Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Bigfoot Body Found? DNA Claims, Cornell Questions and Eyewitness Stories With Ron Boles

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

A claim unlike anything the Bigfoot world has seen is making headlines across the country. A hunter known as "Snake" says he discovered what he believes is a Bigfoot body in New York's Adirondack Mountains and claims DNA testing revealed a genetic makeup that is 58.5% Neanderthal and 41.5% human. But are the claims legitimate, and why hasn't Cornell University publicly confirmed the reported testing? In this episode, veteran Bigfoot researcher Ron Boles joins us to separate fact from fiction.We discuss the alleged discovery, the DNA controversy, the questions surrounding the evidence, and what it would take for the scientific community to accept a discovery of this magnitude. We also dive into some fascinating eyewitness encounters and personal Bigfoot stories that will leave you wondering what may really be out there. Whether you're a skeptic, a believer, or somewhere in between, this is a conversation you won't want to miss.Our Merch StoreRon Boles Speaking Engagement Link - Southern Illinois Bigfoot Conference

Welcome to Investigator's podcast. I'm your host shout alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Tonight we're diving into one of the most talked about Bigfoot stories in years. A man known as Snake, the Bigfoot hunter, claims he discovered what he believes is an actual Bigfoot body in New York's Adirondack Mountains. He now says DNA Tesson showed the specimen is 58.5% Neanderthal and 41.5% human, a claim that is exploded across social media and sparked intense debate. However, those DNA claims. have not been independently verified or published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal,

and many researchers remain skeptical. Now, speaking to researchers, joining us tonight as veteran Bigfoot researcher, Ron Bowles, and our friend. We'll separate fact from speculation, discuss what is actually known about the alleged discovery, and get Ron's perspective on whether this could be the breakthrough that Bigfoot enthusiasts have been waiting for or just another controversial chapter in the long history of Sasquatch research. guys welcome to the show it is july the 12th the 14th i don't know what date it is 2026 the name of this song is tennessee on my mind by will harrison figured we'd have a little country sounding song because when you talk about

bigfoot you talk about the wood you talk about all this stuff it reminds you of this right but ron is not from tennessee he actually lives in missouri out near the ozarks which there's been a lot of talk about bigfoot in the ozarks in particular ron welcome back to the the show. Very nice to have you again. How you been? I have been fantastic. If I was any better, they have to pay me over time. Now, I don't know if we have said this on the last show, but we know Ron as Uncle M. F. And I'm F and Ron. Yes, Ron. Yeah. And I want Chad just to tell the quick story of what happened when we first met Ron when we were just starting out with podcasts, because it is really funny. The sad thing was we weren't really just starting out. I think it had been

two or three years. Yeah, two or three years. And we got Ron on because we had researched some of the kind of top names in the Bigfoot research kind of space online and found Ron. And during the podcast, we were actually talking about some of people he knew, some of his involvement, whatever, with his group as far as the animal planet show finding Bigfoot. And I had said something, what I believed was off of the microphone. I thought I muted my microphone.

I actually thought. Yeah, I actually thought I muted. I thought Ron couldn't hear me and I thought no one else could hear me. No one else could hear me, but Ron could still because the way we used to do it back the day. And I was like, this motherfucker is on. I said, this motherfucker is on the finding Bigfoot on the animal planet. He knows.

Yeah, you said, this MF knows, but knows everybody. Yeah. And of course you did. And I went, excuse me and you couldn't hear me. Yeah. Yeah. So after the show was ever done and I kept the performance. professional face on after the show.

I said, by the way, who do you think you're calling an MF? Oh, my God. Did you hear that? Yes. Yeah. It was so funny because Sherry was like, Ron just asked me if your husband called me a month. So every birthday, we're always back and forth. Happy birthday.

MF and Ron. Uncle Ron. Gosh, Madie. And by the way. And tell them why they call me your uncle. Yeah. Why don't even? why do we call him uncle?

Because I was adopted by a hickrilla Apache family. And they called me Daraon. That's right. It's Apache for Uncle. Okay. Yeah, I do remember that now. And so that's so interesting. And obviously, you have come on the show multiple times, I think probably three times, maybe four or don't exactly remember.

Anytime anything pops up in the Bigfoot space, we bring her on on. And so this is by far probably one of the most crazy claims in the Bigfoot space in the era of Bigfoot that we have heard in a while. Obviously, you have the Patterson Gamble film. You have all the things that we've talked about on the four episodes that you've been on. And in this particular case, we have a guy named Snake the Bigfoot hunter that claims that he discovered what he believes is an actual Bigfoot body in New York's Adirondack Mountains. And so he's now saying that DNA testing showed that the specimen, is 58% Neanderthal and 41% human. Now, before we get into the clip, actually,

and the reason why we have to play this clip is because with all the talk about UFOs and everything that is coming out in the media, everything that the U.S. government is now starting to reveal. They're releasing all these videos that are showing the things in the sky that are acting beyond belief is things that when you look at it, it's almost impossible that we would have technology like this. And even going back probably a couple of months ago when there were people within our government that were meeting with some of the biggest pastors in the United States of America. And they were basically telling the pastors, hey, when we release all this stuff and when we continue to release the evidence that we have of UFOs, your congregations are going to have a lot of questions.

And so that's why we're meeting with you guys. This is what we want you to know in specific, how. we're trying to prepare you for your congregation to ask these questions. And it's always interesting because with the Bigfoot topic in general, there's most people that believe Bigfoot is specifically a physical creature, right? A strictly physical ape slash, yeah, flesh and blood creature. You've obviously have the other side that believes that maybe he's some type of supernatural type creature, like a skin walker or something.

And then you also just have people that don't believe at all. Yeah, I think it's a folklore. Yeah, absolutely. Ron, briefly, you started your research, your fascination with Bigfoot, and we don't have to necessarily go through the entire story. There's been many episodes that you've talked about this on this show. But you believe that you were in the presence of a Bigfoot at one point in time. How old were you?

And when did that happen exactly? That happened here in the Ozards. That happened about 35 years ago. like the late 1980s, wasn't looking for it, wasn't expecting it. Me and bunch of my friends, we heard that there was going to be an outdoor cager in the middle of the woods near James River. We went out there, no one was there, headed our way back, right at dus, and one popped out behind a tree at us. I'm giving you the very condensed ribbon. And ever since then, I have been, it stuck to me like a tattoo, man.

got under my skin. Yeah. And then I started for years. I kind of did the internet search. I got involved with the BFRO. That is the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization. And I've been involved with them and associated with them for going on 20 years. And throughout that time, I have been pretty much in almost every state that in the North

America and I've been in the woods quite a bit of time. I've had many experiences from sightings to having rocks thrown at me through. I've had, I've experienced the vocalizations, a whole lot of a whole plethora of experiences with the Bigfoot. So you've had multiple other experiences other than that first experience that you had 30 plus years ago. That was my first, that was my first ride on the roller coaster we called Bigfoot. but yeah that's crazy where was the most prevalence of sightings or experiences you had was in the ozarks or was it in other places that you traveled to me and that i live in the ozarks then yeah i've had most experiences there i've had experiences that the smoky mountains of tennessee

or the turkey mountains yeah let's see i have in new mexico i have had experiences in Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma. I've been around. So you believe that there is potentially a larger population than most people would perceive because there's a lot of people don't even believe that Bigfoot exists. Yeah, I think it's 30%. Yeah, or 20 or 30%. Most people believe that Bigfoot is like Santa Claus. There's only one.

Oh, I thought he was in Oregon or Washington. There's more than one, people. You're talking to one, too. Yeah. There's a, in the United, in the North American continent, not just the United States, but the North American continent. And I'm speaking of very conservative, I would say that there would probably be roughly anywhere between three to, probably between 50,000 to 200,000 swatches across the North American continent. Wow. And people say, oh my gosh, that's a.

bunch. Yeah. Not really. You're talking about the entire North American continent. That's all of the northern United States, Alaska, and Canada. And to be spread out in that big area, that's really not that much. Do you think it's because they're nomads? It depends.

It depends on the area which whatever that group or pod lives. in. There's some that just, they find a nice section of the world and they pretty much hang out of it. Now, what we determine where we, as home, what's an average square foot of a house, say a three-bedroom? What, like 20 square feet? Yeah. I don't know. Something like that. Okay. Their home being 20,000 square miles. That's huge. What they, they're in their territory, they're very familiar with. And when the food, and whatever gets a little scarce, then they move on to the next section. I mean, during the wintertime, they know during the wintertime where they can get out of the

elements and keep warm. And the very interesting thing about the whole Bigfoot talk in particular is we've also done episodes on missing people in National Forest. And there has been a lot of missing people that have come up missing out of nowhere. They went on a hiking trip. They went on a camping trip and the Great Smoky Mountains or somewhere out west or the Pacific Northwest. And then they literally vanish. And there's a guy David Paul leads that has the missing 411 series talking about this specific issue to where this happens more often in places like the Great Smoky Mountains.

They have a long history of people going missing. Obviously, there's that whole theory and concept that there are still feral people also that live in some of these very remote. regions of the United States of America. So maybe it could be contributed to potentially those people. But also, you get to think about the Bigfoot aspect. We were actually just watching before we came on the show. Tonight, there was a body cam release. It happened on January 1st of this year in Colorado, where a lady was on this trail

and she was running on this trail in the middle of the woods. And she got attacked by a mountain line and died. And not only did she die, but as the police were trying to, to go and recover her body, this mountain line was stalking them. And it was, we did not want them near its prey. And that was good gosh. Yeah.

And one of the things I was thinking about too. And I've spent months, literally months in the woods camping without ever coming out in the past. The hiking and backpacking thing used to be a huge part of my life. And it's one of those realities that sometimes you get, especially when you encounter a bear or something huge like that. It's like the rules that you live by in. the modern world in society every day do not apply in the middle of the wilderness there are no

law enforcement officers there to make sure the bears or whoever don't kill and attack you that could easily happen and so if you put on top of that though it's obviously not common but just say you have a creature like bigfoot in the woods yeah obviously they got to eat and probably they would eat deer or whatever but there's also a likelihood that they could take you and you never be seen again. I've made them a cannibal. Anyway. There you go.

Going into a rabbit hole that we really don't want to go into. Anyway, far as the David Pilates thing, he will be the first one to tell you that he has never specifically said that some of these disappearances was contributed or named Bigfoot as the reason why they disappeared. Now, he may have inferred that they were, and that's how he's. make, and that's how he made his money, is he may have, and sold his books, he may inferred or insinuated that it may be Bigfoot related, but he's never flat out said it. My opinion is there is so much in the woods, such as mountain cats, bears and feral hogs,

you know what, I've been in the woods with mountain lions. I've been in the woods with bears. Ferrell hogs scare me. Yeah. Feral hogs will gank your, they will gank your ass, they will come up on you and take you out by the knees. And the next thing you know, there ain't nothing left of you but pig shit. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'm more scared of feral hogs than I am with a mountain lion or bear. Odds are they're going to find something of your remains with feral pigs. Unless you're ready to sit through pig crap and find my tooth, there ain't going to be nothing to me left. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that'll eat you straight up. Yeah, that's been the old, there's been murderers that feed their prey to pigs. And that's a legit thing. Pigs will eat the hell out of people.

Bones and all, right? I'm pretty sure. Oh, yeah. The whole by nuts. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty nuts. And that leads me to, and by the way, I wasn't necessarily, I wasn't saying Paul Eads said it was Bigfoot, but I'm just saying for the overall arching topic of people disappear in a national forest is

a very strange and peculiar thing. And I think one of the things that Paul leads... They're going on for thousands of them for hundreds of years, though. Yeah. And I think one of the things Paul leads points too often is the UFO phenomenon and potentially that being a part of some of these disappearances, which is why also some people connect Bigfoot to a supernatural realm. Who knows? But on Jesse Waters, which was on News Nation, which is a mainstream news organization. And I'm not saying mainstream news is the true tellers by any means. that's literally what we've made our podcast based on of how big of liars they are most of the time. But it is just very interesting that a mainstream news source would run with a story like this.

And not only run with a story, this was the main hit piece, a seven minute clip. And we probably won't play all of it. But I want to play what this actual clip was on News Nation. Jesse Weber Live. And Jesse Weber came from Law and Crime, which was a huge law and. in crime or I guess legal network and they cover trials and they do trial breakdowns and so they are connected very heavily with these DNA experts and detectives and lawyers and whoever and so it was interesting to me when I saw this clip and it was one of our listeners Ross that actually sent us

this clip and I was like we got to talk about this with Ron so I want to go ahead and play this real quick for you guys Ron we'll talk about it on the back end and everybody listen to this and then we will discuss it. Here you go. That has captivated people across the entire globe for centuries. Does Bigfoot really exist? Now there is a man called Snake the Bigfoot hunter who claims he has found actual Bigfoot remains. He has this eight foot 300 pound body in his possession. He's even nicknamed it Dack. Snake says he found the remains in the Adirondack Mountains in 2024, even put them on display at last year's great New York State Fair. But here's the wild part. Snake claims he sent the specimen for DNA testing that the results

showed the body has 58.5% Neanderthal DNA and 41.5% human DNA. Snake says that those tests from Cornell's veterinary DNA lab prove that this creature is a Neanderthal human hybrid. Now, the Adirondack Mountains have been known to be a hotspot for Bigfoot or Sasquatch sightings, but there are a lot of skeptics out there questioning snakes' discovery. So we decided, let's go to the sorts. Charles Stewart, better known as Snake the Bigfoot Hunter, joins me now. He's also the author of the Bigfoot Bible. Thank you so much for taking the time. First, how did you find these remains and what made you think initially this could be a bigfoot's remains? I found it west of Old Fort Central Adirondack Park. And the reason I found it was just being in the right area where I could

smell it because this body was decaying. And I just fall in my nose deeper and deeper until, bam, There's this eight-foot-long, 300-pound specimen in front of me, and this thing was sitting in a poison ivy patch, and this was absolutely disgusting. And based on what we figured out, this was dead probably about two days when I had found this specimen, okay? And what was interesting is next to this body were some larger footprints. And after speaking to a couple other experts, we determined that one of the causes of this specimen's death was probably from getting bludgeon to death. by a larger big foot. So two? Absolutely.

And this could have been over territory or mating. We believe it was probably due to mating because this is a male specimen we have. And this is around 18 to 20 year range. And we figured that out by the dental decay. That's what I was going to ask you. This DNA testing, what exactly was the testing and what was it done on? The hair, teeth, soft tissue. What exactly?

Yeah, we had blood hair and fecal matter. and we just submitted it all and got that done through a friend of mine who worked at that Cornell Veterinarian BioDNA Lab. And the results came back. As you mentioned, 58.5% Neanderthal slash Denisovin. And that I had to do a little bit of research myself to figure out exactly what was going out. The Denisovin is an Asian kind of Neanderthal. It's mixed with 41.5% human. And some of that's indigenous.

So at some point, they did cross over the layering land straight and have been in the Americas. What we have there is a very dangerous, aggressive. We know they attack each other and they could deathfully attack. And her few minutes. Do you know how long it's been dead for? I was dead about two days when I found it. Two days. So wait a second.

So you think it was attacked by another Bigfoot two days prior? In other words, there's another living Bigfoot in that area? Yeah, and these are, we call them Bigfoot. These are like Neanderthal human hybrid. And there's another one that attacked this one. And one of the interesting things we've found on our specimen, which we showed to 60,000 people, was this reproductive bone. And that's an anomaly that the Bigfoot has that is also in polar bears. And these are adaptations that allow it to procreate in an aggressive way.

And that leads us to think that they don't actually form family units. They're very nomadic. If they do engage, it's for that aggressive procreation, and then they go their separate waves. Did you send this to a forensic anthropologist or did a forensic anthropologist look at these remains? So right now we've had the DNA test done. I've been trying to get more people to actually be in person with the body. I did get a documentary team came in peer-reviewed the DNA, and this is a documentary team from Japan, and they filmed the whole little movie on this, and they have released it there.

I have snippets of it on our website, and then what was really great is at the showing of this, the first time there was the Six Nation Indian tribes of New York, the Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Cayuga, Tuscarora, and Seneca tribes. They came by and looked at the body, and they left and came back and gave me an award. They had came in immediately identified it as a Bigfoot, as a bark eater, which is another name for Adirondack up there. So it's been like multiple verifications across different paths. And we're trying to get as much people to see this thing as possible. Have you got any other mainstream verifications, any recognition for more of the major bodies or experts? We're looking to get some additional people involved with the body.

It's been an uphill battle. Why? They don't believe it? Bigfoot has been considered kind of taboo and stuff. The thing is, this is a global phenomenon. This is Bigfoot has been experienced or encountered. globally, okay? But it's still, as you know, what happened with UFOs, that was considered fringe until it's not. So you literally, we are literally punching our way through wall after wall, getting this information out there. And the main thing I'm trying to tell people is you got to be

careful when you're going out there into the wilderness. Or grab a camera because my gosh, look, it wouldn't be surprised me if there's now a Sasquatch committee on Congress. Look, UAPs, UFOs, extraterrestrials. Snake, you might be ahead of something here. I appreciate you coming on and sharing it with our audience. Can I just say that the people who do not believe in Bigfoot have something I call BDS, which is Bigfoot derangement syndrome. You better trademark that. You better trademark that right now, sir.

Thank you so much. All right. There you go. So Bigfoot derangement syndrome is what he is calling people that do not believe in Bigfoot. Now, Ron, I believe that you have a certain. thought or theory process on this. And what I do want to say before we even get into some of our thoughts, because I also want to get to a clip of one of the most world-renowned DNA experts that also went on Jesse Weber

live, which is his podcast, just I think it was a day after this report came out on News Nation, a day or two. A day before. A day before. Okay. And but what I do want to make clear is that number one, he said he sent it to Cornell University, sent it to a friend or someone that he knew at Cornell University. and Cornell veterinary medicine, which is one of the top veterinary medicine universities in the

country. They did this DNA test, which came back like 54% Neanderthal and whatever else percent human. And the interesting thing about this is that although they have not confirmed that they did this DNA test on this creature from Snake the Bigfoot hunter, they have not denied that they have done this test with the DNA. testing on this Bigfoot creature. And there has been multiple mainstream news outlets that have reached out to Cornell University. They refuse to answer whether or not they participated in this test or not.

So just as much as they are saying or they're not saying they did, I think it's as important that they are not saying that they didn't run this test at Cornell University. Ron, what do you think about this? You had sent me a video, by the way, which I would play the video, but it wouldn't make sense on audio because it's this creature at a state fair and they have it in this glass enclosure. What is your thoughts on this? By the way, have you ever heard of this guy, Snake the Bigfoot Hunter? I have not heard of them until this report came out.

And as we've stated before, I'm pretty, I'm pretty knowledgeable of quite a few people that's involved in this research. First of all, this is not the first time something white business has come up. I don't know if you recall, but Brett Dwyer years back with some other cohorts came up with their body of a, but they found a big foot. Turned out to be a confessed hoax by Dwyer. And it turned out to be a bigfoot costume with some cow intestines put in it to give a more gruesome, if you will. Yeah. Now, it's funny that he pulls out Cornell because Cornell is like the Harvard or a veterinarian school.

Yeah. Now, if you pay close attention to what he said, he had a friend of his to do this DNA thing. So this was not actually done by Cornell, per se. This was done by a friend of his. And that was his quote. I had a friend that happens to be studying at Cornell, not working, but studying at Cornell, that did the research. Okay.

So that's probably the reason why Cornell just doesn't want to probably have much to do with it. But that's speculation on my part. Yeah. But that was one thing from that news clip. One of those meticulous things that I've been known to do, I listen to what people say. and he said, I had a friend of mine that happened to be a student at Cornell due to the DNA test. So this was never done officially by Cornell by his own words. Yeah.

Okay. There are just so many things. And yes, a friend of mine, his name is Steve Coles. And he is a Bigfoot researcher from New York. And another researcher who's been around and is known. matter of fact, I get to meet and introduce him at a conference that's coming up. His name is Ken Gajard and him and Steve went to to a fair, a country fair. And there was Nate saying, come on, guys, come on in.

Take a look at my Bigfoot body. Yeah. It was in class. It was encased in Picks of Glass, if you will. and it was laying there and the video shows that it was just laying there kind of in the same way that the old Minnesota Iceman was found when iced

which turned out to be another hoax and and they're like how can you have a body in case in a pexiglass or glass coffin or enclosure and that was my thing and not be turning into soup. Yeah. And just the decomposition.

He said that he found a taxidermis that that was able to take the skin off and put it on a, on a whatever, a cast, if you will. And that's how he's showing it. Okay. So, DNA. Let's get back to blood, fine, hair, fine, fecal matter. from a dead bigfoot. He got bigfoot poop from a dead big foot.

Okay. All right. We'll go with that. I'm sorry. I'm just envisioning how he got the poop. I don't want to. I hope he had gloves. Let's put it back way.

But the vein is, if he had the body, why didn't he lop off a good chunk? Why didn't he give him at least a, a bone with morrow in it, a tooth, something that is hair, blood, that's all good, but everybody knows that the

morrow of a bone and teeth is the I'm watching those forensic files. That's where your real DNA comes from. He could have lopped off, he could have lopped off a good chunk of meat with a bone in it and got all the DNA that he could have without any question.

And why wouldn't he take it to a scientific university and have them preserve the body so they could further study it. Man, I would have put that in the back of my pickup truck and found them there is the university of any type that does DNA and stuff. There's just so many avenues that could have been taken rather than saying, I told a friend of mine in Cornell and asked him to do the DNA. and like my friend, and my friend Steve Coles, he went there. I really need to see this video. This guy was, I mean, in the video of the body that he had encased in his thing. Yeah.

And by the way, the only thing I would have definitely not done is take it like I. It's a state fair. No. But listen, here's the thing, though. I wouldn't also necessarily just take the whole. body and take it to a university or somewhere because then you're never going to see it again. And if it was a real big foot, yeah, if it was a real big, I would have chopped off his leg, taking some teeth, taking some bones, whatever hair, made sure I had all the evidence.

At least document it. Document. Yeah. And then taking it somewhere and said, hey, do something. What is this? And in reality, is the government, if all the UFO stuff is true that is coming out over the past two years, three years, and especially over the past year. And if we are not alone, one thing we absolutely.

knows the government hides things that are fringe or whatever. They've always called people that believed in UFOs crazy. And it seems, at the very least, that it's starting to be less crazy to talk about UFOs or to believe in UFOs. And so we know the government hides stuff from us. And I would assume that if bigfoots are real, then the government has been hiding those also. There's no way in human possibility that the government doesn't know whether big foots exist or

don't exist. With all the satellites and every single thing that the U.S. government has to surveil every inch of this planet at all times, there's no way that they don't know whether Bigfoot exist or don't exist. That's my name. I would agree 100% with you on that. I do believe the government knows these things do exist. And people ask me, how come they haven't gone public with it? Because the same old thing I say to a lot of things, why the government doesn't come out, follow the money. You think about it. A spotted owl crippled the lumber industry in Northwest America just because of a little

spotted aisle being endangered. Do you recall that, the spotted aisle bit? Yeah. Can you imagine what that would do to the industry and to so many government, and to so many government entities that just, okay, for example, here in Missouri, for years, people were saying that Mount Lions were in Missouri, okay? The Missouri Conservation Department, which is the animal control, whatever, for years denied it.

And then pictures started showing up. They may be somebody's pet. and then some were killed either in protection of livestock or just hit on the side of the road. Yeah. People are saying these animals may have been traveling through Missouri, but they're not indinges. Okay. Then they finally had to admit that, yes, there is a population of mountain lions in Missouri. Okay.

why did it take them over 30 years to recognize this? Real simple. Each government entity, whether it be Missouri, each government entity in your state, is given X amount of money out of the state budget. And so the Conservation Department or your Department of Wildlife, they have X amount of money on what they can spend on that. If they had to start spinning on the research and maintenance and conservation of a different breed of animal that for years they was not on their radar, that takes away money from other parts of that department. Yeah. So where are they going to come up with that money?

We can't because X money went to this department, the hunting department. X amount of money went to the fishing department. X amount went to this and this. Oh, wait. Now we got a mountain. Okay. That means we have to take money from all these other parts. Yeah.

So, yes. And that's the same way with Bigfoot. If we take, if they introduce a new primate, a North American primate to do the mix, that means that there's going to have to, there's going to have to be a lot of rules and regulations on how to not interfere in their habitations and stuff like that. That will affect a lot of industry. And plus, it will take extra amount of money to take it away from the research and conservation. They used to say the same thing in North Carolina because I grew up in the mountains of North Carolina.

And where the house was that I was living at in high school, because I'd grown up in a different house in a kind of more suburby type area. and then in high school I grew up on my great-grandmother's property. When she died, we inherited that land. My mom did. And there was hundreds, if not thousands of acres around that property. And they always said that there was no such thing as mountain lines in West North Carolina. The last mountain line was in the 40s or 30s. And there's no mountain lines that exist in West North Carolina.

Keep in mind, the property is kind of borders Pizzigan National Forest, which also borders the Great Smoky Mountains. And I'll never forget. We used to hear the cougars in the mountains at night. And there's a non-mistaken scream. It sounds like a woman dying is what they will do. Oh, there's a rabbit hole I can go with on that. Yeah. Yeah.

And did you actually hear a mountain lion? We've seen. We saw a mountain line before. But yeah, we used to hear screams in the forest. And what I eventually saw that one day we did eventually see, we had our dog outside. and he was, he was, his leash would, or not leash, but his chain that when we let him out, it brought on a hundred foot chain. And he would always walk towards where the woodline was, but he was still probably 75 yards

away from the wood line, which goes up the mountain and all that stuff. And one evening, we heard him barking. And this dog never barked. But he was barking. We went out and looked directly towards where he was looking right towards the woods. And damn if there wasn't a mountain line. sitting there at the edge of the woods and it was big it was bigger in my dog my dog was a german shepherd mix and this thing was way bigger and he was just staring at our dog he wanted our dog

and i and this dog never yeah this dog never barked and that was the weird thing is we have a beagle that beagle barks at everything but this dog didn't bark if amazon came or whoever never barked and it was like this dog knew that whatever the hell this thing was it was looking at him was a threat. And so that was the one experience that I've ever seen, actually, a mountain line was there on my mom's property. And they swore up and down that there was no such thing as mountain lines here. But yeah, we used to hear at night in particular, like this scream.

And right behind my mom's house, like I said, it's about probably two football fields until you start actually the incline going up the mountain. And I used to travel those woods very heavily. And there are caves and certain things back through there. But man, we used to hear at night just screams. And my aunt used to live once my great grandmother died, she kind of gave my family some land around my mom's property below the mountain. And so she used to call me sometimes.

She's, are you listening to this outside up on the mountain? And I would go outside and you would hear this just. It literally sounds like a woman being murdered, like up on the mountain. And we would hear this every so often. Now, why were you saying that, Ron, about the rabbit hole? Yeah, the rabbit hole. About what I was saying about that. There has never been a video of a mountain lion making that sound.

I find it interesting that a feline can make a primate sound. Now, why don't you say primate sound? Because I believe squatches are primates. No, but are you saying that primates make a woman murder sound? I have heard. Now, I can tell when a feline makes a certain sound, and that includes bobcats and cougars. But the bone-chilling woman screaming bloody murder vein, I believe has come from a primate in the woods. That's interesting.

Yeah, that is pretty interesting. So you may have heard, so you may have heard a cougar. and you may have heard a big foot. Do we have primates around this area, like in North America, like anywhere? That's what a big foot is, dear. You're a primate. Yeah. Monkeys.

I know there are. Well, South Carolina, but. I know. Yeah, in South Carolina on the monkey island, but because they were put there. But are there any out in the wild? And I'm talking about mainly North America, not South America, because I know that exists there. I think there are some monkeys in Florida aren't there. potentially somewhere

I don't know I thought there was maybe some monkeys Indigious Indic monkeys Or primates Such as apes, gorillas, chimpanzees Or even the spider monkeys

And all the good stuff In North America, no Okay So Has there been some that's been released Or escape from a zoo Or blah blah blah blah Yes

But But as far as indigenous no And you're You got to remember, Bigfoot is not a new thing to, because North American natives have been, Bigfoot or Sasquatch has been entwined in North American folklore for a thousand years. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's also where some of the belief about Bigfoot has come to the fringe of being supernatural. Because as much as, which I know that you have a lot of experience with.

with Indians or at least interviewing and talking with Indians about the Bigfoot topic. And has any Indians that you've ever talked to or conferences or any of that stuff, is there a certain percentage of those that believe potentially Bigfoot is supernatural, like part, part, part, real, part supernatural because, and the reason I'm saying this is because if you start listening to what

the government is probably about to say about UFOs, whereas I think the government from every, even the even all the pastors that met with the government two months ago and these are mega pastors i'm i believe franklin graham also met with them as well but what it sounds like the government's going to say is that these aliens or whatever is controlling these craft are not necessarily just physical beings but they're also interdimensional from uh kind of a cross realm and that sounds like this woohoo stuff and it is but have you ever heard of any like especially Indians and the reason I say Indians is because Indians are very spiritual. They believe heavily

in the supernatural, the other realm, I think in a different way in some ways than say a Christian would or the typical Bible believer. But have you ever heard of any of them that believe that Bigfoot is potentially supernatural? Or real? Real, yes. And you hit it right there on the head of the nail there when you said they are very spiritual. You got to remember Native Americans, of course, in very very, from tribe to tribe. Native Americans believe there's a spiritual connection to all things in the woods. You have your buffalo spirit. You have your eagle spirit. You have your wolf spirit. You know what I'm saying? So everything's spiritual. The Navajo believe that these things are of the spirit world.

But others believe it's just like the, the Raphael. They're the big brothers of the woods. But there's, and it varies from tribe to tribe. Some believe it's a good omen. Some believe it's a bad omen. One of those, I talked to a Native American in Massachusetts one time, and we sat down discussing, and he goes, and I discussed the bad omen and good omen and what is how his tribe sees it. And he had a stick in his hand, and he drew a line in the ground,

and he goes, and he looked at him, and he goes, change. Anytime there's been a Bigfoot witnessed or experience, it usually was an omen of change. That's interesting. It's like a Skinwalker. A Skinwalker is usually Navajo and Skinwalkers are considered witches. Yeah. So not good. But were you saying a lot of Native Americans do believe in the physical form of Squatch or Big.

just as much as they believe in the physical form of buffalo, wolves, eagles, or whatever. But they also believe that there's a spiritual side to them as well. Yeah. No, that makes sense. And listen, we've talked a lot about some of the experiences and beliefs on this. I do want to bring in Jesse Weber's podcast where he talks with a world renowned. I guess some people would say DNA expert about the snake Bigfoot hunter and his finding. and I want to play briefly what he says about this,

and we'll talk about this. Listen. Monster, I can see that. But I will tell you, Bigfoot believers, they trail behind those who believe in what I talked about before, aliens, UIPs, UFOs, which is reportedly 56%.

So I want to track the evidence. I want to talk about it. We bring in Joseph Scott Morgan. Joseph, good to see you. Look, you created a specialization about analyzing evidence for human bodies. If you're going to look at this seems a little different, isn't it? Yeah, I'd have to say that it is because what you're talking about,

I think at the baseline what we have to think about here. He's saying that this gentleman has confirmation from a school of veterinarian medicine that you have a combination that lists toward Neanderthal. Some people refer to it as Neanderthal. I was going to do that and then I just, I think I messed it up. That's okay. And humanoid or homo sapient. And we do, in our lineage, going back thousands and thousands of years, there was crossbreeding between the two species.

Okay. And that's confirmatory, all right. That really lists, though, toward this idea of this Neanderthal sampling, there's more significant there than there is human. So that leads me to believe, following the science, you begin to think there has to be a very large population in order to facilitate that, I would think. that would have significant pre-human DNA that's out there that is continuing to breed, all right? That's just my initial hot take on it. So just to be clear, let's say this is real. Is there one or there's multiple?

One that's been around for a cent or there would have to be multiple. You'd have to have a clutch of them that are continuing to breed. Okay. I don't think that there are any humans out there breeding with these. We may have heard about that. And let me throw in one more little bit. trivia here. Would you remember?

Yeah, I don't want to hear about it. I had the time at the bar. I know. Regretting what happened. Those lights really dimmed down at closing. This is what, this is interesting because you were talking about kind of these legends that are everywhere. I'm from Louisiana originally.

Yeah. And so there is a longstanding history of a creature that's referred to as the Rougaroo. The what? The Rougaroo. What's that? It comes from Cajun French. I don't know how it translates, but it's been around. and there are stories that are told about this.

And this creature lives in the swamps and is very similar to the Yeti, to Bigfoot, to Sasquatch, all of these presentations. I don't know the historiotics behind the Ruburu relative to, did this descend down from Native American lore or not. My big question, though, scientifically, though, is I would want to take a look, first off, at the hair to try to understand the competence. of the hair, the morphology of the hair of this creature. I've seen one image that has been floating about that was displayed. There is a significant amount of hair there that was tested. If this school did in fact test it, I wonder if they did this relative to taking the hair shaft. We talk about this in crime, don't we, Jesse?

Talking about DNA and how we're going to test if it's degraded. Did they get a tooth? Is there a tooth that was left behind in a skull? they go into a long bone or was there any soft tissue left? I'm fascinated by that. I want to know the sourcing of this testing. And this goes back to taking a look at this or an investigative lens. You have to work this as if this is a death, just like we would work it at a medical exam or a corner's office and take all of the sample that you can and run it through the system and see what happens.

It does become a question what would be left behind and what has not been left behind in the past. I do wonder, we talk about this too. If you take all this is true, the environments in which alleged Bigfoot or Satswatch is inhabiting, those are complicated environments where you leave behind evidence. It might not be easily collectible, right? If it's not like a bigfoot's in a metropolitan city. It's these kind of these wooded areas, these foresty areas, would you even find any of this evidence? If anybody out there was a legitimate Bigfoot hunter and trying to find it,

trying to find biological material. Imagine it would be difficult. Yeah, I think that it would be because you're going to come across all manner of things out there. First off, you would find tufts of hair deposited because these beasts are supposed to be covered in hair.

You find hair sample that would just be laying around and forgive me, I'm going to be a little graphic here. You would find SCAT, which is waste product that would be about this area. And then you would have, of course,

they're going to have some kind of societal connection between themselves. So you begin to think about environments, right? Do they have a need for fire? Do they have need for shelter? You think about Maslow's hierarchy. We look at it from a human standpoint, those basic needs that we have. Do these creatures actually have needs like that?

Do they mate for life? Do they have offspring? These sorts of things. So if you're looking at this from a forensic standpoint or from an anthropological standpoint, there would have to be a bounty of evidence that these people are entities and not entities, but creatures are clutching together like this. How do they know? whatever they tested and how they tested it,

if something is 58.5% Neanderthal DNA, how do you, what is that? Like, how do you know that? Because it's been identified. The Neanderthal DNA has been known for years and years. And we actually, within our components, all right, we have a bit of Neanderthal that still exist in our bodies. Do you know like what percentage or how?

It's tiny. It's a tiny amount, but it exists therein. I'm really fascinated by this percentage that they're coming up with, as I mentioned just a moment ago, because that's a significant percentage. And I'd like to know the origins of that and how they arrived at those numbers. 300 pound. Yeah, 300 pounds. That's a massive creature. 8 foot 300 pound.

Yeah, 8 foot 300 pound. And by the way, Ron, I did want to clarify something. So I got the transcript of what Snake the Bigfoot hunter exactly said. And I think this is important because the reason it's saying. important is that for at least credibility purposes, if it ever comes down to the fact that we can either get someone from Cornell University to actually respond to a request, he did say, yeah, we have blood, hair, and fecal matter, and we just submitted it all and got that done through a friend of mine who worked at Cornell University, veterinary, and bio DNA lab.

And the results came back, as you mentioned, 58.5%. But what I will say about that is it says worked at Cornell University. I'll say works. It says worked. So I will clarify that. But at the very least. Not studied though, but worked. Yeah.

So but here's the thing, though. Think about this. If we all go out and we find a Bigfoot and we collected this matter and we send it in somehow to just say some random DNA testing company, 23 in Bigfoot or whatever, 23 in me or ancestry Bigfoot. But say you send this off and then they send it back to you and it comes back that it's 57% Neanderthal. You can actually have these tests done with your animals. And you can even get your animals cloned now. I think it's 60 grand, but you can literally send off DNA samples of your animal that you love so much. Your beloved animal, you never want to ever see die and you've got to put it down.

And you can send this DNA evidence off to companies that you pay 60 or $100,000 for and they will clone your animal. Yeah, I've seen people do that on the YouTube. But there's also some pet cemetery shit there, right? Yeah. But they also have services though to where you can send your DNA of your dog to a place and it'll tell you exactly what kind of

dog it is. Yeah, like what mixes it has in it. Yeah, what its lineage, what its ancestry was, all of that stuff. Include all the way back to the wolf. So what I'm, I guess what I'm getting at here is that it sounds like this snake guy is you know. A snake?

Yeah. Maybe. Maybe he is. But Ron, what if he comes up and what if he just tells us, hey, here's the evidence, guys. Why don't you send it or get it to somebody that can actually do DNA evidence? And what if it did come back, 57% Neanderthal? Then what is your thought process therein? Like I brought up before, finding this corpse. First of all, I would have to have a detail process of how he found the corpse.

and two, how he removed the corpse from the middle of the woods. This ain't exactly something that you can just throw your shoulder and head back over to the pickup truck, right? Yeah. Well, he did say he sniffed it out, and you told us they smell like crap, even when they're alive. Yeah, but maybe you had a hound dog. I don't know. Maybe he's got a percentage of hound dog DNA in him. but the DNA guy was right.

This should have been handled as a crime scene. Yes, I agree. This should have been, there are so many people of reputable origins that he could have contacted and they would have came around. I love hearing this guy talk, by the way, the DNA guy,

because he reminds me so much of the late, great Dr. Jeff Meldram, who we recently lost. And because Dr. Melram used to talk the same way. He never flat out said, you know. This is BS. Yeah, this is BS. He would just say something along. I find this interesting that they came to this conclusion, but I question on what, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And that's exactly how Dr. Jeff used to say it too. That's awesome. So he was being very, I believe he was being very professionally polite on this issue. I can tell that the gentleman has, that gentleman has no background of any research of any kind about Bigfoot. He is right. There is a Louisiana creature of lore called the, and it is, and it has been linked to Bigfoot. It's actually a Cajun almost from a French word. and it's also something that the French from France in their wilderness times,

it used to refer to as werewolves. Yeah. I want to ask you guys a quick question, and this is going to probably tell you that I did not spend a lot of time in science class. But when they're talking about the Neanderfalls, and he said it was 58.5% of that, and we have that in our DNA. It's a very little bit, and it's pre-human DNA.

Is that kind of like a caveman? See, and that's another problem I have about him saying that it's 54% Neanderthal. Yes, the skeletal, the supposed skeletal remains of the Neanderthal and all that good stuff, these were not very big men. They were bigger and muscular than the regular Homo sapien, but they were no 8-foot-5 hairy. Okay. remember that insurance company so easy that a bit that a caveman can do it that was a that that that's a that that's a that's a that's a nanderthal yeah it's like a caveman it's essentially

what a nanderthal is they were very short like ron was saying they're like four foot like eight inches at the tallest i think well i think they were bigger than that yeah but here's the interesting thing too by whatever yeah and here's the interesting thing is if you look at our lineage as human beings just based on what we understand of kind of our evolution throughout human history, we have typically gotten taller, not yet, not shorter. And if you look back, even if you go back to 1920s. Yeah, people were shorter. They were shorter.

But there has been many evidentiary findings of giants and creatures in various places around the world. and even back in Aztec days, Indian days, the Smithsonian Institute of Science actually has some of these findings. And they have hit a lot of these, by the way. And there are certain places that are closed off throughout national parks because potentially this is where some of the findings have been found. And these are not conspiracy theories.

The Smithsonian has actually admitted to some of this stuff. Right. So we know about giants that exist. Even in biblical days, obviously, there were giants. in biblical days. So just because our lineage has always been a certain, we were shorter back then and we've gotten taller throughout human history, that doesn't mean that there is, there has not been offshoots of larger creatures in particular, like for example, the Nephlam in the book of Enoch and also in the Old Testament of the Bible. And these things were giants, but they were also

part supernatural, part human, according to the Bible. So it's interesting to me, but I also don't think that Bigfoot can't exist. I guess the biggest question is to me now, it's not that like, why do we not know about them? Why is the government and media not tell us about them? I think the bigger questions is that if there are, say, 100,000 of them, there has to be a certain amount of them that breed. And the amount of people that travel throughout the vast distances of our national parks and uninhabited land, you would think there would be more encounters, even though a lot of people do actually say they encounter things that they think is Bigfoot. So you can't discise you. count though but but also too there is a ton of land especially in places like canada and

alaska and whatever that no one ever travels it's just they're not national parks they're not anything they're just not wide open land wilderness like the most wilderness you're ever going to possibly get in but even when i was hiking in the great smoky mountains and pizca national forest especially pizcan national forest that's not even the great smoky mountains that's before you get to the great smokies and there is large swaths of land in the pizca national forest Forest that are probably have never been seen by anyone and because most people stick to the trails that's the one thing they always tell you when you're hiking and backpack and try to stick to the trails because you don't want to get lost and there we there was definitely times we went off

trail but we didn't go off trail so much to to be like eight miles off trail and that's very possible in the Pisgah National Forest you could literally get off trail and go 8 10 12 15 20 miles off trail and never see another trail and be in places that... Never be seen again, too. Yeah, exactly, because it's easy to get lost. There's a lot of things that happen. Nowadays, it's not as easy because you have all these satellite technology with maps and all

the stuff so you can always find your way back. But my only point I'm trying to make is that even in places like in West North Carolina where you have all of this civilization that is just on the outskirts of all this national forest, there are still places even there that have probably never been seen by humans. And so just imagine places like Canada and Alaska and think about the people that live on the island that are like native to their island and they never even had any kind of interaction with people like us.

They don't know what phones are. They're just they live with the earth basically. Yeah, for sure. Okay. Let's circle back all the way back to the about having the museum of the giant. Okay. First of all, are you aware of the? the Osage, the Native American tribe of Old Sage?

I've heard of them. I'm not familiar. A lot of people heard of them because at one time they were the biggest Native American tribe in the North and in the Midwest and North America as far as that goes. So, the nation of Osage was bigger than any tribe out there, whether it be Apache, Cabanche, Sue, whatever. There was a lot of Old Sage and they covered a lot of territory. And here's the vein. They were also reported to be, and this is back when missionaries used to reach out to them and trappers, the average size of a Native American of Osage descent was anywhere between six foot five to seven foot.

Yeah. Look it up. And but yeah, there are people that are taller. I'm six foot three. But the vein is a lot of that. that has to do with the, with the dietary, with the diet of today's people. There's a lot more things with calcium, more milk, more cheese, more, more carbs. Yeah.

More carbs in our dietary DNA now than there was, say, I want to say 50 years ago, but they really ain't that far back. But during the turn of the 1900s, there really wasn't that much. and people consume a whole lot more meat than they did then, too. Yeah. And you think that we were hunters and gatherers, and we hunted what we could hunt, and we gathered what we could gather. And we ate when we could eat.

Yeah, and we ate when we could eat. In China, anybody that was above six foot was considered a Goliath. Yeah. Now you got, now, due to different dietary needs and stuff, you got professional basketball players from China. So it's a lot to do with the dietary. I mean, there's some African. tribes that before all

the famine and war, their warriors were depicted as giants. Now, because of the war and famine that has ensued over there in so many years, you're lucky to find one that's over six foot tall. Hey, Ron, I wanted to ask you, during

these interviews that Jesse Webb had with this guy, and he said it was 58.5% Neanderthal. Neanderthal. And then something humanoid. I thought right away you would say me, because you feel like Bigfoot is primate. Can you explain why you think Bigfoot is a primate and not Neanderthal?

Hold on, but hold on before he answers that, you have to understand, supposedly, according to science, even though I don't believe this, FYI, I don't believe we came from apes. That's just me. No, but we are of a primate class. Yeah, well, yeah, they're similar. But I don't think personally, I don't think evolution, we evolved. monkeys eventually evolved into people. Yes.

I want to ask Ron. Neither do I. Why do you think they said Neanderthal and not primate? Because that's always, that's ever since the big, ever since white man got involved in Bigfoot, it's always been the wild man of the woods. Let me ask you a serious one. It's always been, it's always been some kind of caveman. There is a matter of fact, there's a local legend.

And this has been in, called the blue man of the Ozark. where they were, of course, I believe it's a big foot that was in the area. And to clean it up in a way, they said that it was wearing a loin cloth. What would wear a loincloth? A big foot or a caveman? Yeah, I think I've finally cracked the code of what a big foot is. I think some point in time that a very tall NBA player had sex with a female Bigfoot. And I think that's where we're getting the Neanderthal.

the end I would concur I would say that it has something to do with the evolutionary turn of during the during the now he did mention about the

ice bridge from Asia to America's and I believe that during that time there was a migration of a giant aid called a gigantic antipithecus that made that made that that journey

across and same time as the saber-toothed tiger, same time as the mammoth, the woolly mammoth, and also the same time as a lot of the Native American tribes. They're saying too, and this is right up your alley, that I didn't know this until we started researching again just recently. I'm going to say the word wrong, abominable snowman. That's right. It is a big foot. Say yet.

That'll be easier for you, dear. Say yety. Yeah, yety. But you said it actually. Good job. Is that grew, Ron? Is that guy a bigfoot? Okay.

Once again, we're not talking about Santa Claus, dear. There's more than one yety. Yes. A jetty. There are, okay, there are reports of a bigfoot-like creature in almost every continent in the world. New Zealand has their type of their big foot, the Yeti and the, the in in in Nepal let's see China the yemi and I'm sure I'm mispronouncing even in Russia

the black forest of Russia there's been reports of it one of the most interesting reports that I've ever had on a bigfoot like creature was from a veteran from afghanistan who while you know during the war and when we were in conflict with him he he was a sniper with a night scope. And his job was is to scan the mountain area and if they see something that what that didn't have four

walking on four legs and hooves that go crawling around in those mountains that it was that it was probably a terrorist and they were to be shot immediately. Right? He saw this what looked like a person but not a person

that was using his hands to crawl up the side of this cliff and he said, I thought it was a human, but there's no way it was human. And that was in Afghanistan. So, yeah. So yeah, that was, I think that was Osama bin Bigfoot. Yeah. So seriously, does North America have the monopoly on squashes?

No. That is pretty good. Osama bin Bigfoot. That is pretty funny. I'm going to say. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm trying to maintain, I'm trying to keep my fat process if you can. That is very.

And far as these, where they're finding these huge skeletons and stuff, you remember Andre the Giant, right? Yes. Yeah, he was a family friend of my family. As a matter of fact. Well, actually, gigantic, whatever that word is that causes people to grow extremely large. Gigantapithecus, gigantic or something like that. Yeah, that was real. and in his family DNA.

When he came and visited with his father before his father died, he said, I'm standing before my grandfather again. So Andre's great grandfather was a giant just like Andre was. So it makes sense that there's some family plots out there that probably had some big people in it. Yeah. And Ron, I do want to say, so we, so there's this area up in Western North Carolina that I've wanted to investigate for a while. It's right near the Smoky Mountains, but growing up in the mountains and seeing the local news, I'm sure you guys have obviously local news that are, but in Western North Carolina, you have a very local news. Like here in the upstate, it's a very big area of land. Vast. And so you do have local news, but it's just so many places. They could be talking about somewhere this almost 100 miles from us in some of our news here. In West North Carolina, in West North Carolina, you have one. It's literally just for the mountains of North Carolina. And,

I remember so many stories coming out of, it was WLS and Asheville, North Carolina, then clear broadcasting group. Growing up, I heard so many Bigfoot sightings and so many Bigfoot stories. And there was usually always these stories coming from this one specific area, which is a mountain town that is butts up right up against the Pisga National Forest. And this is the section where Pisga is, you have this town. have Pisga, you have a large swath of Pisgna National Forest, then you have a very small town, and then you have the Great Smoky Mountains. And so there's just massive swaths of land.

And Sherry and I really want to get up there and do some investigating. We want to go to this town. We want to take our cameras, which we got really awesome cameras, want to take our cameras, talk to people, talk to their residents, go in the woods, do these things and see what we find. And if you ever are willing to come out this way. Tennessee. Yeah, I want to go to this town, though, because this particular town, I can't exactly remember the freaking, I want to say a town, but I'm not going to say it because I'm not positive. That's what it is. But I want to go there. And I want to spend a weekend when it's not 150 degrees. I have to call snake and see if I can get a specimen first and put it out.

Yeah. As a bait. Sure, you can get the fecal matter. We'll go with the, with the head and the blood. Okay. Yeah. If we do find a big foot, Cherry is the one that's getting the fecal matter. But and hopefully as prior to the Bigfoot being dead. And let's not forget about the, let's not forget about the Bigfoot boner. He said that it is the thing. The Bigfoot boner?

Yeah. What was he talking about? He said it was similar to a polar bear or something. Wait, wait. Did Ron just say boner? Yes. That's what he said on there. You missed it.

Yeah, I did. I definitely missed it. Yeah. What was he talking about, Ron? He's talking about there are certain animals that has a reproductive bone in order for them to repruit, to create, create, progressively, he said.

And that has never been seen in any primate of any sort. Those lucky bastards. And quite frankly, that also goes against every sighting because, yes, there has been quite a few sightings where it was, could you tell if it was a male or female? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We, and we've seen the female, too. Yeah.

Yeah. and not once as it ever said, but he was walking around with a boner. Yeah, or anything hanging down there. I mean, yeah. But here's the thing, too, is it's like I said, I don't think, I want to investigate. I want to be the one that goes to look. And the reality is we're not going to pull some tricks or do some of the things that some people do. Oh, I might.

No, we can't do that because I want to actually investigate because it's what I've said. There's been people that said, hey, why don't you go investigate this? When are you going to investigate it? I would love to do it. And I think just the investigation part is the cool part, right? We might not see anything. But we might hear some sounds that Ron is heard and he recorded. I'm telling you, I.

Just like Ron said, that mountain lion that you heard might have been a sauce squash. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah, squatch. But I do remember all the time in the woods, there were so many occurrences of sounds that I would hear all the time. And this was before I even thought about Bigfoot and didn't even think about Bigfoot. Yeah, but there were thinking about it now, aren't you? Yeah, but there were sounds in the woods.

And to be honest with you, when I was back in the middle of the woods, what I was worried about or what I was concerned about is other people. Like the reality is I, we understand the danger of bears. I had many bear encounters. And one in particular, we've talked about on the podcast before to where they were literally in our camp across the freaking fire from us and they were huge. But, and yes, we were scared. we were also drunk, which is why we were giving them Snickers bars, which is literally the absolute worst thing to do.

No, but we were also scared. We're like, hey, if we offer him a... Maybe I'll go away. Yeah. But what I'm saying is like when you... But if you think about the reality of a Bigfoot being, there's a whole different scenario. And there has been so many things in the woods that we've heard over the course of years that I can't explain whatsoever. Just things that just don't make any sense.

And like I said, my brain always went to when I heard something in the woods, even if we were 10 miles back and you had not seen a person for two days. And then you would be one o'clock in the morning. You're laying in your tent and you get woken up by some crashing sound in the woods. And we're thinking there's probably a bear fighting something or doing something else. But there would be times we would hear literal, it sounded like freaking trees breaking or it sounds like a giant boulder rolling through the woods somewhere. Or did it sound like a baseball bat hit and wood? No, it sounded like you would hear, you would literally hear crack, like slapping of the branches. Right, right.

Cracking. And part of the problem is when you hear the echo, you don't know where it's coming from. I know. There were sometimes we knew where it's coming from. You would hear it on the ridge. You would hear it wherever. And so we would hear that stuff sometimes. And then you would hear, I don't know if anybody's ever heard raccoons in a fight.

Raccoons in a fight are is a crazy sound in the woods. Oh, have you ever heard of bard owls? when they're nesting? Probably, but I don't know. Bart out when one is on the nest and the other one is out looking for food and the one on the nest, since the other one is nearby, they will start making a monkey cackle sound. And it will literally sound like, like that sounds pretty good.

That sounds pretty good, Ron. And it puts people out. I just heard a chimpanzee in the woods. No, you heard a bard owl. Damn, that's crazy. But, oh, yeah, it's creepy as hell. But, but these are the things you've got to, you've got to familiarize yourself before you can go in the woods and look for a big foot. Not everything is a big foot.

Yeah, absolutely. And here's a thing. The one good thing I know, at least now is from all my time in the woods, which is tons of time in the woods. I know what most things sound like. Exactly. Yeah. If it's a wreck. Like I said, raccoon.

If anyone's ever heard a raccoon fighting in the woods, holy shit. And I don't know what they're fighting. But, and I would go back like the reason why and how I figured out what these things were, I would usually go off and like when I would eventually get out woods. Hey, I heard this sound that sounded like this and I would go on Google or whatever. And it would tell me that's probably a raccoon. And I would go to YouTube and I would listen to what a raccoon sounds like fighting. And I was like, yeah, that's exactly what it was.

I'd heard so many different animals fighting. And it just depends. Even freaking squirrels in the trees when they fight. You can hear that. Or foxes. Foxes. When they yelled in the woods, yeah, it's spooky as hell. And coyotes.

Other one. Coyotes is another one. They are scary. They surrounded us in a tent once. Yeah, they surround. And we had all of our dogs in the tent. It was scary as crap. So, yeah.

So we and Ron, we were camping behind where we live now. And so behind where we live now actually currently is an entire development. But before it was a development, it was an old tree farm that they had banned in 20 years ago. And it was the most beautiful forest because all the trees were in perfect lines. They were all gorgeous trees. Yeah, they were all gorgeous trees. And so we decided to go camp up there. And but this land leads to a river, which also leads to more land.

So the coyotes used to come up through that huge swath of land. And we went to camping up there one night and we had our dog with us. No, we had three dogs with us. Three dogs with us. Yeah. We had three dogs with us. It wasn't crazy far from our house. But we started hearing some like snorting sounding, which was weird at first.

What the hell is that sound? We could hear it around a tent. It was like 1 o'clock in the morning. And it was cold. It was very cold that night. And then we started hearing this yelping sound. It was like yepering. We knew it was coyotes.

Yeah, because you could hear them literally all around our tent. Surrounding us. So the dogs were in a tent? Yeah. The dogs were in a tent. And they were, I think, after the dogs. We had two chihuahuas that late, last. like weighed two pounds.

And you, and you know what Chad made us do? He's, we're leaving. He made us a run out of that tent and run home. No, because, number one, first of all,

it was. I was cold as shit the night anyway. We were not prepared at all. We just kind of went up there with some blanket, like a blanket or something. And so we took the chihuahuas and we had a. It was one other dog. can't remember. I think it was Marley, a lab.

Oh, yeah, he was a lab mix. And I took the, we had brought a 24 pack of beer. And so it was like a 22 pack of beer. Yeah. Oh, no, I think that's only thing we brought the beer. Yeah, Chad took the beer and made me take the Chihuahuas and run home. Arties, man. Hey, like, I got to make sure this beer gets back. You hopefully you get back with the dogs.

I just want to ask you, Chad, do deer make noises when they're trying to chase humans and rape them? because that happened to you too. Yeah, I did. I did almost get raped or killed by a deer once, yeah, for sure. And I'm wondering if it made sounds when it was charging you. Yeah, snorted. Yeah, in the snorting sound, you know, have you ever heard a deer bleat?

Yeah. Yes, I have. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. With the deer thing, I came out my mom's house, same place the mountain line was. came out. There was snow on the ground at night, came out in the back door. I was going back in the backyard towards the woods for whatever reason. But as I was outside,

I heard something down by the creek, which is the opposite direction. It was like towards the road. And I heard some kind of almost what you're saying. But it was, it was either a dough or a something. But all I know is I walked up in the backyard after I heard, I was like,

whatever. And I saw, I was shining a flashlight, saw lights in the eyes. And I thought first, I was like shit as a bear or something. And it wasn't. It was a buck.

and he looked at me. Was it during running season? Yeah, I think it was. And he looked at me. Yeah, he looked at me and I looked at him and he, I didn't even move. He came after me. He charged you.

Yes. You got in the way of his harem. Yeah. And I was literally right in between the creek and him. And I was in between and he freaking charged me. I ran as fast as I could to the back door. He was only 50 yards from me probably. or probably 30 yards.

I ran as fast as I could to back door, and there's a slope in the back door. I freaking fell. Damn near broke my arm trying to get in the back door. And he was literally rearing up trying to punch me. You said he wanted to rape you. I don't know. It is.

A lot of people don't understand. And they don't use their antlers as means to fight, which I'm glad you weren't gored. Yeah. But the, but deer, even, even does use their, their front hooves. Yep. And they'll cut you up. Yeah.

Those front hood, those hooves of their, those hubs on dears, they will, they will cut you up. But just imagine, though, I'm, as I'm running down, as I'm running, I am freaking screaming to my, my mom's inside. And I know she's in the kitchen because I can see through the kitchen window. I'm freaking yelling, dude. And so she, as I almost break my arm, she opens the back door right there and this deer's rearing up, like about to do something. He's either going to beat my ass or he's going to try to have sex with me. And I wasn't sure which it was.

But I was trying to haul ass get up and run through the back door. I literally dove in the back door, dude. This deer was all up in the back door. And my mom was like, what in the hell? Yeah. And your mother saw this. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. She saw it all. and then that was the one experience and then one day I was feeding raccoons through my window and then dog food and then one of them for whatever reason my mom scared him and instead of the freaking raccoon going

the opposite direction he jumps in the freaking window and in the house oh yeah I got him years ago we used to have an outdoor cat and so we leave out cat food out for it but the lane is

we kept on notes in the cat feed would disappear more than the cat. cat come and eat. And it was due to raccoons. So me and my wife were sitting there and it was pitch dark and we were sitting there on our back deck. And we noticed that these little fur balls, these little baby raccoons started coming in. And there was like six of them.

Just cute as get out. And I told my wife, I said, Joel, don't move. And she goes, but they're so cute. I said, honey, there's a mama. there's a mama somewhere out there. And if they think you're missing with the, it's cub, she will tear you up. I said, do not move. And sure enough, this thing was big as a dog, came walking up.

It was a big old mama. And we just sat there and I didn't move because I did not want to jack with mama. And they milled around a little bit. And then they took a sniff of us and they caught a sniff of us and then ran back down. and at that point that's when I finally went lit out of big oh exhale god oh yeah they're vicious oh yeah they're damn vicious oh yeah raccoons yeah yeah they are yeah I've seen

I've seen the wildlife officers trying to catch them and they holy shit those things are crazy in cages yeah you thought us women were crazy there's a lot of things in the wood snake was right about one thing there's a lot of thing in the woods that you need to be respectful of Yeah. You getting attacked and the main by a big foot, you're probably more likely to get struck by lightning in the middle of a football field, in the middle of a football field with the dome over it. But still, it could happen. I just think honestly, Ron, the cougar story, and we're going to wrap it up in a second, but the cucker story that I saw today in Colorado that was telling you about the killed the woman.

And by the way, it wasn't just, it wasn't just one cougar. apparently they had seen three cougars that were all surveilling these officers that were around this area. Probably mom and cubs. Yeah. And so they killed two. They killed two of them. I guess the wildlife has a special team that when something like this happens, they go and find them and then dispatch them. Especially when they're cubs, because once they learn that we're easy prey, it's on.

Yeah. So they went and killed two and they couldn't find one. Yeah, I know for sure. but it just it literally just reiterizes the point that like when you're in the woods when you're in the wilderness is you're not on your playing field anymore it is a very different thing you're in someone else's backyard yeah and and you better be respectful of it there is

and that's what I was saying about the the 411 book there are so many things out there that can contribute to you not coming back yeah You know what the average distance from a main forest path, what the average distance, they find the remains of someone they got lost in the woods? Probably not very far. Probably like five miles, I bet. No, I don't think.

No, no, try within a mile. Yeah. It's like how people get, they have shark attacks. They're not out swimming in the middle of the ocean, like the opening scene of jaws. No. Most shark attacks happen within. three feet of water. Yeah.

And by the way, Ron, to that point, think about it. If you're a freaking beast in the woods, a bear, mountain line, whatever, like the forest paths where everybody hikes is kind of like Ocean Boulevard in Myrtle Beach. It's like you kind of want to go and observe and kind of be near there. And these things are going to want to see what's going on. Yeah. And they're going to be. What foods you have or what they spill.

Yes, absolutely. Because have you guys been the Gatlinburg? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We don't live that far from me. God. Yeah. I've seen more bears in that town than I've ever seen in all the fruit planes of America.

Yeah, I don't even think you can go to Alaska and see more bears. Then you can't have got Lepard. I swear to God. They're like raccoons and possums. Yeah, these bears open doors. They'll open your freaking house door. They go up to houses and open the door and go in. Yeah, I've seen somebody that had it.

There was a bear that got in his truck. I don't know if you saw that video. Yeah, I've seen tons of those. Yeah. And he was in his truck. he's trying to open the door and run around, open the other door, and trying to get this bear out of here. Did you see the one where the freaking bear in Gatlinburg,

another bear, was in a car and he was sitting there blowing the horn? The bear was? Yeah. It's just, it's nuts. Or they'll go swimming in the swimming pool or just hang out and do whatever they want to do. Yeah.

There was, when I went to Gatlinburg, me and the other friends were going back to our vehicle. And someone, and we were in a parking spot of a hotel. right smack in the middle of town. And we were headed back to the, to our parking space.

And these people that were on a balcony of their hotel said, watch out for the bear. He's only about a car away from you. And sure enough, we looked over to our left. And there was a bear head sticking up, looking at us. That's crazy.

And by the way, Ron, and we're talking about all these things. Think about this too. So we're talking about bears. Bears can absolutely kill you. And grizzlies can kill you. Mountain lines can kill you. all these things can kill you in the woods.

I think the biggest thing with Bigfoot's would be that if Bigfoot's are really in the woods, say that they are in Pisga, say that they are near Gatlinburg, say that they're in Arkansas or wherever. I think the biggest advantage that Bigfoot's would have to it from a danger perspective would be that wouldn't you believe that Bigfoot's would be smarter than bears and mountain lines? Absolutely. Yeah. So.

All right. Let's go with a primate that was once considered legendary, a myth, but is no longer, and that is the mountain gorilla. Yeah. Okay. Mountain gorillas are, have you ever seen a mountain gorilla at a zoo, by the way? They got hands the size of your hips. They're huge.

The male, the silverbacks. Oh, yeah. They, their hands would cover my feet. face and the fingers will wrap around the back of my head. They're huge. They're big. But they're not known for their heads being cases. Yeah.

But they are not known for attacking and killing humans. But you know what? What's the biggest killer? What's the biggest killer in Africa is? A hippopotamus. Yeah. Hippos. But also, but do you know how brutal chimpanzees are, though, with their own?

Okay. Once again, I remember wild. back when it was a few years, it was about 10, 15 years ago, where they had to, where that poor woman had her face literally bit off by a chimpanzee. Yeah. That chimpanzee was a cute little baby chimpanzee. Oh, put them in diapers, raised them up. Chimpanzee became a little teenager.

And this woman came to visit her friend who owned the chimpanzee. The chimpanzee saw the woman as a threat. it and literally bitter face off. Didn't kill her, but better face. And was attacking this poor woman. And the woman that owned the chimpanzee called 911. Police officer showed up. And he came out to investigate because what?

The shit, what? And he came out there. And that damn plane came charging at the police officer. And the woman said, run, go back to your car. He ran back to the car. And before he got the car back in the car, you got the door shut, that champancy ripped the door open and started going after him. That police officer emptied a full magazine of nine millimeter into that champancy. Still did not automatically kill it.

The vein actually drug itself back to it's a little bed and died there. Yeah. And they always say that thing just ate a woman's face off. Yeah. And do you realize how chimps are. much stronger than humans, too. Even, you know, if you look at a chimp and you're like, oh, that's cute. You know how they like, if you ever saw the videos where they're like straddling up to a human and they hug the human and they look decently smaller and we're talking about chimps.

But they will rip your freaking arms off. They are incredibly strong. They go after, when they go to bite, they go after one or two things. They either go for, they either go for the face or they go for, especially for the, um, they go for the gonads and and the vein is chimpanzees I don't know how much you have read the what was her name Goodman Sydney or something Sydney but I know what you're talking about the not the expert but is she expert she out yeah she was yeah she was the blonde she was like she was blonde did all the videos yeah I know

you're talking I think she was from Australia or England or something maybe she yeah she she documented cannibalism was very uh and and troops of and that's what they call them troops of chimpanzees they would go after other troops and they'd kill everybody depending on who was the most stronger troop and cannibalism was very prevalent in chimpanzee troops within their own ranks oh so i wasn't right about i was right about asking if they were cannibal Yeah, I mean Oh, squashes. I don't know.

I don't have that information. I just know chimpanzees are. But they're primate. But listen, I think cannibalism goes towards situations for groups of whatever. No, but just bare necessity. It's kind of funny, like the Haiti thing that we had talked about. You remember when Haiti went to hell, which Haiti's kind of always been at hell, but two years ago or three years ago, when that barbecue guy, that was that basically they

overtook the government of Haiti. but the government was barely in people yeah and they were killing any doc what you call it this guy was named they nicknamed him barbecue he was like the gang leader of Haiti two or three years ago and when they overthrew the government they were killing all of the opposition and then they were they were literally throwing the bodies on fires and then eating them and it was on video these are people and like even though we talk about chimps and stuff doing this shit there are tribes that still do this in the amazon and africa and africa wherever, they will eat your ass.

And I think it comes down to necessity. I also think it's just your culture that you've raised, you've been raised in. The way that we think about cannibalism is... It's like you're conquering something. And yeah, it's like your prize. Absolutely. It's like a lion in the freaking...

Okay, far as humans go, it's very rare when cannibalism was just because it was a food source. It was a spiritual name. When you consume the body, you consume their spirit. It's just the headhunters. They didn't do it just because they wanted to. a new pendant on their necklace. They did it to conquer the souls of their enemies.

Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. And by the way, you know the old conspiracy theory about certain elites that, which we won't go into graphic detail, but that they eat babies. I said not graphic details. But anyways, like how they consume. You've heard the conspiracy theory about people consuming blood.

Was it called and a chrachrome? No, adrenachrome. Yeah. It's like when someone's very scared, especially the youth. and it releases Drinacrom. Supposedly people, elites believe that

euthanizes you. It makes you youth. That's what they believe. And it's in large part a demonic type spiritual thing. And also keep in mind, there's been a lot of tribes throughout history that believe

in this very demonic type spiritual. Well, that's just not tribal. There was a woman in the lower steps of Russia and she was a noble woman and she believed that bathing in the blood of virgin

kept her, kept her, was like the spring of eternal youth. Yeah, the fountain of youth. Yeah, and people say, people call this conspiracy theories, but have you ever read the Bible about some of the crazy stuff that happened? It's in there. Yeah. And even the Bible, like all the stuff that had happened during biblical days. And it's just crazy.

Yeah, that's the reason why Israel wiped out a lot of those tribes and guns with the shit, but they did. Yeah, it's supposedly, I don't know. This world is, this world is crazy, man. And that's why it's with the UFO thing coming out, if people don't, if people don't believe Bigfoot could exist, at the very least, you have to understand the government's going to lie to you. And that's the biggest thing. And is Snake lying to us? I don't know.

Why the hell would you name yourself Snake, the Bigfoot hunter if you're trying to be, if you're trying to be credible. And so what we need to do. Have you seen him? You've seen the video of them, right? Yeah. Yeah, when I was watching the audio clip we played earlier, I saw him. The first thing I thought about was the Earl, the tiger guy. Oh, yes.

That's who I was thinking of. No, I swear to God. Gosh. Yeah, you're talking about, oh, my God. Tiger King. Yeah. Lying. Yeah.

The Tiger King. Tiger King. Yeah. That supposedly murdered somebody. Yeah. He reached out to our podcast. Yeah. He wanted to come on in our podcast.

All I can say is from what I've read, from what I was told, from what I have seen, I am highly skeptical that this exhibit at the first. at the fairgrounds that Snake, Snake, the Jake Roberts or whatever his name is, has in his possession is a authentic big foot. And Faria has him gathering up evidence and having it research and stuff,

great. Show me the paperwork. Yeah. Even the prizes that he said that he got from the Native Americans, great. Show me the pride. Either way, though. If you're so proud of it,

and you're basing your, all the veracity of your statements, show me the money. Ron, with your network, though, can we do something? Can we get you to reach autism, people to see if they can reach out to him so we can either confirm or deny this and then have an update podcast on the video I sent you. Bigfoot at the fair. Watch it. All right, Bigfoot. So I will put that video in the description below, by the way.

And by the way, Ron, you're going to be speaking at a conference soon. What conference is at? we're going to put that link also in the description. I have it. But what is the conference and what are you speaking about? That's these. What am I speaking about really, Chad? Are you speaking about Neanderthals?

No. I'm talking about, yeah, I'm talking about a big foot bone penises. Anyway, no, that's a joke, people. I will be, I will normally be a speaker, but I will be also the MC for the Southern Illinois Bigfoot conference in Mount Vernon, Illinois, September 5th and 6th, I believe. Okay, cool. Or no, September 5th.

The actual conference will take place Saturday, September 5th. Okay. And so we'll put that link if any of you, Illinois people are anywhere near there. Go see Ron. Go say hey. Go say hey to Ron. Yeah, absolutely. Mother fucking Uncle Ron.

Oh, this mother. And by that time, and by that time, I will look like Santa. Yeah, you will. Yes, you will. You're getting ready for Santa time. It was September, October, November, December. How long do you get to grow your beard for Santa? By the way, guys, if you've, I've never seen a more realistic life like Santa than Ron.

I'm not even kidding. Here's the tradition in my house. I shaved my beard. I'm full grown beard. It's December 24th. At midnight, as a first gift to my wife, I shaved all my beard off except for the little goatee and I get that very close. And that is my first gift to my wife. She gets her husband's face back.

And when is that? December, midnight on Christmas Eve. Yeah, after he delivers the presents. Okay. So you're growing your beard right now for Christmas. Oh, yeah. And anyway, so I let that, I don't, and I keep it that way until this year I actually started in after, in, I started in April.

I usually let this goatee grow out. And then July 1st, I started growing my sides and my side. and my size right now are just fudge. But come September, yeah, I'll be full-blown white beard in the whole nine yards. Can we direct people to your Facebook so they can see what you look like? Actually, I'll send you a page of this year's growth and show you how it's going. Okay. Yeah, I don't know if you want all this for a request or not.

But either way, yeah, Ron, I think it's an interesting topic for sure. and Sherry and I, we were talking about this two days ago, or maybe it was yesterday. We're going to go investigate Bigfoot in this town. Probably I want to do it somewhere closer to fall because, like I said, I don't want it to be 100 degrees. Even though in the mountains is not crazy hot during that time. And we wanted to do this with the UFO thing, which we had an opportunity and then one person backed out. We had an awesome setup that we were going to go out and investigate some of these UFO and orb sightings off the coast. And maybe we can still make that happen at some point in time.

But the big thing. I can manage it. But I would love to pay you all a business. It'd be awesome. We'll show you the road. We'll pay for, you know, look, we'll fly you out. We'll give you a hotel. And then we'll stay for three or four days and we'll interview people.

And I think it'd be cool to get you on video, especially as you're growing your beard out. And we can get pre-San-up. October is always a good year. Always a good month for me to go squatch. And I actually call it Squatchetch-Cobber. Squash-tover, yeah. That'd be cool. And the reason why I like going, go and reach.

the woods and research Bigfoot in October is because that's when the fall, the, when the vegetation starts dying out. Yeah. And the peepers, the tree, the tree frog and the insect. You go in the woods right now around here. Can't hear shit. On here, it's, oh yeah, you can't even hear yourself breathe. It's just full of white noise.

So by that time, the air gets crisper. There's more there's more foliage on the ground far as the leaves and stuff. So you can hear things from miles to the sound residents and dry air. The sound resident. And plus, Ron can do a great squash call. And I'm hoping you'll do it for us. Ron, let's plan something. Tonight, can you do it?

Can you do a squash call? Yeah, do a call. I'm on my back porch. So the neighbors may race, man. Hold on. Let me take my mic away for maybe otherwise I'll blow up. Hold on Ron. I don't think we can hear you.

We don't hear you. I think it's cutting out. It's cutting out the sound. The reason why is because it will blow it out. You have to be about to be away from with a mic without it cutting out of that. Okay. Listen, this is what we're going to do. We need to plan on like September, October.

October, we good. If we can plan that, we'll make a trip of it. Four days. I'll get to town together. We'll video. everything. It'll be a documentary. October would be better because September.

Me and my wife are going to New Mexico to visit my Apache family. Oh, nice. There is a, there's a, there is a event called the Gohia, which is like the Super Bowl of Apaches. And it's a foot, it's a foot race and it's a very, it's a very spiritual time. I've been to it. my wife has not and she wants to experience it so we're going to drive up there and do that well that's awesome because i think last year you went to a lascan cruise that was the year before oh yeah and i think you had an amazing time with that yeah yeah we're gonna do let's plan on october we'll pick a weekend

in october like a friday saturday sunday monday and we'll go out there and we'll investigate and we're going to do it documentary style we'll bring a couple camera guys and we'll all stay get everything we possibly can and see what happens. We're not going to go hike deep in the forest, but we can find the closest past two woods that is pretty easy. Should we invite our audience to join us? No, I don't think. I don't know.

I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, we could potentially do that for sure. Yeah. I mean, people at least people in the area if they want to come for sure. Maybe the last night or the, okay, look, if we get there Friday, maybe we could, hold on.

If we got there Thursday, which Ron, you might have to take off. Friday or something. But if we got there Thursday, we can invite them Saturday. So we could do Thursday Friday investigating Saturday, we could have a meetup. And that'd be cool. Yeah. And roast some orders around the fire or something. Yeah. Now, here's the thing. A lot of people, when they hear me, this is what sets me aside from a lot of people that has the tendency to five that's research. there is nothing I have said that just, you know, seems sensational about this research. It's pretty, it's pretty, it's straightforward.

Yeah, it's straightforward. Yeah. It's straightforward to me. The topic of Bigfoot is sensational. Yes, it is. As long as you keep it, keep your feet on the ground. Yeah. And by the way, when we do this podcast, we have fun, Ron, and we have a good time.

But I want to, but I do want to see, I want to be with Ron in person. and kind of get like, do some serious investigating and then also have some fun times. Yes, that would be cool. And so if we can, if we can plan that, Rondo. Yeah, and I'd love to do a meetup. That would be so fun. Yeah, I think that video would go huge on YouTube. And it would be like the gals at Indiana fever say, let's do this.

Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. And then I'll figure out what town that is. And then I'll investigate. And then we'll reach out to the town. We'll reach out to whoever is going to help us just consolidate or accomplish. accommodate this and we'll go from there.

But anyways, Ron, anything you want to say to the people before you go, besides the conference you have coming up in September, is it September? Yeah. September 6th. September 6th. You are part of Bigfoot-filled researchers organization. You guys can go check them out. They have, I believe, a website, social media. Beupro.

Yeah, BFRO.net. But Ron, like I said, they're going to see you in October. I know it because we're going to make this happen for sure. Okay. So we'll definitely look forward to that. But guys, that's going to do it for us. Thank you so much, Ron, for coming on the show. We definitely appreciate it.

We always like having you on. Always a pleasure. Always fun. If you want to hang around for a minute, you can. If not, that's fine. We can text back again for it for. I know we've been on here for two hours. But we're going to play it out with a rap song. We know Ron loves rap, probably.

Even though that's why I did start it with. He said hippie. Even though that's why I did start out with Tennessee in my mind. I couldn't find Arkansas, but we got Tennessee, and we will play that with From the Jump by M.D.H.D. Nick, guys, that's it for us. Until next time, we love you. Peace out. You'll see Ron next time in October on video. Yes. Let's do it. Peace out, guys. See you. I promise. Had to lose just a win, and I'm still climbing.

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