Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Area 51 Declassified Conspiracy Theory | Part 1

Episode Date: January 14, 2019

On this episode, we dive into the history of Area 51 and why it is the most secretive place on earth. In this 2 part series, you will never doubt in aliens again.

Hi, 50 or 100, new onen-arpanen UOXAWPVECKKKALT VIII KANZ RAPKKKIN RAPE 50

Arvasa UD 18-Vu-Rapel Aptu-A AupuPelmata PELAP PELTILA. VICKOS Hello everyone and welcome to

Area 51 D-Classified. I am your host Chad Freeman and my co-host Hi, I'm Sherry Freeman. And this is part of the Do Without Fear Network. And the name of this series is, and show is called Investigate Earth Conspiracies podcast. That's what we're doing. And so just a little brief thing. This is our first show. So we want to tell you kind of what this series is going to be about. And let you know, it'll probably more than likely be a two-part series. We definitely want

some of you guys to call in and give your thoughts and opinions on it. I know we are a new show. So depending on how many people we get, you know, to listen is whether or not we'll do that or not. But this is Area 51 Declassified. We've been doing a lot of research and a lot of studies on Area 51. And we believe we really, really kind of have a lot of stuff locked down and what we believe, you know. There's so many, there's so many stories and there's so many things out there about Area 51, you know, and you hear one thing and you hear another thing and it's kind of just passed away or pushed away. The reality is, is that in our opinion, Area 51 is definitely significant when it comes to a conspiracy theory realm. And it is something that we believe that there's a lot of stuff to hold the weight there.

And we've found, so what we're going to do with this podcast is we want to bring all of that and put it in one place. we want to bring all the information all the facts all the evidence everything we've learned we want to be able to tell you guys and and and we actually it was kind of funny we just recorded and we were kind of reading off some of the things and we're like no we can't do that because we know this pretty well we believe our opinions on this and and this is one thing we're not always going to necessarily agree with every conspiracy but upon doing a ton of research on this subject we feel like we're truly at least confident in what we believe in our opinions on this. And so that's what we want to tell you guys. Whatever you think, we want to open that up to you to let us know, hey,

what is your opinion on this? You know, do you think the same thing? So what we're going to try to do throughout this series is we're going to have a one or two part episode. And then usually the third episode, we want to have call-ins. We want to dedicate that to you guys. We want you to call in, be a part of our show. Although, yes, we're going to bring you all this great information and all this cool stuff we found. And we're going to do a, we do a lot of hard work to find out all this information. But we want to open it up to you guys to tell us what you think. I mean, you know, it's, you know, we're not geniuses and we're not, you know, there's,

especially some of you that are so avid on certain subjects. You, you may be completely avid on Area 51, whereas we're doing a conspiracy theory show. We're very avid on what we believe and what we've learned. but some of you guys may have studied this forever and you might have a different take on it or things to add to our story. So we want to hear from you guys. And so we'll let you know when that time rises by the end of the second episode. So this is Area 51, declassified. Okay, so Area 51.

Let's talk. Area 51, let's talk about it. Let's talk about the history of Area 51 first. Let's just do a brief overview. Oh, sorry, overview. Overville. Overville, overview of how it started, what's going on with it, you know, when it started, how it got started. Well, let me tell you this.

From the very beginning, you know, we knew we were going to do a conspiracy theory show. And, you know, with all the conspiracy theories out there, which there's thousands, millions probably, the one thing that came to my mind, I was like, Area 51 has to be the first episode. And maybe that's because I, you know, the more research we did and the more we looked into it is, It was something that we probably believed more than anything. And that's kind of what got us on this whole thing. And we're like, we believe this. Like, this is not just bullshit. Like, this is the real thing.

This is fact. And everyone's heard of Area 51. And it's, you know, there's so much secrecy about it. Oh, yeah. That's where all these theories come about. And, you know, after researching, you're like, holy cow. Yeah, exactly. Like, when you dive in deep about it, it's like, wow.

So we're going to do some history for you guys. and I'm actually going to just kind of run down a brief history. We don't want to bore you guys necessarily. You know, you can do your research on Wikipedia or whatever. And feel free to, you know, write in and let us know, hey, do you guys want to hear all this history? Or do you just want us to get to the good, juicy details and kind of stay there? But we're going to talk for now, sorry about that, about the history of Area 51. So in 1957, the AEC, which is Atomic Energy Commission, right?

I think that's what it means. Distributes background information on Nevada nuclear test. To press the booklet describes a small basic groom lake called the Waterpoint Project. So atomic energy commission, they're kind of the ones that first sort of gotten in this. Well, supposedly. This is 1957, keep in mind. And this is when they had the original, I think, two runways in and out of. of when they first. Oh, sorry.

Yeah, no. 1957 is when this whole thing. I'm jumping ahead, sorry. No, it was when this whole thing just kind of started. 1957. Atomic energy commission. 5.10 or 100. Newer is. Newerbopheickleckleckxel.

Vain'talaisier. Satu or 5.10. Rappapelamisen. I'm 18th of 18th of. Apua. On the Umbudsman-hallant-houtil.fis VIII. Distributes background information on Nevada nuclear test sites to press the booklet.

So they wanted to kind of say, hey, we might have, you know, we might be doing something with Area 51. And of course, the atomic nuclear commission, or energy commission, sorry, has to do with our, you know, bombs and nuclear facilities and nuclear materials and so on and so forth. And that's, you know, kind of when that whole thing started. started. Later on in 1961, the restricted airspace expands upward, but not outward. It measures five by nine nautical miles in size, but extends up to space and is designated R4808N. A year later, the Department of Air Force expands the space again, but this time the perimeter grows. So it's basically starting with a small space and they're gradually growing out. Yeah. Yeah. What they're saying is no one can fly above us, even in space.

And then later on, they said, you know, hey, the Air Force said the perimeter is going to grow to 22 by 20 nautical miles. And this forms the groom box, as they call it, or just the box, as is known today. No flights, whether commercial or military, are allowed in the restricted airspace, except for test flights from the base itself. So for some reason, in 1961 is when they, not only did they, you know, have the, you know, the restricted airspace, which is up to space. You know, nobody can fly above it. It don't matter. How high you are, it doesn't matter.

But then for some reason, 1961, they were like, nope, we need a wider area, you know, land-wise. Right. And I think at the time the reason why is because there was a lot of, like, commotion going on and photographers wanting to know what this area was because it was restricted. Probably.

Probably right. And they, you know, had better photograph opportunities, I guess. And they're like, nope, we don't want people to even see this. So we're going to expand our boundaries out. Yeah. Because we want this. like complete secrecy. Yeah, so in 1962, the first A-12 arrives at Groom Lake.

The first test flight takes place two months after the aircraft's arrival to the base. CIA pilots arrive at the base nearly a year later to begin flight training. So the A-12 guys was a, it was a sophisticated airplane, very similar to the SR-71 Blackbird. So if you guys look up the A-12 and you look up to SR-71, you'll see very, very similar, well, you'll see a lot of similarities to that aircraft. One of the reasons they kind of developed the A12 was to kind of test their jet propulsion and what they could do with supersonic aircraft. Oh, yeah.

But on top of that, they wanted to also be able to mount a drone onto the A12, which that was really one of the first drones in history of military aviation. And so they used the A12 to do that. And they designed a drone, very similar looking to the A12, which is also very similar to the SR-71, which flew in servers for many years. So that was 1961, or sorry, 62. Now, were the spy aircrafts before or after this? Well, the U2, yeah, we'll get to that.

Oh, sorry. Yeah, because they kind of, you know, the spy aircraft in a lot of ways is kind of what started Area 51, supposedly. And the reason I'm going to get to that in a minute is because there's a reason for that. I'm just kind of doing a timeline of events, not necessarily with the U2, but, you know, know. So anyways, in 1967, the first MiG-21, a Soviet aircraft arise at Groom Lake. Officials named the testing program of Meg 21 aircraft have donut. Some pilots begin to call the restrict airspace above Groom Lake Red Square. So this is when, so the MiG-21, a Soviet aircraft in 1967, let me explain this a little bit. They, the United States Air Force or government

basically got aircraft that were Soviet aircraft at the time, Russia and all that. And the reason they got these aircraft to this area was they wanted to see what their capabilities were, what their strengths were, what their powers were. And then they also wanted to test our aircraft, our fighter jets, against these Soviet fighters. And really, it was the best way that we could determine, okay, so if we ever get in, you know, an air-to-air combat situation, which at the time, and in some ways, really Russia is still our leading competitor in the air. You know, we always want to be ahead of the curve.

Now, of course, you've got Japan and China now that are definitely in there as far as the aircraft goes. But the Soviets were always really good that the MiG was and still is to this day one of the best aircrafts ever made. And that's what United States has always been competing with. Right. And back then, I mean, it's basically we're fighting against, you know, the Cold War at the time. Yeah.

This is when nuclear bombs are coming up. This is when everybody is. scared that, you know, we're going to die. Yeah. You know, this was that time period. Yeah, exactly. So then, so to get back and before we go further with the timeline, the U2 spy plane started in 1955, okay?

So, and this is a little bit before the Atomic Energy Commission, you know, distributes background information on the Nevada test, nuclear test area. And the U2 spy plane, which some of you, if you know aviation, you probably know about the U2. The U2 is one of the most sophisticated reconnaissance aircraft in the world and has really been throughout or with the United States and a major tool in our success for many wars. Because of Auraimani Uzi-Aubbara

Waiqqa Bain carnaltylai Rappuctoring Rappapelamisen 18-vota Apua pelamisenhallination HALTILA Pellamaltilla.Fi

Vickaus Because of the high altitude flight And the capabilities of the cameras And everything they have on it and also just the fact that it flew so high, so many countries were not able to detect it on radar. And on top of that, this airplane could fly incredibly long distances with minimal fuel because of how high it flew.

So if some of you know, like if you wonder why airplanes fly at 50,000 or 45,000 or 35,000 or 35,000 feet, the higher you go, the less fuel you have to use to travel. a distance. The U-2 was no different. It just flew at ridiculous heights. So it could fly crazy distances, you know, without... And being undetected. Yeah, and undetected.

And part of that was because of, you know, at the time, which now I think countries are satellites and so on and so forth. But back then, I don't think they had that. No, U-2 has always been a thing. But, yeah, that all was established in April 9th. By the CIA, and it was known as Project Aquitone, and it was the development of the U2 strategic reconnaissance aircraft. So that's where the U2 all started. And the main reason for this was because they wanted to use the lake bed, which is Groom Lake.

Right. And this is in Nevada. Yeah. So they wanted to use it as their test bed. And then going on from 1955, you know, of course this was when this was kind of when everybody was. it was like, okay, so, you know, let's, you know, this is, we got to make this secret as possible. We, you know, this is, this is why we have to make this base so secretive was the U2 airplane, which I don't necessarily believe, whatsoever.

But anyway, so. But if they would have just come out and said that at the time, people wouldn't be so, like, into, what, what is Area 51, even back then, I think? Well, part of the problem, part of the problem with Area 51 guys is, guys and gals, is that Area 51, the United States government, has never denied having spacecraft or anything. Like when they've been questioned or whatever, they never denied anything.

They just brushed it off. They didn't say yes or no. Right. And it's like, why wouldn't you just come out and say, that's ridiculous? We have highly classified, you know, aircraft or built, whatever. Right. But that's what makes people want to know about it more

because they don't deny it. They've never said that. No one ever came out and said, hey, no, we don't have that. Are you ridiculous? Like, no, it just never happened. for whatever reason. But yeah, so the U2 is what started Area 51, essentially, supposedly.

Really, the Atomic Energy Commission played a big part in that as well. You know, I mean, and I think that was kind of one of the things. The actual origin of Area 51, you know, is pretty unclear how that all started. But the most accepted reason was it was a grid numbering system. Right. for the area by the AEC, which is Atomic Energy Commission.

And while Area 51 is not a part of the system, it is adjacent to Area 15. 15, yeah. And another explanation is that 51 was used because it was unlikely that the Atomic Energy Commission would use the number. But why would they not use the number 51? I guess because the grids were like number one through 15, and then they went 51? Supposedly. So, yeah, and, you know, this all kind of, you know, you know, started back when, so, you know, I think Atomic Energy Commission is really who started

this, but then the U-2 thing kind of came around at about the same time, and, you know, that's kind of what they were using. But yeah, so going down the timeline of events, so now we're at 1967, which is when the Soviet aircraft, they kind of started coming. 1977, years before public became aware of the stealth fighter, the first F-117 prototype arrived at Area 51. they did a lot of stuff there that they built the aircraft. They used technology all of a sudden. And talk about the F-117? Yeah, a little bit because, I mean, that's really cool.

The stealth fighter. Well, yeah, the F-117, which at the time was known as the Have Blue project, they called it. Which is funny because if you look at the Have Blue, if you just type in the U.S. Air Force Have Blue, and then you type in and look up the Air Force F-117, they're different. You know, if you look at the like underbellies of both and so on and so forth, they're definitely different. The big difference in those, and this is important because this is all about technology and kind of

where did we get this technology from the beginning? The F117's Fighter Jet kind of had wings, really. I mean, it was similar to the Have Blue. It was just the Have Blue prototype, which was initially started. That was the first thing they started to build before they actually got to the one, F-117. It didn't have, it didn't,

it was more aerodynamic. It didn't have the wings that kind of came out a little bit, didn't have any of that. If you looked at it, it looked pretty much like a perfect triangle with a couple little things in the top. So almost like,

did it look kind of UFO looking or not? Kind of, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, it was definitely different. Because it was more triangular, right?

Yeah, it was, it wasn't like the water and like, back then, everything was narrow and, you know, elongated with the wings. Yeah.

Right? Yeah, it was um it was it was definitely different um but so the f-117 came out they put these little wings on them you know i think they saw what they did with the have blue and they were like we can't we can't do it like that i mean even though the have blue i think flew um i don't think necessarily it had the flight um capabilities as what they wanted so they had they knew at that point they had to kind of bring the wings out of the f-17 to kind of give it more loft and or you know more um aerodynamic stability.

But the funny thing about that is is that anybody that's an engineer or anybody that's going to build an airplane and design an airplane, you're not going to necessarily design a triangle to fly. Unless you're trying to do something. Replicate something. And then, so maybe they did this and they're like,

okay, so this don't work. Like this doesn't work like we thought it would. So let's put some wings on this thing a little bit. And then let's see what happens. And I think that's where the F-117 came out. an amazing airplane, didn't it? Oh yeah, F-117 has been a huge powerhouse. That was always known as a stealth fighter.

The F-1-17 was, you know, it was back in F-16, F-18, F-14 days. You know, many people saw a top gun, F-14 Tomcat. They flew. But, you know, the F-1-17 was always just crazy fast. It was crazy stealthy. That was a plane that they used in Operation Desert Storm very much. It could carry, you know, a high payload of weapons. and also was stealth.

I mean, so it was unlike the F-14 or whatever. Modern-day aircraft, F-14s, F-16s, except for the F-22 now, now they've got the F-22s. That's like the new version of the F-117. But anyways, those are very similar to the F-1-17. They kind of put the stealth technology on that, but now this airplane has fighter capabilities that the F-18s and the, you know,

the dog fighters the dog fighters had that and it was that's why the those dog fighters always were so good but they just didn't have stealth capabilities so now the f22 has that and the power and everything else um so the f117 um was a it was a superior uh air power um and it was stealth and you know it wasn't necessarily the best in a dog fight you know that's why they had the f16s the f18s they were good at dog fighting which means you know fighting other aircraft in the air um f1117 didn't really necessarily want to get in those positions because it wasn't the best of that. It was better at flying high altitudes, fast and stealthy and still being able to kind of dip down, hit the enemy, whatever how to do, you know, whatever. At the same time, not being as expensive to operate.

Because later on, they came out with the B2 bomber and the B2 looked very similar to the F117, almost exactly the same, except for it was like four times of size. And it had, it could carry bombs, like actual huge bombs. And that was the B2. So anyways. So that's kind of the history of the F-117, and that plays a huge part in Area 51. And the reason we're kind of touching on that heavily

is because the technology of the F-117 and where that came from. So then we move on to 1982. 1982 was the first flight of the vehicle known as the Tackett Blue. takes place at Groom Lake like the F117. Tackett Blue is a stealth vehicle. That was the first stealth vehicle

that kind of came after the F117. That was in 1982. And, you know, the thing is, if you kind of see this trend, the trend is stealth. They started figuring out ways to, you know, use the, you know, use the, you know, use the, you know, whatever material they're creating, whatever that stuff was, they started

being able to all of a sudden to figure out how to make stuff stealthy. Right. To where nobody could figure it out. And I think they changed like the materials on the planes too at a certain time. Yeah. And yeah, the taste it blue was a Northrop Grumman, you know, aircraft. And it was a technology demonstrator aircraft created to demonstrate that a low observable stealth surveillance aircraft with a low probability of intercept.

radar and other sensors could operate close to the Ford line of battle with a high degree of survivability. That was kind of what they created afterwards, which never really, you know, if you look it up, it's spelled T-A-C-I-T-Blu, you'll see that you've never seen that airplane before. Whether or not they're flying or not, I don't know, but I don't think they are anymore. Now, I think those are the ones that went into the museum. Yeah, well, it went somewhere other than it didn't work. Yeah, it didn't work.

So 1984, the base petitions for an additional 89,000 acres of land to increase the size of restricted space around the facility. Guards forbid the public

from enter in the area before it's officially withdrawn, raising concern and criticism of illegal, I can't say that word, illegality from locals and tourists. The land request

is approved by Congress three years later. 1988 88, a Soviet satellite photographs area 51. Popular Science magazine runs through the photograph given most U.S. citizens their first chance to glimpse the secret base.

1989, Robert Frost, his civilian employee at Area 51 dies. An autopsy shows that his body contain high levels of a dangerous chemical like dioxin and dibenzifron. His widow, Helen, and other affected workers filed a lawsuit against several government officials in 1994. Frost claims that her husband died as a result of exposure to dangerous chemicals. Right. And I read that lot case.

Yeah. No surprise at all. 1989, Robert Lazar appeals around, he appears on a television and claims to have worked on reverse engineering alien technology at a site not far from Groom Lake. And this is a huge part of this story, guys. I mean, he is a key, he's a key person in the whole story and for good reason. But Robert Lazare, they call him Bob Lazar. Yeah, he was, it was 1989. he said that he had worked on reverse engineering alien technology at a site not too far from Groom Lake.

And we're going to get to that for sure. That is one of the most interesting parts of this whole entire story. And I believe it completely solidifies and concretes in that it's not just aircraft that that Area 51 maintains builds or anything else. I think it really started Saturday, July 5th, 1947. Yeah, it is. And we're going to get that. Yeah, and so 1995 Area 51 acquires two locations, popularly were tourist and curious locals, Freedom Ridge and White Sides Peak, and closes them to the public. President Clinton signs an executive order exempting Area 51 from legislation and investigation in order to preserve national security.

So he basically signed an order saying, nope, you're not allowed to investigate, you're not allowed to do any of that. Basically, and the weird thing about Area 51 is that there, a lot of people say even the president of the United States don't know every year. thing that happens there. And I was going to tell you that. Like I was reading today, like when President Clinton was in office, he even was really interested about Area 51, one to know about it. They wouldn't even tell him. Which is worrisome because like who the hell is running it. Yeah. And then when Hillary went to, she's like, you know, I swear if I become president, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to let you everyone know about Area 51. I'm going to find out. But it's still classified. Yeah. And this is, you know, after Obama and now Trump.

and going into the future with the Trump wars or whatever, the Space Force, yeah. I mean, I think that has something to do with it too. Well, yeah, and so going on, 1996, Nabata names Route 375, formerly known as the loneliest highway in America, the extraterrestrial highway skeptics around the world grown in unison, whatever. But you know what? They're grown in unison. They, you know, people that don't believe in aliens, they're like, oh, my God,

I can't believe they would name it, you know, or extraterrestrial. terrestrial highway, whatever. 2007, it appears that crews are building a new hangar much larger than the existing hanger. One website claims a hanger size to be 200 by 500 feet and 100 foot tall. And why do they need it that big? Well, 100 foot tall is what, you know, it's one thing to be like wide and whatever, but 100 feet tall.

That's really like tall. Yeah, I mean, it is. I mean, I'm 5, 10, 15, 25, 30, 35, 40. It goes on and on and on. No, I mean, it's huge. That's huge. Yeah. So in 2009, several former Area 51 staffers,

including two former military test pilots, described their work at the site. In 2013, Area 51 is identified by the name of the first time in declassified CA documents, though all operations at a facility are still kept secret. No mention is made of aliens in the documents, of course. I mean, come on, come on, guys. All right, so now that's kind of the timeline

to kind of give you back to the timeline. So now let's go to 1947. I think this is kind of where... And there's so much information to fill in in between these timelines. That's why we're going to do a two part, yeah. I mean, it's just crazy. As much information as we research, like my brain is it's going twisting around. Yeah.

So, okay, so let's start with 1947. It was the Roswell incident. And I think this is kind of where you got to, you have to look at, you know, kind of, which of course in 1947 everyone was like just kind of brushed it off and they were like okay whatever um so on july 8th 1947 the roswell daily record um newspaper published a front page article and within the headline it read r aaf captures flying saucer on ranch in roswell region and the legend of america's most famous brush with aliens was born this was in 1947 and this is when brazen had a farm and i just can i just tell this story?

Yeah. So he has this farm at 5.30 in the morning. He hears this huge crash in his farm. So he goes out there and he's like, what the heck was this? And he sees this big light and boom in his field. So he calls the police and the police come out there and like, we don't know what this is. So then they call the military. The military come out and they see what it is.

And they're like, you need to go inside. They came with armored trucks, like trucks you couldn't see anything. And they took all the site. crash off and I believe they took it to area 51. Well, they took it somewhere. But yeah, so, and this is the reason why many conspiracy theorists today, I mean, they considered a Rosal incident to be one of the most conspicuous pieces of evidence that the U.S. government has ever covered up.

They tried to hide that. About the existence of extraterrestrial life. Right. You know, so then next month, thousands of people from all over the world, will travel to a de facto UFO capital in the world. But the Roswell story's position in the public imagination was far from immediate. So here's the thing. It's weird how this whole thing happened.

So if you know, like, you're right as far as, you know, how that worked. The government kind of came out and so on and so forth. They swept that stuff under the rug, basically. So let me tell you what it was reported at first, okay? So July 8th, 1947, Roswell Army Airfield issued a press release, stating that a flying disc had crashed on a ranch near Roswell during a powerful storm. Later in the day, as government scientists arrived to the area, the story appeared to change. But a press conference was held, and it was stated instead of a weather balloon,

or sorry, yeah, it was, they said a weather balloon had crashed. Yeah. And this was later on, they held this press conference. And they were like, no, weather balloon had crashed. But the problem with this issue is they already issued a press release stating that a flying disc could crash on a ranch near Roswell during a storm. Now, first of all, it's weird that they would even release, like, why would they even say that? You know, maybe it was a, this maybe was our first, you know, brush. Why would the police ask the military to come out for a weather balloon?

Well, and yeah, I mean, so the strange thing was, is that it was, you know, the press conference was held. reporters are shown debris said to be taken from the crash site such as foil, rubber, and wood. Right, and they put it in armored trucks. Yeah, which appeared to confirm that the object had been a weather balloon, supposedly. No. And they showed reporters this. You know, it was some BS that they kind of showed. So after initially suggesting that the Brazel's debris had come from a UFO,

I think it was the Roswell Daily reported a correction, which included the U.S. Air Force State. that it was a weather balloon that had been found at the site. It later went on, I think, to say that he regretted the publicity that his misidentification had caused. So I'm kind of wondering why, you know, that was all a thing, too. But according to official accounts, the debris that he found came from a balloon, which was part of an experimental technological trial, code name Project Mogul. But here's the thing, man.

like how are you going to how are you going to confuse a weather balloon with a freaking flying saucer and then better yet it's not even that he saw it that's what he reported and then later on you know they the the the roswell army and see here's the problem the roswell army airfield is is who issued a press release stating that a flying disc had crashed and see and and i think that's i think that's the issue it was the airfield that released a statement too to begin with, right? It wasn't the government. It wasn't something that, you know, they, I don't think,

corresponded with the government on this time. So the Army Airfield felt like, you know, their public relations director, whoever it was, was like, you know, yeah, go ahead and issue a statement, whatever. They didn't think anything of it, you know, or whatever it was. And then when the government got there, whoever it was, probably CIA or whoever at this time or whenever, I don't know if CIA was created. Let me just ask you, Chad, like, how big do you think a weather balloon would be?

Like, how big? Well, they can be big, yeah. Like, how big? I mean, they could be, you know. Do you think they could be three quarters of a mile long? I don't know. I mean, I'm not a weather balloon expert. And two to 300 feet wide?

I'm just asking. I mean, that's pretty big. Is that what it says? Because that's the site that was on his land. It says Brazil takes the two military officers to the crash site. It was three quarters of a mile long and two to 300 feet wide, a gorge starting the northern end of the extend. extends for four or 500 feet towards the other end. Okay, so obviously it's not a weather balloon.

But regardless of that, if you think about it, so are they saying the crash site? Was it a crater or what was it? I mean, was it? Oh, yeah, it made a gorge. Oh, it was so big. So a weather balloon, there's no way that's possible. I mean, I've seen weather balloons and weather balloons are usually no bigger than,

I mean, the biggest one you're probably going to get is about the size of this little room. We're in here. you know, it might be 10 feet at the most wide. I mean, and it's a freaking balloon, which means whatever it's carrying is going to be what would make a gorge. But why would a weather balloon be carrying something that big? It's not, it's not. Another odd thing about the debris is it was like thin as newspaper, but it was strong as steel. Like it was a material that nobody's ever seen before.

Yeah, but what did they show them? See, because that's the thing. I don't think they would show them what actually crashed. No, this is what Brazel, the farmer dude. That's what he was saying, that the debris was thin as newsprint, but extremely strong. There was a foul, a foil that when it crumbled and folded itself without a sign of a wrinkle. All right. So let's talk about Project Mogul, because Project Mogul was supposedly this air balloon.

The classified project was designed to detect sound waves in the upper atmosphere from Soviet atom bomb test by flying microphones on trains of balloons at high altitude. Although the technology was quickly suspended, it remained secret for more than 20 years. See, I just, I don't believe that, you know, just like you said, I mean, the size of that gorge and how big that was, there's no way that that was a weather balloon or any of that crap. I just, there's no way possible.

And again, why would the military be out there on his land if it was a weather balloon? That makes no sense to me. And why would they? Obviously, it wasn't weather balloon. They say it was, they say it was, but listen, they say. Yeah, that's what they were saying it was, though. Yeah, that's what they said initially because it was a top secret thing.

That supposedly they were trying to find, they were trying to listen for atomic nuclear test or atomic testing from, you know, the Soviets, which is BS also. So let's listen to what a couple other witnesses saw about this. And this is all very, you know, it's all relative to the, to this whole conversation. Several people claim to have seen debris scattered over a wide area. and at least one person reported seeing a blazing aircraft in the sky shortly before it crashed. But the key account came from a former mortician, Glenn Dennis, who claimed in 1989 that a friend who worked as a nurse at Derazawa Army Airfield

had accidentally walked into an examination room where doctors were bent over the bodies of three creatures. They apparently resembled humans, but with small bodies, spiny arms, and giant bald heads. In 1995, Ray Santilli, a London-based entrepreneur, released footage. of an alien autopsy performed in Roswell in 1947. Experts immediately ridiculed the footage as a hoax, and he admitted years later that it was almost entirely fake. Nevertheless, Centilli insisted real footage existed,

but due to its poor condition, he had been forced to recreate it. Critics had questioned the validity of various witnesses and pointed out that many claims over these years had come from friends of friends, who supposedly saw something out of the ordinary. Okay, so obviously this is some crazy BS that, you know, that happened. There was something that happened in 1947. And it just so happens that 10 years later they created Area 51. Now, why would it take 10 years later? I don't know. I don't know exactly,

but we don't know that they didn't create it earlier than 1957, I think it was. You know what I'm saying? I mean, yeah. We didn't have satellite technology then. We didn't really have a way to know anything, but where did they take this? You know, they could have taken it to a military base. you know, that would be one good place to take it. Well, if you think about Roswell was in New Mexico, Nevada is just right up the street from there. So maybe they took it there and there was no evidence of that until 1957.

You know, because that base was already open when this happened. Well, and the thing is, so it was, it was, the strange thing about this is, after 1947, this is when UFO sightings continued to increase. Right.

And it was even before, this. Like there was UFO sightings, what, you know, 10 years before, previous to this, you know, what happened in Roswell. Yeah. But looking at UFO sighting data from both sides of Atlantic, it was a direct correlation between popular films involving aliens and real war UFO sightings. In 2009, the Guardian detailed the popular culture influences that may have helped propel UFO sightings in the UK, but there were a ton. There were over 750 sightings officially documented in the UK by the Ministry of Defense. UFO desk, the highest figure on record.

And, you know, there's people still to this day that sees sightings every day. Every day. Even pilots that are just flying, you know, domestic flights, seeing UFOs. Well, and the thing is, so the unofficial data supplied by the National UFO Reporting Center in America suggests that UFO sightings have been slowly increasing in the U.S. since the 1970s, growing increasingly rapidly since the early 1990s. And so they're saying that one possibility explanation is that that the reporting center became both better known and easier to contact with the advent of new technology. And then in 2014, the economists analyzed the available data from 2000 and 2014 and found that most UFOs were reported when people were drunk, supposedly.

Oh, and I've read reports about people being abducted too when they were drunk. Yeah, well, we know. Anyways, I've heard of that before. I felt like I've been inducted before. So Roswell is the UFO capital of the world And do in part by that So Okay this is what gets me

Okay I know about Roswell or whatever And that happened Everyone's kind of heard about that But it's the events that happened After afterwards that gets me like Hmm What are they hiding? Why the secrecy?

Why do they have these hired gunmen At each checkpoint You know If you've The camo dudes. Yeah, the camo dudes. Why, if you even step over the line, are they going to hold you at gunpoint? Or say they're going to use lethal, you know, what is it?

Deadly Force, I guess. All right. Well, so to get on the camo guys. So, okay, so. Yeah, let's talk about the camo guys. Let's just talk about some of the things we've read, some of the things we've seen, like the real stuff. Well, if you've ever watched anything how to do with Area 51, you had to have seen mention of the camo dudes, right? I mean, the camo guys in Area 51 are very synonymous and with each other.

A named by Glenn Campbell is a one-time Area 51. The researcher, he was a big guy that was Area 51. It's actually funny. He has a video on YouTube. You guys should check it out. When he kind of came around on the Camo dudes, he parked his car somewhere else. They were watching him. And he kind of walked around.

And he's like sitting there in his window, just sitting there recording them. And they freak out. And then he kind of runs away, which is funny. And it's so funny because the same. bald-headed security guys in a lot of videos that I noticed yeah maybe yeah I mean but the same security and they're not nice at all well that okay so here's the thing so contrary to popular belief the camo dudes are not military they're not associated with the United States government anyway they're actually contract security right

and so I've read some people say oh these are security guards well they're not security guards these guys you know they're very similar probably to Blackwater or armor group or any of those companies that go overseas and protect embassies or, you know, in Iraq they used a lot of the contract security guys as, you know, war fighters. I mean, they were fighting just right along with, you know, the infantry and special forces and so on. And a lot of these guys are special forces or the ones that are not are trained in special forces tactics and so on. So these are not security guards. These are guys that are trained heavily.

And in some cases, and here's what a lot of people don't realize about private contract security firms, they're not upheld by the Geneva Convention, which a lot of people don't realize that. The United States military, anywhere you go overseas, you're upheld by the Geneva Convention, which means that you can't kill innocent civilians, you can't do this, and you can't, I mean, which obviously that's a good thing. But, you know, you can't fire until fired upon, you can't do this. There's so many rules, you know, because it is our military and, you know, whatever. But the contract security firms are not upheld by the Geneva Convention. They can kind of do whatever they want to and then you know it's up to somebody to sue them or to hold them accountable

in a court of law which is sometimes tough to do especially when you get the military this you know backing you and that's kind of um you know in my opinion why the military and the government uses contract security so much it's their way of using a private military i mean that's what they call them a secret military to to do the dirty work for them that they can't do with the actual military because it's harder to hold them accountable for their actions. And the government doesn't want it coming back on them, obviously. Yeah, they don't. But they'll still support them in a lot of cases, even in crazy situations they get into.

And so if the government is able to keep identities and keep secrets like Area 51 for so long, trust me, they can get a contract security company out of shit, you know, if they need to. And that's their thing. They use them as their little secret weapon. And they do the same thing in Area 51. This is no different. And let's just talk about, like, what are some of the things that they do? Like, you know, I see all these crazy YouTube videos about people like tempting them or, you know, going to the gates and, you know, watching for the men in the white trucks, the Camo guys.

And I think it's just crazy. Well, the Camo dudes actually work for a company called A-C-O-M. Or it's A-E-C-O-M. And A-C-O-M is a, it's kind of funny. if you go to their website, if you go to ACOM's website, it's AECOM, and they got a lot of interesting job postings. They got a lot of interesting job postings.

And most of all their jobs are either from Fallon, Nevada. That's one of the locations of their jobs, or Las Vegas, Nevada. They have a lot of stuff there. One of the jobs I just recently found on their website is Electronic Warfare Systems Engineer. So you think of a private company having a job for electronic warfare systems engineer, right? What the heck is that?

And it's kind of funny. They had a job, which I don't have, I didn't actually pull up, but they had a job of an access control specialist position. But if you look at the job description, it talked about like you had to have prior special forces or some training. And it's like they try to make it like subtle on their website. But if you look at the description and like what the requirement. are to get into this, it's like hell to get into that. You're going to have a lot of history,

like a lot of specialties, a lot of this, a lot of that. And it's like access control. And the funny thing is always usually says either Las Vegas, Nevada or Fallon, Nevada. They don't ever say anywhere, even if Fallon is not, it's not crazy far away from Area 51 area. I think it's like four, well, yeah, it's like four or five counties away from Area 51. But this, this is a lot of access control people and whatever. But I just thought it was kind of interesting in the electronic warfare system. So the Camo dudes are not military.

They are a private company and they are employed by ACOM. And ACOM is a very interesting company. It's weird. If you go to their website and look at their main pages like, oh, this is a company it does like, you know, I mean, it makes it look like they do like. Yeah, but they really like will shoot civilians if they walk over the line of Area 51.

No, and they will. I mean, and that's the reality. And let's just talk about a couple of those incidents that we've seen, you know, like the family that were like, you know, they were on vacation, I think. You know what I'm talking about that family? Yeah. Well, the family was on vacation, yeah. Yeah, and they're coming up to Area 51.

And they got drawn out with guns. Yeah, they, I don't know if they actually crossed the line or they were close to the line. I'm not sure I don't remember that part. But that family, and, you know, they had two small children, I think. and they were all drawn out of their car with guns pointed out their faces and told to lay on the floor or whatever they were told to do. Now, did they cross the border? I can't remember. I don't think they did.

I don't think they crossed the border. I do know of one other person that did cross the border on accident. Yeah. Well, that was a tour guide. A tour guide company. And, you know, that's another story. Like, you know, if you even like, and they tell the people before they go on their tour guides, like, if you even step cross over this. line, don't do it. Don't do it because you're going to be in a lot of trouble. You're going to have a

$750 fine, whatever. So anyways, this tour guy had four couples, I mean, four people in his car. It was a couple from the UK and then a mother and a son. And they're dry, you know, they do these tours. This is, you know, they don't have a lot of business because they're in a rural area. So, you know, this is their means of, you know, making money or whatever. So they do these tours of going up towards the area. Yeah. So they were going towards the area, the area, and they got off topic, and the tour guide stopped paying attention.

Yeah, they actually asked the tour guide, that question. Yeah, about sports. Yeah. And they were close to the gate at this time, or the, whatever. Right. And then he didn't even pay attention, went across the line, maybe one or two miles past, and he started looking like where. I don't think it was two miles.

I think it was like a mile. Like a mile. He's like, where are we? came flooring it behind them. You know, obviously pulled him over, stopped him, got him out at gunpoint. And the funny thing was at this point, you know, he's lucky he didn't get shot because they're authorized to use lethal force. The thing you know is, is he brought him out at gunpoint, whatever.

They called the sheriff's department for whatever that, you know, county. Well, they did, yeah, they deal with all those issues for them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, mostly unless they kill you. And but yeah, so they brought them out and they actually were originally. going to charge the um everybody was 650 $5.50 fines yeah yeah even the tourist uh tourists until they had the video because they

have a video you can check it out um if you go to youtube and look up uh you know um tour company um invades area 51 probably you'll find it um but they had an in in car camera um and that's kind of that's the only reason that the tourists got away with it yeah because they thought that they're doing it with ill intent like they're doing it on purpose yeah and the The prosecutor is the one that dropped the charges on them. Well, thank God for the news channel, because they're the ones that they aired the show and saying what happened, and that's the only reason they dropped the charges. Yeah, the news channel came out and said, yeah, that, you know, hey, check the footage because they didn't know anything about it.

Right. It wasn't, you know, ill intent. But they were about to charge every one of them. I think it was a $600 fine or $6.50. But now it's up to like $750, I think. Who knows? But they're lucky they didn't get shot. And, you know, the thing about the Cammo guys is they patrol.

38,000 acres. That's a lot of land. I mean, 38,000 acres. I just wonder how many of them are there. No idea. And you'll probably never know. I mean, there's probably quite a few. If Camadoos do catch you trespass and you'll find a gun pointed at you.

Oh, yeah, for sure. And it's very easily. I mean, they're authorized to kill you on site if they think it's warranted. Then the signs even say that at the, you know, the back gate. It says we will use, you know, deadly force. So they are the judge, the jury, and the executioners. I mean, they're, you know. But how is that legal?

Well, it is legal because you're, it's the same. You're going from public line. The private property. It's, yeah. And it's a, you know, a secured facility. It's the same thing as if someone comes in your house, you have a right to shoot them. Right. It's the same thing.

It's just, you know, they have highly classified information in that. And that, you know, that's even more of a reason to shoot you. Yeah. And why is it highly classified? What are they hiding? I want to know. And that's what we're talking about. Yeah, we need to know. So if you ever made a road trip to Area 51 border,

you may well see some of the camo guys from a distance anyway. You're not probably going to see them very close up. A lot of them, if you go anywhere near there, they're going to kind of be perched up on a hill or... They have snipers too. Yeah, they're always around, yeah. And of course, we talked about earlier, they have sonar devices that are in the dirt.

So, you know, even if you tried to walk, not even on the gate, go somewhere else and walk on property. They have a sonar device that's going to know exactly where you're at. It's going to alert that system. And, you know, they're going to be there in two seconds. They have helicopter. I mean, trust me, man, if they're developing probably spacecrafts,

trust me, they got little, actually there was somebody there that some people have seen drones. You know, there's been a couple people videos that camped nearby. And at night, they saw drones that were kind of flying near them. And they were silent. They can only see like little lights kind of, couldn't hear them. but they saw these things flying and you know and the weird thing is like

you know they wouldn't need to put lights on a drone I mean they could freaking get a drone and fly it without lights you know what I'm saying it's like but why would they? Yeah well it's just funny why would they put lights on it and they're recording them and I think that's the whole point

I think they wanted them to know I mean because otherwise they could just do it I'm sure they have drones with no lights obviously but they probably wanted them to know hey just say no we're looking we're watching and I don't think was like, oh, well, we have lights on our drone or regulation. No, it's just that they wanted these people to know that, hey, we're watching you.

And drones, and, you know, like we were talking about the airspace before, you know, there's, you know, planes can't fly over certain areas and drones have a certain area where they can fly to that point. I was watching a video today of this guy that had a drone, so he, you know, walked up to as far as he could walk. He flew his drone as far as he could, and it went to the, um, the Groom River or whatever. Grum Lake? Yeah, Groom Lake, sorry, Groom Lake or whatever it was. And he went as far as he could with his drone,

but you can't, you know, you can't go past a certain point even with your drone. But I think... Well, they probably cut off the... They probably cut off, you know, because drones are operated based on GPS and all that stuff. So they probably cut that. I mean, trust me, they're pretty smart on that. You know, the thing about the Cammo guys, they're always on patrol. even when you drive down the unmaintained dirt road,

you will set off sensors, even if you're not on the property. They have sensors that are outside of the property. So that's why if you're ever around Area 51, it's not the cameras necessarily they see you on, but when you drive anywhere near the perimeter, I mean, I'm talking about probably from a quarter mile away, they have sensors even outside on public land

because most of that land around Area 51 is public land, but they even still have sensors there. So if you're driving on the road, they have sensors that know. Yeah, it's legal because it's public land. It's owned and operated somehow by the federal government. Okay, so could we put sensors out there? You could, but I mean, it wasn't like, you know, probably, but I mean, you know, what good is it going to do you?

But they, the camo dudes monitor that 24-7. That's why a lot of people that go anywhere around there, they usually end up seeing a camo guy, you know, the dude in the white truck. Right. And why do they always drive the dodge whatever? The thing is, it's been reported. They know you're there before you are anywhere near their base. They know it before you even get close to that border. And you might see a truck, maybe one of the hills inside the border just sitting there.

They're going to be watching you. They're going to be waiting for you. And they're going to be wanting you to do something stupid and dumb. Because trust me, their job is to protect 38,000 acres of mostly property that is not very interesting. So they would love for you to do some stupid shit. Oh, yeah, because they don't probably see. I mean, I don't know. I mean, how many, like, tourists do you think tried to go to the gate a day?

Because, like, I was watching a video today. There's a lot, but. Yeah, even, like, with the mailbox thing. And I don't know, you know, you might want to explain the mailbox thing. Well, it was a black mailbox that was outside of the property, which somebody owns, apparently, but I think they've since taken it down. Yeah. And so now they put it, like, it's in a bunch of rocks with, like, a big pipe.

and people leave like letters saying they're here. It's like, you know, the big thing to do once you were there, you visited, you leave a letter. Yeah, you leave something saying you were there, yeah. But this is at one time with somebody's private mailbox, which I think is kind of weird, don't you? Yeah, I mean, it is. But like I said, there was actually a property area 51 that was taken over by the government at one point in time. And it was the only known property that was around there still that the government kind of took over because they said it was for the safety and security of those people,

even though, you know, they just took their land and said peace out. And they're like, and they expanded, they expanded their, their area. And I think they expanded too because I think people are getting too many, you know, at that time, that's when people are camping out, taking pictures. They were getting pretty good pictures of like the area at one time. And now they've moved it way back. So you can't even see anything. Like with a drone, all you can see is that, what is it, the,

the groom lake yeah room lake yeah so you know and and once you get apprehended to area 51 base property you will be handed over to lincoln county sheriff's department lincoln county is where area 51 is um and they apparently don't like area 51 tourist either um you know lincoln county sheriff's office has they'll probably deal with that a lot i mean well i i just wonder like how much intel i mean they don't probably have intel at all like on what what the base is in but but they agreed to deal with that for yeah i mean yeah so they're not you know they're not you know they're not doing that. The sheriff once said that they're there for pretty much one reason. And he told the New York data news that speaking about the tourists near the base border, this is the middle

of nowhere. It's the middle of the desert. I see very few trespassers that are accidents. So, that's all very clearly marked. I know, but people are there because they want to know what's there. Yeah. And being so secretive, you know, about it and not letting people know, of course, people want to know. Everyone wants to know. What's in there? What are you hiding? Well, and that's what we're going to talk about.

Yeah. I think, I think, you know, the whole thing is, is that the camo dudes are there. They're there to, if they have to kill you, they will. They have no shortages of equipment whatsoever. They have long-range viewing devices, night vision. They have white pickups equipped with monitors to keep tabs on road sensors. they have I mean they monitor movement throughout the base borders and obviously they have radios but you know they're military contractors most of their radio frequencies used by the camo doos are encrypted so you're never going to hear their

radio transmissions instead of voice communication you would just hear noise basically if you try to listen to anything that even if you had their frequency you're not going to hear voice and I bet you encryption. Yeah. And in the 1990s, Glenn Campbell, the guy that we watched on video, he reported in his, I think it's like an Area 51 viewer guy that some of the Camo dude frequencies were actually unencrypted. And so I'm not sure if this is still true or not, but that was in the 1990s.

I'm sure it probably is again today. But I just wonder, do the Camo dudes know what they're protecting? Like, do they know anything? I don't know. I doubt it. I don't know. Doubt it. well all of them are like I said they're all

from ACOM Corporation it's a large government contractor ACOM will not confirm nor deny that they are supplier of CAMAdu's to area 51 and obviously that's to be expected but it's known for sure that a corporation called EG and G

technical services was the CammoDU's employer at one point that was I think the original employer of the CAMO guys and then it changed to ACOM and then I think it was EGNG was acquired by URS Corporation and after that URS was acquired by ACOM. So it was kind of like they kind of stayed in that cycle and it was probably because of the classification stuff and right you know didn't want to have to deal with something else and as of 2002 they were employed by

URS Corporation which was acquired by ACOM in 2014 and then G4S Secure Solutions was another was another government security contractor, and they were also camo guy employers. So they provided some of the camo dudes also. I'm just curious, like, how much access does the camo dudes have? Well, I mean, they probably don't, you know, from what I've read and kind of what I've kind of figured out, I don't think the camo guys have a ton. You know, they don't, they don't have to be in the middle. Their job is to protect anybody from getting anywhere near the middle. Now, obviously, you know what happens when you know what if what if somebody would be trained for that well what if somebody did get into the base they probably got a special set of guys just for that that are

even put through a more rigorous classification system you know I'm saying probably the guys you see on the outside of the base even if somebody did get in would probably never go into the actual base area it would probably be another deployment of guys that are just in that inner inner area and most of the camo guys live in Las Vegas and they fly there I mean, that's, you know, they don't take a car there. Yeah, and I thought that was interesting with even the employees. All the employees. Yeah, the employees that work within the facility, you know, in the base or whatever.

Well, you got to think there's nothing really around there. Yeah, they're flown in there from Las Vegas. Yeah, and it's on Janet Airlines or Janet. What is Janet? I'm just curious. Do you know? I don't know. Janet is a shuttle of Area 51 employees.

It shuttles them back and forth. Janet flight originates from a special secret terminal at McCarran International Airport. Janet stands for just another non-existent terminal. Oh, that's kind of crazy in itself. Just another non-existent terminal, yeah. Janet. And what surprises many people is that when they first hear of it, the Camadudes are not members of the U.S. military or the U.S. government.

They're just glorified rent-a-cops, mall security guards wearing camouflage. And that's what you want to, you know, this is what you want to think. That's what you want to think, but that's not what it is. Yeah. Because they have authority to kill you. And it's like nowadays security contract. companies and stuff, you know, people don't see it the same, you know, security contracting,

there's, you know, like G4S, ACOM, and there's so many of them, Blackwater, you know, Armor Group. I mean, there's so many of them, which I think Blackwater is now as XE, I think they call themselves because they've, they've ruined their Blackwater names, not on a new name. I think they ruin their name a couple times. Yeah, many times. And so was, so was, you know. Well, yeah, but I mean, I'm just saying it's one of the things they've kind of done.

But yeah, I mean, it's strange because security nowadays is, you know, it's the easiest way for the government to get away with shit. And that's the reality. But yeah, so Camo dudes, they are a huge part. They are a big part of Area 51. Now, let's kind of get into the, what were you going to say? Well, I was just going to say they're the huge part because that's where civilization can get to and they can't get beyond the Camel dudes. No, you're never going to get beyond. see beyond the Kim of Dudes ever.

No. And the only way we will see beyond is if a politician writes it out or some, but I don't even think politicians know what's going on there. I don't even think presidents know what's going on there because, you know, I think we talked about that and touched on that earlier. Even President Clinton, when he was in office, he was very interested in area 21. I mean, I'm sorry, area 51. 21.

He wanted to know more about it, but. He couldn't even find anything. Yeah. Well, let's get into, so the government actually admitted at one time that it studies UFOs. So about the 0-51 conspiracy theories. Let's talk about them because they actually admitted it. And the Washington Post reported this. It wasn't some BS news agency or any of that.

Washington Post reported that the government actually admitted it studies UFOs. And this was actually in 2017. Oh, 2013, that was when it first came out. No, that's no, no, no, no. They, they admitted that Area 51 existed in 2013. Yeah, okay. But the government actually admitted that it has studied UFOs at Area 51, which is 2017. Okay.

And so, you know, to me, the fact that this came out in 2017, it's almost kind of like the government's way of softening what maybe they're going to come out with at some point in time. You know what I'm saying? To the public. It's like, okay, so we do kind of. And then if you just saw this new thing that just recently happened with that flying object that was in space. And it was like the, what was it? Like October 2018, January 2019 now.

But you remember when that flying object, it was a flying something in space. It was something moving through our atmosphere or through our universe or solar system, sorry. And the one thing scientists and NASA and all that said was it didn't move like a common or asteroid. it moved differently. It was more like a UFO. Yeah, it was, it had some of the similar movements, and then it moved past our, our planet. Now, where it went, we don't know. I don't know if we're still tracking it.

Not sure on that. You know, that could be a whole other thing, but, but yes, that happened. So it was kind of weird. That's really the first time that mainstream media that NASA or any government agency or anybody kind of came out and said, hey, we've got some kind of, you know, craft or object flying through our, unidentified through our, yeah,

through our solar system that doesn't look like an asteroid. It doesn't act the same way as an asteroid. I think there were times that it sped up, slowed down, you know,

which is not, it's not concurrent with what things do or objects do in space. It is always a constant motion. There's really, you know, that's why like the moon landing,

people were like, well, the flag was flying on the moon and there's no air, there's no wind on the moon. Right, there's no gravity. So, But for decades, Americans were told

the area if anyone didn't exist. You know, we know all about that. And they did. They said that they denied it and they finally had to come out with it and they basically said they lied about it. Well, the Pentagon, well, the Pentagon in 2017

officially confirmed that there was in fact a $22 million government program to collect and analyze animalis aerospace threats. And as the government speaks for, is kind of the government saying UFOs. And that was kind of the first thing that they kind of really came out and said.

It was a specific segment of the population that doesn't need to Google the terms Paradise Ranster, Cheshire Cat, Airstrip. You know, it was the first time the government, it was the admission that the fact that the government spent $22 million on UFO research. And it gives any out there theory credibility in a lot of ways, you know, as of 2017. I mean, even a $22 million for the government, they're probably bullshitting on that. You know, I mean, they probably just said, hey, we spent $22 million on UFO research. Reality is they probably spent a lot more than that, and they probably have spent a lot more than that over the course of history. It's just, in my opinion, this whole article, or the fact they even came out and said that is a way to soften kind of getting the public ready. ready for what...

Or a possibility of that could exist. But I think like... Because the government's never going to come out and say, oh, by the way, we've lied to you for 60-something years. Yeah. You know? And I think we have to back up to like Bob Lazars' claims. Well, Bob Lazar said...

And that was like in the late 1990s? Well, no. Bob Lazar was worked on it earlier than that. But no, Bob Lazar said, if the government ever comes out and they admit that UFOs exist, if that ever happens, if that ever happens. You know, they're not going to come out and say, oh, by the way, we've lied to you for 60 years. No, they're not going to do that.

They're going to probably take one of the spacecrafts that they have been working on or have worked on at one point in time from Area 51. They're going to put it in the back of a giant cargo airplane. They're going to fly it to 50,000 feet somewhere, who knows, like Nevada, wherever. Throw it out the back of the airplane. It's going to crash. And then they're going to call reporters and be like, oh, my God, it's the first time we've seen in a spacecraft. And it's going to be bullshit. but it's going to be the way of, it's a lot easier in saying, by the way,

we've lied to you for like, you know, 60 years. Right. And for those of the people that don't know about Bob Lazar, maybe you should give like a little bit of background of who Bob Lazar is. Yeah, we're going to get to that. He's a major factor in Area 51. Yeah, Bob Lazar is probably going to be a big part of part two of this series. And the reason I say that is because he's probably the biggest,

most concrete evidence of UFO aliens being Area 51. and it's not just someone that said, oh my God, there was aliens that Area 51. No, this is literally, in a lot of ways, it's kind of proven. Yes. Based on what, you know, based on reports, based on actual news reporters, based on people that have investigated this. Oh, and based on light detectors. Yeah, lie detectors. Yeah, I mean, and we'll definitely get in that. But yeah, it's not only Bob Lazar that has reported things like this.

He's been one of the main ones that went public. But then once he went public, but then once he went public, there was a lot of people that supported what he said. There was a lot of people that said, yes, he did do this and yes, he did do that. And there's still a lot of people that, you know, say it's BS. Well, it's, well, yeah, but it's, you know, because people don't necessarily want to believe something that they can't comprehend. Right. You know, I mean, the fact that we can't comprehend a wormhole in space, which is scientifically basically proven, right, a wormhole, which means you can travel a short distance that may take you.

a certain amount of time. If you ever watch the movie Interstellar, you know, it may take you 30 minutes in your time, but then when you get back, wherever you're at, it could be 10 years later. And the reality is that that does exist.

It's been proven scientifically. And even though we can't fathom that exists, and in some ways our consciousness says, well, that's not possible. But the reality is it does exist. And the reality is that aliens, I believe, exist. I do 100% believe that. And, you know, like I said,

we're not going to do conspiracy theories on everything that we necessarily believe in, right? Right. There may be logical explanations to a lot of stuff. Oh, and we can go off the path with that. I mean, you know, as I was researching today, you know, I know we're kind of getting sidetracked, but as I was researching that, sorry, but, you know, I was reading about hybrids and people that have been abducted by aliens and things they do to them. Like, like in all these people have the same stories that happen to them.

and, you know, they're developing these hybrids of alien, human DNA. I mean, it's just like, it's crazier. But there's, like, actual doctors that are credible doctors that believe in this stuff. So, I mean, those are all theories in their self, too. I mean, it's just crazy. Like, how far you can get in depth with, you know, going from Area 51 to aliens to aliens abducting abducting people

since they were like eight years old well there's yeah and I don't necessarily believe that but um okay but you're saying you believe in area 51 I do 100% yeah

yo's and aliens so there's like I don't believe people are abducted no okay so there's your stopping point but other people believe well I'm sure they do and those are drunk people no I don't think so

but anyway so a parade of tops you know there's been top secret aircraft there there's been this and there's been that You know, but quickly, Area 51 became a wireframe for not quite, you know, not just, you know, a test, you know, a test ground or a top secret place they build stuff. It was a big thing about alien life, secret technology, a supernatural behavior they were trying to figure out. There were gaping holes in the out there theories, which was supposedly had an easy explanation by the United States government. It was always, oh, well, we're just, you know, we want to protect stuff.

You know, they never denied that they were spacecraft. They never denied they were testing aliens, but they always had a good explanation. They didn't. They never denied it. Oh, well, they did with the Roswell. They said it was a weather balloon. Well, that they did. But that was in 1947.

But, you know, upon the years and years of all these things that have come out, and especially in this generation, you know, now with social media and so on, they're not, they're not, they're even more so not denying it now. I mean, they're almost kind of like embracing what the public is kind of getting about. just reminded me, Chad. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Well, no. What I was saying is the government is working diligently to keep those stories

in a wrap. They have for 20 years. I mean, any stories that came out, anything to happen, any sightings, any this, any that, you know, the government all was kind of stayed out of it. They just kind of let people say whatever. They let them say whatever they wanted to say. And then if somehow it came out something, they would get something out there to say, oh, well, it's probably this.

And it's probably this. And it's probably this. and that's a fascinating thing man in part in part two of this we're definitely going to talk about the boblitzer thing we're not done with this but i'm just saying the boblitzer thing was incredible and some of the stuff he said and i think it really drives home um it it completely throws out the window of they had area 51 as just a test site for aircraft because there were things that and i'm not going to go deep into this right now but there were things that um he's seen and he's taking a lot detectors he's done all this stuff that was not and he's one of the smartest engineers on the planet you know he is and he always

has been and and there were things that he's seen and he kind of i guess dealt with that he said there's no person on the face of planet that could possibly engineer that and so there were things that um as an as he was one of the top engineers in the world to know this stuff right oh yeah he was the guy that they he was the guy that they he was the guy that they he was the guy they went to. It wasn't that. But they didn't give him all the information. He only,

they gave him the parts that they wanted to do it. Which was a major part though. I mean, that was the major part. And we're not going to, we're not going to dive deep in that. But the biggest working conspiracy is the area 501 is where the US government stored aliens.

And it was a spacecraft that crashed landed on Earth. And that was the William Mac Brazil guy was who was who actually found that. Yeah. He was a farmer. He discovered metallic rods, keep in mind, pieces of plastic and silvery paper scraps in Roswell. And that was in 1947. We had talked a little bit about that.

And so the story with that is he called the sheriff, who called the military, who carted debris off in armored vehicles. But the secret was out. I mean, and it was captured the imagination of American public. And that's kind of when they initially first came out with this press release, and then they kind of backed off of it. And then so decades, people reported seeing lights after that. So it's like...

And especially like in the New Mexico area, a lot of. lot in the New Mexico area, I think. And there was tons, and keeping in mind, in Area 51, there was, there was tons of employees that filed lawsuits by the workers or workers' families. Because they got sick. Well, they got rashes, respiratory elements, deaths, relates to their job. And they,

and it's so funny because I was reading on one of the lawsuits, one of the lawsuits, they were going against, you know, Area 51 because their doctors can't help them without knowing what they were exposed to, And so they wanted them to tell them what chemicals they're exposed to so they could better treat their patient. And they just kind of brush it under the rug, and they're like, they just missed the case.

So they couldn't even help that guy. I don't remember the guy's name, but I was like, wow, that's crazy. And, you know, I think the worst part about, like, the whole 1947 Roswell thing was the fact the guy came out and kind of fake the footage or whatever he did. You know, but it doesn't, that doesn't explain what the other, well, I'm saying the 1947 footage. It doesn't, I guess, discredit all the eyewitnesses that seen what happened today. It doesn't discredit Mr. Brazil that said what he saw, but then they kind of came out and

said, you know, it was a weather balloon, which obviously it wasn't, you know, they, they were supposedly had some kind of secret mission of whatever. It doesn't matter. The point is, is this bullshit. I 100% believe all that's bullshit. If we don't realize and know the government lies to us by now, I mean, come on. Oh, let me just give you a point to how I know they lie. All right, Apollo 16 mission into space.

Apollo 16? Yeah, look that up on your computer. Yeah. And I'll just tell you the story. So they're going into space. They were taking like photographs of Earth or whatever. survey and sample materials and surface features. Exactly. They accidentally

photographed Area 51. Yeah. And NASA said, well, you know, we're doing this for the public. This is a public thing. And CIA is like, nope, it's not public.

You know, so they went into this battle about if they could release the photos of Area 51. So they went into this big lawsuit, well, not lawsuit, but they went to this battle and it was like a legal thing. So the CIA won and those files were never released.

I'm sure. From the satellite of the astronauts of our own country viewing Area 51 and they're not allowed to show those photos. Why? Not surprising. I mean, is that kind of freaky? No, there was another, there was actually

another, no, I mean, it's it, well, it's not surprising whatsoever. I mean, yeah. But why won't CIA let them release those photos of this, you know. Well, because Russia could see that. Anybody can see them probably from their satellites or their things. But that's why they got massive hangers and so on that they protect all their stuff. I mean, the only thing, the only way you can protect.

So maybe the satellite, you know, when they were in space, they saw something that they don't want people to see. That's possible. I mean, that is possible they could have seen. I mean, but, you know, I don't, when was Apollo 16? I don't know. I wanted you to look that up. Well, I did. I just want to see what year it was.

And the reason I want to see that is because, you know, if they had, let's see, it was it was 1972. So, you know, 1972, you know, I mean, they probably, I know they had hangers then. So obviously, whatever they were working on could have been under hangers, but maybe there was something they didn't want them to see. Maybe it was an experimental aircraft. I don't know. It could have been a UFO.

I don't know. Yeah. But NASA was going against. But if you know this, but if you know this, that you have to understand that when people usually see these, when they see these, you know, UFO sightings for the most part in the desert out in the western part of the United States, it's 98% at night usually. Right. And there's a good reason for that because they, you know, they know the satellites are existent today, right? And so if they're going to take out whatever they're working on, it's going to be at night because, you know, is satellites don't necessarily penetrate darkness.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, they do have certain things that can do that satellite-wise, but it's a lot harder to see stuff satellite-wise without it being during the day. And even more so, they don't want people to see a freaking flying saucer or whatever it is, you know, that's there.

But yeah, so Apollo 16 was in 1972. So there was actually in a report, and this was a little while ago, but there was an eyewitness in Nevada that it was near Area 51 that recorded footage of what appeared to be like a space battle, it seemed like, from what they explained, between several UFOs or unidentified flying objects, that are firing lasers at each other, is what it appeared to be.

The footage shows several bright lights moving in formation in the sky before two rival factions start blasting back and forth at each other with a huge laser volleys that look unlike any weapon regularly used by terrestrial fighter planes. And that was one of the things that were recorded on video. You know, and this person said I was waiting in the car while my buddy went into the store. I noticed about 9 to 10 bright dots in the sky that look like stars. The dots were in the line at approximately a 45 degree angle. All of a sudden they started to move upward on the same angle and it looked like they were attacking each other.

I took the video with my iPhone and it was not retouched in any way. No Photoshop or anything. It was raw footage. And the flash of light certainly looked compelling. And the fact that the driver was near Area 51 at the time makes the story sound all the more impilling. I mean, it was, it was, this happened kind of near Area 51. Well, it's just so funny that you say that because like a lot of the sightings that, like I watched a lot of videos to research this. And a lot of the sightings, it was like multiple, I mean, like in the night.

There's multiple lights and it, it seemed like they were spherical moving around. Yeah. But that comes back to what we're going to do in. part two, which is the reverse engineering. Yeah. So I don't know. It could be.

It plays a huge part in all this guys. I mean, I'm telling you, man, it's a, it's a weird thing because reverse engineering, you know, if you, if there was one explanation for why Area 51 was created or why it is the most secret

place on the planet, it has to be because of reverse engineering. And I think that is the bottom line. Yeah. And reverse. reverse engineering we just we were trying to figure out what you know whatever it is that you know

whatever it is that we can take from whatever it is um and the thing is like you know trump space force now you know um a lot of people don't really talk about that i know if you look up trump space force um you will see a lot of information about um you know trump space force was created because um you know to um i think their official explanation is um it is to have a I guess an advantage or a hand up on our adversaries are, you know, Russia, China, all those. And it is supposedly a way to counteract, you know, nuclear weapons from coming into United States or whatever the case is. Bullshit.

Well, here's the thing with that, though. I'm just saying, I think it's bullshit. But here's the thing with that. the reason that I don't buy that and when you first hear that you may think oh that makes sense the only problem with that story is is that we already have anti-missile

defense systems in place that work very well I mean we have them off the we have major ones off the coast of Hawaii or on the coast of Hawaii Hawaii has some of our biggest missile defense systems there is we have missile defense systems that first of all anything that travels

to the United States as a nuclear warhead has to interspace first. You know, it's the intercontinental ballistic missile. And those missiles typically have to enter space to be able to make the journey. Okay? So it's the same thing we were talking about earlier about aircraft flying at high altitudes for fuel. Right. For fuel reserve. These missiles have to enter space and able to enter the atmosphere to come back.

And it's also the easiest way to protect those missiles from being shot down. because, see, our missile defense systems, you know, they have to basically work from the time the missile is kind of over our area. Even, it could be in space, but that's when they kind of start working, right? But supposedly to Trump Space Forces, you know, to have some kind of BS, whatever, it's bullshit, it's not true. There's no way that Trump Space Force is going to be built because of that. the weird thing is like Trump's one of those you know off the wall kind of dudes whether you love him whether you hate him he's a guy that is not a politician

he's a guy that's kind of like you know he tells it like it is no matter what it is it's on his mind and it would be hard for me to believe that someone would go to Trump and be like hey Trump by the way I don't know if we told you this but we actually do have aliens Area 51 and I know this is going to be crazy shit to think about but I just want to let you know and he's like well shit we got to get a space force

It was like That's like his first thought Well shit Like we have to get a space force That'll be like the coolest thing ever Can we get like some really cool like planes and shit Like to fly in space? I mean that's like what I hear

But like I'm not saying this the case But I'm just saying that Trump's space force And then you know We got this flying object through space And people were saying well that's not flying like an object You know Or not space but you know

In our Galaxy there's a lot of weird stuff out there and like I said I think they're trying to soften the public to kind of start telling them look there's in my opinion there's no questioners aliens and I believe

that our story on this and part two is going to be amazing I can't go into the Bob Lazar thing I mean you can look it up all you want but we've man we have like researched and done a lot of digging this is 60 years at the making right now and it's going on right now. It is. In my opinion,

it's going on right now. This is going to happen like in the very near future. Like something, like something's going to happen. Yeah, I don't know that, I think something's going to come out.

Yeah, I mean, something, yeah, I believe something, well, I don't know. I mean,

who knows. I mean, it all depends on, you know, how bad they really want to. But really, it's been, it's been hidden for 60 years.

You know, our parents didn't, our grandparents didn't, our grandparents didn't, get to know but I think we will know we will know well Bob Lazar and I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna start this conversation before we end it we got about five or six minutes before we end this this episode and guys we we do have some other stuff you know we want to try to keep this at a two-part series we definitely have a lot of stuff we could cover on this I mean a ton

we also want people to comment on like yeah things they know about things they want to hear about things that you want to talk about. Like we would love to have like guest speakers come on here. Oh yeah. For sure. You know, for sure. Yeah. And I mean, yeah.

And we want to, like I said, we want to have a part one, part two. And then we want to have a third episode to where you guys call in. You guys talk to us about what you, what your thoughts are on everything. I think that'll be one of the most interesting things to kind of have you involved. But, you know, we have a lot of stuff. I mean, we have all the conspiracy theories we can talk about. We have Area 51 exists. and kind of what people believe about it.

We have the different aircraft programs, which I don't think are that important. We've kind of covered most of those. You know, we've got the 1947 incident, which we've already talked about. And there's been a lot of stuff surrounding that, even stuff we haven't even mentioned since then. I mean, all the different occurrences and encounters.

Yeah, and there might be even eyewitnesses to some of this. Yeah, and there's possible, yeah. Who knows? And some of you may be looking up conspiracy there. Some of you may be looking up Area 51 to find us. And definitely, if you do, I don't care if it's after we're done with this episode. We can always kind of come back to stuff. So keep that in mind.

But Bob Lazzar, and I'm going to only kind of just get into this, and then we're going to save the rest of this. And I think it's the most compelling part of this story. I think it is definitely, in my opinion, concrete evidence that UFOs were, or has been worked on or has been dealt with by the United States government. Even the Pentagon spending money on that. but then Bob Lazare, I think, is a very, very credible source. You know, I wouldn't think that necessarily when he first came out.

Right. But then the more you know about the story that we're going to talk about in part two of this. We have other sources to back his source up. Yeah, I mean, there's tons, yeah. But he was born in 1959, and he claims to have worked on reverse engineering, extraterrestrial technology at a site called S4 that was near Area 51, Texas. facility and claims that UFOs use gravity wave propulsion. According to Lazar, they are powered by the element 115. He further claims to have read U.S. government brief in documents that

described alien involvement in human affairs over the past 10,000 years, and LeVar claims that it resulted in bringing the secret Area 51 site to attention to the public. And so Bob Lazar kind of really got this Area 51 on the map. So it's the 1947 thing. That didn't get the Area 51 on the map. Bob Lazare kind of coming out and saying, hey, this is what happened. And we're not going to say whether it's true or not. We're going to leave that to part two.

But universities for which he claimed to hold degrees show no record of him. But you may think, just by me saying that, you may think like, oh, well, then he's got to be a fake. No, that's not the case. He owns and runs a scientific supply company. And in 1990, he was convicted of a felony. but definitely one of the smartest guys on the freaking planet and just based on people that worked with him and this and that and this and that and everything else

it's unquestionable that his story is backed up by so many different things. People. Yep. And it needs to be told. Yeah. Which I mean his story has been told. Yeah.

And I think that we, you know, as an audience, we need to like talk about it and see what you think. I think, well, I think in 2019, you know, things are different now. You know, Bob Lazard, when he first told his story. That was in the 1980s, I think. Yeah, 1980, yeah, I believe so. You know, when he first told a story, you know, that was one of the things that, you know, he... It was far-fetched.

It was far-fetched thing. Now it's not so much. It's not, but it didn't get as big because there's not social media and there's not podcast and there's not YouTube and there's not all these things. and we want we want this part of the story to be big because we think it is

we think it's definitely something that is worth coming back for part two you know we really want to just kind of run down area 51 in a hole on the first episode and area and

episode number two we're going to really getting down to what the proof I mean in my opinion I think it's the proof I wouldn't say that about every conspiracy and you're going to find out

I mean we're going to talk about conspiracy I don't necessarily 100% believe. You know, I mean, and that's kind of the thing. But yeah, I think I'm excited about Part 2. Oh, yeah, for sure. Can't wait. Well, guys, we thank you so much.

This is going to be it for Part 1. We thank you guys so much. Be sure to share this podcast, download it, follow us. You know, wherever you listen to us, whether it's iTunes, Spreaker, Stitcher, tune in iheart and wherever it is um be sure to subscribe be sure to follow us um our our host in our home is spreeker so um if you guys want to download the spreeker app um it's free in the um either i tunis store or google play um you can download the app you can follow us on there um all you got to do um the name of our actual network you know is do without fear um media so if you go to spreeker

you can type and do without fear you will find us you will find our shows right now this is the show but we're going to have a couple more shows on murder or murder mystery um and then we're also going to do some survival stuff which is going to be awesome um i love survival stuff sherry you do not as much but um sherry's very she's she's the murder mystery girl so um she's going to have some very interesting stories on that um but be sure to follow us wherever you're listening to us and be sure to download us comment um we're going to try to put this on YouTube. We don't have the video thing worked out right now, but, you know, podcasts are more about audio anyway, right? But we thank you so much for tuning in. We cannot wait to have you guys

back for part two. And part two is going to be Bob Lazar. But thank you for listening to Area 51 declassified. Yeah, and have a marvelous week.