Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Bigfoot Alien Or Primate With Ron Boles | Live Show Audio

Episode Date: July 30, 2024

This episode features our live video show with Bigfoot field researcher Ron Boles. We delve into his potential encounter with Bigfoot and explore intriguing questions about the nature of this elusive creature. Is Bigfoot an alien, a spiritual being, or a primate? Tune in to hear Ron's insights and theories.

Welcome to Investigatorth podcast. I'm your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's podcast, we're going to be talking about Bigfoot. This should be a fantastic episode. We have had our guest on our podcast, probably three to five, three to four times, I guess it is. His name is Ron Bowles. He is with the Bigfoot-filled researchers organization. Ron himself lives in Arkansas.

And, you know, we've talked about Bigfoot quite a few times. on the podcast. It oftentimes comes up in a lot of discussions, whether it be the Bigfoot topic alone or whether it be maybe aliens and UFOs. And also we've talked about it in the spiritual side of things. Now, we'd ask a lot of you guys to give us some good questions going into this interview with Ron. And I think you guys had a lot of amazing questions to ask Ron. I actually prefaced Ron with some of these questions. He's like, well, I don't do this. I don't do that. but we're going to get to that. Ron, welcome to the Shay stage.

How's it going, man? Great. I want you to notice my t-shirt. I like it. Yeah, and I'm trying to put my t-shirt out there, too. We both, Ron and I both have Bigfoot t-shirts. I want you to notice that it's M-O for Missouri. Yeah.

Missouri. And in the O, there is actually a Bigfoot. Yeah, that's pretty cool. But, no, actually, I live in Springfield, Missouri, not Arkansas, but that's okay because, you know, I consider myself living in the Ozarts. Yeah. Which is Arkansas, a little bit of Oklahoma, Missouri, you know, the Ozarts. And so, Ron, so tell me a little bit about your background with Bigfoot, right? what even got you into researching Bigfoot?

Obviously, like I said, we've talked about it many times on the podcast. If you look at videos on X, which we're going to go through some videos tonight of not only videos you have sent us, just some of some of your examples of either people you have interviewed or some sounds from the woods that you have actually captured alongside other people, but also we're going to play some, I guess, what you would call viral videos that went viral on the internet. But tell me about what? got you into the world of Bigfoot? Well, I was born in 1967, and, you know, and that was the same year as the

Patterson-Gibbon film as they were filmed in October of 1967. And then, you know, as I grew up, as a child of the 70s and the 80s, you know, we, we were familiar with, you know, the Bionic Man versus, or the $6 million man. versus Bigfoot, Bigfoot and Wild Boy and the Leonard Nimoy documentaries and, you know, various other things. I mean, you know, kind of familiar with it, you know, the legend of Boggy Creek and all that stuff. So I was pretty much familiar with it, but, you know, I just never really, you know, made it a fascination of mine until the, late 80s when when I had my first

experience or, you know, my first, uh, yeah, I mean, I had my first experience. I wasn't looking for it. I wasn't, you know, going on my way to say, I'm going to help me a big foot.

No. I was hunting, I was hunting beer. right there beer yeah and and instead of a beer I got Bigfoot and this was in the 80s right

you said this is 80s how old were you I mean without giving up your age but how old were you in the 80s when you had this encounter well you already said he was born in 1967 baby well it doesn't matter I'm just asking for people

to don't want to do math I'll put it to you this way I was 20 stupid you ever been 20 stupid yeah for a long time I was paying Chinese support for being 20 stupid, but yes. I was 20 stupid.

Yeah. So you and your friends, right, you did you guys go on a camping trip at this point? Is that where this encounter actually happened with this? This is a place not too far away from Springfield, Missouri. It's called the old resort. Yeah. And we heard that there was going to be a kegger at the old resort. You know, it was in early to mid June. so you know we were all together we were playing ball or something like that earlier that day

and we went to and we go hey there's going to be a there's going to be a there's going to be a kager at the old resort now the old resort was a was a old hunting lodge off of James river back in the day you know back way before that area was even developed before there was highway and bought, you know, it was out of the way near James River. And, but the only day that was left of it was a bunch of, you know, pretty much foundation, rubble and a, a, a, a, in-ground swimming pool, which, you know, makes great for a bonfire and setting up a keg. And it was, you know, you go off this little parking area, not far away from the, uh, uh, from the road too much, and you get on that trail, and you have to walk a good, you know,

quarter of a mile before you get to where the resort is. Yeah. So, you know, it was, it was far away enough to not, you know, any hoopin and hollering would attract unwanted attention. So we went out there. It was probably, oh, right about. sunset. We didn't see any of the cars over there. So, you know, we waited around a little bit. We dorked around the area and nothing happened. So we figured either, you know, someone got busted or no one poneyed up for the, for the keg.

So we started making her way back. And it was past sunset. It was dusk. I mean, to the point that it was almost dark, but you could just see some sunlight out in the west. you know, we were walking south, so that means that our, that the sunset or what was left of it was to our right. And we were on, and in order to get to

where the old resort were, was you have to walk a nice old trail or old driveway that used to go up to it. And that, and that, was elevated about

oh that was elevated about about two feet off the forest floor and we were walking down there and there was in all we all jumped in we all came out of an old Volkswagen

band you know back and and there was like oh there was probably like seven of us yeah there was and when we were walking back two was up front of us about 100 feet or so. And then there was a couple of guys behind us. That

was probably around the same distance, if not a little bit more. And then there was the three of us that was in my group. There was a guy named Mike. He was only like six foot. And there was Gene. Now, Gene was a big old cornbread boy. I mean, he was six foot, six, six foot, you know, six foot five. six foot six, big old boy. And then me, and I'm six foot three, so I'm not exactly a wallflower myself. Yeah. And we were walking along there, and we were headed back to the van, and the smell just enveloped us. And, I mean, like a green fog that just fell down upon us, you know.

And it was nauseating. It was really, really intense. And Gene goes, man, what is that smell? I said, dude, I don't know, but it's about to make me sick. We kept on walking about 10 feet. And Gene all of a sudden stops dead in his track looking to his right. And I'm like, what? He goes, oh, my God.

And sure enough, it's straight in his view. about, I would say, 25, 30 feet away from us with what's left of the sunlight in the back was this tree that was really no bigger than a slender telephone pole. And behind it was this huge creature standing behind it.

Swing back and forth. And I could almost make out like his arm was holding on to this pole doing this number. But it was dark enough for I couldn't really make out any facial feature, but I could make out the conical head. I can make out the broad shoulders

you know, twice the size of mine and just swaying back and forth. At first I'm like, you know, this is like a cartoon like I hit my bottom is trying to hide behind a lamp with pose. And and And, and, uh, and, uh, Gene just, I can't handle this.

And he took off running. Well, being that he was the biggest, biggest one out of the bunch, I'm sure the hell wasn't going to stick around either. Yeah. I took off running after them. And the rest of the guys, I mean, and, you know, before we took off running, I looked in the back, they were accounted for. And the guys in front of us were accounted for.

And, uh, when we took off running, we didn't stop until we hit the van, the guys, uh, we left behind. they finally caught up with us. And that included the person that had the keys through the van. And we told them what we saw and what we experienced. And it was like, you know, no way, blah, blah. And even then I just sort of, you know, okay, maybe what we smelled was someone got sick and regurgitated in the brush or. Maybe something died or something like that, you know.

And maybe what we saw behind that tree was just a cedar tree, you know, in the breeze, even though I don't recall the breeze. And so me and the guy's name was Scott, the one that owned the van, we went back. I mean, it was just, there wasn't enough daylight to spit at. And we went back. but I knew where we were because a tree limb, you know, fell across the path. And we went back there and to the same spot. There was no smell and there was nothing behind that tree.

Yeah. But the smell gave it away. And the smell, I would think when you are encountering a big foot, it smell like a big wet dog or something. But you're saying it was not like that. Yeah, I mean, doesn't Bigfoot, Bigfoot, don't they have a smell? Is that kind of the common conception with a Bigfoot is that they have some type of smell, right? Well, you know, years later, I talked to an anthropologist about that, the person, you know, people that study primates. Yeah.

And they said that, of course, I didn't tell them, you know, is it common for. certain primates to emit a smell. Yeah. And I didn't tell her why. I just, you know. Yeah. And she said, oh, yeah, that's very common amongst your larger primates, like your great apes and certain other ones, especially in the males.

If you feel like they're in their bubble, if you are threatening their they're calm, they will emit sort of a pheromone, they will release a pheromone odor to let you know that you're not welcome. Yeah. And this is more like a vomit smell or what? I mean, well. Oh, and aren't they, isn't there a name called skunk ape? Yeah, which is sort of dominant down in the Florida Everglades area and that area.

It's a very musky, intense. I mean, like, fermented vomit. That's how intense it was. Yeah. It was just really, really, you know, got in your nose and wish you could just, you know, gad your fingers up there and just clog them forever. Yeah. So listen, let me ask you, though.

So do you think, though, that your experience that night in the 80s when you were 20 and stupid, do you really think that was Bigfoot? I mean, do you think that your encounter there was Bigfoot? And, you know, is that what actually got you into research? searching Bigfoot now. Well, I tell you this, remember I said that the fourth, I mean that the path that we were on was two feet elevated from the first floor. Yeah.

Gene was like six foot five, six foot six, six, six, right? This thing was eye to eye to gene. And you guys were elevated. And we were elevated. Wow. That's crazy. So how tall do you think this thing was that you were looking at in the eyes? Probably around eight, eight and a half.

8.5 foot, yeah. And did it make any noises or anything when you saw it? And obviously it saw you, right? Yeah, it made a little bit of a rustle when it was swaying, but, you know, as far as emit it in a vocalization or anything like that, no. It was just kind of swaying and making. Yeah, and the swaying. I also asked about the swaying.

Very typical amongst your large primates. I mean, I don't know if you see in the documentaries, but when the, you know, when a Chimpanzee or Gridae gets, you know, gets hacked up. You know, they start doing that swaying back and forth. Yeah. No, I get that. I mean, I've seen many videos with the especially large primates, gorillas and even the chimps, right?

The chimps will do very similar things. And typically, I think they do the sway. And if I'm not mistaken, they do to sway in when they are almost in either defense mode or they are. thrown in for a charge. Exactly. The charge thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Exactly. But you know, people, people do very similar things, right? And it's kind of interesting because I was watching a video that are the other day about these people that went to this zoo. And these people that went to a zoo, these, these apes, these monkeys, whatever they are, I think some of them are chips, but they will see someone that has a bag. And they'll, it was, it was the most amazing video. I've seen that video. Yeah. And the lady has a bag.

and this this chimp comes up and he's doing this like you're back he's turning to the bag open the it was a ring a tang ring a tang yeah and he's like open the bag and she's like what yeah and then show me what you got you know and and then and there's a there's a hell of a funny dude there's there's some guy that does like the commentary for the yeah that was so funny so anyway saying you're telling the story. He's like looking in her bag and the guy is talking, acting like the, she brings out the whole thing and he's like, no, no, no, no. No, no.

Yeah. Yeah, she brings out the moths. He's like, oh, hell yeah, that's my shit. That's my shit. And then he starts. Go this way. So that's so funny. So,

so basically kind of what I'm hearing, though, and we're about to get some, into kind of some deep stuff. And for those, by the way, watching on. We are live on X and Rumble right now for those that do not know. This will be posted on our podcast. If you're listening to this, you're not going to be able to see the videos that we're

about to show in a minute, but we will do our very best to try to explain what we are actually seeing because obviously our main audience is our audio podcast. But Ron, we're going to get deep into some stuff more so than just the primate aspect, right? but we're also going to have a little debate as far as primate versus not primate, right? And I think that. But before we go there, Ron, you think it's Bigfoot is a primate. I believe that Bigfoot is, and for you're talking about 17 years of being a researcher, and for everything, I witnessed myself and the evidence that I reviewed,

I honestly believe these are a flesh and blood, I should not say undiscovered, but unscientifically recognized primate. But you know what? I'm not making them into monkeys. Hell, we're primates. Yeah, right. For sure. But I'm not saying that they're apes or baboons or chimpanzees or whatever,

but I do believe that they are a certain breed of primates. Okay. And I guess when you mean a breed of primate, it's almost like a mammal in a way as well. No, I mean, it's a mammal. Yeah. So it's kind of like a, it's kind of like an in between maybe of, in your mind. It's an in between of chimps or gorillas and people. Is that, is that how you think of it?

Somehow, it's a good mix. Okay. All right. Well, while we're, while we're talking about this, let's get into some standardized footage of their Patterson Gimlin Bigfoot film, right? Before you get into this, I think that Ron sent us this video and this is a very, very... No, not this one. No, no, this one. Yeah, I got this one.

Ron has sent us some videos, which we're going to get into a little bit later in the show, but... Okay. Excuse me. No, this video is a video to where they have stabilized the Patterson Gimlin film. And we're about to share it right now. Here we go. And...

Okay. I'm going to play it all the way through. And I'm going to play it without the audio because that's annoying. So here you go. Here is the stabilized version of the Patterson Gambling film. Now, before we watch this, Ron, can you just tell us what the Patterson Gimmon film back in October of 1967? A couple of, I mean, you know, there was rumors of the, quote, unquote,

Bigfoot in the northern California. area and Patterson decided that you know what and these were just a couple of ranch hands. These are these guys are you know they're not highly educated

I'm not saying they're not smart they're just not highly educated just a couple of good old boys on a horse and they went in this area called the Willow Creek area in northern California and they were riding along and all of a sudden the horses sort of jumped up and something

came out of the woods. Patterson, Gimlin held the horse still while Patterson jumped off of the off the horse, grabbed his borrowed camera and took this footage. Now did they go out to this area in hopes of finding Bigfoot? Or did they just... Yes, that was the goal. But they had no idea that they were going to come across something like this.

Okay, so obviously for a lot of people, you think, hey, if you go in the woods and you're trying to find Bigfoot and you see this thing. Now, what year was this again, Ron? Remind me one more time. 1967. 1957 years ago. Yeah, so you've got to remember the camera availability as well.

Yeah. And this looks pretty good. Yeah, there was no AI. There was no, none of this deep fake stuff or what the Biden administration calls cheap fakes. But listen, okay, so what do you see here, Ron? Like, what is some things that stand out to you? Well, first of all, do you think this video is real or fake? I absolutely think it's 100% authentic.

Okay. Now, Patterson, he has since passed many years ago, but Bob Gimlin, who is getting up their years, I believe, 94. He, or not 94, but yeah, about 94 years old, I believe. I've had lunch with him about the nicest guy you ever want to meet and authentic. Okay. So what do you recognize about this video? Tell me some things that maybe stand out to you of why this is real, why it's not.

Okay. When you run through it, there's some things on here. And when I hit say stop, Okay. Freeze frame. All right, here we go. We're going to start from the beginning. Here we go.

Okay. Okay. Stop. I think that's what you're. Now stop. Okay. First of all, let's look at, let's look at the front. When he turns, or when this subject turns, it don't twist this neck around.

It's like a primate. It has a birate. a very structured neck neck line where it doesn't really so when it turns to look behind it it don't just turn its head back it turns the full shoulder back right now as an extra bonus of this clip

if you look close enough this is something that I just don't see a couple of good old ranch hands coming up with themselves they didn't get a guy in a monkey seat just to look like he was in a monkey suit, unless they found a monkey suit with a female mammaries on it.

Okay. So what do you mean? What are you saying about that? The, this Bigfoot has boobs. Oh, my God. And I see it now that you say that.

Like, it looks like there's fur around the boob portion, but the stomach portion is more open without fur. Do you see that? Is that what you're talking about? Not as much fur. But no, look, if you slow motion it at certain angles, it's obvious.

The girl's got a front on her. Oh my gosh. Rewind it. No, no, wait. But hold on, listen, but you also see what I see here. Do you see my mouse? Do you guys see my mouse? Hopefully you do.

I see the script there. Yeah. Yeah. So what that would be consistent of, in my opinion, would be what the rubbing, the constant rubbing of the arm with the arm gate. Okay, okay. Yeah, with the arm gate. But also, what are you talking about?

boobs. The boobs here and here. And if we go back, let's just go back for a second. Look right. Oh, yeah. Before, yeah. Even right here, honey, yeah. Right.

Go back, yeah. I know what you're saying. Right there. Yes. That is definitely boobs unless guys have boobs that we don't know about. Well, there's man boobs. But would they cover them up with fur and walk in the middle of the woods with it? Yeah.

All right. So then you see this thing turn right here. it is you see this baldness now what else do you see in this uh in this uh freeze also interesting if you go back to the front me into the beginning okay i want you to uh go ahead i want you to watch its legs and the muscles around the calf area okay oh see that yeah hold on right here i see it right there there see how the muscles on the back of it and the back there and and i believe there there even a crease along the along the middle of her leg

where the muscles Yeah, I see the muscles. Yes. Right there. Okay, mind you, this is 1967, folks. That's not the costume. Hollywood had nothing, and I mean nothing like this

in their inventory of costumes. Nothing. The back leg, get, do you see that right there, Chad that? What is that? Maybe rubbing in from the other leg, maybe. That or just, it could be just how the sun is shining on their fur, too. But you do see this, though.

I think this is the most compelling. Yeah, it's definitely a female. Because, but listen, but as I'm talking about the baldness here, like, as you walk, and especially if you watch the stride of this big foot, right, you see the stride? Yeah. So that elbow is going to continually rub that hair. air section all the time. And so if you're continually rubbing a hair section with your arm, that's more than likely

going to be more bald than other sections of your body. I guess that's why some guys don't have a lot of hair on their legs. Well, that, yeah, that or thighs, especially like inner thighs. You see that. I mean, that is a natural thing. Actually right there. Actually right there. Look at what's, what's, but.

Go to the back. Watch its butt. Yeah, look at her butt. That's muscle moving. That is not some flappy costume. That's muscle moving. Yeah, that's definitely not a costume. That's not somebody fooling people.

There's no way. So, Ron, you think this video is real. Obviously, that is a very compelling video of... Yeah, it looks like a primate. Yeah. Like a gigantic one. That's standing on two legs. Now, do primates, I mean, when I've gone,

to the zoo, I usually see them kind of on four legs, I guess sometimes, and then sometimes two legs, but they kind of walk with their arms in front of them and they're crouched over. Yeah, well. In the apartment and it's standing straight

up. Yeah, but the thing is, and there is a running theory because there's, because I've handled reports and other people has too where they've actually seen squatches, that's my short name for Sasquatch. has actually seen squashes do all, you know, sort of, you know,

a loat. Yeah, with the front arms. Yeah, with the front arms in the back, you know, on all fours. I've done reports where a squatch was actually using this motion with all fours, chasing a deer. And then, you know, just like an ape or a bear, Evan, if you corner a bear or an ape and they want to get up and show their size and stuff, I actually didn't report on one of that where the thing got up, stood up and showed it's full. size in almost a defensive and intimidating gesture. Yeah.

And that makes sense like bears when they are, you know, trying to defend themselves look bigger, they get on two feet and they're like, yeah. Yeah. All right. So Ron, I want to get into another video real quick. This is some audio from, I think it's Alberta, Canada, let's see, Alberta, Canada, I believe. Audio posts on Reddit from Canada.

Here's a link as well to follow the story. what does everyone think about this, this audio. This is obviously audio here. But before we do that, Ron, have you ever heard a Bigfoot in real time? Yes. So you know what I believe it to be. And by the way, we know what they sound like. We have audio of Ron's Bigfoot audio.

Yeah, but go ahead. Yeah. Hold on. Let's see. So let's go to this. Let's go to this. Let's share this. We're going to go to this and we're going to make sure the volumes on.

All right, let's let's see, let's hear this. I heard some shit. All right, real or fake. Real or fake, Ron. What do you think? Well, it was during the daytime. I, a possibility, not putting a lot of,

I'm not putting a lot of stock in it, but it has a possibility. I'm just telling you, if I was there, I'd be scared. That sounds like they something of the jungle. So Ron, listen. So you're part of what Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization, right? Bigfoot field research organization, yes. Is that kind of like a, I don't know if you know anything about Mufon, but is that anything to do with Mufon?

Mufon is the mutual UFO network. They are, they have investigators across the country, I think maybe even potentially across the world. But what are some of the things that you have been on would BFRO or just yourself in general? Have you had any other encounters with Bigfoot or had signed? or things that kind of led you down further into the road of, hey, Bigfoot is real since your 1980s encounter with the Bigfoot in the woods. Well, you know, when I had my first experience, you know,

I sort of sat on it. I mean, you know, this is the 80s. And who wants to be the village idiot by saying, hey, I saw Bigfoot, ooh, ah, you know. Nowadays, I hate that big of a deal back. then, yeah, you were going to be visited by some guys in white suits in the net. Yeah. Or just like, yeah, whatever, Ron, you're an idiot.

But, you know, years later, back in the, you know, back in the, you know, yeah, like in the late 90s, and to the, or, early 2000s, I sort of like, you know, kept, it kept on like popping in my head ever so often. So I was, you know, I got on the computer and I was, you know, Bigfoot websites and and back in the early 2000s, oh my soul, it was just, you know, all over the, there was all sorts of little Bigfoot websites, but corny as hell. And, you know, I mean, I got on this one website and, and opened up with Bigfoot. and then, you know, and it's sort of like the word bigfoot on it.

And it was like nighttime and these little eyes were popping up, you know, real cheesy crap and some little audio, you know, and just really. And then finally I came across this one, the BFRO.net. And not only was it professional, it was also categorized. categorized by state or Canadian province down to the, down to the county of where, you know, these reports took place. Yeah. And I'm thinking, wow, you know, this has a merit. So I some, and it had a play where you can submit your report, and I did.

and then, you know, a few, about a week or so later, this investigator called me that was currently with BFRO, and he called me up and we had a talk. And he put me through a litany of questions. And, you know, and then my experience was published on the BFRO. And I got to tell you, talking to someone that, you know, is. isn't out there to make you look like a fool and, you know, we're here to listen. It was so relieving. And I got to tell you, after the investigation, I mean, after I became an investigator and I've talked to people, when I've talked to them, it was a release.

It was like a psychological release. Oh, but God, I can talk to somebody like this. Yeah, and they're not going to act like you're crazy. But have more experiences beyond that one experience? Yes. Okay. About a year later, I saw where Biafro was holding an expedition down in southwestern Arkansas, South Eastern Oklahoma, and they're the O'Hichita Mountains. And I went on there. And the first night, I met Moneymaker. And for those that don't know, he is the founder and president. president of BFRO. He also is one of the co-hosts of the B.R. for a finding Bigfoot.

And, you know, and that's the first time I met him. And that was in 19, or no, 19, 2006 or 7, 2007, sorry. And anyway, so the first night, Matt says, okay, we'll take three vehicles. I will take a vehicle. And we, and we, and, And then you guys, and there was four of us, you guys will get in this vehicle and then will follow it up by another one. And we went on a road that was in the middle of nowhere. We're talking, you know, we're 30 minutes away from anything that had electricity. And so Matt says, won't you guys park here and I'm going to go up the road a little bit and I'm going to do a vocalization or a call, and let's see if anything responds.

Yeah. So he did one, and we kind of heard something. We were sure, so I got on the Wauki-Kaki, can you do that again? And he said, sure. Well, this time I had my audio recorder ready, and I think you have a link to it. And this is what happened. All right, so we got to keyed up here, guys. This is the recording that Ron is talking about right now.

So they did a call and then Ron is recording. The first sound you will hear will be Matt, and that's human, but the response is not. Okay. All right, so here we go. So here is the recording or the actual, oh, my bad, that's the wrong one. Stop sharing. Let's get to this one. So present, share screen.

So listen again. The first one is the human calling, and then the second one is not. All right, here we go. Here we go. All right, let's listen that one more time. All right, so there's a recording. Ron, what is your, I mean, where was Matt Moneymaker Mike at during this, during this exchange of vocalizations? Where was his mic?

Yeah, like, well, where was he at? So this is Mike? Is this who you're talking about? Moneymaker Mike? No, Matt Moneymaker. Oh, yeah, Matt Moneymaker. Sorry. So he set off the first sounding, right?

The first vocalization, yes. Okay. And then following that was what sounded like some type of multiple three vocalizations. And they got higher every time. Yes, four vocalizations, one going on an occupier after the next. Where he was, it was like, and I can't, don't quote me, but he was like, he was like a football field away from, from us to our east. And the response was, the response was like way to the west of us. Yeah.

And so where were you at during this again? Say where you were at during this recording? In Oklahoma? Yeah, well, yeah, the border of Oklahoma and Arkansas and the, it sounds like with a W, but it's spelled with a no, Wichita Mountains. Wichita, okay. Wichita. Okay, so you guys are out here, you have this vocalizations.

What's the deal with vocalizations in Bigfoot? Let's talk about that for a second. Well, I mean, okay, first of all, let's get something straight. Just because you hear one vocalization does not mean that you've, you know, there, I've done, I've heard it all. You know, these things aren't sheep. They're not deer. You know, once you heard one, well, that's it. That's all you need to know.

These are primates. They are individual personalities. And there's been many vocalizations. that has been recorded, but they're different. I mean, that one there, I believe was a response to the other one, to the Hal that Matt made. And believe me, if anybody who's been out there has heard vocalizations, he has. I've heard that.

I've heard the two-tone house or a, oh, oh, woo, you know. Yeah. And I've heard that recording. I've heard what I call the male blast where one evening we were sitting around the campfire. I did a vocalization. And I think something, I think daddy was nearby and was not happy about it, just sort of a, you know, just, you know, and you're talking in the middle of the woods, you know. Didn't there break you out when you were out there and you, when you were like making these

calls and then they called back at you? Were you like freaking out or are you like excited? I will do sometimes I'll do that metal blast, but I don't like to. And the very reason why is because, you know, one of these out there in the woods, because I just got a feeling that one of these days, someone's going to let me know how they don't appreciate me. And I've already, I've already been a rebuke for doing that by whatever's out there in the woods because there's been many, there's been a couple of times, I mean, like the one time when we were at the campfire. And there was like, you know, it was the last night, there was like seven or eight of us guys out there. We had a little

campfire going. We were all surrounded by it. And we were telling old war stories, right? Yeah. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, They said, I want you do a mail blast. I'm like, dude, we're in the middle of the woods on top of this mountain.

I'd rather not. Oh, no, no, no, please, please. So I did. I did the, I did the metal blast. And within 30 seconds or less,

I mean, within almost immediate response was a big old treeland not far away that just went crack and not fall to the ground but was thrown to the to the ground with great report and all and you know all eight of us man we were going to we were going to we were going we were going to muscle up and spend the night there yeah after that little incident only three of us left all three of us stayed well I better get going my wife is going expect me early

the morning. Well, you think we're going to spend night? Yeah, but I was thinking. And this was all after the, and this was all after

the, the, the, the, the response I did for doing the mail blast. Yeah. Oh, my God.

Yeah, there was eight of us at first before the, before the response, there was three that spent the night. And were you one of them? I was one of them, but boy,

I had this big ass bowing knife right there. I mean, I was like this. in my truck, locked windows up, sleeping like this with this bowie night, like right here. Oh, my gosh. Ron, I got to get a couple of questions. The first question is from some of our listeners, because I want to get these questions

because I think that they're pretty good questions. We have a question from Colton Howard. I have a question about Bigfoot. Most others have been asked already, but his question is, well, what do you think about the ability of Bigfoot is to be able to understand the way we communicate, right? If it's like an interdimensional being, I almost think that it is literally an alien in a suit or some type of shape shifter. I don't see a humanoid chimp being interdimensional seems kind of counterintuitive. So, and listen, we're going to get a lot of these questions.

They're going to be asking different ways. But Ron, let's start with Colton's question. number one, do you think they know what we say and talk about and communicate? Are they intelligent in your mind? Okay, far as in their environment, yes, they are smarter than us. Far as the liberal intelligence as part of us, no, we have a better dental plan. are they able to are they able to pick up on maybe what we're saying or doing

yeah I think they do just like we can them you know not Bigfoot but just any other primate we can tell when a chimpanzee's pissed yeah we can tell when they're not we can tell when they're playful you know um so do you think they're smart enough to know

kind of who we are as a people. I mean, because like, you remember we just talked about earlier about the, about the chimp or the ringatang that was on the other side of this barrier. Get the candy. Give me your candy. Give me your. And go that way.

Oh, yeah. Rangitans are intelligent as hell. I mean, what's in your part? So how much more intelligent would Bigfoot be in this? Or would they be more intelligent than say, chimps or orangutans or gorillas. Well, I'll put it to you this way.

A full-grown chimpanzee has been reported to have the IQ of a five-year-old child. Yeah. Without the ability to speak. We recently lost, and I'm talking within the past five years, we recently lost

a mountain gorilla named Coco who had the sign language capability of a 12-year-old. Wow. So, So you can only imagine how intelligent, how much bigger the brain mass of a primate that has, that a primitive primate that has the brain mass twice the size of a mountain gorilla. Yeah, for sure.

Am I saying, like I said, do I think they, I mean, let's put MTS, his name was, was Cole, right? Yeah, Colton. Okay, Colton. To answer his question, I mean, I don't believe that they are interdimensional

aliens in monkey suits or whatever, you know, they come out of, if these, if these creatures, animals,

or beings or whatever, came from another dimension or from outer space and came off about, you know, came off of the blame, off of a spaceship or out of some teleporter,

you know, and have a great, greater intelligence. Boy, when they rough it on a vacation, they really go all out. Yeah. No,

I agree. And so, Ron, here's another question. What is here? Let me get us back on the screen. What is the reward? And this is a question.

What is my reward when I produce a, a dead big, a big foot body. Oh my God. So somebody's saying they want to hunt bigfoot and kill them? By the way, this person is a hunter. Oh,

my gosh. I would like to have a person. You say, I'm sure there's people out there. They'll pay some money. Now, let me get this straight. BFO is a no harm,

no kill organization. Yeah. Okay. Now, I'm sure there's some other people that will do it. But I get to you. this. First of all, if you take aim and shoot at a big foot, it ain't the one in front of you that you need to worry about.

So you think they're running packs? Yeah, that's what I was going to ask. Do they have families? I do believe, oh yeah, they do. And I believe that, yes, they do run in family pods. Yeah, because I have seen a video of somebody had called in 911 or something, and it was another female Bigfoot with a baby. Yeah, that was a report that I did.

Okay. Okay. So here we do. What was that report? It's in the BFRO. This is near a public harness. There's a video of it too, right? I'm sorry.

Was there a video of this? No, but there's a, there's a, there's a artist rendition of the, of the event that was done by Sabella Irwin, a great, great researcher and artist. And anyway, so this old boy, he inherited some land from his father on top of this mountain. And out of a whim, I mean, you know, the old man died about a month. And out of the whim, it was in late December. He decided to go and check out this property. He ain't been there in years.

So he went down this old gravel road, you know, just surrounded by woods and stuff. And he did this early in the morning. He did this early in the morning. And so, you know, he was just, you know, as sunrise was happening in the winter. And as he was going up there, he noticed that this big furrow. ball was, you know, about the size of a cub, a bear cub, was sitting there in the middle of the, of the dirt road. So he slowed down.

He didn't want to hit this, you know, and plus the damage it would do to his car. So he sat down there and he sort of, and this thing just sort of, you know, was huddled up. And he honked the horn. And he, and, and, and it didn't move. But from his, you know, being in the car, from his right-hand side, out of the brush, going downhill, you know, here comes mama. Mama comes out there out of the brush from the right. And without even looking at him, she goes down there, grabs the baby and just in one fluid motion puts her, puts the child on her. her back and of course it grabs on and then proceeds to go back in the brush to his left which was

downhill down the mountain right and as you can imagine here he was you know going for a early morning drive and and his first thoughts was holy shit did i just see this and so he put the vehicle in park, he steps out of his car, and he's watching, you know, as mama makes her descent. Yeah. Because, you know, during the winter, the woods aren't as, the foliage isn't as thick, but he was able to kind of watch this thing go and sit. At this point, he here, this rock about the size of a softball was by his ear and landed on the hood of his car. Oh, my God. Wow.

So he turns around and there was daddy. Big daddy. Oh, my gosh. He wasn't more than 10 feet away from his car. Big, just, you know, look like, I don't know if you're familiar with the wrestlers, but I mean, just. Well, yeah, or Mark Henry and just stood there. And he said, but they had to be like close to eight feet tall. Shoulders like, you know, two and a half to three feet wide.

And just sort of stood there panting a little bit. And they look at each other. And all of a sudden, Daddy just, just scream. I mean, to the point that, you know, the poor guy's ears were bringing. He got back in his car, took off up the road. problem is one-way road. Oh, God. So he went up there to the entrance to his father's property.

He sat there in that driveway, listening to Papa, throwing a fit, you know, throwing rocks and stuff, being a, being a, what's the word I'm looking for, you know, to take attention off of his family. and on the hill. Right. And, you know, and finally, he was quieted down.

He got in the car and hit it back, quite, you know, windows rolled up and, you know, as he was way down, about the place where the baby was, was, was a new, freshly killed deer. Ooh. So the baby was sort of having breakfast.

if you will. So the baby was eating the deer? Did the baby choose the deer? No, I'm sure that was speaking to him. Mama or daddy. And then he went on, didn't stop until he got into town, went to McDonald's, ordered a cup of coffee, and sat for almost an hour and a half just staring at the coffee.

Yeah. thinking like, you know, did all this. And you know what? And you know what? And here's, here's, here's something that, that always is a telltale sign on whether or not they have some out then. He was a very reluctant witness. Mm-hmm. You know, anybody that is eager and I'm talking, oh, I can't wait to tell you this, you know, you know, you. You know, I, but, well, I saw something. And listen. Wait, minute. With that being said, you being with this big organization, I'm sure you get a lot of spottings and a lot of people reporting things. What is your estimate of how many people that report that those things are real?

Yeah. That's a good question. How many reports do you think are authentic? Yes. Yeah. I would say probably out of 100% maybe 35 the 30. A lot of misidentification. Some of it's bull crap, but probably and some people would probably argue with me less than that.

Okay. And by the way, leading into that, okay, okay, okay. It reminds me a doctor for a live. I'm sorry. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. How does that make you feel? Yeah, how does that make you feel?

How does that make you know. So Adam Ray, he does this, he does this amazing comedy special, which is Dr. Phil Live, but holy shitty, so funny. You guys should go check him out. I want to, I want to get to this video, Ron, speaking of credible sightings versus non-credible sightings. Let's get in this recent video that was kind of, I guess you can say kind of going viral on X, right?

And tell me what you think about this. Let's break this down because they got more questions from our viewers, listeners. And I think they're great questions, even though I'm going to have to maybe interject in some of these questions because I think I know how you're going to answer them. But I'm going to interject these questions. But before we get to that, he knows me so well. No, I do. I do. You're like my second wife, Ron.

Well, and we can't forget to tell this. Oh, I beg not. Uncle Ron. Don't let us for. yeah, you guys are crazy. But don't let us forget to tell the Uncle Ron story. Yeah, we would definitely wrong. We have to do that.

We definitely want. All right, so here's a video. This is the most recent video, guys, of, of a big. Yeah, I think I've sold those. Have you seen this? Yeah. All right.

Let's watch it. Good job. So a trucker in Alberta, Canada, kept 11 through 13 foot Sasquatch on his dash camera. Oh, drive. Oh, big up there. This is amazing. and watch you're about to see keep watching music yeah all right here we go see

look at it look at them right there that thing is let's pause there right here okay you see this thing in the woods by the way who who the hell is this guy there's our aspen trees obviously yeah so it looks like colorado or something but who is this guy and why is he going there and why does you have a dash cam and why is he video in the forest these are questions Well, from what I understand, the video was taken by a trucker who happens to live there. And supposedly, he's had a other experience. So he turned his dash cam on to see what he can see. How convened it.

Okay. And so in your experience, well, let's listen to the rest of the video. Here we go. No movement. That's a legit Sasquatch, you guys. 11 through 13. Sure it is. Alberta, Canada.

And he doesn't even notice the Sasquatch at this point. The story, the story says he doesn't notice the Sasquatch until he parks and actually gets out of his truck and sees it walking. And once he sees it, he gets back in the truck and drives outside. Okay. So by the way, why would you... And Ron, I can ask you this question.

He came to see a big dog. He's never noticed before, but he's got his trucking starts running. But would you drive? off if he thought you actually saw a big foot i mean you know for example for ufo people believers um and we're going to talk about this as we watch this again we're going to replay this but for ufo believers they often say that hey if i see a ufo in the forest and i'm camping most ufo like you know the the loyals are going to be like i'm going to that ufo i'm going to that spacecraft because i have to know okay if the big foot if

the big foot is running away, yeah, I'll stop and observe. If the big foot's running towards me, I'm in either full reverse or full drive and getting the hell out of there. Okay. And so why would you- I'm not going to be bluff charged. Sorry. Okay.

So, so explain that for a second. So here we got here we got the actual shot. Okay. First of all, right here. First of all, you have a nocturnal, uh, you have a nocturnal, uh, animal out there in the woods staring back at you and all uh and and and you're nice and happy you know and you're buying your own business and and then all of a sudden headlights come in your face what's the first thing that you are any other animals going to do well if you

think about deer they're going to freeze they're going to freeze but what else are they going to do though ex-exca involuntarily involuntarily well i'm You're going to blink. Oh, yeah. Okay. This thing doesn't blink. Let's see. That's a legit saskatch, you guys,

11 to 13 foot tall. But maybe it does, actually. It don't. If you kind of look at this right here. That thing is huge. Hmm. Notice how the white is reflecting off of the surface. 11 to 13 foot.

Yeah. Like a cut out. So is this real or fake? Do you think? In my opinion, it is fake. Okay. To cut out with reflex with the reflective lens, put about where the eye, where one would have seen the eyes are.

Okay. It doesn't blink and the light is practically, uh, reflecting off of the, uh, off of the material that this thing was made of. But this just makes me so mad. Why do people? Hold on. Hold on. Sorry. Your bike's off.

That just makes me so mad. Why do people try to fake Bigfoot when we're trying to. to see if it's real or not because it just, it makes any other video look, oh, is it fake or not? Are they making it up or not? Because I would really like to know, in my opinion,

Chad and I have talked about this many times. He doesn't really think there is a big foot. I do. I don't know. I don't know. No, I actually too, but I have a different. I just believe there's a big foot. I have a different viewpoint.

We're going to get to this a minute. And the reason why I believe that, too, is because of the interviews we've done with Ron previously when he shows us all the evidence of, you know, even the scat and the, you know, they have footprints. They have all kinds of evidence of real live bigfoot. Yeah, we're going to get into that. I'm just telling you guys, they're real.

All right, guys, real or fake? Here's the next one. Here's the next one. Here we go. Oh, Lord, are you doing this to me again? This is real or fake big foot. Well, let's put it. Well, let's put it this way. His arms are a wee bit short.

Big foot. He's a little bit short. His leg, I mean. Oh, yeah, that's the big foot around. Look at his stance. He looks like a real big foot. He kind of looks like a little foot, really. Yeah, but feet don't even look that good. Look at his view. He's literally belly flopping on the freaking road.

I mean, yeah, not a lot of grace there. I mean, I'm going to go with Big Billy. But I like to stance. He kind of looked like he would look like if he was a big foot. All right, Ron. My foot's big. Yeah. Yeah, sure.

You know what that means. Right? Oh, God, Dad. Well, you know what they say about men with big feet? Yeah, small penises. No, I think it's another way around. No, no, no. They wear big shoes.

Oh, yeah. That's true. That's true. Oh, so it's just the big shoes. It has nothing else to do with other body parts. Ron, what is this interview with the Native American elder witnesses? Yes, tell us a story because I think you went and visited these people, right? Oh, yeah, you'll be able to hear me.

These folks, there is in the northeast part of Oklahoma, there is a small community of Cherokees. in that area. And they live around this area called Cloud Creek. It's pretty cool. And one of the elders, his daughter called me and my partner, Larry Newman, actually called Larry, and then Larry called me. And we decided and said that my father, just saw

Bigfoot chasing down a deer and kill it. And, you know, and of course, Larry and I are going, okay. So, you know, we loaded up the truck and moved to Beverly. But no, we went out there. I mean, we, she called up like on a Wednesday and Thursday,

and we were there the next Saturday morning. And, And so we decided to interview him with video. And now let me tell you something about this guy. I know this guy for almost a year and a half, you know, because we've been out in that area and investigated. And it wasn't until this report that I realized he spoke English. Yeah.

You know, he was very guarded on who he talked to. So when he did this report, it's like, wait a minute. Okay. So, but you will, this all happen in the field across this old dirt road where they live, and while he was sitting on his front porch to his house. So if you want to play the video, it's interesting. Yeah, let's play it. And before we play this, Ron, I'm going to get to another question. Sure. Another question from King James, which is a big guy in our telegram. By the way, everybody, if you have not signed up for our Telegram, you should do it.

We have a chat over there. We talk about all this crazy shit. Today I ask everybody on telegram and said, hey, what is some questions for Ron for the Bigfoot thing? And this is the questions we're getting. Spiritual beliefs. But it comes up, ask him what they think about

the possibility of Bigfoot being a species of nephelin. Okay? I know many times. Yep. Now, now I know Ron has, you know, I know what you said earlier before we did this podcast, but he says, if the fallen angels were making genetic hybrids

in the Old Testament, which is what it says in the Bible, right? What is to say that they are not making us think they are still doing it? Like, why would they not still be doing this type of thing? But then you got to go back to, it depends on the belief, right?

If you don't believe in that, then you would not, you would automatically discount it. But if you do believe in that, then you can't discount it. it because how credible does that sound to you? Nefleum, right, is the offspring of Nephlo. Yeah, it's half angels, half human.

Yes, when the sons of, when the, actually it doesn't even save angels. It just says when the sons of gods laid with the daughters of man, you know, then there was giants on the earth. Yeah. So how credible is that question? Once again, if this is some kind of half human, half spiritual angel or even demon, and they come to this, and they come to this earth to do nothing but, you know, with all this spiritual power and and physical ability and being able to cloak or being able to jump in between

dimensions or whatever. And they come to the earth to be but naked and furry and go dumpster diving. Once again, I'm going to say it when they go when they go on a vacation, they really go primal. And I have to go back to the fact when you did have this experience and you saw what you thought was Bigfoot, you smelt that stench or that nastiness. And I'm not so sure. Well, I'm not saying anything, but I don't think Nephloom would have a smell. Well, that's not true. That's not true.

Because here's a thing. Yeah, if it was a demon, then it would have a stench of sulfur, right? Yeah. You're right. And so. So what is the difference between what you? smell when you smell, not the way you smell, but the way you smelt it, was it a sulfur smell? No. I mean, I've been to, I've been to springs in Colorado, the pocket springs. And believe me,

those springs are sulfur. Oh, yeah. It smells like a disgusting toot. It's a rotten egg, yeah. Yeah. And then also, too, you know, to that question. know back to the question of, hey, if some, if a, if a, if a, if a big foot is a physical being, you know, this question from Michael Wilson says, with all the satellite and technology that we have today, well, why can't we find more evidence than Bigfoot then? What kind of evidence do you want? Like I said, it's only, here's the vein. Michael, right?

Yeah. Here's the vein, Michael. Who says that we don't have the evidence necessary to prove that they're wrong. that they are a living, breathing organism on this earth. It is very arrogant of man to believe that we have discovered everything that this earth has to offer. But here's the thing. We have hair samples. We have SCAS samples.

We have blood samples. We have audio recordings of vocalizations. We have video, legitimate video. All of this brought to us before all this. digital mockery that's come about. Okay? And by the way, by the way,

Ron, to what you're saying right now, we also had another question is, has there been any DNA recovered? If so, what does it show? Yeah, in the DNA, yeah,

in the DNA and in the scat, scantples, the blood samples, the hair samples, you know, yada, yada, yada.

Here's the thing, for physically speaking, we have enough evidence to convict a murderer, okay? Yeah. But here's the thing. With the DNA, without having a subject X to compare the DNA that was found in the field, it is a unknown primate. Yeah.

That's it. I mean, we even have a person that took, has taken palm prints and, and dermal ridges off of feet and stuff that works, that worked for a forensic outfit, you know, for the, for the, uh, Texas Rangers. And I'm not talking about the damn bait. Walker, Texas. But how do you know these scat, where do they get the blood? samples from? How did they know these blood samples were from Bigfoot? Oh, well,

roads, I mean, you know, okay, you got one, you hear, you hear this, you have an example of one the example, and this is, you know, from memory. They, they came across one. It took off running, okay? And when it took off running, it hit a barbed wire fence, lit out of howl, but kept on running. Went to the fence and they found hair and, you know,

little chunks of skin with, you know, just a dab. Yeah. The dab of blood. So that's where they're on the samples from

collecting the evidence and it's in it to a forensic scientist and a lot of those big footprints. I mean, a lot of those prints, John, I mean, Dr. Jeffrey Mildrin, you know, is he specializes in that kind of stuff, and he is a professor from Idaho, I believe. And he, and he points out the derm, the, the, the, the, the, the carpal break of the, of the, of the feet and the, and the, and the, and the, and the prince and stuff.

and if you ever get a chance of his breakdown of the Patterson game with him, if you ever get a chance to hear him speak about that, you will sit there and amaze. Amazed. All right. So here's my question, Ron. If Bigfoot was a voter, who would he vote for Kamala Harris or President Trump?

Oh, my God. Honestly, shit. Bigfoot don't give a rat's ass. I want to get back to Bigfoot for just a minute. How do you know you've come across or whoever has come across it, Bigfoot Scat? Like, how is this scat different from other animals that you would know from Bigfoot? Well, honestly, I mean, you know, how do you know you came across human scat?

But honestly, well, it really depends on what they hate, you know. like watermelon or something. But, you know, you find scat nearby where, you know, footprints or something like that, you gather the print. And nine times out of ten, it will show up another animal. I mean, let's face it. The investigation and research and the gathering of evidence for Bigfoot, You got to go through like anything worth going after, whether it be gold or diamonds or or precious jewels.

You got to go through a whole lot of digging and a whole lot of dirt in order to find that nugget of gold. Yeah. You know? Absolutely. Ron, so let me ask you this because we got to get in some deep stuff for a minute. Wait, one more question. Wait, I want one more question. Have we ever have found any kind of bone structures or skeletons?

Well, except for the skeletal remains of a gigantic pentacas from Asia. I don't believe so. And we can get into that. But first, before we do, are you going to show that video of the tribal council? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's share the video. Yes, and this is when Ron went to visit these tribes. And I think it was fantastic because I think it would be an amazing experience.

just to even go around a tribe like that that is so ritual, I guess. Yeah, well, yeah, ritualistic in nature. And we're going to get to the point of why is in particular why Indian tribes are very in tune with Bigfoot, what they also call wild man's, right? Is it as a wild man is a tribe has a different name for it. Well, you know, we have to bring up skin walkers too. Yeah, skin walkers. We're getting that.

But let's go to the Native American. Elder witness to a deer, to a deer being chased by a saskwatcher. Here you go. July 19th, 2014, Cloud Creek. God, 10 years ago. We came here today because your daughter told us that, what was it, a week or two weeks ago? Yeah, something like it. Two weeks ago?

Yes, two weeks ago. You were sitting on the front porch like you are today. Just right there right here. And what was it about, what time of day was it? About 3 o'clock. About 3 o'clock in the afternoon. And you were sitting back in, what in your words did you see? I just sitting down out there.

And I left at it. I was seeing something over there. where we're going and they just keep running. I didn't look behind him until I saw it I saw it jump like this. They put you right there behind him. So the first thing you saw was a, what was it? It was a deer?

Yes, a deer. I saw it until I just watched a deer running. running, I was wondering what how come is running so fast. Yeah. And I went down like this and they put just right there behind a big. How big would you say it be? Oh, it's probably seven. So about seven feet tall?

And what color, what color, did they have long hair or short hair? Yeah, kind of long hair. It was a gray one. A gray one. And it was running right behind the deer? Yeah, it was right behind them. When it was just dropped there. It just fly, it just went down right there.

So the deer, so the deer jumped, ran across for your vision, them and he went into the brush and the big foot was right behind it yeah one down yeah and I there's a fence row right there and they're between that field and they I heard a bounce over there seemed like uh-huh and uh just right after that and I'm about way over there somewhere I said wow Like that, then it just, boom. I guess you slammed the deer on a growling or something.

So you heard the deer bleeding, like something grabbed the hold of it. Yeah. And then you heard a big old thud or thump. Yeah. Huh. And then it got quiet after that. Not quite. Yeah, nothing.

So when you saw that big foot, how long did you, would you, I mean, in seconds, minutes, how long would you say you saw it? Oh, second, I guess. Second or two. Ron, let me ask you, did, like, how close to relation could this be of a bear? Like, what is your thoughts on that? Listen to the rest of the story. Okay.

All right. Let's listen. Your holes over there, man. And the bear in the foliage. I'm seeing it. deer right there and was just pretty close right there. Yeah. And the deer went down right there and it was...

How close would you say it was behind the deer? It's quite close as you are. So I'm approximately about six feet away front of you. Yeah. And when it was running, were you able to, Was it on, was it running on fours or, um, or two legs or? No, I don't think. It's four legs.

It's two, I think. Yeah, he's running on two legs and not running all fours. Arm life case. Hunt for life. Oh, leaning forward? Yeah. See that? It's close to.

Yeah, he leaned down. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. He's gone driving. Maybe it's a flip-lop. And when you saw it for the second or two that you saw it, did you just see the back or did you see it side or did you see it spread? Not seeing the whole thing.

From a side angle or a front angle? Side angle. Side angle? All righty. How broad would you say the shoulders were? Oh, probably. That's pretty thick. Yeah.

So I would say by what way you had your hands, approximately what, three feet wide, four, three to fourth, five wide? That's a good spot for the good idea about what it was. Yeah, I like that. Ron, we got to explain that for people that are listening because they're not going to understand what's going on. Explain this real quick of what's going on here. That's me across the road. from their point of view, and that's about the distance of where he saw this thing go across,

chasing after the deer. Now, it looks a little dark, but we were there like 9 o'clock of the morning, 3 o'clock in the afternoon. That place was totally lit up. Yeah. So, so explain this to people, because there's probably a lot of people that can't understand what he's saying. Very thick Native American accent.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you did a pretty good job with trying to elaborate. But so he basically saw what is it that signals out to you that this was a Bigfoot versus a bear? Well, first of all, there's not very many gray bears in Northeast Oklahoma. The only bears that we pretty much only have is our black bears. And two, he was talking about how the bear was, I mean the bear, the big foot was looping. if you watched him when he was explaining himself, how it was loping to get up and to catch this deer in front of it.

Plus, you know, in the middle of the summer, bears don't really, they're not that active. I mean, towards getting, I mean, this is unusual. And also something that, you know, may put a little insight. but his, him and his family and some of the neighbors, they're familiar with that big old gray, gray squash. It's been around. You know, I mean, it was not unusual for them to see it. Every once in a while, you know, they go outside to do whatever in the morning, and there it was not more than 10 feet from the front of their house, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. It's been around. Yeah, that's what's so interesting to me. because, you know, you hear this experience with the Native Americans, right? And you go back to the Skinwalker Ranch incidents, right? Where the shapeshifters, the, you know, I guess you can call them shapeshifters, but more in particular, the Skinwalkers, which, you know, envelop themselves in some type of animal.

Animal, right? Yeah. The Skinwalkers is sort of a, and basically it's more or less Navajo origin. It's the skin walkers are more of a witch, if you will. Yeah. A mystical person that can change into not only, you know, whatever they want, I mean, into a wolf or a, or a, not an owl, or a bird or, no, Native American, there are some Native American, including the Cherokee, Apache, Navajo, that consider owls,

a vein of bad omen, their breeders of death. Now, Ron, do you think that you yourself are, I want to ask this in a question that, listen, I can promise you, every question I'm going to ask you is very similar. You know, the spiritual beliefs, the relating to missing 401, which we will get to, the missing 401, which is David Pallied,

and kind of his investigations, in the wild with people that went missing. But then you also have many of these things talking about, you know, the interdimensional beings, right? Are they going in and out of dimensions? That's maybe why we can't find them. Listen, I will say to the people that listen to us and to a lot of people that submitted questions, I think that, and I'll give you my critique in the Bigfoot research and all

that. And this is just my standpoint. This is not you guys standpoint, what you guys done for so long. But what if you guys are missing a key element in this, which is, you know, if you had to go in front of a judge to try to prove the existence of Bigfoot,

would you rather go there with what the physical evidence, evidence you have right now, or would you rather go there with a argument of the potential, either spiritual or interdimensional or whatever, theory. I mean, and I probably know what your answer is going to be to this, but because that, because you think, I guess, it's like, and I think a lot of, you know, I guess what you would say, maybe reality-based people, they say Bigfoot is either physical or he's non-existent. But what if it is an in-between? And, and I think, I think that's something that.

You show me the science behind that, and I will believe it. Okay, but you show me another animal on that's God's green earth, they can jump between dimensions, and I believe it. You show me another animal that can cloak, like a, a, a,

a, a, uh, a, a, a, uh, a, but, but show me another animal,

like Bigfoot that can do what Bigfoot does without being caught. And elude people for all these years. Mm-hmm. Yeah, show me another physical animal. Well, first of all, they don't always elude.

There's been, many a report, but far as, as far as being captured or, okay, yeah, see, here's where I differ from, a scientific way of doing things. In order for science to acknowledge and, and recognize a different species, they have to use the same type of method that they, that they came to, recognize the great, the great apes of Africa. And that didn't happen until the turn of the 19th century. Yeah. And that, and you know what it was, either catch it,

either a live one in a cell or a dead one on the slab. How archaic is that? Yeah. Even though we have the forensic science that can convict and put a man either on a, on death row or. or in life or prison. Yeah. Even though we have the forensic science that proves that a unknown primate is out there,

we have to have a dead one on this lab or one in the cell. I refuse to resort to that way of scientific. Identifying, yeah, identifying Bigfoot. is you refuse to have a dead bigfoot. Well, I refuse to be in the party. Now, if one was to be on the side of the road dead of natural causes, yeah, you're right. I will call up whoever and, you know,

and we'll be on it like stink on a Sasquatch. But for me to go out there with a gun and help me down a big foot, ain't going to do it. It ain't because I'm scared of it. It's because I can't do that. I'm not going to go out there to kill something for this. And Ron, by the way, I think my belief on Bigfoot, if I'm ever going to believe Bigfoot, I feel like I don't give a shit what kind of gun you have or special optics or you could take

the best SWAT team or Secret Service team. You can't take those guys nowadays because they're not going to play shit. But you take the best team in the wilderness to find Bigfoot. You're not going to find him. And so Bigfoot and Bigfoot. family eludes all humans. Okay, so listen, Ron, let me ask you this. I think, I think, and I got to ask this.

But I'm just saying that I, in my opinion, Chad, you're going on the dimensional thing. Absolutely. I don't think they're dimensional. I think they're real like Ron says. I think there are actual primates that live on this earth, just like lions and tigers and dogs. Bears of my. Yeah. No, but listen.

And they just, they have a way of alluding. It's kind of like this. That's what I don't believe. You think about I just I don't know. Why? Why don't you believe that there is not a primate that has the intelligence probably more than a 12-year-old child that knows the

that knows the woods of the area that it lives in better than you know your own backyard that is that that goes around primarily in the in the in the in at night. and, you know, and Shones, the presence are being around the company a man, and he's like a deer where you can put out, where you can hold out your hand, and the thing will come licking, you know, licking out of the palm of your hand.

Yeah. It's going to happen. Well, okay. So, so. I want to compare real quick. Well, he was asking me a question. Well, I want to just compare real quick, Chan.

and then I'll let you have that for. I'm going to forget what I was going to say. Okay, well, remember it because you do that to me all the time. Think about this. Thinking about these people that live on these islands and have never, ever come in contact with humans. And when humans try to come in contact with them, they're like shooting bows and arrows at them. They don't want them near them. But we know where they're at, though.

And we know. Yeah, but we know. I mean, and to the question of the people that said, you know, with the technology of satellites we have nowadays. We can basically see every living thing on this freaking earth. With either thermals or satellite imagery, whatever the case may be. And so even with satellite imagery going down on a forest, the foliage of a forest is like trying to look through a brick wall. Yeah. Well, I, listen, by the way, I'm not, I'm not saying this. I'm not trying to debate based on Bigfoot's not real. I just feel like,

by the way, I do feel like Bigfoot Israel. I just feel like that he is. real in a different way than you think he is. And this is my opinion, your opinion is very based. It is like... In my opinion, it's valid as long as it has rational thought. Yeah.

Your opinion is based. Yeah. And if you were to say, well, I think they're outer space. Well, why do you think that? Because I do. Screw that. I don't think your opinion is valid.

I don't think outer space, but I do think that the more we've talked about interdimensional stuff, And, you know, it's one of those things about like, when you think about the Bible or God or whatever, and whether you're religious or not, the big argument against God or against the Bible is that if I can't see them, I don't believe in it, right? Yeah, but we have proof of them. We have their scat. We have their fur. We have their DNA.

We have everything. Ron, do we really have that physical evidence? We have physical evidence of a unknown. primate. Now, unless there's another kind of primate that we don't know about, okay, I guess, you know, if it's an unknown primate and it's out there in the woods of the North American continent, what do you think? Yeah.

But I have a question. How many other primates in North America are there that live in the wild? None, basically. Just us. There is no other in North America. I'm sure there's some where some pet of some sort

got loose. And about going out there with the gun and all that good stuff, let me tell you a little story. And you probably remember out there in the state of New York where this woman had a pet chimpanzee grew it, I mean, you know, raised it since it was a little babe to, to the point that it was a adult, right?

And a lot of people don't realize, you know, when they see a chimpanzee, they see a cheetah from Tarzan or something. Oh, how cute, you know. Or in my day, it was BJ in the Bear. I don't know if you remember that television show. You know, oh, how cute. No, when they grow up, chimpanzees are mean. full son of bucks, okay? For some reason, I mean, it was very, it was very, uh, uh,

respective of its mother, if you will, but, uh, anybody else, for some reason, a friend of hers came over, another woman and they were, uh, and they were, you know, having a visit and the chimpanzee got, uh, got very aggressive towards this woman's, uh, friend and then became very violent. And one of the things that it did is it bit the face off of this poor woman. Okay. The woman that owned this chimpanzee called the police and they and a patrolman came over there and it started to get out and then the chimpanzee went after the policeman. Okay.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. He jumped back in his car, locked the door. That chimpanzee grabbed the hold of that door, ripped it open, and started going after the policeman, where the policeman had no choice but empty a full clip of a 9mm pistol into the chimpanzee. Guess what? It didn't die immediately. It got up, it went, and walked back into the,

house, called back into its bed and then proceeded to die. Now, that's a chimpanzee. Imagine another primate that if it was shot and do you honestly think that it's going unless it's a kill shot like in the middle of the forehead, which, yeah, good luck with that. do you really think that it's just going to fall over dead? All right, Ron, I've got to ask you to that point what you're talking about here, right? There's been a lot of people that have asked these questions, right? And some of these questions are, let me actually get to the question.

We're talking about missing 411. And I'll explain what missing 411 is for people that don't know, right? but what about missing 411? So could Bigfoot lead people into prosperity in the wilderness when they are lost in some cases to where? Just leading them to savior or to rescue. Or letting them come into their pack. Or that happens.

That would be crazy. No, but more specifically, the people ask or would they lead them off a cliff, right? this is kind of a philosophical question. Once again, we are talking about individuals, but go ahead. We are. But Missing Forward One was based on the book series with David Paul Lee's Missing 4-1 Chronicles, The Unsolved Yet Irrely Similar Disappearances of five children in the Wilds of North America across multiple decades, a real-life horror story for those involved.

The film examines each case that multiple perspectives in an attempt to shed light on the unsettling topic now the less drought of survivor man and Obama appointed former secretary of interior tin salazar are both interviewed for their insight into the topic as are the families who have fallen victim to tragedy now david paul leads is also huge on all of these people in particular out in the west right these people go hiking or camping and it's not just in the west is also in Canada. They highlight and depict certain situations in Alberta and all these places where people go hike in and they disappear never to be seen from again.

There is no trace of them ever. And so you might think, well, Canada, that makes a little more sense because you got this mass swath of land. You could easily probably disappear in some back country to where you eventually just disintegrate. Your bones will probably be there and they'll probably washed down the, you know, wash down the mountain side eventually and you'll probably by porcupines.

Or whatever, yeah. But the weird thing is out west when you go into some of this high desert country and to where there's not a lot of places for you to actually not be found, right? And these people, in particular, in this story missing four and one about the kids, where the hell are these people going? Because there's always been, the predominant story is they, maybe got abducted by UFOs. And I know that,

especially for you, because you're not a big UFO guy. No, no, I believe there's UFOs. I'm not convinced that Bigfoot and UFOs are connected. I get that. Okay,

so I get that. But what if Bigfoot's are responsible for some of these missing 4-1-1 encounters, these things that people just disappear? Like, there is no absolute. Do you think Bigfoot evil or good? Do you think Bigfoot,

Bigfoot would be evil or good to people? That depends on, okay, far as Native Americans go, it really depends on the tribe. You got some tribes of Native Americans that calls it Big Brother. You got other, call it the stone giants that eats children. You know, it's either the furry godmother or the boogeyman. Right. What do primates eat? Well, they can be as the Native Americans.

Well, what is their main dinosaurs? What is their main diet, primate? Or far as Bigfoot, they're omnivores. Just monkeys. Monkeys or Bigfoot. What's their primary diet? Well, it depends on the monkey, but, I mean, on the species. But as far as squashes go, they're omnivores.

They eat both vegetation and meat. Okay. And they're good scavengers, too. And then keep this in mind, too. If we're talking about Bigfoot, we obviously know about the, the tale of primates and especially chimps, you know, chimps are very violent. Well, you think about Planet of the Apes, for example, the movie.

Yeah, but. Right. But if you think about like a chimp and how strong a chimp is, like they will rip your freaking face off and they've done it. That's one of the first things that they go for, that or your genitals. Yes. And they can literally rip your arms off your freaking torso.

like they're that strong. And most people look at little chimps, they're like, oh, they're so cute. They're going to just rip my face off. They are usually, what is it, like five to ten times stronger than people? I mean, some of these chimps look like bodybuilders. I mean, they're insanely ripped. And, you know, chimpanzees, like I said, they're evil, man.

I mean, I shouldn't say that. But, you know, cannibalism is very common amongst chimpanzees. Oh, wow. you know, troops will go after other troops and absolutely obliterate them. I mean, if you ever get a chance to read Jane Goodall's stories about, you know, when she was researching chimpanzees, you know, some of them you like, like flow, and then there's others, I mean, they were like demon seeds, you know. How different is that people that point?

Well, the point that I'm making, though, is you have a primate that is, yes, larger, but is more resourceful and probably more intelligent and not as heavily populated. I mean, I would, conservatively speaking, I would guess that there is, now there's some people. I've heard, well, there's over a million squashes. I doubt that. But I would estimate in the North American continent, and this includes Canada, that there are probably some around 50,000 squashes throughout America and Canada. Wow. Now, you say wow.

You say wow. 50,000? Okay, we're talking about the entire North American continent. though. That 50,000 isn't even a big size for a halfway decent town nowadays. Yeah, that's 50,000 individuals spread out over the entire North American continent. But I guess I say wow is because we have never actually have evidence of them, really, except for the 1967 Gimel.

There's stuff out there, but, you know, I mean, we could go over this and that. and I can put Okay. So Ron, listen. So back to the question that someone asked us earlier and he's a big, listen, King James and our telegram, we don't know his name, but he goes by King James. And it's kind of funny because he's one of the, yeah, he's one of the most versed in the Bible, right? And so I, most people, most people know our stance on the Bible.

It's like, we're just trying to investigate it, right? We're just trying to investigate, you know, historical tests. but would you say that the same thing with chimps and what we're talking about chumps and monkeys and primates that doesn't necessarily mean that all chimps and monkeys and primates are bad some are probably evil they got some kind of evil shit in them and there's others that may not be just like humans and just like do you I mean if if this if this population in Bigfoot where you're talking about exist right? Right.

Right. Would you have this subset of the population that is good and a subset of the population is bad? Would it be any different to people? Well, like I said, it depends on the individual. Exactly. So you don't think it's like across the board, like if Bigfoot's, say, 50,000, 50,000 bigfoots want to kill all people.

Well, it's like 50,000 of them, are 20,000 of them liberal and, you know, Yeah, exactly, or something. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, let's put it there. Okay, for an example, not on how, you know, and I, I mean, David Polatti, he, he goes around the Bigfoot circuit. He's made his books, and I'm sure whatever evidence that he presents, now, if you ask the man, he will never say that it, that, you know, he will never positively identify it as Bigfoot on, and it's, you know, on his, in his books. Yeah.

He just leaves the possibility that it's there. And it's not all about Bigfoot. It's other things, too. 4.1.1 is basically like a 9-1-1 for missing people. Yeah. Out there in the woods. Oh, yeah. Okay.

So you're asking how Bigfoot would interacts or what they would do to dogs, right? Meaning for to people. Okay. Well, I really can't. Let's go away from that for, I don't, you know, The difference between that to what I do know on how they treat dogs. Okay. So a friend of mine, Scott Nelson, great linguistic, you got to talk to him sometime. A friend of mine, he did a report where not too far away from Kansas City area.

This old boy knew he had a stretch of land farm and evidently during certain times of the year, he would have a migratory troop, if you will, come through there every other year, right? And he always knew when they were in the area because they would throw rocks on his roof to let them know that they're in the area. And plus, he'd be hearing around that area where people's dogs would go missing.

So what he would do is, when they threw rocks on his roof, that was his, that was them telling him, telling him, okay, start gifting us, which he has done in the past. So he'll take a big old bowl of dog food of some sort, go away from his house, put it on this stump, and there it is. Some people would say that was, that's the most idiotic thing to do, but anyway. And it could have been, and you know, and sure enough, next day it'd be empty.

And, of course, the argument can be made that, you know, this was probably just, some bear, raccoon, or whatever, what have you, right? Yeah. Until one day the guy went out there and he found return gifts. Mm-hmm. The return gifts were the torn off collars of the poaches that would disappear. Oh, God. Pretty bad.

That's terrible. Now, on the other hand, on the other hand, I myself was on that was at when this happened. I was in an area, which I believe was a habitation area. And it was like the Friday after Thanksgiving. I remember that because I was tired of visiting with people. I wanted to go out in the woods.

And so I called up the property owner and gave them a call, say, hey, you mind me coming out. And sure. So I went out there around 730. And, of course, being that it's the day after Thanksgiving, it's pretty much, you know, all dark by that time at seven, between 7.7.30. Now, these people had property sort of a met in a hauler or a hollow if you want to go there, but in a holler. And they just had a little double wide out there. They weren't rich people, but they were good people.

and they had a double-wide and a barn, and they had some animals, some ducks and chickens and a horse and whatnot. And they also had during the summer they had an above-ground swimming pool. So there was a ring of sand right there in their front yard. Well, during the winter, they would set up a bonfire and sit around and stuff. Well, right about eight or eight-thirty, we were. sitting around the bonfire and they had these two dogs, a German shepherd that was quite old and a great Pyrenees. Now, great Pyrenees, I don't know if you know what they look like.

Oh, yeah. They look like St. Bernard's all except they're all white. Right. Very scary son of guns. And they called that one bandit. So we were sitting there in about 830 from the west of us, not, I mean, you know, from a distance, probably about a half of or a quarter of a mile, we hear a vocalization, you know, just, whew! And we're sitting there and I'm like, whoa, those dogs just went ape shit. No pun. So they got up, they got up and started running towards where that, that, the Hal came from, right? And now the German sheriff was old, so it didn't go very far. It just made its way back up to the fire, the fire ring, you know what I'm saying, and lay down.

But you can hear that great pair of knees, tearing until those woods is bark, bark, bark, bark, bark. And there's a difference between, with a dog, there's a difference between I'm looking for your bark and I found you bark. Well, within five or ten minutes, sure enough that I'm looking for your bark turning to I found you bark, bark, bark, you know. Well, at that point, then we heard a, and bark, burke, bark, bark, burr.

Oh. Burt, break, burr. And then it got quiet. Wow. At that point, I went, oh, shit. That dog is a moat moon now. Yeah. And the vein is I've been working with these people because, you know,

they would have visitations every once in a while. And I was trying to convince them not, you know, kicking the front door open with both guns blazing, you know? And the last thing I needed was a dead dog on my hand, especially a great Parisese pet. And so I didn't say anything. We just carried on them. Fortunately, the woman was quite the talker.

And we just carried on a conversation. And I'm like, you know, listen to him. Uh-huh. Me, listen to them talking. And I'm like listening for something. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh.

Yeah. Well, then for too long, she noticed that Bandit, the Great Pyrenees, has not returned yet. Bandit, Bandit, where is that damn dog? So I chose the subject and we start talking some more. And then about five minutes later, Bandit! So we were talking. And then about 10 minutes after her last call for Bandit to show up, here comes that dog. You can see it because it's white, you know.

You can see it from the glow of the five of the five. of the bonfire, it coming towards the ring of the light of the fire, right? Yeah. With a fresh, torn off leg of a deer in its mouth. Blood's still dripping. Damn. She goes, what, Bannon, where the hell did you get that?

At that point, I got up, I smiled, I wished them a good holiday and a good night. And I, and I, I'm not sure, but I'm not sure. I think I skipped, you know, too much. Wow. You're like, I'm out of here. Yeah. And that's cool. They didn't kill that dog and they could have.

Yeah. But instead, and they were probably very familiar with Bandit, you know, because they visit, you know, they had a visitation going. And, but that, that one finally out of protest, said, fine, here, take it. Now leave me alone. How many times we've done this to their own dog? Mm-hmm. So, or cat? Yeah, it's like, finally, just leave me alone.

Here you go. Take it and get out of my face. And listen. Go back to sleep, please. Yeah. And listen, I don't want to sound like when I say this, I don't want to sound like an asshole to the Bigfoot community that thinks that the Bigfoot is real, as in physical.

And I think that Ron, for sure you do. But I think that the Bigfoot, foot community could definitely use some outside thinking methods with people. I'm sure. Believe me, there's nothing more there's nothing more diversified than the big foot public. Exactly.

I mean in the community, I'm talking it's more, it's more diversified than, than UCLA. I'm telling you. Yeah. There's a lot of diversity in the way of thinking. There's a lot of stuff.

There's a lot of people. that believe the way you think, Shane, and there's a lot of people that believes in that beautiful wife of yours likes. The simple fact of it, and then, you know, you got everything in between. Yeah. There is, okay, I will quote Yoda,

there is no absolute in the force. Yeah. Absolute leads to the dark side. Yeah. Anytime, you tell me, and see, Ice had, and I had a, yet. I had a eyewitness experience myself.

But to this day, I will never tell you that 100% that was a big foot. Now, I'm 98% sure it was. For he thinks, I mean. Well, I say that it's 100%. Well, the way you go about explaining it and the way that you smelt it before you saw it, it all makes sense to me. and then you're on a platform, you're 6'4 and your eye-to-eye to it.

You know, I don't think you're lying about the experience. No, absolutely not. No. That is not like a made-up story. So it has to be something that you saw. Yeah. And the only explanation to me is a book big foot. Yeah, well, listen.

Well, let's go to this way. If I'm swimming in the middle of the ocean and something takes a big bite on my ass, I don't think it was an octopus. Yeah, exactly. It's a shot. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

And I guess my, my, my viewpoint. If it looks like it does, if it looks like it does, if it, you know, that it is that. Yeah. My viewpoint on this, I guess, just for everyone that is listening, my viewpoint on this is that if I see this thing in the wood, just like your experience and just like many other experiences, you know, we, we have, I'm assuming, Ron, you've heard the 911 call where the guy calls 911 about this thing. his yard and I wish I don't know. Vegas or what are you talking about which one? No, we're talking about a big foot. Okay.

Yeah, up in Oregon. And so my, my thinking is like I guess where my thought process goes is that if I can't go with the most advanced, say I have a helicopter or a freaking drone or whatever it is, I can

send this drone through the woods as soon as I see this thing and I can instantaneously send this drone through the woods to go after. Maybe this, maybe this drone has a thermal imaging. Think about this. Maybe it has a lot of money to replace a lot of drones,

but go ahead. But yeah, but listen. So say that I see this thing in my yard, just like the 911 call or just like maybe your experience or others, and I have a drone that has thermal imaging technology, and it is heat seeking. So it can,

it can go around trees and all the shit. So say that this thing still disappears based on my drone, technology and say that even if I send my drone with thermal imaging and heat seeking technology to where it will not hit trees, but it's going to follow that thing into the wilderness and then say that thing just disappears. Then you've got to start asking some very, very serious questions with yourselves. And has that actually happened, Chad? Has somebody actually had drone footage of a big foot and it just disappears?

Well, that's the question is because I don't. Listen, I 100% know the United States government has heavily advanced technology, and I understand that the foliage argument and all that stuff. Yeah, but I don't even think they give a crap. No, they do. Absolutely. First, Ted, how I want to answer your question, I guess it was a question. Well, yeah. First of all, if them butts were candy and nuts, what a wonderful Christmas party we'd have.

to the far as you know like I said very diversified in the way of thinking as far as far as the research and with the right equipment to do it with you got to remember we don't get funding yeah we don't have we have no funding but our own okay people get mad at BFRO because on those expeditions, you know, we asked for a certain amount of money. Hey, guess what? That's what keeps BFRO alive. Yeah. You know, what, what if we funded it, Ron?

Listen, what if we funded an expedition with a, by the way, this is not cheap. But if you get a drone, no, no, no, screw the moneymaker. I'm not not screw the Mondaymaker but what I'm saying is not screw them I don't I mean nothing against our no alternative lifestyle

sorry sorry moneymaker yeah okay yeah just go look at the Olympic as us but listen but say that we have a drone that has thermal technology and heat seeking technology and we can bring it on the expedition

I think that's the way we got to go. Because listen, if for say, there's no way that government does not either know or don't know that Bigfoot exists with the technology. There are certain research that happened upon some money that is utilizing drone technology. If you go to BFRO.net, Mr. Moneymaker goes through a whole litany of, efforts with the new drone technology to do the research. And you know what? More power to them and I wish them the very best on this.

There's a lot of people using a lot of things. But once again, you guys got to remember, we are not funded by any government agency or something like that. Well, we'll find you. We are, dude, think about a thermal camera, even though we're talking about 40 grand probably okay 40 grand won't even get you a good vehicle to get into

the really tight spots but anyway well we're talking no we're talking a research we're talking millions of dollars it would be like the skin Walker ranch type millions of dollars oh god you got to

You got to get somebody to fund it. I'm down with $40,000. We are not millionaires, Chad. I'm just saying that we are trying to conduct a full-price research on garage-sell, on a garage-sell finance. I got you. That makes sense. But what if we can get a thermal imaging drone?

They're working on that. Check out, check out bifero. I think we can get it tomorrow. Chad is telling you, Ron, that he wants to go on an adventure, a, not an adventure, what's it called? A expedition. Yeah, we can connect. And we're going to get the drones out there. If we ever get the calls back or they, you hear a call coming back.

Yeah, you're right. That's the thing. That would be like, so for example, the audio we played earlier, right, with Mike and what was it with Mike and you and, or was that? Matt? Yeah, Matt, not Mike. Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt. You keep thinking he's Magic Mike, but he's Matt. Not Magic Mike. But no, so, yeah, so for that, though, I mean, you start hearing these callbacks. That's when you launched a drones and you're trying to. And you're looking for the thermal energy. And thermal imaging does work. I can give you an example of a thermal image that was done a few years ago. and unless it was Shaquille O'Neal butt naked and in the middle of the woods, you know, at 2 o'clock in the morning, you know, odds are it was a squash that you get.

And I will share that with you sometime. So you guys have this evidence of thermal imaging of what you think is a squash. Sure. You know, I'm talking about, not a squash, but, you know, I can't even say soft squash. Saus squash. Do you have evidence from the squash? A squash. Sasquish.

Sasquish. All right. So, Ron, listen, with all this said, we would love to help out any way we can

to further the research on Bigfoot because that's why I'm saying, like I'm not saying it to where. No, there was a signing. Hold on. Hold on. There was a signing in North Carolina,

Ron. Of course. There's been. North Carolina, which is a state above us, where there was a, a signing and I saw it. It was going across the street and a mother videoed this thing, Chad.

I'm saying North Carolina. It happened in North Carolina. That's where we need to go look. I know, but there's tons of sightings everywhere. My point to this is if there's any way we can help in the advancement of the research of Bigfoot, we would love to do it. We would love to put money there. I mean, we can write that shit off.

I mean, that's part of our business. And if we got to get a thermal dream. to get out into a place to where we got to get, we'll do it. Yeah, but Ron said we need the vehicles. Well, I think at the very least, we can get a thermal drone that has, you know, thermal more than one. And you can probably do that. But I think, I think if you're, if you're letting out a call and you're hearing a call from a

certain location, you launch that drone. These drones, by the way, in most cases are the bigger drones. They can carry the actual camera systems that are. I think they have to carry up to 20 pounds. So you're talking about about a 20 pounds. Yeah, there's already enough that's doing that. Are they not capturing anything? I mean, because I really don't know what they have presented so far.

Hmm. What's interesting? I just want to know the truth about Bigfoot because I'm not saying. Yeah, I'm not saying Bigfoot don't exist. I'm just saying, you know, your standpoint on on Bigfoot is physical. my standpoint is maybe it's just more advanced. Maybe it's more advanced. Well, I think what.

Once again, it depends on the person that you talk to. My opinion, it's flesh and blood. I got you. That makes sense. I agree with Ron. So Ron, what is your, so what is your plans for the future? Are you still in the Bigfoot hunt? Is it something that's still on your mind?

Oh, definitely. Always. So are you going to go on more expeditions in the future? Yeah. And you've led a lot. Actually, it's not very far from now. I'm actually going to go on an Alaskan cruise with my wife of 23 years. We were supposed to do it on our 20th, but you know what happened three years ago, so that didn't happen.

Yeah. But we're going to go on an Alaskan cruise, a 10-day Alaskan cruise, this Friday, which I'm like. Yeah. Are you going to bring your Santa outfit? Sam outfit. Your Santa outfit? No, my wife would kill me dead and they would never find my body because it'd be underneath an iceberg somewhere. And then 10,000 years ago, what?

Some archaeologists will be looking through the icebergs. What the, what the, anyway? But no. Then after that, I will be speaking at a conference. in southern Illinois, Mount Vernon, Illinois on September 7th. And then on October 5th, I will be speaking at the, at Arkansas playing on October 5th in Arkansas. And if I can get some good, some squatching in between, I'm looking forward to it. That would be awesome.

I did go to a West Virginia expedition. a couple of months ago. Oh my God, that area is beautiful. It is beautiful, yeah. And that's a thing about it. When you're going to look for squash, and I don't know how to say it, right, squash, whatever. It's not only that, squash, squatch, squatch.

It's not only that, but when you're going and camping and going in these beautiful areas, it's like, oh, my gosh, you're not in the same world you live in. Well, Ron already said, Ronnery said he likes the woods, and I love the woods too. I keep telling Sherry, like, we got to get to the woods. because especially when you talk about stuff we talk about on this podcast all the time,

which is bad shit, in most cases, which is why I like talking about Bigfoot. You just want to get to the woods sometimes and just like erase everything. Oh, yeah. Reality. As Cliff likes to say,

it's quenching with a purpose. Yeah. I don't know. It's camping with a purpose. I have been on expeditions and both private and public expeditions. As far as north, I mean, north, south, east, and west. I mean, I have been with, I've been on expeditions in northern New Mexico

with some of the most beautiful people ever to be known, the Hickorylid Apaches, who have adopted me into their family. I have been, I've eaten dinner and had a great time with the Cherokee folks. And I got Cherokee in me by blood. I have, I've been in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado and watch the stars that gather around and it being so quiet that I actually. woke me up in the middle of night. I've been on the Rocky Mountain. I've been in the smoky mountains of Tennessee on a mountain that was so high that, you know, a meter right shower took place and I thought one was going to land in my lap. I've watched the sunrise in the,

in the swamp area of, of the South Texas near the San Houston National Forest. They call the big thick. And I've watched the fog rise out of a swamp. I've watched sunrises over, over mountain. I've seen veins that just beautiful places, beautiful people and plus had experiences with

squatch and listened to the wisdom of others about this phenomena that we call Bigfoot. So the squad is almost like the bonus to everything. Watching is just a bonus. Yeah, for sure. No, I agree. Let's face it, you know, our house is what?

And I'm just throwing out a number. Our house is 2,500 square feet, right? Their house can be 2,500 square miles. Yeah. So it's their house and the house always wins. Yeah. Absolutely, man. And that's the thing.

It's so intriguing to think about Bigfoot. And I think that's what so many people still to this day, they want to believe. They talk about they want to believe in UFOs. They want to believe in Bigfoot. And I think to your argument is your kind of baseline is, hey, I think we do actually have physical evidence of Bigfoot. And, you know, we could get in all day to, you know, is the government hiding it? why would they be hiding the evidence of Bigfoot if we actually have DNA hair samples,

so on and so forth, you know, but nonetheless, it is something to behold. And I think, you know, it's interesting when I ask people, what are the questions you want to ask, Ron, or whatever? And they all go back to the spiritual dimensional side of Bigfoot. Because, yeah, I think in most people's minds, they believe that Bigfoot can't, not most people, sorry. Yeah, don't put me in most people because I'm not most people.

Not most people, but the people that listen to our podcast, a lot of those people believe that you can't have Bigfoot without the other spiritual slash interdimensional's section of that. I wish it could be like that, but I honestly, in my opinion, I don't think it's that. I think it's like Ron says,

it's a flesh and blood being. It's not an interdimensional thing. When you have, I mean, when I think about interdimensional, You're not going to see scat in the forest. You're not going to see footprints. You could.

You're not going to see hair and blood. To me, interdimensional is like it's in between our universe and, you know, whatever universe they came from. No, that's not necessarily true, though, because like with UFOs, for example, a lot of people are starting to get on the guideline on the basis of UFOs are a physical manifestation of an interdimensional craft in some cases. And that is a physical aspect. of an interdimensional being.

And so a Bigfoot physical feature could be the physical representation of an interdimensional being. It is actually a being on earth. Yeah, absolutely. No, it's not. It can manifest itself. No, it can. Absolutely.

But why would it? It can. Well, because it has to, if it manifests itself in a physical form, it could. So why did the big foot at shit in the woods? because they wanted to make sure that it smelled good when it went to the other dimension. Maybe.

Maybe so. Maybe they don't, maybe they're not a lot of shit in other dimension. We don't know. Maybe, maybe North America is there a big toilet. Yeah, it can be. It absolutely could be.

You never know. It really could be. And then they're going to dimensions. You never know. The possibilities are endless. Yeah, listen, we've talked about so many things on this. And we could get deep and deep and deep and deep on so many

topics, but we've got to just kind of touch the surface, like physical versus a little bit. You know, on my Alaskan cruise, I'm going to see the Hubble iceberg. Bubba, you ain't yet scratched the iceberg on Bigfoot. Yeah, for sure.

Well, Ron, listen, thank you so much for coming on. We've had, what is it, two hours and 17 minutes. That's a pretty long episode. And I want to bring you back on, I want to bring you back on to our expedition. When we look for That would be cool.

That would be cool. Yeah, that would be cool. I will tell you this. Right now is a lousy time to go squatching. It's, yeah. Well, number one is hot as shit. Because it's hot. It's hot.

It's muggy. There's a lot of foliage for vegetation for, for squatches to chow on. They're fat and happy, you know, plus running around the heat to exhaust a lot of energy. Now, come fall. when the vegetation becomes more scarce and they know that, you know, winter's coming along, that they need to build up their... I mean, they're already, you know, big,

but, you know, more fat protein in their system, you know, then they start foraging and hunting. Yeah, that makes sense. Well, it's kind of like squirrels, you know. Same thing. Don't give me, don't give me, don't give me start on school. I knew you're going to say that. We have talked about squirrels.

I don't like, no. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. They eat all my damn tomatoes. Tomatoes? Yes. My shit, squirrels are tomatoes. Well, they live in our house. Like any man or person from the South, if you're from the South,

you're supposed to grow your own damn tomatoes, right? Yeah. You can buy it. You can buy it. No, you're supposed to go, and I've yet to have one damn tomato this year because the squirrels keep on eating them. Don't get me started. Don't get me started. Well, yeah, we don't have tomatoes because Sherry bought this random-ass tomato plant from Home Depot, and that thing is a piece of shit.

Yeah, but I'd rather be like that than squirrels kill, like stil tomatoes. No, but listen, Ron. I live just within the city limits where I can't shoot them and my wife won't let me. So. Well, this. Oh, they're living the best of their. living the best life they can. Eating my tomatoes.

Yeah, our little videos to you here, we're upstairs, but if you go around the corner and go into our main, I guess, it used to be our audio studio, but now it's kind of a movie room. Every once a while, if you're sitting in that room and there's no sound, you can hear these little assholes

of an our addict. And you know what, that's not a good thing. If there are inside your attic, that means that they are sitting in your attic and that can create a a bacterial

So yeah I would talk about critter control on that issue Oh, Chad, you should stop feeding these squirrels. Not to mention they get up there and talking that from a cable guy, I know for a fact they will chew up everything. See, you can always You always can tell a regular driver and a guy that works for, whether it be telephone or cable or what have you, if a squirrel runs across the road, a regular driver will try to avoid it.

Cable guy's going to floor it. You know, I've been tipped to go off road after those little bastards. Here I am. I am. I am. And I'm guilty. I will, I accidentally she'll kill herself. And then I'll take the squirrel to the veterinarian.

Oh, my. Remember that old insurance commercial where the squirrel was eaten? And then you heard the car swerve and go off the road and then the schools going there and give them a little high five, you know. Yeah, that would not be the issue with me. Yeah. And thank God I'm not driving behind you because I'd be collecting all the squirrels going to the vet. No, so screwed up, dude.

Oh, last Labor Day. And this is on Scott's truth. And folks, I will not kill something for the sake of killing it. I've been tempted toaks with squirrels, but I won't. I was at Lake of the Ozarks, and we had a lakehouse, had to go to the grocery store, went and got the grocery store. Coming back, I was going south. This guy was going north. And I noticed that she was sold down.

Well, there's a lot of deer in that. that area. So I sort of came to a stop. I looked around and said, and there. So I just went on, right? Well, the same card that it was a white SUV, I pull in to where we were living in. And I, and I was getting the groceries out, and that white SUV comes up, comes behind me. And she goes, I can't believe you killed that animal. I said, what animal? You know what you did? No man, I don't. What animal? And she goes, never mind. And she drives and she turns around to go back up the hill coming into where the lakehouse and all that good was.

And she goes, and she goes, you just don't care, do you? I said, man, for the third time, what animal are you talking about? I was looking at a dog or something, right? And she goes, you ran over that squirrel. Now, if that woman knew what I did for her profession and how much I despise squirrels, we wouldn't have had that conversation. but she did it. And I said, ma'am, all that, and you followed me and started chewing me out

because of all over a squirrel, what life you must have. And she goes, she goes, well, don't worry about it. It may not even be dead. Don't worry, I'll take care of it because it was still twitch around. I'm sure it was.

Oh, God. And me being me from the Ozarks, and I said, well, hell, lady. Go get it and bring it back. I'll cook it up for you. Squirrel stew is actually pretty good. I've had it. Squirrel biscuits and gravy.

Yeah, absolutely. We did that. Like, I grew up in the mountains, bro. That's awful. Yeah. Like,

we had squirrel rabbit. We had all that shit. Squirrels to me are like little kitties and little dogs. Squirrels are rats with furry tails. I guess like that too. All right, Ron, last question before we let you go. What do you think is going to happen? Because I know we're getting way off topic with Bigfoot, but we haven't even talk about the Olympics.

We haven't talked about elections. We have not talked about anything. I'm just going to ask a very simple question. What do you think is going to happen the rest of this year with 2024 election year? Do you think America is in a good, you think, well, what do you think is going to happen in January of 2025? because that's when the inauguration will be. Well, it depends on who's going to be picked. No, it doesn't matter.

I'm just asking what his thoughts are. Have you thought about this? Like, have you thought about, like, your game plan for if really everything goes south? If it hits the fan. Yeah. Oh, if they get into a big brouhaha like last year. Yeah. But worse.

I think that whatever feds of the powers that be are going to be more prepared than they were last time. Yeah. Two, you know what, I think I'll get up and go to work. Yeah. Because that's the most American thing I can do. Yeah. That's a great answer. And you are a cable guy.

You got to make sure our cable is working during this. When they shut down the world, if it wasn't for our ability for entertainment and information on the internet and television, there would have been cities gone up in flames. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And also to the counter argument of that, you know, like Venezuela, which we're about to do a podcast, probably tomorrow on this. But Venezuela, the government there just is the most massive, still a stolen election in history. Well, what you expect? They've been still in elections for decades. Yeah. And so X, you know. It's a socialist country. Yeah. And the platform that we're streaming on right now with Elon Musk, you know, it was. it was allowed to be shown by and two millions of people of how they stole the election. We thought the other guy was going to win.

Yeah. And then all of a sudden, yeah, all the sudden it was turned over. It kind of reminded me of 2020. Well, it's going to remind me when they come to these socialists and even some communist countries like Cuba, how, you know, it's supposed to be the, how it's supposed to be the, the government of the people, right? The people's the people's government. And always it seems like, and from these governments, especially in Cuba, Venezuela, what have you, there always seems to be some kind of a tyrant dictator who is the leader year after decade after decade. If it is truly the

government, if it is truly the, the non-imperilist country that they are, then how come they're being ruled by one person, a monarchy, if you will. Yeah. Well, guys, you just better strap, you better strap yourself in for 2024. Ron, do you feel like you're ready for 2024 for the elections? I don't think anybody really is. But he said, yeah, you're going to work. I'm going to work.

I'm going to work. And that's the most American thing I can do. Yeah, there you go. I make sure that my family's taking care of. I make sure that the kids have a roof over the heads and food in their bellies. Do you have a bugout bag? No. Well, you...

I know if I know if shit was there at the fan, I know where I would go. Yeah. Yeah, you got to. You would live with the squash. The squash. It's the squash, dude. I'll put it to you this way. I know places where a lot of people wouldn't believe would be there.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, Ron, listen, we're not going to keep being longer. it's been two hours and 28 minutes guys thank you so much for and Ron Ron is really literally been with us for 10 hours yeah yeah we've had a couple episodes we recorded but this was been good I think I mean we have a lot of videos we could have got into but I just kind of wanted to get into some of the aspects of what some of the people ask and kind of what your thoughts are on is it physical is it interdimensional

I think I know your stance you believe 100% is physical I believe there's a... You are interdimensional. Yeah, I am. And I think just based on a lot of questions from our listeners, they're obviously on the other side as well. But that doesn't mean they're right. Doesn't mean I'm right.

I believe in inner dimensions. I just don't think Bigfoot is interdimensional. I get that. Yeah. I get that for sure. But Ron, thank you. Totally wrong. Who knows?

You could be. Yeah, you probably. And I could be too, but I don't... Oh, she jumped on me. I don't expect in me. I could be. Ron, don't worry. Oh, Lord.

Ron, thank you so much coming on. We'll definitely have you back on. We love you so much. See you, man. All right, guys, that was Ron Bowles. He is the BFRO researcher. Listen,

my whole thought process to kind of wrap this up is when I ask the question to our listeners, right? When I asked this question, I said, what is the questions do you want to ask Ron?

Right? most people went to the UFO interdimensional thing. They do because they don't understand this could be just a physical thing. Not everything is interdimensional because we get on these kicks where, oh, okay,

if we don't understand it, it's interdimensional. I'm saying this is a thing that is not interdimensional. This is a being with blood, with guts, with meat, with fur that exists on our planet. It just alludes us somehow. And then you guys got into the whole thing of like the drones and all that stuff,

like how we've not seen them and they're so elusive. Yeah. I mean, I don't think there is elusive as what we think. Because like Ron said, we, we have footprints. We have blood. We have fur. We have DNA.

We have all kinds of things to say that it exists. Yeah, I get that. Yeah, I just, you know, and I understand where people are coming from with interdimensional thing. It's like if Bigfoot exists and if you want me to believe Bigfoot exists, it has to be interdimensional in some way because otherwise, otherwise to be that way. But yeah, but based on like, I guess, mainstream narrative, it does for most people. Because unless mainstream comes out and says, hey, we have this thing, we have this evidence.

And here's the evidence of this Bigfoot creature. Then otherwise, people are just going to go the other way. It's like if Bigfoot exists and it's got to be interdimensional, it's got to be some type of spiritual in nature. And I think that's where people are, right? And I'm more so on that side as well. Well, and I just want you guys out there that think that Bigfoot is interdimensional. Maybe it exists, but it's interdimensional.

I want you to show me where you actually can smell these things, where it smells like what he, I don't know what he said, something vomit, verminated vomit. How do you smell? something that's interdimensional. I don't get that. And I, and I'm just. Sorry, what? Oh, because I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

Strip club. You might be able to smell something like that. Yeah, you will smell vomit and like alcohol. No. No, that's not even what I was talking about. But anyways, it's over my head. Chad, I am about to beat your ass after this video. I'm sorry. You could maybe do that, but whatever. you're going to it's like bend over babe let's do that what what the hell are you like all right we gotta get that lobby guys oh you're the one that brought out this strip club yeah what the hell are you talking about strip clubs bend over no what

who does that at his trip one oh my god if you do that as strip love you are you are a gross bro that's the that's the white men for Kamala that's the guy that bend over in metal strip gloves. All right, guys, we're done. We're leaving by. We love you. Peace out. Love you guys.

Peace out.