Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Charlie Kirk Assassination | Ashton Forbes Responds to Ian Carroll & Candace Owens

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

Tonight, we’re diving into one of the most explosive conversations to emerge after the tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk. In the days since, Ian Carrol and Candace Owens have sparked outrage by suggesting Israel bears responsibility. These comments have ignited debate across media, politics, and the conspiracy world. With us tonight is Ashton Forbes, who’s here to cut through the noise, respond to these claims, and help us uncover what’s really going on.Visit our merchandise store

Investigator Earth podcast. I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're going to dive into one of the most explosive conversations to kind of emerge after this tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk. In the days since, Ian Carroll and Kenneth Owens have both sparked outrage by suggesting Israel is the one that bears responsibility for the Charlie Kirk assassination. Now, obviously these comments have ignited debate across media politics, the conspiracy world, and there has been one person in particular that has been speaking out against Ian Carroll and Candace Owens, and that is Ashton Forbes.

With this night is Ashton Forbes, who is here to kind of cut through the noise and respond to some of these claims that Ian Carroll has made alongside Kansas Owens. And for those that do not know, Ian Carroll, and especially Ian Carroll has been a friend to our show. He has been a friend to Ashton as well. So let's go ahead and welcome Ashton Forbes on to the stage. Ashton, welcome, man. How's it going? Oh, it's going. How are you guys? We are fantastic. It's so good to have you back on, man. We've, obviously, we've had you on so many episodes on our podcast, on audio primarily. We primarily do audio. We are doing video on tonight's episode. What we do have to make an announcement for those that have not saw Ashton Forbes post over the past, I don't know, a couple of hours, as Ian Carroll did back out as of right now. Now, I did actually send Ian Carroll the link to, to this. So if he does change his mind somewhere in between here and we see him pop up, then he can come in. But Ashton, just go ahead and first talk about kind of where this all started with Candice Owens, Ian Carroll. And for those that do not know

or don't have a backstory on this, what we do know is Ian Carroll about a year ago. He came on our podcast. I know he's came on your stuff. He supported your work a lot. He also supported our work quite a bit. One of my critiques of Ian was, you know, kind of once he hit the mainstream, right? And I think that was something you had actually said on your ex account. And he said it kind of seemed like it was, you know, him kind of hitting mainstream to where he kind of just, I don't know, ignored everybody in the past and especially things that were consequential to his beliefs or kind of his belief system.

One of the things I criticize him of, and this is something that I had said, is like, once you build your platform on everything is Israel, then it's kind of hard to decipher anything that isn't Israel. Give us a little bit of the back story on Ian Carroll and Kansas Owens. Well, if you could first just share the image that I posted that I shared in here, I just want everybody to look at this. This is Erica Kirk. Her husband was just assassinated.

She has two children who she can't even tell what happened to her husband, to their father, because of how horrific it is. People out there have no empathy whatsoever. They have completely lost the plot. We are through the looking glass at this point. People that are making up fake conspiracies for their own just mentally deranged, sick political agendas need to be locked up in an insane asylum. Yeah.

Think about, look at her eyes and think about, what you are doing to her and to her family. It literally does not matter what the truth is. What really matters is what's happening to Erica Kirk and her family, the people whose lives were destroyed when an assassin put a bullet through Charlie Kirk's neck. Yeah. That image will never get out of my head for as long as I live. For sure.

And the first thing I want to say is the people out there that are pushing these conspiracy theories about it, they are the worst scum-sucking pieces of shit on the face of the earth. People wanted me to come on here and be nice. I am not Charlie Kirk. He was a better person than I am. This guy, the people that are doing this, they're trying to claim the high ground that they're just asking questions, which I call jacking off. These people that are doing this just asking questions, they're not doing this for the truth. They're claiming to be victims because people are attacking us for just asking questions. They're not the victims.

Charlie Kirk and Erica Kirk are the victims. How dare you even try to propose that? You are the worst human beings out there. Just tell the truth of what you're doing. What they're doing is they saw an opportunity to make this. about their political agenda, and they took it immediately. Ian Carroll, Candice Owens, Ryan Mata, Jason Hinkle, John Cullen. These are the worst scumbags ever, and they should be shunned from polite society.

Not only have they been making up fake conspiracies since less than 24 hours after he was shot. they're still doing it right now. Ian Carroll is literally replying to people just less than an hour ago. After he dodged this debate, I've been calling out these liars for a week. I made a big post that went viral about how I disavow these people. I owe them nothing. People are trying to say,

Ashton, they platformed you. So don't you have to, Don't you have to agree with whatever they say? No. Hell no. In fact, to have integrity means to say when somebody is lying to call them out, to say, you know what, even though they're technically my friends, even though they did me a favor platform me before, I'm going to still do the right thing instead of just in the line.

So what has been happening is that these people, and it started actually with Sam Tripoli. Sam Tripoli was pushing this early on September 12th. That was over a week ago. And I started calling him out because I saw right away how this was going to fester and grow. And their agenda is clear. Their agenda is they saw an opportunity to blame this on Israel. And they went all in on it. They are, none of these people are trying to get the truth for what happened to Charlie Kirk.

And the absolute way that you can prove that's the case. is you just have to ask them one question. Who do you think shot Charlie Kirk? The moment you ask that of them, they have no answer whatsoever. And the reason is not trying to solve anything. They're not trying to put a story together. They're just trying to spin a narrative

so that they can blame Israel because these people are 100% obsessed. They have a movement that they've created where they are trying to disassociate us from Israel, whatever. I don't even care about that. I don't care about that. In fact, maybe it's a good idea to get foreign,

uh, foreign lobbying out of our government. I agree with that. What I don't agree with is using Charlie Kirk's death to that end, dishonor. And that is 100% what they've been doing. Do not let them gaslight. Do not let them get out of this. This is what they've been doing and it's a boring. Yeah.

And, you know, there's a lot of people, Ashton, that have been saying since you have taken this pretty big stance. I guess a lot of people are saying pro-Israel stance. You are being pro-Israel now because you were calling out Ian Carroll, you were calling out Candice Owens, you know, these people that have, as you say, platformed you. And I say more so Candice, I guess, than Ian, you know, because we all used to kind of hang and chat with Ian quite a bit. I wouldn't necessarily think that he's platform. I know you've been on Candice Owens once or twice. But what do you say to the people that say that you must have got paid now because you were so hard,

on this anti-Israel conspiracy about Charlie Kirk's assassination. Well, yeah, I want to address all those questions, too, and all the questions about people, you know, people have all these criticisms of me addressing this. And we're going to address all of them tonight. Before I do that, I want to just read a Bible passage. It was in Matthew 2428. Just wherever there is a corpse, the vultures will gather. And that's what's going on here, is these opportunists.

saw a chance to not only make it about Israel, but to also get a bunch of clicks. They saw an opportunity to get a whole bunch of clicks, and they took advantage. And again, another way to prove this 100%. You just ask them, why didn't you just wait a week? Why did you immediately jump on this whole narrative in under 24 hours?

None of this was going to go away. You could have waited a week. The reason why they didn't wait is because these are the worst kind of piece of shit grifters out there. What they do is every, they need engagement. Whatever is the hottest thing out there, they need to jump on it right away. Start making TikTok videos about it because it gets some huge amounts of views.

That's why they're doing it. It's 100% why Candace O. was doing it. She even, she did three ad reads in one of her videos. She's bragging about how many people are watching her weirdo, schizo videos that are just literally psychotic, literally psychotic.

And we're going to talk about some of those as well. I am not Jewish. I am not paid by anybody. I do and say whatever I want. And the reason why I decided to speak out about all of this is I had seen this growing trend. I had never called these people out, even though there's several things that I significantly disagreed with where they were doing this same thing, like with the Trump assassination attempt and several other cases as well.

But this was the line for me. Because a man was politically assassinated, politically assassinated. and he was politically assassinated by a left-wing radical terrorist. And this is our chance to actually stop some of this stuff. We've got trans shooters basically every few weeks happening, shooting up schools. And what I would tell the people out there that are the people jacking off over this, is is it so incredible? Is it so impossible to believe that maybe it was just a radicalized leftist that did

this is that so unreal for these people right and so this is the reason that i have grown a large following not maybe not large but whatever you want to call it over the last couple years and i can't think of any better thing to use that for than to tear down these disgusting grifters they need to just be completely expelled from social they can go into their own little corner of social media where they all do their little schizo stuff together, and everybody else just ignore them, shun them, expose them for what they are, and remove them from polite society.

So that's why I'm doing this and no other reason. And for the people that a lot of people have said, stick to MH370, stick to politics, or stick to science or whatever. First of all, don't ever tell me what to do. I'm going to do whatever I want all the time. Yeah. Second thing is, I've learned a really good lesson from this.

We can never give these people zero point energy. We can never give these people super weapons that can destroy our planet. A type of person that's willing to use a man's death to come up with a fake narrative to attack a whole group of people over it, that is exactly what the left does. Exactly. That's why the people that are doing this, unambiguously, are the woke. right because they are identical to the woke left. They are gaslighting.

They are making up narratives to vilify their adversaries so that people will attack them, just like the left does when they say, you're a Nazi, you're a fascist. You have to stop all the fascists. These people are doing the exact same thing, but they're doing it to the Jews, the Israelis. Yeah. And I won't stand for it on either side. It's not right when the left does it, and it's not right when the right does it either. Let me ask you.

Go ahead. Sorry, Ashton, let me ask you this real quick because, you know, obviously Nick Fuentes, for example, Nick Fuentes, I used to not necessarily agree with. I used to somewhat think that Nick Fuentes was similar to Ian Carroll. Okay. So, and the more I watched Nick Fuentes over the past two years, I guess, I can say. And Nick Fuentes has been around a lot longer than that. And for anybody that-

going after Israel and Jews for 10 years. Yeah. He's not a grifter. That's what he, his whole platform is on. Yeah, absolutely. He's not somebody that's came in and said, okay, let's go blame Israel for all this stuff. But the difference in Nick Fuentes, I guess, in this kind of space is that Nick Fentz, like you said, he has backed up or at least that has been his belief, his core

structure. And he does believe the APAC is heavily infiltrated in U.S. politics. He has called that out. in some ways, Nick Fentez has called that out very dramatically. He had said some wild shit out there, right? And Ashina, I think you've said some wild shit too. But I think also at the same time, that gets eyes to your video at the same time sending a message to where, like, he is heavily researched. And I would almost say, and I could be wrong about this, I would say that Nick Fonzaz in some ways is kind of like you, but just not with MH370.

I think with the Israel APEC situation. Now, Nick Fuentes has commented on this whole thing. And one of the things I found interesting about one of his videos, I want to play this real quick. It was Nick Fuentes saying about the low IQ anti-Semitism, which is kind of wild. But let's go ahead and get to that real quick. I want to play this video for you guys.

Check this out. This is Nick Fuentes and then we'll comment on it. Here you go. And the reason that I am digging in on this, I cannot fucking wait for it to be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. out that this was some left-wing douchebag, because the low IQ anti-Semitism is dragging us to hell. It really is. We have reached a critical mass.

And let's be honest, since October 7th, it has been a grift for many to glom on and post the most base. And I don't, I'm not saying base. I'm saying base as in low, simple, primitive. It has been a fucking grift for various freaks and losers. They know that if they just shovel out the most low IQ anti-Jew content, that's the easiest way to blow up on Twitter right now, just obviously. And as a consequence, now there isn't even a semblance of a movement. It's just an assortment of like Muslims that that are,

anti-white many of them, and many of them aren't American, a number of weirdo leftists, other assorted people, because it is so popular and just easy, frankly, to shit on Israel and get a following, now we have a ton of these people. And they don't understand politics. They don't know anything about politics at all or how it works. All they know is how to press one button. And so everything that happens. Now, granted, because of the nature of the problem, that's a pretty reliable button to press. If you look at many of the events over the past two years, if you're pressing the Jew button every time, you're going to have like a 95% hit ratio, 99% hit rate. And on some level, you might be right. Bombing Iran, yep. Trump getting elected,

yep. But some things it doesn't really work. And it's showing the limitations of the new coalition. We have a real low versus elite human capital problem. And this might be the biggest demonstration of that. And the reason it's becoming a problem, I'll just reiterate very quickly. And then we'll move on into the news. I don't want to spend all my time talking about this again on the show tonight. But look, this is a battle. This is not a battle that I chose to have, but I'm being forced into it. I didn't want to step on everybody's toes. If people are blaming Israel, I'd said this to Dave Smith over the weekend. I said, if people are blaming Israel, I'm not really upset about that.

But I started to get pissed off when people said, oh, you don't believe it automatically. You got the memo. You got the call. You're afraid. Fuck you. I'm still at my house. I'm afraid. I'm still at my fucking house where someone tried to kill me.

I'm not afraid of fucking nothing. And I've been on this for 10 years. No, I'm not going to take shit from some health conspiracy theorist from some crypto grifter, pointing the finger at me saying, I'm not a true believer. Fuck you. So there you go. Oh, my bad. I literally just took us off the screen.

So that was Nick Pintess. And listen, I got to say, you know, I believe a lot of the stuff about, Israel. I'm not going to lie. I mean, there are a lot of things, APAC, the influence on our politics, you know, Nick Fuentes even says that maybe Trump was actually elected because of Israel. You think about the funding, everything, you think about even just Democrats and Republicans. It's not on one side. We have politicians on both sides of the party, on both side, Democrat and Republican that are heavily funded by APAC. There is also that accusation, which we don't know for sure about Charlie Kirk, that maybe he was offered $150 million.

to be more pro-Israel. But yeah, keep going. Okay, it's been this belt. So, no, not yet. It's going to get dispelled probably once Erica Kirk goes on her podcast. That was probably the reason why Ian backed out was that earlier this morning or maybe yesterday, night, whatever it was. Erica Kirk apparently is going to go on a podcast and address all these rumors.

And it's not going to be to confirm these rumors. And there's no way it's going to be reconfirming these rumors. So the walls are closing in on these people. And I've been railing on them for all. over a week. And this should give me a lot of credibility way before all this stuff has come out, right? And they should have been waiting too. These people, they deserve everything coming to them. Because they could have just waited. They could have just waited and let's see how things play out, but they couldn't wait. And now the evidence is coming out and it's hammering them. All their fake

narratives are going to be destroyed. Candice Owens pretended like she had some secret letter or something. Nick Fuentes called her out, told her she needs to release that immediately. You can't just pretend like you have is this secret information that you know about. Candace Owens is one of the biggest liars I've ever seen. She's been lying nonstop about this situation. But before we get to her, I want to address Nick Fuentes. First, I'm sorry, Nick Puentes. I believe the bullshit.

I owe you an apology form. I believe that you are some, one of these people that just automatically blame the Jews for whatever it was. And you're not. I actually watched one of his streams the first time. and he actually went through the evidence and it would have been easy for him easy for him to just go you know what i'm going to go all in on this israel did it as well because for these people for these grifters out there the low iq anti-semites as he called them which is a very appropriate term for them it's a team sport

it's a team sport for them it's not about what's true it's not about what's accurate for them it's about whatever can blame Israel, whatever they can do to blame the Jews, that's correct. Literally, I've got Jake, was it, Jake Shields, is that who it is? In my replies, literally saying that you're correct to always blame Israel. I'm just going, if that's your viewpoint, I've got to be honest. You are never allowed to have zero point energy technology. Never. Never in this world are you allowed to get that technology because you are not responsible

or intelligent enough to handle the responsibility of that type of weaponry. Now, now that I've apologized to Nick, I also want to let people know this. I haven't posted this and I haven't posted the proof, although I have it. Nick Fuentes has been liking my posts. He has been liking my posts calling out Ian Carroll, including the one saying that I'm going to cook the shit out of Ian Carroll, which was supposed to happen today. Right. So for the people out there that are holding out hope.

that Nick is going to change his mind. Let me tell you, he also liked the post where I said that Candace Owens is a left winger, pretending to be a right winger. And she is. Her and Ian Carroll. These people are literally just pretending

to be right wingers, pretending to cozy up to right wingers, and they're fracturing the party using this Israel bullshit. That's what they're doing. How do you think they're left wingers? They're the woke, I mean, the woke right is the same as the woke left, right? And so, for example, if I'll let me pull this up.

I've got some clips ready to go right here for you guys. Let's get into it. Let's take a look at what Candace Owens was saying just yesterday. Here's Candice Owens, if you want to pull this up, literally defending Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Kimmel of all people. of the Federal Communications Commission, Brendan Carr jumped up and he criticized Jimmy Kimmel's remarks. He threatened federal action against ABC affiliates who carried the show.

What? Federal action, if you carry the Jimmy Kimmel show, does that seem right to you? Okay. Again, if you're on the right and you cheered this on, do you understand? We never, ever, ever should be applauding federal action when it comes a speech. Okay. We're all losing. We are all losing. You have to wake up. That's what happened. Brendan Carr of the FCC was joining Benny Johnson. And that's what he said that he absolutely wants

to make sure that people are not carrying this show. That's good enough of the clip. So, first of all, nobody, the feds did not fire Jimmy Kimball. They are allowed to criticize. They are allowed to go on shows and say, hey, you, are literally violating FCC regulations. They are allowed to do that. And this is the, this is the craziest hypothesis. This is exactly what the left says. The left goes, we didn't fire you from your job. We didn't force that. We didn't because you didn't get a vaccination. Because you didn't get this COVID shot. We didn't fire your, your company did that. But you've told the companies that anybody who doesn't get the shot has to be fired. Right.

This is the same bullshit. So they, first of all, the amount of hypocrisy right here is insane. second of all the FCC didn't take no action at all jimmy kimball literally went on television and lied intentionally he said that this shooter he says maga's trying to make this shooter into anybody but one of them what this and by the way this is after the officials came out and said that this is a homosexual man uh living with a trans furry okay after they said no question that that he actually went away from his family who is actually right wing, wrote anti-fascist stuff on the bullets. So for Jimmy Kimmel to go up there and lie like that,

he should never be allowed to be on TV ever again, right? This shouldn't even be controversial. It's actually disgusting that did it. And the hypocrisy is that Jimmy Kimmel was literally out there bragging about how President Trump got disdust. deleted from Twitter. I mean, it's just so insane. I can't believe Candace Owens.

We're so far through the looking glass when Candice Owens is defending Jimmy Kimmel. Well, so here's the thing, Ash. And here's what I'll say about the Jimmy Kimmel thing from my perspective, right? So, and I understand, like Candace Owen sounds like she's defending Jimmy Kimmel. And actually on our podcast where we talked about Jimmy Kimmel being canceled, the thing I'm worried about, right, is if we look back in the past four years, Kamala Harris, Joe Biden era. to where everyone on the right was being censored, silenced. Literally the sitting president of the United States was banned on social media.

And what did the left do? They celebrated. They cheered it. And one thing I said on those podcasts, I said the left, like whoever's listening to our show, just understand like eventually this shit will happen to you. So like whereas you might be cheering it on now

is going to happen to you. This is not just a one-sided issue or deal. And so my thinking is I understand the FCC regulations. I understand all that. But why did no one do anything about all of the crazy shit that Jimmy Kimmel said in the past four years? And now all of a sudden Trump's in. And you have the FCC guy go on Benny Johnson, where he's saying, hey, yeah, we got to do something about this. And, you know, it wasn't hours later Jimmy Kimmel was canceled.

I think from my standpoint is, and I think this, I hope that you would build the same way with me, is that even with your MH370 stuff, right? If you had what you do, you have a platform, you have YouTube, you have all these other platforms, but say that Trump or the government or whoever came and said,

we don't like what Ash and saying, because maybe they- Let me cut you off. Let me cut you off. I get where you're going with this. Let me just cut you off. They already did it. They already did it.

I'm not going to listen to any bullshit about, oh, it's a slippery slope if we do it. They literally already censored us, guys. When people are going, hey, careful, because it'll come back to you. They already did it. I lost my job because I wrote a lawsuit against the mask mandate in California. I lost my job over that. Okay?

I don't want to hear any bullshit from anyone about slippery slopes. I'm somebody that suffered. Many people did. Tim Poole is actually leading the charge on this on social media. We have to stop with this suicidal empathy. and this virtue signaling, I see Seth Dillon of the Babylon B doing it, going, guys, we need more speech. The answer to this is more speech.

How delusional are these people? They're not living in reality. In reality, we have to shut down the media institutions that are radicalizing the left-wing domestic terrorist. That is the answer. And I will even tell you which ones. Reddit is the first one to go. Reddit needs to be seized by the feds and shut down.

Reddit is the worst hive of scum and villainy on the face of the earth. Literally. And you think about all these, yes. And you think about all these mass shootings, they all are on Reddit. This is where they go. Exactly. This shooter, I'm sure he was on Reddit. I'm sure he had a Reddit account.

No question, no doubt. If you go to Reddit, they are cheering for Charlie Kirk's death. everywhere. And if you speak out against it, you're instantly banned. So you don't come talking to about censorship. You literally can't say anything that's even vaguely right wing anywhere on Reddit or you're banned. Yeah. It's absolutely ridiculous. So the people that like Candace that are pushing this, like we should be against this. Guys, it's over. That ship sailed. You know when that ship sailed when you killed the guy that was trying to talk to you on college campuses? That was the guy that wanted to talk. So Ashton, what you're saying is, and by the way,

this is kind of similar to, you know, we did the podcast on Jimmy Kimmel, and I just kind of gave some of my thoughts, freedom of speech. I did too. Like absolute freedom of speech. But then as I watched Stephen Crowder, for example, I watched Stephen Crowder. I watched kind of what he said about. He was pissed off. Yeah, he was like, look, you know, we're done with like being, you know, just pushed over.

We're done with all this shit. You know, if you come to our events, you do this shit, we're going to meet you with violence if you are coming to, you know, put violence on us, right? And I think that's kind of the, what you're saying is, and to this degree is like, well, you know what, you fucked us and silenced us for years. And now all of a sudden we're not supposed to silence you when you say the most horrific shit, especially about someone that was assassinated in front of the world.

Right. On social media. And we all saw it right away. It's not that we're silenced. They can say the grossest stuff they want and people are losing their jobs for it. I'm not even that big of an advocate. It's when you're literally calling for violence. like literally radicalizing in terrorism.

And there is a lot of that on red that's going unpunished, even though it literally violates sitewide rules. One more thing I want to say is that my subreddit did get banned. When people say, oh, maybe they're going to ban you in M.A. Street, they did. My subreddit didn't last two weeks. Didn't last two weeks. And you want to know what? When they banned my subreddit, you know what reason they gave me?

None. Literally no reason. There wasn't even a rule violation. Just said your banned. And I put it in an appeal, no reason given. First, they didn't respond. Then I put another appeal in, and they didn't respond again. So, and the only reason why it's not happening right now on Twitter or X is because Elon Musk bought it.

That's the only reason. So this is what I'm going to tell the people that want to talk about free speech. Either you shut them down or the next time they come back, they're going to shut down everything again. There is no talking our way through the problem. There's no unifying with these people. You either shut down their radical domestic terrorism or you don't. And this is or we're going to all pay the price. And they want to kill us.

They want to kill us for our speech foretelling the truth. That's the real. Where is the fine line, though, between hate speech, violence, and free speech? Like where is the fine line? Because when you think about whoever's in administration at that time, they have different definitions, you know, just like we had different definitions of gang of function, for example. Like, where is the fine line where we cut it down and we don't? That's what we should be debating.

That's what people should be talking about. Where is the line? Can we agree to where the line is somewhere out there? Because right now, we don't have it at all. And I just got to be honest, from what I'm seeing from the way that the left is reacting to this, the way they're cheering or what have you, they're not seeing the line in the same spot we're seeing the line. For them, the line is if you're against the,

us, your band, right? So if you're that radical, I mean, there's nothing we can do to unify on that front. I don't know what to tell people. We're not in this Disney World movie reality where we're just going to talk this out. This was like this view that we had like in the 90s that I'll defend your, I don't agree with what you say, but I'll defend it to the death. You know, that's not how we live anymore. These people literally just want to shut us down and that's it. So harsh actions have to be taken. And if we want to solve the problem, or if we want to go ahead and have our suicidal empathy, then more people are going to die. That's what's going to happen.

Those are the choices. So just like with zero point energy, sometimes there's not good choices. This is the reason why they hide zero point energy from us is because there's not a good answer. Because if we do give this technology out, we're going to blow ourselves and we're going to destroy ourselves. Can we really trust any of these people that are this radical with this type of weaponry? No, we can't. So there's no good answer on that front. There's no good answer on this front either because we have let it fester too long.

The systematic brainwashing on places like Reddit, they've been banning people like this since, I'm going to say the Donald is when we had the turning point. Yeah. No pun intended was when the Donald got banned. That was the turning point when Reddit went full left wing nut job, basically. So from the free speech issue, that's my view. that's what has to happen.

I wholly agree with Tim Poole. And for a lot of people, it won't impact them until it happens to somebody in their family. Right. When somebody in their family is a victim, then they'll realize that radical action simply has to be taken. And we have to be careful. And that if we are good and honest people, then we will take appropriate action that stops the behaviors that are causing this without overreaching, overstepping. Yeah.

Sentry people that don't need it. But the last thing I'm going to say is that, like I said before, people with social media accounts, YouTube accounts had hundreds of thousands of followers, what have you, they all got banned for going against COVID lockdowns, for speaking out against COVID shots, for saying that the election was stolen, which is a harmless thing to say.

There was FBI going to people's houses because of things that they were saying on social media related to this. So don't come at me with free speech bullshit. We don't have free speech. We never have. It's a pipe dream. Yeah. I want to play this clip real quick.

And this was Ian Carroll on a podcast, which we'll talk about this as soon as we play this. But this was Ian Carroll on, I can't remember the guy's name, to be honest with you. I don't really give a shit of who this guy is. But he is on the big streamer. I can't remember you'll know who he is probably once we play it. But here is something that he said about the assassination. Listen, ever since it happened. And I just found it on Instagram.

I knew someone who'd take a Mouser and disassemble it and give us the time of how long it takes to disassemble this rifle. And this dude who like, clearly he is very experienced with this rifle. It takes them like multiple minutes to disassemble this rifle with multiple tools. And then it doesn't fit in the backpack, obviously.

It's like not going down your pants. It's like, where the fuck was this rifle? And why are you disassembling it on the roof allegedly, jumping down, running into the woods, reassembling it, changing your clothes,

leaving the rifle, which apparently you could sneak around, within your pants anyways and then you just leave it there and then you've left it there and you have to fucking sit in your car for a day and a half to try to like wait to retrieve it when it was like what are you fucking doing bro that is not a thing that people do that's not real um so i have some serious fucking questions about this rifle um yeah and and i just don't know if we're ever gonna get the answers probably not or it's gonna take you i mean look we still haven't got the answer about epstein so why would we get the answer or butler but but but but but

that's the thing is the Epstein files are right in the fucking heart of this. Like, you're telling me that there just happens to be this old Ashkenazi Jewish guy saying that he did it. Shoot me. Shoot me. I did it. Shoot me. Shoot me.

I did it. And he also was a fucking, he was on, like on the scene for 9-11. And he called in a bomb threat to not the Boston, but one of the other marathons. He's like clearly an agent. Like,

that's a spy. That's a spy. The reason why a dude that, the reason why a dude of any nationality would show up at a whole bunch of major world events like that is because they're a part of organizations that orchestrate world events called intelligence agencies. Like that's a fucking spy. I brought that up to Owen and I said, you know, Utah is 99.something percent white. There's barely any Jews there.

He didn't seem to be too happy. I mean, he doesn't like the anti-Semitic, you know, implications that have. But it's like, let's just look at the facts. How many Ashkenazi, it's just facts, how many Ashkenazi Jews are in Utah? also saying kill me, arrest me, distracting all of the law enforcement from there. He was also at 9-11. Is this guy just like, why would he- And now he has child porn on his phone, too.

Not beating any stereotypes. And he, he- Yes, there you go. That was Ian Carroll on Sneco. By the way, I want to point out who Sneko is, first of all, because I think it's important. Ian Carroll goes on Sneco's podcast or live stream. Sneco is a Muslim.

Sneco is definitely going for Mandami or whatever that dude's name is in New York City, right? So I think that the problem with this whole scenario is that we have completely forgotten about Americaverse. I think that's why I am so hardcore on people listening more to Nick Fuentes, especially when it comes to this situation with Israel. Because, I mean, literally, there are people in Nick Fuentes' own live stream now that are calling him a Jew plant. like someone that is planted by Israel is Nick Fuentes, like of all people, because he doesn't just all of a sudden go with this Israeli narrative of the assassination. Now,

the thing you have to understand is like, I think we're losing sight, though, of America first, which is huge. And I think there has to be some type of discourse or backlash on this, because if you looked today, if any of you watched the Charlie Kirk Memorial,

the celebration of his life, I've never seen a bigger movement and a turning point literally for Christianity in America than I've seen since Charlie Kirk's assassination. And so Ian Carroll goes on, Sneko, which is Muslim, you look at the UK, you look at what's going on over in the UK, where Tommy Robinson is leading that protest and kind of the uprising of the people in the UK against the UK government, which is arresting people on an every freaking day basis. is they're arresting 30 people a day in the UK for saying anything about the immigration and the people they are infiltrating into the UK.

If you fly a UK flag in the UK, you can be arrested. And it's because they are mass immigrating, especially Muslims, into the United Kingdom. And if you speak out against that, then you have hate speech. Well, you're a racist. But it's hate speech. And Pam Bondi herself, just the other day, said, Well, you know, we really got to start creating some laws about hate speech. This is the exact same shit that the UK did.

And because of that, now there are 30 people a day being arrested. So, Ashton, the only way I would disagree with someone what you say is like freedom of speech, as much as we can possibly get it, we have to have it. We can't have hate speech laws. And even for people like Ian Carroll and Candace O. He stood for freedom of speech. He wanted people that didn't agree with him to come out and talk to them so they could have discourse and you know sometimes they would come on his side sometimes they wouldn't but that's

the only way you're going to gain people yeah and and by the way the last thing i'll say is this memorial today there were multiple people including uh rfk you had erika k herself you had multiple people talking about freedom of speech is a core value of what charlie kirk believed in and so um when you see stuff like this although we absolutely i don't agree with ian carroll i don't agree with Candace Owens on this particular issue. I think they deserve freedom of speech. So let me jump in here. So we don't need new laws.

A lot of this is just gaslighting bullshit, right? We don't need new laws to fix the problem. We have laws on the books. Violence speech is already not protected. That's really all there is to it. So I'm not even listening to this stuff because it's just another way for people to try to, again, virtue signal.

What I think some of these people are afraid of is that they've been lying a lot. And so they're afraid of. But you know what? Lies are also protected speech. And I'm sitting here saying, I'm not asking for these people to be arrested. I'm just asking that polite society should shun them. Again, this is not a legal thing whatsoever. I want to address some of the fake arguments that Ian has been pushing.

There's a lot that these schizo-woke-right people have been pushing. And they are systematically getting destroyed one at a time. So starting with the old man, they were claiming that the old man is a part of the cover up. He's the guy that they paid to distract to get the gun to the professional hitman to get away. Right. Turns out, we find out, no, he's just a psychopath. He's done this before and he's also a paedophile and he's got, you know, child porn on his phone. Right. So, boom, there goes that theory. So that one shot down. Do these people ever apologize when their theories get destroyed? No. Let me do another one. The gun. They go, there's no way you could have

broken down the gun and got it. We can literally see in the video the dude's got the gun. gun in his hand when he's jumping off the roof. Now some people go, I don't see a gun. Well, it's kind of pixelated. So it's kind of up to interpretation. But even Nick Fuentes, I think I can see a gun in his hand. We found the gun in the woods. So again, guys, put two and two together.

It's not really that complicated. Maybe your assumptions are just wrong. Maybe the reason why you're reaching false conclusions is because the assumptions are wrong. You might be right. The government may not be releasing all accurate information. But that doesn't mean that, oh, Israel did it. This is the thing.

This is the brain rot. Is that they've started with a conclusion and they're working backwards. This is not the scientific method. This is not science at all. And that's why this is nothing like MH37, nothing like what I'm doing. I think people don't know who I am. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm not a UFO guy or an alien guy.

I'm a skeptic. I'm a guy that's based in quantum mechanics and electrical engineering. When you come at me and you go, wait, Ashton, I thought you believed in a conspiracy. That means you must believe in every conspiracy. No. And what you guys are doing is nothing, not even in the same ballpark is what I did with MH370. I came up with a story that made sense using all the evidence, all the official evidence.

Heck, my story is the only story that can explain some of the evidence. You are doing the exact opposite of that. The exact opposite. Dismissing all the evidence that proves you wrong and then making up fake evidence so that you can come up with a story so you can say, this doesn't make sense. Therefore, the Jews did it. That is 100% literally what they're doing. And until these people can admit that's what they're doing, there can be no productive discussions with them. There can be no productive discussion.

And I won't be debating Ian Carroll later. He backed out like a pussy. He is a pussy coward. And he knew he was going to get annihilated. And he ran away. Everybody out there that follows Ian Carroll and his garbage, you need to wake the hell up. You're being taken for a ride by this guy.

And I'd say that as somebody who liked him, who considered him a friend. And he needs to own up to it. The reason why these people also can never admit and they're wrong. They never do. Ian Carroll said, we were going to have boots on the ground in Iran like four months ago, said, watch for it. It's coming in two months. This guy doesn't know shit about geopolitics. He's an Uber driver. He's an Uber driver that became a TikToker. So these guys, their track record is absolutely terrible. They also said, oh, there's no bullet. They didn't,

the FBI doesn't have a bullet. That means Israel did it. And now we find out today. Charlie Kirk's executive producer comes out and says, I've gotten permission from the family. The surgeons pulled the bullet out of his neck, destroyed his neck. Erica Kirk in the speech today said that they told her she shouldn't even look at her husband because of the bullet, how badly the bullet destroyed him. Literally said that I was crying listening to that. Yeah, I was too. And these people are immediately, go look at the reply.

It's actually psychotic, the replies. Oh, this is all fake. He doesn't know. These people don't know what HIPAA means. I can't even spell it. Health information and portability and accountability act. They don't even know what it means. It has nothing to do with a third party releasing information.

It has to do with a doctor releasing your information without your request. These people are so stupid. It reminds me of the Redditors that we're trying to debunk MH370. What they do is they try to come up. They pretend like they're experts when they're not. And they try to come up with some reason for why something's fake. That's what they do. It's the exact same thing as the Redditors did.

And that's what these grifting people are doing with respect to the Charlie Kirk's situation. So the bullet, we now know where the bullet is. So all these holes that they were using to justify their tribal hatred, all is falling apart. Do you see them apologizing? No, they just move on in the next thing. The conspiracy just gets deeper and deeper. Now Charlie Kirk's producer is in on the conspiracy. Now the surgeon is in on the conspiracy.

And let me say, I got some more here. Well, I also said that Bill asked you. One more. Let me do one more. They also said Ben Shapiro was going to take over TPP USA. That this was a whole Israel plot. Ben Shapiro is going to take over TPSA. And boom, now it's Erica Kirk. And you know what they did after that came out.

I can't believe this. Let me pull this up. Oh, here it is. Let me pull this. So here you go. This is Joshua Reed. I think I've blocked Joshua Reed now. I'm blocking everybody pushing this garbage.

Ian Carroll pushing this idea that Erica Kirk is potentially, being silenced related to this. Erica Kirk received a call in the aftermath of the shooting from a very important person. Okay, that's fake, but there's more. Here you go. This is probably the absolute worst post I've seen by Ian Carroll. If you are a human... Sorry.

I'm going to read it. Ever consider that Erica can't speak? If anything happened to her, what would happen to her children? What Erica isn't saying is just as important as what she is saying. Who is she not condemning? What theories is she not condemning? Holy crap, dude. You should be canceled just for this tweet.

This is the sickest shit ever. I don't know. Maybe Erica Kirk is a little too busy trying to bury her husband to care about what some grifter piece of shit on the internet is saying. And this is just absolutely crazy. So this is why Ian,

this is why Ian backed out of the debate today. because I was going to show all these texts and just completely annihilate him tonight. That was what the plan was. And now it turned out. And by the way, Ashton, it does seem like Ian and Candace have both been backtracking since their original post and all the backlash they have got, right? I mean, I know you've been trying to. Let me show some more. Let's show some more Ian Carroll stuff.

So this is the worst part. These people, the people that are claiming that Israel did this, that chart, there's main story. is that Charlie Kirk, his stance on Israel's evolving, that might be true. That might be true that is position on Israel. That's not proof that they killed him or even really a motive that they killed. In fact, it's frankly ridiculous. He was an Israel supporter until the day he died. And I'm going to show you how disgusting and hypocritical these people are. I've got even more posts. This is Ian Carroll. Just a few days before Charlie, Kirk was assassinated.

Charles, he says, Jesus defeated death so you can live. Ian Carroll reply says, and you've dedicated your life to serving the people who killed him. So, okay, so if they have these clips where they're now claiming that, oh, his stance was changing, how come you didn't bring that up before he died? How come you were still attacking him, literally just days before, is it? Now you've decided that his stance. has changed. Well, yeah, okay, I see right through you, bro.

Yeah, I know, but the whole thing is coming from supposedly the Acman guy took him to his house and said, listen, we're going to give you all this money for Turning Point USA for you to keep on Israel's side. And we even want you to come visit. Maybe even called him and said, come visit and, you know, just take a picture at our, you know, where all of our people died. and he turned it down. This is what they're standing on.

So where is that coming from? We have to make something clear. Because I was looking for receipts. I don't see receipts on either side. I don't know what's going on with that. We have to make something clear though. Well, we have to make something clear because, you know, let's just talk about the logic of Israel potentially assassinating Charlie Kirk.

I mean, it's the stupidest shit I've ever heard in my life. Let's talk about this for a second. So if the logic is that Israel killed Charlie Kirk, right, you see this mass movement in America of pro-Christianity, which is you saw this today in the memorial for Charlie Kirk. You've seen this throughout. You saw this over the past two weeks. Churches have been filled up like they've never been filled up before. People who are buying Bibles like they've never bought Bibles before. So if Israel wanted to do this, let's just say, for example, that Israel decided that they wanted to take Charlie Kirk out because he was.

was going a little bit to maybe pro-Christian, anti-Israel. Maybe he was starting to rebuke some of the things that they wanted him to say or do or be a part of in Turning Point USA, which keep in mind, I'm not necessarily even debating that. I think that is possible. But Israel knows that if it came back that Israel did this ever in history, that they're done. And Israel heavily depends on the United States.

And this mass movement of Jesus Christ, by the way, is this is this is, this is, the Jesus Christ movement after Charlie Kirk. Everything Charlie Kirk did was for Jesus Christ. And literally Israel or the Jews, the Jewish people do not believe that Jesus Christ is a savior. Yet Charlie Kirk, in his entire livelihood, everything that he did and was based on and Erica and the entire movement of Turning Point USA was Jesus Christ. So it would be pretty dumb for Israel to do this, absolutely. But it also goes back to the, the, the standpoint for me, and it's something I've always said, it's like, why does the United States and Christianity support Israel so much, support Jews so much, because they are completely opposite.

Well, no, but they are completely opposite. It's in the Bible. Because you have on one side Christianity that says Jesus Christ is the Savior, Jews say Jesus Christ is not the Savior, and we don't believe that. But yet we're supposed to be the ones out there defending Israel at all costs. But I just wanted to make that point. But I don't think that it's Israel that killed him in this particular case. we be wrong, Ashton?

Here's the thing. So Cash Patel, I want to show you this tweet today. And Cash Patel said today, he says, which was pretty interesting. He says, as a director of the FBI, I am committed to insuring the investigation into Charlie Kirk's assassination is thorough and exhaustive, pursuing every lead to his conclusion. The full weight of America's law enforcement agencies are actively following the evidence. that has emerged, but our efforts extend beyond initial findings. We are examining every facet of the assassination.

We are meticulously investigating theories and questions, including the location from where the shot was taken, the possibility of accomplices, the text messages, confessions, and related conversations, discord chats, and the angle of the shot and bullet impact. How the weapon was transported, hand gestures observed as a potential signals near Charlie at the time of his assassination and visitors to the alleged shooters' residence in the hours and days leading up to September 10, 2025. Now, some details are known today while others are being pursued to ensure every possibility is considered.

Our primary focus is to complete the investigation and deliver justice. To protect the integrity of the investigation and subsequent prosecution, we cannot release every piece of information we have to the public right now, but we will ensure every question is addressed in the appropriate moment. Regarding the specific details, such as questions about the plane that allegedly turned off as transponder after departing from an airport near the assassination site, we can share updates when we have answers and where they are confirmed. After interviews with the pilot and consultation with FAA, we determined that a transponder was not turned off. Incomplete flight data in rural areas caused the apparent gap.

It says the entire morons, sorry, the entire FBI mourns the loss of Charlie Kirk. We will not arrest until justice is served and the investigation into assassination will continue until every question is answered. Now, in specific to this paragraph, I just, I want to talk about this for a second. Without getting too crazy in conspiracy, but where it talks about the question of the plane that allegedly turned off as transponder. So it sounds like the FBI is at the very least confirming that there was a, a jet, a private jet that left Provo, likely Provo, Utah, and at some point in time, I had turned off their ADSB. That was the accusation.

They have since said that the pilot and consulting with the FAA said that we determined the transponder was not turned off, but it was incomplete flight data. This is a problematic for me, just being in aviation for as long as I had been for, I don't know, 20 plus years. the only time that you get a ADSB, which is where and how they track aircraft, anytime that you get this from an aircraft to where all of a sudden the ADSB seems to not respond anymore or it goes offline,

you're talking about over far oceans or in extreme parts of Alaska. That is typically the only places you're going to see ADSB not be able to respond or contact. So there's a problem with this for me. especially with the actual circumstance of what they're saying as far as the FAA said, well, it was just, it was in a rural area. That just doesn't happen in the United States, in the lower 48. And so there are things like don't make sense.

Oh, yeah. There's weird stuff. Let me jump in. There's weird stuff going on, of course, right? And here's the thing. So first of all, they are addressing the claims that are happening, right? So another one of these claims is somehow this plane is kind of, first of all, there's nothing to connect the plane to anything that was going on.

this is the first problem, right? What does the plane have to do with any of this? Maybe if we didn't have a suspect, then maybe that could have made sense. But we caught the suspect in under, what, 33 hours, I think it was? And how we caught the suspect. The dad recognized his son in the video. Okay?

So, and they caught him, what, 250 miles away. So when we're doing this kooky stuff about, oh, there's a plane that went off right? This is like with MH370. When people are like, FAA thing with this plane like tell it there's like a little thing on the um the tracker where this plane like moves super fast does this this must be the orbs that there's that no there's not doesn't necessarily all come together people are trying to connect dots that don't connect together

so this is why you have to take all the evidence and come up with a story that makes sense I was going to press Ian Carroll today and say you give me the timeline who you think shot them where they went what they went and it's got to be consistent consistent with the fact that we've got the shooter in custody. His dad recognized him and his dad turned him in, or at least they caused him to turn in. He confessed to his father about it when confronted. We also have two more documented confessions, okay? One text messages with his furry lover and another one in the discord.

Okay. So now, in order for him to not be the guy, you need all of these things to be fake. this is the problem. People have painted themselves into a corner because now you need so many people to be in on the conspirators. You need the shooter to be in on it. You need his dad to be sentencing his own son to death.

You need Discord to be in on it. You also now need that the furry lover is also in on it. And you also have to come over the way where the FBI created these text messages and then released them. I'll tell you what, guys, that's not what they do when they're doing a cover-up. They don't go, hey, guys,

here's some text messages and we're going to release them to you. You know why they don't do that? Because now either party, the shooter or the transfer, if they were to come out and say those tax messages are fake, it's going to blow up the whole case. The whole case is going to blow up. Yeah, because you have to use your mind. What they do is they don't release anything.

If they were doing a cover up, they wouldn't release anything at all. That's what they did with MH370. Let me lay on my plane here is that people have been trying to compare this to MH370. Do you know what the government's official position is on MH370? Nothing. They never, U.S. government never said anything except for the fact that they looked at the pilot simulator and they said that there's nothing suspicious about it.

So when people are trying to compare this and say, why do you trust the government all of a sudden? What do you mean? They never said anything about MH370. That's the point. And I want to say this as well, MH370. I didn't get into the case of MH370 until nine years after it disappeared, a completely cold case where we had searched. Now, if it would have been a borant of me, if I was pushing that MH370 conspiracy like days after the plane disappeared. People would have been like, you're crazy.

We haven't even searched yet, but that's not the case. When I got involved in MH3C0, they had already searched for years and found nothing, found nothing in the official search. So there is absolutely no comparison whatsoever to be made between the MH370 situation and what the schizo conspiracy theory people are doing right now on this. All right. Well, so the only thing I would respond to that, Ashton,

is trying to play devil's advocate here because we don't have Ian to actually debate because the time stamps on the actual text messages. Yeah. Well, yeah. We'll get in the text messages a minute because that's very interesting as well. But the same way that you believe the government is hiding the MS-370 disappearance, right?

And or their cover-up, Do you also maybe see why other people automatically maybe jump to conclusions, whether it's Israel or government, CIA, whatever, to where no one really trusts the government anymore. You know, you look at Cash Patel and the Trump administration with Epstein thing to where just the other day, Cash Patel says, well, we know that Epstein, at least as far as the evidence that we have, did not traffic any children to anyone. And he said this in front of Congress. And the interesting thing about it was Thomas Massey came on and said,

I'm, oh, really, is that really what happened? Because we have all these witnesses that say these kids were traffic to these people, and he was literally reading off names. But yet we know the government's lying to us. We know the FBI directors lying to us. We know that for sure. And one thing I will say, we had Jason Hanson, CIA officer, former CIA officer. He used to go on.

Yeah, but he said it was open and shut case just like Ashton's saying. Yeah, but pretty much. Yeah, but listen. This is like one of the most open and shut cases, You don't have to believe the government to understand that this was a leftist lunatic that did this. Literally his dad is doing. His dad's not the government. Discord is not the government.

Guys, this is the problem. People are just conflating everything and saying that everything is equal and it's not how it works. This is the problem with you guys. And I have to be honest to my fans and fathers. This is why I had to purge you guys, is that you are telling me I'm losing credibility. I'm losing credibility with people that have no credibility themselves. this is only going to increase my credibility because I'm actually using logic and reason and you all are not.

And this is why I had to purge you all out because I realized from this that the people that are following me, the people that claim to support me that don't even really retweet any of my content or engage with my content ever, they are just completely off the deep end, full on everything's a conspiracy. There's always another layer. And I even have a term for it. I call it hitting on 19. guys you never hit on 19 and you brought this upon yourselves this is your fault and you need to own it

and i'm talking to the people out there that have been pushing this stuff because you pushed all these inconsistencies without waiting you should have waited for the full evidence to come out then you can start figuring out if there's inconsistencies in the official story but since you didn't do that you lost all credibility permanently damaging your cause so for the people out there that that are the, you know, the low IQ anti-Semites or whatever. I want you to understand that you permanently damage your cause from this. Permanently dead. There's nothing you can do about that now.

And the only, the best thing that you can do is that you can admit that you were wrong and you shouldn't have done it, apologize to Erica Kirk, who now her children are going to have to deal with this psychotic conspiracy for the rest of their lives, and you can admit that you're wrong. This is the thing that I was going to press E&O. These people can never, ever, ever admit that they're wrong. Because if they do that, the people that are the all-in people that are following them will turn against them. And they know it.

But that's what must happen. Otherwise, we cannot. This just gets worse and worse. This situation. People just constantly are hitting on 19. In fact, this is so bad. This is like hitting on 21. We've got the shooter in custody.

We've got all the evidence that we ever need. The guy is 100% going to be found guilty. He's going to be put to death unless Erica Kirk, whatever steps in. She said she forgive him and she's not seeking the death penalty. So you guys did this as shelf by painting yourself into a corner. by going all in on this. And let's please share a couple more text messages here. If you pull up my thing, I'll try to go through these pretty quick.

So if you can pull this up. So right here, this is again, Ian Carroll, this is today. This is today Ian Carroll hasn't stopped yet. He's now sharing Harrison Smith. This is also a fake story. And these guys are all just sharing fake stories that each of them are posting. And they're presenting it as facts. They're presenting it as definitive.

Right? And it's not. I mean, Ian Carroll has not backed down from this. Look at this right. He even underlines it right there. He thinks Israel killed them, blah, blah, blah. Let's go to some more. Here's Candice Owens.

Candice Owens was backtracking saying, I never said that Israel did it. Sorry, guys, you murdered my friend. Who is she talking about? Who does she think murdered her friend? By the way, he's not really her friend. She lied about that too. She didn't even show up to the memorial. And I almost guarantee they told her not to because she's been pushing this

schizo stuff. And so if you see here and you read the context, she's talking about Israel, Netanyahu, it's pretty clear what she's insinuating. She's insinuating Israel did it. But then she wants to back and say, no, I never said Israel did it. Shut the fuck up, Candace. Here's Ian Carroll again. Ian Carroll goes, this was like the 13th, September 11th, September 13th.

There it is, right? So I've been pushing this guy for over a week. Did a whole stream. My current stance is not that Israel did it. Okay, well, what does this tweet say? Yesterday was a turning point for, this is less than 24 hours after Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Yesterday was a turning point for Israel-U.S. relations. Less than 24 hours in the Internet already figured out who the most likely culprit was.

He was their friend. He basically dedicated his life to them and they murdered him in front of their family. Israel just shot themselves. This is one of the most abhorrent tweets I've ever seen. This tweet alone should cancel Ian Carroll for life. Joe Rogan should issue a public apology for why he ever platformed this disgusting piece of shit drifter.

And before you get mad at me, there's more. Here's him questioning the magic bullet. After it turned out the bullet does exist, here's him questioning the executive producer of TPSA of Charlie Kirk, who literally wrote a speech today, literally spoke today just a few hours ago, trying to keep the conspiracy alive.

absolutely why. I can't just admit he's wrong. And then, okay, that one, so that's about it. So let me answer to this. So this is the thing. These guys have no way that they should be able to backtrack.

Now, actually, there's one more video that I want to share here because this was Ian Carroll just on Friday, just on Friday that he shared this video. And I think we should watch this together. I think you'll enjoy it, or at least a little bit of it, okay? So I'll pull this up.

So this is, Ian Carroll's getting all this backlash and he deserves it from his stupid tweets and posts where he clearly, clearly has already decided that Israel did it before any evidence had come out. Let's see what he says. One of the largest political people in America assassinated on live TV, your first thought should be, was this a professional assassination? What? My first thought should be it's a professional assassination?

No, my first thought must be another. they're trans person. And it's not necessarily. There are definitely crazy cooks that take shots at people. Usually the crazy cooks seem to get an arsenal of guns and go into a school and go on a suicide mission, essentially, and, you know, murder a bunch of people and then take their own life. That's what usually seems to happen. Not usually are they planning out a carefully orchestrated hit that involves them getting away

clean and then giving a whole text message admission of guilt on regular old texts like right and so and he doesn't even address the text the text exists he just wants to dismiss that keep going keep going we have more than enough evidence to be asking the question was there are intelligence agencies involved in this. There's literally no evidence that points to intelligence agencies being involved in this. Literally none. Way more than enough evidence to ask that question legitimately. And when you start asking that question legitimately, that's how you get to the Israel conversation. Now, this is exactly how Ian has gone completely off the rails, right? And the Israel conversation is not one, no one is claiming at this point that anyone knows for sure that it was Israel.

Literally Ian Carroll said right away, I showed you guys the text just now, less than 24 hours later, he was saying that it was Israel. And now, I mean, this is just straight up gasoline. This is what the left does, right? They gaslight you, they lie. They do inversion of reality. We've seen the text messages, buddy. You're canceled.

Let's keep going. Okay. Canis Owens, Tucker Carlson, Dave Smith, all the right-wing commentators that are involved, in this conversation that were involved in Charlie's life and the scandal around the Israel stuff, none of them have at all made the claim that Israel was involved in this in any way. I have made that claim because I'm not involved. This is not my case to solve. Okay, there he goes.

It's not his case to solve. Exactly, Ian. Shut the fuck up. Holy shit. How is he going to do this trash? This is actually worse than what Jimmy Kimmel did, if I have to be honest. Because he's right. He should have nothing to do with this and he shouldn't even be bringing it up.

But he's perpetuating this conspiracy. He's pretending like he's not when he is. I was not involved. I didn't know Charlie. I was not involved in Turning Point. I'm staying out of it. I am a dude on the scene. He's not staying out of it.

There's no, not only is he not staying out of it. He's still literally retweeting this shit right now today. while he should be here in a debate facing me destroying him. I cannot tell you, you cannot have a lower opinion of this guy. And for all the psychos in the chat right now, who are freaking out because their heroes are complete fraud, take a good look.

This is the guy destroying your movement. Sidelines looking in, I've purposely not asked Candace for any inside information. I've not tried to dig in to like get fucking a bunch of sources and stuff. Because I don't want to get in, I don't want to get in there. This is not my thing. What do you mean you don't want to get in there?

Okay, that's enough. I've had enough of Ian Carroll's disgusting mustache and face. He goes, I'm not trying to get in there. Dude, you're not, literally, I looked at his post and his Twitter. It's wall-to-wall schizo Israel stuff. Literally wall-to-wall, that's it. Except for the one tweet that I showed you where he's weirdly supporting LGBT. Bro, how about we send you to Gaza?

And we'll see how much LGBT support there is in Gaza, bro. And so this is just totally crazy. The amount of gasoline, and by the way, for the next six minutes in that video, he literally plays all the clips that everybody's been sharing, claiming that Charlie Kirk has had this change of heart on his to, again, support the theory, the insinuation. So not only he goes and says, I don't want to be involved. And then he just goes and then does the same thing again.

The guy either has no self-awareness or I don't know what's going on with him. But let's talk about these claims for a minute. What are these claims? And how valid are they? Well, let me play a clip. And so a lot of this has come from this clip on Megan Kelly. We'll play this right now because you had mentioned it just a minute ago, Ashton. We'll play this clip of what Charlie Kirk actually said with Megan Kelly.

Listen, let me start this over. The behavior. There we go. Here we go. By a lot, both privately and publicly, are publicly, are pushing people like you and me away. Not like we're going to be pro Hamas, not like we're going to, but we're like, honestly, the way you are treating me is so repulsive. I have text messages, Megan, calling me an anti-Semite. I am learning biblical Hebrew and writing a book on the Shabbat.

I honor the Shabbat, literally the Jewish Sabbath. I visit Israel and fight for it. And there's another article out in the Times of Israel today. I could read it on air. I was just reading before I got on. Charlie, what are you doing? Like, why are you? What am I? doing? I'm sorry. Like, let's just take a step back here. Like, I'm an American citizen. Yes, I want Israel to win. Yes, I'm a Christian. But like the sum of the mess. And you saw, man, you've seen how I've been treated, Megan, by some, not all, by some. No, it's very irritating. It's, it's almost unfair. They were coming after you, after a turning point for among other things. You had Dave Smith there. Dave Smith is it allowed to criticize Israel. You're both sides.

The Israeli side was only represented. No, you're not allowed to. It's even worse than that. Again, I just want to repeat for the fifth time, I love Israel. I want Israel to win. But my moral character is now being put into question, Megan. Not my decisions, not like, hey, are you doing this? Is it smart or is it dumb?

But no, I am a bad person if I do this. And it's a, I could go. I mean, you saw it, Megan, it was trending on Twitter, thousands of tweets and text messages. And if I were to be charitable and generous. I will say, the people that are attacking me are in a hyper paranoid state because they're at war and war tends to make things black and white and you're a hammer looking for a nail. So I'm trying to be charitable, Megan. Literally, I'm trying to cut as much

slack as I can, right? Like, okay, what would it be like if all of a sudden I'm starting to see a pattern of behavior similar to what my grandparents saw in 1930s Germany online, how would I behave? So that's like my charitable kind of over compensation spirit. At the same time, I'm like, but it's not defensible to be dumb, right? Yeah. And it's offensive. It's offensive to those of us who have been out there defending them in many instances against critics on our own side.

And now you have a couple of kinds of like, well, what about this? Well, has it gone on too long? Like, is it time to wrap it up? And the thing about Epstein is just so bizarre. I don't know who he was an agent for. it might have been Israel or an asset, or it might have been nobody, but we're allowed to speculate about that. It's like there's some rule you can't go there when it comes to Israel.

Well, you and I believe that we're Americans and Americans first, period. End of story. We are citizens of this nation, okay? And Israel, we have funded, we have supported, and they're up against a sea of Islamic totalitarianism, and we should be cheering for them, right? Because they're up against barbarians and monsters. and we want them to win.

However, here is Megan Kelly and Charlie Kirk combined probably 30 million social media followers, like pretty, right? And you and I have been holding this down. And you probably get the negative, oh, you're just shilling for Israel or whatever. I'm like, okay, I'm going to do what's right regardless of the feedback, right? But then all of a sudden, like, I host a person that I moderate the debate of, mind you, right? And I give equal time to Josh Hammer, equal time. to a pro-Israel advocate, and my moral character is being put into question.

And so I just, I think it's a hyper paranoid, like we're just going to try to, we're going to just stamp out everything type of practice. But it goes to the point where, if, for example, if I have less ability sometimes online to criticize the Israeli government. Guys, I'm willing to listen to clips. I don't want to listen to a four-minute clip that literally is nothing in there. This is the insane shit that people are doing. What am I supposed to take from that?

He's mildly critical of Israel because Jews are sensitive. Yeah, I know Jews too. They are sensitive. In fact, I think it's appropriate to be critical of that. It certainly does not mean they killed him. In fact, it's insane to take that clip and use that as evidence that Israel killed him. Literally insane. Yeah.

Which, by the way, what people are like, listen to this, you need psychological help. That is really mundane. Let me play a clip for you. you. This was only a few weeks ago. This is, this is Charlie Kirk directly speaking to you, the obsessed Jew people. Get ready for it. This is, this is, this is, this is, this is, of the internet of people that want to point and blame the Jews for all their problems. Everybody, this is demonic and some of the pit of hell. And it should not be tolerated. When you go to the, the problem of an entire generation that

has economic resent, they don't own anything. They're not getting married. They're not having children. They're depressed. They're anxious. They're staring at their screens all day long. And if all of a sudden your extrapolation of all that is, well, it's the juice fault. That is sloppy and shallow thinking.

And not only that, they say, oh, it's the juice fault. Okay, let's kind of play this out. Well, tuberculosis. That used to kill about a billion people, you know, into the group of Jewish scientists that came up in the antibiotic that cured tuberculosis. That's all we need. You can go back. So straight off the bat, he says, you people that are making everything about the Jews, which is 100% what these people are doing, you are demonic.

Demonic. Listen carefully. That other clip you were playing that was just some weird mundane clip, I can't, that's the actual evidence. It's just ridiculous how these people are twisting it to try to do. These are the same people saying that they're not blaming Israel. I'm trying to twist Charlie Kirk's pretty, mundane words or the other thing they'll say is oh well netting yahoo came out and he uh blamed is

Islam no he didn't i listened to the clip no he didn't yet njahou was equating the left who did kill charlie kirk the trans homosexual free whatever lover guy he was equating them to the Islamists who are violent who literally strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up now i'm not saying there's a right or wrong in the holy war truthfully i don't you if you guys want to destroy yourself, fine. I think if you are so low IQ that some weird Holy War fight over land is, you know, your major concern in this world, then honestly you're just not,

you're not intelligent enough to have like advanced technology that, you know, the government. And I just want to ask you guys, what does Israel have to gain from an assassination to Charlie Kirk? Well, they don't. Because there is no pain for Israel in this whole thing. If they were going to, if they were trying to silence political people, they're not going to go after Charlie Kirk first. They're going to go after Ian Carroll or Nick Fuentes or Candice Owens or the other people who were actually not just being critical, but making documentaries, putting all those propaganda out there.

I mean, one mundane post about it. And here, by the way, and for the people that went all in on those and they went all in on the $150 million bribe and the secret messages that Candace Owens doesn't actually have, she's a complete liar. well, Charlie Kirk's wife is about to address those on a podcast this week. So you're going to go ahead and say there's a really good chance that those narratives are about to be annihilated. And these people are trying to say, Candace Owens is trying to say that he's my best friend. He was my best friend, which he's not. He was not his best friend. So I know his state of mind.

That's what they're trying to say. Nobody knows Charlie Kirk's state of mind better than his wife. So I don't want to hear anything. Ian Carroll, these other people are already trying to set up that his wife is already in on this. Don't you even try it. Don't even try it. I'm going to come down on you so hard if you do. I want to talk about something real quick because, I mean, we have to at least make this

a known statement on this show, on this podcast, is that although I do not think that Israel killed Charlie Kirk, the criticisms of Israel are valid, in my opinion. I mean that, if you don't mind. Yes. I believe that there is probably a genocide happening in Palestine. Absolutely. I don't believe that the Mossad is good. Just like I don't believe the CIA is good. I believe that the CIA and the Mossad are like this. I'm the one who actually, one of the only people that reported on the fact that the Mossad assassinated nine nuclear scientists a few months back. You can find my Twitter post about it. I mean, it's pretty scary because why am I talking about that? Because zero point energy is connected to nuclear physics 100%. So why are they taking those people out? Because they know that these type of people that are deranged, that will literally use a weapon like that and possibly eradicate all of us, including themselves, can never be allowed to have this technology.

And they're right. They're right. It's hard for you guys to hear that, but it is. Now, I'm not saying that we're going to have to let Israel win or Palestine win. I don't really care. I just care that we can't wipe ourselves off the face of the earth. Yeah. So Ashton, too, I mean, with people like Ian Carroll and Candace Owens,

which are immediately Israel, everything's Israel, no matter what, But like if you get an ingrownel, Israel probably did it, right? And they're going to make sure they know that. But I promise you. And they've been that way a while. But I promise you there are people on the other side that are 100% Israel does nothing wrong. And I've seen these people on social media. By the way, one of these people actually retweeted one of your post earlier, misfit Patriot.

And I saw he had retweeted. Yeah, I saw that he had posted this. And I've actually a couple of times went back and forth. because no matter what, Misfit Patriot, if you want to see, and by the way, for anyone does know, there are paid assets on both sides.

You know, when leading up to the election of Kamala Harris versus Trump, and you would have these posts that Kamala Harris would post, and you would look at these, you would look at the tweets, just scroll through them.

They were all pretty much identical. You could see probably 100 posts that were almost damn near identical. These are bot farms. These are bot farms that are propping up these posts, making the narrative, creating the narrative. And then on top of that, you also had people like the Crasentine brothers. You had people like Harry Sisson. You had all these assholes on that side saying, oh, Kamala Harris is the best thing ever.

Oh, Biden is not senile whatsoever. He is the greatest president we've ever had in our entire life. And these are the people that prop this shit up. And so then you also see people with the Israel narrative. They'll do the exact same thing. and these are not just boss. These are actually assets to whatever that faction of the narrative is. But here's the question, Ashton.

I know for sure there are people that are pro-Israel out there that are being funded, probably either by A-PAC or some type of faction, to where they want to make sure that the conversation stays alive about Israel. And then think about this, Charlie Kirk being dead. Now he was assassinated by a left- But do you think they would have funded this? No, but no, I'm not saying funding. I'm saying-

I'm not even saying Israel had anything to do with this. All I'm saying is, is that you have these people that are funded on the left that supports and props up Israel. And then you look at when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, this pro-Christian, pro-Jesus movement has just, I mean, it's the biggest thing I've ever seen in America. But you know you have it on both sides.

The question is like, if Ian and Candace are pushing this shit so hard, who would be funding them if we know that if- Exactly. Who is funding them? I don't think it's funny, guys. A lot of people think that, and they might be, it might be getting indirectly funded, but unlikely, honestly. I think that this just, we're in the middle of a holy war. It's a holy war, guys.

There's a huge amount of propaganda on both sides. I don't think one side is better than the other, frankly. Like, that's just the reality of the situation. And yes. And I talk to people on both sides. I'm following Nick Fuentes. I just followed the Misfit Patriot guy. It's not because I agree with this stuff.

I've seen his, you know, kind of like pretty far. out there and obviously propaganda takes, they're in the middle of a propaganda war. That doesn't give you permission to use Charlie Kirk's death. That's why I'm doing this. The first question I was going to ask you is why do you think I'm doing this?

It's not because I'm a Zionist shill or I, you know, not because I'm Jewish. It's because you're literally pulling Charlie Kirk's death into the middle of your propaganda holy war. That's the reason why I'm coming down on these people. And if the other side did it, I would be going just as hard on them as well.

It just turns out in this case, they didn't. So what is the Holy War ration? That's not my wheelhouse. I'm not going to get into that whatsoever. But what I do want to get into is, last thing I'll say is this, in terms of the evidence, in terms of the conspiracy, here's the thing. You need to be able to ask yourself, and this is what I would have asked you in. What is it going to take for you to admit that you're wrong?

That is the question. If you can't answer that question, then you have the blind. on. You are too biased in that case. People ask me that question. What would it take, Ashton, for you to admit that the MH370 videos are fake? And I do have an answer. Find the plane or find the hoaxer of the videos. These are things that would absolutely prove the videos are fake. If you find the plane in the South Indian Ocean, then obviously it didn't get zapped to Diego Garcia or whatever. If you find the hoaxer of the videos, then obviously they're fake videos. But there isn't a hoax earth. There isn't a plane.

This also, if you don't have some boundary to say, this is where the boundary is of proof, then your story doesn't make any sense. And I was going to ask you, what is your story? And I know his answer is, I don't know. This is what they say every time. I say, okay, if you think

all this stuff's fake, if you think that Israel did, what is the story? Give me the timeline. Give me the evidence. Throw it out there. You notice in that video that he showed, he said, there's plenty of evidence to blame Israel, but he doesn't list any of it. And then he just shows that video, the clips that are just like, what is that video clip of Charlie Kirk talking to Megan Kelly? It's like, oh, he was just slightly critical of how Jewish people are super defensive

of the people that attack them and anti-semit. I do think they're overly sensitive. Absolutely. And I'm happy to talk to somebody like Nick Fuentes. Yeah. And I've been thinking about like what would be the pros of Israel assassinating Charlie Cook? What are the pros?

Is there any pros for them doing that? No. I don't think so. Listen, but let's talk about this for a second. So for Ian and Candace's stance on this is that, you know, he was getting a little more anti-Israel more than pro-Israel. I don't believe necessarily as a case, like you said, Ashton, and I do agree, you know, if you want one of the most staunch reporters or supporters of Israel, you have Charlie Kirk.

But also at the same time, you have Charlie Kirk, which was the biggest movement, turning point USA, and it probably is going to be even bigger. now. I mean, after Charlie Kirk's death, you're not going to have Charlie Kirk again. Oh, but Erica is going to be the CIO or C. Sorry, CIO is like CIO. CEO. CEO. CEO. Yeah. Yeah. But that doesn't matter. Charlie Kirk is gone. You're not going to have another Charlie Kirk. It doesn't matter what it is. And this is not going to help Israel. This is not going to help their stance in any way, shape, or form. But the reality of this is, is that, you know, you have all of these things. And whatever Erica Kirk says Wednesday, on the show.

Will she actually kind of talk about the Israel and the conspiracies and people like Candace and Ian? We have not talked a lot about, by the way, yet, Candice. We've talked a lot about Ian, but let's briefly talk about Candace

because Ashton, you've went on Candice Owen's podcast. Candice brought you on. She wanted to talk about MH370 because what I will say, and I think this is why a lot of people like Candice or, you know, she, she's not scared to talk about the things that is kind of taboo.

And so with the MH-Stre-70 thing, she brought you on. She said, hey, let's bring Ashton, very smart guy. She wanted you to present your case for MH-3-70. And I literally saw a tweet or post or X or whatever the hell you want to call it the other day. And they said, for Ashton to go so hardcore against Candace, knowing that Candice supported him with the MS-3-70 thing, he must be he must have got contacted. Or bot or something. Yeah.

So that's been a big narrative. But what exactly, like what was the big thing that Candace said? Was she 100% kind of blaming Israel? What was some of the arguments that she had with Israel and Charlie Kirk's assassination? Well, I mean, I showed you the tweets. So, you know, I saw those tweets a second ago where she was claiming they killed him. They killed my friend, all this stuff. And then she was saying that she has some messages.

and stuff, but she can't show them or she won't show them. And initially we're going to put them behind paywall, never showed them at all. Nick called her out on that so that she needs to release those messages 100%. They just don't exist, right? Like, in my opinion, she's just a pathological liar. And let me play this clip here because when she's claiming to be Charlie's friend, she released a message from like May. That was probably the last message she had from Charlie Kirk.

If somebody's your friend, you haven't talked to them in, what, five months or something like that? That's just an acquaintance. That's not your best friend, not even close to your best friend. And I didn't seem that incredible. The conversation was like three messages back and forth. Like my buddy Dave Rossi just did an interview with Eric W. Davis, who was one of these UFO whistleblowers. I talked to him like almost every other day.

So if that was somebody like, I should be able to show messages. You know, so she claimed to have these receipts, doesn't have them. People are calling her out. I'm calling her out in her reply. She's not addressing it. She's not addressing any of these major questions that are being asked about her supposed evidence that she has. She convinced Dave Smith and Tucker Carlson the day after or two days after to come on and try to help build up this narrative that Israel was turning on Charlie Kirk.

Dave Smith released some text messages and they were totally mundane as well. And Dave Smith, I could tell, was super uncomfortable. He did a podcast the day before where he was like, he says, I think he mentions Ian Carroll and he's like, dude, what's the evidence for why Israel's involved in this and he was super awkward because he didn't want to be attacking his friends and this shows zero integrity Dave Smith should get dragged over the coals for this because then the next day he goes on Candace Owens and starts promoting her schizo conspiracy theory right it's like dude you have no integrity if that's what you do so just because Candice Owens had me on that doesn't mean I owe or anything she's the one making money off me in the story and so you know you may say

oh, well, she gave you exposure, great. I don't want that kind of exposure. If this is where she's going to take it. If she had done this now, I wouldn't go on her show anymore. Back then, she was just like you guys said, I thought she was exposing stuff. We had great conversation. Expect when I went in there.

There was nothing had been set. There was no ground rules for how the conversation was going to go. I went into the Lions Den thinking that I'm going to be able to, you know, whatever. She might attack me. She might try to debunk it. I didn't know. And she was respectful. Now, I'll give you my true opinion on it.

I don't think she could really stay on the same level of the discussion that was having. She had some good insights for sure related to playing, but the science and stuff was, you know, overhead, which is fine. I'm not judging her for that. So ultimately, though, I don't owe these people anything. For me, you know, just because someone platform me, great. That doesn't mean I owe you for the rest of my life. It doesn't mean I can't speak out against you when you're just lying on the internet.

Let me listen. Let's listen to this together because people are calling her out saying, are you going to even show up to the memorial, you're claiming to be friends with Charlie Kirk. Yeah, I saw that. So clearly you're going to go to everybody's at the moment. So who's who of every single, you know, podcaster is there. Elon Musk is sitting next to Trump today. You got Benny Johnson speaking, Jack Poso, you've got Tucker Carlson even speaking,

which it was kind of questionable whether or not he would be there because I was surprised. I'm with Candace Owens that started spreading these rumors, right? Yeah. Which we all think are probably going to be getting dispelled. So here's her response. And this is how you can tell that she's trying to set this narrative. She's trying to get ahead of the narrative because people are questioning it.

They're questioning the receipts. The receipts never materialized. Now she's claiming to be best friends with Charlie Kirk. Now let's listen to Candace Owens. I said there is no way we are going to this event now. There's a 0% chance. First and foremost, why are you saying anybody can go to it? You just buy a ticket to the event.

And you're all working to try to get me to confirm that I'm going. And you're doing this as if you're trying to like push my buttons and be like, we got to make her get into her ego so she like shows up and like posted on social media. Nope, actually. You know, while I'm attacking the feds, maybe not going to a public event, which the feds are organizing is probably a very good idea. I'm good. You know what I do?

I'm going to listen to power on my headphones and go see. How's that for a memorial for Charlie Kirk? That feels like the right thing for me to do right now. I said there is no way. Okay. You're going to this event. So, wait, why is that? So there she is.

Setting up the narrative because she knows she's about to get destroyed because I'm going to go ahead and say it. I think they told her not to come. I think they told her you're not welcome. Don't show up. And everybody's asking her, are you going to show up? You're saying that you're his best friend. You're her best friend. And so now she's setting up this bullshit narrative.

Oh, I'm scared. The feds are going to be there. What are you talking about, Candace? It's the most secure events on the face of the earth. They got military protection. What is going to arrest you? What have you done that the feds are you? would arrest you for it's obviously bullshit she's going to go listen to conier west i mean that's just a

weird response so let's be honest people need to have integrity call her out just because you like her you're her friend whatever that does not make it okay to be silent about this she's lying and she's dragging charlie corpse's body around to make money off of it to grift off of it to do ad reads off of it to tell people, I'm going to release the receipts and then she never does. And then she brags about how many people are watching, including going, oh, there's 250,000 people watching. This is amazing. You can tell that she sees dollar signs in her eyes, right?

And so this is where I say, like, honestly, at this point with Candace, I hope the Macron's just wipe her out. The lawsuit, the trans thing, I read that lawsuit, not all of it, but significant, it's like 200 pages and they have tons of receipts. They've got photos of Bridgett McCone. they've got newspaper clippings when she was born when she got married her children all this stuff candis is going to get annihilated by them unless she can find out on a technicality and to be honest it might be what needs to happen because obviously she's delusional i mean look at that

i think that but you know she did do a podcast and she used bb for example and when he came on fox news and said you know we really supported charlie kirk we loved him blah blah blah he was a great He was a great friend of Israel. Yeah. And she read a portion of the, or showed a portion of where he was reading the letter. She said she wanted receipts of the whole letter. Why do you think that is? Yeah, because apparently this letter from Charlie Kirk said a lot more than what BB.

She said she had it, right? Isn't that the receipts that she said she had? And where is it? She's like, oh, she said something about if they keep attacking me, I'm going to release it. And that was when Nick was like, yo, release the letter. You can't just hide this whole disover. if you've got some secret evidence. And she doesn't, right?

She doesn't. So the reality is if she had it, she would have released it. Because she's been getting annihilated on social media. I mean, in the last two days, there was a huge campaign of people just straight up blocking her, including myself, because I'm done with her. When I saw that clip, that's when I'm done with her gaslighting. Like, you got to be kidding me. You're trying to pretend like you're not going because you're scared.

That's not why you're not going. You're not going because you're not wanted there. Yeah. And so I expect that Charlie Kirk's wife is going to come out pretty hard, over these accusations. And if you watch the clip from the podcast, there's like a, the podcaster released a kind of intro

about the interview that's going to be coming out. They say they are going to address all these claims, including the $150 million bribe. So presumably the letter. So hopefully we'll find out the truth. And anybody that tries to cast doubt or attack them and say that they're owned or whatever, let me give you some advice.

Don't do that. Don't do that. You've already done enough damage to your own movement. at this point, just call this, just take the L. Just take the L boys. Take the L on this one. You lost badly. You tried to turn this into an Israel thing.

It backfired like the watermelon girl. Boom, blow it up on your face. And it's only going to get worse if you keep pushing it. I'm not saying that you can't hate Israel. I'm not saying that you can't believe in conspiracy theories. Conspiracies clearly do happen. I'm just saying it was a miss on this one. it was a miss on this one.

You shouldn't have gone after Charlie Kirk. And what they did was they underestimated how much people love Charlie Kirk. They underestimated how much of an impact Charlie Kirk was going to have on the right. The last thing I want to say about this is this, to expose both Ian Carroll and Candace Owens, anybody who disagrees with anything I've said, go ahead and look at their Twitter feeds. Show me where you see either of them giving condolences or memorializing or memorializing or talking about Charlie Kirk at all. Show me anywhere where they're saying,

rest in peace, Charlie Kirk, or wow, Charlie Kirk is going to help change everything. They're not. They have no sympathy whatsoever for the fact that Charlie Kirk died. You go look at my feed everywhere. You're going to see me talking about, you know, we're going to fight back because of this. We're going to take out the woke left because of this. Quoting things from Charlie Kirk, retweeting some of his old content, including a cool video that he had where he supposedly saw some UFOs while he was flying around

in a plane. They're not doing anything to remember Charlie Kirk. All they're doing is they're hurting his legacy. This exposes them for exactly what they are. Everywhere else across Twitter, you see people memorializing him. And so this is where this is the biggest reveal of all. If you want to speculate on what's going on, here's speculation for you. Here's a conspiracy theory for you. If you want, if my, the people out there thinks everything's a conspiracy, here's a real conspiracy. These people are out here to divide the right. They want to take some of the people on the right and try to convince them that it was Israel. So we stop blaming the left. The people that are actually responsible for Charlie Curtis. Interesting. And or here's the other side of that,

Ashton. What if? Oh, God. What if someone implanted information into these people? I knew you're going to go that way. Listen, hold on. This is the reverse of the reverse of the reverse psychology. But listen, what if, what if, though, some quote unquote, credible sources implanted the information into them to where it made them look crazy for even saying this shit so soon to where it kind of excused Israel's other discretions? Yeah. I mean, maybe. You know, I think that there could be a distraction. I mean, basically you're saying, could it be a distraction? Sure.

I mean, to me, that makes more sense than Israel being involved in, you know, his establishment. It's distracting us from everything. It's distracting us from Epstein's shirt. I believe that before I'll believe that Israel assassinated, paid a 22-year-old, you know, homosexual dating, transferring, right? Like, it's just, it's sorry, it's just beyond what I'm willing to, you know, believe in. And I'm pretty open-minded guy. So, yes, to me, it's more of like, are we being distracted by this stuff?

Why are they pushing it so hard? Why do they keep pushing it even though their whole story is falling apart? Why can't they let that go? And there's another thing I'll say for the people out there that are really upset with me. And there's a lot that are really, really upset. No way. Why do you hear so much about making this a conspiracy? Think about it.

This is what I was telling people. I've been blocking a lot of people. If you are somebody that is obsessed with this, why? Why are you so obsessed with making this about an Israel conspiracy? Why are you obsessed with making this to a conspiracy at all? Well, I think it's people that go against government and don't trust the government. those are the people that are looking for the conspiracies because they don't believe in our own government.

No. Period. But just be so what? What does that have to do with Charlie Kirk? Just because you don't believe in the government, you have to make up a conspiracy about Charlie Kirk. He's beloved. We're trying to literally put him his body in the ground.

So this is the thing. Can you realize that people are sensitive about this and just let it go? And the answer is no, they can't. And the reason why they can't let it go is because they're obsessed with making it about Israel. It's not about Charlie Kirk. It's not about the truth. The people that if they were actually after the truth, they would have the grace to not talk about it and let people grieve until after he's in the ground. Right. Yeah. That's what they would have if it was about the truth. So that's the reality of the situation. So what I would tell people out there, and if people continue

attack me, I'm going to continue to block people. I don't care how many followers I lose. I've lost like 5,000 followers over this and I don't give it one shit. I could lose all my 300,000 followers on Twitter over this. you need to do some soul searching, the people that are still trying to push this right now. You need to decide how much is this narrative worth it to you? Is it worth it for you to lose all your credibility? Is it worth it for you to get completely shunned because you just can't let this go? You need to decide that for yourself, look internally and really ask yourself, why do you care so much about making a fake conspiracy related to Charlie Kirk?

That has no evidence to support it, none at all, that is contraindicated by all the evidence that's out there. Yeah. That's what you have to ask yourself. And a lot of people are not going to handle this because their minds have been broken. It's called brain rot, been broken by this. And I feel bad for those people, but you need to get slapped. You need to get put in your place.

And that's what I'm out of way. Before this next quick segment before we end, what is your religion and background, like just spirituality-wise? Yeah, I addressed this the other day because people always try to, you know, make me part of the conspiracy, make anyone part of the conspiracy. I'm fully transparent. I've always been fully transparent and I've always been honest. Anyone that scientist doesn't believe in God, right?

What? What did you say, sorry? I said anyone that's a scientist doesn't believe in God. I know, that's bullshit too. No, no. There's no incompatibility between science and faith. I'm not an atheist. I believe in God.

I was baptized Roman Catholic. I'm not practicing, but I am spiritual. Baptized Roman Catholic. I did go to Jewish preschool for like one year. when I was like four years old. Oh, there it is. We got him. We got him.

But then I went to public school up until high school. And in high school, my parents forced me to go to Catholic high school where I went to Mass, Bible study, all that stuff, right? And then I moved to Singapore when I was in high school. So I literally lived with international people from all over the world, every possible religion and ethnicity. And then I came back to America. I was actually, let's say agnostic slash atheist in college for a little bit, had a

phase like that and became more and more spiritual as I've grown older. And now I do absolutely believe in God. I believe that this universe is a construct and all constructs have a creator. So there you go. That's my background. By the way, none of my parents, none of my family is Jewish. My mom's side of the family is Italian and German, like three or four generations back. My dad's side is Scottish. That's where Forbes comes from. Forbes is a longstanding Scottish name. There's a house castle Forbes, all this stuff. There you go. Now you know my background. All right. So I do want to point this out because I can't, I can't let this show go without saying this. And we're talking about Charlie Kirk here. I know there's a big debate between Israel, Christianity. Did Israel do it? Did they not? Obviously, I think we've summed up that we do not at this time believe Israel's done it. We also believe that there are grifters out there that think or are trying to say that Israel has done it. But I do want to say about Charlie Kirk and his legacy. To Timothy 4.7 says, I have fault. the good fight. I have finished a race. I have kept the faith. Charlie's life really reflected this.

He wasn't perfect, but he lived with conviction. I mean, he stood boldly for what he believed, even when it cost him his life in this case. And so what were our legacy be? Will we be remembered just as people that didn't stand for truth? Or will we be remembered as people that did stand for truth or the people that stood silent. Charlie Kirk was not silent. He stood for truth, no matter what it cost him, and eventually it did cost him his life. Joshua 1-9 says, have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be frightened and do not be dismayed for that the Lord your God is with you wherever you go. Fear is the tool of the enemy. When voices like charlies are attacked um it is meant to intimidate us but we must not be in fear instead we trust that

god goes before us and so no matter what you have to speak on truth and especially god he says do not be fearful of what you are supposed to say this has been a big thing with us on this podcast spirituality wise is like what do we say and so the church must never shrink back like our calling as truth seekers, Ashton, you, people out there should be talking about

we can't recede after this. Our calling is to be courageous and we cannot compromise. We have to be Charlie Kirk. And even though I am not a Christian, I am still a follower of Charlie Kirk. Yeah.

And I believe in what he stood for. And that's number one. You know, and I think that there's this big elephant in the room right now, you know, about Israel and about Jews. where they stand and where Christians stand. And I think we have to have this conversation.

Well, and I want to go on. So love is our greatest weapon. John 1334 through 35 says, A new commandment I give you is that you love one another, not just as I have loved you, but you also have to love one another. By this of all people, that you know you are my disciples.

If you have love for one another, Charlie challenge us to think critically and stand firm in this entire. thing. That's why when he would bring people to the microphone, he would say, you know, hey, what is your situation? And some of these people are trans, some of these people are whatever, whatever walks of life. And then when the crowd would start kind of booing them or whatever, Charlie would say, no, no, let them talk, dude. Like this is the point of this conversation. Right. And so when hatred rises, love harder, when division deepens, build bridges. And that's

what you got to do. Romans 116 says, for I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God and the salvation for everyone who believes. Charlie wasn't ashamed to speak boldly. And neither should we. And the gospel is something not to hide. It is the very power that changes hearts, families, and nations. And I think if you guys look at Charlie Kirk's assassination. We have to have hard conversations too, though, where it doesn't go with exactly what Charlie

Kirk believed in. but his belief went far beyond the Christian belief. Yeah. He believed in everyone and he believed that everyone was a child of God. No matter what their religion is, if they didn't believe in God or if they did believe in God, he was trying to be a truthseeker to bring those people to God. And no matter where they are or what their stance was, I think that's the difference with Charlie Kirk and a lot of other people.

Yeah. I'll just let it there. Let me just say that it's very difficult to unbrainwash people. I saw that comment on the chat. Absolutely. It may even be impossible. And that's what I said about, you know, we may have to make hard decisions about how we stop this.

But Charlie Kirk was one of a kind. Watching his clips, what he did, nobody can do what he did. This guy went to college campuses and he had the right kind of attitude to be able to interact with these people who were screeching lunatics that hated him, right? And he did it with Grace every time. No, I saw, I'm not even going to say the guy's name. He's, uh, well, you'll know. he's a cuck. He was trying to recreate be Charlie Kirk. He was trying to go out there and do what

Charlie Kirk did. He's just getting completely annihilated. People are screaming him down. He can't even handle a crowd. This goes to show that what Charlie Kirk did was a skill. And I really hope that we can find that we can learn from what he did and take the lessons from it and try to do what Charlie Kirk wanted to do, which was changed the hearts and minds of people. I do hope that that's possible. I don't know that it is, but I do hope so. No, I 100% agree with that, Ashton, for sure. It's been an interesting conversation tonight, absolutely. And, you know, I wish Ian would have come on the show.

He didn't. I literally right before that we started this podcast, I said, hey, I send the link to Ian. I said, hey, if you want to come on, come on. Because, you know, I don't know how many people you have. I've seen 10,000 something here live, but, and that's across, I don't know, whatever platforms. but I think that clips from this or the actual show going forward will get a lot more notoriety. Well, and I think we have to have conversations like this. And it's not just like calling somebody out and saying you're a piece of shit because you believe in this.

But where does your thought process come from? Is it from making money or is it from believing in like the truth of God? Yeah. You know, and this is where Chad and I struggle so much with religion. and, you know, I'm totally spiritual, but I'm not all into religion. And I think conversations like this have to be told and people have to, like, hear them. And we got to figure out where we are in order to come together. Because I think there's so much divide in our world and especially in America.

And I think we're divided on more than just black and white and this and that. you know, but we are divided spiritually. And let me say in terms of how to reconcile. First of all, Ian Carroll, he should have already apologized to Erica Kirk. It's gross that he hasn't yet. That's the first thing he needs to do. He needs to apologize. He needs to admit that he was wrong for pushing this conspiracy theory.

I mean, this is just base stuff, is it? And he needs to say that he's a retard. I'm just adding that in there. He should also then apologize to me and the other people that he's been kind of going after for the last week straight. He needs to do that. He's going to lose a lot of followers. He's going to lose a lot of credibility,

but that has to be the base point that he has to do. After that, here's a situation. I'm the kind of person that I will still listen to you. I will still listen to you even if you push something like this, as long as the next time you learn from it. And the next time you actually push something with facts and evidence. The reason why I liked Ian Carroll initially is that he had good videos and stuff where he actually pushed his financial stuff.

I didn't really watch his game stop stuff but he I don't know what's happened to him recently but now he's gone all in on this whole Israel thing where everything is about Israel everything has to be blamed on Israel and that's I guess that's where he lost his way so ultimately he can do whatever he wants is up to him it's his life he can choose what he wants to do

he has the right to freedom of speech just like the rest of you do to say and believe what you want and I have the right to criticize it that's the case and that's what I'm going to do I agree well guys I think that's going to be it you know, Ian did say Ashton that he would be willing to come on a couple weeks,

but I don't even want to entertain that because I don't think he will show up in two weeks. But he did say, hold on, hold on, Sherry, let me finish. In two weeks, he said he would come on and everybody's like, bring Ian back on.

And yet, of course, he's not going to come on. And I honestly kind of knew that he was not going to come on on this particular episode. Yeah, I kind of felt it too. But he also said it was because of Ashton's rhetoric on X, X or Twitter. That's not the reason why.

He didn't come on because he was going to get annihilated. You guys listened to the whole thing. So let's not make excuses for these people, right? He needs to just be honest, right? He needs to be honest. He should have also been honest about his opinions of MH370. And I don't think he was being honest about that either. Like the thing I hate the most is when these people are kind of deceptive.

They're afraid to tell their true opinions. I value honesty. That's why I like Nick Fuentes. I don't agree with him. I'm not a racist. I'm not even anti-Semite or what have you, but he's honest about his opinions. He'll say what he means and what he feels.

Ian Carroll's afraid to say what he feels because he's afraid of how the backlash. Those are the people that I can't stand. So step one, tell the truth. Tell your true opinion. That's my last thought. And Ash, like I said, I don't, like I said, I don't necessarily agree with everything to you said tonight, for sure. But, you know, I think that we have,

I mean, I 100% agree with the Israel, you know, notion of Charlie Kirk's assassination. but you know we talk about this all the time on our podcast if we want to follow our podcast is investigator with podcasts on spotify we mostly do audio we'll start doing more video stuff and obviously ashton you're on uh youtube and x and all of that just x ashton or ashton forbs on youtube uh let us know what you guys think let us know is there a bigger conspiracy behind this i think in the next few weeks we're going to find out a lot more we have erika kirk going to be talking Wednesday about this.

And so Ashton, I will say, if she says some crazy stuff on that, on that episode, we have we got to eat a lot of crow. We'll see. I hope so. I doubt she will, but we'll see. But guys, that's going to be it for us. Thank you, Ashton, for coming on. We appreciate everybody for listening.

Maybe next time we'll get Ian Carroll on the show. And there is Ashton. We would have Ashton dance if we had music to end this. because Ashley does do dancing every once in a while. Yeah, because we have to dance in Charlie Kirk's memory. Memory, yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. I couldn't think of the word, sorry.

All right, guys, till next time, we love you. Peace out.