Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Conspiracy Theories in 2021 Podcast with Rich Simpson

Episode Date: May 10, 2021

Tonight we talk about Conspiracy Theories in 2021 with Rich Simpson, the Author of the Conspiracy Diaries. Why are so many of these theories coming true? And how it is affecting us all.

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And welcome to Investigate Earth Podcast. How is everybody doing tonight on this beautiful Monday, Monday evening that we're all out of gas, apparently, it seems like, in Southeast. And it might not be Monday for everyone, but yeah. Yeah, yeah, it might be. They might be listening later. But this is live for us right now. It's our Monday. Yeah, and that's the new thing that's going on.

It is. Gas shortage. Yeah, we got a crazy gas shortage going on. I'm saying shortage like you. Shortage. Yeah, we got a crazy gas thing going on in the United States. There was a big pipeline that basically got hacked over the weekend, which doesn't really make any sense whatsoever, but we're going to probably talk about that possibly on this podcast. I'm going to say possibly because we never know.

Sometimes we get to it. Sometimes we don't. But it is something I want to bring up. We actually have a great guest on the show tonight. It is the author of the conspiracy diaries, Rich Simpson. So we're going to bring Rich on in about 30 minutes or so time. Rich is written an amazing book called The Conspiracy Diaries. I believe he's been involved in other books or written other books as well.

So we're going to talk to him more about his book. And we just really want to interview him and kind of get his thoughts on what's going on in this crazy world today. As you guys know, we've had so much going on in our world and not just our world, but our country. If you're from the United States, you know what I'm talking about. But I'm sure a lot of you out there, UK, Australia, wherever you are, you all have. your own issues and you all have your own conspiracy theories it's not there's not one conspiracy theory that is um necessarily going to affect us more than others there's there's something that you know it seems like nowadays and this is kind of what i what i want to bring up it seems like

nowadays the the idea of a conspiracy theory at least in the united states and i believe honestly governments around the world are using the phrase a conspiracy theory a conspiracy theory the at least in the united conspiracy theory as a almost like a brainwash to the to the masses. That is obviously not true. If you believe in a conspiracy theory, you are a nut or you're crazy. Until it comes true.

Yeah, well, you're a nut or you're crazy. But what they really try to push with the word conspiracy theory is that it is automatically a lie. Right. What the media and the people that are behind the media and pushing all of this agenda on the world and especially in the United States right now,

one of the things that I've really seen they're doing a really good job at it. It's like you talk to the average American that knows nothing about anything as far as what we talk about or just other than what they watch in mainstream news. But if you talk to them and say, oh, man, there's this conspiracy theory. Well, the first thing they're going to think is, oh, that's a lie. Because that's the way the media is pushing it. And they haven't heard it on their news station. Yeah, never heard it.

that as a lie that's a lie and you know sherry and i doing this podcast for three and a half years now there's been so much that we've talked about and covered on this podcast that you know people were like i would say 35% of it's come true yeah and they and like when we first came out with these things they're like you are insane you're crazy where are you coming up with this like even our own families weren't they they're like to saying we're crazy and insane and then and then like year like a year later or six months later they're like oh my god You're right. Yeah, you're right.

Oh, you're right about that too. Yeah, you're right about that. You've been right about that. And so, yeah, so we're going to touch on so many topics tonight. Guys, if you're a conspiracy theory nut, as they call us, I guess. And if you're one of those people that love conspiracy theories, we're going to really try to touch on mostly the ones that are really, really going crazy right now, the ones that are just blowing up. There's quite a few of them in this world right now that when you talk about it or, you know, know, people are getting banned on social media for saying certain things about certain things.

For example, you know, the COVID pandemic, and we're not going to get deep in this because these are things I want to talk to rich about. But, you know, the COVID deal, you know, from the very beginning we've been told and for whatever reason we've been told by China and we believe them apparently that, well, we didn't believe them. And neither did some people in our ex-government. but at least they told us what came from a bat. And so that's what the media pushed. That's what pretty much... Oh, sorry. God, that was loud. Yeah, you're like screaming in the lights.

All right, go ahead. Sorry, and I was going to say, and some people still believe that today that it came from a bat, even though it's like, I don't know, is all news people like saying that yet or no? No, all news is not, but, you know, it's something that, you know,

there's only a select few news. And look, the reason for this is, for example, there's been some news articles come out that China has been planning this and possibly behind this, and it has been planning to use COVID as a weapon for six years, possibly to start World War III. Not going to go crazy deep into that, but we will a little bit later. And so this is something that we had talked about, you know, as soon as the COVID happened and we started getting these hints. And keep in mind, guys, when we do research on podcasts, on anything that we talk about.

We research. We don't go to Google and just type in. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Well, let's type in, where did the pandemic start from? Well, guess what Google is going to tell you, exactly what the mainstream news propaganda wants you to hear. They're going to say it came from a bat.

It accidentally transmitted from one person to another. And then it became a global pandemic killing millions of people. Right. Sounds great. It's like that no one's affected by it. Oh, and too, like back then when it was first coming out, I was like researching. the Wuhan like community and I was like seeing all oh I said like darn it but I was seeing all these

things going on what they're selling in these Wuhan things and it was like all like these well they pushed animals they pushed these videos yeah they yeah exactly that's what I was getting at it was like all this like oh no wonder it came from there you know yeah as soon as we actually yeah as soon as they started talking about the pandemic and where the virus came from you know one of the first things that was really, really pushed hard in our media. It was coming out from China. It's a Wuhan market. That's what the word I was trying to get.

Yeah. And there were so many videos. And it was just like disgusting. And it was all getting out from China. And it's like, and I was like, man, you would think China would be really like, you know, holding these videos down or figuring out some way to silence these people. And these are people supposedly. That were getting these videos out. These are Chinese people supposedly.

And they're actually like filming going. down this market with all these nasty cages and nasty animals and it was just disgusting. Well, I could not imagine ever going down a market like that and saying, oh, yeah, I want that thing in that cage. Yeah. Well, I just don't believe those videos. Well, the videos are real. It's just, in my opinion, and this is something we'll talk to Rich about, but, you know,

in my opinion, I think that if anything, it could have been the Chinese government themselves that went down and took videos of their wet market to release to the media. just for people to say, oh yeah, it came from the bats. And then it came from a, yeah, because that's the safest way for them to kind of. Even though the bats that that they were supposedly originated, where like 500 miles away from there. Yeah. So, but yeah, I mean, so that's just one of the things that, you know,

has been happening in our past year. And so it's just funny because the past year and a half to two, if you guys go back to probably, I don't know, probably about, the beginning of this pandemic. It was towards Trump's end of his term. Well, not, it wasn't, I mean, I guess it was like January from March. So it was probably one of our podcasts in March. And right when the pandemic started happening and all this craziness started happening,

so did the woke, as I call them, justice departments and all these other agencies in our government. And all of them started coming out and talking about how conspiracy theories, are should be classified as terrorists or terrorists. They said that one of the biggest problems with our society in the United States today is conspiracy theorists, spreading lies and rumors, and especially about the pandemic. I mean, and they were like banning people for even saying on social media that this virus could have came from a lab, even though there were many people. I mean, there were people disappearing in China because it was doctors and people like this.

And I'm telling you, like, I'm not this morning. chick in the world, but when I saw people started disappearing, like, major people in China that were, like, leaders, and they all of a sudden are, like, disappearing and gone. I just, yeah, I knew it was more than a Wuhan, like,

market. Yeah, and so now, so, so, yeah, you have the pandemic, but obviously I'm smarter than other people. Yeah. I mean, well, yeah, I mean, it's just, it's not about, you know, the thing is, I don't even sit here, consider ourselves geniuses. You know, you don't have to be a

genius. You just don't, you can't, you just can't be asleep. You can't be so tunnel vision that everything that you see on television is true. It's not that you're not smart. You're right. It's more of the tunnel vision and what you hear on media. You're going to believe that regardless of what's true and not true. Yeah. And unfortunately, there's one major group that is behind a lot of media, especially in the United States, but I'm, you know, it happens all over the world. I mean, you know, China uses the media for propaganda more than anything. I mean, And they don't allow anything on the media in China that's not for the Supreme or the China. For the good of China.

Yeah, the communist. Yeah. And back then, we were even talking about like how China could even like the normal person from China could not even get on Facebook to release things like that. They weren't allowed to back then. You remember that? Yeah. That was during that podcast. Yeah, that.

And then, yeah. And then you have, you know, of course, North Korea. You know, I mean, you know, you look at, you know, Russia, for example. Russia has, you know, anybody that's going to challenge Vladimir Putin in a race or any of that, they disappear. Or they die. I mean, they do. And they've actually been asked questions on live. I mean, Vladimir Putin himself with 60 minutes and whoever, they've asked that question.

And he said, I don't know why they disappear. But he does. They just kill him. And I didn't want to put you on the spa or anything. But there was some dude that got poisoned and it was like obvious. Yeah, and I think that was a Russia guy. Yeah. That was a Russia guy.

Yeah, that was one of them. Yeah, and he got poisoned from, I mean, it was just completely, they didn't even hide it. Yeah, they didn't even really deny it. Yeah. They never really came out and denied that this political opponent, I believe it was of Vladimir Putin got poison. I think he's still alive, but he's like screwed up still. Yeah. Like he really got poisoned bad, like he was on his dead bed.

If he's not still alive. Yeah, if he's even still alive. I think he might have died. I don't know. But, you know, I guess our point to this podcast and what we really want to talk to Rich about is, you know, what is going on in 2021 man i mean it's it's they went from 2020 to 2021 you know i know that conspiracy theories have always been a fun thing right and not a fun no no no no it's it's always been a fun topic everyone's thought of conspiracy theories is a fun topic to listen to talk about um there's never

been so much pressure and scrutiny on conspiracy theorist as there are now and which is why guys and everyone, that we are going to create a membership website on our website. That's what we're in the process of doing right now. It will be released soon. And so we will have premium content because at some point in time, the conspiracy theory podcasts are going to be purged from Apple, from Google, from maybe Spotify. I mean, it depends on kind of how Spotify, how far they take this thing. But anybody that is, especially in the United States, that is not on the agenda of what is going

on in this country right now is going to be purged from all media. I mean, there are, the only way you're going to be able to listen to whoever you want to listen to is by going to their site. And, you know, for us, yeah, we will have a paid membership portion of our website. We'll still have free podcast if people can even listen to them at some point in time in the future because it depends on who gets banned. And you know what I mean? It's going, it's coming.

They've been talking about it for basically since this pandemic began. And the reason I'm saying that podcasts, or not just podcasts, but conspiracy theories have always been fun to listen to. The government never really had an issue with conspiracy theories because they could always get away with lying no matter what. If it was a true conspiracy theory, meaning it was a group of people got together to do something heinous or ill will, you know, all they had to do is lie about it. And that's basically what they're doing now. the problem is that they're having a really it's it's almost like if you got a pressure cooker right and and so the government especially united states government and i think a lot of people around the world especially united states government you have this this pressure cooker right you have every conspiracy theory just going on now you have the old jfk conspiracy theories which you know a lot of people don't believe at all that he just was killed by one person but we're going to talk a little bit about that later Then you got things like Epstein. You have that boiling in there.

You have the child sex elite pedophile ring, which is, you know, part of the Jeffrey Epstein thing. We're going to talk about the Bill Gates thing that just came out as well. Then you got the pandemic deals and all the conspiracy theories around there. You got UFOs. You've got, which is the fun thing to talk about. UFOs. Yeah, that's a fun thing. Yeah, kind of.

It's kind of scary. No, it's pretty much fun. Yeah, but it's fun. But anyway, so you have all these things. And usually, most of the time, these conspiracy theories, if you look at it from like a co-conspiracy. cooking perspective. I don't know why the hell I'm using this analogy. But I think it's a great analogy. But if you look at it from a cookings perspective, up until the last, say, two years,

conspiracy theories was in just a regular pot, right? And it was just chilling, you know? It was just there and soaking up whatever and people could either dig in or not. But now it's in a pressure cooker because now there's so many in there. And now the government is trying to put a lid on all that pressure. And when you put a lid on all that pressure, at some point in time, if you don't have a to diffuse it, which they don't. They're basically working with a pressure cooker

without a top, you know, the little top thing that spins. It's got a little bit of stuff leaking out, but eventually it's going to blow. And so it's either going to be the lid, which is the government that wins and just smashes and destroys everything under it, right? Or it's going to have to come out. And it's going to have to come out

in a big way because these things can't keep happening like they are. You know, this woke society that we're living in today is just ridiculous. You can cancel anybody for anything. If you're not on the woke side, then you are irrelevant, you are canceled, you're not allowed to make a living, you're not allowed to speak, you're not allowed to say your freedom of speech at all, you're not allowed to say whether you agree or disagree with something, no more unless it's

only you agree with their agenda. And if we ever find out you don't agree, you're done. Yep, you're done for it. And by the way, a lot of these woke people, if they could kill you and get away with it, they would. No, they definitely would. And this woke thing, it goes in so many different avenues. Like you can't even keep up with it now. It's everywhere in our society. It is. It is everywhere. And it goes from the top and then it just trinkles down like an umbrella. Don't you think? Yeah. I mean, well, it does. I mean, it's just one of those things right now that it's going to blow. And but what the United States government is trying to do, because they know that so many people out there have a lot of influence. And, and, you know, we're in the age of

communication and information. We're in the age of people being able to instantly communicate with someone. We're in the age of people being able to instantly share something with someone. And we're in the age of people being able to en masse a following based on whatever they believe in, whether it's true or false. But that's for, in my opinion, the people to decide whether it's true or false, whether it's not. You know, freedom of speech has always been said that, you know, freedom of speech is not controlled

nor Democrated basically based on hindering it is by creating better speech right? It's not to silence the speech that you're trying to that you don't agree with

because that it completely eliminates the First Amendment in the United States which is freedom of speech. That's not what you do. You make a better speech. If you think that you have a better valid point, you say it. That's part of freedom of speech.

But that's not happening. No, it's actually just going with one way. You either believe this or say this or you don't. It's taking away that amendment. Yeah, it is. And those are all conspiracy theories. I mean, the freedom of speech is being taken away right before eyes. Oh, we see that.

People want to say, well, they're private companies. Okay, well, you know, but they've always, like social media and big tech has always been considered themselves to be platforms. And the reality is a platform is where people are able to go and speak their mind. Now, one of the things I was

not very happy with Trump about is the fact that I just believe that his administration could have done better to break up the monopolies, which is Facebook and Google and all these. And the main reason is you're not going to break these companies up just to end them. And you're not going to also regulate them, which I believe I 100% believe government should regulate these big tech companies. If you're going to be a place. They're ruling everything right now. Yeah, they are. Well, they should technically be considered a public utility. A public utility is the same as anything else.

When they can meet your own president of the United States, when he's president, there's something going. Yeah, and after. There's something wrong with that. Yeah. And so, you know, the thing is, is that they consider themselves private. Well, we're a private. We're a providentity. Okay, well, it's fine. That's right. But they did kind of go after them. And Ted Cruz was like number one on there, like going after, you know, Zuckerberg or whatever. Yeah, you can go after all you want, but you need to pass legislation to do what you got to do. But why didn't they pass the legislation? I don't know. Because of what? I have no idea why they didn't.

I think it was a failed, one of the most important failed things. And I think if I'm Trump right now, I'm looking back on my opportunity to do that as, you know, damn, I wish we would have done that. Because, I mean, I felt like watching those, whatever they're called when they were, like, interviewing him and asking him all those. those questions. Yeah, the Congress was asking Zucker, Zuckerberg. Zuckerberg. God, whatever. When they were asking him all those questions, I felt like they had

valid questions, but he just went around the questions. Yeah, I mean, the reality is that they should have brought up a bill, they should have passed it. They would have had the support on this. You know, you had a Republican-controlled Senate,

which is, you know, whether you believe it or not, as of right now, that's who big tech and basically everybody is censor. And it's not just big tech. It's jobs, it's companies, it's corporations now. It's everybody. So as of right now, they're after conservatives. But, you know, eventually, they're going to come after you.

And no matter who you are, it doesn't matter where you are. At some point in time, it's going to happen. And the reason I say that, you know, number one, I think it kind of goes back to our government being just completely screwed, you know, the way it is. But big tech is a big problem. and that's just one of the other conspiracies are the President of the United States being banned and now indefinitely banned from Facebook

and basically all the social media is Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. The problem with that is that you, what people don't understand is why it was so important that they should have regulated Facebook or at least broke them up and so on and so forth. When you break up big tech like that where they are monopolies, the reason that monopolies exist or shouldn't exist

and there's laws against it is because you don't allow for competition. You basically either buy out or sue out competition, which is what they've done in the parlor and all these other ones. But you have to have an equal playing field, and we don't at all right now. You know, most people, for example,

I could develop a social media platform myself. I've thought about it, I've talked about it. But, you know, you have one or two things happen in that situation. You have either the big tech, either trying, I mean, you know, your best bet would be for them to try to buy you out. But the reason that you're creating this is not to be bought out. It's to continue it and actually have a place for free speech. Or if that doesn't work for them, what they do next is they get their government that they're so beloved with now.

And they will. And they will say that you're harboring terrorism or something and then you're screwed anyway. So they're going to find ways. and they are using the government. I mean, at this point, like, for example, Parlor, as soon as Biden and his administration came in, Parlor came under investigation by the FBI. They were basically the host of the capital riots, as they call it.

So is crazy. There's a lot of stuff going on. There's so much going on. And I'm sure Rich is going to bring so much more than what we're even talking about. But I do want his opinion. We'll talk a little bit about his book. but Sherry, what do you think is our biggest, I mean, what do you think the conspiracy theory while I get rich on here? What do you think is the conspiracy theory that is the scariest?

Well, I'm not going to say one that's the scariest, but I'm going to talk to you about one that my mom and I have been talking about. Because like I was saying that my mom and I, we watch different channels or whatever. My mom watches like mainstream media. What is it called news? What's your mom listened to? Well, like, you know, the news hour. What is it called? No, the World News Tonight and stuff.

Whatever is on regular TV, right? So my mom here is like totally different things than I do. And so recently we found out that, oh my gosh, this is not what's his name? The dude that is getting a divorce. Oh, Bill Gates. Yeah. So recently, my mom and I, I'm sorry, I got nervous because Chad put me on the spot. But recently we were talking about how Bill Gates and his wife are getting a divorce, and we're talking about the reason why.

So I was saying, well, maybe she wants to divorce because he's doing all these crazy things and he wants to depopulate the world. Like I was coming up with these, like amazing, weird things. And my mom is like, oh, no, she's divorcing him because he's been sleeping around. I'm like, mom. That's the old world problems. That stuff ain't happening no more. Nowadays, it's like, yeah, he's running a child sex. mom is kind of right though if if we're listening to the new things if he was like really you know

associated with Epstein or whatever then maybe my mom is right so I was like I got to call my mom and saying you might be right it's crazy stuff that's one I mean it's not scary but it's just one thing that we talk about and our views are so much different than each other and then they like come come together so for sure well we do now have rich Simpson on the line rich how are you doing this evening. Good, good. I'm fine, thanks. How are you doing?

We are doing extremely well, actually. Thank you for asking. Rich, now, so you are author of the conspiracy diaries, correct? Yeah, and my writing name is Rich Monroe. So if anyone was to look up for my book, it would be author Rich Monroe. Awesome. Which is my middle name. So, we were actually going to talk a little bit about.

We had kind of planned on talking about the JFK thing in particular, but I think kind of where, you know, some of the things that we had talked about the other night, you know, it's just, you know, the more we talked, and Rich and I and Sherry had a conversation, but the more we talk and everything that's kind of going on with today is, you know, we thought it was a little more important to kind of talk about as many subjects or at least all the hot topics right now and maybe touch on some of the old ones. But, but Rich, your book, what is it, what does your book talk about?

and kind of how do you compare your book with what's going on? And how long ago did you write the conspiracy diaries? I started about, oh, a year, year and a half ago, and I finished it up around the first of this year, first of January. Okay. And the thing that's different about my book is that it's really not so much a compilation or an information dump on the Kennedy assassination.

if anything, it's more of a memoir. So I think that that's important, and I stress it in the prologue, possibly I should have stressed it more in the little promotion I've done for the book, because some people go into it expecting to be blown away with new information on the third Oswald or something like that, and it's just not at all what it's about. You know, the first chapter, and periodically through the book, I refer to my experiences as a J. K researcher

presenter way back in the 70s. And Lason experiences, memoirs, and also plenty of conspiracy information intertwined with it and also some anecdotes and then, of course, some commentary. So it's

a different, you know, but I'm happy with how it came out and it was very enjoyable to read much, I mean, to, sorry to write. much more enjoyable than if I'd sat down to write a big, you know, treatise on all the evidence in the JFK assassination. But, you know, the thing that's important about the JFK assassination is for many, many of us, it's kind of the first opening that a lot of people have had

into the whole realm of, you know, truth, investigations, you know, the pursuit of truth, looking at the media and just re-out. in a different way and not necessarily digesting what's been put out for us to consume. So the JFK assassination, I think, was very pivotal. Now, for younger generations, I think, you know, the trade towers was a pivotal event that woke a lot of people up. And now, of course, we have this pandemic, which, in my opinion, the big three are JFK trade towers and what we're dealing with now.

I agree. I agree. Yeah, do you see, you know, from your time in, you know, say for example, the 80s and 90s, you know, I know you said you were kind of, you know, big in the JFK thing in the 70s and so on, but do you feel like there's just a massive amount of, it just seems like everywhere we turn, everything almost sounds like a conspiracy theory. And it's like, you know, back in the day, I guess you didn't have as many, whether that's because of media or whatever, but. I mean, don't you think that it's just we're in a time that there's so many,

not just conspiracy theories, but it's almost really hard for them to keep the ones that they don't want to come out as true, true. It's a hard time for them to be able to keep the lid on a lot of that stuff. Yes, but that brings up a pretty important point that I stress, and even in my book, which is conspiracy transparencies, which is a concept that's been gaining, ground amongst some, instead of calling them conspiracy theorists, I like to call them like philosophers, because really, once you get to a certain point, it becomes more of a pursuit of truth and a philosophy. But this transparent concept, which again is gaining ground, is that these clues are put

there for us intentionally, and that the conspiratorial nature of most events are designed for us to discover over time. You know, it's not like everybody just, boom, you know, revelation to everyone. But over different segments of the population at different times, but it has really increased a lot, I must say. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'd say, you know, if you had to pick a year, 2000 probably, you know, 2012.

I mean, things have just exponentially increased. and but I think that most things as they occur and the Kennedy assassination to me is a great place to start and look at the evidence and there's just so much evidence that just shouts conspiracy I mean everything you know proves that it was not what we were told it was and on the other side there's nothing there's no evidence whatsoever that proves the case of Oswald being the lone assassin. So it's that lopsided. You know, if it was a little bit more, you know, and the only thing that makes it not seem lopsided is that the media and the authorities are

constantly telling us no conspiracy, loan assassins, no conspiracy. While they're showing us every single bit of every shred of it, shows that it was. And then that gets into, well, why is that being done? And again, then we go down a few more levels and have to put on a philosopher and think, why could they be doing that on purpose? Because I think the one thing that seems really apparent, particularly after this last election, is that whoever they are, the powers that shouldn't be, whatever you want to call them,

are firmly in control. There is not a snowball's chance that suddenly there's going to be this upwelling of this uprising of truthers and we're going to like chase them down the street with torches and stuff. It's just not going to happen. So as this occurs,

as things become, as power becomes more and more entrenched, it's time, and I think this is what they're doing, is they're playing another game, a game where they're, messing with our souls. They're messing with our abilities to live as free, happy, sovereign people. And I think that's the game now. But anyway, yeah. So that's the long answer to your

question about everything being a conspiracy now. I do think you're right it is. But I would add that I believe it's meant to fall apart all their narratives. Exactly. Yeah. Is Yeah, you had a great description there. And, you know, the thing is, is the people or the powers that be have gotten a lot smarter over the years. And they've gotten a lot more, I guess, centralized and they've gotten a lot more organized. And, you know, one of the other things that I believe the powers that be, and I truly believe that at least in the United States, I can't speak in other countries and so on and so forth. But at least in the United States, I believe, that not only have they, there is a, there is a force that is behind the scenes that is controlling all of the agenda, the narrative, and everything else that's going on.

But, you know, one of the things that they are really, they've really gotten right on this one is they have kind of power played big tech. And I'm just talking about just on what, just the state of our country right now. Big Tech, their agenda on the woke society, you know, you look at media, they're owned by, I believe, a lot of the powers that be that are behind a lot of the craziness is going on. But on top of that, they've also found a way to silence their opposition in any way, shape, or form. Which then, you know, so then the people that aren't really into the things like finding truth or whatever, just believe everything on the media, well, now you have these media companies. companies NBC and CNBC, which is a subsidiary ABC, all of these, CNN. I mean, you name it. They have, and, you know, it's not political.

I'm just saying they have, they're all owned by these people behind the scene. And they're owned by money. Yeah, it's all elitism. But they found a way to basically silence their opposition. And this is just looking at from my side of view. You know, and look, there are probably people on here that agree with everything, you know, that it said. And we've always said on this podcast, we're going to tell you exactly how we feel. It may not necessarily be how everyone feels.

But I don't, I feel like everything we've said on our podcast up until now has always been, you know, there's been a few people going to like, well, I don't agree with that. Okay, well, good. But that's, I'm glad we're, you know, we're on a podcast platform. And you can say you don't agree. And we have freedom of speech team and talk about it. And I'm not going to cancel you or I'm not going to ban you, right? But don't you think, though, Rich, that, you know, maybe the reason why the things, and honestly, I'll just say right now, I believe, especially the United States, but it's just in a whole, this world, but especially the United States right now, is in one of the worst positions, at least looking forward that we've ever been. Now, I'm not saying that we've not had bad times. We have. Slavery was awful. All of the other wars were awful.

all the things that have happened bad in our history is awful. But what I am saying is since those things, I believe we're looking in a very dim light for our country. And I believe that it's because they've gotten better and they have the technology to do so. Would you agree with that or disagree? 100%. I agree.

And I would add that this has been years in the making. Back in the 70s, when my colleagues and I and our mentor, a gentleman named Vincent Salandry, Vincent Salandry, a wonderful gentleman. Back then, you know, we were talking about the one-world government in how that the Kennedy assassination and what had gone on in the 60s was, you know, laying the foundation for something that, you know, would take like 50 years for fruition, you know, from the Kennedy assassination, but it had been going on since before then.

But I think what's happened, what we're seeing now is it took a number of years to get most of the world on board. You know, there'd be populist leaders, you know, let's say in Italy or in some other country, you know, that's like, hey, we're not going to go along with this. And it's taken years and years to kind of weed out the populists and the people that didn't want to, you know, they felt there was value in having a nation state with integrity and sovereignty. And it's just taking them time to system. And they're very patient. And one of the things that I talk about in my book that I think is an essential component of what you're talking

about and how this has come to be is that we've had, we've been socially engineered from, from before the Kennedy assassination, where the people, the elites understood very wisely that to maintain an increased power that they needed to control the hearts and minds of the people they rule. And so they have set into, they constructed years ago and they've developed and they continue to develop this very, very brilliant, but, you know, very very. nefarious, brilliant strategy of just undermining the human mind and the souls and the way we think by engineering, just a number of very, very intricate deceptions. And one of the quotes that I think to include in the social engineering idea is one that William Casey,

who was the head of the CIA under Ronald Reagan back in the 80s. This is a, one of his most famous quote is this, we will know that our mind control, I'm sorry, we will know that our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false. That's what William Casey said in the 80s. Gosh, that's scary. And I think, yeah, and they've been going on that.

You know, just so many things I've found out. that I used to think was real history, you know, things that actually occurred, turned out to be creations, not even real. I mean, things were really, but I think so many of these things were designed to fall apart over time. So I don't say, I think one thing that we truth seekers need to get through our noggins is sometimes, because our mentor of Vincent Salernary told us years ago, he said, You know, guys, he goes, you don't have to be smart to figure this stuff out because in our presentation in the beginning, we would kind of have that attitude like, yeah, this, this can look at this, the single bullet theory and disproving blah, blah, blah, and all this stuff. And then you realize, wait a minute, a five-year-old could grasp this stuff.

You know, when they come out with a murder weapon, the day of the assassination, and say, hey, it's a German Mouser, we got it, it was up there in the assassin's lair, and then the next day. they go, um, here it is. Yeah, that wasn't it. This is what it is. You know, and you don't, you don't do that. And people say, oh, they botched it. The Keystone cops, no, that was intentional. You know, they had years to plan this thing, and you don't change the murder weapon the next day.

Unless you want a small segment of people to go, hey, that's bullshit. How can they do that? Wait a minute. So, anyway. But in the book, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Sorry. I was going to say in the book I mentioned, one of the chapters in my book is called Engineering Society.

And I start out with a WikiLeaks definition of social engineering. And it come right out and say it. This is a Wikipedia, I'm sorry, not Wikileaks. This is the Wikipedia definition of social engineering. Social engineering is a discipline in social science that refers to the efforts to influence particular attitudes and social behaviors on a large scale, whether by governments, media, or private groups in order to produce desired characteristics in a targeted population. I mean, they come right out and say it. Oh, my God. I mean, come on.

Rich, I'm in shock right now with everything. Well, you know, Rich, the funny thing, what you talk about? I mean, it's just crazy. You talk about that, though, it's like a targeted population. Right now, like in the United States, I believe you have two targeted populations. You got one side and you got the other, right? So they're social engineering both sides right now. Which side do you referring to?

Well, I guess, okay, well, I'll just put it this way. Well, actually, no. We thought about left and right? Well, yeah, left and right. Yeah, left and right. I actually don't even know that it's actually. two sides. So maybe I'm wrong here. But what I will say is, is, you know, the black, okay, well, look at the Black Lives Matter movement and look at the Antifa movement and look at, you know, Antifa. Aqueon, Aqueon or whatever is going on. Well, QAnon. I'm not a big fan of QAnon. Sorry for the people that are listening to Q&ONN. I call them Ackon. I don't know what their names were.

But at the same time, what I will say about QAnon is that, you know, they have made QAnon out to be like this radical terrorist group. And although if you go to their website and really, look at kind of what they're actually about. Now, they have had some things out there. They're kind of crazy, but they're crazy to, I mean, shit, they were, you know, they weren't, but, you know, like Alex Jones is one of them to kind of come out with the elite pedophile ring, and now we're talking, now we're starting to see stuff about Bill Gates and the reason they're divorced and obviously you have Epstein. But these are the radical groups of every radical part there is, I guess.

But the social engineering specifically, yeah, is what I'm talking about, is they're making basically their population, I would say Democrats, right now in this country and really the past four years since Trump's been in. They are making their people believe that all Trump supporters, conservatives, Republicans, whites, or anyone that is not on their extreme left agenda are white supremacist and racist. Exactly. Yeah, I agree. That all cops are killers of black people and they're hunting them. And this was controlling the hearts and minds what you were just talking about.

Yeah, and it's crazy. A way to change their characteristics around what they, Right. And what's weird is, like, Rich has been doing this since the 1970s, and this has been, like, a thing that happens. Like, I just think they probably gotten smarter. Yeah, Rich, do you believe that in the 70s, especially even around the JFK thing or elections, do you believe that they were smart enough to even do this type of stuff nowadays? I think they were, they've always been smart. I just don't think they were as, the system hadn't been as sophisticated. and it wasn't in place, but they were on the move, for sure, back in the 70s. But I just don't think they, now to make matters worse, you know, they've infiltrated pretty much every country in the world.

They have AI systems that are now online and activated and bringing all this about. So, as you said, you know, things have really gone, you know, parabolic in the last few years. And I think it's because it's taken a while to integrate all the way. these systems. And, you know, back to what you were saying about the left and right, there's a word that I just came across recently, and it's a fancy kind of social engineering words I just stumbled across, and it's called ismogenesis. It sounds pretty, you know, pretty high saluting. Yeah. So what it basically means, it's the systematic creation of division amongst people's not just of ideas and beliefs, but of perception.

And, you know, this schismogenesis has been something that the controllers have been working on for years in years. So even back, I have a chapter in my book where I talk about the Beatles of all things. And I know this sounds pretty out there, but hopefully I gave enough explanation. and evidence in the book is that the Beatles and rock music in general was actually assisted. You know, I can't say it was 100% engineered, but the Tabistock Institute and the social engineers and the CIA and intelligence agents in Europe pushed the whole rock agenda to totally transform society.

Wow. And I was part of it. I mean, believe me, I went to rock festivals back in those days, and I was as crazy as anyone, and I was doing drugs. But at that time, I was led to think that I was rebelling from, you know, the evil war system. But in reality, it's not. You know, and I learned more about Timothy Leary and his involvement with the CIA and how, you know, the whole LSD and psychedelics. That whole thing was not as organic as we've been led to believe. it was just a bunch of crazy hippies,

you know, finding their power. We've been, so, to me, that was a social engineering event that transformed society and put us on the fast track

to become kind of liberal, to integrate the family, to, you know, and sure there was a lot of fun things involved in that process, but overall, it left us more exposed to, you know,

the soft underbelly would be more vulnerable now to all the other stuff they're bringing in because our families weren't as strong and because we were open we started thinking openness with some big virtue you know what i mean yeah it's it's funny yeah there's no right and wrong anymore yeah it's right and what's right is wrong or wrong is right nowadays where we are now yeah yeah it's it's crazy um yeah and it's funny you were talking about because i i you know these festivals and stuff like no doubt i i i've There are so many songs that have lived on and become iconic songs that are very socially engineering type songs. There are songs that have made a mark in society.

Against war and everything. Against war. Yeah, you think about, you know, the, you know, during the, during the, uh, yeah, during the Vietnam era. Yeah. Yeah. Um, all this stuff. And, I mean, and all those things caused, you know, and I guess, Rich, you know, one of the things, I guess you somewhat got to think about it is, you know, in a lot of of ways, you know, back then, the best avenue they had to manipulate the population in some

ways, or, or at least try to bring a certain group of people towards a certain consensus would be music or, or movies, because, you know, you didn't have social media, you didn't have, you had media, but a lot of it was newspaper and, you know, so on and so forth. Nowadays, it's like everything, everything is, like our whole entire lives, we, we always wondered what, what would be the detriment of social media and our cell phone that we're attached to the hip with. You know, like the average person, if they go and do a voice search on their phone, well, most of their phone searches go to Google. And so, you know, we've been, we were taught growing up once, you know, since we had

smartphones, they even called them smart phones, that whatever our phone said was, you know, you're essentially smarter because you have it. And so you, you were made to trust everything this internet said, especially Google, because they made their presence known. And nowadays, literally, I do not use Google on anything because I know everything I'm reading is the only thing they're going to put on the top. And I know this for a lot of reasons. Number one, if I have an opinion on something as good as a marketer and as good as a website guy as I am,

because we do have travel websites and stuff that are number one listed travel websites for our state and whatever, I know how Google's algorithm works. I also know that when I talk about a topic that is against a particular agenda or against a particular thing, whether it be an article or whatever, you will never find it. And that's being on a top tier website that has a domain authority that's extremely high. You know, you will not find it because it's their thing. But it's all now AI engineered to where they've got this mathematical equation in. It says, how are we going to make sure that people believe this one thing? where we're only going to list these websites.

And if these websites don't have this topic and this many keywords in it, well, we're not putting it in there. Right. Their bots basically know whether they're for or against a particular topic. They know whatever. And they don't even got to. But it's just crazy that that was happening like where he's talking about. Yeah, for example, Rich, I'll give you a good example.

So, and we're going to briefly talk about the coronavirus pandemic and everything this went on with that. But so. the Daily Mail, and I actually heard this on Fox News, and so for the people that, you know, listen to CNN, emacemacy, and whatever, they're probably going to, oh, yeah, it's Fox News, yes, it's lie. Well, I did some research, and I was like, I couldn't believe what I was hearing on Fox News the other day. And actually, it was, it was one of the, you know, the thing I'll give Fox News credit on is they

have, they actually have quite a few, you know, news personalities on the station. that would piss off conservatives or Republicans on many different topics. Even on their highly conservative shows, they have Democrat host as like one of the four or one of the three or whatever. So when I heard this, I was like, okay, well, you know, it's Fox News. Let me go research this a little further.

Even though I do believe Fox News was not putting out propaganda. I know they're the one stand. standing alone kind of news agency right now against Democrat-led news agencies being CNN, MSNBC, ABC, you name it. Whether you agree with a Republican or Democrat, I'm just saying that's kind of the way it is. And so they were talking about that China had been preparing for World War III for the past six years. And so I went and looked it up on on dailymail.uk.uk.com.com.com. I found an article besides the Fox article. and there was actually quite a few articles that's starting to come out

and it says China was preparing for a third world war with biological weapons including coronavirus six years ago according to dossier produced by the People's Liberation Army in 2015 and it was uncovered by the U.S. State Department. They went on to say that Chinese scientists had been preparing for this war for literally six years and that this bombshell paper was

actually assessed by the U.S. State Department, and it was the core weapon for victory, as what they were saying in such a conflict, was COVID-19. And it was even outlining the perfect conditions to release a bioweapon and document the impact it would have on the enemy's medical system and economy.

Okay? And this is in the Daily Mail. So we were talking in the first part of the show about, you know, the media pushed hard on, and Democrats, really we're like, oh no, this is not from a lab. You're crazy. No, this is, this is, this is, this is bats. Bats did it, you know. We even actually talked to a market. Yeah, we even talked to a doctor that was, he's over Colorado. I'm not even going to say, I'm not even going to say, I'm not even

going to say, we, we did an interview with this guy, and we didn't, we never released this interview. I didn't agree with most of what he said, even though I'm not a doctor. But I didn't agree with most of what he said. And most of what he actually said on the interview was actually came out to be faults in a lot of ways, honestly. But one of the things he was saying, well, yeah, it came from bats and blah, blah, even though you listen to virologists around the world.

Right, and this is when it first came out. You listen to the virologists around the world. They say the bat human transmission is extremely hard. Like almost impossible. It's impossible for it to be what it is based on a single, you know, transmission, so on and so forth. But this paper and this article, and this article, says right here, China was preparing for a third world war. Are we already in it and we don't know it yet? And better yet, I mean, you know, think about it. Dr. Falci, and this is a fact, Dr. Falci, which has been telling the United States people and Bill Gates and all these people, they've been the one the media has been pushing an everybody's face saying this is what you have to do is our people. But yet they have both funded this lab for the past two or three years.

Yeah. So do you not think they would have any idea about that? I mean, it just sounds weird to me. Well, you know, it's hard for me to say, I don't think most people do. If people are basically getting their opinions and their information from mainstream media, no, I imagine that they've never even considered what you're saying. But I think it goes deep. And in my opinion, you know, I, I, I imagine that they've never even considered what you're saying. But I think it goes deep. And in my opinion, you know, I find I just find fault, even with some of the conservative media, because I believe in this concept called controlled opposition. And that I think that there's just so much layers of deception going on. It's really like when you talk about China, here's my updated idea of China, is that

there, you know, we've for years had this thought of oh, World War III nuclear war, China, Russia, and this stuff. Well, I've come to believe that China, from the way back when I was a teenager back in the 60s, that, you know, when Nixon

and went and Kissinger went to China, you know, China was a very, very backward, different culture completely. you know, very much, you know, they had horse-driven plows and, you know, they had no industry. And what I think happened in the 60s was that the elite guys who were in the process of forming this world government basically approached the Chinese and said, hey, how about if we give you all kinds of financial support, industrial support, we're going to make your country into the biggest economic power? and you know you're going to have you particularly the kind of chinese communist party you guys are going to be like you know really you know rich number one the only different thing the only thing is

we kind of call the shots here so we're going to create this this illusion that you're our enemy but you know you guys are us i mean you know the chinese communist party is the deep state you know we we're one we control you and when if there's what you're what you're you and when if there's never happens, whether it's COVID or any other kind of thing. It's basically the Chinese are acting as whatever you want to say. Lackies, you know, errand boys for the big, the big internationalist. So, you know, it's, yeah, anyway, that's just my concept of China. And China's doing it and kind of, I mean, you're saying the same thing that America's kind of doing that too, but it's all based on like these elite list.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's elite people. Yeah, the elitist. They're the ones that are in control. Yeah, you've touched on a one world government. We've talked a lot about that on the podcast. Do you feel like that's an actual thing that's kind of trying to take shape? Do I feel it's natural? Yeah, I mean, well, no, is it taking shape?

Yeah, is it really happening? Do you believe that there is a push for a one-world system? I think it's more evident than ever now. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, and that's the old term, you know, that we, you know, one world now, they just call it, you know, globalism. And yeah, I mean, I think it's basically, you know, behind everything. I mean, when you had, you know, I was down in Argentina last year when the pandemic just was starting to emerge. And within like a few short weeks, the entire world was marching in lockstep together.

you know, with the same, different degrees, obviously, but, you know, and as much as I love living where I lived down in Argentina, they came down so hard. And I was worried about, you know, I was kind of trapped down there, and there was no more flights. So anyway, but I got out of there. and when I came back to the states, I was kind of glad in a sense because, you know, back there, I mean, there were cops on the streets, roadblocks, stopping people. If you were riding your bike, you couldn't, you know, you weren't allowed to leave the house except for three days a week to get groceries and it had to be your day on your number on your ID. So anyway. And when was this? Sorry, Rich, when was this?

This was in March of 2020. Wow. But for it to happen, almost overnight, all over the world, shows an incredible degree of cooperation and coordination. And if you believe it came from China, it's kind of weird how they got the whole world locked up very quickly, right? Yeah. No, it's funny. I think it's it takes a little bit of of rethinking to start thinking China as, you know, not these, you know, Chinese guys that don't like us and stuff like that they're operating under the total direction of guys that aren't Chinese, you know, that are directing this whole thing. And it makes sense.

Under the elites. You know, Korea. Do you think it's elites? I think that that's... Yeah. Do you think it's an elite who it's operating them? Who do you think is pulling the strings and all this? I mean, you talk about China.

You said they're not operating under China. They're operating under who? Under the deep state. Under the technocratic, globalist, you know, you could call them governmental, because they are governing. They're just not, you know, democratic. You know, they basically seize power. One of the things, you know, we even talked about back in the Kennedy assassination, is to go back to the transparency, please.

Why are they obviously making, why are they showing us that it wasn't Oswald, all the while they're saying it was, why are they showing this extensive conspiracy? And I break it down into, this is kind of the level one breakdown, which is the people that can't see it, even though it's put right in front of their face, all this evident, they're going to listen to what the authorities say. Those are the order takers. And they're being conditioned to see less. Right.

Because when you put it right in front of their face and they can't see it and they still believe what they're being told, even though they're being shown something different, they are being groomed to be less and less aware. Now you have the people like us who are going, wait a minute. This doesn't make sense. Mm-hmm. That's good, holy smack! They actually, oh, God. And so what we're getting conditioned is to see, yep, we did it, and it's pretty darn scary, isn't it?

Now, you can speak out if you want, or you can be like the Soviet intellectuals back in the Stalin era, and you can keep your mouth shut, and you can be very afraid now. Be very, very afraid. So you have the people that can't see it, they're being conditioned to be blind. The people that can see it, they're being conditioned to be blind. scared and then you have a small a small percentage of people that are professionals professionals in education military science government and they they see holy crap wait a minute this this isn't this this isn't what really happened this guy oswald and then they're get to them it's like an

an invitation to join the team because they see, holy crap, these people are real. These people did it and they're getting away with it. And, hmm, wow, and I just got, I just got an invitation for this, this group that is inviting me to be, it's like, holy shit, I can be a player on this team. This team is going to, this team is going to win. And so I think that's a third very small percentage of people.

actually were able to see what the JFK assassination was. And they decided for, you know, for whatever reason, their families, their career. They knew that if they spoke out, that all that could be very, very much, you know, at risk. Because if they joined up became part of the winning team, they'd be, you know, they could go, they could overcome the guilt and the, any, any ramifications of, you know, feeling bad about their choice. It's funny you say that because I kind of compare it. to now. It's like, you know, nowadays they're saying anybody that has a like or that has a

different opinion or a different belief than we do, well, then you're going to get banned and you're going to do this and you're going to do that. But if you believe in everything we do and you say everything we say and you just listen to us and believe us, you have all the privileges. You know, you, uh, you, you can post, you can do whatever you want. People are making that choice in, in droves. And I think as it be. comes, you know, the pressure increases over the next year. I think you're going to see more and more people kind of deciding, well, you know, I think, you know, I think I might as well just go along, go along with it.

That's scary. So scary. Well, just like my mom, for example, she, you know, watches the, you know, nightly news, whatever's on. So does mine. You know, she's like, whatever's on the news, that's what she believes. That is fat. And then I'm telling her, like, mom, no, this is what's happening.

happening like listen to this she's like sure you're crazy at first like no but the way but at first yeah but she's like you know you're like out of this world you're crazy that's not what they're saying you're totally wrong and then it comes to a point she's like can you tell can you like cite your sources and can you like send them to me so i can have my husband yeah because see them because as long as they see what's in the media that's what they believe and it's a hundred percent fact to them yeah But what Rich is saying is this has been happening for like a long time and we had no idea. No, yeah. Well, you know, one of the ideas that I know it sounds a bit out there, but I think I have become more and more interested in looking at the kind of metaphysical or esoteric aspects of all this because it seems like it's the only course.

And also it seems like that's where the solutions might be, you know, in spirituality. But some of the people that I've been communing with intellectually have been coming up with this idea that most people are under a certain type of spellcraft. And that, you know, because I used to say it was programming, mind control, blah, blah, blah, you know. And that's true. But I think on a spiritual level, it's really spellcraft. And some people just absolutely last. the ability to to even digest or grok any of this information because it goes against their spell that's been put on their ability to think exactly and if it's not on the news I don't

believe it and that's the spell but that's the reason I think it's important for those of us that can see to hold firm and realize this is ultimately a spiritual battle in whatever you think of as as spiritual and

you know I have this one thing I just wrote down for our talk here and I wrote down the ability to care about the truth and then to perceive truth and evolve in our understanding of truth is ultimately a spiritual quest. Spirituality

doesn't exist in a paradigm of religious concepts. Staying open to a deeper understanding of reality and keeping one's heart open as we experience a wide gamut of deceptions is an essential aspect of spirituality. So I think it's important that we understand that looking at truth and pursuing truth, no matter how uncomfortable it can be, is really, it's a important. positive spiritual action. And therefore, when we see what's going on, particularly as it pertains to, you know, what's going on now, that we hold fast because the consequences of folding could be pretty

profound more so than whatever they're going to dish out for those of us who don't go along with. Absolutely. Chad, I know you want to go, but go ahead. No, no. I'm going to remember what I was going to say. Yeah, I was just, yeah, I mean, you make a great point. It's just, I guess, you know, the pursuit of truth nowadays is not that hard to find either, Rich. And I think, oh, I mean, it is harder for a lot of people.

But what I'm saying is if, you know, just in our current situation in the United States, I'm not even going to go into detail about what it is. But what I am saying is that if you just look at facts and, you know, just basic statistics on certain topics, maybe some of the most popular topics in our country, right? Those are things that if you look at the actual facts of it and just do a little thinking for five minutes and not just go along with the media, which is what we do. I mean, that's literally, you know, our podcast is we take everything we can possibly take as many accounts of everything as we can take. And we kind of compile it and make a mathematical equation on, okay, what is accurate? What is not?

But, you know, when you can really look at stats and statistics, and people, and by the way, anybody can look at stats and statistics. But there's so many people that still choose not to look at those. They would, they, even if they can and they know they can, they don't want to look at them. Don't matter what it is, what it's about. They don't care about the facts. They don't care about statistics. They don't even care about the truth. I guess that's where puppets come from.

They want their truth. Yeah, they want to know they're doing a good thing. Yeah, and they want their version of the truth. Yeah. And you know what? And I don't, I forgot what I was going to say now, but I think that, you know, all people want to do good. You know, all people are here to do good. Well, I don't think all people want to do good now.

No, I'm saying like the people, the majority of the people that don't know what's going on, you know, and then just go with whatever they're told to do. I don't think they're meaning to, like, look another way and say, I don't believe you. Maybe you're right. I don't know. I think that they just listen to the media. It's social engineering. They listen to what's important. It's like you were saying before that was like, what was it called?

Social engineering, right? Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's important that as we are entering a time when, oh, we've been in it for a while now, where there is this divide and conquer agenda just continually being put out, that it's really important that as much as it's easy to kind of cast aside, and give up on the people that don't see things the way we do. It's important to understand that at some level, you know, we are, you know, we're all

are human and we are, you know, connected together. And so it's important, I think, to have patience and to not fall prey to the propaganda that's trying to get us, because I really believe that even on the right, that there's a, There's a ton of people disinfo, tons of disinfo. And there's tons of disinfo. And there's tons of people that are deliberately working to bring things to a head. You know, out in the West here, you know, we have, you know, all kinds of people and a lot, mostly good people. But, you know, I've come to suspect a few people are actually there to, to, to throw guns.

kerosene on the fire and to make things to make things worse you know we call it agent provocateur yeah yeah the last the last thing we need is for uh you know civil war because if there is anything like that you know who's going to come out on top you know and it ain't going to be the people yeah it's going to be the elites yeah yep so i think it's important and the thing the thing i even say about disinfo is that you know I've been caught up numerous times

in disinformation I think a good example is the whole Pizza Gate thing I do not I do not for one second dispute the fact that at some level there is

child trafficking and all kinds of really nefarious things going on that we have no clue about. But when you have that and you have a sophisticated intelligence being able to weave all kinds of webs of deception, what better thing to do than to put out a fault story about self-trafficking? Give it a lot of traction, get the conspiracy people all excited about it, and then have it fall flat on its face, and then what's accomplished? Well, the truth seekers end up looking like asses.

The people that didn't want to even believe them now think that they really are asses and everything else they say is baloney. And then you also have the people that are doing the actual child trafficking, they get off scot-free. Exactly. We just proved that didn't exist. We're dead. So this is the level of sophistication that's in the news cycle, and unfortunately, it's not just

in, you know, left-wing control media. It's in the right, and it's in the... Yeah. And they're basically, they're playing us... Yeah, and they're... I feel like what you're telling me, though, too, is they're playing us against each other. Yeah.

Yep. Yeah, it's a crazy thing, because, yeah, you're right. The Pizsigate thing... They want us to be separated. Yeah, the Pizsigate thing was so crazy. They even talked about the, you know, the elites in the Pizsigate thing. And they talked about, you know, oh, well, you know,

Here's the elites, and they're all running a child sex trafficking thing through a pizza place. And like you said, it was, oh, no. And then when it came out, I was like, how ridiculous is this? That elites are child traffickers and all these child. But then, you know, not long after that, you know, Epstein came out, well, they got rid of him fast. Now you get, now you have, you know, Bill and Melinda Gates getting divorced in which I had no idea what it was about. But now Melinda Gates is saying that it has something to do. an inside source saying that it has something to do

possibly with his relationship with Epstein. Yeah, it could be. It could be. But again, you know, I would encourage people when it comes to almost anything that comes out of the news stream is like, just like what you mentioned about Bill Millenicates. It's like, it's like, you know, my response is like, yeah, maybe, you know. I mean, maybe they split up.

Maybe this is why. Maybe it's about Epstein. Or maybe it's the whole, maybe, because I'm pretty convinced that Bill Gates in general is one of these characters that's been given all kinds of illusory power and influence that he doesn't really have. I think he's more of a towel boy for something much bigger. And he's been attributed to, oh, he's bringing, he's doing this vaccine and he's doing that. And he's this billion, zillion dollar rich guy. And I think he's just a front man. And it was, and it was, we buy into it.

I've bought into it as much as anybody. Like, oh, that Bill Gates, damn, man, you know. You don't think he's one of the elites. Well, I think he is, but I think he's a... I think he is, too, but I think he's been made to appear way more powerful than he actually is. I think the pharmaceutical corporations and all these people have way, you know, they hate Bill, you know. They've used him as a pawn. We want you to say this.

And, you know, sure, there's tons of money. involved and then builds one of them no doubt yeah i just don't think he is really anywhere near is powerful is powerful so in other words like if you're playing chess he would be on pawn right yeah he's more of a pawn than anything yep yeah and all these little all these little elitist groups are always going to be you know they're they're gonna they're gonna have these figureheads out of out of who are they like who are these people that we talk about like we'll never know, I guess, because, you know. Well, I mean, in some ways we kind of know

sometimes, or at least kind of think sometimes here and there, but I do believe these little groups of elitists. I don't know who they are. Well, the point is, though, is that I think these groups that are either politically driven, monetarily driven, whatever the case may be.

Well, I think these groups are always going to be more powerful than single rich elitist. I think these elites are part of it. Do you guys think the tech guys are part of this stuff? Yes, absolutely. I mean, I think I think those guys are just a little finger on that whole system. I think it's complicated. I miss that. Which guys?

Well, she was saying that the big tech guys, Facebook, Zuckerberg, all these. I mean, I think they're big fingers on the whole system. There may not be the system, but they may be a part of it, a finger. Yeah. I think big tech getting involved and kind of coming online is what we've experienced in the last, you know, four or five years, you know, with censorship, with another term that gets thrown around in certain conspiracy circles is clown show, to the point now where when you watch the stuff that's going on, it's a clown show. And it's just like, it's like, what?

How can anybody believe this stuff is what it's being, you know, they take it seriously. It's just a freaking nutshell. And, of course, you know, some of the people, again, like, say maybe on the left, they were so, you know, conditioned to have Trump derangement syndrome. You know, that was something that was engineered so that they were so freaked over Trump. Now that Biden's in there and he's doing some of the, you know, stumbling and, I mean, some of the gaps he's made. That's all normal for them. Unbelievable. but they're so

blind to it and that that blindness has been again engineered so that so now it's the right wing's turn to be totally freaked out by the president like oh my God and you know they're they're

totally what I think is there's a lot of Ds that go into what I think is going on now people are being demoralized they're being degraded they're being divided they're being distracted and there's about three or four more

that I can't think of the D's are coming out It's all the D's You know what I think is unprecedented Here is my opinion On just We talk about the country We talk about this

But this is unprecedented Because what I'm What I'm going to say is Is that Our elections have been voted on based on Whatever However you want to vote

on it, whether it be campaigns around your cities or since the beginning of our time. I mean, there's always been campaigns and, you know, grassroots as you would call it, going to these towns and going these cities and the newspapers and doing whatever. But it's like now, you know, it's a huge deal when a social media company bans a president and not only bans a president and ex-president, that could potentially run again. And the big issue with that is, is that it may not just stop at Trump. whether you hate or love Trump, if there is any

conservative run-inmate this going forward, and I know it sounds crazy, but if there's any, if there's any, not even conservative, if there's any, what if there was a Democrat they didn't like and they banned them.

Yeah, exactly. Which they would. It's all freedom of speech. If it's not into their agenda, they can basically now normalize banning that. And there is a massive... Some of their rules.

But there is a massive... Domestic terrorism or whatever. The amount of money Trump alone raised and how he got elected was heavily involved in social media, just like everybody else. There's so much involved in social media. But now that big tech is really, I mean, regardless of whatever you think, they're starting to decide our elections based on their decisions that they do. Upcoming to elections, what articles they share, don't share, what they're censoring, what they don't, who they ban, who they don't. They are in control. They're in the driver's seat of our country.

They are. And we as a people, we need to be afraid of that. Go ahead, Rich, sorry. And you know, one of the most important things, I think, around censorship in what you're talking about and what social media is doing is to appeal to the vast amount of liberals woke agenda people that are going along with all this stuff and to say, do you understand anything about the free speech movement back in the 60s? Back in the 60s, it was perceived to be the heart of liberal thought was free speech. There was a giant movement, start in Berkeley, California, of leftist radicals that would, you know, laying it down. We have to have free speech. Now you have people on the left and people listening to – one of my favorite targets, it must say, is national public radio,

which I used to listen to. And I think it's a very, very sophisticated program to brainwash people, really good people all over by appealing to their sense of sophistication and culture. And the politics that they bring in there is so controlled, so coming from the social engineering thing that the last thing. They would even think, well, you know, when it comes to, free speech, it's only important if it's the speech that we agree with, which is, you know, it's fundamentally wrong, and it's fundamentally going to bite them in the ass at some point,

because once you surrender, you're right to free speech. It's only a matter of time before things come around, and you're going to find yourself on the wrong side of authority. So I can't stress how serious it is for people on the left, You know, not to say I'm on the right here, but, you know, I think the right lately has had a little more openness to reality and what's going on. But, yeah, the left needs to understand free speech. We used to be called the leader of the free world. I haven't heard that idea, that expression in the last few years.

the United States was considered the bastion of liberty and like what's happened and we're just forgetting about it and I honestly think you know you look at free speech you got but you got to look at both sides

you got to let anyone say what they think I don't care what you're saying but nowadays if it's not if it's not for their particular agenda it's hate speech they call it or it's or it's or it's terror it's it's dangerous speech

domestic terrorism Yeah, and somehow we're going to get linked to right-wing terrorism. Like, there's not one thing in anything I've written or said that would be the remotely, you know, identified me with any of that. And yet, in this new climate that we have, someone that expresses, you know, ideas that go against what the system is presenting are now going to be labeled into this, you know, Nazi kind of thing. And a lot of people are too programmed to see it. Rich, you talked about, and we actually have never done a podcast on 9-11.

And we're going to have to bring him back with a lot of podcasts. Yeah, so we won't get too deep. But I'm assuming you know about Operation Northwoods, you know, the Cuba fake terrorism, you know, JFCD deal that, you know, we were going to fake terrorism, blame it on Cuba to invade them. and would you you know you said something about 9-11 would you would you think it had totally against it yeah jay k was against it

it was more of the defense whoever it was they're like we're gonna like we're gonna do these things and we're gonna and he brought it JFK and they're like yeah we're gonna he was like no yeah but do you believe that that could possibly

been anything to do with 9-11 I mean is 9-11 exactly how they said it no and again you know i think 9-11 is right there with the jfk assassination and the pandemic is one of the the three big ones and uh 9-11 uh operationally you know on the ground was nothing like you know the official story not not remun none of it you know the hijackers and all that stuff so um but Yeah, then there's different levels. There's different levels as to, well, what was really 9-11? And again, at some point, you got to put on your solospha hat as opposed to your Sherlock Holmes hat and pipe

and start looking in deeper in different areas. Right, right. 9-11 9-11 was was was a huge uh i don't know what i want to say you know yeah it's tough it's whatever you want to call it yeah yeah it's um yeah i mean it's scary yeah when you when you when you read operation we don't know yeah when you read operation northwoods you know yeah when you read operation northwoods and you start and you think you even think about 9-11 you're like holy shit you know like in most people if you even say anything about it like oh my my gosh, you're like a bad person to even think that.

And keep in mind, you know, Alex Jones, you know, did talk about Sandy Hook. And man, is he getting his ass reamed now for that as far as lawsuits go? And I think he talked about 9-11, too. Well, yeah, he has. But he also was one of the, actually, Alex Jones was one of the first to break the Epstein thing, actually. He'd been talking about it long ago. He's an interesting guy. I'm

all uncomfortable saying about Alex Jones at this point is I've learned a lot from him I think he puts out valuable information but I don't trust him I agree with you I don't trust them and I

I one of the chapters in my book that I came out with it's it's one of the less memoir chapters and more informational because I I will you know

warn people that you know if you're looking for meat on conspiracy, you'll get some, but hopefully you'll like some of my stories, too. You know, my life stories and things, which I include in there. But back in the Kennedy days, I had the fortune of my two friends and I, we just launched into becoming Kennedy assassination experts out of nowhere. You know, we were like 23 years old. and the next thing you know, we were working under the leadership of this guy, Mark Lane, who was the number one Kennedy assassination researcher guy in the world. And he had come out with a book called Rush to Judgment,

which was the first major, you know, bestseller, questioning the Kennedy assassination. and we set up his by ourselves, you know, under his guidance, we set up the Philadelphia chapter of his group. And then, strangely enough, during that time, we remember, we're 23 years old, and suddenly we were invited to go to Temple University in Philadelphia to debate Arlen Specter, who was the father of the single bullet theory, Kennedy thing. And, you know, and again, the thing I raised in the book, a lot of questions, it was, how does this happen?

I mean, what force in the universe or something is behind getting us, our little, you know, early stage to be debating Arlen Specter in a public forum? You know, it's just like this is kind of weird. Well, so that went down. So what happened with that? A month later, a couple months later, I'm in the Philadelphia Library. Got to read the book. With a bunch of Kennedy books.

And a lady comes up and taps me on the shoulder. She says, oh, I see you're interested in the Kennedy assassination. Like, oh, yeah. And she goes, hey, well, here, let me write this down. She gives me, writes a guy's name down in a number and says, call this guy. You'll be glad you did. And so, I go, well, whatever, okay. And the name was Vince Salandria.

And I called it Vince Salandria. He was a lawyer. a very respectable, you know, mainstream lawyer in Philadelphia, known by all the high society people. And he, you know, I said, hey, Vince, I was told, you know, and he goes, oh, yeah, I'm busy, though, whatever. But it come on over. And the first thing Vince said, you know, within like two or three minutes, when I mentioned, oh, yeah, we just set up the Philadelphia operation of Mark Lane's group. and he literally, you know, smoke was coming out of his ears within, you know, the first few minutes of meeting this guy.

And he was basically saying, you know, Lane was put there by the people that orchestrated the conspiracy from day one. He was appointed to be the lawyer for Oswald's mother. You know, two days after, you know, maybe Oswald was still alive or they hadn't shot him yet. So anyway, and so this. So I was at this point to go, wow, this guy's telling me some crazy stuff. Yeah. And little, you know, I told my friends who were part of our group,

we all met then, and within a matter of days, we were ready to split from Lane and go on a much more inspired and amazing conspiracy track through thanks to that lady meeting in the library. So it's that early. That is so crazy. Like if you would have never met that lady in the library, you would have never known that like other things coming your way. Oh, yeah.

It changed everything. And Vince was the guy who basically told us way back, you know, 23 years old, about the transparent. He called it the transparent conspiracy. In other words, oh, you think you're smart for figuring out that, you know, that Oswald wasn't the lone assassin. And he goes, no, everything is designed. for, as I mentioned, put those people asleep they can't see it, to get up fearful that can see it,

and also to recruit new people to join the team that can support that are in the position to be team members. So anyway, that's crazy. It is, it's just like, but it's so true. That's what happens. Yeah. So anyway, so people would go, well, wait a minute, what's the point? What is controlled opposition? because this guy, Lane, was put there to lead the opposition.

He was the captain of the worldwide movement to expose the Kennedy assassination, but he was one of them. So there you have it. I mean, that shows you the intricacies and the levels of deception. Yeah, it's mind-blowing. Like, seriously, it is. It's, it's funny. It's even for that guy.

I mean, it's, like I said, it's easier to silence people now. I mean, it's harder, but it's easier, if that makes sense. Well, we've come a long way, because back then, we were still thought of ourselves as the leader of the free world. And there was, you know, people, you know, from all the political spectrum, were saying, yeah, free speech is important. That's what sets it apart. That's what makes our republic good. And so we've come a long way since then, because now you literally have. almost a majority of people saying it doesn't really matter.

We just got to, you know, make sure that, you know, these bad people don't have a voice, you know? Yeah, and, you know, that's the thing about, like, our podcast is, like, it's been, it's been an amazing journey for us over the past three years. And I know that, you know, your time and, and this whole realm of things probably has been as well. But, you know, we've been, we've been very, yeah, we've been very lucky enough, like, over the past three years, we've got millions of of downloads and and tons of people that follow us, which we love each and every one of you. And, you know, Rich's book is amazing. You guys should definitely go check it out. And by the way, for everyone that doesn't know, Rich's book is going to be, we're going to have an article on this podcast, on our website and Buscarethpodcast.com. We're going to have in our social

medias. Most everybody finds our articles. But we're going to have that out tomorrow. We're going to have the link to buy the book to check it out it's a great read you guys should definitely read it um so i did want to point it oh i'm going to get it tomorrow i can't wait to read it yeah sherry has not read it i've i've not read all of it because we it was kind of a type but it was great what i read so far i think i think you have a really good way of um kind of expressing it's giving you the past in the present and like how it's like it's like almost an intermeagle it's what it's great yeah it sounds like um well you know and the thing is it's not to me it's not um it's not a boring read um um but It's something that, you know...

Well, if you're interested in this kind of thing, it's not going to be more... No, it's not at all. No, it's very... Yeah, it's just... You know what? You know kind of Rich what your book reminds me of? Is, you know, Rich's book is not like reading Wikipedia. It's more like reading a podcast. Well, and he has memoirs, and he's talking about, like, his thing and, like, how he sees it in personal stories. Like, I think that really adds to, like, a book.

And I think that's what's great about podcasts. I'll listen to a podcast in the shower or whatever, you know, or, you know, when we're in bed. Same thing. And I think there's so many books that's kind of missing that nowadays. That's why, I mean, I read. You need a personal touch. Like, you need to know the person that you're, like, reading. Yeah, exactly.

Rich, what do you think is the biggest, what do you think is the biggest threat to our world or just our country, if you want to say, like, now? Like, is there anything, is there any one conspiracy that could end us all? Is there, I know that sounds crazy, but. That's a big topic. Well, I think we're kind of seeing it now, unfortunately. I think I'm really concerned about the freedom for people to have sovereignty over their own bodies. And, you know, I remember, you know, a big thing. My liberal friends were always talking about our bodies ourselves.

And, you know, we have the rights over, you know. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Doug, what about that? I feel that is a very big threat right now. Personally, I love to travel. I've been traveling for 15 years all over the world, and I'm not kidding. It's made my legs so joyful. I've met some of the most amazing people.

And now I'm having to deal with the idea that I may never do that again. And, you know, I've had friends that don't see it. They go, oh, come on, three more months down the road. You'll be fun. But you don't know. And I'm saying, I don't know. I sure hope so, but I just don't see it. It's scary.

Yeah, it's a weird thing, man. It's a weird world we live in. And, you know, I believe these conspiracy theories are just going to keep coming. But Rich has got to keep traveling because this guy is smart and he's got to keep traveling and keep riding. Yeah, you do. You got to keep writing and keep traveling. Well, thanks. I'm working on a new book now, which has very no conspiracy.

and I'm really excited about it. It's something different, but the first book, you know, really kind of got my feet wet and got me thinking, yeah, I can actually do this. And I know the next time I put it out, I'm going to get a, you know, pay for an editor to help my, when I first put the book out, it had a few too many typos in it, and I realized, no, that's no good. If anyone orders a book now, it should be, you know, it's a more polished edition. Well, to me, if you don't have typos, you're not human. Yeah, you know, unfortunately, on a live podcast, we can't, we don't have an editor that can just edit it.

That's what's kind of interesting is everyone was like, why do you guys do it live? I'm like, just because, like, you know, we have a lot of listeners live. I mean, like the Ron James podcast, a couple of things. a couple nights ago, 9,000 listeners. And we got a bunch now, too. Yeah, so. That's great. You know, I like doing life.

As long as you have a couple typos, we know you're human, so don't worry about it. Hopefully, there won't, there's be hardly any I probably have typos in this podcast title. Especially, like, teachers, they want to, like,

call you out. Like, did you know, Rich that you spelled you wrong on page 28 218 on paragraph 3. Yeah, it's like social media. It's so funny. Like, I'll just watch people argue on social media and like their best comeback is like grammar correction.

Yeah. Do you not really know how to spell the capital? It's not C-A-P-I-T-A-L. It's O-L. Yeah, and it's backwards. Yeah. But Rich, man, thank you so much for coming on. It's been great.

We're definitely going to have you back on. We got to bring Rich. Rich, we have not even talked to you about, we haven't even talked to you about, like, your thoughts on aliens or any of that stuff. But we're going to do that definitely in a future podcast because that is one thing. Well, besides our JFK podcast, our biggest podcast. By far, I mean, it's got hundreds of thousands. Actually, I think it's over a million downloads on each of them now.

But, yeah, we're going to bring you back on to talk about, you know, maybe some alien stuff. See where your kind of thoughts are on that. And, you know, and there's always new things popping up. So we definitely want to have you back on. I suggest everyone go check out Rich's book, The Conspiracy Diaries. And Rich, what was the title going to be of your new book that you're working on? My new book is called A Night at the Night at the Shady Deal.

Okay. And it's mainly a book regarding. synchronistic events that are true events that I'm kind of tying together amongst within a small group of my friends back in the 70s and 80s. So it's a more fun book, I think. Although, hey, the first one I think is pretty fun. But anyway, I'm excited, and I just want to keep my nose to the grindstone and crank it out. Well, that's awesome.

Do you, where do you write your books, by the way? I'm always curious to ask authors. Like, I've always wanted to write a book. Are you like watching a beach while you're writing? Yeah, like where do you write your books? Like, where's your favorite place to like getting that mindset? Wherever I call home, my office, table with my computer, I don't do as well carting my laptop around. Even though I try, you know, I'll cart it around and you go to the library or a park and stuff.

But I seem to do better at home in the place that it was quiet. And again, I enjoy writing a lot. And I learned a lot from my wife who was a very good writer. Yeah, and you were telling us a lot about that. Just tell us real quick about your wife. Yeah, what was the... Because that was a sweet, sweet story. My wife was a poet for many years, a very good poet.

She'd won, you know, she'd gotten some recognition. and never had really published anything significant, but was really good. And then she decided, dang, and I'm tired of doing this poetry. Nobody gives a crap about poetry. So she started writing stories. And then she came to the point where she said, you know, I think if I made a blog about a famous American writer, like, you know, would be like either Hemingway or Steinbeck,

she goes, I think I think I could get people to read my writing. And she goes, wouldn't that be cool? And so she founded a blog called the Hemingway Project, which was the first major blog on Ernest Hemingway. And she took that thing to places you have no idea. I mean, you wouldn't have to be a Hemingway person or a person that had read Hemingway to really enjoy her blog. It had a lot of travel stuff in it. And she networked like I've never seen before where she had people in the Hemingway family loving her. And, you know, within just a few short years, she was getting invitations all over the world to travel and stay with people.

And I was just along for the ride. It was fun. That's crazy. That's amazing. You never know. You never know where your stuff is going to take you. I learned a lot from her. And then, of course, she had cancer and slowly succumb to cancer, but in a way that I never thought was imaginable, like how she rose to the occasion as she.

she was dying and and it was so we all learned a lot from her not just about writing what kind of cancer did she have she had breast cancer and uh we were down in uh panama at the time living in panama and and uh her her breast cancer came back because she we had a couple years where they said it was going to come back and and so we were just kind of like doing one of those you know whatever they call it run for your life kind of things where we were We were just doing everything she wanted to do. And, you know, money wasn't an object at that point because it was like, hey, she may never get to do this. And so, well, we were down in Panama, and she got hit hard just overnight.

One day we were hiking in the jungle. The next day, boom. You know, she's pretty much close to die, close to dead. And then we got her back to the States by a miracle because she was so bad they didn't want to put her on a plane. She got back to the States, and then it was like, yeah, you got a couple months. We've prepared here. You know, let's bring in hospice. And she was like, no, I'm not ready for hospice.

And she lasted three years. Oh, my God. They gave her three months. And in those three years, she continued to write. She continued to dazzle, you know, dazzle people and dazzle us, her family. So, again, it was amazing. That is truly amazing. And that tells you what determination your soul has.

Like you're not ready, I'm not going. If you've got a craft, you've got to keep going. I got to keep going. And she's not going to go until she was ready to go. So that's amazing, an amazing story of determination. She was an amazing person for sure. Well, you know, I'll be honest, man. It's, you know, yeah, I'm glad we talked to you tonight.

It's been a great. Rich has like blown my mind like over and over. There's been really cool stuff. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Yeah, you have some really good, you know, viewpoints on things. And honestly, I hope that more people start opening their minds a little more. I mean, they don't have to go crazy on one side or the other,

but I think more people need to open their minds a little bit. That's a great thing with Rich. He's not on one side or another. No, I know he's not. He's just saying what it is. And I hate to always kind of come off as like maybe I am, but it's just it's hard to be, you know. And I think that's the way it is.

Like, I think the real issues between politics and it's not even a politic thing, but just when we're talking about politics, it's not, it's not even about like, oh, well, do you believe an abortion or not? It's gone beyond that now. Yeah, it is. And I think that's what Ridge, like, really showed us tonight. It's not really about that.

I think there's a lot of things Republicans, Democrats, the two parties can come together on. Yep. But now it's just getting to some crazy weird points that it's just like, Well, we got to realize what they're doing, and then we've got to come together as two groups. But, Rich, I hope everyone goes out and buys your book, and we're definitely going to bring you back on a podcast very soon. And I do want to talk to you about aliens. That's some of our most popular topics besides JFK, so we'll definitely bring you back.

But Rich, thank you so much for coming on. Oh, and thank you too very much, you know, Chad and Sherry. I really appreciate it. It's been really fun. I had a feeling this was going to be a fun one. It was fun. And again, I appreciate your openness to having me. And I look forward to our next time.

Oh, absolutely. Well, thank you so much. And we're going to have you back very soon. So people, I know people are going to love you. I already know it. Yeah. So you guys, look up Rich. He's amazing.

Yeah. I love him. So Rich. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Have a great night. You too. Take care. Very knowledgeable dude, man.

Yeah, he is. And what's crazy is we just, like, when we first met him, he's more of, like, the JFK guy is what we thought. But then more than we talked to him, like, he is so smart about everything. Yeah, he has a, he has a lot of great viewpoints. Yeah. He has a ton of great viewpoints and a lot of things that, you know, I just hope that more people have.

And honestly, you know, a lot of people may say we're, we're, you know, maybe we're on one side of the fence politically or not. I know a lot of things. helps that. Yeah, but I know, I know it in a lot of ways, like, it's hard to not somehow get political in 2021 when you're talking about conspiracies. I mean, because there's so many, there's a black and white side to the pandemic versus politics. There's a black and white side to Epstein. There's a black and white side of China.

There's a black and white side to all of this stuff. And it all comes down to politics in a lot of ways. And so it's hard not to not to have an opinion based on one side or the other. Right. But at the end of the day, you can't be political. You have to know that, like, everybody matters. We all matter. We all love each other.

I think that was his point. It was, exactly. And we're all human. We've got to get past that point. But, you know, if it ever comes to the point where, you know, we have to fight each other, which I hope it never happens, you know. He was scared of that. But, but, I mean, I think everybody is.

I think everybody's scared of that right now. I mean, I think that's what the system is trying. trying to make us get to the point of doing. Yeah, and I think that was another point of Rich's point is the woke is not just on liberals or Democrats or Republicans, whatever, it's for all of us. It's, you know, this a rogue. I don't know. No, the woke culture is not on the conservative side or the Republican. It's not.

No. It's on a far left side. Yeah, but what I'm saying is they're like they're brainwashing all of us. And we have to know that. We're being brainwashed on the right. We're being brainwashed on the left. And by the way, I think that's what we're saying. I know we're talking so much about the United States.

And I know there are so many listeners out there in the UK and Australia. Guys, I want you to, this is what I want you to do in closing. I want you, if you're from UK, Australia, or any other country outside the United States, I want you guys to write us at Contact and Investeeearthpodcast.com. Write us there. And I want you to tell us, like, number, Number one, do you guys have the same type of stuff that we've, like, and if you've listened to our previous podcast besides this one, but do you guys have the same type of things going on in the UK in Australia? Obviously, China's not listening to us, I don't think, because they're not allowed to.

North Korea is absolutely not listening to us. Probably some other countries have banned us. It's sad, but it's the way of life there, and it's become normal. And that's what I don't want to happen here. But, but yeah, like, email us and let us know, like, everything we talk about. I want to read it too. I want to read it too. Yeah, everything that we talk about U.S.

wise, I want you guys to tell us. And by the way, I want you specifically to message in the subject, and this is the way you got to do it because if we're going to... Yeah, because we get... Listen, Chad, I don't know why you're doing that because we get so many emails, we don't get to half of them.

I know, but that's why I'm saying. I want you guys, if you're messaging us on this topic, I want you to put 2021 conspiracy in the subject all in capital letters. And that is how you need to title the subject. And they will know.

Listen, if you do not title the subject, 2021 conspiracy, we can't read it. Yeah, because I mean, we get like, I'm not trying to like brag. No, no, but we get thousands of emails. Like, we can't even like imagine to. Yeah. We get thousands of emails. We got like 80 hours of podcasts.

And so people still email us on podcast on number two podcast in three years ago. Yeah. You know, that are just now listening to it. So. So, guys make sure. current you've got to do like well maybe we do a hashtag no no we're not doing hashtag nothing listen all you have to do is type in 2021 conspiracy and type and it's all capital letters put it in the subject and then all we got to do is hit search yeah all we got to do is search and we can bring up everyone that's

doing that yeah that's cool um so do that and then um because we want to bring this up on a on a future podcast like probably not well we'll just bring it up the next podcast regardless of what the next podcast and again what are we asking them to say um well i just want to want their opinion on number one. I want to know, like, is your country, do you think, wherever you live, do you think that your country is as bad off

as the United States as far as conspiracy theories and what's going on and just the behind the scene stuff? Is it, you know, tell us your thoughts on this podcast. Like, tell us your thoughts on things Rich said. Tell us your thoughts on, is the United States worse off than your country right now? Guys, we

learned that there's conspiracy theories going on way before we were born. Well, we didn't learn that. We know that. I know, but I actually heard it from somebody that was, like, living during these times. Well, yeah, but we know conspiracy theories are going on for our time. I know that, Chad. But I'm just saying we actually heard somebody that lived them.

Yeah. Well, yeah, exactly. On our podcast. Yeah, and there's tons of people. But, I mean, but there's a lot of people who just didn't believe it as conspiracy. But I think what you're saying is he recognized it as a conspiracy then before we were born. Yeah. Is that not what you were saying?

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. Okay. But you just made me look stupid. No, I did not. No, you were just saying, like, I'd just learn that there were conspiracy theories before us. Well, obviously, there were. But I think what you were saying is we talked to someone that was in a conspiracy theory and thought it was a conspiracy theory then. Yeah.

I just wanted to clarify that. Okay. But no, guys, I want you to go there in the 2021, do that. Definitely type it in the subject and we'll, we'll. reply to your comments on the next podcast. And by the way, investigate earthpodcast.com, that is the link that you guys can go and listen to all of our podcasts. We have articles on every single thing we've done.

We have more detailed write-ups. We have links. We have videos. We have audio. Go check them out. And then also, like I said, we are going to have a paid platform very soon that we're going to only release certain subjects that are probably too censored or too uncensored. to release on anything else.

Eventually, I think they are going to ban conspiracy podcast. Don't you believe, Sherry? Don't you think that's where they're going? I hope not, but probably. I think so. I mean, they're banning people for believing just random stupid stuff, much less like uncover an actual truth. And that's a scary thing.

But guys, Investigate Earth Podcast. By the way, our social media is Investigate Earth Podcast. That's on Facebook. Look us up. Instagram. But you know what? We're not conspiracy finders. We're a truth finders like Rich said.

Well, that's pretty freaking obvious. You know what? We only use conspiracy as a way to, because people want to know the truth. But they have to look up conspiracy to know the alternate truth. And that's literally the only reason we use conspiracy in our name. Yep. Because you're not going to type in JFK podcast or you're not going to type in UFOs and get any accurate representation of anything other than what the mainstream media wants you to see.

And that's why we use conspiracy. The majority of people are truth finders because they're just like null. Well, in conspiracy. theories. No, well, they're just every day. There's some people who are just full. No, a lot of people just go to work, go home, go to sleep. They don't care about anything. Yeah, they don't. Yeah, but that's why it's up to us to research this stuff and define this stuff. Yeah, we have to know the truth. To give you guys that when you have an hour or two to listen, it's been a two hour podcast. But when you do have two hours of listen, we don't want you have to go research stuff by yourself. We want to tell you what we're talking about. And by the way, one important thing I want to tell people, the thing about the China, because I do want to clarify this. Thing about China saying that they have been working on this COVID vaccine,

or not COVID vaccine, this COVID thing to use as a biological warhead. Oh, for six years. World War III. Yeah, for six years. That is on daily mail. You can look it up, but I wouldn't suggest looking up on Google. You probably won't find it.

And then also look up, virologist says that China releases COVID on purpose. that she is a Chinese virologist, by the way. She's a whistleblower. You can find that article. I would go to Duck, Duck, Go. Yeah, maybe we should do GoFund her. GoFund page her.

GoFund her? Yeah. Go fund me? Yeah. Whatever it's called. Maybe we should. But yeah, go check out those articles, guys. But listen, we got some great stuff coming up.

Rich, thank you so much for coming on. Oh, yeah. We have some, like, major stuff coming on. Yeah, and we're going to have this article up tomorrow. It's going to be titled. the same thing as the podcast. So guys, go make sure you listen to it. And until next time, we love you.

Have a great night. Peace out. Peace out, guys. Love you. Wish I could say I was finally over you. But that's not the truth. Everyone always keep falling in love again. The fuck's wrong.

But that an option to be someone else. I'm obvious. I made this. Maybe. I wish I could say I was finally on for the truth.