Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Drones Chasing UFOs: Are UAPs and Orbs Being Tracked in New Jersey and Across the US?

Episode Date: December 19, 2024

In this eye-opening episode, we dive into the latest reports of drones seemingly chasing unidentified flying objects (UFOs), unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs), and glowing orbs over New Jersey and other parts of the United States. Are these government-operated drones surveilling extraterrestrial crafts? Or is this the newest twist in the UAP mystery?Join us as we examine eyewitness accounts, explore theories ranging from advanced military tech to extraterrestrial encounters, and question what these events mean for our understanding of aerial phenomena. Could we be witnessing a covert operation or something even more extraordinary? Tune in for an engaging discussion packed with insights, conspiracies, and the latest updates on the drone vs. UFO phenomenon.

Tell me something, tell me something I haven't heard before. Because I'm restless and I'm dying to no more. Show me something, show me something I haven't seen before. Because I'm tired of the same boat's the same show. Hello and welcome to Investigator's podcast. I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. By the way, Sherry, welcome back from Chicago. We missed you.

Thank you, babe. I missed you guys so much. But I do want to say thank you to Ashton and L Dave and Steve for coming on the podcast the other night with you guys. It really sounded great and I listened to as much as I could and it was just outstanding. Well, thank you very much. Although we did get a lot of messages saying how much people missed you. But yes, Dave and Ashton and Steve did a great job. Guys, if you have not heard our last episode, please go listen to that episode.

And if you want to watch the videos as we're talking about those videos, we do have that. that available right now on X. And I want to go ahead and start by saying, if you do not follow us on social media, then shame on you. We are most active, obviously, on X because it is, we believe, the free speech platform. But we also have Facebook and Instagram and TikTok and YouTube even, even though YouTube, we've been going through some stuff with YouTube because we've done two live videos about drones and they don't like that so far.

And so we got like some kind of weird censorship email where it says that we got to do all these various things to comply with community guidelines based on our last live stream. And that was like, I guess, right? So it's just ridiculous. That's why I was telling someone like not long ago, I was like, why even try with YouTube, especially considering that it's like they hate us. And I think, especially with algorithms now and how they can kind of find you on the internet, like YouTube in specific, they can just look up like, well, let's look up investigative pockets. Let's see what they've talked about in the past. And if they don't like you, the algorithm doesn't like you, it is going to affect you on their platform, even before you even do anything, right?

Do you think this is going to change after Trump becomes president again? Well, I don't know because it's interesting. You see all of these big, you know, these big tech CEOs that are coming to Mar-a-Lago and meeting with Trump. I think they just want to pass for four years from Trump and his administration. So you're talking about people like Zuckerberg. You're talking about people like Mark, or sorry, Bezos. You're talking about people like Tim Cook from Apple.

All of these big tech CEOs are. all flocking to Mar-a-Lago because they know that Trump has not only the Senate to Congress, but also the presidency, and he won the popular vote. So they're just trying to protect their ass because they want to get through this next four years and hopefully they can figure out a way to where they'll be right back into full-on censorship. And I don't even think that's really going to change over the next four years. So the answer to that question is, do I think it's going to change during Trump's presidency? I don't know.

Trump has a lot to do in this next four years. And is he going to be able to focus? on that. Yeah, in the first two years, really. But it's so funny how everyone's changing their tune about Trump. Before, I could not even walk in a grocery store with a Trump shirt or anything. I'd be look at like I'm a racist or something. And now everyone loves him. And he's talked about it too. He's like, well, now everybody's my friend. It's not like my personality's changed. Yeah. What is it about him that's changed or why are they all changing now? Yeah. It's just a simple fact. They know the overwhelming mandate that he did get in this past election. And guys and girls,

I think we're only like, what, 36 days into the inauguration. And I think, too, the reason why we're doing another drone episode, we are doing drones again. And probably after this episode, we'll leave it alone for a little bit. So this will more than likely be our last episode unless something major comes out or happens that we have not yet heard or, you know, I know they've had some classified briefings lately, which will get to a clip of that as well from what some of the Congress people either learned or did not learn. but I think it's important, right? Because something is going on. There is absolutely no question about that. Now, if you go on X or other social media platforms,

you will see polls across X. And most of the polls say, what do you think is the reasoning for the drone incursions? Like, where do you think these things are coming from? And usually the options will be foreign adversary. It will be U.S. military tech, you know, just consumer-based drones. Some of the polls also mention non-human intelligence or aliens, UFOs.

And then there's some also that talk about false flags, right? So maybe this is just a false flag. They want you to, they want to take your attention all to drones because something else is going on behind the scenes is much bigger. And I often, I understand everything about false flags, right? I get it. But I 100% know for sure that this drone thing's actually happening. you know, it reminds me, which will probably more than likely be our next episode about the Trade Day Aragua gangs. This is what I really want to do next.

Yeah. So, you know, we had talked about that, what, six, seven months ago. In August. Yeah, where these Venezuelan gangs were taken over war complexes. Now they're in various cities across the United States. And six or seven months ago, when we talked about that and even the people we reached out to whoever, they were like, oh, no, this is not happening. You know, all across the mainstream media, they said the Venezuelan gangs are not. taking over these cities.

Your eyes are deceiving you. Even if you see these videos where they're breaking down doors, your eyes. Yeah, it's a lie. That is completely not what you're seeing. It's very similar, by the way. And it's just a few times this has happened. It's no big deal. Yeah.

There's only like certain complexes being taken over by the Venezuelan gang. So there's nothing to worry about really here. But it's similar to that, right? So this drone thing, they're about to try to do the same thing with the drone incursions. They're already starting to ramp up the. social media effort. And I say social media effort. I'm talking about bots that are on there or these paid assets in one of these potential

paid assets allegedly, and I don't know this for sure, but it's Mick West. And for anybody knows who Mick West is, I've been back and forth with Mick West, especially with Ashton and various other topics about UFOs. Mick West essentially is he seems to be like a paid asset to debunk any and everything that has to do with UFOs, advanced technology. He was even on CNN the other day talking about. why none of these are drones. It's all air traffic. Everybody's lying eyes are deceiving them. And so we have people like that. And I think they're about to do the same thing with the drones that

they did with the Venezuelan gangs. They're trying to tell you that what you're seeing or witnessing is not true. Well, it was interesting when I was in Chicago that the only news network that we listened to was CNN, which was pretty funny. But I was talking to my stepdad about all these drones. and he was talking about regulations. It's all about regulations. They're not regulated. This is the problem. People can get these things off Amazon and put them in the air and it's just normal

people off the street is what they're saying in Chicago. Yeah. And it's kind of funny because like if you want to know what the sci op is or what the narrative, the official narrative is, you can ask probably your older grandparents or whoever, your mom, your stepdad, probably even my mom and my stepdad. You can ask these people and you'll find out very quickly what. what the main agenda or the push for the narrative is. And very similarly, like you just said, yes, they are about to try to push for regulations

on drones and all of this other stuff. They want to gain more power from this. Now, that's not to say this is the entire reason for this happening. I do not believe that is the reason that this drone incursion situation is happening. I believe they are going to not let a good story or a good crisis, as we say, go to waste. So they're going to try to take as much power from this scenario as well. as they did with 9-11, as they did with COVID, as they've done with so many things. Now, we're about 30-something days out to the inauguration, and, you know, I've said this before.

I actually said it right before the election, but we knew before the election, the next three or four months was going to be very trying times for our generation, for our society. I think they already have been. Things are changing so freaking fast, even when you think about just the reality of Congress and our government and whistleblowers that are going before Congress and talking about UFOs and UAPs. They're talking about their experiences encountering these things as F-18 pilots, you know, fighter jet pilots such as Ryan Graves, Commander David Fravor.

And then you got David Grush, which worked in highly classified positions within the government that had direct contact with people that did work potentially on some of these craft. And yes, obviously on social media, You will have various people that say, oh, my God, this is all sci-op. And it's like they have done a great job at dividing the UFO community. We've had many episodes where we talk about that. I remember probably two or three years ago when the UFO phenomenon first started really making mainstream media, right?

When you had Tucker Carlson on Fox talking about it. You had CNN, News Nation. And this is when it first started coming out. You almost had like a unity of the UFO community. And everybody was on board. And they were like, hey, maybe. we're going to finally get disclosure. And then somewhere about a year after that, there was a divide.

And then there was a very big divide. You had these debunkers like McWest. You had people that came out and said, this is nothing more than airplanes. This is nothing more than a star. This is nothing more than a planet that you see in the sky. Although when you watch so many of these videos, it is very obvious that this is not what is occurring. It's like there was a push for even trying to say that the military pilots that came

forward. We're all just, you know, assets by the U.S. government to try to make you then believe about UFOs. So it's always been one or the other. What do you want the UFO community to believe? And unfortunately, you do have two sides of the UFO UAP community now that says, I mean, hell, there's people that two years ago believed in UFOs wholeheartedly and said, yes, we finally are about to get disclosure.

And now some of those same people are saying, oh, this is a big sci-op now. Because the government's actually starting to come out and they're sending whistleblowers and we're having congressional hearings. So now I can't trust it. And I think that is intentional by the government because they say, well, look, if we start talking about it, they're probably going to not believe it because they know that we lie about basically everything. Right.

And again, when I was watching CNN, they're talking about anyone that believes there's something else than they're not. There are all these people that believe in these laser something technology and that they're just like crazy conspiracy theorists. And it's so funny that they call them crazy conspiracy theorists. And meanwhile, two years ago, we've been talking. about things like this and now everything comes true. So how are we crazy?

Yeah, it's nuts. Well, there's a guy that actually had this TikTok video. I want to play this because I think that it is, especially with the drone stuff and just everything that's going on in the sky, I want to play you what his thoughts were. I thought this was pretty compelling because I kind of feel very similarly to how he feels. Listen. I got to know of anybody else feels this way. almost as if we are literally approaching something much bigger than we'll probably ever imagine.

And right now it's almost like a calm before the storm. Things are good. You see people out shopping, doing their thing, having a good time. And you're sitting here wondering, does anybody else feel the way that I'm feeling right now? and the feeling is honestly just this like you know i i don't know what's going to change but i know something is definitely without question going to change and how i've been living what i've been doing how i've been operating my life has got me here but it's not going to get me there when that time comes and there's been signs within my body

within my motivation, within my mind of it's speaking to me. Like, hey, you know, you thinking that money and business and your purpose and all these things that you've been working so hard towards, yeah, they're important right now, but they may not be as important in the future. Like, you doing all this and I'm getting the signs to slow down on so many different areas. because it's almost like this divine intelligence is speaking to me of like, hey, it's okay to rest a little bit more. It's okay not to be so driven or so type A. It's okay to be more internal right now.

It's okay not to go out and, you know, have all these ambitions and all these different things because I, whatever I am, this intelligence, I am preparing you. And I don't really know what else to do other than surrender and trust it. And like when I need to rest and I don't want to do the thing that I think I should be doing, you know, maybe listen to it more. I don't know. Because it's speaking to me loudly now. The body's speaking to me. The environment's speaking to me.

The energy, the vibes. They're all speaking to me. That things are changing. and that I naturally need to change as well. And if I fight the resistance, I'm going to feel it. And I have been feeling it. Every time I try to fight it, every time I try to go back on and do these old patterns, and be these old ways of how it used to be, it's not allowing me to stay that way.

It's been interesting. So that's his point. I mean, he's just saying that something he feels like big is coming, right? There's a big change, a big shift. Something is in the air. Now there are people out there that are, you. You know, churchgoers, they go to church every single Sunday. They believe every single thing they've ever been taught, right?

And that's something that Sherry and I have talked so heavily about, and I'm not going to get deep into the weeds on that on this episode. But Sherry and I also have had so many deep conversations lately, you know, about similar things, right? And whether it be our spirituality or just where we are in the world or what is actually going on in reality. I think our reality right now is changing. And whether or not we realize it is changing or not. it is. For example, Google just now, I believe a week ago, this article was posted that they have a supercomputer. We're talking about a mass. It's the craziest thing they've ever built, right?

And this is, I guess the article essentially says that this supercomputer, this quantum computing is what they have now, where they're literally wanting, and Joe Rogan even talked about this on this episode the other day that their Google is requesting to build nuclear power stations to be able to power this quantum computer. And so what this quantum computer can do essentially is what they're saying is it already now proves the existence of a multiverse as far as how it's able to compute things and understand things and mathematically equate things to where it would take super computers, the best things we've ever had, it would take them like subtillion of years,

whatever the hell that means, right, versus this system that could create or find out or figure out something in five minutes, right? So we're talking about massive types of, I guess you can say, well, quantum computing, but also just very complex problem solving or understanding of whether it be our universe, our existence, our everything, this now quantum computer potentially can do that. And what the article says is that it seems like this quantum computer actually shows a little bit of the existence of a multiverse, right? So what you're kind of saying is this quantum computer is more advanced than AI? Oh, yeah, far.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's like it could be one of the greatest things that ever happened to humanity. but it could also be one of the most detrimental or maybe even civilization killing things that happen to humanity right we just don't know and it's kind of a scary time to be alive but it's also exciting yeah it's also exciting but also you think about this as well you know when you have systems like this there are people right now for sure in the united states government and around the world that these orbs that we are seeing in the sky not just the drones we're going to talk about the difference in a minute but these drones versus

orbs in our sky, I can promise you this, that the quantum computing machines or systems likely already have a generalized intelligence, right? They already have some type of intelligence that is working on its own. They understand how to work in itself without having to need necessarily input from outside sources. And I can almost guarantee you that they likely already know what these things completely are, where they come from potentially, whether it be on another realm, another dimension, whatever the case is. And these are things that we could definitely solve. I mean, it's just like we were talking the other night is that when you get so much

of this complexity in our systems now, and then there's also a race for like who is going to have this technology. Yeah, and I was going to say, who has the technology and who's able to use this technology. Well, we know the United States has it. More than likely, China has it, but we don't know for sure. You know, even I saw an article the other day that China has been working on. on some type of system to where they are almost shape-shift in plasmoids. Wow.

To where they're almost like drones, but they can shape-shift. They can move in various ways. That's crazy. Yeah. So this is all based on plasma. I know. See, now my thinking is going to start changing now because, you know, in the past, I always thought, okay, orbs.

They have to be something of not this earth, like non-human. But now it's like we have all these like intelligent computer systems that are creating these things. So you're not going to know what is human and what is not human. Yeah. Well, I think that's maybe also the point. And I think a lot of actually the technology, a lot of the advancement science that we have got, I think up until this point, I do believe we've got that from something. We have reverse engineered craft. We have even maybe, I know this sounds kind of batheed crazy out there, but who knows if we have communicated or have relationships with non-human intelligence that some of our elites or whoever.

it is that's kind of behind the scenes are communicating actively or have agreements with these things. I mean, you go back to Eisenhower days. Eisenhower allegedly, I guess, met with non-human intelligence or aliens to where they made some type of contractual agreement here. So I'm saying all that to say this. I'm not saying that this podcast, we're going to prove to you that these drones are aliens or non-human intelligence.

But what I can say is that it seems very peculiar. to me that there are two things that we're seeing in the sky, especially very heavily right now. We're seeing a mass amount of drones without question. These things are not just aircraft. Yes, they do have red and green nav lights. And this is FAA regulated guidelines, right? So if you have a military program or whatever the case may be, yes, they would more than likely also have these nav lights.

But you also see drones, which appear to do maneuvers very similar to drones that are not just the airplanes that we see in the sky. They move different. They hang out for seven plus hours. You have multiple reports of these things. Well, these things don't always have red and green lights. Sometimes they just have white lights that are blinking. Sometimes they're just swept wing design.

Sometimes they're almost orby looking or some type of ballish type deal. Right. And then you also have at the same time, you are seeing these orbs show up. They're starting to show up more heavily. You're seeing this red or orange looking orbs. There was a flight from Chicago. just the other day it's on video. I think we posted it on our X.

So if you want to go check it out, go follow us on X Investigator's podcast. But there was a flight from Chicago to Newark. And in this flight, it was about 30,000 feet. There were multiple people that were recording outside their right window looking down at about 30,000 feet. So the plane was at 30,000. Likely they were looking down somewhere about 25,000, 26,000 feet.

And there was about five or six red orbs that were moving in various ways. they would disappear, reappear, reassemble. They would be in pattern-like formations, very similar to the things we see over the ocean or we have seen over the ocean. Things that look non-human to us. Yes, that move in very weird ways. I mean, we actually on our last episode just played the clip of the Oregon pilots that encountered these orbs or these craft that were moving from 30,000 to 50,000 feet to even higher potentially to are moving at breakneck speeds because, you know, the airline pilots are like, I don't know how to, to describe the speed. I'm just telling you it's insanely fast.

And they're going out over the ocean coming back in usually. And, you know, obviously the question there is, why do they keep going over the ocean and coming back in? So. Absolutely. But I just want to ask you a question. Do you think these things that are maneuvering and going like top speeds could be our technology?

Are you still on the side of its non-human technology? And we have not engineered that yet. I still, and we actually talked about this in the last podcast with Ashton, you know, obviously Ashton has been so heavily going towards the advanced technology or propulsion side of things, right? And I think people have to be doing that right now because we have to be able to understand what we have, potentially to also understand now what we also don't have. And whereas I do not think that the orbs and the various things that are pilots encountered over either military bases or off the East Coast and West Coast. to where these are F-18 pilots.

They were damn near getting hit by these things on a daily basis, which will play you a clip from the Ryan Graves' J'Rogan episode in just a bit. But I don't think that those are our technology. Even Ryan Graves said on J'Rogan, he said, you know, we had a post-deployment workup. So fire pilots, what they got to do is they go through basically a usually two-to-three-week workup. So they'll send them down to wherever they're going to go. they're going to train specifically for this mission for two to three weeks.

I believe that they went off into Florida from Virginia or wherever this was. So during this two to three week workup, they had to do obviously training exercises on a daily basis off the coast, you know, over Florida, whatever. But he said they were almost about to completely cancel the entire workup training exercise because of the drone incursions that they were seeing on a regular basis. They had multiple near misses. We're talking about there were a pilot. that were damn near getting hit by these things on a regular basis.

And they were about to call off the entire workup pre-deployment. And like Ryan Graves said, what that does, by the way, while we were about to have to call it off, now you have pilots that have been overseas wherever they were about to go that are ready to come home. They need to come home, just, you know, especially fighter pilots. They have fatigue, especially over a long period of time. You need to get those pilots back home.

And they were about to cancel this, meaning those pilots overseas would have had to stay there longer. They would have had to completely reschedule all this workup training. It would have been a nightmare for the U.S. military. And just thinking about even the astronauts that are stuck in space right now, they said that they were going to come home in February because Elon Musk, but now it's late March. But I was going to ask you the question about that is if our military are doing exercises

and these things are coming around and messing up, their exercises. Why would it be our military that's causing these messups? Well, that's, that's my, you know, entire point.

I don't think a lot of what our fighter pilots are seeing where it is directly interfering with their, where their sorters or training exercises. I just don't believe that would be our military that is directly interfering with that. Right, with their own exercises. Yeah.

Especially putting our polis lives at risk and also potentially canceling these training or workup missions to where they're getting ready to deploy, bringing other troops back or other pilots back home. I don't believe that's the case. But I wanted to get to this Daily Mail article, mystery as radioactive shipment goes missing in New Jersey amid drone invasion. Now, I want to briefly touch on this because I know we've touched on this.

I believe the last episode, and I think I kind of had a better thought process on this now. But the article essentially says radioactive material went missing in New Jersey earlier this month, fueling conspiracy theories that it could be linked to the mysterious drone sightings. Now, a piece of medical equipment used for cancer scans was shipped from Nausea Cancer Center in Newfield on December 2nd for disposal, but the shipping container arrived at his destination, damaged, and empty. The device known as a PIN source contained a small amount of germanium-68 or GE-68 that is used to calibrate a medical scanner accuracy. The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission issued an alert for the missing shipment deemed less than a category three, meaning it,

could cause permanent injury if mishandled. The danger with losing track of radioactive material is that they can be used to build bombs. But the reality of this particular, I guess, pin, as they call it, going missing, could they use this for a nuclear bomb? I don't believe so, right? Everything I've read, everything I've researched. I don't think this in particular would be used for a nuclear bomb.

and it's funny because this thing was shared far and wide when the nuclear regulatory agency actually posted this announcement and it did just so happen to be around the same time. Obviously, the drones are all over the skies. And so this got everybody thinking, oh, well, there's a dirty bomb on, you know, on U.S. soil. Now, the reality is, is that that's not our biggest risk is a pin that went missing from some type of medical,

you know, some type of medical device. vice, right? That is not what we need to be looking for. What we have to understand is that our borders have been open for four years. We have had, we have had people from across the world. I'm talking about in countries that hate America, countries that have vowed to take down America, the countries, the very same countries, by the way, that after 9-11, that is when we essentially stopped all air traffic or anybody at all coming in from those places or from those regions. We stopped all air traffic from those areas. And now we just essentially let. everyone in our borders and including Chinese nationals.

When you're talking about 20 to 40,000 plus Chinese nationals that would stage in South America. And unlike many of the people that came across Mexico and then came across our border, many of those were gotaways where they never even encountered border patrol. You had Chinese nationals that were staging in South America. They had very complex tent systems and almost like basically camps. They were like superior to the other people. Oh, absolutely.

the border. Absolutely. They were. And most of these guys are military age men. And then they were getting picked up by boats from South America. They were being taken up the coast of Mexico into California coast or Baja or various other places. And then they were just coming right into America. We don't know who the hell these people were.

Most of these people were not family-type people. They were all mostly military age, 20, 30-year-old men, whether it be hackers, people that actually know how to detonate dirty bombs inside the United States. States, including also the many Iranians that were potentially also connected to the Iranian regime. And I know that so many people have always told us, oh, you talk bad about Iran, but the reality is it's not we don't talk bad about the Iranian people. It's that even the Iranian people talk bad about the regime. I mean, we've got so many emails and messages that, yes, you guys have an over-oppressive

government. and when Obama was sending billions of dollars over to Iran, and then Joe Biden unfrozed that money once he got in, then you've got to think about all of the, I guess, networks that Iran funds. So whether it be Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah, probably ISIS, probably all these other, you know, potential terrorist organizations. How much of that money went to nuclear? You could have a suitcase nuke that someone could bring.

bring across the border from some of these regions. And that would have been heavily funded by Iran potentially. And you just don't know, right? And we were supposedly giving them money so they would not build nuclear. Yeah, which is ridiculous. Everything's gotten so much more lax now, especially with airline travel and all of that, right? Everything's more lax and it's almost on purpose, right? Because as we've said for all the years we've done this show, especially the last three or four years,

it's like to destroy America, you have to destroy it from within. Now, we'll talk a little bit about, as we just talked about, the nuclear threat of this drone incursion. And me personally, I don't know if that's what these things are being used for. If they were being used for this, I do understand I've heard reports that the reason why these things will be flying at night rather than during the day, if they're looking for nuclear or they're looking for radioactive substances, I guess there is a heat signature type system that also works better at night, especially if it's nuclear radiation. rather than during a day because you got to think about all of the sunlight that hits various surfaces during a day. That just makes it a lot harder to be able to see certain things that maybe you want to see. That is one theory. I don't know if that's true or not.

But what I can say, a Daily Mail article also just came out talking about New Jersey residents say they're suffering alarming symptoms after encounters with drones. So this is very interesting. Residents in New Jersey and the wider tri-state area claim they have become mysteriously ill after seeing drones. drones in the sky. After witnessing or reading about the devices, residents revealed how they started coughing, suffering from blocked or running noses, or experienced puffy, watery eyes. One woman in New Jersey said she became so sick it felt like she was coughing up her lung, while a second in New York City said her block signances must be because of the drones over

Staten Island. Dailymail.com heard from another New Jersey resident who said that they had developed a stuffy nose and swollen runny eyes after the drones flew over their home. But doctors told DailyMell.com after reviewing the symptoms that it was extremely unlikely. These sicknesses were linked to the drones. And they pointed out it was now the start of flu season and other illnesses like COVID-R-SV noravirus. Because more comment around this time, Dr. Thomas Moore, an infectious disease expert, said it is entertaining to try to blame a sickness on condensation trails of planes or drones. But the actual explanation is much more mundane.

So. But before you go any further, did they? not lose a bunch of viruses in Australia? Yeah, they did for sure. Yeah, I mean, they did for sure. There was Australia that lost, you know, half the laboratory. I think it was 55 different deadly pathogens in Australia. That was about a month ago. But, I mean, yeah, is it causing people actual sicknesses over New Jersey?

I don't know. I mean, doubtful. Well, what I would think, right, especially considering the, the bulletin that went out to all fire and law enforcement in New Jersey. Jersey, whereas that if you encounter these drones, make sure you evacuate three to 1,000 feet away. Also understand that your communication devices may actually not work when you were around the drones, call the nearest bomb squad.

There are various things about this, right? Basically, stay away. Don't go near it. Just call someone. And if we go back to what Tucker Carlson said and many others talking about how many, but, you know, how many soldiers in our military that have encountered or UAPs, that either died or actually had long-term brain or brain image. Right.

Brain damage. And disability. Yeah. And disability. And so if I was going to see some type of sickness from this, I mean, unless this thing is literally just spraying out stuff, which I do, I do understand that there was a video. Yes, there was. Yeah. But I don't know.

That looked like to me a contrail, right? So, and it looked like an airplane. So it didn't even look like a drone. Did not look like something was spraying out. Now, I'm talking about the video. It looked like it almost like a beam. coming down to the ground. It's because the way the video was shot, though.

I mean, yeah, it's literally a contrail and it's an airplane flying across the sky. That's what it looks like to me, right? But this is how- Well, this is how internet rumors start, though, and then they start saying, oh, my God, this is spraying us with deadly chemicals. This is a drone doing this. There's so many conspiracy theories out there. But the reality is, is that we have to try to get to, like what it actually might be.

Otherwise, we'd just talk out of rask. continuously and we're trying not do that. And I'm going to tell you, and we'll talk about what we think, I guess, is the most likely, the most likely in my mind. It may not even be the case. I'm just saying it could be. Now, before I get to that, I want to get to the Cuomo interview on News Nation where he talks to a few people about this.

And I thought it was pretty interesting piece, which I wanted to make sure I played this. This is Tim Burchett that came on along with, I believe, I can't remember who the other guys, but listen to this. I think it's very interesting. and we'll talk about it on the backside. Bring in Republican Tennessee Congressman Tim Burchett, friend of show, and Professor Dakota, Rutasil. And you can tell me if I mangled your name, I do it all the time.

Professor, how do I say your name the right way? You nailed it, Rudicil. 30 years studying nuclear weapons, working homeland security, understands, okay? First of all, let's start on the political. And professor, you listen to what I hear from Tim. got any questions, let me know. Representative, I have it right that there's a classified briefing, right? Why do you guys need one if there's nothing to see here?

There's a classified briefing last week. I didn't go to it, Chris, because I, and thank you for having me back on, brother. Of course. They bring you into the briefing, and then you can't talk about it. And if you do, you can be brought up on charges. And even if it's something you already know, which you and I think I know what's going on with some of this, I don't think it's their sniffing. out nuclear stuff. I mean, I don't blame that guy for saying that. Everybody's got a theory on it.

My guy's down to my Liars Club, coffee club every Saturday morning. They've got a theory on it, too. But the reality is, I think it's a combination of everything. If I could go into that, is that all right? You use the time as you want, sir. You serve the people. I think you've got a combination of things going on. You've got some copycats. But I do think the Chinese are using this. They have componentry and everything we've got the camera that's filming me right now is Chinese. They have their componentry in our fighter pilots. And there was a report out a while back. And it's been talked about a lot that they could, they're afraid they could have the capabilities of even turning off some of our jets if we were to get into a conflict with them. I don't know if they're behind 100% this, but they are monitoring this.

You remember that Chinese spy balloons? Weather balloon. Yeah. That thing flew over. The Aleutian Islands came down, went across the country, chance first, went turned directions, came back around, took in Oak Ridge National Laboratory in my backyard there in Tennessee, did everything.

Then they shot it down off the coast of Myrtle Beach. Now, the Chinese are cold and calculated. They look at everything that we do. They monitor every movement. They're monitoring. And on that thing, they didn't really have to do much spine, because honestly, they've got people in our colleges and you. universities. They've got, I mean, they had a member of Congress had a relationship with a known spy.

You had a known spy that was a driver for a U.S. senator for 10 years, for goodness sakes. So I don't, I think what they're monitoring is our response. And you are correct. We, we are going to end up moving on off this thing. And then something's going to happen major because of these drones, because we are not paying attention to it. And I firmly believe that the Chinese are monitoring this. They have componentary in these things. They know where they are. They know what's going on. And they are watching our political reaction, our military reaction, and just the

national, our press reaction to this thing. And for our White House to kind of poo-poo it, to me, sends the wrong message. I think you should take the American public serious. They're concerned about this. New Jersey is a, I know a bunch of folks up there in New Jersey since I've been in Congress. They talk funny, but they're good folks. And they, that was one of the most compliant areas of during COVID, if you remember.

But these folks are not compliant about these drones. They're incredibly heightened about it. And they should be. All right. So there's Tim Burchett where he's talking to Chris Cuomo and, you know, what did Chris Cuomo say there that kind of caught your ear, Sherry? Because I know you wrote it down, which was when. Tim Burchett was saying.

Yeah, when he was saying it was a spy balloon, he's like, no, it was a weather balloon. No, it was a spy balloon. And I thought it was really interesting that Tim Burchett was saying they're monitoring a response. Because when he said that, it made me think about all these FBI agents, these government people, these senators that say these things are following them home. Yeah. And by the way, I got to actually a quick good video about that. We had a very famous doctor, actually. He went on his show where he talked about what he witnessed over his house.

And this is, sorry, not Dr. Judge, Judge Napolitano, he witnessed a mystery drone over his house. And listen to what he said about when he looked at this thing. Listen. My column this week, I just finished it and got it back from my editor. It was about the drones over New Jersey. I saw this drone. There was one right over my farm. I don't want to sound paranoid that they were looking at me, but I looked at it.

It looked at me, and then all of a sudden it took off anyway. Oh, my goodness. The government is insisting, don't worry, it's nothing. P.S., we don't know about it. And nobody believes that the government doesn't know about it. No. No, we really, we are really, I mean, where we are in this country as Americans, and I don't care what Democrat, liberal, whatever you want to be.

No one really believes the government. Yeah, I agree. And I think that's one thing that we have learned from all of this the past four years, especially since COVID, was no matter what side you're on, if you still believe the government and what they say, and especially mainstream media, then there's something wrong with you because they lie on a consistent basis. And this has absolutely been proven over the past four years. Now, I want to play you also what Donald Trump said in this press conference.

conference, the first press conference he has had at Moralago since he has been president-elect. And this is specifically what he said about the drones and his response. Because we got to remember, a lot of these drones are flying over Bedminster, which is where one of his big houses are, his golf course up there in New Jersey. And this is what Trump said to the reporter to ask him. Good to see you. Can you comment on the drones that are flying around New Jersey reports? It seems like the American people have a big discipline. The government knows what is happening.

Look, our military knows where they took off from. If it's a garage, they can go right into that garage. They know where it came from and where it went. And for some reason, they don't want to comment. And I think they'd be better off saying what it is. Our military knows and our president knows. And for some reason, they want to keep people in suspense. I can't imagine it's the enemy because it was the enemy they'd blast it out.

even if they were late, they'd blast it. Something strange is going on for some reason they don't want to tell the people, and they should because the people are really, I mean, they happen to be over Bedminster. We should know. They're very close to Bedminster. I think maybe I won't spend the weekend in Bedminster. I've decided to cancel my trip.

Have you received an intelligence briefing on the drones? I don't want to comment on that. All right. So the last thing that the reporter asked him, Have you received an intelligence briefing on a drones? He said, I don't want to comment, which means yes, he probably has. Yes. And he said, I am not going to spend the weekend there.

Yeah. But also he talks. He says something is very strange going on, right? What does that mean exactly? Especially if you can kind of correlate what he said with, have you received an intelligence briefing? Do you know what these things are, whatever? And he said, I'm not going to comment on that. But the government definitely knows what's going on.

And they should probably tell the American people. Yeah. And that's the thing. The government knows he. knows because he's been briefed on it. So let the American people know. We have a right to know what's going on in our skies. Absolutely.

And there was a guy that came on that was actually Congressman Scott Perry following a classified briefing on the mystery drones by the FBI, CIA, and DHS. Now, contrary to what Tim Burchett said earlier with Chris Cuomo, he said, I didn't go to the briefing because, number one, more than likely, we already know in a lot of ways what they're going to tell us anyway. And then if you talk about it, even though you knew it before, then you can be brought up on charges about that, right? Because you're in a classified setting and then say you go on mainstream media and talk about

it. They're going to be like, well, you learned that in our briefing. Yeah. So then you're in trouble. So you can't talk about it. So it is better sometimes for these guys not to even go to the meetings so that they can talk about it. Exactly.

So this was a guy that was in the actual, this is representative Scott Perry that was in the classified briefing. And this is what he had to say. different representatives from the federal government. You can imagine the three-letter agencies that were in the room. I was not satisfied in the least with the information that we received. I actually think that in some cases we had more information than they did, and that's very concerning. I would say this.

Look, you can't have officials saying that we don't know who's doing it, but there's nothing to be concerned about. both those things can't be true at the same time. And that's what they're saying. And, you know, that's just inappropriate. So for the results of the FBI's investigation, now, I don't know how long it's going to take me to get them. You know, that would be anything class. We want to see the American people want to trust in the information they're receiving. And, you know, when you, when you see something with your own eyes, there better be a pretty darn good explanation for it. And don't just tell us that we're seeing things and that they didn't occur. It's the same old same old, you know, that the government has done to us. And unfortunately, they've just lost some time here, as you

know. And unfortunately, I left without any answers whatsoever in my opinion. So let me ask you this. And I have tried to emphasize that this was a classified briefing. And with that, I know, you're very limited on what you can say. So let me, let me approach you from this direction. What more would you like to know? I mean, what are some questions that you would like to have answered? The questions I would like to have answered are, have you positively identified any of these vehicles? And who is operas? Have you located the individuals? you know, are they operating within any kind of guidelines? Jody, there are a lot of reports, and some come from the state police, from county sheriffs.

I mean, you know, it's, yeah, I hate to say it this way, but it's one thing if, you know, the general public report something. But when a state police officer reports something, having followed up on it, tried to, and tried to intercept one of these, one of these things or more than one of these things. To me, that that has credibility because someone in the position of authority has had eyes on and tried to do something about it. And for the FBI to not be able to speak to that to me is concerning. And so, you know, again, those are some of the answers to the questions that I have. And, you know, are they coming onto the shore? Are they, you know, Can you verify, can you validate that the sightings that many people are claiming are real? You know, those are simple questions that you think if you were going to a briefing, you would have answers to.

Yeah, so there is, like we said, this is Representative Scott Perry from Pennsylvania, where he went to one of the classified briefings. He said, in most cases, it seemed like we knew more than they did. And by the way, you didn't. You just, they made you think that you did. and for some reason, this is classified, right? If this was nothing more than consumer drones that were operating legally, like what John Kirby has continued to say all across mainstream media every single time he's been on, he has said, everything we've found so far, FBI, DHS, whoever, these are either

lawfully abiding consumer drones or air traffic. I mean, and that's just got to be bullshit. Otherwise, why is it classified? Exactly. And we've got to think about what is. individual and what is classified and what is all this mean? Can you buy a drone off Amazon that is the size of a SUV? No, you cannot. The only drones typically that are bigger than consumer-based drones that you might see in the sky would be law enforcement, state government, or federal, right? Other than that, you also have movie drones, which, you know, can house pretty big cameras on these things.

there are a lot of guys that either I know or watch or have, you know, whatever that have been kind of in the movie sphere. And some of these drones are the size of our table here, which is like a kitchen table maybe. They got multiple propellers on them. They are able to produce enough thrust to be able to actually bring up these cameras that in some cases, you know, could weigh 20, 30 pounds, big lenses, you name it. So the movie industry uses bigger drones quite often now. obviously, because it's a lot cheaper than using helicopters like they used to have to use for action scenes or whatever the case is. But what we're seeing over New Jersey and not just New Jersey, we got to remember,

and by the way, guys, we're trying to kind of get to the point of what I think or what we think kind of maybe some of this stuff is just based on our best guess. But you have to go back and listen to many of our episodes because some of those episodes had, you know, New Jersey State Police that we're talking about when they actually sent their larger drones up that had various types of cameras or systems on their drones to be able to get close enough to some of these things to see what they were. These things blacked out, disappeared. And didn't kill their battery?

No, but no, they did not kill their battery. But for a lot of the consumer drones, they, you know, they were not able to send, you know, people that were trying to send their drones up to see what these things are. A lot of those would not even go up past 50 feet, whatever the case is. But from what I understand is a lot of the state law enforcement or local law enforcement that have sent their drones up, as soon as they got close enough to potentially be able to see what these things were, the lights would go out. They would completely disappear and they would have no idea where these things went. Talking about the other drones. And these are, by the way, drones that had the red and green lights.

So these are not airplanes. Airplanes would not just disappear. And by the way, you would also not be able to get close enough with even a state law enforcement drone to an actual. airplane to be able to even see what it was to begin with. But I think also, too, when they're talking about individual drones, they're not just talking about what people as individuals can buy. I think that they're also talking about these notorious aircraft manufacturers, you know, that build major aircrafts.

They're the ones that are building these humongous things. You're talking about Lockheedon. Yes, all of them. I mean, there is a possibility. could be there. Oh, absolutely. No, that without a doubt, I mean, and you have to understand that Lockheed, Raytheon and all these companies that produce a lot of weaponry for the United States government,

they produce a lot of aircraft, stealth technology. More than likely if we have reversed alien technology, which I 100% believe we have, Raytheon and some of these companies that we know about are the ones that are reverse engineering and housing those craft on their site, on their premises, which are why oftentimes, if you go anywhere near Raytheon or any of this stuff, they are highly classified sites. If you even go near some of these places, I've actually seen videos online

where people would stand outside of either Raytheon or some of these other bases that they have, essentially. I mean, these are like private organizations or private companies, right, that are contracted by the government, but yet they look like military installations. And in some cases, even far more superior security. Yeah, they look like Star Wars.

me sometimes. Yeah, but what I'm saying is the bases. No, not the bases, but yeah, I know what you're saying. Yeah, but the bases have far superior security, even in some cases, the military bases. And I've seen people that have been outside of these places with cameras that they immediately, as soon as they have a camera anywhere near there, they have security, law enforcement, federal agents, whoever, that come and harass them, tell them to get to hell off of anywhere near the property, even though they're in public.

We see this all the time. And so these places are very advanced. Now, wait a minute. I have a conspiracy theory. What if these companies are with the government to do some kind of project blue beam something where they're trying to fake like an alien evasion? Well, yeah, of course. I mean, everyone's been talking about the project blue beam thing.

I don't think they're going to try to fake an alien invasion because I don't think they have to, right? I mean, this, you know, when you look at orbs, you look at UFOs, you look at the lights in the sky. We've seen these for thousands of years. Right. Right. I mean, they didn't fake it then.

But I'm talking about us as humans doing that. I know. Listen, we've talked about Project Blue Beam. And listen, there's no way that if it's Project Blue Beam that you would be having drones that have red and green navigation lights. Okay. Yeah, that kind of is stupid. Because if that's the case, then that's just moronic. And so that's just not the case.

Now, obviously, there is the other aspect of it, right, to where these drones could potentially be up there for a specific. reason. Now, before I get to what I think these drones potentially are doing, if this is, if this is government technology or whatever it is, I think there's a reason maybe why they're up there. But before we get to that, I want to get to this clip of Ryan Graves on Gerrogan talking about a little bit of his back history and what they experienced as a squadron off the East Coast, especially the United States. Obviously, Commander Fravor was off the West Coast, but Ryan Graves talks about it again, and I have to play that for you guys

before we get to our theory. We should explain to people that didn't listen to our first podcast why you're uniquely qualified to talk about this stuff. Just please tell people your background so they understand what you used to do and how you got involved in this whole

UAP thing in the beginning. Yeah, absolutely. So formerly trained aerospace engineer in college, joined the Navy, immediately after with the hopes to go fly fighter jets for the Navy was successful in doing that. And I flew the F-18 Super Hornet for 11 years and two deployments, primarily operating off of Virginia Beach. And pretty standard career until about 2013 or so when we came back from our deployment, we began to upgrade our radar systems.

When that happened, we put in essentially a much more powerful radar into our jet. It took about eight months. So you might fly with a newer radar in the morning, maybe an older radar at night. And consistently, when we were flying with these newer radars, we were picking up a bunch of objects that were operating in our working area that we weren't seeing with the older radar. They were performing in strange ways. They would be stationary. They would be around 250 to 350 knots, kind of meandering around the area. not really working together per se,

but kind of clearly operating in the same vicinity as one another, right? So we weren't flying in formations necessarily. And we'd even see these supersonic as well, 1.1, 1.2 Mach, typically heading east. And we'd only see them over the water. We originally thought they were radar errors, right? Some kind of software glitch. But eventually we started to correlate these across other sensors, such as our IRFlear system, our missile systems would lock onto these.

and we'd try to fly up to them to see them physically with our eyeballs. And when we do that, we wouldn't see anything. We'd come within about 500 feet of these objects. All our sensors are pumped into our helmet, augmented reality style, and it would tell us exactly where to look, and boom, we'd come right past this object, and there would be nothing there. We'd circle back around and then pick it back up on our sensors. It would be slightly displaced, but that was kind of the status quo for a few weeks

until we had a near miss with one of these objects right at the entrance to our working areas. The pilot came back, canceled the flight, had a look of shock on his face, and described as a dark gray or a black cube inside of a clear sphere. And once that happened, we kind of had to come together as a squadron with the safety officer in our squadron and say, hey, you know, like, okay, what's going on? This has kind of been rumor and conjecture, but, you know, we almost had a near miss. You almost lost an aircraft, you know, let's gather as much information as we can. out there were four other near misses that had occurred in the past month that pilots were too uncomfortable to even report. And that really kind of kicked off the seriousness of this issue for us.

And we started filing paperwork, safety reports, and hoping and expecting that this would get resolved in some way as, you know, the proper people, whoever that was, got these reports and they could mitigate it in some way. That never happened, at least from our perspective. So we essentially treated them as safety issues. We would avoid them. We wouldn't fly close to them. And then in 2015, we left to go do what's called a pre-deployment workup cycle aboard the USS Theater Roosevelt.

So we train like we play. You get the whole air wing there, 30 jets, 40 jets, and we're doing these very complex missions. And there were a lot of objects down there as well. They either followed us down there or they were already there. And was there a lot of visual sightings of these objects or is it just equipment? A lot of visual sightings. Was it the same sort of thing, a circle with a square inside of it? Or solid spheres, some elongated spheres, kind of more tic-tac shape, if you will.

And during that workup cycle, that's when we recorded what's now known as a Gimble and GoFast video. And they almost had to shut that entire exercise down because there were multiple near misses while we were trying to do this. is a big deal. If they cancel that training mission, that means the people that are deployed since you have to be there longer, they have to wait longer. So there's a lot of downstream effects. So pretty big deal to even consider canceling a training

a training our training mission like this. So again, we, you know, we filed it up. We didn't know what else to do with it. And we went back to our training and left on deployment. In 2017, a New York Times article came out.

I was now an instructor pilot in Mississippi and for the Navy still. And on front page of New York Times, lo and behold, there are the video that Gimble and the GoFast with the pilots audio on there that we've heard now. And I'm like, holy shit, you know, like this is still going on, massive deja vu, as you might imagine. And I saw that as like a cry for help, essentially, that these videos now have been somewhat smuggled out. They're on the front page in New York Times.

Do we know how the gimbal or the Go Fast videos got leaked? My understanding is that work was done partially with Lou Elizando and Chris Mellon. So there was two videos that were attached, right? So when you record in the jet, it records two screens. Can we show those, Jamie? Show those videos. So it records these two screens, right? And the bottom screen is like a God's eye view with all your radar data.

And the right one is your Fleer system. And when you watch that in the briefing room after, they're stitched together, like side by side. And that, you know, that's what I saw. And that's how I built my understanding of this situation. There it is. So with the crosshairs, is that they're trying to lock in on it? So now they've locked in on it, right? Yeah, they weren't able to gain a lock in their air-to-air mode. So they actually had to degrade down to an air to surface mode,

kind of a manual locking mode. And that's that box that you see. What is the difference? The air-to-air mode should essentially be looking exactly where the radar are dropping them off and should automatically lock on it. But in the method that you're seeing here, the pilot's manually slewing the sensor. This is kind of like a last-ditch effort to get it. And he's like restarting it.

And that's why the box keeps getting bigger and it's getting smaller, it's not capturing it. What would be the difficulty? Like, why is it difficult to lock on? We don't know. You know, one theory is that is because it's relatively close to the ground and there's a lot of background, right, to confuse the sensor. How far off the ocean is this supposed to be? It's somewhere around 10,000 feet or so. So it's really not that close.

So it's really not a great explanation. But, yeah, you can see him and try it there. Now, what do they estimate the size of this thing to be? I don't know if anyone has estimated a size, to be honest. It's hard, you know, from the pilot's perspective, they're not going to be able to make a real-time assessment of the size. Because how far above this thing are they? Well, they're about five miles away or so. Five miles.

Yeah, so you see that range 3.4 right there. That range is coming strictly from the ATFleer sensor itself. It's not a very reliable indicator of the range. That's what the radar is for. So although it says about 3.5, 4.5. and then ticks down. It's probably a little bit further way. What is that?

What is that? What is that? Stand for? R&G? Range. So the speed is, is that on there anywhere of how fast the thing's going? So you have 170 v.C right below the range. Uh-huh.

And that's indicating our relative velocity. And that's miles per hour or kilometers? Uh, it should be not. So it's probably like 180, 190 miles per hour. No heat signature. Well, there is a heat differential anyway. So right now we're in, we're in White Hut. So objects that are white are hutter objects in the background.

I've used infrared sun binoculars before. It's pretty cool. You can see like raccoons and shit. So that's showing us that it's cooler than the surrounding environment for whatever reason. Which is very bizarre. Yeah. It's moving 170 whatever miles an hour. Yeah.

And it's, just to be clear, the 170 doesn't represent it's like raw speed. This is the gimbal video, which is different. Yep. And this one, does it show the speed of this? No, I don't. And this is the one that rotates. Yes. And when we're looking at this signature,

when we're looking at the, does that represent something that's cooler than the outside area or hotter? Like, what does that represent? So this one's black hot. So this is showing us that it's hotter than the surrounding areas right now. And would this be similar to what you would see if you saw a jet that was flying? No. I mean, we've seen thousands of aircraft like that. But I mean, in terms of the signature that it gives off with the temperature,

or would you be able to see a visible means of propulsion that would be accentuated? Yeah, you would see the exhaust coming out of the back. You'd be able to see the skin of the aircraft itself. So the sensor is not great, but it's good enough where you can break out some pretty good detail on a jet. I mean, it looks. I want to pause here for a second because, we get to get to a couple of things they've been saying. I think this is all very important.

And as he talks about in 2013, they upgraded their radar systems. And then they started seeing them and even seeing these objects supersonic. Right. So some of what we're talking about here is like 170, 180 knots two miles per hour. So if it's like 170 knots, you're looking at probably 190 miles per hour. So you can think about how fast that's going as far as car speed, right? Or ground speed, as was known in aviation. But then, you know, a lot of the.

these missile systems could not lock on to these things, right? And when they were operating off the Virginia coast, which is where Ryan Graves was, you know, they had five near misses just in this month time span. So then when they started doing their pro or their pre deployment workup, when they went to Florida from Virginia, this was in 2015. He said they had these things showing up then. This is what we talked about earlier in the show. And he said specifically here, they either followed us or they were already there, which

they do not 100% know. And so that's when you started getting these actual visual sightings from the pilots, whether they were Tic Tac or solid orbs. They were not all these spheres with a, you know, like a kind of, I guess what you would call a clear ball-like structure. Right. With a cube, black cube on the inside, which is what they saw over Virginia. When they went to Florida, though, they started to actually seeing more visual sightings

of these things, more solid orbs, more. these tick-tac shapes. Kind of like what you see in Manchester at the airport. Yeah, Manchester, off the coast of California, you name it. And then in two, like you said, 2017, New York Times go fast video. And the gimbal video came out in help, by the way, from Lou Alessando and Chris Mellon. And I find it interesting because obviously the UFO community has come out pretty hard against Lou Alizando. I know.

Now, there is a lot of people that believe Lou Alizando and a lot of what he has come out with. then Chris Mellon also, Chris Mellon, I believe was, if I'm not mistaken, was during Obama's term. I think he was a defense secretary or whoever. And I know Ashton Forbes got into it back and forth with Chris Mellon actually recently. And Chris Mellon literally sent like a book response to Ashton. And then blocked him, I think. And then blocked him, yeah. And then Ashton actually got into a X space with Chris Mellon's son.

I can't remember what Sean Mellon or whatever. Yeah, I remember you telling me. And so then they were supposed to debate, right? And then, you know, basically they kicked Ashton out of the space because I guess- Ashton was probably winning. I don't know. I'm not sure 100% about that. But nonetheless, we have to just keep in mind that Lou Alessandro and Chris Mellon were

two of the people that kind of broke these videos. Right. Now, obviously on Ashen's side, if you think about Lou Alessando and Chris Mellon, they're trying to push the UFO narrative, the UAP narrative, right? and you have people like Ashton that is kind of on the forefront of trying to push the advanced technology side of this. And you look at this and whereas you do definitely have people against Lou Alizando and Chris Mellon. And a lot of those people also could be contributed or attributed to Ashton Forbes and all of his research about a lot of what we're seeing in the skies are advanced technology. But I just got to say, guys, I don't think that all the stuff our pilots have been seen.

And this is not just pilots that were pilots in F-18s. I think it's all pilots. From 2015. Yeah, but we even go back to World War II. We go back to 1955 UFOs over Washington, D.C. There's an actual video. It's a real video you guys can go look up. I think it's 1955.

UFOs are orbs over the Capitol or over the White House. If you go look that up, that's an actual video that was recorded. And these are lights moving in very strange ways. No way that we could have had that technology in 1955. Well, and just think about the foo fighters, for example. Food fighters in World War II as well. Then you got to think about also the Roswell incident. You got to think in the 40s.

You got to think about the 1930. I think the 1930s, actually, if I'm not mistaken, was the lights or the UFOs over Los Angeles. Yeah, over California. Or the battle of Los Angeles. You had also various other sightings and weird, strange occurrences in the 1930s. But, Chad, you know, it's crazy. crazy about all these sightings, to me, most of them are over water. Well, some of them, or near water at the very least, right?

Yeah. I think water has something to do with something. And that's my new theory. Yeah, I love, of course. Because, you know, we think about. It's not really a new theory. We've talked about that so many times. Oh, yeah, we have.

But we just, you know, you think about how much of space we have observed and scientifically investigated where we can't do that with our oceans. Like 10% of our oceans we've enjoyed. Well, I think we can. I just don't know why we're not, right? I mean, most people don't realize that NASA was actually created to investigate the oceans. It wasn't actually ever created to investigate the space. That is a reality. And then they quickly change that not long after. I think it was like a year after. Because they probably figured out they couldn't do it. Well, it's not that we can't do it. It's that why are we not doing it? Right. That's the bigger question. Why are we not? Because you even think

about those islands off of California that you did that awesome presentation about. Yeah. Catalina Island where it's like an underground water station of some sort. Yeah. Yeah, I did a presentation on that on our substack. It's like an hour video. I need to actually go get that video. It's really good.

I need to go get that video and put it on our X. Guys, be looking for that video. I'm going to go download that video and put it on X because we kind of highlighted this, this very strange anomaly off of the coast of Malibu. It was actually in between Malibu. and Catalina Island. And if you know anything about that specific region off the California coast, this is also one of the most heavily reported siding areas in the United States for UFO and UAP activity.

And if you look at this, what appears to be like an underground base of some sort or almost seems like a man-made type base under the water. And I think I did some measurements on this video. I don't even know how deep this was, but it was pretty freaking deep. But if you look at that, I mean, there's something else going on, right? And I don't know exactly what this is is going on. We don't know for sure whether or not the drones are looking for nuclear material. I don't think that's the case.

I don't think the drones are even just doing random basic exercises. If I had to make a guess, if you really want to go down the UFO conspiracy rabbit hole in this, you got to listen to this dude, right? He's a military drone expert. And he says that we are seeing two types of drones right now in the sky. And this is what he had to say. I think this is important. Very short clip.

And then we'll elaborate. Making this video because I have figured out what the drone situation is. I was in the Army active duty. I worked on drones. I was a maintenance NCO for some surveillance drones. And before that, I worked on the Apache, the Kiowa. I know aviation. So what people are not noticing is that you have two.

two separate types of drones and two separate types of things in the air right now. First off, the drones that you see with flight lights or anti-collision lights or the things that the FAA requires, those are drones that are probably operated by the United States government. Now, the orbs that you've been seeing on the internet, that is the reason why all those drones are up there. And that is also why the government isn't telling you what's going on. And that's because the drones that you see that look like regular aircraft, those drones are up there to get some information on the actual orbs, which are actually the UFOs. All right. So that's his point.

This guy worked in the Army. He worked on drones, helicopters, a little bit of everything. And this has been kind of my thinking all along. And I got to be honest with you. And I know it sounds kind of crazy. But let me just explain my thought process on this. we have had orbs and reportings of orbs in our skies for very heavily, by the way, in mainstream media, especially over the past like five to seven years, I would say.

Five to seven years, things have really started to change, just not just the interaction and communication between people on social media, especially since Elon Musk took over X, but you also got to think about mainstream media's take on UFOs and UAPs. You've got to think about these task forces that have been created, tip and the various others in the U.S. government. You got to think about all of the whistleblowers that are coming forward and saying, we have non-human biologics, literally going in front of Congress, there's David Grush, where he comes

on and says, I know, and this is under penalty or perjury of law, what I'm telling you right now is that I know that we have non-human biologics. Obviously, there's people that are going to be out there and say, well, this is just what the government is sending him there to say to cover for their advanced technology. I don't believe that. If you are the U.S. government or you are, I mean, I understand that our, some of our weapon systems and all that have to be classified for reasons such as that our adversaries cannot get that technology or cannot figure out or reverse engineer what we potentially have. But even with the UFO story and how the UFOs move and all that stuff, it would seem like maybe the government would want you to believe, I guess, potentially, that would be more UFOs than advanced technology. but the weird thing is, is that I still always go back to this.

A lot of the orbs and a lot of these lights in the sky that we see. I'm not talking about the drones over New Jersey with the red and greens and the anti-collision slash nav lights slash strobes. We're not talking about those. We're talking about the lights we have seen for years. We're talking about a thing that was just recorded over Arizona the other day. We're talking about the things that have been recorded off the east coast of the United States that many people have seen, that commercial fishermen have recorded, that even, these ship captains from these very large vessels that are coming over from either Africa or Europe that are coming to the United States have recorded things like this.

We see these orbs. We see these balls of light that move at breakneck speeds that encounter fighter jets to where it makes fighter jets look like they're standing still to where these things like Commander David Fravor when he talks about his experience and their entire squadrons experienced, by the way. That was the USS Nimitz that they were operating off of off the coast of San Diego where they encountered this thing that was apparently interacting with some type of what it's kind of like he said. Only thing I can really say is maybe just like a mothership they were interacting with. And it was underwater, wasn't it? Underwater, yeah. And then once it realized

these fighter jets were there, it realized they were there. And it was almost like you knew that they knew you were there. And then it's disappeared. Right. And when it was, When it disappeared, it's not like it turned its lights off or something. It disappeared. And then the USS Nimitz saw it 600 miles away about three seconds later. Yeah. And that was crazy. I don't think we have that type of technology.

I don't either, even if it's a drone or anything else. But I still always go back to the point of we've seen these lights at the very least, just in our mainstream media reporting and recording history at the very least since the 1930s. And this is this would mean that if. we were seeing these things in the 30s, that we've had advanced technology. This is almost 100 years. And then even in the 1800s,

there were various newspaper recordings and various accounts of people, even Indians that saw things like this. They even talked about shapeshifters, skin walkers, various lights in the sky, these portals, they would say, or these orbs that were in the sky. To this day, you can go talk to Navajo tribes

and various other tribes across the United States that saw these in their ancestral history throughout their lineage and everything they've ever known. You get back to biblical days, Ezekiel's will, but not just Ezekiel. I often think about so many of these encounters in the Bible, the things that people thought were so divine. And I'm not saying this, I'm not, I'm not saying anti-Christians here. I'm just telling you that there are various, various historical text that talk about very strange things in the sky that happen that are just beyond their belief.

And especially back before they ever had any type of modern technology. And you think about hieroglyphs, you think about the petroglyphs all across the world, you think about even the pyramids, who potentially helped the Egyptians build the pyramids. We talked about that with Neeland on that AI episode, which you guys should go listen to. I think that we're getting to a fever pitch. I think that something is about to happen big. I think there is something that is about to cross the plan. plane of reality.

So do you think that these drones are chasing the UAPs and trying to figure out what they are? Is that what you're kind of saying or no? I think so, yeah. I mean, I think so. And, you know, we are, we are highlighting so much over New Jersey. But you have to understand that these things are, they literally just closed down right Patterson Air Force Base the other day.

They've been over Picotany Arsenal. They've been over various military bases across the United States. And it's not just the United States. we've had them in the UK. We've had them all around the world that are closing down military bases and air spaces all the time. And in particular, they are closing down spaces next or near to nuclear facilities or nuclear silos. And we have had these encounters since we have had nuclear weapons from the very onset of nuclear weapons. We actually started seeing a more heavily detailed reporting of UAPs and UFF.

foes after our first nuclear test that actually went off. This was, you know, kind of during the Oppenheimer days, that's when we started seeing these things start to appear on a very heavy basis across not only the United States, but all, you know, all over the world, really. So let me ask you a question. Why would we want to put drones versus aircraft? Is it because drones can maneuver better or because they're not manned? Yeah, number one, they're not manned.

Yeah. I mean, number one, they're not manned. And number two, you could probably put. put very complex systems on these drones. You don't have any, you know, there's no life at danger because no one is piloting these things inside of the United States. I mean, I don't think they're looking for nuclear material. No, I don't either.

There's so much it doesn't make sense. No. And also very interesting thing about it is, is that these drones are starting to show up. I've seen various videos. I've researched the hell out of this. So many of you have sent us videos to where you'll send us videos, you know, say, here is a, here's a drone. It looks very much like a drum, flying like a drone. It's not moving like an airplane. It's kind of hanging out here and it's moving kind of in this direction and it stops there.

Obviously, not a drone. Obviously not a helicopter. And then also very similarly to that soon after or near the same sighting of a drone, there will be an orb or vice versa, right? You'll see the orb first. Then you'll see some type of drone thing in the sky nearby. And that makes sense because like just two years ago, we were seeing aircraft. Yeah. Fighter jets. Yeah, fighter just. Yeah, fighter jets would often chase these things. I mean, even in our experience, and what we saw when we had saw these orbs over our house,

it looked like, and when I say orbs over our house, I'm not talking about 10,000 feet. These things looked like they were probably 50,000 or if not maybe, you know. In space almost. Yeah, but they weren't in space because then we started seeing these jets, these,

uh, you could, you could not even hear these jets. They were so high. They were not on flight radar, but you saw an obvious red light that was blinking on them, which usually in, indicates to me a fighter jet.

Often fighter jets, if you see anything blinking on them, it'll be a red light, very distinctive. And then oftentimes also you will see a green light. Now, the difference in a red and green light on fighter jets versus a red and green light on drones, very distinctive. And aircraft, like normal aircraft. And aircraft is you'll have a red and green on each wing. Fighter jets, you typically have these red and green lights.

You'll have a strobe light, and then you'll have a green. It's almost like a glowing green. It doesn't necessarily blink as much, but it does kind of blink. And it's more of almost a military green than a Christmas green, if that makes any sense. And it'll typically also align with that red light, usually on the tail. And that green light will be somewhere right underneath the jet. So it'll align with it. It looks very similar.

If I see a fighter jet in the sky without hearing it, without anything else, I can tell by the lights. And I think there's an obvious difference between drones. aircrafts and orbs. Yeah, I mean, orbs do not have blinking lights. You know, we have seen instances, right? I also think off the USS Nimitz,

this was when they had those triangle type things that were showing up over their aircraft carrier. And there were like a fleet of them. And they did appear to have some type of blinking lights. We don't know because it looked like night vision or something. We were looking through this on the camera. And you guys can look at that. I think it's the USS Nimitz,

like triangle UFOs. Just go look it up. These things did have some type of blinking light and almost looked like they were kind of in the clouds. In my opinion, more than likely, that was that particular design. If you kind of study and look at it, you can go and look.

There are designs of U.S. military secretive aircraft that look very similar to this, right? So there are things definitely like that, very similarly to like the B2 bomber, the SR 71 Blackbird, all of these platforms at one point in, time we're very secretive until they were eventually, you know, put out into the public. But I'm talking about these orbs.

We're talking about these things that are flying, hovering over people's houses. Disappearing, moving fast, going different directions. They're not anything like a drone. Abducting people. Yes. I mean, let's also think about this. There has been so many occurrences. And I'm talking about credible, credible accounts of potentially people being abducted by

these things. Now, obviously, number one, Travis Walton. you had the book Fire in the Sky. I think it was a book and a movie. But then also, I go back to this again, you have these military reports of people that have encountered these orbs either in or near military basis or in wartime scenarios or wherever the case may be. And they were either brain damage for life or some of them died.

Yeah. Yeah, their families were suing. Well, they were suing the U.S. government, but then they got nothing from it. they had an experience that was unearthly, right? And these were military members that just came within a certain distance of these craft that screwed them for life. And the military refused to pay for most of their medical because of what their story was of how they either died or had traumatic brain injuries.

I mean, Tucker Carlson explained that very deeply. But weren't they saying it was a lot to do with radiation? Yeah, radiation poison or something. Yeah, I mean, it completely almost like scrambled or fried their brain. And it even goes back to like Havana syndrome, Havana syndrome, which is we're seeing all the time now, where either members of the FBI, CIA, especially intelligence agencies, or, you know, they are going to their hotel rooms in a certain place or wherever it is. And then all of a sudden they wake up and they can't walk straight.

They can't think straight. They have been in some way, shape, or form directly microwaved, right? And this is very high radiation signals towards a particular person. And it's almost like you have weaponry that can shoot a weapon or a gun at someone in their direction and like scramble their brain with radiation. I mean, this is a direct microwave weapon. And so when we think about like craft or orbs or any of this stuff, we do know like if you don't have any obvious signs of propulsion and all of the theories based on how you would actually operate a craft like that. whether it be gravitational waves or whatever. All of that's going to create gravity around it,

which is also then going to create radiation. And that is when you have probably intense radiation spikes near that craft. Travis Walton even talked about where he was abducted in all of his story, in his story in the book and all that, where that actual craft came down that he lost seven days of his life. There's nothing growing there. The tree's dead where that thing came down. But also, there's even supposedly people around some of these things that are happening right now that are losing time.

Even in the New Jersey drone cases, where they're saying that I've lost, I feel like we lost two hours of our time. We have FBI agents and mayors and all these people saying that they are speaking out about some of these things. And then they are followed home by these drones of whatever they are. and they are hovering over their houses. So I don't know what the hell is going on with the drones. All I'm saying is is that I think, if anything, if my most best case scenario, I say best case scenario, but maybe these things are in our skies to try to investigate UAPs and UFOs

that we have been steadily on the incline of reporting across the country, especially over our military bases. And, you know, if you think about some, Some of the videos we've seen over New Jersey. Not all of these are red and green lights. Some of these definitely look like orbs. Oh, yeah. And in particular over Picotany, Arsenal, which also just happens to be supplying weapons to Ukraine primarily.

But, you know, what does this all mean? I don't know. Well, I think my theory was right two podcasts ago. I think it's all of them. I think it's orbs. I think it's drones. And I think it's aircraft that people are seeing. Yeah.

So I just didn't get into the theory like you did. you're saying that the drones are following the orbs. I think so. That's what I think, because it's not just drones showing up in New Jersey, is showing up in Arizona. They're showing up now the drones. And it's interesting because the drone incursions have started happening more often. But as you start actually going down the rabbit hole of some of these reports from military

members or people on bases, they'll say they'll start seeing these orbs first, and then there's a drone incursion to where you have the red and green light. So it's like these drones are starting to. be deployed potentially for the interdiction of these orbs. And so when these bulletins go out from especially New Jersey State Police or whoever it says when you get near these drones, do not, yeah, do not do this. Call the bomb squad. Do this, do that.

Your radio communication devices may also disconnect or not work. And the reason I say that is because whatever maybe they're using or however they're using these drones to try to detect or figure out these orbs, they got. You got to have advanced technology on them to be able to. Maybe they're trying to pull them or or kind of attract them almost like bait. Maybe. And that comes to my next question. You know, I think it was last week where a bunch of people said there was a drone that actually crashed beyond some power plant.

And then when they all went and to go find them, there was nothing there. What the heck is that? Yeah. I mean, there was, I think there was like someone was looking at in their backyard. Well, no, there was a nuclear power plant. of people that saw that crash. Yeah. Well, there's been a lot of crash or potential crashes just over to past

a couple weeks. And then when people show up or there's nothing there. Nothing's there. And we were even on the scanner app last night and I was letting Sherry listen to this. The amount of reporting of drones across the country. It's so funny how they come about it. Like, these people are crazy, but they're not. Yeah.

I mean, there are people all across the country reporting drones on the scanner radio. So if you go download the scanner radio and then go to like the highlight section, you can just scroll through all the biggest highlights. I mean, you'll have obviously like the Madison, Wisconsin School shooting, but then you have tons of drone reports. And it's just people from everywhere, California, Oregon, Texas, you name it. And they're calling on one saying, hey, we got like four drones here. We got this here.

We got this year. They're hovering in this area. They're hovering in this area. This is definitely a big thing, guys. And we wanted to kind of close this off with like just kind of our overall thoughts on everything, we're going to move on until something else happens, right? And we get a lot to talk about because, you know, California now is declaring a state of emergency for bird flu.

And you also have the Venezuelan gangs that have taken over most cities in America in some way, shape, or form. I mean, you have just yesterday a representative from Tennessee saying that Venezuelan gangs are in every major city in Tennessee. We're talking about Knoxville, Chattanooga, Nashville, Memphis. they're in all those cities and they're operating sex trafficking, human trafficking, drug trafficking, you name it. And pulling people's nails off.

Yeah. And that's in Colorado and probably other places as well. But guys, that's going to do it for us on this episode. Let us know what you think about this drone situation. And like I said, we welcome any videos that you guys have. The best thing I can tell you guys to do is that if you do record a video of a drone, please, God, try to keep your camera still. and somewhat focused, right?

And because it's hard to know if people are moving their cameras around all the time, how the actual craft is moving, how it isn't. Move very, very slowly when you're recording these things. And if you can, as you're recording them, tap on where they are on your screen at the same time. So you can keep a focus on these drones. Even at night, they will somewhat focus on them. But at least that way you can see the lighting, how they're moving.

But you have to keep it as still as possible because otherwise, a lot of that stuff's not incredible. People don't care because they can just say, well, it's because the way he's moving the camera or whatever. Try to keep it as still as possible. Also try to keep it focused. And guys, we love you. And we'll be back very, very soon.

Hopefully tomorrow. Tomorrow or Friday, yeah, for sure. But guys, till next time, peace out. The name of this song is State of Dysopia of Men and Wolves featuring Red Revision. See you, guys. Peace out, guys.