Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Denver International Airport, The Murals, The Tunnels, and the Conspiracy No One Can Explain

Episode Date: January 16, 2026

Millions of people travel through Denver International Airport every year, but few realize it has become one of the most controversial and debated locations in the world. From disturbing murals and st...range symbolism to rumors of massive underground tunnels, bunkers, and secret construction projects, DIA has fueled conspiracy theories since the day it opened. In this episode, we break down the real, documented facts behind the Denver Airport conspiracy, including the mysterious dedication stone, the so-called New World Airport Commission, the artwork that sparked global attention, and why this airport’s size, location, and design continue to raise serious questions. This is not a surface-level conversation. We examine timelines, known details, and the unanswered questions that keep researchers, travelers, and conspiracy theorists coming back to one place in Colorado. Whether you think it’s coincidence, symbolism, or something far bigger, the Denver International Airport conspiracy refuses to fade.Our Merchandise Store

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Starting point is 00:00:04 you where the sun and soul is shining. Don't be a tree. Hello and welcome to Investigator with the podcast. I'm your host shout alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're talking about the Denver International Airport, the airport where millions of travelers pass through every single year without giving a second thought. On the surface is just another massive transportation hub, but for those who look closer,
Starting point is 00:00:48 the artwork, the symbols, and the strange design choices tell a very different story. From unsettling murals to rumors of vast underground spaces, DIA has become one of the most discussed conspiracy locations in the country. And tonight we're diving into why this airport continues to raise eyebrows, spark debate, and leave so many people wondering what is really going on beneath their feet. Guys, welcome to the show. It is January the 15th, 2026. And the name of this song is Welcome to the City by Ingrid Witt.
Starting point is 00:01:14 I thought this song was kind of Illuminati-ish. That's why we decided to play it. In the beginning, it almost sounds like an airplane since we're talking about an airport. I figured maybe that would be a good song, but actually kind of sounds like a car. But either way. I don't know. I don't know. I think it sounds like a spaceship. I think it sounds like the Jetsons, like George Jetson, like the cartoon.
Starting point is 00:01:33 For sure. Yeah. I used to. It sounds just like the Jetsons. Yeah, I used to watch more of the Flintstones. I'll watch Jetsons as well. But you might be wondering why we are going to play a song that I say maybe sounds like Illuminati.
Starting point is 00:01:45 Well, Illuminati actually has a lot of connections potentially to the Denver International Airport. And I got to be honest, we have actually not covered the Denver International Airport conspiracy ever on this show. We've talked about it on certain other episodes, but we've never dedicated a full episode to the airport. And tonight, it's about time because I've got to be honest with you guys. We've talked a lot about politics. We've talked a lot about the government. We've talked a lot about all that stuff for quite some time.
Starting point is 00:02:11 And we want to get back into a little more of the conspiracy stuff because that's why our podcast started. We want to do more of that. Although, don't get me wrong, we're not going to abandon the political conspiracies and the Epstein stuff. and the Middle East stuff, any of that. But I think this episode is very important because I don't think there is that many coincidences that happen at a place like Denver International that without something nefarious actually going on behind the scenes. Now, Jerry, what we're going to play tonight, what we're going to kind of break down
Starting point is 00:02:43 and discuss is kind of like a documentary style where Fox, I believe it is, goes into Denver International and they really researched this from the, I guess, behind the the scenes perspective. And the interesting thing is Denver International, as these conspiracies continue to grow, they had to literally hire a PR person just for this. And so this PR girl, she comes in. She's probably in her mid-50s to early 60s. And she basically takes big news agencies and mainstream media on these tours where she
Starting point is 00:03:15 tries to dispel rumors and conspiracies around what really is going on at Denver International. And as we'll also talk about, Denver almost had. no choice but to kind of play into the conspiracy because so many people knew about it and heard about it. And the reality of this conspiracy is, is that I believe is true. I believe something that various is going on there. I believe there's too many things that all line up to certain things like maybe the New World Order or the Illuminati, all of that stuff for it just not to be true. Yeah. And it's just crazy because I grew up there. And before DIA, we had Stapleton airport. And it was in Denver, but it was a smaller airport, nothing like that. But before DIA
Starting point is 00:03:57 was ever built, we used to go out there as teenagers. It was nothing but land. It almost like look like farmland. That's all it was. But we ran into some crazy stuff that I want to talk about later in the podcast. And it might even intertwine with what we're talking about tonight. Well, you said, well, you had talked to me about this. And you had said that there were were like missile silos or something? Yes. Yes. Before DIA was built, like I said, it was farmland.
Starting point is 00:04:27 And not far from there, there were some missile silos that were, they were really old and barren. And we would drive out there in trucks late at night because we would look for these people that were devil worshippers or whatever they were. And there were these people in robes, they'd all gather in a circle. And they would like do weird hymns. Yeah, like rituals and stuff. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:50 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that is strange. And so you're talking about where this happened was around where they built the airport now? Because it was nothing that farmland then. That's weird. That is strange because, I mean, if that happened and there was some type of demonic worship in or around that area, it kind of makes you think maybe those people that were worshiping the devil out here, maybe knew something similar to the people that actually built the airport there. Now, the other strange things about the airport and why some of the conspiracies actually have existed. for so long, especially since the airport was built, is because, number one, the amount of money
Starting point is 00:05:24 they spent on this airport. I mean, this airport is one of the most expensive airports ever built. They have, I think it's at least six floors below the actual airport ground level of just complete infrastructure. We're talking about tunnels, supposedly like this baggage system that was complete failure, and then they just abandoned it. That was kind of their excuse, I guess. but there's a lot of weird stuff about this airport.
Starting point is 00:05:50 So here's a little bit of the who's behind it, what, when, where airport planners, artists, and architects, they're all tied to this original DIA construction. The name the New World Airport Commission listed on the dedication stone, which was an organization that does not formally exist outside of DIA references. So a lot of people have tried to look up the New World Airport Commission for many years and can't find any information about it. But it's also very interesting that they have this plaque or this dedication stone at the airport
Starting point is 00:06:22 and the signs and symbolism, even on the dedication stone is very, very strange. They also have large-scale murals depicting war and death and environmental collapse and authoritarian imagery. They have reports of extensive underground tunnels, bunkers, unused facilities, and then also just outside of the airport property,
Starting point is 00:06:42 you have at least three military bases there. And some of these military bases like the Cheyenne Mountain Range or is the Cheyenne Mountain complex is an entrance into a underground facility that supposedly is one of the only facilities that we know of anyway that can survive an EMP or a nuclear blast. And I think it's about 100 miles from where Denver International is. And a lot of people have said, well, there's no way that the airport is connected to Cheyenne Mountain. I bet it is. But 100 miles is really not that far.
Starting point is 00:07:12 And if we remember, and we've talked about this on other episodes, as well, there are what is known as Dums. And I'm sure a lot of you know what that is, but that's called deep underground military bases. And these deep underground military bases have been built across the United States, sometimes at least a mile down. And a lot of these bases actually connect to each other from the east coast to the west coast. And we're talking about thousands of miles of tunneling that potentially connect Washington, D.C.
Starting point is 00:07:38 all the way to the west coast. But it's always funny when these people that try to dispel rumors about Denver International being connected to any of these military bases right outside of the airport property, they say, well, it's 100 miles. There's no way that you're going to build a tunnel from Denver International to Cheyenne Mountain. And I'm like, have you not understood anything about the underground tunnel system in the United States?
Starting point is 00:08:00 I mean, there are cities in the United States underground. Exactly. And you even think about like Hamas. Look at their tunnels. Oh, yeah. 300 plus miles, I believe, of tunnels is what I'm like. And that's Hamas. That's a terrorist organization inside of Gaza that managed to somehow build.
Starting point is 00:08:14 300 plus miles of tunnels underground. Look at even, you know, the drug traffickers and runners in Mexico. Right. There's a lot of the cartel members that they'll dig tunnels from Mexico. And some of these tunnels literally come up in the floors of KFCs and McDonald's just on the other side in the United States. But yet they're trying to tell you that the military can't build underground bunkers or underground tunneling systems that go for hundreds, if not thousands of miles.
Starting point is 00:08:38 We know for sure that's bullshit. We know that even back in the 1950s and 60s, they were heavily. building these deep underground military bases, especially during the Cold War, all of this. And that's when these tunnel systems really came to life. And so imagine if we were doing this in the 1940s and 50s, imagine what these tunnel systems and underground bases would look like now. Imagine how advanced they would be. Well, just think about where these underground systems are under the airport.
Starting point is 00:09:04 All they have to do is connect to the military bases that are underground. I mean, they don't have to really dig far. They just have to dig to the military bases. Absolutely. Yeah. And that's an easily done way. I mean, we've known that military bases have been connected throughout the United States for many years. But the weird and interesting thing is just all of the symbolism, all the occultism, all of the murals and all the things and the signs and like the Pell Horse.
Starting point is 00:09:29 And we're going to get into all of that on this show. Now, what I want to get into first is this documentary that Fox actually did. They sent a reporter out to the Denver International Airport where they met with this PR girl. the one I was telling you about is who they hired to kind of combat the conspiracy around Denver International Airport. And she met with this girl out there. I think this happened about a year ago and they go through everything. So not only do you hear the perspective of this girl, the girl that actually works for Denver International, but they also have a couple of people that have studied this for a very long time and where they say that Denver International is still lying about this.
Starting point is 00:10:05 Listen. I've been through a million airports all over the world. And I have never seen anything remotely approaching this freak show. The Denver airport is not just an airport for moving people around. It has other purposes. I still think it's the most mysterious airport I've ever visited in my life. Somebody has an agenda.
Starting point is 00:10:28 Somebody has executed that agenda and somebody is trying to maintain that agenda. And Denver Airport is one of those places where you just feel this negative energy everywhere. I'm not opposed to the government doing secret things. weaving that into an airport structure and having some kind of subterranean place
Starting point is 00:10:46 where they can hide in the case of a cataclysmic events, maybe they are doing some secret testing down there. I mean, the government does do shady things for sure all of the time. This is headquarters for a lot of strange and evil things that are supposed to happen. It's a fun story, but there's no truth to it. If I was running the Denver airport,
Starting point is 00:11:10 I would absolutely have fun with this. I have had this assignment on my calendar for so many months. I'm so excited to get on the ground in Denver, pushing back now. See what's really going on under there in these tunnels. Not feel well. We're claiming on the altitude and not counting out, but they know we're getting closer to finding out what's going on
Starting point is 00:11:48 right below our feet, and they're scared. The Denver International Airport is the 20th busiest airport in the world and the fifth busiest in the United States. Its land covers 54 square miles or 34,000 acres, making its property larger than Manhattan, San Francisco, Boston, and Miami. That is massive. Over 70 million people pass through DIA every year, and the airport employs about 35,000 people. The airport is not only a celebrated attraction in Denver, it's an indispensable part of the state's economy, generating more than $33.5 billion for the region annually. However, DIA's conspiracies begin with the airport's predecessor, Stapleton Airport. Denver citizens were basically perplexed by the decision to replace and not renovate Stapleton, a major hub that by all accounts,
Starting point is 00:13:00 was perfectly operational and up to code. The old airport, Stapleton Airport, was built basically five miles within the city. They had intersecting runways, so planes would have to pause. Anytime you hear this girl, this is the PR girl for Denver International, just to let you know. For other planes, it was especially bad and bad weather, and we would have horrendous delays, couldn't grow, so it really made sense and was very visionary to build Denver International Airport outside of the city.
Starting point is 00:13:30 And so they had this airport that was operational, although PR is trying to say, well, it wasn't operational. We had all these snowstorms and it was just the runways weren't long enough and all this, although they definitely had room to build longer runways. I actually looked this up. So it wasn't that. It wasn't really that they were having so many flights canceled. I also looked that up. That's not necessarily true, although that's what PR is trying to say here. And so then what they do is they take Stapleton, they close it down after they build this new airport, which is 34,000 acres bigger in Manhattan.
Starting point is 00:14:00 San Francisco, all of these massive cities, and we're talking about 34,000 acres. It's definitely in the middle of nowhere now because it takes 30 extra minutes to get there from the city where my dad had an office building right across the street from Stapleton International Airport. And we could see the planes come in and out. It was conducive of the city. Yeah, because it was right in the middle of the city. Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:14:25 Yeah, it just never made sense to anybody why they would put this airport way out there. And I mean, obviously, if you're going to build something this 34,000 acres and then have six floors underneath the actual airport and then potentially have tunnels connected to and closer to the military base, then it makes sense why you would move at 30 minutes outside of the city. Taking an airport that was fully functional and although that's not what they're saying, but and then building something that costs more money than almost any airport in the country. And then moving it closer to the military bases, that starts to make you think. Like, obviously they did this for a reason. Our questions on why we needed a new airport because the other one was very convenient. And certainly an airport 25 miles outside the city that wasn't easy to get to. The area is supported by a granite shelf.
Starting point is 00:15:13 So it has a very stable landmass as far as building things tall or deep. It's a mile high. And it's shielded from the west by the Rocky Mountains, which is a strategic location militarily. And it's about as far from any ocean as you can get. So it was a good location for national defense to put an airport in this area. It almost became a fixation for them to have some sort of military-grade base. I mean, the runways are military-grade.
Starting point is 00:15:46 The underground facilities are military-grade. You could land a space shuttle on the runways if you wanted to. So it seemed as though this airport was more than just... some sort of practical commercial air traffic base. Why have the most incredible airport in the entire country next to the most incredible defense location in the entire country like, say, NORAD or Cheyenne Mountain, and not connected to?
Starting point is 00:16:16 It would make sense to me if I was designing the facility to have a major airport with the ability to land the largest military planes that we have, close to the command and control, which would be NORAT for the entire North America. And it also makes sense to me if you're going to have a budget overrun of hundreds of millions of dollars, this would be a good budget item to hide. It's been a long and costly haul, but tonight it's paying off. The new Denver International Airport is open for business.
Starting point is 00:16:51 After 16 months of delays, a United Airlines jetliner did the honors early this morning. Flight 1062 took off for Kansas City at 6 a.m., officially opening the United Airlines jetliner. the airport. DIA began flight operations in 1995. That's nearly two years behind schedule and almost $2 billion over budget. This alone raised eyebrows. Design changes, contract disputes, people constantly getting fired and hired, leading to a slew of various workers on the job, and all of them employed under different contractors and independent companies. It's thought that, nobody really knows the true scope of the project. And allegedly, that's the way the architects wanted it to be.
Starting point is 00:17:40 I first heard about the Denver airport conspiracies in the mid-90s because there was a lot of talk about this airport that was being built that was way overbuilt. It was a ridiculous amount of expenditure at the time. And when we see budget overruns and missed delivery dates, it tends to make us think something else is going on. get suspicious and we start asking questions. And also keeping in mind, the amount of contractors that worked on this project and the amount of firing that happened and rehiring.
Starting point is 00:18:11 And it was almost like they would have contractors work on a certain section of this airport. And then after a certain amount of time, they would find an excuse to fire that contractor, bring another one in and work on this tiny segment. And then they would fire that contractor, bring another one in, work on another tiny segment in the same exact areas. Right. But that's what's called compartmentalization. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:33 Doesn't that kind of remind you of Area 51? Yeah, Area 51, CIA stuff, intelligence, all of that. They do things like that for compartmentalization. And also the fact that so many of these contractors, there were a lot of them that had to actually sign security clearances. I've looked that up. And so a lot of the main contractors were contractors for the government because this was a multi.
Starting point is 00:18:55 And by the way, I said a million earlier. It's a billion dollar, multi-billion dollar. multi-billion dollar project. And so when they would bring in these contractors, a lot of these people would have to be cleared. And that's very similar, by the way, like if you work at an airport, for example, and any time that say Air Force One comes in, Air Force 2 or any government aircraft, anybody that is near that airplane, especially like fueling or any of that stuff, ground handling, they all have to be cleared by the Secret Service.
Starting point is 00:19:21 They have to be cleared through background checks. And then the entire time that those ground handlers are around that air, There's always secret service agents with them at all times, making sure that, you know, before the fuel goes in, is tested, before they even touch the airplane. They're watching everything they're doing because they don't obviously want someone to sabotage us. So the point is, is like, if you're working on a government project, which I believe Denver International was and is a government facility and project, although on the surface, it looks like a public use airport, it is. but I think there's something much bigger behind the scenes, which is why they compartmentalized everything, and they fired so many people, brought in so many new people. And as we'll hear just a moment, the amount of money they spent alone on the fiber optics and the cabling underneath the airport was insane. Yeah, and that was for the baggage claim.
Starting point is 00:20:12 Supposedly. Yeah. Supposedly. And even actually in this documentary, I'll stop when we get to that point. But when they start talking about the baggage conveyor system and some of the stuff, that it shows on the ground around this conveyor system. It just doesn't make sense. It looks like a sciop.
Starting point is 00:20:28 Yeah, and then they spend billions of dollars and it screws up. Yeah. Like, what the heck? It's a joke. Now, I started looking at it because I worked for major aircraft corporations and I started looking at all of the different aspects of the airport. And while you could make an argument that it was going to be a major hub, it was so overbuilt to like a military grade that I begin to get suspicious.
Starting point is 00:20:50 Like a lot of people did, and what is this all about? What are they really doing here? Why are they really building this thing? And what's its true purpose? Is it simply a hub airport? Or is it something even darker, deeper, scarier than that? This over-budget thing with the Denver airport, as far as, like, fueling the conspiracies,
Starting point is 00:21:08 I mean, to me, it's like, has any massive government project ever not gone over-budget? They're focusing on it here, but if you zoomed out, I mean, is there literally a single airport in the history of American airports that has ever been built under budget. I would say probably not. The final dollar amount was $4.8 billion.
Starting point is 00:21:27 That was about $2 billion over budget, and it took about 16 months more to build than anyone had anticipated. I've gone over the GAO report on the airport, and there were a lot of things going on in the area that local residents reported on. First of all, there were trains of dirt of dirt that were hauled out of this area,
Starting point is 00:21:51 dirt and rock, way more. way more than what has actually been excavated that we can actually see. The other thing is that there were reports of detonation on seismic recordings, and that's different than an earthquake. But these detonations occurred miles from the airport during the construction time. So it leads us to believe that something was being done underground, miles from the airport, and there's no explanation for it. Apparently there are construction workers who claim that they worked on four or five buildings
Starting point is 00:22:24 that were actually constructed on the site deep underground and then were never used but were simply subsequently buried. And then the new buildings were built on top of it. Now that doesn't make any kind of sense at all from an expense or an engineering perspective. It's as if they were being created for some future time when they would be needed. And that's a little, again, nerve-wracking scary because why would they do that? Why would they build these huge buildings able to house all kinds of people and equipment and things like that if they didn't intend to use them?
Starting point is 00:22:57 Building structures underground is very typical for government facilities. In 1946, Eisenhower commissioned the building of what's known as Site R, which is built under Raven Rock Mountain. This is built in very short order with World War II money. And it has five buildings, five, five story buildings underground. It has its own water treatment plant. It has two tunnels large enough to drive heavy equipment in and out. It has a third tunnel, 6.7 miles long that connects it to Camp David. Why?
Starting point is 00:23:29 To move leadership from Camp David Airport, where the airport is, underground to CIDAR to where the emergency alert system is headquartered. It makes sense. You simply don't spend hundreds of millions or billions of dollars on building stuff that you're never going to use. There have been a lot of mistakes with a lot of money being spent on things that were never utilized. To me, I just, I mean, I'm not a huge fan of big governments. And I think that like the best minds in business don't work for the government. They work in the private sector. So when the government makes huge blunders and blows giant contracts, I'm like, yeah, of course.
Starting point is 00:24:10 They don't have to do a good job because there's no competition. And I want to stop for a second because during the 16-month start, There was a 16-month stall in this airport building. And when I say stall, we're talking about they stopped all work. This was the work above ground. But what a lot of people know is that during this stall, there were still a lot of residents around this area that said that there were still trucks and there were still things going in and out.
Starting point is 00:24:37 But supposedly all work had stopped. So what that tells me is whatever they were building during that 16 months was something they could not have anybody else on site, especially like civilian contractors. on site to be able to see probably the tunnel building or the massive building that they were building underneath the actual airport. This is why I think that 16 months stall happened. This is also why it obviously probably went above, you know, budget over $2.5 billion over budget. But that's just what we know about.
Starting point is 00:25:07 Obviously, we know like the Pentagon budget. I think there's like what, 60% of the Pentagon budget that is unaccounted for. We don't ever know what the hell they do with the money. And so it's projects like this is why they never, ever pass an audit. I mean, the Pentagon never does. And it's every single audit that the Pentagon has ever had, they never pass because 60% of the money usually, they don't know where it is. And it's because of projects like this.
Starting point is 00:25:31 And that's why the Pentagon can just get away with that because they say, well, it's for national security. Well, and I just want to mention, too, when we were like, and we still are in a nuclear threat always. Yeah. But Colorado is one of the number one targets for nuclear weapons to come to Colorado first. Yeah. And it's because of all of our military and because of our underground bases and underground things that we have going on that we don't even know about.
Starting point is 00:25:58 Yeah. I mean, well, and that's the thing. Like if you're going to attack America, if you could somehow penetrate the most sensitive military bases, it's likely going to be in Colorado. As you said, I mean, you think about NORAD, Shion Mountain, likely so many other bases underneath these massive Rocky Mountains. and even just before the Rocky Mountains, I mean, that would be the place if you're China or Russia to takeout to completely destroy any hope for America to still survive because many people believe these tunnels or these underground bases under Colorado are very deep. And we're talking about insanely deep to where nuclear blast wouldn't affect it. EMPs wouldn't affect it. Nothing would affect it.
Starting point is 00:26:36 And they essentially have their own living system, their own cities, their own everything underneath Colorado. So there were temporary buildings that were out heard during construction. They're gone now. They're not underground. There's nothing that we're hiding and covering up. We definitely had to go underground to support the full airport. And by the way, she just said, you know, those buildings, they're gone now. So where did they go?
Starting point is 00:27:00 Yeah. And why did you build them? Yeah. And where did they go? Did someone come and just take them and they repossessed them? They're like, sorry, we got to take these buildings out. I mean, that we built, you know, like a thousand feet underground or more. But they said they're not there anymore.
Starting point is 00:27:12 Does that mean they just put dirt in them or like, what do they do? Yeah. I mean, I don't understand. Well, she literally said they're not there anymore. This is why you don't just get some random PR person to like be talking to Fox or whoever these mainstream media outlets are because then they're just going to say the most random stuff. And the entire time this woman talks, she's the most unbelievable person ever.
Starting point is 00:27:32 Now, she's smiling the entire documentary. Like she has a smile on her face the entire time. And it's just like, well, maybe they'll just look at my smile, even though I have no idea what the hell I'm saying. Yeah, and I am kind of cute. Yeah, well, she's not that cute. Anyways. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:27:46 Sorry. I'm not with buildings. I mean, well, yes, with tunnels. Yes, with maintenance areas. Yes, with utility corridors. But buildings? I absolutely think there are lower levels underneath where we're talking about. Everything that we toured was under steel and concrete.
Starting point is 00:28:06 There were areas that went to lower regions. which they claimed was used to manage utilities. And when we asked get access, they said we would have to have a business case to be able to go there. So we could see the opening, but we couldn't go in. The iron workers, construction workers, and electricians say that thousands of miles were wired underground in fiber optic cables alone and that their contracts were in the tens of millions of dollars to get that job done. The one thing that I noticed, and I've been in construction most of my life, commercial construction, is the afterthought. There is a lot of afterthought in the duct work, in the conduit, in the way things are laid out.
Starting point is 00:28:51 It was no wonder things cost so much money because they planned as they went. And this guy talking, by the way, as an architect, and he does massive architecture projects. So when he went to tour this place and kind of seen how everything was laid out underground, and he's like, there's no way. This is just for the airport. There's just no possible way. As far as there, like, maybe being secret things underneath the Denver airport that are military secrets or government secrets, I mean, part of me hopes that there is. And if there's not there, there's not there, there's somewhere else. Because if there was some big cataclysmic event, you are going to need to have a place to house top military minds.
Starting point is 00:29:28 And you're going to need to keep, like, a certain amount of leadership around. To me, that's not nefarious. That's just good planning. It would make sense to put that much space, that sick. secure underground, not to necessarily store items, but maybe to secure people. There should be enough space down there to keep hundreds of thousands of people safe from something that might be happening above ground. But also keep in mind, they're not building this for you guys to go and live if some
Starting point is 00:29:57 type of cataclysmic event happens. There's also a reason why all of these elites like Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates have been spending like hundreds of millions of dollars on underground bunkers the past 10 years. It's because they know whatever. I think they know more than we know. I think they know what's coming. I think they suspect something or they know something behind the scenes. And maybe the reason why they're doing all this and maybe the reason why they know more
Starting point is 00:30:21 than you do is because maybe they're a part of the plan to actually depopulate the earth. That is literally what the Illuminati wants. That's what the New World Order wants. And I just so happen to find it weird that this whole. airport commission was called the New World Airport Commission. Yeah, and when we get into the Merrill, they totally go along these lines as well. Yeah, like the cataclysmic events, the end of times, the end of the world. They're built in layers and levels.
Starting point is 00:30:51 So the main tunnel is, you know, right below, just like a floor below us. It's no different than a basement. And then there is a subterranean kind of area that goes right below the utilities. There are known to be as many as six underground levels below the ground floor of DIA. And theorists say possibly more that we're not being told about. When the reporter goes with the PR girl underground, at least the first floor underground, but we know there's six floors, at least and likely more. It's to our left and right.
Starting point is 00:31:30 So just parking over here on this side over here is where our loading dock is, where, you know, we get deliveries, things like that. There's office space, our restaurants and retail, and all these people have space under here to store their goods. Why can't you go over there? Just so this is all part of the old baggage system. So see? So it's really probably blocked off just because it's unsafe.
Starting point is 00:31:57 Denver built the first state-of-the-art baggage system, a system which involved 22 miles of tracks and conveyor belts. But it didn't work as planned and instead, quote, chewed up and spit out bags. Now, airport workers use the underground tunnels zooming around in golf carts between the terminals and the concourse to move baggage. But to this day, strangely, they never opted to fix the multimillion dollar system. It was poorly designed. When you're trying to move from different concourses, different airplanes, baggage is going on another airplane or baggage is going to baggage claim. There are a lot of decisions to be made by that baggage system,
Starting point is 00:32:37 the haphazard way that it was constructed. It just did not look sophisticated. It was just not thought through very well. Things are bolted together. They're using angle iron. They're using things that are designed for that purpose. And then they're trying to make that logic work. You kind of wonder, like, why did they put all this money into this baggage system
Starting point is 00:33:01 and then not maintain it, allow it to fall into disrepresenting it, allow it to fall into disrepair. It is one of those things that just doesn't add up and doesn't make a lot of sense. They never fix the baggage system under the Denver airport because of just embarrassment and political optics. It's like if you ask people to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on some gigantic project,
Starting point is 00:33:20 and then you just completely blow it, coming back and asking for hundreds of millions of more dollars to fix your massive colossal mistake, doesn't look good for anybody who has voted in. It does seem convenient that this system broke down and now they have this vast system of tunnels underneath the airport that they now use to drive typical baggage carts back and forth between the airplanes and the terminals. So it's almost as though that was used as an excuse to create these massive tunnels.
Starting point is 00:33:52 I'm told, my dear viewers, that this gate is usually locked. So if you look above me, you see what used to be the original ahead of its time, baggage, conveyor belt. there were buckets on here for these suitcases. Look at this. It's like a vintage 90s Delcy. We know Samsung right here. And listen, when this reporter is here and she goes into this kind of like baggage area, there's all these old suitcases.
Starting point is 00:34:18 Underground. Underground that have like dust on them and stuff like that. And they're just kind of laid around. It's almost like they laid these suitcases around as like just an image. Yeah, like a sci op or something. Yeah. Like this is an image. We want you to understand.
Starting point is 00:34:32 that yes, it did used to be a baggage claim. Look at all these bags that are still here randomly from like 30 years, right? I mean, it's like 30 years. Yeah. And it's like, oh, we just kept them there. Why did you keep the bags there? Whose bags are they? Why are they just laying out and have dust on them?
Starting point is 00:34:49 And they're like these old suitcases. It makes no sense. Yeah, I think it's just a front for what they were really doing underground. I don't think it had anything to do with the baggage claim. No, I think the entire system was built underground for a sciop, for a visual interpretation of they want you to believe, hey, this is why we had to build this massive underground structure. We wanted to create this claim system, this baggage system that was like a multimillion
Starting point is 00:35:14 dollar system. And then all of a sudden it just didn't work. It never worked because there was a piece of shit. Yeah. And they're going to spend billions of dollars and it doesn't work the first time. Like, come on. Yeah, that's ridiculous. And not believable at all.
Starting point is 00:35:25 Graveyard behind me, they would fall off of the conveyor belts, fall down here. And this is where they remember. But look at this. Everyone loves a runway, right? A little catwalk action. Here's my thing. They said this is as deep as it goes. Well, clearly, there's more. Just getting a peek. They left the front door wide open for all the reptilians to come on down. Friday night, maybe they're having a cocktail party or something and inducting some new members into the Freemasonry. I don't know. What do I know? The reigning theory is that the airport hides the headquarters of the Illuminati, a group of highly influential people around the world, controlling the banks, military, and governments through a nefarious shadow government.
Starting point is 00:36:15 Their aim is to take over the world through a new world order. And top of their agenda is reducing the world's population so maintainable control is insured. And I want to stop for a second because for those that don't actually know what the Illuminati is, it's called the Bavarian Illuminati. And it was founded in 1776 by Adam Weishop. He was a professor of canon law. His stated goal was to oppose monarchy, organized religion, and traditional power structures, replacing them with enlightenment rationalism. And so it operated in cells. Members often didn't know who was above them.
Starting point is 00:36:50 It infiltrated the Freemason Lodges to expand influence. members included academics, judges, aristocrats. It was officially banned in the 1780s, but documents suggested it had already spread across Europe. And so conspiracy theorists argue that many of these powerful networks, they don't dissolve. They rebrand. So commonly cited successors of the Illuminati was the high degree Freemasonry. The elite university societies like skull and bones, which George W. Bush was a part of. And actually, many presidents were a part of that.
Starting point is 00:37:20 International think tanks and invitation only policy groups like World Economic Forum, Bilderberg groups, you name it, banking dynasties and legacy families. So we're talking about some of the biggest banking families in the world are a part of these systems. And then you think about the symbolism, right? So this internal identification, the psychological conditioning of all this, and the mockery or consent through revelation. We know about the all C and I, the pyramid, which was unfinished eternal project is what
Starting point is 00:37:48 it's known for, checkerboard floors, which means duality order versus chaos. and the one eye symbolism, the initiation of enlightenment. Even the U.S. dollar bill, obviously many people talk about this, is a focal point, especially with the Great Seal adopted long after America's founding, which was featuring the Latin phrases implying a new world of the ages. And so why do these symbols keep appearing across all these governments and corporations and entertainment? And they all appear with striking consistency.
Starting point is 00:38:18 And as we listen to more of this, these symbols also appear in Denver International airport. People often think that DIA was built by them to weather out an apocalypse or extinction event of some kind. The question always comes up about the Illuminati. They're not like the Freemasons where they're out there in the open and you can actually say these people exist. They do have secret rituals. They do keep these secrets. So nobody really knows who they are, but they are rumored to be the ones that are sort of behind everything in terms of they're the puppet masters to control the other secret societies and have them do their bidding. The question is to what end? The Illuminati is a modern name. It means basically the illumined ones or the enlightened ones.
Starting point is 00:39:06 It sort of leans to the idea that they're the ones that really know what's going on. But it is very ancient. It goes all the way back before the days of Solomon. The rumor has persisted for centuries that some deep reservoir of untold wealth is in the control of a secret society that has, we don't know, been looking for the good of mankind or been looking out to enslave mankind. And even if we think about the New World Order, for example, right, the World Economic Forum where all of these elites every single year go to Davos, Switzerland, and they all meet, and they mostly meet to try to shape the world in the way they want.
Starting point is 00:39:48 wanted. George Soros, along with Claus Schwab, which is one of the leaders of the World Economic Forum, he's like the main chair guy, where they both talk about that one day we see a people that will own nothing and be happy. You will eat bugs and be happy. You will never own anything. You will basically just work for what you do. And you will not have money. You will not have your own vehicle, your own house. You will live in 15-minute cities. We will control every single thing that you do. And a lot of people have always thought that was just some big futuristic conspiracy theory. but the reality is that AI as it advances and as the government gets more control, more surveillance, and more censorship on the public, the easier it's going to be for them to completely take over our lives and control every single thing we do. We see this in China.
Starting point is 00:40:32 We see this in a lot of these tyrannical states or countries. China is leading the way, but now Donald Trump's obviously like, hey, we got to lead the way even bigger than hugely, more than China. We got to be the best AI nation in the world. And even if you look at Starbase, or it's not Starbase, but I think they call it, it Starbase where they're building all the AI infrastructure right now. We're talking about multi-billions and billions of dollars of investment and they're going to house all these servers in Texas. And these servers are essentially going to be used, in my opinion, to control every single
Starting point is 00:41:07 thing that we do as people. And especially, like, you know, we've heard about the flock camera systems and the systems that actually see everything you do now. They're being installed on many streets. They're being put in police cars. You know, you almost can't drive anywhere nowadays without law enforcement knowing what your tag says. If you're this, if it's expired, they don't even have to see you anymore.
Starting point is 00:41:28 Their systems are always monitoring this. And even in our city, I mean, we have all these camera systems coming up on every single red light. And these camera systems know every single thing you're doing where you're going, when you're going. And I'm sure that once the AI really starts to, to get built, those systems are going to be able to offload that data, offload those camera systems, identify your vehicle and know exactly where and when and what time you do things.
Starting point is 00:41:54 They're going to start building these patterns and they're going to be able to completely and utterly control every single thing that we do. And that's the scary part. So that's what the Illuminati essentially is. The Illuminati are the elites. They are the people that are behind a lot of these systems that they are starting to implement into our everyday lives. And that's why people like the World Economic Forum, Claus Schwab and George Soros and all of them meet every year because they're figuring out how to better be able to do this, how to better be able to control a mass population because they have two options.
Starting point is 00:42:25 They either figure out how to control a mass population with AI or with other systems, surveillance, censorship, you name it, or they're going to have to kill off a lot of people to better be able to control. Instead of 8 billion people, they control 500 million, which is exactly what the Georgia guy. Stone's talked about. Yeah, and I think that's where an end event comes into play. And when they're talking about this underground system under DIA and Chad said, this is not for you. It's not for me. No. It's for them. It's exactly for them. And it's, you know, they have these systems in place to watch us to make sure we're in the right places when this happens. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And, and, you know, even thinking back to COVID-19 and, you know, the event, too, one and how all of these elites and media companies and news organizations and social media and
Starting point is 00:43:17 all of this they all met to plan COVID-19. They all met to figure out how to stop dissent and how to counter dissent and how to censor the right people and how to make sure that the doctors that were trying to save your life were censored in silence, but the ones that were trying to maybe kill you or to make the situation worse or put you on a ventilator when you shouldn't have been on a ventilator. Or go with their system. Yeah. They wanted to maximize their.
Starting point is 00:43:41 voice, but they wanted to kill off the voices of the people that are actually there to help you. And so all of these meetings, all of these structures of people, the deep state, the authoritarian figures, the global order, those people do exist. There is zero question about that. And, you know, and as we said in the beginning of the show to where I was like, man, I'm glad to be away from the political stuff just for even one episode. But all of this does essentially tie back to politics. And there's, you know, politics are, I guess, in my opinion, the,
Starting point is 00:44:11 public-facing side of the New World Order. That is, those people are still being controlled by the global elites. They are the ones that are being controlled by the deep state. They are the ones that are being controlled by the Illuminati's. And it's both sides. It doesn't matter. You know, I see all these people arguing about Democrat, Republican, but it doesn't really matter if you're a Republican or a Democrat because it just doesn't matter because
Starting point is 00:44:36 there's a system in place that's way deeper than one side or another. Yeah, I mean, look, I understand the abortion issues are important. I understand that like the weed legalization is important. I understand that. Or even the Epstein files. All that stuff is important. Oh, absolutely. But this is, this goes way deeper than right versus left.
Starting point is 00:44:55 Yeah. And but they use these things. I mean, they'll use Epstein. They'll use this. They'll use all of these things. And when I say Epstein, they'll use like the actual blackmail ring. That this is, these are the people that are really behind the scenes, right? And you can, you can debate and decipher like who are the leaders or what
Starting point is 00:45:10 countries are a part of it, what intelligence is a part of it. But what I'm trying to make people understand is that is the people that meet at the World Economic Forum. It's the people that meet at the Bilderberg Group, which has been around for a very long time. If you want to talk about Illuminati meetings, Bilderberg Group was one of the first. They were the global powerful elites that met every single year, just like World Economic Forum. And they essentially met in a private underground facility where they talked about how they were going to create this new world order and control.
Starting point is 00:45:40 the world. And, you know, it's the New World Order's goal and I guess in their guidelines, where they have to open borders. They have to completely mix every single race of people, every single culture together to cause infighting, to cause almost civil war, to overthrow governments. This is how you stop the sovereignty of a nation. This is how you destroy nations. You do it from within. You don't do it with missiles and rockets. You do it by completely destroying everything those countries were made from. And that's exactly what's happening today. they also want to depopulate the world. Oh, for sure.
Starting point is 00:46:13 And we got, and they're going to figure out how to do that. You know, I think they did try to do that with COVID. Well, I think that was a, I think that was a trial run. Yeah. And like I said, we've done many episodes. If you guys have not listened back on some of those episodes that we did during COVID, uh, there's a couple episodes I want you guys to go and check out. The NEPA virus episode, if you just type in NIPAH, we did that episode, uh, around the time
Starting point is 00:46:37 of COVID. I think it was probably a couple of years ago. But the NEPA virus is. is extremely deadly, extremely dangerous. And the same funders of COVID-19 and, you know, the coronavirus, the same people that were behind that. A lot of those same people are also behind these very deadly viruses like NEPA. And NEPA makes COVID look like nothing.
Starting point is 00:46:57 I mean, you know, COVID was nothing compared to NEPA. NEPA is something that you could get. You could have it for a month with no symptoms at all. And then you spread it to as many people as possible over that 30 days. and then as soon as your body actually activates, which is usually after 30 days, it's like an 80% mortality rate. And these viruses are literally in labs right now, still being gain of function, still being created and still being made more deadly. And it's not just China that's doing it or Russia or somebody like that. It's our own scientists in the United States or America that are also contributing to this, just like we saw COVID-19.
Starting point is 00:47:32 So when we talk about Denver International Airport, the Illuminati, the Deep State, the World Global Order, or the New World Order, all of this, stuff is true. Like a lot of that stuff is true. And, you know, Denver International is almost just like them pushing it in your face and saying, ha, ha, ha, this is exactly what's going to happen. We're going to show you in the biggest, one of the biggest airports or properties in the world. And then we're going to like joke about it after. Yeah. And they do joke about it. And not only do they joke about it with their new construction areas, but they also have murals that show you playing in sight, in my opinion, what they're trying to do. Yeah, what their plan is for Sure.
Starting point is 00:48:09 Connection to the apocalypse, this being a bunker, Barack Obama hiding here during... I wish I knew. I think it's just when government builds something in an open, blank field, 25 miles outside the city, there's a lot of questions people ask. Let's get into NORAD, if you'll entertain me with this. Tunnel connecting these tunnels to the Cheyenne Mountain Range. to house and shelter the elite in case of a catastrophic event. So I think some people believed in the past that these tunnels connected 75 plus miles south of here. You already got a train down here.
Starting point is 00:49:06 Yeah, but this is the end of the line. It doesn't go any farther than this. So you say the Chey... Yeah, and they're literally only on one little tunnel system. That's it. And this is the same route they take everybody else. But on this documentary, this PR girl wants to make Fox and their, I guess, watchers believe that, oh, this is the only tunnel, which is complete horseshit because there's been other people that there are many sections you can't even get near underground at this airport. Mountain Complex is a space force installation and defensive bunker.
Starting point is 00:49:37 The complex is 2,000 feet underground, housing 15 three-story buildings that are totally protected from any Earth movement. earthquake or nuclear explosion. It's the only high-altitude facility certified to sustain an EMP. Now, if there is, in fact, an underground base beneath the airport, it would need power, right? Believers say the power will come from the airport's fuel system, which holds almost 3 million gallons. This amount of fuel is far more than any airport in the United States, or really anywhere. It's incredible. Yeah, and by the way, it's not even close.
Starting point is 00:50:20 I mean, the amount of fuel they have at this airport is astronomical. It is like world ending type fuel is how much fuel they have this airport. So obviously, it's not there for the planes or for a fuel farm system, which is what every airport essentially has across the country. I mean, most fuel farms at airports hold thousands of gallons, but not even close to multi-millions of gallons of fuel. And so obviously there's a reason for this. the amount of fuel that they have there, and they really won't tell anybody, whether it's jet fuel, JPA, is it for commercial aircraft, is it for rockets, is it for missiles? Nobody knows, but it's almost as if it's the world's reserve storage facility for different kinds of volatile fuels. And you would not need to do that unless you were building some sort of secret base that might involve not just commercial air travel and not just military air travel, but perhaps even space travel. So the fact that you were building some sort of secret base base that might involve not just commercial air travel, but perhaps even space travel. So the fact. The fact that,
Starting point is 00:51:17 The fact that they won't talk about the actual amount of fuel that's there and the fact that they won't talk about what kind of fuel it is is very, very telling. I can't share the types of fuels or the amounts that we have on hand. I can say, yes, we have a very large fuel farm. We pump more than a million gallons of fuel every single day. And the other thing that we do is we run a lot of it underground so that we don't have to have fuel trucks on the airport and can keep it more efficient. We're not storing fuel for the future, so only the world's elite get fuel. Propane is not a very good fuel for generating electricity. It's not got near the energy in it, say, of methane, natural gas.
Starting point is 00:51:58 I would think if they were going to run generators to actually run the airport, that it would run on methane and not propane. Methane gas is probably piped from a well somewhere drilled off-site. Propane is liquid, and it's generated by a plant, usually a refinery and delivered the facility. It would be a great security item to be able to have your airport be able to run off-grid if you needed it to. Secrets bother some people so badly, but there's reasons. It's like there's reasons the government can't share national security secrets because our enemies would find out and our weaknesses would be exposed and people could die. I don't know why people
Starting point is 00:52:36 have such trouble with secrets and tournament conspiracies because we all have them. There is a pattern with secret societies and especially dark ones, ones that are not necessarily working for the good of humanity. That pattern is that they have to put everything out there in front of you. They have to tell you or show you what they're planning to do now. So there's this dedication plaque in the main terminal, which talks about the creation of the airport under what's called the New World Airport Commission. And no matter how much you dig, you really can't find anything about the New World Airport Commission, except there's a few names associated with it, which have now passed on and they're not with us anymore.
Starting point is 00:53:16 So nobody can really ask them what the heck the new World Airport Commission is. The Capstone recognizes the opening of the airport. It does talk about the new World Airport Commission. And then it has a bunch of things in the Time Capsule that were relevant at that time when the airport opened in 1995. But that's not all. Do you notice anything familiar? Take a closer look.
Starting point is 00:53:39 This triangular symbol etched into the stone is an emblem that's used by the same. secret society known as the Freemasons. Shrouted in secrecy and exclusivity, the Freemasons have been the subject of multiple conspiracies due to their undisclosed rituals. The Freemasons have a history of opening public buildings and working on public buildings. They were a part of the history here. We have honored that with our capstone and our time capsule. And even though then it still causes those questions and curious people think there's some other purpose. It's pretty simple and pretty straightforward. Yeah, even though we know that the Illuminati, the actual deep state, the world actors,
Starting point is 00:54:24 the new world order, you know, elites, they infiltrated the Freemasons. And you can look that up on AI. AI will tell you that as well. And the funny thing about this, too, is that how Denver International Airport wants to frame the New World Air Airport Commission is they always, they're trying to tell you that it's the new airport is what the new means and then the world airport commission. Those are two separate things. But the reality of it is, it says new world airport commission, the new world, because that's
Starting point is 00:54:54 what the, the Luminati believes in. That's what the new world order globalists believe in. The new world, the fourth turning, the kind of final chapter, very similar to the pale horse. And we'll talk about the pail horse in a minute because we're about to get into that, because there is a massive statue on the property of a horse and how that's all tied into this fourth turning, the fourth industrial revolution, the New World Order, and the Illuminati is all very creepy. Yeah, and I don't think they would have the murals inside the airport and all these symbolism
Starting point is 00:55:24 if it was just a coincidence. No, absolutely not. This is all things that are tied together. And it's so funny, like how someone tries to make excuses for every single thing that is in this airport that all has signs and. symbolism to exactly what we've been talking about so far. The airport was dedicated on March 19th, 1994, which if you take that from a numerological perspective, it adds up to 33.
Starting point is 00:55:50 Now, of course, in the Scottish right of the free Masonic movement, the number 33 is very significant. You have 32 degrees, which you can take voluntarily, but to be a 33rd degree Scottish right Freemason, you have to be invited into that very, very top level organization. Prime example of that would be somebody like Buzz Aldrin, the first 32nd degree Scottish right Freemason to walk on the surface of the moon. So all of these things are significant to the Freemasons, and they understand all of this astronomical geometry when they set their capstones, when they set their dedication stones,
Starting point is 00:56:25 and when they pick their dates. There's no question about that. I would say people are incredibly creative. That was just simply when the airport was dedicated. None of these things are happening. But I can understand. It's weird. When you look at all of them in combination, it definitely seems odd.
Starting point is 00:56:41 And I can see why people question these things. Isn't it weird that Buzz Aldrin was like one of the highest levels? And he was supposedly a guy, an astronaut that walked on a moon. We'll have to ask old Bart Cybrel about that. Yeah, it's coming on Monday. Monday, yeah, absolutely. We'll ask him about that for you guys. I think with the Freemasons, it's so funny to me that they keep getting tied to like the
Starting point is 00:57:02 Illuminati and the New World Order. It's like, have you seen? a Masonic lodge recently. Like, they are shitholes. Like, they are falling apart. Yeah, Freemason, I'm not worried about the Freemasons at all. If this was real, there would be no imagery. There would be no symbolism.
Starting point is 00:57:18 There would be no weird math that you can do to add up to 33. It would just be quiet and benign and boring. In 2007, 14 commercial aircrafts reported simultaneous shattered windshields as they flew over DIA. Believers say this is the result of interference from electromagnetic pulses emanating from the airport itself. The airport says it was a coincidental stroke of bad luck from freezing temperatures. When you're a pilot, the one thing that really is important is being able to see clearly out the front windshield. Now, the side glass that we see next to our seat is just plastic. It gets scratched up.
Starting point is 00:58:04 We don't really get a clear view out the window. but the front glass is very critical. An aircraft windshield is made of a very strong polycarbonate glass, but it's much stronger than just a typical windscreen, like on your car. The number one cause of the cracks in airplane windshields, you would think, oh, it's birds or it's hail. No, it's electrical arcing. You have to think, how could 13 planes undergo an electrical arc
Starting point is 00:58:30 that would break their windshield or shatter their windshield? The fact that all of these windscreens were actually shattered to some extent or cracked very, very badly indicates that this was a very, very powerful wave of some kind. There are weapon systems that we have and that we were testing when this occurred in February of 2007 that can put tremendous amounts of ionic voltage in the air. And when planes fly through that, they have a way to move the ions around the plane. But the one place that you can't move the ions is the glass. So... And that's not completely.
Starting point is 00:59:06 incidental guys i mean 14 airplanes with shattered windshields that went over or around the airport at the time and this was also when shiann mountain and norad and some of these other places were testing likely what is electromagnetic weapons obviously we just did an episode i don't know a few episodes ago when we talked about this Venezuela invasion or the Venezuela raid to where you know a lot of these guards that were protected Maduro they were encountered with soldiers they said that they've never seen before and weapons that they never even knew existed and to where they were bleeding from the nose and the mouth and all this stuff and this was just from a guard that survived yeah it stopped them in their tracks yeah they could not even defend anything yeah just today actually
Starting point is 00:59:48 i saw um a video of there was 32 cuban guards that landed in cuba today and they these other guards were taken their like little caskets of their they were all cremated but it was 32 guards that were taken off the airplane today from that raid. So there was at least 32 Cuban guards that died during that raid. But yeah, the guards that survived or a few of them said they'd never seen weapons like this. There were some type of weapon that was like frying their brain. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:19 It was, it was basically frying them from inside out. And so if we don't think that we have weapons like this in the United States, we absolutely do. And the fact that this happened over the Denver International Airport with all of this speculation and conspiracy around the air. airport is, I think, a no-brainer. And I don't want to sound crazy, but when I think about electric magnetic, I think about UFOs.
Starting point is 01:00:42 I think about things that are out of this world. Reverse engineered. Yeah. Could this airport have something to do with that also? I mean, for sure. I mean, that could be, they could house some of that stuff in Cheyenne or NORAD or whatever, anywhere underground. I mean, that's why so many people were fascinated with Area 51 still.
Starting point is 01:01:00 But the reality of it is, is that if we do have down spacecraft or, or, or, reverse engineering spacecraft or whatever the case is, likely it is underground now. I mean, we have so many bases underground. It's ridiculous. Why would you ever work on anything like that above ground anymore? You can't. No, it's crazy. But yeah, this particular incident were 14 airplanes.
Starting point is 01:01:20 They all had their windshields cracked or shattered. You know, they had some type of electromagnetic wave that went through the air that shattered their windshields. And I'm sure they were testing something that maybe got out of wherever it was underground. and likely was right around where this airport is because that's where they were when they were flying. Builds up around the frame and it tries to arc across the opening by going through the glass. That's what causes it to break. This kind of event is very uncommon.
Starting point is 01:01:51 The FAA has been asked numerous times about that event. They made a public statement, which was that there were high winds that day of gus of up to 53 miles an hour, maybe 100 miles an hour aloft. But these airplanes fly right under the speed of sound. So the FAA gave, I think, an empty reason. This was caused by something else, and they didn't want to reveal what it was. As with many of the aspects of DIA that play into the hands of conspiracy theorists, the buildings and layout of the airport do as well.
Starting point is 01:02:26 Some say, looking at a bird's eye view of DIA, all the runways and terminals together can, seem to be constructed in the shape of a swastika. That is frankly absurd and slightly offensive is people suggesting that our runways were built to look like a swastika. That we have a lot of problems with. That's not the case. If you really look at them, they probably look more like a pinwheel.
Starting point is 01:02:54 There are two runways going in each direction, north, south, east and west, because that is the most efficient way we can operate this airport. Now, that's not true. First of all, look at it. It looks like a swastika. And, I mean, maybe it's offensive, but whoever built it also had some symbolism here. Now, the funny thing is, is like, why would you say that a swastika would be built? Now, also the Freemasonry stuff, right?
Starting point is 01:03:17 For example, if you look at the streets of Washington, D.C., how the streets in Washington, D.C. are designed is the Illuminati slash Freemasonry symbol, the same type of symbol that was put on this dedication stone in Denver and National Airport. The interesting thing about the airport, though, the way the runways are laid out, it does look like a swastika. Now, how does Nazism or Nazi Germany or any of that stuff tie into any of this? Well, we know that NASA was created on the Nazis. And we're talking about Warner Von Braun. We're also talking about a lot of members of our intelligence agency also came from Nazi Germany. Yeah, we brought them all over.
Starting point is 01:03:50 Yeah. And so, and it's not just the people that founded it. We're talking about the greatest physicist potentially of our time somehow came from Nazi Germany. That's why we were in a race after enduring World War II to go and get these people because Russia did take on some of these scientists for whatever reason Nazi Germany had a shit ton of very, very smart people. And then also not only smart guys, but we also had a ton of reports of UFOs and unidentified flying objects to food fighters. Yes. All this stuff during World War II. Some people contributed that to Nazi Germany.
Starting point is 01:04:24 It was actually their craft that were following our pilots during this time that were, you know, performing outrageous maneuvers and breakneck speeds and a lot of the same similarities we have seen with like the tic-tac video and some of these other videos this was back in world war two but then obviously um we also know of some down or crashed spacecraft that had allegedly happened in nazi germany around the time or before world war two but it almost seems like something happened with the whole nazi germany movement the hitler movement like did they sell their soul to the devil i know that sounds crazy but you think back to like the watchers and how the watchers even back in enoch days they came down they corrupted people they gave them these shields and these these swords and all this stuff
Starting point is 01:05:08 in technology like did some type of evil something come down and do the same thing to nazi germany like devil deal yeah i mean it's it's very possible maybe they sold their soul and they gave them all this technology or could it be like some type of relationship that nazi germany had with aliens or or some type of other life form. There's been all of this speculation. All I do know is that after World War II, the United States race to go get as many Nazi signs as they possibly could. And then you also have this symbolism at DIA that looks like a Nazi symbol of their
Starting point is 01:05:41 runways. Before you go on, is that like a typical runway? What an airport would look like? She says, well, it's the best way that we operate. Which doesn't make a dam. Because most runways are operated based on the usual. wins in that area. And they all, you know, all runway numbers, by the way, are a heading. So like if you have runway 2.3, that's a 2.30 heading. Or if you have a runway, that's a 05 heading, right?
Starting point is 01:06:08 And there's actually a lot of runways that are 2, 3, and 5. And not just in one airport, there's a ton of them because of prevailing winds and how winds usually flow across that airport. All of these airport designers work all of that into their design and development. So do their designs look like Nazi symbols. No, no, usually most runways are not, you know, you don't have four or five runways. But even in this case, you know, it's just weird how it absolutely looks like a Nazi Germany symbol. Not just because it's efficient, which is what a lot of people say about it. Oh, they just did that because it's efficient. Well, if that's the case, and why aren't runways laid out like that at all kinds of other airports? They're simply not. And the swastika has a very
Starting point is 01:06:51 significant religious symbolism that's associated with Freemasonry. and with other higher forms of worship and secret societies. Some say the large murals, which canvass the halls, hint at mass extinctions, new world totalitarian governments, and the Illuminati. Called Order of Chaos, here we see a military figure that resembles a German SS soldier, wearing a gas mask with a machine gun in one hand, and a sword stabbing a dove in the upper,
Starting point is 01:07:31 And so this mural has a German SS soldier depicted. He has like a skull face. He's stabbing someone and he's killing people. He's murdering people. This is just part of the mural. The left side of the mural is a mother holding a dead baby with hundreds of other mothers lined up doing the same. In the lower right corner is a piece of paper containing an actual poem written by Hannes Hachemberg, a 14-year-old who died in a Nazi concentration case. So there you go.
Starting point is 01:08:03 So this is a lot of Nazi symbolism. And then all these mothers holding dead babies. What do we often hear about babies? They're usually in occultism for sacrifice. Babies have been in large part, they will tell the mothers to sacrifice their child for the greater good of Satan or ball or whoever. And this is very big in these occultism type ritualistic groups. And especially in the elite, you know, Illuminati crowds, the New World Order crowd. That's why we hear about all this pedophilia.
Starting point is 01:08:33 That's why we hear about these crazy events, like something that rhymes with drasal drip. We'll just say that. But before you go on, these murals are no longer in the airport right now because they're, I guess, renovating. And so they're supposed to be put out in 2007. Yeah, we'll see what kind of mural that is. The violent nature of these works of art has offended passengers and spurred conspiracy theorists
Starting point is 01:09:01 alike. The artwork at the airport that was on display is disturbing. It's apocalyptic. It's post-apocalyptic. All of the nations represented all the kids and then the giant like stormtrooper in the, in the trench coat with the gas mask on and the sword. But artists, every single stroke of the brush means something to them. It's not like something was put in there by accident. Everything has to be conscious when you're creating a piece of work like that. that. The painting is disturbing, yes. To put it on display in an airport is poor judgment at the very least. It really set off all the rumors about this airport and the purpose behind it. I've seen images of like people who like to wear Nazi uniforms and kind of apocalyptic imagery.
Starting point is 01:09:53 I just interpret that as artistic choice, but some people like, ooh, they're tipping their hand. There's that whole thing of like they're, they want to let out little clues. to mess with our minds, but not too much. One of the most interesting things about conspiracy theories is it appears that this cabal, this global syndicate, this Illuminati, it appears that they have to announce what they're going to do before they do it. It's like some cosmic rule that they have. They can't surprise us. They have to sort of inform you so that you can ignore it or so that you can say, oh, that doesn't mean anything,
Starting point is 01:10:30 or align yourself with it or against it. And then once that notification is made, they're free to do what they want to do. I think that these murals, when you look at them, these horrific visuals, are saying exactly that. And they're telling you, this is what we are going to do to you. And only after we have total control, will there be peace on earth? As you arrive at Denver International Airport,
Starting point is 01:10:56 you'll be greeted with a gigantic, demonic-looking, 32-foot-tall blue horse statue, known to the locals as Blucifer, his aggressive stance rearing up on his two back legs, is only intensified by a set of red eyes that glow all hours of the day and night. Believers say Blusifer represents one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse. In the biblical book of Revelation, the fourth horseman specifically represents death. Adding to its ominous presence is the fact that it killed its own creator. Artist Luis Jimenez died while constructing the 9,000-pound Mustang when the statue's head fell onto his leg, severing his femoral artery.
Starting point is 01:11:47 And I want to stop here for a second because we got to talk about the Pell Horse. Obviously, this guy died from his own creation, which is also very strange, right? I mean, how many times does that happen? but the Pell Horse comes from the book Revelation 6, 7 through 8 with the vision of four horsemen of the apocalypse. The passage is part of the Apostle John's prophetic revelation while exiled on the island of Patmos. Now, when the four, and here's the other thing. When the fourth seal is open, John sees a Pell horse.
Starting point is 01:12:15 Its writer is named death and Hades follows closely behind. They are given authority over one quarter of the earth to kill by sword, famine, pestilence, or disease, and wild beast. Now, all this stuff sounds also very similar to COVID-19 and wars and the fact that so many people are starving and the elites have everything. They want you to have nothing, just like George Soros and Claude Schwab says, you will eat bugs, you will own nothing and be happy. Now, the Greek word is used as chloros, which does not mean pale white.
Starting point is 01:12:49 It means stickly green or blue, ashen, yellow green, or the color of decay or a corpse. think of the color as like a rotting flesh or a body drained of life. And this is the only horseman explicitly named. Death is the active force, the one who kills. Hades represents the grave, the realm of the dead, following behind to collect the souls. And so the fourth horseman unfold in a specific progression. A white horse, conquest, or false peace. Red horse was the war and bloodshed.
Starting point is 01:13:21 Black horse was famine and economic collapse. and the Pell Horse is mass death as the result of all the above. And so the Pell Horse does not act alone. It is in the culmination of the systematic collapse. War creates famine. Famine weakens populations. The disease spreads and then death follows at scale. Now, this detail is pretty chilling.
Starting point is 01:13:42 The Pell Horse has given permission, not total control. So this reinforces the major biblical theme in revelation that God remains sovereign. Judgment is measured. Nothing happens outside of divine allowance. And so historically, theologians have viewed the Pell Horse as a symbol of plagues and pandemics, the aftermath of human violence and sin, God's judgment unfolding in stages, and a warning rather than a complete catastrophe. And so the Pell Horse stands out because it's biological, not just political, invisible disease spreads quietly, indiscriminate affecting rich and poor like and global crossing borders effortlessly. And then so when you think about the fourth seal, what it talks about in the Bible, while I had asked AI, I said, well, how does a fourth seal relate to the fourth turning or the fourth industrial revolution?
Starting point is 01:14:30 Many people are saying that they believe that we are now in the fourth turning or what is known as the fourth industrial revolution. We've talked about it before. And this is something the New World Order always talks about. This is what the World Economic Forum always talks about. So the Bible doesn't actually explicitly connect the fourth seal to the fourth turning, but thematic overlap is strong enough that many people see a very meaningful parallel. So the four still biblically, as we talked about, when it opens, a pale cloris horse appears, the writer is death, followed by Hades, authority is given over one quarter of the earth, and death comes by war famine, Pascili, and wild beast. The fourth
Starting point is 01:15:05 turning comes from the generational theory laid out in the fourth turning by William Strauss and Neil Ho. And they propose that history moves in repeating cycles of about 80 to 100 years, each with four phases. This also is pretty in depth described biblically and also by historians. you just look at how things have went over throughout history, including these ancient geographers and ancient architects, not architects, but archaeologists. So they propose that it moves in cycles. So they have high stability and crisis, awakening, cultural up evil, unraveling institutions weaken, and then the crisis, which is the fourth turning.
Starting point is 01:15:45 So the fourth turning is marked by institutional collapse, large-scale conflict or war, economic breakdown, mass fear, and hardship, societal, restructuring through pain and famine and plagues. Examples often cited the Great Depression in World War II, the American Civil War, the Revolutionary War. I would also put in COVID-19 into that. And so here's where the parallels both represent culmination points, not beginnings. The fourth seal is the result of the first three cells.
Starting point is 01:16:11 And the fourth turning is the result of the decades of decay. So the previous three turnings or industrial revolutions. And so both involve systematic failure, not isolated as a disaster. disasters, institutions fell, trust collapses, and then complete order breaks down. So just so you know, that's where the Pell horse and this whole horse symbolism comes from with Denver National Airport. Well, just from people that live in Colorado and, you know, cherish Colorado. They believe in the Broncos.
Starting point is 01:16:40 And I always thought this big statue was for the Broncos. And then when I looked at it like in detail and I saw like this pale blue horse and the black veins going through its stomach, I was like, oh my gosh. This doesn't look like a Bronco. No, and red eyes. Yeah, in red eyes. But, you know, when you just go drive past it, it looks like a Bronco like Denver Broncos. Yeah, and that's not at all.
Starting point is 01:17:02 That's what I thought it was. Yeah, and that's not at all what the sculptor or the artist had in mind whatsoever. It had nothing to do with Denver Broncos at all. It just completely pretty much goes along with all the other conspiracies that surround this airport. Bled to death before he could be saved. I see why people are creeped out by it. I can see why they think it's aggressive and why they can easily align it with maybe the four horsemen
Starting point is 01:17:28 of the apocalypse. This thing is overtly demonic. On top of that, the sculptor who created it was killed by it. Mustang is our Mustang. And in fact, there's a great story behind him, too. The artist was very into the plight of the Mustang and was very fascinated with these sort of, of blue mustangs.
Starting point is 01:17:52 And so that's why I think his, his coloring was to mimic some of these wild mustings that existed. And the way he's placed outside is looking towards Pike's Peak because the whole thought was, is he going to be the one living wild Mustang left on the plains? And so. Yeah. And so this girl is not doing a good job, yet again, of trying to debunk all of these theories.
Starting point is 01:18:17 And by the way, it's not just her. I don't know if you guys have also realized there's some podcaster dude. I guess he's just a debunker. That's what he does. That's his podcast. So they also brought him on this special to try to debunk anything. And nothing he said so far makes any sense. What the other two guys, the architect and the scientist or physicist, I believe, is the other guy.
Starting point is 01:18:36 But anyways, both these guys make the most sense, just like what we're talking through. And then you have the airport PR girl and this other random podcast dude that he literally has a debunking podcast where he tries to debunk everything. that is his entire job on this show is to try to debunk all of this. He's a pretty fierce sculpture out there and something we're really proud of. I know people are upset about the horse as far as, you know, the artist died. And then people are like, well, when this guy died, why would you then continue on and put the horse at the airport? To me, it's like it would be so sad not to do that. Like, are you kidding me?
Starting point is 01:19:14 You're going to commission this giant horse that this guy almost finishes. and then it kills him and then what, just throw it in a storage shed? It's like he died for this horse. Like let his last amazing work be seen. The reason why the Mustang has red eyes, that was a nod to the artist's father. His dad worked in a neon sign shop. And so he just wanted to pay a little tribute to his dad, not a tribute to Beelzeba. Zero sense made whatsoever.
Starting point is 01:19:43 See, that's what I'm saying. This guy makes no sense whatsoever. made the Mustang's eyes red for a tribute to my dad. I worked in a neon sign shop? What? Okay. Not art. It's darkness because evil can't create on its own accord.
Starting point is 01:20:04 What evil has to do in my mind is convince good people to do bad things. So I think they're creating an environment around this facility that's designed to draw in evil, draw in darkness in which these spirits can propagate, survive, and feed. And I got to be honest, I'm shocked that a lot of other tragic events haven't taken place at this airport yet. I think that there's just a lot of misunderstanding about what Denver's identity is as a city that gets showcased in the airport that people draw a lot of faulty conclusions from. Denver is known for a really edgy art scene. I mean, Tanguma, like this muralist that they hired to make these now controversial murals at the Denver Airport, is known for putting heavy concepts into his artwork.
Starting point is 01:20:57 And the theme of his artwork that he wanted was to be basically healing versus destruction. If you're really going to make the Denver airport like this holdout for the apocalypse, why would you advertise that? Like, in real life, the best bad guys, we will never hear about. While the artwork at DIA can't be missed, neither can the large posters plastered anywhere near something that looks like construction. The signs read slogans like remodeling the lizard people's lair and construction or cover-up. The airport's leaning into the jokes, publicly embracing the conspiracy theories and even poking fun at them with the lizard people. For some theorists, this just adds more fuel to their friends.
Starting point is 01:21:44 fire, saying it's not countermarketing, but actually a brilliant admission of Denver International's secret agenda. We fully own it. It's part of who we are. It's part of our brand. It's part of what we're known for. And it's a way for us to connect with our passengers. We embrace them.
Starting point is 01:22:02 They are part of us. Well, the best way to diffuse a conspiracy theory is to kind of make a joke out of it, but not a joke at the expense of the conspiracy theorist. So it's now a battle for a conspiracy theory. for the attention of the public. The kind of laughing off of the conspiracy theories that Denver Airport does is very typical with what I call the global syndicator, the cabal does.
Starting point is 01:22:25 They do it all the time. Every time you accuse them of trafficking or laundering or doing whatever, they laugh it off. Oh, yes, of course, yeah, we're laundering billions of dollars like that makes any sense. Ha, ha, ha. But in actuality, that's what they're doing. So they laugh it off and make you
Starting point is 01:22:42 seem like the crazy one. It's a very typical narcissistic methodology that the Kamal or the global syndicates been using for centuries. They're definitely trying to cover up all of the stuff that's wrong with this place. They're putting this all together
Starting point is 01:22:58 and saying there's something wrong here. Now because of that, now they're trying to mock their own bizarre, freakish behavior by making a joke out of it, which is exactly what you do. It's another way to hide in plain sight When we hear these stories all the time, I think, no, we are not hiding in plain sight, like some people suggest.
Starting point is 01:23:20 It's a fun story, but there's no truth to it. So there's no truth to it. And it's just like they said, you know, we don't, there's no such thing as a global child sex trafficking ring. I mean, come on, guys. These are conspiracy theorists. Then we find out, oh, there actually is. And then there's government's lying about it. I mean, we've been told this all the time.
Starting point is 01:23:41 and even COVID-19, all the conspiracy theorists are right then also. Right. And I just want to mention two things that I wish they would have talked about. And one is in the baggage claim. When you go get your baggage on the like top shelves are gargoyles. Yeah. And I was looking into that. I was like, why would they have gargoyles there?
Starting point is 01:24:00 Well, that's demonic as well. Yeah, it's very demonic. And then I was looking into like more about the murals. And could it be not a Nazi, but somebody of Spain? because a lot of people say that the New World Order, the leader will come from Spain. I've always heard that. That was one of the Roman Catholic Church. Yes.
Starting point is 01:24:20 And I've always heard that it would come from the Roman Catholic Church. Yeah. So that was another thing. So I wanted to bring up the gargoles in like the baggage claim. Like why would they have those? And then two, when you drive up to DIA, you see these big white, like it looks like mountain caps. And it looks like a parachute. thing on the building.
Starting point is 01:24:43 Yeah. What is the reasoning for that? Is it just architecture or is there a meaning behind it? Yeah, there's probably symbolism there also. And that's the thing about this, guys. And I want you, we want your opinion is like, what do you think about this? Because there's just too many things at this airport that all add up and match up. I mean, and everything we've talked about in this podcast for so many years, the New World Order, the Luminati, the global elites, the pandemics, the government, the how they're all tied to all.
Starting point is 01:25:11 all this stuff. And then it's like at this airport, it's almost like a shrine for the global elite, like devil worshippers. I mean, that's what this airport seems like is a shrine. They want to put it right in your face. They want you to say that these things are conspiracies. They want to make you sound like you're crazy when you talk about them. But we've known that like these people that do all this nefarious evil shit in our world,
Starting point is 01:25:34 they put it right in front of you. They did it during COVID. They've done it with everything. They did it during a JFK assassination. they've done it with literally everything over to past 10 years even and it's not just that it's like they're so egotistical and they know how much of the world they control they don't give a damn to tell you that and just like the guy said on the documentary says you know it's almost like they have to tell you because of something in kind of their in their religion of whatever their
Starting point is 01:26:02 religion is it's like they have to you know it's just kind of similar like if you're a christian you go out and you tell people that you believe in Jesus and that you know follow Jesus and and you're trying to live your life for Jesus right and it's kind of like the same thing with their religion or whatever they believe and I think a lot of in a lot of cases they believe they are the gods they believe and they do it through symbolism yeah I mean it's just like back in nero caesar days you know where he was the god that's what the people of Rome worshipped was nero caesar and all of his line of rulers right and very similarly a lot of those bloodlines from back in the day the ones that just crucified Christians, including Jesus and the people that were just very heinous
Starting point is 01:26:42 to other believers of another God besides them themselves as gods, are those sort of people that they went after. And a lot of those bloodlines still exist to this day. A lot of those bloodlines are those evil people from the Nephlam, from the watchers. I believe that bloodlines still exist. But how does it exist if you don't think that there are true bloodlines left in Israel? No, I'm not saying there's not true bloodlines. There's bloodlines. There's bloodlines of every single faction of people, I think throughout history in some way, shape, or form. I'm not saying that full bloodlines exist from Roman, you know, Neuros Caesar days necessarily, but you also have to think, like, I do think there are, there is genes and all that stuff
Starting point is 01:27:21 that has been passed down through various groups of people. And I think that certain groups of people, it's just like if you're, if you have serial killer or evil people in your family, and sometimes it does follow a genealogy, right? And there's literally groups of people, including the royals, a lot of presidents are somehow blood related or tied into each other in some way, shape, or form. A lot of global rulers are also somehow also on the same bloodline. Roman or not Roman families, you know, like the dynasty family. A lot of times they have sex with themselves so that they can maintain their bloodlines. And that's what they require to do.
Starting point is 01:27:56 Pure bloodlines are very hard to exist. Just like I don't have a pure bloodline of whoever my ancestors were. Right. because you have like 50 people or 50 different. No, you have like thousands of people potentially through your bloodline. What I'm saying is that there's, I'm not a full representation or bloodline of whoever my greatest ancestors are. I mean, that's, that shit's watered down throughout thousands of years or however long it's
Starting point is 01:28:19 been. So make that make sense to me that they have pure bloodlines in other factions. Well, there are groups that have desperately tried to maintain the bloodlines more than others. Obviously, if you think about the Great Flood, where a lot of people believe that, pretty much everyone before that except for the people on the ark were wiped out. But there is definitely a lot of scholars and biblical scholars, even, that believe that there were potentially other people.
Starting point is 01:28:41 It wasn't just Noah and his family that were on the boat. There were others that they also brought in the boat. And there's speculation that, you know, some of these other people could have carried on even some of this evilistic bloodlines from the watchers and the Nephlam. So that's what I'm saying is like, I think that factions or groups of people, especially evil rulers have done everything they possibly can to maintain their bloodlines because they have some type of, I think it all goes personally back to the watchers and to the Nephlem. I think that they, you know, that that half spirit, you know, half supernatural, half human.
Starting point is 01:29:14 Right. Which is what Nephlem were. There was whoever potentially survived after the flood, they wanted to do whatever they possibly could to maintain the last bit of that blood from that evil Nephlam bloodline. possibly could. And this has been like one of the biggest conspiracies. But then if you look at like how some of these elitist families actually live and a lot of the conspiracies around the fact that they have desperately tried to maintain their bloodline, how their even presence that are linked through blood in many cases throughout our history. And all of these people have become leaders. Very similar.
Starting point is 01:29:51 It's like, you know, ancient Rome, very similar to how all of these ruling class of people, even back then, they were all related somehow, some way. And it really. hasn't changed that much from back in Roman days to today. That's why there are connections to presidents. There are connections to people that are rulers and there are people that are in these Bilderberg groups. That's why the king and queens and all that stuff, a lot of people believe that they were, what do you call it? Incest. Incest, yeah, to maintain their bloodline. Bloodline means everything. And if you go into like historical and biblical references about bloodlines, it does mean everything. And I think they knew it. I think that they still know it. And I think they still
Starting point is 01:30:29 try to hold on to that bloodline as much as possible. So it's pretty fascinating, guys. But let us know what you think about this. Do you think Denver International Airport is a, I guess, a base for the Illuminati? I don't necessarily think it's a base for the Illuminati. But I think it is a prime location where they are pushing it right in your face that say, we want to control the world, we want to depopulate the world, and we want to show you what's coming, all the while likely connected to U.S. military bases.
Starting point is 01:30:55 And I don't know. I will say as much as we follow politics. no matter who you thinks in charge, I think there's someone deeper and darker and more sinister in charge than we can even imagine. And so that's where we're going to leave it on this episode.
Starting point is 01:31:10 We got a great episode coming up Monday. We're going to have quite a few episodes, though. We're going to have probably, we actually have one with a psychologist coming up. She's a doctor. We're going to talk about freedom of speech and kind of how everything has changed over this past 10 years.
Starting point is 01:31:24 But until next time, guys, we love you very much. Peace out. Peace out. Then come to the sea, come to the sea, country, country, that's it, the post-up to, too.

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