Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Daniel Penny Trial | United Healthcare CEO Murder New Details

Episode Date: December 7, 2024

In this episode, we dive deep into the Daniel Penny trial, examining its implications for our justice system and the political landscape shaping its future. Was Daniel Penny's prosecution justified, or does it signal a troubling precedent? We also uncover new details surrounding the shocking murder of United Healthcare's CEO, exploring whether this could have been a professional hit. Joining us for this compelling discussion is our good friend, Lt. Colonel Damon Friedman. Don't miss this episode, packed with thought-provoking analysis and breaking insights on The Daniel Penny Trial and United Healthcare CEO Murder: New Developments.

Real me into sweet talking like you mean it, but you're making it so complicated and hated. Every time I get too close, you push me away. Don't want a stick telling me you don't want any obligations and how you hate them. Hello and welcome to Investigator's podcast. I'm your host shot alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we got a little bit of everything. We got true crime. We got conspiracy.

we got COVID. And we're going to start the episode with Daniel Penny, the ex-Marine that was accused of murder, essentially, or manslaughter. When he choked out someone in the subway that was threatening other people's lives, we're also going to talk about the United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson, and who his potential assassin was. Was this a pro hit or was it just someone that had a lot of buildup anger towards this guy? Maybe, I don't know, maybe this guy lost a family member because of. of the insurance company that Brian Thompson is the CEO and has made more money for this company in its history since just after COVID, which will then also, by the way, lead us to the

House Oversight Committee and their findings on what really happened and went down during COVID. So we got a little bit of everything and we're going to welcome our very, very special friend back on the show, Dr. Damon Friedman, former Special Operations Commander, Damon. How's it going, man? Chad, it's so good to be back on the show looking so forward to it with you and Miss Jerry there. Let's go ahead and let's kick this off and let's make this another awesome podcast. Absolutely. Guys, welcome to the show.

It is December the sixth, I believe. It's not the sixth. Absolutely. We are so close to Christmas is insane. We're less than 50 days out from the Trump inauguration. There's so many people that are so worried about what may be still to come. come leading up to this inauguration. There was a lot of people that thought, hey, maybe Trump's not going to get in, maybe he is,

but there's just so much uneasiness it feels like in the country. And now you have all of these various things we've been talking about recently. You have the New Jersey drones. You have the COVID thing. You have Daniel Penny, the United Healthcare CEO. And we're going to get to all of those. But guys, before we get into that, I want to go ahead and let you know. Please go follow us over on X.

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loving caliber so many times on the show wonder I liked it because I love him yeah loving caliber is great great great band so so here's what we have with the Daniel Penny situation. I'm going to give you a quick background before we get into what actually happened today. On May 1st, 23, Daniel Penny, a 24-year-old Marine veteran, federally, sorry, fatally restrained Jordan Neely, a 30-year-old homeless man on a New York City subway train, nearly known for his Michael Jackson impersonations, was reportedly acting erratically and making threats towards passengers.

Penny intervened by placing Neely in a chokehold. for several minutes, leading to Neely's death. The medical examiner ruled the death a homicide caused by neck compression. Now, the incident ignited widespread debate on issues such as mental health, homelessness, and public safety. Protests erupted with some view in Penny as a vigilante and others defending his actions as protective of fellow passengers. And then on May 11, 2023, Penny was actually officially charged with second-degree manslaughter

and later indicted by a grand jury. An additional charge of criminally negligent homicide was added on June 28th, to which Penny obviously pleaded not guilty. Now, Penny's trial commenced on October 21st, 2024, and during the proceedings, the jury reviewed footage of the incident and sought clarification on legal definitions of recklessness and negligence. After three days of deliberations without reaching a unanimous verdict on the second-degree manslaughter charge, the judge dismissed the charge on December 6, 2024, which was two-day, and the jury continues to deliberate on the lesser charge of criminally negligent hobicide, which carries a maximum sentence of four years in prison. So this was obviously during the height of the presidential election here, right? We were leading into Trump versus, well, we thought at one point in time it was going

to be Joe Biden. Then we had Kamala Harris come in. And when you see situations like this with, and let's just be frank, and this is how the left pushed this and how the right also went on one side as well, you had a white guy that killed a black male, right? And that's where the politics came in. But Damon, have you seen a little bit about this story? Obviously, you are also, I guess, an ex-marine and also Special Forces commander. What is your thoughts just on how you would have reacted similarly to this situation? You have this guy very erratic in a subway. And a subway, by the way, that is

known for things that go haywire very fast. I mean, there had been murders in the subway, especially over the past four years. There's been more crime in the subway systems than in the history of New York City. What would your thoughts have been had the same guy come on the subway and you were there? Well, first of all, I'm kind of blown away by the just society's response overall, particularly just with law enforcement. And, you know, I just don't understand how. how people are not so overwhelmingly like in support of just letting this dude go and continue to live his life.

It makes zero sense to me. We're talking about one of the most violent cities in America, violent places in America. You have an individual that's literally threatening other people, a history of violence, a criminal history. I mean, how many times again, Chad? I think it was 40, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, like, how many times has this guy been arrested? So this is an individual that just kind of showed up. It's not a Boy Scout, right?

Selling cookies. And then all of a sudden, that individual's upset because nobody wanted to buy their chocolate mince. Yeah. Okay? This is about an individual who's coming in and obviously having an intent to commit violence. As a former Marine, I'm always a Marine. come on devil dogs out there i i would do the same thing i'm here to protect the the public i i don't

just serve my country overseas there's terrorists there's bad people overseas and in america it's my duty to always stand for freedom it's my duty to protect the innocent here's this crazed maniac on a subway what do you expect yeah a lot of people don't even have the courage to stand up and here's penny and he does the right thing and here we are talking about i don't know how many months later how many years later since this event happened. And we're still socializing what he's going to be convicted of. It makes no sense to me. Yeah.

And that Jordan Neely, he came on the subway saying somebody's going to die tonight. I'm going back to Rikers because I want food, basically, is what he is saying. Yeah. So this guy was obviously homeless. And here's kind of a reminder of what Daniel Penny was protecting people from. Jordan Neely was arrested over 40 times. In 2015, one case was he was arrested for trying to kidnap a seven-year-old girl. 2019, arresting her punching a 64-year-old man in the face.

2021 punched a 67-year-old woman in the face. And so this is a continual, obviously, repeated pattern of what this guy does. There are people like this, and we have a obviously massive mental health issue in America today because our government does not care about our mental health, I guess, people in this country. They don't care about our homelessness. and instead they put all the money elsewhere. And then when you were left with people like this inner streets, you're going to have people that eventually stand up.

But one of my things was with this whole situation, I felt like that in 2023 especially, you had in not just 2023, if you go back to the Summer of Love in 2020 and where there were mass protests and riots across many cities across the United States, this is when they tried to label all police officers, as predators towards black people or whatever the the political um i guess cabal was trying to do

uh against police you had the situation to where they wanted you to just lay down let the cities burn let the violence happen and then if any if for any reason you actually try to step up and defend either your your city or your or your family or whatever the case was they wanted to send I believe a clear message, even especially in the Daniel Penny case, where it says if you stand up for your fellow citizen or you stand up for yourself, then we're going to prosecute you, especially if you're in the wrong place. We have to remember that in New York City, you have the most heavily funded George Soros prosecutors in the country besides Los Angeles, which is George Gascon, which is now out in

Los Angeles because everyone realized this guy was funded by George Soros, Alvin Bragg. is no different. And Alvin Bragg, which is over most of these prosecutors in New York City, this is the same guy, by the way, that went after Donald Trump to politically persecute him, along with the Attorney General and others in New York. And so this is no different, I believe. This Daniel Penny case is absolutely no different as far as what the political side of this was. I want to play you guys quickly, and then we'll get back into this. This is what Daniel Penny himself had to say one year ago after this happened. about how he felt like he had to act in this situation. Listen.

Well, I live in the East Village in Manhattan, so I take the subway multiple times a day. In this instance, I was coming from school. I got out of class around 215, and I took the I was at J Street Metro Tech, took the Uptown F-Train. At 2nd Avenue, a man came on, stumbled on, he was up here to be on drugs. The door's closed, and he ripped his jacket off. and threw it at the people sitting down to my left. I was listening to music at the time, and he was yelling, so I took my headphones out to hear what he was yelling. And the three main threats that he repeated over and over was,

I'm going to kill you. I'm prepared to go to jail for life, and I'm willing to die. You know, this was a scary situation, and Mr. Jr. Lee came on. He was threatening. I'm 6'2, and he was taller than me. So it was, and there's a common misconception that Marines don't. get scared. We're actually taught one of our core values is courage. And courage is not the absence

of fear, but how you handle fear. And, you know, I was scared for myself, but I looked around. I saw women and children. He was yelling in their faces saying, saying these threats, I couldn't just sit still. Some people say that I was holding on to Mr. Really for 15 minutes. This is not true. I mean, between stops is only a couple of minutes. So the whole interaction less less, less, in less than five minutes. Some people say I was trying to choke him to death, which is also not true. I was trying to restrain him. You could see in the video there's a clear rise and fall of his chest indicating that he's breathing. I'm trying to restrain him from him being able to carry out the threats. And then some people say that this is about race, which is absolutely ridiculous.

I didn't see a black man threatening passengers. I saw a man threatening passengers, a lot of whom were people of color. A man who helped restrain Mr. Neely was a person of color. A few days after the incident, I read in the papers that a woman of color came out and called me a hero. I don't believe that I'm a hero, but she was one of those people that I was trying to protect. We were all scared. Mr. Neely was yelling in these passengers' faces, and they looked terrified. The reason why there was no video at the start of the altercation was because people were too afraid getting away from him.

And the videos didn't start until they saw that situation was under control. I knew I had to act. And I acted in a way that would protect the other passengers, protect myself, and protect Mr. Neely. I used this hole to restrain him. And I did this by leaving my hand on top of his head to control his body. You could see in the video there's a clear rise and fall of his chest, indicating that he was still breathing. And I'm calibrating my grip based on the force that he's exerting.

And I just, I mean, I was trying to keep him on the ground until the police came. I was praying that the police would come and take this situation over. I didn't want to be put in that situation, but I couldn't just sit still and let him carry out these threats. So, Damon, quick reaction. what would you have done differently? Let me ask you that in this case. I would have done the exact same thing.

I want to just comment on a few things. It's very, very important about what he said for all of our listeners. This is super important. So make sure that you kind of focus in on this. He's talking about the core values of the Marine Corps. So you have to understand right off the bat who this individual is. He's a United States Marine. The three core values is honor,

courage and commitment. It was a courageous act. And the reality is this whole thing about color, it's an absolute lie. In the Marine Corps, this is the one thing. I just wrote an article just recently that was published about how important it is. Like the culture that we're raised in,

everybody's one color and one color only. It's green. And we need to get back to that. You know, in the United States Armed Forces, it's one of the things that I think have been one of the biggest struggles for me is I've transitioned out of the military because I never judged anybody by their skin color or, you know, where they're from.

I'm a Hispanic. I'm a Puerto Rican Jew. And I'm from the projects. And the reality is, is like when I joined the Marine Corps, they made it very, very clear. There's no white. There's no black. There's no Asian. There's no Hispanic.

There's just Marines. So I wanted to say when he's talking about that, when Daniel Penny's talking about that, it's the absolute truth. rarely have I ever met any type of any racist in the Marine Corps. I mean, and I'm talking about the 20 years of my career. I can't even recall one incident. I've heard of them, but I can't recall it. Number two, he talked a little bit about the way that he handled them.

This is what Marines are called to do. This is why they are the greatest fighting force in the world, United States Marine Corps. And what's so sad is that we're living in a society that we're going to condemn an American hero saving the individuals on the subway instead flipping the switch, flipping it this big narrative,

all of this trash that we've been dealing with, particularly the last four years. And the fact of the matter is, is that he was doing a very honorable, which is one of the core values, honorable act. And the third one is that he's committed to continuously do what heroes are supposed to do

and that's to fight for freedom for those that can't fight for themselves fight against oppression and that's exactly what Jordan Neeling was he was oppression, he was oppressive and he was out there threatening to kill people and the American hero stood up at United States Marine

and he did exactly what he was supposed to do and just one last thing he's six foot two man I didn't even realize that Jordan Neely was even taller so he's facing a giant and he's doing exactly what we call heroes to do. I'm flabbergasted, Chad. And I wanted to ask you to Dr. David is during this whole trial,

it was all about the different chokeholds. You know, he would change his grip or change the way he was holding him. And, you know, the prosecution was saying one thing and the defense was saying another. Well, when you're changing it, obviously you're going to have breath in you or whatever. But tell me about these chokeholds. Are they, are they there to take a weight breath or is it there to restrain people? How do you use them and how does that work? Okay. So you know what I love about both of you? You guys are like the dynamic duo. Both you guys are jit-jitsu like ninjas, okay? And you know as well as I that when you're grappling with your opponent,

based off of what that individual does, that's how you respond. So there's no perfect hold, right? It's not like, oh, can you just stay here? Can you stand? Let me go ahead and put my arm around you here and let me do a Darcy and Anaconda or whatever. It's a matter of what your opponent is doing.

And I know as a fact you start looking at some of it and Daniel Penny's talking about, look, you see in the video what's going on, Jordan Neely was put, I would say, Daniel Penny in a position. and that is exactly how he responded. There's a lot of different ways that you can hold somebody down,

but at the same time, it's like, what are you supposed to do in a moment of adversity? The kid is coming from school. He's listening to, I don't know, new kids on the block. I don't know, right? Or some type of mega, you know, death metal or something. I don't know what, I don't know what Daniel Penny was listening to,

but I'll tell you one thing. This is the one thing I do know. Intent is everything. Motive is everything. That Daniel Penny was on the subway. He's coming from school. He had no intent. to choke anybody out.

He just wanted to get home, finish school and probably eat a, you know, peanut butter and jelly sandwich. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But is there a way

to restrain somebody, I guess is what my question is. To not kill them? Is that what you're saying? Exactly. Well, yes, absolutely, because if you look at the UFC,

for example, or you go to jujitsu class or whatever the case is, there is all various ways of restraint, of all types of things, right? I mean, people in the UFC,

when they get choked out, yes, they will either tap out or at times they will actually completely get choked out. And also, if you look or watch a UFC event, depending on how, so if you're in the position of a chokehold, and that's what you're trying to work on. You're trying to work on your rear neck of choke or whatever the case is. And as your opponent is moving, you are adjusting to that movement, right? And you were continuously trying to get that hold in. Now, obviously, Jordan Neely is not a trained jiu jiu jitsu guy.

or any of that stuff. And I don't know exactly what the training from Daniel Penny is. But, you know, and I don't know what the basic training in the Marines is. I mean, I guess you guys do grappling in the Marine Corps, right? I mean, that's- Yeah, we do grappling. But I'm going to tell you that when I was going through the Marine Corps martial arts program, right, and it's awesome. A lot of what we're doing is we're trained to fight, close with, and destroy.

And I'm here to tell you that there's all sorts of chokeholds like you mentioned, right? you got the guillotine. I mentioned the Anaconna. You got the Darcy, you got the figure four. You got all these moves in order to get to the submission, right? And the reality is that when you see him, he was just trying to make the guy submit and chill out. That was it. And at the end of the day, like, and I love what you just said, Chad.

Sometimes, even in the MMA, right, they're fighting and they're moving. And you get to this point where they're not moving any longer. The guy's in the zone. Daniel Penny wasn't sitting there and I'm going to kill this guy. Daniel Penny's like, I'm going to make this guy submit because he just got done threatening everybody, right, in regards of what was required. He was going to do whatever he wanted. And at the end of the day, some other variables that we might talk about. And I just want to throw this out because we're talking about the, you know, the choke that he had.

But what about Jordan Ely and any type of drugs in his system? Were there any drugs in his system at all? Oh, yeah. I want to go about that. Was he inebriated? Was he intoxicated? Look it up. because if you're under the influence of anything, it exacerbates these issues.

Absolutely. It's easy to go down. And I don't even want to get into the greatest social justice, you know, issue that we've had in the last couple of years that was global. And it involved drugs and a death when a police officer was just trying to do the right thing. Yeah. Just something to chew on. No, so Jordan Neely had synthetic cannaminoids, commonly known as K2. Now, for those that don't know what K2 is, this is not like marijuana.

It is a synthetic. Is it like the Delta, whatever? No, no, no, no. K2 is nothing like the Delta aid or any of that stuff. K2 is a synthetic. It can make people go crazy. I mean, there's been people jump off of roofs before because they were on K2 or go running down the street naked.

It gives you various different highs. At times it can make you feel like you're on PCP. I don't know if you guys have ever watched any videos of law enforcement trying to deal with someone on PCP. They feel like they are Superman or God and they do not go down. This was likely the case with Jordan Neely. But the New York City medical examiner, Dr. Cynthia Harris, testified that the presence of K2 did not alter her conclusion that Nili's death resulted from Ephyxia. But then the defense also brought in another medical examiner that said that this obviously 100% contributed to the result of the chokehold.

because what you have to understand, even if you smoke weed or do some of these other drugs, even alcohol can raise or elevate your not only blood pressure, but your heart rate. K2 is definitely one of those substances that drastically raise your heart rate. It also raises your adrenaline levels. And when it raises your adrenaline levels, number one, you're more likely for a heart attack. And we've seen this. George Floyd, for example, fentanyl was in a system. There were various other things in a system.

He was fighting and he was combating against the officer. And I'm not saying I'm not going to go one way or the other on that. I'm just saying when drugs are in your system and then you're in an all-out battle with someone that is maybe choking you out, your heart and your system is going to be overloaded. It's not going to react the same way. And I mean, hell, there's people that smoke weed that freak out have anxiety and panic attacks. and their heart rate will be 150, and that's just from smoking weed, not even fighting someone or getting choked out.

So there are obviously various discrepancies here. Now, these different medical opinions were presented during the trial of Daniel Penny, which obviously is charged with manslaughter, but I do want to quickly get to a body cam video. It's only 30 seconds. But as police arrived when Daniel Penny had just choked out, Jordan Neely. This is what this black lady from the subway that was around the incident when it happened.

This is what she had to say about what she witnessed in particular. Listen. So there's she's literally saying this guy went belligerent. He was going crazy. And also, Damon, to this point as well, this guy obviously is taller than Daniel Penny. Daniel Penny 6.2. He's continually saying I'm willing to die. And then also, you don't know if this guy has a weapon.

Now, even in law enforcement, for example, you know, everybody often thinks like, does this person that you're encounter in law enforcement perspective have a weapon? And most people think of a gun as a weapon. But someone could have a knife as a weapon and kill you faster than a gun. There's actually videos out there all over social media that if you want to see some instances of there's actually a video, I think it was in Georgia that this happened. This cop, this guy was running towards him with a knife. The cop shot him. And then he still was able to somehow stab this officer multiple times. And this officer is bleeding everywhere.

And so this case, I think, I think the bad thing to this case presents to the citizenry, to the American public is that if someone in your current situation comes in, willing to die, threatening the people around you, threatening yourself, what this case is essentially trying to tell you is that you should do nothing. You should stand idly by. And because if you do something and it results in the death of the actual criminal, then you're the one that's going to be charged, not the criminal. I mean, do you not agree, Damon? No, I totally agree. I understand everything that you're sharing. And it's just, again, I'm just flabbergasted of how this is all working. In fact, I was looking on the internet while you were talking. And I just can't believe that, you know,

that looking at it how people are deadlocked and now there's this big move from the father to do some type of civil lawsuit and I just again I'm just I'm saddened by society

and their position because if you're if you're not the one being threatened then it seems like people kind of forget the important of justice. And let me just explain what I mean by that. It's interesting how people have a certain position until they become a victim. They all of a sudden become traumatized and they have a different

perspective. If you're on that subway and all of a sudden you get somebody coming on deck like Jordan Neely threatening to kill you and do whatever it is that they're willing to do in order to that he wanted money or whatnot, you're going to be frightened. And Daniel Penny was very clear. He goes, I was afraid of what Jordan Neely was going to do. So I took action. I don't know why those words are not good enough. Now looking at it, they're saying that he had to choke hold for like six minutes. And the fact of the matter is, is if you hold, if you keep somebody from breathing for four minutes or more,

then there's brain damage with, you know, potential death. But I'm going to tell you when you're in that situation, you're just trying to hold somebody down because you're trying to protect the community. instead of being in trial, he should be triumphed and he should be wearing, you know, the medal of, you know, the medal of honor equivalent as a civilian there in New York City. And that's why I was asking guys about the various chokeholds because it seemed like whenever he was moving around, he had to change his hold, which means it was, he was not actually choking this guy out. He was changing and maneuvering around the whole time waiting for police to come and take over. Yeah, we don't know if Daniel Penny the entire. entire six minutes actually was choking this guy out.

It wasn't in the same hold. He was constantly changing. Yeah. And here's the thing, even if you're trained in jihitsu or, you know, if you're a police officer, number one thing that they always, any cop will tell you anybody that is ever in combative situations is just because someone is not trained like you are does not mean that they cannot figure out a way to kill you even in close quarter combat situations. And especially lanky people, people that are bigger than you, people that are.

can get out of shit that you maybe are not used to, especially people high on drugs. There are various things that you are constantly having to fight to get that grip in, to fight to get, you know, that hold on. And it seems like more than likely this is what was being done in this particular case. But this is what makes me go crazy is I don't even know why he's on trial number one. And number two, with what's going on during this trial, this has been three days now where the jury is having trouble coming up with a verdict. And the judge is going back and saying, oh, okay, if you can't find him guilty on the severe charge, then...

Second degree manslaughter. Yeah. Then you need to go back and see if you can find him guilty on the lesser charge. Yeah. I've never seen this happen in a trial before. Because it never has, by the way. And this is all out complete lawlessness. This is a judge trying to influence the decision of the jury because we,

when the jury was deadlocked on this decision, you do not go back and say, okay, well, we'll throw this one out. Now go and deliberate on this lesser charge. Maybe we can get you guys to agree on this one. That does not happen in any way,

shape, or form. Yeah, it actually looks like the jury's being pressured. Yeah. They convict him. And it doesn't seem very constitutional. That's my opinion,

right? So, and this is, and we've seen this already. Right? We've already seen this previously. with a former president over in New York, the undue influence of political figures and power.

We've seen something extremely unconstitutional. It's happening in New York. It's just blowing my mind that this is still happening. And at the end of the day, we know why they're deadlocked. And I guarantee you that there's pressure on the jury to convict. Okay, if you're not going to convict of what we brought forward, what are we going to convict?

Come on. Is this America? Is this freedom? Come on. about the Constitution of the United States of America? Is this constitutional? What's going on here? Doesn't seem like it. And by the way, I want to play this quick clip. This is the latest of what happened today in the Daniel Penny trial. And then we're going to move on. But listen. All right. A stunning development in the Daniel Penny trial on that subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely,

the most serious charge moments ago, just dropped by the judge telling jurors manslaughter in the second degree is dismissed. What that means? To you are now free to consider count two. Whether that makes any difference, I have no idea. What we have been able to surmise right now is that the remaining count here that will deal with criminal negligence, of course, is something that is that merely a serious charge as an assortar to charge could have been and could have landed, obviously, if he had been guilty of it, Daniel Penny in jail for the likelihood of about 15 years.

Now, this does complicate a number of other developments in the case when the jury resumes on Monday to address this lesser charge. With CB Cotton following at all of the New York State Supreme Court with more. C.B., what does this mean? Hi, Neil. Well, it means this trial is not over yet. Jurs will be back on Monday, as you said, to deliberate that lesser charge, criminally negligent homicide. For Daniel Penny's defense team, this might bring some relief because we know that top charge, second-degree manslaughter has now been dissoned. dismissed by the judge. As you mentioned, Penny could have faced up to 15 years in prison on that charge.

It has been such a high stakes day here at the courthouse. We know the jury came back twice, deadlocked, unable to reach a unanimous decision on the second-degree manslaughter charge. And that's when you had a whole conversation in the courtroom between the prosecution and the defense on what to do next. Ultimately, the judge dismissed that top charge. We also know so far in the trial that jurors have requested to review a lot of information, a lot of video evidence. They've also wanted to review portions of testimony, and they've asked the judge at least twice to explain the laws in this case. They've asked for the definitions of recklessness and negligence. They also asked the judge to redefine what a reasonable person is as it comes, as it pertains to use of force.

I've been talking to a lot of legal experts about this case, including a retired New York City criminal court judge. And he had an interesting take on what all of this means from the jurors in the deliberations room. Listen to what he had to say. What I do know is a minimum is that there are jurors on that jury who likely believe that the defendant, Mr. Penny, is not guilty of at least some jurors would appear to he's not guilty of manslaughter in the second degree. Definitely appears to have been the case because

they came back twice deadlocked and now they won't have to weigh that charge at all. I do want to mention, Neil, that there was a bit of pushback from the defense on the jury having to deliberate the lesser charge, criminally negligent homicide defense attorney Thomas Kenneth appearing to express to the judge that he felt it may be coercive for jurors to now have to weigh this lesser charge. What I think he's trying to do is have this on the court record to preserve his rights on appeal. And I think that's why he's bringing some of these concerns up to the judge. But the latest down here at the courthouse, Neil, is that jurors will be back on Monday to deliberate that lesser charge. So there you go. That is the latest. And the weird thing about it is, is that this all is,

you know, you had protests in the streets during this. You have protests in the streets during this trial. This is all politically motivated. And that's what we are seeing in America today. It is not no longer the justice system that we once thought it was. I literally had a dream last night. I dreamed it seemed like most of the night. And my dream last night, by the way, was that we were in our house and there were two attackers coming in our house. Two different people.

There was one guy that had a rifle. I remember specifically. Don't know what kind of rifle. And then there was another guy that made. it to the bedroom window where I was staying and he was actually shooting his gun through the window at me and I just happened to get out of the way and shoot through the wall and then you know kind of also somewhat I guess through the window hitting him in a face and and taking him down because he was attacking us and then the rest of the dream which seemed like two or three hours

long was the deliberation of the sheriff's department the prosecutors and others whether or not I was going to be charged with murder and I just felt whatever, for whatever reason last night for various hours dreaming this that I was, I was the aggressor. I was the suspect and these guys were being protected. And I'm sure that I had this dream likely because thinking about the Daniel Penny case. But it just made me feel like and kind of put myself in the position of Daniel Penny. Can you imagine what he feels like right now doing what he felt like was the right thing, and now he's facing 15 years he has been facing?

So check this out. So I was just kind of looking out, just kind of sifting through the news. And when you just played that, it said, quote, right? This is what the judge says. All right. The judge tells the jury, after updating him, he goes, what that means is that you are now free to consider count two. So basically, we're no longer going to be dealing with the former charge.

now we're going to consider count two. Whether that makes any difference or not, I have no idea. And reading through the scripts here is that it looks as if what they're trying to do is they're chorusing the jury that's mentioned in there. And what I just saw here is that the judge could also choose if, in fact, he's found guilty and the max now is four years. The max now is four years. The new charge to consider, right, of negligent homicide in Neely's death, all right?

a maximum penalty of four years in prison, right, which is significantly less than what we just talked about, which is 15 years. The judge could choose to sentence penny to no prison time if he's convicted. Let's go ahead and let's just go ahead and just say it right now. It looks to me, the judge is saying, hey, you know what, let's consider count two, whether that makes any difference or not. I have no idea. But now let's consider it. So who is court, who is for, who is pressing the judge? And if in fact, which I think they're going to end up saying, all right, we're going to, we're going to go ahead and find him guilty in count two. And the judge is going to say, all right, you're guilty, but check it out.

You know, this is happening in the middle. No years in prison. That's what I think's going to happen, which I think, again, is a failure and justice. Yeah, I hope they say no prison. Yeah. But even finding him guilty, he's going to have a felony on his record for the rest of his life for trying to save people on a subway. Yeah, it's nuts.

And by the way, the prosecutor in this case, for those that do not know, Iran used similar language earlier in the trial during her opening statement. This is the prosecutor. She is a what many described as a far leftist. She actually is on video talking about how she has all these various ideologies. And then her team also allowed witnesses to describe Penny as the white man and a murderer prompting Perry's defense lawyers to object and ask the court to declare a mistrial over this language, is obviously should have been actually granted in this case.

Saying Penny didn't see the humanity in Neely unfairly invoked race. And according to his defense, and combined with the other language, it would make it impossible to get a fair trial. And the judge denied the earlier motion to declare a mistrial. We also know that the judge in this case has been continually on the prosecution side. They have denied basically any request from the defense. And this just sounds exactly like what we saw in the trial. Trump trial, you think about Alvin Bragg, which is essentially the main DA in this region in New York,

one of the most heavily funded Soros, you know, not DA, but yeah, yeah, prosecutors. Yeah, prosecutors in New York, this just makes complete sense, right? So we wanted to talk about this Daniel Penny case. We won't kind of harp on this anymore. What we do know is that now the jury will be delivering Monday. So Penny is not done with this. He's already lost over a year of his life because of this. And now it's not over yet.

He has to go to trial Monday, see if they're going to convict him on this charge. And even to what you said, Damon earlier is, yeah, yeah, I guess the judge could find no prison time in this case. But what if they do just to kind of stick it to them and make everyone. Yeah, just, you know. And also, by the way, all of this in the pill, I want to bring this up from what. everything that I've seen in kind of the attorney circle says in this appeal, if it's actually a fair appeal, then this is thrown out. I mean, this is a ridiculous case.

All the witness statements, the probable cause is not there. It's just absolutely absurd. And we also have to remember, this kid is 24 years old. He has his whole life in front of him. And what he was doing on the subway was protecting his fellow citizens, protecting moms and babies on the subway and whatever the verdict, if he comes out any kind of guilty, whatever, this potentially will ruin the rest of his life. Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, that is the justice system. Now, I want to move on to the United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson. Now, it was fatally shot on December 4th outside of New York, Hilton Midtown Hotel in Manhattan. Now, this mask assailant dressed in dark clothing and carrying a gray backpack fired multiple rounds at Thompson before fleeing the scene on a bicycle into Central Park authorities have labeled the incident a brazen targeted attack. The suspect description right now is described as a white male approximately 6-1 wearing a black hooded sweatshirt pants, a gray backpack, and a black

face mask. He demonstrated proficiency with firearms quickly clearing a jam during the attack, which I think actually now this was not a jam that he was clearing. This was a specialized weapon in this case. We'll get to that in just a second. But at the crime scene, police recovered live and discharge bullet casings with the word deny, defend, and depose inscribed on them, possibly indicating a motive linked to criticism of the insurance industry. Now, a cell phone believed to belong to the suspect was also found, also known as a burner foam. The surveillance footage shows a suspect arriving in New York City on November 24th via a Greyhound bus from Atlanta.

Georgia. He checked into a hostel in New York City on November 30th using a fake New Jersey ID and paid in cash. And then after the shooting, he was seen fleeing on a bicycle in the Central Park. The suspect remains at large to NYPD in collaboration with FBI and Atlanta Police Department has launched a multi-state manhunt utilizing the surveillance footage, forensic evidence, and witness testimonies. A $10,000 reward is offered for information. leading to his arrest, what I will say is that I would think that United Healthcare could definitely offer a bigger reward than $10,000 with especially considering all the amount of money that O'Brien Thompson's made them since the end of COVID. But the murder obviously has sparked discussions about the U.S. healthcare system with some

social media users expressing anger towards insurance executives. However, authorities have not confirmed any direct link between these sentiments. Now, Damon, here's the thing that's kind of happening. Let's just start here. Here's the thing that's happening with this United Healthcare CEO on Twitter, not Twitter, on X and TikTok. You have people across the board. There are so many out there that are saying good riddins to this guy. Good riddance.

Peace out. You are the CEO that screwed so many people. Part of the reason, by the way, for what it sounds like, the reason why United Healthcare made more money since the end of COVID was they found ways to deny more people coverage, right? But that also has sparked so much, I guess, outrage and public or social media sentiment to say that, hey, you know what, this guy wasn't worth it anyway. Why are we even so concerned about this? But let me ask you this, first of all.

No murder obviously is good in this particular case or scenario. But there have been people that say, look, you know, we're going to. to get into a position in this world in this country to where they're going to be brazen murders like this, especially people that are against corporatism, that are they are against the insurance companies, they're against people like this. And yet you have the, which is strange, you have on social media, TikTok and other platforms allowing the kind of celebration of this guy dying. Whereas if you talk negatively during COVID, you would get banned or censored or you say anything about or misgender somebody or whatever the case is, you were banned and censored immediately.

Let me ask you just your first thoughts on this Brian Thompson deal with the CEO. Do you, and also do you think, I know it's a 50 part question, but do you know, it's good. It's good. No. So first of all, I just want to kind of some background for all of our listeners out there that the United Health is ranked as one of the largest companies in the world. okay with capitalization of 539 billion dollars i mean a billion is a lot it's a lot of money 10 billion is a lot a hundred billion this thing is 539 billion dollars i just wanted you guys all to

understand all the listeners out there the magnitude and they provide health insurance to over 50 million americans we got over 300 uh we got over 300 uh million Americans, like 325 or something like that. I mean, 50 million. So like, you know, 20% of the population, 20% of the population are receiving health care from this company, right? And so you have to, and these plans, including employer-based plans and Medicare Advantage plans, yada, yada, yada. So this is no small company.

All right? Number two, you guys also mentioned something. This is, I'm thinking that a lot of it has to do with the fact that. that, you know, this guy was making a ton of money. This guy has, there's been some investigations with some, some practices insider training that included Thompson that sold $101 million in stocks before the public was aware of the investigation. So when we're starting to think about the conspiracy, like, hey, is this an insider job?

Is this an angry, you know, a person who, you know, got a claim denied? I don't know. All I know is that Thompson's share was 15.000. million dollars just on that one alone. So when we start thinking about it, this guy was a long-time employee who led insurance divisions, right? But what I find really interesting is how he maintains such a low profile, despite the company's significant footprint, right?

So, you know, so first of all, for everyone to know out there, just to get some background information on Brian Thompson, the dude was 50, the guy was wealthy, it's still, it's one of the largest healthcare, you know, companies in the world with $539 billion. With that being said, okay? you mentioned earlier on how this ammunation was found and these guys these were anonymous right it was to the associated press right the condition of anonymity all right because they were not authorized to publicly you know discuss these details because of the investigation deny defend the pose so it seems like it's an insider job but here's a deal regardless of what's going on nobody deserves to be shot like this in the middle of the street right nobody at all this is america we have a justice system You know, one that fails at times because we just talked about Penny, which I believe, you know, the justice system is failing this young man who's 24 years old, who try to do the right thing, who is a good Samaritan, right, who's probably going to get a raw deal, but hopefully justice will prevail.

I'm telling you right now, I think that this is an unfortunate situation because there's better ways to handle corruption than to go ahead and shoot them in the street. But some people out there are saying it's the only way that you can establish revenge. Yeah. And this is what's come to you. I don't know. Yeah. And do you feel like though, you know, to this point and what you're bringing up here is that I guess there are extremists in this country now that believe that the corruption is so far. It is went so far that they feel like, you know, when they look at the justice system and look at what's happening in the world and people like this, maybe, you know, we'll get into whether this was a professional hit or not. But if this was a professional hit, right so someone somewhere had the money to hire this dude and maybe he was a professional maybe he's done this before maybe he hasn't maybe someone hired a crackhead we don't know but regardless someone was pissed off enough to where they felt like the corruption was so deep especially in the health care system or the insurance agencies or whatever the case is and maybe

they had a deep vendetta against maybe potentially this health care company this insurance company that either denied coverage for someone that killed their loved one, and these people just had to be, having to be rich that said, you know what, enough's enough, because the system, the deep state, the bureaucracy is always going to prop up and protect these companies like these health care or insurance companies. Do you believe that is a lot of the system that could be at fault for this? I mean, just based on how corrupt insurance,

really has been. Let's take it briefly because you have been a victim in the era of hurricanes. And I know Western North Carolina for many across Western North Carolina, the amount of people in Western North Carolina because of Hurricane Helene, when Hurricane Helene came through, not only were they screwed, by the way, by FEMA in most ways. And this is kind of a known fact because I know so many people in Western North Carolina that, you know, they even requested $750. They lost everything. Their houses, you name it.

But on top of FEMA screwing them, their insurance company screwed them because they just happened to find out, hey, we've been paying homeowners insurance and then just happen to find out once our house is completely destroyed, that it doesn't cover natural disasters. It doesn't cover this or that or this. Or there's so many different variables. People continually feel like they are screwed at. every single way they turn by the system.

And so I do at the very least, I'm not saying, obviously, that what happened to Brian Thompson in the streets being gunned down is right because I don't feel like it is. I feel like that we have to, we have to lean on our justice system, which is still by far, probably one of the best in the world, still definitely has its flaws. But we also have to use this opportunity to call out the. injustices of so many people that have been screwed by insurance companies, that have been screwed by our federal government. And before I even get into any more, and I'm kind of asking you this, this was a ladies take

on TikTok, and she talked about this. And I think this is kind of the sentiment of what a lot of people are thinking as far as when you think about insurance companies. Listen to what she says. 50% of families whose child has cancer go bankrupt in this country. They lose everything. They lose their homes. They lose their savings. I have personally watched families begging, pleading, fighting with insurance companies to approve medications that take their pain away, to approve medications to treat their cancer that is aggressive, delaying care.

While the CEO from yesterday in New York added $30 million to his personal wealth, While insurance companies made billions and billions of dollars in profits, why? Why do insurance companies need to make billions of dollars in profits off of people's pain? And that insurance company denies over 30% of claims. So I'm sure the same thing was going through a lot of people's minds yesterday when that happened. It's probably a family member of someone who lost their life because of denied claims. So I could care less. So that is the sentiment, by the way.

I just wanted to play this. This is what a lot of people are saying is like we're supposed to be looking actively for this guy that did this, right? Like this is the worst crime in history. And yet, if you look at the totality of the situation, the insurance claims, all this. And by the way, Damon, you're ahead of one of the biggest organizations for veteran suicide and awareness and kind of promoting getting veterans back on. the right track when they come into America or when they come back to America from war or whatever their whatever their situation is. But the reality of that even is is that you have to have organizations like yours to actually

give a shit about veterans because for some reason, it doesn't seem like government or insurance or anybody else cares. So I just love how you mentioned about our judicial system. And in the process, when you consider any other. judicial system, right, in the world, I would say that our system is superior. The problem that we're dealing with right now is the corruption, particularly in the state of New York. We were just talking about my brother, Marine, Daniel Penny. Where is this happening in New York? It's happening in New York. New York is corrupt. Number two, I want to throw something out there since the social justice

movement, particularly during that time frame. There has literally been, I mean, the riots in the streets during that time frame, the police were withheld to enforce the law. Something there's been like, there's been a tipping point in how we're treating the police, the judicial system, how individual, I mean, there was clearly laws being broken in New York. We're going to just focus on that state alone. In New York. and what did the New York leadership do?

They withheld. They cuffed basically the New York City police hands, and they had to deal with abuse like we've never seen before. It also happened in L.A. That's my birth state city, right? And you will, I'm telling you right now, the amount, the percentage of law enforcement officers that said, I'm done in New York, in L.A., in California.

I said, we're done because they don't have the appropriate support from the leadership. Now, with all that being said, this is the fear that I've got right now. If you just take this one moment, man, all right? This one moment, this one moment to consider this, right? Here we have this guy who was literally ambushed early on this day Wednesday while walking to a company's annual investor conference at a Hilton in Midtown, New York City. And he was unaccompanied, right? And he's just sitting right there walking down the streets and he just gets ambushed.

Why would that, why would that be, by the way, is that, do you think that's normal that the biggest CEO for the biggest healthcare company or, well, insurance company is just unaccompanied? Because I actually have a clip we're going to play in just a second. But what do you think about that? Do you think that they would typically have bodyguards? Yeah, absolutely. In fact, I was just reading earlier on about how significant this is. There was this one gentleman. He's from MPS security and protection.

His name is Michael Julian, the CEO. And he expressed shock at the lack of protective detail leader of a major health care company. But this is the fear just to kind of get back right before you kind of share this clip, is that this is my fear. We're coming to a point where people are taking the law into their own hands. And they feel comfortable about it. This is definitely organized. It's a bit sloppy.

But I'm trying to think like, what are they doing? Are they just distracting? Is that why they left all this evidence? Because they know better or don't think. I don't know. Just some food for thought. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's very interesting.

And by the way, they're saying that potentially this was a professional hit. Yeah, this is my whole question. Was this professional or was this somebody that was just pissed off and it was a personal thing? Yeah. Well, here's a. great breakdown of the assassination of United Healthcare CEO in New York City yesterday. This is from a gun group, right? They love guns.

That's all they talk about. And they had started talking about this as far as what their thoughts on this was. Was this a pro hit or was this sloppy? Let's listen real quick. Shots him through the calf at 15 feet. That's not good. What kind of weapon is he using first? Yeah.

Back up a little bit. So the gun is a very small caliber. Suppressed. It looks like. suppressed pistol. Most of the 22 ammo is subsonic, meaning it doesn't cross the sound barrier. But what happens is the ammo doesn't have enough to cycle the weapon. So this guy's got to cycle the weapon, right? But you see it jams and he's got to hit the back of the slide. 22 is notorious for not chambering, right? So he hits the back of the slide so it goes in batteries, he can take

another shot. So you have, that's one of the things you do before you take a weapon out on an op like that as you fire it a couple of times and make sure it's actually tuned up right. So you don't think this was fired before then, is what you're saying? No. No, it doesn't look like it. Or he has zero experience with this bitch. And he can't fire the weapon area. I mean, even with 22 at that range, you should be able to pop somebody in the back of the head.

Now, the gun is based off his shoulders, which is the biggest common mistake. I see on the range is the gun will stay 90 degree from the shoulder, but what you'll see is it's low to the eyes. So his first shot, when he levels the gun to shoot, watch my hand. it'll go down. And this is why his first shot shoots him somewhere in that leg. Now, he immediately racks that slide. Yeah. So he's either an intentional shooter, meaning he shoots a lot and he knows how to perform remedial action,

or he expected that to happen. If he knew anything about the gun, he would have practiced this a couple times. Now, I don't think this guy's a pro, and I'll tell you why. If this guy was a pro, just hear me out. I would not have shot from 10 feet away. I'd have walked up, put it to the base of his skull, shot it, shot it, dropped them walked off with one shot. Yeah. Like if you're if you're getting paid a bunch

of money to assassinate somebody and this is the CEO of the largest private insurance company on earth. Yep. Right? He's definitely getting paid to kill this guy. There's no question about that in my opinion. Then you make sure the job's done. Otherwise you don't get paid. If I set this up, here's what I would do. I would find

me someone maybe with a little maybe a veteran background, maybe not just someone a crackhead. I would hire him for this hit, right? I'd make sure he had the money which would that money would be a chump change of what he wanted. I would make sure he had the drugs he needed. And I would pay him in drugs as soon as he was done.

He does this act. As soon as he'd done, I'd make sure he OD'd. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Two unrelated crimes, man. This is how they get away with it all the time. They pay some crackhead and then the crackhead ODs.

And no one can ever connect those. Now, this guy was not a crackhead. You can tell in the pictures of him of his face, he does not look like he's on drugs he looks not quite i know he looks white but i don't even know if he looks american yeah he kind of i listen i'm not not saying this in a bad way everybody but when i saw these pictures kind of surface i was like he kind of looks like israeli or something i don't know to that i don't know for sure he looks like a model yeah i mean he's very defined face he does not definitely look like a crackhead and by the way he's very very

nonchalant. All the videos that have been posted of every video they have captured him in. He's in Starbucks. He's in the hostel. He's just kind of walking nonchalantly through New York. He's got his little backpack on. Actually, someone also found most of the clothing he wore, Damon. And guess what? This clothing, he was dripped out, as they say. So dripped out as in like his backpack, I think, was over a thousand dollar backpack. His shoes were like 900 bucks. His shoes are. $900. His pants for like another thousand. You had his hoodie, which was like some other crazy amount of money. People have really went down the rabble on this and found even the clothing he wore. Now, the interesting thing about this is this guy traveled from Atlanta, Georgia on a Greyhound bus. And I don't know if anyone has ever traveled on a Greyhound. You don't want to be on a Greyhound bus.

But I'm surprised he did not shoot himself before he got to New York. but what I will say about this is that so here's what people are saying now I disagree with this gun group that talks on this podcast I disagree with them him having a 22 or a 9 or no it's not a 22 I think I think it has been solidified this a 9 millimeter and if you go into this and your brother even commented about this earlier or yesterday he sent us my brother yeah yeah sherry's brother is a cop swat team guy trainer whatever and he had sent us the message and he said, hey, here's the weapon he used. And he said you couldn't even buy it in this country.

Well, you can. He thinks, I mean, if it's the weapon, my brother thinks. Well, I think it is. You can. So the weapon used in the assassination from what they're saying is the B&T Station 6, a modern iteration of the World War II era well-rod pistol. Now, this intricately suppressed bolt action firearm is designed for maximum discretion, emitting minimal noise and lacking distinctive features that could draw attention.

It is specialized design and limited availability suggests that they certainly had access to uncommon weaponry indicating a high level of planning and sophistication in this attack. But why would he have a silencer on it if it was already quiet? No, that's what it comes with, though, I believe. Right. So I think typically this is how this weapon is made and put into place. it is a it does have a clip but it is bold action so every single shot that you shoot you have to rack the bolt it is not a semi I mean I guess kind of a semi automatic it's bold action though and so we're you know when everyone's looking at this this video and they're saying well he's clearing jams in this gun he's not he is racking the bolt again every single shot of this

weapon you have to rack the bolt now this is from what we have heard heard, this has been used by some of the top, I guess you can say hitman in the world. Well, and I'm just going to say, too, he shot him in the leg first and the dude turns around because he wants the dude to know, look, I'm shooting your, you know, he wants him to know. He just doesn't want to shoot him dead. He wants him to like pay for whatever is happening. Yeah, exactly. In my opinion.

I agree with, by the way, Sherry, I agree with your opinion. This guy we just heard on this clip, he said, if you're a professional. hitman, you're going to go right to the base of his skull and hit him. And he's done because you're being paid for this, probably a high sum of money. And then it's over. But it seems like there is definitely, especially if you have encryptions or subscriptions of something on the live round. Yeah.

If you have something on there that talks about, by the way, this, a very similar book, there was a book that was published. I think it was like three or four years ago that talks about how you can prevent insurance companies from screwing you. And so the, the encryption's on the actual bullets that were on the ground had these terms, had these phrases, right? And so, Damon, let me ask you, if you're a hitman,

you're hired by some high level, hell, who knows, maybe even government agency, which we're going to get into maybe how deep this conspiracy could go, because, yeah, we could talk about maybe this just one dude they got pissed off, had the money to hire someone because maybe their mom died because of this company. That's one aspect of it. Could it be as elaborate as this guy really wanted this dude to know to where he's a great shot? He shot him in a leg first to where he could go over him, say something to him, and then shoot him and kill him?

You know, Chad, I'm going to tell you that I'm without words with this one. because it's either one way or the other, right? And I'm going to just go ahead and kind of place my case here. The killer, the shooter, was wearing the same clothes in just about every clip that we saw. Right? I mean, no shame at all in wearing exactly the same clothes spotted the day before. I mean, like they said, they're tracking them all the way from Georgia all the way up. How is that possible?

It makes me feel like it's somebody that. that did it that was intentional, somebody that really didn't understand. It was a bit, it was very sloppy because there's so much evidence. And also, but at the end of the day, like, you're right, a professional just comes up, pops it in the back of the skull, and keeps on walking. That's it. You just need one round, especially as close as he got. The guy's just walking by himself.

You're not going to get, I mean, did he get startled? So at the end of the day, when I'm looking at. at that video at the hotel or the hostel or whatever it is and you see the person's face, it just seems so sloppy. It just seems so sloppy. It's not just leaving evidence. You could see your face in today's advanced technology, facial recognition. I'm surprised that that individual hasn't even been found yet, especially with the DNA, all the stuff that the individual left. So I'm going to tell you right now that I'm without words. I've got nothing on this one except for I'm intrigued to find the results and I do think that this individual

is going to be found is being found pretty quickly. Now what happens if he's not found and you have DNA, they have a cup that he used or whatever it was. Yeah, a cup of water for Starbucks. What happens if he's never found? Like what is that? What does that tell you? You have a DNA profile.

You have all the stuff. It could be a deep state thing. But he's just non-existent. He's non-existent. I'm going to tell you right now. I think he will be found, but if he's not, that's for another podcast. Yeah. I tell you, because he just didn't even care.

You have to think about, I mean, I am a novice at all this stuff, but I know you don't go into Starbucks and drink a glass of water and throw your cup away. Unless you, unless, and here's my thing. It's like, as nonchalant as he was, using the weapon he did, inscribing the, things on the actual bullets that he left at the scene to talk about. And there was at least three people around that we see in the video watching him do this. They're right there. And there was a black gentleman that said he basically was there all night camping out.

Yeah. And the words that were inscribed on the bullets said, deny, defend, and depose. And these terms closely resemble the phrase delayed, deny, and defend, which is commonly used to criticize insurance industry. practices of delaying and denying claims. Now, this phrase is also the title of a 2010 book by J.M. Feynman that critiques such practices. So he left this intentionally. Yeah, he did.

He wanted to make sure that this was left. He also threw a burner phone away for some random reason. Why would you ever do that, by the way? I don't, but why would you do that? Like, why would you do that? If I'm going to go and be paid or otherwise, everything that is on me when I'm going to do this hit is going to leave with me. I'm going to ensure that to be the case. Yeah, it's like the CIA says.

They come and they go and you don't know they were there. We know this guy was here. Yeah, Jason Hanson actually, when he came on our podcast and we had asked him about in specific the Idaho murders, the murders where the four college students were gruesomely murdered by knife. and we brought Jason Hanson on and we said, you know, what is your thoughts on this? He said, well, I will never forget this. He said, as a CIA officer and someone, he's like, we are a ghost. So if we were to ever do something like this, there would not be a knife sheaf that was laying around that had our DNA on it. There would not be a burner phone or we're going to go to a Starbucks and be on camera and freaking throwing our cup away in the trash can.

That's just not how this works. This was definitely blazing. This guy wanted to be seen. He had to have. He knew there's cameras there. Yeah. But so, Damon, let me ask you this. It's interesting to me, Brian Thompson.

We're going to get a little conspiracy for a second. Now, obviously, we had the U.S. over the congressional oversight committee that just released her detailed and extensive report on COVID-19 and a lot of the flaws and even potentially the conspiracy around COVID-19 recently. I also found it interesting as well because so many people right now are looking for conspiracies of Brian Thompson and this assassination. And the number one thing that if there's one even just inkling of a conspiracy that you can even start with is the fact that this guy was appointed right after COVID-19 was kind of winding down. He became the new CEO of United Healthcare.

He created more money for United Healthcare during that time. more money in this history, I believe. And he did that in large part based on the denial of claims, especially from emergency room visits. Now, is there a conspiracy there that this somehow in any way, shape, or form potentially could have any connection to COVID-19? That's the question, because if I could connect something like that, that would be insane. So, man, I'll tell you, we got a dedicated entire podcast on this one.

I think for me, the congressional report on COVID-19 is very significant, especially the background on primary conclusions. I want to just throw some things out here before I start connecting dots, right? So for all of you listeners out there, there's a congressional report on COVID-19 origin spans, it's like 520 pages and it follows like a two-year investigation. And it was released by the Republican-controlled House oversight and accountability committee of COVID-19 panel. and then the report was published ahead of here in the you know this week um for those of you that do know this uh because you lived in a bubble COVID-19 pandemic began in the Wuhan in December 2019 resulting in a brown 7 million deaths worldwide that's what's reported and supposedly it was a lab accident in Wuhan China and this is this is where it gets interesting okay

the US government incorrectly labeled the lab leak theory as conspiracy all right so when all you guys are getting crazy out there like these are conspiracies. Like these are Well, you know what? It was labeled the Lab Lake Theory as conspiracy spreading misinformation. And even the FBI director, Christopher Ray, has previously supported the lab leak theory as the most likely cause of the pandemic. With that being said, okay, when we start looking at what happened with Mr. Thompson, all right, and the controversies, while there is absolutely no direct connection between

the murder of the CEO, this Thompson guy and COVID-19. congressional report, there are several broader themes linked to the two events. And I've wrote all these down because I spent a lot of time today reading about this stuff. Okay. The first of all is this. The reason why so many people are talking about it right now is because of the mistrust in institutions. This is very, very important, right? Both incidents highlight the growing public distrust in major institutions such as

healthcare corporations and government agency. Number two, the COVID-19 report criticizes the U.S. handling a pandemic information. This is very important. So, you know, this is the U.S. government, all right, who's driving this from the very beginning. And now the government is, you know, is criticizing how they handled it, alleging misinformation, erosion of public confidence, and similarly criticisms of the United Health for denying

care to vulnerable patients contribute to negative perceptions of health care giants. I want to share that because of the mistrusts in his sense. institutions. We're talking about do we trust these institutions? Do we have faith in them? No, we don't. Because they're proving over and over again because they can't be trusted. So is there a connection? I think it's kind of hard to put them together. But when you start thinking about the post-pandemic fallout, because that's when he was appointed, both cases underscore the aftermath of the pandemic where grievances related to health, economics, and public policy continue to simmer. This is important because, guys, there's this public outside.

outrage, all right, and it's perceived as failures during the pandemic could indirectly exacerbate the tensions toward these leaders of health-related institutions. So this is something that's interesting. This is something to really consider all you listeners out there. These are publications from the U.S. government criticizing the reports and the way that the United Health Care, the way that they're handling. And Dr. It's terrible.

And Dr. Damon, I'm just going to say, I never knew the threat. out there for CEOs in insurance companies. I had no idea prior to this, but most CEOs, CEOs in health, you know, health companies have bodyguards. Yeah. I did not know that. And I said, why? Yeah. And it's because of the money and because of the denial of people getting the treatment that they

deserve or the health care they deserve. Yeah, absolutely. Right? And by the way, I do want to say, I want to point this out as far as United Healthcare. This is a conspiracy theory, but this has also been contributed potentially to some of these things. So there has been denial and care in various aspects of United Health Care company. And specifically, what they did was how this CEO in particular started to make the most amount of money for United Health Care insurance was. was they denied claims based on emergency room visits.

Non-emergency. No. Well, just critical, non-critical. Yeah. And so this was post-COVID. And it's also very interesting how this started with United Healthcare to make the absorbent amount of money that they made post-COVID by denying claims into emergency rooms. Now, if you go to AI or go to some of these various.

stats, you will start seeing that some of these claims actually, where they were denying claims where people, in some cases, allegedly, we'll just put it this way, this is another podcast, allegedly people are going into the emergency room that had potentially also been vaccinated or had COVID, presenting signs of blood clotting, heart attacks, etc. Okay? Now, all allegedly, but what I will say is that if you just take the mass amount of people, let's just pretend. This is pretend, guys, all pretend. Let's just pretend that you gave a vaccine to people that potentially caused large amounts of either blood clotting, cancer, heart attacks, various other side effects.

and then one of the biggest healthcare companies in the entire world, especially in the United States. I think United Healthcare is the number one company in the United States. You start denying claims based on these claims, these claims, especially related to COVID-19 in some way, shape, or form. Now, we don't know for sure that this is true. We got to do much more investigating. But all I am saying is they brought this guy on right after,

after the height of COVID. You brought this dude on. It made United Healthcare insane amounts of money by denying specific instances of emergency room visits. And then this guy gets assassinated by this assassin. And they were denied based on COVID? Well, we don't know. We don't know 100%. We're not saying all of it was denied based on COVID.

We're not saying that. but what I will say is just based on some of the initial research, and we get to dig deeper, is that potentially, if you want to go the COVID-19 route, you want to talk about this, and this guy was implemented right after COVID. He made this company so much money.

The big conspiracy you might want to say is, did this guy start talking or saying something? something that people didn't like, you know? I mean, look, there's one thing to be said that that insurance companies screw people, right? I mean, I think we all know that. I think most people understand insurance companies screw people on a daily basis. Yeah, when you get paid, when you get charged $200 for a tile knoll, something's wrong. Yeah, or whatever, right? And the healthcare system in whole is a joke. But when you start linking things, and then you, bring on a CEO and you start talking about this.

And then the DOJ, the Department of Justice started investigating this company. They started investigating this company. They started to say that they were insider trading, that they were doing various things, that they were selling out their stocks and not letting their shareholders know about it because of the DOJ investigation. They're just something strange about it. And I don't know what it is 100%. right now, but just the blanket kind of like theory right now that someone had to have been

pissed off enough because their family member died based on a denied claim from United Healthcare. I don't necessarily know that that would be the actual reasoning behind this assassination. And his wife did say he was, you know, getting threats. But I think most CEOs of health insurance companies do get. threats and do have bodyguards. And I think he was complacent because he didn't have bodyguards in New York City going to this conference.

Yeah. Well, and keep also in mind. And I think, do I have this? I was trying to find this clip and I actually think I have it here. Hey, Chad. Hey, Chad, while you're looking for that clip. Yeah, go ahead. I think this really, I think this kind of bodes well.

I think right now there is, and this is from my perspective, that I just think that there's like public outrage about, I don't know, like perceived failures, you know, during the pandemic could indirectly exacerbate tensions toward leaders of health-related institutions. And when we look at United Health, for example, that's a significant player in health care. It may be perceived as a part of what I think systematic issues in the U.S. health care system is potentially making its executives targets for public frustration or violence now. we're starting to see more and more, right? And you talked about this earlier on, and I know I mentioned this as well. Like, you know, Thompson's leadership and decisions in the United Health are definitely subject to criticism.

So whatever's happening behind closed doors, but it's also public because we're now realizing through these investigations, especially regarding this insider trading allegations and these care denials, you know, we heard earlier on 30%, I think that's what was mentioned, of these claims were denied. we're starting to see now kind of like packaging all this together, all that we're talking about, we're starting to see an escalation of violence and threats. Why? I mean, I think when you start seeing these rising threats of violence, you know, and noted in the report as increasing in 2017 that I talked earlier about, reflecting on broader

societal unrest, I mean, things are getting crazy and this unrest would manifest its acts against high-profile leaders like Thompson. I mean, this is crazy that a guy at this caliber is just walking down the street. It blows my mind, no security at all, especially some of the inside trading that he's been doing, all the millions of dollars that he garnered the $15 million on a $100 million transaction, a $539 billion company. I mean, it may be seen as symbols of contentious issues going on right now, such as healthcare inadequacies.

So I'm trying to figure out like, you know, when you start putting it all together, I'm trying to figure out why would somebody do this? You can say not in broad daylight, but the person came along. He's got denied, defend, and depose good on you about where it came from. That's pretty interesting.

I got to look into that. I mean, this was definitely intentional. So this is definitely getting more. Damon, listen, I want to ask you this, but in all of your time and special operations and all this shit, do you ever see any similar type of events that you can recall? I don't know if you can even say this, but to where there would be a, how do I say this? That there would be either an operation or a sciop to where you create a assassination like this and pin it on a particular ideology. Does that make sense to you? So I'll just tell you, you know, I think the CIA agent that you had on is right on, right?

They're supposed to be ghosts. They come in. They're extracted. Nobody has any idea what happened. That is absolutely true. What we see with Thompson's murder is the polar opposite of what a good agent in the CIA would do if it was a hit. And special operations is completely different, the work that I was doing. Whenever we would do high-value targets with capture-kill-mish,

the enemy knew exactly what we were doing. I think where it would kind of be similar is really more empowering local militias to do the hit, right? So they garner the trust and confidence within the communities and be able to be independent and self-sustaining when it comes to security. But as far as like what you just shared, I mean, what the CIA does is very significantly different than what I was involved in. particularly 15 years in special operations.

But this is the sloppiest hit I've ever seen, which makes me believe, you talked about psychological operations, makes me believe that it's not exactly what we see to be. I think that there's more than meets the eye. Yeah. But do you think he could have been sloppy on purpose? Yeah. That's a good.

I think, absolutely. I think the person was on purpose sloppy. It makes absolutely no sense. everything that this individual did makes absolutely no sense because if you just think about it, just be a normal person. Right. Okay. And of course, normal person's not going to go and shoot somebody.

But if you're going to commit a crime, you wouldn't be wearing the same clothes the day before in front of cameras when you're checking in. You wouldn't show your face with the same clothes, right? I mean, it just doesn't make any sense. If I was going to go to do a hit, if I was going to go do a hit, I think the burner phone is right. I definitely would purchase it probably from a different city. You wouldn't want to do it in the same hometown.

That's stupid, right? You want to make sure that whatever you use is cash, that makes sense. You definitely would have very unique clothes for that specific moment. You would have all the intelligence that you would be gathering, not overnight, but something that you've been thinking about. There's a thing called a POL, right, a pattern of life. So you want to make sure that you don't establish a pattern of life. That means ways that people can find you.

you and they know exactly how to get you. This individual, Thompson, had a pattern of life. Somebody knew that this guy was going to be walking down the street. If you're going to be the murderer, you're going to be the killer. You don't have a POL yourself. I mean, we're finding this individual came from Georgia. I mean, it's really, really sloppy. So you would have a different vehicle.

You'd have a different clothes. You would have a weapon that cannot be tracked. You would have gloves. And you probably burn it all. And you would do all of this somewhere outside the vicinity so that you can't be caught. Yeah, he didn't even have gloves. The whole thing is sloppy.

Yeah, he did not even have gloves. He used a e-bike from the city that has a GPS on it. Yeah. Which obviously. How do you know that? How do you know that, Sherry? Because he's wearing the same clothes. Yeah.

I mean, you like, you, how many videos are out there on the streets? The guys weren't the same clothes from from Starbucks on. I mean, come on. But maybe, maybe that's a sigh up in itself, Damon. Yeah. That's why you're right, Chad. I think it's true. Either that person's that sloppy or they did it intentionally.

And psychologically, they're throwing all of the people of experts off, but the best of the best, hopefully can find them. Yeah. So imagine, imagine you have the same clothing, the same system, the same pattern in life, all you're saying. But then after you're hit, after what you're doing, you change it all up. You are completely different. You look completely different. You have your hair out. You're freaking in maybe a damn, I don't know, a Hawaiian shirt and shorts.

and you're down in Florida and you're chilling. You're a speedo. You're hanging out. Yeah. At the beach, man, right? But I do want to say something interesting. I was watching a video the other night of this guy. This is crazy, you guys.

You know how like when robbers used to put like a stocking over their head, like a woman's stalking and it would change the appearance of their face? Well, they have these stockings where they have like faces painted on a stocking and it looks like a real face. Yeah, especially if you have a hood on. Like if you put a hood on and you put the stocking over, it looks real. And it changes to your face. The total appearance of your face, but your face looks real. It does.

Now, I look at these pictures and it looks like his face is real and this is his face. But obviously, you don't want your face out there all over social media and, you know, everyone to see who you are. Yeah. I want to play this last clip real quick for you guys. This is the former bodyguard of CEO Brian Thompson. He speaks out after this, listen to this. It was baffling, to be honest with you. You know, you get at somebody in the number one health care organization in the United States of America, who is a corporate executive, a high-ranking one, as a matter of fact, just sitting on the board of directors, and he has no protection around him.

That is just baffling. I don't understand it. We still don't understand it. It could have been one of two things, according to the teams that we've listened to today. And, of course, the news media giving us information. One, it could have been a personal choice. He may have not liked living in the bubble. And that's what we call somebody that is in the middle that we are protecting.

It's called the bubble. We're around him, even when he goes to the restroom, we're still right outside the door, you know, that sort of thing. Or a United Healthcare chose not to be. provide security for him. I don't know the answer to that. I'm not going to speculate on it, but it is highly unusual for the CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation not to have people around him. It's just, again, it's baffling. Yeah, so that is the clip from the former bodyguard of Brian Thompson. And he's saying here, listen, this is unusual. This is not like

anything that we see from multi-billion dollar companies. And, you know, was it United Healthcare that refused bodyguard protection for this guy? The dude was making millions of dollars a year. Dude, I have bodyguards when I go out to California. I have, in some places, have protective security details. I really do. There are some places that I go that I don't feel very comfortable. And one of the requirements when I go and speak is that I have security. There are a lot of places, especially in faith-based events that I have a couple of people that are having their eyes and their ears open

when I'm walking around going places 100%. And I am nothing. No one compared to this guy who's making millions of dollars a year. Guess what? You hire your own. You hire your own detail. You know, this is interesting and I'm going to throw one last grenade out there for you.

So, you know, he wasn't with his wife. I think it appears that they were separated. And so the security guy's like, well, you know, he didn't want to live in a bubble. Maybe the guy was doing something that he shouldn't be doing. I mean, I don't want to speculate, but why would a guy be hanging around by himself? Where was he headed? Where was he going?

Something to chew on because angry women can do some crazy things. Boom. Yeah. And especially angry women that have money. I mean, that's the thing. Angry women that have money to blow for sure. Yeah. And just seems like this.

dude, even though he rode a greyhound from Atlanta to New York, had money. Yeah. Hey, who knows? You know who the first suspect is, right? The spouse. Yeah. I mean, I wonder if they're even interviewing her. I don't know.

Just throwing it out there. I mean, it's just, I don't know. Just throwing it out there. Yeah, for sure. It's a very interesting time in America, right? I mean, we have the United Healthcare CEO. You have Daniel Penny. You have all this stuff.

And then you have New Jersey drones is going on right now. Oh, my God. Yeah, dude, are you throwing in the New Jersey drones going on? Oh, my gosh. It's crazy. And not to mention, like, even Joe Biden's pardons and stuff going on. Like, that makes no sense to me. I understand why he wants to pardon his son.

But why is he pardoning Liz Cheney, Adam Schiff, and Anthony Fawce? Well, I mean, I think it goes back to just how corrupt a lot of things that were going on during this last administration were. And I don't know that I've ever heard of a preemptive pardon ever, right? I mean, you know, in that way, a president could just say, hey, look, you know what, we pardon every Republican in history of the world for anything they're ever going to do or may have done ever, right? And this is what we're seeing. This administration is trying to tie up their loose ends. They are trying to figure out whatever they were involved in that we got to make sure that we're

are not caught off guard or implemented in anything. This kind of brings me similarly back to the JFK files. Why so many of the JFK files have not yet been released is because I guess, potentially, even Cash Patel, the new FBI director nominee, when he went on Glenn Beck and Glenn Beck said, I don't believe CIA killed JFK. And Cash Patel, as the former national security advisor and so, you know, under Trump, and now he's about to be FBI director. It says, dude, you're saying this as someone

that's read the files. And he didn't go any further. You know, he obviously didn't say, well, this is what I read. But he said, you're saying this to someone this read the files. And Cash Patel also said, by the way, which is insane,

which we've never done a podcast on, is that I've also read the seven classified pages of 9-11. And so, Yeah. I don't know what to go from that. We're hopefully probably going to know some of that as... Oh, we will. But getting back to these pardons, to me, it makes these people look guilty of something that I don't even know what they're guilty of.

Exactly. Yeah. You know what we do know is if Daniel Penny gets, you know, found guilty, the first pardon from Donald Trump will be Daniel Penny. It better be. That's what I'm telling you. That's what I think. Yeah, absolutely. No, I agree.

I agree. But listen, we got to touch on, you know, coming up, we're going to talk about and go into depth about the oversight committee and their findings on COVID-19 because I think it's one of the most important things. It's a Friday night tonight, guys. And we want to thank, by the way, Dr. Damon Freeman for coming on on a Friday night. We're here on a Friday night. Sherry's got some Christmas extravaganza stuff going on tomorrow.

Yeah, sorry, guys. If my head's not into it, if I didn't sound like it, I am here. So, and I love you guys. Yeah, now we love you. And by the way, there's so many of you that are sending us your Spotify wrapped as we are your number one podcast. I can't even, we cannot keep up with all the people that are sending us. Hey, guys, look, here's my number one podcast.

And by the way, most of you are like, we're number one and Joe Rogan's number two. So that's all I care about. That's good. That's good. I mean, hey, we just keep climbing up the ladder there and just thinking all. of our listeners out there. And Chad and Sherry, thanks a lot for having me on. For sure. It's always a great time here talking about whatever's happened in the world. And just so you know, Sherry, you sounded spot on, locked in. I know your hair is done up and you're looking amazing.

So whatever party is going to be blessed. Oh, gosh. I already told Damon I didn't even brush my teeth today. Come on. Don't be saying that, man. I did. I did, guys. All right, guys. Well, listen, that's going to do it for tonight's episode. We're going to be back. Sunday. We got so much stuff to talk about over the next couple weeks. Listen, and, you know, this is kind of like the lead up to the Super Bowl in some ways. You know, we've got the inauguration coming up. There's so many uncertainties leading up to this. And so we're going to continue to talk about those. We still have so many questions about the New Jersey drones. We have so many questions about the COVID-19 oversight committee. We're going to get into all of that. But Damon, listen, thank you so very much for coming on. Just tell people, again, they can, find you at what Dr. Damon Friedman on all social media. Just go and check me out all platforms, Dr. Damon Friedman. And I got my Damon Friedman show on YouTube. Just check out Dr. Damon Friedman and you'll be able to follow us. But excited to be on the show, man. And the investigator

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