Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Bondi Beach Australia Terror Attack | Official Story vs Unanswered Questions

Episode Date: December 15, 2025

In this episode, we break down the terror attack at Bondi Beach, which occurred during a public Hanukkah celebration, by separating what authorities have confirmed from the questions that still remain. We walk through the known timeline, the official explanation, and the immediate response from law enforcement and government officials, while also examining gaps, inconsistencies, and details that are being debated online and in independent media. As with any major breaking event, early narratives move fast, especially when an attack targets a religious gathering, and not all facts emerge at once. We take a careful look at security decisions, media framing, and the broader context surrounding the attack without jumping to conclusions or pushing an agenda. The goal is simple, understand what actually happened, what is verified, and what deserves further scrutiny as more information comes out.Visit our merchandise store

about me one more time before. I've been feeling this way for far too long. Hello and welcome to Investigator's podcast. I'm your host shot alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're talking about the terrorist attack that unfolded earlier today at Bondi Beach in Sydney. Authorities have confirmed multiple fatalities, injuries, after an attacker carried out a violent assault in a crowded public area.

One suspect is deceased, another is in custody, and police are continuing to investigate the motive. timeline and whether there were warning signs or security failures leading up to the attack. As details continue to emerge, we're going to stick to what has been officially confirmed and clearly separate facts and speculation, but we will definitely get into the speculation. At the same time, whenever there is something like this that happens, questions follow. People are already asking how was it carried out whether intelligence agencies missed anything or maybe even knew anything ahead of the actual attack and how quickly authorities responded.

Guys, welcome to the show. It is December the 14th, 2025. The name of this song is Sorry by Alex Keem. And obviously, a lot of you guys have been reaching out to us over the past 24 hours, wanting to know what our thoughts were on this terror attack that happened in Sydney, Australia at Bondi Beach. Obviously, a very, very popular beach destination in Australia. There is speculation running wild all across social media. You have X, you have Facebook, you have Instagram.

and there is yet again a big divide. You have people on the right or I guess you can say the right that is definitely saying, hey, look, we got to stop anti-Semitism. This is wrong. You have BB Netanyahu with Israel coming out and saying, I've warned Australia long before this happened. And yet they continue to do nothing about it. And now he is pushing Western countries to step up and do anything you can to stop

anti-Semitism. But does that mean censoring free speech in America? And when does that cross the line if you were a foreign nation such as Israel? And we're going to talk about all this. And then obviously on social media on X, you have all these people that are saying, hey, look, this was a false flag. Candice Owens actually, I think it was about two months ago, said, I just think that something likely is going to happen to where it's going to be a false flag.

There's going to be something happened to Jews or Jewish people or Israel. And then they're going to pivot and blame that on someone. whether it's Iran, whether it is Muslims. And it's like after this attack, and this has kind of been leading up to this already, post 9-11. We all remember 9-11 when we were shaken by what happened over 3,000 innocent American lives were killed that day. And it was like for a year after that, it was okay to kind of hate Muslims, it seemed like.

It was like that was the cool thing to do. That was what you were supposed to do after 9-11. And it seems like we're getting back in that same thing. It's like, you know, it's like you're either. pro-Israel or you're anti-Muslim. And I think that's where the divide we're going to talk about. And then also, like, was this a false flag? Why didn't Israel know about it?

But apparently Israel may have actually had some clues leading into the attack that they say they warned Australia. And so I'm going to be curious to see what Australia actually says about that, whether Israel did warn them. And Israel says, well, they ignored us when we tried to tell them this. So we're going to look at it on both sides, guys. We're not necessarily on either side of this. But obviously, there are a lot of people that are saying,

and hey, this was a false flag, including us. I think it was two episodes. There was a couple of people I think I had posted on X. And they said, just so you know, guys, you actually called it on two episodes. There was a couple of people that said, I remember specifically when you said because of all the criticism of Israel that something that something that's going to happen. The next plausible thing that's going to happen is either against Israel or against Jewish people. And then they're going to go full force on something. And then today, this is before I knew anything about it this morning.

I first thing I thought I think I told you Sherry when we were barely waking up I said hey did you see the terrorist attack that happened and I said let me guess they're going to blame it on Iran and then I see a news article today from Telegram that says potential Iran links in this terror attack oh of course but what was crazy to me is that this happened in Australia and never in my dreams would I even imagine you know 8% of the population is Jewish and the world. world population, only 8%. Yeah. And I would not think in Australia, there would be even that many Jewish people.

That was number one to me. I thought it was very odd that this attack happened in Australia with and to Jewish people. Yeah. Well, it's not even that, too. We also have to talk about gun control. So one of the craziest post I saw today on social media was from someone. I actually re-shared it. And I said, this is the moronic post.

of the day award. And this guy says gun control works. If that were an AR with a bump stock, it would have been much worse. Remember the Vegas shooting, he says. But you have to understand that these guys had a weapon. It was a bold action rifle. I've been reviewing the videos. And if you guys, you can go on our social media, Facebook, X, or Instagram,

you can see how well trained this dude was. Yeah. And where did he get the weapons? Because I thought Australia doesn't have weapons. Well, they do. Where did they get the weapons? So that's a common misconception. Australia actually does still have weapons, but it is a very lengthy process from what I have heard to get a weapon.

So you have to get an actual license to carry a weapon. And it's pretty stringent, right? So they don't just give anybody this license. It's not like you can go to the store and buy a weapon like you can't here in America. But in Australia, it is definitely heavily restricted. And obviously these two guys, from what we're hearing so far, we think this was a father. son duo, we at least know that the father was carrying a license or at least had a license for the weapons that he actually had or potentially used in the attack.

And so I want to go ahead and let you guys know what the details of this attack was. So there was a mass shooting obviously that occurred on Sunday evening, December to 14th at Bondi Beach in Sydney, Australia. This happened about 645. The attack took place during Hanukkah celebration called Chonika by the sea, which is a Jewish community event with hundreds of people that were gathering. The North South Wales police and Australian government have officially declared the incident a terror attack with a clear anti-Semitic motive.

At least 16 people were killed in the shooting, including a 10-year-old girl with dozens more wounded. The total death toll was widely reported as 16, which includes one of the gunmen, and at least 40 to 43 people were injured and hospitalized, including several critically and at least two police officers. victims span a wide age range around 10 to 87. So it went from 10 years old to 87 years old in this attack. Two gunmen opened fire at the crowd, a 50-year-old father, and his 24-year-old son identified by authorities.

The father was killed at the scene by police, while his son was wounded and taken into custody in critical condition. Now, the attack is believed to have been deliberately targeted against the Jewish community on the first night of Hanukkah, and officials characterize it as driven by anti-Semitism and terrorism. So before we get any deeper in this, I want to go ahead and go to one of the clips from CNN, and this is some of the latest reportings and the latest press conference that we heard from authorities in Australia. So yesterday was an act of pure evil, an act of anti-Semitism, an act of terrorism on our shores in an iconic Australian location, Bondi Beach, that is associated with joy, associated with families, gathering, associated with celebrations, and it is forever tarnished by what has occurred last evening.

This was an attack deliberately targeted at the Jewish community on the first day of Hanukkah, which of course should be a joyous celebration, and the Jewish community are hurting today. Today, all Australians wrap our arms around them and say we stand with you. We will do whatever is necessary to stamp out anti-Semitism. It is a scourge and we will eradicate it together. The Australian Federal Police and Asia are working closely with New South Wales authorities and the briefing we've just had. We have had the AFP there and the AFP Commissioner will return to Australia today.

We will dedicate every single resource that is required in responding to this. To the brave responders, first responders, including ordinary citizens who acted yesterday, thank you for what you do, people rushing towards danger to show the best of the Australian character. That's who we are, people who stand up for our values. flags will fly at half-mast across the country today as we pay our respects to all those lost and all those who have been injured and we conclude by saying that yesterday was indeed a dark day

in our nation's history but we as a nation are stronger than the cowards who did this I thank world leaders who have reached out from President Macron, Prime Minister Stama, others right around the world have reached out to Australia at this time. And we thank you for your sympathy and your solidarity with our values. Australia will never submit to division, violence or hatred. And we will come through this together. We refuse to let them divide us as a nation.

I'll hand to Commissioner Lanyon now. Thank you, Prime Minister. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Last night I announced that I had determined that it was a terrorist activity and made a declaration as such as 9.36pm. As a result of that declaration, we commenced Operation Arks, Arqueu-E-S, which is a joint counter-terrorism operation. That is New South Wales Police working very closely with our Commonwealth partners

to ensure that we thoroughly investigate the circumstances of the incident, yesterday. We have progressed at pace overnight with that investigation and as a result of investigations undertaken, I can say that we are not looking for a further offender. We are satisfied that there were two offenders involved in yesterday's incident. One is deceased. The second is in critical but stable condition in hospital at the moment. The offenders are a 50-year-old and 24-year-old male who are father and son. The 50-year-old is deceased. The 24-year-old is currently in hospital at the moment.

As part of the investigation, we conducted two search warrants last night, one at Bonnie Rig and a second at Kempsey. The 50-year-old male is a licensed firearms holder. He has six firearms licensed to him. We are satisfied that we have six firearms from the scene yesterday, but also as a result of the search run at the Campsie address, ballistics and forensic investigation will determine this morning that those six firearms are the six that were licensed to that man,

but also that they were used in the offence yesterday at Bondi. We will continue to investigate this matter thoroughly. It's important for the community to have the reassurance that New South Wales Police working with our Commonwealth partners will not stop until we understand the reasons behind this senseless incident. All right, so that is the official. report that is the update that they came out with just a few hours ago. What I want to say, too, obviously, is that we have talked on this podcast and men critical

of Israel, especially with the response in Gaza, where there have been a lot of civilians that have died in retaliation for October 7th. October 7th was horrific, obviously in Israel. I mean, when you have 1,200 of your own citizens killed. at the hands of Hamas, at the hands of the people or the faction of government that they call government basically terrorist in Palestine, then yeah, you're going to get a response. And the unfortunate thing about that whole situation is, you know, I had shared a video on our X the other day that showed these kids in rubble and there was probably seven or

of them. And they were swinging on a downed beam. And everything around and behind them was complete rubble. So these kids are never going to know normal life probably ever again until they get out of Gaza, until they get out of the region. And these kids are actually very lucky because these were some of the kids that are alive. And I guess I say lucky, but they're also struggling. They're starving. A lot of the people in Gaza are starving. But that also does not mean that what happened today is not valid. And I want to make that very clear. I think that when you, no matter what your reasoning is, that you go and kill innocent people,

like these two gentlemen did, a father and a son duo, they're calling Muslim or Muslim brotherhood or whatever. We don't know 100% what the religious ideologies are or backgrounds. But that's horrific. You should never kill innocent people. You know, one of the big things about the United States of America, they have the Geneva Convention. They have all of these laws in place that when we go to war, we're supposed to do any and everything possible to defend civilian and innocent life. And there's reasons why we have those laws.

There's a reason why we have voted in our congressman, congresswoman or women, Senate, everybody, to make those laws to make sure that we protect human life. life around the world. And that's been also violated many times through Obama, under Obama, also obviously I believe maybe under Trump, under President Bush. This is what happens in war. And so when you criticize Israel with their response to Gaza, there are people who are like, well, war is dirty. War is bad. I mean, I don't know what to tell you. They shouldn't have attacked Israel. But, you know, you can't say that like, okay, well, 1,200 people died in Israel. So that, gives us the right to kill 70 or 80,000 innocent people in Gaza. Those people are still innocent people, no matter how you look at it, no matter how you splice it. And the exact same thing,

no matter what you think about the Jewish community or even Israel, and especially Israel, no matter what you think about Israel, there's no reason at all ever for violence. And even if you hated Jews or hated Muslims or whatever the case is, violence is never the answer because all it's going to do is replicate more violence. And so this big push, by Israel. Everything I've seen over the past 24 hours has been saying Benjamin Nanyahu came out and it said, we have to stop anti-Semitism. We have to get our Western partners in our Western countries to stamp out anti-Semitism at all cost. And it's almost like he's saying, anybody that criticizes us and anything we do or our involvement in American government,

you must censor and silence those people. We've been through that before. And I don't know if you guys remember. I mean, COVID has not been that long ago, but do you remember all the people that spoke out either against the vaccine or the way that the United States or other countries were, I guess, responding to COVID-19, the forceful vaccinations or you lose your job, all of this stuff. And anybody that spoke against that, we've had many of them on this show. We've had Dr. Peter McCullough. We've had Robert Malone. We've had a lot of those guys. they would call anyone that spoke out against the narrative dangerous rhetoric that's what they would say

they want to say anybody that speaks out and speaks against whatever the kind of thing is that everybody's talking about the narrative they want to say it's dangerous rhetoric and so we're hearing this again and and we heard it from b b natan yahoo and so before we get any further and share we're going to we're going to discuss it in just a moment but i do have a video of what benjamin natton yahoo posted today, and this is what he said after the terror attacks. And I think we got to play this because everybody's sharing it. Here's what Bibi Netanyahu said after the terror attacks day. Listen.

On August 17th, about four months ago, I sent Prime Minister Albanese of Australia a letter in which I gave him warning that the Australian government's policy was a, promoting and encouraging anti-Semitism in Australia. I wrote, Your call for a Palestinian state purges fuel on the anti-Semitic fire. It rewards Hamas terrorism. It emboldens those who menace Australian Jews

and encourages the Jew hatred now stalking your streets. Anti-Semitism is a cancer. It spreads when leaders stay silent. It retreats when leaders act. I call upon you to replace weakness with action, appeasement with resolve. Instead, Prime Minister, you replaced weakness with weakness and appeasement with more appeasement. Your government did nothing to stop the spread of anti-Semitism in Australia.

You did nothing to curb the cancer cells that were growing inside your country. You took no action. disease spread, and the result is the horrific attacks on Jews we saw today. We saw an action of a brave man. Turns out a Muslim brave man, and I salute him that stopped one of these terrorists from killing innocent Jews. But it requires the action of your government, which you're not taking, and you have to, because history will not forgive hesitation and weakness.

It will honor action and strength. That's what Israel expects of each of your governments in the West and elsewhere, because the disease spreads and it will consume you as well. But we are worrying right now about our people, our safety, and we do not remain silent. We fight those who try to annihilate us. They're not only trying to annihilate us. They attack us because they attack the West.

In Syria, we saw yesterday, two Americans, soldiers killed, and one American interpreter killed as well, killed because they represent our common culture. Now, as a result of this, Secretary of War Pete Hexert said the following. He said, let it be known that if you target Americans anywhere in the world, you will spend the rest of your brief, anxious life, knowing the United States will hunt you, find you, and ruthlessly kill you. We send our condolences to the people of America, and I want to say that our policy is exactly that policy.

That's why those who target Israelis, target our soldiers, try to kill them or try to hurt them and wound them, as happened in Gaza yesterday, we take action. They will spend the rest of their brief, anxious lives knowing that Israel will hunt them, find them, and ruthlessly dispose of them. That is American policy. This is Israel's policy.

It's our policy in Gaza, in Lebanon, anywhere around us. We do not sit by and let these killers kill us. All right. So there is B.B. Netton, Yahoo. Now, there's a lot to say about that. I mean, there's a lot to take that.

Actually, there was a hero in this terror attack. And this hero saw the, I think it was the father. He saw the father shooting people. this guy kind of dips down below two vehicles and he's just waiting for the moment that this guy turns in the right position that he can overtake him now he even also in mind this father that was shooting people well the guy that was the hero turns out to be Muslim the Muslim that was a hero in this particular case was about it looked like about the same age as the father was probably 50s maybe even early 60s this guy overtook the guy he got shot a thing of

couple of times in the arm. But what I want to make clear about this as well is that the same way that this Muslim that came to the rescue in a lot of ways and disarmed this, this father, he's a Muslim. Yeah. That doesn't mean he's a POS. It doesn't mean he's a terrorist. I think there's a huge difference when we talk about a religion and an extreme to a religion. What I'm saying is there are Muslims that are practicing Muslims.

that are some of our greatest friends. And we have gotten along great with them. They don't act like these ideology extremist Muslims that are out there. Yeah, like the Muslim Brotherhood. There are some people. And there are people that are Christians as well that are like that. They're extreme. These are the people that go after the abortion clinics or the people that want to kill other people based on their religions.

And we have to keep that clear, too, that there is a difference. between a religion and an extreme religion. Well, it's like, do you remember Westview Baptist Church? A Westview Baptist Church, they used to pick it in front of like, I don't know, LGBT places or anywhere that gay people were. And they were like, you're going to hell. And they had all these signs that just always said this 24-7. And it's like, is that really a way that you should be talking to other people as a Christian?

No, and especially as a Christian because you are taught to love one another and to even love people that are not the same religion as you, because that is what Jesus would want, is for you to somehow minister to these people so that they do become Christians, because that's what Christians want. That's their end peace or their end goal, is they want everyone to believe in Jesus so that they go to heaven. Yeah, you minister through action, right? And so the same way, I guess, that, you know, when we talk about Gaza or we talk about Palestine, You know, one of the things that BB says here, he says, you know, your call for a Palestinian state is part of this problem.

This is part of the reason why this terror attack happened today. Yeah. And I don't even understand why he's talking about. It's almost like he's putting Israel as the whole world. Yeah. This happened in Australia, not Israel. Yeah, but listen, here's the thing. When you are a mostly or primarily Jewish state of Israel, they believe that as all their people are,

kind of spread out around the world, they have control and they have the right to say things to all governments based on quote unquote their people, the Jews, right? So the same way that we talk about that there are extremes to religions, for example, I would say in a lot of ways that Israel government, in my opinion, is an extreme to the ruling, I guess they're a ruling body and maybe the extremist part of the body. of the Jewish people. I do not think that this government of Israel represents the Jewish people correctly. And I will say that.

Now, do I think the Hamas represents all of Palestine? No, I don't. And that's why I always try to differentiate Israel as the government, Israel as Bibi Netanyahu, the actions of the IDF and the government. Am I saying that the Jews went in and killed all the people in Gaza? No, because let me tell you, after that, Even knowing after October 7th, there were mass protests in the streets of Israel for quite some time. They didn't want you to see that on mainstream media.

They didn't want you to see it on CNN or anything else. I mean, CNN actually played some of it more than Fox News did, but Fox News is a lot more embedded with Israel and kind of the Jewish cause. But yes, after Israel went into Gaza, destroyed Gaza, killed potentially 100,000 lives. We don't know all of those which were Hamas, which was innocent. but there was a lot of innocent lives killed. You know, you didn't see that. You did not see the protest that was going on by the Jewish people in Israel. And I'm telling you right now, the problem is that somehow the conversation has to be separated from the Jewish people from Israel.

And that's what's so sticky is because Israel is a Jewish nation. It's intertwined with the religion. and how do you untwine a religion and a government? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, absolutely. Well, I mean, and that's the thing. Is Israel and the Jewish people are not the same.

I mean, Israel, the country and the people that live in the country, it's the exact same way that we have it here in the United States. Do we agree what our government does all the time? Absolutely not. I mean, at one point in time, we technically used to be a Christian nation. And I understand that there are people that are all up in arms about the Muslims that are coming into America. We see what's happening in the UK.

I understand that completely. It is completely different cultures, 100%. But then you see people like Jake Lang. Jake Lang was a January 6th prisoner. He, I think, was pardoned by Trump. He gets out of prison, you know, as a conservative Republican. He starts going on this kind of mission. We actually were going to have him on the podcast at one point in time.

But now he's just going, he's showing up anywhere Muslims are in America. he's going like on a city tour and he is bringing pigs and bacon and he's burning the and egging him on yeah he's burning the koran he's doing everything he possibly can and anything that he can take from any of the people that lash out against him for burning your body like for example if you're a christian even though i don't know a lot of christians are not going to do anything if you burn their bible they're just going to run um or whatever but what i'm saying is that muslims are not exactly that same way and muslims in a large part are very, very religious, just like, you know, Jews are in Israel.

And so when you continually stoke the fire and do whatever you can to get a reaction out of them, even though, and I've seen this for days and days, he'll do live streams for three or four days, eight hour days. And then the times that the Muslims do actually get fed up with his BS, he'll do anything to get a reaction. And once they finally get a reaction, they'll post these clips that go mega viral, they get a million plus views. And it makes them look like the ugly ones.

Yes. And he says, look how bad and ugly and horrible Muslims are. This is how the internet works. This is how media works nowadays. And we're actually sitting next to Sherry's mom right now. She's actually in the room with us because she's actually visiting us. Yeah, she's here from Chicago. If you want to say hello, mom, to the people.

And we're going to hopefully interview her, you know, in the next coming podcast. Because I would love for you guys to hear my mom's story because it's really cool. And the reason I'm saying this is because Sherry's mom, and we've actually mentioned you, Sal, on a lot of times. Everybody knows who Sally is. Yeah. Well, we've mentioned you a couple of times on the show. And the reason why we mention you is because one of the things I say is like, just like my mom, they all go and watch the nightly news. So like 6 p.m. 6.30, 7 p.m. You'll watch that news. And then that's your worldview. Like that that's what you see is happening actually in the world. But as things have changed now to where social media has.

has almost taken over mainstream media like CNN, Fox News, all this stuff. Social media is bigger. There are a bigger influence on social media. And so we actually start finding out the real news on social media. And what the older generation of people are still seeing is the stuff they want you to believe. Right. And so that's part of this podcast. I just, if you want to say, hey, Sal, just tell everyone hello.

You're from Chicago. I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but just say hey. Hey, everybody. It's so great to be here and they're so wonderful. I'm so proud of them. This is a really interesting subject. Yeah. Sherry was brought up half Jewish.

Yeah. Yeah. Her brother is Jewish. And I'm Christian and my husband was Jewish. Yeah. So it's difficult now. It is. It is very difficult for me to do these podcasts.

And there's so much out there, you know, this, you know, anti-hate, this hate, this mistrust in Israel, mistrust in Jewish people. And then, you know, going on the opposite end, you know, all these Christians being killed. And, you know, I grew up in a family that was half and half, you know, like my mom was saying, she was actually a Lutheran, right, mom? Yeah, she was a Lutheran. And my dad was Jewish. And my brother, as he grew up, he decided that he was going to go completely.

completely the Jewish faith. And I kind of went both for a while. When I moved to South Carolina, I became a Baptist. You believe it or not. And actually taught Sunday school and, you know, did the whole church thing. But as I've grown older, I think most of you know that I am against, and I call it man-made religion, because I believe that's what it is. I think it's a man-made religion.

And I think man-made religion is here to control us. just like governments here to control us. And I feel like, and I think my mom agrees because my mom is not really religious. We're both more spiritual. And we believe in our spiritual beliefs more than religious beliefs. And that's a good point to take because as we see what's going on in the world, even with Israel, with the Jewish nation, with Christians. I mean, think about the Charlie Kirk thing, for example. And you have Candice Owens, which is, you know, quote unquote, investigating, fighting, whatever she's doing, she's doing her thing.

and then she's calling out a lot of these pastors that are just completely shilling for especially Israel. Yeah. And it's so weird to see Christian pastors, like some of the biggest pastors in the United States of America, all they do right now, almost on an everyday basis, if you go to their social media accounts, they're shilling for Israel. They're posting pro-Israel post almost twice or three times a day. I don't know if they're getting that 7K, but who knows? Well, and too, I think it's because,

Turning Point USA is being funded by Israel. Let's just face it. This is the truth. And that's why they, and a lot of these churches are being funded. Yeah. You know, when you're funded by something,

you have to preach what you're funded by. Exactly. And that's why I think that sometimes when you see these mega pastors, and I'm not even saying necessarily Joel Osteen or any of this, but I've talked to Sherry and I've talked to some of the people on our telegram about, you know, there are certain pastors out there. And I remember this kind of coming along.

over the past three or four years, five years, six years, where I would see these pastors, they would get mega big on social media. They're even bigger now than ever before. And they were Christian pastors. And it's interesting, though, if you go look at those same people right now that have been built up over the past four or five, six years, like they are basically constant stream of pro-Israel. It's not even really about Christianity anymore.

It's not about the Bible. It's not about saving people. It's not about trying to tell people about Jesus. It's not about really saying like, hey, guys, you need to be saved by Jesus. Jesus is the literal reason for Christianity. It's just pro-Israel post 24-7. Well, let me ask you a question real quick. We have a very good friend, and a lot of you know our friend because she's been on our podcast many, many times.

Our friend, Bree, she is a genius to me when it comes into the Bible. She knows everything. She studies the Bible constantly. Why are there some Christians like that, Chad? and I'm asking you, that are completely pro-Israel, pro-Jewish when they're Christians. Yeah. Well, it's not about being pro-Jewish. I mean, it's about like if you're a Christian, you're pro-everybody.

And that's number one. And number two, as Christians, we are called to love everybody. We're called to walk in the footsteps of Jesus. That's literally what Christianity is about. Christianity is about not hate anybody. It's about loving everybody. it's about trying to tell as many people as you possibly can about Jesus. And so when it becomes, when Christianity, though, becomes more about supporting,

defending, and propping up Israel, the Jewish religion, which is, by the way, but Israel and the Jewish religion are two different things. Yeah, but still, Jewish people do not believe in Jesus. Exactly. Well, they do believe in Jesus. They just don't believe he's the Messiah. Exactly. But for Christians' religion, Jesus is everything.

I mean, literally everything. That is where Christianity came from. And I think that's why Brie is so steadfast on, you know, supporting Israel and even the Jewish beliefs in Jewish religion is because Jesus was a Jew. Yeah, but Jesus, yeah, but but also it's like, you know, you can't take all your time out of your day to support Israel and defend, and defend Israel and support Israel and do all these things. because I think, like, as the new podcast is coming out the first year, when we're going to talk about this debate and this argument and this discussion, which I've been studying pretty much nonstop for a good while, I think a lot of the stuff the Bible actually says has already happened. I think it's already, a lot of that stuff's already come to pass. The Israel that they talk about, I believe, is not necessarily Israel today. And I think the Bible, when it talks about the remnant of Israel, which is the people, which is the Jews that were going to come back to Jesus, that's the remnant. As you said, Jesus is a Jew, but Jesus is that Messiah.

He is the person that God sent down. And it's basically the Old Covenant and New Covenant. It's not a replacement theory. It's literally just what the Bible says. If you don't believe in the New Covenant versus Old Covenant, then you're not a Christian. And it's so funny when I see somebody of these Christians nowadays, it says, oh, that's replacement theology. No, it's just the Bible, like read it.

And so there's, it's been very interesting. I don't want to get in this Bible conversation. It's been very interesting as we've been, as I've been digging pretty deep in all this. And I think the biggest thing I've come away with is it's not about hating Jews. Like no one should hate Jews. No one should hate Christians or Muslims. Keep in mind.

And I feel like the rhetoric right now that's starting to ramp up is like, let's hate Muslims again because that's cool again. It's okay to do that now. And if you do a podcast that is anti-Muslim or whatever, you're going to be completely fine. But you really do got to worry. if you do a podcast criticizing Israel for sure. And that's the problem.

And so when I say that like we are in some ways going to fill the wrath of this terror attack in Australia, number one, for Australian listeners, there's been a lot of you guys reach out and said, you wanted to hear our opinions. I want to tell you, number one, you do have certain rights as people that can own guns in Australia. That's about to be taken away. I hate to say it, anybody right now that has a license to carry a firearm, likely that's going to be gone not that long from now. Whenever you're next. Because of this situation. Because of the shooting. It literally goes back to the Christchurch shooting in New Zealand.

I think that was a Muslim that also shot up the Christchurch or whatever. That's how New Zealand lost their guns. And Australia is about to do the same thing. And regardless of whether this is a false flag or whether like, you know, these two men were somehow, you know, contacted. by whoever, Mossad, CIA, whatever, doesn't matter. What does matter, though, is that they're going to use this to take away any guns you may have left. And the other part of this is that Australia has some of the strictest gun laws in the entire

world. I mean, as I've already said before, you have to go through a lengthy process to get a license to carry a firearm. And the one thing that all of the Democrats, especially in the United States, that has been against gun ownership, the Second Amendment in the United States, is they say, well, if we just take away the guns or we do a mandatory buyback of weapons, we're not going to have any problems. The problem is you can't take away the guns from the criminals. Yeah, the bad people.

Because they already have illegal weapons. Exactly. They don't care if they go register their gun. They don't want their gun registered. No. No, they don't want their gun. And most all of those guns, like in Chicago, for example, in all these inner cities, these guns are not, they're not legal.

A lot of them are ghost guns. And even those, a lot of them are also stolen. Well, and too, like Luigi, I don't want to say his last name on. I think he made his gun. Yeah, he made it from a 3D printer. Yeah. He made his own gun. Yeah, it's a ghost gun.

And so you're going to always have that. So if you start taking away guns from law Biden citizens, then all you're going to be left with are the criminals that are going to be even worse predators on the law of Biden citizens because they know. that now you gave up your guns to the government and they still have their illegal firearms. And so they're just going to come and raid your house and kill you because they know for sure you don't have a gun anymore. And so where are they going to go?

They're going to go to the rich neighborhoods and the people that have money are going to literally just whenever there's that buyback, they're going to go take all their guns and they're going to say, here's my guns. I give up all my guns to you, government. Now you should protect me, right? Because we believe that the government protects us at all costs. but the reality is the Second Amendment, for example, the main reason the Second Amendment was created was to fight against tyranny in the event that the government ever became too powerful or too tyrannical where they wanted to enslave their people. That's why the Second Amendment was created.

Well, I just want to ask my mom. She is from Illinois and she lives in a Democrat state. And I just want to know what her feelings are on gun rights. Do you believe people should have guns? why or why not, what are your beliefs? I think that's a good question. I don't know. I think you should have a right to protect yourself.

As I remember when we lived in Denver, Sherry, two people entered through our garage, which I had left open. They went right in. I was downstairs on the couch. and they robbed us. They took my purse. They took all my husband's briefcase and all of his money. And he had two guns right next to his bed.

If you would have gotten up, he would have killed them. And would that have been right? Well, in today's world, Sal, he would have been in prison probably, especially in Colorado. Was this in Colorado? Yes. Yeah. So in Colorado now, I mean, even if someone comes in with a gun and you kill them, you're probably going to be the one that goes to jail, unfortunately.

But that's because it's a Democrat state. Now, if you're in a Republican state, you have a lot more freedom to defend yourself than you do in a Democrat state. So, and trust me, we've had so many people recently be like, are you become a Democrat because you don't, you know, you question things that Trump does or you, all we try to do on this podcast is get to the truth. No matter who's in the office, it doesn't matter. You got to call out the BS as it is, you know, as it plays out.

So, okay, so then I want to get to this next clip. On Fox News today, after the terror attacks, they had this ex-special forces or ex-spec from the IDF, the Israeli military force on their show. This is as they're talking about what happened in Australia. So I want to play this. Just let you guys hear it. And then we will break it down as we both or all listen. I believe we're getting word right now that.

Sky News in Australia is covering this live. We may have some updates. Let's listen in for just a moment of how this is playing out. I've spent so much time in recent years. I bring my kids to come and play down here like so many others do as well. And there wasn't just that the sites that I'll never forget of the death and the chaos, but also these incredible images of Bondi's famous lifeguards, just ordinary citizens doing their work.

And as I mentioned earlier too, you always hope that when you're faced with a circumstance like that, that you would do the work that's required to help people, to stop a gunman, to save a life. And you hope it would do that. But if you're faced with that circumstance, you might not be sure that you'd be able to do that. You would hope you would. But as we saw this afternoon, when people were faced with that circumstance, they went headfirst into the situation to do their job as humans. And that was quite remarkable to see, I have to say, despite so much chaos around, so many broken hearts and now so many broken lives.

We're going to take a quick break, folks, and we will return with more, though. Thank you so much for your company. Our live reporting from this disaster, this dark day in Australia's history will continue after this short break. You just saw there the video, a little bit, a clip of the video that we've been talking about that has been circulating online, where you had the shooter firing on Australians, Jews celebrating Hanukkah on the beach, firing on them, and a bystander crouching behind a car coming up and tackling the shooter and wrestling the gun away from the shooter. Yeah, and that report there, you could hear in that Sky News reporter, just the angst,

and the sorrow and the amount of emotion that the community in Sydney and Bondi Beach are feeling. It's just about 45 minutes after midnight Sydney time there. And you did see that video, as you pointed out, Charlie, of this bystandard. Trey alluding to IMC reporting, Fox has not confirmed that that Good Samaritan may also have been actually injured in the attempt to stop that. And that will be an interesting part of this story. They will hopefully be able to track down that guy. Yeah. And by the way, not just a good Samaritan. That's a hero. That's an absolute hero tackling the guy with the gun, the terrorists with the gun, wrestling the gun away, and then attempting to shoot at him, although he did, it appears he had escaped and then

was captured after. And this is coordinated. I mean, he had two guys. You had two men, we presume, as our last guest, Mary Eisen said, came in a... What I am curious about, and I'm pausing for a second, I'm curious about how long this hero story keeps going since they figured out that he's a Muslim. Okay. And the reason I'm saying that is because, you know, as Bibi said and as we have figured out, the guy that actually stopped the Muslim from shooting the Jewish people was a Muslim. So let's just see in mainstream media and Sally, I'm going to call you in a couple of... couple days. I'm going to say how many times have you heard about this hero that stopped the attack or at least stopped one of the guys? Because I promise you on your nightly news,

you're not going to hear that hero story very much anymore because as as the Muslim thing starts coming out, that doesn't fit their narrative. So right now they're anti-Muslim. So they're going to keep pushing that and they're going to someone's meeting right now saying, all right, guys, a Muslim, we got to quit talking about this. So call all your news people. Do not talk about that much anymore. So we'll see. Yeah, but like I said before, Chad, I think, too, people understand there is a difference between a religion and an extreme religion or extreme ideology. Right. Yeah, absolutely. And I want everybody to understand. That's what I'm, that's literally what I say. I mean, am I against ISIS and terrorists that are murders? Absolutely. Yes. And as an American, if ISIS or a

terrorist faction is in this country and we have to fight against that faction, if we know them to be terrorist, I'm going to be the first person out there with my guns, fighting for America and fighting for my people in my country. I will do that all day against anybody. It doesn't matter who it is, whether it's terrorists from ISIS, whether it's whoever, right? But the thing is here is that what I want to make very clear and separate is that there is a difference. When we criticize Israel and what our thoughts or my thoughts in particular are on the way Israel

has reacted or I guess responded. to Gaza without really given kind of two shits about life, civilian life in Gaza. I have a problem with that. And I think as a Christian, you have to have a problem with that. And that doesn't mean, though, at the same time, that you should go out and say the all Jews are bad because that's not true. All Jews are not bad. We can't also attack Israel completely over what they've done in Gaza.

And we've had these conversations over and over again. but we have to also remember in Gaza, Chad, Hamas is using innocent people as their shields. They are hiding their bombs. They're hiding their weapons. How do you know that? In schools, in hospitals, all over the place. Because we see reporting as not just on mainstream media. To me, Chad, you're seeing one side and I see another.

I see both sides. And there's got to be a balance in between. It's not just Israel attacking. all these poor innocent people, you got to remember they're being ruled by terrorists. And these terrorists don't care about these people. No, they don't. I mean, they don't care about them. I'm not.

They will shoot them in the forehead in front of you if they want to. Yeah, I, listen, I agree with all those things that, yes, the terrorist faction in Gaza is bad. I 100% understand and get that. But at the same time, you know, as an IDF fighting force, as as fierce as they are, you need to send people into that city to try to avoid civilian casualties as as as as as benjamin at yahoo always wants to say how much they are like america we're so much alike well the number one thing america has tried it at the very least to do was to minimize civilian casualties that's because when you stop well how do you know that chad well i well i know that because i have a lot of military

members that i am very good friends with that have been overseas yeah but they've also said it's been ugly over there too with our military in other countries and that we're not so nice either. It has. But the difference is that if America goes in and just blows up an entire region, not given a damn about civilian life whatsoever. And they blow up everything in that entire area. Can you imagine what the world would think of America? Like, I don't know if you remember the guy that killed himself or blew himself up in front of that hotel. Las Vegas.

I think it was. He was a Speck-Ops guy. It was the Trump. Yeah, in front of the Trump Tower. Right. Yeah, he blew himself up in the cyber truck. In front of the Trump Tower, he put out a letter before he killed himself. And what did the letter say?

He talked about something that he had witnessed in Afghanistan. Right. But it was one particular incident. And he was, he knew a lot about what was going to Afghanistan because of his high up position. And one of the things he said was when I found out about this, I could not, I could not not say it. Even though I was supposed to just be quiet about it and just live my life, there's no way I could go on knowing that we killed likely on purpose,

even though we didn't necessarily know exactly if there were six civilians and four terrorists. But the fact that we had an entire panel that reviewed that particular attack to where we killed innocent civilians. And it was like six or seven or eight of them. And we also, I think, killed like a couple terrorists in that. but we killed seven civilians and someone made the call to say screw the civilians. There's two terrorists. There are three. We got to take them out.

So the life on the civilian side is not as important. You know, so we got to get these guys. So imagine the difference, though, when Israel just goes in and blows up the entire area. I agree with you to a point, chat. But we've also talked to a lot of your military friends. And they said, you know, when they were in Afghanistan or anywhere, you could be talking to civilians and you could have an eight-year-old that has an AK-whatever. Okay, yeah, behind these little robe and come out and shoot them.

You can't trust anybody. No, you can't trust anybody for sure. And, you know, unfortunately, there are factions of ISIS and all those people that will literally tell a kid, hey, these men that are in these suits, you see these suits, you see this person in a dress like this. Yeah, kill them because they're going to kill your mother if you don't do this. I mean, these are innocent kids, though. Right.

Right. And so all I'm saying is I'm not saying that war isn't dirty. But is the answer killing and like just the entire area. Yeah. It's not. And so when people say it's a genocide, well, number one, I think that regardless of whatever we want to talk about, does the faction of people in Gaza and Palestine hate Jews? Yes. And they are indoctrinated to hate Jews.

And does the government hate the Palestinians? Absolutely. I think that's very clear. So it's basically going to be, you know, you have. You have Israel, which is like the little brother of America. Right. And then you have Palestine, which is a, you know, a terror group, which is running a country. And they don't have nearly the possible, I guess you can say nearly the strike forces or the or the technology or any of that.

When it compares to Israel, there's not even a comparison. Right. I mean, Israel has the iron dome. I mean, literally Iran tried to shoot over all kinds of shit into Israel and none of it got through. I think like two or three things. Russia or China could also try to attack Israel. And even if China tried to attack Israel, it would be likely that China would be unsuccessful for a large part.

So keep that in mind. And so what I'm saying is, is this is like David and Goliath when you look at it. I mean, you know, although Goliath, I guess would be Israel in this case. David is the small little whatever. Territish crush. Trying to throw rocks and guns and going over in paramotors and parachutes and trying to kill people, but, you know, we also got to go back to the story of the Jerusalem Post, which we know that Israel knew about this attack that was coming for probably up to a year.

The Jerusalem Post itself. According to the Post. Yeah, because of leaked documents from inside military sources. That was all verified. So we know that they knew about it. But do we know that, okay, they knew about it, but was it verified? They knew this specific date, specific time when it happened. From what I read, from what I read that they knew likely the date.

And it was also very interesting that two weeks before the attack on October 7th that Israel or somewhere, whoever, moved that event, which was that kind of music festival, they moved it. Yeah, like two miles or a mile and a half from the border. It was like, I think it was originally like 12 miles in. And then also you got to think about it was six to seven hours before any forces arrived. Yeah. And I don't get that. And this is in one of the most protected countries in the entire world. I mean, you're talking about Mossad, you're talking about their advanced intelligence.

They know any and everything that happens, not just in Israel. They know what's happening in freaking America. That's why. And they obviously know what's happening in Australia because why did Beebe come out there and tell the prime minister, you better do something about the anti-Semite stuff before this even happened. He said that he warned Australia about this attack two months before. Yeah. How did he know about it?

No, no. That's a good question. but anyways i i want to finish this video out because fox news is about to bring on this ex-israeli special forces guy and so already obviously you got to ask yourself like why are they bringing on him i understand that you want his expert opinion but i just want you to hear what he says because it's kind of along the same lines as what benjamin then yahoo says which is that we got to stop anti-semitism at all costs in the west and i am calling on all governments to do any and everything to stamp out anybody that is anti-Semite? Well, the question is, is that what is the definition of anti-Semite?

Does that mean if we question what Israel does or Israel's involvement in the United States? Does that make you anti-Semite? Because up until now, it does. That's what it means. If you even question Israel, if you even question Benjamin Netanyahu, you are an anti-Semitic. But that's not true. Let's go ahead and play this video. In a car and possibly had other weapons in the car. And the footage we were just showing shows that pedestrian walkway that appears to go between over to that busy highway that our witness said that people had to flee across to get out of the line of fire. And that bridge, that elevated bridge right there is where one of the suspects was firing from.

And then the other one had gone down, was on a grassy area along the beach. And that's where he got taxed. We've seen other video of what appears to be the shooter, one of the shooters, perhaps the deceased shooter who is lying among shell casings there on that bridge, which leads you to think that that's probably the second shooter who is deceased and the other one was maybe detained. And you mentioned the logistics of this shooting and where it took place, someone who certainly knows a lot about understanding those things is Israeli Special Operations Veteran. Cohen who joins us now. Aaron, this was clearly, by admission by the Australian officials, a targeted attack. But speak to us specifically about this target, Bondi Beach. So there's a couple of things to unpack here.

I agree and disagree with Mary on certain things, your previous guest. Here's why I'm at with this. I do believe that this was a lone wolf attack. these were lone wolves. But when we talk about lone wolves, we typically tend to picture isolated individuals who are acting on their own. And in reality, many of these so-called lone actors guys are not operationally directed, but they are ideologically influenced and encouraged and validated by America's enemies, our foreign adversaries. I want to talk about Iran. They have been one of the most active state sponsors of this model, spiking our algorithm.

them toss. I got to say something for a second because. I knew it. No, listen. But when I woke up and I told Sherry this morning, I said, you're like, oh, they're going to place it on the blame on Iran. Absolutely. I knew they were because Israel has been wanting to go to war with Iran and they're

trying to figure out a way to get the United States to bring our troops into Iran to help them fight Iran and take over Iran. They, I think, want to do another Gaza in Iran. I think they want to take over Iran. And how are they going to do it? Well, they have to start pinning stuff on Iran. We've already seen this. They tried to pin Trump's assassination attempt on Iran.

But there were leaked videos that it was an Iranian that was trying to assassinate him. Yeah, but, but Sherry, but that's what I'm saying. Like, you also have to understand you're going against the propaganda machine. You're going against Mossad. You're going against CIA. And you're going against what they're telling you is what these people are, what they're doing. And so when they try to say like, you know, they even wanted to try to blame Thomas Crooks on Iran. You know, that's what they wanted to do.

Although I think Thomas Crooks, you know, the Butler, Pennsylvania assassination attempt. He's definitely an operative. I don't know for who, but he's an operative. I think he's an operative for an intelligence agency. I think they, I think it was like an MK Ultra thing. They brought him in. They knew that he had issues. They groomed him.

That's why he went to Thomas Crooks. He went to the same firing ranges that Homeland Security does on. this stuff for months? Like, why would you as a civilian go to a federal or a government firing range for months? Unless you had some kind of inside something. Yeah, you had something. You had a handler. You had somebody that was kind of pushing you along.

You were going to be the patsy for the Trump assassination. And I do think, actually, that Thomas Crooks meant to kill Donald Trump. I think they missed. I think that I think he failed at that. And that's why the breakdown of the Secret Service happened. coincidentally that they didn't see this guy on the roof but yet they had snipers right directly across from him they were literally just waiting on him and saying will you take the damn shot well it's the same reason why we didn't see tyler robinson on the roof with charlie kirk

assassination no we didn't see that either supposedly he had a gun maybe he didn't there's a lot of questions here but anyways of course this guy is already blaming iran it's also in the in the telegraph is also in multiple news reports as of the past couple of hours to where they're going to blame Iran for this as the connection. In that rage bait up, hijacking that comment section. And so while you might have many peaceful, quiet Muslims who live in Australia, they don't need to task. Iran doesn't need to task an attacker directly. They just need to hand someone a weapon in that ideology and allow them to believe that it's okay to attack Jews on Hanukkah. And so I believe that Iran is seating this propaganda, amplifying the anti-Semitic narratives to glorify this violence, and create that digital ecosystem where unstable and aggrieved individuals like these two shooters are nudged towards that action.

And that's recruitment. And that's what I think we just saw play out right here. And I think we're seeing the same type of behavioral, ideologically grievance motivated online, digitally influenced attack with. the Brown shooter as well. That might not be Iran, but it's the internet that is driving these lone wolves to that operational open fire stage. So that's where I'm out with the digital side of this thing with both. I want to say something too real quick. So they're talking about this digital place to where people, Iran, is using these social media companies, is what he's trying to say. Now, if you guys have not heard like two or three episodes back to where we

said that when b bnatt njahoo we had that we played that video he said the the most important purchase for anti-semitism is tic-tok he said it but what else did he say in that video and you guys can go back on our last episode or one before that i can't remember which one it was what was the next thing he said he said next we got to get x we got to get x so what this guy and what i'm already starting to see is that a lot of this festering of anti-semitism anti-jewish culture is coming from X. I think they're going to start blaming it on X. They're going to try to pivot to a point to where they can control X.

They know that X is a huge problem. When Israel goes in and responds and retaliates against October 7th, and then people have open discourse and they talk about what actually happened. They have their own opinions. They discuss it. There are people that I believe are paid. mostly on one side, to be honest, but there are people that are lashing out and they're saying, look, we don't agree with this. Like, just because you're a Jewish nation, we don't think that

we have to agree with you killing innocent people. But what I'm saying is, is that not only are they setting this up, in my opinion, for a potential war with Iran because the B2 bombers going in and blowing up their nuclear whatever facility, whatever that was, was not enough. They want a full-scale war with Iran. But what if it is Iran and it's not a false flag? What if it is what they're saying is in front of our face and it's Iran's doing? Well, there's a pretty easy way to figure that out on X. And you only tell you how that's a pretty easy way.

Well, Elon just two weeks ago, found it very interesting. Elon two weeks ago, now if you have an account on X, you can go to anyone's account that it has an account on X, you can go to their profile and you can go to the little tab section right under their bio and you can look and see where that account originates from. So if it's in Iran, if it's in the Middle East. From foreign countries, right? Well, some of it is. Or Israel?

Some of it is. But like some of it is from different places. Like some of the MAGA accounts, actually. Some of the big MAGA accounts are overseas. Some of the big Democrat accounts are overseas. So you can tell primarily who people are. been like that on X or it just started. Two weeks ago.

Yeah. And that's very interesting that they did that. And I think that shows transparency. Well, Elon. That they're willing to say, hey, these are these big accounts, but this is where these accounts actually come from. Yeah. Well, I think Elon knows what's about to come is what I think.

I think he don't fully understand it, but I think he's started to get it. I think he realizes that they're going to come after his platform next and they're going to try to take it over. They're going to force a buy potentially on X? But how are they going to force a buy? Well, they did it as same way with TikTok. I know, but TikTok was owned by China. Supposed.

And nobody wanted China to own TikTok. And that's how they got TikTok. Yeah, well, that was their excuse. But with X, it could be as simple as putting some law through Congress again. And if X doesn't comply with certain rules about anti-Semitism. Oh, and then they're going to use the government influence. Yeah, then they could force the sale or they could shut it down. That's what's coming.

and literally Bibi Netanyahu said this himself. This was like three weeks ago. You just played the soundpiece. Well, yeah, well, I'm saying, well, we played it two episodes ago. It's where he says TikTok was the most important purchase. X is going to be next. We have to stop this anti-Semitism. We have to make our governments enforce this, meaning censorship.

If you start to talk about that conversation on Israel, you're going to have a problem. And one of the things I did want to say before we play the rest of this video real quick, I found it also interesting that of this terror attack, you had these two guys, 154, the father and the son, which was 24 or somewhere around there, you had them shooting people at will. You had them shooting from the left, the right,

they were shooting anybody that moved. But then you also have all these videos on X. You have probably about, from what I've counted so far, probably 12 videos that are close range videos. okay that are literally pointing the camera at these shooters within probably 30 to 70 feet of these shooters it's almost like they were planning to video this yes masquer yeah that's what I'm saying like you you have you I've never seen more video of a mass shooting yeah that's crazy

and and none of them I mean you know they'll say some things in the background like oh my god you know whatever but they're literally right there and so all these gunmen have to do is just turn around and shoot them. So that doesn't make sense to me. Like, why was there so many videos? Like it was almost staged? Or they wanted to make sure that they got all of the clips and all of the video for everybody to see, for the world to see.

These are Muslims killing Jews. Here's the video. Throw it on X. Go wild. I'm not saying that's true. I'm just saying that's my conspiracy theory on this. I'm just telling you I've never seen more video from close range sources of a mass shooting where people are literally taking high definition videos within feet of the gunmen.

That's weird to me. And I've even looked at the zoom angles and like how much time zoom some of these cameras were versus others. There's already people doing analysis on this. It's weird. It's weird. It's like whoever some of these people were that were taking videos, we're not worried that these people were just going to turn around and shoot them. And they were in very clear line of sight of these shooters. The other thing I want to say is, you know, we don't know exactly who these people are yet.

What I do know is that if you watch the video that we post on our social media, that son, the shooter, is a very well-trained shooter. That is a bolt action rifle. And so obviously in Australia, I don't even think you can own like an AR-15, I don't believe. You Australians can correct me if I'm wrong. But as this guy is shooting on this pedestrian bridge, which kind of goes over this little canal area, He is not only shooting, I mean, as he's shooting, he's, he's hitting that lever back and forth and it's fast. And he's just taken out. And as he's literally dodging bullets, like people are like the cops are shooting at him eventually.

Yeah, I was curious about that because, you know, my mom did just come in town. So I didn't get to research like I normally do. And so how did the whole shootout with the police occur? Were they already on scene? No, well, they eventually came on scene. And there was a lot of people asking, why did it take them so long to get to the shooters? Because, I mean, you could hear the sirens the entirety of the event. I think it lasted about 10 to 12 minutes.

And during that whole time, you heard sirens. They were right near. But the gunmen did not actually start engaging with police until probably the last two minutes. So you started seeing bullets being fired towards the gunman about the last two minutes. and the one guy, the young guy, was like just dodging bullets. I mean, he was like, I mean, bullets were hitting the concrete center blocks and you could see him like exploding and he's just dodging shit and just and getting back up and shooting just like he was playing a video game.

Yeah, literally. I mean, it was like a video game. This guy's obviously pretty trained. I don't know to what degree. You know, they're saying he's Muslim. We'll have to see like what terror ties he has or doesn't. But at the very least, guys. guy was pretty well trained.

He knew exactly how to use that lever action rifle. And, you know, lever action rifle is, is interesting because it's, it's, it's that step that you got to do. And then you also have to reload.

I saw a couple times that he was reloading. And his reload process was mega fast. I'm talking about it was just like he was, he was going in, reloading, done. He was shooting again. So they've either been training heavily for this day to where he had it so

fine-tuned. but these guys were not morons. They knew how to shoot. I mean, the dad was obviously not the greatest, I guess you can say, combat engineer considering he got taken over by this older Muslim guy. Right. Now, do we know if these two gentlemen, well, not gentlemen, these two men. Assholes.

Were from Australia? I think so. Yeah. Well, I think they lived in Australia from what we understand. I mean, I think they did have license in Australia. I think, obviously. Obviously, if the dad had a gun license, then he was a resident.

Yeah, because he had six guns. That's right. Yeah. Obviously, his son probably was likely also from Australia. But, and I do want to also say this before we get any further because I want to make sure I mention this. Obviously, obviously we're praying for all the families of everybody involved. Absolutely. It's a very horrific attack.

It is. It's going to change a lot of people's lives. Especially the first night of Hanukkah for people that are Jewish and believe in that religion to go and celebrate Hanukkah. You know, it's like going and celebrate. celebrating Christmas. Yeah. And you go to this Christmas parade, but you're going to Hanukkah parade and then you're shot at like this.

Yeah. And that happened. That's horrific. That actually happened at that Christmas parade a couple years ago. I don't remember who the guy was. I can't remember the name or where it was. You guys can probably correct me. But remember when the guy just came down through the Christmas parade and killed all this thing?

Yeah, yeah, Kenosha or somewhere around there. Yeah. Or no, actually, maybe it was in Chicago or near Chicago. I think it was. Oh, there was a shooting. in it was a shooting or something it was either a shooting it was right there at highwood bomb yeah yeah highland highland park yeah it was highland park yeah it was highland park and then there was the other where the guy just mowed down people in car you remember that i mean and

yeah they never wanted to call that a terrorist attack though because my nephew was at that parade yeah yeah yeah but do you remember though when that happened they did not call it a terrorist attack because it was a Christmas parade. It was Christians or it was people that believed in Christmas. And that's why Republicans were so pissed off about that because at like how the media was talking about it was like, oh, this guy, this crazy dude just went and run over everybody. And no one said shit about like, hey, this is a terror attack really or this is against Christians at all.

But now it's like this attack, well, you know, it's a Hanukkah thing. Well, what's the difference in a Hanukkah and a Christmas parade? So anyways, let's listen to a little more of this video. both of these. Aaron, we want to play for you. That video that we saw on Sky News that Charlie was just talking about, we now are able to show you this. So this is a video of a bystander, a good Samaritan, it appears, that you see coming

from around the car, seems to tackle the gunman there. And then as it goes, he's sort of holding them off. And then just off to the right of your screen, there is apparently a number. another of the attackers that reportedly may have shot this Good Samaritan. But as you watch this video, what do you make of it? Well, I saw a civilian taking action moving from passive to reactive. Obviously, it looks like it was one of the guests. It looks like it could have been one of the Qabad members. I can't tell if he's got Tizi or Tatilim or if he's a member of that particular gathering for Hanukkah at the beach there. But he moved into action. He

He's not reacting. He's not waiting. You know, when you've got two forces, and one person is more aggressive. First of all, he had the element of surprise, came up around that vehicle, got on the individual, was able to strip the weapon away. May have some training, may not. But pushing action and being aggressive is the only way to deal with somebody who's actively engaging in firing a weapon. He took great risk to himself. Didn't have to.

That individual is a hero. It needs to be applauded. and saved who knows how many dozens of lives because of what he did. So obviously it's a very, very big deal here. But, guys, I want to talk about where we're at with all this stuff. We're in this reactive space, whether it's Australia, whether it's brown. The problem here is that we don't have 2025 solutions or we have 2005 solutions for 2025 threats. We've got all of this digital.

We've got all of these adversaries. I ran China, CCP, making everybody absolutely nuts online, and we have to start getting in front of these threats. This reactive model is getting people killed. The only way to get in front of these threats, 80% of these attackers leak online. The only way to get in front of these threats is to make sure that law enforcement is getting this intelligence upstream. And so we need to be looking at models like Giddy and my platform so we can. can get law enforcement that pre-attack guys. Every one of these attackers leak online. We need to start finding the signal. And that's where I come out with all this.

So, Aaron, when you look at that video right there, you can see... All right, guys, that's going to be it for that video. The reason I also wanted to play that, I don't know if you guys remember the podcast we did about a month or two ago where we talked about the same person that went on Fox News and talked about Gideon. He has an AI platform, which is basically an Israeli Mossad and television. platform that they have developed. And what they're going to do and utilize is they're going to use it on social media.

They want to incorporate it in the United States government to go and look at anybody that is a signal, as they call it. So a signal, he says, we got to go stomp them out from the very beginning, anybody that is potentially anti-Semitic. We have to know who those people are. We got to put them on a list and maybe even further. And so that is what we're facing going forward. what we're facing is censorship.

What we're facing is the ability, you know, I never thought actually under Trump presidency that we would potentially have a problem with censorship again. We don't right now necessarily, but we do. Because I can promise you, anything I ever say about my views on Israel is I get like 50 reach. You know, on Instagram or especially X, you know, X is like if I say something about like criticizing or any of that stuff,

I get 50 people that see it out of thousands that are on my life. list, even on Instagram, same thing. So we already start, we already have this algorithm that is being programmed. And you've got to ask yourself, who's program, who is programming it and why? And is it not important that we have a conversation in America as Americans of whether or not we agree with certain things that are going on, whether whatever Israel's doing or Russia, or it's the same thing. If Iran was involved in our politics or our government, the exact same thing. because we are America. That is the number one point I want to make very clear.

We are not Israel. We are not China. We are not Russia. We are Americans. And for me, I'm a Christian. I believe in Jesus. And for me, I care about all people the same. Whether you're Jewish, whether you're Muslim, whether you're Chinese.

I don't know what their religion is. Sorry, Chinese people. You're going to be pissed off me. Or whether you're Russian. I think they're mostly Orthodox. A lot of the Russians. Christian. Yeah, a lot of them are Christian, but I care about people and I don't want to see innocent lives destroyed because of politics or dirty people in government. That is my number one concern

because guys, look, you know, although we sit in our comfy houses and we have heat and we have air conditioning and we have the affordability of having lights and food on our table, you have to also understand that there are people around the world right now. And a lot of people at the hands of a government that now they have nothing. Their future is very bleak. There are kids that have no food. There are kids that are literally swinging on rubble. And there are also people that just got murdered in Australia that were Jewish, likely, obviously, because they were Jewish. And so this is not right on either side. And the main point I want to make is that the same way that I criticize Israel about their response and how they responded and the civilians they killed

in Gaza, I obviously condemn the pieces of shit that killed the Jewish people in Australia. Maybe they're burning in hell because that's probably where they need to be. If you're going to kill innocent people, that's where you deserve to be. And I just want to make it very clear, guys, as someone that follows Jesus, if you follow Jesus, then you know that like the entire mission of Jesus was to love all people. I mean, that's why he he washed a feat of sinners and he led sinners. Some of his biggest disciples, you know, were sinners. I mean, we're all sinners.

And he loved all people. He wasn't a warrior, which is what particular in the Bible, the Jewish people believe he was going to come back as a warrior. And he actually came back as a man just like many people, but he was very nice and loving and caring and wanted to do everything for everybody. But yet just so happened to also perform miracles. So what I'm saying to this is that when we're saying to this is that when we're not going to be very nice and we see all this rhetoric online anti-Israel pro-Israel you're going to be confused you're going to have these moments to where you don't know what is true because i think we all do right now uh and especially on social media but i guess the biggest thing you have to do is just you have to figure out like

you know where where do i stand like what what do i believe do do i hate people because they're Muslims, do I hate people because they're Jews? I hope not. But you also have to use your own heart and your own soul to realize the people that are trying to tell you to hate other people. And that's where you need to lead yourself. When we see all the propaganda that says hate Muslims because they're all to blame for this or hate Jews because they're also all to blame for what Israel does. That's not true. Not all people are to blame for anything. And it's the same way that if someone said that because you believe in Jesus, your government

represent you that's just not true and i think obviously you guys know that at this point so that's going to be it for us uh we did want to come on and just talk about this shooting we obviously have some more episodes to come uh sherry's mom will be here until uh thursday we're going to try to probably have an episode with her we'll figure out something to talk about uh this week and then there's also so much going on in the news i'm sure we're going to hear a lot more about the shooting uh for you guys in australia send us a message or email or whatever and let us know what your thoughts are i know a lot of you reached out and said hey i would love to know your thoughts about this the gun control aspect of it all of that what i

will tell you is i think that your gun control or your gun rights are going to be completely gone if you're looking at your your license i think that will probably somehow get passed through some type of legislation that they will get rid of that um because they're going to blame guns no matter what and then next they're going to blame muslims unfortunately and uh i've already actually started seeing people blaming tucker carlson and canis owens for the shooting uh so which is wild to me that you question something and now you're being blamed for a mass shooting that happened in another country so that's going to be it but until next time guys we love you uh hug your family we do pray for all the family members that lost someone today in the tragedy shooting and uh we love you guys

Peace out. Peace out, guys. Someday, I've been feeling this way for far too long.