Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Candace Owens Exposes Charlie Kirk Text Messages | Our Response To Ashton Forbes

Episode Date: October 9, 2025

In this explosive episode of the Investigate Earth Podcast, Chad and Sheri break down Candace Owens’ shocking new revelations about the assassination of Charlie Kirk — including verified text messages from insiders within Turning Point USA just 48 hours before his death. What do these messages reveal, and why are they being buried by the mainstream narrative? Plus, we respond to the growing controversy surrounding Ashton Forbes — once known for investigating MH370 theories — who has now taken an unexpected turn, rejecting the conspiracy community and aligning himself with pro-Israel talking points. Has Ashton changed his beliefs, or is there something deeper driving this shift? Join us as we cut through the noise, question the official stories, and dive into the real battle for truth and independent thought.Check Out Our Merchandise Store

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I had to grieve them. When I'm at my lowest, it's when I need them. But I don't trip too much. I know they're looking down. Hello and welcome to Investigator of Podcast. I'm your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're diving in. Candice Owens' bombshell revelations about the assassination of Charlie Kirk, including verified

text messages from individuals inside of Turning Point USA, sent just 48 hours before Charlie Kirk's death. These messages have now been confirmed as real, and they're shaken the foundation of what we thought we knew about that tragic day. But that's not the only firestorm. Our good old buddy, Ashton Forbes, once known for investigative bold theories surrounding the disappearance of MH370, has seemingly flipped the script. he's now turned against the conspiracy community altogether and has become a vocal supporter of

Israel. The internet's calling him out, accusing him of being influenced or even paid to push a new narrative. And tonight we're breaking it all down. Candice's new evidence, Ashen's sudden shift. And what it all means for the growing war over truth, influence, and control, buckle up because this is going to be an interesting episode. I got to be honest, I just tried that intro about four times and I screwed it up every single time only because I really just want to get into the episode. I understand intros are important because we want to kind of give you guys an idea of what we're going to talk about. But on this one in particular, I was more kind of angry going into this episode than anything for many reasons. And we'll get to that. And we're

probably going to address the latter of what the intro said before we talk about Candace Owens. And by the way, the name of that song is Underwater by Nick Caution. He talks about, you know, the people you look up to, you know, are looking down. You know, those are the soldiers of truth. And I definitely 100% believe that Charlie Kirk was a soldier of truth. No matter what that meant for him, I think that we're starting to see a lot of that come out right now. You know, especially leading up to six months a year before he was killed in Utah, Charlie was starting to have a different stance on, in particular one thing. And that was Israel, right?

and I know there are a lot of people that have tried to say that everyone that's talking about Israel and maybe the connection of Charlie Kirk or any of this stuff is blowing it out of proportion. But the reality is they've also been saying that Candace Owens and all of her investigative journalism that she's been doing since that horrific day, they're calling her crazy. They're calling her a psychopath. They're doing any and everything to discredit her in anyone that is actually asking real questions. Now, Candace has made it abundantly clear that she's not saying for a fact that Israel had anything to do necessarily with the Charlie Kirk assassination. But it is very strange how things have unraveled, I guess you can say, with some of her reporting the things that she's been talking about on her show and then people just trying to attack her ruthlessly. They're trying to attack her character. They're saying that she doesn't know anything.

and one of those people is Ashton Forbes and so I want to talk about this from the very beginning of the show because for those that know, obviously we were the first podcast that had Ashton Forbes on. We were the very first podcast. I believe I guess was, I don't know if he reached out or some of our listeners reached out and said, hey, you guys need to bring Ashton Forbes on the show. We said, yes, we will.

We had talked with him prior to coming on the show. ever since then because of the MH370 aircraft that for those that just do not know anything about what Ashton Forbes is even about he was the guy that has been investigating MH370 the aircraft that disappeared they still have not found it was Malaysian's airline flight MH370 and he was I guess he had got sent videos that show orbs that encircled an airplane and possibly zapped it out of this guy. He then started pushing the narrative that this had zero to do with aliens or UFOs. That's all just a bunch of BS. Don't believe anybody that says anything about UFOs. They're all morons and they're all idiots. Two, this is definitely the United States government,

100%. This is our advanced technology. This is stuff that is just doomsday, you know, world-ending technology. This is reverse engineered stuff. He knows for sure. Now, Ashen Forbes, you know, he has a top secret clearance or a security clearance at that. He's, he's says that he is a does some kind of medical coding or whatever which is why he potentially needs a top secret clearance but we've got i can't even tell you how many messages and emails of people almost like turning against us because we had ashton forbes on to talk about his stance on the charlie kirk assassination and i don't know why we haven't necessarily been clear even on the last

episode we talked about ashton forbes but the episode we had ashton on was supposed to be ian carroll even maybe at that point kandis owens and ashton forbs and so we were setting all of this up to lead into this debate because you know ian carroll was going to debate ashton ashton was going to be him and we were going to basically host the debate this was not something that we were going into that we're going to try to you know kind of intervene in we didn't even know that Ian Carroll was not going to come to the debate until an hour before we actually did it. And so long story short, he brought Ashen on. He kind of spewed all of the BS that he spewed for that entire hour and a half of that show.

I did lightly push back on some stuff. And I said, I don't necessarily agree with you on some of this stuff. So probably a week later, I had said that I text Ashen. I said, I think we should debate this because, you know, there's a lot of stuff I do not agree with. There's obviously on our podcast, we've been doing this eight years. years. We've talked about conspiracies nonstop. That's literally the name in our podcast. And one of the things we definitely found that, you know, all the things that we have looked into or investigated or researched, like most conspiracy theories usually turn out to be true. Now, I'm not saying all of them, right?

I'm definitely not saying all conspiracy theories are true. But it was something that I know for sure over the past year and a half or two that Ashen never got really into. He definitely never got into politics. he never damn once got into Israel or that October 7th thing, never even talked about it at all. And it wasn't until the Charlie Kirk assassination that he 100% shifted from MH370, zero point energy and his scientific talk where he went on his live streams on YouTube and he posted quite a bit on X and everywhere else. And he was trying to basically give people science lessons or, you know, I guess you can say physics lessons of maybe how a zero point energy actually exists, maybe how this MH370 plane really disappeared.

Now, also keeping in mind, during the time the Ashton really started to blow up, there were many YouTubers that were calling him out and saying, you know, look, we found this graphic that we believe that this part of the video of the MH370 orbs circling the plane, zapping out the sky, we think this was faked. We think this is an asset, a visual or a graphic asset that someone, put into this video. And so he obviously denied this and said there's no way this is possible. He was called out by a lot of people.

And, you know, as someone that, you know, we brought him on first. We didn't know, first of all, anything about physics and like extensively about reverse engineering. And let's just be honest, Ashen really didn't either. But we did our best to kind of stay behind. Not, not, not. We've always said, like, well, I don't necessarily know if the videos are real, do we know that that's reverse engineered technology.

Could it be UFOs? And is it real or not? That's the other thing, right? But it's always an interesting conversation to bring Ashton on to talk about this. We did. And lately, with what Ashton's been doing on his own platform, on X, on YouTube,

on basically calling anyone that believes in conspiracy theories, conspirators, and that they have zero IQ, and they're all a bunch of morons, and they're all idiots. And if you believe Candace Owens on anything she's investigating, and then you have a very low IQ or you are in a cult.

I will say this. I want to go ahead and make it very clear to everyone that listens to our podcast that we do not agree with Ashton Forbes on this topic, especially the Charlie Kirk assassination and conspiracy theories. And for me, definitely Israel either. I don't agree with him at all on any of this whatsoever. I want to also make something very clear is that after the debate was supposed to happen on this podcast, with Ian Carroll and Ashton Forbes. And that didn't happen.

Well, like I said, a week later, I reached out and I said, Ashton, do you want to debate? I think we should because there's a lot of people saying, look, do you hear what your boy, Ashton's doing? You know, we were getting so many messages, so many emails. And I said, yes, I'm seeing it. I understand. I don't agree with pretty much any of it.

And then we started getting people that are like, oh my God, I can't believe you guys agree with Ashton. You guys are pieces of shit. You guys are assholes. I'm unsubscribing. I'm never listening to you again. And I'm like, when have we ever said that we agree with Ashton Forbes about this Charlie Kirk thing? We haven't.

Can I we've literally done. Can I interrupt for just a second? Because I kind of have been on Ashton's side. Not Ashton's side, but I've been pro-Israel this whole time. And during the podcast, I did come out and say, hey, if Candace has all this information, show us the receipts. And I'll be the first to apologize. I did say that. I didn't really believe that she had any receipts.

will come to find out she showed the receipts. And even Turning Point USA confirmed these are actual receipts. So I said, I will apologize. I apologize that Candace does have the receipts. Do I still think that Israel, or do I think that Israel didn't kill Charlie Kirk? I still believe that they didn't. I don't think they had anything to do with it. Do I think something was sinister more than a lone gunman?

Tyler Robinson was the only person that plotted this murder? No. I think there was something totally sinister about this assassination. It's a cover up. And it was a definite cover up and it goes way deeper than what we know. Could it be plausible that was Israel? Sure. Could it be plausible that it's America? Sure. We don't know. But I'm not going to just sit out there and point my finger at Israel because everybody else is doing that. I'm not going to do that. But I do think it's sinister. And I think that there are other evil players or actors involved. I'm not sure who these are. And I'm just saying that I'm not one to come out and say, hey, it was this person

if I don't know for sure. And that's all I have to say. Well, Candace is not saying that either. But I'm just going to apologize that Candice did come with the receipts. That's what I have to say. And listen, keeping in mind, Candace is not saying for sure it's Israel either. She's just showing all the evidence that has been presented so far. Right.

That's what she's doing. And that's what she should be doing. Now, what I was saying is that I ask Ashton, let's debate because there's a lot of people that are our listeners and just my own. Like every time I would see Ashton's videos, his live streams, his post, it pissed me off. I'm not going to lie. I mean, they angered me every single time I saw his post because I guess my first thought was, damn, I thought I knew Ashton.

Like, I thought I knew who Ashton was. Like, I really did. And I trusted him. I entrusted him. We actually entrusted him enough at one point in time to where we put up $25,000 for anyone that would come forward with the original video of the immigration. 370 stuff if someone created it we'll put up 25 grand another guy would i can't remember kim com would put up 100 000 whatever it was and so when i see like this massive flip that ashton's

doing it angers me for sure and so i reached out to ashton i said hey do you want to debate uh we had agreed to a debate i did get sick sherry and i both got sick but i literally just said i text ashen that the i guess it was the day before we were supposed to debate i said hey i'm sick can we push this to the next day tomorrow and so i never heard anything back from him that night never got a response and text message never did anything at 630 the next day which i i think i'd mentioned in the text let's try to do it around 630 or whatever at 630 the next day he gave me a thumbs up on my text message now that's not saying hey let's do it it it was just a thumbs up almost like he was trying to make it out like he acknowledged it the night before but he didn't and so

i'd reached out said hey look dude we were planning on doing something else because you know we didn't hear back from you. So I said, do you, if you want to do it still, let's push it to tomorrow and we'll do what we were planning on doing tonight, right? And so he had sent a text message back. He said, hey, I am, he said, I'm not filling it, basically. He said, let's do something else or whatever the case was. And I said, well, you know, it's fine.

If we don't want to debate, whatever I said, I don't even remember. But I knew he wasn't feeling it. So I was like there's no point in in trying to convince him to come on and debate. what I will say as of this point right now is that we're not going to have Ashton back on this podcast unless he does agree to a debate. If he wants to debate me, fine. If he doesn't, then fine. Well, I think you're really aggravated with Ashton just because he's calling people like ourselves conspiracy tards or whatever he calls us. And he's changed his tune. And, you know, we have always been loyal to Ashton as friends. And I do consider Ashton a friend. And I do consider Ashton a friend.

I don't know what's going on with Ashton. I don't know what's changed him, why he's decided to go this political conspiracy route. Maybe he's done with- Anti-conspiracy. Yeah, maybe he's done with the airplane stuff. I think he is brilliant in the science field and the physics thing. But name-calling is not going to get anyone anywhere. And that's what I think is really raising a lot of hairs on people's backs is that Ashton

is just coming out and he doesn't even care if he's calling out his own listeners, calling them retards basically. No, he doesn't care at all. And I don't know what's going on with Ashton because that is not like Ashton. And I'm not going to just be disloyal and defriend Ashton. He's still my friend. And I'm just going to put it out there. Well, for me, he's pissed me off enough to where I don't give a damn anymore whatsoever.

I really don't. And, you know, it comes to a point where, look, friends are friends, right? But then also, I think that there is mass disinformation going on on his account with those 300,000 people and the amount of people that he has that follow him and listen to him, it's almost like, you know, a lot of people are claiming that he's paid. Well, if he's paid, like, and I've said this before, if Ashton is paid, I don't think it's by Israel, because that's not going to do Israel any favors. It's going to make Israel more people hate them.

Because if people like Ashton and the way he's doing it and the way he's going about it is trying to get people on Israel's side, I don't see that happening whatsoever. if maybe the government came along said, hey, we'll pay you to run with this narrative just because, I mean, that makes kind of more sense because like he's destroying his own platform. Yeah, but what if they're doing that on purpose

to make him destroy his platform and he doesn't even know what he's doing right now because they're paying him. Well, listen, but all I'm saying is is that a lot of the stuff that he's saying, there's no way that what is coming out of his mouth with supposedly as smart as he is that he actually believes the bullshit

that is coming out of his mouth. there's just no way. And, and I've thought a lot about that, you know, and, and, and we've always been a podcast, which is what also kind of piss me off when, when some of our listeners for a long time, reached out to us that I can't believe that you guys are like this. I'm like, what did I miss? Like, where have we been that we have agreed with Ashton Forbes and we agree with the shit that's coming out of his mouth and that we are anti-Candis or whatever the case is?

Because I'm going to go ahead and tell you right now, I stand with Candice Owens, like 100%. She's risking her life, whether you believe it or not. It's always one of those things that people don't believe people are risking their lives. They want to make fun of it. Like, oh, yeah, your lives are risk now. You know, it's just like now her new evidence, which we'll talk about in just a moment, because we're going to play some of her actual video where she exposes the newest evidence. But, you know, she knows for a fact also, which she has not released this yet,

that apparently 24 hours before Charlie Kirk was assassinated, he had told some people. that he thought that he was going to be killed. They were going to kill him. Who they are, we don't know. But he said, I think that they are going to kill me. Now,

was this in the same text thread that was recently exposed and validated with turning point USA people, including Josh Hammer, was it in that same thread? Was it not? We don't know. But what we do know is that everyone

called Candice Owen's a psycho. She's crazy. You know, she's mentally ill. She should be put in a mental institution. If anybody believe anything Candice Owen's is saying, then you are in a cult, you have a low IQ, and you're an idiot.

And guess some of the biggest, one of the biggest voices saying that is, it has been Ashton Forbes. And Candace Owens even called out Ashton Forbes in her newest video, which we'll get to in a second. Well, and I just wanted to point out to that I've always been a fan of Candace Owens. When she parted with Daily Wire and parted with Ben Shapiro, I was hurt because she said Jesus is king. Ben Shapiro didn't like that. They parted ways.

You were hurt because she said Christ is king? No, I was hurt that they parted because I thought they made a great team before beforehand. I thought they were a great team because I like both of them. I like Ben Shapiro. I like Candice Owens. I've always been a fan of hers. But I just wanted to say that I guess when they parted ways, she really started going after Israel then. It wasn't just Charlie Kirk.

She started going after Israel before that. The problem is she started going after Israel because of all the evidence. that was presented in front of her while she was at Daily Wire. And obviously, Daily Wire could not have that because they're basically all Jewish influencers. I mean, and they are one of the most heavily paid by Israel influence companies in the United States. They are essentially Israel State Media, the Daily Wire. They are funded more heavily than almost anybody.

And so they're not allowed to say anything bad about Israel. They are basically like, you go to Israel and you might as well just turn. on daily wire because that's what's going to be in Israel. The same talking points, the same shit that they say, by the way, I don't know if anybody remember when Ben Shapiro back during the COVID-19 pandemic was trying to convince people to get the vaccine because it wasn't that bad. And don't worry about it. Oh, yeah, that was one of the things.

And look, Ben Shapiro has always been one of those fast talking, very knowledgeable people. I like him. And I still like him. And I do still like Candace. It just hurt me when they split because I like to both of them. I don't like him. I, you know, I hate to say it, but I kind of like Nick. Fuentes, too, because he has great points.

You know, just because they are not on my side doesn't mean I can't like them. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, in my life right now, especially with the way media is, is that we always have to be looking at everybody that is out there telling us anything because there is a very good chance with the fact the mainstream media is dying and the fact that Israel and other foreign lobbies, no matter who it is, and not just foreign, but also domestic lobbies, whether it be open society foundations, the New World Order agendas, the Israel, A-PAC agenda,

the all of this you always have to try to decipher like who's telling you what and why and and I think people are starting to get really really really good at that to the point where even Charlie Kirk himself realized which was pretty obvious in in some of his text exchanges about Israel and like how bad they are at PR and like I can't believe that they would be this dumb when it comes to some of this shit and then you know Charlie Kirk literally the last one of the last messages he ever said but before he said I think think they are going to kill me. But one of the last thing, as he said, was I have no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel

stance completely. Like, that is not a fake message. Right. That is literally 48 hours before he was assassinated. And then from what Candace Owens is saying now that 24 hours before he was assassinated, don't know if it was in the same thread, but saying that I think they are going to kill me. And 24 hours later, he was assassinated. So is that all just one big coincidence?

I don't think so. I think he, I think someone had. Intel from somewhere. Maybe that was feeding it to Charlie like, hey, man, we got to be a little more careful. And I saw people on X saying, oh, yeah, if he really thought this because they're already trying to say Candace is lying about this too, which I promise you she's going to have receipts on this as well. But they're already trying to say, oh, yeah, well, if he really believe that, like he

would have had much stronger security at, you know, Utah Valley University and all this. Like, he had a lot of security there. I mean, he had a decent security. But he had six people. How, what else are you going to do? You know, and the reality is, regardless of whether Charlie thought that they were going to kill him, whoever they is or they are, I mean, you don't just think that necessarily that someone would go to the links that they would maybe the president of the United States to kill you. And so someone that gets on a rooftop, if that's where the bullet even came from, I'm starting to think more and more that maybe it wasn't. Yeah.

But when you think about somebody draws crowds like Charlie Kirk does or did, then you need major security. like you would a president. Yeah. And I don't think he really had that. No, he did. And, you know, as a matter of fact, there's a lot of people saying he was not even wearing a chest guard or body armor or anything. Like, that's just crazy to me when you, especially when you're going to college campuses and

you're basically calling out people that hate you to come talk to you to see if you can change their mind or let them try to change your mind. I mean, that's kind of just craziness to me that he wouldn't be protected. But you also have to understand, Sherry, that these are. public universities most of the time. And public universities, they don't really allow you to close down public universities and check every single person that comes in there for your event. If you had an event, would you wear body armor?

Would you have a chess plate on? Of course I would. Especially if you were the caliber of Charlie Kirk. Yeah. Well, I mean, of course I would, but that still doesn't stop a neck shot, right? It still doesn't stop a headshot, especially when you're sitting still most of the time. and you know but what I'm saying is to this is that it's really hard to secure a college campus that's a public university which is literally what is giving you the ability to go to this

university and do what you are doing which is to talk on this university to college kids because it is an open air environment it is an open air place so you can't you can't just you can't just lock down the university because Charlie Kirk's there but how hard is it to just fly drones around on the roof well you could I mean and there was a lot of drones that was in the air. I mean, whose drones were they? Were they drones that maybe there's video footage of the,

uh, different angles? Maybe it wasn't on Charlie's side, but on the assassin's side. We don't know. Um, it wouldn't be that hard, but you know,

did they do it? We just don't know. So, um, I want to go ahead and, and just say the last thing I'm going to say about Ashen is, I don't agree with anything to Ash and saying right now whatsoever. I completely dis about every single thing to Ash and saying.

And honestly, the only way that he's ever going to be back on the show whatsoever. And I know he doesn't. doesn't probably give a damn is that if he wants to debate me on any of this stuff, I would be more than happy and willing to do that. Will he? I don't know. That's for him to decide or whatever.

Or is it even worth it? That's the other question. Is it worth it to let him back on the show and debate him? You know, will he even let me talk? Will it be just a shit show? I don't know. But it, you know, just so you guys understand that we always on this podcast are about the truth and we're not just going to go with the with whatever narrative someone's saying no matter what

you know we're trying to find the truth through all of this BS just like you guys are and so don't ever and I and I hope that you guys give us more credit yeah then to just think that we're gonna platform Ashton to speak bullshit that is either a paid propaganda or or something that he's just trying to discredit people for for his own personal benefit whatever the cases I would hope that you guys would give us more credit for that because that's not what we're about we've not done this for seven or eight years to try to expose every bit of truth we possibly can. We've been back and forth on issues. We've argued with ourselves. We've, it's affected our marriage at times. It's affected our life. It's affected everything that we do because this is not easy. Honestly,

it's not easy to talk about this stuff all the time. It's not easy to have to deal with even a stuff over the past two weeks with just the Ashton stuff and people sending us messages and emails and, you know, you name it. Yeah. And I just want to put it out there with the whole Israel thing. for those of you that are regular listeners, you know that Chad and I do constantly argue about Israel, and it's very hard. I have to mention this, that, you know, I was raised in a half Jewish family, and I was raised to believe to have alliance with Israel. And it's very disappointing to me when I have to come out and say, and swallow my pride

and say, hey, maybe I'm wrong. And I am saying that, I'm swallowing my pride. And I'm saying, hey, maybe I'm wrong in this situation. It's a hard task to do as far as being raised the way I was. So I just want to put it out there. It's not that we're just, you know, taking Ashton's side or I'm taking Ashton's side. Chad's never been that way. Chad and I are the ones that disagree about this topic.

But it is very hard for me just from my upbringing, just like a lot of you that were upbringing, you know, your upbrings were in, you know, the Christian church or Catholic church or whatever. You know, it's hard to go against what your beliefs were growing up as a child. and through your adulthood. So you got to give credit where credits do as well. Yeah, but, you know, and I think the problem is that we're they, somebody is making this about religion, anti-Semite. If you even question Israel, you're anti-Semite.

Bullshit. That's not true. Like, you can question anyone, you know, like I say this all the time. We've had 90% of our episodes that are about the United States government. And are we called anti-Christian because of that or whatever? there's no one that's ever going to tell me I'm anti-Semite because I question Israel. Like that's just ridiculous. First of all, I don't live in Israel.

I live in America and that's my first and most important country in the world. Is Israel even my second? No, I don't really have a second and most important country. I think that all people deserve fair, fair, I guess, human rights, all of that stuff. The innocent civilians don't deserve to be killed, no matter who that is. and no government should use any religion or any powerful force to either kill innocence or whatever. And the United States has done it for a very long time.

I also believe Israel has done that. Many countries in the Middle East has done that. Russia has done it. Literally a lot of people have done it. And the unfortunate part is when you question Israel, though, you are anti-Semite. When you question anybody else, you're not. You're just questioning things. And that, I think, is what the problem is with Gen Z.

that's what Charlie Kirk was trying to get across to people is like your PR is ridiculous. It is stupid. And if you think that you're going to turn the younger generation to pro-Israel, you know, ideologies or stances based on you saying you're not allowed to question Israel, that's when it becomes a problem. So anyways, I just want to go ahead and say that. So I was thinking about this. Let's go ahead and go into the Candace Owens interview.

We're going to get through as much of it as we can. We're probably not going to play the whole thing. I do encourage you guys to go. and listen to Candace Owens on YouTube or wherever you listen to her. She does her live shows on YouTube. I do encourage you guys to go support her. Go give her encouragement because right now, look, she is someone that is sticking her neck out on the line. And I'm saying neck, meaning literal, like she could get assassinated.

And when people try to act like it's ridiculous that people think that because Candice said, hey, I'm going to send out these packages around the world to people I trust. Because if I am murdered, I want people to actually have all the stuff I have that I'm going to expose at all. And people are already saying like, oh my God, she's psycho, dude. She actually thinks that Israel's going to kill her or something. She's just crazy. You know, it's the same stuff as like any leftist or any whoever would have thought about Charlie. If Charlie would have said, I think they're going to kill me or whatever, they would have laughed at him too until it happens, right? And like I said, we don't know. We absolutely do not know who killed Charlie Kirk. But I think the number

one thing is we have to continue to ask the questions. And if we don't have people like Candace Soans that are doing the dirty work exposing as much as they possibly can, even within the Turning Point USA organization, or people outside of the Turning Point USA organization, then all we have is the official narrative. That's all we have. And I'm not saying that the official narrative isn't even true. But what we do know is there's a lot of lies that are happening and for some reason. And we don't know exactly what those reasons are, but it is strange.

Here's Candace Owens. Let's listen to a little bit of her latest show. Yes, yes, yes. Who will succeed Charlie Kirk? Who shall inherit the turning point throne? You know what, you guys? The best part of all of this for me is unlike those ill-begotten errors on the show, I have a 0% interest in Charlie's empire. I am not motivated by the idea of carrying on his torch. Not for a single moment did I think any person could carry on his torch. If you thought you could, you clearly did not know Charlie Kirk. Charlie was in fact an anomaly in the system. It happens rarely.

And yeah, I don't know that I will live to see another person like him. I want you guys to know something. I want to share this with you. You can take it or you can leave it. But Charlie was betrayed. I know this. I've known this really since the first seconds, but I rarely have vivid dreams. And I did, in fact, have a.

very vivid one over the weekend. In fact, last time that I had... I want to stop here because people have been making crazy fun of Candace Owens about this. Now, Sherry, we've talked a little bit about what Candace Owens is about to say on other podcast episodes. And this is what the, what I would call like, you know, they're trying to call anybody that questions Charlie Kirk's assassination or or questions Israel or any of that. You know what they're calling those people on the right now? woke right. They're trying to separate the right by calling woke right and just regular right. People that agree with Israel, people that do not agree with Israel. If you agree and are on Israel's

doorstep beating down their door saying, we love you, Israel, you're right. If you are questioning Israel in any way, shape, or form, you are woke right. Or if you're questioning narratives on anything that is not pro-right agenda or whatever the case is, even the Epstein files, keep in mind, you are then woke right. If you don't believe that Trump's saying that the Epstein files is a hoax. If you don't believe that, then you're woke right. So they're already separating people. But one of the things they're doing also is that Candace makes this analogy here.

That's something that she had experienced in her life before. And it's something that Sherry's talked about. And we've talked about this quite a bit on the show. But of course, people on the what I actually call the woke right, the people like Ashton Forbes, the people like misfit Patriot and all these other idiots. Those people are actually the woke right. They are, I don't even think they're right at all. I literally just think they are paid an influence to officiate a narrative. I don't think they're right whatsoever.

But here is what Candace said about a dream. A super vivid dream. I was pregnant. It tends to happen a lot to women when they're pregnant. But in that dream from 2023, my former producer of the show and I were standing in the control room and she told me that she was 26 weeks pregnant. This is in the dream. And she told me exactly what month the baby was coming.

I asked her in the dream, is it a boy? Is it a girl? And she said, it's a boy. I woke up and I immediately texted my producer in real life. And I said, hey, you're pregnant just so you know it's a boy. And then she found out that she was pregnant one week later. She had no idea when I texted her. And it's something that we reflected on a couple of months later because she was just totally shocked looking back on it. And this is our text chain from, you can see, 2003. She said, you texted me June 16th. And I think I got pregnant June 26. This is crazy. And it's going to be a boy. It's nuts. I said, I'm telling you, your baby visited me. It was an insanely vivid dream. He was on his way. And she said that is so bizarre. My mom also texted me that week saying that she had a dream. I was pregnant. I said, I haven't had a

vivid since. It's been my only vivid dream this entire pregnancy. I believe people can communicate in dreams on their way in and on their way out of this world. I similarly, like I just said, had a vivid dream this weekend and Charlie came to me and he told me that he was betrayed. And so for me, you don't have to believe that, but I do believe that. And it was the immediate sense I got actually and I don't know who exactly it is that betrayed him. But I also felt in the dream that it is soon going to be revealed, that it's actually inevitable, that it is going to be revealed, that there is nothing and no one that is going to stop the truth from coming out and it is going to have international consequences.

Take that to the bank. Quote me on that. Women tend to have a stronger intuition about people, I would say. I think it was the writer-producer Conrad Flynn that recently went on to Tucker Carlson's show. And he discussed that, discussed that phenomenon in the context of the persecution of Christ. He's talking about Pontius Pilate's wife, warning him not to persecute Jesus. Take a listen to that portion of their conversation. And if you look at Pontch's pilot, Pontius Pilot, you know, he wants to set, at some point he flips.

And he's like, you know, this guy is innocent. My wife is having dreams about this man. That's another thing that's underreported in history. Wife as soothsayer slash dreamer. I mean, your wife has many times been like, I have a bad feeling about this guy, Tucker. Don't have him on your show. And her intuition is such that even though there's no necessarily hard evidence, you know, It's your wife's take on stuff.

You don't ignore it. But that's... I have ignored it. You're like, I've actually never listened to that. I know. I mean, I've been married 34 years as of Saturday. And it's like a joke in my house, you know. I told you he was bad.

I don't know. He's hilarious. He's like a good guy to me. That's hilarious. Yeah. So you'd be the Pontchus palette which she's like, oh, did you... Don't arrest this, man.

I had a dream. 100%. And you're like, whatever, I'm doing my work right now. I'm very shallow. So someone's, someone who's amusing or fun to have dinner with, you know, I just get swept away. I like that guy. You know what I mean? You're like, Brabis was amazing on that podcast.

I got, I got to have him on these. He's fantastic. That's actually really funny because I'm recapping conversations that I've had with Tucker where I'm like, I don't know why you trust that person at all. It's obviously a bad guy. He's like, really, I like him, but I had a really nice dinner with him. Anyways, obviously what they're accurately describing. And I should say, especially between a husband and a wife. And definitely my relationship with my husband, I can say that from almost the very moment that I learned that Charlie was not going to make it, I said to George through tears that he was betrayed.

And now we're all just sort of on this journey to find out by who. So I released a text message yesterday. I dropped it on the world and it caused, and this is putting it mildly, a lot of panic. As I said, the chatter on X was top tier. Emphasis on the tear because there were a lot of them being shed by everyone who was discounting me. She's this, she's that, she's lying. Charlie never changed his mind. He was committed to Israel to the day he died.

In fact, he almost died for Israel. That was the vibe they were putting down and I was getting angrier and angrier and angrier. But self-control always pays off. There were moments on X where people were, after this text message was revealed, almost like bargaining. Like, please, this can't be real. let me show you they're making fake messages themselves. This is how easy it is to make a fake message that this cannot be real. This was the first thing I saw after Candace dropped the text messages.

And she said, here's the messages. And on X, what was it? Everybody that is the woke right, the actual woke right, the actual POS people, they're not even right. These people are just either paid or influenced to come in and try to break up the right, try to break up the narrative and the mindset of people that are actually thinking, you know, the people like us, people are listening to this episode,

it's not even the right or left, is people that are awake and are asleep. Is the people that are either, you know, completely blinded by money or influence or whatever, is those people versus people that have been seeking truth about everything for a very long time. And so what were they doing? Yes, they were all over social media. And I can't even tell you how many messages I responded

to the next day after turning point USA came out and said, hey, here's the deal, guys. I responded to so many messages said, how did this end for you? This, and most of these people, by the way, most of these people that tried to say that these text messages were all fake and they were all bullshit and Candace made them up, all those people, they turned their comments off of all their post because they didn't want to hear it. They wanted to move on. So they would move on, make another three or four post.

And it was just like it never happened. And then the next thing Candace says, the next thing they're running with was her dreams. So they were saying, oh yeah. So Charlie came to Candace in her dreams now. And so where's the receipts for your dreams, Candace? You know, it's just like, this is what people are doing. They're doing any and everything to discredit her.

And when people are doing this and you see big influencers that just completely abandoned, whatever the hell it was, a lot of these guys were doing the paid propaganda shit for a long time anyways. You can just tell who these people are. Cat turds one of them, misfit patriot. I mean, you name them. But then you see people like Ashton that we're talking about something completely different. Now all of a sudden talking about this particular thing, trying to discredit people that are actually doing investigative work, Ashton, like, you know, that you supposedly were doing about MH370.

You know, that's what you were supposedly doing about MH370. But yet, and by the way, Candace Owens brought you on her show to let you tell the world about your investigative journey through MH370. she gave you one of the biggest platforms you've ever been on. And then for you just to come back and completely shit on her is pretty, pretty wrong in my opinion. And by the way, I don't expect anything less than what's going to happen after this episode. Well, I was just going to relay to that when Candace dropped these text messages, she did name drop one name too. And when she started dropping names, I knew she had evidence. She knew what she was talking about because she's not going to just drop somebody's name and not follow through or have something to back.

it up. Yeah. And by the way, she she's doing a live as we speak right now. And she's dropping another name tonight that is in that message thread. So anyways, let's listen some more. They were accusing, deluding themselves into believing whatever was necessary for them not to accept the reality that I was telling the truth. Of course, I was telling the truth. Here's just a few of my favorites. This is Village Crazy Lady who I love Mel, who was responding to an absurdity that was being presented by Ashton Forbes. Mel said, these losers are down so bad right now that they are literally using their own attack lines for defense. Ashton Forbes wrote, he's been absolutely maniacal. First off, Candace has no credibility. Second, there's a bunch of Telegram group chat scams that claim to be

real people. I was briefly in touch with one Elon Musk. Oh, really? You were in touch with Elon Musk on telegram. Third, if you discount the text messages between Tyler Robinson and his trans furry lover, you cannot take these at face value. Lastly, even if the text messages were real, they mean literally nothing related to Charlie's death. I find it scary how Candace is building a literal cult. Soon, they'll be drinking a Kool-Aid in sync with, I don't even know if that says 31 Atlas to be sent to heaven. I think it might be a cult actually. That's how not, I'm not in a cult at all, so much I don't even recognize was probably a very big cult's name. And I love that Mel replies and says, bro, if I got scammed in a telegram group chat by Elon Musk,

quote unquote, I'd take that ish to my grave. Britta, you can see, she's also replying, he was replying to Britta, no soup for Knowles. So you want to bring that right back up. She wrote, and by the way, she used to work for Seth Dillon. So this is the usual chatter, a group of people. She wrote, is Candice posting fake group chat screenshots to, to, conveniently back up her narrative that Charlie was dropping the pro-Israel cause and inviting Candace to the TPUS stage.

I'm just asking questions. Off there, we allow questions. We even allow diagnoses. We're all, we're chill. We're on the side of truth. We are so chill. Laura Lumer, who is legally just, you know, not allowed to own a gun because she's a literal lunatic, had the nerve to post this about me.

When somebody called her out, Morgan Ariel said, Laura Lumer hasn't made a single post about Candice Owens reporting on Charlie Kirk's group messages, we all know she's the first to run her mouth. And she wrote because I don't give an F about Candace Owens and her postpartum psychotic rants. Even if those texts are real, still does not mean that Israel killed Charlie Kirk. I never said that. Candice Owens makes content for low IQ people who don't understand how criminal investigations work. It's going to be hilarious when she is sued by TPA USA in addition to McCrone's wife. Yes, bankrupt her for telling the truth.

do it do it bankrupt her yeah well candace did come out and say that she's a dude that he's a dude yeah that the wife that he's a dude that the wife is a dude that the wife is a dude is that what you're officially saying now that is kind of like defaming somebody well it is but i mean we still don't actually for those that don't know um she or he whoever whatever mcron's wife or husband is and also keeping in mind there are actual i think credible images of McCrone actually like making out with dudes on this boat and stuff so I mean there's that and then there are actual also credible pictures of McCrone's wife that looks very suss and this is not even like the Mike.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say. This is just kind of like Mike Obama. It's not though, but it's not. It's deeper than that. And so the interesting thing I believe, and I did not look into this completely, but from what I understand is I don't even think that McCrone's wife, whatever. Bridget is that her name? Yeah, Bridget.

Is that his name? Anyways, I don't even think, I don't even think that he or she is suing Candace for that is something else. Oh, really? Yeah, it's very weird. But you notice all that started when they were on a plane and she got caught or he or whatever got cut smacking him on the plane. So all that came from.

Yeah, I mean, he got he got be slapped. But, you know, but this is also the thing. So obviously, Candace is calling out Ashton based on what he had said. And this is what I think Ashton wants. He wants to get as much wave and as much attention on some of his post calling out people like Candace and stuff. But what just still doesn't make sense to me about Ashton is like, guy, you are supposedly this dude that has said that, you know, you believe in one of possibly the biggest conspiracy theories in history about these orbs that are teleporting an airplane. that has disappeared into oblivion. I mean, you, you are this guy.

You are also the guy that says the government's hiding all this shit from us. And we can't trust the government. We can't do this until all of a sudden, oh, no, no, no, no. We got to trust the government, guys. And it's just like on an ex post I had the other day. And I think some of these people are Ashton, followers and whatever. And this person says, oh, yeah, yeah, let's look at Candace's credibility versus the FBI. You're going to believe Candace, really?

And I'm like, seriously? Are you really asking me whether I, I should believe Candace Owens versus the FBI. No one trust the FBI. Well, I did start having trust when Patel came in and Dan Burgino, Bonino came in. I started trusting him like, they're going to do the right thing. They're going to expose all the FBI before them and show us how corrupt and, you know,

how bad they were. They're going to show us all the evidence. Well, once they didn't show the evidence of the Epstein files and everything else, the JFK files, the alien files, you know, they said on, They won. They already had them. They knew them. They read them.

They've seen them. They're going to put it out there and they still haven't. That's when I lost, I guess, my faith. Yeah, my faith, not even loyalty, my faith towards the new FBI. Yeah, it's just the FBI. It's the government machine that lies to us on a regular basis. And so, you know, this is just what blows my mind. It's like with Ashton, for example, he was anti-government, anti-like, you better tell me what the reality of this is.

And now all this says, oh, Charlie Kirk died. No, no, no, no. Believe everything the government is saying now. Believe exactly all the evidence and do not question anything. And if you do, you're a low IQ idiot psychopath. That's what he's saying. And you're in a cult. Anyways.

Yeah. When you are down bad, just like Mel says, really down bad. Nothing is left. You just sue. Anyways, back to how unhinged, just chatter was on X, generally speaking. I laughed out loud. Everybody uses the term Blitzkrieg. And even the NFL football team say Blitzkrieg. Yes, it relates back to Germany.

It's a bombardment strategy. So that's why we use it when you're going to bombard. And so I called it Blitzkrieg week because we're just dropping a bunch of bombs. And Britta decided to take that literally. She said, Candice thinks it's cute to use Nazi terminology and make a turning point pun, while she incites further harassment of TPP USA employees by implicating them in Charlie's death, it's a sick game for her. And out of nowhere, Megan Kelly needs to stop making excuses for this vile behavior.

I have no idea why Megan Kelly is being just abused. It's like people just get drunk and beat Megan Kelly when they get home. I don't know what is happening and why she's being dragged into anything that I say, but it's exceptional that they're now looking, they're so desperate. That German words, you can't even say blitz. means lightning. Krieg means war. Last I checked, people are still allowed to speak German. And last I check, everybody uses the terminology Blitz. Blitz-Krieg. Washington Post certainly does from the describing things that's happening at the White House. But now this is how desperate

they are for anything. Grasping at straws. Nick Fuentes, our routine federal informant wrote, writes this. Why did she sit on this for four weeks and then censor the other names? So just grasping at straws. Just grasping its draws here. You follow that up by taking a stab at Charlie Kirk who's dead. Charlie Kirk said he had no choice to leave the pro-Israel cause because a Jewish donor stopped giving him millions of dollars. What a coincidence. He had his great epiphany about Israel after they stopped paying him to Shill. Speaking of paying people to Shill, it's why I didn't take one minute or one sentence rather of him trying to he eulogize Charlie Kirk seriously because that right there is the real Nick Fuentes.

The quartering jumped in. He says, a serious question. Let's assume the text surreal and that Charlie was 100% serious and not just being sarcastic, which is totally possible. What exactly does this prove? Think before you reply, what does it prove other than someone close to him was fine leaking his texts? That's been there a new talking point.

How dare you leak text messages? And finally, this is just funny. So we're going to show you this. Community notes for the win. The misfit Patriot writes, I will give Candace every single shekel. Israel has paid me for my posts. If she can prove those text messages are real.

Update says community notes. Andrew Colvette confirmed the screen grab was real. Of course it was real. I mean, I would have to be the... And the misfit Patriot, by the way, I've gotten some back and forth with this moron. This guy, I think, is the biggest moron on the entirety of the X platform. he is 100%.

But you're just being like Ashton when you're calling No, no, but he is because he All he does is propagandize. All he does is propagandize. He baits, he ragebates, he talks shit about people, he consistently puts other people down. This is what he does.

He loves it because even later on, I think the next day he talked about how much money he made from X by some of his posts that he got three million views on because Candice Owen shared some of his stuff because he's just being an idiot. right and and and and and just an idiot by saying anyone that believes there's anything other than the official narrative of charlie kirk is just anti-semitic you are anti-semitic you are a piece

of shit you are this and it's always funny they're they're taking up for these religious causes and if you go and watch some of their videos and how they talk to people and how they like speak it's like dang man if you're if you're if you're taking up for israel i mean i would think Israel will be paying you to shut the hell up. Honestly. I mean, I honestly think that. If I was Israel and watching Misfit Patriot, Ashton Forbes, some of these people, I would, I would be paying them $10,000 to just keep your damn mouth shut.

Yeah, because it's making Israel looking bad. Yeah, keep talking about whatever you were once talking about. Well, and I just wanted to point out what Candice was saying about these text messages, people saying that, oh, they're fake or whatever. But you got to think about what's going on in our government and what's been going on on our government for a very long time. You think about Comey right now. He's, you know, going to get rid.

He pleaded not guilty and he's going on trial for getting into seven senators' emails and text messages and lying about it. But he was, they were actually in their emails and text messaging and getting all this information from Republican senators. Yeah. And if you don't think that this Charlie Kirk text could be slipped out, look at. look at what happened to these senators yeah yeah and and the funny thing is it's not even the fbi that's doing this you know the this this is just candace and her team and people you know and people forget that canada soans was a like one of the originals at turning point USA with charlie kirk you know she she grew up kind of with charlie kirk in this movement and people just forget

that people think that she just don't have connections she was more of a mentor towards charlie yeah because she's older in charlie kirk she charlie kirk really looked up to her you know, Andrew Bolin or whatever his name is that went on Patrick Bad David a couple weeks ago where he said that anything Candace Owen's just saying about anything that Charlie Kirk said about Israel or like any of that. Like he didn't talk to Candace. He basically disavowed Candace. That's all came out to be complete lies. She proved that was a lie that she was there in May. And he's on the board of Turning Point USA.

So they're doing damage control the best they possibly can. And there's a reason for that because they know that like, for example, if this Israel thing gets out of hand, they're going to lose a lot of money and a lot of donors. Well, and I don't know if we're going to talk about the text messages, what actually was in there. Yeah, we are. Yeah, we are. Okay, because I was going to say, it's all about Tucker going on to a turning point. Yeah, we are.

And that he was thinking about bringing Candace Owens on. Yeah. And I, but I did kind of find that fishy that that was in the text message and here's Candice exposing it. Yeah. Fisie about what? Like, how do you, what do you mean? That she's exposing that he was going to bring Candace on, you know, it just, it just, it makes

me feel, I don't know. Well, it's not on Candace's a side. How would it be on Candace's side? This is literally, this was like messages and confidence in a group message. So of course she's going to expose this. And I guess, you know, I mean. Yeah, because it's against her. Yeah.

Anyways, let's listen to a little bit more of Candace. This person ever, first off, I'm not even inclined towards tech, but also would have to be an absolutely a moron to try to figure out how to manufacture text messages for the purpose of releasing them to then probably get sued by every person. that was not in the chat. Like, I'm just like, hey, Josh Hammer received this message. That'd be so dumb. But like I said, these people were desperate for it not to be real because they've been lying

so hard about everything. They've just been lying. And they have some egg on their face now. And reality hit them pretty quickly this morning when Andrew Colvette, turning points, spokesperson, confirmed that the messages were in fact real. He did this on the Charlie Kirk show. And actually, I don't think it's dramatic to state that this may be the first respectable measure taken by Turning Point USA executives since the passing of Charlie Kirk,

like the first respectable response. And yeah, I thought that that was, I will compliment that. Just the action of Andrew Colvette addressing it head on instantly was good. So let's hear Andrew Colvette in his own words. But I want to take the start of this show to address some of the things that have been going around on public, namely about a tech. a group text chain that has been made known and released by Candace Owens. And I just want to dress it head on because, you know, that was a text grab, a screen grab that I had shared with people. So it is authentic. And I want to go into it because I actually am really excited that the truth is out there.

I first want to say the reason I didn't share that screen grab publicly is because it was a private exchange. And I felt like it didn't necessarily comport with things that were already public. I wanted to not betray my friends' trust in that way. But I did share it with some people in government because it happened really quick. It took 33 hours for authorities to get their suspect. And in those first moments, we wanted no stone unturned. We wanted to leave nothing unturned. So I shared it with a few people.

Don't know where it went from there, apparently. but here we are. So one of the reasons, Blake, that I'm glad to have this now public, it was not mine to share publicly, but, you know, one of the criticisms we've been, we've received is that we don't care, we're not investigating every lead, we're not looking under every stone, and that somehow we're just like, you know, sweeping things under the rug. And when I say that we want justice for Charlie more than anybody else, I really mean it, and no stone unturned. I mean. I mean, I don't know if you want to chime in on that part alone, but I have more to say.

Yeah. So it's, it has been so frustrating to have people blow up about this. And we've stated, I've certainly stated publicly. The reason I haven't waited on things is I am an eyewitness to events. And they've said, don't comment on things because anything you say can mess that up. I don't want to mess up any trial for the person who did this. That's a thousand percent right. And I will say I wasn't an eyewitness.

I was not there. I flew to Utah immediately to be with the family and the team, but I was not an eyewitness. So there's that. But I am aware that in my role as spokesman for Turning Point USA, which is another hat I wear, the things I say, I'm cognizant of the fact that things I say could negatively impact an ongoing investigation, all right? But I will weigh in specifically on this issue of Israel because I know there's a lot of fascination. And I just want to say that, you know, we have to let free speech be our North

Star here. Charlie was adamantly free speech. And I am not personally going to impugn anybody's character who is asking questions and looking for answers. All right. And I will say that that text chain is consistent with public frustrations that he voiced many times. And I know, Blake, you were in the trenches on a lot of this stuff because we were workshopping how we were going to do the tour and what we was, you know, he's going to get asked about Israel. What he's going to say? And this is consistent with things that he told his friends, people that are, you know, in the water wider movement about his wrestle that he was going. And so I just want to say, like, what is the truth about the way Charlie felt about Israel? Well, it's complicated and it's nuanced. And it was a wrestle that was going on for months. and it's probably somewhere between the BB letter and the text.

So what do we think? Okay, obviously. I want to pause because I guess we got to quickly get to the actual text that they're referring to because I don't know. I don't think Candace covers this. But Charlie Kirk says just lost another huge Jewish donor. Two million a year because we won't cancel Tucker. I'm thinking of inviting Candace. Someone in the chat, which we don't know who that person was, says,

Charlie Kirk says, Jewish donors play into all of the stereotypes. I cannot and will not be bullied like this, leaving me no choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause. And then someone said, please don't invite Candace. That might feel good short term, but it's not good long term. In my opinion, like all groups, you're going to get wide variety of opinions. That nasty free will thing that God bestowed on us makes life frustrating at times. So this was essentially the text messages.

He says, I'm pretty much done. Can't do the pro-Israel stuff anymore. And I'm not going to be blackmailed by Israel. And by the way, I want to mention, too, that when Tucker was coming on, Charlie Kirk did tell Tucker, do not hold back. Say whatever you need to say. Say what you want to say. Don't hold back because this is what I am preaching about is freedom of speech,

no matter whose side you're on. Yeah, and we got to remember, like, we got to quit. we got to quit categorizing Charlie Kirk as pro-Israel and start categorizing Charlie Kirk as who he was, which was Christian. Okay. I mean, I just want to make something very, very, very abundantly clear. Charlie Kirk was not Jewish. He was not from Israel.

He didn't live in Israel. He visited Israel many times, a couple times, I believe. He did all the regular things that people do. like if you're in Congress or Senate or whatever you go, touched a wall, put a yarmica on, I think is what it's called. Is it a yarmika?

Gosh, Chad. Well, no, but you do all those things. And then they take pictures of you. You don't put a yamika on if you're not Jewish. Well, I think no.

I mean, well, I don't know. You better ask some of the Congress people and the senators that do that. Trump has done it before. But I think that only if you're Jewish, you're supposed to do that. Well,

I don't know. I don't know. All I know is the yamika is to shield your head from, from God to cover it up or something. Okay, well, either way. But what I'm saying is that the number one thing we have to take away from this is instead of the argument of how pro-Israel Charlie was, we have to remember that Charlie was 100%. If it could be 200%, he was pro-Jesus.

And he was literally picking up the Bible. He was picking up the word. He was picking up the gospel that Jesus commanded all of Christians to do and go out and speak even in the face of death. And that's what Charlie Kirk did. And literally, that's what ended Charlie Kirk's life. It was because of his faith and his loyalty to Jesus Christ, not Israel. So I just want to make something very clear just about that.

This is not about the argument of how pro-Israel was Charlie Kirk. The reality is that we should be talking about how pro-Christian, how pro-Jesus, how pro-that everything that Charlie Kirk did, he was guided by Jesus Christ. That is what we should be talking about. but instead we're talking about how pro-Israel was Charlie and how pro how anti-Israel was he and that just pisses me off because there are two different religions there is a religion that believes in Jesus as a savior and there is one that does not and that's the way it is and charlie was the one that believed in Jesus Christ as the savior of all people but it's interesting when he got

shot because everybody was looking up what was his last words when he got shot he was talking about transsexual shootings. Yeah. And he was talking, I think, about gang related shootings as well. Yeah, the last thing he said was like gang something, yeah. Yeah. And they were talking about shootings. And a lot of people were reading into that.

What I will say, too, is that, you know, there's a video of the last moments of Charlie Kirk where as he falls to the ground, you got to think of how much he was kind of losing blood and all this stuff during his time. So likely a lot of people say that, you know, he was likely probably probably dead within a certain very short time, or at least unconscious and all that stuff, right? You may not have, your heart may have still been beating up to a certain point, but he was not conscious. Yeah, you were not conscious.

Probably didn't feel anything either because that quick loss of blood, you're going to lose all of your consciousness. And, but there's that video out there that it literally shows that his arm comes up and points to the sky. Yeah, reaching to like heaven. Yeah. And that, that's like one of the most, that's what that's, that's something that like really gets to me when I see that video. And it's, I think I'm pretty positive that video has been

confirmed real. It couldn't be anybody else's hand but his. And it was literally him pointing in the sky. And so I'm just sick of this argument about how pro-Israel Charlie Kirk was versus not. I think it's been pretty abundantly clear what Charlie Kirk's stance was in the months leading up to his assassination. So let's just move past that now. And let's listen to some more of Kansas. Well, and I think real quick too, though, he, was pro-Israel for the most part. And he had a lot of Israel donors and a lot of Jewish donors that were on his side. And like these texts come out and say, he started saying, no, you know, I'm America first.

And I'm not going to be bullied into protecting Israel when I don't feel like that's what I should be doing. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. All right. Here you go. You can tell he's anxious. You can tell he's nervous speaking about this. I am sure it was positively frantic at Turning Point USA.

yesterday. I am sure he had very little sleep. And like I say, never the fun thing to be the spokesperson and also to be involved in the story. I can tell you right off the bat. He is telling the truth. He was not the person who shared that message with me. He also should know that he was not the only person who sent that message and sent messages around. So there are a lot circulating, some videos that are circulating. And yeah, he's being honest about that portion. I personally, as someone who knows Andrew Colvin, I want to express how I feel. I hold it against him, actually, that he didn't share it with me. He knew I cried out of the phone with Andrew.

He knew how I was feeling. And then I went under a very, well, you could say a blitzkrieg, right? A heavy bombardment from people who he knows hated Charlie, who tried to stop Charlie, people who had no issues showing up to his memorial. I mean, really gross stuff who were attacking me. And he could have at least provided some cover. Now, I'm not saying that I need help, but sometimes it's nice to offer somebody a lifeboat

when they're being attacked for telling the truth, right? So I do want to say that. Also, I'm glad that Andrew responded correctly because I was going to say this when Blake's like, well, you know, the investigation's ongoing. That text message has nothing to do with an investigation whatsoever. It has to do with the broader question of people feeling that Charlie's legacy is,

is intentionally being hijacked by Israel. I never stated that Israel killed Charlie. Anybody that has been watching this investigative series, we've come up, I mean, there hasn't even been an Israeli name that's popped up in this investigation. There's only been one Jewish person, I think that's popped up thus far in this investigation, which is George Zinn, Decoy Boy. So they're just saying that. They're just saying that.

I just wanted to say that he was under a tremendous amount of pressure. Now, regarding the other things that are circulating that have not been publicized, yet and people should know that there is an underground movement of truth tellers in this moment. Okay. There's an underground movement of nights all around the world from mom sleuths to government employees, like he said, to personal assistance to Turning Point USA donors who are working together to bring justice to Charlie because we don't like the way this feels. You just like the way it feels.

The vibes are off. I will respect, even though obviously that statement was prepared, I will respect the fact that Andrew says what Charlie would have said. And for the first time, I feel that's been expressed that we have to let free speech be our North Star. And I'm not so sure that the people, some of the people that are donating to Turning Point USA believe that. In fact, I'm certain some of them don't believe that.

Obviously, we wouldn't have that text message if they all believed that. And that is what I think has been so frustrating is that it seems as though the executives would rather, and I'm now referring to Tyler Boyer, impugned the character of the people who are doing exactly what Charlie Kirk would have done. So please. All right. So there you go. So, and we got some other clips from that same show, which we're going to fast forward to those. Sure, you had a name written down. Yeah, well, I was going to say that's not the only Jewish person that was named in all this. The first person she was talking about was Bill Ackman and that was in California. The Hampton. No, no. No, no. That's not California. The Hamptons are up in northeast.

Oh, sorry. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. Might as well be, though. Might well be California. It was Bill Hackman in the Hamptons when they kind of bombarded Charlie Kirk and they all were trying to have, I guess, an intervention with him. That's what they say. This is what's going to happen.

This is the first time Candace has brought up any Jewish names. So that's not correct what she just said because she brought up Bill Ackman. Yeah. And so with the whole intervention thing, we've not confirmed nor denied that necessarily or not we, but like other. people. There have been people that have denied that's what happened during that meeting. But we don't know because I suspect maybe Candace has some stuff about that or someone does about that actual meeting what really went down during that weekend that they brought Charlie Kirk up. Bill Ackman, for those that do not know, he is like one of the biggest Jewish donors in the world.

I mean, when it comes to like the money that he's being spent from Israel and all the stuff, Bill Ackman is one of those billionaires that spend a lot of money. He has a ton of influence in the A-PAC and Israel lobby. in the United States of America. So there is that. I want to play this clip from Candace as well where she said that she sent a life insurance policy to people that she trusted in case anything

were to happen to her based on her investigation in this. And I love the fact that she sent one of them to Andrew Tate. Yeah. Well, her and Andrew Tate, like they, you know, they've kind of went back with, you know, she's interviewed Andrew. Andrew's talked to her on his show.

So on and so forth, they, I guess, developed a decent relationship. and a lot of people believe that Andrew Tate has been, I guess you can say, attacked because he is a free thinker, a free speech person that has a huge following. Although, you know, don't get me wrong if you go back and watch and listen to some of his stuff that he said in the past, it's not hard to do that with Andrew Tate. That's a very easy thing. Yeah, well, I'm going to say I still like Andrew Tate, even though he is a, I don't want to say the word wrong. Misogynist. Yes.

I still like what he believes in because he is a. free thinker and he has a lot of good points just like Nick Poentz does. Yeah, he does. But Nick Fuentes, you know, as Candice says, Candice thinks Nick Fuentes is an agent. A Fed, yeah. And you really got to dive in your brain to figure out how he would be a Fed. No, but he could be a Fed for the anti-Israel lobby to get more support for Israel. I think that's what some people have thought. Well, it was crazy because he was a Republican and he was all gun ho about Republican, but he, you remember, when you really did not like him, he was going against Trump so

heavily. Heavily, yeah. Do you remember that? Yeah, well, I mean, no, because it was leading up to the election. He was saying, look, this is bad. You know, you guys are being morons, whatever. And I was like, okay, so it seems like someone has put him up to this. Kind of similar to kind of how Ashton is doing now, but Trump did win, you know, I don't know Nick Fuentes. I don't,

is he being funded? Is he being paid? What I do know is when he started asking questions, at least according to what we all know, when he started asking questions about Israel is when he got canceled and banned on everything, including being debanked. And he's been asking about Israel for 13 years. And it was refreshing to me when he came out and said, hey, listen, I don't think this Charlie Kirk thing was Israel. And let me tell you why.

I was like, oh, okay, maybe this guy does have some truth in him. Of course, of course you say that. Because he's not going to go against Israel just because he hates Israel. Okay. Of course you say that. Of course, Sherry, now all of a sudden likes Nick Fuentes. All right. So here is Candace Owens, what she talks about her life insurance policy.

lesson. Head this week and sent around a life insurance policy of sorts, of sorts, a package rather, to people that I trust, a package filled with text messages, emails, private communications, videos, and private legal documents. So if anything happens to me, you guys will know exactly who it is that has a making my life a living hell over the past couple of years. People that are trying to bankrupt me, trying to bankrupt me and my family that are threatening us to sue us. Everything that Kanye said was so real. Okay. I'm now at that point where you look back

and you go, man, Kanye was right. He was really saying something about what it takes to leave, you know, to fight for custody of your own soul. Just leave me alone. Let me say what I believe and you say what you believe. Fight fair. Why do you always have to make this threat to bankrupt people? And I want you to know that those people, if anything happens to me, they have my explicit permission to release it all, detonate it all, expose all of these people in politics and in the movement who behave like this behind the scenes. It's necessary. And I highly recommend every single person that is out there as a platform and is going

through things and scared. Do the same. We're doing it, Candace, even though we don't necessarily have like people send this shit besides talking shit to us because Ashton Forbes. I mean, but we'll release that as well if we need to. No, I'm kidding. And so there's the other thing, right? So Charlie Kirk was concerned for his own life 24 hours before he was assassinated.

And this is what Candace Owen says as well. Now, there's a lot of people. I just want to know who the they is or that them is. And is it related to the text messages that were leaked? I don't know. That's a good question. Is it in the same thread? That's what we don't know.

But what we do know is like some of these people like Josh Hammer that was in that thread that knew Charlie Kirk's stance about where he was with Israel. Josh Hammer literally the day before Candace released these text messages. Unfortunately for Josh Hammer, he goes on this podcast says, no, Charlie Kirk was to his dying day, 100% Israel. He didn't question anything about Israel. He was this, he was that. And Josh Hammer is like a big time bigger up in, you know, in turning point USA. So obviously, he was lying because he was in the text message thread.

This is how what I want you guys to understand is that when people like Josh Hammer and others go on big platforms and they tell you for sure, listen to me, this is the truth because I knew Charlie. I'm involved in Turnpoint USA. And then 24 hours later, oh, here you go. They're like, oh, well, you were a complete liar now. No one should believe anything that comes out of your mouth whatsoever. And also, Josh Hammer, was it 48 hours before Charlie Kirk's assassination or something like that?

He literally goes back to a post of Donald Trump, where Donald Trump said we should bring back public executions. This post was from Donald Trump in 2014. 2013. 13 and 14. And so like 48 hours before, Josh Hammer post this tweet of what Donald Trump said in 13 or 14. And he retweeted it and quoted it by saying based.

Like, you know, yeah, this is a good tweet. So that's weird, right? I mean, very strange. Anyways.

But here is, here's what Canada said about what Charlie feared 24 hours before his death. I want to say one more thing rather explosively. Three people told me off record. Two people who have this in a written communication from Charlie. One, who was a Turning Point USA donor, and I would say very much one of the white nights in this, the very day before Charlie Kirk died, he expressed that he thought he was going to be killed. he told these people I think they're going to kill me.

Okay? He did not express that to me. So I am telling you this based off the testimony of three people. And I am saying this because I hope that these people who I think are good will be inspired to come forward with that. Again, those conversations I had were off record. I honor that. If I say it's off record, it stays off record.

But I'm hoping that watching what I am doing and feeling the energy that is rising across the world for people who want to know what the heck happened on not. nine, ten, that, you know, they will be brave and they will say, yeah, Charlie did the day before he died. I think that he was going to be killed and maybe tell us who is they. Well, for once and for all, who is they? Who is the they that he thought was going to kill him? Yeah.

So who is they? That is a question. And by the way, who she's talking about is one of these people that has the text message threads of when Charlie Kirk said that, oh, by the way, we did. actually have one thing that we actually have a connection to in this whole thing. So I forgot about this. Well, there's a couple of things that we have. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Phil Lyman and then, you know, and then this particular thing. But when she says that there was a donor that also has this text message from Charlie Kirk, and there was, I think two that has it in text or three. But one of them was someone that wrote her a letter. And I believe this is the person, right? She did not say this. But I believe this is the person only because I know who this person is. she actually says the name and I don't know this person personally but I know someone that knows

this person I guess you can say and so I think this is the person that actually has that text thread with Charlie Kirk the brother's cousins no no no no no no what the brothers cousin's half sister I thought you're about to say like I thought you're about to say something like crazy but so here is Candace someone's reading this letter from a donor which I believe potentially this donor is the person that actually has one of these text messages about what Charlie Kirk said that he believes they are going to kill him. And the only reason I believe that is because I've talked to someone that thinks that, well, they know this donor number one and then number two.

Yeah, let's just leave you that. We'll let you hear what Candace says here. It's ironically, this is the very donor that. So I was just so, I was happy, brought literal tears to my eyes when a donor from Turning Point USA, a donor that actually then. unlocked a whole another level of donations for Charlie Kirk through introductions that he made for Charlie. And a donor who it's, ironically, this is the very donor that when I said to Charlie, we need to be in the UK, we need to be in the UK. And he was like, well, I know somebody who I could maybe have set up an event.

We can start Turning Point UK. And that event was when I first laid eyes on George. Not when I spoke to him, but when I actually first laid eyes on him, that donor issued a public statement. And I think he will be the first of many donors that might make a public statement. And he made this statement in my favor. This was written by him and his wife, two wonderful people, John and Irina Mappen. I'm just going to read it because I think these words don't just eloquently express how I'm feeling, but I think these words eloquently might express how we are all feeling worldwide. Like I read this and I said to myself, I couldn't have written this better myself with all the time in the world. John and Arena write, Charlie Kirk built Turning Point USA on transparency, free speech, and a relentless pursuit of truth.

We are witness to that. If Candace Owens had been assassinated, Charlie would have torn apart every lie and devoted every working day and night to uncovering the full truth. He would not have trusted the authorities to deliver justice. He would have demanded it from the rooftops. Charlie would not have waited for the funeral or memorial to happen. He would have gotten to work immediately. He would have worked night and day to uncover exactly what had happened to his great friend. Consider this. Charlie did not sleep for several days and several nights just to ensure that J.D. Vance became the vice presidential nominee. And although that job was supremely important

for the country and its future, it was still ultimately simply helping to secure a job promotion. Canis is working to get to the truth of who killed Charlie Kirk and why they did it. Charlie's execution is an assassination with potentially far-reaching political consequences for America and the world. What we have seen so far, beggars belief. A crime scene apparently completely destroyed in days and plenty of evidence that simply does not add up. This investigation and the truthful answer as to who was really responsible for deciding that Charlie would be executed in front of the world will affect America's future, its collective soul, and conscience forever. The truth, when known, and we believe it will be known, will have far-reaching international consequences. The very idea that someone could be convicted and could receive the death penalty

when there remains even the slightest shadow of doubt or shred of uncertainty that they may not be guilty of that crime, and that Christian souls would tolerate that possibility is anathema to all the teachings of Christ. If there were circumstances where a suspect or someone standing trial for murder did not have a clean opportunity, to receive the very best and fairest legal representation to present their case and defense to the world, it would have been abhorrent to Charlie Kirk. It would go against every constitutional principle that he lived, fought, and died for. Erica is in mourning. May God bless her and her family. Please give her and her family time to grieve. Any civilized culture, Christian, or otherwise allows a grieving widow 40 days of mourning to make peace with the Lord and to respect the departed. Those people who

truly love her would gladly grant her all the space she needs, we certainly do. But we are growing rather sick and ashamed of seeing people criticize Candace for doing her level best to get to the bottom of and to the truth of what happened to Charlie on that day. You don't have to agree with Candace on every subject that she addresses on her shows to acknowledge that much of what she is presenting on the subject of Charlie's death is extremely concerning to America and to the world, completely valid and very relevant to the investigation. She has an army of truth seekers worldwide who are helping her in her search and her research. this is a truly new and modern phenomenon that has never happened before.

This is not 1963, and boomers need to get used to it. In our view, the official investigation should be immediately ordered by the appropriate legal authority to proactively share everything they know with Candace and her selected team. That is, if truth and real understanding of who decided to assassinate Charlie and why is the sincere objective. That would go some way towards restoring public trust in the system. It is our view that her actions are not just the actions that any real friend would take for their friend. They are the actions of the highest order of patriotism.

Kansas' actions are service to the whole country and to the world. Beyond that, they are truly providential, divinely inspired, and metaphysical. There is a relationship between truth and all living things. There is a relationship between truth and God. Right now, Turning Point USA is at a vital moment. If we continue to witness the mistreatment and the suppression of a young woman and a mother of four young children who is doing everything she can to help get to the truth about who decided that her friend and fellow freedom fighter Charlie had to die, they will lose the country and the world. And America will have lost one of its greatest living patriots only to see those factors against which he fought and died for when. Canis is extremely valid point that hers has so far been one of the only public voices from Charlie's closest friends questioning the absurd.

of some of the communications regarding what happened and demanding clarity is well made. And frankly, that point alone is shocking to the world. We have been receiving calls from senior Republicans and from turning point donors who agree with her all last week and they started up again this week. They agree with Candace, but seeing the attacks that she is experiencing, they are terrified to voice their views publicly. Is that really where we are in 2025? Few people following the matter believe the official version, the virgin version.

A low minority believe that the current suspect is guilty. That statistic alone is an awful commentary on the state of the official investigation. The world wants truth. The world, Charlie, and those who truly loved him and knew his purposes certainly deserved justice. But justice needs not just to be done. It needs to be seen to be done justly. I want to read that sentence again because it's very powerful. Justice needs not just to be done. It needs to be seen to be done justly. It must be truthful, it must be fair, and it must be clean. If there are videos, show them. If there is evidence, show it.

The world is not going to accept anything less. This is not about who is right or wrong or whose theory is correct. Candice's investigation is about actually getting to the truth, whatever that truth is. If the current theory for the shooter is truth, then okay, that is a lie, then we need to know. Every episode of Candice's show since Charlie died from her heartfelt emotional tribute to her exceptional journalism has been incredible, and anyone who cares for the truth and who wants to know who killed Charlie for real, should watch every episode in its sequence. The fact is that we are being told as his friends or simply as people who had never heard of

Charlie Kirk before his assassination simply does not make sense to the vast majority. It feels like gaslighting. It feels like we are being lied to. It is not hard to tell the truth to the public or to present the clear facts that illustrate the truth clearly. Many extremely ethical people helped to build turning point in all associated groups, turning point action and turning point faith. Many of these people are existing and potential future donors. We know many of them.

Ethical people will not stand for lies or injustice either privately or publicly. The existing and future donors who were friends of Charlie's and those he loved deserve no less. But please spare us the absurd and evil suppression of suggesting that Candace should not be doing exactly what she is doing. She's doing no more and no less than what her friend Charlie would have done for her. Her actions are far more reasonable and experiential. and an assassin's bullet to the throat. Consider for a moment the evil of possibly allowing the conviction

of a potentially innocent party with the death penalty. We can only begin to imagine the wrath of God and how upset Charlie will be if an innocent man were to be executed for his assassination and what ill fortune

would befall a Christian country and the individuals that would allow this. In this sense, Christianity and a leading Christian democracy are now on trial. there's a special place in eternity reserved for those who would allow such an injustice. If Turning Point and Charlie left in charge,

if Turning Point and those who Charlie left in charge failed to stay true to the principles and purposes on which Charlie founded it, and with which he and Candace originally breathed life into it during its formative years, then Turning Point will end up like MySpace. It will become just one more ineffective and rather dull has-been activity. I believe that God has other plans for Charlie and for his legacy. A cover up of the truth is not in my view part of God's plans. I believe that people of goodwill from all over the world will ensure that. Keep going, Candace.

Charlie is walking with you every step of the way. He loves you deeply and you are right about your friendship with him. Never right any time. Through all the challenges that the political arena and life brought, did he ever withdraw his friendship from you, Candace? You are an eternal cornerstone in his life and his legacy. What a great friend you are being to him. We're all witness to that, all of our love, John and Arena.

Oh, it's going to make me cry again. It's just like I really needed it. I don't know. I just really needed it. Like it's just, I feel like I kind of went through a process where I was going like in those two weeks following. Was any of it real? You know, like I, when I expressed to you that I felt that Charlie's life was like the Truman show. And then I know that's how you guys felt because we were, we were just expecting a fight.

We were just expecting a fight. And instead it seems like the very things that Charles, Harley was fighting. Lice, no matter what they were. I want to pause there because that video is pretty much done. And that gave me goosebumps just to have that reaction from other people because I don't think everyone is against Candice. Like when I follow Candace on Facebook and, you know, I read all the comments. That's what I like to do.

I get into the nitty gritty. And there is a lot of people supporting Candace and there is people out there. But it's just like people like that that gives her the will to keep thriving to find truth. And, you know, I never wanted to believe any of the, I guess, receipts that she had. But I have to look at it. And I have to look at it as truth. It is truth. So where do we go from here?

Those are true, which they have been proven to be true. And she has so many other things. You know, we've got to dig down and find out the truth. Yeah. And I think that she knows deep and down, deep down inside what the truth is. I, well, I don't know. I feel like Candace thinks it's Israel. Do you?

Yeah. Probably. I mean, you know, it's one of those things like if you're an investigator, like you just go towards the evidence, right? I mean, like, what is the evidence? Now, right now the evidence is presented as Tyler Robinson, but also there's just so much wrong with that evidence, right? Well, everybody's calling BS, left and right.

And I also wanted to make this point because that just reminded me when I said left and right. You know, I feel like the left and the right, everyone's corrupt. You know, everything's corrupt based on money. Who's getting money is going to be corrupt. They're going to be told what to say, how to say it, when to act, how to act. That's what happens. And, you know, this is a divide right now in the Republicans as far as what you're saying, the right and the woke right, whatever you want to call woke versus.

versus, you know, real right, whatever. But it's still a divide. But when I think about a divide, I'm thinking about divide of the left and the right also. Isn't this what they want? They want divides. Well, yeah, they do. And they're still winning as long as they're dividing as many people possible.

Well, they do. And the reality of this divide and share you're right. I mean, they absolutely want to divide. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't also in really hardcore situations like this be acceptable. of being divided. So what I'm saying is, is that when something comes along this severe, this big,

we got to be okay with being divided. And this is something that I was thinking about, even with Ashton, the Ashton thing. Ashen is a friend. Like, you know, this is where I draw the line. And the reason why I draw the line,

Ashton, and I'll tell you this, and I'm just kind of speaking to you, and you guys can clip any of this stuff, by the way. You want to post it anywhere on the internet? Go ahead. We're probably not going to.

We're going to let this episode speak first. self on our platforms, but if any of you want to clip this and put it somewhere or whatever, fine, do it. But this is what pissed me off the most is because when you read a message from a donor, which I believe I know who this donor is and I have a connection with this donor in particular, when you read this and kind of, and then also talking to someone literally last night that and what you guys have to understand, like, we're not just completely out of the loop of like sources, like people that are really close to Charlie.

Kirk and Turnpoint USA and Bill Lyman and just everybody. We're connected. We talk to people on the phone. We literally talk for hours in some cases on the phone with people that are highly connected to people. We don't necessarily just blast it all the time. We just don't do that. But what I will say is that what I'm getting down the pipeline is that number one,

Candace was never not Charlie Kirk's friend. I mean, I want to make that very clear. Oh, no. There's clips where he says, Candice and I will always be. friends, we might not view everything exactly the same, but that doesn't mean she's not my friend. And it's the same thing that I was saying. Just because you are on the left doesn't mean you're not my friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

But my point to this is like I saw a couple of posts and I think one was from Ashton, Misfit Patriots, some of these other people that said, oh, Candace is just dragging Charlie's body around in tow just to just to give herself credibility. she's grifting. She's grifting off of Charlie Kirk's death. No, no. If anybody is grifting off of Charlie Kirk's death, it's you assholes that are telling people like Candace Owens and like whoever else that is questioning the narrative,

especially people that are close to Turning Point USA that have had connection and lineage with Turning Point USA, people like Candace Owens that are actually friends with Charlie Kirk. A lot of, like most of you assholes out there that are saying all this BS have never even spoke to Charlie Kirk, never even knew who Charlie Kirk was, never cared about anything Charlie Kirk ever said at all. Candace Owens was invested. She was invested into Charlie Kirk and turning point USA.

She was invested into the movement. And it wasn't until, just so everybody understands, and I'm not, I'm just saying, this is the reality of what I'm saying. It wasn't until the daily wire stuff happened. Candace Owens came out, Crisis King. She did her own thing. That's when what I,

believe the donors, especially a certain section of donors in turning point USA, started to go to to Charlie Kirk and say, all right, Charlie, sorry, bro, but you're not allowed to talk to Candace anymore. You're not allowed to talk to Tucker Carlson. Yeah, it's the same thing with Tucker. When Tucker started seeing and looking towards Israel as a potential threat of America is when they stop saying, you know, look, you can't have Tucker come and be a speaker. Yeah.

But what I'm saying is like, it's just, it blows my mind that there are people out there that are calling Candace Owens that was Charlie Kirk's friend for a very long time, help actually build turning point USA. I mean, I don't know if people understand and realize how big Candace Owens has been for the amount of time she's been big. I mean, it's been a long time. You know, like if Candace Owens died tomorrow, you know, yes, right now Charlie Kirk is a martyr. He is, his name is huge. Everybody is like, oh my God, think about how big Charlie Kirk was. But we don't understand how big Candace Owens has been has been in this space, especially as a young black woman that has spoke out.

That's a Republican conservative, a Christ follower that has spoke out and went against the grain, went against a narrative, no matter whether that she felt like it was going to cost her career, her livelihood, bankruptcy. We've been through some of that. Oh, yeah. And she even spoke out about Black Lives Matter, for example. Yeah. I mean, as a black woman.

But Charlie, and that's the thing the donor said, Charlie would have done everything to expose who killed Candace Owens if that would have happened when he was alive. He would have. And I know he would have. There's no question to me. Charlie would have been, Charlie, if the roles would have reversed, especially with Candace Owens coming out, especially hardcore against Israel, whatever.

And especially considering the fact that, you know, you're talking now about everything that Charlie's been saying, and six months, eight months leading up to when he was killed. But just imagine Candace Owens was killed in the same time frame. Imagine what Charlie Kirk would have been doing. I almost guarantee you he would have probably suspended a lot of his college campus tours and all the stuff he was doing to get to the bottom of who killed Candace Owens. And he would not have cared about the backlash.

And I almost also guarantee that if Charlie Kirk would have been doing the exact same thing that Candace Owens is doing, which he would have. I 100% believe that. He would have been then called an anti-Semite. He would have been then attacked and criticized and ridiculed by the same damn people that are on the Internet right now doing the same thing. Well, anybody that goes against our government or any governments is going to be attacked. Well, not necessarily our government. I mean, we've went against our government.

A lot of people win against our government for a very long time. And you can, but we've been attacked like if you go against Trump or you go for Trump or you go against Biden. I mean, there's always that political divide. Yeah, there's always going to be an attack. And then you also have divide of Israel. You have the divide of even Russia, Ukraine. You have a divide of all of that stuff. But then what you have to start thinking about is like who is the most powerful, who is the most important, who has the most influence.

You got to think about the spider web and who's in the middle. Yes. But also who is going to control the information. Right. Right. And who controls the information is the most important thing. There's a reason why North Korea where the world basically says, hey, they are a communist dictatorship totalitarian state because they have state media. you're not allowed to do anything outside of what North Korea government tells you.

And that's the only thing you know. You don't have social media. You don't have the, you don't even have access to the outside world as North Korean. So, so the reason why this and what Candace is doing right now is the most important is that do we ever want to be so sheltered in our own government, in our own country to say that we don't know anything else that's going on

besides what the government is telling us? No. And so these people on social media out there, like Ashton Forbes, like Misfit Patriot, like so many others that are saying, you guys are low IQ, complete moron,

um, conspirators, you guys are the problem. It's not people like Candace Owens and, and people like us and people like so many that are trying to get to the bottom of things when stuff doesn't make sense. And it's not like Candace Zohens is lying. It's not like she's,

you know, they all says she was lying when she said, hey, I have text messages, by the way that says he disavowed Israel basically, 48 hours before. And they said, oh,

she's a, she made up. the text. Well, it comes to find out. No, she didn't. So then what happens if she releases these text messages, which by the way, this donor that she read, whether she didn't say it or not, but I'm just telling you, this donor that she read has text messages from Charlie Kirk that said. That's what she said. Yeah. She didn't say it. No, she said. No, she said there are donors that have it, but she did not say it was this donor. Okay. But what I'm saying is this donor, I believe, has these text messages, very loyal friend to Candace. And,

and the reason why, by the way, I'm, okay. Hold on. I'm going to give my speculation. I'm not going to say. I want to say something to do. I'm not going to say for sure that this donor has text. And the reason why Candice is saying that she didn't say that this donor had text messages,

because obviously she released her name and all this stuff. But what I'm saying is that this, there is people that have text messages that Charlie Kirk said, they are going to kill me 24 hours prior to his assassination. okay so let's think about this i'm not saying anything not making speculation i'm just giving you guys a little bit of a roadmap maybe or or not um but 48 hours before he talked in this group message about he disavowed israel completely he has no choice but to do this people were backlashing on him and saying no you cannot do this do not do not at all don't allow kandis

and all this stuff josh hammered then 48 hours also went and retweeted a post from donald trump saying public execution should be needed. From 2013, Josh Hammer, which also then said that Candace Owens is crazy basically and that, you know, Charlie Kirk was loyal to Israel

up into his dying day, which all come to find out to be bullshit. And then 24 hours after he said all those text messages in the text message strut. He then says that I think they are going to kill me. So do we think that Charlie Kirk was referring to trans shooters was going to kill him in that text message 24 hours later? I don't know.

So you guys decide. It's not for me to decide. Well, and I wanted to say two things about that. Number one, whatever it is is backfiring in somebody's face because now the left and the right are aligning together because we're all calling bullshit. And that's a backfire. Yeah, there are some. Yeah, there is. Yeah.

And number two, when you come out with these receipts and all you can say back is, oh, well, they're anti-Semite. I mean, I'm even saying that. No, I need proof. Show me your proof now because she showed her proof. Where is the proof? Don't just say they're anti-Semite. Show me the proof. Yeah.

What shows you that this wasn't this? Like she's coming out and showing the proof. We need, you know, we need the other side to come out and show the proof. Yeah. But more importantly, like I said, all this is doing is backfiring because it is aligning the right and the left together in some kind of a degree. And that is worse for whoever's being. behind this. They don't want the left and the right to to agree or align whatsoever. They want division. And there is a chance that we might have a united stance on something.

Yeah. You're 100% right. Cherry. I agree with that. I agree with that. And that's why I just don't understand some of these post-lnex. I don't understand some of these influences. Like, what are you doing, bro? Like, are you desperately trying to ruin your own career, like, or your own platform? Like, is that the thing? Or are you dumb? enough to actually take money from maybe the government that wants you to shut the hell up. Like it's one of the two because there's no way that some of these people are saying the things are saying like knowingly thinking that that's true what they're saying. There's just no way.

And especially some of these people that we believe are smart. There's just no way that you do that. The one thing I will say closing this is that we stand with Kendis Atwins. We stand with truth. We stand with investigations. We stand with no matter what it is, conspiracy theories. The reason why we stand with conspiracy theories is because if you look at a track record of conspiracy theories, most of them have turned out to be correct. And in the age of information that we are in today, you have to understand that like we are in a place in the world as of right now that we have an opportunity as people to expose truth very fast or at the very least to hold people accountable that are trying to hide the truth.

And with that being said, there's never been a time like there is now. But that's also why I think there is a mass push for not only influence or influence based on either foreign or domestic government. But there's also a mass movement for mass surveillance and censorship. There is this mass movement for AI control. There is a mass movement for, for example, TikTok just got bought. And most of these, I hate to say it, but they are Israeli Jewish buyers. You also have Larry Ellison and other Jewish buyers that have bought CBS. Paramount.

They're buying a lot of the mainstream media in the United States. This is kind of a public thing, public facing thing. Because, you know, we are no longer America. It doesn't matter. You can argue, you can argue whether, like, how much influence is Muslim, like Middle Eastern Qatar or Israel. The problem is that we're not arguing how much influence is actually American anymore. It's Qatar, by the way.

Whatever. I don't give a damn what it actually is. Qatar, cutter, but either way. But all I'm saying is, is that for the grifters out there that are trying to say that people that are actually investigating conspiracy theories or Charlie Kirk's assassination, like we want actual answers that we should all just now all of a sudden believe the government for whatever reason, you are the grifters. It's not the people that are actually caring about their friends such as Charlie Kirk

that Candace Owens was a very close friend of Charlie Kirk for a very long time. That's not a grifter. that's a friend, by the way. And if you guys don't understand what a friend is, a friend is supportive, a friend is someone that actually seeks the truth for their friend, for their fellow man. That is what a friend is.

It is not to spread lies and propaganda and everything else. And I think in this world today in 2025, even with potentially turning point, I don't know, we don't know everybody in turn to point. I think there may be some bad actors in turn to point. Seems like there's also probably some people are not allowed to speak or can't speak. And then there's some people that want to speak

and they're doing their very best to reach out to certain people that have a platform to expose truth. But the reality of the, at the end of the day, what matters is the truth? And if you're out there completely blatantly, what I believe lying and propagandizing something, such as Charlie Kirk's assassination,

to try to say that there should never be questions about who is involved or who the actors may be or calling people low IQ or cult members or they're crazy, they're grifters, they're carrying Charlie Kirk's body around and toe. That makes me sick. It really does.

And it pisses me the hell off because as I said 20 minutes ago. It's not about how pro, Israel Charlie Kirk was. It's not about how anti-Israel Charlie Kirk was. It is literally about how pro-Christian Charlie Kirk was. It is about how much he loved Jesus and how much he tried to spread the message of Jesus Christ in love and all of that. And he tried to wake up the Gen Z. He tried to wake up the young people. And yes, the reality is that he did get assassinated for that. and I don't know who at the end of the day was the culprits behind who killed Charlie Kirk,

but I am very sick of hearing the BS on social media and especially people that want to try to somehow lump us into that. It's crazy. So anyways, as I said, we will absolutely have Ashton Forbes back on the show if he wants to come on and debate any of the things I've said tonight. But other than that, no, not going to. because I want to honor Charlie Kirk's legacy in the best way I possibly can. And I think honestly, the only person, one of the biggest names, I guess, or talking heads right now that is honoring Charlie Kirk's legacy is Candace Owens.

So that's all I'll say. I'm going to leave it with this. That way by NHBD, Nick. Until next time, guys, we love you. Listen, stay loyal to the truth. Stay loyal to God. Love, peace out. Peace out, guys.

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