Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Charlie Kirk Assassination Aftermath: Shooter in Custody, Public Reaction & What Comes Next

Episode Date: September 13, 2025

A few days after the shocking assassination of Charlie Kirk, new details are emerging. The suspected shooter is now in custody, and the nation is reacting in real time—some with grief, others with anger, and disturbingly, some with celebration. In this episode, we reflect on the day of the attack, break down the arrest of the suspect, and examine what the public’s reaction says about the state of America. Join us as we uncover what’s known, what’s being hidden, and what this moment means for the future.Visit our merchandise store

A few I'd fall asleep and not dream of beers. I don't know. Most of the times I think I... A few days ago, our world was shaken when Charlie Kirk was gunned down at what can only be described as a political earthquake. In the hours that followed, we reported on a chaos, the unanswered questions, and the eerie silence from those who should have been speaking loudest.

Now as the dust begins to settle, we find ourselves in a moment of reflection. The suspect no longer a shadowy figure in a headline, is in custody. The face, the name, and the motive are beginning to take shape, and with that comes the public's reaction. A nation split between shock, outrage, denial, and in even some cases disturbing celebration. It's a sober and reminder of where we are as a country

and the dangerous lines we've crossed. Tonight we look back at that day and what revealed about America, and we take a hard look at the man accused of pulling the trigger, and what his arrest tells us about the forces moving behind the curtains. Guys, welcome to the show. September the 12th, 2025. The name of this song is Shivers Image of You by Loving Calibber. I know a lot of you ask what the song was on our last episode when we first broke the news

of Charlie Kirk's assassination. And I got to be honest, guys, that was probably one of our hardest podcast we've ever done. And we had just seen this happen probably two hours prior to actually recording the episode. And it was really so hard to get through. and it's still hard to kind of wrap your mind around that we actually have people in the United States of America that hate someone's speech so bad that they are willing to actually go through the far lengths of setting up and planning an attack like they did that day at Utah Valley University and taking some innocent persons live to where now kids are without a father, a wife without a husband, and parents are without a child. and it's still very sad, it's very sobering. And as the intro says, I think this really should tell us where we are as in America.

I know this does not represent all Americans for sure, but we also have to understand that I think we are already at war. And it was someone that was saying this the other day, and I thought about this. I was like, are we actually at war? I mean, is that really what is going on? And we are. We just don't quite realize it yet.

But what I thought we should do is turning point. USA just released this amazing three minute, 22 second long video, honor and Charlie Kirk. And so we're going to play that to open this episode. And then we'll get into the shooter that is now in custody. Was it Israel? Which is what everybody's trying to say. Is this just some deranged 20, what, two year old?

That over the past couple of years changed a lot of his political beliefs to the point where he was radicalized. And we've seen this. We've been seeing this for years. We saw it with Antifa and BLM and a lot of the stuff when they burnt down cities. This is just the next step, which leads to assassinations. But let's go ahead and play the Turning Point USA dedication to Charlie Kirk. This kind of goes through his lineage, where he started, where he came from, and where he was.

We're active in about 15 campuses and we're growing very, very quickly. And keep in mind, this is not just a flash and the pan movement. We're going to become an institution to give them the power and the confidence to stand up and let their voice be heard. I started this organization when I was 18 years old. I decided not to go to college. I didn't get in my dream school, which was the United States Military Academy at West Point. I have this idea to galvanize and motivate the future youth of this country around a core set of ideas, not just political parties or politicians, and the ideas are really America is the greatest country in the history of the world.

Constitution is the greatest political document ever written. And free enterprise is the most assured way to live people out of poverty and create prosperity for all. Those are the three big ideas. And I think that's something that can win. We as Christians are called to go into the public arena to correct error with truth. So I go to college campuses and there's a lot of error. We're all sinners. We are all living error.

I'm far more interested in what God wants of me than what I want from God. I have to say this without getting emotional, but I'm very proud of my husband. And I know many of you are too. You have worked so hard. And I know a lot of you have seen, obviously, his videos on TikTok and all the stuff he does on campus. But no one gets to see him from my angle, except for myself and our children. And the sacrifices that he made this year, he's amazing. I'm very black.

And I would not have been able to do any of it without Erica. And that's the real truth. I'll tell you what. You are here as a grassroots response to the top-down revolution. happening in this country. I want our Turning Point USA students to receive a round of applause. These are the freedom fighters of America. The media said the Turning Point could never run a ground game.

They weren't experienced. They didn't know Charlie, right? This is the greatest generational realignment since Woodstock. This generation is the most conservative generation that we have seen in well over 50 years. And the numbers show it. What young people especially are screaming at, is they say, give me a structure that I can live my life by. And especially with young men, more challenging of them, more saying, you know what?

Honestly, I'm not going to talk down to you. Stop being a boy and become a man. You want to learn what that means? Come to church and I'll tell you what it means to become a man. Because we have the greatest story ever told. What can I do to save the country? You answer that question every single day because you are doing the work to save this beautiful republic. You are doing something that is bigger than you.

If everything completely goes away, how do you want to be remembered? I want to be remembered for courage for my faith. That would be the most important thing. Most important thing is my faith in my life. There you go. Oh, my God. That was a... Why did you play that?

Because now I'm booing. Yeah. It's sad. It really is. Oh, my God. It's very sad. But that was Charlie Kirk. That was who Charlie Kirk was.

That was his legacy. is what everybody will always remember Charlie Kirk as. And, you know, there's one thing that, Sherry, I know that you wrote it down, but, you know, he said this and he said that young men are asking and looking up to someone to say, give me structure to my life to live by. Like, what do I need to live by? Because I'm so lost in this generation. I'm so lost in the world around me.

And that was something that Charlie Kirk did so well with Turning Point USA, going to college campuses. and inspiring and influencing kids in the right way, not the wrong way, not the things that you should go out and do and go out and rob people or kill people or shoot people or do violent things or be a bad person. Charlie Kirk went and taught how to be the best man or kid or just young person you possibly can be to grow up to actually offer something more than violence and hate to the world. I've looked back on this a lot, obviously, over the past few days.

You know, there's one thing I know for sure is as much as Sherry and I have struggled spiritually. This has been a wide awakening for us as well. And I think it has for a lot of people. There are people now that are coming out of the woodwork and saying, you know what? You know, Charlie gave his life for his beliefs, his values, and most importantly, Jesus Christ. And that's why he did go out and do these events in public where, yes, he has.

had security, but not to the point of, say, Donald Trump, you know, just look back at Butler, Pennsylvania. You know, Trump was the leading candidate for president, and they could barely protect him that day. He is very lucky that he is not another Charlie Kirk. Trump almost got assassinated in Butler, Pennsylvania by Thomas Crooks that we still basically know nothing about. And now we have this Charlie Kirk assassination. We do have a suspect in custody, which we will talk about in just a little bit. But one of the things I want to to talk about now is what this is actually doing to people, right? I mean, Charlie Kirk's death is not going to live in vain. He was sent here for a purpose, for a reason. And as I've seen so many videos

on the internet that are celebrating Charlie Kirk's assassination, I mean, they are celebrating it in such a vile and disgusting way. It literally makes me sick. And it's really, really hard for me not to react, not to go in and start responding to a lot of these people. I have responded to a few of them on social media. And some of you listeners, by the way, have just commented on my post to some of these people and said, don't even react. Don't respond.

This is what they want. They're probably bots. They're probably someone that is desperately trying to engage and start this kind of civil war, which it seems like that's what they really, truly want. And as I said at the beginning, I think that we are already in war.

I think we have been for a long time. But there are turning points. Yeah. And this is going to be a. turning point for America. It is. And before we get into the negativity of the people that are lashing out and celebrating his death, I do want to celebrate the people that are celebrating his life because there are so many people from different fractions of life that are coming out and saying, hey, listen, I don't care what political, you know, alliance you're with. I don't care what religion

you are. This man stood for something beyond that. This was not just a political thing. He stood for something so much bigger and higher than what man just himself represents. This was a movement. This was a movement for children, for, you know, college-age kids to figure out their lives and figure out what is going on in their world and to bring them back to God. So I do, I praise those that are speaking out. Even Nick Flintes came out. You know, and that was hard to listen to because, you know, like he said, him and Charlie Kirk did not get along. They did not agree with many, many things. But he even came out and discussed saying, this is wrong.

You do not do this. You do not speak with bullets. You speak with words and you have dialogue together. You know, even Ben Shapiro, he's a Jew. He came out in protest against what happened to Charlie Kirk. And I just really praise those that are not just Christians. and even people that are on the left or liberals that are coming out and speaking against this violence because that's what we need to do to unify an uprising against the violence.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't think. And that was something Nick Fuentes said last night on his stream. He said, look, guys, if any of my followers think that the right thing to do is to pick up arms or to pick up a gun and actually go out and start killing people on the other side, I disavalue. You know, and obviously people like Nick Fuentes and now Charlie. Kirk and so many others, including Tucker Carlson, came out and said how many times that, you know, he himself has had close calls, even with assassinations. And you can imagine someone like Charlie Kirk,

which was huge on this stage, whether it be the conservative movement, the Christian movement, yes, Charlie Kirk was massive. He was massively influential in Donald Trump being elected. Donald Trump got 37 of the youth vote for a conservative. That's the first time this ever happened, in large part because of Charlie Kirk. But also you have to think this is, you know, although Nick Fuentes and Charlie Kirk did not agree, one thing they definitely did agree on was the messaging. You know, it was although I think the big thing with Nick Fuentes and Charlie was the Israel deal, although yes, Charlie Kirk did question Israel at times and, you know, especially over the

past six months to a year. But then, of course, everybody came out and started blaming Israel. Now, obviously, we have been, or I have definitely been critical of Israel and their response in October 7th and all this. But then you see people like Ian Carroll and others, Dan Bill Zirian, all of these people saying, oh, absolutely, it's definitely Israel. And Sherry and I were just talking before the show. And it's like that completely destroys what you, like say that you were right about everything for the past six months a year, two years, especially since October 7th about Israel's response, their control of government. A-PAC, you name it, you are now being a, the boy that cries wolf. Because it's like now everything is blamed on Israel.

But what I, what I do find hoping with this whole thing is it is waking people up. And there was this young black kid. I saw his video. And this young black kid looks to be probably nine or 10 years old. And he decided to do a video on Instagram because he obviously, like so many, are on social media and he's starting to see a lot of the celebratory post from the left. And this is what he had to say about Charlie Kirk and especially to people that were celebrating his death.

Wait, don't scroll. I wanted to come on here and talk about the death of someone I looked up to Charlie Kurt. And I wanted to say that it is disrespectful how people are making Fortnite memes and talking bad about him like he was a horrible person. All he did was have boldness in his faith with Jesus Christ. Like, you guys are so mean to people just because they have beliefs. As Christians, we respect you for your beliefs, but we tell you what's wrong and what's right, righteously. But you do not need to be making fun of him because a tragedy has happened.

That's all I want to come out here to say is it's blatantly rude and disrespectful to be talking about someone's death like he's just a piece of trash. He has a family, he has kids, he has a wife. You guys want someone to respect you if you got shot, right? If you passed away, you would not want anyone to be talking bad about you. And I saw a video, well, yeah, I saw someone making fun of his wife, too. Like, that's just horrible and rude. And today is a very special day to me because I hit 14,000 followers, but I don't even want to celebrate that because I just feel guilty that

one of someone I looked up to passed away and I still and I'm still able to be on this earth. That's how grateful you have to be. So just stop making fun of him and just go. Like just stop making fun of him. It's just not, it's not even funny at all. Yeah. So, and it's videos like this from this young black kid in America that looked up to Charlie Kirk. And it didn't matter about race or any of this stuff.

But he knew that he was a Jesus follower. Charlie Kirk inspired this kid, you know, and it's one of the things Donald Trump said, you know, it was actually Barron Trump, Donald Trump's son that came to him and said, hey, I want to meet somebody that you know. Obviously, Trump knows everybody. And so Trump was thinking, like, who am I? Who's Barron wanting to meet? And it was Charlie Kirk, you know, and it was like, this is who I really want to meet. So Trump set up a luncheon for them and kind of let them hang out. And when Barron came back, Barron said, man, that is one of the coolest and nicest and most.

just unassuming people you'll ever possibly meet. And this is what Charlie Kirk did to so many people. This is what he did for so many of our youth. And it's not just our youth. It's adults as well. And, you know, because of this tragedy, obviously I've just went deeper in, you know, my battle with spirituality and my battle with all of that stuff. And I, and I've thought about it from the standpoint of Charlie.

But there's also other people. I want to play another quick video of this guy. and he said that he has been too afraid to speak, but he has been now inspired by Charlie Kirk, and he wants to come out and talk and say what he wants to say. So listen to this quick video. My name is John. I have practically no online presence.

And the reason for that is because I am scared to post things that I believe or really care about because I worry about what people will think of me. I am worried about missing out on opportunities because of an online footprint. Yesterday, a man died, presumably because he believed the same things that I believe in. I am a conservative, and more importantly, I'm a Christian. I believe wholeheartedly that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, that he died from our sins, and rose again and that he is God.

I know that in the great scheme of things I don't really matter. No one knows or even cares who I am. But if there's even one person who sees this and gains the courage to speak up themselves, that's why I'm making this. Just so that everybody knows that we're not alone. Yeah, and it's people like you, John, by the way, that even though you think you're insignificant, no one knows who you are, no one cares. There is a mass of you now.

And it's something that I've thought about, you know, since the assassination. I'm like, you, yeah, you may have silenced one, but you have now. Rised many. Yeah, you've risen many. You have created an army. And, you know, sometimes we don't realize why and how things happen. We just don't understand it, especially as Christians. That's been one of my biggest struggles.

And when you think about someone like Charlie Kirk, that was, you know, well-versed in the Bible. He believed wholeheartedly in the Bible in Jesus Christ as a Savior. He was, that's literally the reason why he went without fear to these college campuses, knowing the amount of people that truly hated him and wanted to see him dead. But he went out there without fear and preached, spoke, talk to the people directly, face-to-face. Yes, because he didn't just talk to people that liked him. He talked to people that hated him.

And that's where the conversation has to go. You're not going to come to an agreement if you can't have conversation with people that disagree with you. And I've always said this on the podcast, too, it's like, I've always wanted people to come on this show that do not agree with us. In some ways, I want people to come on the show more that do not agree with us. Not because I want to prove them wrong, but because I just want the conversation to happen. You know, it's not necessarily even just to say that, hey, I know without a doubt that everything

I'm going to say, I'm just trying to get one up on you. I'm trying to win the battle. I'm trying to win. You know, it's like a prosecution and defense. I just want to win. No matter what the right argument is, I want to win. And I think that there is a right argument, right? In every debate, there is a right side and a wrong side.

There is a winner and a loser. But the reality of it is that both sides always think that they are the winner. They're right. Yeah. And they are the right one. Well, listen, we even have debates in some fashion, I guess. especially when it comes to Israel. We don't agree on the whole Israel topic.

And when we discuss it and we do kind of debate, I don't know if there is a winner or a loser, but at least we're coming together and we're discussing it. And we're trying to be civil to each other. It's not like we're trying to go kill each other after the, you know, the podcast. But I think we have to have civil discourse in order to understand where the other person's coming from and from where you're coming from and to see if there is a common middle ground somehow somewhere.

And that's, you know, that is my hope with this tragedy. I 100% agree with that. And, you know, but here's the thing, you know, is, yes, there is common ground in everything, right? It's even for the Israel argument. Is everything the Israel has done and has always done been 100% on the up and up? Of course not. They're a government. Same thing with the United States.

Same thing with any group of people. The left, the right, Christians. Muslims, you name it. There are always radicalists in all groups. There are always people that are bad people. They are evil people that disguise themselves in certain ways. And that doesn't mean that we should represent all people through a certain group. And unfortunately for Charlie Kirk, you know, Charlie Kirk was a huge voice in the conservative

space. He was the main target. They couldn't get to Trump. So they're like, who was the next in line? How can we really try to silence these people? How can we do whatever we can to make people more fearful to go out and speak? And how can we really send the message to these fascists, as they call them, right? And when we get into the shooter and kind of his background and his anti-fascist movement, also known as Antiva, which is also heavily funded by the Soros and the World Economic Forum's and the globalist,

And Tiva is a literal constructed movement from globalist. It is the anti-fascist movement. And these are all heavily funded movements. We've seen them during Black Lives Matter. We've seen them during every single public unrest in our country for the past 15 years. And it's grown and grown and grown to the point now where they are, it seems like, manufacturing assassins to go out and actually assassinate their people that they do agree with and they want to send messages in this for sure there's no question but also have another

video to play we're playing we're playing through some stuff guys and so bear with us but this was a nurse that thought about this charlie kirk thing for a while and this was something that was on her heart pretty heavy and i want to play this too and uh we'll talk about it after listen Hey friends, I have debated making this video. I have wanted to make it. And then I've been like, I can't stop crying because I'm emotional. And I've watched countless videos talking about the events of not only yesterday, but, man, there's so many that we're either unaware of or just haven't been paying attention to. but like many of you that I have watched your videos I

I'm gonna try to do this without like getting choked up I have felt very very very convicted and the thing that keeps coming to mind and it was like hammered into my head as a kid right don't be lukewarm don't be a lukewarm Christian a lot of people that either first meet me or don't really know me that well. I have no idea that I'm a Christian.

From looking at me, unless you look closely at my tattoos, to know that a lot of them are scripture, you wouldn't know. And I think I'm getting choked up because that's not how I want my relationship with God to be. I don't want people to not know. It's like a secret relationship, right? Why would I want a secret relationship?

It's a relationship. It's not a belief system. It's not, I call it that all the time, but it's not. It's a relationship. Sorry, I'm at work. And it's, I've been lukewarm. Revelations 315, 16, which is the reference. Like, I don't even know it by heart because I don't read my Bible enough.

honest, honest truth. It says, Revelation 3, 15, and 16. I know your deeds that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you were lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of my mouth. And it says it's describing the, I'm going to mispronounce this word, the Lydesian Church warning against complacent.

apathetic faith that's neither fully committed to God nor actively against him, but indifferent. And from where I live, so I live in the state of Oregon and I had a conversation with someone earlier today who works in mental health. I work at a jail, I deal with mental health all the time.

And he said to me, there's a general consensus of the conservatives in Oregon, that they're like, hey, as long as this not happening on my lawn, as long as this is not affecting me personally, I don't want to hear about it, I don't want to see it, I'll act if I have to, right? That's just being indifferent. Sure, there's, you don't, like, I'm very much like I don't want to be extreme one way or the other, right? But I also want people to see my deeds and know without me having to say that I'm a Christian. And if they do say, like, ask, I want to, I want to proclaim it, right? I don't want to be lukewarm anymore. So, um,

this isn't about Charlie Kirk. It's so much bigger than that. It's so much bigger. And we're being called. People keep talking about a shift. I felt it too. So from here on out, I don't care if you want to unfriend me. If you don't like emotional people, if you don't like people from Oregon, if you don't like Christians, I don't care. Unfriend me. Unfollow me. I don't care.

Because the part I'm going to be indifferent about is not my faith. I'm going to be indifferent about other people's opinion, which is how it should have been to begin with. I'm not going to worry about offending anyone because my relationship with Jesus Christ is more important to me. And it always should have been in for that. My heart hurts, but that changes today with this video. So thanks for watching. I really did try. But this has been how I felt all day.

day. There you go. And so that was a nurse that, you know, she's given her, I guess you can say kind of testimony, but just the way she's lived her life, what this Charlie Kirk assassination did for her, whether she realizes it completely or not. I think this has done something for a lot of people. And I think, I think if there's one thing that if Charlie is looking down right now that he's going to be the most proud of is people that have recognized his death, but also the light

that comes from that and it's a glowing light. And that light is a miracle because look at what it's doing to so many people. It's putting them from on the fence to over where like she said, I'm not going to be complacent. I'm not going to be indifferent. If you don't like the way I am, then you can unframing because I'm no longer going to worry about your opinions. What matters most to me is my relationship with God. And I need to be a steward of that and let other people know. about my relationship with God.

And I think that is so important in any religion is that relationship with God. For sure. And to share that relationship with others. No matter what religion you are, you know, as long as you believe in a God, there is no sense in cowardly assassinations like this. No. You know, and I'm especially, again, proud of those people that are not Christians that are standing up to this.

I am proud. It's our liberals that are standing up to this. Yeah. You know, I think it's harder for those people to come out of the woodworks and say, hey, I don't agree with this. Or if, you know, a transsexual or I'm a gay person or whatever, you know, whoever really hated him and called him a fascist. Those people that are coming out and saying, listen, I didn't agree with everything that Charlie Kirk said, but I do not agree with this. And I'm going to stand with Charlie Kirk. That just shows so much admiration for those people to stand up that, you know, we're not just Christian.

Christians, but people from every facet of life. Yeah, for sure. You know, and it's crazy. Like, this movement is growing. And I'm so glad to see this movement growing. I mean, as I said earlier, Charlie Kirk's death cannot go in vain. And there are crowds that were breaking out an amazing grace hymn in central London. I mean, we're talking about central London.

This is a huge movement. I just want to play this to you. I want you to hear this in central London. Obviously, we've talked about Europe and the UK. and in all of that, and especially their battles right now with culture and the immigration issue and everything.

It's like if you are a Christian or you speak out for your religion or your beliefs or your core values, then you are going to be the one that is sent off to jail or prison. And this is what took place last night in central London. Listen. So there you go.

And that's Central London. I mean, these people are coming out in masses and they are all proclaiming Jesus, they're all proclaiming all this stuff. And then as Sherry just said, Jeffrey Starr, now he got scorched by every single person on the left when he came out about Charlie Kirk. And this is what he had to say about Charlie Kirk. Can you explain who he is real quick? Because I didn't even know who he was.

So Jeffrey Starr is, he is trans. He is one of the biggest influencers. I guess you can say probably in that trans space, YouTube. whoever he has all the makeup contracts he has everything Jeffrey star is one of the biggest trans influencers and so everybody in the left came out completely hardcore against this guy because of his beliefs and what he said after the charlie kirk assassination let me play that for you he encouraged everyone to speak about their beliefs whether he believed them or not Alexi, I don't really care.

Am I a Republican? No, I'm a person. Because I'm standing up for someone that passed away, I'm now being called names in the chat. This is what's wrong with a lot of you people. You will never get bar in life. You are sick in the head. Someone just said they're unsubscribing from me.

Thank God, please. Because if you believe in vain thems, you're part of the problem. If you're so stupid enough to go against science, please unfollow me. You can be whoever you're, want to be, but there's science and there's facts. You can pretend in your head you're a cat. You can pretend in your head that you're this and you're that. Good for you. You're still only A or B.

And the truth hurts a lot of you, I see. I see a lot of you still can't get over it. Sounds like a personal problem. While I've been live streaming, someone was just, and TikTok has guidelines, you guys, so I have to censor what I'm saying. I'm uploading my video right now. I am. Even we're dealing with all of this. I'm uploading my video right now. So yes, I am a grown-ass man that wears makeup. I will always be a male. My name is Jeffrey. Jeff, if you were my father, he's the only person allowed to call me that. My name is Jeffrey. I am a male that likes cosmetics. All these grown men going into women's bathrooms wearing wigs, you should all be in prison forever. You are the problem. So a grown man that goes around the country, debating people,

spitting facts was just taken out. And I'm not over it. I can't stay here and play with makeup right now. I want to throw up. So no, I'm not a Republican. No, I'm not a Democrat. I'm Jeffrey Starr. Stop trying to label me.

Stop trying to label me. I am a male. I am a makeup artist. I am a makeup mogul. I am a business owner. I am a farmer. I am a rancher. I am a son.

I am someone's cousin. I am someone's friend. Stop labeling me. y'all don't know anything about my beliefs you just assume because i said i was thankful that trump brought back ticot i'm now being accused of being a republican all i said months ago when ticot was banned and my business could be affected tremendously i said wow thank god trump fixed it or i wouldn't be able to sell my cosmetics on this platform i quit youtube and dedicated my life to ticot and people are upset because i thanked our president paul

Politics aside, biology will never change. Why is that up for debate? Am I saying any of this? Because Charlie Kirk fought for the rights. He fought for the truth. He debated everybody. And you guys cannot argue that. You are delusional and you were mentally ill

if you were trying to go against what I just said. I didn't say in my opinion. I said a fact. I am Jeffrey Lynn Steininger, Jr. that's who I am. I am born a male. Cannot believe I'm sitting here six hours away from a crime scene. Like Utah is just right down there.

He's just a couple hours away. And he was doing a debate at a college in front of thousands of people. And his daughter was there. And he was just taken out. I can't, I don't know how to process it right now. I'm like so sick. I'm honestly so sick by it. And there you go.

That's Jeffrey Starr. And that's another. other reason guys it's like it's like not everybody is represented by the groups that the media wants you to believe they are right and you know it's it's one of the labels yeah it's one of things that charlie kirk would never look at someone like geoffrey star if you if you go and look up jeffrey star right now like in this video he has purple hair he looks like a female you know that is fake nails on fake nails on this whole thing but what geoffrey is saying and and what charlie kirk did so well is that he said look you know anytime that charlie would would debate somebody and they

would come up on the microphone and they would say something although charlie obviously had a lot of followers that would kind of you know come around where charlie was talking and when they started booing or saying whatever to whoever this person was a lot of times it was far left liberals that were saying some crazy stuff right uh charlie would always say hey guys chill out let let them talk like this is the point of what we're doing. We want to talk and that, you know, and and sometimes they would come up and say, look, I know you probably hate me or hate people like me or this or that. He's like, I don't hate you. Like say, say what you want to say. I'll tell you my opinion, my thought, my belief. And I'm going to let you say what you want to say. And Charlie was always good at saying the right

things, but he was also always good at letting people talk because it's not always just about you talking. It's about letting other people talk. There's something that, James O'Keefe said today. And he said, if you're going to be a truth teller, your price has to be your life. Right. You may get endorsements, which is few and far between, by the way, when you're a truth teller, when you're someone out there that's going against the narrative, going against the globalist. I mean, how many sponsorships, guys, have you guys heard on this podcast?

I'm not trying to laugh because this is not a laughable moment, but no, we don't have sponsorships. because of the topics we talk about. Yeah, but they don't want to attach their name to people like that because they're so afraid with this woke ideology, this small minority of people that have somehow taken so much control in our country, they're so afraid that those people are going to cancel them, although they're literally opposite. They are literally opposite.

Look at what happened with Bud Light when Dylan Mulvaney, the trans person that is so trying to influence our kids on an, everyday basis. Look what happened when they brought Dillamovaney on to Bud Light. Well, they got canceled. They got destroyed. And it wasn't until Dana White and people like this, they got sponsorships and are like, hey, guys, Bud Light's good again.

And then you had, you know. All these men are showing Bud Light on their commercials now. Yeah. I mean, you had comedians. You had, you know, the Post Malones and Joe Rogan and everybody start talking about it again because they had to save Bud Light for whatever reason, although it was. was their own mistake. You look at Cracker Barrel.

Well, now Target is being exposed. I guess, you know, they went really woke. Oh, of course they did. Oh, Chad. You can tell them about that you, Chad is not the type of person that wants to go to Walmart or Target. But the few times we went to Target, he was like, holy cow, let me stop and just take a picture of this. Yeah.

When it was in the wokenest of the woke because it was pretty crazy stuff that we saw in our own local target. Yeah, I mean, they had bathing suits for guys that were female bathing. than suits that had like a area for a penis you know i mean it's just crazy stuff like that and and this was on some of their main as soon as you walk in target yeah as soon as you would walk in target it was on an in cap it was just a right in your face and target survived that but well now target has removed the wokeness from their store so now they're being boycotted by the extreme left oh yeah well that makes sense i mean and that's always what's going to happen is that once you do

something so far left. And the reason why these people do this, obviously, is because, you know, you're hiring people from universities for your marketing. And these universities, the people you're hiring are getting an education, not in marketing, by the way, because your marketing is also going to suck. And if you know anything about marketing, is like you don't divide half of your your base, especially as a retailer. I mean, it's one thing if you're like a conspiracy podcast or a conservative podcast or a Democrat podcast, whatever, obviously you know who your base. is and that's what's always kind of been tough for us because you know we definitely have democrats and we have republicans when you talk about conspiracy so there are always people

to say i just want you guys to only talk about conspiracy i want you to only talk about UFOs or ghost or this stuff i don't want you ever to talk about god or trump or politics but the reality of what we do is just we are truth seekers and i am sorry to inform conspiracies theorist out there, but if you think that most conspiracies are not also traced back to politics, then you have not been paying attention. Almost in every case that all conspiracies are traced back to political ideologies, almost all of them. I mean, there are some that are not, but most conspiracy theories are politically or originated or

in nature. And that's what I find so funny is people are like, I don't want you to talk about politics. I don't want to talk about policy. I want to talk about conspiracy. Well, how do you talk about conspiracy without talking about politics? Because that literally usually is the base of all conspiracy theories. That's literally the main actors and many of the conspiracy theories, whether it be assassinations, whether it be coverups, corruption, you name it.

Those are the biggest conspiracy theories in the world. And they're all tied back to political forces. I mean, there are things that we have brought on the show before. we've talked about the flat earth with flat earth dave i don't necessarily believe in flat earth we've talked about big foot i don't necessarily 100% believe in big foot if i do that's probably some kind of interdimensional being i mean there's always things we bring on that we're not trying to preach to you guys and say this is true this is absolutely a fact we want to evaluate all things and then talk about them how we feel and how we see them but i just i did want to play

this james o'keeff post before we get into the press conference where they caught the shooter and I do say that the Utah governor did a good job today. Yes, he did. Yeah, and then you had Cash Vettel come on. You had all of that. We'll break that down in just a minute. But here's what James O'Keefe had to say about if you are a truth teller, this is kind of your only options and this is what you need to be prepared for.

Your price. Is it $10 million? Is it $20 million? Is it $100 million? What is your price? Because if your price is not your life, then, you are for sale. If your price is not your life, then you are for sale. So if you're going to be a truth teller, your price has to be your life. I can't surround myself with people whose price is not

their life because the enemy, whatever the enemy is, whether it be physical, legal, spiritual, will attack the vulnerability of the person who can be compromised. So you get real spiritual, real fast, if you're going to do this type of work. I agree, James O'Keefe, 100%. And this is something that we've talked about, thought about. We think about it on a regular basis. You know, we have a lot of people listen to our podcast. But we're never going to back down from what we say.

We're never going to be afraid to talk about something that we shouldn't. But also, I don't think that anybody could ever say about us, like, well, you guys don't want to talk about this because you're controlled or this or that. Now, first of all, we're never controlled by anybody. We never would be controlled by anybody. You know, some of the stuff that we've talked about, just based on our own upbringing and personal beliefs and so on and so forth have divided sharing I at times, you know? And I think with all of that, it's not just you are willing to pay the price of your life for what you're going to talk about or say, but it also has to be what comes along with it because it can't affect you personally. It can affect your marriage.

It can affect your relationships. can affect your friendships. It can affect all of that. And it has for us. Our beliefs and what we say on the podcast and how adamant we are about certain things, it affects our everyday life. It affects the people around us. It affects our relationships. It affects everything. But that's not to say that we shouldn't do it. And that's the biggest thing. And I hope that with Charlie Kirk, although I understand there's going to be people now discouraged from going out and being another Charlie Kirk. There's going to be people discouraged that say I don't discouraged but afraid yeah I don't want to do that because like look what happened to him

but what I will say is that that is the biggest baton that we have to pick up from charlie kirk is to go forward and still speak we cannot as I say again we cannot let the workings of someone like charlie kirk and so many others by the way even jfk and all this stuff there's a reason why we have fought so hard to find out the the truth about JFK and the Martin Luther King assassination. We fought to find that out because we want to know the truth. Who is really behind it? And that was one of the things that really kind of inspired us through this whole seven,

eight year process is like we got to keep going. We got to keep talking. And it has been mentally draining at times. It has been depressing. It has been sad. If you guys are not on our telegram, we do have a telegram channel where we talk to a lot of you guys on live audio chats quite often, actually. We're on live audio chats with you guys quite often.

And we will talk to all of you. And there have been nights to where I or Sherry or whoever has been on telegram with you. And we have literally been nearly in tears or just completely, I guess, like the winds taken out of ourselves, whether it be something we've talked about, something we've been researching. The Charlie Kirk thing is a great example. But then also there were so many of you that were there to like lift us. up and support us. And that's not just Telegram, but in so many messages. There's been so many uplifting messages that I just want to say right now, thank you for those, because they do not go unseen. And I do thank you for the bottom of my heart for all those people that pray for us,

because we do need prayers. I think everyone needs prayers. Yeah, absolutely. So let's go ahead and get in now to the press conference. This is the press conference of the FBI and the governor of Utah, where they actually caught the killer of Charlie Kirk. And we'll get into this section of our episode now about the killer. And just for those that do not know anything about the killer, let me go ahead and tell you who Tyler Robinson is. So some sorts of say that he may have been over the past couple of years changing his political beliefs or just starting to get into this political ideology.

And so he is 22 years old from Utah. he does not attend Utah Valley University, but he was an electrical apprenticeship program at Dixie Technical College. He also briefly attended Utah State University. Adorty say he became more political in recent years and that he had expressed dislike of Kirk's views. There are messages that investigators recovered

via his roommate showing preparations, retrieving a rifle from a drop point, leaving it in a bush, referencing engraving bullets, discussion of the rifle and scope, etc. So if you think about this engraving of bullets, we've kind of seen this. We just saw this with the Minneapolis shooter, which is also basically an anti-fascist, although he was trans.

You also go back to Luigi Mangione, where he killed the United Healthcare CEO. This is starting to become a movement. This is a movement on their side of assassinations. And this is likely all from Antifa, the anti-fascist movement, which is heavily funded by the globalist forces like George Soros. So Robinson is now in custody. his charges include aggravated murder, felony firearm discharge or discharge of a firearm calls in serious bodily harm, and obstruction of justice among others.

He is right now being held without bail. He has allegedly confessed or implied involvement to a family member, which led to someone, a family friend, contacting law enforcement. The father played a role in recognizing him in release photos, confronting him, encouraging, surrender, and etc. Now, so they're also talking about. talking about his father a little bit here. There's some conflicting still immersion information, but here's the kind of current reporting. His father's name is Matt Robinson. Matt Robinson

is reported by some sources to have recognized his son from surveillance federal photos and then confronted him. Now, after the recognition, Tyler initially refused to turn himself in in one report even threatened suicide rather than being arrested. But the father got involved along with a youth pastor who was also involved in a U.S. Marshal Task Force. That used that youth pastor reported helped persuade Tyler to surrender or stay put, enabling law enforcement to take him into custody. So some sorts are saying Matt Robinson, the father is one or was a deputy with Washington County Sheriff's Office or has law enforcement background, although we do not know for sure. Other reports are more cautious saying that the youth pastor who helped was the one that was

in law enforcement, which was in U.S. Marshal Service Task Force officer, but not definitely saying Matt himself is currently a law enforcement officer. we don't 100% know about the family and kind of the origin. We do know that Tyler was registered or I guess as an independent. He was not a Republican or Democrat social media. They're literally taking the original college pictures, I guess, when he was in a college dorm. He had this red shirt on.

And now they're a leftists that are AI creating photos that show Trump 2024, Trump whatever, MAGA. They're just trying to make him a part of MAGA. And obviously, if you are someone that is willing to kill Charlie Kirk, which was literally the biggest supporter of Donald Trump and was the main reason Donald Trump was elected, you're not going to go and assassinate Charlie Kirk. Right. If you are a Trump supporter.

His parents registered as Republicans. But that goes to say when you go to college, your views sometimes change. All right. So I want to go ahead and get into the press conference because I think there's some really good details, but also just speeches from the Utah governor. And this is the press conference as soon. as they officially announced that they have caught the shooter of Charlie Kirk. Listen.

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. We got him. On the evening of September 11th, a family member of Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident. This information was relayed to the Utah County Sheriff's Office and seen investigators at Utah Valley University. This information was also conveyed to the FBI.

Investigators reviewed additional video footage from UVU surveillance and identified Robinson arriving on UVU campus in a gray Dodge Challenger at approximately 829 a.m. on September 10th, in which he is observed on video in a plain maroon t-shirt, light-colored shorts, a black hat with a white logo, and light-colored shoes. When encountered in person by investigators in Washington County on September 12th, in the early morning hours, Robinson was observed in consistent clothing with those surveillance images. Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years. The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson came to dinner prior to September 10th, and in the conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie,

Kirk was coming to UVU. They talked about why they didn't like him and the viewpoints that he had. The family member also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate. The family member also confirmed Robinson had a gray Dodge Challenger. Investigators identified an individual as the roommate of Robinson. Investigators interviewed that roommate who stated that his roommate, referring to Robinson, made a joke on Discord. Investigators asked if he would show them the messages on Discord. He opened it and showed several messages to investigators and allowed investigators to take photos of the screen as each message was shown by Robinson's roommate. These photos consisted of various messages, including content of messages between the phone contact name Tyler

with an emoji icon and Robinson's roommate's device. The content of these messages included messages affiliated with the contact Tyler, stating a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush, messages related to a to visually watching the area where a rifle was left, and a message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel. The messages also refer to engraving bullets and a mention of a scope and the rifle being unique. messages from the contact Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits. I know there has been speculation as well as to the writing on those casings, those bullet casings, and I believe we have that as well.

And I will share that with you now. So the area north of Campus Drive Road where the suspect crossed over, you saw some of that in the video that we released, last night, consists of a grassy area with trees on the edge of the UVU campus. Investigators discovered a bolt-action rifle wrapped in a dark-colored towel. The rifle was determined to be a Mouser Model 98-30-0-6 caliber bolt-action rifle. The rifle had a scope mounted on top of it. Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found with the rifle. Inscriptions on a fired casing read notices bulges, capital O-W-O, what's this question mark? Inscriptions on the three unfired casings read, hey, fascist, exclamation point, catch exclamation point.

Up arrow symbol, right arrow, and symbol, and three down arrow symbols. A second unfired casing read, oh, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Chow, Chow and a third unfired casing red. If you read this, you are gay, L-M-A-O. I want to stop for a second because the Bella Chow, Bella Chow, is a statement that many, I guess, groups around the world have said because of the anti-fascist movement. So that was what that meant. And I do want to point out something real quick. We are going to have Jason Hanson on the podcast Tuesday.

Jason Hanson is a friend. and he is an ex-CIA officer. He's one of the most well-known. I guess you can say CIA officers. He's been on Oprah. He's been on kind of everybody. He's going to be on the podcast with us Tuesday evening, which we will be releasing to where we can break some of this stuff down a little better

just from a expert's opinion on the shooter, on the plan, on all of this. And so I just want you guys to know Tuesday night, we will have Jason Hanson, CIA officer, or ex-CIA officer on the show. So let's listen some more. We are indebted to law enforcement across the state who's worked seamlessly together, local law enforcement, state law enforcement, and our federal partners with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. We're grateful for everyone who worked together in such a short amount of time to find this person

and to bring justice. I want to thank the public who has been so engaged, reviewing, reviewing videos, helping us with sending in tips and helping us get to this point. I want to thank the family members of Tyler Robinson who did the right thing in this case and were able to bring him into law enforcement as well. I especially want to thank the family of Charlie Kirk, Erica, Charlie's parents, his children. I want us to be thinking of them as we bring justice in this case. They will be involved in that justice. We will be working very closely with them as we move through this process as well. This is a very sad day for, again, for our country.

country, a terrible day for the state of Utah, but I'm grateful that at this moment we have an opportunity to bring closure to this very dark chapter in our nation's history. With that, I will now turn the microphone over to the director of the FBI, Cash Patel. Thank you, Governor. This is what happens when you let good cops be cops. The FBI and our partners are proud to stand here today together to bring justice. to the family of Charlie Kirk in honor his memory. I want to express my deep gratitude to President Trump, the vice president, and the entire White House

who have been so incredibly supportive with both resources and just personally to the FBI as a team. They had our backs the entire way, and I just want to express my gratitude for giving us the resources we need to operate in this space to bring this sort of justice at this sort of speed. In 33 hours, we have made historic progress for Charlie. Governor Cox, our partnership has been absolutely incredible these last few days.

Our partnership will endure. Your state and local partners, your sheriffs, your DPS community has been unbelievably impressive in the hardest of times. In a case like this cannot be solved, cannot be brought without partnering with your state and local authorities. The FBI has a certain role to play, and we will play that role, and we will lead out for the federal government. Governor Coxfier is so grateful for your state partnership that led out on this investigation. A little bit of the timeline. Charlie was shot at 1223 p.m. on Wednesday. The first FBI agents arrived on scene in 16 minutes with Chiefs of Police at 1239 and secured the scene.

The FBI immediately launched fixed-wing assets. We utilize these assets to transport personnel, specialty technicians, hostage rescue teams, We also utilize these assets to go back and forth from the East Coast and here in Utah to transport forensic evidence and other evidence that will be analyzed and is being analyzed at our FBI laboratories in Quantico and other laboratories, including the ATF. At my direction, the FBI released the first set of FBI photos of the suspect at 10 a.m., local time on 9-11. Then, shortly thereafter, the FBI reward of $100,000 was released at 10.45 a.m. local. myself and deputy director bonjino arrived on the scene at approximately 5.30 p.m. on 9-11. The governor led a press conference last night at approximately 8 p.m. where am I direction, the FBI released a never-before seen video of the suspect.

We also released new images to the public of the suspect. And just last night, the suspect was taken into custody at 10 p.m. local time. In less than 36 hours, 33 to be precise, thanks to the full weight of the federal government and leading out with the partners here in the state of Utah, Governor Cox, the suspect was apprehended in a historic time period. And I want to highlight what Governor Cox said. This would not have been possible without you, the media, and you the public. That's why we went so public, so fast, and we're so transparent, and we're committed to that

transparency. The crime scene, just a little bit there. It is a large crime scene. State and local authorities, along with federal authorities, process that crime scene quickly. And I even had the ability to walk through that crime scene and walk through the steps the suspect took to learn more about what was needed

and what resources we need to bear to create a full picture for the FBI and leadership back in Washington. Furthermore, thankfully, to state and local partners, forensic evidence has been seized and continues to be garnered. Forensic evidence has already been invalidated. FBI laboratories in Quantico and state local authorities here. We will continue to process evidence as we see it, as we collect it, and we will continue to deliver to Governor Cox and his team. Last night, we had a total of approximately 7,000

interviews, excuse me, 7,000 leads. As of this morning, thanks to your great work, we have over 11,000 leads that were called in to the FBI. And we are running. out every single lead that we can. Every one of those leads will be run out. The arrest is a testament to dedication of good law enforcement being great and partnerships in law enforcement, which I've tried to highlight as my tenure at the director of the FBI. There is no better relationship for law enforcement than the FBI to partner with state and local authorities, and you've seen it here in these last few days. The FBI Salt Lake Field Office, along with our offices in LA, Phoenix, Denver,

San Antonio, Las Vegas, Pittsburgh Buffalo, our headquarters component in Quantico, all participate in the FBI. I want to express my deep gratitude to the employees of the FBI, the men and women, the evidence response team tacticians, the special operators, the agents, the support staff. You have done monumental work in historic time when the public who had a right to demand such an expeditious solving of an investigation, The FBI answered that call diligently, critically important to our nation, and we delivered. And I'm proud to be their leader, and I'm proud to be the director of the FBI. This is very much an ongoing investigation, as the governor said, and we will continue to work with state and local authorities to develop the investigation, to provide them the evidence they need for their ongoing prosecutions. And we will be here to answer every call they absolutely have as long as it takes for as long as we need to some. find and apprehended whatever suspects were involved in this crime. Lastly, to my friend Charlie Kirk,

rest now, brother. We have the watch. And I'll see you in Valhalla. Thank you. And good morning. I would just like to take a few minutes as the sheriff to express my gratitude for everybody who has played a part in this investigation. As you know, it's been a vast, a complicated, and a very, very fast-paced investigation. You're looking at people standing up here who are running on, if they got an hour's sleep in the last couple of days, they're probably lucky. It has been very taxing.

It has been so impressive of speaking on behalf of the local law enforcement to see the cooperation that we've seen in this type of case. Across the state, sheriffs, chiefs, Our state partners have stepped up and have come to the call on anything that we needed. Our county chiefs have been phenomenal. Our Utah County Attorney, Jeff Gray, who's standing up here with us, has been phenomenal in leading us through this investigation. I would like to thank the federal government for their resources, their assets. Our local team here, our FBI team has been extraordinary in helping us work through this.

and bring this person to justice. Most of all, I would like to thank the public, and specifically, I would like to thank the public who turned to prayers and who turned to positiveness for us. I would like to thank them on behalf of the law enforcement community because we needed those prayers. That's what we needed to get through this. We needed your support, and you gave it to us.

We needed your patience, and you gave it to us. We needed your patience and you gave it to us. And I would like to thank you for the Kirk family because that's what they need is your support and your prayers. And that will get us through all of this. So thank you, everybody for everybody that have stepped up. We've had such a phenomenal response to this. Thank you. I also want to give a special thanks to the Attorney General and Department of Justice.

Their unwavering support and their commitment to justice is shown true. here and without A.G. Bondi and Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche and the resources they brought to bear, we would not have been able to complete our mission. And I just want to say special thanks. It's an honor to be a part of the Department of Justice. Thank you again to our incredible law enforcement team who has worked so hard. Sheriff, I got a solid 90 minutes last night, so I'm probably the most well-rested person up here. Ladies and gentlemen, I get the microphone. So I hope you'll permit me a moment just to share a few more thoughts about where we are and how we got here and and and and maybe a little bit of where we go from here. I don't want to get too preachy, but I think it's important that we with eyes wide open understand what's happening in our country today.

I've heard I've heard people say, well, why are we why are we so invested in this? There's violence happening all across our country, and violence is tragic everywhere, and every life taken is a child of God who deserves our love and respect and dignity. This is certainly about the tragic death assassination, political assassination, of Charlie Kirk, but it is also much bigger than an attack on an individual. It is an attack on all of us. It is an attack on the American experiment. It is an attack on our ideals.

This cuts to the very foundation of who we are, of who we have been, and who we could be in better times. Political violence is different than any other type of violence for lots of different reasons. One, because in the very act that Charlie championed of expression, that freedom of expression, that is enshrined in our founding documents, in having his life taken in that very act, makes it more difficult for people to feel like they can share their ideas, that they can speak freely. We will never be able to solve all the other problems, including the violence problems that people are. are worried about if we can't have a clash of ideas safely and securely, even especially, especially those ideas with which you disagree. That's why this matters so much. Over the last 48

hours, I have been as angry as I have ever been, as sad as I have ever been. And it was as anger pushed me to the brink, it was actually Charlie's words that pulled me back. I'd like to share some of those. And specifically right now, if I could, I need to talk to the young people in our state, in my state, and all across the country. As President Trump reminded me, he said, you know who really loved Charlie? The youths. And he's right. Young people love Charlie. and young people hated Charlie. And Charlie went into those places anyway. And these are the words that have helped me.

Charlie said, when people stop talking, that's when you get violence. He said, the weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. The only way out of the labyrinth of suffering is to forgive. Welcome without judgment, love without condition, forgive without limit. He said, always forgive your enemies. Nothing annoys them so much. A few months ago, I referenced this last night, Charlie posted to social media,

when things are moving very fast and people are losing their minds, it's important to stay grounded. Turn off your phone, read scripture, spend time with friends, And remember, Internet Fury is not real life. It's going to be okay. He again said, when you stop having a human connection with someone you disagree with, it becomes a lot easier to commit violence. He said what we as a culture have to get back to is being able to have a reasonable agreement,

being able to have reasonable agreement where violence is not an option. Now, again, to my young. friends out there. You are inheriting a country where politics feels like rage. It feels like rage is the only option. But through those words, we have a reminder that we can choose a different path. Your generation has an opportunity to build a culture that is very different than what we are suffering through right now. Not by pretending differences don't matter, but by embracing our differences and having those hard conversations. I think we need more moral clarity right now. I hear all the time that words are violence. Words are not violence. Violence is violence.

And there is one person responsible for what happened here. And that person is now in custody and will be charged soon and will be held accountable. And yet all of us have an opportunity right now to do something different. I want to thank my fellow Utahans. You know, this bad stuff happens. And for 33 hours, I was praying that if, this had to happen here, that it wouldn't be one of us, that somebody drove from another state, somebody came from another country. Sadly, that prayer was not answered the way I had hoped for,

just because I thought it would make it easier on us if we could just say, hey, we don't do that here. And indeed, Utah is a special place. We leave the nation in charitable giving. We leave the nation in service every year. But it did happen here. And it was one of us. But I want you to look at how Utahans reacted the last two nights. There was no rioting. There was no looting. There were no cars set on fire.

There's no violence. There were vigils and prayers and people coming together to share the humanity. And that, ladies and gentlemen, I believe is the answer to this. We can return violence with violence. We can return hate with hate. And that's the problem with political violence, is it metastasizes. Because we can always point the finger at the other side. And at some point, we have to find an off-ramp, or it's going to get much, much worse.

But see, these are choices that we can make. History will dictate if this is a turning point for our country, but every single one of us gets to choose right now if this is a turning point for us. We get to make decisions. We have our agency. And I desperately call on every American, Republican, Democrat, liberal, progressive, conservative, MAGA, all of us to please, please, please. follow what Charlie taught me. I'll just conclude with words I share often from a friend and author Yuval Levin who was asked if he was optimistic about our country.

He said, I'm not optimistic. He said, I hate optimism. God, that sounds bad. But he said, he said, optimism is a vice. It's this idea that good things are just going to happen. He said, in the history of the world, good things have never just happened. He says, I'm not optimistic, but I am hopeful. And hope is the virtue that sits between the vices of optimism and pessimism.

Hope is the idea that good things are going to happen because we can make them so. I still believe in our country. And I know Charlie Kirk believed in our country. I still believe that there is more good among us than evil. and I still believe that we can change the course of history. I'm hopeful because Americans can make it so. These gentlemen, we're happy to answer any questions you might. There you go.

That was Spencer Cox, the governor of Utah. I think he had an amazing speech. I think he could not have said it any better. And as he says, you know, is this going to be a turning point for our country? well, we don't know that yet. Is it going to be a turning point for good or bad? We don't also know that yet. But is this going to be a turning point for us?

And I think, guys, if you have listened to this show so far, you understand that there are so many people that I think this is becoming a turning point for them. Yes. And is it going to become a turning point for you, regardless of how we go forward in this country and how we respond to this as a nation and how we respond to this as either Christians or conservatives or just. just people that care about other people. You don't have to be a conservative to be moral. You don't have to be a conservative to love other people to do things for them. Right. You just have to be human.

You have to be, you have to resist evil. And I think that, you know, it's just like with the Charlotte stabbing of the young lady from Ukraine, you know, and how they're trying to call it a, he was schizophrenic. I don't buy it. I think he's evil. I think there are a lot of people that are evil and their number one defense when they commit these heinous crimes is based on the trying to convince the court or the people to believe that they are psychotic or they have some type of mental issue. But how far does that actually excuse their crime and what they did? This guy took a life. And from what I'm already hearing, the defense sounds like they're already planning for.

they know that it's likely not going to be very good for them because they have not only confessions and witnesses and videos and pictures and all this stuff so now they're going to try to go with an insanity plea and this is like the get out of jail free card typically it's like if you don't want to be put to death based on you killing someone else go insanity plea and so what we're hearing right now is that potentially the defense is already kind of starting to plan this you basically have no other option especially with all the evidence that is built up against you. And so they're going to try to go insanity.

But at what point is insanity, insanity, and or evil? And I think that with this guy, he was evil. I think with the Charlotte stabbing guy, he was evil, regardless of the reasoning, whether it be political ideology, race related, whatever, evil is evil and good is good. And I do think that we have to have a turning point in this country right now. and I don't know 100% what our next steps forward are. I don't know how we move past this as a country. But I hope and I pray,

and I think they're already seeing this, is that it's waking a lot of us up. It's inspiring a lot of people that maybe we're sitting on the fence or we're lukewarm or were just people that said, I don't know, I don't know if it's the right thing for me or or because this person thinks maybe if I say this or believe in Jesus or I believe in this, I don't want to offend them. I'm more concerned about what they think than what Jesus thinks or what God thinks.

And we can't be like that. You know, one of the things that we're going to close with, the last thing we're going to close with is Charlie Kirk. And I think this is a brilliantly laid out piece. And the core foundational values of what Charlie Kirk believed is this. And it is what is grace and how is grace defined? and how should we all live our lives based on our beliefs and especially when we're around evil? What is it? It's grace, but what does grace really mean? Guys, we're going to close it out with this.

We obviously could talk about this for hours. We just did an episode about this two days ago. We are thankful that a suspect is in custody. We are thankful that God is speaking through people, not necessarily people, but. through Charlie. God does not let this go to waste and he's not going to. Charlie was a warrior. He was someone that battled for the right cause.

And Sherry, I know that you had this written down, but you were talking about Vahala. And there's a lot of people on social media right now that saying, oh my God, I can't believe that, you know, Cash Patel said, I see you in Vahala. But that's just the same. But that's just the same thing that's happening right now. like let people say what they want to say. And if you would disagree, disagree nicely. Like, who cares what he said?

Well, I just don't understand. But as people, it's people like Dan Bilzerian and all these people are like, oh, my God, I can't believe he said see you in Vahala. He's not military. Well, let me explain what Vahala means. When someone says see you in Vahala to someone who has passed, they're drawn on Norseian mythology or a viking tradition, which means literally the hall of the slain. It was believed to be the great hall in Asgard, ruled by Odin, where warriors who died bravely in battle were taken by the Balkyries. There, they would feast, fight, and prepare for Reganag, the final battle of the gods. So in modern terms, basically, this says, see you in Bahala is like saying, I'll see you again in the afterlife in a place in honor reserved for the brave.

And I do believe that Charlie Kirk was brave. And I do believe that he was a warrior. and you don't have to necessarily wear a United States military uniform to be a warrior. You don't have to wear a police uniform to be a warrior. Each and every single one of you right now that is listening to this podcast can be a warrior. And I'm not saying by taking a gun and going to shoot someone on the other side, I'm literally saying that you can be a warrior for God or be a warrior for the right, your consciousness, your soul, your morals.

You can be a warrior every single day. Don't be afraid to speak out. don't be afraid to speak up and don't be afraid to deny what you in your heart and your soul believe because I don't think at all that's going to do your soul any good. You're going to feel you're going to feel desperate. You're going to feel defeating. You're going to feel beaten down. You're going to feel depressed.

And, you know, it's one of the things that I think has also affected me over the past six months to a year. The reason why I felt depressed. The reason why I felt beaten down is because I've been battling this, this battle where God's like, hey, I want you. I need you to be a part of my warriors, but like you're not waking up like I want you to. And you got to open yourself up to let God in. You know, God can't perform all miracles. He can, but he's not going to just all of a sudden make you a better person. He's not just going to all of a sudden make you a Christian just like the same thing that Spencer Cox said, the governor of Utah. You know, optimism is saying that hopefully everything will be good.

But hope is saying that I hope that things will be good. And I'm going to work for those things to be good. I'm going to do things in my life every single day to represent and reflect good. Because without doing that yourself, that's like saying that I'm going to wake up every day and hope I make millions of dollars. That's just not going to happen. You got to do something for that to happen. And that is where the difference in optimism and hope transcend. But that's also the difference in what Charlie Kirk is about to explain about grace.

And we're going to close that with this. Guys, we hope you all have an amazing weekend. I know it's been a tough week for all of us, especially in the United States, but I think it's affecting a lot of people around the world. It's not just Charlie Kirk. We're going to pray for all of you. Pray for us because I think that we definitely, we obviously need. needed just like you guys do.

We're a family here. Hopefully just draws us all together rather than apart. And I truly do care about each and every one of you. Everybody that listens to this podcast, everyone that's stuck with us for so long, you just can't imagine how much it means to us when you guys respond or interact with us or listen to our episodes. It means the world to us. It truly does.

And you guys are the entire reason why we do this because we just want to do our very very best to serve you, but most importantly, serve God and the bigger mission, which is truth. And so we will close it with Charlie Kirk. Until next time, guys, we love you. Peace out. Not yet believers, it's very simple. You're going to have a court date. We all die. And you're all going to meet the supreme judge of the universe. Justice is getting what you deserve, which is going to a not so good place. We're all sinners and we all fall short of the glory of God. But thanks to the cross, a perfect loving God who came down in human form, human flesh, lived a perfect life and died for us so that we can live forever. At that moment, we're about to get that

sentencing into eternal damnation. Somebody says, no, no, no, no, I know him. I know her. Welcome to eternal life. You have an opportunity. The gospel in four words is Jesus took my place. Three words is him for me. Two words is substitutionary atonement. And one word is grace. Grace, you cannot earn. Grace, you do not pay for. It doesn't matter how much money you give to the hospital. You can't earn it. It doesn't matter if you're a good person. It doesn't matter if you have always done the best you can, because different about Christianity is that it's a gift for all of humanity to receive, regardless of everything that we have done. And your life will be transformed. You will be born again. Grace is not earned. It is given by a God who loves you and wants to spend eternity with you. It is the most

important decision you can make in your life. Here I am. God bless you guys. Thank you so much.