Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Candace Owens Meets Erika Kirk, After Months of Charlie Kirk Assassination Controversy

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

Tonight we break down the private, behind-closed-doors meeting between Candace Owens and Erika Kirk, a sit-down that comes after months of public accusations, internal disputes, and growing distrust surrounding the attempted assassination of Charlie Kirk. Candace has openly challenged the official narrative coming from within TPUSA, claiming that key employees were not truthful about what really happened, and that challenge has sent shockwaves through conservative media and grassroots circles alike. We unpack why this meeting matters, what led to it, and what it signals for the future of transparency, accountability, and truth inside influential political movements. With rumors, contradictions, and unanswered questions still circulating online, we focus on separating speculation from substance and ask the question many people are still afraid to ask, what happens when loyalty collides with accountability, and who actually benefits when the full story never comes out.Visit our merchanidse store

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Hello and welcome to Investigator of Podcast. I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're talking about a meeting that a lot of people didn't expect to happen. That's Candace Owens and Erica Kirk finally sitting down face-to-face after weeks of public tension, accusations, and unanswered questions surrounding the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Over the past couple of months, Candice has been very clear in her claims that certain TPSA employees were not truthful about key details, timelines, and internal responses after the attack. Those claims sparked backlash, silence from some corners, and loud denials from others, but very few actual explanations.

So now the question becomes, what happens when the accusation stopped being online post and start being real conversations behind closed doors? Was this meeting about clearing the air, damage control, or finally confronting contradictions that never quite added up? Tonight we're not here to pick sides or push narratives. We're here to lay out what's been said, what still hasn't been answered, and why transparency matters, especially when the stakes involve political movements. Guys, welcome to the show. It is December the 16th, 2025. The name of this song is Flying Colors by Daxton.

And I got to say, we just wrapped up listening to the Candice Owen's live stream. And this comes one day after 24 hours after she sat down with Erica Kirk and some other Turning Point USA staff and also talked with attorneys that were also heavily involved in everything post the Charlie Kirk assassination. For those that do not know, the world has essentially hated Candace Owens ever since she started to investigate and call out things that did not quite make sense to her. Whereas you had on one side, turning point USA, which is what Charlie Kirk literally built to turn the, I guess you can say turn the speech, turn the reality of politics and

viewpoints in our American colleges. I don't know if you guys know, but most of the. kids that go to American colleges nowadays, they come out as a liberal. They come out as a Democrat. They come out as anti-America. Anti-basically everything the United States was founded on, believed in, was culturally relevant. And so what Turning Point USA did was really helped to define and try to engineer a way into these young minds to where it's like you don't have to be liberal if you go to college. You can still be a conservative. Those values still matter. And that is one of the things that Turning Point USA and Charlie Kirk heavily built upon on top of his Christian values

as a Jesus Christ follower. And so then obviously after the assassination, Candice Owen started to make a lot of claims about like, we don't know for sure that it was Tyler Robinson. There's a lot of things not adding up. There's a lot of lies being told because a lot of Turning Point USA are quite a few actually turning point USA insiders or I guess I can say whistleblowers came out to her and gave her some information that no one else knew. She unveiled that information. And usually she was baiting people. We've done a couple of episodes on this. And so she would bait people to say,

hey, I have text messages that Charlie Kirk 48 hours prior to his death said that they were going to kill him. I have text messages that said that I have no other choice but to disavow Israel and get away from their cause because of how I believe and what I think about their response in Gaza. And no one believed that. Everyone called her a liar. she actually unveiled the text messages that proved that she was telling the truth. But still, there's been this massive campaign from anybody that has questioned the narrative of the Charlie Kirk assassination. There's been heavy backlash of those people also that have questioned the Israel response in Gaza. There's so many of this.

And it's usually to people like Tucker Carlson, Dave Smith, Candice Owens, you know, Tim Poole and some of these others that have been on the vocal other side of this, which is the ones that are calling Candice Owens a liar. a scumbag and a grifter. And all she wants to do is make millions of dollars on the back of Charlie Kirk's death. But Sherry, I was explaining to your mom earlier because as we were watching this video, I was trying to explain to her who Candice Owens was because she had no idea. And what most people don't realize is that Candice Owens and Charlie Kirk were very close for many years. Candice Owens was a part of Turning Point USA and the buildup of Turning Point USA for at least six or seven years. they were very, very close.

And it was up until the time that Candace Owens kind of left the daily wire. She was actually fired from the daily wire is when Turning Point USA started to distance themselves from Candice Owens. And there's a lot of speculation on whether or not it had anything to do with the fact that she did say Christ is King. Also the fact that Turnipoint USA does get funded by Israel. And then obviously Candice Owens also in what we're going to break down today, she talks about that Hampton's meeting and the potential. that Israel, or at least B.B. Netanyahu, offered Turning Point USA next level money to really, I guess you can say evolve Turning Point USA into something way bigger than it already is, a.k.a., we want to make sure that we are the most involved donor on this movement,

because we know how important Turning Point USA is to Republicans and the government, as it would make sense for Israel to fund heavily to an organization like that. We also cannot forget that Erica Kirk has come out on a meeting. media blitz and she basically went on every channel on Fox News and did interviews with all of the various different shows and was talking about not only Charlie's book, but what was happening. And she did kind of bring up the rumors that were going on on social media. She didn't call people out by name, but when she was talking about the conspiracy theories, we know she was pointing fingers right at Candace Owens.

And at the time, I was like, well, you know, she's just going to. kind of bring it up a little bit, but she's not going to come out and say, you know, I can't stand this. You better stop. I'm going to sue you. She just let it out there. And then it was just really interesting after the media blitz, she then decided to sit down with Candace Owens and meet with her, where I feel like if they would have met weeks ago, a lot of this could have already been cleared up. Maybe. Yeah. And we're going to see, actually, we're going to break down at least the first portion of Candace Owens and her live stream today. This is, as I said, 24 hours after the meeting with Erica Kirk.

And make no mistake, as Sherry said, obviously Erica Kirk has been on this media blitz. She's been on every single possible show on Fox News and she's been promoting, I guess, Charlie's book that wasn't released yet. I think she's also promoting a book for her. And it's also very interesting how they say that like, oh, Candace Owens is a grifter. She's trying to make money off of Charlie Kurt's death. Yeah, hundreds of thousands of dollars per episode. Yeah, but do you know how much money is that?

these books are going to make when you're on Fox News 24-7. And, you know, keep it also in mind is like Erica has been very vocal. She's been very, I guess, steadfast and direct on what she believes about the theories, the conspiracy theories, the things that people like Candice O. once has said or called into light. As I was explained to your mom, you know, Erica did take the side of Turnipoint USA multiple times even prior to this meeting. And it sounds like this was even after she...

saw the episode. She saw the clips of where Candace Owens is saying, hey, these people in Turning Point USA are lying. Why are they lying? And then when everyone called Candice a liar, she then unveiled the facts, the truth, like, here's the text messages. Here's what he actually said.

And they want to act like that didn't happen. And Erica Kirk also acted like it didn't happen. Now, obviously, there are also a lot of people as they see Erica Kirk getting out there in the spotlight, on the news stations, in mainstream media. There's a lot of people that have speculations. like is Erica as genuine as she tries to make herself out to be because you know regardless you know she always has and I've been seeing memes and I don't want to say this I mean obviously we're

very sorry for the loss of Charlie Kirk when you lose your husband that's something that I cannot imagine that I could possibly deal with but it's also weird because of how she's kind of reacted how she was almost thrown into the spotlight at the I guess the gathering in Arizona for I guess a celebration of his life and she had come out there she had had the tissue you know she had looked up in the sky like she was praying or talking to charlie in the sky um there was a lot of people that just speculated it's like it looks it just looks and feels weird almost looks and feels fake yeah i mean that's what a lot of people say is like it feels weird and then you know she goes on all of these uh you know news stations and she does very similar things she always has a little tissue and she's almost

like constantly blotting and blotting and blotting and so there's a lot of lot of people that just feel like something is strange, right? Something is off. Yeah. And it was also interesting during her media blitz when she was talking about Charlie's latest book that has not come out yet that she's promoting. It seems like it is pro-Israel or it stands behind Israel and she was even talking about Shabbat Shalom.

You know, she brought that up very heavily. Meanwhile, this is a Christian family, not a Jewish family. why do they say Shabbat Shalom in the book and why are they standing steadfast behind Israel in this last book? Yeah, it is strange. And there's actually a recent picture that we had saw of Erica Kirk sitting there in her red dress and she had a Jewish star. Star David on her, you know, that was like her main pendant. So, you know, there's a lot of questions to be answered here, right? And we've obviously been covering this saga.

we covered the day that Charlie Kirk was assassinated. We came on this podcast. I was very emotional because, you know, seeing someone die like that, be assassinated like that. And especially someone in a political, he was martyred, right? He was martyred for his speech for what he believed. And I think that's why it is so important to find out, like, is there things being hidden from us or, you know, do we trust the government in a situation like this?

I think that, number one, trust in government is at an all-time low. You know, this comes after the Trump administration comes in with Cash Patel and everybody else. And up until they actually got into office, Trump and Cash Patel and everybody was like, look, as soon as we get in the office, we're going to tell you everything that you want to know about the Epstein files. We're going to release every single thing about the Epstein files because we want to be transparent. As soon as Trump gets in office, what happens? They say that it's a hoax. It's a Democrat hoax. There's nothing there.

Nothing to see there. we're not going to tell you anything. They actually got pissed off for reporters that would continually ask them about the Epstein Files. But Epstein Files is something that us is a podcast, even when we supported Trump, and I think, Sherry still supports Trump.

I don't support Trump as much now. But the Epstein Files is very important. This was a huge elite in the world of politics and government and that was trafficking young girls to politicians and elitist. And he was doing this on the, behalf of some intelligence agency we believe, but the fact that our government is protecting not the victims. They're protecting the people that they trafficked to. So we're talking about

the people that was having sex with the underage girls. That is who the government is protecting. They're not protecting the victims. They are protecting the people that were trafficked, the pedophiles. That's who they're protecting. And I've always said like, yes, when Biden and Harris was the option versus Trump, I was voting Trump. But that also doesn't mean that we can't criticize and call out Trump when we think that he's not doing something for the betterment of America, for the betterment of us and why we voted for him. And people voted for him because of MAGA, which was make America great again.

Like, let's actually make America great again, which means America, not Ukraine, not Israel, not another foreign nation, not sending billions of dollars to these foreign nations, not protecting pedophiles like Jeffrey Epstein and all of his clients, we have to take up and stand up for America first because the reality of this is that do you understand how many homeless people are in our streets that are dying on an everyday basis, but yet we're sending billions of dollars to foreign nations

that don't need it? And so when are we actually going to start caring about our own people? And I know I went on a tangent there, but I just wanted to say this. what my point to this is is that a lot of people do not trust government because it seems like no matter what side you're on, they always betray you. They always fall short. They always say all of this stuff in their campaigns and never actually deliver on anything they say. And the reason for that is because they're all funded. So when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, which was a huge

reason why Donald Trump became president to begin with, and then 48 hours prior to his assassination, Charlie was saying they are going to kill me. And then even 24 hours prior, he was saying that he has no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause and that he's going to start bringing on people that are going to question Israel about their response in Gaza, like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens. And so whether or not Israel had anything actually to do with Charlie Kirk's assassination, at the very least, it is a wild coincidence that that happened 48 hours prior to. to when he was shot through the throat with a 30-alt-6 round

that somehow didn't actually have an exit wound, which still doesn't make sense. But either way, we're going to get into Candace Owens. It's not going to be a very long podcast. It'll probably be about an hour. We're going to get into what Candice Owens says based on a meeting because let me tell you guys, a lot of her followers,

especially after Erica Kirk yesterday, came out and said, it was a very productive meeting. It was a four-and-a-half-hour meeting. It was very productive. Candice Owens actually also released. least a video where she said six hours ago. She said this was a very productive meeting actually. I think it was good.

I think it was the right thing to do. And as you listen to all, if you watch her live stream comments, everyone's like, you're paid now. You got bought out. They got to you. They threatened you. Now you're not going to, you know, investigate further. And we're going to evaluate that today on the show.

Is this an attempt to where they want to silence her and shut her up? Or is this just Candace Owens being an act? actual investigative journalist and not just trying to gaslight you and try to say, look, I went and met. Here's what I think. Here's what I feel about this. I think that's what we have to determine. And that's what we're going to talk about today. But I do want to, before we get any further, I want to mention we do have this Christmas

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And so go check that out. Also, obviously, we do have all of the social medias on X, Instagram, Facebook, you name it. We also have a telegram where we do live streams or live chats with our listeners probably twice a week or three times a week. You guys can find our telegram by just looking up, investigate Earth conspiracy podcast, and you will find it there. So without further ado, let's go ahead and getting to the Candace Owens live stream from just a couple of hours ago. And we're going to see, is Candice Owens bought out and paid now? Did they finally silence her? Or is she just trying to be a real investigator?

What does she find out? Let's listen. Okay, everybody, Shabbat Shalom. I just want to say Shabbat Shalom to everybody back at home. Happy Hanukkah to our greatest friends and allies. And, you know, this is a good time to mention that Israel does have a right to defend itself. Tucker Carlson is Adolf Hitler. And TikTok does need to be purchased by the Mossad.

It's just how I'm feeling today. I am not different. Maybe you are different. Welcome back to Candace. Okay, you guys were crazy. You guys are absolutely crazy. The amount of people who attacked me for sending out a tweet being like, hey, I'm good. I'm alive.

We had a very productive conversation. And they were like, she got the call. She got the call. She's betrayed us. She's doing something else. I can't believe it. This is all just been a show. Calm down.

Okay? What do you think happened? Erica said, stop. And then I was frozen for four and a half, four hours and 30 minutes. Just like, as I just put all of these talking points into my head, that is not what happened. I keep telling you guys, I am not governable. I am basically akin to congenital. I never felt more seen than when he tweeted a lot of years ago,

just fired my manager because I realized I can't be managed. That is me. That tweet right there. I was like, oh, gosh. Yes, Kanye, that I get this. Nobody is changing their mind anything. How ridiculous would it have been if I'm doing all of this, investigating, asking all of these questions,

and then Erica Kirk offers to answer some of these questions. And I'm like, no, I'm not going to go. I can't betray the people. I don't want any answers to the questions. I just want to ask them. No, this is the entire reason we are doing this. We've been looking at the situation going, why can't Turning Point USA just answer basic questions?

I can tell you. And listen, I want to say this because, you know, Erica, Erica Kirk did offer Candace Owens to come and talk to her. And there was a lot of people that even got mad that Canada S Owens would even go and talk to Erica Kirk. And you can't do that because the reality is, is like, why would you deny that opportunity? if you're one of the biggest investigators on the internet, right, of this whole Charlie Kirk assassination

and someone like the wife, the widow of Charlie Kirk, offers you an opportunity to come and ask and answer or for her to answer any questions that you may have or all the stuff you've been saying on the internet, why would you not do that? My only thing that I wish would have happened, this should have been live streamed.

This conversation between Candice Owens and Erica Kirk should have been live streamed, just like she doesn't. or show. They should have set up cameras that four hours and 30 minutes should have been on camera because now there's going to be people out there. It's like, well, this is probably not yet. They got to you or you were very friendly with them.

People would have paid anything probably to see this sit down for four and a half hours. Just to see like how Candace was asking questions. Was she fiery like she has been in her podcast episodes? Did she back down? Was she not as forceful? all of these things would have been answered if we would have actually been able to see this. But, you know, of course, it was for privacy reasons. And the reality also is, like, transparency-wise, you should have showed this.

Exactly. Because either person can say anything. And they probably left some things out and left it on the table for just those two ladies. Yeah, for not for the entire public to know the absolute truth. Yeah, for sure, absolutely. And so you can speculate whether or not it was the right thing to do to have this conversation in private or the wrong thing to do. But either way, let's continue. Guys, that yesterday for four hours and 30 minutes, there were no rules.

They said you could say, you can ask us any question that you want, anything that's on your mind, which I appreciated. And some of you guys are thinking, who is they? Who is they? It's the Jews, obviously. Just kidding. Justin Strife. Justin Strife was in the Rome, which is Justin Strife. which is Justin Strife and Erica.

George joined me just for the beginning portion of the conversation because he had that thing going on that I told you on the 15th all day. He was in a conference. And then I brought my cousin Mia, you know, the one that has a really bad attitude. I just bring her there for vibes. I think it just confuses people. They're like, I don't understand what's this person doing here.

And the reality is she's like always just listening to Cardi B music. But she's my cousin and I always have her route. And so that was it. She was kind of sitting a little bit away. but at the table it was just, it was really just the four of us until George left. And I will be honest, I did not know what to expect going into the room. I did not know if they were going to be open. I didn't know what Erica's energy was going to be like if it was going to be more of an argument, if there was going to be legal threats. You guys were telling me not to drink water. So I didn't drink

water while I brought my own water, but I didn't drink that water too. It was a lot. There's a lot going on. Okay. And the conversation started with Justed Strife very sensibly saying, what are we looking to accomplish here? What is the actual aim of this conversation? And he was pretty clear. And Eric was very clear that they were sort of most upset with what I, obviously a bit of a fever pitch. What I tweeted that it was a godforsaken company and people should not give money to it. And I have to own that. That's aggressive. That is actually aggressive in the retrospect. I was very frustrated. And I don't know. I felt like we weren't getting any answers. And there were so many lies. And then I was getting attacked for asking all meaningful questions that was within their capacity to answer. And I told you, I definitely, my problem in life is that I can rise to anger very quickly.

I shared with them that I really felt like I was under attack for telling the truth from the very beginning. like casually when I mentioned the Catholicism thing. Like what was that about? I was like, look, I say something in a tribute to him. Alex Clark and Andrew Colvette then jump onto a podcast and they're doing that weird interview, which is clearly aimed at me. And they've teased the interview. It was like aimed at me, but they never say my name.

And that to me felt like it was the first, I don't know, the first bit of mud that was slung. Which their answer for that was, hey, that was a really crazy time. there a new system had to be put into place and by no means did Erica give any person the authority to go out and say that the fall of something was a lie, it kind of turned into this big thing, whatever. Okay, that kind of obviously was not the meat of the reason that we wanted to sit down. I will say I was immediately refreshed by the fact that one of the first things that Erica did was she owned the lies, the lies or rather, I guess, they would cage it as miscommunications that were coming from various people at the company,

like, look, this is a company with 650 people that are employed. Everybody at this time is exceedingly emotional, and they are communicating. And no matter what somebody says on Twitter, they assume that this communication has come down from management, and that's not always a circumstance. But they owned right away, which felt great, that if you guys recall, we, Erica sat down with Glenn Beck. I actually missed this portion because I didn't get to watch the interview. in its entirety and we were pulling clips because a lot was coming out very quickly.

But there was a portion that was going around that was viral. And it was Erica saying that she had Charlie's phone and that Charlie never texted anybody the night before saying that he thought that they were going to kill him. And that obviously reflected poorly on me because I was the one who said that he did, in fact, text multiple people the night before. And then I went on Jimmy Doer on Friday. door show and I clarified, I said, Andrew Colvette told me specifically that he was one of the people that received this text message. So I got that first person. I didn't get that from a

source. I got that directly from Andrew Colvett. And then somebody who had access to Dan Flood's communications said that Dan Flood similarly received a text message. They owned that right away and explained Erica said that she has Charlie's phone. She's looking at his eye messages. And it turns out that he like everybody else communicates on signal, he communicates on telegram, and that those when she heard me say that, they then went and looked and yes, that what I said was true. And Dracovat received a message the night before and Dan Flood received a message the night before. Now they asked me if I had actually like a concrete copy of what Dan Flood got the night before. And I said no.

Somebody told me what it said, which was almost exactly what Andrew said, which is they're going to kill me. Andrew did not know who they were, who they, that the day that he was referring to, uh, were, but they clarified that the message that Dan Flood received said the left is going to kill me. So I can't confirm that one way or the other. I have to trust them on that because I did not see that concrete message. I was told that it said they now. Okay. So I want to pause here because this is very important. These are very important details. We know for sure. And this is not necessarily in the same text thread that Charlie Kirk was texting a lot of his higher up turning point USA people where he's specifically talking about he has no choice but to disabout Israel.

In the text messages where he says that they are going to kill me and this is what Andrew Colvin said. This is what he specifically said to Canis Owens along also with Dan Flood, which is another person in Turnipoint USA. And how all this kind of also went viral over the past week is that Erica Kirk when she was going on this, you know, mainstream media blitz. She had said that she had Charlie Kirk's cell phone. And so when Candace Owens came out and said, well, Charlie Kirk had texted a couple of people or,

you know, message a couple of people, whatever it was, I guess probably she said text, a couple of people that said that I think that they are going to kill me. This came from two various people inside of Turning Point USA. Andrew Colford obviously is a big one. Dan Floods the other But then the speculation started to fly The Erica Kirk was hiding the fact that Charlie Kirk said that But what Erica Kirk is saying that I only went to his text messages

Like his eye messages but this message These messages were actually through telegram or one of these other encrypted messaging apps But then the interesting thing about it is that they then say that he was referring to in the text message or in the telegram message, whatever it was, that he was referring to the left. Right. And that doesn't add up to me.

You know, and look, everyone knows that listens to my podcast or our podcast, that I am half Jewish and I have stood steadfast behind Israel. And I was even opposed to what Candace Owens was coming out with in the beginning until she came out with receipts and proof. And then I had to come back and retract and say, look, guys, I was wrong. I told you guys that Candace is basically

lying unless she has receipts. And guess what? The next podcast we had, she had receipts. So I retracted what I said. But I just don't I don't see it being the left were the ones killing him. I think he was pointing his finger at Israel. Maybe.

Possibly. But here's the thing. This is a very easy way to clear this up. If these messages that Andrew Colvitt and Dan Flood and all these people received and the fact that Erica Kirk has Charlie Kirk's cell phone, which means that telegram messages and all that stuff would still be preserved, you could easily release what he said in Telegram or whatever messaging app or whatever platform you were using. You could release it to where he said the left.

Now, also, going back just a brief moment when we talk about Tyler Robinson, the guy that allegedly right now was the assassinator of Charlie Kirk. we obviously saw those text messages or that looked or telegram messages, whatever they were, Discord. Right. To where it sounded like someone from the 1920s was talking. I mean, he was like my paw and, you know. Yeah, my pa and oh, my love, I'm so sorry, but it was me. It was not the type of text or the type of message you would see from a 19, 20 year old sending to his boyfriend.

Yeah. You just wouldn't see that. It was weird. It's not my love. And like Chad said, it sounded like 1900s the way they talked back then. Yeah. And also, like as Candace talks about in just a moment, there were no timestamps. There was no way to tell like when these messages came through, any of this stuff.

But I think at the very least, right now what we need to see is like, okay, well, did Charlie Kirk say the left? Was that who he was talking about, talking about Democrats or the left? Is that who he was talking about when he refers to they as they are going to kill me? because, you know, within this, this allegedly happened within 48 to 24 hours. And it wasn't just that to happen. It was also the same time frame that Charlie Kirk was talking to other Turning Point USA staff in text that was talking about. I almost have no choice but to disavout Israel and leave the Israel cause. Right.

They have pressured me. They have, they have intimidated me in ways. You guys can go back and read the text. We've done that those podcasts. But that's what he said. So we saw those messages. we need to see the messages about where he's saying that they is the left. Right.

And possibly if we do see the messages, it might just say they. And that's when you have to look at the context of the message. What was they? What was he talking about prior to they? What was he meaning? I think you can go back and you can really read into the text and figure out the they. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, especially without, you know, something to reference off of.

I mean, if you don't actually have the text, then you have to infer. And if you infer based on what the text messages said that Candace Owens released, then you would maybe conclude that they means maybe Israel, right? That's what people started to think. So if I'm turning point USA right now from Erica Kirk from whoever, I would do anything I possibly can to immediately release the messaging on those platforms where he refers to who they are.

If he defines who they are, because I'm seeing on X right now, it is going across the internet, all of the people that have been against Candace Owens and against people like us that have just investigating and just asking questions, they're all saying, yeah, Charlie Kirk said they, which means the left. Candice Owens even admits this. You know, that's what they're all saying. I've already seen it in the past 20 minutes. But she's not admitting that is the left. She's admitting that Erica Kirk is saying they believe it was the left.

Or no, she saw the messages and it says the left is what he is what they said. the messages they say say the left. Okay. So let's see the messages. Yeah, I would like to see the messages. Yeah, let's see the messages. Because also, by the way, you know, we understand that Charlie Kirk was a huge voice. And there was a lot of people on the left that hated him.

So like when I first heard that Charlie Kirk was assassinated by some person that was involved with a trans, whatever. And, you know, this was the thing they wanted to push. I was like, well, that's not actually really surprising. They would be someone like that because the left hates Charlie Kirk. You know, mainstream media hates Charlie Kirk. What mainstream media does on a regular basis and what they always did when they had to talk about Charlie Kirk was they demonized him. Like he was evil. Like he was someone that was against gays.

He was against lesbians. He was against all this. All Charlie Kirk ever did was speak directly from principles of the Bible. So if you say the people that believe in the Bible as Christians are evil because of their standpoint and their beliefs, then fine. That's your thing. but Charlie Kirk was not opinion-based necessarily. A lot of what Charlie Kirk derived his intellectual concourse for what he was talking about on a regular basis was based and driven on the Bible. Yeah, and so you can't really say that he hated those type of people.

No, he didn't. Absolutely. Loved those type of people. He just didn't agree with those type of people or their lifestyles. Absolutely. Yeah. And that's why, you know, even when people that would come up to the microphone with Charlie Kirk, when he would do these huge events, and there would be people with purple purple hair obviously you know leftists that are you know

LGBT trans pro this pro Palestine pro everything you know when people start laughing at them for asking a question or they would start like yelling at them Charlie was always like hey can y'all can y'all let them finish like this is about us having a conversation not use silence in them based on critique or criticism and that's what charlie kirk was always about even though yes he had is very distinct opinions and beliefs. He allowed people to the microphone that he live streamed in front of millions of people on a regular basis for their opinions and beliefs to also be heard. And so that's what we have to do.

Like we have to have this discourse back and forth. And whoever is the most believable, whoever researches what both people say and they come to a conclusion that maybe Charlie Kirk's right here or this person's right, that's what you have to do. When you silence one side of the conversation, that's when tyranny comes in. That's when a dictatorship comes in. That's when someone says, you're not allowed to say this, even if you're right, you're not allowed to say this because we control what you say. And so that is what Charlie Kirk did so well for freedom of speech. He obviously did that for the right. And so a lot of people, when he started to question or criticize Israel and he started to ask questions

and he started to say maybe I should pull away my steadfast support for Israel because of intimidation, because of they get pissed at me, even though I've been a staunch supporter of Israel for this many years. But if I even ask a question about this, I'm not allowed to. I'm not allowed to bring on people that also criticize the Israeli government. Like I'm not allowed to bring on these people. And then, you know, obviously you also go into the meeting in the Hamptons, which is, you know, back and forth to that. Either way, let's get into some more of Candace. Well, obviously, we discussed the moment, and I'm laughing here because you TikTokers are

actually out of control. You guys are going to be the reason that Israel gets TikTok because you guys are acting a fool all the time. And the videos were so hilarious of you guys mocking the Barry Weiss interview. It's great. It's good to laugh at ourselves. And Barry Weiss is always worth laughing at. But I was sort of like, hey, I felt name checked by the podcaster, Candice, O.

this obvious setup and then asking me to stop. And it's interesting to hear Erica say that the reason she didn't ask me to stop in the beginning because she was actually learning things from the show. She was actually learning things. And that I think she similarly felt that Barry Weiss was trying to create a moment. Obviously, it's who Barry Weiss is. It's the Zionist lobby. She's trying to write perceived wrongs because I'm against her side.

That does not surprise me. That's kind of why Barry Weiss exists. That's the reason they put her at CBS is because she's just committed to stacking the audience with people that are going to present the pro-Israel cause and talk about anti-Semitism and talk about like crime being on the rise. It's kind of an embarrassment. But I actually do accept that. And I should also clarify that Barry Weiss obviously picked those questions. They were not random like I told you. It wasn't like people were coming to the mic and it was an open mic and they didn't know what they were going to get.

it was all very much planned by Barry, but Erica said that she knew the general idea, like they were going to mention me and mention the conspiracies, but she was not given that specific the podcaster, Candice Owens, question. So I think that's fair to clear about up. Now, I did not at all recant any of my suspicions and I understand people disagree with me about particular people at Turning Point USA. I communicated what I communicated in front of the whole world. My skin crawled after I spoke to Terrell Farnsworth, the person who took the cameras down. He lied to me several times. I explained to them, which felt good to have that direct communication, how Terrell lied multiple times. And that I did not understand why he was there that day.

They echoed what he said. They defended what he said that they were trying something new that day, that they typically live stream, which is what Terrell said. They typically live stream. And I said, every college event. Well, they said, well, yeah, they live stream the events that are tour stops, but they don't live stream like the outside prove me wrong type events. And that was something that was new and it required Terrell. And I said, even if that was all real, if that was all true, I still didn't feel good about the conversation that I have with Terrell and I can't ignore my gut about the many little lies that he told. I thought the video. I got to stop for a second. I got to explain who Barry Weiss is for a moment for those that do not know who Barry Weiss is. So Barry Weiss is a

prominent American journalist and media figure. She's not the music executive, Barry Weiss, because there is also one of those. But that's completely different. She's a journalist author from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. She founded the media outlet, the free press, known for opinion writing at major publications, including in New York Times, and the Wall Street Journal. She's long involved in debates over free speech, anti-woke culture, and debates around coverage of Israel and anti-Semitism.

In October, though, and I don't know if you guys remember, Trump and the Trump administration, essentially in a lot of ways, kind of forced CBS to be sold. And so in 2025 and of October, Barry Weiss was named Editor-in-Chief of CBS News after the network's parent company, Paramount Skydance, acquired her media site, the free press, for about $150 million. So as editor-in-chief, she now oversees editorial direction of CBS News, including major programs like 60 Minutes, Sunday morning, and influence over how the network covers major stories. And so Barry Weiss is widely known for a strong support for Israel and her critic. of anti-Semitism and anti-Israel viewpoints. Many commentators describe her views as pro-Israel, and she has been influential in shaping debates around how the U.S.

media should cover Israel and the Middle East. In summary, Barry Weiss is a journalist who was appointed editor-eer-in-chief. This was after CBS was bought out, okay? So, who owns CBS is Paramount Skydance? CBS and CBS News is no longer just owned by the old Paramount Global. In 2025, Paramount Global merged with Skydance Media to form Paramount SkyDance. Okay. David Ellison, which leads the company, a media executive and a billionaire, is the CEO in driving force behind Paramount Skydance, which is the company now owns CBS. Okay.

Ellison family. So David Ellison's father, Larry Ellison, is one of the largest private U.S. backers of the Israeli military and the pro-Israeli cause. Larry Ellison has donated large sums to friends of Israel defense forces and has been reported to have close ties with Israeli political leaders, meaning he's. literally up in Israel's government and their military. He's one of the biggest funders of their military. And so then the installation of Barry Weiss, Paramount Skydance, acquired journalist Barry Weiss, media out of the free press and made her editor-in-chief of CBS News. Barry Weiss is widely known for obviously her very strong pro-Israel,

almost in some ways anti-America viewpoints. And wasn't Larry Elson one of the guys that met with Charlie Kirk in the Hamptons? I don't know if it was Larry Ellison or not there are quite a few that met with Charlie Kirk and the Hamptons but what I do know is that under Trump's presidency they basically forced a sale of CBS news and one of the reasons and why and how they did this was because of some type of lawsuit that Trump had with

I believe CBS because of editing and doing all this stuff and then instead of a lawsuit they basically forced the sale Kind of like they're doing with TikTok, by the way, which is also now being purchased by pro-Israel, very close ties to Israel. They tried to play that out like, oh, this is a bad China. Yeah, China is going to get all your data, even though literally most things that we use in our everyday life, computers, microchips, cell phones. They all come from China. China already has our data. Yeah, they have everything they need.

But they forced to sell CBS News. They put Barry Weiss in play. now the free press is also pro-Israel that's basically all they talk about and now barry weiss which has pretty much no media experience i mean she's she's not a very smart person and you can ask tucker carlson he actually just talked about her not very long ago on the theo vaughn podcast but she and cbs news is now one of the biggest news forces in the world so this is a purchasing of our media the united states media that is controlled by israel however you look at it i mean If you don't believe the founders and the buyers and who's actually in control of CBS News,

this is, you know, David Ellison and Larry Elson, he was the largest private U.S. backer of the Israeli military. I mean, and then David Elson and Larry Ellison both, they are very close with the Israeli government, meaning like probably pretty much in the Israeli government. So now they own not only CBS News, but now CBS is going through and buying all of these independent media. companies for hundreds of millions of dollars to shift the narrative. Okay? So I just want to play that out.

I know Candace is not explaining that very well, but I want to, I want everybody to understand how CBS News is connected to Israel and then how Trump helped that buy happen just like he did TikTok. Video he recorded was weird. I know he comes to my very powerful family. I just, I personally do not trust him. And I obviously do not like the fact that I said, you know, Tyler Boyer. lied about this thing and said,

came up with an excuse and said, well, Terrell was asked to take the camera down. That's the reason, he said on Twitter, because the police wanted him to take it down and secure the footage. And I said, I know that's not true. And they said, well, after all of that, yeah, after he took the cameras down,

there was a police officer or fed, whoever it was, that spoke to him and asked him to secure the footage. Well, that makes sense, but it's not a reason for why he took it down immediately. It makes sense that as you're investigating, you're going to say, who's got the footage, you know, let's lock it down.

but it didn't make sense to me that Tyler Boyer lied about it. And I don't trust Tyler Boyer. And that is never going to change. Similarly with Rob McCoy, he makes my skin crawl. I can't explain it. This is a, I look at him and he's a bad person and nobody can make me feel one way or the other about that. I was surprised to learn. And this kind of gets into, I guess, us not knowing the inner workness at Turning Point USA,

that Rob McCoy actually does not work with Turning Point USA in any capacity whatsoever. And so him communicating as he has. done like I'm the pastor on this, I'm that. It's just not real. Like that is not real. And we should know that that's not real. And when he says that, call him out on that separately from Turning Point USA. I was operating under the assumption that he worked for Turning Point USA. And I said, obviously that's wrong. I'm happy to correct that. But also, what were we to assume when he hit the stage at the memorial and said, I'm America's pastor and then had the Wikipedia updated and said, I'm assuming he had it updated because who else would do that, that he started, Turning Point USA Faith.

So I guess to be clear, we were just wrong about that. And I will have a lot more to say about Rob McCoy and where I believe he fits into a lot of things. So I'm not letting up on that now. Rob McCoy, got to talk about this. Rob McCoy is supposedly America's pastor at Charlie Kirk's Uliad or Ulogy, I guess you can say, or his celebration of life that was in Arizona. It was at this massive Coliseum where Trump was there, all of the dignitaries, everybody was there, including Eric Kirk. Rob McCoy was also there.

And he basically got up there and said, I'm America's pastor. Charlie Kirk confided on me and everything. He loved me. He loved everything I had to say. I am one of the biggest mega pastors in the world. You must believe everything I say, you know. And so this is a Christian pastor. And but also keeping in mind, like, there's a lot of Christian pastors that make trips to Israel.

And that's a thing because it is a historical, biblical place, regardless of whether you're a Christian or Jew, the land of Israel and the surrounding lands are very historical because of what the Bible says, because of what history says, because of what Rome says, all of this stuff, right? But Rob McCoy literally speaks about his love for Israel more than he speaks about Christianity or why you should be a Christian. or Jesus follower. That's, I mean, he talks about all the time. He talks about his spiritual connections to land on tons of interviews and podcasts. There's a video description that shows him doing mission work on the ground in Israel and talking about the biblical themes that are connected to Jewish people and Israel and the Christian Judaism values, which is not a thing, by the way.

They don't even actually exist. And his church has organized Israel tours for congregates and followers. He preaches from a Christian Zionist perspective, emphasizing the biblical importance of Israel and encouraging, steadfast support for Jews and the land of Israel and their religion. Although we've talked about us a million times. If you're a Jesus follower, you're a Christian, your beliefs do not necessarily align with Judaism. It just doesn't, not necessarily, it just doesn't.

I mean, you either believe in Jesus or you don't. Judaism doesn't, Christianity does. So you've got to ask yourself as like, why do Christian pastors consistently, instead of spending their time on making people follow Jesus, they spend more of their time on making you believe that Israel is the most important land and Israel is everything you need to believe in. There's reasons behind that. Well, and there's a lot of Christians that follow those beliefs as well. And we are friends, good, good friends with a lot of Christians that believe it's important to back Israel.

Yeah. Yeah, but it's not as important. It's not, in my opinion, it's no more important to back Israel than to back Christians, right? If not in anything, it's more important to back Christianity and the Jesus belief and the followings and the teachings of Jesus than it is to back Israel. okay so you know as that's from a christian perspective and by the way i want to announce again that i will be starting a nude podcast not a nude that sounded like nude i will be starting a new podcast uh the first of the year talking about all these biblical topics and so you guys will be able to follow that i will be announcing what that show is going to be called over the next month or so we're going to go through the bible we're going to talk about what the bible actually says what it really means

not based on what Rob McCoy or or or what's his name what what's the big pastor in Texas Joel Osteen or any of these other pastors I mean there's so many of them that are bought out and paid for and influence now to where it's like just like social media influencers just like mainstream media Christianity and Bible and preachers are also compromised and I mean I'm just I'm not saying that opinion based I'm just saying that when we have this podcast come the first of the year, my goal is for Christianity and Jesus. My goal is not for anything else. And I think that's what Christian pastors are missing. I think that they are missing the point now about what Christianity actually is. And so we'll be

talking about that on a upcoming podcast. So just make sure you're following to make sure what that new show will be. One piece of this where I was, I still don't understand it. And the magic bullet. Okay. Now we all recall what happened. I casually say on the show, hey, I saw the footage. There was no blood. And honestly, when I said it, I didn't process how big of a deal that was with the 30-od-6. Very quickly what happens is Andrew Colvette whips up this tweet about what happened with a bullet. And he said he had, he wanted to address all the discussion that was being had about the online chatter. I'm obviously paraphrasing here. He says, I apologize. It's going to get graphic. But he spoke with the surgeon, the bullets should have gone through, the surgeon that explained that what he's typically

seen on these wounds. And basically, this was all a miracle. Charlie saved lives, even in death. And the internet clocked it, this miracle, the healthy bone, his bone was so healthy and the density was so impressed. Like, this is a quote, by the way, his bone was so healthy. I want to read it. This is allegedly from a surgeon, quote, his bone was so healthy and the density was so, so impressive that he's like the man of steel it should have gone through and through it likely would have killed those standing behind him too and we were just like he that kind of was like the beginning of the w t f right i feel like that was kind of the beginning of it and immediately people in the comments responded to Andrew and he said, this individual said, this post is so fake as it would

violate HIPAA. Like there's patient privacy. You can't just call up the surgeon. And then Andrew Colbert replies and says, rest assured, I would not have posted without full permission. Now, he said he spoke to the surgeon. And they confirmed that Andrew spoke to the surgeon, but that they did not know that he was going to write that tweet. They did not know that he He called up the surgeon. So, like, it very much came across to be. Like, Andrew was just flying by the seat of his pants. I don't, I don't know.

Like, he was just flying dark on it. And I was like, that seems very strange to me because why would a surgeon do that? Like, the first thing the surgeon should say is, I can't speak to you. I don't even know. In theory, Andrew wasn't even there when Charlie died. I don't even know why the surgeon even knows this guy, actually. Maybe he hung around after, but, you know, Andrew was not. not one of the people that got to the hospital or anything like that.

So this is quite literally the PR guy who's calling the surgeon. And so that that just seems, that just seems very inappropriate for a person to do, period. And I would say it was kind of the beginning, but that was, that was what I got from that. Now, obviously we discussed the security. I brought up Brian Harpole, this interview with Sean Ryan. And I think we can believe turning point when they say that they did not approve of this they had no idea he was going on Sean Ryan. I think that's pretty clear. I don't believe he works there. I want to talk briefly about the Hippelaw's and Andrew Colvitt's post. So many of us remember

when the actual post came out to where it says it was a miracle that Charlie Kirk's bone stopped this 30-all-6 bullet and this was a miracle of God. And because likely Charlie Kirk was such a devout follower of God and Jesus that this is likely why this bullet stopped in him outside. of like everything like any other thing we've ever seen in the history of 30 out sixes that are going through deer. I mean, you know, if you hit a deer from 100 yards away with a 30 out six bullet,

even if it hits bone is going to make a decent size entry one and it's going to make a huge gaping exit wound and it's going to cut through every single thing in that. But according to Andrew Colvitt that talked to the surgeon, the surgeon told him, oh, no, this is a miracle. This is miraculous. his bones were like bones of steel like Superman.

It absorbed the bullets. But when you think about hippolaws, hippolars are very strict, number one. And a surgeon cannot disclose the patient's medical details, injury specifics, treatment information, conversations that identify the patient at all to anyone that is not signed in to what his actual medical records would be, which is only typical one person, Erica Kirk. So without the patient's explicit authorization, unless they've very, very narrow exception applies, which is if the surgeon spoke directly to the wife in most cases,

whoever that person is on his medical records. And so this is likely either Andrew Colvert line about what the surgeon said, because I would think the surgeon would never say this to Andrew Colvin. But isn't it crazy that the surgeon never came out publicly or they never had interviews like they normally do in situations? like this? Yeah, because if a surgeon, especially with such a high profile case, like an assassination of Charlie Kirk, like he knows that he would lose his medical license if he talks about the injury specific of Charlie Kirk. Yeah, anybody and especially Charlie Kirk. Because, I mean, with all of the surrounding, I guess you can say theories and the public talk about the Charlie Kirk assassination,

that would be the last thing that you would have wanted to do as a surgeon is talk specifically. details about the injuries. I mean, that would be the last thing. And especially if the FBI is there, the local law enforcement, whoever, they're watching everything probably play out. And I'm sure there were multiple law enforcement officers or agents in this hospital when he was there or very soon after. They're going to be watching everything.

And you also can't have a surgeon talk about this stuff because of the prosecution. When they do find the person, which they hadn't at this time, but when they're they do. This is all very important details that they don't want to disclose. You know, so who was lying here? Was it Andrew Colvert that was lying saying all of this stuff that this is why that there was no exit wound from a 30-0-6 bullet in Charlie Kirk? Was it, was it Andrew Colvin? Or was it the surgeon? And that's an interesting thing because Candace Sowness doesn't really say anything here about that. Like, she should be pressing this. If I was Candace Owens and that was her explanation, that's what they told her. Who's lying then, Candice?

Is it Andrew Colvic or is it the surgeon? Because somebody is. And we got to remember all these ballistic experts also went out and did videos, YouTube videos of them shooting that same very specific bullet through concrete. Yeah, they're concrete through gelatin. And I believe concrete is way stronger than bones. Yeah, typically. And then they also did, you know, gelatin molds with bone structure.

and they've done all kinds of experiments. And in most cases, and I think it's like 99.9% of cases, that bullet goes through and through. There is no absorption of the bullet. Well, I just still, to this day, think it's just very odd with the whole surgeon thing in the beginning. Yeah. You know, the way all this came about, some other dude is talking about what the surgeon said. And normally, they will have like a press conference with the FBI and the CIA or whoever else is with there or the police department. and then maybe they'll allow the surgeon to comment on some things,

but they'll say to them, no, they can't answer certain questions. For sure, yeah, absolutely. And that's all very important, too, because you have to think about this, guys, is that, you know, this is one of the biggest political assassinations of our time. You know, Charlie Kirk assassination is going to go down probably as big as JFK, maybe or close. And so this is huge. And I don't think as a surgeon you can say this type of stuff.

stuff. You just can't, I don't believe it happened. So I just wish that Candace would have elaborated on this or at least pressed Erica on this when like who was lying here. And I remember even when we put that that tweet, the one that Andrew Colbert posted that says bones of steel, man of steel, this is what the surgeon said. I put it through AI and AI said that this is obviously BS. This is obviously trying to make you believe something that isn't medically or scientifically true. is making you based your theories and beliefs on spirituality versus science or based on ballistics or based on all this stuff. And so someone was lying there.

And I wish that Candace would have elaborated on that anymore. So that was kind of him. Just getting out there and perhaps trying to rescue his own reputation. And I think that only made his reputation worse, actually, because people rightfully sense that he wasn't telling the truth in that interview, that he was being cagey, that he was saying things that didn't make any sense. Again, you constantly have these people that believe, like Brian Harple, that with enough performance you can sit down and you're just going to convince people that this is real.

And this is just a different time. Like I said, these TikTokers are out of control. They will check you in four seconds. Okay. Things that, the biggest piece of this that I want to communicate and that I did communicate to them and I hope that they took me seriously on this or rather that they take my strong advice on this. I said one of the reasons why I really want to sit down is because I want to walk out of here

and feel confident saying to my audience, hey, like, they're stuck on behind the scenes, but Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk. Like that more will come out, but you can take it from me that this is what happened. I was looking to achieve that because there's been a lot of singling from various people, some people who are experts, some people who have been involved in Casey. is that there's obviously going to be stuff that the public does not have access to. And so it is at least plausible that they have seen very clear footage that we've been asking for of Tyler Robinson getting up there and taking the shot.

Like they have access to UVU camera. So I was hoping to hear that. And I said that. I want to hear why people feel so confident at Turning Point USA that Tyler Robinson is the guy. and at this point they elected to call the lawyer like you know their their lawyer who is involved in this case one of the lawyers that's involved in this case there's always a team of lawyers especially for something like this and what I got from the lawyer did not make me feel that Tyler Robinson

shot Charlie Kirk it's not make me feel confident that he didn't or did shoot Charlie Kirk I was very surprised by this he spoke a very long time I asked you know can you share with me what it is and I said when you share it was with me I will not say what that thing is if that's what we, if we want to protect the integrity of the case, I'm not going to, if you say, we've got the footage of him taking a shot. I promise I won't say that to the audience, but I will communicate to them that you have something that is solid. And no, to the exact contrary, this guy effectively said, not effectively, he said that they have nothing like, but the affidavit. Okay. So what you have, what we have seen is what they have, what is being discussed publicly.

you are this whole like non-expert problem with like, well, you don't know. It's like what you read, his messages that don't have any dates on it, Tyler Robinson, writing out everything in the clean alibi. That's what they have. And what he explained to me was that that's the affidavit stage. That's where it's at. And then what takes place now is the investigation is ongoing, right? So right now they're looking for more information.

And once investigators, they could very well have obviously footage. and that is why they might feel that, well, we're definitely going to get this prosecution. But the reality is, is they don't actually share that information with the victim. They don't share that information with Erica. In this part of the process,

they will not know what investigators have discovered. This is what the lawyer told me until May. Okay? They have not seen anything that you have not seen. That's what I want you to know. So with that in mind, I'm sitting here going, why are you signaling, why do I feel the public's being gaslit on this?

There's been nothing that's convincing. There are so many commentators who have gone out and said to you, it's overwhelming. The evidence is overwhelming. The text messages that don't have a date that don't even sound real, that's overwhelming. That to me feels really fake and gay. I really do want to say that to every commentator that is out there trying to tell the public and insisting that if you say it enough times it would become real, you're actually just being dishonest. And I offered that a more honest way to communicate would be to say, we think he's

involved. We feel strongly. I've said that. I think he's involved. We are very hopeful that throughout this investigation, we are going to get that concrete thing. And that's where we're at right now. That's just the stage that we are at. That is not what we are getting from them. That is like, I just feel like that's really important to let you guys know, let the gaslighting stop. They have what you have. Okay. There is nothing else. They are in an investigation. stage, Erica has been named as the victim. They will know more in this May hearing, which is the probable cause hearing. That's what the lawyer told me. It's a probable cause hearing. And that's when they will see the evidence. That's when they get to present the evidence why they

are going to stand there before a judge and be like, yes, we need to move this forward. It's not just an affidavit. We're not pulling together scraps. We have concrete evidence. Until then, until we all get on the same page and understand what else they have, I am very confident stating the opposite of all of my, I guess, well-paid peers in that I don't believe that Tyler Robinson pulled the trigger. And what I also said to them was, and I said this in front of the lawyer, because I don't know why I'm like this. I was like, you might need a new lawyer. I was like, because this person's trying to sell to you that this is solid, one of the rules that me and my husband have is that if you have a lawyer that tells you like you're 100% going to win, it's very, it's very clear that you're

going to win. You need to do lawyer. Okay, that's a cheerleader. It's not, that's not a lawyer. A lawyer, even if you should 100% win, should be telling you the risks here. You know, I feel good about this case. Like, let me talk real to you. I feel good about this case. But here's where things could go wrong. I want you to understand those risks that are involved.

We don't have this yet. We don't have that yet. And especially given what I told them, which is I'm the only, your lawyers, or the investigators rather, not their lawyers, because they're not the ones investigating. It's the state of Utah that's investigating. They have not called the one,

solitary person, as I told you guys, who filmed as he was on the roof, remember the guy that's like, oh, there's somebody on the roof and he sees him crouch down. I said, I spoke to that person and his testimony would be devastating to your prosecution. He did not, he saw the person on the roof, he filmed the person on the roof at 12, 23 p.m. And he did not see that person take the shot. And this is not some random student. This is a guy who trains people to shoot guns at a range. he knows guns, okay? He saw, he said what he saw was a smaller gun. He said that this person was dressed in black tactical gear and there was no recoil.

That's devastating to, that would be devastating to the prosecution. And yet investigators haven't reached out now. They, that this person. All right. So that's going to be it for Candice because I don't want to play all of Candice. I think you guys go listen to her live stream that just came out today. we're trying to break down the primary talking points of what Candice Owens and Erica Kirk along with her people that were around her talked about today. Now, I want to talk about a couple things with the last things you said.

Number one, would Erica Kirk in Turning Point USA be able to know definitively what the evidence that the government has or prosecutors have or any of that stuff? Likely not. But there are some exceptions here. Number one, if you are a mother of a child that was killed in this way or a wife of a husband that was killed in this way, a typical normal person, would you know what the prosecutors have? Would you know what the law enforcement have? Likely not. And so the thing that is kind of driving with this point is that over the past couple of months, especially since Candace Soans has been investigating this and coming out with this and saying like why are certain employees? at Turning Point USA lying to us,

turning to point USA and all of the influencers out there. There's tons of them that have said definitively, including Fox News, including all of these people, when Erica Kirk goes on, and they continually say that, hey, we know,

without a doubt, basically, that Tyler Robinson is the murderer. We know that. Fox News says it every day. Well, we know that Tyler Robinson is a killer. We know for sure.

And the weird thing about it is, like, I don't remember many people that have murdered people to where mainstream media wants to go out there and just definitively continue to say that Tyler Robinson is the killer because I promise you mainstream media

and people out there, if Tyler Robinson, when this case comes up and for some reason he is acquitted, y'all are screwed, like legally. I mean, lawsuit-wise, y'all are done. I mean, I'm talking about for multi-multimillions of dollar lawsuits when they play back everything you've said how they're so definitive on that you're the killer

you're the one that did it. We know it for sure. All the influence are saying, oh, we know for sure. All the Turning Point USA employees, oh, we know for sure is Tyler Robinson. There's no one else involved. We know basically everything.

And then when Candace Owens questions their attorney and says, hey, hopefully you're about to give me something that none of us know because you guys are so definitive that you know is Tyler Robinson, especially based on everything that I've questioned. Candace thought that she was about to get some new evidence. You know, and it would actually help the turning point USA, and Erica Kirk and this whole discrepancy between Candace and turn and point, it would help if they said, actually, yeah, we know for sure.

And even Candace said, she would not disclose that. No, yeah, yeah. She said, if you tell me. But would let the audience know that they do have. They have solid evidence. Right. Yeah, absolutely. And that would not hurt the case at all?

No, it would actually help the case. It would help what mainstream media is saying on a regular basis. It would, it would do everything that you would want to do. But they could not do that. because they have the same thing, supposedly, that everybody else does. And they probably do. So then why would you definitively, continually come out and fight the people that are trying to investigate, try to look at all possibilities, all scenarios?

Why would you hate those people? Why would you hate Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson or anybody this question that? Why would you hate that? Instead, they just wanted to convince you that, you know, you're a liar and they're right. and we know for sure that Tyler Robinson is it. He's the shooter for sure. And as Candace Owen just also said, there was a trained expert in firearms that trains people for firearms

that saw this person on the roof, didn't see any blowback, didn't see anything. It didn't look like this guy took the shot, number one. And it didn't look like he had a 30-alt-6. So there are all these things that would desperately hurt the prosecution, which is likely why they want to make sure that people like this, are not out there in public talking because this is not just a Charlie Kirk thing when they have someone as a suspect or a Patsy, which Tyler Robinson may be, we don't know.

You know, it's very similar to if you guys go back to our episode about JFK and that assassination where we talked about the men on the sixth floor book, when you go to that book and you start figuring out like it wasn't just Lee Harvey Oswald, there were witnesses that were there in the room with him. There were six people that were in the room with Lee Harvey Oswald. This was a multiple person effort to kill and assassinate JFK. But we've never been told that. And it's

so crazy that Candice did not bring up any of the other things in their talk yesterday, especially where people saying that even the gun shot didn't appear to come from that same roof. It came from another direction.

None of this was brought up. I want to know what Erica felt about what Candace was investigating. Was she like, thank you for going through all this investigating about my husband? How did, what were her feelings? What were her beliefs about all this? You know, none of this was, I guess, these points weren't given to us tonight. They weren't clear, yeah.

And we still don't really know anything more than we knew before. And it is weird to have, you know, to have Candace sit down with Erica like this and, and we don't really have more answers. I think there's a lot of people that are questioning Candace now. It's like, are you kind of seceding? Are you trying to be like, here's my way out? And it's only going to do bad for Candace because all the people that attacked her are now going to say, look, we told you so. Yeah, you did not go for her and like really ask the questions that need to be asked and pursue them.

Yeah. I mean, some of them were, but some of them were not. And some of the things that Candace has pushed and some of the things that Erica and them may or may not know, we just don't know, right? Now there is a probable cause hearing in May And so what that probable cause hearing is going to show And hopefully I guess it's going to be televised But what I believe by the way, everyone,

They've already had one infraction on the television aspect of the case What I think they're going to plant a media figure in this case If the federal government doesn't come in Which means there's no camera is going to be allowed But if they don't come in and Utah continues this case as a state case And the media is allowed

they're going to send someone in. They're going to get someone in there to continually infract on what the court orders are as far as the media goes to where he's going to eventually have to ban the cameras from the court. That's the way I feel.

They don't want the cameras in there. Even though Erica Kirk said she wants transparency and she wants cameras in the courtroom and she wants the world to see this court hearing go through the process and it to be transparent and everyone see what she's going to see.

Yeah. Yeah, I'll just be curious. Like, is he going to plea before this? Is the court cameras going to be banned before the May probable cause hearing? Because the probable cause hearing is going to be huge. Probable cause is going to say, here's our evidence. This is why we know that Tyler Robinson is the murder, the assassinator. This is all the evidence we have.

Here it is. The world is going to be able to see that May if the cameras are still allowed by May. Yeah, but they wouldn't even let the, well, I guess they did have. have cameras in this last hearing just two days ago. Yeah, but the defense kept saying certain things. Yeah, there was a picture of him, you know, and they keep saying on Fox News, he was smirking and looking at his attorney and laughing like nothing's going on and he's just happy, go lucky. You know, he's not on, you know, in court for a murder of a political figure.

Yeah. Yeah, but the thing about it is is that, you know, they're going to take anything they possibly saw him do at that moment to just push it out there. And so when I see stuff like that, it's propaganda. they're trying to make sure that the public consensus on this entire thing. And they're almost trying to do it too much to make the public know for sure without reasonable doubt that Tyler Robinson is the murderer before they ever even get to court. They did the same thing, by the way, with Kyle Reddinghouse is who I was trying to refer to. Kyle Reddinghouse, the media already said that he was guilty.

And that's what they desperately wanted to make you believe. And the reason why they do that is they want to do that to taint the jury pool. if the mass consensus of people believe that a certain person is guilty, how many people do you think are not going to actually hear what the mainstream narrative is on a killer, especially as something as big as Charlie Kirk? They're going to go in this court case, and they're already going to have a preconceived notion

that Tyler Robinson is a killer. We know that because Fox News told us that CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, everybody. They've already told us he's a killer. So I would be just a piece of shit if I said he wasn't a killer for some reason. You know what I mean? So that's the whole thing with us. And we're going to see how this plays out with Tyler Robinson.

I think they're already just convicting him before he ever actually goes to court. If he is actually guilty, he deserves to rot in prison or get to death penalty. I mean, that's what he deserves. But we'll have to see. There's a lot of unanswered questions here. I want you guys to tell us what you think. Do you think Candace Owen's back down? after this Erica Kirk sit down talk.

Do you think that she should have at least videoed this or live stream this? Do you think that maybe Candace Owens is hiding things now? We don't know. We're just here to try to figure out what is actually going on. But guys, that's going to do it for us. We got a lot more episodes coming. There's so much to talk about. We got the Brown University shooting, which it sounds like they may have a suspect now.

I just saw this about 10 minutes ago. They might have actually identified a suspect. is this going to go also towards anti-Semitism? Is this going to be anti-Republican or anti-conservative? A lot of people were saying that, hey, he was shouting something. They're already saying this. So we don't know what this is. I'm going to guess what they're going to say that he's shot in this free Palestine.

Al-A Akbar. Either that or free Palestine. That's what I'm going to guess. We don't know. No one said what he is shouting or potentially shouted. That's our prediction. Yes. And then also with the Bondi B.

shooting in Australia. Now Israel is starting to ramp up and they're saying that Iran is behind this. They're saying on multiple publications. Also, Israel is saying that Iran has rebuilt their missile facilities. They have rebuilt all their medium and long range missiles. Oh, and guess what's going to happen in Australia? What? Their gun laws are going to be strengthened.

They're going to be stronger than ever now because of the shooting. Yeah, we saw that. And wasn't that just crazy? We were talking about that before it happened last night. Yeah, the next day. two nights ago. Yesterday they announced that. And so they're already moving through, I guess, their parliament or whatever you call in Australia to strengthen their gun laws.

And likely it's going to be just an all-out ban of guns. You're not going to be able to get any weapons no matter what it is. I would almost guarantee you. So we'll see how that also plays out. But guys, that's going to do it for us. We love you all very much. Email us. Share our episode, by the way.

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