Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Candace Owens vs Israel | Charlie Kirk Assassination Theories, Propaganda & Backpedaling

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

Tonight, we’re diving into a firestorm that’s erupted around Candace. She’s been under intense scrutiny for her claim that Charlie Kirk’s assassination was somehow tied to Israel—or to people connected with it. In her newest video, Candace finally responds to the revelations pouring out, are these responses clarifying the truth, or is she backpedaling from her original narrative? We’ll also dig into some of the other theories swirling online, are influencers being paid to push pro-Israel propaganda? Or is this just another layer of conspiracy speculation gone wild? Let’s break it down.Visit our merchandise store HERE

to investigate earth podcast i'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife sherry on tonight's episode we're diving into a firestorm this erupted around candace owens she has been under intense scrutiny for her claim that charlie kirk's assassination was somehow tied to israel or to people connected to israel in her newest video candace finally responds to revelations pouring out are these responses clarifying the truth or is she backpedaling from her original narrative we'll also dig into some of the other theories swirling online or influencers being paid to push pro-Israel propaganda, or is this just another layer of conspiracy speculation gone wild? Let's break it all down right now, guys.

Welcome to the show. It is October the 1st, 2025. I'm pretty excited about this because, obviously, since the Charlie Kirk assassination, we have heard so many theories. I mean, I'm talking about literally everything from it was nothing but pro-leftist. It was some type of Antifa hit job on Charlie Kirk to silence Christians or to silence conservatives, whatever the case may be. And then I think the biggest conspiracy theory that's been everywhere online is the conspiracy

that Israel somehow had something to do with the Charlie Kirk assassination. So what I thought we would do on this particular episode is I want to break down some of what I guess Candice Owens has said in the past, what she has recently said in her newest video. So we're going to break that video down. We're going to give you our thoughts on that. And then we also have some pretty big influencers out there right now that have, as we've said in the past, they have kind of changed their narrative or at least what they've been talking about ever since the Charlie Kirk assassination. A lot of people find this to be very

strange. It is very weird how some people that never talk about politics or they never talk about conspiracy theories or whatever the case is, now all of a sudden is either coming out hardcore against conspiracy theories or maybe those people are coming out in hardcore stance for Israel and not against. And especially going after some of these political influence, or I guess you can say conspiracy influencers such as Candace Owens, Ian Carroll, Ryan Mata. There's the list of them and it goes on and on. Now, one of these people, we do know very well. We are very close with this person.

And so I do kind of at least want to break down some of what people have been saying. It's really hard, to be honest with you, to go on X without seeing Ryan, Ian, Candace, someone that is saying something about certain people that they think may have started to get paid. And we don't actually have this person on the podcast tonight to be able to defend himself about this, although you can go and listen to his nightly live streams. You can get your own, I guess, opinion or take on what you think about this. And one of those people obviously is Ashton Forbes. Ashton Forbes has been on this podcast many, many times. We've had him literally since the very beginning. Ashton came on our show probably about two years ago when he started talking about the MH370 videos.

And we were his very first podcast. He came on. And it was also right around the same time, probably a month or two later, that we started having Ian Carroll on. Ian Carroll was on probably three or four shows of ours, although he wants to pretend like he forgets our podcast name in one of his recent videos, which we don't really care too much. He's like, oh, yeah, there were some like a little podcast that I was supposed to go on in debate. Couldn't even mention our name, which is fine. We don't really care about that. No, it's fine.

It's completely fine. but you know we did give ean carroll the chance uh during i think it was last sunday if i'm not mistaken to come on and debate ashton forbes i literally sent ian carroll a message i said ian will you come on our podcast and debate ashton because ashton had started really calling out ian carroll especially about the conspiracy theories and speculation around israel's involvement into charlie kirk's assassination and so ian agreed uh i would show this messages but i'm not one of those people, although I did share a message between me and Ian that kind of went viral all over X.

That was actually when he backed out. And he backed out about an hour before we were supposed to do the podcast with Ashton and Ian to where they could debate the narrative and theories around Israel's involvement. And so Ashton then came on. We've talked about this on other podcast. He came on. He said what he wanted to say. He hardcore went against Ian Carroll and Candace Owens.

And typically just basically anyone that was kind of pro-conspiracy. theory or didn't think something was adding up with the assassination, I guess, theory or logic or narrative. And so we got some backlash, Sherry, actually, because we didn't stand up to Ashton. A lot of people said or we didn't call it out. Now, I did push back to certain things that Ashton said. And I really listened to it. And I think that we did push back.

And we gave him an opportunity to say what was on his mind because it was supposed to be a debate. So it almost turned into an interview. And that's not our place to debate when we. we say we're not debating him. Yeah, for sure. And also I want to mention, too, that Chad and I already have enough tith between the two of us when it has anything to do with Israel. So we do kind of back away from that subject as much as possible, even though that is in the highlights right now, unfortunately. Yeah, it's the biggest thing. And, you know, if Israel had anything to do with

Charlie Kirk, I will be the first one to come out and apologize to everyone out there saying that Israel, in my opinion, has nothing to do with it. But it's, you know, just kind of cheesy almost that there's so much coming out about it. Yeah. Well, and the funny thing about this is, it's like there is this faction of people, Ashton being one of those, you know, obviously Tyler Robinson recently had his first appearance, or I think it was actually a second appearance. He had his arraignment. Then he had a second appearance, which is essentially where they're going over some of the evidence, like what evidence is there, what evidence is not. His attorney said, look, we have so much evidence in this case to go over that.

we need more time. And we just can't go through this this fast. And so setting dates and all that stuff right now is just going to be really hard for us to do. So obviously the people that have been completely against the Israel narrative around Charlie Kirk's assassination was like, look, guys, you all are going to owe me an apology as soon as this case comes to trial. Now, the question is, will the case ever come to trial?

Will Tyler Robinson ever actually be held on trial in front of the public for us to actually be able to witness? I don't think it will. I do not think Tyler Robinson's. case will actually ever go public. I think that, number one, the federal government, FBI and so on, they have been hardcore trying to figure out some way to make federal charges on this case. And right now, because there are not technically domestic terrorism laws in place in the

United States of America, it's weird, kind of how that works. And there's reasons for why you don't have domestic terror laws because then you can, like if, say, for example, you're Republican and Democrats are in, they could come after you based on your dissent. I guess for their administration based on, you know, a number of things. They could say, look, you know, this guy could threaten our administration or maybe he may go after certain people. So we're going to charge him with domestic terrorism.

So there are reasons why you don't just push this domestic terrorism law through. I think that's a good thing, although we still may see it. But the reality of this is, is that Tyler Robinson right now, it sounds like that there's a lot of evidence against him. Now, there are also tons of questions. And there's a lot of stuff that according to Candace Owens and other influencers online, people that have really been working overtime on trying to figure out like what is what's the deal here? Like why why did Charlie Kirk's memorial look like a WWE event? You know, you had fireworks.

You had literal announcers that look like they were WWE announcers. They're like coming to the stage now we got, you know, whatever. And you had two guys up in the booth. you had a sold-out crowd in Arizona, and then you had Erica Kirk. Now, people have talked some stuff about Erica Kirk as well. You know, Erica Kirk used to be, I guess, Miss Arizona, right, Sherry? Yes. Miss Arizona, she also was on some television show.

I don't exactly remember what show it was. She's been on music videos with some really popular music artists, country artists. I watched the behind the scenes of those. So, yeah, she has acting in her background for sure. so she knows how to be an actress, but I am not going to say that she was an actress. I'm not going to put it out there because, you know, we all mourn differently.

And whatever is, you know, under her, whatever is going on with her, that's the way she's dealing with it. And I refuse to be one of those saying, look, she's waking, you know, she's wiping fake tears away from her eyes. And, you know, I'm just not one to do that. Well, and the weird thing is, like, if you actually watch her speech at the memorial service in Arizona,

where there were all these people there, right? I mean, it did look strange to a lot of people. They were like, you know, she she took a real advantage of certain moments, I guess, is what people are saying. And, you know, was that genuine how she responded and how she reacted? You know, especially when she was looking up into the sky and she was, you know, it was almost like a picturesque moment to where everybody was going to take this picture of the widow of Charlie Kirk.

And they were going to blast it on everything. And they did. And there was obviously some people out there that say, look, you know, I don't know. I don't know if she's genuine or not. But like who is, is it on us to actually say whether or not, yeah, to judge her and say, hey, you know, she's, she's faking it. She's acting. And then of course, you know, towards the end of this, you had her caressing with Donald Trump,

President Trump. And that was a lot of people said was kind of strange as well. But you got to understand that because of the White House, that was the reason why they got that stadium. That's the way they got everything organized so fast. There is no way they would, even. even got the stadium if the White House hadn't have called and helped them. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, so this whole thing is very strange, right? But I'm trying to figure out what should we do first. And by the way, before we actually start with the show, we are going to break down Candace Owens' new video. This is obviously after she has said, look, Benjamin Netanyahu, BB. When Benjamin Netanyahu read the letter or part of the letter on Fox News, I believe it was, this was not long after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, he had read like two lines from this note two lines from this letter that charlie kirk sent him that said like you know how much his support

meant uh you know how much he loved israel all these things and then the official letter allegedly came out now i say allegedly because we don't for sure a hundred percent know like this is exactly the letter that charlie kirk sent um although that's what turning point usa has released and so we are as of right now going to go ahead and go with that this is a letter that charlie kirk sent and on our last episode actually I was thinking I was like well you know what I need to do is I need to actually go over this letter just to kind of read it out a little bit to just at least show you guys what this whole thing was all about so let me go ahead and get into this and this is the actual letter that Charlie Kirk sent to BB Netanyahu in May and I'm going to go ahead and share this real quick let me go ahead real quick here And we're going to go ahead and talk about, like, what does this letter mean exactly? Like, is, you know, what's to deal with this? So here's the actual letter.

It says, this is from the AF post. The letter Charlie Kirk sent to Netanyahu and May advised the Israeli leader on how to counter anti-Israel sentiment among Gen Z and the information war being waged against the Jewish state. In the letter, Kirk stressed that Israel needs a communications intervention with the American public, stating that dwindling, support for the Holy Land pains him to see, and to combat rising anti-Zionism among the youth, Kirk urged Netanyahu to create an Israel Truth network staffed by young people to convey that Israel is a great friend of America to Gen Z Americans, to bring Israelis held hostage in Gaza on a speaking tour across the country to conduct on the street interviews with Israeli minority groups entitled, dude, you got us wrong. And to have more of the Netanyahu's own clips translated from

Hebrew and to English. Kirk also suggested that Israel could do more for America, such as offering hurricane aid with a star of David on it in order to boost American political and military support, pleading with Netanyahu to stop subcontracting Hezbara efforts to American surrogates. Kirk pledged to push the propaganda to his young audience, identifying himself as a defender of Judeo-Christian-Gio-Christian civilization. Kirk assured Netanyahu of his unwavering pro-Israel stance and, insisted that his concerns came from a place of love for Israel and the Jewish people.

And so if you guys actually want to see the letter, this is from the desk of Charlie Kirk, it says, and this is the entirety of the letter, although I basically just read out exactly what it said. So, you know, to me, and as soon as I saw that, I was like, okay, well, that's a little strange, right? I mean, it's strange because if you think about it that way, Charlie Kirk seemed like he was trying to help Israel and Benjamin Net and. to figure out a way to propagandize the American public and especially the American youth.

Now, we also know there was something that was posted not long ago. There was a couple of whistleblowers through various sources and means. Some of them allegedly from within Turning Point USA that have said that I guess Israel has hired one of Donald Trump's, I guess, a former, I don't know if it's like public relations director or someone for President Donald Trump. This was, I believe, during the first part of his terms of the first month, Donald Trump then later fired him. From what we're understanding and hearing is that Israel did hire this person to go and reach out to Gen Z influencers, the people that are actually out there influencing huge right now. So you might consider Ian Carroll or Candace Owens or just name the influencer out there that is talking about the Charlie Kirk assassination or any of the pro-Israel anti-Israel talking points.

But one of the things he was supposed to do was he was supposed to do. was he was supposed to go out there and figure out ways to get the influencer to talk more pro-Israel. So what does that mean? Well, that likely means that he is going to figure out a way on behalf of Israel, the propaganda or A-PAC or whoever. I mean, A-PAC has a ton of money. We know how much A-PAC funds the United States politicians and government. They're just, that's not a conspiracy theory. That's a fact.

I mean, anyone can look up how much money, A-PAC actually, how much they put into our government and our politics. but what they sounds like they want to do is they want to use a lot of this money now for influence, right? They want to use this to influencers. So then you start having some conspiracy theories, right? There are some conspiracy theories out here. And I want to find this real quick because, and listen, this pains me to see. And I hope, I hope and pray that this is not true. I really, really do hope it's not true.

And I don't think it's true. I really don't. And we're going to get an answer to this because we're going to bring Ashton Forbes on because, And the reason I bring up Ashton Forbes again is because literally this is everything that we are hearing about every single time. Well, and I just want to mention, too, when we did bring Ashton on for the debate, you know, even Chad was like, Ashton's just acting so different and so strange. And he said that right after the podcast. He's like, I just don't understand what's going on.

And, you know, before Ashton was never about conspiracies. He's never been about conspiracies. And he tried to always stay out of politics. his focus was on the missing aircraft and that was it and science and free energy and and at you know ether and things like that things that either that are above my head yeah that was his entire life that was what he has dedicated his entire life to and so I get on these are type of posts like what we see so this is top lobsta big account on X you know it shows ashton Forbes picture and he literally retweets this and it says chees

Trumpster and this is another person that says which influencers are being bought off we need answers now the actual post talks about israel is paying influencers seven thousand dollars per post net yahu referred to this week to a community pushing out preferred messaging in u.s media and boy are they making a princely some and so that was a article there are other articles out there and of course the first person i see is ashen forbes you know this is what we're seeing everywhere on x now i'm not saying the ashen is guilty of this so let me just make that very clear because I don't believe I've said this before I don't believe Ashton is guilty of this but we just we all have to be very cognizant of who we're listening to

we got to we got to understand pattern changes like what are people doing are they shifting narratives very fast and why you know why is someone that never talked about a certain subject or whatever it is all the sudden talking all about this subject and completely moving on from whatever they were on now for Ashton's sake and to Ashton's defense I guess here I could say that look he's done MS-370 for two years he is still moving in the direction of zero point energy he has talked to damn near everyone he can possibly talk to when it comes to scientists at least the people that will talk to him you know he's reached out to the United States government multiple times he has done tons of FOIA request through you know through all the other I

basically all the groups that they have created within the government to talk or handle UFOs. So A-Tip, you know, all the other organizations, he's sent in FOIA request to the Pentagon. And so what more can Ashton do besides continuing on with the zero point energy? Is this just Ashton's way of breaking into the political space? Because, hey, maybe this is the time. And Ashton himself has said on his podcast on his show, look, you know, I, something changed me after Charlie Kirk's assassination. and I saw according to Ashton a lot of grifters that were trying to use the Charlie Kirk's assassination for anti-Israel talking points or rhetoric.

Now, the only thing I will say without getting too much in detail about this, because the only way I'm going to get into detail about this is if we have Ashton on, and we will likely have him on in a very near conversation because otherwise I'm not going to sit here and give my, yeah, and bash Ashton or whatever, because I don't know. I would like to talk to him in person and see what he thinks. now do I agree with everything he's been saying no but then you also have posts like this so i want to get to another so ryan matta is has been a guy that has been really big into this charlie kirk assassination stuff he has been all into the candis owens ian carroll realm he is a part of that realm i woke up this

morning and saw this video and this was ryan matta that posted this and obviously ian carroll had shared his post and said hey everybody should uh listen to ryan mattie because he is talking about what he, his recent message he got about Ashton Forbes. I will go ahead and play that right now. So let's play this. Hey, remember that crazy UFO dude? It was talking about planes disappearing in the sky. Yeah, well, now he's threatening to destroy me and Ian Carroll.

Let me show you this text that I just woke up to. This is bizarre. So he's obviously communicating with somebody over here in text. And he said, this is Ashen Forbes. Don't bother. I'm going to destroy your friends, including Ian and Ryan. That must be me and Ian Carroll. And he said, but why?

And he said, well, I hope you get the mental help you need. Dude, this dude is off his rocker, man. So if anything ever happens to Ian Carroll or myself, we get attacked in any way, shape, or form, this dude should be suspect number uno. And that really makes me question all those UFO videos and all he's finding he's just magically this one dude he gets lucky enough to get the magic video leaked to him

that magically shows a military. Like, that had come from somebody in our military. He would have had to leak that video. and he just got that lucky to get it and become this whistleblower, and he's leading this conspiracy about crafts and blah-d-da-d-d-d-bizar. And now he's so hell-bent on attacking me and Ian. Who does that? That's disgusting, bro.

And I think it's fucking crazy and I'm waking up to death threats, basically a few hours after Candace Owens breaks this story wide open and tells us that Turning Point, USA, yeah, in 48 hours prior to his death, Tarley wrote a letter to all of the higher-up Jewish executive donors. And he said that he was pulling his subpoena. support for Israel 100%. So they might need my help.

Okay. I'm going to state this. I'm going to challenge to turn to the USA executives to issue a very clean. All right. So there you go. That is, we're going to get to that clip and we're going to break that whole thing down just so

you guys know. Yeah. I just want to make a point, though, when Ashton says, I'm going to destroy you and your friends. He's not talking about death threats. He's talking about debating them,

that he will destroy them in a debate because that's the way Ashton is. In Ashton's mind, he feels like he can debate anyone. and destroy anyone in a debate. He would never, ever commit a threat against somebody's life because that is definitely not Ashton. And I'm going to stand up right now because, as a matter of fact, I don't even even really

know this guy this well. I just seen him recently when all this Candace stuff came out. And I almost feel like this guy is kind of a little bit of a grifter because he's jumping onto this Candace Owens and Ian Carroll thing and putting his name into it because he got a text. Yeah. So who is the grifter? I'm just saying. Yeah, we don't know.

I mean, you know, Ryan Mata. I mean, he's been around a while. This is not the only thing he's talked about. Although, yes, he is getting a lot of notoriety right now because of this, right? But, you know, and Ashton went on and he's been on many, right? He's talked about Dave Smith. He's talked about Ryan Mata and Ian, of course. Obviously, you guys, if you have not heard him on our podcast, he also talked about that.

You know, he went in detail about this. but I want to go ahead and play a clip too. This is him talking about Dave Smith. Very, very quick clip, but I will play this for you guys so that you can see something he had recently said about Dave Smith. Let me get this pulled up. I know Dave Smith knows that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk.

Dave Smith knows that. If you're one of Dave Smith's retarded followers and you don't realize that he knows Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk, that's why I challenged Dave Smith to a debate today. because I want him to respond and say that he knows that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk because then all his followers are going to turn on him. 100%. They're going to turn on him and call him a massage show.

And that's the reason why he won't say anything. That's the reason why he's afraid of me. Because these people are afraid to be the same exact thing with Ian Carroll. You think Ian Carroll is really that stupid? No, he's not that stupid. Ian Carroll knows that Charlie Kirk was killed by Tyler Robinson. He's just lying and grifting on the internet for money. It's really that simple.

And he can't tell the truth because then all his followers will turn on him. Ashton, what he says, now, listen, I will be the first to say, I'm not one of those people. They're just fully 100% on board that Tyler Robinson is the only person that committed this atrocity, committed the assassination, pulled it off, you know, very well, actually. If you look at just assassinations in general, the kill shot, the everything. and then also just how dumb this person was supposedly after the fact when you got away with it. You could have got away with it except for you literally did everything not to get away with it. You were texting your boyfriend. You were texting and messaging supposedly about this in Discord, although Discord denies that.

You were taking apart supposedly and then putting together back a gun and then hiding it somewhere, which you told your boyfriend in a text message where you were hiding the weapon. Oh, and left your clothes with the weapon. and then left your clothes with a weapon. But, you know, but so there's a lot of people that obviously when Ashin's saying this, there's a lot of people who said, you know, is he being paid? Because like to completely discredit all theories and all conspiracies around this is crazy. And we should not do that, right?

I actually had, there was someone I was watching on YouTube the other day. And I completely agree with this. Keep the conspiracy theories coming. And you'll me tell you why. Because the moment that we quit questioning things, the moment that we stop speculating, the moment that we stopped talking about the things like this, which is such a huge moment in American history, I mean, no, Charlie Kirk is not JFK, but JFK was massive. We didn't have the opportunity when JFK was assassinated to talk and conspiracize and theorize what may have happened or who may have been involved.

We didn't have the information at our fingertips like we do today because it likely would have been solved a lot faster if we would have had all of the information back then. If we would have had the public pressure from social media and from the influencers like, we have today other than just depending on mainstream media. Because if we think that mainstream media is telling us the truth about everything, we know that they literally lied to us damn near about everything they say. It was they lied to us about COVID. They've lied to us about Trump. They've lied to us about everything.

And yet for some reason, we're supposed to just believe the narrative about Tyler Robinson, that he's the only guy. Israel has no involvement. Nobody else has any involvement unless is liberals, unless is the far left, then yes, that is the only narrative we're going to go with. But there are just so many unanswered questions.

And then Ashton also had another post, which I will also pull up. And this post that Ashton had was talking about a, I think what his actual post said was, I'm sorry I had to dress down your favorite comedians and YouTube experts. But I need this world to be less stupid. The reactions are worse than a crazy ex-girlfriend. I'm moving on. I'm going to go be with someone else now, quote. That's what he says.

but I want to go ahead and play this as well. This is what he said about your favorite comedians or YouTube experts. Listen. Go look at the internet. Go look at how many people are buying into all this stupid like Israel propaganda nonsense. All the people that are buying into the conspiracies. Literally, I had Clint Russell. I couldn't be more disappointed in this guy.

I've gone on his podcast twice. He's a libertarian. And he's sitting here going, the FBI always lies. Nothing the FBI says is real. I'm like, dude, the FBI is not some monolith. It's not some evil entity. It's made up of humans, regular people. And I've got Clint Russell going, the FBI always lies.

Like, dude, if this is your mindset, like, no wonder they're not afraid of the videos coming out. People are literally too dumb to figure anything out in this world. They can't even believe when we've got overwhelming evidence, overwhelming evidence of the guy that shot Charlie Kirk, Tyler Robinson. And people are out here like, nope, everything that they released is a lie. It's all fake, except for my online schizzoes. Those people are all telling the truth because they're doing internet analysis. I'm here to tell you, your internet schizo favorite person has zero credibility and never has.

They have less credibility than the FBI does by a wide margin. And if this hurts people's feelings out there, because I see the hurt feelings everywhere, literally feels like I'm breaking up with a girl that I just don't want to be with anymore. And she just can't get over it. No, Ashton, please. Please, look, we can work it out. We can be together. You don't get the message.

I don't want to be with you anymore. Sorry, schizzo's. Sorry, conspirators. We're done. you you you lost the plot you fell down the rabbit hole i tried to teach you and you just didn't get the message you're not taking the hint i'm moving on i'm going to go be with someone else now i'm going to find someone that appreciates me for myself for who i am i mean look he's funny there's no question that is hilarious but you know here here's what i will say is that i hope

I hope no one is paying Ashton. And the reason I say this is because the reason I really hope that no one's paying Ashton is because his going forward with this and kind of his talking points and what he's saying to his audience is going to turn, I would probably venture to guess a lot of his audience against him. So is, you know, is he, is this some type of back end operation from the government to discredit Ashton? Is it a way maybe that someone came along and said, hey, you know, go along with this. Maybe we'll pay you. I'm not saying Ashton's paid. I'm just saying I hope he isn't because

if he is, it's not going to do him any favors. And that's just the way I look at it. And especially if you call people conspirators or schizzoes or whatever for people that are asking questions about certain things, especially huge assassinations like Charlie Kirk. I mean, you know, and especially coming from the guy that was, has been behind in this, the MAHC3-7, yeah, the one of the biggest conspiracies of all time. And then also talking about how much our government lies to us on a regular basis and how much they have basically hoodwinked us and pulled the veil over our face. This is what you've been saying for two years. And now all of a sudden, you're saying that's not at all the case.

And the FBI is actually not a bad agency. And, you know, it's just weird. And obviously, people are going to ask those questions. And we're going to bring Ashton. and we're going to ask him the same questions because it doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense to a lot of people. And Ashen's still a great friend of ours. Oh, absolutely.

But he really is a great friend of ours. Yeah. We got to find out because look, you know, if you're calling people conspirators, which, by the way, I don't know if he knows the name of, I don't know if he knows the name of our show, which is Investigator of Conspiracy Podcast. And by the way, how many conspiracies have come true? Yeah. I mean, like 90% of conspiracies. I mean, yes, there are some things obviously out there. are just batshit crazy.

I will give you that. But the reality is is that a lot of conspiracies are, number one, based on politics. Number one, they are based on things in our government. That's why back in a day, Sherry, when I was like, you know, the people that were like, why do you guys got to talk about politics? You guys are a conspiracy podcast. Why are you always talking about politics? I was like, name, like, name conspiracies that isn't related to the government.

Or name conspiracies that the government doesn't have some involvement covering up. Because in most cases, all conspiracies come back to the government. And the government hides that from us for a reason. And guess what? There's a reason why the government created Operation Mockenberg. There's a reason why the government heavily influences and funds social media companies and mainstream media companies because they want to control the narrative. They want to be able to control the conversation.

And if they are up to no good or they are being corrupt or they're trying to cover something up, they need media and they need the social media conglomerates to make. sure they're on board for this. There's not a lot of social media companies, even though the guys like Instagram and Mark Zuckerberg and whoever, they're coming out and saying, oh, we're going to be less, you know, less censorship. We're going to be less this. Yeah, maybe for everything pro-Trump, but then the actual conspiracies that really

matter, right, like Epstein, like Israel, like all the other stuff that we're talking about, those things they still censor. Those things they still silence. That's why we went from 30 million views on our videos. on Instagram in a month to like none because I posted one of the videos that shows someone's sign language in behind Charlie Kirk. And I literally didn't say this is the, you know, whatever. I just said, why are people sign language in behind him prior to the assassination?

That's all I said. And we got banned on basically everything, blacklisted, demonetized. We weren't making money anyway, but you know what I'm saying. So conspiracies matter. And people talking about conspiracies matter. And, you know, there's no way that we should ever be like. in any way, shape, or form, look, if you're talking about something anti-government or the government might be doing something behind her back or lying to us, then you're an idiot or you're stupid or

you shouldn't say that, then you've got to start asking questions like, why are you all of a sudden so on board with something that we never in a million years saw you doing? And so that's all I'm saying. So that leads me to what we're actually here for, which is the Candace Owen's video. Now, this is where she's got a lot of heat. Now, she's been getting a lot of heat in all of her videos. But we're going to break down this video and see what she says on her YouTube. If you guys have already seen it, great.

But if not, we're going to break it down anyway here, give you our thoughts as we go forward. And the only thing I will say is, before we get into it, go ahead and make sure you follow us on all of our social media channels. We've been debating back and forth, like, where we put these videos. And for those that are audio listeners, we will usually release the videos a couple days later. but we are also going to have video only podcasts. So we're going to still do the same amount of audio podcast, but we're going to add video podcasts. So we're going to be working more hours,

longer times, but we want to be able to give our audience both audio and video. We want to be able to give you everything instead of just releasing the same video for the audio that you've already listened to. We want to be able to incorporate that as well. But right now we've just been trying to decide like what platform do we really utilize

because I still don't think YouTube is a censorship-free platform at all. I think they're lying through their teeth. You know, they recently said that they were going to start restoring accounts. Well, Alex Jones wasn't restored. Well, he was actually briefly. And then, actually, no, sorry, he wasn't restored. He went and created a new account because it's all right, cool. There was a couple of Congress people that got a letter from YouTube.

And so Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes went and created a new account on YouTube. And it wasn't like 12 hours later. Yeah, they were banned already. Again. And so they said it was because that. YouTube's policy says that someone that has been banned is not allowed to create a new account. But, you know, what YouTube was trying to do was they were trying to tell people in Congress that, hey, look, we're going to make sure that we restore freedom of speech.

We do all these things. But the reality is they're just bullshit. They just want to get through Trump's term long enough into where they can then go back to full censorship of whoever, you know, whoever gets in office next or whatever the party they're actually paid by, whoever that may be and that could be various people. But also we do have a merchandise store. We got some great fall merchandise. We got some hoodies.

We got some sweatshirts. We got some cool stuff out there. We're going to be changing our designs very soon. But we always have our Investigator Earth logos. So go check that out. Investigatororstor.com. It'll be in the description. And so without further ado, the name of this video from Candace Owens is dead or alive who betrayed

Charlie Kirk. And so we'll go ahead and play that now. And by the way, As we play that, you know, like Chad said, she is getting a lot of heat, but she's getting a lot of heat in a positive and negative way. There are so many people that are thanking her for the great investigation going on. Yeah, for sure. So I think she's getting heat in both directions. So, you know, some of it's good and some of it's bad.

What I will say, though, is that sometimes when you're over the target, that is when you get the most flak. That is when you get the most heat. I'm not saying she's correct. I'm just saying that they are trying to destroy her career right now. and you know you got to ask yourself why if it's not true and if it's all just BS you know number one like why even care you know if someone's lying about you you know it then why even talk about it right and I did find it interesting that you know BB Dent Yahoo had to come out you know three days after the assassination like we had nothing to do with Charlie Kirk's assassination he literally did an entire video talking about how and why they didn't have anything to do with it and read part of Charlie Kirk's letter yes so here is the Candace Owen's video let's check it out together, guys. It took him a little over two weeks, but now Bibi Netanyahu, with maybe a little help from Turning Point USA, I'm thinking, is releasing the letter, the May love letter from Charlie Kirk to Israel, just out of nowhere. He just overcome with love for Israel. And he decided to write this

love letter to the prime minister about how they could fight harder, how they commit themselves further to the Israeli cause. We're going to get to that. And we're just going to slaughter that narrative that Charlie died pro-Israel. But first, I want to jump right back into what we uncovered yesterday to keep you guys focused. I presented to you guys in short that the gubernatorial candidate, Phil Lyman, was a bit, in my opinion, too involved in the investigation of who assassinated Charlie Kirk. Just he was saying and doing a little too much.

And his energy was weird. And the energy of Tiffany Barker was weird. and we were clear that's potentially just because, you know, he's a politician, an aspiring politician. Maybe he wants to assert himself as a leader in Utah. This assassination has taken place. But I also felt like maybe he potentially knew a bit more than he was letting on. Now, the Lyman family in general was everywhere all over this investigation. We introduced, and I said his name was Shane.

I'd like to correct that record, his nephew, Shainer Broderick. who rather notoriously retraced the footpath of the killer with his two close friends. They were like, here, here it is. The converse footprint is right here. They even created a map, okay? Schener even created a map of where exactly the killer walks and the media used his map. And of course, the Lyman's car was in the driveway just 20 minutes before I, Phil Lyman reiterated to Fox News,

it was just 20 minutes before I pulled into the driveway, my aunt's house, and I parked my car, and then 20 minutes later, the killer was limping by. Now I'll let you guys know that when our episode finished yesterday, I had a message or two from Phil Lyman, despite the fact that I had reached out to him hours before we began, our show. And he was understandably upset. He at first was sort of focusing his,

his energy toward Nick, the person that I told you, worked on his campaign and just wanted to help out in the investigation. Now, Phil would like me to clarify that Nick never worked on his campaign. And by the way, I looked back and that was actually my mistake, not Nick's. I thought that when Nick had first introduced Lyman to me over the phone that he said, oh, like I am, you know, I'm working on his campaign. And apparently that was not accurate. So I take full credit for that. that was completely, again, something. Did not realize this. We've had Phil on our podcast before.

Yes. Okay. Wasn't he the guy that they were going against and he had all the popular vote kind of? Yes. And yes. Yeah. So we've had Phil Lyman on our podcast before. He is, I mean, it's nuts because I heard about the Phil Lyman thing or Lyman.

I guess I heard this in the video. And this is the first time I'm actually watching this video in its entirety with you guys. So I had heard about the Phil Lyman. thing, right? I heard about, you know, or I guess I heard the name Lyman that Candace was talking about. And the strange thing about it was it didn't connect in my mind until just then. And then they showed, they showed his picture. And I was like, oh, shit. We've had him on our podcast. Like, we know him. We know him. We've talked to him outside of the podcast, talked to him on the podcast. He's a friend of ours and a friend of a friend of ours, like a very close friend of ours,

not Phil but a very close friend of ours, very close friend to him. Sorry. And so very interesting that Candace is now saying that it's weird how interested that Phil is with this Charlie Kirk assassination. Now, what I do remember, and if you guys want to go back on our podcast on Spotify, if you're watching somebody to go back on Spotify, but either way, the actual episode we had with Phil Lyman was Trump 2024 election integrity with Phil Lyman, Utah governor candidate.

And he had talked about how that essentially then, I believe it was Spencer Cox and how they were kind of circumventing him to become governor. They wanted to keep him out of the governor race. And a lot of the stuff they did was very dirty. That was the entire reason we had Phil Lyman on the show. So I do encourage you guys to go back and listen to that episode. And what I will do is reach out to Phil, especially after this episode and see if he wants to come on and respond to Candace Owens on our podcast about this. because that's wild to me. I just did not realize that's who she was talking about.

Let's continue listening. The thing that I came up with by accident. Now, the other things that he was interested in me clarifying were also not really substantive issues. And I want to say that Nick, having not worked on his campaign, actually makes it even more odd that he would stop by his house this past Saturday. Well, regarding why, by the way, he stopped by Nick's house at all on Saturday. He said that it was because he was helping Nick out early on in the investigation.

Yes, that is true. I told you guys that. And Nick was particularly asking him to determine who owned a white vehicle that was parked in the neighborhood, which was nearby where the shooter had walked. Nick lives nearby. And everyone locally had looked at this vehicle and said that it was remarkably suspicious. and Phil had come back to him and said, I can help you, just figure out more about this vehicle that was parked.

Nick had nothing but a picture of that. But that was over two weeks ago. So I have no idea why that would have anything to do with why he was stopping by Nick's place. Obviously, that car is long gone. It's been gone. And the fact that it appeared and then disappeared is one of the reasons why Nick wanted somebody to look into it.

So I'm not entirely clear why he needed to stop at Nick's house to speak to him and why that would be on his list of things to do. Now, I am told, according to a very strong source, what Phil Lyman was doing in town on Saturday was he was meeting with Tim Ballard. That's totally random, did not expect to hear that. Tim Ballard, if you are not familiar with him, is formerly of Operation Underground Railroad, which is a charity that is dedicated to helping to stop human sex trafficking.

I even remember, by the way, when we were all speaking about that plane transponder that turned off that the individuals that owned that plane were wearing an Operation Underground Railroad T-shirt. So I wasn't expecting that. I am going to reach out to Tim Ballard. I know him. I've actually interviewed him. And I used to donate to that charity because I was so moved by my interview with him when I was working for Prager University. But moving on from that, Phil also disputes something that was quite strange, that Shana Broderick.

is his nephew. I said, okay, wait a minute. Actually, Shainer Broderick literally posted that on his Instagram. He said, my uncle, Phil Lyman. But Phil seems like he's trying to distance himself for some reason from Shainer. He said, actually, maybe Shainer's confused. We're just cousins. We're just cousins.

Okay. Well, Shainer must have been very confused because it was also posted on his LinkedIn as a connection that Phil Lyman was his uncle. It's probably part of the reason, politically speaking, that he was chosen for an internship with Senator Mike Lee of Utah. I feel like that was a little bit of political maneuvering. So I'm not clear why that he's suddenly saying that it's not his nephew. Anyway, it's not up to me.

I'm not here to get into the middle of a family feud. But something interesting happened since our episode, Shainer completely wiped his LinkedIn page. He doesn't want to know who he's connected to. he's also complete all right i got to pause for a second because obviously she's still talking about phil uh she's talking about mike lee uh which we you know know somewhat about as well won't go into that but no very well but but here's the thing so i i don't exactly 100% get where kandis is going with this phil lyman thing number one and uh i literally while she's been talking i'm texting right and so because i i want to kind of get to the bottom of this in my initial reaction to

candace starting to sound like that she is trying to somehow vindicate or or implicate implicate phil lineman in some type of cover up or whatever this behind the scenes or whatever the case may be i'll just tell you this just just based on kind of what i know the limited information that I know, not limited, I guess, but I don't see that happening. I don't see that being a thing because if anything is kind of the reverse or opposite of this.

I mean, if you want to talk about, you know, corruption in Utah, I don't think it's on behalf of Phil Lyman. I think it's on the other side, if you want to be honest, I mean, you know, if you look at Spencer Cox, for example, when, you know, right after Charlie Kirk was assassinated and Spencer Cox came on and he gave this like,

moving motivational speech that was like a almost presidential type address to some degree. It was like a motivational thing. It was like something he had really prepared for and planned on and written down and got a team of writers to make sure that it hit good and hard, you know. And then, but then also knowing about kind of some of the politics behind the scenes leading up to the governor election in Utah. Very strange. I just wanted to point that out because, I don't know.

It seemed a little bit crooked to me. I'm just going to put it out there. Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, is Phil somehow involved in this is basically what Candice Owen's saying here? Whatever. Let's continue listening. Completely wiped his Facebook page entirely.

And regarding his Instagram, he's privatized it, but he privatized it and then removed all of the photos of his investigation into who Charlie Kirk's killer was. Now, that doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand that. I can't make sense of why you would just move to delete everything when I've reached out to you, as opposed to speaking to me about where you were, why you shot this video, and maybe sending me that video in general. But again, that is now a dead end. Now I asked Phil Lyman three times via text, whether or not he could help us, more importantly,

identify the two individuals that were in the photo with his nephew or cousin, if you will, And he was kind of pretending to be confused about what photo in particular I was referring to, despite the fact that I sent it multiple times in the text chain. And then finally he said that he had no idea who those two individuals were at all. I thought that's interesting. This is allegedly your nephew cousin. You guys are all chilling on this block around the same time. He's with these two individuals.

You've never heard of them. You've never seen them. Nothing because I got to identify that guy in the blue hat. many of you figured out, by the way, and wrote to the tips box exactly what we were interested about in that person with the blue hat. You noticed the same thing that we noticed.

He kind of resembles, certainly more so than Tyler Robinson does, the blurred image of the individual that was coming up the stairs. I couldn't look away from that. I was going through the photos and I was going, hmm, I would just like to quickly identify that individual and check him off

and just know where he was because, yeah, It looks to be about the same height. It's weird. Oddly, this is, when I say oddly, I mean, this has never happened in the history of all of our investigations. No one emailed us to say that they knew either of those two individuals, neither the blonde that's with Shainer or the person that is wearing the blue hat that is with Shainer. I said, that's weird. Nobody in the whole wide Candice Owens universe of investigation. it was making me believe maybe those two individuals are like, I don't know, from overseas.

Like maybe they're not even American. And it turns out, yeah, we were able to identify one of those individuals in the photo and he is Austrian. So no wonder nobody recognized him. I mean, what? Austria? What's this Austrian guy doing? How did we get here?

Anyways, his name is Gerno Omer. And we were able to find that his feelings. matched with photos from a blog post that was written in German that was basically entitled Anniversary Hike, 10 years on foot to the sea. The blog is about a group of 30-year-olds who were recreating a hike that they took together when they were 20. Now, I don't even know if I'm saying his name right, Gernog, Gernot. I guess it's a, it is a common name in Austria.

And there are a few photos of him that were available. We were able to find his face also matched up in a YouTube video for a company called Bering Point, where he is seen with a group of people and is introduced as one of their software development teams, a member of one of their software development teams. So let's take a listen to that clip from YouTube. This is the Bering Point office in Gratz. This is where Bering Point's key technology competencies are concentrated. This is one of our software development teams. Some people are managers and some are not. It doesn't matter.

It's all one team. Very recently, he moved to Utah, according to his LinkedIn, which I hope doesn't get wiped. I'd love to get in touch with him. In May of 2024, he moved to Utah to become a software engineer

for J.P. Morgan and Chase. And I guess the story goes that he became best friends with Shainer Broder. I don't know. We'll find out. Now, what about the other guy, right? So yesterday we were kind of poking fun at the narrative that Phil Lyman seemed to be trying

to spin suggesting that quote unquote, gothic girls might have been suspicious, that they maybe could have been responsible or aware, at least, that the shooting was going to occur. That was a part of his story. He saw these gothic girls and they seemed unfazed in all of the chaos, you know? and I thought that was an interesting way to describe someone as Gothic. Gratefully, Phil Lyman did send us footage of him after the shots rang out. And I am saying shots plural for a reason, because we will show you that video.

But first I want to recap what specifically Phil said publicly about where he was when the shots rang out. Because I vaguely remembered him painting a picture that he was outside. that certainly seems to be what he told both Alex Jones and News Nation that he was outside when the shot rang out. Let's take a listen to what he said on Alex Jones. Just yesterday, someone comes in and says, yeah, we've got video. He came off the roof. He came up here to the parking lot, got in the car with an individual and they drove away. Well, that's not the story that came, that he escaped another route.

And there are people who are coordinating this thing. I do not believe that that 30 out six that they showed recovered in the bushes was ever on the roof. I think it was in the bushes to start with. And now I'm not saying that Tyler Robinson wasn't on the roof. I'm not saying he didn't pull a trigger. I was in very, very close proximity. So another interesting thing, like I said, I left the front of the stage. I wanted to meet some of my friends and bring him down front.

So I was clear at the east end, and I heard this loud boom. I heard this loud bang. And I turned around and looking like, what was that? what was that? And pretty soon some people started running. Everyone was trying to process. And I thought, this is a gunshot. And there's going to be more of them. I thought it could turn into a mass shooting. So I go to the people closest to me. Everyone's ducking down behind the concrete retaining walls. And some of them were still kind of oblivious. But there were two people that were standing there. Two girls, very goth, very black, you know. And then I just walked,

and I stepped up to the side of them. I said, did that not happen right here? Did, did, you hear that? Was that right here? They said, yeah, it was just right over there. So they're confirming, yeah, the shooter or wherever that sound came from is right here. The thing that didn't really dawn on me is that they were not running. They were not frightened. In fact, as I stepped up, I heard one of the girls and they were talking to each other and they're looking at these kids, looking at the scene down below them of all these people fleeing for their lives. And she says, go F yourselves. And like I say, I was not processed. And I was trying to figure out what was going on. I thought this is a separate conversation.

I don't know what it is. In hindsight, as I've watched that over and over, it's like these people were not afraid. Okay, and on News Nation, I want you to listen carefully because he at first says that he was about to walk into the building and the shot rang out. But then he says he ran out of the building after the shot rang out. So let's take a listen to that.

I walked up top. I had to go meet some people. So I said, so I was down there. When he started talking, I thought, I'm going to go up top and meet some of the people. So I got clear up on top. And I was just coming around. the corner walking into one of the buildings and I heard a loud bang that I thought was right

behind me and I turned around, looked at the girl that was there and she was kind of looking stunned like, what was that? And I'm looking at her and then see a little bit of commotion. I realize right then it's a gunshot. So I ran out, the people running in the building, I ran out to see who it was. I'm thinking, this is a lot of kids out here. And then a few minutes later, then the police were running saying, did anybody see, did anybody see? I think it was on the roof above me. I really, is the only thing I could figure because it's like he has to, it had to have been very, very close to where I'm standing. And in hindsight, I think it was probably above me on the roof. Okay. So a couple of those statements are what I would describe as little lies.

Well, they're just not true. Because at 1223, according to his metadata, because he sent it to me, Bill Lyman was inside of the building. And he must have then immediately, according to our timeline, and hit record, and he didn't run. He calmly walked out of Sarensen building. I hope him saying that right, the Sarensen building. And he wasn't the only one that was walking calmly. And I'm not, by the way, none of these people are suspicious to me, walking calmly because they're inside the building, not really sure what they heard, perhaps.

And they're all kind of walking calmly out. And I'm going to show you that footage. And to be clear, you're going to see two girls that are simply wearing black by no stretch of an imagination. would I, front of these girls as Gothic. Actually, I think one of them is actually a guy, but they're wearing black, not dark makeup. There's just black.

And he asks them, what I can hear audibly is he asks them, what was that? So I don't know how certain he was. It could have been a shooting. But I'm going to let you watch it first, and then we're going to try to clean up the audio. Now, if you're listening to this on a podcast and you're not able to watch this, you might want to turn this down because it is visual.

Take a look. You can just sort of see everyone up top. A couple of people were actually out there or ducking. He was on the inside. If I said, this was at 1223, so he was inside, walked out, and then he's going to start a conversation with two people that are just wearing black. And then you see he continues. If he dig his arm for like three minutes,

and he just sort of walks down and he engages in a conversation with those two girls. And they answer him. doesn't, there's nothing here that seems to me to be controversial. When he hears them say something about FU, it's before he has a conversation with him. It does happen. Take a listen. He's trying to isolate this audio for you guys.

Those are two girls talking about. Actually, I think one's a guy. You see where that came from? It's right here, what he says, did you see where that came from? It seems like a normal conversation. Kind of weird for me, and there's a reason why I'm saying that,

to hone in on these two individuals and to say like Gothic and to pretend that they were doing something that looked abnormal given the fact that in the longer video, everyone up top is quite calm because I don't think they're really entirely sure what is happening. And some of them are ducking because maybe they saw it because they were outside. So I wanted to get to the bottom, as I said earlier, of who that second person was in the photo with his nephew, cousin, whatever you want to call him. And we got just one hit. And it was, honestly, it was from. Belfast, North Ireland, no less.

Somebody sent us an email. And he said, look, I conducted an interview, an internet-wide search of the person's face. And I only got one hit using technology. And the hit was in Provo, Utah. And he wrote to me that it was quite a coincidence because not only is the person in Provo for this one hit for this face, but also he's featured on a website pertaining to bees.

And he's like, didn't you just do a thing saying that you had? this weird thing about bees and you thought there, you know, there was something else going on. And my goodness, you guys, I almost jumped when I learned that that website he was referring to, Buzzard and Bees, is a Gothic underground in Provo. Okay. So this is, this is the website. It's a Gothic underground of all things in Provo, the website, Buzzard and Bees.

And they're speaking about a Gothic prom. That is where that person's face comes up, except he's wearing makeup to make them, well, look a little more gothic take a look at this i'm going to show you the side by side of this individual and i am certain can't say 100% okay because we need to find this person's name but this is a match okay the ears the chin just everything about this individual is a match but he is as of yet identified all right i got i got to say something real quick because i mean this is one of those things with canna so ones that you know it is tough. It is tough because

you have Candacea's now trying to implicate someone else. And I'm, you know, and she's trying to say, hey, you know, the person in the pictures that we have seen based on surveillance footage looks to be that maybe

this person is related to Phil Lyman or Phil Lyman has a connection to the actual person that is in the clips. And what I will say is like, known a little bit about Phil and his friends and his group and the people that kind of surround him. I just just based on hearing this is it sounds ridiculous to me. I understand that Kansas is trying to pull it all these straws and figure out this and

this and that. Did Phil have a different account maybe based on Info Wars and then also News Nation about where he was, what he thought, so on, maybe. But also there's a lot of people to have different accounts during. you know, remembering or or trying to recall like what they were doing, where they were at, all that stuff. I don't know. But also, you got to think about where they were upstairs.

It's kind of an outside, inside place. So if you said I'm outside or you say I'm inside, it could be both because it is kind of an inside outside area right there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's weird. But I mean, you know, she's. But I guess what she's doing, I'm sorry, Chad, is that she's trying to implicate the guy and the blue cap as being the shooter.

Possibly. Or, yeah, the guy that's connected with Phil, maybe a nephew, you know, could he be the shooter. Because of the ears and everything else. Because, you know, in other pictures, people have looked at the pictures that the FBI sent out against Tyler Robinson's pictures. And they say the jaw line doesn't look the same. The ears don't look the same. That is not the same guy. Yeah.

And the thing for me is, like, Phil, being someone that is willing to go out there on podcast, Info Wars. our podcast, everybody, and talk about whatever it is that you want to talk about it all in all cases, including, by the way, that he sent Candace Owens, you know, his metadata showing where he was when he was there. Like, why would he do that if he felt like he was implicating or implicated in this? And this is where when people go down these rabbit holes and start trying to investigate and then implicating other people on certain things, you got to be very careful of that. You do.

And as I said, I mean, if you guys go back to our episode with Phil Lyman, if you just go to Spotify, you go to our Investigator, Earth, Conspiracy podcast, and at the top, you'll see a search bar. Just type in Phil, P-H-I-L-L-Y-M-A-N, and you type him in. We were talking about, you know, the corruption in Utah, how elections could be stolen, how people are corrupt, especially his race and what they did and how they did it. you know, and so what, so are you telling me that like someone that that basically got screwed over from being governor in Utah is somehow implicating in or implicated in this? Now, is Phil pro-Israel? Yes, he is. And I don't have to say that he's pro-Israel because whatever. You can look up statements that he's had about, you know, he is, you know, pro the response of Israel in Gaza, so on and so forth.

But does that make him, you know, implicated, especially if you are Kenna's Owen. and you think that somehow Israel has something to do with this assassination, no, it doesn't. And, you know, I, what I will say is we're going to try to get Phil on the show to respond to this. I would love for Phil to come on the podcast, respond to Candace Owens. And even if we have to play this exact segment back to him and get him to react and respond, we will do that because, you know, you guys will be able to hear it for yourself. And you guys will be able to listen to what Candice is saying as we can then maybe explain. Now, if Phil wants to go on Candace before he does us or if he doesn't even want to talk about this, right?

You also have to understand the other concept is, you know, if someone as big as Candace Owens is starting to call out and implicate your nephew or somewhat looking like of the shooter and in all this. Like, yeah, you're going to do what you can do. But at some point, you also got to be very careful because there are a lot of crazies out there. And, you know, how much do you respond? How much do you get involved with the conspiracy theories or the people that are calling out all these things? I don't know. And that's a question we'll have to ask Phil. But I just wanted to stop in the middle of this because she's going to get into deeper stuff.

Right now, this is about Phil. Crazy that I did not realize and connect who she was even talking about when I saw Lyman on the thing. And then as Phil Lyman, either way, let's listen to a little more of what she has to say. as a goth unidentified pardon as a gothic person and he is also as of yet unidentified as the close friend of shaynor broderick who cannot be found anywhere else or people are not familiar with this person so i'm thinking maybe he also came from overseas now quickly regarding our question pertaining to mike mitchell right i was saying that it was pretty odd and obvious that they were trying to protect this detect Mike Mitchell. We also learn that he's a Boy Scout leader in the LDS Church, but usually if you have a long tenure as a police officer, you're just featured in a lot of articles. And then we received some leads that I think have helped to clarify exactly what sort of a detective he was and maybe why he was not featured in a lot of articles because he was, as it appears to be, a undercover detective. by all accounts he was an online detective. Apparently, if this is the correct Mike Mitchell

and given the timeline of when he becomes an undercover detective, I have a strong hunch that it is the right individual because he says, you know, he was on the force for 25 years. This individual began his career in 1999. His job, Detective Mike Mitchell, was to create messages online to entrap pedophiles. Okay? by pretending that he was underage.

You guys know you've heard about these sorts of stings. You pretend that you're underage as an officer and see people that try to hook up with you. And then you make an arrest. And so we can take a look at this article from November of 1999. It says, police surf internet to snag pedophiles. And it tells us Mike Mitchell sits at a desk,

tapping on a computer keyboard and becomes a boy. He's chatting with someone now. His words are full of typos and misspellings and childlike phrases. is Mike Mitchell is not a boy. He is a police detective hunting for a pedophile. But the hunted doesn't know that. Mitchell, a detective with the Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office,

has been investigating child sex crimes on the internet for about a year. I don't think people realize how big it is, he tells them. Okay, so that's interesting to me. Okay, and we can't then go, okay, let's make a jump here. Just because he's creating messages online, first and foremost, doesn't necessarily mean that he's the person that authored the fake bed message. and I'm implying that, but I do, I thought it was quite interesting because when we covered George Zinn, who was the decoy boy that day, who then we find out is into pedophilia, right?

And he gets arrested because he has children being sexual abuse on his phone, absolutely despicable person. It really made us wonder. Again, I said this on a previous episode, whether or not he had been blackmailed in some capacity to play the decoy boy and to give the shooter time to get away. I just find that to be interesting. A lot of stuff happening right now, guys, and we are definitively getting closer to what took place on that day.

And we have a lot of leads that are coming in. And I want to say that I want to refocus your attention and now open this up internationally because I have a hunch on who that goth kid is. Okay. Somebody attended this goth prom in Provo, Utah. Somebody overseas perhaps recognizes that person. Like I said, I would venture a guess that he is not from Utah because I've never seen no hits come in, somebody saying I went to high school with him.

And yeah, that's what I want you to focus your attention on. Tips at canis Owens.com. Again, reminding you guys, please do not send us because we're such a small team. Please do not send us TikTok videos and saying, you should watch this or, you know, look at this theory. reserve that to simply tagging our accounts when you are on those specific apps and we will pick up from there. All right.

And I want to say something else too. It's like, you know, look, we're going to do our best to bring Phil on the show to respond to this. I'm already literally texting just to see if we can get them on to respond to Candace. And the strange thing about this is like I understand like the George Zen thing, right? George Zinn was the guy that was yelling, you know, kill me, kill me, all this stuff during the time that Charlie Kirk was shot. So was he someone that was a distractor? Was he someone that was taking the attention off of the actual shooter to be able to flee long enough for everyone was looking at this guy? George Zinn.

There was the first images and videos we saw coming out during that time. George Zinn. This is the shooter. This is the guy. There was also someone else that was doing some weird stuff as well that, uh, law enforcement drew their attention to. But, you know, that is a good theory because George Zinn did at one point in time. He did have a connection with 9-11, even.

9-11. He was in various videos. You know, is this guy some type of paid asset? Is he a paid actor or whatever the case is? As I was researching George when he first came out as the first person arrested, and even when the cops were saying, hey, listen, we don't even know if he's the guy because everybody's cussing him out and he wouldn't walk. They were dragging him down the street.

But come to find out, he's been to a lot of political events where he's been arrested before for the same kind of actions that he did at Charlie Kirk's event. Yeah. Yeah, it's not surprising. I mean, you know, when you talk about these political or I guess you can say provocateurs or distractionary assets, which is what intelligence agencies use, is what CIA uses, is what Massad uses this is what, MI6, you know, if they

have things going on, if they have an operation going on, they're going to have various assets on the ground and, you know, going back to Jason Hansing in on our podcast two or three episodes ago. Talking about useful idiots. What is useful of the, well, probably

George Zen. He was a little crazy. But how many times can we use this guy, right? How many times can we get him to show up at these events for our benefit? I'm not saying CIA did this. I'm not saying saw did it. I'm just saying that I don't think George Zen creating this distraction during the time that Charlie Kirk was assassinated is a coincidence. It's just not. That is not a coincidence in my opinion. And then you also had someone else, which no one really is talking about that other person

that was also causing the distraction at this time. I don't know why, but they're not. So, anyways, let's get into some more of what Candace is saying. You got to. So let's get into this. I mean, the attacks have not stopped. The attacks that are coming at me are good, though, because I am just feeling more and more energized by them. I understand exactly what is going on. The people fighting for Charlie Kirk's legacy. I got to say this.

You know what? I am starting to think, and let me know if you think this is crazy, but I'm starting to think that the assassination of Charlie Kirk was something akin to a regicide, right? The assassination of a king to install. a new ruler who the king would have never approved of, right? Maybe people around him counseling the king, people who perhaps portrayed him,

because there are just too many things that I am finding out that are not adding up to me. There are also, I do want to say this, too many first times leading up to this event. Okay. One person who emailed me said, hey, I've been supplying bulletproof vests to Charlie. for all of these campus tours. And suddenly last semester, last spring, the last campus tour, they canceled. They canceled my contract with them. They did not want to renew.

When I asked them why, they told me that Charlie wanted to go a different direction by getting an army vest instead, like a metal army vest, I believe is what he says. And he said, this made no sense. He made it and understand it. Okay. So Charlie decided to use a new company, even though I don't think he was actually wearing bullet best on that day. So what happened there? I'm not sure. Something else that is really bothering me just because I have done these campus tours is the question of why Charlie was set

to do two events in Utah a mere 20 days apart. Okay. He's supposed to do UVU and then today was scheduled to do just 20 days later USU. Now those two campuses are just under two hours. apart if you're driving, why on earth would he schedule these events apart? It's not how Turning Point USA normally decides on their events. If you're going to do two stops in one state, they make it happen back to back because it doesn't make sense from a fuel perspective, from a traveling perspective, for you to go in and out of one state. Plus, they only have a limited number of events, right? So they want to make sure they can go all over the United States and see as many students as possible during every tour. This is how it works. I know. I know.

how it works because it came from Turning Point USA. Okay? I have toured with them every year with the exception of this year since I started working for Charlie. So that just struck me as very odd. Okay. We've also received, or maybe I should say maybe not odd, just something new, maybe. We've also received a lot of tips that the hospital that Charlie was taken to is not

the closest hospital. And it also would not have been the number one choice hospital for someone. that was suffering from that sort of a wound. Like it was a trauma three center. He was taken to a smaller regional hospital that was a little farther away and was further away and was also less equipped

for the trauma that he suffered, that he was taken to Timpanogos Regional Hospital. And also something new is that that hospital had just announced that they had a brand new CEO and head surgeon named Andrew Zenger. A lot of new stuff happening. and to be clear, typically the states dictate the protocol and you're required to,

after you have a certain number of attendees at an event, you are required to have an ambulance on standby. And I don't know Utah state law. But I also found that weird that there wouldn't have been an ambulance on standby. Again, correct me if I'm wrong. But seem typical to me. Now, in terms of other things that were new, they announced on that same day that Andrew Zenger was announced as a new C.E.

that was also the day that they announced Charlie's tour. They announced five dates and two of them were in Utah dispersed throughout the month. And it is also interesting to know that the Utah FBI also got a brand new set of employees, the state FBI department. Cash Patel went ahead and fired not only the chief of the Utah borough, but also some other people. You can see this in the Daily Mail article. They recount this after Charlie's Zubal.

death. Cash Patel questions grow as it's revealed he gutted the Utah FBI leadership before Charlie Crook's assassination. That is true. He fired the chief, among other people, and replaced her with Robert Bowles in August. I think Robert Bowles, actually, it was his first week when Charlie got shot and he's somebody who has been in D.C. for decades. So seems to me to be an unusual placement to them want to re-up your entire life, assuming you have a wife and kids, and move to Utah. but whatever. Again, everything just feels a little too brand. All right.

So Candice, to answer her question, what does Utah say about regulation and guidance on EMS that should be on standby for big events? And Utah Special Event Medical Guidelines, the Utah State EMS Office publishes special event medical guidelines that require event organizers to prepare a medical plan. That plan should include things like names and contacts for medical services, vendors, names, and certifications of medical providers, locations of first aid stations,

communication plans. If advanced life support staffing is required, the provider must be a licensed provider under Utah's EMS code. It's more of a guideline standard rather than a statute that automatically kicks in at a certain crowd size, so they do not have a law that says if you have a certain crowd size that you must have an EMS on standby. That's just not the way it is.

Utah's administrative rule R426 says that this rule governs ambulance provider license and mutual aid obligations when service areas overlap, but it is not imposed a requirement on event sponsors to include an ambulance at certain attendance thresholds. So local county regulations on mass gatherings, extraordinary gatherings, blah, blah, blah, have rules addressing extraordinary gatherings events. For example, Salt Lake City has a temporary mass gathering regulation that addresses risk mitigation, though it doesn't appear in the document to set a fixed attendance number, which ambulance coverage is mandatory.

So just to provide, I guess, some instances. In hindsight, Utah does not have that law. Does not mean that if you're Charlie Kirk or whoever it is, that you have to have an ambulance on a standby. But would you want one on standby? Of course. If you're somebody like Charlie Kirk. Well, you would. I mean, obviously you do.

But, you know, in hindsight, Charlie, I don't think ever really truly felt like when he walked on college campuses that he was going to be assassinated. You know, I think that's the difference. So, but just to clarify Candace's point, no, you do not have. by law, Utah, state law that an ambulance is required on a campus or anywhere for a gathering over a certain amount of people. That's just not a thing. The other thing is what she's talking about about the hospital. If that's true and they took him to a different hospital, they took him instead of level

one, level three trauma center, whatever it is, they weren't equipped to handle the injury that they needed to handle, you know, yes, that is weird, right? I mean, you should obviously take him, especially if there's a hospital that is, you know, a level one trauma center and is obviously closer than somewhere else. You would take him there. Right. But also at the same time, you have this guy that just got shot in the neck. Who's bringing up the directions? Who's telling who to go where?

Why? You know, why did they go to this hospital rather than the other? We don't know. But what Candace is trying to get here or I guess get to here is the conspiracy side. you know, do you take him to another hospital because maybe you have people in that hospital that are going to do the things that you need them to do or not do based on medical examination, where the bullet is, the wound, the report writing, so on and so forth, right? And she's saying that, hey, they got a new CEO here, who's the CEO tied to?

Is there anyone that's tied to this? And, you know, when people hear stuff like this, when Candace Owens is saying stuff like this, they're saying, oh my God, she's, she's bad shit crazy because, like, why would anyone go to that far? lengths or extent of trying to cover up a assassination or whatever. I don't know. It doesn't sound believable to me. Likely it's an overlap. But, you know, who knows, right?

You just never know. Well, I just want to mention, too, when this happened, the fastest way to get him to the hospital was to put him in the SUV that was right behind him. It was his security and his best friend. They shove him into the car. They can't even shut the door because his leg. are hanging out of the car on the way to the hospital. And they went to the closest hospital possible. Well, for what she's saying.

That was what the interview stated. That's what his best friend said. And like I said, it was his security and one of his best friends. Yeah. And he came out and he recounted what happened. He said they were doing CPR in the car. They were doing everything possible. But he was so long and so lengthy that they couldn't even shut the door.

Yeah. And look, I mean, if anybody saw the video of Charlie. Kirk. I mean, I don't think it doesn't matter if you're doing CPR or if you go to a far hospital or a close hospital. I don't think it matters. And he also mentioned that he said that they already felt like he was dead on arrival, but they were going to do anything they could to try to keep him alive until he got to the hospital. And as a matter of fact, if, you know, they're not lying at the hospital. They did get a heartbeat from him when he was at the hospital. That doesn't even make sense to me, right? They bring him in one of the doctors. I don't know if it's the same doctor, by the way,

that says that Charlie must have bones of steel because it stopped this bullet and it did all this crazy stuff. The magic bullet theory. Yeah, the magic. Well, it's not even a magic bull. That's just the bones of steel. Right. And so, you know, they're trying to say that, well, Charlie Kirk was just, his bones were so strong.

And then, you know, also to that same sentiment, the same statement, they also said that Charlie Kirk was so healthy. It must have been the only reason that we got a pulse back when he got to the hospital for a short time. but it just that doesn't make a lot of sense obviously if you saw the amount of blood that was coming out you know which is very graphic and it's a it's a video i don't ever want to see right again i i remember seeing it when it happened i was just i was distraught by that i you know we did a podcast immediately after that i was very distraught on that uh i think it affected a lot of people but i don't i don't even understand number one the theory of like he has bones of steel and

it's going to stop a 30 all six bullet that's that's just complete BS in my opinion uh we went over it with what AI said about that on a previous podcast. If you guys want to go back and listen. But then also the doctor saying he must have been just so healthy that somehow, even though likely that all the blood was drained from his body, we got a pulse. But yeah, so the theory just don't add up,

I guess. And so, you know, with the bones of still, the fact that they got a heartbeat back, although a lot of his blood was gone, you know, and I'm not saying all of his blood was gone because,

you know, once his heart quits pumping, that's when mostly the blood is going to stop, you know, you're not going to lose as much blood then. When your heart's pumping, that's when you're losing most of your blood, especially if you're carotid artery, is pumping all that blood directly from the heart up into the brain.

That's why you saw that very graphic image that we saw. But anyways, here's some more of Candace. Do to me. Then I speak to the individual who I told you guys that I recognized, and I've taken down the cameras, what was it, minute four after Charlie was shot, the back camera of all the ones when you take the front camera. I don't know. Again, I'm not here to read into how people might act in an emergency event. But I thought it was weird that he was there

in general, actually, that he was behind Charlie the entire time. I've never seen that. He's never been behind me at an event. He's never been lingering around me at an event. And I asked about that. I asked about just his presence behind Charlie. And plus the mysterious phone call that he was seen making in like a minute three after charging. was assassinated. And he told me explicitly that they were trying something new that day. Like it was something new.

Charlie's super ambitious and on the AV thing, they were trying something new and they wanted to be able to feed it back instantly to Arizona. None of it makes sense to me because these events are typically live streamed. But again, something new. Okay.

So let's stick with that theme. Do you want to know something else that was brand new leading up to this event? Charlie's perspective on Israel. Okay. So let me say this so you can hear it. Charlie Kirk's perspective on Israel was not starting to shift. It had shifted entirely.

Okay. There are no ifs and there are no ands and there are no butts about it. Israel knew that. Turning Point USA knew that's because Charlie was explicit. So my question is why isn't Turning Point USA making any statements and shutting down this repeat attempt by Israel to lie and to pretend that towards the end, Charlie was just authoring love letters to Israel, giving them a perspective of here's how we can win the property. Here's what you guys need to do. You need to work with this halel, whatever it is.

You have the same people that are calling the anti-Semitic. You need to work with those people harder. And he was just putting it on paper. Was it an email? What was that they were sharing on the New York Post, the Israeli Post, right? What were they sharing there? He wrote of his deep love for Israel. nothing else to do in May. Where of his deep love for Israel to letter to Netanyahu, Netanyahu said they were close, but in the letter Charlie puts his number,

which apparently Netanyahu didn't have his number. And we're supposed to believe, did he send that as an email, by the way? Can somebody clarify, was that an email they were sharing? Or did he send it in the mail to him? Could somebody share that, please? I'm assuming he was an email. Can someone sharing the timestamp on that?

Just kind of like authenticate that. email because I'm very aware of what's going on. Okay. And I don't know how the executives over at Turning Point USA sleep at night. Okay. I don't know how you can present yourselves as a Christian organization and not be dedicating yourself to the truth. No matter what the cost is, you tell the truth. That's it. Okay. You don't hide it. You don't try to obfuscate it. You don't try to say, well, wait until the memorial events before we start looking at it. to who murdered him, you tell the truth and you tell it immediately. And I don't think they're capable of doing that.

And I have an idea as to why that is. I think the same people that were pressuring Charlie are pressuring them. In fact, I know that for a fact. So they might need my help. Okay. I'm going to state this and I'm going to challenge Turning Point USA executives to issue a very clean statement saying that I am lying if this is not true. About 48 hours before Charlie Kirk died,

Charlie informed people at Turning Point as well as Jewish donors and a rabbi that he had no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause outright. Okay, Charlie was done. He said it explicitly that he refused to be bullied anymore by the Jewish donors. Can you guys answer? Did he express that? Did he also express that he wanted to bring me, Candace Owens, back because he was standing up for himself?

And then did he just 48 hours later conveniently catch a bullet to the throat before our on-stage reunion could happen. It's a yes or a no. Okay. Let's stop this ditching. Let's stop the dodging. Let's like explicitly I want to hear from Turning Point USA that I'm lying about that. Huge revelations here and huge accusations.

100%. And listen, you have to, regardless of everybody attacking Candice Owens, if what she is saying turns out to be true that Charlie Kirk 48 hours before his assassination, that he abandoned all support for Israel because of the pressure, because of the backlash, because of the demoralation of his character. And so you might say, well, where's the proof of that? Where's the proof that Charlie felt demoralized? Where's the proof that Israel ever attacked him? Charlie said it himself. He said it himself on multiple podcasts. He said it himself in the months leading up to the assassination. Now, I'm not saying here that Israel did this. I'm just

playing the devil's advocate for was it conspirators is what we're called or not or is it the other I don't know I'm playing devil's advocate for Ashton let me put it that way and so you have this you have Charlie Kirk going on Megan Kelly you have Charlie Kirk talking specifically about you know look you know it's one thing with my support for Israel and how much I have done for Israel

to where you pressure me and you do this stuff and you try to attack my character and the thing that I am most on. Like, this is a problem. And I do not like this. And he was very clear about this. He went on Megan Kelly. Megan Kelly's not some little podcast or a little thing.

I mean, that video got tons of views. Actually, that video was taken down on some social media platforms. And the only time we really started to see that video was after Charlie Kirk was assassinated. And so is all of what Candice Owens is saying complete bullshit? Like,

if it comes out that it is. true that 48 hours before he was assassinated that he pulled all support for Israel, then maybe it's just a coincidence, right? Maybe this is just some big coincidence that, you know, you know, the whole Israel thing was happening. And then, you know, going back to the first part of our episode where we talked about, you know, someone, I believe it was someone that President Trump fired from his team. A PR person. A PR, whoever. Trump fired this person. And when he fired this person, from what we're hearing is that Israel hired him to go out and find pro or not even pro, but just people that are not necessarily, they got big followers or influencers, but they want to push the pro Zionism, the pro Israel stance.

Now, for those that are listening and for those that think that we're just trying to get on board with the Israel thing, and especially new listeners, if you've never listened, to our podcast, then we are literally the opposite of just going on, jumping on board with a, with a anti-Israel thing. I have been obviously more so than Sherry. Sherry comes from a Jewish household. We've talked about this before. Her dad or brother. She's defended Israel many times.

You know, we're not, we're not, we're not that. We're not that thing. We're not that influencer that gets our audience based on anti-Israel propaganda or anti-Israel rhetoric, right? We talk about everything. And it has been a very, very hard topic for Sherry and I because of just the, the background or history, our bringing up, our upbringing, I guess you can say. So it's been very hard for us. It's been very hard on our marriage.

It's been very hard to discuss the Israel-Gaza situation. It's been very hard for all of that. But and then we'll hear, you know, even after this episode, I'm sure we'll get people that comment. or email us or whatever that says, oh, you're anti-Israel. Oh, you are anti-Israel. I cannot believe you're anti-Israel. And a lot of these people, by the way, that are going to email us or Christians. They are people that are, you know, among the Christian faith.

And they're going to say you are anti-Semitic or that you are anti-Jew. But what we have to understand, we have to define this very clearly. This is not an anti-Jew talking point. We're not saying that Jewish people kill Charlie Kirk. Okay? we're not even speculating that Jewish people kill Charlie Kirk because in my opinion like if Israel the nation, the country did have anything to do with Charlie Kirk's assassination, which we don't know, right? We're literally speculating. But we have no idea.

But if they did, does that mean that if the United States went out and, you know, killed innocent people, which, by the way, we've done many times in Afghanistan, Iraq, you name it, I mean, just name the country. We've probably done it. but does that mean that the Christians in the America killed those people? No, it doesn't. But, you know, and that's why Tucker Carlson, for example, which he's been under attack. He's kind of backed off a little bit. He's not as hardcore as Candaceauens is right now with the Israel narrative on Charlie Kirk's assassination. But, you know, what Tucker says is like, we need regime change in Israel.

We need Bibi Nat and Yahoo to get the hell out of there because he's not leading the people in the correct way. A lot of people believe that he is prolonging the war. in Gaza to stay in power. He's literally been in office for what 12 or 14 years or something, maybe longer. I think it's been longer. He's been involved in Israel for a very long time. And as Candace also makes a good point here. You know, did, did Beebe have Charlie Kirk's number or not, right?

Because that's, that's different. Is this email an actual email or not? There's no timestamps on it. It's not like a screenshot of an email. It's just literally a statement that is, that is text that has charlie kirk's you know kind of letterhead or whatever name above it do we know that's real we don't know um but there's a lot of things that's just not adding up and if what candis is saying right now is true if what kandis is saying right now is true that he literally

abandoned all support for israel 48 hours prior to his assassination and we find out that to be 100% fact then we got a lot more talking to do we have a lot more figuring out to do can i am you a quick question that I think would clear all of this up would be Candace is asking people to come up with evidence to prove her wrong. Yeah. Why doesn't she come out with evidence that she has to prove them wrong? If she has all this evidence in her pocket, in her back pocket, then give us the evidence. Show us where you think it's Israel and why.

What evidence do you have to prove instead of doing the opposite and saying, listen, you have to prove this to me. No, why don't you come up with your proof and show us what your proof is? And another thing that I have been thinking about, if Israel, let's just say Israel did do this and they assassinated Charlie Kirk and they are the best intelligence agency in the world, Mossad is. Do you not think they would have done a better job than this? No, not necessarily because if Tyler Robinson is not the guy or if he's a patsy or whatever or they got the useful idiot, they may have done the perfect job. But go back to my other point.

If Candace has evidence, why is she sitting on the evidence? Why doesn't she show the world? Listen, she's saying, I have all this evidence. I have proof. I have people that I'm talking to. I have really legitimate people that I know and they are credible. Then come out with the evidence. Well, I think it's coming, Sherry, to be honest.

And that's just what I'm saying. I feel like she is trying. to make them come off with evidence and if she and to prove her point. But if you want to prove your own point, then come up with your own evidence. Okay. Well, here, here's the thing. So what your question is right now, we're going to get to as soon as Candace is done. Because I think there is potentially some evidence that shows maybe this is true.

I could. And like I said, I will apologize to you or anybody else. Well, it's not me. I say that I don't think Israel's behind it. I still don't with all of this that she's. coming out with, I just, I don't think it's credible. I just don't. And maybe I do, I am, I am loyal. Well, you're biased. I am loyal to Israel. I'm not getting paid. I wish I was getting paid $7,000 in episode. That would be really nice to put in my pocket. But, you know, I do have loyalty to Israel.

And, you know, it's like, it's almost like somebody's accusing my, my little brother of something they didn't do or, you know, I just want the evidence. I don't know. Well, okay. But listen, regardless, I mean, the loyalty to Israel and all that stuff, just to me, I'm not even going to go into it. It just makes no sense to me. I mean, I literally live in America and I'm not loyal to America because when they're corrupt. But I'm going to put America first, but I am still also loyal to Israel. And I will be until I am proven otherwise. Okay.

So far there is no decisive proof, I think. I think there's all these little rabbit holes everybody's going through. Yes, I don't think Tyler. Robinson was the only gunmen. I think there was other agencies involved or whatever. And it could be Israel. And like I said, if it was Israel, I'll be the first to apologize. Well, that's what I'm saying, though, is like, you know, we, I'm an American.

So are you, by the way. And so with that being said, though, hold on. But that just makes me mad when you say that. No, but we're both Americans. Yes. And so we. So for eight years, we've, we've talked on this podcast about, you know, we got to hold our government accountable.

We have to because they're corrupt and there are many governments corrupt. That doesn't mean because your brother and dad were Jewish that Israel can't be corrupt. But I still want evidence from corruption in America. I'm not just going to accuse America of doing something unless I don't want evidence. Yeah. You know, I need the facts to back it up. Okay. Well, let's listen to some more.

And if you have the facts, then back the facts up. Okay. Let's listen to some more of what Candace is. I want you to say no, no. It was just, you know, he was feeling a little bit of. bit of pressure. No, I want you to literally answer what I have just said. It either happened or it didn't. I'm either making it all up or it happened exactly as I'm saying. And while we're at it, may I ask, what is the name of the Jewish donor who sponsored the Hampton's weekend?

Okay. And to Pastor Rob McCoy, were there any LLCs that you or your son were being paid through that sat outside of Turning Point. I'm asking that question genuinely. Yeah, I'm putting the fire here right at the feet of Turning Point because I am disgusted. I am genuinely disgusted. I am looking around and wondering whether Charlie's entire life was the Truman Show. None of you guys are behaving in the way that you should be behaving.

There is no way you are letting these lies fly unless, as I'm hearing, Unless it is true. I got to stop for a second, too, because something I was going to also mention is that with all of this conspiracy around Israel and Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens and huge influencers that, let's just be honest, if Benjamin Netanyahu has to come out and issue a statement saying that they had nothing to do with Charlie Kirk's assassination, and yet turning point USA themselves, the organization that Charlie Kirk built and created has yet to I'm out with a statement that is negating or saying that Candice Owens is lying or saying that

what she's saying is untrue or that any of this stuff. But yet Benjamin Netanyahu, the leader of the Israeli state, Israel, had to come out with a statement three days later, but yet turning point USA has yet to issue any statement whatsoever on this. But who, why do they have to prove anything to Candace Owens? Okay. Then why? It's not just Candace Owen, Sherry.

like everybody knows, everybody knows about the conspiracy of Israel. And especially with as concerned as Israel is about the either pro-Israel or anti-Israel narrative, turning point USA would be, should be the first organization that comes out to dispel the rumors, dispel the narrative, because they are the ones that are being implicated for the influence and for the funding and for what Charlie Kirk said. It's not like they don't know the leaders in turning point. It's not like they don't, they can't read through his emails now or his text messages or any of this stuff because I can promise you this. There is someone, there are people that are in the higher up in Turning Point USA that are reaching out to people right now. And they are starting to be whistleblowers saying, we know that what Candace Owens is saying is not a lie.

Right. And we're about to come out with it. That's what Candace is saying. She is saying that she has very close contacts and you'll see this coming up in the video. Candice Owens is not just some random chick. she literally was a huge part of turning point USA with charlie kirk for a very long time yeah but he had to go separate ways with her why is that because i don't know you let me tell you when he had to start somewhat distancing himself was when israel thing israel thing when she separated with ben

shapiro wasn't it kind of yes that that was that was somewhat but even after the men shapiro separation even after kansas someone started calling out israel uh the mainstream media and turn in USA or whoever they all wanted to say well kenneth Owens is not like no one's it charlie hasn't even talked to her she's not even been a part of an event since then you know that's a lie though because kenneth owens proved it was like four times since then that she was part of turning point us a event so turning point USA there were certain big political people that are always on podcast said that she had nothing to do with charlie Kirk it was she didn't go on anything bbd yeah pbd PBD. And that was a lie. And so obviously a lie. And so she proved that to be a lie at the very

least. And listen, I'm just saying, by the way, it's the same thing. Then show us the evidence. And that will clear everything up. I think that's coming. But listen, you also have to understand that when she has sources that are reaching out to her from Turning Point USA, when I say that she's not just a random podcaster, she literally was a huge part of Turnpoint USA. She only was a huge part of turning point USA. She almost knows damn near everyone that is in turning point USA. So don't think that she doesn't have people reaching out to her from turning point USA that she knows that the only reason she's risking her entire career right now on this

is not because people from the internet are sending her shit. It is people within turning point USA that are reaching out to her and saying, you're right on this. This is what's happening. Here's the deal. And we're going to play that as soon as this over, which is just in a few minutes. but turning point USA should they should they absolutely should come out with a statement if candace is wrong and especially after this episode by the way this is not the today's episode

this was yesterday's episode but if she's wrong on this turnipoint USA need to be in a room right now if she's wrong saying we need to write a statement we need to release it or we need to go on podcast because they're doing podcast on charlie kirk show every like almost every day they're bringing and all these different people in, including Erica herself, which was so excited about what's going, what's coming for a turnipoint of USA. And I did find that that was weird. Now all of a sudden they're showing their daughter's face.

They're showing their children's face. Charlie Kirk never wanted their children's face to be shown before. And now they're on basically live TV. Yeah. Which is odd. But my point is that we have to look at all theories. I agree. And I'm trying to be neutral on it is very hard.

And I'll just admit that. It's hard to be neutral in this. And I am trying to have a neutral eye. I'll just put it that way. But the biggest theory right now is the Israel thing. So we have to talk about it. I mean, it's just we can't. We can't just keep avoiding talking about what Candice is saying and what everybody's saying because this, if you go to X, which is the biggest social media platform right now, period.

And that is dominating X. It is dominating the conversation. Everyone on X is turning against Israel. right and left. True that there was a big, big, big, big payday that was on the line. And if Charlie radically stated that he was done with Israel, if Charlie said he had no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause because of, and I quote, Jewish donors, the behavior of Jewish donors,

if he said that, yes or no, well then, I don't know, maybe maybe some people did it want to take that risk that he was kind of what, become Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson. A Turning Point USA with all of those presences, so much presence across college campuses, maybe they didn't want to take the chance. You see, I'm just one person. So it's easy to just try to cancel my life and lie on me

every second of every day. But Turning Point USA, I think got a little bit bigger than Charlie. And I'm no longer going to allow this lie in this narrative. So answer the questions, yes or no. And I'm going to, again, challenge you to lie. And if you do lie, I'm going to expose the lies. And I'm going to start dropping videos, actually. So that's where I'm at.

Enough of the gains, enough with trying to allow Israel to wrangle a narrative that you know is not true. Charlie did not die pro-Israel. He did not die for Israel. He did not martyr himself as a friend of Israel. In fact, the friends of Israel were pressuring him really badly. And he was done. And he finally stood up for himself. And I'm proud of that.

And I will say this, you know what? Somewhere Charlie is watching. Okay. and I hope he knows that we are reunited. Okay, we're on stage right now, and the Jewish donors are very angry about it, extremely angry about it. But it feels good to know that in the end,

truth is going to win. So except my challenge or don't. All right, there you go. So that's what Candace Owens had to say. You guys can, you know, think what you want. I do have a couple of other clips. And this specifically has to do with some of what Candice is saying. Now, Ryan Mata had shared this.

A lot of people have shared this. And this is from a guy named Ian, not Ian Carroll. But Candice Owens is not lying about Turning Point USA. He says, I have a proof right here. I know having this info and sharing it comes with a potential price. And so I want to play this clip. This is what Ian has to say. Ian is actually somebody that is with Turning Point.

Yes. So this is what he has to say. And he's getting messages from people. people that are high up in Turnpoint USA. Candice is also, by the way, receiving these messages. She has yet to share these messages because what I think, in my opinion, what I think Candace is doing is that she is building and building and building her case. She is, I don't think she's just continuing to go out on the limb and just speculate out of

nowhere. She is getting as many people in Turning Point USA to reach out to her, to get evidence, to get all this stuff before she actually shows. and she's going to get attacked. She's going to get caught a liar. As I've already said, my biggest thing is why has turning point USA not issued any statement on any of this rhetoric at all whatsoever? You have to at this point.

And especially considering what Candace just said that, you know, he disavowed his loyalty to Israel completely. Well, they should have easy proof of that. As I said before, there's no way that Turnipoint USA does not have access to his emails. Obviously, they do because they just shared the supposed email. or whatever it was with Benjamin Netanyahu, you know, I'm sure they have access to all of his text messages, everything.

They have access to everything. The only reason maybe they wouldn't share that is because if going forward Turning Point USA is going to now be more pro-Israel, then they're not ever going to share it. And if they do issue a statement, they're going to try to potentially demonize Candace Owens. What I will say, though, is that it's going to be a very interesting time going forward because if what

Candace is saying is true, there is going to be huge I guess unravelings within Turning Point USA. With the people that are in turning point USA, especially people that are whistleblowers, people that are coming out and speaking, they're going to have to get rid of those people.

They're going to have to do something about those people and there's going to be infighting. This could destroy turning point USA if this is not handled correctly. And so I want to get to this post. I'm going to go ahead and share it. you don't have to see it even though if you're on video you'll you'll be able to see it but this is Ian and this is what he is sharing saying that candace is not lying about turning

point USA here you she didn't see this all right so what this message actually says here is so what I know is when it comes to actual turning point USA staff up to even director level a lot of people are on the same page. People want the truth. People, sorry, the problem is that the board and the typical successful investors and business mentors to the team, for instance, if you had an investor advisory early on into official Patriot gear and your company thought there was something suspicious about them, it's hard to get answers because they aren't part of the day to day.

So that's the bad news. It's hard to get a lot of answers. The good news, however, is with a lot of Turning Point USA staff being on the same page as people like you and Candace and Ian, people at the top of the company are able to give Candace some of those internal memos. She's been talking about and hearing about these conversations that have been going on. There's memos she's been seeing that have only gone out to a few director-level type people. so it shows the actual staff even higher-ups who want the answers to so that is what they're saying here about this is oh why sorry and then it goes it says time will tell more no one knows who the high up person is in the company that's been the source for everything kennis is getting i think it's best that that way though

but more people are coming out and being more open about wanting to know what the f is actually going on already made internal pushes to drop the Israel BS weeks ago. So hearing what Candace is saying today is actually insane. So there you go. Yeah. So Candice ain't lying, guys. I know for a fact. And so listen to everybody who is falling into this trap of, you know,

attacking anybody and everybody that's asking questions about this and calling them conspiracy theories, which is really funny because it's coming from people who are typically conspiracy theories, typically people that ask all the questions. but if you are doing that, right? Why? Why are you doing that? We all know that these narratives they're putting out, that they're putting out don't make any sense. They don't make any sense at all. And we all know that there is like we don't know who killed him, why it was done or how it was done. None of us really know. Like if you're actually believing what these people are telling us,

you're cooked, okay? Because none of this makes sense. I mean, they're literally telling us to look at the wall that is purple and say, and we say it's purple. And they say, no, no, no, no, look closer. It's yellow. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Okay, so if you're one of those people, why are you, like, why do you not want to get to the bottom of it? How do we best honor Charlie's death and legacy than figuring out who the hell killed him and why and how?

and the fact that stuff like this is out and stuff like what Candace is saying is out and stuff like what Ian Carroll and all these other people that are digging into this and figuring out what's going on because by the way this is a real source okay this is a real text message you know believe it if you want like I don't care it's real there is absolutely something going on in that organization there was something going on prior to his assassination there's absolutely something going on right now and they do not want us to know. And how do we best honor Charlie? We fight to figure out what the hell it is they don't want us to know. I hope that helps. Talking about the text messages that Candace is getting. From Ian, which is in Turning Point.

It's not Ian Carroll. It's a different. No, no. But it's not just Ian. Now, there are multiple higher-ups that are talking to Candace. And these are higher-ups in Turnipoint USA saying, look, we got donors. We got a lot of people. that are not letting us get out what we want to say.

And I think that's the reason why you don't have a message from Turning Point USA. You do not have a response from Turning Point USA because you have a lot of people on one side that says, look, we are not going with this narrative of whatever. And so officially the board members at the very top, for those that don't understand kind of how organizations like this work, you have board. You have a board and then you have executives and then you have people underneath that. You have influencers, all of this. the board usually are the people that are appointed or at least i guess kind of voted in those are the people that handle the donorships those are the people that handle all the money that comes in and whose money comes in and then those are also the people that try to influence

the conversation or the way forward for the company like turning point USA and so from what candace has been receiving and others that are out there also that are highly connected to turn to point USA. They're saying that Candace is getting these messages. The board, though, however, is not talking at all to anybody underneath the board, even to the higher-up executives. And they're being very quiet. They're trying to figure out a game plan of how and how and why they're going to go forward.

I think there's a reason also, by the way, why you announced that Erica Kirk is the new CEO of Turnpoint USA. She's going to have a very tough time depending on what you see. or how you see Erica Kirk. She's going to have a tough time figuring this out because the board members are have appointed her for a reason, right? Those are the people that appointed Erica Kirk. Well, I thought it was Charlie Kirk appointed her upon his death.

I don't know, no, no, I don't think so. I don't know because there was speculation that I don't think they ever knew who was going to be the CEO if Charlie Kirk died. I think that the board is the one that put Erica Kirk in charge. and so you know and there's a lot of weird stuff i mean there's i'm not saying erker kirk is implicated at all or any of that stuff but you know there's a lot of conspiracies about it i mean you know uh not very long after she is cheering on the organ ducks although yes that is charlie kirk's team but you know she was making post about organ ducks and go organ and all

this stuff she went on a podcast the charlie kirk podcast and she seemed to be pretty i don't know just not as i maybe a lot of people are saying not as upset as maybe you'd want to be she was talking about a future turning point USA what their plans are how they're going to move forward all these events planned all this stuff well she also said that charlie had he was so into work that he had so much out there that they have so much to put out there already like 40 episodes of stuff and all this but there's there's just so much conspiracy here on this and to be honest with you guys i don't know what the truth is i don't but what i will say is that turning point USA should very quickly issue a statement. And if you don't want to issue a statement, then fine, but I think that's just going to hurt Turning Point USA. If you don't issue some kind of statement, especially with a narrative out there, there's a lot of people. I mean, yes, there are loud voices out there right now that are saying that if you even question Charlie Kirk's assassination, then you are a conspiracy theorist, then you are crazy and you're desecrating Charlie Kirk's legacy. But what we do need to know,

and if proof does come out that Charlie Kirk did abandon all of his support for Israel 48 hours prior. We'll find out. Hopefully. Hopefully we will find that out. And that shouldn't be hard to prove or disprove, especially from someone in Turning Point USA. Like, let's look at that. Let's see the text or email or whatever. However he disavows Israel. But are you going to just take somebody's word that they have credible sources or do you want to know who the sources are? No, I mean, we got to know the truth. I mean, no, I'm definitely not just going to take people's word. That's why we've really not talked a lot about the Israel thing because, you know, I don't know whether to think Candace is crazy or not crazy right now. I don't know.

And but what I will say is that she is risking it her entire career basically based on this. And if there's someone that I'm going to believe about who probably has access to people in turning point USA is Candace Owens. I mean, and also if I look back as well about anything that Candice Owens has ever done, I don't think she's ever completely bullshitted and led people astray. I've always respected Candice Owen's work. She's always been a great journalist. She's always been a great influencer and commentator.

She's always been someone that people trusted. And it isn't until now that all the sudden that allegedly Charlie Kirk hates Candice Owens and, you know, he disavowed her. They said the same thing about Tucker Carlson. and you know what we found out about Tucker Carlson well Tucker Carlson showed the receipts he actually did he showed the receipts because you remember when uh showed the receipts for what what are you talking about so they were trying to say also that like you know Tucker Carlson's crazy and uh you know he was going on the Israel thing too about Charlie Kirk and maybe there's a connection there

and so everyone was like oh my god you know Tucker Carlson's crazy he's he's anti-Semite all this stuff but then when you find out that Charlie Kirk literally message him and and not just messaged him, but made sure that in messaging to Tucker Carlson, he said, I want to make sure that you understand that when you come on, you know, these events, that I want you to talk about the Gaza situation. I want you to talk about the Israel backlash. I want you to talk about all those things. And I don't want you to be afraid to do this. And it was, it was then that the Israel donors were hardcore pushing against Charlie Kirk. And Charlie Kirk talked about this on video, saying, And I don't want you to have Tucker Carlson at a turning point USA event at all.

Can I ask you a question? What was Charlie Kirk's main mission? He was to talk to people about America. Yeah, America. And that had opposing views of him. So of course he's going to tell Tucker to talk about whatever he wants to. That's what he wants and that's what he believed in. He went out and he found people that had opposing views.

And he brought them to have conversations. So just because Tucker believed that there's an Israel connection doesn't necessarily say, oh, well, that's because Charlie thought that. I know. I understand. But that was one of the things that Charlie got a ton of hell for, like a ton of hell. When Israel, hold on. He stood by, though. No, but listen.

He stood by talking to people and had different views. But he got hell from Israel and the donors that they basically said, you don't dare bring on Tucker Carlson to another Turnpoint USA event. and it was absolutely and and not only that you know um charlie kirk made sure to message tucker cross and say make sure that we talk about this and and so leading up into this assassination yes charlie kirk was starting to really talk out about israel um if it's true that 48 hours prior to his assassination that he disavowed Israel and he completely was you know whatever i don't know if that's true but if kandis owens is claiming that someone's got a show proof.

But if I, if I, the very least know that that is true, I will definitely say that on the show. I'm going to let people attack me and then when the time is right,

I will reveal the proof, right? And so hopefully Candace Owens is that smart. And I don't think she's dumb to the point where she's just going to make these crazy outlandish accusations and then just be destroyed

time and time again because that's going to kill her career. But guys, that's going to do it for this episode. Until next time, we love you. Peace out. Peace out.