Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Are UFOs Aliens or Demons? The Theory That Changes Everything | El Dave

Episode Date: June 17, 2026

As UFO disclosure continues to dominate headlines and more people question what is really behind the phenomenon, we revisit one of our most fascinating conversations with El Dave. Are UFOs extraterrestrial visitors from another world, interdimensional beings, fallen angels, or something even stranger? In this episode, we explore the growing debate over the true nature of UFOs and examine the evidence from both a spiritual and investigative perspective. We also dive into government secrecy, alien encounters, consciousness, ancient civilizations, biblical connections, and why so many researchers are beginning to question the extraterrestrial explanation altogether. Whether you're a believer, skeptic, or somewhere in between, this conversation will challenge the way you think about the UFO phenomenon.Visit our merchandise store

Hey guys, welcome to the episode. I wanted to go ahead and give you a quick note before we get into this one. This was recorded a couple of years ago when we had L. Dave on. Now, L. Dave is a great friend of ours. He has since stepped away from podcast and pretty much all social media and everything else over the past couple of years. Now, for audience members that have been with us for a while, most of our audience loves L. Dave. he was definitely one of our favorite guests by anybody that listened to him and especially us. And the reason why we wanted to actually replay this episode for you guys is a couple of reasons. Number one, there is set to be a huge announcement from what we're hearing by President Trump in the coming weeks.

Now, we don't know exactly when, but we're hearing potentially this will be the big UFO announcement, the speech. Maybe this will be disclosure where the president of the United States officially comes out and says, are not alone. And then also, we've talked a lot over the years about what these aliens could actually be. Are they aliens? Are they demons? Are they both?

Are they all the above? And in this conversation with Dave, we get in pretty deep into that topic. But we also cover a lot of topics when it comes to the alien UFO, UAP phenomenon. I also wanted to say the reason why we do not have a brand new episode tonight. I've been going through some medical stuff over the past week or two. It's been pretty brutal. and we are hoping to come back and be live tomorrow. So hopefully that works out.

But I just wanted to kind of come on, give you guys a heads up. This episode is absolutely worth listening to, especially leading into the next couple, two or three weeks. And especially if the president of the United States does make such announcement, this guy, this interview is probably one of the best interviews we've done. So enjoy the episode. So and welcome to Investigator's Podcast. I'm your host, chat, alongside my beautiful white.

Sherry on tonight's episode. We're going to be talking aliens, man. It's been a little while. The last episode we actually talked about aliens on was the aliens among us episode, where the report came out that said we might actually be living among aliens, which, listen, there's a lot of crazy shit going on in this world right now. And the more Biden videos I keep watching where he sounds like he's saying some crazy stuff. No more, I am convinced that we might actually be living with aliens.

But guys, we also have a very special guest. on the podcast tonight. L Dave from Alien Addict. How's it going, Dave? It's going great. Thanks for having me on, guys. Not a problem, man. It's been a while, Dave.

And you are obviously from Alien Addict. You guys talk a lot about the alien topic quite often. But I want to just go ahead and get into it. Have you heard this story about the alien megastructures potentially found? Yes. Yes. Yeah. I am aware of that story that's been.

floating on the headlines. Okay, okay. Well, without further ado, let's go ahead and get into the story from News Nation, where they talk about the potential of alien megastructures. And then we'll talk about it on the backside, guys. Here you go. Well, in the search for signs of intelligent life, there's a new study that may suggest we are not alone. A group of researchers have identified at least seven stars that might be surrounded by advanced megastructures known as Dyson Spheres. Dyson Spheres. What? Emily Finn joins. now to tell us more about this. Emily, Dyson spheres, possible megastructures, all of this is a lot to take in. It certainly is. It might freak you out. It might peak your interest. I mean, it's certainly

interesting. The thought is that potential superior, intelligent life might be creating buildings or devices to harness energy around their home stars or planets creating these so-called alien megastructures. This newly released study published by a group of researchers in the monthly notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, specifically looks at the theory around Dyson spheres and finds at least seven stars might be surrounded by these alleged alien structures already. The aliens, I guess, have been busy. The group looked at infrared heat near stars located within 1,000 light years from Earth, a type of heat that can't otherwise be explained. It all stems from a theory from 1960s physicist Freeman Dyson, who believed if these structures in fact existed,

scientists on Earth might be able to pick up on those infrared waves. NewsNation spoke with Jan 11, a professor of astronomy and physics at Barnard College and at Columbia University, who casts doubt on the possible alien origins of what these researchers are observing. We are in a new era in terms of our understanding of how prevalent planets are and how planets are absolutely prolific in the universe. And that really suggests that life is. is prolific. The question is whether or not life can easily reach the phase of industrialization

and building things and exploring space. So this studies team had some pretty advanced tech. They used two active telescopes that are in space right now to conduct their research, but there is no conclusive evidence quite yet to determine what exactly is happening around these stars. Nick, do you think it might be alien structures? I don't know if they're alien structures, but it seems as though the evidence suggests as something that they want to figure out. Certainly something. So they got very advanced technology guys.

They have telescopes. And I'm just letting you know it has to be aliens now, right? Dave, what is your thoughts on this? Just, I mean, what is your first impressions when you hear this story from News Nation? It's really good propaganda. Okay. And so why do you think propaganda on this? They don't have any evidence.

They're making spectacular claims. and later on, especially when you read it and just not listen to them, they go on to tell you that they don't know anything. They're just seeing a deviation in light, and they believe that's what it is. And then they build you this fantasy off what they believe. Like, it's not even an instance of data. It's not an instance of fact.

There is no proof. It would be kind of like me stepping outside and having a raindrop hit me on a cloudy day and then coming to the great fanciful story of the mega whale doing a backflip in the Atlantic ocean and the ocean spray somehow going thousands of miles to the air that's going to cause a hurricane in China that then will spread the Great Wake famine and awaken the old gods from Antarctica. Like that's, this is what we're talking about. Yeah. Like it's on that scale of just like you're really, but I mean, I get it.

They're trying to get people interested and bring them in and it's something that captivates the imagination. But they don't have evidence. Like this is a huge leap to go to. What do you think they're talking about when they're talking about these Dyson's fears? Is this something that's real? Well, so no one knows. A Dyson sphere is a concept.

And what it is, it's thought up by scientists that we could encapsulate a star. We could build a physical structure around a star, harness its energy. Right? Like that's the point of the Dyson sphere. Okay. I mean, yeah, sure. The amount of resources that would take is unfathomable. when you think of how big a star is, truly is.

You know, one of the things they allege is out there is these giant super planets that are a thousand times the size of Jupiter and Jupiter is, you know, 100,000 times the size of Earth and the sun is, you know, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of the times the size of Jupiter. Do you want to build a structure around it? But you know what? Not like that, how far out it has to be, not to melt. Absolutely. And you know what also kind of this reminds.

me of when they talk about harness and energy from their stars, right? And they're talking about alien life. It just makes me go back to CERN for a second. Because if you think about CERN and a lot of the research they're doing at CERN for people that don't know, CERN is the large Hadron Collider. It is a particle accelerator slash collider. This is a lot of research they're doing there is trying to prove the theory and the basis around other dimensions. So beyond what we know, third and fourth. Many speculate there is up to 11 or 12 dimensions. And many of the scientists theorize at the very least that if you have the power of the 10th or 11th dimension,

if you had an alien life form that had the capabilities to harness the power or at least be able to interact with that 11th dimension, unlike we can do ourselves, you would be able to fully harness the energy and power of your star, of your solar system, potentially of your galaxy. And so is it, doesn't it kind of sound similarly to where they're kind of almost mixing two concepts together because in one hand, there's like, these are physical structures, Dyson spheres. But if you're talking about interdimensionality to where you're going to a 10th and 11th dimension,

they wouldn't really necessarily need a physical structure to harness power from a star system. Yeah. I mean, again, it's all theory, right? Like everything is theory. Like this story that they have. is just to capture imagination. It's a headline grabber. It's probably to distract the vast majority of people from something else that's actually going on in the media.

They don't want you to pay attention to. As a tried and true conspiracy theorist, whenever I see a headline and it makes me feel or think a particular way, I have to sit back and say, why do they want me to think this? Why do they want me to feel that way? Because all of it is just grooming you. You've been groomed since birth to react certain ways to specific phrases. topics, images. And that's why they're repeated in culture and in news and in movies so they can guide you.

I mean, that's a good point because I always say, especially when all of media talk about the same thing at once, including Fox News and, you know, MSNBC, CNN, News Nation, whatever it may be, when you have these mainstream media outlets that for some reason, in some miraculous miracle, they all get together. and say the same thing on a certain topic. And this is actually going on. We're not going to get into politicalness of this, but I'm just saying this is going on in particular with even Ukraine and Russia. This is going on between the Israel and Palestine conflict. But it's also going on in the UFO topic. What is the narrative of media right now?

Is it being used by the government to say, hey, we know we have UFOs. And if we know that the government controls, most of the media, right? Because, I mean, the media is basically the right hand of the government, the mouth of the government now, although they don't say we are a state-run media, but essentially the media in the United States is state-run. What is the narrative here? And is the government intentionally trying to release this information for disclosure, or are they trying to release this information to cover up something else? It's a good question. It's a big question in that they're obviously trying to shape what we believe about a topic.

And with the UFO one particularly. But that would say that the entire government, right, moves in concert together, as in they are all in the same team. They all work together. We know that's not the case. Intelligence agencies within our own government work against each other, work against other intelligence agencies. And sometimes it's hard to tell who's who.

You know, MI6 from Mossad from CIA. You don't know who's who. You don't know what they're doing. At times they're working together and at times they're working apart. The problem is when everybody's in secret and no one's talking and everything's blacked out, no one knows what's going on. I think you have a lot of individual parties trying to push their own agenda, whatever that agenda is, whether it be the nuts and bolts alien craft that we're recovering.

And, you know, I think that is. been for a very long time the push and it's a unique push that isn't just about us not being alone in the cosmos but also is kind of an attack on faith in a way yeah that you're not unique you're in accidents and happenstance nuts and bolts it are it backs up that whereas if you go to the other side of the aisle where they're talking about these things there's a spiritual component aliens, demons, multidimensional, well, now you're in the realm of faith

and gods and angels and devils and that plays into a longer history. You know, that's existed long before here. You're right. It's interesting. I want to play this clip that you bring this up because, you know, I think it's a perfect time to bring this clip up.

This is a clip of the potential that what we are seeing could be angelics as a professor, although I definitely do not. trust professors these days, but at the very least, let's listen to what he has to say. To think, and in your book, you've even suggested that aliens and angels are one and the same. Talk to me about your own maybe foundation and faith and how you came up with that conclusion. Actually, what I say is that some of the sightings and encounters we have could be angelic

or even demonic fallen angels. But really, the main point of the book is that I think that would only be a portion of them, the kind of evidence that's accumulating these days in these accounters suggest something that would be different from angels or fallen angels, demons. So I'm a part of an effort these days, another one of the new developments, to encourage scholars and all kinds of fields, including religious studies, to begin looking more closely at the UAP studies field and to look at it in light of their own religious traditions. That's what I've tried to do with my book from the Catholic tradition,

but I'm encouraging folks from other religious traditions to do the same. Dr. Thickpin, you and I can agree that people are definitely much more interested now than they had been in the past, and I think that the growing attention can only help to bring light to the situation after all. Wasn't it Ezekiel who looked up into the sky and saw a wheel? So maybe he too saw some type of UFO or object there. All right, so there's another report from Professor on News Nation again, news nation uh you know i don't know are they the ufo propaganda machine who knows but the very

least let's talk about this for a minute because you just mentioned right like is the push for UFO transparency or the government or the media or whatever the case may be i think a lot of christians and people that believe in god and all that stuff there's a lot of those people that do not believe in UFOs whatsoever they think that if you believe in UFOs that i don't know it's almost like you're you're downplaying God or you're downplaying Christianity or Jesus or whatever it is you may believe. But could these things be spiritual in nature? And is that maybe what the government's hiding, Dave?

I mean, are they trying to push the narrative that these things are from another planet? They are physical beings that are godless or have their own God or whatever the case may be. I know this is a complex question, but it is. Yeah, it absolutely is. Yeah, and it's L Dave to you. L Dave. Yeah. It's L Dave to me.

It's, uh, so, so think about what the, what the reporter said, right? Think about the nature of the way that article is phrased in their topic that UFOs are angels. Like that's, that's the grab. Aliens are angels, right? And when he asked the professor who's doing the research, he's like, well, yeah. And the professor says could be angels or demons. Mm-hmm. Right.

Like that, that was his immediate go-to, but that wasn't the headline. that wasn't what the journalist was trying to put out. That wasn't the message that was trying to be pushed. And the way he makes a casual reference tells you one he most of, I mean, the one thing to take away from journalists on TV is they're not journalists, right? Like they're talking heads that do exactly what they're told. They're not investigating.

They're not researching. They're not looking into. So he speaks of Ezekiel's wheel. And that's something you'll hear a lot. Well, Ezekiel's will, it's definitely an alien spacecraft. You know, that's just technology. Ezekiel's will, you should really, really read the description of it because it is not a craft. It sounds like a multidimensional being that's trying to fit into our reality and it's not doing a great job.

It's wheels within wheels covered in eyes and fire with a great eye inside. That's terrifying. In fact, there's AI descriptions out there. You can easily Google anyone can or duck, duck go or whatever you want to use. It just depends on if you want the NSA or CIA to have your information. Yes. So according to this professor and with your opinion and thoughts, do you think that they're angels or demons or both or neither? Or all the above?

Sure. Yeah. Yes. All of the both. I mean, I don't know. Like, I don't know. And we talk about this a lot. We've talked to a lot of people.

We've talked to experiencers, people who quote unquote, do the research. in the field, which is insane really when you think about it. It comes down to perception. Like one of the things, how are you going to take it? How do you take it? If we're looking at it from a religious aspect, like a Christian, I'm a follower of Jesus Christ. This is how these are things, how I filter them in my view. Angels are terrifying beings, sure.

But they're also pretty hands off. So when you're telling me, people are getting snatched up and doing things, that's a pretty rare occurrence, right? It's a pretty rare occurrence. And we don't really get any descriptions of the other team. But, you know, we would imagine that they would be a lower caste or a lower dimension or a lower thing. But still, they're going to look horrible. Right. And they hate us.

I would say the demonic, say there is a demonic side. They would hate us. So the best thing they could do is imitate, impersonate. and corrupt us, right? Break us away, make us believe that we're not what we are, that we're not special, that we're not making God's image, that we're not individually created, and you carry a certain power into yourself. And that's something you got to figure out on your own.

Right. Now is, what's that? Go ahead. I'm sorry. Oh, I was just to say, so, you know, like every light in the sky, they're like, well, it's a ship. It's a could be, could not be. That starts getting Nephilim and the things that were happened with the 200 fallen watchers, right?

Like that's a different kind of thing, but it's kind of still the same thing. Yeah, it could be all of the above. It could be none. It could be physical nuts and bolts. That could be a thing. You know, you got Bob Lazar and other people that had said, or at least have said recently, that it was archaeological finds. Right?

And one of the things I find interesting is an older tape of Bob Lazar that Knapp was doing. It's a harder one to find, but Jeremy Corbell had released this particular. thing, which I thought was very interesting. And George Knapp was like, well, tell me about the religious and faith-based aspects. And immediately, Lazar cuts them off in the tape. It's like, I don't want to talk about that because that I don't know. I don't have any backing for that. Let's just talk about the science.

You know, it was a very Tucker Carlson-asked moment of what do you think is going on. I found out enough and I don't want to talk about it anymore. Well, you stole my question I was going to ask you because that's what I was going to say is whenever I think about these beings, being spiritual or demonic. To me, I feel like I, Nephlem comes to my mind all the time. And I knew nothing about Nephlem like a year ago because I've never been, you know, wanted to go to church or anything like that. I didn't know anything about that until I started learning it through the UAP community. And when I think about Nephlem now, I was like, wow, well, this is kind of like the people that are not people, spiritual beings that are evil. Yeah. I guess. Well, potentially, right? And I want to go

into this real quick, but the Bible basically describes, since we talked about the Bible, as far as demons go, right? They describe demons as fallen angels who rebelled against God or rebelled and were cast out of heaven and they were malevolent beings who oppose God and seek to harm humans. The Bible is not explicitly state that demons are fallen angels, but there are passages that suggest this connection. So, for example, Isaiah 14, 12 through 15 and Revelations 12 through 9 mentioned a third of the angels far from heaven, which some interpret as referring to demons. And also, according to Ephesians 612, demons are a part of the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms, and this suggests that they operate in the spiritual realm, but can also influence

events on earth. The Bible also describes demons as being able to possess people and cause them to do evil things. Matthew 828 through 34 says, or said that. So Jesus and his disciples are recorded as driving out demons from people who were possessed. That's Mark 1, 23 through 26. So the Bible teaches that demons are fallen angels who oppose God and seek to harm humans and that they operate in the spiritual realm, but can also influence events on Earth.

But do you guys think that's the same thing? To me, I think about the exorcist. Yeah. So I would, this is a far different topic. but it's a topic I'm a little versed in when you get into it like specifically stating that fallen angels are demons what we what we hear the Bible references like there are certain angels that are chained before behind like below the Euphrates right there are some angels that were so badass even though they fell they were bound yeah like Lucifer was allowed to walk free but

not these guys we're not we're not letting them off the leash um yeah so there's there's interesting things of that to take away. I've always personally held the belief that the demons were like the spirits of the Nephilim, right? Yeah. They were tainted, tainted souls of God. So it gets into the creation of what's the uniqueness of man. Again,

it's a deep thing briefly summering over it, my personal opinion is that us being created in the image of God allows us to create life in which souls can inhabit. Hmm. Right? Only God creates. Only we create. Truly create life.

Sintient life. And if you've ever held a baby and you've seen that spark. of life. It ain't no puppy. Yeah. You know, it ain't no gerbil. It is something wholly intelligent and capable with endless potential. It's an amazing thing. It's a gift that we have that angels weren't given. And so when the watchers and Enoch had fallen and they didn't fall, they came down, they laid with the daughters of men and they created this half, right?

Half divine worker, half touched of the grace of God, something in his image, it's something in between so it became the mighty men of old those were the ones of those bloodlines and part of the huge deal of the flood was to wipe them out wipe the creations the fallen out and all that jazz again it's a that's a much deeper thing to jump I'm trying to try to smooth swiftly over the time I'm listening and I want to ask one quick question about the nephalum I know the nephalum like you said came to earth and laid in the beds with the human women what so that was a nephalim nephalim what were created by the angels who laid with the fallen. Okay. So that is the nymphom. Okay. Well, not for they weren't fallen either.

Oh, they were. They were the watchers. Okay. The watchers. Yeah. I've heard that. Okay. So, so then the offspring of that was the nephalum. Yeah. Was the nephalum. They were an abomination that weren't supposed to be. Okay. Right. So when you think about that, though, in the Old Testament where they talk about in Canaanite, right, where they tell the Jews to go in and destroy every living thing. And canaanite, I know this is not a biblical episode, but we got to get to this because we're talking about aliens. And we're going to get to a lot of various points here. But if you think about the Old Testament, whether you believe the Bible or not, if you're listening, it doesn't matter. We're just talking about historical text here at the very least.

And if you listen to the Old Testament and, you know, in particular, Canaanite where there were giants that were living amongst the people. Like a Goliath. And I, yes. What were those things? Were those Nephilim, do you think? Or I think they were descendants of Nephlem. Okay. They carried the blood in them.

Okay. And that's what made them mighty men. I think that's why you see so many elite ruling classes really care about bloodlines. I would propose that some blood has some software that's still floating around in it that allows it to connect to something most people can't. Really? Or maybe in a greater way than other people can't. Are you talking about kind of like evil blood potentially? Well, I wouldn't call it evil.

Like, I mean, so that's the thing, too, like the, the Nephilim, like, did they do evil things? Were they driven mad? Yeah, but look who they had to guide them. I mean, yeah, they were abominations. They ate each other. They ate, man, they ate allegedly fall or angels. I mean, they were out of control. But the thing is, like, are you guilty just because you're the son of a horrible person?

Yeah. True. You know, like, again, it says the mighty men of old, leaders, kings. people who did great things and bad things. I mean, ultimately, it's our choices that define us. I got you. No, that makes a lot of sense. I want to get into this point as well.

We're talking about stuff that is very deep, right? And we'll get off a little bit of the really deep stuff. Even though there's probably a lot of people listening right now. I'm like, no, keep talking because I want to hear like everything there is to know about this. And we might get back into that on this episode. So just stay tuned. But we talked about experts earlier and UFOologists, right?

And we're talking about this. And I'm also thinking about demons. So never mind. That's a joke. That's a joke, guys. But what I am saying is, it's like this community, the UFO community has been infiltrated by people that supposedly all of a sudden are UFO experts. They are UFOologists. They are people that know for a fact what the deal is.

There's also people on the other side, keep in mind, that are supposedly the ones that know exactly what isn't going on. also known as the debunkers. Where is the freaking UFO community right now to you, Dave? Because we're talking about these experts, right? And we heard about experts during COVID. And how did that work out for people? It didn't work out very well, actually. Most of those experts were full of shit.

And do you think, number one, that anyone knows the answers and I already know the answer to us? But the main thing is, like, is there any such thing as experts in UFOology, period? it. No. No, not at all. Not at all.

I mean, there's people who have been around for a while, and that's great grand, but it doesn't mean that their contribution is substantial, right? Like, they are a historian of things they can neither prove nor deny, or they've been wholly duped at least a couple times. The problem is the credit that's given to them is very profound with some of these guys. You know, it's, it's to the point where, like, why are you, this guy, he was, yeah, he has excellent government credentials. He's a counterintelligence specialist.

What are you doing? True. What are you doing? He had, like, there's one gentleman, I'm not going to throw anyone's names out there. I'm not trying to do it. I'm about to. He had a, no, this was a YouTuber who had a channel. And he had a guy come in who's a, at that time, and it still is very big in the UFO slash government

reveal, you know, X-Files man, came into the restaurant the guy worked at while he was waiting tables and like Star struck up. Like he obviously worked this asset using his celebrity, using this guy's want to be famous. And suddenly started mainlining him all these major guests that nobody could get built this channel, blew it up. And then he kind of lost his mind for whatever reason. This, you know, whatever that speculation may or may not be. but it was right out of the X-Files.

Like anyone who hears the story is like, I had just happened to be in the restaurant with him. He doesn't even live in that state. It was on the other opposite end of the country. I think I actually know who you're talking about. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to. I'm not going to say,

Can you guys give me initials? No, we can't. No, I'll tell you who it is, but not. It's just, it's just not worth stirring it. I'm not trying to kick anyone while they're down. Right. I'm just putting a, for instance, out there. Like, these things happen regularly.

you know, I'm sure you guys have encountered it. You get a guest coming on and then all of a sudden these other guests and you're having conversations that you feel are almost being led by the other person. It's strange information. They're going out of their way to drop. Yeah. It's a curious thing. Absolutely.

Absolutely. No, there was one in particular. Oh, when you maybe think it's a plant or something? Yes. And we're not going to say names for sure. But we have definitely had a big, like a couple big time people that literally work for the government. work for the government right now in a very high position. And then even before we go on, he tells me this hour long stuff.

And we go on and I'm like, hey, damn, don't. Maybe don't mention your name, but he does and he don't care. And I'm just like, okay. It was very strange, right? And I was just sitting there thinking, I was like, how can you get away with that, right? I mean, how can you get away with that coming on the podcast saying whatever you want to kind of say? Yeah, and say your name. And have a very opinionated perspective on something.

and over such a huge topic. Yeah, well, not even topic, but just over such a huge, I will put it this way, group in the government. And that's very weird. Yeah, I mean, there are definitely things happen like that. And there's also people that have reached out that, you know, it's just like they want to come on. It's almost to maybe push a narrative one way or the other.

I don't know because, you know, the reality is people know that I think podcasts are not as censored, right? obviously as YouTube and some of these other platforms. And I think because of that, I also think the government is utilizing or at least trying to utilize these platforms to be able to push narratives. And if they can get in with some of these bigger podcasts, right, whether it's Joe Rogan, whether it's whoever,

and then just go down the line, they can create narratives of information to where most people believe when they're listening to podcasts is like, okay, this is real information. This is not mainstream media. And so if they can infiltrate those people, That's when narratives and agendas and thought processes can change where people think and believe, hey, this is what I'm really hearing. This is what's really going on.

And by the way, I'm not saying this us at all because if that's happened to us, we never knew it happened. There's been a couple things, though. I thought like, oh, there's something. Yeah, Chad would put us on mute and he's like, he's like Sherry. There's something that what is worse. Yeah. We were a much smaller over at Alien Addict. We're much smaller.

and we've definitely had. In fact, we are 99% sure we had a direct government operative try and play around with us. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. And we're just like, and it wasn't an American operative. That's the craziest. That's interesting. Well, we've actually.

Yeah. It's nuts, man. All right. Let's go down some names, experts. Jeremy Corbell. What do you think about Jeremy Corbel? Is he legit or a plant in your mind? I think he is a very good.

filmmaker. I think he'd be a fun guy to go hang out in the desert with. Yeah. I think he's an interesting character. I think, yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think he cares.

Yeah. I don't think he cares. Like, I don't know how. I mean, I don't think he cares what people think. Is that what you're saying? I think he's enjoying the right he's on. Yeah.

Right? Like he has all the doors open for him. They're all there. He has the right look. He has the right vernacular. he's kind of the desert hippie independent artso filmmaker guy and if you're a Hollywood dude he's the right guy to grab I don't think he's out there for um siop or anything no I think he's plugged in and he's doing what he's asked to do like any any I mean I would this is going to

sound crazy but I would say him and napper are the closest to actual journalists because when people ask them not to say something they don't say it right or wrong That's true. You know, they don't say it. That's true. All right. What about, what about Ross Caltart? Oh my God.

You are putting Dave, L. Dave on the spot. No, that guy's definitely, he's absolutely working for the government. He's doing a job. 100%. Well, we've already heard, well, we're about this what we're talking about. We're actually about to hear Ross Colthart in just a second. But Ross Colthart came on the scene, at least to us the past, what, eight months? I don't know.

I mean, he's something like that. He's blown up over the past six, eight months. And he's blown up on, it's like when they bring Ross on, you are to believe what Ross says, right? Because he is the expert of the experts is what, at least they make it appear. I mean, do you feel that same way? Well, let's hear what he has to say. We're about to. But Dave, do you feel the same way about that?

He has all the correct credentials. He has all the correct credentials to be believed the way he's, he's the guy that would be adjacent to people who would know things like that. And he has the background and clearances to show that he is of good character. But the thing is what those clearances really show isn't that he's a good character. It's that he'll do what he's told. Yeah. That makes sense.

You know, and there's obviously a missing human component in him. For sure. Like, yeah. So he, you know, he's doing what he's told. I mean, I don't think he's a bad guy. I think he's doing his job. Yeah. I think he's used himself as a patriot.

it. All right. Well, let's play this clip or quick. And we'll get on to some more very interesting topics because we're going to get in some deeper stuff in just a minute, not deeper stuff. I mean, we've been pretty deep ready. But nonetheless, this is Ross Colthart. He talks about evidence shows U.S.'s hiding knowledge of alien life. Now, I want you guys, when we listen to this, especially everything we've already talked about, right? Like, what are they trying to tell us? Like Dave said, how are they trying to tell us? What agenda or narrative are they trying to tell us? What agenda or narrative are they trying to push. What are they trying to make you believe?

And so that's why I asked you, Dave, what your thoughts were about Ross, because I wanted to see what your thoughts were. And then I want us to listen to the clip. And I want you to listen to Ross as he goes on yet again, News Nation. This was about eight days ago. Are you being sponsored? No, we're not. We're definitely not being sponsored.

But anyway, so here we go. Here is Ross Colthart on the evidence shows US's hiding knowledge. of alien life. All right, millions around the globe and maybe even beyond are celebrating World UFO Day. July 2nd is the anniversary of the 1947 crash

of an unidentified flying object in Roswell, New Mexico, which the Army later said was a scientific balloon. 75 years later, the government still says there's no evidence of non-human life, but that narrative has started to shift

since News Nation's bombshell interview with UFO whistleblower David Grush. When you say crash retrieval, what do you mean? These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles. You know, call it spacecraft, if you will, non-human, exotic origin, vehicles that have either landed or crashed. This jaw-dropping News Nation exclusive leading to congressional hearings

and a federal UFO program. A member of the intelligence community and a pioneer in getting to the truth is NewsNation. Special correspondent, Ross Colthard. Sir, I love when you are on the show because each time it kind of gets me chills, because part of me wants to know, the other part of me is like, I don't want to know, Ross. As someone who has spent decades investigating UAPs, how has the perception of UFOs changed over the last year,

specifically after David Brush's claims went public? Good morning, Nick. Well, I can tell you there's been a real drift in the public's skepticism about the government's claims on UFOs. A vast majority, nearly 66% of Americans, think the US government is concealing information about UFOs. And that's from a very recent poll. And I think there's good reason for that skepticism. I think even senators, senior people in the Defense Department and intelligence community are now saying quite openly that they believe there's a lot more to be revealed

by the U.S. Department of Defense, the intelligence community, and indeed by the White House about what the government really knows. And I don't think the public's buying it anymore. I think the public is basically ready for answers. And frankly, a lot of people are telling me they want this to be an election issue. They clearly wanted to be top of mind because you just mentioned that poll showing the 65% of Americans believe intelligent life exists beyond Earth. why are more people taking the conversation more seriously, Ross?

Is it because we're talking about it more, or is it because they have less faith and maybe political leaders always telling them the truth? I think, to be honest with you, I think Americans have every reason to be skeptical about their government. They've been lied to in the past as a pretext for going to war. And I do think that the evidence is increasingly suggesting that the American government is an incredible, as this may sound. it is concealing its knowledge of a non-human intelligence.

And as you know, I'm hearing this not just from David Grush, but from multiple sources who are allegedly working within what's called the Legacy Program, which is a secret program being operated by the US government involving the retrieval of non-human technology. And I have to say, yes, this particular day that we're celebrating, World UFO Day, It honors the memory of a day July 2nd, 1947, when the Roswell crash happened. But I think the interesting thing is there's been a lot more crashes since, and those recoveries, those retrievals of craft continue to this day. And as incredible as that may sound, there are now very authoritative people in the

defense and intelligence community saying that the government needs to come straight about this. that essentially it's not being honest with the American public. And I think if you look at the legislation that's been drafted by the Congress, demanding that the various arms of government disclose what they know about non-human intelligence technology, which is an incredible thing to be written in legislation, if Congress is prepared to write that, it means it knows something. It does. I can assure you it does.

It's important also to mention, though, even though you spoke with David Grush on the record, you had other sources telling you this information as well. So we will continue to follow this, Ross. Because you know we love this stuff. Ross Colthard, thank you so much, sir. Good to talk to you, Nate. So there we go. That was Ross Colthart talking about the U.S. government knows more than what they're telling you. They know more.

Does this also kind of sound, by the way, I don't know where Ross is from. Obviously, he don't sound like he's from the United States. But is this is this a battle of almost like probing, right? This goes back to Oppenheimer, right? This goes back to the invention, the creation of the atom bomb, right? Where it was a race to nuclear. And so if you watch Oppenheimer and you watch that just explosion of science all of a sudden out of nowhere.

And it was not just the United States. There was Russians also work on. on this as well. And you had this race. You had this race of not only technology, which I mean, you know, in this world, unfortunately, we look at it as a weapon, although the amount of things that we could harness from nuclear power in general is immense. Emits well beyond any weaponry capabilities.

We could power the entire United States and relieve people of their burden of power. if we actually use nuclear like it could be used, or if you even go back to Nikola Tesla and all of his inventions. But, I mean, is this kind of like a new Oppenheimer? Is this a new race to nuclear, but with UFO technology? And are all these reports, such as by Ross Colthard, is it a probing of the United States government to where other nations really want to know

what the United States government knows about UFOs? And potentially is that why the U.S. government is not releasing information on what they actually know about UFOs? It's a big question. I think that one of the interesting things to take away is even though they said a lot and they talked for a while, they didn't really say anything. There was no declarative statements made. True. And the biggest thing you could take away was that they said non-human intelligence. In the guise of non-human intelligence technology, that non-human intelligence could be here.

Yeah. Other than that, they were just flapping their gums. I actually got a minute ago when I was saying Patriot, I got Rush Colthart mixed up with David Grush. But Ross Colthard, again, I think he's absolutely part of the intelligence community. I think he's bought and paid for. I think he's why he was picked to do that. And again, he fits all the correct narratives that he's within these people. Or he could just be a tool being used, right?

Like he likes the fame. He's out there. It's his career. people are like he's losing his career over is he is he really the biggest thing is why would they be bringing it up now what is the purpose to to talk about it at this junction why now right like there he's talking specific and they're talking specifically about America I believe he's Australian so what do you care about America right well the question by the way by the way Dave the question to that what you just said

you know you know why are they talking about it now. I mean, are they talking about it now as a genuine, you know, well, here, here's the better question. Are there more sightings of UFOs now than ever before? Or is it something different? We don't know because the people who have that information aren't sharing it. The thing I'm talking about, it needs to be, you know, on the debate and for the election

and this and that. Why? Yeah. Why? I mean, it's like it's ground changing. It'll change the world. Will it? Will it?

Will if they come out tomorrow and say that demons walk among us and move around, they're transdimensional beings, these are the things that all our religions are based off. And they're not wholly wrong. Some are vested in us doing well. They want to pull for us. Some of us want to pull us down and get us to do heinous things to each other because they hate us. For something that we don't even really understand and we can only still explain a myth.

Like if we're trying to talk about transdomin, three-dimensional creatures from either higher or lower dimensions. It's still a thing of fairy tale, right? It's still going to be described to each other in terms of religion or some sort of mythos. It's going to be difficult for us to comprehend what's really going on. You said transdimensional. Oh, God. We are.

You know, we don't know how it identifies. We need to take it at its, you know, and we need to leave room. Are they in them? But I think that you're... They and them dimensions. Right. But I think you're... That's funny.

Sorry. But I think you're right. You know, why is it coming out now? You know, we go back to Bob Lazar. When Bob Lazar came out, everybody thought he was crazy. They took away his credentials because they didn't want him saying anything about what he saw. And, you know, they departinized everything. So nobody knew what the next person was doing.

It was so secretive then. And now it's like, I feel like it's trinkling out. and the government's allowing things to be trinkled out a little bit of time. But, you know, when we think about David Grush going, you know, above the hearings or whatever, we never saw any government figures besides him come out and say, we have these things. It came from him, but it was not an official government thing. No, because he said, you know, by the way, he was denied skiffs repeatedly after he went in front of Congress in the special select committee, you know.

But that doesn't mean anything either. What do you mean? What do you mean by that? Being denied a secure environment. That's what they're talking about. Yeah. Right. The SCIF is all it is,

all as it is is really a building that they are sure isn't being monitored or room that it's swept regularly and can't be monitored. And its electric grid is on its own separate system. So, you know, because one of the ways they can listen to you is through the electric sockets, believe it or not. Yeah. There's, so it's secure.

Sometimes it's in like shipping containers. And it's not just for, or information sometimes technology, sometimes research. Research labs will have these little set things that are off. Anyway, it doesn't matter. No matter what those Congress people would have heard in a skiff, they couldn't have talked about it anyway. So here's the thing.

If you truly had information that they're going to come to you and say, listen, God's, God is real. Angels and devilers are real. The Nephilim technology that when the angels fell, they taught man and helped them build a whole civilization, 150,000 years ago that God intervened with his army of angels, wiped them all out, well, mostly, some escaped in the technology. They buried the rest under mud, change the layouts of the continents and oceans. And then their empire capital, which was Antarctica, was then frozen over with miles of ice.

Right? It made so inaccessible that we couldn't get there. But by the rules of creation or however that plays, couldn't be taken away because we'd already been contaminated. If they had told Congress that, Congress still couldn't tell you because anything you learn in a skiff, you can't say. Right. So the thing is, he could have got a skiff. They could have debrief Congress and whoever wanted to know, but then they couldn't even tell you that happened. They can't tell people.

Yeah, so what's the point of the skiff? Nothing. It's a grand show to get people talking about a new buzzword to get them distracted. Yeah, and they're obviously getting people to talk about UAPs and non-biologics. They want people to talk about it now, whereas in the 1970s, you are crazy if you've even believed in it. Yeah. And by the way, that goes back to, and I, and I wish he's a friend of ours, but it goes back to a little bit. We got to, I just have to touch on this for a second.

It goes at the very least back to the topic of, right, that the United States government is hiding highly advanced technology, right? And if they are hiding this, though, number one, obviously there's a question. question where they get it from and how they get the technology and that's fine and you can go down this rabbit hole but you know and you think about the imagery 70 thing you think about how there's so much right and and there's even videos that Jeremy Corbell himself has released that look more like you know US technology that is literally blinking in the sky you know the video I'm talking about what was the the Nimitz video was it was the Nimitz correct that they were viewing it through night vision night vision

And they were recording it through night vision. Yeah. And these things are triangles. The object. Yeah. And they were triangles and they were blinking, right? And it's like, does UFOs have the same, you know, FAA regulations or whatever?

I mean, are they connected to FAA to where they have, they have to have a certain blinking light structure on their crafts? But Dave, how much of this do you think, I mean, what we're seeing in the skies? I mean, be honest with me,

if someone had a gun to your head right now and they said, said, how much of what we're seeing in the sky is U.S. government tech versus either interdimensional or alien technology? From within. Yeah, would you, or wherever. Or wherever, yeah. Would you err more on the side of non-human things? I would think a lot of the things we see in the sky are human things.

Okay. A lot. I do believe that I do believe our technology is unbelievably advanced. I mean, that's a fact. The government has technology. they don't talk about. And this is the simplest thing. Have you heard of the large underwater drone that DARPA and the Navy had been working on?

I saw that. Yeah, it can power itself with the different temperatures and water indefinitely. It's totally autonomous. We don't even know the kind of weapons package this thing carries. It can sit on the bottom of the ocean for months at a time. Go up and as it channels, as it goes through the different changing temperatures of water, is then charging itself. It has a battery and system that,

is top secret. So it's energy collection method, which sounds like you could really revolutionize everything, right? Yeah. Could. Unbelievably secret. We have no idea what this does. We have no idea.

There's so, like when the army just went out with their new night vision with thermal overlay on the night vision, it's all digital and does outlines of people, weaponry, it's fully integrated. That came out as one complete piece. Where's that?

the development. And people are like, the government can't keep secrets. Did anybody hear about the underwater drone? That's, by the way, 100 feet wide, 150 feet long. Yeah. And by the way, was that drone you're talking about? That was the one that someone actually also captured on Google Earth, right? I don't know that they captured an Earth, but I know it's a, it looks like a giant

manor ray. Yeah. Yeah. It's the good Earth image. Someone actually captured that device or sorry, that, that vehicle, I guess you can say, underwater vehicle. They captured it on Google Earth. in a dock somewhere by the way i think it was off the coast of california so in other words if

they didn't capture it they probably would have never even said anything about it we would not even know the size of it or what it's capable of doing well where did you hear about it dave first what's that where did you hear about the underwater drone first oh it's a news article friend it's at me okay he's like hey look at this and because whenever i see something like that the fact that they're willing to talk about it means they're two generations ahead yeah they're generations ahead. They're, the amount of money.

So I, full disclosure, I live near a government lab. I have friends that work out there. I have friends that are on the science side. I have friends with Q clearances and crypto clearances and things they will say, won't say. And sometimes not saying anything at all is kind of an omission all in itself, right? Friends that work for compartmentalized departments with that through these other engineering agencies based out of who knows where.

but the name on the building is Lockheed Martin. You know what I mean? It's the way they hide things, the way they do things is unbelievable. Though technology they're working on, the things they're playing around with. What was it? The Oak Ridge Labs made a public statement. And then they kind of got winded with it. And I think it was a scientist who really wanted to be like a star, like a publicity star,

which starts like, yeah, we're ripping holes in other dimensions here. and the public backlash was like, you're doing what? Yeah. People live around here, man. What are you doing? And they're like, oh, I mean, tiny ones and the project's over. And that woman, I know people who know her or who did know her in like the periphery. She's removed from the project.

She's sent out to Los Alamos to waste a way out there. Dave, let me ask you, though. You as a Christian, right? And I believe you said earlier that you're a Jesus believer. 100%. do you but do you think that i mean i think about that this way right do you think the things we're seeing do you think that the government wants you as a christian to more more so believe that everything we're seeing in the skies is probably just advanced technology the government has that

you don't know about for a reason it's almost like reverse psychology because you know if you go back to the but the the the bible talks about towards the end times you will see signs from the heavens. Correct. And also in the Bible, it talks about how heaven and heavens are multiple heavens. A lot of people speculate. But at the very least, we can at least understand that the Bible talks about heavens as, I guess, space or the sky, right?

And so when the Bible talks about, you will see signs from the heavens towards the end. Yeah. Do you think that the concept of people saying in, in, this whole phenomenon, which is, hey, we're seeing this advanced technology, these things that we don't and can't explain. Do you think that's more of like almost like a reverse sciop to make people kind of go back to the point of like, well, it's probably just U.S. government tech. It's nothing to worry about us.

There's no advanced form of life because if people believe there is an advanced form of intelligence or life or that's even possible, it kind of, you know, it kind of, goes back to the point of like why so many people have such a problem believing in God because they've always said if I if I can't see God then I can't believe in that right if I can't see something of that magnitude of that just inescapable reality of something that we just don't even understand or comprehend do you think it's kind of like a reverse psychology thing does that make sense what I'm asking I understand what you're asking I don't know that it would be termed is reverse psychology.

I think it is in place to create doubt. I think, and it's not that they're doing it intentionally to create doubt. They're obviously testing craft, right? They're testing craft. They're doing something. There's odds are there's something else here doing it as well. Like it isn't a zero-sum thing. This is an open system.

It's not closed. All of these things could be possible. Nephilim could still be existing in advanced technology under the oceans or in Antarctica or in the North Pole places we can't access easily. Really, they could just be between us and the moon and we wouldn't be able to get there. Right. Yeah, that's true. Well, according to Bart, old Bart.

Well, and I agree with the old Bart. I don't think we couldn't get to the moon. But, okay, this is my stance, you know, and I'm not a UFO expert or anything, but I feel like I'm more of an expert than a lot of other people that are out there. But, you know, we think about in the 1970s, especially when Bob Lazar was out there, 80s, 80s, yeah. Yeah. When, you know, all that stuff came out and all the UFO stuff came out and people had the movies with the radiation, you know, when the UFO comes down and it gave them sunburns and all that stuff.

I feel like a lot of times movies portray things that actually happen. You think about like interstellar, for example, they get that based on some kind of scientific investigation, scientific something. But to me, it's like, you know, it was so against the norm. If you believed in UFOs, you were crazy for the longest time. And now lately, in the last couple of years, especially post-COVID, it's okay to believe in UFOs and you're not crazy anymore. Yeah. You know, it's a different ride that we're going on.

And to me, you know, I've seen many things in the sky that don't belong there, things that are whipping around and doing circles and breaking from one to three or one to three. or one to five or forming triangles. I've seen all kinds of stuff in the sky. And by the way, we've not seen that often, often. We've seen it like a few times. Yeah, but I've seen enough to believe it and I've seen it there. So it's either all of the above to me.

I think it's all of the above is what I'm saying. I think that the government has a technology to do the reverse engineering of some kind of crafts they found. So that is our, you know, our stuff. But I also think there's other technologies that don't belong to us that are in our skies and they're watching us. It has to be. Yeah, I mean, could even the drone, right? The underwater drone be the best representation of reverse engineering we have.

Or the craft even going from sky to water like it's nothing. Yeah, but I don't even think that we have that technology. No. Personally. Because, I mean, to me, I don't think we do. I mean, I could be wrong. But it goes back to the question, too. too, Sherry, it's like, why does some people connect and see UFOs and other things and others do not, right?

Yeah, and why do we see these things? And what are they? And, you know, for that same point, we've actually recorded orbs around us. So I see things in the sky that are orbs or whatever. I don't know how big they are in the sky, but then we record things around our bodies that are tiny. We have. We have. What the heck is that? Yeah. And so that leads me to the next. I guess theory or question. Chris Blutso, Dave. Do you believe Chris Blutzo's account of all the things that he has experienced and witnessed in his life? I mean, obviously, I'm sure you know about Chris Pletso, but what do you think about him? Yeah. So Chris Blitzow.

I don't know him. I don't know him personally. I have some viewpoints on the white lady. that are kind of outside of the realm of this UFO topic. He doesn't live too terribly far from me. I've reached out to him a couple times. I haven't been able to make contact. Over at Alien Attic, we have a friend that was.

She was able to make contact. She actually got to go out and watch and look for lights in the sky with him. And she had tried to help connect us. He is not interested in connecting with us. Not at all. Or at least he hadn't seemed to be. Yeah. We're not getting through for some reason.

I mean, she got through pretty easily, but, you know, she's not, I'm not going to say who she is because she's not active anymore. Yeah. She had some things and experiences happen that she got out of this topic as happens to a lot of people. You know, one thing people don't know, I don't know. I'm sure you guys have experienced it. Something about just talking about this type of topic attracts a certain.

It does. Woo-woo. Yes, it does. Yeah. Yeah, so it got her out. Yeah, I think the woo-hoo detracted me first and then I started seeing you. Maybe it's actually, mine was opposite. Yeah.

But Chris Bletsow obviously has a huge storyline experience of seeing the lady. But does he? Well, that's what he says, right? Yeah, I mean, that's, have you read his book or listen to his talks? I have not read his book. I have listened to his talks, right? I have definitely listened to his talks. I've listened to the Danny Jones episode.

Yep. Which, by the way, Ashton also went on. And, you know, Danny Jones hated Ashton, it seemed like. I used to lie. I used to think Danny Jones was a really up-and-coming podcast. And then he did the one with Ashton. I was like, this is a joke. Yeah.

This is, what are you doing, man? Yeah. So what? But so Chris Bletso talks about the white lady, right? Yeah. Yeah. White lady gave him a message that's going to change the whole world. And his job is to give the message.

What's the message? Yeah. Nobody knows. He doesn't tell anyone. He wrote a whole book about it, or he had someone write the book for him. Nobody knows. He gets invited to Bilderberg, the people he's hanging out with and transvert. Like, the circles he moves in are pretty questionable. But you see that alike with the white lady phenomenon. If I had to postulate, I think I could make a couple of predictions about him that if we were able to talk to him would be true that I won't do here. and it would lead to, I think, a disturbing revelation that the people who are around him already know. I think that maybe he doesn't know. I, yeah, see that, you're on the cusp of in-between, right?

Yeah. Heaven and hell, gods and demons, things like that. I would say if you want to see an alien or an interdimensional, go on a really haunted hospital. You'll see the shadow people move around the quarter. What are those? I'd propose those are interdimensional things. Okay. I got to talk to you about that.

I got to talk to you about Dave. So we talk about UFOs. Let's talk about paranormal. And by the way, Dave and I and Cherry, we've talked about this. Usually we talk about this after podcast episodes for some reason. And we always talk about this and we say, hey, what is going to be our YouTube experience? Like, what are we going to video or try to video and portray to people on YouTube? Like, what are we going to go do?

But before you go there, I think. think what Dave was saying is they're they're intertwined it could be i yeah i don't differentiate that's the thing is there's the paranormal world and there's the UFO world then there's a cryptid world what if there's not you know like a jellyfish a whale a dolphin and like a tuna are all in the ocean they are vastly different creatures but they're aquatic that's how i view all this stuff it's all in the ocean i think they're right they could be different things but they're in the Yeah, and they're all somehow related to each other. By the way, would you compare, like, how we are different in race and cultures and religions similarly, maybe, or no?

Yeah, we're all in the land. We all breathe air, right? Yeah. Well, and when I first started figuring out in my own mind that UIPs and ghost, spirits, those kind of things are interrelated is when actually we're watching Skin Rock or Ranch. Yeah. Yeah. I had a I was having a you familiar with David Polites yeah yeah okay so he and I were messaging for a while before I long before I ever got into doing podcasts with the guys or for a long time I was I wasn't

even interested in any of this I'm still honestly not I have a very good life I'm a very blessed guy I kind of do this for fun and giggles and I mostly found that I can meet people and I'm sort of doing my own little search for something I'm looking for. Yeah. And this allows me to do that. It allows me people access to people like you, many others, people that I wouldn't normally get to talk to so that I can find out who they know. And then, you know, it, it expands my search beyond just going and buying a bunch of

VIP tickets for meet and greets and things like that. And that's what I was doing before. And so anyway, I was messaging with David Pilates and we were talking about his book. And he had said something that I had heard. heard he or he messaged something that I had heard him reference because he's a Mufon member. He used to be a Mufon member in California. I think he was like a star director or something like that.

And he was doing a talk on it telling people to like before you read his books, go read Skinwalker Ranch, then read his books. And that's how I read Skin Walker Ranch. And through conversations with him is when and in course reading his book, reading Skin Walker Ranch, I've read all of those. I started to piece things together in my own mind that all these things are they're not separate. They're all connected. Right.

Correct. No, I agree. I 100% agree with that. And going back to that, I mean, are we hiding UFOs? And we're about to get to another clip and we're going to wrap this up before too long. But are we hiding UFOs because of the spiritual connection, right? We've heard Tucker Carlson talk about this. We've heard a little bit of what David Grushes,

potentially said as well. Are we hiding this because of the spiritual connection? I mean, I don't, I mean, you could obviously say we're hiding this. Maybe because, hey, we have advanced technology. This is our technology we're seeing. And we want to hide this from the world. Foreign adversaries or whatever. But it seems like to me, I've always said this.

I'm like, you know, the U.S. government loves and not just U.S. government, but all governments love to boast their latest and greatest technology, right? They love to. And I still go back and I've always, the only thing I've ever debated with Ashton Forbes about the MS-370 thing is that if, in my opinion, we had that technology where you had orbs that were circulating or I guess circling the airplane that could allow this thing to disappear, to morph into another realm, in my opinion, if any government has that technology, there would be no wars anymore.

there would be a one dominant power over the entire world. There has been people that push back against me when I say that. Ashton has pushed back against me when I said that. We've had a couple other guests that have also similarly said the same thing. But I say, look, man, if a government has that technology, you would rule the world. Yeah, you would want to be the superpower of the world. Well, if we had it, we would use it because the last dominant technology we had, we used. We've demonstrated that we will use it.

Yes. Correct. Yeah. And then everyone else got quiet. You know what I mean? Right. It's definitely. And so one of the things you're talking about, like, is it a spiritual connection?

Is it this or that? I would propose this that what if the craft, I'm not saying they don't have physical craft. The question we need to ask is where did the physical craft come from? Is it truly from Rosator reticular 12? Or is it from an older civilization that was much more advanced? and they did things a different way. There's similar construction methods and megalithic building around the world

and these ancient civilizations, the stories, you know, from the Peruvian cloud people to those, the star people from Mesopotamia, to, you know, the Sky Brothers and Native American more like, their similarities.

Well, even the pyramids, I think, point to something in the space. Something. Yeah, that something was here before. Something unbelievably advanced and intelligent was going on. the composite or sorry the makeup of the amazonian rainforest how many fruit bearing and nut bearing trees that it is far too many than it should be and a lot of things like that that it was more

of a garden than anything else and now it's not it raises tremendous questions like maybe they do have physical ships maybe they have found some kind of technology but it doesn't mean that the other component the spiritual site isn't there it's not an either or They can be both. But by the way, Dave, but Dave, but sorry, Dave, what you're saying, though, is that, you know, we, our bodies are a physical structure. And yet we have a spirit, right? Is that kind of what you're saying? Well, you, you are a soul.

You have a body. Yes. You are energy. Like, your, your neural connections, the firing, the things that we can hook up things and see, that's what you are. Energy is eternal. Yeah. You are eternal. We know that by the definition of our physics.

you will exist forever. Energy exists forever. But we are the carriers of that energy in a physical form, right? This is our mex suit. This is our biological encounter, unbelievably advanced, cool, or maybe not cool. It just depends. I mean, our souls can go into other dimensions and do other things. You know, our bodies are encompassing this amazing thing that's inside there.

Yeah. that we cannot see. It's kind of like you can't see God. You can't see your soul, but you know it's there. It's the same thing. And I think you're right. I think there's so much of it that is all of the above. I think there are physical things we have seen and we have found and we have been able to use reverse engineering to come up with that technology.

But I also think there's some other kind of something that's spiritual that is more interdimensional that we're seeing as well. So I think you're right. It's all of the above. Yeah, it's, you know, speaking to that, like made the image of God type thing before we move on, it's two pieces of someone comes together and sparks this energy, this fireworks on a cellular level, subcellular level of just energy and combining and growth in this miracle of life that is so beautiful and creates a consciousness, a unique consciousness. out of the billions and billions of people that we at least think have existed,

potentially trillions, we don't know how long people have been here, what's been going on. Each one is different. Each one is unique. And the pairing of two people can do that. That is creation. I think that's why demons and the fallen hate us so much.

I think that's why the angels bowed down and why God made us like him. That's so weird. Oh, God, that makes so much sense to me. And that's why God sent his son in a human form. Correct. Yeah. Wow. I'm just having a revelation right now.

Now, but listen, also at the same time, you know, you think about this too. Have you ever, Dave, like, you know, been in bed and just been like, why am I me? Like, how am I seeing what I'm seeing? And yet the person next to me, Sherry, is not me. They're not seeing what I'm seeing. They're not feeling what I'm feeling. I am me. like my energy my spirit my everything is me it is not the next person next to me it is not

whatever their physical thing is going to happen that's going to happen but also their feelings their thoughts their emotions are completely different they are there we are a vessel for different spirits um different energy you're a miracle you're a walking miracle yeah uniqueness, an individual of creation, of a creative power. Nothing else in the kingdom has that. Nothing else on this planet but human. You know, the arts, the love, creation, the feelings, rage. These things that we possess are so us.

People are like, well, you know, animals, this, yeah, okay, whatever. But it's not like us. They're not painting the Sistine's Chapel. They're not right in poetry. You know, they're not an awe and captivated like when I saw my wife for the first time or I said, I held my children, you know, and they open their eyes like that, that spark of this is a conscious being that will speak and create and follow and communicate at a level that nothing else does, nothing else can't. And there's a weirdness to it that it's all the other somewhat intelligent creatures seem to respect and understand whether that. that's an ape or a dolphin or even pigs who are highly intelligent, you know, dolphins come to people for help.

You know what I mean? Like there's something in this world that they fundamentally get. And by the way, you know, there's something above us too. Correct. There's something that is far more advanced than we are. Well, if I can just harness that soul in me to like say, Sherry, you're going to lose 50 pounds and I do it. I'm going to be amazed. You're, you're, oh my goodness.

Holy shit. Well, anyways, that's that we're talking about. But it would be nice. That's funny, though. It was very funny. Listen, I want to get to one last clip. This is Harvard professor that wants to see Roswell data. Dr. Avi Loeb says the data from Roswell could change how we see life.

I want to play this last clip. We'll get to this. Here you go. Let's talk about Roswell. You say that data from Roswell could literally change our place. in the universe, but that you want to see this data. What exactly would you be looking for? Well, we have conflicting reports from government, as you mentioned. On the one hand, we had a testimony at the U.S. Congress under oath by David Grasch, who says there are programs for retrieval

and reverse engineering of extraterrestrial craft in crash sites. On the other hand, you have the former director of the Old Domain Anomily Resolution Office. in the Pentagon, saying that they had access to all the information, and there is nothing there other than things that they can understand as human made. And the question is, who is telling us the full story? We can wait for the government to tell us the full information it has. We might wait forever for that. Instead, we know that the sky is not classified, the oceans are not classified, so we could

retrieve new information ourselves. And that's my interest these days. There we go. That's what Avi Love had to say. Roswell could change the way we think about life. What do you think about Roswell, by the way? This is going to be our last kind of part of this. What do you think about Roswell, Dave?

And going back to, we talk about advanced tech. We talk about U.S. government hiding technology that they do not want the government or sorry, the world to see. What do you think about the crash retriever programs dating back to 1930s and even potentially before, but also the pictographs and all the stuff that ancient civilizations or at the very least, the early civilizations of our civilization I've seen. What do you take from that as far as I still go with the technology like nuts and bolts as isn't

mutually exclusive from the rest? I think that it does exist. I think something did crash. I think the interesting thing about Roswell is I think, we think, we're. what launched the crash retrieval, their security apparatus to keep things separate. Yeah. Because what they realized in developing the nuclear bomb

at the end of World War II and things that were going on, that the compartmentalization, the security measures they'd put in place, despite whatever the Oppaheimovir movie tries to tell you, that apparatus is brilliant and it's only gotten stronger. I think if you're looking for hard technology, you need to look to American national labs. That technology will be broken up and compartmentalized,

and little bitty pieces having different whole research groups look into it. And it'll be under the veil of the Department of Energy. Because they're the only ones who can tell anyone in the world to buzz off that they have no grounds here. They already have the Department of Energy has their own highly, highly trained federal troops, federal officers who move allegedly nuclear materials around. But they have no idea what they're moving. No one knows what they're moving. they don't know what they're moving and they're one of the only branches that can move with armed drones in the sky their vehicles are equipped that if they all die their vehicles will see and this is from a long time ago

the vehicles can defend themselves and continue on mission i agree you know if someone tries to pull them over they that cop comes out with his gun out that'll be the last thing he ever does and allegedly those instances have happened because they don't know who that guy is or if he's trying to hijack him and if they think they're moving nuclear material you know whatever but if you need a crash retreat evil system, you already had an apparatus built to take care of it. You just move it under the nuclear wing because this is the thing. People always say, you know, they have it at the science labs and they're looking at it. Well, Area 51 is in a lab, right?

Even S4, as you heard him talk about it's not a lab that they're keeping or housing ships there. Right. The labs are the national labs. That's where you're going to sing components under Arm Guard, under the cover of Department of Energy under nuclear or radiological, which it could be, who knows, to these labs to have the smartest people look at it. And I know for a fact, many of these labs, they learn something, another thing that's valuable that I think people overlook from the Manhattan Project is that they were recruiting full-on

physicists. Oh, yeah. Like smart minds who were published in PhDs. The problem is that ego is already developed. Yeah. They want to publish, they want to do. What you do is you get them while they're in grad school. You have certain universities you filter through.

You look for the bright minds. You intercept them there. Hey, come work on the next cutting edge thing with us. You don't need a PhD. You don't need a master. I'm going to give you $450,000 a year. You're going to come work for us. You bring your family.

We'll get you through the clearances. You're going to work on the next level stuff. Don't worry about your credentials. You're going to be one of the end. And don't worry about your political stance either. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's and the other thing is like if you've ever met any of these scientists, which I have, they are the full.

description of an old, there's an old engineering joke, old but funny. How do you tell an introvert engineer from an extrovert engineer? The extrovert is looking at your shoes. That's who these guys are. They're super nerds. They love solving problems. They don't care what the problem is. They don't ask a lot of questions.

They're unbelievably easy to intimidate. You know, there's so many Madonna's in the world of the physics world, but those guys aren't working on anything cutting edge. They're smart enough. They like to talk. That's fine. The truly intelligent ones. get snapped up quick.

Oh, absolutely. I have a friend in engineering. They approached him when he was getting his master's. And he went to work for them. And that's what he did for 25 years now. He's been doing it. Wow. We actually had him on the Alien addict show.

Oh, that's, well, we need to have them too. But I wanted to ask you a question in, you know, in the response to what you just said, how much of this technology do you think we're using in the medical field, for example? Because in my opinion, you don't think any? Nope. Really? You don't think like any of the laser surgeries or anything has come from reverse engineering at all. I think you have externalities in the medical field that come.

But if you're looking at propulsion technology next level, you have to be careful of how much you go out. And the reality is so much of our medical industry is funded through profit, not curing. Yeah. If it did make a huge leap in advancement, they wouldn't let it go. Are you familiar with the ECB 46? No. I've heard of it. So, okay.

Australia was doing grads, various universities in Australia were researching solid state cancers that like metastasized and they were killing people. And so they were doing these animal tests. And they found an extract from the blushwood tree. You can call this up. It's called ECB, I believe it's 46, 45, I believe it's 46. It's from the blushwood tree, cancer treatment from the blushwood tree. They found this enzyme that they were able to extract from the tree, like from the fruit of the tree. 100% cure rate.

They did a double-blind study with humans, and within two weeks, everyone that had received ECB-46 was cancer-free. So they ended the study and gave the other people for blush for ECB-4-E-B-46 injections. It was hailed as this new thing. I think it was Pfizer, I want to say. Maybe Johnson and Johnson came in,

gave Australia billions of dollars for their university, and to the government. And then exporting blushwood trees became a felony. All the research went to the pharmaceutical companies. And it was never heard from again. Yeah, what a joke. There is no money in cures. No, there's not.

I mean, there's zero money in cures. But what about surgeries? Like with the lasers technology. Yeah, but even laser technology, that's not that advanced. The reality is the lasers they use for surgeries aren't crazy advanced. Yeah. Okay. No, that's not.

But to his point, though, I mean, yes, if, if, if, you have some type of reverse engineer and what is the what is the book we read the day after roswell the day after roswell is a great book i encourage everyone to go read it it was from a general that was over the what was he air force base or i can't even remember what his name was now but any either way um he talks about that he was on the roswell incident he was there and you know this is the anniversary of the roswell incident and and and And kind of what he came into in the government where he got put into a very compartmentalized position.

He was almost like a David Grush, but a lot further on. You know, he had more more access to information. He had more access to what they actually found. He had access to a lot of stuff. And he's dead now. I don't know if the government killed him or he just died of natural causes. But regardless of the fact, you know, we talked about a lot of. of the technology that we actually gathered from Roswell was technology that could have saved us

in many ways. I mean, we're talking about a lot of things that could have saved humanity from cancers, from all these various diseases. And we did not, you know. Use that technology. Well, absolutely. We did not distribute that because, I mean, it's very similarly. I mean, if you think about even iPhones or or, or, or, or enjoys or your phone or

computers or whatever the case is, if they get. you a computer that lasted forever, they no longer make money. Yeah, exactly. That's just the system. But if we gave you one episode on the podcast, right? To where it's, that's just it. That's the one episode. But it explains everything.

To L Dave's point, I think he's talking about more of the, um, using gravity fields to propel instead of exhaustion. Well, of course. Is that a more than a propulsion or exhaust whatever? No, no, listen. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, you do. I'm talking about using gravity fields versus engines.

Yeah, I get that. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. So general propulsion versus gravity fields, right? And we've talked about it in the episode many times. But I want to get it back in briefly. And we're going to wrap this up. But I want to get back in briefly.

I want everyone to understand. And this is something I've said on other podcasts is where I have been more confused spiritually. than I've ever been in my life, like the past two or three years. And I want to say that maybe, I don't know, I mean,

that's at least the way I feel deep down inside, right? And I don't want to get too far off topic, but I think this is actually on topic. You know, I went through a stage where you grew up a Christian, right? You are born into a Christian household, even though it was a not good childhood.

But my mom was always one of those people that were like, hey, you know what? Because your childhood is, screwed up. I want to take you to church. I want to take you to church because maybe church will save your future or your mind or your soul, right? And so we would go to church. And then after church, when I was, when I was finally 18 or 19, I was like, screw church. I don't want, I don't want anything to do with this, man. Like, this is ridiculous. And it almost reminded me of like a, of the reason I was in church

was because an escape. And it wasn't until, I guess, the podcast where we started. really digging about the spiritual nature of things and the UFO thing. And, you know, I look at the UFO community right now, and that's why I ask you about Jeremy Corbell and David Grush and all these people. And I look at the UFO community right now and they're utilizing it for monetary gain in a lot of aspects or popularity or whatever the case may be. But the one thing the UFO topic has done for me, at least, was brought me back to God. And I want people to understand this because there's going to be people out there

and are like, you're crazy. What the hell are you even talking about? And so it's oftentimes hard for me to explain what my thought process is on UFOs and UAPs. But also knowing that I grew up in church and kind of really knew the Bible extensively. I knew it from evangelists. My mom used to make me watch and all this stuff to where I had no choice almost to know what the Bible says. And then so you, you hear all those things. And a lot of things back then, it was like fear tactics almost to make you be Christian. And that's what I think drove me

away from Christianity. Oh, meaning like if you don't believe in Jesus, you're going to hell. Exactly. John 316. Yeah, or whatever. I mean, there's so many things. But then as I became an adult, I basically rebelled. Right. I rebelled against any spiritual things at all. And And so then my mission became, I am not going to ever, I'm not ever going to believe in anything again until I can have the most, I guess, the most basic proof in my mind of what maybe what I'm trying to believe is, right? And so when the UFO and UIP phenomenon came, come around, one of my biggest hangouts with Christianity or the Bible or God was if I can't see him, I can't understand this. someone's just telling me to believe this. I can't conceptualize. I can't make this reality for me.

So I'm not going to believe it. And so I hope, by the way, this UFO topic, I hope that what I think this thing might actually be is real. What I think the UFO thing might actually be is that many verses in the Bible talk about in the end times, you're going to see signs from the heavens. I don't know what these things mean. The Bible doesn't necessarily explain that. But what I think you're talking about is faith here.

You're talking about believing in something that's not here. No. That's what faith is. No, faith is, yeah, if I could. Faith is actually in Hebrews 11-1. It's the evidence of things hope for it's the substance of things hope for and the evidence of things not yet seen. That's what it goes for. And what you're talking about is like a road to Damascus type thing.

Like you've believed and you've continued and held it. of faith because that's what you were told you were supposed to do much like Saul, right? He held onto this mission because he believed that's what he was to do. And that's what I mean, it's a little more deep than that. But on the surface, that's what his whole thing was. I mean, he held the coats, the stoning of Stephen, right? When Jesus stood at the right hand of God, as Stephen was as stoned by the Pharisees, Saul was there before he was Paul.

And he held the coats and watched. And he was so moved by that, by, you know, the convictions of his elders who were really just enraged that someone would dare to speak against him, he went off what he knew. So your life has been dictated of what you know, or not know, but been told that you should know. And now you're on an active search to find out what you believe. That's that path. And that's, that's fucking awesome, man. I'm happy for you.

Very few people get to walk that path. Most people just settle in with what they've been told and what they should accept and they go with it. To actually question and ask for yourself is a divine thing. because then when you find it, you'll be radicalized by it, much as Saul became Paul. Yeah. And it's a wonderful path.

And I'm happy for you, brother. Like, that's fantastic. Continue on that journey. I'm trying. Just if I were you, I would stop before I get to the whole Garden of Gassemi type moment. No.

Dude, nobody wants that. No. I mean, I'm a faith that I'm there, but I got to be honest, if there's a moment I can avoid, that one would be great.

So the opposites happen to me. I have felt like I am more spiritual in my soul and in my belief of God as ever. But I feel religion is a faulthood almost. Contacts or a, you know, you got to believe this book. Where did this book come from? You know, all of that, I don't know. You know, but I never, I never grew up in a very religious household either. You know, I grew up Jewish and Christian.

We celebrated all the holidays. we had fun with the holidays. Which, by the way, is Sherry's biggest, her biggest battle in her life is between Judaism and Christianity. Yeah, and it's so hard. It's like I have to choose. And I think we've talked about this all day before. I feel like I have to choose between one religion or another.

And I don't want to do that. I know I am definitely spiritual. And I believe God lives inside my soul. I know that for a fact. But for me to have to choose a religion, I just can't do it. Yeah, it's tough. Well, there's an argument that we should never have actually stopped celebrating all the Hebrew holidays. Full disclosure, I mean, I was ordained when I was a much younger man.

I went to Oro Roberts University. And that university and that education was the thing that almost cost me in my faith. When I saw behind the big churches and how it worked and as many churches and big organizations as I've been involved with, it is sickening and maddening. And that there is no mercy, there's no grace, there's no love. it's about dollars. How quickly can we get them? It's a financial sheet. How many people do we have?

How much can we get from the average person? How many seats can we turn in a day? It's a song and a dance made by a guy who does not give a shit about you. He cares about your wallet. He wants you to pay. He wants you to leave. I agree. It is disturbing and it's a far cry from what it should be.

But and ultimately, for me and my take on, Jesus, he was out with the people. You know, he was out with the people. He was out with horrors and the tax collectors. And the people who had issues, he went to them. Like, that's where the church is. He had disdain for the Pharisees. And he went into the temple flipping tables and whipping people's asses.

So, and that's what our modern churches have become, you know, havens, havens once again for money changers. You want to pay your ties. Here's the credit card machine. Right. And when you go to church, you feel like, oh, I don't have a name brand dress on. People are talking about me behind my back. Yeah, nobody's there to help you.

This was the kind of things I experienced when I went to Baptist churches. It was all clicky. It was all stuff that may be not feel accepted or loved. And it didn't feel like God was there for me at these churches. And if you think about it, the sadness is you felt that way because those people didn't feel accepted and loved things. They didn't know how to do that. If anything, that you're better off and to pity them for their lack of empathy, compassion, and a Christ-like state, that hollowness that they must feel to project

that on someone new coming to the altar of God. How woe unto them, woe unto them on Judgment Day. Yeah. And Dave, I want to say this. And as I was saying, I don't want to make it's biblical, but I mean, you know, it's impossible. I think we're there. No, we are there.

We are there. And listen, and guys, listen, out there if you're listening and you're not biblical, you're not whatever. I mean, by the way, we're not either. We don't read the Bible. We don't have to church. We're talking to a guy that's been ordained, a guy that's lived as a Christian and, you know, question is religion.

And then a girl that doesn't know what the heck she's even thinking. And me. And by the way, Dave, although he has been those things, Dave is, Dave is who I hope would be someone that you come across and you question your faith or you question whatever and they're like, look, dude, you're not alone, man. And I think that I think that that's what's so lost on people and religion and spirituality. And I think that also that we have to reinvent, we have to reinvent the concept of God, not even the concept of God, but just reinvent the new age way of thinking about religion, right?

Because religion has become God and God is not religion. I would actually, I know where you're going, but I would argue that we need to do the opposite. The new age way is the Olstein way with a megachurch and a crowd and you're one of nothing. Right. I think we need to go back to the old way where you sought him on your own. You found counsel with him. True. And someone like you.

It wasn't about a show. It wasn't about entertainment. It wasn't about what you were wearing. It was about when he tugs in your heart to give someone 20 bucks or pay for their gas or to maybe call that person you haven't talked to in a while or be sympathetic or better yet. The most difficult thing for me to forgive someone. Oh, yeah. To let it go. Absolutely.

That's Christ's like going to an entertainment show that you're technically paying for. It's just going to a concert every week. Right. And Sherry's that person, by the way. Yeah. I was going to say you just said everything. I do. Literally, there is a lady. Sure is a better person.

There's a lady that is at our Ingalls that I go. And I haven't seen her lately because it's been so hot. But I used to go at least once a month. And I knew she wasn't completely homeless, but she's pretty homeless. Pretty homeless where, I mean, she had an oven to put a pizza in and stuff. But she, you know, has the sign that she's homeless. But I've talked to her enough to know that she's homeless, but, you know, not homeless. Anyways, with that being said, you know, it was my passion and my desire.

to buy her groceries or to help her just because that's the person I am. Yes, it's not, it's not because of God, though, for you. I mean, maybe it is. It probably really is. No, it is because of God. Yeah. Let me rephrase that. It is because of God.

It is God. But at the same time, you're, and I, and I hate saying this on the podcast, holy shit. What I am going to tell you guys is that Sherry is a better person I'm. No, she, she's a better person to me. And I tell her this all the time. I mean, she really is. Well, I always want to give. And Chaz, like, why do you want to give?

Why? You can't just give everything away. No, it's not that. But Sherry also, like, you know, she'll go to store and she'll be gone like an hour and a half, right? And then she'll spend like $140 on homeless people. And she'll do that all the time. And it's just like.

That is Christlike. Yeah, it is. Absolutely. And, and, and me, I often feel like I'm not necessarily Christlike. Yeah, you kind of look the other way. And that faction. When people are looking bad. Sad.

I look at life. This is how I view it is. Every day is a blessing. I get to spend with my friends and my kids that I'm alive and I get to experience all of this beauty and magic. And my heart goes out for sympathy that people that don't see it. I agree. People that can't look outside and be like, this is amazing. No, it is.

This is amazing. And I can't do that, by the way. And I think, too, when I buy groceries for these type of people to see the excitement and the joy in their face, when you're able to do something like that brings me joy. Yeah, absolutely. Exactly. That's my wife and I were in a comfortable position in our lives. I mean, it could definitely always be better, right?

It can always be better. But like one of our things is we'll tip heavy, especially around the holidays. We go out to eat, not to go out to eat, but to leave fat tips. I like to do that too. I do, I do like to do. That is Christ's like. I, but listen, I'll just be real with you guys. I am having, God, Amadi.

We're having like a freaking Dr. Phil episode now. I do that to people. It happens all the time. I told Sherry, listen, I am one of those people. I want everyone that listens to this right now. I am one of those people that I struggle with myself every single day, every single day. I struggle on myself because I need and I know that I got to be a better person. And listen, I'm not a bad person.

But I'm also never afraid to say what my downfalls are. and Sherry will tell you that. Like there are sometimes will be in the kitchen. I'll be like, Sherry, you're a better person to me. And Sherry, here's where I'm wrong. Here's what I screwed up on. Here's what I need to do better at. Right.

And Sherry's not necessarily a person that will tell you that she needs to do better on something. But I'm one of those people that know, like I'm battling myself on a daily basis. It is a it is a mental thing in some ways. It is also, I think, a lack of knowing and understanding a spiritual. I think that's why when we do these podcasts about UFOs and UAPs, I mean, and I'm bringing this back to UFOs and Eupes, I have to know what the hell the answer is to this. Yeah, drives you crazy. You want to know before you go on to wherever you're going.

Absolutely. And Chad's always said that. He's like, Sherry, just in this lifetime, I want to know for myself what exactly is going on and what is this. Yeah, because like my dad died, my dad died seven years ago, seven or eight years ago, right? And my dad is very similar to me, although I hated my dad growing up. Hated him. And then he started having strokes.

And after I got out of the household, I was 19, 20 years old, we started having a better relationship. But nowadays, it's like now that he's gone, seven, eight years gone, I often think about like what would dad think? Oh, yeah. Like what would dad think about this? Like, how would dad react this? And if I told my dad, like, hey, dad, I feel like I'm not being the best person I can

be or or how can I be better right and and I'm asking the wrong person by the way this but also my dad might have the answers because he has struggled this shit his entire life my dad struggled that and um and I and I guess my point is like with the UFO thing and I want people to understand this the huge UFO people out there that are like all on board with the UFO phenomenon and the people that are that are just so connected and so devoted to the UFO experts, the Ross Colthars, the Jeremy Corbells, the people that are making a lot of money on the UFO topic. I want to understand that there are people out there also that are desperately trying to explore the topic because they want to know the origins.

They want to know how this is connected to the Bible. They want to know how this is connected to God. and I think it is, by the way, Dave. I truly think that what we are experiencing is connected to God. I think it is connected to the Bible. And I don't know exactly how. But what I will say is that I think at the very least when CERN says, hey, guys, I think we can basically prove we have 10 or 11 dimensions.

And this is science, by the way. CERN is science. CERN is not biblical. CERN is saying that, hey, we're CERN, we're science. We want to prove Adam, well, basically they want to try to prove the God particle. Yeah, the God particle, but the existence of humanity. They want to try to prove the Big Bang theory, right? Is that what they want to do?

I think so. Yeah, I think if that's what they wanted to do, they wouldn't have rituals dedicated to the goddess of destruction. Yeah. Then they have devil worshiping and everything, but maybe that's why they want to. What the God particle. No, but listen. I find most people in elite leadership, you look at,

look at the Clinton emails, talking about sacrificing chickens to Molok. Whether that's using FBI code or she or Hillary Clinton as being literal, that's a dark thing when you look at who Molok is. That's no joke. There's one thing I know for sure is people in high places believe in evil things. Yes. And they do horrible things.

And I'm on whatever the opposite team of that is. I'm cool with it. Yeah. Well, and if you look at Serr, you see all these devil kind of symbols that they have. That's kind of scary in itself. Yeah. They have the opening ceremony at CERN and it looks like a forget. Yeah, a Satan worship thing. Yeah.

Yeah, it's a summoning ritual. Absolutely. A hundred percent. Yeah. So, I mean, it's. And they say they harvest. That's where we live, man. Yeah.

That's where we live. And I think it's appropriate that you're finding your path and your faith in why you should or shouldn't believe. I'm trying. And that's a beautiful thing to be on. And I get that it would be confusing and all these things. Right. But if you can self-actualize there for a second and realize that you're very blessed to be on it because many people don't have the courage to take that path. Yeah.

And by the way. They just would rather not question. On the podcast when we talk about this, we're going to get people that talk hell of shit. Right. I mean, that's all right. They don't know my real name. I don't give a shit. No, I know.

But they know, they know us, though. that seems like that's a your problem. Yeah, that's a you problem, Chad. Yeah, that's not a that's not a us problem. That's a you problem. You should have picked a name like L.D.

El Chato. That sounds like El Chapo. El Chapo. I think that one's taken. Maybe it should have. I should escape this room right now. I don't want to be married to El Chapo. But maybe you do.

We'd be a lot richer, though, if you were married. Oh, man. So let's sum this up, Dave. What is your final thoughts on aliens? I mean, obviously, we have more to talk about. Well, Dave says there is no structures out there beyond and there's no structure. I don't know that. I didn't say that.

He did say that. What are you saying? They have given no proof of that. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. They're extrapolating a huge theory from the minutest of not even evidence, just an anomaly that they witnessed. And they worked up a fantasy around it.

Yeah. Yeah. True. And so do you think that aliens exist either physical or interdimensional? Sure. You think so? I mean, and like how does that connect with the Bible? Do you think that that can all be one thing?

It depends on how you, well, it's not one thing. I think they can all be their own things. Like what is an alien? You know, what are we defining that? If you're a creature from a, you know, higher plane or a lower plane of existence outside of this reality, if you're something that is alien to my understanding of the world, I mean, the reality is the human eye can only perceive so much of the magnetic spectrum. We have no right idea what's floating around us, you know.

Sure, true. Let me ask you one last question. Do you think we are living among lizard people? Oh, my God. I got to be honest with you. Every day I wake up is there's, every day I wake up, there's a non-zero percent chance. I think lizard people actually rule the world. Like it goes anywhere from 1% maybe 80, just depending on if I'm watching a biting speech.

You know, it's just like, oh, no. Yeah, because I was beginning to wonder, maybe he's like a lizard that's dying. I don't know. By the way, Biden did just say today in his, or not today, it was yesterday. The head of the NATO says, I, after your wife. I mean, I don't know if that's what he actually said, but it sounds exactly like what he said. And he was like thanking her for her service or whatever it was. Holy shit.

It was crazy. Now, I know he didn't mean that. Yeah, he didn't mean that. He would have said his daughter. Oh, my gosh. That was a great one. That is a good one. That is a golden.

But guys, listen, we're going to, we're going to wrap this up. I mean, we could go on for days. And by the way, Dave, maybe we bring you back on. For our Bible series. Bible series. Yes. Yeah, that's all it is is Bible. Because we're getting into the New Testament right now.

We are. Yeah. And we've been doing the Bible series, I don't know, for like the past year. Yeah, but we kind of quit. We got through the Old Testament and then stopped. Read Revelations first. It's the only book of the Bible that you get a blessing for reading. Yeah, Chad knows that by heart.

I know, I know Revelations very well. I'm just trying to get past. Well, our podcast is trying to get past the Old Testament, right? And the Old Testament to me is very, is very concerning to me. Yeah, very concerning. So maybe we do a summary. Yeah, maybe we do a summary about the Old Testament and then go on to the New Testament. Absolutely.

That'd be fun. Because Old Testament seems more. like hopeful. Like it seems like, you know, the difference between like, you know, I don't know, pigly,

wiggly and publics. Yeah. It kind of goes from war and phantom and feast into like, oh, God loves you so much. I think, I think I look at the Old Testament

as though it's history. There's some lessons in there. It's giving you information you need. It's providing you with mysteries that won't be talked about again, like the priesthood of Melchizadec. Mm-hmm. That's a big one.

No one talks about that. No one brings it up. I don't even know. that is. So there you go. Yeah. So let's do this. Yeah.

Modern biblical teaching, they avoid these things, you know, or you bring out the academics that'll tell you in this translation at this century that it was XYZ because of this historical population. And I get that they believe it. And they'll say that this is the fact. How do you, how do they know? No, they don't. They don't know.

They don't know. But, you know, listen, we have had an amazing time. I always love talking to Dave. No, I do. I love talking to Dave, but also it's like, man, as some people don't understand that like when you do podcast and you're trying to explain stories, like a storyline, especially we did the last episode was like the French, the French elections. We could have killed each other. Well, we could have because it's like you can't explain things well. I just like having conversations.

Yeah. I like having conversations. I like just saying how I feel. I like Dave saying how he feels. And Dave, I thought he did an amazing job. Thank you so much for coming on. You're going to be back very soon. Oh, yeah.

I think he's like a regular guest. My secret persona. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Dave's going to be back very soon in his secret persona. El day. And no, no, no, not L day. Nope, we can't even say it. It's secret.

Okay. But what we will be talking about is civil war because, guys. Oh, yeah, yeah. This is actually going to come off of the French elections, right? Yeah, the French elections that just happened, or the France elections, I guess I should say. And the France elections are very peculiar. You have a mass immigration problem there. And you have the leftist party that united to defeat the right.

And they're basically going with the New World Order agenda. And many people, you know, most people think that, hey, illegals are not able or allowed to vote in the United States. And now they just pass the safe act. Yeah, the House officially today, tonight. But that doesn't matter. Past the Safe Act. But there are still ways that illegals can vote. Oh, absolutely.

And if that happens and if this whole thing goes off the rails, what happens in a Civil War scenario, we're going to have some very special guest on. I believe Thursday. What, shit, that's tomorrow, by the way. Yeah, it's going to be interesting because I can't wait to like hear about this stuff. Yeah, absolutely. I love it. So, Dave, listen. listen, thank you very much.

Everybody should go and listen and check out Alien Addict. Those guys over there, including Al Dave, have been so good to us. Oh, they have. We love those guys. We love all of them. And we're going to bring the entire team on our podcast very soon. We just got to schedule it. But Dave, thank you so much for coming on.

Thank you for having me. It's been fun. No, it has been very fun. But guys, listen, until next time, man, we love each and every single one of you. This is the X-Files dubstep version. Like how can he beat that? How can he beat it? By the way, everyone, go check out Alien Addict on X.

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