Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Epstein Didn’t Kill Himself? Why Trump, Patel & Bongino Are Backing the DOJ’s Story

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

Tonight we dive into the shocking stance from Trump’s inner circle on Jeffrey Epstein’s death — and the missing client list. Despite years of skepticism and calls for answers, Donald Trump, Kash Patel, and Dan Bongino are now echoing the official DOJ narrative: that Epstein did, in fact, kill himself, and no client list exists. Is this just political spin, or part of a much bigger cover‑up? We break down the latest DOJ memo, why Trump’s allies seem to be falling in line, and what this means for those still demanding the truth about Epstein’s network. We ask the tough questions: Why is Trump backing the DOJ on Epstein? Who benefits from keeping the client list buried? And does this signal that even the outsiders we trusted are protecting the powerful?Check out our merchandise store: https://investigateearthstore.com

Take my hand if you're tired to say, feel the right. Hello and welcome to Investigator with Podcast. I'm your host, Shot, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Tonight, we have to talk about something that feels like a bad rerun. Only this time is starring some people we didn't expect. The official word coming out of Trump world, yes, even Trump himself, Cash Patel, and Dan Bongino, is that Jeffrey Epstein did in fact kill himself. And oh, by the way, there's no client list to see here either.

Case closed, nothing to investigate. And if you're scratching her head right now, wondering how the supposed outsiders are suddenly echoing the same narrative we've heard for years from the DOJ and mainstream media. You're not alone. So tonight we're going to dig into what they said, why they're saying it, and who really benefits when the most powerful blackmail operation of our time conveniently fades into the memory hole. Because let me tell you, something here still stinks and no press conference or soundbite is going to change that. Guys, welcome to the show. It is July the 10th, 2025.

The name of the song is Supernova by Hallman and Gamma Skies. Definitely an aggressive song, that's for sure. We need an aggressive song for this episode. We do. Because we feel aggressive. We feel so aggressive that Chad even took off his Trump bracelet because he's so mad about the Epstein files. Well, I am a little pissed off about this, to be honest with you guys.

And listen, there's been a lot of people reaching out saying, hey, when are you guys covering this? Are you guys going to cover this? You know, there's been a lot of you that don't understand why we've not covered it yet. But we've just been trying to hang back and see how things have played out of. over the past few days. And obviously with all the backlash coming from, or I guess by the people to the Trump administration, especially after the recent press conference, which we're going to play in

just a moment, where Trump answers a question by the media because just so happens now that Trump and his administration's in, all of a sudden the media cares so much about Epstein and his client list and all this stuff. And is this weird? It's kind of convenient now that the media really cares now. But yet when the Biden-Harris administration was there, no one cared, no one talked about it. They never ask questions to the Biden Harris administration, but they are all over the Trump admin and all over their ass.

Now, it could be a convenient play, actually, and I've thought about this. And we'll get into that, right? I mean, should we blame Trump in his administration? Or is there something that we're just not being told? Is there stuff going on in the background that we don't know about? Is this some major play on the Trump administration to kind of do things in the background, get things rolling? Because, listen, a lot of the hardcore Trump supporters, that's all they're saying. Trump has a plan.

just trust the plan he's doing all this stuff in the background we've heard this for years from especially the qanon uh groups and and and you know chats and whatever but i don't necessarily know that's the case well i do know that he blew up when he was asked about the epstein questions during the flood victims conference but i guess it was a roundtable about more than just the flood victims but he did blow up and i think that is blowing up in his face right now because he blew up yeah Well, it's also very interesting where James Comey and Brennan are now being, or Brandon, well, Bannon, I think is his name, whoever his name is. Yeah, now the DOJ has opened up this big investigation into them.

And so it's almost like they're starting to try to do things, push to the media to get this thing to quiet down. Because the reality of this is at least half the Trump supporters that voted for Trump, a lot of them voted for Trump and the administration based on the things like Cash Vettel, Dan Bonjino, even Christy Knoem, all of them said day one, we're going to make sure that we get to the bottom of the Epstein deal. We're going to release the client list. We're going to release the names of the people, the piece of shit that did this to these little kids.

And yet now it's like they're trying to backpedal. They're trying to do anything to get away from the topic of the Epstein client list and anything about Epstein. And no one is buying it. And it was really funny because even when Pam Bondi was coming out and she was trying to backpedal about the files on her desk. She had to go back and try to make something up saying, this is what I was meaning by this,

but this is what it really is. It's all a bunch of pedophile videos. It's not necessarily the people that were on the island. He just had disgusting videos there, but it wasn't showing the people on the island having sex with children of underage. Yeah, which is all BS. I mean, I don't believe any of that. There's a lot of people that kind of are close to the source.

that know about the Epstein deal. Obviously, when they raided Epstein Island and his other places, especially Epstein Island, the FBI carried out boxes and boxes and boxes of video. Now, we know for sure that Epstein was used as a blackmail agent by likely an intelligence agency, whether it was CIA, Mossad, or both. And we also know that he had contact and potentially was some type of undercover asset for the FBI as well because there were communications that were proven about that. There were emails that were leaked to where he said, I think he was like, yeah, I got it done.

The FBI handler at that point said, okay, cool, it's done. Good to go. So we know he for sure had some type of connection to the FBI, likely connection to Mossad. Obviously, Gislane Maxwell, which is, which was Jeffrey Epstein's Madame. She was one of the main women, it seems like, that kind of coerced or made the girls feel comfortable when they would come in. She was what many would call a recruiter. she was someone that kind of, I guess you can say, groomed a lot of these girls into getting

into the position of, you know, where they were going to be able to utilize these young girls for the blackmail operations on a lot of the very powerful politicians and celebrities. And, you know, we also know Gislane's father was a Mossad agent. And we know that he was heavy in Mossad. We also know that he had connections to the CIA. And so all of this stuff, there's just no way. way that this thing just disappears. He did kill himself, nothing to see here, no client list. And it's like Bondi and Cash and Bongino keeps saying, well, listen, we're not going to release

videos of people having sex with little kids. That's not what we have, that's not what anybody is asking. People want to know who it is that is having sex with the little girls. Yeah. That's what we want to know. And why can't they blur out the faces or something? Well, it doesn't matter. You don't want to see any of that. The point is, is that we don't have to see the videos. I mean, they can need to know who they are. We need to know who they are. We need to prosecute every single one of them. And all they got to do is utilize the video in court for that prosecution. It's just essentially like, well, just Lane Maxwell is sitting in prison right now for sex trafficking to no one. I mean, she was she was the fall girl. But yet, who was she trafficking to? Who was Epstein trafficking

to? And we're never going to know. And that's pretty obvious because now we've been through the, the Democrat side. They weren't going to release anything. And now the Republican side. side. And the Republican side just so happens to be being pressed so hard by this or by the media on this. And it's just interesting how they are starting to get pissed off at the question even being asked anymore. They're having to go on mainstream media constantly because of all the backlash and continually what I believe lied to the American people about the fact that, look, we saw the video. We know he killed himself. There's no question about it. There is no client list. There is no, none of this, blah, blah, blah.

And how many of you actually think that he killed himself? To this day, I would probably put up a million dollars to say that he was killed, that he did not kill himself. And now new pictures are going all over social media where they have this picture of the dead Epstein in jail. And then they have pictures of the alive Epstein. And they're comparing the noses and the noses. And they don't look anything like him. could they have placed somebody else or made a look-alike or an even AI person to be Jeffrey Epstein?

Maybe he's not even dead at all. Yeah, well, that's an absolute possibility. There's a lot of people to believe Epstein is not dead. They believe he went somewhere else. He went into some type of witness protection or, you know, what I would call deep state protection. You have to think, you know, if they got Epstein in this position and used him as a operation guy for blackmail, you know, they could kill him and they could kill him pretty easily. And to me, it's like, but would they?

And especially if they knew that maybe he had a dead man switch or that he had a lot of info somewhere that they don't know where it is, where if in the event that he died, that a lot of stuff would come out about who put him up to this, so on and so forth. So he may actually still be alive somewhere. But we do know for a fact that we've seen on camera, the FBI going in there and taking boxes and boxes of everything from camera surveillance to tapes to everything else. We see this on video. So we know it's there.

It's just they will not release it. And, you know, could Elon Musk be right? Was Trump's name on that list? And they're trying to prevent Trump from being seen as on the list. I don't know. We definitely know that Trump was on the flight log maybe one or one or two times. But we also know that at one point in time, Epstein, was at Mar-a-Lago.

Allegedly he was banned from Mar-a-Lago because Trump had a bad feeling about him is what we've heard anyway. But we also have Mark Epstein that just recently went on Pierce Morgan. And it's very interesting the accusations that he is making about his brother's death. And we'll play that in just a little bit. It's a quick interview. But before we get into any of that, I do want to go ahead and tell you guys to follow us on all of our social media, X, Instagram, Facebook.

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other day that sparked a lot of controversy when Trump was asked about the Epstein list. It left some lingering mysteries. One of the biggest ones is whether he ever worked for a American or foreign intelligence agency, the former Labor Secretary who was Miami U.S. Attorney Alex Costa, he allegedly said that he did work for an intelligence agency. So could you resolve whether or not he did? And also, could you say why there was a minute missing from the jailhouse tape? On the day and a second.

Yeah, sure. If I could. Did I just enter for a little second? Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years. You're asking, we have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things. And are people still talking about this guy, this creep? That is unbelievable.

Do you want to waste the time? Do you feel like answering? I don't mind answering. I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on Epstein at a time like this where with having some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what happened in Texas. It just seems like a desecration. I want to stop just for a second because, I mean, Trump, you have to understand. Of course people are asking about it.

And yes, I understand the mainstream media is blowing you guys up over the Epstein thing. But it is something that almost everyone in your cabinet promised the people that on day one, they would make sure that they had and released these files. Cash Mattel had went on tons of. podcast talking about it. We have featured videos of Cash Patel saying that prior to Trump being elected. So there's no question that your supporters have been, this is one of the main reasons. A lot of people actually voted for the Trump administration. They felt like, hey, if we get Trump in, we're finally going to have answers to this. And why is it important? Well, it's because we know,

likely that most all of these people that were having sex with young girls are high ranking politicians and celebrities. We already know that there's like this evil cult. is in Hollywood. We think this also in politics. And now you're basically, you know, kind of lashing back at reporters. Right. But how your supporters feel is that you're lashing back at them because your supporters are the ones that desperately want this information out.

They want people held accountable because so many people, obviously, for good reason, has lost trust in our government. And it's yet again, it's like now someone you thought was going to restore trust. trust and restore somewhat of and transparency. It's like now you, it's like a stab in your heart. And to be honest, it's kind of depressed me for the past couple of days. You know, especially with what we do and, and we've been talking about the Epstein thing

for years now. And we voted for Trump because of the same reason. We're like, hey, at least we're going to get some type of transparency. We're going to make sure that all of these people are held accountable. And now it's like they're completely doing a 180. Instead, he's like, you know, pardoning rappers out of prison and doing all this crazy bullshit, but not actually holding anyone accountable except for now. They have an open investigation in the Comey because of the Russia hoax or the Russian investigation.

You know what will really get me is if he p. Diddy. Oh, well, he better not right now. Because, I mean, people have asked him about that. And he's like, I don't know. I'm not sure. But we used to be really close and tight and stuff. But, you know, when I was going through the election the second time, we could. kind of lost friendship a little bit, but I would consider looking at his files.

Yeah, it's nuts. I mean, and this is what's crazy to me is like Trump, this shit is not going away. I'm sorry. People want answers. And the more that you try to get away from it, the more people want answers. Yeah, absolutely. And it's not going to go away. Yeah.

And by the way, right before Pan Bonnie answers this question in just a minute, for those that don't know what the reporter actually asked, there was multiple questions. But one of the questions was, can you tell me why there is a minute missing from the jailhouse video? So they released a jailhouse video that's about five or six minutes. I believe. Well, there was 11 hours or something. I know. But it's compressed into five or six minutes.

It's sped up a hundred times. So there is a minute missing, though. And there's been a lot of people out there that say, hey, I've worked with CCTV before. I've worked in jails before and prisons. There's been people that have come out of the woodwork and saying, hey, I've worked with these cameras. There should not be a minute missing. There's no reason there should be a minute missing. But I'll also tell everyone, it's like, this video proves nothing.

It doesn't show anything. Actually, it shows potentially that one of the doors we're actually looking at is a janitor's closet. Because there's literally a janitor that goes in a closet and comes back out. And that's supposedly where Jeffrey Epstein's room is. But then if you actually look at a map, which will play a video in just a little bit, you're not going to be able to see the map. But on Glenn Beck's show, he talks. about this with one of his researchers on the show.

And they actually went and got a map of this exact prison where the cameras look, how they look in what direction. And I don't even think that that video is even pointing to Jeffrey Epstein's cell. So it's just like they're trying to play us like a bunch of morons. Exactly. And I think that's what people are getting pissed off about. And I think too also when somebody's on suicide watch, are they not on watch 24-7 no matter what? and then we have to go back and we have to look at the guards and who signed off where because

all those logs are missing. Yeah. And now all the stories are changing. Yeah. The logs are missing. The camera just so happened to not be working because that was what we were told before. Yes. We were told before that the video footage they can't find or it wasn't working at the time.

There was all these things. And now all of a sudden they have a video. They supposedly have logs. All the prisoners were doing what they were supposed to be doing. And this is the Trump administration that came out and said this. So at one point time, the Biden Harris administration said, look, we know that the logs are missing. We know that the cameras potentially weren't working around this time conveniently. And then all of a sudden you have a camera.

It's just complete horseshit. But she's about to answer some BS answer to why there is a minute missing in this footage. And I don't really think it matters, whether it is a minute missing or not. The fact is, if you don't think the government can, you know, edit a very video. video to make it look like it is a full length 11 hour, 24 hour video, whatever in five minutes. And they wouldn't cut out apart and just put the timestamps over it. That's ridiculous. But they want people to believe whatever it is.

So here you go. Here's her answer. Go ahead. Sure. Sure. First, to back up on that. In February, I did an interview on Fox. And it's been getting a lot of attention because I said, I was asked a question about the client

list. And my response was, it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed, meaning the file along with the JFK, MLK files as well. That's what I meant by that. Also, to the tens of thousands of video, they turned out to be child porn downloaded by that disgusting Jeffrey Epstein. Child porn is what they were. Never going to be released. Never going to see the lighted day. To him being an agent, I have no knowledge about that.

we can get back to you on that. And the minute missing from the video, we released the video showing definitively, the video was not conclusive, but the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suicide. And what was on that, there was a minute that was off the counter. And what we learned from Bureau of Prisons

was every year, every night. They redo that video. It's old from like 1999. So every night the video is reset and every night should have the same minute missing. So we're looking for that video to release that as well, showing that a minute is missing every night. Right. Anyways, I don't believe anything she's saying.

She sounds like a liar. And she's already lied multiple times anyway. This is Pam Bondi, obviously, attorney general. And you know what's funny is a lot of people are saying, man, if Matt Gates would have actually got in, then he, things would have been much different. And I think that's why. Maybe he would have had to do the same thing that. she's having to do.

Very possible. And maybe that's why he said, you know what? I'm just going to take my stuff and go and I'm going to go into political races other places. Yeah. It's absolute bad shit crazy. When you listen to Pam Bondi, it 100% sounds like complete horseshit. Now, we also have Peter Ducey, which Peter Ducey has been, you know, a huge reporter in the White House press room for many years, especially during the Biden-Harris administration.

he has asked a lot of tough questions to Keong John Pierre, whatever to her name is, King John Pierre. He has asked so many questions to her that were very tough and hard-hitting questions. And he's not done a lot of that with the Trump administration because he does work for Fox News. He has Steve Ducey's son, which Steve Ducey is on Fox and Friends in the morning on Fox. But he did recently ask Carolyn Levitt about the Epstein videos and files and whatever. And this is what Caroline Levy's. it had to say about that. Here you go.

Okay. So the FBI looks at the circumstances surrounding the debt of Jeffrey, Jeffrey Epstein. According to the report, this systematic review revealed no incriminating client list. So what happened to the Epstein client list that the attorney general said she had on her desk? Well, I think if you go back and look at what the attorney general said in that interview, which was on your network on Fox News, go ahead. John Roberts said, DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen? And she said, it's sitting on my desk right now to review. Yes, she was saying the entirety of all of the paperwork, all of the paper in relation to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes.

That's what the Attorney General was referring to, and I'll let her speak for that. But again, when it comes to the FBI and the Department of Justice, they are more than committed to ensuring that bad people are put behind bars. Caroline, the DOJ and FBI have now concluded there was no Jeffrey Epstein. client list. What do you tell MAGA's supporters who say they want anyone involved in Jeffrey Epstein's alleged crimes to be held accountable? This administration wants anyone who has ever committed a crime to be held accountable. And I would argue this administration has done more to lock up bad guys than certainly the previous administration. And the Trump administration is committed to truth

and to transparency. That's why the Attorney General and the FBI director pledged at the president's direction to do an exhaustive review of all of the files related to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes and his death. And they put out a memo in conclusion of that review. There was material they did not release because, frankly, it was incredibly graphic and it contained child pornography, which is not something that's appropriate for public consumption. But they committed to an exhaustive investigation. That's what they did. And they provided the results of that. That's transparent. Okay, so that's all there is, folks. Nothing to see here. Just he had a bunch of child porn. There was nothing else, you know, even though Gislane Maxwell was sitting in prison and for

sex trafficking to nobody, apparently. And then she's like, well, we're committed to locking up anyone that is committed to crime. Okay, well, where are the people that committed to crimes at Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile island? Where are they? It's not like you guys don't know who those people are. There's zero question about that. We've heard tons of people, like we said, from the inside, that know that they have a list. They also have video of Jeffrey Epstein and his people, his clients, that were performing sex acts with kids. And we have to remember at Epstein Island, he had cameras, more than one camera in every single room that was in that estate and outside cameras as well.

Yes, he had cameras a very, very elaborate and high-tech setup of cameras throughout the house. Very similar, by the way, to Diddy. Yeah. So Diddy had the exact same setup in most of his houses. And a lot of people believe that Diddy was also being used as some type. of blackmail force and yet you see that Diddy's about to get away with a lot of this stuff. Now, he may be charged with maybe one crime that may be facing 10 years or so.

And he might even get off of that. So there's some kind of deals that are working behind the scenes to make sure that, hey, all of the stuff, all the videos, like where's all the videos that Diddy had? Was it presented in court? I don't think it was. I don't think we ever saw or heard of any video presented in court that had anyone of any significance on those cameras. And we know for sure, like I said, that this is a massive cover-up that even the Trump

administration is doing. But I do want to say right now, this is when Pam Bondi went on Fox and she said that she had a truckload of Epstein files delivered to her. And she said that the public has a right to know. This was many months ago. And obviously now the public all of a sudden doesn't have a right to know. And so I want to play that quick. interview here. This is with Sean Hannity on Fox News. Let me get that pulled up. Here you go.

We all did. And the FBI handed over a couple hundred pages of documents. But, you know, Sean, I gave them a deadline of Friday at 8 a.m. to get us everything. And a source had told me where the documents were being kept. Southern District of New York, shock. So we got them all by hopefully all of them. Friday at 8 a.m., thousands of pages of documents. I have the FBI. going through them and cash is also, now that we have cash here, it's a game changer, of course, and cash is going to, Director Patel, is going to get us a detailed report as to why the FBI withheld all of those documents. Okay.

I want to be clear because I think people got frustrated because they were expecting more. You were expecting more, and you didn't find out less than 24 hours before the release, you got a whistleblower that confirmed that there were way more documents that they were supposed to turn over, and then you found out just before that. Well, sure. And you're looking at these documents going, these aren't all the Epstein files. You know, they were flight logs. They were names and victims' names. And we're going, where's the rest of the stuff? And that's what the FBI had turned over to us. And so a source said, whoa, all this evidence is sitting in the Southern District of New York.

So based on that, I gave them the deadline. Friday at 8, a truckload of evidence arrived. It's now in the possession of the FBI. Cash is going to get me and himself really a detailed report as to why all these documents and evidence had been withheld. And, you know, we're going to go through it, go through it as fast as we can, but go through it very cautiously to protect all the victims of Epstein because there are a lot of victims. Well, you had identified in phase one over 254. Okay. Now, is that the only thing that would be redacted? will everything else be made public that you get in your possession?

Yeah, the FBI hasn't had, obviously, they haven't looked at the thousands of pages of documents that they've just received Friday. But cash has a team going through them, and it's always about protecting the victim. But you know what? We believe in transparency, and America has the right to know. The Biden administration said on these documents, no one did anything with them, and why were they sitting in the Southern District of New York? I want a full report on that.

You know, sadly, these people don't believe in, transparency, but I think more, unfortunately, I think a lot of them don't believe in honesty, and it's a new day, it's a new administration, and everything's going to come out to the public. The public has a right to know. Americans have a right to know. And that goes the same with the JFK files. JFK, Martin Luther King, yep, absolutely. What are the things that, and maybe some people don't understand the need to redact, in the case of a victim, that should be pretty obvious to people.

What are the other things that maybe you would have to redact? Well, national security. No, of course, national security, some grand jury information, which is always going to be confidential. But we'll see. Let's look through them as fast as we can, get it out to the American people, because the American people have a right to know, not only on that, but on Kennedy, on Martin Luther King, on all of these cases that the Biden administration has just sat on for all these years. So, yeah, it's really, it's not sad. It's infuriating that these people thought that they could sit on this information, but they can't.

It's a new day, and we believe in transparency, and it's going to come out. And when we redact things, Sean, what we're going to do is not just pull pages out like they used to do. If something's redacted, you will know the line and you will know why it's redacted, the victim's name, identifying information of a victim. All right. So she says in the recent press conference with Trump that, And by the way, guys, all we found was just a bunch of child porn that he downloaded on his computer. But yet you literally just said that these files show multiple victims, 254 to be exact.

So what are you telling me here? Like, what are what is the truth? Because it's not the child porn that he downloaded. Those aren't considered victims. I mean, they are victims to somebody. Right. But that's not what you're talking about. You literally said that you had 254 victims on camera.

And now just the other day, you say, oh, everything. that he had was just downloaded child porn. What has happened here is that someone got to them or they actually got the files and they looked at them in the video and some of the people on these videos were like, oh shit, we can't release this. There's no way we can release this. Depending on who those people were, I don't know. But there's obviously something that they were like, wait, there's no way in hell we can

release this. Yeah. And I don't necessarily think is Trump number one. He could have been on there, but I just don't. I doubt it. See that? I think there is other people that they are trying to protect. But talking about victims, who is a victim in this? The main victim is now dead. And that is Virginia Dufree. Dufree. And she is now dead because of all this. And supposedly she committed suicide to. I don't believe that for a freaking minute. No. I mean, they said it was a bus accident. She wasn't

even injured. She was killed for some reason. She had some kind of evidence. and maybe the FBI and Pam Bondi are sitting on things and they didn't want stuff to get out. And she is like, you know what? The time has come. It's got to come out. And they prevented her from letting it come out and now she's dead. Yeah. And talking about all the other victims, but she was the forefront of the victims that were out there publishing

their names and saying, yes, I was one of these people. I was one of the main girls there. And now she's dead. Yeah. But she also knew a lot of her. information. She knew a lot more information than most people know. And I think that she had to sign something at some point in time saying she was not allowed to say anything else about anything based on, I guess she got some settlements and this and that. And then come to find out, she supposedly

gets in a accident with a bus and we actually saw pictures of that. They tried to make it out like she was so injured from this bus accident. She died a few days later. But every witness around the scene, the people on the bus, you name it, said it was a minor fender bend. She was completely fine. No injuries were involved in this accident whatsoever. And then a few days later, she, I think she takes a picture from her hospital room. She is all beaten and bruised. I mean, it looks like someone beat the hell out of her.

And then it wasn't very long after that. She ends up suicided because that's what they do. And it kind of makes me wonder, like, was she suicided? Because they knew what was about to happen. They knew that they were about to not release any information. And she was going to be a big voice that was going to go out there and say they're full of shit. And I was, I was there. I know this. There's no way you're going to freaking get me to be quiet about this. And they wanted to silence her before they came out to the public and said,

hey, there's nothing to see here. Yeah. And like you said, this happened before they have come out and said there was no files. And Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. Yeah. This is what they're saying. Like, how gollible do they think we are? Well, they think we're definitely goalable for sure. I want to play now, obviously, Dan Bonino. Dan Bonino is the deputy director of the FBI. This guy was someone that a lot of people trusted for many years. And I say was because even people that had watched his show for many years are starting not to trust Dan Bongino anymore.

And it's because of when on his show, he would have comments like this. And I'm going to play a quick excerpt from his show. This was a couple of years ago. This was obviously before he was deputy director of the FBI. And it's almost interesting how they brought in these people in high ranking positions. such as Cash Patel, such as Dan Bongino, these people that were highly outspoken about the Epstein thing throughout their show. And then they brought them in. Isn't that weird? They kind of like almost silence them.

Yes. Here's what Dan Bongino was blowing the whistle about that the evidence from Jeffrey Epstein's safe went missing after the FBI raid. And this is what he had to say about it. Listen, the Geelaine Maxwell case. We have an update on that from the telegraph, turns out headline, evidence from Jeffrey Epstein safe when missing after an FBI raid court hears in Gilein Maxwell trial. Folks, listen, I have over a decade of experience as a federal agent myself. Who cares? Hey, look at me.

I'm just telling you for to prove bona fides here, I have processed hundreds, if not thousands of pieces of evidence throughout my law enforcement career. I don't know how you would lose evidence. Let me explain to how evidence works. You survey search warrant in Jeffrey Epstein's house, and let's say, for example, you find videotapes or DVDs or whatever may be. You then take them. You tag them.

You note where you found them. In many cases, you take pictures. In most cases, now you take pictures of where you found them. You catalog them in evidence envelope so you can't tamper with them, right? You seal the envelope. You sign the envelope. it then comes back with you in custody, and it goes back typically,

well, in the Secret Service, to an evidence vault, which is a big like bank safe in the office. To go in the evidence vault, you have to sign in. To sign out the evidence, you have to sign out the specific piece of evidence.

How the hell do you lose evidence in a case this big? Is it lost? Was it lost? Forget what I mean? I don't know. I'm just telling you, I've never seen evidence.

You know what I did see evidence lost? Seriously. Sadly, during 9-11, our office was in Seven World Trade Center, the Secret Service office. Seven World Trade came down. I promise we lost a lot of evidence. That's the only time I've ever seen evidence lost. Here's another thing I want to address. Someone sent me an email suite.

You know, hey, Dan, remember that thing you'd mentioned a while ago about Epstein and the plane and Clinton? Yeah. Like, when are you going to break that? I said, break what? I told you. It's not my story. I can't say this enough. This is why sometimes I regret saying things on my show.

It's not because I regret saying it. It's because people don't understand it. And I answer emails for a year when I'm clear as day about what happened. It's not you. It's just a limited number of people. But the audience free, if even one person's upset, it bothers me. I'll say this clearly. I have a friend of mine who called me a long time ago, who was on a plane with Epstein and Clinton, was there.

and saw some very suspicious, shady stuff. It's his, I don't have any more detail. He said one day, get back to me and tell me the full story or give me permission to run with at least the minimal details I have. He hasn't since. So it's not my, there's nothing I can do. I can't force him into it. It's not my information to give up.

I'm not going to talk to you about details I don't have. But he did give me permission to tell you that, that it was odd. very odd what happened. And it bothered him forever. I'm not trying to be cryptic. The story, the guy's credibility is unimpeachable. Believe me. But the exact details I can't give you because I don't have them. He does. One of these days, I'm sure I'll put him out. When he does, we'll be here to give it to you. But I assure you, that conversation happened. Yeah. And by the way, what he's saying, I know exactly what he's saying, because we had a

we had an email a couple of years ago after Epstein, um, after our Epstein episode. And it was someone that was non, you couldn't really tell who he was weird random email and said, hey, what Dan Bongino said on his show, what that was about was Clinton was on the plane with Epstein.

And they had many underage girls on the plane headed to the island. And there was like four or five, 10 to 12 year olds on this, um, and I'm just saying what the email said, guys on this airplane and that some of the young girls 10 and 12 years old was on clinton's lap and just a lot of weird shit was going on and apparently i don't know who this person was the email but it was almost like they knew what exactly happened on the airplane and i don't know

that we i think we had talked about it on a past episode that our epstein episodes in the past but i think that's what happened i do want to point out something here though i was just thinking about this with the whole trump thing and pam bondie and cash patel and dan Bonino, what is upsetting to me? And the reason why I took my bracelet off, this is what is upsetting to me is. I put it on because I still trust Trump. Well, what is upsetting to me is that if the files were missing, right, if Pam Bondi and Dan Bonino and Cash Patel, they couldn't find the files. They didn't see anything that was.

They were on her desk, though. Yeah, supposedly. They were on her desk. But that's the point. They would come out and say, guys, we cannot get the files. They're likely missing. They've been destroyed. There have been people that said likely some of these files were destroyed.

But if that was the case, why would you not come out and tell the American people, especially after all the interviews, especially after all the things that you ran on and campaigned on? And especially people like Cash Patel and Dan Bongino, why would you not come out and say to the American people that, look, guys, we have tried to get these files. they may have been destroyed or they may be in the hands of another country, such as Israel, for example. Yeah, I'm going to feed into that for you. Yeah. I mean, but there's been a lot of speculation that maybe Israel was Israel and Mossad was run in this operation for blackmail on United States politicians. And, you know, I'll never forget.

There was, this is a very, very quick clip. But FBI director, Dan Bongino, or deputy director, he was asked, what cause is the most dear to your heart? and I want you to hear what his answer was. And I just want you to hear it because it's very strange, very, very strange answer over any cause is dear to his heart. This was the most important, listen. What cause is dear to your heart? Cause is dear to my Israel, the fence of Israel. So, defense of Israel is the cause that is most dear to his heart.

Like why as an American? And I think he's like a Mexican American, I guess. I mean, I think he has like a Latin. Dan Bonino or Italian. He's one of the one of those. But like, why would Israel be the number one thing that is the most dear to your heart? Well, I don't know because most political figures that Israel is dear to their heart is because they're getting paid in the pocket. Yeah, by A PACA.

Obviously. Yes. I get that. But why would Dan Bonino and Cash Patel and Pam Bondi have anything to do with Israel? Are they getting patted in the pocket? I don't know. but this was Dan Bongino going on Timcast. This was like probably eight months before he became deputy director,

maybe a year before he became deputy director of the FBI. And so this is what Dan Bongino told Tim Poole, a story of how he was told that Epstein was an intelligence agent by, let's see what he says. Listen. About a year and a half after that, I'm in a green room at Fox. And I'm not going to say who because they didn't give me permission to share it.

but the story, but not who they are, says, you know Epstein's an intelligence asset for people in the Middle East, right? I'm like, no, I didn't know that. I'm like, you sure of that? The person, let's say, is like, I'm absolutely sure of that, that he's either a winning or unwitting asset, intelligence asset, meaning his plane and that island, the cameras, there's a big assumption out there that these videotapes were exclusively in the custody of Epstein. that's a huge mistake.

The reason they wanted this story to go away is because there's an assumption like, oh yeah, Epstein had him. No, he wasn't the only one who had him according to this source. These assets, that's why this blackmail story makes so much sense. Which Middle Eastern countries they are? I don't know. But this person who is a very, very good reporter, I mean, ACEs, right, swore Epstein was either a winning or unwitting intelligence asset, and they may have had his plane wired up.

and they're the ones who have all this stuff. So the point is, to sum it up, how do you know some of these countries aren't going to some of these power players who aren't making decisions? Because, hey, he wouldn't want this video out there, right? How do you know? 100%. Yeah, so who in the world would do that?

Like, who in the world would want blackmail on American politicians? That is crazy. And they're a Middle Eastern country. Would it be Iran? No, I don't think so. Would it be Iraq? Very doubtful. Afghanistan.

no Hamas. I doubt it. Hamas is not that freaking, I mean, dude, they were using pagers and getting blown up. I mean, I very seriously doubt that they were wiring Jeffrey Epstein's plane and also wired very intelligently his entire island. Like, what intelligence asset could possibly be that technological and be that smart? Damn, is there anybody that comes to mind? Oh, wait.

Massad's really good at shit like that. like really good. I mean, to the point where they literally go into Iran, build these freaking drone bases, and then blow up Iran with drones from their own country. And then they intercept entire shipments of pagers going to Hamas and then blow them up after putting little tiny explosive devices inside the pagers. They're pretty smart. Oh, they're incredibly smart.

But also, like we do know that Gislai Maxwell, we know that her father, I think it was her father was a Mossad agent. I think it was her father and grandfather, if I'm not mistaken. So Mossad is also Israel. Dan Mangino, just say it, right? When you got into office and, you know, number one caused your heart this deer is Israel and the defense of Israel. Well, what are you doing right now?

You're defending Israel. That's what I think. And I'm not, I'm not saying this is all Israel. But why is, okay, let's talk about it for a minute. And I get what you're saying, I guess, because. I'm going through my mind as I'm asking you this question, why would Israel want to blackmail politicians and celebrities? I mean, come on. I mean, that's a pretty easy one.

And to be honest, like even if you think about Hunter Biden and I don't even want to say Israel. I want to say Israel government. What is Israel? I mean, it's Israel government. Yeah. I mean, of course. But that's what we're talking about. You know, even if you think about this too.

And then Trump in the same couple of days span announces that. Hey, guys, we're going to start sending more weapons to Ukraine. We're going to send them as much weapons as we can get. Just announced this two days ago. And everybody's like, what? Like, what the hell are you talking about? You're going to keep sending Ukraine weapons. Basically doing the exact same shit that the Biden-Harris administration is doing.

Nothing is changing when it comes to this. Well, I think he's pissed off at Putin because Putin will come to the table and make a deal with him. And that's what Donald Trump wants people to know is that he made the deals. and he made the peace deals. And if he's not going to be able to make a peace deal with Putin, then he's like, screw him. Yeah, I mean, that's possible. And that's probably more explainable with the Ukraine thing. Even still, though, it's for the defense of a nation that's not ours.

But yeah, as far as Israel goes and, you know, why would they have someone like Jeffrey Epstein, that they then put him into positions of power among the politicians? You have to understand that Epstein was a college dropout. Now, he wasn't even very smart. No. This guy came from nothing to a multi, multi-millionaire. Overnight. Some people say billionaire.

Well, yeah, because billionaires were letting him take their money and do what he wanted with their money. Yeah, absolutely. And what I'm saying is it goes back to like how Hunter Biden was involved in Ukraine. And then this was before the war ever happened. And then all this, all this weapon shipments from the United States and the billions of dollars that went to Ukraine after. Hunter Biden and also Joe Biden was, you know, Joe Biden was on video saying, look, if you don't fire the prosecutor looking into my son, then you ain't getting shit. You ain't getting your money.

Barisma. Yeah. And he said, you're not getting your money. You're not getting any of this shit. So this was all some type of massive probably money laundering thing by way of weapons. Even Zelensky himself said that we've really only received probably 60 to 70% of the money that has been sent. we're talking about three to four hundred billion dollars worth.

So where did the rest of the money go? Well, the rest of the money went back to the politicians that were supporting this in Congress and in Senate in the United States that were passing these bills and pushing all this money to Ukraine. And then a lot of that was likely coming back into money laundering. Now, also keep in mind, San Bankman freed with FTX. This was a crypto scam. But it wasn't a scam.

It was another money laundering operation by way of the U.S. government. And I'll tell you why, because it just so happened. Ukrainian government also had FtX account. The Ukrainian government had an FtX account. And do you understand who the number two donor was to the Democrat Party was Sam Bankman-Fried? He sure was. He was the number two donor with multi-millions of dollars funded to the Democrat Party prior to the 2024 election, I believe 2020 as well.

So money was being laundered by U.S. taxpayers, back to politicians, back into their campaigns, by way of Ukraine, by way of FTX and by way of San Bankman-Fried. I think this was going to come out. They had to have a fall guy. Guess who that was? Sam-Bankman-Fried. Guess who the fall guy was for the Operation of Mossad? Likely Mossad. It was well, Ghislane Maxwell in this case, because

they allegedly killed Epstein. So this whole thing is a massive bullshit cover-up. And, you know, when you hear people like Dan Bongino talking on podcasts like this and you ask yourself, why is this not coming out? Why are they not being truthful to the American people?

is because I don't think people understand how influential, in my opinion, the Israeli PACs and government is to the United States because of what they want to accomplish in the Middle East. I think that's a big reason. I think it was also alongside the CIA. And I think there's probably also some type of massive money laundering scheme probably involved in this as well. But the biggest thing is, is that it's almost as if saying, look, we have a video just like

Dan Bongino said, you don't want that video to come out, do you? So you might want to just accept. our money and you might want to just run on our cause no matter what your biggest thing should always be Israel and if it isn't guess what we have a video of you so you might not want to talk shit or say that you don't want to support Israel no matter what we do we're going to make sure what we want happens and that is just my opinion you guys can think about it however you want now I want to play this quick video and then we got an Alan Dirtowitz video we got to play a Tucker crossing clip because Tucker Carlson had a lot of good things are yeah and you got to remember

Alan was Trump's best attorney. But Alan allegedly was also on the list. Yes. But yeah, and that's what I, that's what's always made me. And that's so weird to me when you think about, you know, Trump's saying, we're going to be transparent. We're going to come out with all this. But you know what?

My favorite attorney is on this list. Yeah. But what I'm saying too is that, you know, Alan Dershowitz, he was someone or he's someone that's always on Fox News. Every time I see him on Fox News, I'm like, why is this guy on Fox News? because, I mean, there's been so much talk about him being so close to Epstein and not just close to Epstein, but I don't know if you know, Alan Dershowitz was also Epstein's lawyer. Did you know that? And so allegedly, that's why Dershowitz was on this list so many times because he was the attorney for Epstein at one point in time. But there's a lot of people who are like, yeah, I don't know, dude.

This guy also may be a piece of shit. I'm not saying he is. I have no idea. I don't want to say for sure that. But I want to go ahead and get to the video. Alex Jones posted video. This was just his quick thoughts. And then we're going to get some really juicy stuff.

So just stand by. This was Alex Jones where he says the DOJ is running cover for the CIA and Mossad. And it was kind of funny how upset Alex was about this to the point where he was going to throw up. Yeah, literally. All right. Here you go. Well, I woke up this morning and turned my phone on. And there were hundreds of text messages saying, oh, my God, the DOJ just put out a letter.

I know you've all seen now. saying there is no Epstein client list. There never was any blackmail operation. Epstein killed himself. And the investigation is closed. So everybody wants to know what I think. Well, I know what's going on. And so I'll tell you, Trump had two ways to go with all of this.

He could prosecute all of these incredibly prominent people, household names, or they can use the information to blackmail the deep state. I've done deep research and have a lot of contacts and no Trump's M.O. And he's not into kids. He's not going to be peed on in Russian hotels. All that was lies. We know from the CIA and Brennan and the very crew running the EFSI operation. But the reason that you are seeing this deep sixth is because the CIA with the Mossad

and MI6 was running Epstein, and it was an official U.S. government operation, multinational. And it was the family business going back to goes like Maxwell's dad, and that's all on record. So Ibn Trump was to actually prosecute this. It would bring down the CIA. And so that's why you've had Comey who controlled the files over at the FBI with the CIA, but on that end of the DOJ, having his daughter do all the main, coverups. I want to stop for a second.

And as he's talking about the CIA, it would bring down the CIA. Do you remember the interview with Pan Bondi with that we just played earlier? And she says, you know, there are some aspects of national security. Well, you have to ask yourself, why would Epstein being a pedophile and running a blackmail operation be an issue of national security? Well, it's because apparently he. was running a blackmail operation for intelligence. That would be an issue of national security.

So I just want to point that out. The only reason Epstein at all would be mentioned as an issue for national security is because it is intelligence operation. That is why. Let me bring up this real quick. And I'm getting off topic just a minute. But I think it's very important. I think the same thing happened with Bohemian Grove.

When you had all these politicians going in and having gay sex with each other, other and being blackmailed and videotaped is all about blackmailing to keep mouths shut. Yeah. Yeah. And Bohemian Grove was a men only club. And it was for elite politicians, you know, presidents visited there, Bush visited there. So many people visited this location. And, you know, from what we understand is that they filmed each other, having sex with

each other, to get blackmail on them. And I guess at some point in time, why they got rid of Bohemian Grove. was because they made a much more elaborate operation, which was Epstein Island. Yes. And likely others, maybe even Diddy. We don't know for sure. But I'm going to finish what Alex has to say. I just with the Epstein and Maxwell case, but obviously P. Diddy and the rest of it.

So this is the swamp winning. The question is, is Trump's DOJ actually using this to control the deep state? Or are they just so overwhelmed by it? they are tapping out. Because, let me explain, logic here. And from all the obvious inside sources, you know, we're the ones that broke with the FBI whistleblowers, O'Boyle and others,

seraphid all of this that was first unfolding with five months ago when they were supposed to, you know, had this 14 terabytes. They'd send it out to the FBI field offices for investigation. And Pamponi went on Fox a bunch of times. So did the U.S. attorneys from New Jersey and said, Oh, yeah, we've seen it hundreds of new victims and videos and all this horrible stuff.

He keeps being raped. Hundreds of new victims are going to be released here. So you wouldn't say all that if you were planning a cupboard up from the beginning. So something has changed along the way. And it all points towards this being used to blackmail the deep state. I'm not endorsing it. Clearly, this is what Musk learned about a few months ago and looked like he aged 10 years. you know, 10 years overnight,

looked completely freaked out. And then I think their conscience had to come out and say what he said. I mean, even people like cat turd, you know, who is just the quintessential, will not question anything in the Trump administration. It's completely freaked out now.

I mean, there's no one is buying this. Patrick McDavid's had really good breakdowns of it all. Jack Fasovic said, okay, so Gisland Maxwell is innocent because she was, you know, found guilty of sex trafficking. So how do you say there's no,

you know, trafficking or blackmail or any of this. It's just absolute horseshit on its face. And it's a disaster. It's an absolute disaster. You know, Trump is doing a lot of good. And obviously, the deep state's trying to destroy me for supporting him.

It's with hell. And a lot of goods happening. I'll say this. This is very, very painful. And nauseating. I actually physically nauseated in the last three hours since I got up and just trying to collate this.

Of course, I instantly knew what was happening when I saw the information. I've talked about the different scenarios here. Obviously, there's nothing the globalists wouldn't do to keep this coming out. They've already tried to kill Trump repeatedly. Have they rolled over? I see a lot of signs that, I mean,

Trump's pretty much in charge now. And so all evidence points towards them using the information to control the leave state. So meet the new boss, same as the old boss. The Hoosong won't get won't get fooled again. But I'm going to say this in closing. I'll be covering an old day at 11 a.m. Central when my show kicks off and thenforces.com. Forks slash show and right here on X and on the rail stations across the country. We are seeing 96% reduction in smuggling of humans

across the border. They have raided a lot of people and found human traffickers. They have saved a lot of kids. It's in the federal filings with their little kids. He don't see their names the news. That's the way that works. These are juveniles. That's, you know, the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of missing kids, millions of kids total. And so I might throw the baby out with the bathwater, but at the same time, the fact that this is a key, the fact that they didn't just shut up about this, even they were going to use it for blackmail, or was you too dangerous, you know, seismically for the system to bring it out. And I'm not defending that. I'm not. saying that would be the thinking.

You don't then have Cash Patel and Bongino like deer in the headlights looking like their hostages saying oh no, we've seen everything, there's nothing there. I know he killed himself and put out this stupid video from outside

the cell bay with cops dragging trash cans around going, look, this proves he killed himself. You don't do all that unless it's part of a deal with the system that you've got to go out and that so you're now complicit in the line. And that's why they look like they're being tortured because I think both men have had integrity and I think you see them losing their souls on live TV.

This is going to be an unmitigated disaster. I don't know how they got Trump and the DOJ to do this because the public is not buying it. No one. No one is buying it. So I never saw any evidence of Trump. saw any evidence of Trump involved in any of the stuff that came out. It was all fake. The fake Jane does. All the crap.

E. Jean Carroll, the crazy leftist cat lady all of it. So now by coming in and being part of the cover up, the Trump administration has, I mean, it just, you cannot see it any other way. So I'm going to, I just got to the office. I'm going to go throw up, actually. And this only happens every few years when something really, really bad happens or something. I mean, I'm physically going to put probably right now. My mouth is water.

right all. And I agree. I feel what Alex Jones has felt. But the past two days, I literally just feel kind of destroyed. Yeah. Yeah, destroyed because, and it's not because of Trump. It's not because any of that. I think it's just that we have had such high hopes for this administration that maybe finally we're going to get some real justice. We're going to find out who these people were, that were the suspects in this blackmail ring, the people that were actually having sex with children on camera, that we were going to be able to finally hold these people accountable. And it's like when you come out and you have old Daddy Trump,

as what Jesse Lee Peterson calls him, Daddy Trump comes out and says, what are you even asking about a dead pedophile for? What does it even matter anymore? It's like they're getting so defensive. And as Alex said there, when Dan Bongino and Cash Patel went on that interview on television, on Fox, I believe it was. And Cash Patel's like, look, there's nothing to see here. I know that he killed himself for a fact.

Yeah, and he was probably throwing up in his mouth when he was saying that. Yeah. And then he looks at Dan Bongino and Dan Bondi's like, yeah, I've seen the, I've seen the video and he did kill himself. It was literally like a terrorist. It was like a terrorist hostage video. I don't know if you've ever saw like a terrorist hostage video where they're really. reading off of something that they have to say to not be killed. Yeah.

And they're totally lying in our face saying, oh, yeah, it was just a bunch of porn. That is bullshit. Yeah. That is total bullshit. You know they have evidence. They have tapes. And I think they do have them in our hands. And it makes me wonder, you know, is it massage?

Why is, how is Mossad blackmailing? What is going on? Like, just get it out on the table. Yeah. Well, what I will say, too, is, and I'm just. just saying this because there are people on X, there are influencers on X to have grown exponentially, you know, say over the past six months to a year, they have just exploded with their follower counts. And a lot of these people that have exploded, and I want to make some, I just want to

make a point here, these people have been start supporters of Israel. No matter what anyone says to negate or anything about Israel, they always are coming out. They're big Trump supporters, big MAGA, supposedly. But they're always, no matter what, they go against anybody that says anything negative about Israel. Like Lindsey Graham? No, no, no. I'm saying, no, I'm saying influencers. I'm not saying politicians.

I'm saying influencers that are on social media. And there's quite a few of them out there that no matter what, when anyone even talks about saying, like, hey, maybe civilians, maybe 80,000 civilians shouldn't have died in Gaza or whatever. They always come out in defense of Israel and so on. So when this Epstein thing broke over this past week, if you look at those same accounts, guess what? They're like, oh, wow, yeah. So you guys don't believe Trump now and it's like Epstein's dead. They're saying all the same talking points that the Trump administration is. There is no files, dude.

He's dead. Who gives a shit about Epstein anymore? Let's move on. This is what all the people are saying that were the same supporters of Israel, no matter what, through all the shit that was being said, these are the same people now that are coming down and saying, we don't care about Epstein all the sudden. We don't need to know about who the victims were. He's dead. He's gone.

Move on. Well, I have always been a huge Trump supporter. And I, you guys know, I'm a huge Israel supporter. And I'm saying, what the fuck? Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it's nuts. So, by the way, to the interview we were talking about, this is Maria Bartramo. I think that's her name on Fox News.

When she interviewed Cash Patel and Dan Bonjino, it's very, very short. shorts, 30 seconds. But this is when they definitively said that Epstein did in fact kill himself. Listen. You said Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. People don't believe it. Well, I mean, listen, they have a right to their opinion. But as someone who has worked as a public defender, as a prosecutor who's been in that prison system, who's been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing, you know a suicide when you see one. And that's what that was.

They killed himself. Again, you want me to get, I've, I've seen the whole file. He killed himself. I know it's. He's seen the whole file. He killed himself. Bullshit. That's all I will say.

And it is absolute horseshit. Now, here's Alan Dershowitz. Ex-Ebstein lawyer says he's seen the list. And this is what he says about the list himself. He's seen it. He was Epstein's lawyer. He knows about the list. Not an opinion.

This is a fact. I have seen. Remember, I was accused falsely. and they have seen, and ultimately, I was completely cleared. The woman admitted that she may have mistook me for somebody else and withdrew all of her lawsuits. And so from day one, from the day I was accused, I said, I want every document out because I knew every document would prove I was innocent. So let me tell you, I know for a fact documents are being suppressed and they're being suppressed and protect individuals. I know the names of the individuals. I know why they're being suppressed.

I know who's suppressing them. But I'm bound by confidentiality from, a judge and cases, and I can't disclose what I know. But I pan to God. I know. I know the names of people whose files are being suppressed in order to protect them. And that's wrong. Just out of curiosity without names, are these politicians, business leaders, both? They're everything. And let me tell you, a lot of them are, at least one of them is somebody who was accused. Others are accusers. And the judges have said, if somebody calls themselves a victim, a victim, we're not going to give any information about them, but they may not be victims. They may be perpetrators. So we don't have information about false accusers. And we know there have been many false accusers who have accused innocent people

for money. And those records are being deliberately willfully suppressed. And they shouldn't be suppressed. If the accusation is allowed out, so should the material that diminishes the credibility of the accuser. We want total transparency on this. Every single document, no redaction. That's what I've said from day one. I waive any of my rights of privacy. Anything there is about me, I'm happy because it will be exculpatory. There you go. Okay, so sorry, Alan. I might have misspoke a little bit. Listen, if Alan Dershowitz wants the shit out and he's like, I've seen the list, I know who's on it, I know why they're protecting it, likely he's probably not in necessarily, you know, the realm of a suspect. Like he says, he was an Epstein attorney.

He is bound by confidentiality. He's bound by all these things. So obviously he would have seen the list. So he is at least someone credible that's probably seen the list. He knows what the list holds and the names that are on these lists, likely of suspects, not just flight logs. We're talking about client list that came to the island for the reasoning of having sex with children. And why wouldn't they have a client list if they have a flight log list?

Like, seriously. Well, and that's what a lot of people are trying to say. It's like, oh, what, do you think he's going to actually have a client list or it's on like a PDF file? Yeah. Yes. Yeah, he does. I do think that. There's a, I mean, because otherwise, why would you hold and have a blackmail ring operation?

You would have every single person's name. You would have who they are, what time they went, how long they went, video evidence of that, audio evidence of that, everything. Because it wasn't just video. It was audio as well. So you have everybody. And one of the things Alan Dershowitz says here is that like one of the people that's accused is like, kind of everybody knows, which I'm thinking he's talking about Bill Clinton in that particular case.

You know, this is something that, you know, for him to say, especially someone that has been accused of this, like bring the shit out because there has been people that have been accused of it that are not on the list or not, you know, clients of Epstein. Well, I'm just going to say that I thought he was like a big contender of being on the island. Well, but listen, if this guy is out there pushing hard for this list to be released, he's seen the list. he was Epstein's attorney, which I don't know how the hell you would be Epstein's attorney after you know something like that.

I mean, that's always been one of my things. Like as far as- It's like Ann Taylor with Brian Colberger. Ryan Coburger. Yeah, same stuff. Same thing. But it's just so, it would be so hard to be a defense attorney for someone like Epstein. I mean, I just can't imagine ever taking that case.

Even the Brian Coburger thing. I just, I don't know. Now, I would be an offense attorney like if I thought the person was actually innocent, right? Yeah, but you got to take all the cases. Yeah, but supposedly I think there's some kind of law or something that says that you have to believe in good faith that your client is innocent or something. I don't know exactly what that is. But there's no way that most defense attorneys believe in good faith their client is innocent. I could be wrong about that.

But there's something along the lines of that, right? So I don't know exactly what it is. But Tim Burchett from Tennessee, Congressman Tim Burchett, which I like Tim Burchett a lot. I think he's a great dude. He's been a big voice in the UFO, UAP, subcommittee. he subcommittee. He is usually there with Anna Pauline and Luna. Anna Pauline and Luna also to the same thing.

She has been out there full force asking the Trump administration. She's always been a big Trump supporter saying, where's the files? You guys are freaking lying to us. Tim Burchett, same way. You know, these are all, these have always been Trump supporters, including one of the biggest Trump supporters, Marjorie Taylor Green. Marjorie Taylor Green is going against Trump right now. Well, I think it was the big, beautiful deal thing.

Well, it was a big beautiful bill at first, but then now she's also been outspoken about the client list, the Epstein thing. Now people are asking, Congress people are asking, what the hell's really going on in the higher echelon of our government? Because something's happening in Washington that we don't understand right now, especially considering you thought if old Trump was going to get in office, everything was going to be cleared up. We were going to know the truth and we don't still. But here's what Tim Berchett had to say when he went on News Nation, the other night about what. what he thinks about the Epstein Cup rep, listen. I think the files existed at one time. I think they were destroyed in the previous administration.

And I think if they'd ever had anything on Trump, it would have been out day one under the Biden administration. And I don't, I think there's some very prominent people. There's Hollywood people. But I think there's world leaders too. And would it have caused economic disruption around the globe? Maybe. but I don't really care. I want to very much.

Is there a theory, is there a theory perhaps that none of the, not none, but maybe some of the people on the list, didn't do anything wrong, and this would be a terrible guilt by association to put their names out, just to put everybody's name out, no one's been charged with a crime, put all these people's names out, and suddenly because they had an interaction with Epstein that was completely benign, they're labeled as one of his buddies? What's Ms. Maxwell doing in jail? what did she do? Where is that? Who did she provide whatever she did?

Why is she in jail? You know, that's got to be a question that should be asked at some point. But again, under the previous administration, we're not going to get that. Dead men tell no tales. He's dead. Well, I just want to be clear what you're saying. Are you saying the previous administration destroyed everything? Or are you saying that the Trump administration is,

basically doing the same thing, the previous administration? No, I think they destroyed everything. So why wouldn't Pam Bondi say that? She doesn't have any proof of it. I'm just telling you what I think. I've been around this town enough. I don't think she's, I think she's got over her steeds pretty much saying all this stuff. The files are on my desk. I'm going to release it.

And then she releases stuff that I knew. you know, so I just, I just don't think, I think they all got out there, got a little excited, and I don't think they exist. And that's my, currently. I think they did it. I think they did it one time. I think, I mean, you got an administration that lied about it said, Hunter Biden didn't, you know, his laptop, that didn't exist. That's a Russian, you know, you had 30 of the time. Right. I know, I get all that. Intelligence people in the country say that. And they didn't get chastised by anybody, but

but y'all and a couple of others. Yeah. So the only thing I disagree with what Tim Burchett's saying, though, is that if they truly believe that the past administration, and this is just Congressman Tim Burchett from Tennessee that believes the previous administration destroyed the evidence. But if Pam Bondi and Cash Patel, the director of FBI and attorney general and all these people, I mean, if they thought that the previous administration destroyed it, there's no question that they would come out and say, well, we don't have. have it. We don't know where it is. Yeah, because that's going to take the heat off of them. Yes. I mean, and that's what makes no sense. If you truly think that the previous administration destroyed evidence, and especially with all the heat and backlash you're getting right now, hardcore, then you would just come out and say, like, you know, look, we think that the previous

administration destroyed evidence or someone destroyed evidence. We can't find it. We don't know where it is, but they're lying to us. We know they're lying to us because they were literally saying things differently from week to week, and that is completely destroying their credibility. Now, the bad thing about all this, for anybody that don't want Democrats back in office, especially after the Biden-Harris administration, where you had a senile president that was, they were using an auto pen to sign all these executive orders, all these things that were highly influenced in our economy, what our government did with our taxpayer dollars, all of these things, they were using an auto pin.

And a lot of this shit that Trump always says about the auto pen and Biden and, you know, who is it too. Yeah, who, well, it doesn't matter. But who was making these decisions. Well, Trump's making a lot of the same decisions now. I mean, we're about to send more money to Ukraine. We're sending more money to Israel. We always do. We are star supporters of Israel no matter what they do.

Benjamin Net Yahoo can, you know, basically ignore what Trump says about what not to do. You know, do not attack them. Do not do this. And then Benjamin Net Yahoo does the exact opposite. And then Benjamin Net Yahoo comes in the office and meets with him and everything is hunky-dory again. And they're like best friends. Trump like pulls out the chair of Benjamin at Yahoo when he comes into the room. Yeah.

And Benjamin Net Yahoo nominated him for a Nobel Peace Prize. You know, Trump and them have been meeting a lot about, you know, supposedly as for Gaza and peace deals and all this stuff. But they were meeting right around the time when the Epstein files were potentially going to come out. And so how much does Israel really have to do with Epstein? and what were the meetings that Trump and Benjamin Nanyahu have had lately? What were they talking about? Because I don't think they were talking about Gaza. I think likely they were meeting and saying, look, you're not going to say shit about these Epstein files.

This is an intelligence op with Mossad, with the CIA, whoever else. And this is an issue of national security, just like Pam Bondi, when she said, well, this could be an issue of national security. Why, Pam Bonnie, why would it be an issue of national security? That is the question. But if Israel is. blackmailing America. What are they blackmailing? The deep state? Who are they blackmailing? Well, no, they're blackmailing politicians. And, you know, they're making sure that the politicians that they

support through APEC and, you know, APAC is the biggest lobbying group that the United States probably has. And that is, uh, that is for that is an, that is an Israel lobbying group for our politicians. Now, if we go back just for a minute to JFK, well, JFK was one of the guys that was, very heavy on saying that Israel needed to register as a foreign lobbying group or foreign agent because any foreign government that is going to give money to politicians in the United States has to be registered as a foreign agent and JFK was starting to be very vocal about that. If you guys have not listened to our episode about JFK, we did an episode probably two or three months ago. This was when the quote unquote Epstein files or not Epstein files, sorry, the JFK files came out,

which it was a bunch of redacted bullshit. It was stuff that everybody already knows. They tried to hand it off like, hey, here's the JFK files that we promised we were going to release. And it was just a bunch of redactions. There was nothing really there to be seen. But what we have to understand is that on our episode where we talked about the book, The Men on the Sixth Floor, we know for sure because of that book that LBJ, Linda B. Johnson, was in charge of essentially this hit group that took out JFK.

and not just JFK, Robert Kennedy as well. Robert Kennedy at a time was the Attorney General. He was about to prosecute LBJ because of the corrupt shit that he was involved in. And LBJ did not just potentially have JFK killed. He had other people killed. And there were maybe multiple of these. And the main guy that was over his hit squad, it was like one of his close confinants. It was a guy that was ex-military, very smart dude.

I think he went to MIT. Very, very smart guy. many people think he was a CIA asset that was kind of enveloped into the CIA. He was LBJ's right-hand man. Well, we know from the book The Men on the Sixth floor, they interviewed one of the alleged or potential shooters right before he died. And he told everything. He told who he was with, who the person he met, all of this shit.

And what we'd never really talked about on that episode was LBJ's connection to Israel. Now, LBJ definitely had a big connection to Israel. And although on our podcast, we talked specifically about how LBJ actually put this group of people together because of its connections to a lot of these people. And this is through confirmation of one of the people that were there the day that JFK got shot. We never went into LBJ's connections to Israel. And I think on a future episode, probably a month from now or whenever, when we really investigate those ties and can kind of bring all that together,

we will absolutely discuss that and bring you all of that information as well because that's just a whole other facet of the JFK assassinating. But that's what's so scary is that we've been lied to for so long for centuries. And you think that the government is here to protect us. But really, they're not. And, you know, my, I tell you guys all the time, my eyes have been opened from this podcast. Yeah. Like I would have never thought the government was lying to me or doing all these things.

until we really investigated these things. Yeah, and it's not just our government. It's how our cooperation is with Israel. It's how much influence other countries have on us, in particular Israel as well. And I'm not saying that everything in the world is Israel's fault. I'm just saying that we can lead a lot of stuff back to Israel and especially how deep they are into our politics. Now, I want to also play this.

Tucker Carlson interviewed cigar from Breaking Points. And they talk about Epstein and they make a lot of good points here as well. So I want to go ahead and start that and we'll break it down. Something that you say that always resonates with me is I don't want to be lied to. And I specifically don't want to be lied to by the very people who built careers. And I'm talking here specifically about Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, and many others who now work for the administration, who fed MAGA and the American people and promised them to get to the bottom of this, only to turn their tune immediately upon assuming office, lying before Congress talking about this is an obvious case of suicide.

going on the Joe Rogan podcast and effectively asking for some level of trust that I don't give to any government official. FBI director Cash Patel said, if I had this information, don't you think I would release it? No, I don't because actually your actions now just in the last couple of days only vindicate the idea that this is not only a systematic government cover up at the highest levels, not only involving sex trafficking, but going all the way up to the top levels of the U.S. intelligence, the Israeli intelligence community implicating powerful people, billionaires here in the United States, former prime ministers of Israel, our current president, former presidents of the United States, and for them to come out on the very day, or I guess the day before, that the Israeli prime

minister is visiting Washington. For the third time this year. Why exactly? You know, can we go over that? Last time I checked, this is a country to do about 52 billion in bilateral trade with, equivalent to like Singapore and Chile. I don't remember the last time that Chilean or Singaporean leaders were in Washington for three times in the last six months into who we give $3.3.3 billion to Switzerland. These are all countries I love, by the way. I visited all three that I just listed. I love them.

Would I, you know, would they serve? And Israel. Yes. Did you do school in Israel? That's right. I did six weeks in Israel. It's a great country. I like it a lot.

But it's not about that. This is about my country. And so watching this all just get perverted and then use and hijacking our government is just particularly. offensive to me, not only just as an American, but I feel particularly not only deceived by the people like the FBI director and the deputy director, Dan Bongino, but the attorney general who went on camera after assuming her office on the White House lawn. These are supposed to mean things and said, thousands of victims, we have the client list, we have the flight logs. She held a little press conference, whatever event with so-called influencers in which she gave

them the Epstein files, an infamous photo, that was released. It turned out that that binder actually had redacted information in it, which was already public, just to demonstrate how they were turning the South Long, they're turning the White House effectively into a performative show and making, you know, light of the fact that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of underage victims. And it's just not the victims. It's the fact that it extends to the highest levels of the elite, the transatlantic elite, and possibly even beyond that, from some of the richest men, in our country, presidents of the United States, former prime ministers of Israel. We're talking here about Bill Gates, Leon Black, Leslie Wexner, the richest and most

powerful people in the world, the Nobel Committee, the scientific, I mean, the community, Harvard, MIT, the tentacles through which this operation had its hands in and stretches all the way back to the 1980s. It is one of the most disgusting intelligence operations, I think, in United States intelligence history, rivaling some of the things, you know, eventually that led to the death of President Kennedy. And the thing is, is around this time is just like Kennedy, we all know the truth. We know that this document released by the Trump administration is complete bullshit.

And I guess that maybe, just like with the Kennedy assassination, they expect us to just get over it in a period of time. And I genuinely think it's incumbent on anybody who was either supportive of the president, any United States citizen to say no, we demand like absolute and total transparency. on this case, and particularly of these government officials, do not use your platform to enrich yourself on these podcast platforms and constantly talk about Epstein and the Epstein files, eventually assume office, change on a dime and expect us to trust you. That is not how this works.

And in particular, in that document, I think it's one of the most disgusting documents ever released by the United States government because it said there was no blackmail. We're not releasing this information. Cash Patel has this new line about how we're not going to re-vict. victimized women. Ask the Epstein victims themselves. They have been begging for this information to come to light specifically to implicate the powerful men that victimized them and through which they were, you know, they were basically used for trafficking purposes to ensnare them in this high-level U.S. intelligence Israeli intelligence operation probably run in conjunction.

And the, you know, the trail of this entire thing just, it enrages me. It actually enrages me as an American. I don't think you're alone. And I do think as someone who voted for the president campaign for the president a lot, I'm not attacking the president. But I think even people who are fully on board with, you know, the bulk of the MAGA agenda or like, this is too much. Yes, yes.

I'm saying that with love. And I hope that they're listening because I think this threatens to blow up the whole thing. But let's just back up a little bit and just pick at some of the incandum. consistencies here. So you're saying that Pam Bondi said on camera, we have a client list. On the White House lawn. I've seen the client list. Yes. And then yesterday, she's saying there's no client list. There's no client list. And there was no systematic blackmail. That actually might be the most preposterous line in the document. But it doesn't, I mean, it just doesn't make any sense. So they've said that there were thousands of young people, in some cases, minors, underage

children, sexually victimized. Are they saying that Epstein single-handedly had sex with all? Because actually, for whatever it's worth, I don't think anyone that I, I've never seen anyone make the claim that Epstein had sex with anybody. Yes, that's right. Well, a lot of these allegations revolve around like group activities and they around like masseuse and being, I mean, look, the way that Dershowitz and others would claim it is I kept my underwear on and it was all a, you know, very above the board, massage information. There's that famous photo of Bill Clinton in the airport terminal with one of these young victim who herself says she was a victim of the Epstein entire machine. So you're exactly right. It's like for these thousands of women,

were they victimized entirely by Gileane Maxwell and by Jeffrey Epstein? Because by the way, that's not even what the Galane Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, court documents and other things that we already knew that we're in the public information. That's not what they say. That's not what the testimony of the victims of these people say. And so again, even this client list thing, I do think people can go down the rabbit hole too much and think that there is, as you know, you know, there's no ledger as in had sex with so-and-so. and we, you know, because of that, supported Israel. Like, that's not how it works.

So the criminal client list itself is misleading. It's misleading because really what we want is in a full list of the victims of the people who flew on the flight logs. But the most important is the money. And I think a lot of people actually miss that in the Epstein story. Jeffrey Epstein came to power largely because he worked at Bear Stearns and effectively was like a high finance money laundering expert. That's effectively what we can learn from his background. That's how he came involved with Leon Black. Leon Black was one of the most powerful men in New York.

This is the head of the Apollo Group. He paid him $170 million through various shell corporations for tax advice. And when he was caught doing that, he was said, actually, it wasn't even useful because all the tax advice was actually in the public domains. What? I mean, Leslie Wexner, in the 1991, I believe, signed full power of attorney over to Jeffrey Epstein. He was one of the richest men in America. I think he was the richest man in Ohio. at that time. Jeffrey Epstein becomes the head of the Wexner Foundation,

funnels some $2.5 million to Aoud Barack, the former Israeli prime minister. I'm putting these things out there because I want people to know that the money is an integral part of the operation. And to the extent that the sex trafficking and all of that is linked, they are fused together because they were used primarily by the intelligence community. Both, Epstein was a conduit of high-stakes money laundering for things like, you know, not Iran contra specifically, but let's say like funneling arms from Israel to Iran. This was also how he met eventually Robert Maxwell and became ensnared with his daughter,

Galane Maxwell. The money laundering is actually more key to his intelligence rules. Funneling arms from Israel to Iran? Well, this was a key part of. All right. I want to stop for a second because, you know, this is, what do you do, Sherry, when you want to find the culprits? Well, this is what I always say is when there is stink, you follow the money. When you follow the money, it leads you to the.

the end. Yeah, absolutely. And that is true. I mean, and I think this is the case for the Epstein thing. He was put in very high positions to where a lot of very, very prominent elite people gave him all of their money to do whatever the hell they wanted or whatever he wanted to with it. You know, and he would say, well, we just need tax advice. And here's a hundred and something million dollars. No, they were funneling money to him through various means. This was, you know, if we now know, obviously it was an intelligence operation. So, you know, you could say that maybe you could go back and look at the money trail and maybe find out who some of these big players were that were funding Epstein. But the reality is that if a lot of these elites were part of this

intelligence operation, you're likely not ever going to be able to backtrace this money to any significance. And especially if it was a foreign government that was doing this, because then that's where the money trail is going to dry up. You're not going to be able to see anything beyond the United States likely. And especially if Israel's involved and there's money being funneled through there. Just like we talked about earlier with Ukraine and Hunter Biden and the fact that he was getting paid, you know, he had these paintings that he was getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for, which was complete garbage bullshit.

It was like finger paintings. Well, they were pretty good to me. I like his paintings, but I like my paintings too. But, you know, when you talk about the ledger, of course there was not a ledger like so-and-so had sex with this person on this night. They didn't have ledgers, though. But I do think they had video. Oh, of course they had video.

I mean, like we already talked about. I mean, it was wired and everything. So, of course, they have video. And I'm sure they also actually have a client list. I mean, that's what Pam Bondi said consistently. We have a client list. It's on my desk. And then she's like, no, that's not what I said.

I said that all the files are on my desk. And then she said, well, we have truckloads of evidence coming in. And we have all of a sudden, no, we don't have victims. It's just all downloaded child porn. Yeah, it's a bunch of porn. And it was of the island itself. No, it's all bullshit. But also, here is what they talk about about the dark truth about the Epstein cover-up.

Listen. I remember thinking when Epstein killed himself. I never met Epstein, but, I mean, he, you know, knew everybody. I mean, I will say, I mean, in his, you know, in the defense of people who got caught up in this because they went to dinner at Epstein's, like that George Stephanopoulos, for example, who I disagree with and everything. But, like, I know George. And I don't think George is having sex with kids at Epstein. It's like Epstein was, you know, just part of like the social fabric, right? And Trump knew him for that reason also.

But when he killed himself, I remember thinking people were like, he didn't kill himself. I was, hey, he probably killed himself. He knows he's in jail or whatever. His brother, Mark called me a couple days after he killed himself. And so began this like three-year-long conversation with Mark Epstein and looking into it in a way I never thought I would. He didn't kill himself. He was murdered in his cell. Yeah.

And I think that's really meaningful. It's the most secure federal lockup in the United States. How can that happen? It can't happen without state actors involved. That's right. Look at the story that we were told at that time. Part of the information dump here by the administration is some hours of footage. We were told that footage didn't exist.

We were told that this was some guards who were, you know, off. They fell asleep. They fell asleep. None of it exists. And actually, you know, it was all part of a screw up. And the camera angles wouldn't even be able to show anything. But that's why they're relatively confident. So where did this camera foot?

footage even come from? Well, the camera's footage doesn't even, first of all, it ends before they take his body out. Why can't we see that? And the angle on it is absurd. But the real question, just not to be pedantic, but the real question is, who are the other inmates on that cell block? So no one came in or out of the cell block. I think that's fair.

It was the most secure cell block in that federal lock of Manhattan. But who are the other inmates? And I went to Department of Prisons, which is part of DOJ and asked, like, what are their names? Oh, we can't for privacy reasons. Really? These are people who can't vote or own a firearm? Yes.

You know, for the rest of their lives, but somehow they've got like a hippo law or something around who's a federal inmate? Fuck you, actually. Yeah. Sorry. It made me so mad because, of course, if Epstein was murdered and it's very clear that he was, he was murdered by another inmate. That's right. And we know that a bunch of them were transferred out of that unit right after he died. Who were they?

Where are they now? Like, why can't we get an answer to that question? So the whole thing that this tape shows that he didn't kill himself is like a joke. But worse than that, it's a joke that we all get. Like, they're not fooling anybody. So I feel like we're at a dangerous point now. Yeah, I agree because the lie is more indicted. The lie at this point is not even part of trying to convince any of this is true.

Yes, yes. The lie is a signal to everybody else involved in the scheme that to the ultimate ends, the United States government will go to protect all of you. Yes. And that's the question for what purpose. Can you say that again? Yes. It's, I'm sorry, it's a signal.

The lie is not. for you and me. The lie is for those implicated to say no matter what we will protect you. And then we have to start asking the question, why? As in what is the purpose of this entire thing? Why does it matter that it happens right before the Israeli Prime Minister comes to Washington for the third time? As you said, what is the linkage here between those two? And the linkage is the fact that even a, you know, even a surface level view of Jeffrey Epstein of the case, the entire public record reveals Alex Acosta, who said he belonged to intelligence. He said that, the person who was responsible for the sweetheart 13-month deal.

Alex Acosta, who was the U.S. attorney, said, I believe he testified this in sworn testimony, said, I was told he belonged to intelligence. That was a key part of why the charges were dropped against him. and, you know, he got some sweetheart Palm Beach County Jail situation where he was allowed to leave on the weekends. And why, even though I know you'll forgive George, but I actually won't. I don't have dinner with pedophiles. I'm not sure about you. I'm generally aware of the people who I am around.

And if I can get invited to someone's house, I do cursory Google searches. That's generally what, you know, I think that's normal. I don't want to be in the presence of people who I think are, like, genuinely evil. That's what I think. So for me, I actually can't forgive many of the media figures and the, the presidents, people like Bill Clinton, Kevin Spate, all these other high-profile figures, specifically because it was all out in the public record. And then in particular, all of these high flying Wall Street financiers and Deutsche Bank,

remember they were fined, I think it was the New York Financial Services. I read that entire report. It's one of the most extraordinary reports I've ever seen because they specifically talk about how the bank ignored almost every single one of its own procedures that it would apply to any other client. And that at the highest levels, and remember, I think is the Barclays CEO, he's already been in trouble for this, for covering up much of this in one of the largest financial institutions in the entire world. You know, for example, Tucker, if you and I keep going to the bank and withdrawing $9,900 in cash,

and we do it for a couple of weeks, our banking institutions are supposed to call, you know, both the IRS and the DOJ and say something is going on here. And they will. And they will. And they should, right? That is what this is done for a reason. He did this for years. And the classification that the bank accepted was it was just for tips.

This is what I mean about the highest level of the cover up and what the cover up means for the system itself. And something you and I were talking about recently is I really believe here that I've never believed it more, that in a sense, you know, for elected government and for all the benefits of our republic and of representation, that elites actually have always mattered. And of course, they're the ones who run. They're the ones responsible for channeling public energy. This is the way that we're set up into law, into policy, etc.

And so this lie was a signal to the elites. It was a signal to Versailles. It was a signal to the court that the court will always be protected no matter what. And it's enraging at a moment when the court has never been more reviled by the public. It's not just a spit in the face of the public. It really is like a late, you know, it's a late 1700s kind of signal to the court that we will protect this institution. Yeah, absolutely. And I agree with everything that cigar is saying here. And that is the reality. I think that it was a signal. That is what it was when Pam Bonnie and all these people came out on mainstream media. It's like they completely switched her tune. And it was because they wanted to make a very clear message to the people involved that don't worry, we got your back. We're going to protect you. And that is what is sickening to me. And it's especially sickening because as we've said before, like, you know, we want administration to be transparent. We want someone. in office that's going to hold the people accountable that need to be held accountable.

And no more of this bullshit sweetheart deals for people that are elites or the people that are really in power, they care more about those than they care about you. And I think that is the very clear message here. And I think that's why a lot of people feel kind of sick like Alex Jones, like me over the past few days, where I've just been like, damn, you know what? It's just crazy. It's crazy that no matter what and who is in office, it doesn't matter. They're really not the ones that are.

control and Trump is not in control. I don't care what anybody says. He may be in control of some assets as long as he abides by these certain rules. And these rules are that you protect the people that are under this umbrella of protection because they are elites, because they are the high authority of our government or other governments, which I think make up the globalist regime. I think there is definitely a very evil asset to all this. I think there is a good versus evil. And I think that a lot of what this administration among other administrations in the past have done is cover for evil rather than good like you know we need people in office that are going to go out and fight the good fight per se i mean that's cliche to say but no that that no matter what it means for you

you have to be the one that is the purveyor of truth you have to be the person out there actually fighting for the people that you represent and as a president or as FBI or as attorney general, your job is to answer to the American people. Your job is to do what the American people want you to do. And that right now, nobody feels like this administration is doing what they want them to do. Let me ask the question that everyone's probably asking. You know, these people are being blackmailed. Why are we hiding that?

Yeah. Like what are we protecting? What is that going to help or not? not help. Well, I just think it's, if we came out with the Epstein files or the list or the people that are like actually committing the acts of having underage sex with these people and they're prosecuted. Yeah.

Why are we protecting them and why are they being blackmailed? Like, what is the underlying thing? Because they have, they have the ultimate power, which is influence. They have the ultimate power, which is weaponry against everybody. and I think it would probably surprise a lot of people that if they brought every one of those people that had sex with underage kids to the White House steps and put them out on the lawn, the amount of faces that you would know, the amount of names that you would know would be shocking. It would be shocking. And we're not talking about just politicians. We're talking about celebrities here.

Absolutely. And world leaders and people that, you know, would implicate countries and intelligence and national security as they say. say, even though it has nothing to do with national security, it has everything to do with just protecting the assets and protecting the people that really run the show, because that is why the government is so corrupt. The government is corrupt because of these blackmail operations they have going on. They've had these forever, and they have these because of how dirty these assholes are. And they are a part of the evil, evil cabal.

That's why even in, even in Bohemian Grove, where they worship Malak, you know, and, and they do it at the World Economic Forum, which is this, you know, it's kind of like a dity of Satan. Right. And they do this. They've done this for years. This is a ritualistic thing. And they're all a part of, in my opinion, I think this goes back to bloodline. And this is something that James and I have talked about, which we're going to be talking about very soon.

We're going to have James on, I think Sunday. James has a new podcast coming out. It's actually already out. And it's called the Bible Sessions podcast. But we're going to talk to James, I believe Sunday. Then we're going to go on his show. and we're going to talk a little bit about this as well. Like how much actually does evil play into this?

And is there actually still some blood from the Nephlam and from the watchers that still exist today that are really running the show of the world? Yeah, you did accuse me of being a Nephlam. Oh, shut up. No, I did not. All right. But I want to play this before we go. This was on Pierce Morgan. And this just happened yesterday.

He had an episode on Texas flood disaster. but he also talked to Ted Cruz, and he talked to Jeffrey Epstein's brother. And this is what Mark Epstein had to say about all of the recent going ons behind the scenes of the Epstein files. Listen. Coming on the phone now is Mark Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's brother. Mark, good to have you back on Unsensored. Thank you. Good to be here.

We spoke about a year ago. If I could just ask you, first of all, your reaction to the Trump administration effectively saying, it's now shutting down any ongoing investigation into the Epstein files, as they put it. What is your reaction to that? Well, you know, I've never really been that much involved with or cared about the Epstein files as far as the charges against them. I had nothing to do with that. I wasn't part of it.

As I explained last time, my concern is the fact that he was most likely killed in prison. That's what I'm concerned about. And the fact that they're trying to hide that or trying to shoot. that and trying to put it off as a suicide where everything else points against suicide, that's what I'm concerned about. There's been a lot of, every time they say something or do something, like release this video, they're just digging themselves deeper into the hole. It seems like the lies are closing in on it.

So explain to the viewers exactly why you believe your brother didn't take his own life and somebody else took it. Okay. Well, first of all, when I first heard that he was dead from the first. parent suicide, I had no reason to doubt it. I figured, well, you know, he's in prison, what he was facing, you know, he didn't have children, or the parents are gone. I figured, okay, if he decided to take himself out, I would just respect that. But then, you know, we did the autopsy the next day, and the city pathologist who did the autopsy with Dr. Barton there,

they both came out of the autopsy room, and they said that they couldn't call it a suicide because it looked too much like a homicide. That wasn't my suggestion. That was them, the professionals. And then you get all the things that went wrong in the prison, you know, the cameras weren't working on the maximum security tier, the guards were in checking. There's just a lot of things that went wrong in the prison. And then, you know, Jeffrey was trying to appeal his bail decision. And he had a hearing coming up, and it would have been an extremely large bail that he was offering. And that hearing was coming up soon. Now, I know Jeffrey, and I thought that if he had a chance of getting bail,

he would wait to commit suicide to see if bail was denied, it would make it more plausible that he killed himself. But why would he kill himself literally days before he had a chance of getting bail? That doesn't make any sense. And that's another thing. And then when you hear the statements that come out,

like when Bill Barr first said, he saw the videotape, and he saw that nobody would enter out of the tear because the camera outside of the tier was working. He said no one went in or out of the tear. That convinced him it was a suicide. Well, that was a blatantly naive statement from the top law enforcement official of the United States because there were 11 or 12 of the prisoners on that tier that could have killed somebody on the tier.

And also conversely, to think somebody could get to that door, go inside, kill somebody at least through that door, completely undetected is just asinine because there's six levels of security before you get to that door. So if he was killed, it wasn't by somebody going into the tier and coming out of the tier. It was somebody already on the tier, or he was killed when they locked up the tier at 10 o'clock at night or 10.30 at night before. Let me just remind you, so we had this conversation a year ago, but just for the record, do you believe that your brother was guilty of very serious sex crimes? The only thing I know he was guilty of is that he was with girls that were too young. all the other crimes and accusations

I have no clue I was involved I wasn't there I hadn't seen Jeffrey for a number of years before his death and I mean we were always in communication via phone or email

but we didn't he lived two you know separate worlds so I had no idea what he was doing so yeah that's the only thing I could tell I know he was good

the other stuff is not my business I wasn't involved I don't know what the charges are so I'm only concerned with the circumstances of his death And had you been in contact with him when he was in prison? When he was in prison, the last contact I had with him was the night before he got arrested.

He was in Paris. He called me from Paris that night, just a normal brotherly call, you know, check up on each other. And then the next day he flew home to Tadipar Airport, he was arrested at the airport. His attorneys called me and told me he was arrested. The last conversation I had with Jeff was the night before he was arrested. He was obviously convicted of a paedophile crime many years previously. Did he ever... He was convicted of prostitution or involved in prostitution or something.

That was in Florida in 2006 or something. With an underage girl, though? Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, so that's a crime. I mean, that's made him a paedophile. Yeah, he said to you're in jail for that, yeah. So I guess my question is, as his brother, after that, did you have any discussions about that criminal offense that he was found guilty of?

I told him to make sure any even the future situation of girls that are not underage. What seems very clear is that he ignored that advice and carried on having all these girls. I don't know about that because from what I understand, what he was being charged with more recently, was stuff that took place back then. I haven't heard of charges since that 2006 or 2008, whatever he got out. I haven't heard of charges that he was with underage girls after that. I haven't heard that. Maybe he was.

But I didn't hear charges about that. The charges I was aware of took place back then. And part of his, I know part of his defense was going to be that when he made that deal back in 2006, he had a non-prosecution agreement with the government. after that. So it seemed like they were trying to prosecute them for things that he was supposed to have been, you know, safe from. So I don't, like I said, I don't know if he was with, I don't know if there's charges that he was with underage girls after, you know, 2006, that episode. But obviously, you will know the same things that we've all read about your brother, which is that

he had this island. He took a lot of underage girls there. A lot of them have made very serious allegations about being raped and sexually assaulted and abused, and the other rich, powerful people, men were also involved, none of whom have been brought to justice. What do you feel about that? That we would have heard about some of these men? Why aren't these called victims? Why aren't they naming names? Well, the suggestion is, there's been a, the suggestion is, Marl, So there's been a big cover-up to prevent those names being released. Well, but, you know, people know who these victims are. The attorneys know who these victims are.

They could come out and say it. I mean, the Trump administration now says case closed. Do you think it should be closed, or should there be further investigation to establish exactly who else may have been involved? Well, again, I'm not concerned about that, to be honest with you. I mean, if wrongdoing was done, people should be punished. but I don't know that wrongdoing's been done. I know that I'm concerned about my brother's likely murder. The Trump administration...

The Trump administration is also making it very clear that from all their investigations, they believe it is indisputable and 100% certain that your brother took his own life. Well, yeah, because who were they protecting? Look, when Bill Barr made the statement about, It was a suicide because no one went in or out. When Cash Patel makes a statement saying that you know a suicide when you see it.

My question to him was, how many suicides have he seen? Okay, where you take Dr. Roman and Dr. Barton, who did the actual autopsy, and they came out of the autopsy, and they said this looks more like a homicide than a suicide. Then how does the Trump administration say overrule that? Dr. Biden has done about 500 autopsies on prison suicides over the last. 50 years. There's very few people with that kind of experience. And he's saying that to him, this was not a suicide. It's a homicide. So yeah, anyone in the Trump administration could say, I don't think so, but what's their backing? Like when Cash Patel said, you know, a suicide,

when you see it, how many suicides has he seen? Is he a forensic pathologist? Is he a doctor? you know, it's a laughable matter that he can come out social where months ago he was saying that it wasn't a suicide. What is your message mark to President Trump? Bondi, you got Patel, you got bought, all of these people work for Trump, okay? So if they're covering up for somebody,

who do you think they might be covering up for? So you think they're covering up for President Trump? People look at all of us. Everybody is working with us. little pieces of this and coming up with kind of theories. But people really take the time, because there's a lot of facts, there's a lot of information, people who take the time and really investigate this thoroughly, all come to the pretty much conclusion that maybe Trump was behind us.

Wow. Maybe Jeff was killed as to cry them. You think President Trump has something to do with Epstein, your brother, being killed? I wouldn't write that off. Because if you look, there you go. Yeah, but he's not concerned about what his brother did prior to his suicide slash murder. He's only. Concerned about who killed him.

Yeah. And he's not worried about what he did. And he's pretty much blaming Trump. And I just disagree with this guy. Well, who knows? I mean, you don't know. And unfortunately, he makes at least one good point. I mean, all these people that are saying this now that it was a suicide.

I know a suicide when I see him is what Cash Patel said. And I agree with him. It wasn't a suicide. I think his brother was murdered. And I think there was good reason for him to be murdered. Yes. And like he said, I mean, the medical examiner that came out after 500 prison suicides, murders, whatever.

And he said, look, this is not a suicide. This was a murder. And then Cash Patel was like, nope, it wasn't a murder. Sorry. I've seen a suicide. I know what a suicide is when I see one. I've probably seen more suicides than Cash Patel has just being in the fire department, you know, whatever. And who knows?

Maybe Cash Patel's seen suicides, but regardless, he's not a freaking medical examiner. And how hardcore this administration is going to try to cover up and protect whatever it is they're protecting or covering up is nuts. Well, it was just really crazy that Cash Patel didn't think it was a murder or he didn't think it was a suicide a couple months ago. Yeah, of course. I mean, and Dan Bongino didn't. I mean, all these people promised the American people, all these things. And now they're like, nope, sorry, guys. Case closed.

Let's just forget this just like we forgot about JFK and MLK and all of this. And most people don't even realize about MLK. You know, Martin Luther King was murdered. And they had a trial. We've talked about on many episodes. We actually had an episode on the Martin Luther King Jr. murder. And they had a trial that lasted, I think, five weeks where the court and jury.

I think it was nine weeks. Maybe it was nine weeks, yeah, where the court and jury. came to the conclusion that the United States government was the responsible party of Martin Luther King's death. So, but you know, we have Martin Luther King Day every, you know, every year. We talk about it in our schools. We do all these things. But no one ever talks about how he was murdered. And don't you think that would be a very important piece of information for people to know that, hey, guys, your government killed Martin Luther King Jr.

I mean, you know what I mean? But no one ever talks about that. They just want to brush under a rug. he was this guy that, you know, was bringing, and that was a problem in MLK. He was bringing people together. Government couldn't have that. You had to, you had to maintain divide. And the civil rights movement, it's like what Jesse Lee Peterson said.

The civil rights movement in some ways was a bad thing. You know, they should have done it differently, but that was when the government essentially came into the black community and controlled them ever since. And, you know, there's a lot of people that talk about that. But MLK was one of those out there. He was trying to unify. He was trying to bring people together. And when you have it.

a government that wants to keep people divided because they have to. That's the only way you can control a large population like you do. You cannot have the population in whole go against the government in whole because if that happens, that becomes a really, really big problem. So there's reasons why you have to have intelligence agencies. And those intelligence agencies are not just out there to gather information and protect America's homeland from foreign and from foreign terrorism or domestic terrorism. They're also there to run a lot of, sciops to make sure that people stay divided to where they can continue to control the mass of population.

And now once you leave the United States and then you start having the factions or groups or countries that are also doing this. So say Israel or say also the World Economic Forum, say the globalist like the Bilderberg group where they meet literally once a year, just like the World Economic Forum. And they figure out how to manipulate the world and how to get countries more involved in their globalist movements, you know, get them closer to a world currency or a central bank digital currency, which we're basically already there. You know, how do you get these countries to conform?

Well, you got to do things like open borders. You have to divide the people on a mass level. You have to have mass immigration to where the, you know, the things that people once loved and cared about their country no longer exists anymore because then it becomes just a massive influx of everybody around the world in one country to where there is. is no pride in that country anymore to where eventually the country falls. And this has happened throughout history. It happened in the Roman Empire.

It has happened time after time after time again. And guys, let us know what you think about this. Let us know who do you think is really responsible for the Epstein blackmail ring. Do you think it was our own intelligence? Do you think he was just, do you think he just suicided himself? And it was just all Jeffrey Epstein? Or do you think there was some massive involvement from other. nations.

We're going to leave it there because this has been a decently long episode, but we're going to close it with Supernova by Holman and Gamma Skies. Until next time, guys, we love you. Peace out, guys. Peace out.