Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Bigfoot Sighting in Colorado With Ron Boles | Conspiracy Podcasts

Episode Date: October 13, 2023

This is one of our best episodes on the Bigfoot Topic with Bigfoot expert Ron Boles. Ron Boles is from BFRO ( Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization ) where they travel the country in search of scientific Bigfoot evidence. Is Bigfoot real or a tall tale? A couple in Colorado recently captured video of this potentially elusive creature where they swear Bigfoot is real and they have evidence. All of this and more on this episode of Bigfoot Sighting in Colorado With Ron Boles | Conspiracy Podcasts

Welcome to Investigator Podcast. I'm your chat alongside my beautiful Sasquatch wife, Sherry. Why are you calling me that? Are you kidding me? I'm just kidding.

I am not a saskwash. Or a big foot. I'm a little foot. You're a little foot. Little squatch. I'm a little cute little foot. Don't say that, dude, because people are buying up feet pictures

on OnlyFans. Oh yeah, that's true. And you don't want me to do that. But anyways, hey guys, welcome to the podcast. We're very excited about this. This is going to be a great podcast for you to listen to you. It is.

Just to kind of lighten your day up and get some real information out there. And funny too, right? I mean, it is 833 p.m. here on the East Coast of the United States of America. And guys, listen, we've covered a lot of heavy topics lately. Obviously, the Israel Hamas thing and Israel, Palestine. There's a lot of things always that we cover very heavy. always depressing. It's always things like this. And on this particular episode, we brought the one and the only, Ron Bowles.

Bigfoot expert, Bigfoot investigator with BFRO, Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization. And this is an organization much like Mufon. So if you've heard of Mufon, which is the mutual UFO network or the group that investigates UFO sightings and so on, where you might have seen Mufon in many documentaries and so on and so forth. BFRO is very similar, right? They're just the massive organization for Bigfoot research. And Ron Bowles is an investigator with BFRO.

He has also had some involvement in the Finding Bigfoot series on Animal Planet that you guys may or may not have seen. Huge is massive, right? Massive. Yeah, I watched all those shows. Yeah. And so we have Ron Bowles on here. And listen, the thing that, like, warmed my heart with this episode is, Obviously, we're talking about the Colorado Bigfoot site in the recent one, right?

And this is something that it went viral. It is still going viral right now. This video is going viral. People believe, like, hey, is this real? There are people speculating. Is it not real? Is it real? There's also other people that you would, that's never even talked about Bigfoot or

conspiracies or any of this stuff. And they're like, well, just think about it this way. Like, what if we are in a simulation? And it's like, this is just because every. Everything right now is going crazy, right? The world's going crazy. We're understanding or starting to understand that UFOs exist. And aliens and the government and whistleblowers are coming out and saying,

we have alien bodies from another planet. Yeah. People are starting to really think outside the box of the box we used to live in. We're now, like, thinking outside the box. Absolutely. And, you know, five or ten years ago, if you believed heavily that UFO body, were part of the government. They had these bodies or hit.

They had any of this stuff. You were considered a psychopath. You were crazy. They would put you in a loony bin. And they still kind of like that with Bigfoot, to be honest. Well, they are. But I think it's coming around finally,

I hope. Yeah. They will. But the reality of that is, too, is that this episode, Ron has basically given his

I guess expertise and everything he has devoted a lot of his life to on this recent Colorado Bigfoot siding in video. And although he did not go into his original siding as a teenager, which I think that you guys definitely... Yeah, 20s, I think. Where I do think you guys definitely need to listen to that episode. And it is on one of our episodes. It's either Bigfoot 1 or Bigfoot 2. So if you go back, and this was in our early days, but go back. back to Bigfoot episodes and just, you know, look up the one with Ron Bowles.

You'll hear his encounter and everything that happened during that time. You'll hear all that. And I encourage you all to do that. But he does also tell a couple of stories. But man, this freaking podcast is funny. It's hilarious. It is funny. We joke.

We have camaraderie. It is so fun to have done this podcast, especially all the bad things we always talk about this this made my heart feel a little less heavy tonight. And hopefully it will for you guys as well, regardless of your stance on Bigfoot. So before we get into this, and we're about to bring you to Ron Bowles right now, go follow us on X, Investigator Earth Podcast, go follow us on Facebook, Investigator's Podcasts on Instagram, or anywhere that you can possibly follow us on. Go support us there because we post stuff all the time to those platforms.

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But yeah, go follow us, guys. We're a family here. And the reality is that we only have each other. We have each other that are trying to seek the truth. And there is an agenda against the truth. There's an agenda against the people that are desperately trying to be soldiers of the truth. of the truth and that's what we do. That's what we're trying to do.

That's what we've literally started this podcast for. We've five years in the making. It's still our biggest passion in our entire universe is this podcast and you guys. So without further ado, let's get into the Ron Bulls episode about the Colorado Bigfoot siding, but trust me, it is way more

than the Colorado Bigfoot's siding. You have a... I'm telling you're going to have a fun time listen to this, right? There's a lot in store. Check it out. Hello, everybody, and we are here with Ron Bowles. Ron. How are you doing tonight? And it's been a while, but welcome back. I am doing fantabulous. That's a different word, but I like it.

Ron, you've been on a podcast with us before. Actually, probably almost four years ago now, I'm pretty sure, because we've been doing the podcast. No, we did another one. Yeah, remember the Giant on the Mountain? bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was what year ago, but I remember originally you were on, four years ago. About four years ago, yeah, when we did our original. Yeah, right. Yeah, Ron, give us a little background for our listeners about who you are, where, if you want to tell where you live, and kind of what got you into the Bigfoot thing and just the whole topic of Bigfoot, because, you know, if a lot of people look up Bigfoot, they're going to find your name. Tell us a little bit about that.

My name is Ron Bowles. That's B-O-L-E-S. W-W is for Wimps. And I have been involved with the mystery of Bigfoot for 17 years now. I had my first experience back in the late 80s, but I sort of was a closet believer then. And then I got involved with a organization called the BFRO went on my first expedition in 2007 and have been involved ever since. I am an investigator and I have been to and organized many expeditions over the fruited plains, Colorado, Texas, New Mexico, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, You name it.

I've been there. Ohio, you know. So I've been around. I've done quite a bit of investigation. I have done a lot of research. I think the benefit of knowing the environment that you live in, the ecology and the terrain of the area that you live in is a great help towards the investigation of Bigfoot gives you an idea what kind of water supply,

what kind of water supply they have, what kind of terrain that they might live in, and what kind of wildlife that they may use as a food source. Yeah. And so, and obviously we're going to be talking about the Colorado Bigfoot siding in particular tonight, but just give me your overall, like what is it that or why is it that you believe along with so many people around the world that Bigfoot is real what would you tell people as far as especially the naysayers the people out

there are like oh my God Bigfoot's not real there's no proof of it why have we never found him what would you tell those people well here's the thing the main reason why I believe or know that they exist because I saw one myself many years ago and in that time and over the years that I've been I've been investigating and been out in the field in the woods and and investigating I've you know I've seen I've seen one in afar I've been I've listened to their their vocalizations

I have been I've had rocks thrown at me I've been in a tent happily laying there mind of my own business for something to walk up and nudge me through the fabric, the canvas. You know, I have done everything, but walk up and shake one's hand. Yeah. So to me, you know, it's just a matter of fact. But, you know, it's not just that. I mean, forensically speaking with the hair samples, the footprints, the dermal ridges from the

from the footprints or hand prints. You know, hair samples, did I already say the hair samples? Scat samples and all that good stuff and even blood samples. Forisically speaking, if this was a murder trial, they would already been found guilty. But so, you know, it's not a matter of it not being, there's no proof and it's not been recognize as the possibility of it being real. The simple fact of it is the scientific community who proclaims that, you know, their, you know,

their heads and shoulders above all the rest is holding on to the same method to prove anything exists. They need one either alive in a cell or dead on a slap. Yeah. And who's to say that they don't have one of those? Well, yeah, and who's to say that they don't have one of those, right? Kind of like aliens. You know how they have lied to us all this time about aliens,

and they've had them the whole time. Yeah. Could it be the same thing with Bigfoot. And that's a possibility. The simple fact of it is, though, if such a thing was to happen, believe or not, it's follow the money situation. For example, it took over 20 years for the state of Missouri to recognize that there are indeed cougars in Missouri. And I'm not talking to the older women.

You know, the older women. I'm talking about, you know, mountain lions. Yeah. It took them 20 years to recognize for the conservation department to officially recognize that, yes, they are indeed. Missouri. Why? Because they didn't have the budget for it. Every year they allotted so much money to their department in order to do what they need to do, whether, you know, fishing, hunting and research and control of certain types of animals, right? Well, if they got a budget and everything's allotted to each department to the penny, then for them to recognize that they have a new

element in the mix, that would throw their budget topsy-turvy. So if they have to put money towards the research and the conservation of mountain lions, then that means another department is going to be deprived of funds. Now, let's put that in a... in perspective of a Sasquatch or the or the recognition of the population of Sasquatch within North America. That would make a lot of money going from somewhere else be poured into that. And the government would have no choice but to do that because of the

masses that would call for it. Yeah. So they're saying, okay, well, that means that, you know, another department would be deprived of funds. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, even imagine that coming up at the, well, I was just going to say, imagine that coming up as a source of debate and argument at Congress. Yeah, I mean, you know, and that's even, you know, back when, you know,

I grew up in the mountains of North Carolina, and, you know, supposedly mountain lines are not in North Carolina mountains. I absolutely do not believe that because of the fact that, number one, you know, where my family and I grew up, you know, we were surrounded by woods and mountains. And, you know, if you've ever heard, by the way, a mountain lions call or especially, you know, some of their vocalizations, very similar to Bigfoot, which we're going to play in a minute. But, you know, if you've ever heard a mountain line call in the wild at night, it is the most horrific thing you will ever hear because it sounds like a woman getting murdered. Right. Yeah. Like, it is the craziest sound. Okay, if you say so. Yeah, it's unmistakable.

I mean, and it's crazy sounding when you see that. But on top of that, we used to have a dog that, you know, would stay out front in the yard. And one day we were outside in the front yard. And this is keeping in mind in the mountains of North Carolina, where they say that there's no mountain lines. They're in danger. They're no longer there.

And we saw this mountain line off in the distance about where the road is. You know where mom's dirt road is back there. It was literally sitting there right next to the road looking at our dog. So, you know, this is one of those things that, to your point, I've never understood that, especially with the Arkansas thing, I get what you're saying. I mean, it's for them to even acknowledge mountain lines exist in certain areas. I think you've got a good point there. They're going to have to divert funding there. And then also you've got to think, too, is like, does it scare people that mountain lines?

lines are in the woods. Does it take away from tourism or or any of these things? We don't know. But Ron, you talked about the Bigfoot vocalizations. I want to play this and I think that you'll be able to hear this. I know we went a couple different ways to get your audio

correct tonight, but I think you'll be able to hear this when I play it. We played this on one of our previous episodes but this was one example. I believe this was recorded in Canadian, I think it was Canadian wilderness. Well, and some of the audio we played was actually Ron's audio, and we didn't even know it at the time. Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, I think so. But anyway, so here is the clip. Ron, hopefully you can hear it, but it's only 19 seconds. So if you don't hear anything, then you'll hear us in a minute. There you go. Now, what does that sound like to you, Ron? Does that sound similar? Did you hear that?

Sorry, guys. No, I couldn't hear it. Okay. Well, we played it on the podcast the first time. It basically sounded like a, like a screen. but it was like a how how scream right how would you describe the bigfoot vocalization typically well it depends on the individual there's different types of screams and here's my vein about felines and yes a lot of people might make the uh the comparison that you know cougars make

it like a woman screaming right i've listened but the vein is uh until i say see a clip of a mountain lion actually making that woman. I mean, don't get me wrong. They'll make some great vocalization, some real, you know, noises. Mm-hmm. But I find it hard to believe that a feline can make a primate sound. Oh, I see what you're saying.

Yeah, yeah. And by the way, I wasn't saying that either. I would just saying, but I think maybe what you're saying is, potentially that what they want you to hear. here in the woods as mountain lines may not be? I'm saying that yes, that sometimes, sometimes a big foot can be misidentified as a different creature. Okay.

You know, but, you know, but like I said, there's all different types of sound. I mean, you got the old how-oh-how, you know, and and then you have the set, what we call the sentinel, whoop, you know, where, you know, people are entering in their area.

And one individual was looking up while the family pot is out forging. And they'll, you know, they'll let out big a, or some like that. Yeah. And, you know, and let's the other ones to, you know,

take cover. There's the, the male blast which you know is contributed to males you know

defensively almost a roar like a you know something like that damn you are I think you are big foot

Ron I said I think Ron is bigfoot well I'm I am known for my calls. I'll give you a point example. A very good close friend and now who I consider family. Years ago, we were in Colorado and the San Juan Mountain area. And Hoyt, Valardi and his cousin, we drove miles away.

from where the camp was. But they wanted me to teach them some of the calls that I've, you know, I've developed and learned over the years. And so we did, and I showed them some of the calls I know. And yes, I have a very loud, projecting voice. Anyway, that was like in July. Come December, that same year, Hoyt, calls me up out of the blue one evening, right, you know, right at the tail end of the,

December and, you know, very thick, Native American accent. He goes, I look on the ID and it says, oh, and I said, hey, Hoyt, how are you doing? Hey, we're on. Where are you at right now? I said, I'm at home in Missouri. I said, yeah, Hoyt, I'm in Missouri. And he goes, are you sure? And I said, Hoy, I'm right here.

I can't, I mean, do you want me to call my wife, called my wife over? And he goes, no, no, no, that's good. I said, Hoy, what is going on? He goes, one of my neighbors they called and let me know that there was something, making some loud sounds and stuff out of the mountains behind us. So I went out and it was snowing and we went out there and I listened for a while and then I came back in and my wife said, what did you hear? And I said, I'm not sure, but I think Rombose is in the mountains.

That is so damn funny It's true story True story That is so funny But you know what That was the highest compliment I've ever been I've ever been in my life

That is hilarious No that is really funny Because like if I mean you know If you were in my woods yelling I might be like yeah Bigfoot's definitely back there

Is either Bigfoot or Ron So Ron how did you learn all these calls? Like, did you record actual calls and then imitate them? I've recorded some calls. I've recorded some calls. I've listened to a lot of calls from various other researchers. And I just kept on playing and and mimicked and worked on it until, like, you know, I can kind of put it down pat.

Now, Ron, do you think these calls, because, listen, I'm going to give you a really weird. example, a cross-reference example. But I got into birds for a little while for like two months until, well, I got into birds until our cats started destroying all of them as they would come into the yard. Because we had had some kittens. But during that time before that, I would literally use a speaker in my phone to mimic the sounds of cardinals or things like this, like the calls. He would like to the audio of them.

And literally five minutes after I would do this audio, they would show up. I mean, they'd be here. And they're like, oh, sweet. And then you would do another type of beer. I play with Cardinals all the time. They'll be out there and I'll be on the backyard and I'll just, you know, do them. And I'll get those Cardinals. What I really like to play with is barred owls.

You know, I'll be out there at night and a lot of people mistake barred owls for squatches. But, you know, but, you know, I'll get them go. I've had them sweep around my head, you know, because I'll, you know, and I'll have them, I'll have them swoop my head. But the funny thing is when they're nesting, when the female, you know, recognizes that the male is close by, they'll start doing monkey chatter. Look that up, bard owl monkey chatter. Because I swear to God, it sounds just like a chimpanzee, just, like that. And I've heard it at night.

And I'm telling you what. You're like, what? You know. But a lot of people mistake that too. See, here's the problem. I mean,

this has always been a model of mine. When all things possible has been rolled out, only then can we look to the impossible as being the answer. Makes sense. Yeah. And we're experiencing this in the UFO phenomenon right now, too. Right. Sherry, go ahead.

Well, I was going to say, in Ron's experiences, though, he has actually, you know, heard them and, like he said, had rocks thrown in them. And witnessed them. And witnessed them. But a lot of people that say they encounter Bigfoot, Ron can completely say, nope, I definitely don't think it was that. So Ron doesn't just think everything that people say is a Bigfoot is a Bigfoot. Yeah, absolutely. And in order to maintain your integrity as an investigator, you have to be the most skeptical person out there. You've got to dig for a lot of dirt to find gold.

Yeah, you can't want it in every situation. You can't want it to be Bigfoot. Yeah. I mean, it almost sounds like I'm being a negative nelly, but they're guilty until proven innocent to me. Yeah, yeah, makes sense. Well, speaking of that, let's get into this New York Post article and this viral video that's been going on in Colorado. And I want to just read the New York Post article. It says with a big headline, Bigfoot spotted in Colorado in broad daylight.

And it's all on camera. And it goes to quote, we're convinced. So the article says, a couple on a romantic break in Colorado claims to have captured the mythological creature Bigfoot on camera wandering around the side of a mountain before sitting down to rest, all in broad day. broad daylight. Professed eyewitnesses, Shannon and Stetson, or sorry, Shannon and Stetson Parker enjoying a trip for their 10th wedding anniversary, claimed to observe this legendary Lomax while enjoying a sightseeing tour on the narrow gauge rail line between Durango and Silverton in the Centennial States far southwest.

And it goes on the quote, We were looking for an elk in the mountains, and my husband sees something moving and then can't really explain it. So he's like, Bigfoot, Shannon, a 44-year-old. contractor from Cheyenne, Wyoming told the post. They go on to say it was at least six, seven foot tall or taller. It matched the sage in the mountains so much that he's like camera flogged when crouching down. If you ask before our trip, we would have said that we would possibly see Bigfoot or that Bigfoot is real.

We would have never thought this, but now we are convinced. Shannon, who shared video of the odd one to two minutes siting in a Facebook post also said that the train's conductor told the couple of a similar previous non-human sighting. He said that he went out snowshoeing in those mountains before and had seen footprints that were larger and much bigger stride than snow shoes would have ever been, Parker said. Some took the couple's bigfoot claims in stride. One commented, I believe, in Shannon's post, with another saying, love it, though not everyone is convinced that Chubach's doppelganger exists. and there was another person Who writes this stuff?

I know, right? Legendary Lomix? Yeah, I don't know. It's so weird. Come by please. Please, I digress. Well, it's the New York. It's the New York Post.

And then it goes on to say, and what were y'all drinking another person commented? Parker said some were skeptical that it could have been someone, for example, a hunter and natural camouflage or a prank pulled by locals to benefit unsuspecting tourists. And it said, or they said,

it didn't look like a hunter because a hunter would have had a weapon like a bow since the bow season. She added it didn't seem to be carrying anything. It's been a busy year for the here site Heffalomp, whatever the hell that is, over the summer. An alleged Bigfoot sighting was supposedly calling camera in the woods of Mississippi. Americans have also reported sightings of the big galute. Yeah, literally, I'm with you on this. I don't know who the hell is writing this, but with many reports coming from the forest. Adam West Batman's episode.

I mean... I don't know. It is so strange. But those who claim to have seen Bigfoot have described everything from large, upright ape to an actual hairy human, sometimes standing over eight feet tall and described as powerfully built. Now, there has been other accounts since this post has come out. Some other people on the train that have said they also saw this creature.

I believe there's actually two videos of this from two different passengers. And then I also want to point out before you comment, Ron, about this. So right here. So a Bigfoot siting in Colorado has caught the attention of the USDA Forest Service, which oversees the San Juan National Forest. The agency has refrained from dismissing the siting as a hoax and has it commented on its authenticity. The Forest Service humorously stated that it can neither confirm nor deny the existence of Sasquatch

and promise to inform the media if any official sitings, of the elusive preacher occur on the National Forest System land. While many skeptics doubt the veracity of the video, some in the Bigfoot community believe it could be the real deal, although Bigfoot's existence remains unconfirmed, as nobody has ever been found or studied. And I want to point out one more thing. The only other thing that some people that know this area say

that it is extremely hard to access this area, especially considering it's on the side of this mountain bank, but even the trail systems and everything leading to this is a pretty rugged and tough area to get to. So with all that said, Ron, what do you think? I mean, minus the whoever wrote that article because, oh, my God, that was a hard article to read.

I'm either stupid or they are. What is the dynamic deal going to do now? It's the fiendish, feline, like that woman. Anyway. Okay, here's my take. have you listened to the audio of the man talking or someone talking in that? I have, yeah. And he says, the elusive creature, I mean, it almost sounded like the guy from the New York Post writing it.

Oh, the elusive creature. And they'll look, he squatched down. You know, I was waiting for Marlon Perkins to finish the narrative. Yeah. That's if people remember Marlon Perkins. But anyway, you know, it was almost like I would wonder how much they had the drink. If I saw Bigfoot, I think I would be a little bit more excited than this guy because he sounded like he was on quailudes. Yeah.

And just, you know, oh, you're squatting down now. You know. He's high, obviously. He's not even drinking. Yeah, like, dude. Anyway, the other thing is, if you look around his feet as this thing is walking, it almost looks like pants legs coming around the feet. And I recognize this type of costume because I own one.

It's one of those jackalinks costumes. Okay. No, I do not go out in the woods that you ever, ever, ever and act like Bigfoot. Yeah, that's dangerous. I only wear these for kid, for kid events. Yeah. Okay. I mean, you know, right now I'm donning the beard of Santa Claus, but it don't mean I'm going to be breaking and entering homes on Christmas Eve anytime soon.

So you don't, so you don't buy this. You don't buy this video. The only thing that was really, I found interesting, even though I, I, I, I, think that it was a costume and also some people have even suggested that in that area there was there's an actual outfetter that does little not a turrers and they throw in their their guy in a costume as part of it oh like a in that area got you okay okay yeah and uh

But broad daylight walking along there when there's a moving train not that far away, you know, I just have my doubts. I really, really do. I think this was a guy in a costume. What I did find interesting far as, you know, squash activity. And I thought, and this is someone that knows a little bit about the behavior is, when it did squatch down and almost became like part of the terrain. Yeah.

That is, that is indicative of a squatch behavior. I mean, you know, it was a weird, it was a weird how it got down. It was almost like it just enveloped itself immediately. It wasn't like you were trying to look where you're sitting or any of this stuff. It just was down. Yeah. I mean, you know, I could do, if you put me in a gilly suit in the middle of the rainforest, I can pretty much do the same thing.

It looked like a bush. Are you going to be able to get up, though? That's the question. Well, being that I'm 56 years old and had knee surgery, oh, I'll get up. It just won't be as graceful as this individual. The next train will catch that. The next train will catch you trying to get up.

Oh, they'll hear over the train engine me going, oh. They're doing it to their divorce. Oh, yeah. I'll have both. I know what I give them a roach. show, I'll give a vocalization while I'm at. You know? I mean, go big or go home.

Oh, God. This is so funny. But listen, you do make some good points, though, because, you know, the one thing you think, I guess, is just kind of how he enveloped his stuff and trained. And that is something I noticed as well. It was strange. But yeah, I mean, he did everything, but, you know, the dancing frog from the WB cartoons, you know,

hello, my darling. Yeah. Yeah. I was waiting for the cane and the top hat to be whipped out. All right. So with everybody that is listed in this episode that is hoping that this is going to be real. And listen, I will actually post or not post. I will read what as soon as I saw this video. This is what I said.

I post on Twitter or X, whatever the hell you want to call it nowadays. I said, sorry, but I call it now BS, regardless of this video, do you believe in Bigfoot? I asked people. But I called it BS because there was just something, you know. I mean, as I'm watching it now, it is strange, but this, this, this freaking creature or person is literally on the side of a freaking mountain in the middle of nowhere. So, I mean, that is, that is kind of one thing. And one of the three things I've always said you've got to look for when you look for big.

But water supply, terrain where they can get around, mostly undetected, and food source. And scat. No, I don't. No, I don't think so. That's a bonus. Oh, okay. Bigfoot's, no, no, I'm talking. If you're looking for it, where would Bigfoot be?

You got to look for three things. Water source, food source, terrain. Okay, so what do you think about this terrain in this video? Because, I mean, there's zero trees. Pretty damn rugged. Yeah. Is that indicative of Bigfoot or not indicative of Bigfoot? Especially with no trees, right?

I mean, you know, what is the... But, you know, I don't know. I mean, is it possible? Yes. Is it likely in the middle of the day like that? No. Yeah. Well, and so there was also someone that,

I don't know if you heard about this, but I definitely want to talk about this for a minute, is there's a guy John Greenwald Jr. on X. He says, as many has seen the Bigfoot video going viral this week, here is a reminder that in a 19, In 1775 Washington State Atlas, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, put Sasquatch in the important wildlife section. It's in 1975. They stated, quote, alleged Sasquatch hair samples inspected by the FBI laboratories resulted in the conclusion that no such hair exists on any human or presently known animal for which data is available.

Right, and that's typical. Yeah, so when this person went after these records, via FOIA, they received, or sorry, they, I'm just going to read it how it says it. I did get the FBI file on Bigfoot, but these specific files on the sample referenced in the Atlas were mysteriously missing. So they did actually get files on Sasquatch and what the FBI actually has a file on Sasquatch. So that's number one is the fact that our government and FBI does actually have files on Sasquatch. number two that particular instance

the hair samples and so on that the Atlas referenced in 1975 and then further was not brought forth in this FOIA request right so I thought that was When they asked to review these files

mysteriously these files were nowhere to be seen correct? Yes yeah the hair samples and all this stuff which the Atlas reported which was a huge publication back in 1975 oh well that's simple

just look at in the same vault where where Hunter's laptop is. It's right there. Yeah, I would have said that, but or Hillary's emails. Is it Hillary's email? I'm not going to get political.

Well, you don't want to get murder. You know why I don't get political with, you know why I don't get political with Bigfoot? Because Bigfoot don't give a damn. But what if he does, though? What if he is like a hard, hardcore MAGA supporter? Or what if or what if he's the one that's doing on a murders for Hillary.

Well, I'll tell you this. Oh, God. The only president that has ever wrote and supported by the possibility of these things existed was Theodore Roosevelt and he was a Republican. Okay. Well, there you go. So what did Theodore say about it? Why did he even comment on it? Oh, he did a couple of stories in a book that he wrote, um, way he did.

back when and one was the tale of the only the only documented if you will event of a saskwatch actually killing a trapper and I think of another one where he was actually out there in the mountains and they were hearing vocalization that you know and and and Theodore's And, you know, President Theodore Roosevelt was back in his youth was out there in the mountains quite a bit. I mean, you know, this man founded the National Parks. Wasn't he the guy that was like, wasn't he the guy that was like really in shape? Was that our president?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. He was, yeah, he was all about physical fitness. Yeah. Well, I wanted to ask you, Ron, getting back to the forensic stuff that you were talking about earlier, What do we have actual forensic scientists that have our FBR or whatever that we have files that they've examined the hair or the scat or, you know, anything like that that says it comes from a primate and it's not of anything but a bigfoot? Yeah, like non-human. No, here's the thing.

When it comes to when it comes to audio spectrum, when it comes to blood sample, when it comes to blood sample, scat or hair sample you know hair sample all that good stuff they'll run it they'll run it through the DNA and it will come from unknown source and here's the reason why in order to have the known source publicly you have to have your core sample right you have to have a base sample like a base sample in order to compare it to. I mean, you know, you have to have the core sample or the base sample of a dolphin in order to confirm that

I confirm that that piece of fin that you found in the ocean was indeed came from a bottlenose dolphin. Well, when there is not a quote unquote confirmed base sample DNA, hair sample, what have you, then all they can do is saying, this sample is of unknown origin. Yeah, and it's very similar to some of the stuff

we're seeing the UFO community right now. I mean, there's a lot of very weird similarities. Now, Ron, I want to get it a little deeper. I know we've had some laughs and it's been so funny. Here we go. I want to get in some deep stuff. And we've talked about us a little bit before, but... We played around with it before.

Yeah. I don't want to cross too much into... Because you have... Okay, we could go 12 different routes, and we're not going to. I'm going to stick to two different things. I want to ask two different things. So number one is obviously the consensus, right, of Bigfoot being able to exist with the amount of people that are in, say, this world or just say the United States right now

or Canada, right? And Canada's had a lot of signs as well. The amount of people that have, you know, are constantly traversing wilderness. Although if you actually look, I was looking this up the other day, much like our oceans. Our oceans are, you know, vastly unexplored. Now, our wilderness systems are not that vastly unexplored, but it's still, there are large swaths of our wilderness that no one ever goes on. They never see. They never look at it.

If you go on hiking trails, the amount of acreage that is around you, beyond the trails that you're on, the trails you're on account for maybe four to five percent of what this force actually encompasses, right? So there is a direct possibility that a Bigfoot could survive and be elusive and be non-captured or non-whatever in this environment. And that's to say that if the government isn't actually hiding this from us, they have Bigfoot. in their possession, much like many people were now starting to believe that they do have aliens in possession, according to whistleblowers and whatever, regardless of your thoughts on that. But

I think the big consensus now is like a lot of people are starting to shift, especially after the UFO thing, and we talked about this before, is like, what if this thing is interdimensional? It's not just fully physical. Well, I'll go a step beyond of what you just said. it has been a long-time theory of mine and my belief,

and I can back it up with research data. But my claim is that now the North American continent is more echo-friendly to a squash population than it has been in over 200 years. Why is that? And you're going, okay, why is that? Exactly. Okay. Back in the, back when the settlers and the pioneers came in the area, it was heavily wooded, right?

But once they settled down and they called an area home, what was the first thing they did? They cut down trees to build their shelter. They cut down their trees for fuel source. They cut down the forest and clear-cutted areas so they can grow their crops and their livestock. And then when the Industrial Revolution came along, trees were actually being over-harvested for means of making furniture, making, you know, houses. I mean, concrete, the use of concrete and other materials as a means of shelter was almost unheard of.

and also during that time around the 1800s well okay in Missouri they have what they call the ball they used to have what they called the bald knobs right and basically that was hills that were clear of woods so people would literally be able to stand

on top of these hills and see anybody coming up to them they don't exist anymore here in Missouri. A deer and turkey population has increased. Yeah. You know, the food source. Feral hogs are just almost a plague upon the land. Deer and turkey are all over the place. But even back what, I mean, back when my grandparents were growing up, it was almost

not existent to see a deer or turkey because of the, the over-harvesting that it was done to our wildlife resources. Yeah. Now, you can't hardly swing a stick without hitting one. Me going home at night and I live within the city. That's true. And especially right about now during the beginning of the rutton season, you have to watch out for those things.

Okay? And think about this, the water source. water, the purity of the water and thanks to the improvement has increased 10 times fold just in the past 30 years. And there was a lot of lakes and water reserves did not exist 200 years ago until areas were dammed and lake sources and water reserves were made available. Yeah. So, and far as the woods, there is more forested land in North America than there was 200 years ago before the simple, because of the overharvesting and clear cutting of America forest land. You know why the dust bowl happened in Oklahoma? Why?

because they overharvested the surrounding forest and all that wind and and and and and does from the western part of Oklahoma had nowhere to go but blow in to the east and that took out towns because of overharvesting of the forest land go out there on the eastern part of Oklahoma now and it's like it's like the woolly woods of the upper peninsula and Oregon so so you're argument here, which I 100% am on board with, right? I think you explained it very well. Your argument is for the argument of how could Bigfoot exist physically, right, here now, more than, more than. All right, so let's get into that interdimensional thing. Do you believe? Okay, let me ask you this. What is your, because I, Sherry always rolls her eyes when I go into this. Well, that's because you've asked me this before, and I'll give you the same answer. Go ahead. No, I'm just saying, but what is your, you don't got to say your religious beliefs, but how do you believe in the possibility of interdimensionalality?

When it comes to Bigfoot? Yeah, when it comes to Bigfoot, yeah. Tell us in it, I won't believe it. Right now, I think they're blood and I think they're blood and flesh. Okay. So I think what Chad's alluding to is like Skin Walker Ranch, for example, where these people... Well, not really, but kind of. But you make a good point here, going on.

Where people... see these creatures, these unreal creatures. Giant wolves. Yeah, right, that don't exist in our reality, but they're right in front of them. Because a lot of people say they're interdimensional. And I know some people might say, oh, they're on drugs, but, you know, even going back to Indian times, right?

And we've heard about a lot of Indians believe that Bigfoot, which I think they called them something different. I can't remember. Every tribe had a different name for, every Native American tribe had a different name for Bigfoot. Yeah, I think one of them was like, Wildman or I don't know what that was I mean well whatever yeah yeah

whatever it was but I mean some of these you know the word big foot and Sasquatch which Sasquatch is a combination of two different tribal names but the very named big foot it is relatively a new term that was just brought in in the 1950s because some loggers

found some some big foot prints okay so and I think that to that point right where you get this big foot prints. Do you believe that Indian tribes believed it was more of a spiritual slash interdimensional thing, more than the physical thing?

Or what do you think about that? I, like I said, I, you know, I, I have been adopted by a family of the Hickorilla Apache tribe in northern New Mexico. They call me Da Ron, which is Uncle Ron. Yeah. And they are family to me. And I'm family to them. And I just got to see them a couple of weeks ago.

And it was wonderful. Every time I go there, it's like a family reunion. And so I say this with the utmost respect for all Native American tribes. And not all Native American tribes considered Bigfoot as a, you know, as their friend. Yeah. Absolutely annoys me when I, when I, when I. Here are these people who, why can't we be just like the Native Americans and be friends with these creatures? Because not all Native Americans considered these as a good thing.

Yeah. You know, a lot of them considered them to be the boogie, man, that they told to the kids to keep them behave and not wandering into the night. Yeah. You know? Exactly what I'm referencing, by the way. Exactly what he just said. And, but, but, but. And by the way, Ron.

To that point, to that point, I wanted to mention, yes, there were tribes that used to say, do not let your kids go away. Because I believe there were kids snatched back in a day from Indian tribes that they had no idea where these things went. Yes. Yeah. So go ahead. Sorry. But here, but as far as the spiritual blame, you got to remember a lot of Native American tribes consider all certain animals as a spirit as a spirit guide or a. a vein of the spirit, you know?

I mean, they consider the buffalo and the bald eagle and the wolf and the, I mean, with the, with the hickoryl Apaches, you don't wear sound or, you don't wear anything or or even referred to any veins of the owls because they considered that a bad omen, a harbinger of death. Yeah. Right? So, you know, you, uh, so to, for them to get, for them to, consider Bigfoot, probably one of the most elusive creatures that they ever dealt with,

as the vein of spirit, sure, just like they do, the buffalo, the wolf, and the eagle, and what have you. That's a good answer. And, you know, I'm not belittling their thought. I'm just got to stick to my way of thinking. Until I'm proven otherwise, they are a flesh and animal, I mean flesh and blood primate. unrecognized, not undiscovered, but unrecognized by the American scientific community. Yeah, I think you make a good point there. I think that was so Ron, beside the encounter you had as a teenager, what is the second most, like, believable encounter that you've had?

And to Sherry's point, I want to mention this. Anyone that wants to go in detail with Ron's encounter, I don't know if we've had that. Listen, just go back to a big foot episode. the night. Yeah. Just go back to our Bigfoot original Bigfoot episodes. Yeah, Ron will tell you his whole encounter when he was a teenager. But what would be a second one?

What is something else besides your original encounter, which people can go back and listen to our Bigfoot episode, just go find it? What would be another example of Sherison? Well, recently, about two, three, yeah, three years ago, it was on an expedition in Missouri. We went down this road in an area that I don't know, but I suspect has a population there, a possible family pod, if you will. And we went down this old road, what I call workman's camp road, because it's narrow what used to be an old Roosevelt era, breakland Roosevelt you know

post depression air work camp you know where they you know hired people to build dams and roads and stuff you know

and anyway and they actually had a work camp built there and of course everything there's gone except that you know there's a little plaques

and hey there's workman's camp we want walking up that road one night and I led a crew about eight to nine people and then from there we went off on this old logger's road which I called scary road

and a lot of people that's been on the expeditions with me know exactly where this is we went over there and it was a beautiful Saturday night the moon was not full

but it was probably enough for you could be able to, you know, see the moonlight through the canopy of the trees. And during October, that ain't so hard, especially when the leaves are starting to fall. We went about, oh, we went about a mile into the woods off of this old logger's road. And we went over to an area that was a clearing, and I said, hey, let's sort of, you know, let's sort of take a stop and everybody sat down. and listen to what the woods have to say, right? So we all sat down and we listened for a while,

and we were hearing wood knocks and distant what could have been vocalization and stuff. And I was on the radio with the people of the other groups that was like still on workman's camp road. And we're the people that stayed behind to watch our vehicles and stuff. and they and verify if they were the ones did the wood boxes of stuff and they weren't okay

so we were sitting there and no one had lights on and we're in this clearing and surrounding this clearing was a dirt berm almost like someone went in there with a with a bulldozer and pushed up, you know, piles of dirt into almost like a fence, if you will, with just, you know, dirt and brush.

And about, you know, two, three feet high. Anyway, we're sitting there. And one of the guys came up to me, his name was Charles. He goes, hey, Ron, who's that? sitting behind that bush over there. Oh, I said, well, that's Sam, this young girl that was with our group. And Sam's dad came over and said, excuse me. I said, isn't that Sam over there sitting behind that bush over there?

No, Sam's over there on that log. Sure enough, turn around. There she was. Wow. We all looked at each other. and then almost comically, we took one step, all three of us simultaneously, took one step forward to whether it's this bush.

Whatever was behind that bush, exploded out behind that bush. And we couldn't bend more than 10, 15 feet away. Exploded behind that bush. Never stood straight up. But with a barrel roll, rolled over that berm and took off running into the, of the woods.

And the moon was bright enough where you could you could see the fur on it glistening in the moonlight and just took off running. Well, at that time, then all hell broke loose. We were hearing tree snaps. We were hearing stuff being thrown. Some even said they could have swore they heard

it, you know, thereby. And it wasn't in one. location it was you know one on one three o'clock one 12 o'clock and one nine o'clock around us right oh that's kind of scary yeah just kept on and this went on for a good two three minutes and all everybody was there was like you know they're over there here there you know and a lot of them were new to this was their first expedition and being that i was a leader I had to think of their safety first. It wasn't that I was scared that something was going to come in and attack,

but I was afraid that someone was going to flip out and take off running into the woods. So I said, okay, folks, I think they're letting us know that it's time to leak. So single file, we took off, we went walking back to the dirt road, the main dirt road, Forkman's Camp Road. Me and Charles, we took the back. You know, I just wanted to make sure that, you know, no one got left behind. So I carried, I took the rear and walking back. Every once in a while, I would, I would tilt, I would grab Charles' arm and make him stop walking.

We stopped. And sure enough, something out there in the woods to our right went, boom, pump. So it's like they were following you. Yes, we were being paralyzed. We were being paralleled. So, how big was, by the way,

how big was this, the original thing that you saw behind the bush? They come out of the brush. It couldn't, I believe it was a juvenile because I don't think it was more than five, six feet.

Okay. You had to remember, I thought this was a young girl. I'm a teenage girl. So anyway, but it was covered in fur when it jumped out from behind that bush. So anyway,

so we finally made it to, to the road, everybody made it back to where the cars. One of the individuals was standing there as Charles and I was walking out, and we were the last ones, and he had a thermal focus on us and whatever was behind us. And as we were coming up, he goes, hey, who's that behind y'all? And I said, no one, we're the last ones. Well, someone's back there where y'all came out, and it's staying there, and he goes, and it's big

and at that point he goes and there it goes and it ran back into the woods see and even stories like that Ron is where I is where I kind of is where I have to go the trans

well not trans but transdimensional interdimensional thing because I mean I understand I understand most of everything you said appears physical but also when you when you see things that

you know you guys are walking up and then thermals and then showing a creature that just happened to be there, which don't get me wrong. I mean, it could have been there and alluding itself, though, John. Bears can do that. You know, there's mountain lions have elusiveness. I mean, but I don't know.

I've seen elk. Full grown elk. I'm talking horses with antlers. Run into brush. All they did is rear their head back with their antlers behind them and go into brush and disappear into trees.

Yeah, that's true. You know. And this thing, you know, you know, standing there looking at us, it came walking out after we got out. It watched us for a while and then it walked back into the woods. I mean, now, if it was standing there,

you know, full thermal and standing there, watching it all of a sudden, you know, beam me up, Scotty, it disappears. Then I would, I would explore your argument a little further. But that wasn't the case. It ran back into the woods. And plus, you've told us in previous podcasts that they have a distinctive smell. And I don't think that would be interdimensional if it has a distinctive smell.

All I'm saying is that if these things are interdimensional, spiritual, you know, there's been too many reports of elderly squatches. people ask me, you know, do I think that these things are smarter than us? Survival tactics, I'm sure, but the vein is we got a better dental plan. I mean, you know, they're just family pods that are out there. And yeah, the older ones, just like certain primates, they get old, cataracts, their teeth are, you know, their teeth are falling out or decaying. You know, it's just age. Yeah. Makes sense.

I want to ask you another question. I know we're kind of getting over what we say we're going to go over. But you've been leading all these expeditions. If somebody or a listener wanted to go on an expedition that's similar, of course, you know, I don't think everyone can go with you that's listening to us. But. Well, I want to be there. So we would have to go on one too. We'd have to head that up.

Yes. But how would one go on an expedition if they wanted to look for? Bigfoot with somebody like you. Well, there's no one like me. But anyway, no, you go to BFRO.net. And it will have a list of expeditions in different states at different times of the year. Okay. And you can submit your request to attend one.

And yes, there will be a request for a fee or no. nation or whatever you want to call it. For the simple fact of it is, it ain't cheap to run these, to get these expeditions put together. I know. How long do they usually last? And I mentioned it, it's not cheap to keep a website going anymore. Oh, I know.

You know, back in the day, a website was dime a dozen. Now, you know, you've got to practically have corporate backing. Yeah. Well, and by the way, so maybe what we need to do is if we ever, plan this. Yeah, we need to plan an expedition with... With BFRO and Ron and kind of coordinate all that with our listeners. I mean, we can't obviously do all of our listeners, but I mean, you know, if we could do certain

little things, that'd be cool. And Ron can, you know... Because it sounds like you've been pretty much all over North Carolina, North America. I've been close to South Carolina. I mean, I was on the Rocky Mountains out, I was out there on Eastern, not the Rocky Mountains. You have not been closed, yeah,

I remember because I saw your pictures when you were at the Appalachian. The Appalachian Mountains, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I was looking down and I'm saying, you know, what is that? Flatlands. Yeah, well, what's all those lights coming from that little town?

And they said it was like Robin South Carolina or something like that. You know, and I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah. That's how close we were. Well, that's cool, Ron. Well, listen. sorry baby you have another question

I had one more question and I forgot now darn it okay I'm holding it in my mind darn it so I think wait wait she's going to like oh wait yeah yeah exactly she'll probably say it in the intro which we're going to do the intro after this which is weird but always like to know what the how the episode goes

before we do the intro so we can kind of tell people how the podcast is going to go and by the way Ron I think this podcast has been our best podcast on Bigfoot ever because I think we've had comic comical stuff which people are entertained by and I also think there's been some seriousness. I mean, you have to have both because there are both factions of people that a large faction of people don't believe. Some factions that people do, we don't know all the answers, but I know that you believe. I know that when you have a personal experience or multiple personal experiences like many people have like you. And also the same experiences a lot of people are having with UFOs and

UAPs right now. They're all about the same, Sherry. I think you remember. I remember my question. Ron, I just wanted... I just wanted you to quickly tell, or whatever, how long you have. Kind of tell the listeners

about your Bigfoot experience as far as being on TV and leading that whole show or whatever. Well, he wasn't on TV, but he... I wasn't on TV. I was one of the witnesses, if you will. Yeah. On Finding Bigfoot, yeah.

And we went over the, you know, my first experience in that. And they, they reproduce that experience, you know, I find it interesting, the people that they found to be me back in when I was in the 20s. But that's okay. So they reenacted your experience when you were in your days. And Ron, to that question, what do you feel about those, sorry, I'm sorry. You're interrupting chicken. Sure, sure, sure. Sorry, my bad.

What do you feel about those shows that depict Bigfoot, finding Bigfoot, all this stuff? Is that, is that hindering the Bigfoot investigations or is that helping? I think once the actual investigators, you know, Matt, once Matt and and Cliff and Renee and Bobo, you know, took a little bit more control of how that show was going to be done. I think once that,

I think once that was done, they did a pretty good job. I mean, representing the possibility that these things are, you know, are out there. Yeah. You know, because they, they did more than just, you know, do the scary stories. But, you know, they also discuss about the ecological, the aspect, you know, the behavior aspects.

And, you know, and broke down the sightings and, you know, whether or not it was humanly physical for, a big guy like Boba, which, by the way, I'm bigger than him, was able to cross the road, you know, was able to cross the road with so, you know, in so many steps. Yeah. You know, I mean, you know, say what you will about fighting Bigfoot, which, by the way, some would even, would even say that, you know, the very title was not,

the appropriate title for that show. But the thing is, we I see it, it wasn't about the cast and crew finding Bigfoot. It was about the audience, finding out that, you know,

that there was the possibility of Bigfoot and out there. Yeah, for sure. Now there's other shows that I'm like, you know, like Mountain Monsters, totally scripted. you know i watched one show and when you know they all jumped in an avv oh let's go come come on guys let's go

let's go let's go and let's go and with one guy's like lizard licked towing yeah and when i mean you know i didn't know if they were going to look for bigfoot or go noodling for catfish but one guy actually jumped on there and good it went jabidabadoo and i said you know what that's it i'm done but i mean seriously even the way we read the New York Post article. It's like, it's the same shit. It's like, why, like, are you guys creating random weird words that, like, you just think people are just like, oh, my God, this is real. He said, yeah, but, yeah. I mean, they were using the same script from a old Batman show. Oh, you know, wait, true believers, you know, well, the dynamic deal finally meet their

decisively end, you know, like, you know, legendary lummix. Come on. Oh, my God, Ron. All right, one more. Ron, by the way, you're going to be our uncle. You're going to be our uncle, too. Yeah, now you're our uncle, too. Oh, now I'm the Ron to you, right? You're Uncle Ron.

Your Uncle Ron, your Investigator Earth podcast, Uncle Ron. I got one more serious question I want to ask, and I'm really serious about it. Like, how many expeditions do you do a year? Or do you, is it just, like, random, or do you, are you really serious about doing these things? Currently, I am taking a sabbatical from leading expeditions. I'm going to win other people. I'll show up and I'll be a part of it like I was at in New Mexico, but it's not going to be my rodeo. And how many days do you guys go when you do this?

Usually it starts on Thursday and ends on Sunday. Now, what does everybody just bring their own camp, like their tents and they're camping? food and you know. Each person, yeah, each person is, is responsible for their own shelter, you know, and food and stuff. Although when I was on there, it was, I never let anybody go hungry. I was known to cook. Yeah.

Yeah. And my cooking is legendary. Oh, my gosh. Now we definitely have to go on it. Oh, I can make you a good, I can make you a pot of gumbo that make your mouth while I guarantee. Oh my gosh, I'm excited now. This is not Uncle Tom.

This is Uncle Ron. Oh, well, we'll not go there too. But anyway. All right, Ron, listen, we're going to end that because, listen, I think it's been a great episode. And there's so much we can talk about. And we'll bring you back on. Yeah, and we're going to do this. We're going to get Ron to lead something for us.

That would be so much fun. Yeah, I mean, love it. Which I've always been to have an high here. Well, all the say is is get your ass out here to the old sharks. Oh, we'll do it. I'll take you through the woods. Yeah. We'll absolutely do it.

Even if it's just the three of us, I'll take you somewhere and have some fun. Yeah, we'll do, we'll video at least. But if some people want to go and are really highly interested, let us know. You can reach out to us investigator podcast

at Protonmel.com. Ron, thank you so much for coming on. We're going to do this. By the way, this outro of song. I don't know what song we're actually. But before we do that, Ron, is there anywhere that people can go look you up if they want more information.

About me? FBI. If they want to know anything, if they want to follow you or, you know. America's Most Wanted. Just, you know what? Just look up Ron Bowles, B-O-L-E-S.

And put the equal mark and then Bigfoot. And I'll show up. Having a couple of your podcasts, we'll even show up on there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. All right. Awesome.

Well, Ron, thank you so much. How the hell does it? you guys find me, you know. I found you on Facebook. Sherry actually found you. Sherry didn't find you. And by the way, I'm glad she found you. Yeah, and I got to tell you Ron a funny story.

And Chad probably doesn't not want me to tell the story, but I got to tell you this real quick. The first podcast we ever had with you, we were pretty new at doing podcasts and we had this thing where we had to hold the phone literally to the microphone. But don't say the actual word. Okay. But when you told us that you were part of that finding Bigfoot. That whole thing.

Yeah. And then so I, so you know me, you'll be finish this? Yes. So I thought I muted you on the podcast. Oh, no, you did not. No, but listen. But I wasn't saying anything bad. I was literally saying I was like, this motherfucker is a part of finding Bigfoot.

And then so Ron, and I did actually say it, but. Yeah, but I tried to lie about it. So then Ron messages Sherry after Vagic. He's like, did your husband call me a motherfucker? I did. I'm like, excuse me? No, but that's not what I was saying. I was literally saying.

We're like, holy crap. We got this guy on our podcast. Yeah, it was cool. So, Ron, I just want to know. I just want to say, yeah, I was not being mean. Yeah, and we still kid about that. We do. We were contacting you today.

Yeah, we actually did. He's like, is motherfucking wrong? Nicole? Well, if you ever meet me, then it's going to go from MF to BMS.MF. B.M.F. Yeah. Well, Ron sure is a big mother. Yeah, exactly.

I already knew where you were going on that. is so funny. No, Ron, we love you. Like, your Uncle Ron in the podcast now, and we're going to have you back on. And listen, I thought this was so funny, but also informative. Believe it on.

You know, being funny and informative. Yeah, I mean, you know, you can, I can get on there and monotone and talk to you about, you know, about the Bigfoot and what I believe you're in. And about 30 seconds later, you'll be hearing something from

your side going well can you just give us one more like Bigfoot like your best Bigfoot roar God well he's on a fall in this so it's probably going to cut him out like Bigfoot does not have Verizon okay in the freaking woods all right go ahead Ron if you want to do it give your favorite one

do it again I didn't hear it oh God that's pretty good even though he's cutting out Yeah, that was a good one. It was good. Go Ron. I'm sorry, but that will blow out the speakers. That was good, Ron.

I got to say. And listen, by the way, for this podcast, when we're talking about Bigfoot, I have no idea what the song we're ending with this. So I apologize now. But this is Lost in the Woods is the name of it. I sluged it because it said Lost in the Woods, and it literally probably has zero to do with anything that relates to this. Well, I can give you a, I can give you a suggestion.

What's that? Well, a long time ago, I was sitting around the campfire with my Apache family, and they asked me if I'm needing, you know, Native American songs. And I said, honestly, I said, the only Native American song I know is by Red Bone, come get your love. Oh, good. Well, I can't. Well, we would play that if we could just randomly do it, just off the top of her. But, you know what I might do? Okay, send me that in message.

We'll do it on the intro. On the intro. Yeah. We'll do it on intro. So, yeah. Ron, thank you so much for coming on. Thanks, Ron.

And people look him up, man. I think this has been a great podcast. We've been talking about a lot of heavy stuff. Yeah, this is so good just to like kind of laugh and have fun and really get some information out there. But also talk about some serious stuff. Yeah, get real information out there. Yeah, for sure.

Ron, thank you so much. All right. You're obviously. I want to say one thing before we go. Go ahead. A lot of people ask me, Ron, are you just doing this for the fame? I tell you what. I will give, I mean, I would rather take one ounce of respect for my integrity than a ton of fame or glamour any day.

My salvation does not rest on whether or not you believe me or you think that I'm being sincere or I'm being some goofball. I really don't care. The only satisfaction I get when I take people out there in the woods is my ability to teach them that there is something more out there in the forest than just the trees. Okay. That's a good point. And I believe that. I believe, number one, I believe 100% you believe. And I, I mean, I'm coming around.

Well, I think Ron knows because I really believe, I mean, I. It's hard not to believe what happened to him when he was in his 20s. Yeah, but even that. Everything is so real and he remembers it like it was yesterday. Yeah, the thing that makes me believe more in Bigfoot than anything is the UFO phenomenon. And whether or not Bigfoot believers believe in UFOs or not or UAPs or whatever, I think it at the very least gives us a reality check of what we know and don't know. And I think that's the best.

biggest thing. And so when I look at the Bigfoot topic, I think it's very arrogant of mankind to think that we know everything that there's to be known today. You're right. You're 100% right. Well, Ron, thank you so much for coming on. It's been an amazing podcast. Thank you for letting us

unleash and be happy and laugh. And also, we just enjoyed your company. And I think everyone this listen is going to enjoy your company as much as we did. And, you know, oftentimes, like I said, on this podcast, we talk about very heavy depressing stuff. And I'm glad that we have someone that is awesome as you, Ron, to come on and talk.

And I think you probably... Uncle Ron. Yeah, I think you probably lit a lot of people's days up from just whatever. And also... Yeah, not bad for being a motherfucker. Yeah, sorry. But you are a motherfucker. I mean, I'm sorry.

This is Ron motherfucking bowls, okay? So, by the way, you need to change your... Yeah, Ron, motherfucking bowls. Anyways. Oh, my God. But I do remember that. And we've always joked about us. Like, I wonder if Ron actually.

Yeah. And I wanted to tell Ron. And Chas like, don't say anything. I'm sorry. But it was not in any mean way. I was, I was literally just saying it like I was saying like,

this motherfucker or anyways. Whatever. All right. All right, Ron. Thanks so much for coming on. Oh, we love you. And we're going to be talking to you very soon. And until next time, guys,

we love you. Peace out. Ron, tell everybody bye. All right. Bye. See you later, guys. guys peace out