Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Erika Kirk Responds to Candace Owens & MTG Trump Fracture

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

Tonight’s episode gets straight into the fire. We’re looking at Erika Kirk’s reaction to the wave of conspiracy theories swirling around the attempted assassination of Charlie Kirk, and why she decided to push back publicly on Fox News. We break down what she said, what she didn’t, and how her response fits into the larger media storm surrounding this moment. Then we turn to Marjorie Taylor Greene. Her split from the MAGA movement has become impossible to ignore, and her recent sit-down on 60 Minutes only added fuel to the conversation. We dig into the interview, the tension building behind the scenes, and what her shift might mean for the movement going forward.Check out our merchandise store with fresh new winter gear

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I'm your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're getting to a couple of already heated topics that are making waves. First up, we're going to talk about Erica Kirk's response on Fox News to the conspiracy theorists who are basically questioning the motive or who's behind the assassination of Charlie Kirk. We'll lay out what she had to say, why she's pushing back against these theories, and what this means in the broader media landscape. And then we're going to pivot to Marjorie Taylor Green. She's been making headlines again, this time for a pretty noticeable split within the MAGA movement

and she just had a big 60 minutes interview. We'll break down what she said, what's causing the rift, and what it could mean for the future or faction of the party. Guys, welcome to the show. It is December the 10th, 2025. The name of this song is Flying Colors by Daxton. And obviously, we have been seeing Erica Kirk make her waves on,

especially Fox News over the past few days. She's almost been on nearly every show on Fox News. And in this, she has responded on a couple of shows, in specific to the conspiracy theorists that have questioned the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Now, obviously, it sounds like that the main person that she's really going after here, likely is Candace Owens. Obviously, Candice Owens has, over the past couple of months, has engaged in this,

I guess you can say, investigation as some people call it, and some people call it evil. Some people say that Candice Owens is the most evil person on the internet today. And obviously, we have covered this story since the assassination, of Charlie Kirk ourselves. There is some things that does not add up. There's a lot of people that believe this as well, whether it be people that have been prior FBI agents, whether it be people that are gun experts, there are some things that do not add up.

But what the mainstream media and the government want to make us believe is that you should definitely trust the FBI no matter what and everything they say is true and that nobody should question anything when it comes to the actual assassination on that day. And people like Candace Owen should not. be saying things because it's going to hurt the family is going to hurt erika kirk the grieving widow but is that true should kandis owens be actually going out there on the limb be investigating or should she actually kind of hold back until the trial not really say a lot let things go as they should let the government handle this because we know the government is all and all knowing and all trustworthy

i mean they've never botched an investigation whatsoever and they've obviously also never been involved anything now i'm not saying that the government government was involved in Charlie Kirk's assassination. But what I am saying is is that at the very least, when Erica Kurt goes on Fox News and says, I am sick of people in particular that are making hundreds of thousands of dollars every episode by talking about the people that I am very close to, including my husband that I lost, but also my colleagues, the people that are under me at Turning Point USA. I just can't stand for that anymore.

And we got to do something about it. And the reality is, Candice Owens has said a lot. She has, she has been involved in a lot of things since this investigation into the assassination. She has went as far as to say that there could be a foreign government involved. She has not necessarily ever said herself that she believes Erica Kirk is involved. No, but she even points fingers towards his.

own organization. Yeah. Turning point. Yeah, absolutely. And so, and, you know, with that, Sherry, is that how many times of what Candace Owens has said, did it actually come out that Turning Point USA or at least people within Turning Point USA was specifically either misleading people on what Charlie Kirk was either saying before his death or the text messages that happened that then Candace Owens exposed.

Yeah. And they pretty much flat out lied about things. Yeah. And there's like at least 10 to 10. 10 to 12 lies or somewhere around there that as they responded or as they said certain things, you know, certain individuals in the turning point USA organization that Candace Owens basically exposed them. And then obviously if you look on X or social media right now and especially X and I don't

know if it's just my algorithm, but I know that a lot of people are seeing this, you know, it's hard to get on X without seeing this battle between everybody and Candace Owens because that's what it appears. It is the way they're making it appears like if you are. on Candice Owen's side right now in any way, shape, or form, then you are psycho and you are crazy, and you must go get your head examined, and you really should not even be allowed to talk. Unless you're paid. And are you being paid right now?

Because a lot of people have even asked us. And I'm like, what? How would we be being paid? Who's paying us? Yeah. I don't know. When we're going against the system. Yeah.

And we go against the system all the time. I mean, and then the reason for that is because the writing is on the wall and so many different things. And we always question things, right? I think questioning the truth, rather than trying to betray what you are, what is your opinion, and then trying to relay it to other people's fact, that's a different story, right? And so we try to do our very best with, as we examine things like the Charlie Kirk assassination or like the Israel Hamas conflict or whatever the case might be, Ukraine, Russia, the Trump presidency, the Biden-Harris presidency, we do our very best to like look at our opinions and then also see like what is the most factual

evidence that we have and if we don't have a lot of factual evidence then we will question things for sure but you know we're also not a podcast or influencer right now that is getting insider information through sources at organizations that were connected to people and apparently it Candace Owens was getting inside sourceful information from people inside of Turning Point USA and you know, as you looked at a lot of these text messages that were coming out, 48 hours prior to Charlie Kirk's assassination, and when people like Josh Hammer and some others were going out there and saying, look, Charlie Kirk was completely 100% loyal to Israel until the day he died.

He never mentioned anything about this loyalty to Israel. He never mentioned or even hinted at turning his back on Israel, any of this stuff. You know, that was one of the things that Candace Owens exposed to not necessarily be true. And we had talked about this in the last episode where we broke down the here's Morgan Nick Fuentes interview because, you know, on one side you have people like Candace Owens and, and I'm not even going to necessarily say Tucker Carlson because Tucker Carlson has really kind of tried to avoid this conversation, actually. And he oftentimes tries to avoid the conversation, at least from his perspective or opinion,

on what he believes about Israel or what he believes about the Charlie Kirk assassination. You know, he does bring people on like Nick Fuentes or others that have commented on it, which is what you're supposed to do, by the way. as a journalist that is actually investigating things. You don't necessarily, it's not really your job always to have an opinion as a journalist. It is your job to go after the stories and try to expose what is the most likely truth. That is what a journalist does. And I think Tucker Carlson actually does a very good job of that.

He does bring people of all walks of life on his show. Some of those people believe that there was some hanky-panky going on in the Charlie Kirk's assassination. Some people may think that there was nothing going on in the assassination. but either way you know he has kind of avoided that now obviously on the other side of this on the contrary is you have candis owens which has went at them and and she's one of their throat i mean let's just be honest yeah she has went at their throat and she has been heavily criticized because a lot of people believe that she's doing it for money she's doing it for evil purposes she's very distasteful as in how she is approaching it and and whether or not

she actually has credible or sourceful information they're all they're all they They've all been saying since the very beginning, even when she actually had receipts, when she had the evidence to back it up, they all were saying 24 hours prior, well, she's a liar. She doesn't have this and then she would expose it. Then the next day, she's a liar. She doesn't have this. Then they exposed it. So when are we going to see like who's going to be right in this? Are all the people right now that are being called crazy that even questioned the Charlie Kirk assassination narrative?

Are those people going to come out like the people, the same people that are questioning the COVID vaccine or the COVID response? Are those people going to be also proved right? Or is this going to be one of those things to where actually the mass was right? It was Todd of Robinson. It's a very clear and fine cut storyline of how he was involved and how he did it. Or is the people like Candace Owens and people that are question this, Ian Carroll, whoever, are they going to be the ones that are right in this? Well, I think that in my opinion, Ian Carroll is writing the coattails of Candace Owen.

Yeah, for sure. And Candice Owens is the forefront of what's going on. And if you guys go back and listen to the beginning podcasts of when Charlie Kirk was first assassinated, I didn't believe Candace Owens either. I was like, show the proof. If you have the proof, show it. Give us the evidence. And then I had to backtrack and say, oh, my gosh.

You know, when she came out with the text messages and showed the actual proof and the timestamps and everything else, I had to come back and say, oh, my gosh. I was wrong. She's right. She has proof. She has evidence. And now I'm looking at it in a whole different perspective because she did show it. Yeah.

So she's proven herself a little bit here, right? And you got to also remember, too, that Charlie Kirk, from what I understand, was her best friend and a best friend for a very long time. Yeah. Until there was a split. And I think there was a people that were actively trying to separate Charlie Kirk away from her. And especially after the daily wire split with Canada. Owens. Obviously, Daily Wire is heavily Israel influenced. You know, most people will say that Daily Wire is basically a Jewish state media group

inside of the United States. I think they're, I don't think they even really hide that. But either way, you know, they, they wanted to separate the two, right? And so although I don't necessarily think that they were the bestest of friends leading up to the assassination. But they were still texting. Yeah, they were. And in specific, Charlie Kirk would consistently say, hey, at these events, I want Candace Owens and I want Tucker Cross. And I want you to have these conversations.

I want you to have the conversations about who's right in the response on Israel and Gaza. Like what is all this conversation? And what should we be talking about in terms of Israel? And there was a lot of people that did not like that, right? There's a lot of people that got very upset at Charlie Kirk that was like, oh, no, no, no. You can't change your position now. You're stuck with what you're going for. And, you know, you are backed by Israel.

And let's face it, I think that turning point is back. by Israel a lot. They have a lot of people paying for Turning Point USA. Yeah. But my opinion is, if something ever happened to me like Charlie Kirk, what happened to him, I would want a best friend to not just stick with the narrative, but to look through the rabbit holes and say, look, Sherry was killed. We got to find out who did this.

We can't just go with the narrative. I want somebody to be on my side and make sure that whoever did this was a exposed. Yeah. Well, and even me as someone that was your husband would be also wanting the same answers. Now, obviously, turning point USA, they're very close with the government. They turnipoint USA was a huge reason why Donald Trump won in this past election. You know, they really did influence the youth. They did their very best to really kind of pivot from the leftist ideologies and the mentalities and this kind of wokeism. They did their very best. And Charlie Kirk was the main driving factor behind them doing that,

turning a lot of young minds over to conservative beliefs or values, turning more people to God, turning more people to Jesus. And we've all said that it's going to be very hard for someone to find another Charlie Kirk. And I don't think they're going to be able to do that. But, you know, obviously Erica Kirk is now the CEO of Turning Point USA. You have all these people under still the name Charlie Kirk show

because Charlie Kirk is not here. but they're all still doing podcast from the Charlie Kirk show. I think it was Jimmy Dorr just yesterday. He's like, when are you going to change a name? Because this is not the Charlie Kirk show anymore. This is Turning Point USA. And you, you know, you guys should change that name off. I know they're going to use Charlie Kirk's name as long as they can.

And maybe that's their strategy. But either way, what I will say is that, you know, since Erica Kirk has been doing this media blitz, especially over the past few days on Fox News, you know, everything has been about the books, whether it's the Charlie Kirk book, whether it is the Erica Kirk book that she has coming out. And so, you know, if someone's going to say, well, Candace, someone's is grifting, whoever's talking about the investigation on the other side, maybe they don't believe the official narrative of the government. Wow, that's so hard to believe that maybe there's people out there that don't trust the government

anymore. And especially when considering, I think it was, I don't remember who said it the other day. but just understand this. The assassination of Charlie Kirk is likely going to go down as one of the most biggest political assassinations of our lifetime. I'm talking about the waves that this is going to make, the absolute magnitude of an earthquake and what this did to the Republican Party to the United States, the way that we all move forward.

This was a very effective political assassination. one of the biggest effective political assassinations in our history. And so even with just that and understanding that, we can sit back and say, well, it's definitely Tyler Robinson. You know, he just got lucky. You know, he got lucky. He planned this. It was absolutely him.

It was just him and some guys he was talking to on Discord. And listen, guys, his boyfriend or whoever he lived with is trans. So that's all you got to think about. And he had no idea, supposedly. Yeah, no idea. But although we're likely going to find out, that's not. My love, I'm so sorry I did this, my love. Yeah.

Or, you know, when you think about that this is likely one of the biggest political assassinations that is going to have the most effect in the United States or America, do you not think that there are countries out there that would benefit from that? I mean, so even with just that basis and that understanding, should we not have people that are talking and asking questions and investigating, especially when it comes to the fact that all these miracles supposedly happened, you know, he was shot with a 30-all-6 round, but yet it somehow, he had bones of steel, like the man of steel and Superman. You know, there's so many things that just didn't add up.

And when the people to ask questions, then you're a conspiracy theorist. You're crazy. Right. You're hurting the family. Now, Erica and Turning Point USA has all these death threats, including Tim Poole, which is, you know, he freaked out, which we'll get to. We're going to play that video as well. And Candace Owen's response.

But didn't you feel? like it was interesting, and there's my word again. My word is buzzword interesting. But when Erica Kirk was coming on to all the Fox News programs and promoting Charlie's last book, it had a lot to do with Israel and the Jewish religion. And she was even talking about Shabbat Shalom. Shabbat Shalom. Yeah.

Which is a Jewish term for Sabbath, I believe. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not the one that's Jewish. So either way. kept mentioning out all the interviews. Yes. Yeah.

So she would, she would find a way to say Shabbat Shalom. Shabbat Shalom in all the interviews. And that was interesting. And a lot of people kind of took note of that. There was a lot of videos that went out and said, isn't it kind of interesting? She just keeps mentioning this. And I think that maybe like a book that they're pushing out now from Charlie Kirk has to do with Israel or Shabbat Shalom. You know, so it's very weird, very interesting.

Yeah. And it's very weird because he's a Christian. Yeah. He's definitely Christian. He's not Jewish. He's not. no, he's absolutely not Jewish, but it just kind of seems like a lot of the way that some of these interviews have been taking place and, and all of this stuff, like, it's like they're trying to

make you believe he was more Jewish than Christian. So that's, that's weird. And I swear to God, Sherry and I were watching this live. And I said, what did you just say? I'm like, I think Shabbat Shalom. And I was like, is that not Jewish? I'm like, yeah, because I've heard it in my family. I don't know exactly what it means, but I know it's Jewish.

Yeah. So I was kind of blown away by that. And I was like, that's, that's pretty interesting. So what I do want to get to first, obviously, is the interview with Erica Kirk on the five today. I think it was the five. And this is where she talked specifically back to the conspiracy theorist. And she was, was passionate about it and said, you know, look, this is why I have to speak out about this. I'm not afraid of you.

You're not going to continue to talk about my employees at Turning Point USA or Charlie or you're not going to continue to question. This is what I want you to do. do. And so we'll play that. And then also just so you guys know, we're going to try our very best, as long as this doesn't go too long to get to the Marjorie Taylor Green 60 minutes interview because, you know, this is also obviously massive. You know, you have someone like Marjorie Taylor Green that was a huge reason why Trump won a lot of, in a lot of areas. She was one of his biggest campaigners. She was on almost every single news show out there promoting Donald Trump with her MAGA hat. She was at all of the rallies. She did.

everything she possibly could for Trump. And it wasn't until the Epstein files and their disagreement on this, which is what I think a lot of people disagreed with. It's like Trump came in and he called everybody a conspiracy theorist that believed in the Epstein files or actually he called Epstein files a big hoax. It was a Democrat hoax. And so if you believed in this, then you're basically a Democrat. And if you wanted to release these files, then we don't need you in the MAGA movement.

Either way, let's go ahead and get into the Erica Kirk interview. on Fox News. And this just happened today, even though she has been on this media blitz for the past couple of days. Here's what she had to say. Talk to me about this part of the conspiracies that are out there, this disturbing part that people are trying to guess where Charlie is. Can I have one thing?

Can I have one thing? Can my children have one thing? Everything was public. we will be building the most beautiful memorial for my husband at Turning Point USA, and it will be for the world to see, and it will be spectacular, and it will have basically museum style for our Charlie, for my Charlie. But can I have one thing? Can my babies have one thing where we hold it sacred,

where my husband is laid to rest, where I don't have to be worried about some secular revolutionary coming and destroying my husband's grave while my daughter is sitting there praying. One thing. This is my husband. Yes, he was Charlie Kirk to the world, and I know so many people love my husband, and I am grateful for that. But this is my husband. And I want to be able to have one thing left that is sacred to our family, to my in-laws, to my babies, and to my parents.

One thing. What are they taking from you right now? Nothing. But I will tell you what they are doing. It reminds me so much of chapter six in the book of Nehemiah. He is building a wall and the townspeople are at the base of that hill saying, Nehemiah calling him all these names saying all these things, come on down. Every single time he had the same message four times in a row.

I cannot come down. I am busy building. That is... I want to point out real quick that no one is going against Charlie Kirk on the right. you know it's kind of somewhat like what she's saying you know they're going to build this monument this this big thing that the world's going to see and she doesn't want someone to come to destroy that like it wouldn't be the right or anybody on the right that would destroy a charlie kirk monument it'd be obviously probably someone left but no one's going after charlie people are

just asking questions about like who may be responsible or a part of or behind the charlie kirk assassination if it wasn't just Tyler Robinson. So I just want to make that clear because it does sound like she's saying that, you know, you're not going to destroy his legacy. And I don't think, I think actually in some ways, some people are fighting for his legacy right now. And I know that sounds crazy. And you might also think that people like Candace Owens or people that are questioning the

narrative of the investigation are just trying to be grifters and make money for themselves. You could say that, but I just don't necessarily think that's the case. I don't think that regardless, for Candace especially, because of the media machine, if you went on X as Candace Owens right now, you would think everybody hated you, like literally everyone, except for a few people because there, it seems like they're filtering out the people that are in supportive Candace right now. And they're pushing and prompting up everyone that is against her. That's all I ever see.

Oh, I feel. I do not have time to address the noise. My silence does not mean that I am complacent. My silence does not mean that somehow turning point USA and all of the handpicked staff that loved my husband and my husband loved them is somehow in on it. We are busy building. And you know what I thought? I thought these people are human. We are all grieving in our own way.

And they are trying to find the answer to something that happened that was so evil. They are trying so hard. And I get that. We're doing the same. Anytime we hear a lead or anytime we hear anything, we send it to the other. authorities. Please dig into this. No rock will be unturned. I want justice for my husband, for myself, for my family, more than anyone else out there. So for me, you want to keep telling me to come down while we're building. I don't have time for that. But here's my breaking point

on that. Come after me. Call me names. I don't care. Call me what you want. Go down that rabbit whole, whatever. But when you go after my family, my Turning Point USA family, my Charlie Kirk show family, when you go after the people that I love, and you're making hundreds and thousands of dollars every single episode going after the people that I love because somehow they're in on this, no. You know, I have to say it, I've never seen you like this. No, I'm very, this is righteous anger because this is not okay. It's not healthy. This is a mind virus. Yes, I believe in our judicial system. I do. We have a hell of a team working on this. Excuse my French. But this is not okay. So you want to put these people back in the box where they've been creeping from? I don't care what box you're in. But just know that your words are very powerful and we are human.

team are not machines and they're not robots. They are human. We have more death threats on our team and our side than I have ever seen. I have kidnapping threats. I have, you name it, we have it. And my poor team is exhausted. And every time they bring this back up, what are we supposed to do, relive that trauma all over again? They watched my husband get murdered. I have no idea how I would have reacted if I was there that day. And thank the good Lord that I did not have to see that happen. team, they are rocked to the core. So why every single day did they have to be dragged through the mud analyzed, hyper-analyzed? You know, the conspiracies that are out there, all of the like, do you think that there is more of it now because you do shine your light? I mean, did people

just expect you would just go away? I don't know what they expected. I don't know what they expected. They pick on you because of your accessories. I mean, I've seen some of it. Oh, yeah. No, at this point, it's what, the conspiracy collection. Get it before Christmas. Like, seriously. If you want to find and pick me apart, go right ahead. I do not care. I don't.

This was happening before Charlie was murdered. Both of us have been through the ringer of people will call you, whatever they want to call you. All right. So there's Erica Kirk today. And, you know, there's a couple ways to look at this. Number one, she is a grieving widow, you know, she did lose her husband. she, you know, I can only imagine how hard it would be to lose my wife, to lose Sherry, especially in a political assassination like this.

You know, I, and I try to think about like how I'd react to this. And I would also wonder and question like if I had an organization like Turning Point USA or if you did and I was the spouse of that organization. Right. And there were people or a great friend of yours, for example, that had worked with you for years and years and years that came out and said, look, these things are not adding up. This is not making sense. And by the way, it's not just Candace Owens that is saying that a lot of stuff in the official

report that we have so far, which or the unofficial report we have so far, just doesn't make sense, doesn't add up whatsoever. I just try to think like how I would think about this. And even if you had the organization and I was your spouse and then say a very close friend of yours to help build, you know, that organization or even a couple of them, started coming out and saying, well, why are you not answering this? And I started hearing from people that were lying that did lie. And then that person that was your friend called them out on some of those lies.

I couldn't help but to question it, right? Because obviously, the number one person that should be getting to the bottom and would want to get to the bottom of actually, you know, let's look at all the conspiracy theories. Let's look at everything because like whoever it was, whether. is Tyler Robinson, or whether there was some other deeper faction of people that killed you, I would want to know all those things. I wouldn't want to be working with Candace or whoever. I would say, Candice, anything you have for me, let me know.

If you find out someone's lying in the organization that she built that you also helped at one point in time build, let me know and let me know why they're lying. I will go look and I will find this out. I would be too. I'd be exactly the same way as you. if somebody assassinated you and you had this huge company and I was trying to take over the company, but then your best friend, just say your best friend, came to me and said, look, Sherry, I don't think it was this lone killer.

I think other things are happening and this is why. And here's the receipts. This is what's going on. But has Candace and Erica ever even spoke to each other? I don't know. I don't think so. But I would be picking up the phone and saying, look, best friend, Chad, best friend. what's going on and why do you think these things?

Because I want to know too. Because if it was something more than a lone killer, like just this crazy kid that killed my husband, I want to know the truth. Yeah. And I at least want to know what those, you know, what those possibilities are. Like, what evidence do you have? You know, especially all the things that Candace talks about. And, you know, she has revealed a lot of this stuff, right? But I, you know, even the stuff that maybe Candace still has, right?

If I was that person on the other side, if I was Erica Kirk, maybe. I might, and I'm not Erica Kirk, so I'm not saying that. But if I was in her position. But she also says you, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but she said she's so busy with the business and the corporation and going forward and building it bigger and stronger. She doesn't have time, basically is what I heard in a way. And for that, that she doesn't have time to look into all this stuff. But thank God, Charlie Kirk does have a best friend that wants to look in it.

Yes, is she making money? I'm sure she's making money. but she is also bound and determined not to give up on this and don't think she's not getting death threats and getting all kinds of craziness on her side. Yeah, we actually talked about that as far as the French government. Now, keeping in mind also is like, could Candace Owens be doing this as a grift? Could this all be lies? Do I, okay, let me give you my 100% honest man.

And do I think Candace Owens is intentionally trying to cause and stir up bullshit or intentionally trying to lie on the death of Charlie Kirk. I 100% do not believe that to be true. Now, could Candice Owens maybe be misguided in some of her investigative work? Possibly. Obviously, there's always that possibility. Just like there's a possibility that Tyler Robinson is not the only guy or the only faction of people that had something to do with the assassination.

It's also possible that Candace Owens could be wrong. She could be completely wrong. And so you have to think about that. But all we're saying here is that, and we're not blaming or victim blaming or any of that stuff of Erica Kirk. Listen, if everything is what it is and everything's on the up and up and whatever, Erica Kirk's grieving. And regardless, she's likely grieving. I mean, she's been, she was married to him. I don't know how long, what few years or four or five years, I guess.

I don't know exactly. But either way, you know, you lost your husband. You're a grieving widow. That's got to be very hard. It's going to be something that is going to be extremely hard to get through, especially now you're taking on turning point USA, but turning point USA was a huge organization. And you also have to remember like what Charlie Kirk did actually say 48 hours prior to his assassination.

It was getting to him. You also got to remember what he told Candace Owens one day in a text message and he said, I think that what I'm doing and what I'm involved in and this movement, how big it is and what I say is going to be what kills me. I am going to die a young death. And I believe that. It kind of came to me. I had a vision of this.

So Erica Kirk is taken on all of this. She's taken on this entire organization that led Charlie Kirk to a lot of the stuff he said on podcast, a lot of the things he said 48 hours prior to his death, the fact that he felt like that he was going to be dead soon within 48 hours. Or, you know, he had mentioned that within 48 hours of his death also. But it is really crazy to me that on all these interviews on Fox News, the last couple days, with Erica blitzing all Fox News, they don't ever talk about that. that. No. Well, they can't. They don't bring that up at all.

No, they can't. But they know the conspiracy theories out there. They know what people are talking about. If it were me, I would be like, you know what? We're going to come face to face with this and we're going to talk about it. And this is what I think. Yeah, let's evaluate it. Let's look at the text.

Let's look at some of the videos that Charlie Kirk and what he had said before. Let's see if this is even a possibility. Let's see what the donors are and who the donors are to turning point of USA. Can Erica, would you be willing to like just show the donors and show, internal conversations about what, you know. And if anybody has his text messages, she does. Oh, yeah, for sure. Absolutely.

But like I said, you also have to keep in mind that this is a, an organization that was making massive waves. And it goes back to even what I said is like if, if there was a reason for someone to be politically assassinated, Charlie Kirk was a great reason because of how big of a movement he created and how much. he was influencing our youth and especially, and I always go back to this. And I'm not saying that I know at all who was involved. I'm just saying that if you have some things here and there that really started to kind

pinpoint or just say certain things, I mean, it could be coincidence. All of that could be coincidence. The videos that he went on, the podcast he went on, the text messages, the fact that some Turnipoint USA employees were lying about those text messages that then got revoked. build that they had to address, you know, yeah, that could be a coincidence, but the fact that you're downplaying it as much as you are, not even ever mentioned again and then calling out the ones that exposed that and said that you didn't know, you're lying about this and then calling her evil because of that, like, what side are you on? Like, what is more believable to you in

your opinion? Now, I want to get to the next clip. So Tucker Carlson actually went on Theo Vaughn. This is a short clip, but they got into this conversation. It's about three or four minutes and Tucker really has never actually spoke publicly about the Charlie Kirk assassination or who he felt like may be responsible or if the FBI was doing a good job, any of that stuff. And so this came out, I believe it was just yesterday. And Sherry and I watched most of it. But this one particular clip, Tucker had to actually come out today and respond to what he said

in this clip. He had to say something about it because of all the backlash. he just got just for saying this. I mean, he got hell rained on him yet again because they're trying to get rid of people like Tucker Carlson. They're trying to get rid of people like Candace Owens. They're trying to get rid of anyone that questions a narrative that used to be, you know, if you were a conservative or Republican or a truth seeker, you know, we used to be like,

hey, let's release the Epstein files. We got to find out who these damn pedophiles or, you know, all the pedophiles are so that we can actually have justice for the victims. But now it's like, oh, if you say that, well, You're Marjorie Tether Green. You're exited out of Congress. You're Thomas Massey. You're Rand Paul, which is one of our great leaders during the COVID-19 pandemic that really did go up against Dr. Anthony Falsci.

And now he's questioned a little bit of like, what is the Trump administration doing? Is the Trump administration really in charge? But all of the people right now that are questioning anything outside of the narrative are being expelled from what they call MAGA. They're being expelled from the conversation. And they are utilizing in heavy ways. The social media influence, they're utilizing money. They're utilizing big tech, just like the Democrats did. They're just doing it in a different way now.

And I think there's someone new in charge or new in town. There's a new sheriff in town now. And I think it's pretty obvious. But it's not necessarily Trump and someone else. Here's what Tucker and Theo talked about about this issue. Really? No, yeah. And I love his wife and know his wife well.

And so I feel emotional about it. I just haven't wanted anything to do with it. But I will say a couple of things. I don't understand the official story at all. Of this assassination? I don't. I don't understand it. And I want to make sure that there is a truly rigorous and honest federal investigation of it.

And I'm definitely concerned about that. A, B, the, I think that one of the, I don't know many of the detainees. but I know that recently, Candace said that Egyptian registered aircraft were following Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow around for a number of years in different places in the world. That's one of the weirdest things I've ever heard,

and I just want to say that that is factually true. That's true. So that's like the one data point that I happen to know is true. What does that mean? I have literally no idea. I can't even guess, but that's very, very strange.

And what is Egyptian? could mean aircrafts from Egypt? Who knows? I think that they were registered in Egypt. Got it. But that fact is true. So I, that enough. And it also, her claim that, you know, there were kind of a disproportionately large

number of foreign registered cell phones at the event. That's also true. So what does that add up to? I don't know. But it means that, you know, the FBI has a moral and legal obligation to, to look in every direction and to be open-minded as you would in any investigation, in journalism, and science, it's all the same process. I don't know the answer, and I'm going to sift through everything as open-mindedly as I can,

as honestly as I can to get to what the truth is. That's, again, that's science, that's law enforcement, that's journalism. It's all the same. That's justice. And I just want to make sure that is happening. And I just don't have a ton of confidence in the FBI or the men who run it. and I'm not saying that out of ignorance at all. That's a scary part too.

What Candace is saying is clearly causing a lot of turmoil. Is it true or not? I can't assess it. I'm not the FBI. I'm a freaking podcaster, but I do know how the system works and it's really simple. The FBI has this case and, of course, the state of Utah. It's their job to not only find out what happened,

present it to the public in a way that restores some confidence that you can like have justice in this country, that we have functioning law enforcement. I don't have confidence in that because there's a lot of evidence that we don't have that. So restore confidence by being honest and telling a story that makes sense. So why, if they don't do that and they haven't done that, they have not done that, how can you be mad at Candace Owens or anyone else for filling a vacuum that they left? Yeah.

Well, Candice is back. Okay. No. The people with the authority are the ones responsible. and they're the ones who should be held responsible when there's a failure. Not some podcaster, not me, not you, not Candace, the people whose job it is. And their default assumptions is we acted alone. Really?

Why do you think that? What about life suggests that people typically act alone? What was the last time you acted alone in anything? I don't go, you know, right? So A, B, we know that people had four knowledge of this because they posted about it on X and said, Charlie Kirk is going to be killed on this date. And he was. Is that true?

Yes, it's true. Were they just guessing? Was it a guessing thing? Or every day they posted that? Maybe. Maybe. Have those people been interviewed? Have they been hauled into FBI HQ and had a long conversation with how they knew that? Like, let's get really specific. Why did you post that? Who have you talked to? Like, if I were doing this investigation because I spent my whole life doing non-criminal investigations called journalism, like what do we know is true? How do we find out? Call everybody. Be open-minded. It's like a very, it's the same process.

If I was doing this investigation, they would be at the very top of the list. We know, because we've got public postings on Twitter that people know, just like a 9-11. We know people bet against American Airlines and the banks that were in the World Trade Centers. They shorted those stocks. Those people clearly had foreknowledge of 9-11. Who were those people? We still don't know. So I would start there.

So you're saying that just the fact that there could possibly be some fore-knowledge to be investigated? Well, there was four-knowledge because I saw the tweets. And so there were, I saw at least two that said, you know, everything is going to change when Charlie Kirk gets to, the college in Utah. Okay. So those people, I'm not saying they're a part of a conspiracy, but they have, there's evidence that they had foreknowledge. Okay, so that's where you begin.

And then I could go on. Like, tell me how this guy who seemed normal became a radical trans furry murderer. It's not enough to tell me, oh, trans. I'm not pro trans, by the way. But was that the guy or his boyfriend? Well, exactly. Exactly right. Tell me how this guy became so radicalized that he murdered a stranger.

I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm saying I want an explanation for how it happened. Why wouldn't I? I agree. Why do people like Candace so much? She's an amazing broadcaster. Yes. Because they sense in her, she might be wrong.

Is she lying to me? Not on purpose. They sense the purity of her intent. That's the truth. And I can say as someone has dealt with government officials my whole life, I'm not vouching for everything Candace claims. I don't even know a lot of what she claims because I'm working on their stuff. and it makes me sad also.

But the point is, do I trust Candice more than I trust your average DOJ official? Are you joking? It's not even close, dude. Yeah. Not even close. And I agree. You know, because, and I think that's what people are getting lost right now is now all of a sudden we're like, well, you know, we have to trust. Well, Cash Patel is in office now.

He is the FBI director now. and we should trust everything he's done and we should trust him on his track history, which everybody got pissed off about the Epstein files. And he said he was going to expose him when he became the director, right? Yeah, absolutely. And when he did, he's like, oh, no, there's no files. They're gone. That's a hoax.

It's all bullshit. And by the way, guys, including my good buddy here, Dan Bongino, right, Dan Bonino, he did kill himself, correct? Yes, he killed himself. you know it was like it was like the life got sucked out of dan bonjino that day and also keep in mind i found it also interesting i don't know if you guys have saw the video going around and it went around for a short little time but it was dan bonjino coming out about two weeks ago or a week and a half ago or something like that he said that now he regrets pushing and peddling conspiracy theories

like he did and they were all conspiracy theories and that a lot of what he said was just not true essentially is is what i've seen no i'm not kidding me i'm not kidding i need to find video. Oh, my God. But yeah, he had said on some news, some news outlet. And he said, yeah, a lot of what I, he's like looking back is like, I did a lot of conspiracy theory peddling. And it was just.

He has signed the papers. Oh, absolutely. The evil papers. He has. He has. And so like Tucker Carlson says here, and I didn't even watch this part of the interview, I saw this clip and, and I was like, well, we got to play it because I know this is Tucker officially coming out and actually saying something about it.

You know, I didn't even know he said, like, do I think. that or does he think that kandis owens is intentionally you know trying to lie to us about the charlie kirk assassination no i i don't think she is and do i think that i believe the fbi or the do joj over kandis owens or tucker carlson no i don't because even before the charlie kirk stuff long before yes she did used to be a part of the uh daily wire she then left the daily wire uh because of you know, I don't know. She conflicts with been. Yeah, conflicts with Ben, Christianity versus Judaism, whatever.

And then of course when she said Christ is king and this was especially after the anti-Semitic protest that was going on across college campuses, they labeled her anti-Semite, which is also the same reason they were trying to push through a lot of anti-Semitism laws. And I think they have done so in Congress. And to where even saying Christ is king towards someone that is Jew, that is a, that is a, that is Jewish person could be considered anti-Semite or anti-Semitic. So regardless of all this stuff, like, do I think that Candace Owens is lying to us on purpose? No.

And do I value Candace Owens history in reporting? Absolutely. I think Candice Owens has been a powerhouse in investigative journalism for many years. I think that's why Charlie Kirk took her alongside. they both help build turning point USA. And up until the Charlie Kirk assassination and really actually up until the split with daily wire, that's when everyone started to kind of go against Candace Owens. And so, but before that, Republicans, conservatives, everybody loved Candace.

She was very smart. She did grade at investigative journalism. She investigated a lot of things. She was black and she was a Republican. and that helps Republicans a lot. Absolutely, it does. Yeah, it helps Republicans a ton. And so it was very beneficial to them at the time.

But now it's like, well, you know, she's talking about the Charlie Kirk's assassination. She's questioning people. She's questioned the narrative. And we cannot have that. But then you also have people that have went against Candace Owen, some of the biggest influencers like Stephen Crowder, like Tim Pool. And Tim Pool the other day had a meltdown. Tim Pool and Candice Owens has been going back and forth.

Tim Pool said that she's evil. She's a dean. that she's a grifter. She's just doing all this to make money. Stephen Crowder's been saying it. All the big influencers have been saying this for quite some time. And one thing I have said about Tim Pool and Stephen Crowder and all of those influencers is that they make sure that they stay in the lane.

They stay in their lane with Republicans. And that has changed. That has changed based on two or three years ago. That's why a lot of these influencers, you don't really see them criticizing the Trump administration about the release of the Epstein files or the lack of release. of Epstein files. You don't see them even question or criticizing at all Israel in many ways or the things that people are really talking about in the Republican Party. You know, just for example, everybody's like, well, it's Candace Owen's fault is why we're

going to lose midterms or 2028. And we've been saying this for six or eight months now that like if the Republicans don't realize that there is a huge faction of their base that is not buying the bullshit, then they're going to lose. And this is a great example. What just happened, the mayor of Miami, the first time in many, many years. That guy, I can't remember what his name was, the Republican. He was a Spanish guy, very well-dressed, you know, kind of GQ dude that's been down there forever. He is now losing or has lost to a Democrat in Miami for the first time in many, many years. And it's like almost every seated position that we have been able to see so far with the exception of a couple are going to Democrats.

and this is what's going to happen when now you have a party in place and now you have a certain section of your own party that don't believe you. And so they're either just not going to show up and vote and that's going to give the Democrats more votes. And it's because when you say things like the Epstein Files are a hoax or, you know, or some of your biggest influencers that helped you get there or Congress people or whoever that a lot of people followed because of their truth and transparency, those people are just not going to show up anymore.

So Timpool has been going back and forth, and he's been criticizing Candace Owens about her reporting or her investigative work on the Charlie Kirk's assassination. And so Timpool released this video the other day. And then this is Candice Owen's response to it. We have it two for one on this video. Here you go. As you fucking power scared that she'll put you on her thumbnail and claim you benefited from Charlie Kurt's assassination, what she's doing to me right now. Yeah, that was the...

I'm fucking done with these people. She has security just on the level of you. Oh, yeah, the one fat guy you mentioned with no wall and no barrier in a suburban neighbor with neighbors. She shouldn't give two f***. No one's out for her. She's lying about all of this. You told me, you went to her house, and she's got a four-foot wall and one fat guy,

and she doesn't give a shit about our security. Meanwhile, I get bullets fired at my fucking property, and I have to go live in the middle of nowhere. And I got strangers coming up to my house in Maryland, breaking... in, I got people showing up and beating, beating up the residents who try to live there. How the fuck am I even supposed to sell this property? So there's a lot to unpack there. First and foremost, what you are seeing right there is on a display of testosterone. Men that speak to women like this are not tough guys.

Okay. What you are seeing is actually a display of estrogen. Everything he is doing there is somebody who is not a man. He is not tough. And he would never dare to speak to a man like that, right? People that find that very easy. Secondly, Tim Poole doesn't even have the intellect to understand that we put him in the thumbnail because he accused me in a full episode with Milo Yanopolis, which we showed and contextualized of being someone who benefited from Charlie Kirk's assassination. So he thinks he's being, you accused me of that in like a multi, actually, I think it was two hour episode with Milo Unopolis in which Milo defended me and explained that.

I am not to blame for the lame excuses that the feds have given us regarding Charlie Crook's assassination and that if we do need to have some spiritual searching in terms of what the Republican Party has become, the time for that is now. Okay. So this little, and I really like, he's a small person for this. A very small person who is also theatrical, Timothy Smollett, who pretends every year, like people are trying to kill him. He's a chronic fence sitter, okay, pretending like he is braving the wilderness for being what,

the 110,000 person who's making a video about Candace Owens in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination. He thinks he's pioneering that. Are you out of your mind? It's only the safest thing you can do. What's next? Is he going to make a video and call Kanye West anti-Semitic? Like, that's what he's pioneering right now. Oh my gosh.

so original. Like, is he going to call Donald Trump evil in 2016? This is the storm that he's braving is jumping on the side of what everyone else is doing. He is a fundamentally weak man for what he did there. He should apologize. He won't. I don't care what happens to his platform. He's now essentially trying out because he's under financial pressure. He's trying out for Zionist to pay him. And they will, okay, they will cut him a check. And I hope it happens for you, Tim. I hope it makes you. you happy. But to do that to someone who has never done anything to you other than disagree with you about the Charlie Kirk narrative, I have not focused my content on you. And anytime your name has come up, it has been because you have explicitly been attacking me. You are a coward. You are,

you are less than a man. Okay. You are behaving. Your type right there is like a person who's having financial issues and yet decides to go out and put 100K on a poker game. And when he loses and is a further 100K in the hole, comes back home and beats his wife and kids and thinks he's a tough guy. That's how you're acting right now. I'm not your wife. I'm not your kids. Get your affairs in order and stop blaming me because I'm actually traversing down the path that hasn't been traveled by standing up and saying that something corrupt happened and Charlie Kirk was assassinated. And I don't care about your midterms. Okay?

I don't care about your next year midterms and whether or not the Republican Party is united. Okay? Because I don't want to stand next to people that would cover up Charlie Kirk's assassination. I hope that I have made my point perfectly clear. All right. So that was Candice.

We're applying to, I guess you can say, Tim Pools Meltdown. And what I will say is that people that are not going against people like Candace and Tucker right now and whoever, the people that are just staying with party lines they are devoting their lives to either Trump or whoever they're going to be i believe the people that are in the wrong i think that we're going to look back just on maybe not even the charlie kirk thing but i'm just saying everything in general like all of this we're being lied to on a regular basis and i cannot even tell you guys

how many listeners of ours because we have questioned or criticized or whatever Trump and his administration's handling of the Epstein files or their handling of whatever it is. How much hate we have got from this. I mean, I'm talking about a lot of hate. And we're not going to back down because we can't. We can't because I don't believe it. You know,

and what Candice Owen says is like, well, I'm sure that, you know, he's now pleading for someone to come along and purchase his show, give him money. Well, yeah,

and we have to remember that, you know, he came out. probably six months ago saying he can't afford his staff. He can't afford everything he's doing. It's just too much money that's going on his plate. So he had to like restrict some of the people and go back to a one man show kind of thing. But now he's got all this security supposedly in place.

And he's having to spend money on that. And he's just pissed off. Yeah. Now he's saying that he can't afford that now. Oh, and then he went after the guy, the water dude or whatever. And he's producing his own water now. Oh yeah, yeah, the water guy, yeah. Yeah, he's doing a lot to try to make as much money as he possibly can without having to do a lot for a show.

And really what I think he's doing is pleading for someone to come along and sponsor him, pay him. And so what is his kind of, I guess, offering to those people is going against Candace Owens. Like, what are you going to do for us? Well, I will go against Candace Owens. I will expose her and say whatever I possibly can. And Tim Poole and Nick Fuentes both have said that if the, the media scape and the influencers and the internet don't expose Candace Owens, then they will do it.

Tim Poul said this, and now Nick Quintz is saying this, they will do the work to expose Candice Owens. I want to also say this too, because we can't be real and not say that the divide in a large part is Israel because it is. And, you know, I actually just saw a post today. the United States has taken over an oil tanker right off the coast of Venezuela.

And I was like, well, I wonder whose tanker that was. That was my first question. I had posted on Instagram and posted on some other platforms. And I was just wondering like, whose oil tanker was it? Like, where was it going? Where was it coming from? China? Could it be Russia?

Could it be like some of those people? Yeah. And the reason why I was wondering that is because like, well, if we commandeer and sees an oil tanker say from China that is coming into Venezuela, that would be. be very bad because then China's going to be really pissed. Right. And then we're going to have, we're going to have something that we're going to have to really deal with.

But then come to find out, Pam Bondi released a statement tonight and she said that this oil tanker was headed for Iran. So they were not going to allow Iran to get this oil from Venezuela. They stopped it. We used our U.S. military to go and commandeer and seize this oil tanker going to Iran. So that's weird. Anyways. But then we've also talked about.

about we've talked about CBS. I don't know if you guys know, but like Larry Ellison and a lot of his people purchase CBS. Then you have CBS, which then went and purchased a lot of independent news outlets. I mean, I'm talking about conservative news outlets. A lot of the conservative news outlets that Republicans trusted,

they went and purchased all of these outlets. So free press, I think independent. I mean, there was a lot of them. Well, what about TikTok? Well, TikTok, well, we'll just let Benjamin Nanyahu say this himself. Here's what BB Netanyahu said a few days ago. He said, we talked about the woke right.

He said, I call it the woke Reich. That's a brilliant. The woke right, because these people, you know, they're not any different from the woke left. I mean, they're insane. They're losing. But they're actually meeting on some of the things. And what we have to do is we have to secure that part.

of our base of our support in the United States, that is being challenged systematically. A lot of this is done with money. Money of NGOs, vast, money of governments, vaster. Okay? We have to fight back. How do we fight back? Our influencers? I think you should also talk to them if you have a chance to that community. They're very important. And secondly, we're going to have to use the tools of battle. You know, the weapons change over time. You can't fight today with swords that doesn't work very well, okay? And you can't find with the fight with cavalry. That doesn't work very well. And you have these new things, you know, like drones, things like that. I won't get into that. But we have to fight with the weapons that apply to the battlefields

in which we're engaged. And the most important ones are on social media. And the most important purchase that is going on right now is class talk talk number one number one and I hope it goes through because it's it can be consequential and the other one what's the other one that's most important X X that's very good and you know so we have to talk to Elon he's not an enemy he's a friend we should talk to him now if we can get those two things. We get a lot and I could go on on other things, but that's not the point right now. We just have to take over social media guys. In particular, U.S.-based social media, especially now. That's why we had to get away from China because, you know, there was just too many

videos exposed an actual truth. So we have to buy that, which is what they basically did with TikTok, which is what they utilized Trump to do. This was kind of in the making for a while. And everyone used to call us a big conspiracy. Oh, Israel's going to purchase TikTok. That's a lie. is a conspiracy theory. No, it isn't. He just said it. And then what's next? X, he says.

X is the next thing we're going to go after. And so even though Elon Musk is a billionaire, he purchased it for $45 billion. And I'll also find it kind of interesting because, you know, when Doge was doing all of what they were doing, Doge and USAID and all that stuff, and then Elon comes out with a black eye. And then they basically split. And then Elon comes out with a toy. tweet that says Donald Trump is on the list is why he's not ever going to release this list.

He literally tweeted that or ex posted, right? And so Elon said all this shit and we are supposed to forget that. Now they're trying to bring Elon back into the good graces of the Trump administration. They're trying to get him back in. They're trying to pull him in. And as BB says, oh, he's not an enemy of ours. We can probably work on him. We can purchase this or, you know, at the very least.

we can threaten his life. All I'm saying is, as he says here, you know, infantry, battlefield, well, you know, we can do that shit in Gaza because, you know, they don't, they don't really, they're not a big influence on social media. Like how many influencers in Palestine are there that actually make a difference? So we can just blow that entire city up. But what we need to do next is we need to take control of social media. And we need to make sure that we go after the influencers.

Yeah. As he just said. And I think taking control means silencing. Silencing, but also propping up and paying influencers to speak pro-Israel, pro-Zionist propaganda. America is no longer America anymore. And I hate to say this, but it isn't. We have been taken over. The Trump administration is compromised.

But like he's saying it himself. I mean, that's like Iran saying or Syria saying or Russia saying, well, guess what, guys. you know, these U.S. based now social media companies, we're going to purchase them. We're going to infiltrate them and we're going to silence the people that are against us. And we're going to prop up and pay the influencers that are for us, right? Or the ones that maybe aren't kind of necessarily for us or against us. We're just going to pay them to make sure they are for us to where we have our battle lines, our battle plan.

He literally is calling us a battle plan. That's what he said. Yeah, because battles don't work the way they used to is what he was saying. Now it's definitely for, you know, the battles are in social media. Yeah, they absolutely are. And so he said it himself here. And so when you wonder and you ask yourself, why may Marjorie Taylor Green be splitting with Donald Trump? Well, Marjorie has taken and she keeps posting this.

She posts this meme or she post this, I guess she can say stat figure of how much money Donald Trump is taken from APEC, which is a lot of money, you know, through the Israel. lobby. And then she posts next to that, I guess, graphic. She also posts how much money she's taken from APEC, which is $0.00. And of course, what they want to say is, well, Marjorie Taylor Green is making all this money in Congress, you know, and even Tucker Carlson on the Yvonne podcast last night, is like, if you're literally going to try to call it Marjorie Thater Green for taking money from Congress, you're an idiot. Because like, look at anybody else that is in Congress. Like, don't even go there with me. But Marjorie and Taylor Green did sit down on the, this 60 minute interview, which I want to play right now, because we got to break down some things

that she says here. Because what I want everybody to understand is that we are in a very, very different political landscape than we've ever been, ever. Like this democracy, as they call it, this constitutional republic is no longer controlled by us. And the people that we think we voted in no longer really work in our best interest anymore. It was completely unforeseen, a shocker. Marjorie Taylor Green resigning. The warrior congresswoman so dogged and fierce leaving the field of battle, her alliance with President Trump shattered. Her video resignation statement last month that she'll be leaving Congress a year before her term expires came after President Trump said he would throw his support to someone else for her seat.

She became famous, some would say infamous, with her incendiary insults and belief in conspiracy theories, such as 9-11 was an inside job, and that the shooting at the Parkland School in Florida was staged. At one time, the president had no more ardent defender. But things soured over Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted sex offender accused of trafficking girls as young as 14. Does Green's defection signal a split in MAGA? Is she leaving politics for good? And exactly, why is she leaving? It wasn't a decision that I came to lightly, but it was a very important decision for myself and also for my family.

It was sudden. It was sudden, but a lot of things changed. I stood for women who were raped when they were 14 years old, and the president that I fought for for five years called me a traitor for that. And so that changed the landscape of things. So I'm going to ask you straight out. Did you surrender? Did Donald Trump run you out of town?

No. Not at all. Actually, Leslie, it's more like this is I said in my statement, I will be no one's battered life, and I meant it. And I won't allow the system to abuse me anymore. You really feel abused. You know, he did come after you pretty hard. He called you a lunatic, I'm quoting. He said all she does is complain, complain, complain in caps, and then he called you a traitor.

So he hit you, whacked you. Yes. He did this in the same time span where President Trump brought in the al-Qaeda leader that was wanted by the U.S. government, who is now the president of Syria. Then within a week, he brought in the Crown Prince, MBS, who murdered an American journalist. And then he brought in the newly elected Democrat socialist mayor of New York. That was the time span that he called me a traitor. You decided not to stay in fight.

you decided to give in. After President Trump called me a traitor, I got a pipe bomb threat on my house, and then I got several direct death threats on my son. On your son? On my son. You say the president put your life in danger. You blame him. You say he fueled a hot bed of threats against me and that you blame him for the threats against

your son. The subject line for the direct death. threats on my son was his words. Marjorie, traitor, green. I want to stop for a second because I don't know if you guys realize that how media is starting to shift as well. And what I mean by that is that the same media that used to demonize Trump, like used to put him under the freaking, like, you know, put him under the bus.

They would do anything to say that he was a felon, that he was the worst person on the face of the earth. Now these people are entertaining interviews. They're trying to call out the people that are going against Trump. So it's just interesting to me, like how things are shifting, they are changing. And it's not because that they love Trump anymore. It's because of the new factions of the powers that are behind Trump are controlling the people that are asking the questions. And I just want everybody to understand where I'm coming from with that. You know, so this interview is not to destroy Trump in any way. Sixty minutes has always hated Trump.

They've always hated President Trump. But this interview specifically was to try to almost demonize Marjorie Taylor Green in some ways. And you'll get to that in just a minute. Those are death threats directly fueled by President Trump. And I told him, I told J.D. Vance. I told them all, sent those directly to them. And response? J.D. Vance replied back to me.

We'll look into it. I got response back from President Trump that I will keep private, but it wasn't very nice. Give us a hint of what the president said. It was extremely unkind. Her life is in danger? Who's that? Marjorie Taylor Green, she says. Marjorie Trader Green.

I don't think her life is in danger. I don't think, frankly, I don't think anybody cares about her. Four more years. This new intense vitriol between them. is jarring, considering she's been one of the president's most passionate and loyal foot soldiers, often in a red maga hat. She voted with him 98% of the time. We're going to reelect our favorite president, the greatest president in United States history, Donald J. Trump, right, Georgia?

One of the president's biggest beasts with Green was about her harping on Jeffrey Epstein. We did talk about the Epsine files, and he was extremely angry at me that I had signed the discharge petition to release the files. I fully believe that those women deserve everything they're asking. They're asking for all of it to come out. They deserve it. And he was furious with me. What did he say? He said that it was going to hurt people.

I had asked him, these women are the ones that were hurt. They were raped at 14. They were raped at 16. I watched them stand in front of the press trembling, their body's shaking as they were telling their stories, many of them for the first time. And I had told him, I said, you know, you have all kinds of people come in the White House. Have these women come in the White House. These women deserve to be heard. He said to you, people will get hurt.

People will get hurt. I don't know what that means. I don't know who they are. Yeah. And unfortunately, I don't think Trump meant the victims. I think Trump meant the people that may have victimized the victims. Exactly. The people that are financing his presidency.

Yes, that or his elite friends or whoever. And look, I'm not putting this squarely on Trump. And that's just all Trump. I think the Democrats had a lot to hide also. I think this is a multi-political operation. And I think that, unfortunately, if you look at it, like, who's most, in control of the White House right now. Who's controlling Trump?

Who's controlling his administration? And who's been the most vocal about not releasing the files, calling it a hoax, saying it's a Democrat hoax. It's been Trump. It's been this administration. It's been. And also remembering, too, like all of these people that are in power right now, the leaders of the FBI, the DOJ, whoever, they've all kind of been for two years

prior to this presidency going around saying, oh, trust me, we'll be transparent. We've already seen some of this stuff. We're going to make sure on day one. we have a transparency office and you're going to see every single thing that happens. And so everyone was like buying into this. And you're like, well, we got to vote for Trump. We have to because we have no other option. The Democrats lie to us.

But now it's like we finally are going to have a president in office that is going to do right by the people. And that's what Marjorie Taylor Green thought. That's why she campaigned for him. And then imagine, though, as you as a woman, a female congresswoman, going in, and meeting with victims of the Epstein sex trafficking ring, essentially, which was a government sciop, whether it was our government or foreign or both, meeting with these women, them telling you, hey, I have all these names, like, but I can't release them because then my life will be hell. Exactly.

Or I'll be killed. And that's why they want the administration to release them and not them come out, because they have the list. Yeah. They have it. But it shouldn't be on the victims to release the list. It should be on the administration. Yeah, it should absolutely be on the administration to take the pressure off of the victims to make sure the victims do not get hurt anymore. But Trump said, this is going to hurt people.

It's going to hurt people. Yeah, and the people he's talking about is people that whoever, whoever is behind him is trying to protect. That's what I'm telling you. And this is what pisses me off. This is why I've just lost all faith in government and politics whatsoever. And, you know, I understand there's going to be people out there that are continually and constantly making excuses. for Trump and the administration or whatever, whether it's the Epstein, whether it's whatever it is, we see it all the time.

We get emails, we get messages, we get everything. We get people that are very close to us. Well, Trump's got something working into background. You know, he's going to take down all these people and he's just, he's just, you know, showing this ploy to the media so that they try to do this and then he's going to just capture him. I don't think this happening. And I think, too, the people on the left, they think he didn't want to release the files

because he was on the files or he had something to do with it. I don't, I still, to this day, I don't think Trump did anything, you know, with these women or did anything illegal with these women. Yes, he had a friendship with Jeffrey Epstein until he figured out who he was and he said he banned him from Mar-Largo. I believe that. But I think he is not protecting himself, but he's protecting other people. Yeah. Well, I think he's protecting probably the people that made sure that he got in office. in 2024, the people that are likely controlling him now.

And, you know, we've done many episodes on the Epstein saga. We've done many episodes on who Epstein was connected with, who Gislane Maxwell was connected with. You know, Epstein himself had said that he was a CIA probably likely asset and Jislane Maxwell's grandfather was Mossad. So you can kind of make the connection. Yeah. And it's like high power people that are on this list.

Yeah. And these are really important. people. Yeah, and it's intelligence agencies, you know, and keep that in mind. This is that that's why they say that a lot of this stuff in the Epstein files are, is national security. We can't release a lot of stuff. Why? Because it's an intelligence operation. And it's a honeypot or it's, or it's blackmail scheme of how intelligence operates to make sure that either our government or foreign governments are able to blackmail people to get what they want done, to do what they want in our country. This is America.

This is not Israel. This is not Russia or China or anywhere else. This is the United States of America. We have had so many of our forefathers, our grandfathers, our brothers, our sisters, our dads, our cousins, everybody that have fought for this country. They have bled and died for this country. Not for Israel, not for Europe or not for whoever else, for America. But unfortunately, America, what we have always thought of what America was is about to completely change right before your eyes. and I think it already has.

We just don't fully understand and realize it yet. There were other clashes with the president. She started publicly criticizing him in May on one issue after the next, accusing him of betraying his MAGA America First promises. You went after his, I think you said, trying to entangle us in foreign wars. You said Air Force One should be parked. No more foreign troops.

For an America first president, the number one focus should have been domestic policy, and it wasn't. And so, of course, I was critical because those were my campaign promises. Once we fix everything here, then fine. We'll talk to the rest of the world. She said in her resignation video that the president has gone establishment forsaking the base and her. If I am cast aside by the president and the MAGA political machine, and replaced by neocons, big pharma, big tech, military industrial war complex, foreign leaders, and the elite donor class. Are you saying that the president now is siding with those establishment powerful people and against MAGA?

He passed a crypto bill that helped out all the crypto donors. He has served Israel's interest, even attacking Iran. He has served big pharma. He didn't take away the COVID vaccines that we want to see taken away. So those are the areas that are still getting everything they want while the people, we're still out here saying we want to see action on areas for the American people, not for the major industries and the big donors. Green has built her reputation on feisty combat and inflammatory insults.

Like calling president, Joe Biden, a liar, during the 2023 state of the Union. It's been five years of almost constant drama. I think your fake eyelashes are messing up with her. With her adding fuel to the nation's loss of civility. Then, three weeks ago, she went on CNN with a surprise, a Maya Kulpa. And I would like to say, humbly, I'm sorry for taking part in the toxic, uh, pulmonary. But it became clear to us that she hasn't entirely lost her appetite for combat. It's the most toxic political culture, and it's not helping the American people. But you contributed to that.

You, you were out there pounding and salting people. Leslie, you've contributed to it as well with your own... Yes, you're accusatory, just like you did just then. I know you're accusing me, but I'm smiling. You're accusing me. I am accusing you. But we don't have to accuse one another. I want you to respond to what you have done in terms of insulting people, yelling at people, and then saying...

I'd like for you to respond for that. I don't... No, you can respond to that. I don't insult people. You do in the way you question, and you're accusing me right now. One thing she did want to talk about, Congress's failure to pass spending bills, meaning that she has found it hard to get funds for projects in her district. It's an utter failure, not just to the people in my district, but every district across the country. We met Green, 51, in her district in Georgia. Before Congress, she ran her family's

construction company, then opened up her own CrossFit gym. Affordability is a real issue. President says it's not. It says it's a hoax affordability. It's one of the top issues. Not only in my district, it's across the country. affordability of health insurance caused Green to side with the Democrats during the government shutdown to support extending health care subsidies. Did you ever imagine that you would be standing with the Democrats on the Epstein files and on health care subsidies? No, I never imagined that. She's not afraid to be an outlier. She's the only Republican member of Congress to call the war in Gaza a genocide. And why did you vote against the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act?

Since I've been a member of Congress, we've had several resolutions that constantly denounce anti-Semitism. I've already voted denouncing anti-Semitism many times before. It becomes an exercise that they force on Congress, and I simply got tired of it. Is there no value in having the United States? Congress reaffirm the fact that they denounce anti-Semitism in the face of a growing issue, a growing problem. We don't have to get on our knees and say it over and over again.

Get on our knees. Yes, we do not have to get on our knees. Well, most members of Congress disagree with you. Well, most members of Congress take donations from APEC, and I don't. APEC is an American pro-Israel lobbying group. Green's perspective indicates a growing rift within MAGA over support for Israel. Are you MAGA? I am America First.

And that's not the same as MAGA. MAGA is President Trump's phrase. That's his political policies. I call myself America First. But you're not saying you're MAGA. I'm America First. Yeah. God bless you, President Trump.

Almost overnight, she's gone from a close Trump friend to foe, one of the few Republicans willing to take him on. I'm going to ask you about this almost solid support he has among Republicans in Congress. Is there in that support fear? Does the support come about because they're afraid that they'll get death threats? I think they're terrified to step out of line and get a nasty truth social post on them. them. Yes. And they're watching what happened to you. Yes. Behind the scenes, do they talk differently? Yes. How? Oh, it's, it would shock people. Well, let's shock people. Okay. I watched many of my colleagues go from making fun of him, making fun of how he talks,

making fun of me constantly for supporting him to when he won the primary in 2024, they all. started, excuse my language, Leslie, kissing his ass and decided to put on a MAGA hat for the first time. And let's break it down real simple. This past week, when we saw Green at a public hearing in her district without a MAGA hat, it didn't appear that her break from President Trump and MAGA has cost her popularity. People want to know, is this a true conversion, a true change of heart, or is it a kind of a shrewd political calculation.

A lot of people think you're doing it and that you, in a year or so, are going to run for some other office. I have zero plans, zero desire to run for president. I would hate the Senate. I'm not running for governor. But, Leslie, it doesn't matter how many times I say it, I'll have face-to-face conversations with people, and I'll flat out tell them to their face, and they won't believe me. And they're like, oh, yeah, sure.

and then wink at me and I'm like, okay. I'm just like, I don't know how to make it more clear. All right. So that was Marjorie Taylor Green on 60 Minutes. And what I will say is that this is a revolutionary moment in American politics and American history. You have people like Marjorie Taylor Green, Thomas Massey, and the likes all stepping out and stepping up for what they believe in.

And they're saying America first. What I would almost say is America only at this point because America is so screwed up. We have so many problems in this country for ourselves that we can't even fix. We have homeless on every single street corner in all the major American cities and not just major American cities. We also have it in small town cities like where we live. We had a wide open border for four plus years. We have people from all around the world.

Yes, people that also hate us. But then we also have a government that has compromised. The government that has been overtaken by a foreign nation or other foreign nations. all these other special interests, all these elitists, those are the people that are in office. That's who they care about. That's why when you hear Trump say to Marjorie Taylor Green, people are going to get hurt. It's not the victims. It's the people that they're trying to protect.

It's the elitist. It's the people that are intelligence agencies or operatives. Those are the people that this administration and all the administrations is trying to protect. And you know, when she says that everybody's asked her, are you going to run for office? Are you going to do something? Are you trying to set this up to be president one day? And she's like, no, I'm not. And whether or not she's truthful on that or not, I think right now, I think she truly

believes, no, I'm done with politics. And I think that if you campaigned for someone so hard like you did for Trump and then what has happened to her because of that, especially even understanding that because you stood up and because you stepped out and because you spoke out about the Epstein files or about Israel and the APAC and the lobbies and the anti-American first faction. that is in our government, you had a president that you campaigned and heavily supported through all of his bullshit. You had him come out on these very big issues that many Americans want transparency on.

And yet he's going to say, I'm going to primary you. I want to make sure that whoever is running against you that is going to win. And, you know, even if Marjorie ran, I think what she maybe realizes, and I think, you know, if she did write a book at some point in time, I would read it. and what I would hope that she would say in that book is that if she does truly not want to run for office, like ever, why? Because I think the reason why her answer would be is that it doesn't matter what your values are. It doesn't matter what you believe and what you stand for.

The money, the factions, the lobbying groups, the NGOs, you know, that that B.B. Netanyahu earlier said when you was talking about social media, but all of these things are against you. It is not pro-America. It is not the actual people that vote for you. Yeah, you do vote for people. But the only way that you're able to even know who these people are is because of their funding. And with the few exceptions, you know, like Marjorie, for example, she had to get heavy funding

and a lot of support to get her position. And there are people that can do that. But for most of them, you can't do that. So what I'm saying here is is that even if Marjorie Taylor Green decided one day that, hey, I'm going to be present, no matter if you if you believed every single thing that she said, America first, everything she's saying now, I think that she knows the only way that she would ever be able to actually run and win a presidency, no matter who you are, is that you have to sign up and basically sell your soul to the deep state to the people that are really controlling things behind the scenes. It's not Trump. It's not Biden. It's not Harris. I mean, there's a reason why Biden, a senile president and Kamala, which was a moron,

was able to run the office for four years. I mean, Biden had an auto pin. Who was behind the auto pen? Yeah. They weren't running their presidency. No. And they don't have to. And neither does Trump.

Neither is anybody. It doesn't matter who it is. It's just like who is going, who we're going to be able to most manipulate and utilize for our own benefit. And I think that when they saw. Biden and Harris and they saw the complete backlash on them. I think they saw Trump as a viable person that could be in office that would be best beneficial to them that they could manipulate and control.

That's what that's what I'm seeing right now. I agree with you for the most part, Chad, but I still think that Trump is doing a great job for what he stood for when he was going to be voted in which was the immigration stuff. He said he was going to close the borders, which he did. Our borders are totally closed. I don't even think anyone's getting in anymore. And he's trying to get violent criminals out of here. Yes, sometimes he is getting other people that are not violent, that are illegal immigrants that shouldn't be in our country.

And he's exporting them as well. And I think a lot of people are getting pissed. That's why they have all that ICE protests is because they don't like that they're getting rid of people that have been here for a long time that are not criminals. But I think he is doing a good job with that. I am disappointed with Marjorie Taylor Green as far as giving up and saying that she's, you know, going to end her term a year early. What is that going to help for her to like stop?

Because she has no power. She has no control. She has nothing. When Trump is against you, then you're done. And that's the way this system is setting up. That's the way this system is right now. So, you know, same thing with Thomas Massey. Like the people that are actually America first,

people to actually care about Americans, it seems like. Those are the people that Trump and the administration is going after. But guys, that's going to do it for this episode. Let us know what you guys think. Let us know what you think about Marjorie Taylor Green. Let us know what you think about this Erica Kirk versus Candace Owens. Because Erica Kirk came out today and said, stop. All the conspiracy theories, all the people out there that are saying things about what you believe about the Charlie Kirk assassination, you guys should quit talking.

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