Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Ashton Forbes Responds | MH370, Hal Puthoff Joe Rogan Interview, Immaculate Constellation & Secret UFO Tech

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

In this powerful episode, MH370 lead investigator Ashton Forbes joins us to respond directly to Dr. Hal Puthoff’s recent claims on The Joe Rogan Experience — including what might really lie behind decades of secret research into exotic propulsion and recovered non-human craft. We also dive deep into the Weaponized podcast interview with whistleblower Matthew Brown, where hosts Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp uncover chilling details about the mysterious “Immaculate Constellation” program. Ashton breaks down how these revelations may tie into the MH370 case — and what they could mean for the broader UFO phenomenon and hidden government tech. If you're ready for the connections no one else is making, this episode is your red pill.

I didn't mean what I told you, but you took it to heart. Wish I could take you back to get a new start. I apologize at least a hundred times. You never heard my perspective or took my advice. Hello and welcome to Investigator Earth Podcast. I'm your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we have a very, very special guest back on the show. We've had Ashton on.

I don't know how many times on this show. And I think he came on about a year and a half ago when he started his investigative work about the MH370 case. And we are very honored to have what I believe is the most influential investigator in history, especially about something so crazy as the disappearance of an entire airliner. We're talking about Flight MH370. Ashton, welcome back to the show. Hey, how's it going, Chad?

I don't know about that huge, you know, intro. but I'll take it. Thank you. I'll take the praise where I can get it. Well, honestly, Ashton, I do refer to you as the future Einstein on many of our episodes, especially when we're talking about UFOs and technology and zero force in G. I better live up to it then. So what are we digging into tonight? Who do I have to criticize here tonight? Let's see. I know. Well, Ashton, so the last couple of days, we actually broke down the Hal Putoff Joe Rogan interview. And that was the day before yesterday. And then last night, we talked to, about the Matthew Brown interview on the Weaponized podcast, where he specifically talks about

the Immaculate Constellation. Now, the number one thing is, I know that I have heard you mention Hal Putoff over the past year. And the only reason, by the way, before Joe Rogan, I ever even knew the name, how Putoff, was because of you. And to be quite honest with you, I know there's a lot of people that probably out there know who Hal Putoff is. But I actually think that you kind of brought Hal Putoff's name out there more than Joe

Rogan did ever before the interview a week ago. And I've saw so many comments in various spaces where they said, I actually didn't know who Hal Puttoff was until Ashton Forbes. So let me first start with this. How Putoff said a lot of things on the Gerrogan podcast. And one of the main things we covered the other night was remote viewing. And then he gets into the UFO topic. Can you just give me a brief synopsis on is how Putoff credible?

Obviously, he worked with the CIA. He worked in UFO, UAP type research, and also, obviously, he was one of the founders or forefathers, I guess, of remote viewing. Is Hal Putoff as smart as people probably think he is after a Jer Rogan interview? How credible is he? And what did you think about the interview in general? Yeah, great question. So I thought it was a good interview. I think that Hal Putoff is a credible source.

And I think he is a trained spook and he's very careful about exactly which words he says. and during the interview he rehashes a lot of stories that he said on other podcasts and this is kind of I think how people get around having to answer organic questions is that they have these pre-can story responses for everything but at the same time he's actually probably even smarter than people think I think he's just a straight-up genius he if anybody he's the real Einstein honestly and he's 88 years old so it was probably a last opportunity for somebody as big as Joe Rogan to interview somebody as influential as him and I think he's probably even more important mind the scenes than the world will ever know.

He's publicly said that he's going to go to his grave with the secrets that he has for national security. And the main takeaway from the interview for me was near the end when Hal Pudov just straight up says who what he and the group he's associated with is trying to do is that they're trying to take this super advanced technology and information potentially about extraterrestrials or non-human intelligence, they say, and allow out to the public what is not a risk national security. And he even says that they were worried that adversaries were going to figure it out,

but it's been several decades now. It seems like the adversaries haven't really figured it out. So now they're okay with the public getting a few crumbs here and there. And also says that with that Schumer-Rounds amendment, that they were basically trying to get amnesty for people. so that they could come out and not be afraid that the law was going to come down on them for the crimes and stuff they committed. And to the last part, I almost threw up. So the first thing I want to make clear to everybody out there, everybody listening, is that this is where I stand in stark contrast to what I call the woke disclosure people that want to get all their buddies out of jail for all this evil stuff they've been doing, which potentially includes teleporting civilian airliners so that we can have.

some little crumbs of the technology that they're hiding behind the scenes. Like, no, I'm not down with that. No amnesty. Yeah, what did you think, by the way, when Hal Putoff specifically talked about that airliner, or not even airliner, it was a bomber in Africa that went down. And they used remote viewing. Yeah, they used remote viewing to find that Russian bomber. And do you think to yourself like, well, why could you not use remote viewing to find

MH370? Like, if it's that easy, why can you not just bring your guys on and be like, hey, where's the MH370, guys? That was the exact question I was going to ask Ashton is if they can find this bomber, why didn't they find this missing airline that you've been investigating? Well, for one, the United States government definitely knows where the airliner is, no question. And the other thing is with the remote viewing side, a lot of people, actually, some remote

viewers who are listening would probably say they did. There were several people that did do remote viewing on MH370. I never really promoted it too much because I'm not, I'm more into the physical evidence type situation when possible. But the remote viewing thing for me is interesting. It was interesting to listen to Hal explain it. I thought that was the least credible aspect in the entire interview because his answer for like getting pressed on it was basically, well, here's a story of a time where

we had to find something. This guy came in and he drew a picture and it was like vaguely similar to the thing. And so therefore that's proof it worked. Like, uh, okay. To me, that's not really enough. And, but I do think that the content. The reason why Hal was doing that and why he got involved in zero point energy, there is a connection there. And it's going to be consciousness or the idea that space time is not a distance is an illusion.

But space time is not empty and that there's this field out there potentially connecting everything, including our consciousness, our thoughts. And if that's the case, then things like remote viewing become within the realm of physical possibility. And that's why Hal Pudoff was a guy who was saying, you know, physicists don't get involved in the UFO stuff because it seemed just kind of kooky. It's like, dude, you were, you were doing remote viewing. How are you going to say something like that? You know, it's because there is a physical basis for this. Yeah.

And that's what connects it to MH370 is that this idea that there is potentially wormhole is the same idea that, at least in concept of how somebody could use their mind and see something. thing remotely at a distance. And this is connected through the physical principle that we call ER equals EPR. Einstein Rosen equals Einstein Rosen Poldowski, which is a wormhole, macroscopic wormhole is potentially equivalent to a quantum entanglement event. To even put it more simply, what quantum tunneling is, is if you take a semiconductor and then you have a insulator and then another semiconductor, the electrons can jump the gap through the insulator, which should be impossible, like literally going through a wall.

You would say you can't go through a wall. It's not possible. But they do it. How? How is that quantum tunneling happening? That's the same concept as a wormhole. Somehow, it seems impossible, but somehow you're jumping through space. Well, let me kind of, I guess, expand on this just a little bit.

So on the podcast where we talked and discussed and broke down the Halputov remote viewing section of this, what do you think about when he said that we brought some of the remote viewers down into the ocean in submarines? Because we thought, hey, if there is some type of wavelength or electromagnetic field or whatever these people are tapping into, that's how they're starting to see some of these things. And so we brought them down to the ocean. And they were still scoring very high numbers. they were right on. Let's just say, for example, that the remote viewing thing is real. And these people are able to actually see things outside of their bodies, whether it's their spirits.

I don't know exactly how that goes. But how do you explain that at all? Like if remote viewing is real and it isn't connected somehow through our brainwaves or into kind of the, I don't know, ether, I don't know what you would call it. But how do you explain how these people would be able to do that? Yeah. And I think that that's why the remote viewing part's not even the most important part. If you just want to hear fantastic stories, then the remote viewing part's great.

And I listen to the whole thing. The part where it starts to get juicy is when around 155 and Halaputov says that, you know, they've had it all figured out and it's never really been about aliens or that he explains the scientific concepts and says that, you know, Sokharov theorized that this zero point energy could explain gravity. We knew zero point energy existed, but we didn't know why was it important. Maybe this zero point energy is spacetime itself. And then so Poodoff, along with HESH and Ruta, came up with this idea that they basically expanded on Einstein's equations, expanded this concept known as extended electrodynamics, EED, unifying electricity, electric charge with relativity. And they said, this spacetime energy explains gravity, inertia, and mass.

So why are we heavy? Why can we not accelerate to the speed of light? Oh, this zero point energy is what prevents us. It's what resists acceleration. And that part of the interview is the part that explains the remote viewing part. It's that same zero point energy that could make it possible. And Pudoff expands upon it. and talks about his quantum entanglement.

He goes, this is something I actually figured out. And this was the biggest part of the interview, which probably no one caught, other than people who are very attuned to who Hal Putoff is. He says, in the early 90s, I was a classified contract to work on quantum communication system. He's talking about his quantum communication patent. And I basically pulled Hal Putoff into the limelight because I knew this guy had to be super connected to this advanced technology of the government. has. And here he is saying, boom, the reason why I made that was from a classified contract that

I got from somebody. And it was a hugely controversial patent because he was saying that he can basically do Morris code through quantum perturbations in the ether that have no electromagnetic wave at all. And you would say, no, that's impossible. Without an electromagnetic wave, you can't, how do you transmit a call or a signal without electromagnetic wave? But there are scientific experiments that have shown that you can. The Aaron-Hoff-Bome effect shows that there is still potentials in the absence of electromagnetic fields. So then he even explains and expands upon this in the interview, which is why this is the most

important part. He says that transmitting the signals is actually the easy part. And that he's probably referring there to phase conjugated scalar waves like Tom Bearden talked about, like you guys probably talk about in like Antarctica and other like harp, other directed energy web and the type of stuff. Usually they're talking about scalar waves. Producing the beam is the easy part. He says the receiver was the hard part.

The receiver is. And you think about it's like, yeah, you actually have to, what are you looking for when there's no wave, when there's no electromagnetic wave? You're looking for a perturbation. So you need something that can detect those and recognize the signal that you're sending. Recognize the message. And then you can do Morris code. And so he explains that. And he says that he worked on all this, but the problem was he sheds.

delved it for 30 years, which this is the part I would say bullshit. More than likely, I imagine he sold it to a defense contractor, and then he just doesn't talk about it now, just gets paid for it and doesn't care what they do with it. And then he says, you know, waiting for the technology to catch up, and now he's doing it again. And this was crazy because recently I was watching, I think it was an APEC, they do these demonstrations, these physics demonstrations. and this guy Gary Stevenson, who I was familiar with from some gravity wave papers, he's doing a presentation about a microchip that is potentially going to be used for quantum

communications. And he name drops Hal Putoff and says Hal Putoff might be interested in this. So when Joe Rogan said that like a week later after I saw that clip, I went, what the heck? Like what is actually going on here? There might be a whole underground of like contractors and stuff working on advanced stuff like this and they're just literally like on YouTube showing it off and and ashton have you thought about because i've thought about this too joe rogan at one point time you communicated with joe rogan back and forth and you were going to go on a show and it seems like after that he brought on some dude that

knows not a damn thing i think it was well let's just put it this way let me let me rephrase it a little bit he asked jeremy corbel if uh what you were saying was true and jeremy corbell was like no, that's bullshit. And then Joe was like, okay, well, I won't have them on. But it seems like subsequently to you talking to Joe, he's had so many people on around the conversation of zero point energy, the plasma orbs, the everything else that's trying to explain it in certain ways. But why would he not have you on, which has been one of the driving forces of this conversation?

And as I said earlier, I never knew who Hal Poo, was before you, there are probably thousands, if not millions of people that did not know who how Putoff was until Ashton Forbes came along. And not only how put off, no one was talking about zero point energy or any of this shit whatsoever until you started to investigate in May 370. I promise you, no one was talking about that. They may have been on the kind of the, you know, the back burner or whatever. But what I'm telling you is that Joe Rogan started to bring on all these various people

that started talking about zero point energy and this and that. Do you think that the reason why Joe maybe doesn't want to bring you on is because you might expose some stuff that someone's going to have to then come and defend or maybe negate? Because it seems like even with someone like Hal Putoff, he worked alongside the CIA for a long time. He was over a lot of their very, very clandestine programs. And so it's, and I've always thought this about. Mike Baker, you know, the CIA guy that used to go on Joe Rogan, he still goes on Joe Rogan. And it's almost like a controlled information release.

And maybe that's why they don't want you on because then when you come on, you're not necessarily controlled. And by the way, Ashton, there's been a lot of our listeners that ask us on a regular basis if you are controlled in some way, shape, or form. Has someone reached out to you and said, hey, quit talking about UFOs, quit talking about the UIP thing, push this narrative. rather than this. Do I sound controlled? I think if anything, I'm about as far from control as you could possibly be. And that's a great point because how do you know the difference?

And for me, I constantly wonder if people like Joe Rogan, Avi Loeb, other people that I know to be pretty smart or like attuned to being fed bullshit or not, I'm trying to understand are they on the payroll, are they being told to cover up for national security, which is the thing that Hal put off and the entire woke disclosure crew are all about.

They're saying, we're never going to harm national security. Well, I'm sitting here, I'm harming national security. I'm not going to beat around the bush. The videos being real are harming national security in a way that's never been harmed before, ever. So I could see a world where absolutely they're told not to talk to me. I think it's just crazy where, you know, how many people is Joe Rogan said no to to go on a podcast after he said yes, you know, like that just seems super rare. I don't think many.

What is it that I'm doing that's so scary? And then the other side of his, okay, well, maybe they just think I'm a huckster or something. How does that make any sense? I'm selling nothing, not even a book. Not even selling a book. Most people, they go on, they only go on podcasts to sell books and things like that. So I'm talking about a plane that's still missing, you know? So it's like, it just seems kind of weird to try to grasp.

why he wouldn't be. I think that it'll happen at some point. My true opinion is that he's not on the payroll. I think that my true opinion is just that, you know, he was convinced by some of the debunks of the videos have to be fake. Therefore, he doesn't want to give, you know, weight to the idea that they might be real. And I think that as time goes on and people get more comfortable with this idea that we really do have plasma orbs and other very, very advanced technology. He'll probably rethink that, but I don't know. And can I ask you, has your opinion on UFOs and aliens changed since our first

episode? Because our first episode together was when you first started all this. And we had asked you about this. And I think actually, the more you investigated M.S. 30 and advanced technology, the more maybe you swayed or I guess swayed away from the UFO alien technology aspect of it, even maybe. Maybe if it's just what we're seeing in the skies, some of the stuff we see militarily, some of the Fleer videos that F-18 pilots on a regular basis are now almost showing,

whether it be the TikTok video or whatever, has your opinion over the past year changed in any way? Have you went further away from the UFO technology? And what do you believe about UFOs? I mean, do you believe that this is where we got the technology from? Yeah, and it's great because you are the first. people I ever spoke to. So, and the reason why I wanted to do it all was like, if this was real early on, especially before I knew, it was like, okay, we should, I want to make sure I record all this because who knows what will happen in terms of my opinion and things like that. And I still remember

the first time we spoke, I was sure we were looking at aliens zapping a plane out of the sky. And I was adamant that they annihilated it. And so, yeah, my opinion has changed a lot since then. And what, what I did was said, okay, I want to be completely unbiased about. about what the answer to this is, you know, after I made that kind of jump to rush to judgment and decided to start investigating seriously. And now my opinion is that no doubt, no question, humanity has figured out this technology. My personal opinion is the how Poodov's telling the truth that we, it's been reverse engineered, probably from being dug up, but also potentially from crashes that were,

you know, we either knocked them out of the sky, which is not. impossible, by the way, guys, it's actually probably trivial. If they're just using gravity waves, you just hit them with a gravity wave and they're just going to fall out of the sky. So, yeah, I think it probably comes from, I don't know about extraterrestrial, but because if you can say teleport and distance is no longer a problem, then we should be finding flying saucers and other weird advanced technology buried in our own Earth from a billion years ago or something like that.

Yeah. And to your point with like your research on the, whether we black holes, the micro black holes or whatever you're referring to that as, if we have this technology, then how in the hell would, you know, if there was another alien life form and in a faraway planet, there are billions of years more advanced than we are. Obviously, they would have been able to figure this out, right? Yeah, no question. And this is the part about the science is now that I'm getting after about, you. a year and a half of research in science every day. I've lost count of how many scientific papers I read. You can see a lot of it in my live streams,

if you doubt my improvement of knowledge of physics, is that they had to have figured it out. It turns out there's several Nobel prizes. They're going to be won just from the science on display in the MH370 videos. So zero point energy is basically the only explanation for an ultraviolet release of photon. and we now know that's the reason why the zap we see is black in the thermal. Ultraviolet light is non-thermal. It's black and thermal.

And that's why we see this flash in the satellite video. And that also means that satellite video is not optical because ultraviolet light's not visible in optical. So if you were looking at that, you wouldn't even see the flash potentially, watching that plane disappear. And that right there, a Nobel Prize. The other Nobel Prize is the fact that a wormhole is a black hole.

What even is a black hole? What I learned when researching a black hole is that black hole and wormholes come from the exact same source. I think it's John Archibald Wheeler for both of them, actually. And it's just them trying to understand Einstein's space time topology. So the shape of spacetime itself. And then we're just realizing we can make shortcuts. Why not?

Of course we can. So did this plane shortcut to somewhere else and where, where did it go? It would just be a shortcut in our spatial dimension. But then there's obviously theories where there can be ultra different universes. And therefore different dimensions if you want to think of it like that. So the reason why I think it's still on Earth was because those phones were ringing. We found some pieces, a few pieces of debris, but not enough to prove a plane crashed, which is pretty weird. So I think that that plane definitely ended up on Earth.

Earth. And I think that if that's human technology, I even started to piece together. Like, not only are you going to win these Nobel Prizes for this future technology, we're going to learn that like wormholes are actually black holes and that like space time will like collapse on itself and like correct itself, like as fast as you saw in that video, like the flash of like blink of an eye, but you can also like piece back when they figured this out. Yeah. At this point, I'm highly confident that they figured out the plasma Orbs in like the 90s. And they started taking off in like the early 2000s.

And then right after that, I think they almost hit like a technology singularity where they then figured out that the plasma orbs could be used like magnetic inverters and just locked together in a perfect triangle. And they may have known that way ahead of time. And then they just figured out like that they can use this like three. It's like a three phase electrical engineering cycle when you see the orb spinning around the plane. And it's almost like winding up.

something, you know, winding it up and then boom. And however they figured that out, my guess is AI, just started figuring out all these answers for them. And they have a secret AI that's just way advanced beyond the public. Yeah. And most people don't realize that like we have AI now, but the military and government have had AI to some degree for a very long time. I mean, even algorithms in social media is AI technically. It is a pattern of recognition of mathematical or language equation. to where it then builds upon those equations. And I think that even with algorithms since social media started was an algorithm, in my opinion, to control social or economic circumstances.

Right. So AI, the way we think about it is, you know, we seem like it's so far advanced today. And it's like, oh, my God, we just, now we have AI. We've had AI for a long time. But Ashton, I want to get you to react to this particular clip. It's only two minutes. But you're actually reacting to this clip in real time. And if you guys get reacting to me, it's perfect.

Yes. Well, you don't say anything I think in this clip. But the funny thing is if you guys want to see the clip I'm talking about, just go to Ashton Forbes YouTube or sorry, not YouTube, but X channel, Just X, Ashton. And you can see the clip that we're playing here. But I want you to react to this on the show. Listen. I couldn't care less where these days are coming from, what they're in touch of where.

They're really worried about the possibility of an adversary getting ahead of us. So that was the driving force behind the whole program. Now having all these intervening years go by, and there hasn't been any obvious super breakthrough by adversaries, I think now is the time we could have a kind of reconciliation process, make sure we don't put everybody in jail in anything to do with covering this up, provide proper lanes to bring various aspects of information forward. And so that's what I and colleagues that I interact with are trying to do today.

Wow. Hal Pudoff just threw it all out there in that interview. I don't know. People ignored that part, but Howe Putoff right there is saying that we've had this technology. We have given it to defense contractors. They can't reveal it because they would get sued. And he's trying to reveal the tech, not just him, but him and the whole group of woke disclosure, their entire group, Lou Alizando, Ross Colhart, Chris Mellon, Gary Nolan, all those people.

They are all just trying to figure out what they can. can reveal that will not damage national security? That's what you heard him say right there. They're trying to figure out what can we reveal that won't damage national security and they want to make sure that nobody will be accountable for the crimes that they committed. Is that not a fair assessment of what he just said? I just changed the words. This is the anger translator.

I actually, I can't even be the anger translator because I hate what I'm hearing so much. It's the antithesis of everything I stand for. So let me just be straight with everybody out there. there's going to be no fucking amnesty for the people that are teleporting airplanes and hiding physics from us. If you're out there and you know we can produce negative energy and you're just producing free energy out there and you're hiding that, there ain't going to be no amnesty. It's going to be the guillotine. So you should have passed that Schumer rounds amendments or whatever the hell it was. Sorry, I love this.

And if anything about this, that is. as they sped up Ashton, just so you know, and Hal Puttov as well. And so. Yeah, not on speed and that. And that really happened. So the interesting thing about this is what, what Halputov is essentially saying here and what you're talking about. And you've mentioned this a couple of times on this show.

Ready, woke disclosure. What does that mean? Yeah, this is what I call this half-ass attempt that they're trying to do. Like, what does wokeness do? It ruins everything. It ruins everything. And they try to get, they just try to make it more complicated than it needs to be. So to me, what they're doing is pretty clear.

They people like Hal Putoff know the truth. They know the real truth. So all this crap that's coming forward from their side about, is it aliens? We can't understand this alien technology. This is all just basically bullshit. This is bullshit for the masses, for them to absorb and clap their hands over the same way we clap when Elon Musk shoots up another rocket or lands a rocket on a platform or whatever. And instead, they do that because it distracts. you. That's the dangling keys in front of you. Oh, yeah. When's the next whistleblower going to drop?

It's going to tell us that aliens are real for the 15th time with zero evidence whatsoever again. And we're supposed to just believe them because they're credible and they came from the military or intel or whatever. And what are they avoiding? What's the thing they keep saying, oh, they're they admit they're hiding something for national security. So what is it? I'll tell you what it is. it's free energy. That those plasma balls represent an understanding of physics, negative energy, really what a black hole and wormhole are, and they understand the real answer to the photoelectric effect.

Einstein's biggest blunder was the thing he won a Nobel Prize for. There is no photon. There is no particle of light. It was always just a wave. The photoelectric effect is just a resonance effect. That's all that it was all along. So does that kind of go back to Nikola Tesla, the free energy aspect? Like how brilliant was Nikola Tesla when it comes to your investigative work with these plasma

orbs? Does that have anything to do with that? A hundred percent it does. He knew what zero point energy was before quantum mechanics existed. We didn't know zero point energy wasn't proven until 1948. Nikola Tesla in 1891 was saying there's energy everywhere and people in the future are going to harness energy just from space. People thought he was a crazy person, 1891, saying that he called it radiant energy. He also knew you could just harness energy from the rotation of the Earth.

And that was recently proven that we can actually just harness energy from the rotation of Earth due to the asymmetry of that magnetic field. Incredible. So, yes, this definitely goes back to Tesla. And Tesla is also the one that invented three-phase alternating current, the stuff that we still use today. So he understood the origins of electricity and energy. And all energy most likely just comes from the zero point energy field all the time. So if light is not a particle, what does that mean for the light in the room? That means the light in the room is a disturbance in the medium.

It doesn't mean it's a particle flying. It means it's an excitement in the medium that's happening. Yeah. If you think about the world that way, everything changes. And now all of a sudden, what was teleportation that seemed impossible becomes possible. And there's one more patent I want to bring up here as well, which is the coherent matter wave beam patent. This is going to be another one of those things that, like, I'm not the only guy, but one of the only people pushing forward for the masses out here, the type of advanced technology they're hiding. at one of this was a patent that I've been talking about related to MH370 because it seems like

the type of device that would be needed to teleport something is basically taking solid matter and condensing it down to a single point down to a wave you would say what you say that can't be real no it's very real Lockheed Martin patent it did patented it back in 2013 and now the patent holder just like a couple weeks ago ran was talking about and explaining exactly what it does. And oh boy, does it do some stuff? One million times more powerful than a laser. Wow.

Our lasers are already really, really powerful. So if you're adding six more zeros onto the end of the power nipfulness of the lasers, you're definitely hitting the point where we can start, you know, manipulating space time in terms of energy density. Now, and the other two, and actually, real quick, two last things are that, it has the ability for nanoscale manufacturing by sending transmitting like atomic atoms one by one so potentially you can make a microchip like to exactly what you want to be able to produce at a

metamaterial level which is what we would need for like a UFO and then the last thing that it's used for is just vaguely transporting at matter at a distance okay presumably teleportation go No. So, I mean, and here's the thing about this, right? So you understand that, you know, Nikola Tesla was huge. Do you know about his mindset and where Nikola Tesla always used to say that I was given these visions that I would wake up and I would have these visions of my head to where I could literally replicate these things. Whatever I was trying to put into, I guess, physical reality, whether it was the towers or. the free energy concept, everything as far as the electrical engineering side of his free energy. And he always consistently said, I was given these visions. I mean, it wasn't something I necessarily felt I was smart at. I was given visions to. I was almost in some ways, almost in some ways, yeah, being prophesized.

Like, here's what you need to do. And for most people who don't realize, Nikola Tesla, there's over seven or 800 massive things that we still use today that go back to Nikola Tesla. When you grow up in school and you think about the light bulb, Edison and the Wright brothers and flight and so many other concepts that we feel like are the foundation blocks of the society we live in today. But if you actually look at it, Nikola Tesla was foundational in so many things that we have today. I mean, whether it's radio, helicopters, you name it. There's so much stuff. But he used to always say that, hey, I was given this vision.

we don't usually ashton talk about like spiritual stuff but is is any of this stuff in your mind spiritual god given talents uh prophecies visions things that people are harnessing because of maybe some of these visions what is your belief on that stuff yeah i've never said but i got a vision from the future uh future aliens send me a vision uh you know what i don't mean to belittle it because sure people get whatever and my good buddy dave actually you know says that he got all his knowledge from blue aliens but i think that's just a cover because he's like reverse aged himself or something i just don't believe people can have that much knowledge um but no for me i i it was just good old fashion investigated work for how i've been able to learn and research stuff and i think that's what it is

for most people i think we will just kind of attribute their own skills and their own knowledge to whatever and you can imagine though in a situation because i think about it all the time in which like you're aware of this profound understanding of the universe, but it's like goes against all mainstream norms. That's happened throughout history repeatedly. And I, it was actually as crazy as how put off used the same analogy that I've been using. A little bit different form though. He said like, you know, if you give Da Vinci, uh, I don't know, I don't think he said iPhone or usually iPhone is the example.

It's like, he could maybe like understand some aspects of it, but it would be like well beyond him. He wouldn't even know what plastic is. He wouldn't even know how to make the casein of the iPhone. He wouldn't even know what an electromagnetic wave is because it was way before that. So you have to realize if you're looking at technology that's way beyond where you're currently at, it's going to look impossible to you. But that doesn't make it impossible. And then the interesting part to think about for me, the thought experiment is, well,

how long would it take Da Vinci to figure it out? And here's the big thing. This is the most important thing for people to do. understand. How does technology advance? It's not you instantly advance to the level of your understanding of science. That's not how the world really works. Your tools advance along with the understanding of science, almost like a ladder, up a step at a time. Your tools get better. Your science gets better. Your tools get better. Your science gets better. Your tools get better. Your science gets better. And that's still happening right now. And that's what's happening with

microchips right now is they're getting better and better on microchips to get it down smaller and smaller until you're building things at the atomic level, and now you can make elements and meta materials to the exact specifications that you want for your properties. So I don't know how long it would take Da Vinci, but I think that's what's been happening for us and potentially happening for a long time. So to just loop this back to my thing about no amnesty, well, what does that mean for where we're at right now? What it means is that they've been hiding this for probably 80 years, if we're going back

to Roswell, maybe longer than that. Yeah. And now it's starting to become widespread. The dam's breaking. They can see there's cracks. That thing's going to break any second. Everyone's going to figure out that we've been lying. And now they want amnesty.

Now they want to pass bills to shirk from responsibility for all the shit for they've been hiding all this for this long, maybe killing people and all this stuff. Hell, no. No way in hell. I'm going to be advocating against any bill they try to pass. And it's funny because the people that are hiding it are also on the side. they don't want to be exposed, but it's coming out one way or another. The problem is the same AI that led to them doing the crazy stuff with the orbs is going to

eventually become public, too. And they can only gaslight the people for so long before the AI is like, no, here's all the solutions. Just go do it. Go make your own plasma orbitals are floating around. Let me ask you talking about these plasmas. And you pretty much have proven that these plasmas can teleport an airplane with that in mind. and knowing that you think this technology came from us,

do you think they have a secret program where they're actually teleporting people to different places, to different dimensions? Yeah. I mean, you're pretty much asking, do they have like a Stargate program or something like that? Or let's say what, SSP secret space program? Probably.

I mean, if they've got stuff like that, why not? I guess the question is how far have they advanced it? Now, you know, we're in the realm, speculation, but fine. For me, the thing about it is always the weirdest is that it seems like that was like an early iteration of that kind of teleportation tech. Like they were only teleporting it like a thousand miles. Because in theory, a teleportation could go anywhere.

They could send it to the moon. They could send it to Zetorotikuli, right? I mean, why is there a limit? And that's a big question. Why is there a limit? And that's where my namesake comes into play, four orbs. What if they have to have an entangled orb? somewhere else that equalizes the charges of the other three orbs.

This is just basic. And because the more we look at these videos, the more just comes down to simple electrical engineering. The concepts aren't actually hard. They're very simple. Everything is very geometric, like the perfect triangle shape, the way the orbs converge in the plane equal, like perfectly at the same time as well. So if there's a fourth orb, that would mean you would need that orb somewhere else to

direct the location of the plane. In fact, I think they're vectoring on the plane. and the reason why the orbs are vertically spinning around the plane at the end is because they've locked into the location of the plane, which is directly backwards. Yeah. And so that's how you can actually tell the direction of the plane and where the fourth orb is. But they potentially are using that to figure out how do we change it? How do we improve it? And you could imagine a scenario where they could, in theory, build a Stargate using that and have a portal that can just open or even be permanently open.

Who knows? Well, the sky is basically the limit. And then this is where, you know, I think that there is legitimate arguments to be made about our adversary's not having this. I mean, the big moral question is, okay, how does this play out? Is it like the first person that gets this just wins and everybody else just dies? Like, how do you maintain this? Because this little technology is so powerful that you can't really let there can't be more than one king. You know what I'm saying?

Well, that leads us to the next topic, Ashton, because you let it right in. And we let it also in the last episode. We're talking about Matthew Brown, Immaculate Constellation. And when you go and listen to the entire first part, I don't know why Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp did not release the whole damn interview in one, but they didn't. They had a part one, part two. And I think everything there is needed to know is in part one. But as they go through the process with Matthew Brown, the new whistleblower that has found

the file essentially of immemate. Aemuculate Constellation. He wrote the paper, 12-page paper on Immaculate Constellation. The Schreiber War game was the initial thing he found in the system, the secret internet. Then he went and dug a little deeper. He read everything there was to know. And so there was these Russian warships, Ashton. Out in the middle of the ocean, these things happened to come upon this black triangular

craft. It seemed like a pretty large craft at that in the middle of the ocean. But what the U.S. government was talking about an immaculate constellation was that, number one, we knew that they were going to be out there and they were going to interact with this craft. That the Russians are interacting with the craft. So the Russians had to have known that this craft was there. You could say, oh, well, maybe the Russians remote viewed this. And they knew it was going to be out there. And that's what Sherry said.

But then also you can think about the other concept of this is like, well, maybe. that they knew that this area of the ocean was very hot for UAP, UFO activity. Yeah, activity. Or maybe they're experimenting with their own stuff. Exactly. And what you said just a minute ago, asking you said, well, is the United States the only one that has the technology of this? But if you think about the Immaculate Constellation and Matthew Brown where he says,

Russian warships were out there, it seemed like when this giant triangular craft was out there, it's not like they were freaking out. It was almost like they knew and maybe even possibly communicating with this craft. What if? And also the most important part of this, this thing materialized out of nowhere and then dematerialized out of nowhere. There was something else very interesting what Matthew Brown said is that he specifically made sure to say that our pictures and our imagery that we got from this event was not

from a satellite. It was not from a drone. It appeared to be from some type of underwater drone to where it had a camera system that came up and took pictures of what actually was occurring in the middle of the ocean with these Russian warships to where it was showing the Russian warships interacting with this craft that was materializing, dematerializing, materializing, materializing, de-materializing basically going from, you know, visible to non-visible. What does that mean to you? Because as you just said a minute ago, maybe the United States is the only one that has this technology, but what if we're not?

Like, what if the immaculate constellation? And it seems like Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp want to portray this as like, this is alien technology or even aliens that Russia was interacting with. But what if it's Russia interacting with their own technology as far advanced, dematerialization of an actual physical structure. Yeah, and it's the thing you have to realize, you really have to demystify the physics. Actually, going from invisible to invisible is not even that impressive,

to be honest with you. And the orbs themselves are probably invisible. The reason why we're filming an infrared all the time is because they can only be invisible in certain spectrum at one given moment. So they can't be invisible in infrared and an optical at the same time. time. So you could have a situation where they can phase in and out of visible sight. You can also, these EVOs, these toroidal plasmoids can phase right through solid matter as well. So you could have a situation where they could be getting mistaken for all kinds of

phenomenon that are out there. With respect to us having them, the United States government knows exactly what they are. Think about it for a second. If they didn't know what the alien UFO stuff was, they'd have blackbagged me a long time ago. I'd be working in Diego Garcia for them to figure out what all this stuff is at this point, right? Like the letter to Ashton Forbes. Like what I've uncovered, believe it or not, ultimately it's pretty impressive from the scientific standpoint. And to your other point about it, the reason why I'd be black bagged is because they would need me to help build this stuff for them to fight against whoever has the technology, if it's Russia or China, if it was somebody else. So it's us that has it.

We're the ones who are in charge. of it. And if I was in Russian, we were a Russian, then that definitely would be in some gulags somewhere working for Putin. But how do you explain this incident of the Russian warships that are with this craft that is materializing, deep materializing? What does that be anything? Could be that they're just phasing out from the, if they're plasma based, it could be that it actually is teleportation, but it also could just be a story that's just made up. And I think personally, I think that everybody's got some iterations of the technology. The origin technology actually seems like we went from the Nazis to us and then we kind of

forgot about it. And then the Soviets picked up on this scalar technology. And then people like Tom Bearden were like blowing the whistle because he was saying that the Soviets are going to pass us up in this scalar technology. And that was in the 80s. And then the USSR fell apart. And then I think the United States kind of leapfrog them using that scalar technology. So isn't it isn't it kind of interesting after World War II and Germany and all that stuff?

I mean, it was a race to get these scientists, which was essentially who created NASA and even the CIA and then Russia. Russia got a lot of those people as well. But that was during the food fighters era as well where pilots were seeing these UFOs. Yeah, and that was Freibort Winterberg. He was one of those project paperclips scientists that we took. and he did fusion research that's all classified that never got declassified still to this day. And he also has a theory called Plank Ether Hypothesis, which is another theory that says that, you know, space is not empty, that there really is an ether. And so, yeah, we were taking these scientists.

And I'm sure we hid the fact that there's a zero point vibrational energy that you can amplify to infinity beyond the ultraviolet limit, or ultraviolet limit. or ultraviolet catastrophe. And that means that we have access to free, free unlimited energy. And knowing how to utilize that and how it can be used, one of those things, one of those ways we use is stabilize plasmas that you can actually now have, normally a plasma which should dissipate. Like when a lightning strike hits, it just, it's gone. But you can have a situation where the plasma, the charge can get separated and kept

in a stabilized way where it stays like that. So the government definitely had this figured out. There's plenty of scientific papers that go back. Like, Eric W. Davis is somebody that we should really be talking about. Like, forget Matt Brown or Mike, wasn't Matt Brown? Matthew Brown. Like, he's just telling the same stories. He's not saying anything new that they've already said.

He's just saying aliens are real. What do they want exactly? You said aliens are real. We've had 10 different whistleblowers. I don't know. do they expect everybody to be like, yes, let's put you on a pedestal now. That's never going to happen. I don't know what they're trying to do.

What they should be doing is, isn't the whole Immaculate Constellation thing is that Matt Brown says that there's this database of videos that they have of UFOs. Why is Avi Loeb saying we need a billion dollars in funding from the government to put cameras shooting in the sky for more data when they, supposedly have hundreds of videos of UFOs that just release those. Why are they not demanding the government release those, in fact? Why is nobody demanding that? Yeah, that's my question to you. I was kind of upset towards the end. They were building this whole thing up. And then he was like, yeah, there was a triangle in the sky. I was like, that's it, really, seriously. But going back to

your hypothesis, I guess, that most of the things that we see in the sky are from our military, are for our government or our contractors or whatever. Many times in the last six years, I have seen orbs with my own eyes. And I always feel like fascinated to see these things. And it kind of made it less fascinating when I know it's our own technology. Maybe. But this is my question to you, Ashton. How come some of these orbs can be giant in the sky?

And then I can see tiny, tiny little orbs in the trees. Well, I'm not going to explain. all the origins of every type of orb that's out there, because I know there's probably a lot, but there is something called scale invariance, which would mean that whatever we can do on the small scales, we can also do at the large scales. And if that's true,

then even things that are small as an atom can be scaled up something that's large. In fact, the plasma orbs in the MH370 video, I think, are mimicking atoms, but they're 20 feet across in diameter. So they've managed to figure out a way to scale it up to make them huge. But all that really is is a positively charged center of plasma and then a negatively charged shell around it, which you can actually see if you watch closely in those videos.

Let me ask you. Sorry, Ashton, to your point, what you're saying here is, how do you explain if there are small orbs, maybe even these people that see, I don't know, paranormal stuff, is there how would you explain small orbs in a natural environment that is not controlled by humans? Because do you think that's real? Because I do think that's real. I think there's something out there that is not controlled by governments, by technology. And I think they are also very similar to what we see that the government may be harness in technology.

But Ashton, we can go by this little creek or whatever. and we can we go to this certain spot because we know we're going to see stuff. And we can see these little tiny flat and they're not lightning bugs. No, they're orbs. They're little tiny orbs. And you can even see them in the water. I think people confuse what I'm saying sometimes. And I'm not saying this to put you down.

But because some people think that, oh, Ashton, you know, he thinks it's all, it's all military stuff. Like, what am I really saying? What I'm saying is that everything is possible. Everything is possible. What I'm saying is that if we have the ability. to produce a Star Trek replicator, to produce a warp drive, to produce a wormhole. It reminds me of the show Rick and Morty, where the origin of Rick figuring out the portal gun is the moment he figures out, he's the last person who has figured it out.

He realizes that everybody else has already figured out. That's how it really works. The first thing we're going to realize after we realize all that stuff is real, we're the last people in the block to figure it out. Or the shortcut of us. So what does that mean? That means everything is possible. Why aren't they visiting us?

Why aren't we seen? Maybe we are. Maybe they're tiny. Maybe they're not beings at all. Maybe they're just plasma that's sentient. We got to be thinking way outside the box. So my answer to your question is, what is it? I don't know.

But can it be a real phenomenon? Absolutely it can be. And are there aliens out there? Of course there's aliens out there. Are you kidding me? Look how big the universe is. There's life as ever. everywhere. We're going to find bacteria on Mars. Look at how advanced we are. You think this is

natural? No, I'm pretty sure we're probably like aliens that crashed here and got stranded. That seems more likely to me than us naturally evolving here from a single cell. Yeah, that's an amazing response, by the way. And I think that, you know, oftentimes, Ashton, you are so researched. I guess you're so research in kind of the advanced government technology, the physics, all of the, all of the, all of the, all of the, But what you just said is very real. When you start talking about the advanced technology that maybe the U.S. government and other governments maybe have harnessed, it's not because we are so smart necessarily.

It's because we have learned something from something else. I don't know what that something else necessarily is. Christians will tell you it's God. Atheist will tell you it's, I don't know what they'll tell you. But either way, there's something that we have missed so very long. I want to ask you another question. I'm cutting you off. Sorry, Chad.

All right. You know Skin Walker Ranch. And you know that on top of their little mountain, they say what they think is a portal or a wormhole. Do you think that wormhole was created by humans or by aliens? Admittedly, I actually have never watched Skin Walker Ranch before. But I've communicated with Brandon Fugel a couple times. I do think those guys are legit. I think they're just, I don't know, I think they're doing their own thing on that.

And I think they're bringing awareness to science. and things like that, their own way. It's probably not the way that I would do it. But at this point, I think that the whole situation is such a mess that anyone who's doing it, just do it however you want. So with respect to some of that, from what I've seen, the requirements to make an actual wormhole, at least one that's big enough. Well, the one that we see is swallowing an entire airplane.

But the energy densities required to pull it off require plasma. Or they're going to require advanced metamaterials that you would, would only have access to even in our wildest dreams in the most advanced defense contractor labs that nobody knows about. We just don't have the material science, the same way where Leonardo da Vinci, we wouldn't have the material science to be able to build it, but we will one day. And we will have Star Trek replicators one day, no question, no doubt. And then the question for everybody will simply be more of not do aliens exist, which I think

is just such an absurd question to even be asked. asking. Question is, what's the implications of aliens existing? What's the implications of aliens getting here from another galaxy? What does that mean? How did they pull that off? And what that's going to mean is that there's no such thing as scarcity. Like, we are a society that exists and has always existed because of scarcity.

Our economy, everything about our civilization is based on scarcity. And when scarcity no longer exists, that's such a huge ontological. shock for our civilization. You have to even wonder what we are and how many people are even going to make it through that change and that shift. Yeah. That's what they're really hiding. And that's what they're not talking about when you're seeing these, you know,

the weaponized podcasts and this other stuff. They're not talking. They know that that's true behind the scenes. And that's why they're all freaked out and they think this is the biggest thing ever. But they're not saying it up front in terms of that because just aliens existing isn't big enough for that level of ontological shock. ending of scarcity and free energy and Star Trek replicators. That's what gives you that level of shock.

And talking about these replicas, or I can't say the word, sorry, but do you think that we have lost technology, are we had technology that we no longer have anymore? Yeah. And definitely check out my podcast with Randall Carlson, the gray bearded man, who is, you know, expert at ancient civilizations and things like that. One of the questions that I asked them is, do you think it's possible that, like, technology's been hidden from us for like centuries through like potentially like cults and things like that he didn't even let me finish answering the question yes absolutely

just going like okay uh wow so yeah for me it's like i think the best evidence is some of the ancient wonders of the world you know like the pyramids which is are they do we really think they're only what five thousand years old and then also how the hell do they build those 5,000 years ago, it wasn't some crazy amount where, like, we have no idea what their civilization was like. It doesn't seem like they should have been able to make all that. So, yeah, I think it's very possible that they understood the concept of light and waves better than we do now. I think that we've actually gone backwards in physics in the last 50 years, not forwards. I think ever since, like, 1965, quantum electrodynamics, we got two invests.

in this idea of light being particles and trying to fit everything around particles, wherein when you think of everything as waves and resonance, then we don't need like necessarily super powerful orbs. If all I want to do is make something slightly lighter, then potentially all I need is resonant sound and sound, resonant sound waves. What we've seen resonant sound waves, you guys have seen a tuning fork. What happens if you take your tuning fork and you put it up against your wine glass?

your wine glass is going to shatter, right, if you hit the resonant frequency. So why does this same concept not apply to lifting heavy things? To me, that's the most, actually the most likely answer for how they were able to lift up huge, huge blocks. They use some other concept of physics that we currently don't accept, but of course, exists. And that's what the aliens are using too. The aliens aren't using alien physics. This is why I hate when people are like, it's alien technology. there's no such thing as alien technology.

Like any technology, any physics, any science that exists is just science and physics. It just means that we're wrong about our current understanding or our current understanding is just limited, misinterpreted. I love, I love that last part you said, because, yeah, everyone always wants to think that because aliens may exist somewhere else, they have some way different structure of reality. And although I do believe that we do not fully understand reality. which is why I think that you are very important in the conversation about reality today. But Ashton, what are you? It's very random question.

You're like, holy shit, why are you asking me this question? But what do you think happens to you yourself when you die? Your brain waves, what you think, your thoughts, your processes, your feelings. What do you think happens to that when you die? Because we already talked a little bit about kind of the religion, spiritual, a little bit of that. But do you think your energy goes somewhere else? Do you think that you're going to be you somewhere else? I don't know if I'm going to be me somewhere else.

I think it might be you somewhere else, actually, or somebody else, or maybe one of the people listening actually right now is my personal belief. But I'm more aligned with the idea of resurrection and the concept that our bodies are just antenna that are connecting to our consciousness, which is potentially external. One thing I want to say, though, too, is about the previous question about what I think is different or the same or in terms of my change or my views is that I used to think that aliens were potentially going to be super different from us. and I kind of think that's still now,

but I actually now lean more towards I wouldn't be surprised to find that aliens look almost exactly like us because I do think that the universe has this self-organization to it that tends towards symmetry and similar forms. So I wouldn't be surprised at all anymore to find that aliens are really actually humanoids

or very similar to us in general. And so, yeah, in terms of my religious and background, believe so on that. I think that, you know, the thing that's about time is there space time itself is a phenomenon that only exists because of energy and matter. And we can change the rate of time.

Then time itself no longer is this linear A to B thing anymore. Now time becomes more like in True Detective, a flat circle, where events don't necessarily have to be before, after one another, linearly. And if that's the case, then I ask myself, why do we die at all? Maybe there's a reason why we have to die. Maybe death isn't really this permanent thing that we imagine it to be. But maybe it's also a situation where there needs to be a cycle of rebirth.

One of the things I think about a lot is that this theory that what if the reason why we don't live forever is that our minds, our psyche, cannot have. handle all the emotional stress that that would bring. All the grief, the sorrow, the high points, the low points at some point just becomes too much. Yeah. And so the world evolves sort of a situation where you don't live forever, where you reset. And now, you know, is your child you?

Not really. But in some ways it is. Do you believe in like scriptural text, biblical stuff? I mean, what do you think about some of that? To Ashton's point real quick, I just want to say, you know, I think that he's right on about that, you know, that maybe we have to recycle. But if you think about scientists, they say that Earth has to recycle. Yeah. It's a same kind of concept.

And it almost seems like it always has recycled. And even going back to biblical, it almost seems like the Earth recycles. And so that's a very interesting concept, kind of going back to what you are saying, but a little differently, right, to where it's like you have a belief in a God and the structure. but you're saying something a little different because it's like you only can get so much. You can only get so much of this stress and this and this kind of burden on your soul or your body or whatever the case is. The question, though, really, I think for me and Sherry, both of us is like we've been going down this spiritual journey. And I think there is a great awakening right now. And Ashina, I think you know that as well.

And although you may see it a little differently than we do, I think us, we see it as a great awakening of, There have been never more people that are seeking out God and just trying to understand the concept of God, the afterlife in Jesus or whatever you believe. Everyone is trying to seek out the answers, even to your side of things. Say that you're like religion, God, whatever. Let's take that out of the conversation. I think you and the scientists community is having a huge great awakening at the same time. And people are starting to find out things.

we've never been able to actually understand. And what does that really mean for humanity? Like, where is that going to take us to where there were people that were understanding? There are things that sound crazier than what we're talking about right now back in historical text and biblical text where at one point in time, we're like, well, that's the reason I can't believe in the Bible. That's the reason I can't believe in this stuff because it sounds so astounding, so amazing, so insane.

And then you start thinking about the science community, the physics community, the engineering or electroengineering community. They now can explain it. Yeah. Well, like you Ashton are starting to say, look, here's how some of this stuff works. Here's how some of this stuff is possible. What does that mean to you as far as just historical text and what you have come about as far as your research goes? I mean, is there a connection or is it completely separate?

Well, I'll say that I've become way more spiritual and religious, which is not, I think, something people would expect from having a physics reawakening, if you want to call it that. And I love the Bible. I think the Bible is the best moral teaching book out there, period, and probably will be stand the test of time. And but, you know, you can't take everything literally in the Bible, is my personal opinion. But if people want to, that's up to them.

And the thing that scares me the most, though, actually is what the implications are of this science and technology in terms of, like, what it's going to mean for our civilization. Yeah. It could mean some pretty dark answers are true. And I just, I don't know how we make it through it. I don't see this version of humanity that we are living in right now making it through the technological barrier.

Like, we're going to hit this technological barrier and we're either going to wipe ourselves out, people are going to have a psychological break. I think that most people on Earth have given the choice between, you know, hyper-advanced technology, Star Trek. replicator technology warp drives wormholes or freedom like we're not we're going to have to track people everywhere they go yeah for the rest of their lives from the moment they're born like that's what that's our future if we want to harness this technology and make sure that nobody can annihilate ourselves in fact we probably have to do what the united states is currently doing they're the ones

with the tech they're just preventing everyone else from doing it they're zapping planes out of the sky to show china not don't even try it right you know like if that's the case and that's what we're doing shit, man. I asked Randall Carlson this question. I said, hey, man, would you rather throw all the technology away, just go fishing in Minnesota where he and I are both from if it meant that you'd have to, you know, have be tracked everywhere you go, have pre-crime kind of stuff going on, which is what we're going to have to do.

And he said, yeah, I would just, I'll take the fishing, you know. I think most people probably would. In fact, maybe that's the big question at the end of the day. It was maybe we just decided to do this long time ago, is throw away all technology and just be like, we're just going to live in bliss for as long as we can make it until we remember and figure out the technology again. I think that's a lot of thing I'll say. I think that's a Satan. But also Matthew Brown was also saying we're living in an invisible prison right now.

Do you think that was what he was talking about? Absolutely. And that's what they're not saying. It's like, what do you mean we're living in invisible prison? Aliens being real doesn't mean we're invisible prison. Living in invisible prison means they're controlling the media, they're controlling the government, they're controlling academia, and you guys are a conspiracy podcast so you know that they're doing these things.

But what people don't realize is just how out of control it's gotten. Like they hit a technological singularity and they figured some crazy stuff out. And now the stuff's beyond what people can even understand. And really the only way to look at is that this is a prison. We're stuck on a prison. we should have access to free energy technology. We should have access to literally teleport anywhere we want. And they're not giving it to us.

They know it exists. And they're not giving it to us. And they know what the UFO alien stuff is all about. Like I said, if they didn't know, I'd have been blackbagged a long time ago, working in some underground base of Diego Garcia or something like that. Yeah, no, I agree. And Ashton, the next podcast we're bringing you on, I would love to dive deeper into why, why they want.

want to do that. Why they want to take the technology or kind of the knowledge from us, from the people, because I think that's a whole other subject. And in some ways, it does kind of, even still goes back to biblical teachings and to where they did the same thing back in the day. Regardless of whether you believe in the actual spiritual context of that, but the kings or the gods back in the day, you should do the exact same shit that we are experiencing today. They too. Well, and like, Ashton was saying that we may self-destruct if they give us the opportunity. We will self-destruct.

We are going to self-destruct, and I'm no question, no doubt we can amplify energy to infinity, which means that, again, I said the universe is scale invariant. So if you can scale up an atom to the size of 20 feet in diameter, a plasma ball, you can scale it up bigger than that, too. Yeah. And so it's like, you start just think about the implications and you go, okay. To be honest, you guys, I kind of agree with the gatekeepers. Like, I actually agree with the gatekeepers. Probably need to keep it secret. And if there is bizarre a world's universes,

there's probably bizarre versions of me, who's actually like on the side of Hal Putoff gatekeeping it on the other side. The only reason why I'm really even pushing it as hard as I am is because if they're teleporting airplanes, then they've already abused the technology and the right to claim the moral high ground. You know? Yeah, absolutely. If you're doing evil shit like that, then sorry, man.

you don't really get the claim that like we're doing this for national security for the greater good there was like 239 normal regular people in that plane that wasn't a military plane or anything well listen to as you mean uh dr fauchy said gain a function was for the better amount of people but you see what happened with that she's what the nazis did too man it's just they all justify stuff for the greater good and for just following orders you know and that's how an operation like this will get like how does nobody stop something like this from happening like nobody along the line in the CIA or military, whoever's like, hey, man, like, maybe we shouldn't do this operation where we zap this plane with some plasma orbs.

Like, there's normal people on that plane. No, no, no, it's for the greater, no, just following orders, right? Edward Lynn could come out any moment. Guy changed his name, his lawyers telling people that the feds brought satellite video into the case. I'm just sitting here like, he could come out at any moment and just tell the truth. Why is he not coming out? What are not any of the other people that he was on?

that flight that night watching them, streets and why did none of them coming forward? Yeah. Just think about how many people know the truth. It's bashing crazy. All of them are just silent. Wall of silence, right? And it's all because of

just following orders, national security. Just miss me with all that at this point. So next time I hear any of those people talking about, we're not letting this out for national security. Just going to get lit up by me. I want to tell all of you. Ashton,

you're like a brother to us. We love you so much. We're 100% proud of you. For anybody out there that wants to go and kind of deep dive into what Ashton is investigating, please go and check out Just X Ashton on X. He also has a YouTube channel, which is the Hard Truths podcast. Is that the actual title? If they look that up, they'll find you there.

Yeah, yeah, you can find me in Hard Truth podcast as well. But I'm probably going to do a rebrand soon for Four Orbs because I just think it's a cool name. And it's pretty unique. So we'll see. So check me out there. Yeah, you guys can check out awesome interviews I've done with Professor You from NASA actually on magnetism. I talked to Avi Lowe from Harvard,

talked to Salvador Pais and US Navy. So some pretty prominent figures and some great conversations. For sure. Well, Ashton, thank you so very much for coming back on. And we love you so much. We're going to have you back on because I want to dig into on the next episode with you

why they are hiding this technology from us. Like, what is the bigger implications of this? But thank you so much, Ashen. Everybody go check out Randall Carlson interview. with Ashton Forbes on his hard truth podcast on YouTube. Guys, but that'll do it for us. We're going to close it out, man.

A great interview. We always love talking to Ashton. I think he's one of the brilliant minds of our time. He's so brilliant. Sometimes I don't even understand, but I got the gist this time. Yeah, for sure. And the last thing we will say is go follow us on X, Facebook, Instagram, all of our social media platforms.

And we're going to have an episode drop on Thursday on our Savage True Crime podcast, where we're talking about a very, very, very. crazy story that happened in South Carolina with Scott Spivey, a guy that was killed, murdered by someone. There was a massive cover-up. This was all having to do with a local sheriff's department, not local to us necessarily, but local to the state of South Carolina. And we're going to bring on someone, someone's wife, actually, that we just recently had

on the podcast about us, Barbara County. So we're very, very excited for this episode. Make sure that you guys go and check out to that episode. on Savage True Crime Podcast. Until next time, we love you all so very much. Peace out. Peace out, guys. What I told you, but you took it to heart.

Wish I could take you back to get a new start. I apologize at least a hundred times. You never heard my perspective or took my advice. I tried to fix what was broken, but you made up your mind. I gave you all my side guess it was it you that's like I want to see you