Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - FBI Corruption Conspiracy Podcasts | Tik Tok Fugitive Chad Hower Part 2

Episode Date: June 5, 2023

In this gripping episode of the FBI Corruption Conspiracy Podcasts, we unravel the enigmatic tale of TikTok fugitive Chad Hower in Part 2. Join us as we delve into the depths of Chad's captivating story, exposing compelling conspiracy theories that surround the perplexing motive behind the FBI's relentless pursuit, aiming to capture him on a spurious federal charge. Brace yourself for a thought-provoking exploration of how governmental corruption can sow the seeds of societal destruction, as exemplified by this riveting case.

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Hello and welcome to Investigate Earth Podcast. I am your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Say what is up, Sherry? What is up, guys? Welcome to the podcast. Welcome to the show. guys, it is 844 p.m. here on the east coast of the United States on June the 4th. We've had an amazing spring so far. Like, we have had really, really good weather. Usually in South Carolina, guys, just

so you know, I don't know where you're living. But man, usually it goes from winter to hot. And we have had really good weather. Like, we can go outside right now by our little pond in our backyard. And it's like, I don't know, 68 degrees, perfect weather. Not much humidity. It's really good. Anyways, guys, thank you for joining us on another episode. We have missed you guys. We have been just, we've had so much going on in the past couple weeks, but we are here. This is going to be part two of the Chad Hauer interview. Now, Chad Hauer, for those of you that do not remember or have not listened to episode one,

please go and listen to episode one. Chad Hauer is known as the TikTok fugitive. This guy was basically, and still is, wanted and pursued by the FBI and Interpol for a kidnapping. charge, which is a federal charge, I'm assuming, because FBI is after him, Interpol. You name it. This has been many, many, many years. Chad has been living in St. Kitts down in the Caribbean for many years now. He is suffering from multiple medical problems. He is having issues to where he cannot survive without somehow coming to a country, like the

United States, his home country, where he once was this huge, a big figure in Microsoft, one of the biggest companies in the United States. And now he went from that to a fugitive based on the bullshit and corruption and bureaucracy of the FBI and the federal government. And this is just yet another example of why we do this podcast, of why we talk about it, why we have to continue to call out the bullshit that is going on in this country, not just this country, but around the world. Chad Howard is an example of that. He is a huge example of that. And not only that, I mean, he is suffering from a lot of medical issues that could potentially kill him if something is not done, if someone doesn't intervene, and which is why some of you

listeners out there actually brought his story to our attention. And we do care about Chad. We've got to know him, you know, extensively, pretty extensively over the past couple months. And I will stress this again. I stressed it in the episode in this interview you're about to hear. But guys, if there's a lot of it. anybody you know or anybody out there that can do something to help his situation to clear his name because it's all BS. His parental kidnapping stuff, which was 100% legal. He wasn't kidnapping. He was basically taking his kid based on a judge order. And after he already had a kid out of country, then they came through with some new order. There's definitely conspiracy involved in this.

There's some weird stuff. You know, his now current wife, Russian involvement, government. There's a lot of weird stuff going on. Yeah. And he's just a victim of his circumstances, pretty much, in my opinion. He's a victim of bureaucracy. He's a victim of the tyrannical, very overpowering, overreaching government of the United States. There's many people that are, which is why, you know, we became very close with Nathan Jones with Clear and his whole situation and so many people. But, yeah, I mean, you know, this.

This is what our goal is. This is our mission of life is to continue to fight the fight for the people against the government and the people that want to tyrannize dictator or dictate to the people, you know, what you must do. Look, we're all human beings, man. We were, we all, look, regardless of whatever you believe, right, if you believe that God and Jesus is the reason you're here, well, then God and Jesus would never allow or never want a tyrannical government or a dictatorship government or bureaucrate government. to make decisions based on corruption or political views or whatever, right? But even if you are not at all religious, you would obviously think of a little small way.

If we all came from cells, right? At some point in time, we're like, oh, damn, then all of a sudden these cells grew into things that became very corrupt, and now all these people are just in charge of all of us. I mean, and so it's strange like how life has evolved and how much. much more corrupt our society has has got. And however life has evolved, it is what it is today. And things like this are happening every day, everywhere. Absolutely. We just so happen to stumble onto Chad's story because of our listeners. And I'm so glad we did because Chad's a really good person. He's got a great heart. And he is really being screwed over. So whatever we can do to help

help this man and help other people like that, you know, we're here to do that because for sure. We're here to tell the truth and that's what we're here for. Yeah, guys. So without further ado, we're going to get to Chad's story. By the way, you know, in this turbulent time, and I stress this enough, we have to be thinking about what we're doing in our lives and how we're going to protect our future. We've talked about the meat and the MRNA stuff and we're trying to source actual

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How has everything been since our first episode, which was not that long ago, like a month ago, probably, right? Yeah, about that. It's been just a pain fest. So I'm alive still and sometimes that's enough. Yeah, right. So actually, before we get into this, remind again, what is your medical situation? And in all honesty, guys, this is actually why.

you are really, really desperate to clear your name, other than just clear in your name, but your medical condition in general. You have a medical condition that you cannot really get treatment for where you're at, right? Correct. I have some sort of kidney disease of which we've not been able to identify with our limited diagnostics available to hospital here, and even the treatment that they know I need to save my life is not available here and cannot be handled by a surgeon who flies in because it requires large advanced medical equipment. not available here. We got you.

All right. So on the first episode, we had talked, and by the way, guys out there, if you've not heard the first episode of it, please go listen, TikTok Feuditive Conspiracy Podcast. You can go check it out. We really explained kind of what his situation was. He was basically, and still is, wanted by the FBI. He was wanted by the FBI and Interpol. And it was all because of a kidnapping of his own son, which was not actually a kidnapping.

and the FBI still refuses to drop the charges and so on. So if you guys have not heard part one of this, please go listen to this. So where we had kind of left off last time, explain briefly about your time and why you were in a Bulgarian prison, number one. Well, I traveled to Bulgaria to speak at a conference and four armed Interpol agents showed up my hotel door and took me away and basically put me in Bulgarian prison and told me I had an airport warrant for kidnapping, which was a complete and under surprise for me. Wow. And we figured out after a while, I knew it was coming from my ex-wife, Beckna, but still then to be, have kidnapping charges that I never knew about.

I mean, it's not like I knew there were never any accusation of the kidnapping, and all of a sudden he's kidnapped. Yeah. He had listed as missing prior to this. He'd already been listed as missing for like two years, but even that information was inaccurate. I mean, I had full of custody, and they forged his birth date to be Pennsylvania. and they also said I kidnapped him on a day that I wasn't even in the United States. And the most interesting part was at the end of 2006, she didn't want to send him back to Europe after her summer visitation.

So a judge had to remove him from her using police and put him on a plane. So he was put on a plane by a judge in early September 2006. And then two months later, she said I came in the house and took him, even though I wasn't in the country at the time, and neither was he. And then the same judge charged me with kidnapping in a secret closed door court hearing of which I knew nothing about. Wow. Okay. And I was just thinking about this as we are speaking, although I am telling people to go listen to our first episode, give a brief rundown of exactly what your situation has been. It don't have to be elaborate. Hopefully everyone will listen to Part 1, but just give a brief rundown of what your situation is. Where did it start? You basically got accused of kidnapping your own son, although there were multiple judges that said basically they gave you custody, right? And then at some point in time, someone said you have kidnapped your son. You said it was the same judge, right? Is it the same judge in Pennsylvania that originally said you have custody that actually

was the one that signed it off as far as a kidnapping? Sort of. My son only lived in Tennessee. We lived in the United States. So I was given full custody by the Tennessee court judge who handled a divorce and in Tennessee where we all lived. Later, my ex-wife ran and hid to Pennsylvania and got another judge. she interfered with temporary orders.

She went to the judge and told him that our son was born in Pennsylvania when he wasn't. And that's the judge that said basically laid the framework for me kidnapping him. But that's also the same judge that upheld the Tennessee order and put him on the plane in September. And then two months later said I kidnapped him. So last time he was in the United States, he was sent out of the country by this judge. And then two months later, the judge said I kidnapped him, even though it was a judge who had police removed from her and send him overseas. Okay. And we did talk about this a little bit.

the last podcast and we felt like this judge was doing these things for certain reasons because you don't normally hear of judges doing this like one day he's putting your son back on the plane to come back home and the next day he's trying to arrest you yeah like what was his reasoning for this do you think I don't know I think I think I think I think I can do is refer back to the because we talked about that for like an hour in the preview in part one I think if we go down that wrap all again we're not going to talk about the other thing Yeah, gotcha. I still don't know.

We have more theories. It's anywhere from an FBI agent trying to recover his career after a possible demotion up to an including possible failed CIA recruitment. And I know that sounds crazy, but we talked about my time in Russia and my wife's family with their access to Russian military secrets and things. So maybe. Yeah. And by the way, guys, listen to part one because we dig pretty deep into that.

All right, so your time in Bulgaria. So you get arrested at Interpol and you are in this Bulgarian prison. How was the Bulgarian prison number one? And what actually led to you getting out of this prison? Well, I was not just in one. I got lucky. I got a whole tour of different ones. I say five.

It depends how you count them. But the one I was in the longest, they were all bad. I mean, none of them were good. But the one I was in the longest was, I don't know, I think built sometime between the 1960s and the 1980s. It was full of roaches. There was minimal food. There was no heat. It was Bulgarian winter.

There were four of us. crammed into room designed for two. No hot water, no toilet paper, sorry, no toilet paper, no communication with the outside. I mean, Vardot isn't there for over a year before his family even found out where he was. And so, yeah, the conditions were pretty horrible. And then I got transferred around here and there, so I got to visit some other prisons as well, but none of them were good. They were all bad. They were all pretty much like that, although not all of them had as many cockroaches. How long were you in the? the Bulgarian prison?

I was in and out for a period of about three months because they would let me out and then the U.S. Embassy would do something to get me put back in. And they let me out, and the U.S. Embassy would get me put back in. And so it was just bouncing game of in and out. And when I wasn't into prison, then they released me. I had friends in Bulgaria because I had been to Bulgaria before. I had worked with Bulgarian developers. And so there was a Bulgarian developer who I knew pretty well and I'd been to visit before.

family, I knew his family, I knew his friends, and we knew it was a circle of developers. And so he basically let me sleep on a futon in his kitchen. And I lived with his family when I was not in the Bulgarian prison, but they were bouncing me in and out of the prison. So what led to your initial release? And was there a time period in there that you were kind of worried you were not going to be released from this Bulgarian prison? Oh, yeah. It was because there was almost no communication. I had no idea when my court dates were. I had no idea if I had a lawyer. the only time I found out when there was a court date as a guard would show up at the door at like 7.30 in the morning

and say, hey, you got 20 minutes to get ready, you're being transported. And then I knew I was going to the courthouse. But I never had advanced notice. I mean, sometimes there might be like, we're going to have court. But it was never consistent because sometimes I'd be out, we'd be like, okay, we have court the next day and the next day the guards wouldn't come for me. So even when they told me something was happening, it wasn't always accurate.

Yeah. And it was just very random. And I originally got out because we petitioned the court to say, listen, there's no reason for me to be stuck in the prison, especially as bad as the conditions are. And the U.S. Embassy objected, so we tried to get me transferred. There was a newer prison for foreigners, and we tried to get me transferred there, but the U.S. Embassy objected to that.

They wanted me in the worst prison possible. In fact, we talked about since when the issue of the indictment in May, I had traveled to France. I was in France for three months. I was in Belgium, the Netherlands, and St. Kitts. They knew where I was all the time. They could have tried to arrest me in any of these places, but they didn't want to.

They wanted me in a Bulgarian prison because they wanted me to give up because they knew the extradition would fail, but if they got me in a nasty prison for months, they figured I'd do like Sam Bankman-Fried did and beg for a pickup, and that didn't happen. So they intentionally put me on Bulgaria. They didn't put me in Interpol until I traveled to Bulgaria

because my conference schedule is all over the Internet. So everybody knew where I was going to be, and they knew where I lived. So the normal practice would be when you indict somebody like that as you go after them where they are, but they didn't come after me in St. Kitts because they knew St. Kitts would, A, turn them down and also allow me to live at home,

and they wanted me in a bad condition. Could rest of me in France, Belgium, Netherlands, but no, those prisons are too nice. So they waited for Bulgaria. So eventually the judge let me out and then what happened is when there'd be more hearings, they would sometimes re-arrest me before the hearing and then they'd transport me here and there.

So extradition was denied because the claims were not credible at all. Now, the funny thing is during an extradition hearing, they're not allowed to examine the evidence. They're not allowed to hold a trial. The only thing they're allowed to do is look at the credibility of the claim and see if it matches

up against the treaty requirements. And the claim from the United States was just so bonkers mad that it wasn't found to be credible. And so they they deny my extradition, but the U.S. appealed. And then it had to go to a higher court, which delayed it again. So then we had to wait, I forget how long weeks or months or something, to go to the appellate court, the highest level. And it went before a panel of judges, a panel of three judges. And all three of the judges again denied the extradition again.

Wow. So then when the extradition was denied for the second time, I was released and free to go. was that the U.S. Embassy had been basically a full court media blitz against me in Bulgaria and the United States, and it made it into AP and Reuters. So it was headline news in Japan and Brazil and Argentina, places I had nothing to do with. And so now I was free, according to Bulgaria, but the Americans still wanted me. So what they did was they revoked my American passport the first day. So I didn't have that. But I had my Caribbean passport. And so I was free to travel home. So what the Americans did was they bribed a place.

police officer to start an investigation into my fake Caribbean passport by stating that they had never heard of the country of St. Kitt's and they didn't believe it was a real country. That's insane. And we had diplomatic communications from the Caribbean government back here, like official communications. And then what they said was, well, you've provided this with these communications, but you FedEx them. And we don't officially have diplomatic communications with St. Kitt, so we can't accept these documents to prove your passport's real. And I mean, it's just, which is just all the things they did.

Yeah. Yeah. And we know that drive this guy. In fact, at one point, they said, you need a passport photo. So we provided them with a passport photo, which was the same photo that was in my passport, by the way. Because I had, when I used to travel, I used to have stacks of these photos from my visas. And the guy's like, I don't know if these are the same photograph. And it's like, not always it's the same person.

It was the same photograph. Same shirt, same smile, same everything. And he just was playing all these stupid games. Like, we need a photographic expert. And then we wanted to get some of his evidence. that he had it in this plastic sleeve with a staple across the top and you could actually shake my passport out without even win the staple he's like it's sealed evidence we're like it's sealed with what a staple we need i need an official evidence expert to open the stable before i can take your

passport out it's like oh my gosh if you just put up the passport a flight out so then we had to wait for a photographic expert they had to hire a photographic expert and he came in and the photographic expert was like is this a joke you can see not only is it the same guy it's the same freaking photo you can look at the dude. He's bald. He's got bushy eyebrows. It's the same dude. Even then the police I was like, I don't believe they're the same person. That's insane. We had to go through all this. And what's happening was, see, I entered Bulgaria on a 30-day visa. Sorry, a three-month 90-day visa, right? Automatic, a total visa waiver. So I had 90 days in Bulgaria. But I had to leave. And so when they finally released me, it was about time. My three months was almost up, but they had

seized my Caribbean passport. And they revoked my American passport. So I couldn't leave the country. And they installed passport blocks at the border for me. And we would go to the airport. We even asked, they're like, yeah, there's a passport block for you. So even if you get your passport, we're going to arrest you if you try and cross the border, even though we know where you are. All right. So, hey, and by the way, and I'm not going to interrupt you. But when you're hearing all this, like, what is your thought process? Is this kind of like escape mode in your mind? Is it, you know, I mean, you watch television shows or, you know, I mean, most of you. people watch television shows to where you get in this crazy situation, the government's after

you, the police are after you, FBI, CIA, whatever it is. And you see all these miraculous escape attempts and whatever. I mean, what was going through your mind during this time to where it's like, okay, you finally are out of this prison, which was pretty awful. And you're, obviously, they're playing games now at this point with trying to do whatever they can possible to leverage the power of the United States government. against you, what was your thought process, you know, especially like if you couldn't, I mean, did you think you weren't going to get out of Bulgaria at this point?

And, you know, did you have any ulterior plans, I guess? Yeah, we, so what was happening was they were trying to get Bulgaria to, as soon as my 91st day reached, they already had Bulgaria lined up to arrest me for illegally overstaying my visa. And so we were trying to get permanent residency in Bulgaria. and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs wouldn't give me permanent residency because I couldn't present a passport because it had been seized by the Bulgarian government. And so we spent a lot of time going back and forth to Sophia and dealing with the Attorney General.

And so, but we had all their escape plans as well. We had, for instance, one possibility was I was going to go live with some gypsies and hide out in Bulgaria for a while. We had other plans. Like there was a way to sneak across the border in Greece. The problem is from the old communist times, there were still mines along a lot of the border. But we also had plans to get a sailboat sneaking to Greece. We had a guy in Greece that was in a similar situation once,

and he had already talked to the district attorney and Crete. And Greece had already, we already had it lined up with Greece, an agreement that if I showed up in Greece illegally, that they would deport me back to the Caribbean. Oh, my gosh. We had other plans involved. We had talked to a cargo master, and we had a cargo ship that had a,

agreed to take me across a black sea to Russia, but illegally. But since my wife has a Russian lawyer, we figured I'd be safe if I got to Russia. We had another plan which involved buying a sailboat. And I remember one was called the Bubo. So we spent a lot of time traveling down to the Black Sea to look at sailboats. And we had crews lined up. We had a crew in Bulgaria that was willing to go with me. We had a crew from St. Kitts here was willing to fly to Bulgaria and helping it home.

But to sail home from Bulgaria, I mean, you're talking like a four or five months sail, and you can't do it in the winter because you have to do it in the seas or the summer. We had a place staked out in Greece to take a sailboat down and go down. And there's spots in Greece where they don't ask a lot of questions, hide out in Greece for the winter without a passport and then sail on from there. We had plans to shorten the trip by getting in a helicopter and taking the helicopter across, even across Italy where they could reach and drop me in the sea, which was closer, which would have shaved a couple months, like a month or two off the sailing trip.

But none of the helicopters would drop in the middle of the ocean because they said it takes too much paperwork. Because I basically wanted to hover over the ocean. I jump out and the sailboat's nearby. And then they move away and the sailboat picks me up. And we had all this plan. We had all this plan. We had a sailboat in the Caribbean ready to go. We had a friend here in the Caribbean who had a sailboat and was ready to sail, wait for me.

But all the helicopter companies, they said, we can't just, because even if you're flying a private flight, we still file paperwork who was on board. And if we come back with one fewer passenger than we left with, there's going to be questions. We can't do it. And it got to the point that we were calling helicopter companies. And they're like, are you the one trying to jump into the ocean onto a sailboat? And by the way, how long The companies were talking to each other?

How long had you been in St. Kitts before the Bulgaria arrest? Almost two years. Okay. So you had developed some friends down there and all that. So when you got arrested, when you got back, obviously people were like, where the hell did you go? Did anyone there know that you were arrested in Bulgaria?

Oh, yeah. It was in newspapers here. Of course it was in newspapers. Everybody knew. And there's only 35,000 people on the island. I mean, if somebody farts here, everybody knows. So, yeah, everybody knew. Yeah.

Yeah, everybody. Let me ask you this, too, and we're going to get a little deeper in this as well. Now, you keep in mind, too, you worked for Microsoft. You were, what was your official position in Microsoft? I've actually watched a couple of your little interview things in Microsoft. But what did you do specifically at Microsoft? Well, I had a lot of different roles, so I guess it would depend on what year you asked the question. but I was a Microsoft Regional Director worldwide for, I think, five years.

I was a Microsoft Regional Developer Advisor as a full-time employee. I contracted at times for Microsoft. I was a business vendor with Microsoft because once the custody battle started interfering, I had to leave Microsoft because it was interfering with being a full-time employee, so I went back to contracting. So I had a lot of different roles, but I did software development. I did training. I did architecture.

I did public speaking. I worked with governments. I did government liaison. I did technical explanations and non-technical people. So I did have a lot of different roles. I never worked on any product teams, but I did do everything from training to work with governments to software development with Microsoft.

All right. The reason I ask you, okay, well, I wanted to kind of preface this. But you don't have to say what your political views were prior to this. Don't know. Have no idea what you're – we've never actually talked about it. But has your views – I guess, you know, you're a U.S. citizen. You're working for a multinational company like Microsoft, which is based in the United States, but, you know, hella, I guess, influential around the world. I mean, you're talking about one of the biggest companies around the world. And so you're this thriving United States citizen at one point in time. And then you go from that to your own country doing everything they can in their power to come after you, to find you. you to arrest you, to put you in jail, and they're using the federal resources of the United

States government to do this. And they still are, by the way. But let me ask you. U.S. embassy, everything's in four different countries have, sorry, U.S. embassies in four different countries having involved. So, regardless, like I said, I don't know what your political views are, but how much did your mindset change as far as, you know, you being an American citizen? I don't know if you were a patriot grown up or like you loved America or you know you love the freedoms that America offered and all these things but what in your mind changed after this particular incident especially when the federal government gets involved to go after you you know how much of a mind F and I'll put it you know nicely how much of a mind F was that for you to you know

like I said be thriving and then being one of the most wanted people in the country and the world actually. It was crazy. It was a surprise, but not a shock. I left the United States in early 2001. I'd been trying to leave since the mid-90s because I'd already seen the erosion of civil liberties. And a lot of what's happening today I saw coming. What I did not see was how fast it would come. I thought it would take longer. I had seen programs like in the 1990s, there were some spying scandals of the U.S. What they had done is, for instance, it used to be, I don't know if it is now, but it used to be illegal for the CIA and the NSA to spy on Americans. So what they did is they created this thing called Five Eyes with the British and some others.

And they would pass telephone traffic from the United States to the United Kingdom and then send it back to the United States. So you're calling your mother and your calls would go through the United Kingdom. And the reason is, is they had the British spying on Americans. And then the British would report to the Americans what they found. And the Americans would spy on the British and report back what they found. That way they weren't violating any laws. And I had seen a lot of these types of things. And I just wanted out of the U.S.

I saw where civil liberties are going. I didn't want to raise any more kids there. And I had an opportunity to go overseas, so early 2001, I was gone. So when this all happened, it was a surprise that it happened to me, but it was not a shock that it happened to somebody. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's a really interesting take you put there. I mean, obviously, we talk about this on our podcast on every episode.

We talk about how not only corrupt our government is, but just literally how eroded our liberties, our civil liberties, our constitution, no one gives a damn about it anymore, really. it don't seem anyway, especially anyone in our government. But how has your time been in St. Kitts? And by the way, in 2001, when did all this happen? It was what, was it 2005 or six is when this happened? Or am I? It depends on which part. The federal indictment was May 2009. The kidnapping accusation and original court, supposed court date of supposed to when I kidnapped it was November 2006. I got custody in 2004. The divorce was 2002. But we were talking about things that go farther back. I mean, they swatted our, the U.S. Embassy swatted our house in Cyprus in 2002.

And we've talked about the other incidents I had. So something started up after I left the United States and moved to Russia. That's when things started happening to me is after I moved to Russia. Wait, wait, wait. Who swatted your house in 2002? In, the U.S. Embassy in Cyprus. Did we talk about this? I don't think we did. Yeah, I know in 2002, I had been dealing with the U.S. embassy for my wife's visas, but I'd already had some issues from us living in Russia. I moved to Russia, but then in 2002,

we moved, we were going between Cyprus and Russia. So we spend usually the winters in Cyprus and the summers in Russia, but not exclusive. We go back and forth. And so we were dealing with this medicine. I thought I had just irritated somebody to U.S. Embassy, but then we realized it was way beyond that. And we had Cyprus as small, not a small thing kids.

We found out the request came directly from the U.S. Embassy. And so basically the federal police of Cyprus showed up at our door and said, you're a drug dealer. We're here to find the drugs. And they're like, what? Because at that point, I had never even used marijuana in my life at that point. Now I do for pain medication. But at that point, I'd never, I'd never smoked a cigarette. I'd never use marijuana. The closest non-prescription drug had ever had was a beer or, you know, alcohol. And I didn't use anything. I'm like, I'm a drug dealer now. And they showed up and searched the house and they found nothing. They had to apologize to us. They were basically begging us not to sue them. And then we found out it came because U.S. Embassy gave them information and told them as a drug dealer. Wow. And this is before, anything happened. Now, all right, so we got to talk a little bit, and I think the first episode, we did talk a little bit about your wife, and we don't have to get, you know, obviously you don't get to give, you know, 100% details. Well, you better say ex-wife. Ex-wife, sorry. Ex-wife.

X-wife, sorry. Ex-wife. Ex-wife. Yeah, because, yeah, my current wife is very private. I say a limited right. Yeah, we can dish on Beckna. Yeah. All right. So let's talk a little bit about her. Now, you had said that, you know, she was her family or whoever, yeah, was involved in kind of Russian government, whatever. But, no, no, my current wife is the one that's involved. My current wife is Russian. Beckna is America. Okay.

Oh. But, okay, but was she, okay, so was your ex-wife, so your ex-wife had no ties to Russia? No. Okay, sorry. Okay. So that's why you're probably still screwed. Actually, we get it now. We just solved your case.

No, but, okay, so who was your ex-wife? Let's just the end of the racist. But Vecna does have ties to the upside down. Like the show? Yeah. The upside down. Now, I've seen something on your TikTok about your, because I guess you get a lot of questions about your ex-wife. So explain a little bit about, number one, I guess the lore or whatever it is on TikTok that I've seen a little bit about Vecna.

What is the deal with the ex-wife thing? Has people claimed, like, I don't know, they've asked a lot of questions about your ex-wife. Tell me a little bit about that. Well, what it is is I try not to focus too much on her because I'm not my thing is the federal government. I don't really blame Vecna for all this. I mean, sure, she started it, but it's the federal government who enabled her and did all this. And she can't even change us now if she tried. There's too much momentum and too much cover up.

So I don't want to come off as just somebody who's just a pissed off ex-husband just dishing on his ex-wife. So I'll talk about factual things about it. But I try to focus on her because she's really not the problem. I mean, yeah, she started all this. She was the spark. But the problem is the FBI. And so that's where I put most of my pocket on. Now I call her Vecna because I need a little bit of cathartic relief for all this crap she's done destroyed my life.

And so I joke that her name is Vectna from Stranger Things. If everybody asks, I say it's to protect her privacy. I got you. So I'm protecting her privacy by calling her Vecna. All right. Well, actually, now that I realize, I don't know why I did not realize this, that it was your current wife that is the Russia involvement. Yeah, I didn't either. So we were both on the same page.

I thought it was the ex-wife that was from Russia. But it's his current wife has ties to Russia. Okay. So this makes a little more sense, which may be the reason you're still wanted, potentially. Who knows? But so you've been married to your now wife. How long? We got remarried in 2002, basically right after the divorce.

We were already, because the divorce took a long time because I wasn't living in the United States. It's hard to get divorced when you're not living in the U.S. So basically, we got married pretty much right after. So I think it was June 2002. So it's been, you know, 21 years almost in a few weeks. And when did a swatting happen? When did a swatting happen in Cyprus? Oh, that was very late 2002, I think around November, December.

So basically right after you got married to your wife that has Russian connections. Well, I was already in watch list. I'd already had encounters of the KGB, FSB by that point. And I'd already had some TSA issues. and so I already had some suspicious things happening before they swothered us. Wow. I mean, you do have to understand. They do everything because when we go to the U.S. embassies, sometimes we'd give them information

because, you know, for a visa, you have to give them background information. And the U.S. Embassy would come back and be like, well, you forgot about this. Your wife also did. I'm like, well, yeah, but, you know, we didn't think. So the U.S. Embassy had a whole file on my wife, even when we would go to apply for visas and stuff. They knew more than we were filling out. So they knew exactly who she was.

Well, you do understand. This is just my thinking. I'm starting to think about, right? You have a wife that has Russian ties in the government of Russia, right? And you are also a prominent Microsoft employee at this, you know, during this period. Well, in 2002, I was not a Microsoft employee in 2002, but I was a well-known tech person. I was an international conference speaker since the mid-90s. So I was, I was international headliner.

But at that time, I was working for other tech companies, not Microsoft yet. I started Microsoft in 2004. Yeah, it just sounds like that the kidnapping thing, though, it sounds like a ploy from the United States government in my mind. I mean, I don't know. I'm sure you've thought about this as well, but as a way to just get you in to their custody. In my opinion, I think, for another reason.

Yeah, and we don't approve of that, but there's a whole lot of smoke that, you know, it's certainly looking more and more. I mean, that's more probable than the other expectations. explanations at this point. Yeah, because the explanation of the kidnapping thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I mean, I, you know, from what you've told me and everything that, you know, is known about the case, it just doesn't make sense. Well, they're lying about so many things. His son was not even in Pennsylvania. His son was in Tennessee or wherever it was.

Like, there's so many lies that they're going on. And that's why I keep going back to the, to the judge that got demoted or whatever, you know, and all the FBI stuff. Well, he didn't get demoted. The judge didn't get demoted. Yeah. That's why I came on back to that. Say again. We suspect because he had a high position in Maryland.

And then all of a sudden he got transferred to a podunk branch office with a lower job title. So we're guessing he got demoted. But we filed a FOIA request on him. And the FBI blocked it because they said I'm a fugitive and they don't have to answer anything from a fugitive. Wow. And you did this on the judge, right? Is that what you're saying? No, we did it on the FBI agent.

And we did a FOIA request on myself, too, and they blocked it too because they said they don't have to comply with FOIA requests regarding fugitives. Or from a fugitive or just regarding. Yeah. No, regarding a fugitive, both. So basically, when we filed against the FBI agent, they said it was because I was a fugitive. But we filed against myself, they said one time somebody else filed because I filed myself and they said, we can't answer you because we don't have to because you're a fugitive. So we had somebody else file. And they said, no.

we don't have to answer this person either because you're a fugitive. It's like, and the FBI was on the block. We filed it with the Department of Justice. But when it came back blocked, it came back blocked by the FBI violent crime section. And it has got the name, everything. I mean, the FBI, the Department of Justice wrote back and said the FBI has blocked your request. I know you both have heard about Operation This, Operation That, Operation Northwoods, Operation This, the undercover stuff that's going on constantly.

and you think about normal civilians getting sucked up in that stuff. What I'm saying is like there have been people that they have put up to murdering presidents or whatever through these operations. And I said, I know at one point you felt like they're trying to recruit you. Could this be a reason why they want you so bad? Or one of the theories, so the theory, just to give everybody kind of a backup here

is that I did have three foreign intelligence agencies to try and recruit me when I work at Microsoft because I traveled all throughout Pakistan, the Middle East, Saudi Arabia. I got in places

other people did not get into and I had direct access to the governments in those places because I was working with the government's for Microsoft. And the three countries

that tried to recruit me as an intelligence as a spy or something. I don't know what they wanted me to do. They wanted me to keep my cover at Microsoft or something. And they were all

the U.S. allies. So, So one of the working theories is that somebody at the CIA knew who my wife was, knew who her parents were and had some kind of imaginary wet dream while they were, I don't know, they had some kind of, you know, imaginary wet dream that they thought they could turn, give me to turn on my wife's parents and get access to the military secrets that they had. That was never going to happen. And I couldn't do it anyways, but it's a plausible wet dream of some CIA agent and that they were trying to recruit me through these allies and I kept turning them down. So then they're like, well, this dude's got this custody issue. So let's just create a mess.

Let's just get him into custody. And once he's in custody, we'll tell him if you work for us, we'll let you go. And there are documented cases of them doing stuff to other people like this. So that's the working theory and one of the most probable statistically, because I know people like to say, this is just a bureaucratic goof up, but there's no way. If you look at the number of court cases we've had, there is no way.

It is more statistically probable that, you know, I'm going to spontaneously explode in the next five minutes than it is for this to be a mistake. on a mistake and mistake. First of all, they knew what they were doing. This was no mistake. They framed me. They lied. So the chance of this being a mistake on mistake of mistake is just statistically zero while the recruiting has a lot of smoke around it and certainly is more probable than that. And they're probably pissed off that you are not willing to be recruited by them. And when you're not and you're regular. Yeah. Yeah. It's an absolute cover up now.

And you said and you said these were U.S. allies. So you think that regardless, these intelligence agencies agencies in these countries, you know, they were going after you kind of basically on behalf of the United States' interest, probably, just because they were allies. Yeah, and they do stuff like this all the time. If you read the books by like former CIA agents,

because I used to be fascinated with the stuff, if you read books written by former CIA agents, they'll talk about how they recruit people, and they very often did use ally nations to contact people that were there and get them to work for them so that the CIA could be a little bit hands off about it. Exactly. And they recruit people

that are already in those environments that are, you know, could be easily recruited and no one would ever know. And has an end. They're right, normal people that have ends. Yeah, for sure. It's easier to recruit somebody with a cover than build a cover for somebody you've recruited. Yeah, let me ask you this. We had watched, I got to bring this up because we had actually did an episode on Andrew

Tate. And have you heard about Andrew Tate, by the way? Yeah, and I know a bit about that case. And I've actually been to the U.S. Embassy in Romania, who is, who was part of his involvement. I've been inside that embassy. Wow. Yeah.

I've watched the interview today with the BBC. I guess they're about to release a new interview with Andrew Tate. And of course, they just come in there to destroy his character, his character credibility, whatever. Now, we did a podcast. We were pretty harsh on Andrew on an episode of our podcast, just based on the things that we kind of presented to our audience and whatever,

whatever. But then as the case kind of went on, and especially after he got right, He was held basically. I mean, he wasn't even charged with anything in Romania. Yeah, he was arrested, but not charged with anything. Yeah, and for months. And then, you know, he gets released.

Now he's on house arrest. They took all of his supercars. It is highly corrupt. But we have to remember as well that Andrew Tate became overnight almost famous on the internet because he was, okay, some people may call him misogynistic, but then there's others that call him, hey, they, you know, he's standing up for males or the men thing. and he wants to make men men again and not whatever.

You can have both sides of this, right? But this Romania thing, and he keeps referencing the Matrix, right? If you listen to anything that Andrew Taitis talked about, especially after rest, but even before, you know, when they started to try everything they could do to cancel him, to silence him, regardless of whatever it was. And I've heard some of the stuff. I don't agree with a lot of it, but I agree with a lot of it as well. I mean, it's kind of 50-50. This matrix aspect of what he's talking about, it's like imagine yourself, and the reason I'm bringing this up, because you kind of can imagine yourself in this position. But imagine yourself in this position to where this guy is held in a Romanian jail, much like he were in a Bulgarian jail.

But the difference is he wasn't even charged with anything. You were charged with something in the United States. So it was the United States trying to get you over. but what do you feel about this? Do you know anything about the New World Order or the World Economic Forum, the Great Reset? Like, do you believe at all or have thought about or research the Great Reset as far as the one world government

and what has to be done to kind of incorporate all that going forward? I mean, all of them are very vocal on, you know, Agenda 2030. They want to turn so many of these things globally to agenda 2030, which is, you know, let's do all these things by 2030. Well, I think what you're asking is, you know, you've been researching the trial. What do you think, or not the trial, or what's going on with him? What are your thoughts about this whole thing? Yeah, and how does it, how does it, I don't know.

Well, it's like a three-part question, but do you believe in a New World Order and all that stuff? How much of that do you think involves coming? Like I said, the United States has used Bulgaria to try to get you in other countries. countries, and I think that's going to be just, you know, I think four years from now, if you happen to be in Bulgaria or whatever, then I think the United States or whoever that wants you was just going to be able to get you. I'm saying, I'm saying, I think, I think the lines are going to change drastically over the next seven years. I need a quick P. I will answer that.

Yeah, let me go P real quick. Let's pause. All right. So let me ask you this. what do you feel about, I mean, we've talked about, you know, Bulgaria, the United States, allies, CIA recruitments, potentially, all this stuff. What do you think about globalism in a new world order? Let me just ask that. I have a, I think that a lot of what people are talking about that is pure conspiracy, but a lot of it at the root is true. And I think the problem is that we have a divide. We have people who don't believe any of this goes on. and then America is just purely innocent.

And then we have the other side who takes some stuff that is real. And I would describe as maybe the same terms, but they view it through such a lens, and they mix in their own stuff to the point that it's not true anymore. So, you know, I have friends who believe there are lizard people. I don't believe in lizard people. No, okay? I don't believe in the more crazy things.

But what I do believe in, especially in the United States, is that lobbyists and corporations control the government. Now, not absolutely directly. They don't have their fingers on the buttons directly. But there's something like four lobbyists for every Congress critter in the United, every Congress critter in Washington, D.C. It's clear that they more than influence them. They may not absolutely control them,

but they have them by the short and curleys. And that's really clear. It is clear that there are a lot of some large corporations and some very, it's less the corporations and more the type of oligarchs. Now, we always think of oligarchs in Russia, but America and others have some very rich, powerful people too. I mean, look at like Bezos and things. I mean, and those guys have massive amounts of influence.

And some of them are kindly rich people generally. I mean, they're, you know, they're still rich people, but generally the most things. So like, you know, I don't agree with everything Elon says, but I think that Elon is generally not an evil person. I don't think that Gates is an evil person. And I know we're going to get some disagreements over. Like Bezos, I got a lot bigger concerns about Bezos and some of the rich people, real concerns. You look at Epstein and things like that. And there's a lot of reality to that sort of stuff.

So I'm not one who doesn't believe this stuff exists because it does, but a lot of the people talking about on the Internet have amplified it and twisted it into a way that they make themselves sound crazy. And they're doing it in such a way that people are not looking. And that's actually what these people who have this sort of control, these rich people have all this influence. That's what they want. They want the people who are talking about it to sound crazy because they turn it into crazy to make the other people who don't believe it and say, no, that's all crazy stuff.

There's no UFOs. okay, there might not be a UFO, but there are certainly projects like MK Ultra. Yeah. Well, and to your point, though, I've said this on the podcast before. And listen, I know that probably there are QAnon listeners that listen to our episodes. But I think Q&N is a government program to take away credibility from either journalists or reporters that are actually reporting on real things that are happening, the corruption, the bureaucracy. there's so much corruption in this country and around the world.

There's no question about it. But I think that the government, and by the way, I don't think they've ever even found who actually founded QAnon, right? But that's who the government, especially January 6th and all that stuff, that's who they have used so hardcore as far as blaming QAnon with conservatives and MAGA and conspiracy theorists. They just want to tie all this together. And then they put white supremacy in there. And so if you go and listen to some of the things that Q&A, Q and on says, it's just outlandish, right? And so then they say, okay, well, these, do you see, this is a conspiracy theorist, and these are people to believe this, and this is MAGA, and this is

conservatives, and this is this, this is why these people are horrible and crazy and bad. But the reality is, like you're saying, there's a lot of truth out there that no one knows, but then there's also the extreme sides of that to where it is twisted. It goes so far, which is what I think we don't really do. I mean, everything we do on this podcast, we do our very best to research, the most amount of research we can possibly do to kind of present what we know and

factually as possible. But then you have people, you know, like some of the Q&O people, they still think that Donald Trump is in control the military right now and he's going to overtake the, you know, the government. I mean, there are people to think this. Yeah, there is. I see it on Facebook.

I see it everywhere. But there's also people that are me, more innocent people that come into this thinking the government does no wrong. The government is here to protect me. The government's here to keep me safe. The government is here for me. Trust in the government, baby. I completely trust in the government until we started researching and really figuring out things and listening to stories such as Fugia Chad. By the way, I can see Chad because I can actually see him on video right now. You guys can. He's been shaking.

his head no for like the entire thing. Oh, what I was saying? Yeah, like you trust the government. Oh, that I did. That's all I was about is trusting the government. I never knew that the government could be like against people or be even crooked or... I think they have to be. Or not law abiding people or whatever. I never had an idea about that ever until we started this podcast.

And I promise that's the truth. So before Chad talks and this relates to this, FBI, we got to talk about this. you've heard about, did you hear about the Durham report? Give me the details. I've heard about it, but I don't know which one we're talking about. That's the one about Trump. It's the one about Trump. And you know how they tried to impeach him twice over Russia collusion? Now this Durham report, which is a independent, Democratic, a Democratic Republican, I guess, official that has, was put in charge of actually investigating this. Well, it comes to, you know, come to find out the FBI was colluding with Hillary Clinton and Brock. Obama and all these other people to make up this story to basically not only interfere with an election, but have a sitting president impeached. This is the FBI, right? So when we're talking about

the FBI, and that's who's after you, right? Like how corrupt, if you have one of the most massively influential intelligence agencies or law enforcement agencies in the world, which is FBI, and they're after you. And by the way, I see your TikToks, and guys, you can go find them on TikTok feed you. He mocks the FBI, basically, every day. He's out there. He's out there mocking the FBI.

Like, what is, are you just done with, was there ever a time you were just really worried? Even in St. Kitts, you were just like, they're going to get me and I'm going to be screwed, or how's that been? No, especially because after the third extradict, failed. It was pretty clear they couldn't get me legally. So then they tried some illegal means, but after the last abduction attempt, they got caught by the police here. And the Attorney General

St. Kitts had to get involved. And they took a member of the U.S. Embassy who had come here from Barbados and expelled him from the country and told him, with regards to Mr. Hauer, don't ever come back here. Because the next time you come back, you'll have no warning and you'll be seeing the inside of our prison. So don't come back. If you want to talk about other fugitives, we're not telling the U.S. to piss off totally, but with regards to Mr. Howard, we don't ever want to hear from you again. So they're not coming back here. And in fact, they've admitted in court, even as recently September 2020,

the FBI has admitted in court that they cannot touch me here. Wow. Now, do you, what is, what is, I haven't, I don't know anything about the government of St. Kitts. What is their kind of political leaning or what is their deal?

Well, we're a parliamentary democracy. We're a common with countries. So basically, we have the same form of government that the United Kingdom has. So we have a, in, in U.S. terms, it would be like having only a Senate plus a prime minister. So we don't have a president. We have a small Senate. We don't call it a Senate. It's called the parliament. So it's like Canada. That's the best way Americans might not. We have the same form of government of Canada. As far as political leanings, we have a couple parties here, but they don't, they're not really analogous to the American parties. So, but what's nice about here, though, is because see here, living in a small country, yeah, we have problems. We have

some corruption. We have some things, but we don't have these big problems like I'm going through now because here everybody is somebody's cousin. You went to school with the prime minister. Everybody knows everybody. You can't screw over your cousin because the rest of your family is going to come after you. So it's kind of like living in a village. So that aspect's very nice. I'm not saying we don't have our own problems, but we don't have a lot of the problems you guys do. And plus, I've become in the opinion that the, what they call it, the Westminster parliamentary system. And the U.S. system has evolved from it, but it's evolved quite a bit. And I'm a very, and I'm of the opinion that the Westminster parliamentary

system, although it has its problems, is a much cleaner system than the way that America runs its system, its political system. And I think they would I think it would be better off. And you can't just change it, but I think that countries like Canada and Australia and those that have the parliamentary system of Westminster, they

just seem to function better. Of course, they got their own problems. I'm not saying they don't, but the government seemed to generally function better than the system. Because the U.S., you have the Senate, and then you have the Congress and there's too many distribution of powers and it's just too much infighting and it just nothing gets done. By the way, what's the tax laws down there? Just have a curiosity. Well, there's no personal income tax. That's good. That's a good thing.

So no personal income tax? But I was researching kind of where you were. And if I'm not mistaken, if you go like past Florida south to the east, I guess, are you kind of close to like the Virgin Islands, and then there's a UK island, like north of that? UK Island. Well, is that where it is? The Virgin Islands, well, the Virgin Islands are about 60, maybe 70 miles away. Okay. So yeah, I'm pretty close to the Virgin Islands.

But you're like north of that, I think, right? No, no, no, no. I'm in between, so to the east of me is Antigua, about 60 miles, and to the west of me is the U.S. Virgin Islands, and then a little bit farther there's a British Virgin Islands. to the north you were probably seeing Stasia or St. Martin or things like that. You probably saw Inguila. Okay. That's what is.

Several to the north. All right, let me ask you this too, because this is very curious. So you're on TikTok all the time. You've got tons of videos on there. You've got a lot of subscribers. Have you ever thought about like, because I know these big social media companies, they have, I guess, headquarters around the world, right? And so, for example, something that Elon Musk is running into is that,

that he is, like, certain governments around the world are saying, look, you either censor these things that we tell you to censor or you are going to be banned from our country. And what is the deal with St. Kitts? Like, is, obviously, I'm guessing they don't have a TikTok office in St. Kitts or whatever. Yeah. So what, so I guess what I'm asking is, like, who, what law are you kind of, or, or, I guess this TikTok following for you, which is in St. Kitts. Have you ever thought about that?

I know that sounds like... Well, I don't have a TikTok U.S. account, and TikTok thinks I'm in Jamaica because their geolocation is broken. So I have either a St. Kitts or a Jamaican account, neither of which falls under the U.S. TikTok. Okay. Yeah, these are all things I'm just curious about to try to evade censorship. Because, honestly, you've not really been censored, although you have lost followers.

on TikTok at one point. I saw on your TikTok that you had a master of followers. That's the bot problem. You either saw one of two things. TikTok's very buggy. And so one day all of my followers disappeared. Then they came back an hour later. So I lost 172,000 followers.

And an hour later, they were back. That's just TikTok. You get used to that. I'm not the only one that sees weird glitches. That happened to me at 40,000 too. Yeah. And also, I've been losing flowers recently, but it happens.

Every time to get a viral video on TikTok, like I had a video that hit 3.9. million in a few days. You get a whole lot of followers, but the thing is, like, one to two percent of your followers when you get these boosts are bots just trying to glob onto big accounts. So then as TikTok starts to eliminate those bots, they get removed from your following listing. And if it's a lot of them, it's like I had 40,000 followers, you get one or two percent of them

as bots. It'll slow to eliminate the bots and your follower account goes down and the algorithm thinks your account is sinking. This happens every time I get a photo video. It happens for the next four to six weeks. And the bigger the viral video, the worse it is. So I'm just starting to come out of that. But I still have over 170,000 followers.

I lost like 1,200, but they're all bots. And the whole reason why you're doing all this is not only to clear your name, but also to get medical attention. And this is like the main reason why we're doing this podcast is because we've got to get it out there what you need, what kind of assistance you need. Yeah. And if there's anyone listening. No, and I want him to just follow up on what do you, what do you need for people?

To happen right now. Yeah, for things to happen right now, what can help you the best? And who can help you potentially? I need as much public as I can. And journalists are afraid of it. We have a TV station in Erie, Pennsylvania right now that interviewed me, April 26th, did the story, it's ready to air, and management's been sitting on it for over a month now. They won't say why, or they give some reasons, but I don't believe them because I believe

it's the FBI squishing it again. There's a story ready to go on three networks in Pennsylvania, three major networks, and it's just sitting there. So I need more podcasts, more coverage, because these sorts of cases, if you go into Google and put in prosecutorial misconduct, you'll find that there's been a lot of cases where DAs on behalf of the FBI or sometimes not have done wonky things like this. And the only thing they never got to fix was publicity. And when it got published, then the DAs dropped the charge and they're like, oh, you didn't know this is happening despite me beside me doing it. But in my case, because they're covering up such gross malice that they're digging in, it's really hard to cover it up.

And they tell news stations, things like if they air the story, they could be charged with aiding and abetting a fugitive. And that's why I'm having trouble with the press. Podcasts are easier. But I need coverage, guys. I could die six days from now, six months or six weeks, but it's all pain. I'm having more and more kidney damage. In fact, this hasn't happened for a while, but in the last week, it's happened three

times. It used to happen all the time. I'm sleeping and all of a sudden my whole body spasms because one of the stones has moved. It just popped and I can't breathe and I start throwing up and I get hot sweats and I completely wake up like somebody stabbed me with a knife. That's happened three times than last week. And what can I do? I mean, I'm in serious danger. Sepsis can take me out in a matter of 24 to 48 hours pretty easily, especially given our limited physical health, our very limited medical facilities here. They can't handle it. I had a friend died of pneumonia here almost three years ago now. And the problem is you don't have the big machines that can go in and diagnose or even if you needed surgery. They can't do that because they don't have the machines. You could bring

people from different islands or whatever, but that's not going to happen because you don't have the machines. Yep. We brought a surgeon in in 2015. Did surgery? It's supposed to save my life, did, but I didn't get better. I got worse. And so I need a different procedure, and that procedure is not available here. It's a big piece of medical equipment. It's not portable. And it's something that's big. It requires a dedicated technician. So it's not something you can bring in for one use. So I need to travel. And the only way you can travel is to get your name cleared so that you can get health care.

Yeah. Interpol notice. Yeah. And I want to make sure I'm very clear about this as well. Chad has never asked, I mean, at least on our podcast and I haven't seen it before. It's not like you're asking for money to come save you. You're asking for someone to help with a situation of getting your name cleared so you can try to save your life. And I think I want to make that very clear that we're, this is not, you know,

this is not someone that is trying to get a charity case to try to give them money to take advantage of a situation. This is, and I believe you even said at one point in time that, you know, you had had, you would even told the FBI or whoever that, you know, look, you would turn yourself in. If you were allowed the medical care, you were, that you could have had. And then, because, you know, you knew that you would have beat the case if you get in there. But the reality is you have to die before you get the medical care. Yeah. And that's the problem.

That's their plan. They want me to die here. We've made the offers. We made the offers that they either let me get medical care on my own or they provide it and give me to the United States and don't delay the trial. But they won't agree to that. And if they delay the trial, I can be in prison. I mean, there was a guy in Georgia. They just found it's 10 years waiting on a trial.

There's a guy in Erie County eight years. A guy in New Hampshire, three and a half years. I mean, people sit in jail for years all the time in prison waiting on trials. And since now, if they have such a solid. case against me again, three failed extraditions. And so if I'm ready to go to trial, why isn't the FBI? Isn't 17 years enough to collect evidence, especially, well, you know, we know why it is, because they forged evidence.

Absolutely. And not only that, but I mean, your son is of age. He's, I think 24 now has his own family. Doesn't even live with you anymore. 27 and four days. Yeah. It'd be 27 in four days. I mean, he's an adult that, you know, this is a long time ago.

And he lives where you do. And if he thought you kidnapped him, he would have been back with his mother right now. Yep. Yeah. Well, look, I mean, the reality is, and I think the moral of this story is, okay, let me ask you this. If you're cleared tomorrow, besides going to the U.S. for medical treatment, would you ever move back to the United States? No, no, I can't afford the U.S. No.

I'm going somewhere in some of the Caribbean, Guadalupe or Martinique or St. Mark. or someplace. I'm not coming to the U.S. I do not have the kind of money. Yeah. So you think things are cheaper down there nowadays? Oh, yeah. The U.S. medical care is 10 to 20 times the rest of the world. It's not even close. Wow. What about just regular everyday living? Like, how do you, I mean, you are kind of, I mean, St. Kitt's is a tourist area, right? Oh, yeah. It's our number one source of income. We're one of the top tourist destinations in the entire world. Yeah. That's crazy. And by the way, I saw your live stream on TikTok when you had, you know, you have some of your bartenders, the local bartenders around there and just some of your other friends, which I felt, you know, Sherry and I watched it, you remember? And I encourage people to go check your TikTok out because it's cool. It's especially cool to kind of see the, I guess, the community around there. And it's like, you know, no one cares about race. No one cares about political views. No one cares about none of that. It's just like, hey, we're on this beautiful island. And unfortunately,

Unfortunately for you, you're going through a medical situation that the island is kind of hurting you, although they're not intentionally hurting you, but it's just... They just don't have the technology there to help him. Yeah. And that's what we've got to get across to everyone that listens to this podcast. We have to help fugitive Chad get medical... Fugitive Chad get medical care. That is the ultimate goal for this podcast. Yeah.

I mean, and I will say this again, anybody out there that... that can help with this situation or whatnot. I mean, we would, and obviously, Chad, would be very much appreciative. And I don't know what that's going to take exactly. I'm not sure. Well, like Chad just said, we have to expose the truth and expose what's happening to him. And this is the best way he can do it, is expose it on as many channels as he can. And that's why we're here because we, you know, definitely want to help him.

You know, I really hurt for him with his story, what's going to. on. You know, this is ridiculous. That he's a fugitive for kidnapping his own son that's 27 years old. Yeah. And by the way, a few of our listeners actually are the ones that brought your story to us. So, you know, that's how we even heard about you. Never heard about you before. Some of our listeners reach out and said, hey, you got to, you got to check out this story. I think you guys could help with it, which is why we did it. And that's why we're here. So if there's anyone listening that has any means of helping us, like, figure out how to solve this issue, you know, reach out to us.

Yeah, the first episode is over 2 million downloads, which, by the way, thank each and every one of you for that, because that's amazing. We don't, I mean, besides certain things, like, you know, we had the Idaho student murders podcast where we got ridiculous numbers on that. But, like, Chad's story is over 2 million, just the first one. And I think it's because, you know, you mix a... Because it's real people. Yeah, it's real people.

This is a real person. Chad is a real person. He's a guy that is suffering because of the United States government and because of some bullshit that has happened. And you guys that are listening to us every day, the reason you listen to us is because we expose the bullshit the government does every single day. And this is just a personal story from someone

that has been screwed by the same government we talk about very often. And this is a story where someone does suffer every night or multiple times a night. Well, you know, you go to his website And you see the amount of stones he's passing. Like, how does this dude even do that and survive? You know, it's crazy.

And so let me ask you this, Chad. What do you think our listeners can do? So regardless if you have an FBI agent or a CIA agent here, which we do, we have, you know, trust me, we have those. I guarantee we have FBI agents to listen to us. But besides those people, what could our listeners do to put pressure on the, you know, who do we need to put pressure on about your story? Because we need it. Say it again.

District attorney, Christian Traybold. District Attorney Christian Traybold, Erie, Pennsylvania. Okay, district attorney Christian Traybold. Traibold. T-R-A-B-O-L-D. But we do that by press,

podcasts and press coverage. We can do it other ways. We, I mean, you know. Anyway, anyway, we can do it. Yeah, we can all start writing. letters. Or his boss, because he's, he can dismiss the case, but he just chooses not to because he's the one that made the case. This is his doing. He's the one that indicted me, and he's still the district attorney representing the FBI. And his boss could also do it, but so far his bosses

have just backed him. All right, guys, out there, listen to me. Christian Tray Bold, right? Is that what you're saying? Is the name? Spell it one more time. T-R-A-B-O-L-D. Okay. Christian Tray-Bold. obviously we're telling you guys if you put pressure on a district attorney obviously 100% you've got to be lawful and legal but you have to use your voice. I think you need to reach out to his office. You need to reach out in every way you possibly can to try to either find out inquire or put pressure on this story and especially you know what the story is now. And if you if you're only listening in this episode, you got to go back and listen to one. But we've got to put pressure on these offices and these

people for the corruption or at least the, just complete, I don't know, negligence in prosecution. And, Chad, I'm just saying for another up for that on our substack, you could write an article about this, put the dude's name, his email address, whatever, and even give a blanket letter that people can send and send their own names to this judge. Yeah, we could do that, yeah. And we could put it on our substack and people could just go and copy and pay. It's placed it into their own emails and sent it.

Yeah, I mean, if we could get a million signatures on a petition. Might do a petition or something. For this guy. We have a petition. It's stuck at like 223. It was stuck at 190. Now I get it to 223. So there is a petition.

It's linked on the website. And that whole letter, the whole thing you're asking about is in the petition. So just go to the website. Alex is notmissing.com and you sign a petition. Alex is not missing.com. Yep. Alex is not missing. And we have to refresh this petition because I'm sure it's been out there a while, but with a new interest and new people going out there and just, you know, it takes you five seconds to go sign up for the thing.

Yeah. Do it. And let's get this thing rolling. And in your meantime, if you have some time to try to find out more information on his case about this prosecutor in this in Pennsylvania, go for it. I mean, but, you know, like I said, do things legally and rationally and all of that. And in any of time, we need to make sure they know all of Chad's accounts so that they can look them up there. You know, I know you enjoy watching his TikToks as so many TikToks, as so many other people do. So we've got to make sure everyone has.

Chad, you basically can be found by TikTok feature of, right? Pretty much everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. And it's all on the website. If you go to the website, they're all linked there. Okay. Well, Chad, listen, we're going to probably do.

we're going to definitely check back in. Hopefully something from the first and second episodes of this comes through. Hopefully something or somebody or whatever the case is. And obviously we wish you the best of luck. We're going to hope that what we're doing is going to make a difference in your outcome as far as your help. Yeah, but we have to, yeah, like I said, though, we have to put people in a way to help Chad. Yeah. And these are simple ways to help.

Sign petitions. Do little things that take you two seconds. Yeah, absolutely. So maybe you could put the link in the podcast or something. I will. I will. Absolutely. I will have that link.

But, Chad, is there anything that you want to say as a party message to our listeners? By the time I'm going to, by the time I'm done, you're going to have to rename the FBI just a BI because I'm going to knock the F right out of them. I love it. That's funny. That's great. Well, trust me, we don't love the FBI very much either. and it sucks, man. It's like, God, we say this on so many episodes.

It's like, you grew up a person that loves America and, you know, supports our troops and and supports so many different things. But the more you understand and realize about how the government is and the corruption and the bureaucracy and all of the stuff that is involved in the government, it's like, wow. I mean, for the first time and basically ever, I have considered moving out of the United States. Not even considered, like really, really considered. And it's something that's like, oh, well, you're, you know, you're going to leave all this behind.

What are we leaving behind anymore in 2023 in the United States? What are we leaving behind? We're leaving behind misery and anxiety and fighting and depression and race wars. And you name it. That's what we're leaving behind if we leave the United States. And it's kind of like one of those things. There are so many people. We don't have racial tensions.

We don't have an income tax. And we have beaches. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you've got to send me some pictures of Sanchez. Believe me, I've been researching where you are because I've been looking and I love those areas. Hey, by the way, Chad, we might have some people that are going to be down that way. We might all actually be traveling down that way, potentially in July.

Someone that is listening right now, you let me know if we're going to be down. down there in July. But we're going to be potentially maybe down there early July. So, or, you know, at least that area. So if we are, we'll definitely meet up with you. We'll do some video stuff and whatever and getting an update. I've been trying to get somebody to come do videos with me, but every time I get somebody, they're scared to come to come to come to come to FBI is going to bother them. But I've been asking people to come down on new videos with me. Let's do it. No, we're not worried. Oh, I'm for sure there. We ain't scared. We ain't scared. Well, Chad, listen.

It's the off season until November it's the off season. So cars are cheap. Hotels are cheap. If we have a place, I don't know if it'll be available. But if it's available, you can stay with us if the room we have is available. I don't know if it will be by them. But it's until November, it's the off season. So everything's cheap.

That's awesome. Well, we will definitely, we're going to let you know for sure. Yeah, we have to do this. Yeah, absolutely. But in the meantime, again, once again, make sure you guys reach out to somebody. Yeah, for sure. For sure, Chad, thank you for coming on our podcast. And like I said, hopefully these episodes are going to do something and it's going to help you in some way. And you're just another example of the government completely bending someone over and doing what they do best. And people can fix that. Yes. So thank you for coming on. Yep. Thank you. And how does the 2.1 or how does that compare to your other podcast? I mean, how are my stats compared to? other releases.

They've been really good. I mean, honestly, I mean, like, like I said, unless something massive happens, like the Idaho student murder podcast, right? For example, those were huge things. They got 7 million downloads pretty much every episode, which was nuts. But in reality, yeah, I mean, yours is one of the biggest. You know what? Our other biggest episodes are, are UFOs.

UFO podcast are our biggest episodes. They get the same numbers. It's what we get in the podcast. UFOs, pizza, Hillary Clinton, okay, made a little boost it. Possibly. You forgot Pizza Gate. Yeah, Pizza Gate. Oh, goodness.

Well, Chad, it was a pleasure, and we'll definitely, obviously, keep in touch. And maybe we can do some video content in July, potentially. So, and I still would love... Say again. I forgot to tell you what happened last night. I forgot to tell you, I forgot, happened last night. I went out into the balcony because I heard a noise. Yeah.

And there's a UFO came down and it had Hillary Clinton and she was a pizza driver using UFO to deliver me pizza. Holy shit. Well, this is definitely getting $4 million down. Yeah, and I'm sure. We got a first-hand account. That's a good title. Hillary Clinton delivers pizza using UFO to Caribbean fugitive. Hey, did Hillary Clinton then turn around and shoot the alien in the face?

Well, I didn't see that part because I think she was an alien. I think she kissed it. I think that, you know, I think the ghost of Kissinger was with her. Yeah, probably so. That is probably true. Oh, man. Well, Chad, it was fun. Thank you for coming on the podcast.

We hope that somebody out there can help us. Look, we're a group of people. We are. And I truly care about Chad. Like, I really do. And I care about his health situation. and I want to see him get fixed. Yeah, and there's so many people that reach out to us and that said, you know, they can't wait to hear part two.

And they really are very intrigued by your story. And so I'm glad we had you back on. And by the way, guys, if you want to hear anything else from chat or if you want to know other aspects, please send us a message, contact and investeearthpodcast.com. And we'll be sure to kind of compile that. And if we want to do something else, we can bring him back on and answer some of the questions that you guys have. please let us know that and hopefully we are in St. Kansas in July and if we are, we'll be on video with Chad.

Yeah, we're definitely doing video. Absolutely. So, Chad, have a great night. Thank you for coming on. Absolutely. Set us up. Logistics when you're ready to come. Beer? Do you got wine? Wine and beer there? They make, we have a local, we have, they make beer here directly. We have a brewery right here that makes very good Caribbean beer. Nice. You will not want.

The joke here is like, we used to say when you went to, Mexico. They always filled your, you know, they say, in Mexico, don't get drinks with ice because it has Mexican water in them. Yeah. Well, here, the joke is that, um, you're not going to get much ice in your drink because the alcohol is cheaper than the ice is. Oh, that's, that's a good thing, though. That is a very good thing. All right, Chad, well, have a great. Rum has said to have been invented here, and we have several local rum distilleries that export around the world. Oh, rum. There you go. Now we're talking. Yeah, the rum. I'm not a big, I'm not a huge beer person. Rum, rum, rum.

Rum. Yeah, red rum. Red rum. You're thinking of red wine, by the way. Oh, yeah. Darn it. A bottle of premium rum. A bottle of premium rum will run you about $15 to $20 here for a bottle, premium.

Yeah, that would be probably 50 or 60 here. Really? So, yeah. Well, we'll be down. Guys, if you want us to go down to St. Kiss, let us know. And we will go down there and we'll interview you. Well, we would actually just like to see the area. and you'll be our tour guide.

Yeah, and I'm the first one putting my hand up. Like, I want to go. Yeah, for sure. Well, Chad, thanks for coming on. It was so fun and so interesting to hear your second part of your story. I'm sure there's so much more you can talk about. But try to stay healthy until we can get you health care. For sure.

Yeah. And guys, like I said, if there's any way you can help, please let us know. Chad, thank you for coming on. Okay. See you later. See it. She said I won't be back in a while. Already packed her past called the cab, May's base.

And she said I won't answer if you call me when you're lonely. I guess I let her go. Never mind. It's too late. But I can't believe I let you slip. I think about seven days a week and this just can't be how it's supposed to end up. love with him ready to just let you go away like my friends think I should because what if I just want to be with you I don't know what the hell I'm gonna do

but honestly I can't remember if you love me maybe I'm just feeling lonely I don't know she got herself a guy and he's good everything she wanted back behind But I kind of hope he breaks her heart into little pieces and let me pick them all back up We put them that together But I can't believe I let you slip I think about it seven days a week and this just can't be how it's supposed to end up Honestly I can't remember if I loved you But it feels like I did when I think about you now