Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Gabby Petito Murder Part 2 | Where Is Brian Laundrie?

Episode Date: September 27, 2021

Autopsy has confirmed that Gabby Petito was murdered, but how she was murdered has still not been released. On tonight's episode, we discuss where Brian Laundrie may be, and how long he may be able to survive.

Welcome to Welcome to Investigator with Sherry Say hello, Sherry Hello, sorry Hope everybody is doing amazingly well out there tonight It is 737 p.m. on the east coast

of the United States And thank you for all of our listeners out there Both the United States, UK, Australia Everywhere you guys are us and Canada Cannot forget you guys We love all of you. This is part two of the Gabby Petito podcast. And unfortunately, this is a Gabby Petito murder podcast.

She has officially been based on autopsy, declared to have been murdered. A person of interest is Brian Laundry now. And actually, he's probably more of a suspect at this point. And so on this podcast, what we're going to do is we're going to try to, we're going to give you a brief synops or not a brief synoptist but a brief timeline of kind of what happened for those of you do not know we're going to be very brief on that because I know so many of you know but some of our listeners out there may not even have heard of I mean I think everyone's probably heard of this case internationally yeah probably internationally yeah but we do want to give a brief timeline on that and so what we want to try to do is everyone right now in the United States on social media and everywhere else is just going crazy trying to figure out where Brian Laundry is. I mean, it's to the point where people are sharing screenshots, videos, you name it, everything, everywhere, you know, spotting Brian Laundry.

Celebrities are you been getting involved. Yeah. And so, you know, whereas that can be good, but it also is just getting to the point where it's like every guy that's bald apparently looks like Brian Laundry. And unfortunately, that is an issue because bald guys that are white and maybe have a little facial scruff all kind of do look alike. I mean, you know, if they're a little skinny and you're bald, you look like the other guy, right? And so that has been a thing. Everybody's been sharing everything and it's just been nuts. Cidings and what have you.

So I can only imagine law enforcement and the amount of tips they're getting on this and having to go through all those. We've got dog the bounty hunter now that is involved, which is, you know, I don't know. I mean, hey, he's caught people in the past. We'll see. Ryan Upchurch. Ryan Upchurch has been talking about it for those that know who Ryan Upchurch is he is a country singer slash rapper and so he

YouTuber artist yeah YouTuber artist he is offered $50,000 into that and so we'll talk about all of that stuff but just a brief timeline in July of this year Brian Laundry and Gabby Petito they left New York and so they were going on like a three to four month

cross country trip and what they were planning on doing was basically visiting and camping in all the national parks or as many as they could. And they planned to sleep in their van and basically they were starting a YouTube channel. That was one of their things they wanted to do or I at least know she did. Brian, I know was an avid outdoorsman. He had many occasions camping and hiking and just kind of on the survival side of things. And that's one of the reasons we also want to talk about this is we have a survival podcast as well.

and done a ton of stuff outdoors. I used to be an outdoorsman and someone that would stay for a very long time in the woods, do a ton of hikes, a ton of backpacking, and definitely want to talk about my thoughts on that, you know, on, is he alive? You know, is he in the wilderness? Where in the wilderness is he? And, you know, is he going to be able to survive in for how long? And we're also going to compare it to some other notable people that have,

have committed some crimes in the past like Eric Rudolph, and Eric Rudolph was on the run for a while, but there is a key difference in that. We're not going to, we'll reveal that later. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah. There's a key difference, though, and Eric Rudolph was able to survive for a while, and I'm not saying a key difference is in Eric Rudolph may have been a better survivor. It's just there is a key difference. Yeah, right. So we'll talk about that. So anyway, so they left. They were basically planning on, visiting all national parks. Then they got stopped for basically like a disorderly conduct.

It was a 911 call that was placed by someone that had seen Gabby and Brian, I guess, a confrontation between them. And the caller actually said that Brian had hit Gabby Petito. They were dispatched out there. They spent over an hour and a half with Gabby and Brian. And the police body cam shows, you know, Gabby was crying, going crazy. Not crazy, but just being extremely upset by something that happened. She basically blamed everything on herself for whatever it was to happen.

And the police support did say that, you know, Gabby had hit Brian, but no arrest were made. Right. And there was no mention of him slapping her or hitting her during their confrontation with the police. But that was interesting because everyone heard the 911 call after the fact. And I listened to it. And the guy was like, yeah, this guy was slapping her up and down the street, basically. and forced her in the van. Yeah, and the police support said that he hit her.

She hit him. And she took the steering wheel and made him steer into those little column things. Yeah. So they were separated for tonight and Gabby stayed in the van. He checked into a hotel. So then in August they post the first video on YouTube. It was about van life, beginning their van life journey. And, you know, it was a cool video.

I watched it. And, you know, it's just crazy that something like this happened to, to them. It was weird because if you kind of watch the video and look at both of them, they just, I don't know. I mean, and that's also a, I guess a good point you don't ever know. You never know. You never know. You don't see

behind closed doors ever. No. No, you don't. I mean, some, a couple or someone that, you know, or a pastor or a coach or whoever, you just never know what's going on in their house. I mean, no matter, no matter how perfect you may see it from the outside. You know, what's going on the inside could

be a disaster. And it's kind of like suicide, man. A lot of people don't know when someone is so unhappy they're willing to kill herself. I mean, and it's very similar. A lot of people hide this stuff. They hide suicidal thoughts sometimes, especially to real suicide of people. They might reach out. They might have signs. Like, there's signs for everything, but. But yeah, even abuse and stuff. A lot of people hide that as well. So, um, and it just so happens that day when, when, you know, they were pulled over. Gabby was so distraught that obviously she couldn't, you know, handle You know, there was no way she could really hide it without lying, I guess. Right.

She took all the blame. Yeah. So anyways, she, so later in August, according to basically a search warrant, Petito's mother says she received an odd text from her phone. And it read, can you help Stan? I just keep getting his voicemails and missed calls. So Stan is Gabby's grandfather, but her mother says Gabby never referred to him by his first name. Yeah, which is very strange. Right, and she really didn't even talk to her grandfather that much.

So her mom was almost like, was this a code or something, or was somebody else texting this? Or this was just out of the normal text for Gabby to text her mom. Yeah, it was out of character. Yeah, it was just something that she wouldn't do. And calling him by the name Stan. Yeah, strange. And then hitchhacking claims came to where there was a TikTok video that said this girl picked up Brian Laundry, supposedly. and then around September 1st, Brian returned home.

And he was, he lived in Northport, Florida with his parents, and he returned home alone. So, and then September 11th, Gabby was officially reported missing. And then September 14th, Brian Laundrie's family issued a statement through their lawyers saying that they intended to remain in the background while the search for Gabby is underway. Petito's family issues a statement accusing Laundrie of refusing to tell them where he last saw Gabby. So they weren't, he wasn't participating, the family wasn't participating, they were getting nothing from the laundry family. And so all the, just right from the start, you know. And they had already obtained a lawyer. Yeah.

But right from the start, it was, yeah, they knew something was up, you know, and how deep and how involved their parents are in this, we don't know yet. you know, when you just basically close everything off and you're basically in protection mode for your son, you know, obviously they knew something was desperately wrong. The question is, did they know that she was dead? I don't know. Probably, because what else is he going to say? I mean, maybe he said something, but at this point now, right? I mean, this point they have to know, you know, they know she's dead.

They know she's now murdered. The autopsy has proven that. We don't know how yet, but she is murdered. And, but yet still, it's just like, they still don't really want to offer any help on the situation with Brian whatsoever. Where is he at? Did they help him? Any of this stuff, right?

So I think they're still involved. I think they probably knew just based on the fact they're still not helping. They're still not saying anything about how they helped him or whatever because I think they did. They helped him in several ways, don't you think? Yeah, they did. Like even after they issued that statement, they did not even mention he was missing until like two days later. And then they go and pick up his Mustang for where they're. he's missing. If I was a worried parent about my son missing, I would leave the car there in case he

comes back so he can come home. Yeah. Right? And he has, he left his wallet, his phone, everything at home. Yep. So he had no, you know, I think, well, I think he had money, but, you know, he left all these things at home. Yeah, it was strange that he used her money. And it's strange that how did they get the car? Did they have the keys? Did he tell him where the keys were? You know, I don't know. All that. But, you know, we're trying to get through that because everybody knows the timeline so we just want to give you a brief summary. Yeah. We could go on for hours about what if this, this, this, this, this. Yeah, so then September 17th, Laundrie's parents tell police they have not seen Brian in three days.

So, of course, they waited for three days to tell police anything about this. They already named, by the way, before this, Brian as a person of interest in Petito's disappearance. And that was on the 15th of September. And so then it wasn't until the 17th. the parents said, hey, we haven't seen him in three days, knowing that he's a person of interest, right? So if you know that he's a person of interest in her disappearance, and then you don't even tell the police or anyone that you haven't seen him, that was two days later. Right. And then when they did bring the police into their house, they refused to talk anything about her.

They only would answer questions about him. Yeah. So now we're going to start kind of getting into a little bit of what we're going to talk about tonight as far as where's Brian. Is he alive? did he kill himself? Did he not? We're going to start talking about that. So on 18th, the search for Brian began.

It began in the 24,000-acre Carlton Reserve, which is in Sarasota, Florida. His parents said that that is where he was headed the last time they saw him. So this is kind of where I start thinking and feeling like this was all part of the plan. And during this time, too, a neighbor thinks they caught him on one of their ring, videos or whatever. Which I think that was a legitimate. Yeah, walking down the street barefooted. And there's a lot of people saying he, he hated, she even said in her post, he hated wearing shoes, he never wore shoes, he didn't like shoes. But there was a bald man barefooted with a backpack walking down

the street. And it looks pretty legit to me, don't you think, Chad? I mean, it could be, I think that's one of the legit witnessing. And that was shortly after he was missing. Yeah, exactly. So then the 19th, her remains were found and, you know, keep in mind her remains were basically found off a YouTube video that they went back and actually a lot of people all over social media, showed the video and shared it, show in the van, these people that were also, I guess, camping or whatever, were riding down this road, saw a van after looking through their footage and realized, I think this is a van. Right. And then other people broke it apart and took it screen, you know, frame by frame, showed. You know, there was somebody in the van. You could see where the back door was open and it was closing as they were coming near.

Yep. They thought it was abandoned when they drove past it, but people pretty much confirmed there was somebody in that van at that time. Yeah, exactly. And then the 20th, the FBI raid, they executed a search warrant on the laundry's home, seized his car, and a hard drive that may contain evidence that a felony has been committed, is what they said. And then on the 21st, Gabby is identified officially that it is her. And then on the 23rd of September, and the arrest warrant was issued in federal court in Wyoming for Brian Laundry. And he has been charged with unauthorized use of a debit card to make an unauthorized withdrawal worth more than $1,000.

During the time Petita was missing. And so this was after she was missing. He had used her card. And then, you know, it just kind of went crazy from there. over a thousand people attended a public memorial service for Petito at Long Island, New York Funeral Home. And that was, you know, September 26th. And so now we're to the point where where is Brian. No one knows where Brian is.

There's been many sightings everywhere, supposedly. I mean, people think they're seeing him. Yeah, there's been sightings in Alabama, Louisiana. People say that they've seen him on the way to Puerto Rico. People say they saw him in Mexico. Yeah. I mean, it's like the where is Brian siding? I'm not trying to make light of it, but seriously, there's so many sightings of him.

It's like, where is Brian? Yeah, so let's break down a little bit about, that is like so loud. Oh, sorry, sorry. I'm blowing my nose. I'm trying to be quiet. No, I guess it's the high pitch because these mics got high pitches on. So let's break down what the deal is. Is he in the Carlton Reserve in Florida?

because they have been searching this. Okay, so they started searching it, and then they quit searching, and then they went back to search, and then they kind of quit searching again, and then now they're back to searching, and I think officially today they started saying that we don't know if he's here or not.

I don't think he's in Carlton Reserve, and I'll tell you why. And a lot of people have said this, and I understand this, and I'm going to not elaborate on this as much, but, you know, the Carlton Reserve is a lot of wetland. Yeah, swamp land. Yeah, swamp land.

Lot of gators. It's a very hard survival area. I mean, unless you're willing to enter and exit regularly to get supplies, which is going to be tough, you know, but, you know, if you have someone helping, which would be extremely hard for him right now, because trust me, the laundry's home will be watched like a fine tooth comb. Right. There is going to be extensive, you know, eyes on that fan. family or anybody that's connected to him in that entire area. His sister's house too. Yeah.

So for him to stay in Florida is in my opinion of not too much benefit for him. Him as an outdoors guy. Him as someone that loves the outdoors and someone that obviously has traveled across country and doing these things, even though it didn't last very long, at least this go around. Any survivalist knows that your biggest. biggest hurdle is your environment. There is a reason that on Naked and Afraid and all these survival shows, you know, you have to really, really know your environment and different environments extremely affect whether or not you're going to survive or not.

Exactly. And, you know, a lot of times, like, for those of you that watch Nekid and Afraid, and I'll just give this as an example, because they put those people in different places. Um, for some people, it's almost kind of unfair in some ways because there are harsher environments than there are others that they put other, you know, people in there, there are, there are bugs, there are snakes, there are, um, gators, there are, there are, there's extreme cold or there's extreme heat. These are all the things. Yeah, both in one night. Yeah, these are all the things you got to think about. There's no food or, you know.

There's food, but you don't, you can't cook it. Yeah, or anything. Yeah, there's, yeah, just all kinds of things. And in the Carleton Reserve in Florida, and just really, especially in South Florida or anywhere that is a large wetland area, it is extremely hard to survive for the most part. And 24,000 acres sound like a ton of land. But in the reality is it's really not a lot of land. 24,000 acres, when you have helicopters and it is flat land, and a lot of people don't think about this. Everybody, everyone's like, oh, no, but, you know, you've got all these woods.

and it's 20,000 acres or 24,000 acres. Yeah, but look, let me just explain something. There are helicopters with infrared. There's helicopters with thermal imagery. There's helicopters with everything you could possibly think of on them to see anyone in those woods. And 24,000 acres, a helicopter can essentially, and I've been seeing a lot of this,

and, you know, I'm in the aviation world. And, you know, so I've been seeing a lot of people post, the screenshots of flight radar and all that stuff showing the helicopters going in lines. Well, the reason, and a lot of people ask this question, these lines, these planes, it'll either be planes or helicopters. You'll see them doing a circle that is like an exact circle, or you'll see them doing lines. It'll be like a line, line, line up and down. Now, the reason these two things happen is the circles are called orbits or hold patterns. And what the orbits will do, especially airplanes or military that gets involved, is that

they have scanning radars on their planes. So for them to scan, they just orbit, and they'll go through basically a graph. And so they'll lay out that 24,000 acres of land, or say they won't do it 24,000 acres at a time. They would probably do it like 5 to 10 acres. And it's just like a surveying plane. Airplanes have surveying equipment on them, right?

And this is how we survey so much land in America. There are companies all across the United States that have airplanes, that have special cameras, that survey property. You can see this all the time. I've worked around these airplanes. I know people that fly them. I know how this situation works.

And I also know how the situation works as far as search and rescue goes. I've been involved in search and rescue for a long time. And so what these airplanes are doing is they're basically creating a graph and a computer system. And these cameras are scanning on these lines, right? And so they'll set up like a 10-acre section, for example. And once that 10-acre section is scanned,

with either a thermal imaging or it could be infrared imaging, it depends on how they do it. They'll scan this one section, and then they'll basically, once that blocks done, they'll say done, and then they'll go to another 10-acre section.

They'll keep doing that. Right. So anything with a warm body, they're going to pick up pretty much. You'll even pick up animals, but animals are usually lighter heat signatures than people are, and that's mostly because a fur doesn't allow

the heat as much to come off of the body as we do. skin, like direct skin, lets off a lot more heat. So people always come through brighter than animals. Animals are usually faint in infrared or, I mean, thermal. People, though, are a lot brighter on thermal imaging cameras. So when you see the circles, that's what they're doing.

When you see the lines that are just scanning with the camera and they're doing that stuff and doing that. So 24,000 acres, what I'm getting at is not a lot of land to be able to do that. If they're doing like 10 acres at a time. Yeah, and it's really, there's nowhere for you to hide in 24,000 acres, because you either have water, and Brian or anyone should be smart enough to know that technology in 2021, you know, you can't live your life having to go underwater.

Now, you, that is, you could go underwater and they wouldn't see you. But you never know when they're scanning that section. And that's the problem. Unless you hear the airplane above, I guess. But you don't even really have to hear them because, like I said, when they do 10-acre sections, they could be seven, eight miles away. And they're scanning. And they're scanning your section, too.

And you just don't see it. Do you think he knows that, though? No, he probably doesn't, but he probably isn't going to take that chance. Because, I mean, like I said, the reality is he is an outdoorsman. He knows that this already is a bad situation with tons of not only water, but you don't really have a lot of, you know, options for food. It's going to be tough in Florida because there's so much rain and storms. Right.

You can't even probably build a fire. Fires are going to be tough because it's wet. I mean, there's not a lot of stuff that is very tangible as far as survival. The water is going to be content. contaminated in 90% of cases. There's no, there's usually no natural. I don't know about this area. Florida does have a lot of natural springs,

but I'm thinking in this area, there's probably not a lot. I think it's more swampy. I couldn't imagine being out there. Plus, you've got to deal with the snakes. You've got to deal with leeches like crazy and low-line, like reserve type wetlands. Leeches will get all over you. I mean, it's just, you don't want to be in that situation. But this place where he parked.

And it's going to be hot. This place where he parked, is this a place where, I don't even know if you know, but is this a place where people go and hike and camp? It is, yeah. I mean, people do go and hike there and stuff. I mean, they got trails and trails through there and all that. I don't know how far back these trails go. I have no idea.

But I'm not sure if the trails go throughout the 24,000 acres. Probably not. And, you know, I mean, and a lot of people, I saw a lot of people say, well, there's gators in there, too. You know, there's no way to go in there. Like, people don't really, I mean, I would go in there with gators and try to survive. I mean, gators are not really that. We went in a canoe full of gators.

Yeah. We've been in water full of gators. I was more worried about the giant spiders that was falling in our. Yeah, and I was worried about him tipping over the canoe and getting in the gator river. I do everything else. I've been backpacking for months. I've done all that stuff. I just don't like spiders.

And I especially don't like huge ones that are like the size of your hand. But anyway, so I wanted to point out that, no, I don't think he's in Florida. I don't think that he is in that reserve at all. I don't. And I think they would have already found him. So I guess what you're saying is that maybe their parents told him that he was there to mislead them to give him a three-day start to go somewhere else. Yeah. I mean, look, here's the thing.

My whole point to what I'm going to talk about tonight is trying to figure out or try to explain like, you know, from a survival person. What his mindset was. Yeah, what his mindset is, was and where would I go based on like if I did this, if I did this to you, right? where would I go? Great. You guys listen to that very carefully. No, but listen. I'm saying where would I go as, as, you know, because look, I got to think to myself like, you know, okay, if I did something that horrific, right?

Anyone to get away from authority or anyone that could, like, view you, see you? Well, the question is, like, there's, people do different things. You know, some people are going to try to escape. So, so say a gang member in Chicago, right, shoots up four people, you know, Well, Chicago is a bad example Because they don't really care They just keep shooting people throughout the week They don't hide

They just go home and go to sleep But let's just say Someone in another city Goes and kill someone Or two or three people What do they do? Well, they're on the run How are they on the run?

They're usually in cars And they're trying to find people To stay with And they're trying to get across the border Sometimes a lot of people Try to go to Mexico and whatever Because that's their thing They think

that is the best way. But 95% of those people always get caught. They get caught some way, shape, or form. Usually these criminals are dumb, and they will call someone, and that someone will tell, and so on and so forth. Or they'll get pulled over, or they'll have to steal a vehicle to where they get pulled over, so on and so forth. And nowadays, with law enforcement and their tag readers and everything else,

which is just automatic on them, you know, on the police cars, you can't really get away with stuff if you are in a stolen car or you're in something And that, you know, if you pass a police car, he don't have to see you. His tag reader can see you. So do I believe Brian Laundrie's thought process in this is, I got to get on the road and I got to try to get to Mexico. Or I got to try to just get somewhere, you know, no, I don't. I don't think that's where he is. Now, there obviously has been talk about him going to the Appalachian Mountains, right?

Like I said, people have talked about Mexico. People have even talked about Canada. Cuba. Yeah, Canada, Cuba. Yeah, Cuba. Yeah. Well, they were saying that his uncle owns a yacht place and that he could have easily got a boat to go to Cuba. Yeah, and you had said that and I was like, yeah, but, you know, would, what is his uncle, a police officer too?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But his uncle, there's no way he's going to implicate himself in this all BS. Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, that would just be completely dumb. I mean, I've heard crazier, you know, but there's no way.

I don't think. So is he in the Appalachian Mountains? Can he survive? And is that where I think he probably is headed? So obviously, if you had to guess if he's dead or alive, what would you say right now? He's alive. He's alive. Yeah, I don't think he would have killed himself at all.

And why would you, I'm just curious, why you think he would not have committed suicide at this point? Because I think he still feels like he has a chance. to prove his case even though he's on the run. So he thinks there's something that maybe went wrong. But I mean, I get what you're saying, but none of it makes sense.

No, I mean, I'm not saying that he's going to be able to prove his case. Yeah, but he's probably thinking that. Yeah, in his mind, he's like, listen, right now I'm the prime suspect. And he knows what he did, whatever that is. Because if he didn't do something,

he wouldn't be running, right? Right. So obviously he did something. I mean, you know. Or had no something or did something. No, he had to have done something. Like, why would you be running? You came all the way home.

You took her money out of her card. No one she was dead. Obviously, obviously, you know. And they went back. And then hitchhiked home. Yeah, but yeah, which is nuts to me. Well, I think he went back maybe to do something with her body. But listen.

It doesn't matter. The van was there, right? Mm-hmm. No, no. I mean, he brought the van home, right? No, the first time people are saying he flew home and then went back, I mean, went back. And there's several different reports of that. Yeah.

That he flew home or he drove home. But the second time he definitely drove home with the van. The van was recovered in his parents' garage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, I was lost for a second. So, yes. People are saying he went home twice on September 1st and then again on the like 11th or whatever. Yeah.

Yeah, so he's smart. he's not dumb and you know he didn't take a vehicle that we know of you know but you know also in the now there was a good point made also in the body cam footage that he had mentioned that they were going to go in a I think it was a Nissan Ultima is what they were planning on going across country and first which was interesting to me because you know they went in her van and you know I

know he had the Mustang, right? Mm-hmm. So where was the Nissan Ultima? Or I think it was Ultima. I'm not sure what a deal was that, but he did mention that to the police officer that they were planning on doing in their Nissan Ultima.

I don't know if he's, I don't know if he said my Nissan Ultima. I don't think he said that, but they were planning on doing it in that and then, you know, come to find out did it in the van. But I'm just curious where the Nissan Ultima thing came from. Yeah, I'm not sure. Now, police would obviously probably know about that by now, you know, whatever.

So my thinking is, the reality is this is crazy because his picture, as much as this being shared, is insane. Now, some people have said that his profile on Instagram has been private and then it went public again and then private again. And this is his profile on Instagram. And so, you know, does he still have his cell phone? Well, that would be the dumbest thing to do because they can track you on your personal cell phone. Right. And I read articles that he left his wallet and his phone. phone.

Yeah. I mean, because that would be, yeah, that would be, I mean, I'm sure he probably has a burner phone or something. Yeah. And I think it's been proven that he's, he's, he had a burner phone. But yeah, I mean, is he checking social media? Is he checking a news with a burner phone? I don't know. That would have, that would have meant he would have had to go in a store and buy a phone, like straight talk or something to be able to.

Yeah, which is possible. But we don't know if he did any of that stuff. So what, what did he do and how would he have done it? You know, most people just. think automatically that he would have just stayed there because it was the easiest thing to do, you know, but it's really not the easiest thing to do. And I think if I was in a situation, you know, I would be trying to get out of that area as fast as possible. And he did. And unfortunately, his parents gave him a two or three day period to do that. Advanced period, yeah. Which is two or

three days, the distance you can get in two or three days is a lot. Which were not even 100% positive. He was at his parents' house. The only people that have seen him physically, supposedly, is his parents. No one else unless you take that neighbor's camera thing. True. No one else has seen him. We know he was there because he brought the van back, right?

Right. And it was in the garage. Yeah, but, you know, when he left was probably pretty quickly. I mean, I don't think he hung out there. I think he probably got supplies there. Now, keep in mind, if he's an outdoorsman, you know, he had supplies, obviously. I mean, he would have had stuff in his parents' house if that's where he lived. That, you know, look, there was reports that he had spent time in Appalachian Mountains,

which we're going to get to in a minute. But when you spend, say, a significant amount of time, say, two months in the woods, and I've done this, when you spend that amount of time in the woods, you have to have to have. have a lot of supplies. You've got to have water filtration. You have to have natural fire starters. You know, there's various natural fire starters, magnesium and, you know, flint rods and all this stuff. And as a survival slash outdoorsman that spends that much time in the woods, you were going to have all that stuff. And most of the time, like for us, say, for example, all hell broke loose right now, Sherry. We have two bags that have everything we could need to

survive that we could get in and go. We have bug out bags. And we could literally. And we could literally go the Appalachian Mountains and we would be there for as long as we need to. Right. Literally. I mean. And we keep them packed. Yeah. As long as we need to and we could be there for months.

I don't really think that there's, I don't think there's anything we don't have in there that we couldn't survive for months or years. I really don't. I mean, now there has been speculation that, you know, did his parents or whoever supply him with a weapon also to go? I would think so. I mean, but a lot of people get it wrong. How are you going to kill game and how are you going to do this? You don't have to have a weapon to survive in the woods. You know, you don't have to have a gun to survive in the woods.

You can have a fishing pole in line to survive in the woods. I mean, especially if you're in Appalachian Mountains, which we're going to get to. But you don't have to have a weapon. I mean, you could have a bow and error. You could have a crossbow. You could have any of these things that will, you know, survive you for while. But what I was saying is we have we have stuff right

now that like I said we could get in the car go to Appalachian Mountains or go to wherever and survive for months or maybe even years. Which is why I think that's exactly where he is. And I'm just thinking like the first time he came home they said that he was moving stuff

into storage and then they were saying well they got in a fight and he was moving her stuff out in the storage whatever. They were saying he was moving stuff out in the storage but he could have been like preparing for this next endeavor and getting stuff ready if he didn't have it ready and when was this this was the first time he went to florida oh i got you right that's because they said this parents were getting a divorce and he had to get the stuff out is the reason why he had to come back and help yeah that's that's interesting

yeah and i did i remember i remember listening hearing that um so he came back and how long ago was that when that was like 15 20 days before he came back okay so it was like the end of august when he went missing is when he went to Florida and put stuff into a storage building. Has anybody even checked out the storage building? Oh, yeah, I think they did from what I saw, yeah. But even still, yeah, that whole thing. It just doesn't make it sense that he went there, then came back and then came back again. Yeah.

You know, without her. And keep in mind, before we get into like a little more about, you know, where we think he is, which we told you, I think he's in Applachian Mountains. and we're going to talk about how he can survive there and how long and what the difference is in him and Eric Rudolph. But, you know, I don't, I don't just from the outside end situation, and we're talking about coming back, I don't think he was planning on killing her.

No. I mean, I don't think this is a planned thing, and I don't think that this was premeditated. I honestly think that it was a heat of the moment situation that happened, and he screwed up. big time and panicked. It was like, oh shit. Because I think they, you know,

they'd obviously already been fighting. But can you imagine living in a tiny van with somebody for months? Yeah, but still. We argue in a big house. Yeah, but still. Yeah, but I hope you're not going to kill me. No. I'm just kidding.

Keep talking. No, I'm just kidding. But yeah, I mean, it's just like, you know. I think it was a big fight. I think something. happened. Now listen, I don't, I don't want to be, I don't want to say this and people get pissed off, but we also don't know how bad they fought, right? I mean, we don't know how bad she may have fought him, keep in mind. I mean, and I don't, we don't know that because we're not going to

point fingers. Yeah, but at the same time, I understand she is dead. He is not, right? But obviously, this was a relationship that was not. good. No, it wasn't. Because people, like, outsiders call 911 and people don't normally do that when they see people arguing. Yeah, unless it's pretty bad. Yeah, unless it's pretty bad. Like, if I see a couple arguing, I'll be like, Chad, did you see that? Did you see they're arguing? Should we call 911? We're like, eh, it'll be, they'll probably be fine. Yeah, and we don't ever, you know. Most of the time, people, even if they saw someone hit someone else, they won't call 911. I mean, most of the time, they'll just try to get their cameras out and film it so they can get it on TikTok.

Yeah, so I think it must have been something pretty serious for these people to call in the 911 call. Yeah. To see they, you know, basically said he slapped her first and then punched her and then pushed her into the van. Wow. Well, so, yeah, it's crazy. I mean, we don't, but like I said, we don't know their relationship and we don't know what happened. Like I said, I don't think it was a premeditated murder. And by the way, I'm not at all taken up for this dude.

This dude needs to be found. and he needs to be held accountable, period. But we also just don't know what the situation was, but regardless, he killed her. And he needs to be held accountable. He needs to be found. So I think he's in the Appalachian Mountains, and I say this because he spent time there before.

He spent a couple of months there, if I'm not mistaken, before in the Appalachian Mountains. He knows the area. He knows, you know, anyone that's not familiar with Appalachian Mountains, and I am because I'm from there, I grew up there. I've been in these woods and everywhere around there for years. And just so people know the Appalachian Mountains is a long, long, long trail.

Yeah, I mean, it's, well, it's, yeah. There's movies about this thing. Yeah, it's, it goes from Georgia to Maine. And, you know, most people that do a through hike on it, a good time is about five to six months. It takes you from Georgia. Most people start in Springer Mountain, Georgia and end up in Maine. Mount Lecont, Maine. And, you know, this is, it's a trail that many felons, many people that are on the run from law enforcement go to.

This is where they go. It is pretty easily accessible and you can access, you can access the trail from anywhere. I mean, so many places from Georgia to Maine, you can get on the Appalachian Trail. Needless to say, there's a lot of other missing people on these trails. Yeah, you can. that are missing. Yeah, there's tons of people. There has been numerous reports of people that have been murdered on the Appalachian Trail.

There was a recent one that was not long. I think it was last summer that this guy tried to hack up some people. I think he did kill someone with a machete on the Appalachian. I mean, and so so many of these people go to the Appalachian Trail if they're on the run from law. Because they know they can survive if they are survival. list. Yeah, and look, it's not just people that do heinous crimes like Brian Laundry or Eric Rudolph or whoever. Like we thought about trying it.

Yeah, but it's also, but what you have to understand is there are a lot of people out there that are criminals. Because regardless of whatever the case may be, they lost their job, they lost their family, they are wanted for whatever. It could be drugs. It could be anything. but a lot of people's first thought is, well, I'm going to go to Apple and Trail. I mean, especially people that think they can do pretty good in the woods, and you can.

I mean, if you're on the run, the Appalachian Trail is the place. And the reason I say it is because the Appalachian Trail is set up to help hikers. It is, yes, in the middle of the wilderness, yes, you can go off trail and just literally you could go, you could go 100 yards off trail, if even that. You could probably go less than that. I mean, there has been, there have been hikers that have disappeared off the trail that were found years later that were literally not even 100 yards off the trail, 50 yards

off the trail, that they never found them. And I'm talking about they had helicopters, they had everything. I've read many, many stories about that, like older couples. Yeah. You remember that woman that they survived for like a long, long time? She survived forever. Like 50-something days or something. Yeah, 50-something days and then she died, but they didn't find her until way later.

They looked everywhere. They went back and forth. They went all these places. She was really close to the trail. And she didn't even know she was close to the trail because she was so lost by then. Yeah. And it's just. But yeah, but that's my point is like you can, to escape, not only is the Appalachian Trail so much easy.

to not be found because here's the deal. In that 24,000 acre preserve or reserve, you basically have a park that closes probably at night, right? So they're going to be doing a lot of their scanning at night because then you don't have, well, obviously they're going to close the park during a day so you'll still be able to see during a day. But you can't close the Appalachian Trail. And listen to it.

And so when they're scanning it, Obviously, you have tons of people. Tons of people, yeah. And a lot of people, they go to, like, these different places where people start and meet and blah, blah, blah, blah. They leave canned food. They cook, people come and cook for people. They give them hot dogs, drinks. Like, I know for sure, because my girlfriend used to do that on the weekends.

They would go to the part where they. Trail Angels. Yeah, they're called Trail Angels, where they will supply people on the trail with food. Yeah, they're called Trail Angels. Yeah, you're exactly right. Yeah, they'll set up at different places. and there's so many little trails off the trail that you can just walk down the trail to a little town.

Most of the time you can hitchhike. You can put your thumb up and people all the time. There are people that do this all the time. Yeah, and people leave canned foods all the time. And there's also... They'll leave coolers. They'll leave whatever. Everything.

And shelters. There's tons of shelters along the trail. Sorry, go ahead. No, I was just saying, but there are people that come down the roads that are willing to take hikers anywhere to town to whatever to get food and supplies and whatever and then leave and the thing is you know you could you could easily depending on how much money had and that's the other question we don't know how much money he had saved or whatever we don't know but you know his parents could have gave him money yeah who knows

yeah you're very right but you know there are tons of places on applatch and trail you can just go off the trail being in a little town get what you need get off the trail, even if you're, even if you're recognized, you can get off, you can get out of a little town. There's so many of those little towns that are right off the trail. And so you can literally go in there and get supplies, even if you're recognized, get your supplies, head out, you're gone back in the woods, no one's ever going to see you again. But like you said, he's so familiar with a lot of other people, bald man, slim, there's a lot of people that fit that. Yeah, and, and keep in mind, too, depending on, you know, I don't know if he can grow hair or not.

I would assume he can, but he could grow hair out. He could look completely different now. Yeah. He can look completely different. He can look completely different. He can grow a full beard, anything. So here's the thing, too, is talking about Eric Rudolph. Eric Rudolph survived a long time in Western North Carolina Mountains, which is where I'm from.

Eric Rudolph survived out in the Murphy area and kind of out up in that wooded area. And one of the reasons that he survived. so well, even given the intensive FBI pressure and presence in that area, was that he had help from local militias. And Eric Rudolph, you know, Eric Rudolph kind of, I guess, made these people believe that...

He was the hero. He was the hero of everything. And he was, you know, he was doing... He was looking after people, and he was this religious guy that, you know, people need to believe in him and help them. and he really like... Yeah, he swayed him. Yeah.

And keep in mind, these militias hate the government and police anyway. And so that kind of got them on board with him until he started screwing over the militias. And... But Brian Laundrie's not going to have that, you know, protection. He's not. And he's not even going to have protection from anybody on the Appalachian Trail. I think pretty much whoever knows about him wants him to be caught.

Yeah. Like there's no one that's, like, rooting for him. him. Well, there are some people, like, on the Facebook groups that are rooting from some way. It's kind of like these crazy Karens, though, that love, like, serial killers and write down love letters and stuff like that. Those are the type of people that love Brian. I always say that those people should just go camping with Brian then. I mean, you know, like call him up, figure out where he's at, go camp. Go see how long you survive.

You just better bring a gun or something. But here's the thing about the Appalachian Trail. Yes, you can, first of all, depending on where you're at in the Appalachian Trail, there's tons of places you can fish. There's tons of places that are literally you can go to that have nobody. Now, I'm not saying when I say he's on the Appalachian Trail, I'm not necessarily saying that he's just going to go walking on the Appalachian Trail anytime soon, at least until he grew his hair out or did some other stuff.

He's got to be in that vicinity. Yeah. I think so. I don't think he can survive on the swamp. And I don't think he can even survive in public right now. No. You know. There's too many people that know who he is and it's too public.

I mean, this is international. People know him from different countries now. Yeah. People are looking for him. But, you know, and the bad thing is, you know, he does have some tattoos. So he's going to have to figure out ways to cover those up to be able to, you know, kind of hide out and subliminally. But the thing is that. thing about Appalachian Trail is he can get off

the trail in many places. You know, if he's smart, he's going to get near a river to where he can fish is going to be the easiest way for survival and food. If he has a little bit of money, I would find a river that was close to a little town somewhere, but also has no public around. So it's the wilderness. I mean, because basically

everywhere that is the mountains off of the Appalachian Trail is wilderness, besides wherever the little town is. So if you even study it for five seconds, and like I said, he spent time in the Appalachian Trail. So he's going to go somewhere he's familiar right and i don't think people talk about he's probably in utah now and no he's not going back to where she was found well even now even where close even that i don't

think he's going to risk traveling that far now florida to avillade and trail is kind of far i mean it is well florida to georgia and then up the trail yeah i mean i know but yeah i mean it's not near as far as as utah but yeah i mean but it seems kind of far um but it's not nowhere as far as going anywhere else And I don't think he's going to be able to survive in public, like in anywhere. You know what I mean? And he's going to have to get noise. Because everyone's looking for him. I mean, dog the bounty hunters is looking for him.

Oh, yeah. So there is now a $175,000 reward money on him. And like we talked about Upchurch, a law firm, some other people that have put, you know, forth money for this reward. And it's sad, I guess, that you've got to freaking put forth money for someone to talk. and I'm sure there's someone that knows where he's at and if I had to guess

it's probably his family but also you know you gotta think too everybody's like well you know he's got people to help him but man it's like

who would help someone that they think murdered a freaking his girlfriend or fiance loyal friends that believe his story that you know he's probably saying some kind of story that's not true

I mean loyal friends still even if you're saying a story that's not true Your friend should say, well, then turn yourself in, dude. Like, if that's the story, turn yourself in. Well, maybe he's saying, I'm going to, but I just got to get away until they figure out this, you know, mystery. There's no telling.

But I'm just saying right now, if anyone is on the Appalachian Trail and you find them and you listen to our podcast. And by the way, people do listen to a podcast on Appleich and trial. And you found them because I just want a little bit of a reward. No, we're kidding. I'm just kidding. We're definitely kidding. No, if anything, we'd put forth money for the reward. And maybe we should, maybe we should like do a fund, not a good fund me, but some kind of fundraiser or something.

No, I don't want to be in charge of anything like that. Forget that. No. But what I would like to do, what I would love to do, though, if I, if we just had all the time in the world and had a group of people that were willing to meet up, like at certain parts of Appalachian Trail, just as in. conspicuous people. Just like everyday campers and hikers. We say we send like three or four people on this, like the southern part of the trail, send three or four people a part of part of the mountain, like North Carolina part of the trip.

I know. But you don't understand how fast people move through here. And look, he's either going to move, which he's probably not going to move a lot. but hopefully I would hope if there's any you know if people even think this or consider that he's there which I hope law enforcement is I hope they have somebody in there

infiltrated on the trail because you would probably be surprised how fast you might be able to find him well they probably don't because like you said in the beginning there's a lot of criminals on that trail and they're not being caught no but criminals but those criminals are not plastered all over everything either.

And look, just because you're in Appalachian Trail doesn't mean you can't have cell phones or you can have service. Yeah, you can get service. Yeah, you can have a burner phone. Well, I'm talking about other people probably know about this. I mean, people on the trail. And, you know, like you said, there's people that do listen to podcasts on the trail. And, you know, if they're listening to this podcast, which very well could be, or our survival

podcast, which we should also do a podcast on there about this. You know, there are people that listen and maybe, you know, if more people need to be more vigilant, you know, especially on the trail. And I'm not talking about in public because I think people are definitely vigilant right now. But it's just like the fact the couple that realized they passed the van,

they realized it a week later after all the news came up and they're like, oh my gosh, remember they said we saw that white van and they had to go back through all their footage because they were also YouTubers or whatever. And then, you know, it was after the fact. but I think they were the ones that helped find her body because of their footage. They were.

Yeah, they were exactly the people that did. But they would have not gone back and looked if they wouldn't have known about the whole thing. But he's going to be able to survive. If he is in the Appalachian Trail, he's going to be able to survive as long as he needs to probably. And, you know, the unfortunate thing is, you know, he's either going, like I said, he's not just going to go hiking up the trail. He's not going to go hike to Maine. He's going to try to stay kind of off trail. Yeah.

Wouldn't you think? Yeah. But he's like close to a trail, off trail. But he has to have a way to the trail. That's the thing. I mean. Well, there's places all over to get on the trail. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, sure.

What do you mean? You're not, you know. Sorry. From Florida. He has to have a way to get there. He has to have a vehicle. He ain't going to walk there. I mean, and I don't think he's going to hitchhike right now.

Everyone in the freaking country knows who, Ryan Laundrie is, you know what I mean? So how did he get there? And if he's there, he may not even be there. But, I mean, I just don't think that unless, you know, unless he's somewhere hiding out with someone while his lawyers are trying to figure out some kind of defense for this. But I don't see that. Well, his parents did go to Orlando like two weekends ago. Yeah, to visit a lawyer.

No, that was, I think, last weekend. Yeah. Or last week. Or last week. whenever it was. People said they're doing an outing in Orlando, but I think they were visiting with lawyers. Yeah. No, they were, yeah.

So they might know something too still. I don't know. But I... That is a good question. How does he get to the trail without somebody helping him? Yeah. Someone would have to help. And obviously they're watching the sister.

Or he had a vehicle. Yeah, they're watching the sister. They're watching the parents unless he has like a getaway vehicle or something. Well, you know, and FBI has went to his house. A lot of the stuff, a lot of the things they were doing. doing at his house we're getting things for scent for dogs and so on and so forth yeah DNA stuff um all that which i mean you know well that was the first time they visited it was for like when they were searching for him because they finally called him as a missing person yeah and obviously he's

going to have DNA on you know on her you know i mean that's the thing like now the question is is i guess what they're going to want is to see if his blood was on her body anywhere, right? So, so depending on how this happened, right, her murder, I'm going to go ahead and I don't think she was shot. I don't think any of that. I think she was strangled or something. It's something that was a quieter murder. But, you know, people scream when they're murdered. I would think, unless he gagged her or something. Well, yeah, I mean, they don't know, you don't scream if you're being choked to death because you can't scream. Yeah, it's true. But what I'm saying is she would have been fighting back, right? And so blood would have maybe dripped or something. Um, so that could have been

a reason they're getting DNA, which obviously they're going to want his DNA anyway, but, you know, they were probably wanting to see if they can match. They may have found blood on her, right? And so that may have been from the fight. Or even through her fingernails like anything. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Any of that. Um, so yeah, I don't, I don't, is he at an ab legend? Well, if he is, he had to get away there. And I think that's possible. I mean, there, there's many ways you can get there. It's just risky, man. It is risky. Or we could be given this dude too much credit for being too smart.

You know, we really could. Well, you said he was an outdoorsman. He is. But that doesn't mean you're smart. I mean, you know, you may be smart in the woods, but that doesn't mean. I mean, and I'm not saying this guy as a freaking bear grills, you know. But, and I don't even know if Bear Grills is a great outdoorsman, to be honest with you. But what I'm saying is.

Sorry, Bear. I'm just saying I don't want to give this guy too much credit either but I think we have to look at all scenarios I don't think he went to Mexico I don't think he went out west

I don't think I really don't think he's in the reserve I don't think he went to Miami you know I don't think he would have ever thought about going to South Florida and try to escape anything what about the Cuba thing what about Louisiana

people said they saw him in Louisiana Yeah, but see, Louisiana's got a lot of people, man. I mean, and that's the same situation. You know, if you go into wilderness in Louisiana, you've got to alligators and wetlands. Yeah, you've got to get away from people if you're trying to run from authority. Yeah, and the closest place to the wilderness in the south is the Appalachian Mountains. I mean, there's no, there's, yeah, there is large swaths of land that you can go and, you know,

like in South Carolina, there's some and, you know, like the Sumter National Forest or whatever, but that's still not that big. and, you know, there's not enough places there that you can, you can almost have to go to like a trail. Yeah. And even like around here, you know, our Palmetto Trail goes into the Appalachian Trail. I mean, that one trail goes to another trail, goes to another trail. Well, no, the Palmetto Trail don't go into Appalachian Trail.

I thought it did. No, it just, yeah, no, it doesn't. I mean, it's close to the Appalachian Trail, but. It goes all the way to Myrtle Beach and beyond, right? Oh, yeah, you're talking about, yeah, the mountains of the sea trail. Yeah. Is that what it is? Yeah.

Is that what it is? Yeah, anyways. The mountains of the sea trail. I think you're right. Yeah, but no, that doesn't go. But you're, the Palo. I thought it is part of the Appalachian. No.

It's not. Uh-uh. Oh. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. It just, I think the Palmetta Trail is on the border of North and South Carolina. And then. But doesn't that trail go through there? No. No, because it never goes to Georgia. I mean, it may go to Georgia, but it doesn't go.

See, the Appalachian Trail starts in North Georgia, but it's away from me. I know. But it's away from me. South Carolina. Oh, it goes away from South Carolina. Yeah, you remember where we drove up to go to Murphy that time and those crazy winding roads? That's about where the trail starts and then it goes up for them. Wow.

That's a long way from Florida. Yeah, I mean, it is, but it's not as long as, you know, as it could be. But you know, even going up those windy, crazy roads, there was nothing else in those roads besides us. Well, there's a lot of places where we've been hiking. There's nothing around. Yeah. But that's exactly the place you want to be. Yeah.

I mean, it is. In the mountains. You want to be somewhere like there, but you don't, like I said, you don't really want to be on a trail either. At least until you grow your hair out and look different. That's about the only way you want to be out there. So do we think he's dead? No. I think he's in Appalachian Trail if he went anywhere.

But I think he's probably somewhere. I don't think he wanted to stay around Florida. And you can't, like I said, there's not a lot of places that you can go. And why do you think he would not commit suicide again? Oh. Well, I don't. Well, it's because I think. that he still thinks he has a chance, even if he gets caught.

You know, I think that, you know, a lot of people talk about he's narcissistic. Well, okay, if you're narcissistic in your mind, you're probably thinking, well, even if I get caught, I can probably get out of this. Right. You know, but you're probably not. Yeah, but he's probably thinking that. I'm going to get out of this, so. Yeah. There's no need to kill myself.

Or at least have a chance. Yeah. Most people that kill themselves just are very non-optimistic people. I feel like if you're a narcissist. You are not a non-optimistic person. You're more optimistic about, like, you're going to be fine. Yeah, about your situation, yeah. Because you are overly confident in yourself, you're whatever.

And usually, you know, that's what's going to keep him from killing himself. I don't think he's going to kill himself. I don't even think, you know, look, the parents didn't just accidentally forget to tell law enforcement that their son was missing for two or three days before and knowing that she was missing. Right. And also after police announced he was a person of interest. You know, this is not just, oh, well, you know, yeah, you went missing, you know, oh, man, it's crazy. But we're not going to talk to you about her. We're just going to talk about him missing three days ago.

Yeah. So, yeah, and that's what I'm saying. He is a, he was a person of interest. And then they knew he was a person of interest and yet still didn't tell law enforcement. And in my opinion, that's all. almost, I mean, you can't charge them when they. Well, you can't, you can't, because a person of interest is not mean they've charged them with anything. Yeah, so you can't do that.

But they are aiding and abetting somebody of interest. Well, they got to prove that. I know. Well, no, not. And I think the only one, the only one's gone on record is a sister about anything. Well, you can't really aid and abet anyone, though, that is not under a rest warrant. Yeah, I know. I guess that's not what I'm saying.

Yeah, I know what you're saying. Yeah. That is what they're doing, though. Yeah. It's just not the lawful, you know, it's not under the terms of that, I guess, is what I'm saying. No, you're right. But that's what they're doing. That's exactly what they're doing.

And I think they're going to have some probably bad times in the future because of this, you know, depending on whether it's proved or it's not. Right. And if he's found, when will he be found? If he's found, there's a lot of people looking for him, there's a lot of people putting money out there for him. Yeah, and also, I believe, you know, and people have said, oh, his profile went public and then private and private and public. That's more than likely law enforcement. Yeah. Or trolls or?

No, no. I mean, they would have had to have his password. Well, I'm just saying, what if it was fake account set? No, no, this is real account. Yeah, this is real account. Okay. No, it's more than likely law enforcement, probably. I mean, trust me, they are, they're going to have every account he has.

period. And they're going to log in and they're going to look at things and all that, but they're not going to lock him out of the account. They want him to log in that account because there are ways you can locate and triangulate someone,

even logging in social media. It depends on, sometimes you have to get a warrant depending on how much technology they have in that situation. But what it ultimately is going to take is tips, like the people that found Gabby,

the people that happened to drive by and figure it out, oh my gosh, we saw that van a week ago. That's what it's going to take, I think, to find this guy. And by the way, Brian Laundrie, if you're listening, just come forward, man, come out of the woods. Because look, let me give you your situation. Let me give you what you're going to have to deal with.

You're going to have to deal with being on the run forever and living your life in the woods forever. And that's probably not going to go well. You may be an outdoorsman that can do this and this, but if you've ever watched any of these shows, you know, you know that that shit doesn't last forever. You know, it's not easy forever. And, you know, just being an outdoorsman doesn't mean you're a survivalist.

Doesn't mean that you know how to survive forever. So eventually it's going to come to an end. Now, are you just buying time for your parents to set up defenses and all this stuff and try to figure out what your best course of action is to turn yourself in and so on? That could all very well be it. They may know exactly where he is right now. He may not at all be in Appalachian Mountains. He may not be any of those places.

The laundry family may be communicating with attorneys and getting a defense and all that stuff set up. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And that could very well be what is happening as well. And he's trying to lay low somewhere. Yeah, lay low until they do that. Look at the camper in the backyard or look in their front porch.

He might be really close and you don't even. know it. Yeah, I do, but I do think, though, at the end of the day, I think they're going to find him. But depending on how determined he is, it's either one or two things. If his family is getting his defense set up and ready to go for when he turns himself in, then it'll probably happen sooner than you think. If that's not the case, and he is on the run, and he's just, he has, he's decided, I'm not even going to try to face this, right? It could be a lot. long time before we ever see him, right? Or never.

Long time thinking months? I don't think it'll be more than months. Well, it depends. I mean, man. Probably not, but yeah, it could be months. I would say no more than months. Yeah, probably not because mentally he's going to be screwed. Yeah, unless he accidentally, like, dies on accident.

Which is very possible also. Yeah. I mean, because it is dangerous out there. Yeah. There's a lot of like steep cliffs. And if you get tired and you're, you know, you start getting reckless. if you don't have enough food, enough sleep. Enough water.

You drink the wrong water. Things like that. That's going to take your trip the wrong way, too. Or someone kills you because they know you are. Yeah. And you never know, man. You don't. There's crazy people on Abilagia.

It might be another murderer killing a murderer. By the way, I don't want to talk shit about Appalachia. It's great. If anybody could ever do that, do it. But I'm just saying... Oh, I don't want to do it now. We don't know where he is, but I do think it's either he's getting ready to turn himself in

and his parents are getting lawyers and all that defense set up, which I doubt that's the case, or he's going to try to figure out how long he can survive. Obviously, you know, his best chance would be to go to another country. That would be his best case. You know, best case scenario, figure out, find a way to get on a plane and get to hell out of there. And that's also possible.

I don't see it possible, but okay. Well, it is possible. I mean, he had three days before anyone knew who. who the hell he even was, hardly. Yeah, but with COVID and everything else going on, I'm sure they can track that. Passport, I'm going to Cancun. Okay, peace out. Get on a flight at wherever.

With his real passport? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he didn't turn his passport in. Why do you think in court cases they make you turn your passport in? Because there's really no way to, there's really no way to ban a passport. Yeah. You have to actually have it. you know, like it's it's not an electronic type system.

Right, right. You got to stamp a passport, right? Right. There is no electronic, which is, by the way, old technology on passports nowadays. Yeah, they really need to update that, I guess. If they updated it, well, I don't want to talk about that. I know, because that goes into the vaccination passports. Tyranny and all that stuff, yeah.

Yeah. But just think about it, though, if it was a new technology, you know, they could just be like, turn it off on a little app. off. Sorry, you're not going anywhere now. Yeah. I mean, I don't, trust me, I'm not advocating for that because I'm telling you, we're not going to go into our other podcast about that, but I'm just saying, I'm definitely not advocating for that. But yeah, so he could be somewhere else.

If he would have got a flight in that three-day period, he could be anywhere. Now, they would be able to know that because they would be looking for places where he used cards, IDs. Obviously, you've got to have ID for airline tickets. I'm sure they've already looked at that stuff. So that's probably unlikely, but it is possible. But I doubt it. Because the FBI are going to be looking at stuff. So more than likely he didn't do that.

But maybe he should have if he really wanted to not be caught. So I don't know. But, you know, if he's an outdoorsman and he wants to try it outdoors, Appalachian Trail is where I would be looking. That's really all I have. I just don't know how long he's going to survive. And I really hope that we find him alive no matter what. Yeah, because she needs justice and he don't need to take the bitch way out, I guess I should say.

Gabby needs justice in her family. Yeah, you're right. And everyone else that's been following this story. Like, you know, people really, they've got their hearts into this thing that have been following it. Yeah. Thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of people, you know, have been following this thing and realizing, like, what happened. You know, they went on this beautiful trail of, like, things that they thought was going to be good, and it ended up terrible. Yeah.

And you're exactly right. And so that song we started out with was called Golden Things. And it reminded me of Gabby and the whole situation. And that's why I wanted to play that. But we're going to end this podcast tonight. And it was Shadows in My Face by Ayo. And we pray for the laundry, or not the laundry family, because you know what? I don't think they're helping anything.

We're praying for the Petito family and we're praying that he gets caught and captured and faces justice and for the heinous bullshit that he's done. Exactly. And guys, we love you. Have a great night. And until we hear more news, we will be back with other topics. But we love you. Thanks for listening to Best to the Air with the podcast. Have a good night.

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