Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - CIA Releases UFO Files Conspiracy Podcast

Episode Date: January 20, 2021

On today's episode, we discuss the recent release of the UFO files by the CIA. Are these all the files the Cia has of UFO's? This will be a conspiracy podcast to remember, Cia Releases UFO Files , Fact or Fiction?

Despite the coronavirus pandemic, understandably dominating the news over the past year, UFOs managed to remain a hot topic of conversation in the mainstream media and among the general public in 2020. On this episode, we talk about the recent release of UFO files by the CIA. Do we finally have real answers? All of that is coming up. Stay tuned. Hello, hello, hello. Welcome to Investigate Earth Podcast. I am your host Chad and alongside my wife Sherry.

say hello sharing what's up guys all right so on tonight's show I'm very very excited about this one I'm excited about a lot of them but this one is one in particular because number one I think this is your passion

sorry I took your words babe go yeah number one it is it is my passion and it is something that you know I am highly highly involved with as far as just always researching and and trying to look through documents and so on are you

right over there. Yeah, sorry, I had to clear. Oh. But anyway, so this is something that I've been interested in for a while, and if you guys have listened to some of our other podcast, you will know that we have had quite a few episodes on UFOs and extraterrestrials and aliens and just the possibility of them. So I'm not one of those people that goes out in the middle of fields

and tries to attract aliens by use of antennas or metal hat or whatever. but, you know, it's kind of hard to deny what is really happening and what's going on in the country right now with UFOs. And it's just, you know, 2020 and 2019 alike have just went crazy with UFO sightings and everything else. So on tonight's podcast, we are going to talk about the declassification slash release of CIA documents related to UFO. This is one of the first times they've had a mass dump of articles based on UFOs, the CIA anyway. And so just to kind of give you- And they were just released, what, last week? Release?

Yeah. Yeah, I said released. Last week. Yes. Last week. Well, it was, yeah, a week or two ago. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

I think they're interesting. But go ahead. Sorry. No, no, you're good. So more than three decades worth of government UFO records are now yours to download and check out. I mean, and that's what's really cool.

And how all this kind of came about was there were a few people that have been heavily involved through the FOIA request, and which is the Freedom of Information Act. And these guys went out and requested documents based on that. It's everyone's ability to be able to go and, you know, say, for example, a police shooting or whatever the case is, you do have the right to go and request FOIA, Freedom of Information Act based on whether it be documents, body cam, so on and so forth. But those documents can't be classified, which a lot of documents in the government are. And so I will preface this episode with the fact that, number one, I do not believe that all the documents released are all the documents.

I think I can prove it. Yeah, not even close. And number two, I mean, you know, this has been going on for a long time as far as. as people knowing, having all these sightings, there's been thousands, probably millions of UFO sightings in the world. I would not be surprised if there's a siting every day, somewhere around the world. Yeah, I mean, just in 2020 alone, it just blew up. And the thing about it is, is, you know, in 2020, you know, the pandemic and the coronavirus and all that stuff,

it just blew up media headlines. and at the same time though there were tons and tons and tons of sightings of UFOs maybe it's because the world stopped you know and people had more time to like observe their surroundings and they were not in like the busy rat life of you know the busy everyday life and maybe that's why there were so many more reports it's because people actually had time to see these things going on yeah well they were quarantined at home yeah and yeah and speaking of, yeah, you're right, and that's possible. I don't 100% know whether it was people

slowing down or what, but you know, as far as on the disclosure front, you know, April of two, I think it was April of 2020, that's when the Pentagon actually released three UFO videos that were captured by Navy pilots, the most famous of which being the Tic Tac footage, which, you know, had been the subject

of considerable speculation and discussion over the last few years. And when asked about the videos, was President Trump offered little in the way of answers. Instead, he actually marveled at the fantastic nature and strangely musin. I just wonder if it's real aspect of it. No, I think when I was listening to him, he's like, yeah, there's stuff that you don't know about. Yeah, yeah.

He really did say that. Yeah, yeah. And that is a separate interview. But yeah, I mean, he was also asked by a reporter specifically like, what's the deal with the UFOs? And, you know, he basically said, man, you probably wouldn't believe it. Yeah, it's like almost over your head. kind of thing. It's kind of crazy.

And then later in the year, what could be the most significant UFO event of 2020 occurred when the Department of Defense announced that they had created a UAP, which is unidentified aerial phenomena. That's what UAP stands for. They created a task force that would detect and analyze and catalog unidentified aerial phenomena

that could potentially pose a threat to the U.S. national security. And so that was a huge event as far as UFOs and extraterrestrials. And it was something that the Department of Defense themselves came out and said that they had created a UAP task force. Now, this is not new because the Department of Defense, I mean, well, the UAP task force is. But there has been other task forces that were created previously. And I think one of the first ones was created back in 2014, maybe, if I'm not mistaken.

That's it. That was closed and ended in 2017. I don't know if it was ever closed. what I do think is they kind of transferred a lot of that stuff over to the UAP program and so that happened and you know

the whole thing about it is is that the Pentagon's decision to release the UFO videos actually prompted the Japanese Ministry of Defense to issue new reporting guidelines for pilots there that may encounter unknown aerial phenomena or UFOs so it wasn't just the U.S.

You know that Japan came out and kind of did the same thing and then the former director of Francis Foreign Intelligence Agency Elaine Juliet raised eyebrows when he hinted that UFOs may have an off-world origin and advocated for a villainous to the world. And his intriguing thoughts were actually exceeded in early December by the former head of Israel's space security program.

And this is a guy that said, you guys need to ask Trump. He knows about UFOs. And he made the bold claim that America had already been in contact with aliens and the disclosure had been thwarted by a galactic federation of extraterrestrial. So, you know, there's no doubt that, you know, now it's becoming more and more and more mainstream as far as people talking about it,

government agencies talking about it, and all the like. And then you have this Israeli security defense ministry director. But he made it sound like Trump was in contact with these aliens. I don't know. It was weird. That's what it sounds like. Well, he said the U.S. had been in contact with UFOs and to ask Trump because he knew about it. Yeah, and by the interview what I'm talking about, he definitely said it was mind-blowing.

And he knows a lot more than what we know. Yeah, exactly. And I think you're right. And even Hillary Clinton, I remember she was on a talk show. I want to say Jimmy Fallon, but I'm not sure. She even mentioned that she, you know, she, I guess, implied that she knew about UFOs. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and the thing is there has been tons of sightings in Texas, Washington, Nevada, New Jersey.

This is just in 2020. South Korea, Mexico, Siberia, South Carolina, North Carolina. Colorado, everywhere, New Mexico. There's been tons of sightings. South Africa, North Africa. Yeah, and there was a pilot who filmed an object, and that was over Utah, and it was a video of space guest. And it was shared by a Russian Cosmon on board the ISS in an official UK report. said that there was a plane that nearly collided with a UFO.

So there are just all kinds of craziness that happened during this time. And not just 2020, but, you know, 2020 is really, I mean, you know, with the fact of everything that you turn on media-wise is all about the pandemic and COVID and everything else, then you have also, you can't, you can't ignore all the sightings and everything that, and, you know, really how much UFOs have been in the media. So this is something that hasn't typically happened. You know, it seems like, especially a lot of people that believe in UFOs and believe in extraterrestrial stuff. A lot of people believe that the government or media or whoever somewhere is trying to almost get you almost, I don't know, almost like prepared to like say, hey, by the way, there are UFO.

Yeah, because I think before they didn't want to show or classify any of these files because they did not want to cause like an uproar. or people to be like afraid of UFOs, you know, and it's, so they kept it from us. And it's kind of the same thing. Like when you're on a job, your boss does not share everything with you because they want to keep you calm, right? Yeah. So I think it was almost like a calming mechanism is why things were not shared because they didn't want hysterical, like, people going all over the world. Yeah. Right.

Yeah, I agree. And it's possible. And, you know, also, but, you know, thinking back to, to this is that UFOs have primarily, you know, over the course of history, they primarily have been cited and reports have been made on them during the times of when nuclear or atom bombs were, you know, detonated when certain things happened during the course of military exercises. And, you know, especially during when the U.S., I mean, for example, I know when, I know when, Hiroshima happened in Japan and everything that happened there.

It was, we started having a ton of sightings after that. Many people speculate that this is because, you know, when you set off a nuclear warhead or a atom bomb or whatever you may do, it, it, I'm sure, sends some kind of radio wave type signal throughout the universe, not maybe everywhere in the universe, but throughout our galaxy and then even possibly beyond that. And so a lot of nuclear and missile exercises typically follows with a lot of UFO sightings. And then beyond that, you have sightings that are around military bases. And military bases have had sightings for as long as military bases have been around.

There have been soldiers. There have been pilots that have seen them. It seems like military pilots typically see more UFO sightings than airline pilots. pilots. And a lot of that could be because, I don't know, there's a lot of reasons why it could be. But, you know, the most profound story, I guess, in what I would say, that have happened in 2020, would be the prospect of aliens existing and visiting Earth seems pretty far-fetched. But, you know, there's been a lot of things as far as the ocean goes.

Oh, yeah. I totally agree with you. I think Ocean plays a huge role in whatever they're doing here. If you believe they're here, I believe Ocean somehow is connected to that. It has to be. Because like you're saying, most of the sightings, like the military sightings, is over water. Yeah, exactly. And even like airplane sightings are always over water.

There's like some kind of like pattern there. Yeah, and there's typically always the pattern that they see these things going from 60, 80,000 feet down to zero feet and going into the water or they're not seeing them anymore after that. Or like hovering right there and you can see the water almost like making a reverse tornado, I guess. Yeah, exactly. So the CIA documents. And before we get into the CIA,

we're going to briefly kind of discuss. And some of these documents we can get deep into on another podcast, like really deep into. Oh, yeah, we have to. But, you know, but we want to go over at least some of the documents we found, what we can kind of take from these documents. at least from our perspective, and we'll go from there. But guys, so we haven't done this yet, but make sure that you guys go to investigateearthpodcast.com. That is our website, investigate earthpodcast.com.

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And that'll do it. So let's get into the CIA files and what that all means. Well, before we do that, I have to say that one, there was one site that I was looking at, I think you shared it with me, all the UFO sightings for this year. And one, I was talking to you while you're doing the artwork or whatever, and it was like in Indonesia, there was a guy that's a UFO sighting, like, reporter type guy. I can't remember his name. But he found this place in Indonesia. It was like a deserted island. And he found it from Google Earth.

And it looked like a hexagon. And so he's saying that this might be a transport to underground UFO, like a base, a UFO base, that no. ever explored and somewhere in a deserted like island in Indonesia. Yeah, a lot of people leave. And he found it on Google Earth. Like, you know, when you do flight simulator, you can really see real-time stuff, right? Yeah. So I think, and that's the same thing with the Google Earth.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, well, and a lot of people speculate the UFO bases or UFO things or whatever the case may be are actually down in Antarctica. So, you know, I don't know if anybody ever knows, but you can't just get on a plane and go to Antarctica. You just can't do that because you can't. They don't want you there. They don't want you to go and explore Antarctica. It's almost like an area.

Yeah, it's like a classified area. It's almost like an area 51, but it's, I mean, no one technically owns Antarctica, I don't think. It's part of an international treaty. So it's a weird, you know, it's a weird thing that you can't go there. Yeah, so if you guys get on Google Earth, just let me know if you can find this place that has a hexagon in Indonesia and some island. Island. And you can find it on Google Earth. I'd like to see pictures. So there's been more than, I would say, three decades worth of government UFO records that now the CIA has released. And this is some massive dump of data and documents and files. Yeah, it's like 2,700 pages.

2700 pages. It's all UFO-related documents that was declassified by the CIA since the 1980s. And they declassified it in the 1980s, but their documents mostly back in the 50s and the 40s, some in the 40s. There are some in the 70s if you go further in. The U.S. government calls them Unidentified Aerial Phnomina or UAP, which is what we talked about. And what this is known as is the Black Vault. Well, Black Vault is actually who, I believe, got a lot of these files released.

And it's basically an online repository of UFO-related documents operated by author John Greenwald Jr. And the documents were obtained through a long string of Freedom of Information Act or FOIA requests filed over the last quarter of century. Let me just ask you, like when I was, we actually got on these documents

and we're breeding them, but a lot of them, okay, the published date was different than like their original. Well, it's probably when they declassified. Yeah, because a lot of things were declassified in the late 1970s. Yeah.

But I don't think people were ever declassified. People didn't know about these documents in the 1970s, did they? No. Probably not. I mean, no. There's not, I mean, and the thing is there was more people that- Published, I guess. Yeah, and it kind of goes back to this. Like, back in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s, there was information not readily available as there is now. There's not as much information available as there is now. You know, I think that's part of what we're seeing now, too, is like,

everyone has always thought they've been free, but the more we progress and the more information is available, the more of that now, there are entities, government organizations, big tech, whoever that are trying to push back on how much people know, how much people can say, how much people can think for themselves because it's getting too much they believe, because they believe too much is too powerful. And so now we're getting all this information when back in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, it was what was on the media and that was it. That's all you knew.

That was it. Or in a newspaper. Yeah, the newspapers. You didn't really, you didn't. Even if you had a way to form an opinion, you could not translate that opinion to the world like you can now. Right. It was probably just neighbor to neighbor into the newspaper or whatever. Yeah. So it was, you know, there was not a, it wasn't a salad of ideas like, you know, then as it is now. And not only that, I mean, I think there's a lot of demand for that.

Well, and hence, like back then, sorry, Jed, there was, you know, there was not as many sightings as there is today because I think of social media and the way that we can get our word out. And videos and all that, pictures, everything. So, you know, it's a big difference. I mean, on one hand, social media is great. and on the other hand, it's horrible. And so for this purpose, I would say it's good. But, you know, I was reading through some of these documents, and it's kind of strange. Like, there's one document in particular that the CIA has on file,

and I believe what it looks to be is a outline to whether it be government officials or CIA or whoever as far as the guidance to UFO photographers. So this is a guideline to UFO photographers. And so it says, number one, have camera set at infinity. Number two, fast films such as tri-X is very good. Three, for moving object, shutter speeds not slower than one hundredths of a second should be used. Shutter at F-stop combination will depend on lighting conditions, dust, cloudy, day, bright, sunlight, etc. If your camera does not require such settings, just take pictures.

Do not move camera during exposure. Take several pictures of the object. as many as you can. If you can include some ground of the picture of the UFO. If the object appears to be close to you, a few hundred feet or closer, try to change your location on the ground so that each picture or a few pictures

are taken from a different place. A change in position of 40 to 60 feet is good. This establishes what is known as the baseline and is helpful in technical analysis of your photograph. If the object appears to be far away a mile or so, remain about where you are and continue taking pictures. A small movement here will not help. However, if you can take or if you can get in a car and drive half mile or so and take another

series of pictures, this will help. So these are all CIA guidelines on how whoever they were given this information to. It was not the public, obviously. These were people that were like probably like UFO hunters. Yeah, or whoever they had that was trying to figure out or whatever. And then it says after pictures of UFO have been taken, remain where you are now slowly, turning 360 take overlapping eye-level photography as you turn around. By this technique, the surrounding countryside will be photographed.

This photography is very valuable for the analysis of UFOs you have just photographed. It says your critical negative is of value. Be sure it is processed with care. If you can, have another negative made from the original. Any reproductions you have made for technical study and analysis should be made from the original negative and should be printed to show all the picture, including the border, and even the sprocket holes in your files, as your files have them.

In other words, so that you can't falsify the picture. Yeah. And this was back when, you know, they didn't really have a way of falsifying photos. Yeah.

But they're saying, this is how you have to do it, and this is what we need. Yeah. In order to... And I just thought that was interesting. I mean, this is a CIA document,

and this is the guideline to UFO photographers. Yeah, and back then, you know, you got to think back, you know, they didn't have digital cameras or anything like that.

We had actual, like, you have F stops to, you know, show the, like, how much lights coming in your camera and blah, blah, blah, blah. So they had everything set up for exactly how they wanted it pictured. Yeah. And I do see a comment here in our live, actually, which I've never seen a comment in our live before. Oh, what's our comment? But J-Ron says live question.

Yes, we are live, J-Rond. So welcome to the podcast. Awesome. But, yeah, so if you have something to say or a question or anything, let us know. And we'll check it out. And so as we continue, so we go into another. document and so this document here is the National Investigation Committee of Aerial Phenomena which used to be called NYCAP it was NICAP and it was the contact division

attention whoever is blacked out it was January 25th 1965 and it says this confirms conversation January 19 1965 at which time various samples and reports of UFO sightings procured from the NICAP were given to blank for a transmittal to OSI. The information was desired by OSI to assess them in the preparation of a paper for blank on UFOs. What are the blanks? Are they marked out? Yeah, they're black.

They're marked out. They're marked out. Yeah, they're marked. They're eradicated. William Kehoe, founder of NYCAP, is still listed as director of organization. We gather that he is present on the premises at 1536 Connecticut Avenue NW only and frequently. So I actually want to know what NYCAP. Can you do some research for me real quick? Sherry's not my Jamie, which I would...

Yeah, I'm not a research girl, but what do you want me research? Just type in NYCAP, NICAP, I'm just curious. I want to make sure to see what that is. N-I-C-A-P. C-A-P. So anyways, it says the material which was given to us on loan by Mr. Hall is representing the type of information available at NICAP. Their past and present correspondence from all over the U.S. relative to UFO sightings is voluminous.

They have slack periods, as was the case in December, 1964. Thus, there were no investigators reports immediately available for the month of December. NICAP has active committees scattered throughout the U.S. Investigators active with these committees call upon the sources of reported UFO sightings to obtain firsthand eyewitness accounts of the sightings. You just said what it is. So it's a National Investigation Committee on Aerial Phenomenal. Okay, I got you, Nike. From 1950 to 1980.

Okay. So a printed form prepared by the Air Force for NYCAP's use is utilized during the interview and submitted to the NYCAP headquarters along with the source's eyewitness account as told to the investigator. It said it was our understanding that copies of these reports go directly to you. various Air Force bases. There apparently is a strong filling on their part of NICAP officials, i.e. Kehoe and Hall, that the Air Force tends to downgrade the importance of UFO sightings because

they, the Air Force, does not care to have such, to have too much made of the sightings by the U.S. press. Oh my gosh. So they did not, so the Air Force did not want the United States press to blow it up. That's what they're saying. Okay, yeah. So they didn't want...

Literally what it says. Okay. But when I was reading the files, I mean, the Air Force has a lot of sightings. Oh, they do. But it says the line of distinction here is there apparently is a strong filling on the part of NICAPA officials, IAki, and Hall, that the Air Force tends to downgrade the importance of UFO sightings because they, the Air Force, does not care to have too much made of the sightings by the press, the media. Yeah.

In other words, they did not want it in the media. Yeah, in other words, they didn't want people to know what they were seeing. Yes. Because the media is going to send it to the people. So we were told by Mr. Hall that there have been instances where the Air Force has attempted to intimidate witnesses and get them to sign false statements relative to UFO sightings. Oh my gosh. And this is in the reports. Yeah, this is CIA reports. So they had to sign false statements. Yeah, they intimidated witnesses and they got them to sign false statements relative to UFO sightings. So that people would not know about what they saw. Yes. Because they didn't want media to get a hold of it.

And this is, yeah, and keep in mind. And so. So what is eradicated from this is from who is to, attention, and from. It says, Chief Something from. This is, like I said, 1965. And so number four on the memo, it talks about the most recent UFO sighting of considerable interest to NICAPAPE was the series of pickups of UFOs on the radar screen of the Petusix Naval Air Station between 1,500 and 1530 on December 19. 1864. The incident was reported in the press as a single sighting, a UFO approaching patent, I can't say that word.

Patusant, I don't know, whatever, whatever Air Force Base it is. They saw this single siding at speeds of up to 3,300 miles per hour, which is insane. Oh my God, like speed of light almost. In your eyes, in your eyes. It's crazy fast. So a UFO approaching, it was a 3,300 miles per hour. hour, the Air Force a day or so later, stated in the press that the blip was caused by a faulty radar equipment.

Okay, now keep in mind the previous paragraph we read about they intimidated witnesses. They didn't want anybody to know about it. They didn't want media to know, yeah. So they slated that the press, it was a blip caused by faulty radar equipment. Actually, according to Hall, which Hall is over NYCAP for the CIA or the U.S. government, who talked with an unidentified person close to the situation, there were three separate sightings. So he talked to someone, I'm assuming, probably in the Air Force during, probably in that control tower. No, no, it was someone that was there the night that was there part of the radar, not the blit, but what they saw on radar.

Right. So they said, A, two UFOs, two UFOs, about 10 miles apart southeast of the Air Force Base, approach and a high rate of speed, disappeared from the screen. B, a single UFO picked up 39 miles southeast of the Air Force Base, altitude estimated somewhere between 3,000 and 25,000 feet. approaching base at an estimated speed of 6,000 miles per hour, UFO lost from screened about 10 miles out. So this was another one that was 6,000 miles per hour, which is nothing that we can do on this planet, by the way. And then C, a single UFO 8 miles northeast of,

and these are all three of the sighting. In the same night or different nights. Same night. But they all tried to say it was one sighting, but it wasn't. But anyways, the third one was. a single UFO 8 miles northeast of the Air Force Base approaching at a high rate of speed, made a 160 degree turn, and dropped off the screen. The Federal Aviation Agency FAA station at Salisbury, Maryland, was contacted to determine

if any reported UFOs, a radio operator had received a message from the U.S. Coast Guard ship reporting visual objects cited in the same locale at approximately the same time of day. Hell did give us the name of one of the radar operators at the Air Force Base, a Chief Pinkerson. So number five, there were another UFO sighting reported in the area by the Washington Post within the last week or 10 days. Several men watching from windows of the old munitions building on Constitution Avenue watched several UFOs on the horizon traveling at an extremely high rate of speed. They have promised to fill out the NICAP's siting questionnaire, which Hall says, we are welcome to see when available. And somebody blanked out and informed us that she is requesting security clearance on Mr. Hall predicated upon biographic information provided by in this black.

So it's a she they blacked out. But isn't that crazy? Well, that's one she. This is in the CIA files talking about this. That was actual like Air Force. And what's like what gives me goosebumps, Chad, is. this was in what 1960s or whatever?

1965. 1965. And even like the files I was reading was back in the 1950s. I think 1957 and 1954. I can't remember now. But it seemed like in those files that UFO sightings were among Air Force bases or nuclear powered places. Yeah.

Yeah, they were. And it's still today I feel like those are where the sightings are. Exactly. Like what do you think the coincidence is of that? Do you think there is a coincidence? Yeah, I mean, I do. And I'm going to talk about that. Okay.

And just one second. Maybe I'm getting ahead of you. No, no, you're good. You're not getting ahead of me. It's a valid point. I definitely want to touch on. But I want to touch on this before we get off this document because I think there's one little section of the paragraph here that is the most important in this whole document.

And this is from the CIA. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is a document. documents that you can read. This is from military commanders and CIA officials and so on. This is an actual government agency. It says there apparently is a strong filling, and I know we've read this before, but this is the most important.

Strong feeling on the part of the NICAP officials, i.e. Kehoe and Hall, that the Air Force tends to downgrade the importance of UFO sightings because they, the Air Force, does not care to have too much made of the sightings by U.S. press. We were told by Mr. Hall that there have. been instances where the Air Force has attempted to intimidate witnesses to get them to sign false statements relative to UFO sightings. That's the most important. I mean, yes, everything is important, and especially 6,000 miles per hour, 3,000 miles per hour. That's something we don't have on this planet. And how, and by the way, this was back in the 1950s and you think about how much

technology is gone from. Yeah, coming from an aviation guy. And if we had her other aviation guy on the podcast right now. You know, we would both tell you that, you know, first of all, $6,000, 3,000 miles per hour is unearthly speeds. And this is back in 1965. We still today in 2021 do not have... Can't even do that. We don't have 6,000 miles per hour.

We don't have, you know, any of that. So, but, you know, and some people are going to say, well, how would they know how fast they were going if it was on radar? Well, how they can tell is because radars, you know, know, they're, they're, I guarantee you it didn't say on the radar, the speed, right? But what they can do is, is determine all radars have ranges on them, right? So they can determine the speed based on the range. And they can mathematically say, well, this thing went from here to here in this amount of time. And let's calculate, let's calculate what that speed would be. And so, um, so yeah, that's how they probably knew 6,000 or 3,000 miles an hour. And so this is in 1965.

I know. That's what's crazy. And they were intimidating witnesses back in 1965. Now, what were you going to say? Say what you said a minute ago. Do you remember? Oh, no, I don't even remember now. I'm worrying about these dogs.

Oh, yeah. So, sightings over nuclear bases and military bases and so on and so forth. Well, the thing about the nuclear bases is, yes, there's been tons of UFO sightings over nuclear bases over all that stuff. There's speculation as to, you know, If a UFO and extraterrestrials are as smart as they, as obviously they are. Oh, yeah. They have to be.

They came here. We haven't gone there. Yeah, if you have crafts that can travel at, you know, probably, trust me, speed of light, because you would have to travel at speed of light to get from some of the places they go and so on and so forth. And if you look at Bob Lazar's story about, you know, manipulation of gravity and people say, well, how can they travel at that speed going through space? And that's pretty easy because if you have a gravity field around you, you're making gravity. you're going to warp around other objects in space to where it's not going to, I mean, that's a mathematical thing.

It is. It's a scientific thing. It's a law of gravity. Right. And so if you have a gravitational field that meets another gravitational field, it's going to warp instead of hit. You know, it's going to wrap around it basically and continue its path. But the thing is, as far as nuclear warheads and military bases and so on and so forth, if they're that smart to be able to, well, if they're that smart, they're going to also know that that's probably our most powerful weapons on this. planet are those.

There's actually been, I don't, there's been many stories and probably won't find it in the CIA documents, but these are stories that are legit and it's been proven. There have been stories where there were UFOs and unidentified flying objects that were over military or nuclear stations that actually

activated or put the nuclear warheads in activation mode. Yeah, I remember. Activation status. So, that's one thing that you got to think about, you know, and then why would they do that? Well, I mean, they're smart enough to know that, yeah, you're going to have to take him downstairs. Sorry. Sorry, guys, we're having

technical difficulties with a button. No, no, you're good. We have dogs and they're nuts. Yeah, just put the gate up and then he will be down there with the aliens waiting on us. Anyways, but yeah, so there's something big to be said about UFOs and nuclear stations and military bases. It's just a fact. There's been more military personnel and people see UFO sightings than almost anyone. In addition to that, you've got to think about all the encounters, and there's been more than just the encounters that's made the media. There's been encounters with military pilots over the course of many years. And, you know, why is it that they're always military pilots that encounter these things? Are these UFOs or crafts? Are they

challenging our military and our fighters to see what their capabilities are? Is that a possibility? You know, are they testing our military and our fighter jets to see, can you keep up with me? You know, or do they already know that stuff? I mean, if they're that smart. Or maybe they're gravitated towards like those radio waves or whatever where they can sense it. Yeah, but I don't think they're like a bug. You know what I mean? I think they're like extremely smart. They're not, you're talking more like you're attracted to something like a dog's attracted with a nose to a rabbit, you know. No, but maybe that's how they found us is through. Well, I'm sure.

I'm sure they have some kind of reconnaissance, you know, yeah, I'm sure. And, you know, like we said, their bases are like in the ocean or whatever, but they're seeing. Maybe, maybe they are. Who know? I don't know, but they're seen over military bases or. Yeah, and like I said, I think it's because that's our most dangerous weapons on the planet. Could be. So, so anyway, so that's one file, that's an Air Force or a, you know, it's a, it's a file that NICAP produced and that is one of the files.

Very interesting stuff. And it's just crazy to me that these are in CIA files. Yeah. And it's actually like reporting that they gave, they had to give false statements. That's what's scary to me. Because I knew, you know, we weren't being told everything. And that kind of just proves it right there saying they signed false documents saying they didn't see what they did. Yeah, exactly.

You know? That's scary to me. Well, there's another memorandum as Chief Defensive Systems Division OSI, and this is 1966. Subject is Air Force request to declassify an OSI paper on UFOs. So this is the Air Force's request this time to declassify an OSI. paper. I'm assuming the OSI stands for Office of Special Investigations or something. I'm not sure.

So then the references CIA 031 report on the scientific panel on unidentified flying objects dated February 1953. And so this is the Air Force request declassified. Number one, Ms. Sarah B. Hunt, of the Office of Information. Ooh, I wonder if that's the same lady. I don't know. Office of the Secretary of the Air Force visited D.B. Stevenson on July 19, 1966, to discuss an Air Force request to declassify referenced reports.

Ms. Hunt indicated that the request was triggered by the May 12th C, or is it OBS report program. and some of these documents are tough to read. Dr. H.P. Robertson, chairman of the panel, was on the show and reportedly made sufficient references to CIA involvement in UFO analysis to cause a press reaction. A review of the document supplied by Ms. Hunt showed that Mr. Phil Stronghand, or Stronghod, whatever that is, approved a similar Air Force request in December of 19, I think that's 57. This resulted in a sanitized version of the original consultants report. Sanitized. Yeah, meaning like, you know, basically what we're reading now.

Cleaned up version. Yeah. This report presented most of the conclusions, but it did not refer to the original meeting minutes. Case histories or indicate CIA involvement. Ms. Baldwin has OSI copies of the reports and correspondence, although the Air Force request now in OSI does not request additional. declassification, Ms. Hunt expressed a view that this was intended. Ms. Hunt said that the Air Force is now trying to declassify all U.S. government work on UFOs.

Inasmuch, as my review of the original material showed that significant deletions would be required for further declassifications. So basically, the Air Force at first, they were like, nope, we're not putting this in the media, because I think somebody was over their head saying, nope, you're not doing that, until like, four or five years later, they're like, no, we want everything classified. Is that what you're reading out of that? Yeah, declassified. And then they kind of backed off when media started getting hold of it. And then Ms. Hunt continued and said, no, they want the documents.

But the funny thing is here is that they said right here, inasmuch as my review original material, showed that significant deletions, in order for them to declassify those documents, they had to delete parts. to have significant deletions, which would be required for the Air Force originator to submit a request if they wanted declassification of additional material. Well, and maybe that's like, no, it wouldn't be like people that are in their report that don't want to be in there. No, what are the deletions?

No, deletions is something they don't want ever out there. Yeah, and so is this truly CIA documents of everything we know about? No, it's not. No, absolutely not. Because things are... Something that anyone ever think. Well, I'm just saying because, I mean, reading it straight from the government. Yeah, I mean, well, yeah, this is straight from the government.

But even this is not declassified. I know, but even this tells on themselves. Yes. I mean, you know. I guess that's my point. Yeah. Is that it's not telling all. No, and it never will.

We got to delete part of this and then we'll put it out there. A lot of it. This is what they're saying, though. Yeah, but that's the same thing is that they say that. they've released the UFO files. They haven't. They've released what they could release, but, you know, are not, they're not going to put in the dirty details. And that's the thing. That's what I don't understand about people in this country. Now, I'm talking about, I'm talking about citizens. Like, I don't understand how freaking stupid people are. I mean, I hate to say that.

That's a big statement, though, Chad. No, but it's true. But some people are not even worried about UFOs right now. No, they're not worried, but because they're just listening to everything. the media ever tells them. Yeah, they're watching and listening to media. They're not like listening to the files. But media is all based on what an agenda is. It doesn't matter what it is. It's whoever is in control of the media. They're all funded by multi-million billion-dollar companies or government agencies. I know that. But what I'm saying is people that are people that are stupid that can read all of this. Well, they're literally thing. Well, yeah. I mean, well, they're ignorant. They're ignorant. I would not even know anything about the files if I weren't married to you because you're into this kind of stuff. Not. everybody in the world is like into this and they're not going to be oh like the files came out let me read them well okay listen let me make sure of what i'm telling people because i want you to understand this okay um what i'm what i'm saying is that it's like in 2021 and 2020 people can have the evidence right in front of their face on so many things UFO is one of them and still and that's a metaphor right there and still as long as the media isn't you know saying it then

it's not true. You know, I mean, have we lost all ways of knowing how to think for our freaking selves? Yeah. Because we have. We're programmed now. Everything is programmed in the media and that, and that goes for political and everything else, but it has everything

to do with this as well. You know, and I often ask myself, why does it, why would the government hide UFO classifications? Why would they do? There's tons of reasons why they would. There's a million reasons why they would. I mean, there's reasons that if they have alien spacecraft that they are

using or reverse engineering as Bob Lazard talked about for our own weaponry. There's a big reason why. Yeah, they want to keep that classified so not other countries know about that. Yeah, because, and I guarantee they probably don't even know if other countries have them or not. Exactly. We don't know if UFOs crashed in their

countries. Oh, well, there's been many reports in Russia and just random places. And we, I mean, there's some smart, there's some smart humans I guess that could probably do that, you know, reverse engineer yeah well i don't think i don't think we've done it yet um which is crazy but you know it's one of the things bob lazar said of why we probably haven't done yet is because the secrecy around it

you know they it's just like for his example and look i am a bob wasar fan i i believe what he said and i think it's you know if you look at all the sightings and reports of ufos by military pilots now and all this is exactly how he explained UFOs worked even back then when he worked on them right and this is before the reports of how things work. Now you got fighter pilots that have Fleer videos of these things that are doing exactly the way Bob Lazar explained that, and by the way, guys,

if you don't know who Bob Lazar is and you're listening to... Oh, you've got to look you up. Yeah, but yeah, we have a podcast on it. You can listen to our previous podcast on Bob Lazar. And we, listen, we came out with Bob Lazar way before the documentaries came out with him. Yeah, we did.

We did. Like a year before that. I think so, yeah. They're probably listening to our podcast and got our idea. I don't know. But anyway, so I guess my point is, like, so many people can't think for themselves nowadays. And that's all I'm saying, guys, think for yourself, but also don't believe everything you see either. And that's the same thing with the CIA documents.

I mean, the CIA documents are only going to be half. Well, but when you think about, oh, the CIA documents have been released, you're thinking about, oh, the truth's coming out. But after just even reading like three or four documents, I'm like, no, the truth is still not coming out. Yeah. Like there's partial documents and partial things in the documents. There's a lot of part of the documents that are like, you can tell it's handwriting that's been made sure that you can't read what it says. Yeah, exactly. You know, I just, I think it's fishing.

Well, so here's another document. It's May 16th, 1958. The subject is meeting with Air Force personnel concerning scientific advisory panel report on unidentified flying objects dated January 17, 1953. And this was secret at the time. A meeting was convened this date with representatives of the Air Force to discuss what steps should be taken concerning the subject report in order to take care of inquiry, such as letters written by Mr. Leon Davidson. Mr. Davidson has been most insistent upon getting the entire report released. The full report is classified, secret. A declassified version is available, a copy of which was given to Mr. Davidson.

So he got the declassified version. The following personnel were at the meeting. Dr. Philip G. Strong, Joseph E. Holland, major Joseph E. Holland, major James F. Burns. James F. Burns. That's what the high school was named after. Yeah, that's weird. That is cool. Yeah. Major James F. Burns, Major Lawrence J. Tacker, Dr. A. Francis Archer, Dr. George Carey, and Mr. W.E. Lexon.

Now, I would assume probably these doctors are probably some kind of... Scientist. Scientists, yeah. So, paragraph three of the report cites examples of actions that could be taken by an enemy with possibly dangerous consequences to national security. This is the principal reason that the entire report cannot be declassified. So let's read that again. So, and I think it's actually maybe kind of what I've just said.

Paragraph three of the report cites examples of actions that could be taken by an enemy with possibly dangerous consequences to national security. This is the principal reason that the entire report cannot be declassified. And okay, this is what I'm thinking about. Like, we do have

an aviation YouTube channel and we just did one on the Air Force, our military and UFO sitings. Yeah, yeah, Air Force, yeah. Yeah, so I just lost my train of thought, darn it. All right. It has to do with that, though.

Say it again? Well, you're talking about, like, they are afraid that they don't want to be classified a document because of consequences, dangerous consequences to national security from our enemies. Oh, yeah, talking about enemies. Oh, okay. So this is when we were doing the video for that, we were looking into history about UFO sightings. you know, early on with the earlier, like, jets or whatever. And so way back then, during World War I and World War II,

they were still seeing the, you know, UFOs, and they didn't know what they were. Yeah. No, yeah. I mean, they were back then. They were called the foo fighters. Yeah, the foo fighters. They called them foo fighters, and they were actually after not only German, I think it was German bombers, but, or I can't remember.

Well, the foo fighters were the actual UFO. The UFOs, yes. Yeah, but they didn't know if it was... But they didn't know if it was the enemy or not. I guess that was my point in that document right there. Well, each of them started to try to blame the other one, but then they both concluded that it was not neither of them. And it was some other entity that was trying to...

And they're all having the same sightings, but they didn't... At the time, they're like, okay, is this our enemy or is this something we've never seen before? And this is, you know, back, like I said, World War I and Two. Yeah. So to continue, this was agreed to in the meeting. In addition, it was pointed out by Mr. Strong that several of the panel members significantly requested that while they had no objection to their names being used in connection with the report, they did not want their names connected to the Central Intelligence Agency. So far, it is believed that all connections between the panel members and CIA have been made by unofficial personnel. In Dillon, specifically with Mr. Davidson, it was agreed that major taxisers, would answer for the DCI at the same time that he was answering for the Air Force. Mr. Davidson sent a copy of his letter to Major Tacker to the DCI for response. He pointed out that perhaps the best way to forestall any future inquiries along the lines was to put out a press release covering the subject of unidentified flying objects,

utilizing the panel report as much as possible. The Air Force representatives believe that much of the trouble they have been having with Major Kehoe along these same lines could be alleviated if the major did not have such important personages as Vice Admiral R.H., whoever that is, U.S. Navy retired former DCI, on the board of governors. They suggested that perhaps if the Admiral would shown secret panel report, they would understand and take appropriate action. Mr. Carey said that he would relate the suggestions to Mr. Houston General Counsel. I mean, and this starts sound like a bunch of political crap. Yeah, and I see a bunch of signatures on this document. Yeah, it's just tons of stuff.

They wanted them to contact the panel and to consider rewording the panel report somewhat along the lines that Dr. Menzel suggested in his letter to all the members of the panel. He received the unclassified version of Mr. Leon Davidson's report. And he feels that may be in-advised, at the present time, as much as the report has already been made available to the public,

and any change may arouse suspicion. However, he will contact Dr. Robertson and discuss this. So, in other words, they didn't want to change the declassified, unclassified. Well, yeah, yeah, they were trying to figure out a better way to, I mean, they were even trying to figure out did they release too much on the declassified document. Right. And they didn't want to raise suspicion based on kind of what, you know, what was in this report. And so who knows what was in this report?

So what I want to know is where is the classified reports? We're getting the D. Well, you're not going to get the declassified reports. I want the classified reports. That's what I thought we were getting. No, you're not getting classified reports. Some of these reports were classified back then, but you're still not getting the legit classified reports. But why not?

Well, you mean, because they're classified. If the government wants you to know it, then you're going to know it. But we don't know, that's the thing. We don't know 80% of what the government does. I mean, you know, and honestly, quite honestly, like if we did know everything the government was hiding from us, we would probably be a lot of pissed off people. And that's the only reason why they classify documents. Well, I think they did it in the beginning out of fear.

But now we're, you know, we're intelligent humans, I guess. Yeah. But, you know, they always say the same thing. Like, well, we don't want to give our enemies, you know, whatever. But what we're doing. A lot of times it's a lot more for the people because you don't want to create an enemy of the people. Yeah. You don't want the people to become your enemy. And if you start declassifying things that you've, that the government has lied to us about for years. And that includes UFOs. That includes everything. Our ties with foreign countries on crazy stuff. I mean, you would probably be blown away if you just had everything. I mean, look at what they did to Richard or Edward Snowden because he finally, you know, he worked for the CIA.

And he came out and said that people were being spied on every day on everything they did. He created the programs to do that. Well, partly. Well, he created them and he changed them. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. And so now, you know, if he was to be arrested, he could be put to death for just thinking. in that. So, and that's a very, I mean, that's probably the least thing that we know of what they're doing.

So. Yeah. And look at what all he had to go through just to, to alert people, you know, mankind of what's really going on behind the scenes. We, we really have no idea. We don't. No, we don't. I mean, and we probably never will. Yeah. And I just don't, I mean, I get what you're saying is they don't want things classified because it's going to mess up. where we are, but I think we're already in a messed up place. So yeah, so just to explain, the Black Vault is an online it's a repository of UFO-related documents, and it's all John Greenwald Jr. And the documents

were obtained through just a ton of Freedom of Information Act request over years and years and years. And so over time, so many requests piled up that the CI created a CD-ROM full of the classified documents known as the UFO collection. So these were requests

FOIA requests from this group. that kept requesting and kept requesting. And then finally the CIA said, here, we'll give you all your declassified. Yeah, we'll give you all of our declassified documents and here you go. But it's just interesting that they, that they release these now. Yeah. And I think those were the documents maybe they released in the late 1970s, the declassified documents that we're seeing now. Because when I was on the government site, I was reading a lot of them, like they were published in 1950, like I said before.

but they weren't really published until the 70s. Yeah, I mean, and yeah, like for example, I mean, there's a 1976 account on the government's then assistant deputy director of science and technology that was hand-delivered a mysterious piece of intelligence on a UFO and the description of a mysterious, even an explosion in Russia that was mysterious, that they never figured out what it was and they classified that as UFO. And then, you know, the quote says, although the CIA claims that their entire declassified collection, and that's just declassified, keep in mind. Yeah, this is not classified. There may be no way to entirely verify that, Greenwald wrote in a statement on the BlackBall website. So research by the BlackBallet will continue to see if there are any additional documents still uncovered within the CIA holdings. So, you know, and the crazy thing is keep in mind also, this thing. This dump and all this stuff, the U.S. Department of Defense and Intelligence Agency are due to actually appear before Congress and spill their guts on everything they know about UFOs.

That's coming up pretty soon. And that's been a thing that's going to happen. And I think they have like, as of December of 2020, they have 180 days to submit a report to the Congressional Intelligence and Armed Services Committee on unidentified aerial phenomena. So they got half of this year to submit a report. to Congress. And you know it's funny about just even this podcast. I've answered my own question that I had in my brain before we even started this podcast. And I was asking myself when I was going through and actually reading the real documents, you know, in the dot gov, CIA.gov. And I was, you know, I was thinking the first thing I wanted to research was Roswell. Right? Yeah. And so I was

like, I'm going to the beginning documents. I want to read from the beginning to, you know, now. So I only got through like the first seven I think documents but it was just weird that it was before 1947 and then it flopped to 1954 there was no mention of Roswell anywhere in these documents no and I guess I guess what I'm saying is because I answered my own question they're classified they're still not unclassified documents but why I would say 90% of their documents are classified so why are we so excited about declassified documents it's not that we're excited about it. I mean, I think the fact is that it's just the government's

acknowledgement of they have many agencies, reports, and people within the government that the mainstream people do not know about. The everyday population does not know that there are generals and majors and all these people

that are actively involved heavily in UFO and unidentified aerial phenomena, research, and investigations and so on and so forth. You know, if you go on social media, right now or you go on anywhere else and you talk about UFOs I would say 80 to 90%

of those people think you're crazy and that's my point is how ignorant some people are because if you just read even the declassified reports yeah if anything if the CIA is doing anything I think they're saying you know even with just the declassified

reports yes yes you're right yes there are aliens we have we have issues here's our declassified documents of different agencies we've had, different things, so on and so forth. They're not giving us what they have found, so on and so forth. Now, not long ago, they had, you know, there was a release that the Department of Defense said that they had in their possession. And this is Department of Defense, a craft, not of this world.

That is the exact wording, if I'm not mistaken. And they actually said this. and I need to look that up because I'm craft not from this world. Yeah, the craft from not this world. I remember you like we talking about that. And I think it was during Trump that happened because I think a lot of things have come out during the space, you know, the space whatever that Trump's made. Yes. Right.

So I think a lot of it more of that's coming out. And here it is. According to a recent report from the New York Times, the top secret Pentagon. program had been conducting classified briefings for over a decade, analyzing various encounters between military craft and unidentified aerial vehicles. According to the times, the Pentagon stated that a program was disbanded, but a Senate committee report last month unveiled spending on a program called the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force.

It was reported in late June that Senator Marco Rubio had requested a detailed analysis of the task force findings. The report stated that committee supports the efforts of the task force to collect and standardized data regarding unidentified aerial phenomenon as well as their links to foreign governments and potential threats. Astrophysicist and former consultant for UFO programs says

2007 Eric W. Davis told the times that he gave a classified briefing to the Defense Department agency as of early March regarding off-world vehicles not made of this earth that they had been in possession of. And over the years, federal government has released footage of military encounters with unidentified aerial phenomenon.

And this quote says, is releasing the videos in order to clear up any misconceptions about the public on whether or not the footage that has been circulating was real or whether or not there is more to the videos. And so the agency actually said that in a statement released along with the clips. The aerial phenomena observed in the videos remain characterized as unidentified, according to the Department of Defense. So it's crazy. I mean, it's obviously something.

I don't think, you know, being, I just don't, I just don't. think it's something that we have on this earth i don't think it's another country i don't even think it's something of ours um i mean even if it got out and and so on i mean the reality of this is if this was something of ours that video would never been have never been released because you know a lot of people say because it would be like we wouldn't want other people to know about our stuff we wouldn't want our other countries know and what we could have right um that would be the last thing that would ever be released, period. And so I don't think it's something of ours.

I think it is something that we don't know what it is. And we're talking about like the latest. Well, yeah, just the Navy fighter video. Yeah. Where we see this craft. And for those of you've not seen it, they target in. It's major David Fraver. Yeah.

And they target in on the UFO. And once he targets in, you can see this craft going every direction. Yeah. And, like, going crazy. And it kind of turns horizontal and then it just disappeared. I mean, it's hauling ass. Yeah. And he was like, yeah, we got it.

He was so excited that he got it on, because it was so hard. Like, I think a lot of pilots have tried to get it on, you know, when you zero in. You got to capture it. Yeah. Yeah. And it's hard to do on a fast move. Because they're so fast like that. I think he was the first person.

I think other pilots have seen it, but they've not actually zeroed in and targeted it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, exactly. Where they can follow it what it's doing. And then he's like, yeah, we got it. He was so excited. Yeah.

And so, you know, so these CIA documents that were released, I mean, yeah, like I said, it just goes to that. It's declassified. Now, there are other documents in this, on these thousands of documents. But keep in mind, all these are going to be declassified. I don't think it's going to be anything in any of these documents that are going to be insanely like, oh, we have an alien that we have, you know, an area 51 or whatever. But it's just a fact that we.

that they are acknowledging, yes, they have been investigating it. They have different committees. They have different people involved. They even have different encounters from different military personnel. But not only that, they also, there's a lot of documents that surrounding reports around the world, not just in the United States, that the CIA was also investigating or a part of. And, you know, just in 2020 alone, there has been hundreds, if not thousands, of reports. Oh, like I said, every day there was a report.

Yeah, every day. Every day. There's been a report somewhere in the world. Yeah. And so... And people are actually, you know, able to, like, video some of the footage and talk about it and get it out there on social media like they couldn't in the 1940s. I think that they are around just as much as they were in the 1940s. We're just able to capture it more now.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, and there's a website called UFOSight.com. You guys can go there. It's called UFOinsight. com, sorry. And if you look up the best UFO sightings videos and encounters of 2020, this is just a list. It's a humongous list. Yeah, from December to January, it starts at December, goes back to January, and it has

all of everything. April, it has the Pentagon release, the coronavirus effect, strained object over Iberia, Louisiana. There's just so many reports. Like, you cannot, we could not even, like, go over all of them. There's so many. Yeah, I mean, there's, yeah, I mean, there's no way. And it's all over the world. It's not just.

in America or, you know, in certain places. It's everywhere. So our question to you is, do you believe in UFOs? I mean, I don't know. I don't see how you really can't. You know, I mean, obviously this universe. But there is some people that still don't believe in it. But maybe after this podcast, maybe they'll start to think, thinking that maybe there, it does exist.

Well, like I said, the thing is at the end of day, I mean, we live in a universe that is beyond our even imagination. Oh, it's infinity. I mean, just in our galaxy alone, it is. is insanely big to where we can't get anywhere out of our own solar system. And our solar system in our own galaxy is a tiny little, even smaller than speck of salt. And that's just our galaxy. And then there are billions of galaxies just in our observable universe. And some are way bigger.

Yeah. Not many are smaller. A lot of them are just like ours. And so you've got to think about how many potentials of life are out there. And also, I mean, guys, we don't know how old the universe is. I mean, you know, there could be life forms that are there are trillions of years old, you know, that are so advanced beyond our belief that we can't even fathom what that even means. Yeah, just when we were like learning how to use TV, they were already over here. Yeah, I mean, our people's existence on Earth is very minute.

It's new. Yeah. It's like a new thing in its galaxy. And so you've got to think about all the possible civilizations out there that could be millions. of years old or billions of years, trillions of years old. Whatever is after trillion. They could have seen us being formed.

Who knows? I don't know. A lot of people believe in simulations. But when you start getting into that, even if you look at the movies like Interstellar and you talk about like the concept of time and space and certain areas of space manipulate time differently.

So whereas you could go through a certain area of space or a black hole or around a black whore, go down to a certain planet that time. Time is not the same. So whereas it might be a day on Earth, it could be, you know, it could be five years on this planet or 10 years. And the same amount of real Earth time you're spending there. Or like eight minutes in space could be like five years on Earth. Yeah.

And in certain parts of space, yeah. But you know what also I find funny about that? Because that is a actual scientific thing that they have concluded that, yes, space mutates or manipulates time. It's different everywhere. There are places in space that time does not. It's not the same. Because even if we could travel to speed of light and we could travel back, time's going to be different. It's not going to be the same amount of time that it took us to travel there.

Meaning like we personally may be only a few days old. If we can travel to somewhere, say millions of light years away instantly, right? Or very close to instantly. This is where it gets weird because your body is still only going to be a couple days old. Say it takes you two days to travel so many light years away. And then it takes you a couple days of travel light years back. But when you get back, the earth could be gone. It could be gone.

It could be 10,000 years in the future. And you're still only two or three days old. It's all about how fast we can get somewhere. That's what separates and manipulates time. And so it's so weird to even think about that. Time is everything in space. It is. And it all depends on how fast you can get from point A to point B.

when you start talking about light speed and there's probably a speed past light, it's something else. And I guarantee there is some type of life form that has manipulated this and knows how to do that. And are way smarter than we are. Yeah. And they're here. And I think they've been here a long time. But you know what I think the constant thing is no matter how smart aliens are? And this is what you've got to think about too.

And what I was just describing, even if aliens can travel at light speeds, right? Oh, yeah. They could only be here three days like you're saying. Which they about have to be. Yeah. Even if they can do that, and they have a gravity field that they get here that way and all that. It's still, they have to know, though, if you look at the concept of time and how space affects time, they have to know, though, when they come here, it's either they're coming here for good or at least in this area, or they're going to, or they know that, you know, when they go back, it's going to be far in the future or whatever the case is. And maybe they don't care about that. Maybe. Maybe they live forever.

But maybe they can go back and forth and it's the same. Yeah, and that's possible too. We don't know. But if you look at everything we know about space and time and what it would do if you could travel insanely crazy speeds to another area and then come back. We're talking about light years versus speeds. Yeah, it's weird. Light years versus speed of light is a huge or even speed of sound, both of them. And this is the way you've got to think about it.

To travel one light year for us, we would have to come up with a craft. that would like to travel one light year say at 37 you would it would take at 37,000 miles per hour it would take us 18,000 years golly to travel one light year at 37,000 miles an hour. And why one light year is not even out of our solar system? No, it's not. That's not even close. So that's what I'm saying. It's a weird and crazy thing.

It's the space and everything that is involved in space and all that is insane. You have to make your, but you have to like allow your mind. You have to allow your mind to open up. Yeah, you got to open your mind up and really think about it. Yeah, you really do. Because when you travel light years, that's like I said, at 37,000 miles hour, it takes 18,000 years. So what if you could travel at light speed? Well, then, you know, I mean, that's what I'm saying.

It's all weird and it's all relative to like the conversation. But there's so much unknown. even just about our own planet. I mean, say that all these sightings of UFOs that are going down the oceans and stuff and they're seeing them like go in the ocean, I mean, there's been many reports of that, military pilots, so on and so forth.

Even airline pilots have seen similar. That should tell you. I mean, it's something to do with that. And, you know, I don't know. It's a crazy thing. And I don't know, guys. We're definitely going to dive deeper. Oh, we have a lot to dive into.

into these CIA files. To me, this is interesting. I hope it's interesting to everyone else because it just baffles my mind. Yeah, we had to get off the political BS for a little while and just and everything that's going on in the country. And I know a lot of you are not from this country, but we had to get off of that. And so it makes me happy. Look, you know what? With what's going on in this country, you know, hopefully an alien will come and take us to wherever the hell they're at.

Please, listen to Alien. If you're listening to us. Come to our house. Listen, alien, if you know where we are, please come. Yeah, and we've already talked about. Chad said he would definitely go. I mean, I'll go just check it out. I mean, you know, what is the worst that could happen, right?

Can't get much worse. Well, it could. No, it can definitely get worse. Oh, yeah, you could be like a scientific experiment for aliens or something, but who knows? No, you're exactly right. I was actually going to end with this, but you know, I want to end with one of our favorite new song. It's called Bring My Friends. Guys, by the way, if we do go through.

two UFOs. All of our friends are welcome. You guys can just get on in with us. But that's why you've got to go to investigate earthpodcast.com. Get on the forum. Get in there. Get in our community. And if we do get taken by aliens, we'll make sure to put a little post on there where you can meet us. Yeah, because I'm hearing an alien like going on the door right now.

Yeah, our dog alien is actually happening right now. And he's going nuts. As he always does. Yeah. But guys, this song we're going to end you with is bring my friends by Tiger Blood, Jewel, featuring Stephen Ellis. Guys, until next time, which will be soon, because we're doing podcasts all the time now. We have so much to talk about.

We have absolutely so much to talk about. Yeah, and I really enjoyed hanging out with you guys. I hope you enjoyed it just as much as we did. I mean, I think this is fun things to talk about, and it's just like makes your brain wonder. But guys, go to our website because they're starting to try to censor podcast right now, and they won't censor us if we just go to our website and sign up. And go comment on the forums. Comment.

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But anyways, for now, talk about aliens with your family and friends. And we will talk to you guys soon. Peace out. Bye, guys.