Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Dr Robert Malone Interview | Big Pharma, Covid, and MAHA

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

In this powerful episode, we sit down with one of the most influential and controversial figures in modern medicine—Dr. Robert Malone. Known as one of the original architects behind mRNA vaccine technology, Dr. Malone brings a unique and critical perspective as we revisit the COVID-19 pandemic with fresh eyes. We explore the current state of global health, examine the long-term consequences of pandemic policies, and unpack the many layers of controversy surrounding the COVID-19 vaccine. Dr. Malone offers his expert insights into what mRNA technology was originally developed for, how it was repurposed during the pandemic, and why he believes it should never have been used in the way it was. This episode isn’t just a look back—it’s a warning for the future. We ask the tough questions: Was the science ignored? Were there ulterior motives behind the vaccine rollout? And what does this all mean for medical freedom, public trust, and the health of future generations? Whether you're a skeptic, a believer, or somewhere in between, this conversation is one you won’t want to miss.

and welcome to Investigator, Earth Podcast. I'm your host Chad, joined by my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we have an amazing episode. Very, very excited for this. And we have the Dr. Robert Malone, which is a physician, biochemist, and virologist, best known as one of the original pioneers of MRNA vaccine technology. In the late 1980s, he conducted foundational research

that helped develop the delivery mechanisms behind mRNA-based therapeutics. And despite this, Dr. Malone has been in controversial, figure, especially after speaking out against how they were using MRNA technology during the COVID-19 pandemic. I'm going to go ahead and add Dr. Malone to the stage. Dr. Malone, thank you for joining us. We are very, very pleased to have you on the show for sure.

Well, thanks a lot for having me. It's a pleasure and an honor. Yeah, for sure. So, Dr. Malone, give me just a little bit of your background. I know I mentioned a little bit of it. Then how did you, obviously, you're a doctor, but what was your main area of study as a Dr. So I'm a physician scientist. So this is a training program that they implemented and still carry on. I was funded by National Academy of Sciences as such. And the reason for training physician scientists is we've seen a great example over the last four years. regular physicians tend to be trained to accept authority and kind of do what they're told to accept

whatever they're trained. And the physician scientist is trained to question and to investigate. And we're basically trained to become the disruptors of medical consensus. That hasn't worked out so well. And in my case, consequent to a nervous breakdown after these strange inventions and discoveries that are the basis for the MRNA vaccine technology, I got caught in a crossfire between lawyers at the Salt Institute and UC San Diego and a number of different more senior people that all wanted, you can say, a piece of the pie. And a lot of people thought they were going to get rich back then. And some did. I wasn't one of them.

I got my total compensation for the patents was one Susan B. Anthony dollar, just to be clear on that. But because I had signed a, when I left the Salk, I had signed a employment agreement with the company that I joined that kind of set me up as a skunk works to carry my work forward called VICAL. And in that employment agreement for the total sum of, I think about $18,000 in salary, I would sign over all patent rights for anything that I had been. Wow. So that's kind of how that came to play. And so I was trained in molecular virology in particular, starting with retroviruses, going back to my undergraduate years. I was in the laboratory that was one of the first globally to be focused on what was first called LAV and then HDLV3 and then we call it HIV. And I was working on a

project within the lab involving a mouse model of breast cancer. cancer that was caused by a virus, a retrovirus called mouse mammary tumor virus. And that led to my passion about retroviruses and retrovirology and their application for gene therapy. Back in the day, that was the leading gene therapy platform technology, was the use of recombin retroviruses. And what I was doing in Intervermance lab at the Salk Institute was actually trying to ask questions about how RNA gets packaged into retroviruses

to be able to make recombinant retroviruses more efficiently because that was one of the main problems with the platform. And in order to do that, I had to literally invent a series of things like how to make large quantities of pure RNA and what were the structural elements necessary to get that RNA turned into protein. And then how to detect the presence of the present of that protein. That was the use of luciferase reported gene. The studies were the first

to really apply luciferase technology for work in widespread in animals and in cell culture. I had picked up the luciferase technology in a rotation with the person that had first pioneered luciferase as a reporter gene, Dr. Seresh Zubimani, luciferase being the protein that causes the firefly tail to glow. And then how to deliver that RNA. That's the use, you know, I tried various different technologies that were available for DNA delivery. None worked. And a investigator at the Salk, Dr. Tony Hunter, told me that I should look into this new tech that had just emerged.

He had basically reviewed the paper as a preprint that had emerged from a company called Syntex in Palo Alto. which was the use of positively charged fats to deliver DNA. And the people at detects hadn't been able to get RNA to work because they hadn't done all the work that I'd done to learn how to make it and what it needed in terms of structure, genetic elements. And so I set up a collaboration with them, and as soon as I got their reagent in,

everything worked. The RNA could be delivered into. I went around the Salk Institute and collected every single cell line. fine, which is a pretty big number. And it worked in every single cell line. I tested, and I was teaching an embryology course, TAing it. And so I had access to excess frog embryos and chick embryos. And those weren't covered under the regulations for animal research. And so I tested this method and these reagents on frog embryos and chick embryos, and suddenly I

was doing non-viral RNA-based gene therapy in animals. That was so far off the reservation as to just seem absolutely bizarre. Most people considered it to be totally impractical. Filed a patent disclosure about using RNA as a drug back in, I think it was 88, at least a decade before Carrico and Weissman. and then filed the patent disclosures leading to these patents behind me. I call this the Alex Berenson Wall because he questioned on Fox News notoriously that I had actually done what I had done.

But those disclosures were made in 1990, mostly, and it was reduced to practice. In other words, we showed that it would work in mice at Bicel in 1990 and 1991. and also had the strange surendipitous discovery that you could administer RNA as a naked polynucleotide and DNA. So you didn't have to use the catonic lipids, and you could still get protein expression. That portfolio of technology got licensed to Merck, who abandoned the RNA part. They thought it was totally unfeasible and focused on DNA vaccines between Vickal and Merck.

they dropped well north of really $2 billion into trying to develop products and completely failed. The patents expired. I was sworn by this point I was an academic at UC Davis, assistant professor, and I got a nasty cease and assist letter from the then CEO of VICAL, B.J. Samant, telling me that I shouldn't do any work on anything that related to the stuff that I had done at VICAL because that was all proprietary. and they would sue me if I did. So I was kind of locked out of my own field in many ways. Wow.

And the patents expired and DARPA decided to try to push the tech. They dropped funding into Moderna in Biointech. And as they say, the rest is history. Wow. And with that being said, you know, you're one of obviously the pioneers behind M RNA and that technology, what did you feel like during COVID? Because I think that was a big thing you came out against, right? How did it feel to kind of watch that same technology be used in ways that you didn't intend?

Because it seemed like that was your stance when you came out during the COVID-19 pandemic. You said the technology that I worked on and much of, I think, what you just explained, you know, was not intended to be used in the way it was used, especially with a spike protein like Let's pick that apart a little bit. To be perfectly honest, I had believed, and I was a different person then that I had. Now, I'm heading on 66 and a lot of water into the bridge, and a lot more experience in clinical development, regulatory affairs, all these things. Back then, I had worked in an influenza laboratory under Bob Lamb at Northwestern.

I had worked basically in a vaccine lab at UC Davis with the AIDS story. And I knew the fundamentals of vaccinology and of infectious disease, but I didn't understand regulatory affairs, clinical development, toxicology, all this stuff. The intention back then had been that you could use this molecule that only sticks around for a couple of hours. It gets degraded very rapidly. To do transit gene therapy. So you could use RNA like a drug. And if a patient had an adverse event, if it made them sick, then like with any other drug, the physician would stop administering the drug.

and the RNA would degrade rapidly, and hopefully whatever the adverse event was, it would go away. The tech that was deployed involving jamming pseudo-uridine, which is unnatural to be present all the way through the backbone of the RNA, to make it less immunogenic and longer lived, makes for a molecule that isn't really RNA, truth be told. They call it RNA, but it's a synthetic molecule. It behaves very differently from natural RNA. It persists in the body for up to weeks, whereas regular RNA typically is degraded within hours. And that was the basis for my inventions and invention disclosures was that it was a good thing, that, you know, it was kind of make lemonade out of lemons. Two key things, number one.

that RNA doesn't stick around very long. That's a problem for classic gene therapy, but it's an advantage if you think about using RNA as a drug, as I explained. And the other was that the real problem with gene therapy that ended up killing the field was something that I had actually had the insight to figure out when interpreting some of the troublesome experiments

happening at the Sulk from Dan St. Louis, that you would transfer a foreign gene into a mouse, and it would produce the foreign protein for about three weeks, and everybody was perplexed as to why that, what was going on. And I figured out that the reason was because you were mounting an immune response against the foreign protein. So hence the idea of using it for vaccination, you could administer this drug.

It would produce a protein that would be very similar to, as if the patient was infected by a virus, but no virus. And it would produce the protein for a short period of time. The body would mount an immune response against it. And it would be kind of very similar to a live attenuated virus, which are the vaccines that are most effective, but also most problematic. Like flu, for example, right? I mean, don't they use that?

The only flu vaccine that's live attenuated is flu mist. Okay. A better metaphor would be smallpox or the live polio vaccine, or I like to talk about yellow fever. Yellow fever vaccine is a nasty piece of work. If you take two doses instead of one, it can kill you. It's just the kissing cousin to the actual yellow fever virus. It has some mutations, and they weren't engineered into that. They were created by serial passage.

Serial Passage is one of the texts that was used to adapt the novel coronavirus to human infectivity using transgenic mice, by the way. And it looks like a lot of that work was done in North Carolina. But serial passage, you could think of as kind of akin to the way they used to breed animals. It's not GMO in the same way. it's kind of it's not really genetic engineering. It's old school directed evolution is what it is. Yeah. So the problem with that is you get like with polio,

most of the polio in the world these days is due to reversions of the live attenuated polio vaccine. So the people that are getting polio these days are getting it from the vaccine in most cases. So that's the problem with live attenuated. and it's also that live attenuated, as I was mentioning with yellow fever, it's all about the dose and too much dose and you end up with yellow fever, basically, it can kill you. So that was the logic. Now, in terms of what happened here, Carico and Weissman came in a decade later,

and by the way, their original patent from UPenn says nothing about vaccines. And they took what I had done in the field of, RNA, they call it the RNA world, is the phrase that's used in the inside. At advanced and made discoveries that natural RNA molecules have on occasion, this odd modified base, bases are what are the building blocks of RNA, that is called pseudo-uridine. And pseudo-uridine has, the purpose of pseudo-uridine is still being understood. It has a lot of different functions.

But this was very early in the R&D world of pseudo-uridine. And one of the things that had been found was that pseudo-uridine would reduce the immunogenicity of RNA, particularly foreign RNA. And it was believed that that was one of the big problems with RNA vaccine technology. Turns out that that's overstated. But Carrico and Weissman believed that if we put pseudo-uridine all the way through the RNA, you know, it's kind of, you know, give a child a hammer, everything becomes a nail. It's kind of that approach. And so they put it all the way through the backbone.

And they created a new molecule that was less inflammatory, but also had a very long half-life. And it seemed to work better for RNA vaccines, among other things, for using RNA as a drug. But as I said, it's not really RNA. It's something different. It behaves very different. And it lasts for weeks. And they use this in both the Moderna and the biointech products. Both of those companies took licenses from UPenn.

So UPenn has made a ton of money on this, by the way, as have Kareka. And not, you know, in addition to the Nobel Prize. And, a different company called Kyrvac did not license that patent and proceeded with RNA that was not pseudo-uridine modified. And it turns out that actually worked pretty good. But they tested it at a lower dose than what Moderna and Biointech used. And so they got less antibodies. And the press in the world kind of focused on in this rush to do something. They focused on the two companies that had the higher titers, even though they had a much higher dose and higher adverse events.

And, you know, Kyrvac, which was funded by Elon Musk, basically died, collapsed. Didn't win in the race. And they went with this. And then the use of spike is a different story. And the spike that's in here is not a natural spike. It has two proline mutations that are designed to lock the spike protein into an open confirmation. It kind of does this when it binds. And so the two proline mutations lock it into an open confirmation.

And the logic was that the open confirmation would be more likely to elicit antibodies against the pocket region that would block its ability to bind to its receptor. And so that is what was used. And that was an approach that had been pioneered in prior coronavirus vaccine efforts for MERS and SARS-1. So the people at the vaccine research center under Tony Fauci didn't really do anything different, except they took what was done in prior coronavirus, Sarbiko virus vaccine development. and they applied it to this new vaccine and didn't bother to think about what the potential toxicity risks associated with producing high levels of this spike protein. Now, another key part of this that's overlooked is the formulation, the adionic positively charged fat complex that binds, it's not a liposome, it kind of self-assembles around the RNA.

And the people that did that were really the ones that created the enabling technology. The pseudo-uridine is not what made these things work. What made it work as a company, I think it was called Arturis, a spinout of the University of British Columbia. And those are the guys that actually should have got the Nobel Prize for this vaccine, which is what it was awarded for, not for the technology platform. and they've kind of been passed over in history and in the press, but they're the ones that really made all this possible

because their formulation is the most potent non-viral delivery platform ever devised in the history of ban. And it's their tech that also crosses the blood-brain barrier. that was purported to stay at the site of injection in the deltoid and the draining lymph nodes. That was a lie. Yeah, doesn't it go all over your body, the spike protein? And that was known before this was authorized for humans. That was the importance of the technical word is the common technical document

that Byron Bridal obtained from the Japanese regulatory authorities that I discussed together with Brett Weyne. Weinstein and Steve Kirsch on the Dark Horse podcast that up until Rogan was considered a big deal, it was a few million views. Yeah. And yes, Pfizer knew that this stuff goes all over the body. They used the luciferase protein that I had pioneered, and they used the least sensitive method for detecting it. they used whole body imaging in rodents. So the luciferase protein is what makes the firefly tail glow.

It has nothing to do with the devil. Sorry, you guys. And the reaction is that this protein, together with ATP, which is the fuel, the energy source, and a molecule called luciferin. So if you think of this as the enzyme is Pac-Man and it's gobbling up luciferin and ATP, to produce photons of light that green shifted. And this, it turns out because of space exploration and everything else, we have really cool, sensitive cameras for detecting single photons called VIM cameras.

And so you can take a VIM camera in a dark box and you can inject an animal with your favorite gene delivery preparation, expressing luciferase protein. and then anesthetize the animal and stick it with a, you can shoot it intraperitoneally a bunch of the substrate that the firefly uses to make light, and the mammal, you know, rat or mouse or whatever, will glow like a firefly tail. And those little photons that are being emitted

can be picked up by one of these highly sensitive cameras and counted. And you get an image showing exactly where the protein is. But it's super insensitive because those little photons are bouncing all over the way and they run into skin and muscle and tendons and I don't only knows what else. And they get deflected or they get absorbed. And so the way to really do this proper is another thing that I pioneered and did was you take, we published this in the science paper that came out in 1990, you should take tissue samples from the animal that you've administered the stuff

to, and you grind them up, so you release all the luciferase out of the cells. And then you put it a little tiny sample, just a microleotube into a tube with the substrates and the ATP in the right buffer. and you put it into something like a radioactivity counter, but it's detecting light all around the tube, hypersensitive. It's called aluminum. And you inject ATP into it,

and it catalyzes the, I'm sorry, you inject luciferate into it, and it catalyzes the reaction, and then you can count the photons, and you know precisely how much protein is in that little sample, and you knew how precisely the amount of tissue that you derive that from, And from that, you can get an exact number for how much protein is being made in whatever tissue, which is what Pfizer should have done.

It's what the FDA should have insisted Pfizer did. And if they had done that, they would have known that these things are making a boatload of protein, relatively speaking, in the animals. But the FDA let Pfizer get away with, you know, a grab bag of experiments that they had done for other purposes. that technically what you're supposed to do is to actually assay the protein of interest that is part of your therapeutic or your intervention or your vaccine. And so if they had done that, they would have known that the protein sticks around for a long time because they would have done a kinetic curve.

We're talking about a spike, but they didn't do that either. I mean, there's a whole bunch of things that are standard pharmacology that Peter Marks basically gave him a pass on. You know, I said, well, it's an emergency. And so we'll just go forward with this crappy, amalgamated garbage that you've thrown together and call it a day and go ahead and jab everybody. And to what you're saying to, and I'm sharing, I know you have a question. You're good.

Like how dangerous do you think? Because, I mean, most people that either, you know, obviously most people live through the pandemic. And, you know, I had a friend that was. A year older than I am, so I'm 40. He was 41. He died. But it was interesting because he had COVID seven months earlier, healthy guy. Seven months later, eight months later, whatever it was.

They, I think he'd went in with like a 90 auction level, you know, the Polt Sox, whatever. And they put him on a ventilator. And a week and a half later, he was dead. But a lot of people were like, you know. They probably also put him on Remdissevere. Yeah. Possibly. Probably.

And by the way. My mom, my mom just got COVID, what, a month ago? Yes. And they put her on Ramdesivator. She was in the hospital and they put her on that in the IV. And Chad's like, get that stuff out of you now. Yeah, I literally said, said, mom, go call your nurse, tell whoever it is, get you off that medicine now. You know, she was in the hospital.

They're still using it today. But here's my question, I guess. If, how dangerous do you think because of maybe the lack of testing, or kind of how they, you know, essentially just streamlined this vaccine, and especially with the technology you're talking about, how dangerous do you think the vaccine is? And have we seen the complete side effect of the vaccine yet? Okay, starting at the back end of that, I hope so.

There's a lot of denial about the turbo cancers. I personally think that that is real. Yes. When you say how safe it is, remember that all drugs are toxic. Water is toxic at the right dose. You can die from overhydration. All drugs have side effects. Notariously, chemotherapeutic drugs for cancer are extremely toxic.

And can lead to, among other things, additional cancer. They're mutagenic medium. So when you talk about how safe or how risky it is, it always has to be in context. To illustrate in the case of a vaccine, if Ebola, remember if I don't know where you guys are based, do you remember the little case of Ebola in Texas? Yep. that got everybody so worked up. Albollah actually got contained in the West African outbreak.

I was very involved in that, not by the vaccine, but because public health officials figured out that Africans did this burial practice of lying in state and having a wake in which people would come and touch the victim and kiss the victim and say their demise. and Ebola virus persists on skin for a long period of time as an infectious agent. And so basically, as they were mourning the dead, they were killing themselves inadvertently. Once that was figured out, and there was education in West Africa that this was the case,

and you needed to just get the body and burn it and get rid of it right away. Then they quench the outbreak. That's really what control is. But the Ebola vaccine that I worked on and brought Merck into license is a nasty piece of work. It is really inflammatory. When you take that thing, you feel like you've been hit by a truck. And yet, if you're a physician, the medicine, you're working for Medicine's on Frontier or for Samaritan's purse, and you're going to go into the hot zones in Africa to try to do what you can

for the suffering and mitigate their pain and suffering. You would rather have that than risk Ebola, even though it's not 100% effective, because Ebola is a nasty way to die, right? So in that case, rather toxic vaccines is preferred. If we had an outbreak of Ebola here on the East Coast, I guarantee people would be lining up around the block to take that thing. Likewise, the smallpox vaccine, the smallpox was circulating. Smallpox vaccine was known to kill people by myocarditis, among those things, particularly young males.

but compared to smallpox, it was a risk we're taking. Now, dial it back and let's talk about COVID. We were sold on the prospect that COVID had a 3.4% case fatality rate. In other words, between 3 and 4 out of every 100 people that were infected would die. On the basis of that, it was considered justified to administer this experimental vaccine that had issues. We didn't really know what those issues were. There was a lot of denial about those issues. There was obfuscation and propaganda, et cetera, et cetera.

That's a old other story. But if we had something that was actually killing between three and four out of every hundred people infected, you know, as opposed to the fake numbers that we were given because anybody that had anything that caused them to die and they could stick it, swab up the nose and get a PCR response was checked off as a COVID-related. death, right? The numbers were inflated. But the new director of NIH showed that that was a fraud. His name is J. Bata Charya. And early on, he did studies that demonstrated that the true case fatality rate of COVID of SARS-CoV-2 was pretty similar to a severe influenza. So we were told that this virus was going to kill us all and kill grandma and you remember all that propaganda. But that was a false narrative. But in the face of that, it was considered to be acceptable to deploy this rather sketchy vaccine.

But it was all based on a lie. So what is the true, you know, what is the true risk associated with COVID? It's essentially zero for a healthy child. And it's a little tiny bit more like flu up to, when you get above 65, or if you have diabetes or metabolic syndrome like I used to have because I was 50 pounds heavier, then your risk was significantly higher. Unfortunately, it turns out that if you stratify the risk of the vaccines in the same way as you stratify, you should stratify the risk of the virus itself, the same people that are at higher risk for the virus turned out to be at higher risk for the adverse events of the vaccines. What are those adverse events? Well, early on it was discovered one of them was reactivation

of latent DNA viruses. So this is shingles and Nnebstein-Barr virus and things like that. Nebstein-Barr virus is immunosuppressive and we don't know that we got in that rabbit hole. And then there was the myocarditis, which was denied. But I was very closely working with people in the office of the commissioner and the chief scientist of the CDC, I'm sorry, of the FDA, who, because they were doing experimental work with a novel way to analyze safety data, detected both the viral reactivation and the myocarditis signal very early. The FDA and the CDC he denied it. They shared their information with the Israelis because Israel's, Israel had the best database, safety database on the vaccines at that point. Israelis confirmed that, in fact,

myocarditis was a problem. Then they shared that with the CDC. Then the CDC acknowledged that there was a problem. And then they had a general issue with the whole narrative of safe and effective. And so they tried to cover it up by saying, well, the myocarditis is short, transitory, you'll heal from it. Well, they didn't actually have the data to be able to say any of that. It was just more propaganda. And now it looks like the myocarditis is tracking akin to viral myocarditis, which is very similar, rare, much more rare than with vaccines. But viral myoclinical viral myocarditis. So you can have myocarditis being that if you happen to draw blood after the vaccine was administered,

you might pick up some cardiac enzymes indicating heart damage. Clinical myocarditis is, oh, oh, God, it feels like I'm having a heart attack or having these other symptoms, and it causes me to go to the hospital or go see my doctor. That's clinical myocarditis. If you are your son, for example, your 18-year-old soccer player, Yeah. As clinical malacharditis, it's looking like their five-year mortality is more like it is with viral myocarditis, which is to say, depending on the source, somewhere between 15 and 50% case fatality rate.

Wow. Then there's all of the cascade of other things, the coagulopathy. So this causes small vessel blood clots, and there's a lot of pathways and discussion about how that happens. And large clots, those large clots can dislodge and go into your lungs or your heart or into your brain, or you can form those clots in your brain. So this is the venous sinus coagulopathy problem. And so you can have strokes and infarcs. and blood clotting is one of those things that mimics a lot of other diseases.

So if you're having blood clots form in the macrovasculature of, say, your kidneys, then you come down with kidney disease, renal disease. If you form those blood clots in your heart, then you have myocarditis and pericarditis. If you form those blood clots in your brain, you have a stroke. or an infarct. And, you know, it goes on and on. If it appears that there's damage being done to the endocrine system, so that's your hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis,

which also controls your reproductive function and may have something to do with some of the, let's say, women's health issues that have been described. There's the spontaneous abortions. There is the rekindling of menstruation in postmenopausal women. There is the cessation of menstruation in reproductive age women. That's probably an adrenal, hypothalamic, pituitary endocrine problem. There is the passage of decidual casts.

That's a fancy word for blood clots. shape of your vagina, interior of your vagina in young girls that are not yet menstruating. I mean, it goes on and on and on. And these are rare acknowledged. Well, rare is in the eye of the beholder. If it's your child that has it, it doesn't matter if you're telling me that it only happens in one and 100,000 people. It's your child.

And if the myocarditis that is disabling only happens in one in 50,000, well, we could all say that's a rare event. Or we could say, holy, 150,000 people, and you're mandating this for everybody? And what of the side effects is death? Are you crazy? when in fact the rate, so Steve Kirsch, I think, gets the gold star, frankly, for having really been out on the edge in analyzing the data from all over the world about the adverse event rate. And he was the one, I used to say, well, I was with Jay Botacharya, Jay still has this opinion, that the vaccines were acceptable for the high risk groups, the elderly and diabetes and stuff. It was Steve and his group that revealed that, in fact, the risks of the vaccine go up in those groups, the same as the risks of the virus. And so it's a wash. And basically, you shouldn't

administer these products to anybody when you look at risk benefit rigorously all the way through the various indications. So shout out to Steve. And I was with Jay saying that you should only administer these to the people that are at truly at high risk because of the risk benefit ratio. But then when he showed me those data, I had to revise my position and I started about two and a half, three years ago, I did a press conference with others in which I called for the withdrawal of the products from the market because the risk benefit ratio. Yeah. I mean, we've had, that's a quick that's a gross over simplification of the risks, but it's a

Oh, yeah, for sure. But I'm just wondering, too, is it associated with because this virus is not a natural virus? This was a man-made virus. And because of that, could that be in response? Could the vaccine be in response because of the way the virus was created in the first place? It's gaining a function. Yeah, and I think that's kind of what you said earlier, Malone, is part of this is this not natural to begin with. So you're essentially taking the MRI.

It's not natural to begin with. but then specifically on top of the engineering that occurred to give rise to the virus, because this is based on the virus. In addition to that, they introduced two proline mutations in the vaccine version of the spike, which makes it very different from the spike that's produced from the infection. As if that isn't enough, the levels of spike protein associated with the natural infection are significantly lower than the levels of spike protein associated with the JAPs, particularly the adenobirus versions, so that's J&J, but also the MRNA versions.

And also, when you get the natural infection, it is a nasal, pharyngeal, upper respiratory infection, and the spike protein is mostly confined to those compartments. When you take the vaccine product, it's all over your body. So virtually all organs in your body are producing some level of this, which means that all organs in your body are being targeted by your cellular immune system and by antibodies. And that results in cell death and other problems. And you have this unnatural engineered spike protein circulating in the blood at much higher levels after administering the jab than you do after the natural infection. So this whole logic, well, you're going to get spike in you. How are you bitching about?

Well, you're comparing apples to oranges. That's more propaganda. Now, that makes complete sense. And one of the things we've had so many people that have written into us, I mean, I can't even tell you how many mothers and fathers that have said they've lost their daughters or their sons to this vaccine. And very convincingly, spontaneous abortions. Yeah, spontaneous abortions.

the, you know, I will never forget we, we had this mother and father right into us and they said, you know, we begged our daughter not to get the vaccine because we did not believe in it. We thought it was too risky. And, you know, she was kind of out there and she was watching all of the propaganda that, you know, you see on TikTok and social media. And so without their consent, she went and actually got the vaccine. Yeah. At 16. Thanks to USAID. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. I mean, USAID. And we actually had an episode on that not long ago. We actually had Justin Goodman, which I'm going to briefly talk about that in just a moment. But I know that you're a doctor. And obviously, people that listen to you all the time know you're kind of a genius. You're much smarter than we are.

Kind of. He is a genius. No, you are genius. But you're much smarter than we are. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, back off on that, okay? I'm also a farmer. I was a carpenter and I'm not a bad ferrier. Okay.

Oh, of course. Okay. So I want to ask you a bit of a car guy. So don't go too far down that down that road that I'm just an egghead, okay? What is your diet, Dr. Malone, just briefly. I want to ask you, what is your diet? Because you said you lost some weight. Yeah, you lost some weight.

So we had been, my wife and I have been long-standing vegetarians. And if you take vegetarianism and you map it into the kind of lifestyle that we have with all our travel and everything, what it ends up with is you eat a heck of a lot of processed soy. Yeah. And pasta. I love pasta. I do. Yeah.

Maybe there are some people. But I feel sorry for them. But I put out a lot of weight, and I absolutely had metabolic syndrome. And I went to a new physician that I trusted. He's one of us, one of the rebels. And his name is Brooke Miller. I have to drive half an hour to go to him. He's also, by the way, this is an important part of the story.

He's a eighth-generation Virginia farmer and sixth-generation Angus producer, Black Angus. So he's the rancher doctor. If you want to look up the rancher doctor newsletter, you'll find Brookville. So he's my doc. And Brooke brought me in, read my lab tests, and said, Robert, you know, I'm going to sit you down. You're going to have to change your diet because what you're doing is killing yourself. Your metabolic markers are off the charts. You got hypercholesterolemia.

You've got a whole bunch of problems. and your triglycerizer out of whack. And you were vegetarian at the time, right? And I think you need to start eating a lot of beef. That's why I mentioned that he's the black Angus. Right, Angus, yeah. And he actually gave us a quarter cow from his grass-fed local produced beef. And we radically changed our diet.

Just, you know, I said to him, Brooke, I'm going to just trust you. and you tell me what I need to do, and I'm going to follow your directions, which is kind of not how I normally wired. My wife was more so. But we changed our diet. We became carnivores. For a period of time, we were almost exclusively beaten. And I started saying, I feel like I'm going to moo if I eat another hamburger.

Or steak. What a horrid thing to have to be eating a Virginia grass-fed beef steak. stakes all the time. Sarcasm. So that really changed things. We also started doing intermittent fasting. So I typically, we used to eat three meals a day. And we typically don't eat until about one or two.

And then I'll have dinner late today because of this podcast, so I'll eat at seven, I guess. but usually we eat about five and then fast the rest. So the combination of those things controlling the carbs, really cutting out sugar. I don't think we have any sugar in the house. We have some honey. Jill bakes her own bread and we don't eat a lot of bread, but she uses high-quality organic flour. She actually grinds her own.

particularly from Italy. Italy has very strict food safety laws. Yeah. So we get Italian flour, and she's learned to produce a darn good loaf of bread and kind of European style. So that's the essence of it. And then we take a lot of supplements.

Yeah. We take, frankly, we're on daily Ivermectin at Brooks recommendation. He's been taking highly ivermectin for well over a year and has no, you know, no upper respiratory infections at all during that period. Well, they want to make you ever neck and we take methylmline blue. Yeah.

Wrote a substack about that after we saw Bobby taking it. Mm-hmm. I try to deep dive into methyl in blue and its mechanisms. It basically flips the switch on to your mitochondria. Yeah. Short version. But you want to take it the right dose. And these are a lot of the same things that people with these turbo cancer should be doing,

these kind of diets and these kind of alternative medicines. Yeah, I concur. And so a number of the supplements that, Paul Merrick has recommended we take. So many things, vitamin C, of course, vitamin D, my vitamin D levels are checked. And I got a handful of pills I take in the morning and a handful of pills I take at night.

You know, I am of a certain age. But I can tell you that both my wife and I, particularly my wife, Dr. Joel Glasswell wants, get feedback all the time from people. when we're traveling, that we seem to be reverse aging. That's nice. That's a good compliment, by the way. I want to tell you, I want to talk about this,

a little bit of the conspiracy aspect of the COVID thing. So one of my best friends, Nathan Jones, Allens Clear, X-L-E-A-R, the nasal spray company, they showed a lot of their data. They had a lot of studies about their nasal spray, which was you had... Grape seed oil extract. Yeah, grape seed oil extract and then xylitol.

It was a xylitol based nasal spray. And so as COVID was coming out, we had, I actually used it. Sherry got, okay, so Sherry was vaccinated. Well, okay, first of all, I was a first grade teacher during all this. And I was scared to death to die. And I was back and forth with vaccine. I was like, I did. The only union was responsible for spreading that fear point.

Yeah. And I was just scared to death. I didn't want to die. So I was like, I'm going to have to get this stupid. vaccine because I don't want to die. And guess what happened? Guess what happened after she got the vaccine? She had COVID at least five times, probably in that next year and a half.

Yeah, five times. Oh, I did not get the vaccine. Yeah, so that, that there's strong data supporting that. As you know, first the Cleveland Clinic study and then many have, I'm verified that, particularly those that have taken three inoculations. are at higher risk for disease and clinical infection. And that the reason why they keep insisting that you take another dose, another dose, another dose every three, six months is because when you chart effectiveness of the product

over time, at first you get a blip where you seem to be protected, but it's fairly short term. And then within beginning about two months, if you track your protection against the virus, it actually goes negative. So that's called negative effectiveness. And that's a fancy way of saying it makes it more likely that you get disease.

No, that makes complete sense because I was taking this nasal spray for a while and I never got it. And I used to always be saying. I wanted to talk about conspiracy theory. So the nasal sprays were shut down. The vitamin D was shut down. The Iroactin was shut down.

The hydroxychloroquine is shut down. All of this early treatment. In my case, what I pioneered with my team was the combination of famadidine. You remember people were talking about taking the anesthesia drug drug. Yeah. I do remember that. I tested myself with my own COVID in February 2020 and wrote the seminal paper on this in the mass cell hypothesis. You can look it up in frontiers in pharmacology. And peer-reviewed

a A-A-list team, you know, basically Nobel Prize also rams from some of the top universities in the world on that paper. So the combination was Phamodidine-Cylicoxid and Ivermectin. And that thing worked like grease lightning. But that was suppressed. the DOD that was sponsoring the clinical trials couldn't get it through authorization by the FDA to even perform the trials. We had to drop the ivermectin component. So that was just one of many early treatments. I was a big advocate of Pierre Corrie's and his team, Palmerich, worked in Ivermectin. It's funny that one of the storylines about me was that I was anti-Ivermectin.

in fact, the opposite was true. And I was the editor who tried to get Pierre's paper published. That's a whole other story. The entire globe, Western world, where physicians were pioneering a variety of early treatments, was shut down and suppressed. They were attacked. They lost their licenses. you know, the sins of the opposition during this are stunning.

And I was going to ask you whether or not they'll ever be held accountable. I'm sorry, didn't interrupt. And I was going to say, do you think this was coordinated based on the government and the pharmaceutical companies that coordinated these attacks on physicians? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And we now know, so for instance, so this is, you know, the book.

The egregious self-promotion. If you read our book on Cy War, we document a lot of this and how it was done, who did it, what the technology was. For instance, just one little example. The CDC, it's, you're not allowed. here's a fun one for you. You're not allowed to donate either labor or treasure money to the federal government. They'll take it from you, but you can't donate it to. So Congress authorized two, actually this three, special programs that allow donations to CDC, the Foundation for CDC, the NIH, and the FDA. So they all have backdoors that they can. can take money from Bill and Melinda Gates and Pfizer and Merck and Moderna and Hoover. And so the CDC's foundation, and this becomes a slush fund, by the way, they can use it however

they want. And the foundation for CDC took in money from all the big pharma plus Gates. And among other things, they funded an entity called the Public Good Projects, you know, who's against the public good? they always have these names. This is, you know, like a classic sorrow strategy. You always put their face on it. So the public good projects funded an entity called Shots Heard Around the World, which is still operating.

Shots heard around the world set up a network, social media network, of physicians and scientists who were, let's say, supportive of the narrative, is the kind of way I could say it. And they were given special privileges on places, places like X and Facebook. They could do things that would normally cause the likes of United get deplatformed. They could say things about people, et cetera. They were given special rights and privileges. And the shots heard around the world organization with this mailing list

would send out emails saying, you know, Dr. Malone or Dr. McCullough or Dr. Curry or Bill in the blank person has said something on social media that we don't like. And we know, we know, need you all to attack them. And we need you all to do things like write letters to their medical boards suggesting that they should lose their license. And so this is called gangstocking. It is a federal crime. And it was funded and organized by the Foundation for CDC funding public good projects, which funded shots heard around the world, which did this. That's just one example. You'll see in the book that some specific things were revealed about me by both the Committee on Weaponization of the government and the House Select Committee on the coronavirus pandemic. And it documents the Jura ticket alerts that were developed by CISA.

This is in Homeland Security. This specifically named me. and my specific sins that caused juror tickets to be written for me advising that I should be censored and, you know, harassed. Yeah, we saw all of that, by the way, Malo. We saw all. My specific sins were that I was an anti-vaxxer. I'm the vaccine developer, vaccine innovator, anti-vaxxer. contradictions don't matter.

That's like a black white supremacist, by the way. Just say, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And a good metaphor. And we won't talk about. Let's not talk about Israel. And, and I was also sin of sins, a conservative.

Yeah, that's the worst. That's the worst. That's the worst. I was flagged for. Yeah. Yeah, that's the worst thing, because, like, if you're, if you're a conservative, you could, you know, oh, my God, you could be, I mean, if Albert Einstein was a conservative today, like we would not probably hear about, oh, Einstein anymore. The one under the Biden administration is just a shop of horrors. It just every day we learn more ugly, ugly stuff that was done against citizens in foreign nationals by the Biden administration.

they're unrepent. Well, I got a couple of questions because I know you said, I know you said we have you for hour and a half, but you've been doing some interviews today. So we don't want to keep it too long, but I got a couple of things. So Nathan Jones Company cleared, they get sued by the FTC because their nasal spray,

they had all these studies that showed that it actually did stop. They spent millions of dollars. Yeah, millions of dollars. It showed that it stopped the replication, the replication in the nose of SARS-Cobie 2. They also showed that for flu, which is what you had kind of hinted on earlier about the nasal and also throat and whatever. So they saw this.

And the thing about it was is like when Sherry had COVID five times, I took the nail spray every time, never got it. But then they got sued. Now they just got the lawsuit dropped by the DOJ. You know, go figure. Go figure. Yeah, after it no longer matters. Yeah, after it's millions of dollars into this with FTC. And the FTC attorneys, the FTC attorney said, we know, we don't have.

have to win. We just got to prolong it as long as we need to to make you drain as much money as possible because it's not like you're getting attorney fees from the FTC or the government. You're not going to get that. What do you think is the likelihood of the conspiracy, because a lot of our listeners are going to, would love to know your thought on this. COVID-19, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, we've talked about Dr. Ralph Barrett and the fact that they had this virus inside of the United States well before likely. And by the way, don't forget UC Davis. UC Davis, DASIC, you name it.

I mean, all these people, they had this virus. They were trying to figure out how to make it more infectious to people. I got two questions here. Do you think that the release of the virus, number one, was intentional? And number two, look at all these viruses that they are still working on actively, which is far more dangerous than what COVID-19 ever was. I mean, you're talking about Mir, or not mirrors, the NEPA virus, you're talking about some of this other stuff that's in labs.

And just heard recently from our friend Justin Goodman, which is over the White Coat Waste Project, I don't know if you ever heard of them, but they've been heavily investigating the animal studies, especially Falsh and the Beagles and all that stuff. But they're saying they're building a bat coronavirus lab, I believe in Colorado, Colorado State University. Yeah.

For the study of this. Like my question is, is like, why are, are we still experimenting so heavily? And I know you come from this realm. Yeah, I know you come from this realm. Like, how important is it really for science to study viruses in labs that could destroy us? You mentioned that I've just been on a, I've been interviewing with the journalist for the last hour and a half and she was asking basically similar questions.

This is, so let's see. Now I, I've lost, the first question was easy to answer. What was the first question? The first question, I guess, was how likely was the virus released on purpose? Oh, the release, right. Okay. So indeterminate, no data, was it intentional or unintentional, and the books have been scrubbed by the CCP. There's the best of my knowledge, unless somebody comes forward, and if they did, they would get a bullet to the hand.

They would immediately commit suicide. there's no way that we're ever going to know the answer to that. There is certainly a cloud of ambiguity that, and, you know, prosecutors often talk about motive. And there is motive all over the place. Remember, the United States government potentially had motive, you know, release this pathogen. in the beating heart of industrial China, which is what Wuhan is. True. Is a very odd thing.

I think the preponderance of evidence is that the Wuhan Institute of Irology had really sloppy BSL-3-4 practice. They just weren't up on the regs, and they weren't doing things in the right and proper way. They were sloppy. that's part of, you know, there was, there's a paper trail showing that Fauci or DASIC or somebody, I think it was DASIC was saying that, well, if we get this done at WIV, it'll cost us less because they don't have to be as fully compliant with all the standards. So WIV was sloppy.

And as somebody who's worked at a primary research center, I can tell you that non-human primate to human transmission is a chronic problem. Monkeys are a nasty bit of work. They throw feces, they bite, they scratch. They're just, you know, a monkey in a cage is not a happy beast. And infections happen. There's a variety of viruses that monkeys have that can be quite, pathogenic in humans, but they don't spread from human to human, but they will spread from monkey to

human. And it's a constant risk if you're working in non-human primate research, as my wife used to do, and I used to do. Wow. So there's that. I think that the probability is that it was unintentional, but I absolutely can't rule out that there was an intentional component. And The whole, the CIA was on this like, you know, Lyndon B. Johnson used to use the term flies on shit. They were all over this. And they were all over this, you know, as we know from Event 201, before it officially happened. There's just a whole lot of things here that still don't add up. And I'm aware that the FBI is actively investigating about.

and what went down. So, you know, hold your beard. And do you think these viruses are being worked on in labs today, the NEPA virus and all this stuff? I mean, do you think that's warranted?

I mean, you as a... Well, I think it's bioterrorism. Well, no. Well, yeah, a lot of people... Let's unpack, because this is important. Let's unpack this. There are multiple things going on here. One is a sense of entitlement.

by investigators that work in this space. And I've dealt with these people. I dealt with them at UC Davis. They feel that they are the best and the brightest. There's nobody qualified to provide oversight for them. And they basically have the right to do this. You know, in its high profile, they can publish important papers. They can make fundamental discoveries.

We need to understand these things. This is basic fundamental science that can save the world because we can anticipate future viral evolution by doing directed evolution and making these things happen. And never mind that the very fact that you are busy doing this stuff in messing about with these pathogens makes it more likely that these scenarios might occur because naturally it is it takes a long time and it's a complex process to evolve to jump from one species to another species that can be what a thousand years maybe in some cases it all depends but you know if you have a dense population of humans like in a big city, like in West Africa, where everything's. So, for instance, Ebola, so let's unpack the lessons of Ebola a little bit.

Ebola exists in bat populations, that's for sure. And occasionally humans would encounter bats through bushmeat or species and trees or god only knows. and you would have sporadic outbreaks of Ebola in little villages in Africa. And basically the world didn't care because the virus is so hot, so infectious, that it would rip through that particular little village. Everybody would die. They would all sit there and decompose and somebody would eventually find a bunch of dead bodies in the village, but it wouldn't jump to another village unless somebody came through and carried it. So it was pretty well contained because it was so pathogenic if it got loose.

And then the story of the West African outbreak was that it got into some of these major cities that are just teeming with a destitute urban poor. And as it settled into those environments, it began adapting to humans. And now we have people that are literally chronically infected with Ebola, their carriers. It will fit in the posterior chamber or the anterior chamber of the eye, which is immunologically privileged, and reappear. You know, somebody appears to not be. infected with Ebola and then suddenly they develop symptoms and spread it to others. So that's kind of, you know, that's a case where the virus jumped and it evolved very rapidly

because it was in a, you know, kind of a human petri-dish environment. So you can't say it's only going to take a thousand years. It's going to take 10 years or it's going to take two years. In fact, we put out a substack today talking about the repair study. that shows that the estimates that the WHO and the G12 use for the risks of pandemics and the costs of pandemics are grossly overstated because they've made some fundamental miscalculations in their modeling and projections.

But it can happen. And usually what happens, as we've seen with COVID, the history of virology, is among other things, that when a virus jumps into a new host, like into humans, it tends to be highly pathogenic and relatively poorly transmissible at first. And then it will evolve to become much more transmissible and much less highly pathogenic. And you can figure it out by that little story that I told you about Ebola. when it is so highly pathogenic, it kills all the hosts, and it doesn't go any further.

Right. And so the virus, you know, the under evolutionary pressure, viruses want to spread, they want to replicate, and they are genetically selected for greater efficiency in transmission and replication and reduced pathogenicity. this is always the history of a viral virus when it enters a new host. But at first, when it enters a new host, it's not well adapted to that host. Right. And that's where you get these really highly pathogenic things that have a high case fatality rate. But in the case of COVID, what was really odd was that, you know,

and this alone shows the lie in the natural transmission story, is the bats don't live in Wuhan. The bats that they were saying were the source live way far out in rural China. So somebody would have had to trap those bats, bring them into the live animal market, and that whole transport chain, you know, hundreds of miles, you would have seen occasional infections as these live bats were being brought back to Wulham. But you don't see that. All you see is this strange emergence right next to the facility that happens to be engineering

those bat viruses of this highly human adapted virus. Okay. That's just that that's not plausible. Right. All right. It would have made more sense if it were pigs like the Event 201. Yeah, I think they used pigs in that. Yeah.

The simulation was pigs instead of bats. Yeah, and I think it was what, South America or whatever. Yeah, South America is what they said instead of China. Dr. Holland, I'm going to ask you a question that probably no one ever asked you. And I want to ask this to close this. Because I think it's hopefully no one ever asked you this. I always like to kind of, we've been on a journey spiritually and all this stuff. I don't know what your spirituality is at all.

I don't know if you believe in God or Jesus or nobody or. I'm a Christian. I was raised a Episcopalian. I'm embarrassed to say. Okay. But my wife and I are believers. Okay. And we've come closer to faith and faith-based orientation during COVID crisis.

I don't think anybody's been paying attention. Can't go through. I agree. And that's why I wanted to ask you that, because I know you obviously have been on the science realm for so long. And if you look at like the science aspect, like Dr. Falsci said, I am the science. I am not a science.

You just don't have visibility. I have a whole many Christian broadcasts, faith-based broadcasts have me on. And next weekend I'll be on the Salt and Light Conference podcast. And I was at the Salt and Light Conference down in Tennessee like a year ago. Well, and that's what the reason I'm asking this, because we've been on a journey ourselves. Like Sherry comes from a Jewish family. I come from a Christian household, you know, growing up, but I've had so many questions. I went away from it.

And now all of a sudden, for whatever reason, you know, we had a biblical series a year and a half ago. And there was something telling me, like, we're not ready for that series. I don't know what it was. I think I had, I think I was going against it more than I was trying to push it. And but then as you start seeing the world around you change and not just change, but like, react the way that biblical references maybe tell you that this is what's going to be. going to happen. Like this is what's going to happen. And so that's why I wanted to ask you what your spiritual side is, because you are from the science community, obviously. You are from this era of,

you know, you're going to go down as someone that was revolutionary, obviously in the MRNA technology, but in specific, how you came out what I believe is for the people during this time, because I think you had to have people like you. Yeah, you had to, I mean, if you didn't have to. I'm not going to go down as a conspiracy theorist and a, uh, well, you might. I mean, but listen, but most people are going to realize that. Yeah. Most people that are conspiracy theorists are like true nowadays.

It's so crazy. They're all true now. It's like, it's like three years ago, Dr. Malone, I used to, people used to talk and they say, you know, the Kim Trails, Kim Trails, Kim Trails. I'm like, oh my God, you guys are crazy. And then you start actually kind of researching some of the, some of the geoengineering, you know, that they're doing in various places. That's also strange. But I just want to ask you what your spiritual beliefs were.

And with RFK now in, in position, do you believe that he's going to change the course of our health, hygiene, And make us healthy again. Yeah. You certainly going to try. And I speak to him from time to time. We talk about various things. Seems like mostly it's about bird flu. Yeah.

And I may find myself working more closely with him in the future. Who knows? That would be awesome. Yeah, that would be amazing. Yeah, don't hold your breath. And I won't either. but he's certainly going to try but for instance he was trying to you know what the SNAP program is yeah the nutritional assistance or what we call them food stamps this you know this is an example

Bobby is in a position where he has to take little bites out of the apple yeah and and people that are in his base are pissed off because he's not eating the whole apple right away um like eliminating the mRNA vaccines, for example. But his boss is all in on RNA vaccines in Operation Warpspeak. So that's, you know, I can't advise that Bobby ought to be locking horns with Mr. Trump right now. Many of the prior. In view, if any, have succeeded. So he's taking little bites of the apple, and one of them was for the SNAP program.

program to no longer subsidize sugary diet soda pop. And immediately, the sugary soda pop lobby, who knew, has created a swarm of little pop-up NGOs. All, you know, paying protesters and, you know, just the same as we've seen as. seen with like the Tesla. Yeah. And to advocate that children on food stamps, subsidized by the common taxpayer should have the right to drink, full metal jacket, sugar cola. I'm sorry.

I wrote an essay in which I cautioned about the risks of Maha. bearing into nanny state because it is a risk in my opinion. You know, what's the bureaucrats? If Maha gets operationalized and the bureaucrats get their cooks into it,

they're going to want to, it's going to be like the EPA. They're going to want to ban all kinds of stuff. I use the example, if someone happens to want to eat McDonald's and Coca-Cola, it's their right to eat McDonald's and Coca-Cola or smoke a cigar or whatever, in my opinion. But that's not the same as taxpayers subsidizing some child to eat McDonald's and drink sugary Coca-Cola.

I think if we're going to be paying for special nutrition programs for children of the poor, I think that the state has the right to say, hey, we're only going to subsidize good food. I'm okay with that. It might be that Murray Rothbard would have a problem with it, and the anarcho-capitalists and the libertarians would say, no, no, no, no, that's too much state interference. But I think that's a fine line that most of us can agree on that the state has the right. if they're going to pay for the nutrition for those kids to say, we're only going to pay for them to eat good food. Right.

Reasonable to me. Absolutely. Well, and it's also reasonable to me that he's trying to get rid of like all of these bad things in our foods that even Europe doesn't have, you know, the. Yeah, they got four in their greatest versus 10,000 or 14,000. Now, Europe, I'm just back from Rome and it's one of the bitches that the Italians have is that that they have higher food safety standards than the rest of the EU.

But the European Council forces on the government of Italy that it shall buy foods from elsewhere in the European Union. So therefore, we think of the EU as kind of uniform in its food safety requirements, but it's not. And there are states within the EU governments. that are much more, let's say, promiscuous about certain things, not as bad generally as the United States, but still not up to more rigorous standards. But because of the European Commonwealth, the member states are forced to accept agriculture products

from those other nations that aren't up to the same standards as the particular country like Italy might be. So it's not all, you know, unicorns and rainbows for sure. It's safety in Europe, but it is certainly better in things like dies.

Right. Some of the other things, the adultery. Well, Dr. Malone, I don't want to keep you much longer. I know you've had a lot of interviews today, and I'm sure you do that very often.

But one day I would like to bring you back because. You have to come back. Yeah. Absolutely. I want to bring you back. I know guys. I know guys. okay, we can do a Hollywood thing.

Our guys, we'll call your guys, and then we'll figure it out. But listen, what I would like to be my wife. Yeah, same. No, it's funny because I would love to bring you back to talk about some of the just kind of some of the conspiratorials

stuff. A lot of people, just number one, they don't trust the health care system. They don't trust the government. They don't trust anybody even over the past four years. What a head scratcher. Why would they be? And then you think about the biblical aspect, which is why I ask you what your faith was. Like, what do you, you know, I want to get into like the New World Order stuff, like what it talks about in the Bible, this one world government push to kind of go towards one system. It's really, you know, I have a mission to promo this book. And it is full of good topic areas like psychological bioterrorism and surveillance capitalism and a bunch of.

of interesting nuances, the details of the New World Order, how it's structured, why it's like the European Union, what's the role of the West. Here's a fun one I'll leave you with that I learned in Italy. A lot of my Italian buddies are all wound up. Where in the world is Tony Fauci? Do you know the answer? No. Where? It's not Washington, D.C. He is decamped to Sienna, Italy. which is in Tuscany, not a bad place. And he's working closely with his good buddy, Dr. Reno Rapuli, who is the head of GSC vaccines. GSC vaccines and biointech have major facilities, R&D in manufacturing.

So in Siena, Italy. So Tony is now working on the next generation of RNA-based products with his name of RPULE in Sienna, Italy. Wow. So that's where he's at. I was wondering where he was at. Yeah, because we have not heard from him lately. Not since he chose. Well, the Italians that are on our side are pretty wound up about this. And the reason I was in Italy was in part for the kickoff for the petition drive to try to stop the pediatric vaccine mandates that have been implemented in Italy much more recently than ours were. Well, Robert, or sorry, Dr. Malone. Robert Cohn-Man.

No, no. No, listen. I would much rather call you doctor because you deserve it with everything you've done. Yes, like Nancy May said, I will refuse to call Tony Fanchi, doctor. Yeah, exactly. But we, but we, but he deserves to be called Dr. Malone. And, and let me tell you why, because people have looked up to you, they have, they have, when everything they felt like was going to hell and they felt like they could not trust their

own doctors, the media, everybody. There was a lot of people that turned to you, we sure did, Dr. Peter McCollum, and some of these others that were out there fighting Dr. Pierre Corey. And man, I don't think you fully realize it yet. And maybe you never will. But one day, hopefully, if history is told correctly, that people like you, they came out and fought against the system and the propaganda, you are going to be one of these

figures in history, hopefully. I really hope that they make a statue. you for guys like you in the future. No, no, I don't, I don't want any golden calf, please. And I really, honest, I appreciate your kindness. And there was some very kind word. There was some very kind words said to me about the Nobel Prize in when I was in Italy in Rome.

But I really abhor the cult of personality things. I really am a farmer and a carpenter and a ferrier. And I love living on this little farm in this part of Virginia up against the Shenandoah National Park with my dogs and my horses and my wife. And what you didn't ask me, here's a question you could have asked me. What is it you're working on lately? No, I'm actually. I was getting that.

That was my last question. The answer would be that I've just finished assembling. a beehive. And I'm currently putting the finish on it. And we're expecting a new bee colony in the next month or so because we're trying to get into bees. We're using the flow technology to give a pump, which makes it so you don't have to tear the hive apart.

You just turn a crank and it cracks the comb and the honey flows out. And so this is high-tech beekeeping. I want to do that. I work on right now. Well, Dr. Malin, if you ever want to invite us to your farm. Yes, because I want to learn how to be a beekeeper. We would love to actually kind of come on board for. We have a guest house, so you're welcome to come.

I'm quite sincere. Have your people call my people. Yeah, we love. We can do a broadcast right here from this old barn that is my current studio. And we'll bring some cameras and just kind of see your everyday life. because I've actually heard before we ever did this podcast. I think Dr. Malona, he's a farmer. That's literally what he is.

First and foremost, he is a guy that is like the man's guy, the guy's man. You're not like Tim Walts. Tim Walts are definitely probably faulty as well. But Dr. Malone, can you tell everybody how to follow you? Tell us about your book too again. Where's your book? Tell them everything they need to follow you or reach out to you. Well, thanks. I'm going to feature where Parlor has been rebooted.

It was shut down after J6, and I'm kind of a little bit of a parlor ambassador. So you can find me on Parlor and X and Truth Social and Getter at R.W. Malone MD. You've got the bylines there. Substack is what pays the bills, and that's Malone.com. And you can subscribe for free, but if you want to participate in the chat, we ask that you pay five bucks a month. That keeps the trolls out. And the books you can get and you can go to our website. Again, it's RW Malone MD.com.

And you can find things there like the definitive Excel spreadsheet of all World Economic Forum Young Leader trainees. that you can short by name, by country, by industry, et cetera. That's kind of beautiful. Awesome. You can find the history of the mRNA vaccine discovery and the documents supporting it. The books, the official way I'm supposed to say this, is you can get them anywhere.

Good books are sold. Yeah. But the truth is that Amazon has, you know, done its monopolistic things. thing and you can get it on Amazon. The two books currently for sale are Lies My Government Told Me and the Better Future Coming. That includes chapters by Pierre and Paul and in Maryland.

And then this new one, Cy War enforcing the New World Order. And if you want the audiobook for Cy War, which I recorded in this studio, with that microphone between 10 p.m. and 4 a.m. in the morning to get rid of the road noise for my neighbors. You can only get that on Amazon. I've been reading a lot lately. Once I started this kind of spiritual journey, I've never really read a lot in my life unless I had to. And so there's something that is happening right now in this world. I think what I'm calling it is the Great Awakening. And I've never talked to more people that are researching and and fact-finding.

They're out there trying to look for themselves. That's exactly what they should do. If you multiple sources of information and don't take what I say is gospel truth or you or anybody else, they should figure it out for themselves because that's the only way they're going to be able to protect themselves and their children as we pass through the next few decades, which are truly going to be a time of testing. Absolutely. I 100% agree.

Well, Dr. Mullen, thank you so much. If you do leave before we in this, just leave your computer on for a minute because it does have to upload your audio. We don't want to lose this. What I'll do is I'll just step away and I'm well familiar with the application stream yard. Okay, cool. Great. It'll do its little magic thing. Yeah.

Well, Dr. Wong, we really, really appreciate you. And like I said, I'm a big fan of yours and I love you. Yeah, we've had so, we've referenced your work so many times during our podcast. I always bring up Robert Malone because I love you. Yeah, we do. Did you catch the, the Joe Rogan hit the other day with Woody Harrelson? I did. Everything I said was true.

That was, yeah, I could, I could have paid him for that. Is that cool? Yes, I love it. Isn't that cool to see Woody Harrelson saying that? That's kind of cool. You got to say that's pretty cool. Well, Dr. Malone, we're very excited that you came on. And we hope that we have you on again.

And like I said, if we ever get up in your neck of the woods, we'd like to see kind of how you live every day and just show people your perspective of your kind of life. And we have. Yeah, we love it. Well, all right, guys, that's Dr. Malone. Thank you very, very much. Yeah, thank you, Dr. Malone. Have a good one.

Guys, that is it. That's going to be it for us. Wow, what a great interview. And that guy is so smart. He is insanely smart. Way smarter than us. Yeah, I couldn't even write down. the words he was saying because I don't even know how to spell them.

No, it's okay. But that's okay. But the reality is he's a genuine down-to-earth guy. And I'm so glad that we got to interview him because we've talked about a lot of his research and everything he stood for and kind of how he came out during the pandemic. And he's just a great guy. And we owe these people like him and others that stood up for the population. These are the guys that have spent years in college and money and funding and everything to get to where they are in their knowledge and understanding.

And I do want to bring him back on to talk deeper about some of the conspiracy stuff, the New World Order. That's why I had to ask him about the spiritual side. Like, what do you believe spiritually? I started rolling my eyes. I'm like, oh, here we go again, Chad. No, I didn't go deep into that. I did not go deep into that, but I did want to at least ask him what he thought spiritually. But guys, that's going to be it for us.

Thank you for listening to this podcast. If you want to follow us, obviously go to Investigator Earth podcast on X or on Facebook or on Instagram or wherever you do social media. We are on all of them. And definitely go follow Dr. Robert Malone and all of his platforms. I think he is a pioneer of our generation. And we are so fortunate and so blessed to have him on the show. We really do appreciate him. And until next time, we love you guys.