet elevated from the forest floor. And if Gene was about six foot five and looking pretty much eye to this, that would make it about eight foot tall.

Wow. Yeah, that's nice. Did it look like a primate? I mean, what color was it? In the, like I said, white-at-dust. All I could make out was a furry feature, conical head, you know, large broad shoulders, and one of the hands was holding the tree. Wow.

Ron, let me ask you, have you heard about these disappearances in national parks? There was a very famous case, I believe, in the great. Smokey Mous National Park of a little boy that was playing hide and go seek. His family was up ahead or I guess they were back on the trail a little bit. This little boy disappeared. He went and hid behind a little bush right off the trail and disappeared forever. They never found his body, never found any scales or remains. He was gone.

And this is not just one case. This is cases of National Park disappearances around the country in the United States, but not just the United States, other places as well, Alaska is United States. but, you know, I'm saying the Continental 48. But when I, you know, do you think that that could potentially be connected to this? I mean, obviously the speculations go wild, you know, when people completely disappear and especially given instances of, you know, they're walking with someone, they step off the trail to either use the bathroom or do something else.

They completely disappear off the face of Earth. No one ever finds their remains, nothing. There are very, very, you know, famous cases of things. things like this happening. And some of that's been blamed on potential UFOs. But if we're talking about Bigfoot's, I mean... Bigfoot's, feral people. I mean, a lot of things have been blamed.

The feral people deal. The possibility is there. But the vein is. You know, there was a movie came out while back called The Usual Suspects. There's too many usual suspects that would explain that way a lot faster than a lot faster than a bigfoot. I mean, to put, I mean, to put Bigfoot as the grand, you know, suspect of these, of these people disappearing would, I think would be irresponsible. But possible.

Well, but I agree to you because Bigfoot, to me, any bigfoots that are out there, they don't want, themselves to be known. Like, they hide from people. They don't want people to see them, is what I feel like. I believe that that big foot, that, that possible big foot that I saw, the only reason why it made itself to be seen by us is because it wanted to be seen. And the reason why is because we were looking to our right and to the left, its family pod was making its way deeper in the forest.

It was, it was, it was, it was, um, placing itself. as a deterrent from us seeing its family pod escaping. Wow. So do you think that Bigfoot's live in family pods? For the most part, yeah. Now that one that they said was all matted and great hair and stuff, odds are that he probably wasn't part of a family pot. odd. And I say this, I say this because most reports that we get of squashes, the hair is almost like human hair. Like brushed out.

And it's usually, well, we did, me and another investigator, we did a report, and we were, we were questioning the witnesses. And I was asking on us And so the fur on the back was It all matted and full of the brush and stuff He was no actually I was amazed on how clean it was That's grooming That's evidence of grooming Right and primates groom like crazy

Exactly Yeah they don't have another way Well they do groom you know I don't care how big your arm is you know, you're not going to reach back there and make sure that you're here, you know. Right. So somebody else is one of your family members are grooming you. Yeah.

And that is evidence of a social relationship. Yeah. And you, I mean, I'm not trying to compare Bigfoot to cats, but cats do the same thing. They groom each other. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, that's nuts. I mean, this whole thing is crazy.

I guess the Andrew Dawson thing thing, What I want to know about the Andrew Dawson thing is, is he alive or is he dead? Is this some big hoax that he just wanted attention from, you know, I don't know. It doesn't seem, I will put it this way. It doesn't seem like Andrew Dawson, especially considering that he had been posting on TikTok forever for a long time. Right. And not even about conspiracy theories for Bigfoot or anything like that. Yeah, it's just weird.

That's what's crazy to me is he was just like a normal dude just like, you know, this is me and my dog, you know. This is me and my new haircut. He was not into anything conspiracy-wise. And all of a sudden, he sees this giant on the mountain and gets freaked out about it and then sees all these other things and then he disappears. Yeah. I just think that's kind of crazy. It is. It's nuts.

But Ron, we will definitely, we're going to follow up on the story. We'll find out something. If this guy isn't dead, I would assume that something will eventually. eventually come out. Well, Ron said there's no death certificate. Well, I'm just saying, I mean, there's not really a lot of information about him being dead. You would think there would be, but... Yeah, I mean, his girlfriend, oh, you know, oh, I love him so much. Where is he at? You know? Okay, you don't know.

Yeah, I heard something about that. Like, his girlfriend has a TikTok account, right? And she's posting, I guess. Hmm. You know, all Terry Dives and stuff, and I'm like, okay. How did you I? Yeah. That's interesting, yeah. Yeah, so this could be a hoax, so. But it may not be.

Who knows? But we got Ron on here to give his expertise. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, well, that's why we wanted to have Yon, because we wanted to just the Bigfoot side of it, you know, with your history of Bigfoot and all that. We wanted to get your opinion on it. So at least from what we're saying is, guys, we probably don't think this is a Bigfoot situation, but we don't know what it is. And if he really is dead, right? That would be, like, that would be different, I guess.

Like, if this guy actually died and we don't really know how, if we knew for sure he died. But most people can come up with a death certificate. Well, we need to figure it out. And as I brought up, what the hell is CIA doing in Canada? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we're going to have to research that. And any sleuths out there, because we have been covering the Idaho murders,

and we have a lot of sleuths on our podcast now, now. So I would like them to go see if they can find a death certificate for this guy. Yeah. Someone, if you know anything about this, let us know. Ron, listen, thank you very much for coming on. We're going to have you back on because we're going to touch base on some other Bigfoot stuff in the near future. Not really necessarily with the Andrew Dawson case, but we want to cover a couple more subjects. But we're not going to wait three years. No. It's been a while. It's been a while. We've had so much to talk about in the past three years.

I'm just a homo elected. I know. You don't write. You don't call. I know, right? We're sorry, Ron. We love you. No, but listen, we heard this story and I was like, we got to call.

We got to reach after Ron. It's like, we got to call Ron right now. But Ron, thank you so much for coming on. And listen, guys, go to BFRO if you want to know anything or research some Bigfoot stuff. BFRO.com. Yeah, BFRO. dot net. That is the website. And listen, we're going to bring Ron back on soon, and we will talk about some other aspects of the Bigfoot thing outside of the Andrew Dawson thing.

Because I have some other theories and some other subjects. We need to dive a little deeper on, especially when it comes to the Indian stuff and all that. I would like, I would like to have a conversation based on the biological creature Bigfoot and the interdimensional creature Bigfoot. You're going to go there. Because I think we need to talk about that. And I want to not have a debate, but I want to, I want to try to convince you that Bigfoot could be actually interdimensional. Good luck. But listen, nonetheless, people will love hearing that.

So that will be an upcoming episode we'll do for sure. But until then. Bigger men than you have tried. Well, look, we're going to try again. But Ron, thank you so much for coming on. Yes, Ron. Ron is our buddy. Yeah, we will definitely talk to you very soon.

All right, take care. All right, thanks, Ron. Thank you. All right, guys. So, yeah, so anyways, our connection kind of went weird there. I think that maybe you can't have a Bluetooth for so long because we've been talking about this for a long time. No, I don't know. It's probably what it is.

It was strange. But let's... Maybe he's big foot. Disconnect this because he's interdimensional. Oh, my God. All right, guys. So here's my, here's our final. I'll give you my final thoughts, Sherry.

You can give your final thoughts in just a second. Ron says it's no, no go. Ron's final thoughts probably are, is that this is probably bullshit. Yeah, he's saying it's a hoax. It's a hawks like a duck, looks like a duck. It's just like a duck. It's a duck. Right?

So here's my thoughts. This Andrew Dawson story, although, many of you sent us this story. I mean, I've seen in emails, I've seen it messages, I've seen it in so many places. Places we don't even really ever get on, Instagram, and you name it. But yeah, I saw the story. I definitely want to research it. Now, listen, I'll give you my 100% unbiased thoughts, even though, like, for our podcast, this would be an amazing story to believe in. Like, because this is like, holy shit. The government killed somebody because of what, Now listen, Ron made a good point because I sound like an idiot by saying the government is not even our government. If you're going to talk about the CIA, well, that's the United States. This is in Canada. And this dude is a Canadian, okay?

Right. And unless the CIA has, you know, extra jurisdiction and empowerment in Canada, which we, you know, who the hell knows nowadays? I mean, we are basically fighting a war with Ukraine and Russia through Ukraine. Who knows, right? So that's my thought on the CIA, I think. Could the CIA actually somehow be involved? And regardless of that, Andrew Dawson has no idea who the hell these people were that were, you know, according to his videos. If you just, if you just watched the videos, this car that was following him or cut him off or saying this, that's what doesn't even make sense. Or told him to turn around or whatever. He's like, do you turn around? That's doesn't, that's what doesn't make sense about the video because why would you even say CIA? Because you're in Canada, right?

I mean, but, but to hit put, but to the credit of Andrew Dawson, like if you're thinking, of some very sinister, evil, deep state type thing about supernatural slash Bigfoot UFO stuff, right? You think of, even in Canada, you would probably think of CIA. Yeah, I'm thinking

Area 51, but they wouldn't call it or, is it Area 51? Oh my God, I'm being a dummy. But the CIA, even in Canada and other places, kind of supersedes even jurisdictional lines in a lot of people's minds, I guess, right? And so...

But maybe he didn't even know it was CIA. I know. He doesn't, obviously, because how is he going to know that? But what I'm saying is his his just thought process and what he said was

CIA. It must be CIA. Because everyone around the world knows how corrupt they believe the CIA is in the United States and how much shit they hide, especially with the UFOs. So if he's thinking this is some giant creature thing, but it is strange that he even mentioned CIA and he's in Canada.

On the other hand, one of the One of the things that I first, when I was, I guess, hearing the story watching the videos, and I was like, okay, here's the story, let's watch the videos. And I was watching all these videos, and I saw the thing on the mountain, which, I mean, you know, that was a thing on the mountain that looked like. It didn't look Photoshopped or at least CGIed or whatever, because it was a video. And then I saw the helicopters raising something out of the thing.

And then another video showed like some kind of military equipment up on top of the mountain the next day or something. who knows but the video that got me to where I thought potentially this was fake was the video of him confessing that it was fake I looked at this video

and thought this was a fake video like how he was like overly nervous trying to look off camera to make you think that this was what you're supposed to think so it's like almost reverse psychology team no yes absolutely

he wants you to think that he's looking off camera and someone is directing him what to say. That is what this video to me looks like. It looks like he is a bad actor at this, right? And he's trying to portray to the people, hey, this is someone, the CIA people I've been trying to give you to believe in. This is who I'm looking at. But I feel like he did a shitty job at acting in this. And this is just, and I'm not saying this is true. listen to me. I'm not saying it could very... Chad's seeing my eye roll right now because I don't believe that. It could very well be true.

Okay, listen, I'm just saying that was the one thing that kind of got to me when I first saw this. I was like, I'm not believing this. Where is Mr. Dawson? Why is he not having... I forgot his first name is why I said. Andrew Dawson. Andrew Dawson. Where is he?

Why is he not on TikTok today? Why is he not on YouTube? And supposedly dead. Yeah, and why is he supposedly dead? Okay, I get there's not a death certificate, but where is this guy? It's like Papa Roger. And I don't know if a lot of you know that Papa Roger, but I'm not going to go there, but I'm just saying, where is he? If it's a hoax, don't you think he'd be back on TikTok trying to make money?

Well, maybe, yeah, you would think, yeah, you would think he wouldn't end it this way, right? Because, like, if you want to get famous. I'm hoaxing it, so I'm going to get off here, and I'm not going to ever come back. back? Yeah, if you want to get famous, you wouldn't just disappear. Yeah, he has disappeared. This dude is out the door and never came back. Yeah, so.

So I think something, I think I get valid points of you and Ron. I get both of your points, but I think there is something more than what we know going on with this guy. Yeah, it could, yeah, you're 100% right. Because, you know, I don't know what they are in Canada. What are they called in Canada? I don't know they have Mounties, but that's not what the... But I'm just saying somebody, if it was not the CIA, maybe he didn't, I mean, he was a Canadian. I don't know.

But he said CIA. Yeah. That's because that's like a thing to say when you talk about Bigfoot UFO, stuff like that. CIA is always involved somehow. But all of a sudden, this guy went from three TikToks a day to nothing. Yeah. And he's disappeared. Where is he?

And there is an obituary. You know, there, you know, there, you know, let's not really. an official obituary. It really isn't. And like Ron says, there's not a death certificate either. We have got to like dig into this and figure it out. Is there a death certificate for this guy or not? And that's going to tell us if it's a hoax or not.

And is this guy even named Andrew Dawson? You know, that's the thing. It could, it could have been a. But if it was a TikTok that's been there for, you know, since TikTok's been open, then it's him. Yeah. It has to be. Well, listen, guys, we're going to leave this to you.

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I think there's something suspicious. And I get Ron's point. He's like, well, it's definitely not a Bigfoot. And that's his main thing. And it also came to say, you know, there's no CIA. There's no death certificate. it. Chad's kind of on the same page as that, but I just think it's fishy, a guy being on, which

I don't even know how to make money on TikTok. Well, then they make money. So they're making money somehow. Obviously, he was on TikTok making money, is doing pretty good. And then all of a sudden he comes, you know, he goes out of his forum of, this is me and my dog. This is my haircut to, holy shit, what's on this mountain to being dead? Which is all very possible.

Look, there's a lot of people that seek attention out there nowadays. I mean, and that's just the way it is. And, you know, the reason we did this story is because so many people reached out to us about this. So, you know, when this channel has millions of views and, you know, there's a lot of people that listen to us that will watch this and say. We got to sleuth this, guys. What is the deal with this? Guys, if anybody can confirm or deny the fact that he is alive or dead, that's one step, right? Yeah, that would be the first step, I think.

And look, and look, if he is dead, then we get to look at this. differently, right? I mean, if we know for sure this guy died. Yeah, we got to find out for sure. Then we got to know. Because I don't think that announcement that we saw on wherever it was, I don't think that's a necessarily an obituary. I don't know. Well, it's like a, I guess, I haven't researched it. It looks like it. I mean, they're telling like what he is a local news. Yeah, but he told about like what he wanted, you know, what he liked to do in his life and how outdoorsy he was and all these things. And I was talking about how he was, person. I get that.

Yeah. Yeah, we got to get to the bottom. So there's something suss about that, guys, and that's my new word, suss. Well, listen, so guys, if anybody can get us some information on that, please do. We would love to know

because, I mean, look, you kind of know at least my thoughts, Sherry's thoughts. Sherry believes a little more on the sinister side and I have, but, you know, just thinking and thinking and talking to Ron and it is just weird. Maybe we should do a Facebook group about it. No. Yeah, I'm going to create.

I'm going to create one tonight and we're going to figure it out. Okay. Let's do it, guys. I have no idea. Let's do it. But guys, listen, this has been another Investigator, Earth podcast episode. We don't know what the true story is with this, but look, send us messages. Let us know.

Help us figure this shit out because we don't know. This is part of why we do this podcast. We all got to figure out the truth together. Yeah, we want the truth. Just the truth. Thanks Ron Bowles for coming on. Thank you, Ron. Ron, we appreciate you very much.

We love you, Ron. Ron is a good example of someone that, look, he's very involved in the Bigfoot thing, but he's not going to bullshit. And those are the people you need in spaces of the things that we talk about on here. Exactly. And that's what we're doing. So, guys, we love you. And until next time, peace out.

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