Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Government Overreach Conspiracy Podcasts | Uncovering The Truth Pt 2 With Xlear Founder Nathan Jones

Episode Date: May 28, 2023

In this captivating episode of the Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcasts, join me and the insightful Nathan Jones from Xlear as we delve into the pervasive influence of the government on the lives of its citizens. Prepare to be astonished as we uncover the startling parallels between our modern existence and a system that seemingly treats us like mere slaves. But that's not all—we also embark on an intriguing discussion about Russia, the enigmatic world of UFOs and UAPs, and provide an exclusive update on Xlear's ongoing FTC lawsuit. Trust us, this is an episode you simply cannot afford to miss! All of that and more on this episode of Government Overreach Conspiracy Podcasts | Uncovering The Truth Pt 2 With Xlear Founder Nathan Jones

Hello and welcome to Investigate Earth Podcast. I'm your host Chad alongside my beautiful wife and co-host Sherry. Say what's up, Sherry. Hey, guys. Hey, gals. Welcome to the podcast. This is going to be a great one. It's so great you won't even hear me the whole time.

It's going to be awesome. Now, Sherry did not do this episode with us. But we are recording intro for you guys just to say hello and kind of give you some updates. But as we're actually recording this intro, it is 7 p.m. here on the East Coast of the United States, It's May the 28th. Tomorrow is Memorial Day. We are going to be releasing this episode tomorrow. So we do want to say, number one, thanks for all of our service members that have laid down their life and just sacrificed for our country.

Those guys are the real heroes, guys and girls. And we got to be very thankful. But that's also the exact reason why we have to fight we as a people that has a platform that has a message. We have to fight and continue to fight for our freedoms because. the people that laid down their life before any of us ever had the opportunity to speak freely in a country like we have, which is the United States or America, those people literally gave their life for us to be able to do what we do here. And so although we are on our own battleground is nowhere close or nowhere as brave or nowhere as courageous, as so many of those that fought before, you know, in wars around the world. Absolutely. To defend our freedom.

Everyone that has defended our freedom, we applaud you and we congratulate you for helping us be where we are today. And we also comfort those that have lost lost ones. Yeah. So guys, Memorial Day, I know we're going to be hanging out with our family and friends, many of us anyway, cooking hot dogs and hamburgers and whatever we do in the United States for that. But just remember the reason why we are actually celebrating Memorial Day is to celebrate. the lives of the people that have lost to defend our freedom. And that's why we're so passionate about spreading our message as much as we can. And it's not just the United States as our message is going to. This is worldwide. We're all human beings. We're all people that deserve human rights and

deserve freedoms. And so this episode actually is an episode that I brought Nate on, Nate Jones, founder of Clear. He is a great friend of ours. And for those of you don't know, Clear, obviously, is the nasal spray company is the company that I touted so highly especially during the pandemic and during COVID and all that stuff to where I believe

it really saved me from a lot of those sicknesses and I think it saved a lot of you too. We got so many emails and messages during that time and so kind of since then Nathan and us have grown pretty close

and so I like to have him on and this episode by the way the reason why Sherry is not on it was 11 o'clock at night because we were trying to get Nathan's always traveling And so... Well, and our time difference is so different.

Even three hours is a big difference. I think it's two hours, right? I don't know. I think it's two hours. Yeah. But either way, yeah. I mean, he's traveling a lot, so to be able to get him in, he's like, look, let's do it 11. And he told me this at 6 p.m.

And I was like, dude, I just had a glass of wine at 6 o'clock. So I don't know what's going to happen to 11, but we'll see what happens. And then he called somewhere around 11. I was like, screw it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to bed. I'm exhausted. So anyways, it's just us kind of...

I guess you can say shooting and crap for about an hour and a half. We talk a little bit about everything. Government overreach a little bit about an update on his lawsuit and so on. We even talk a little bit about A-land. I tried to kind of get Nathan involved in some other topics as well, although it was very late. I was extremely tired, but I think it was a pretty good episode, so I think you guys will enjoy it. But anyways, other than that, updates-wise, we got a lot of cool stuff coming your way.

definitely have awesome stuff coming your way on substacks. So please hang in there with us on that. And there was something else I was going to say. Yeah, so we're going to also do the TikTok Fugia Part 2 coming up here shortly. It's going to be the next few days. Sherry's actually had a stomach bug, believe it or not. I go from having a cold to a stomach bug. But guess what?

No more bugs or sicknesses because I'm away from that. Yeah, hopefully not. But guys, that's it. So enjoy the interview with me and Nathan Jones, founder of Clear. And until next time, which will be very soon. See you guys later. Yeah. And don't miss me too much, guys, because I love you.

All right. Peace on, guys. Hey, everybody. And we are here with Nathan Jones, Clear Founder. Once again, Nathan, what's up? Hey. Another beautiful evening. I'm sitting here in Utah looking up the moon.

That's a quarter moon. And looking forward to seeing an eclipse in October here in Utah. I know, man. That's going to be nuts, right? Because we experience here in South Carolina, we experienced the full eclipse of the sun. I think it was around 1 or 2 p.m. And that was, what was that, like five years ago, four years ago, whatever it was? Yes.

And I actually saw that one. I went up to Driggs, Idaho to watch that. And that's actually right by where I grew up, which was the first one. one that I saw was in the same place. And it was in the late, gosh, I don't know, maybe the late 70s. Because I remember in the elementary school, they only let us look at it through a cardboard box. Oh, yeah. Like, did you have a hole in the box?

Like, how did that work? Well, they had a hole, and you had to watch the reflection of it. And I'm like, as a kid, I'm like, what that? No. And I turned around and I stared right out. I'm like, that's cool. Yeah, that is. And that's why I'm blinded.

Actually, I cannot make jokes about the blind. My brother-in-law, just yesterday, I think I mentioned this, put a nail in his eye. Yeah, you told me that last night, actually. And I called him up today to see how he was doing. He goes, well, my right eye, I can still see just fine. My left eye, if someone's standing a foot in front of me, I know someone's there, but I can't tell who it is. Wow. So you can only kind of see the base figures.

That's nuts. Yeah, but it's only been one day and they, you know, they've got it. They healed it. I mean, you know, the doctors went and worked on it. And he thinks it'll be a, you know, they'll come in for do a couple of surgeries and see if they can get any of these sight back. Yeah. Precaution. Wear safety glasses when you're using a nail gun and making a deck.

Yeah. That makes sense. Nathan, let me ask you something. Because we had talked last night, which is why. Sorry, that just went off. We had talked last night on the phone for like an hour or maybe even over an hour. But some of the things we were talking about last night was just kind of the state of what's really going on in this country. So tonight earlier, which we were going to do this podcast with you about what was what Sherry and I already talked about earlier in the night.

But I feel like, you know, we can elaborate on some of this stuff. and we talked about this earlier, but you know, you have 30, I think it's 30 tons of ammonium nitrate missing from a train from Wyoming to California. Hey, it's just somebody wanting to fertilize their fields.

Yeah, exactly. And we had talked about earlier. It's like it's probably just Bill Gates in his new farmland, right? Like, you got to have at least 30 tons on the millions of acres he's bought or whatever it is.

But anyways, I will admit, I grew up on a farm, but I am not a farmer, and I do not know how much ammonium nitrate I need per acre. No, I have no idea either. What we do know is, and Sherry made a good point on the earlier podcast, was, well, you could say that, like, you know, 30 tons, which I think I kept saying 60 on the earlier podcast, but 30 tons of ammonia nitrate missing, right? And I don't even know how to exactly equate 30 tons of that. I don't know how many train cars, you know, or whatever it takes to... One.

One? Yeah. Okay. Huh, interesting. I mean, that's what I'm guessing. I mean, you think about it. And so when you're shipping stuff on trucks, like a 40-foot cargo truck, a semi-truck, those containers can only carry about 20 tons.

Okay. And so if you're talking half that again, that's probably one or one-and-a-half train cars. Because I think, I'm not positive, but I think it's one of those big train cars is going to carry more than what a road. a truck over-the-road truck carries. Okay. So let's just say, for instance, they would probably, based on what you're talking about, they would probably disperse that over two cars, right? And those two cars, or, I mean, maybe, they would make that, you know, like half-full two cars,

especially something as dangerous as the ammonium nitrate, aka the fertilizer. So just say they put them on two cars. I don't know that it's dangerous until you mix it with... Yeah, you're right. with uh i don't even know i can't remember what it is they mix it with i mean i learned that a long long time ago but that was when i was a younger when i was wearing a younger man's clothes yeah you can mix it with fuel aka the whatever you can mix it with what is it aluminum or something or um i don't want i don't know whatever anyways so let's just say it's two though so the

official report has come out and said that these uh this 30 tons of ammonium not my trade just must have just leaked from Wyoming to California. And that's how all of this turned up missing. No, they did not say that. Oh, yeah, they did. Oh, my. The train company and whoever else it was talked about. Well, we think this is just missing, right?

This stuff came up missing, but there's no cause for concern. Mainstream media is not reporting on it. You name it. But did you ever see the Beirut explosion that happened in, what was it, 2020? I don't even know who was that. I guess it was after the pandemic started. Yeah. Yeah, it was.

Yeah. I believe it was. And this explosion you see from this, you know, there's many different angles of this explosion. But this explosion rocked this entire city. I'm talking about leveled buildings. you know, I think a quarter of a mile or more. And they had said that, you know, this, the amount of ammonium nitrate that actually caused that explosion

was far less than what the trains were carrying. I would, I can't remember, and I should have read up on that before we were talking about it, but I didn't. But I'm trying to remember what it, Well, it was supposedly, it was ammonium nitrate. Yeah, I think it was. I can't remember what it was. It was ammonium nitrate, but what supposedly ignited the explosion was fireworks,

like some type of fireworks in this facility that also housed ammonium nitrate for whatever reason. Who would be dumb enough to light off fireworks when there's ammonium nitrate there? Well, here's the thing. I don't know. That's a good question. But you know, ammonium nitrate is also used in dynamite. it is the main source in dynamite. And so maybe this facility in Beirut was a, you know,

because if you think about fireworks and ammonium nitrate, which is a, you know, big substance in dynamite, maybe this was a processing facility that had this ammonium nitrate on hand. I don't know if I would agree with that. I mean, it might have been, but I think it was probably more of a agricultural thing because from what I saw from the pictures, and again, I haven't seen these pictures in a while,

it was more of, you know, like grain silos and more of an agricultural shipping port. Yeah. Where they actually bring grain into Lebanon and fertilizer into Lebanon to fertilize. I mean, you've got to think those fields over there in Lebanon. It's been farmed for like a million years. So why the hell would you have fireball?

The largest known piece, the largest piece of stone carved by man and moved by man is actually in Lebanon. And I would love to go see it, but I don't know if I love to go see it as much as it would take me to go into Lebanon right now. Yeah. No, I mean, you're right. It's a dangerous, it's a dangerous area in a lot of places in the world right now. we also talked about earlier besides the ammonium nitrate these senators which when we talked earlier

you had already knew about this but the senators that have been issued satellite phones like this is as of the past week so these senators are issued satellite phones in the case of emergency and as Sherry and I talked about earlier

on the last podcast they're literally trying to say that the reason why they issued these satellite phones of senators was because of potential January 6 situations that may come up. So they're literally trying to blame it on January 6, which, by the way, satellite phones January 6th, I have no idea how they're connecting that. But if you think about all the radiation pills that were bought, you know, $200-something million worth of radiation pills, which occurred in... Oh, hey, hey, I just want to clarify that.

Yeah. $200. $200 million worth of radiation pills when our government buys it, that's like seven or eight pills. Yeah, you're probably right. Yeah, you're probably right. Yeah. That's like seven or eight pills. I mean, you know, we're going to be, we're still going to be chopping those up into three or four pieces just to share them just to get with the, you know, just to just share them.

Yeah. Well, the radiation pills and as we talked about it, I don't think this has to. to do, I don't think the radiation pills, which happened in late 2022, but the satellite phones that were issued happened this past week in the government. And not only that, these facilities that, I think it's, you know, I don't know, many senators are going to vacation at this Memorial Day weekend, which are basically underground bunkers. They are the underground bunkers that are made for nuclear fallout. This is where many of these senators are going this weekend. These are all proven. It's all Newsweek.

And we actually, you know, we told our sources earlier when we were talking about this. This is not some conspiracy theory that sounds like some craziness that you're going to hear in some sci-fi book. I'm going to tell you it is craziness. The reason why it's craziness is who wants to spend their Memorial Day going into some bunker. having a vacation down there. Yeah, I have no idea. I mean, and I think that's the, I think that's the big issue is what is the government hiding from us?

You know, we had read in the last podcast about the government back in the day. Now, when the Cold War happened and all of that, Soviet Union and others were creating shelters for their, in large part, a large part of their citizens. public. This has been reported by historians. It's been well documented that the Soviet Union and there were someone else, but they were making these fallout shelters, these doomsday... Can I put something in right there?

I've been to Russia. Yeah. I went to Moscow back in, I want to say 2001. And they actually made their subway. Their whole subway in Moscow is super deep. It's way deeper than what it needed to be. And it is absolutely beautiful. And the reason why they made it that way is because they figured that if they were going to have to go down there and hide out during a nuclear war,

they wanted it to be artsy, they wanted it to be nice, they wanted to be it artistic so that they could have it enjoy it while they were down there. So I know for a fact that what you're saying is true. Yeah. And the funny thing about this is the United States government back in the cold. War days only made shelters for the elites and politicians. That's a fact. Greenbrier. Yeah, they never made anything for the public.

And I think it was Switzerland, if I'm not mistaken, I had read this earlier. But Switzerland, I believe, is a country that actually made shelters for 100% of their citizens to survive a nuclear type attack. But Soviet Union and other countries do this for their citizens. in a large part, the United States is the only country that has said, you know what, F the citizens, and we're just going to make sure we protect ourselves. Now, what they did do during the Cold War was they had what they called fallout shelters, which is after the blast for citizens.

And many of these shelters that they would put across the United States were, you know, they had these yellow signs on them. and a lot of times it would be in parking parking garages which obviously most parking garages you never opened so it was like a false hope the government was given to the people that if this

happens guess what there's all these places which are also not at all protected by actual fallout because people were just dumb and they didn't realize what any of that shit really even meant so it was a false sense of security so the reason I'm talking about this I think our government has a great history of giving

the citizens a and I'm putting the air quotes up a false sense of security. I mean, you know, even during the Cold War, they were doing that. And I grew up during the Cold War. And, you know, you see that. And they're having us do these little hide under the desk. I mean, I grew up in a small town in Idaho. We were never going to get hit by a nuclear bomb. I mean, what's in Idaho?

Yeah. They're going to nuke all of us potatoes up there. That would be crazy if they had something against potatoes. say you'd be screwed. We'd have fried potatoes all the time. Yeah, exactly. Microwate potatoes. But anyways, no, but the thing is, is they had us do that.

And even as a kid, I remember growing up going, oh, man, our government, they're taking care of us. They got this. We got it. And we'd have to be doing all these things and hiding under the desks. Yeah. And when I got older and I actually joined the military and went out and they gave me training where you're laying down.

And I can't remember you put your feet toward the blast. And I really, we just said, drill sergeant. Really? Is this really going to save us? And he goes, no, probably not. No, it's just ridiculous. Put your feet towards the blast. Now, you should really put your ass towards the blast and bend over and kiss your house.

No, no, hang on. Hang on. It was, you put your fate, you face the blast and lay down on the ground because what kills you is not the blast itself. It's everything getting sucked back into the blast. So you look toward the blast. Yeah. And I'm probably going to get busted. for confidential and what do they call that secret information because that was in my military

handbook and now I'm sharing it online. It's probably a statute of limitations. Don't worry. I hope. I hope. It's probably 75 years. Probably so. You're screwed still.

So yeah, they used to tell you this, which is nuts, right? I mean, like, let me ask you this. Have you thought about like how close we actually are to, you know, how confident and comfortable American citizens have been for so long to be able to go down the street to a grocery store or to a Starbucks or to a pizza place. And it's just always there. Everything's so comfortable and so easy going in the United States. And people don't realize that like, you know, we're one massive war, one massive country from either bombing us, attacking us, invading us, away from that never happened again. I mean,

Do you think we're closer now than ever before to that scenario in your opinion? I don't know. And the simple reason is that we don't know because, and this is my personal opinion, but I think our government is censoring what we are, what we're hearing in the news. I mean, I keep hearing and I travel overseas a fair amount. And so I hear when I'm traveling overseas that Ukraine's losing their war. Then I come here and I hear that they're winning it. And then I go to Europe and I go to England.

I was in England a couple of, what, two weeks ago at a dental conference. And they were caught. And I was asking, they're like, no, no, they're winning. And then you go to some other countries. And they're like, no, no, they're getting their asses kicked. Yeah. And so you really don't know because the censorship that has taken hold in our government is so ridiculous that we can't even know what that.

the truth is because we can't understand it because it's been so long and so deep the censorship that how do we know what is right? How do we know what is true? Yeah. It is weird. I mean, it's like as smart as you think you are, right? I mean, and I'm not saying you, I'm saying anyone like myself. Like if you think you're smart and you're, and I mean, that's the point in this podcast is trying to get out information. What we feel like is this. the truth. I mean, and that's why we, it's hard. Like the Russia, Ukraine thing is very, it's a hard topic. Like, because what is the truth? And even if, you know, you go and look at this or this or this source or whatever, we still don't actually know what the hell is going on. And I think you make a good point is like the level of propaganda, like a mass sciop operation, which has been going on for a long time.

but but like how did we get i i can here okay here's my point how did we get like was was the fact of the government somehow being able to lawfully legally and morally own basically own the people that it governs like has that always been the case like is that what government was for was to own and enslave the people has it always been about that or is that something more recent I mean, I know that's kind of deep. Hang on. And I think I mentioned this the last time I was on there, and this is my own personal experience. But, you know, the last time that I was on your podcast, we actually talked about how our government is suing me. Yeah.

Because when COVID came out, there were all these studies. And I'll bring this back. But there are all these studies that showed that just washing your nose, whether you want to do it with saltwater, whether you want to do it with baby shampoo, whether you want to do it with xylitol. Yeah. any of these things. And when the companies, not just me, but the other companies were sharing these studies that had been done, showing that just washing your nose would help the government went after everybody. And how this wraps back is that 23 years ago, when I first started this company,

we were actually putting ads out saying, hey, washing your nose prevents ear infections and babies. And the reason we were doing that is because my dad, who was a physician, was using it to prevent ear infections and babies. That's what he invented it for. And when we put those ads out, we got a letter in the mail, paper mail, snail mail, from the FTC. And they said, hey, you're making some claims here. You need to call us and have a chat. We called up the FTC. I called them up myself.

And I'm like, hey, you know, what's going on here? We had a chat for half an hour, 45 minutes. We knew what the ground rules were. Everything was fine. End a story. Moving forward, we never had a problem. For 20 years, we never had a problem because we knew what the ground rules were. Because the government was actually working with the people so that we could actually do what it was.

And when COVID came around and we had studies showing but washing your nose reduced hospitalization and death by 8x, 90% 8x, 8x. eight times okay why is it that if our government knew that in may of 2020 they weren't sharing that and why is it that they were suing people and sending warning letters to people telling them not to share those studies and it's exactly what you just said because the government that we have today is not a government of the people for the people it is a government of the bureaucrats for the bureaucrats. Yeah. But how did we let that happen? I mean, you know, okay, well, compare our government now to, say, early 1900s. Like, where do you see the difference? I mean, were they still the sleazy POS type of people that we're seeing now? I mean, and even by the way, since doing this podcast, hang on, I don't, I don't think that you can even compare the sleazy POS

in our government at the turn of a century to the traitorous sleazy POSs that work in our government as bureaucrats today. Yeah, that's the question I have, I guess. And the reason why I'm saying that is because the bureaucrats that are working in our government today, especially in the FTC that I just mentioned, those guys, what they did

and then going out there and censoring the sharing of published scientific papers, caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands and trillions of dollars wasted. Oh, absolutely. And they're sitting here now and having a debate about the debt ceiling. Yeah. Well, think if we hadn't spent $3 trillion, and if we hadn't screwed up this last three years of COVID so horribly. And this just came out.

I don't know if you saw this. And I'm trying, I think it was Forbes, but one of these magazines came out and they said, they estimate that the COVID pandemic, the way that it was handled, cost our country $14 trillion. And you said pandemic, which is funny, because I haven't heard that a lot, actually. Well, that's my word. And the reason why is because you have a plan, you know, people talk about a pandemic. I don't know that it was planned, but you have, what we had is you had a virus that got out. Yeah.

And within a couple of months, doctors knew how to handle it. There were articles in the Journal of the American Medical Association talking about nasal irrigation, washing your nose, reducing viral load, and everything like that. They were ignored. The government censored those. Everything after May of 2020 is a pandemic. And it's a pandemic of our own making. Of our public health officials, it's a pandemic of their making.

Yeah, it's kind of, I mean, well, your situation, and this is the reason why, you know, we ever talked in general. You know, I'd reach out to you guys. But, you know, the weird thing is, though, is like, how do you compare your situation during the whole plandemic, planemic? How do you get... Yeah, pandemic, sorry, yeah.

How do you compare your situation with, you know, like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and, you know, the mass media campaign to really silence those, although I don't think, I guess the big thing it was, is like, if clear as a company, which, by the way, it did get some traction during that time because of the being sued, right? Your company got traction because they got sued and people started looking into this. And then when they looked into it, they saw studies. And then people were like, hey, you know what? This is a thing. and we had talked about on this podcast.

Yeah. But what the reality is, is like, during that whole time, there was a mass, there was a mass effort by the number one government, number two media, which is basically one and the same now, to silence all potential cures, or I'm not going to say cures, but potential benefits or aids or remedies, whatever you want to freaking call it, anything that actually showed really good evidence to work. And we're not just talking about clear nasal spray.

We're talking about quercetin and zinc and how that works very similar to hydroxychloroquine and all of this stuff. But all of that was silenced. All of that was being banned. There was even supplements being taken off the market and being reintroduced as a drug to be only prescribed, which were some of these things that were working. in your case you got sued by the FTC because you only get sued really by the FTC if you're either really causing harm or what you are doing is causing harm to their initiative or gender,

which is what I feel like, you know, the government and the what was going on during the, in my opinion, and when I say this, pandemic, because the only reason that they would work so hard to silence Ivermectin, hydroxyxyxyxyquine, Queryquine, quercetin, zinc, vitamin D, and clear nasal spray that actually killed the thing. It could have prevented, like you said, hundreds of thousands of deaths is only if it was some type of plan, right? I mean, and I know you call it, and I guess you're shying away from the plan side of this. So it's either... I'm just simply shying away from it because I don't know.

Yeah, you don't know. You're right. I get it. It's a very parent that somebody is planning something, but I don't. don't have that data in front of me. But what I do know is that even if it was a pandemic, that after May of 2020, anything that happened after that, because there were studies published in the medical literature and our public health officials had it, the CDC had it.

I know they had it because I sent it to them. Okay? I know they had it. I know they ignored it. Yeah, absolutely. But I know they had it. Yeah. But it's really not any different, though, because I mean, you get to think, like, nowadays, if the government does something that is obviously either illegal and unconstitutional doesn't matter anymore.

I mean, it's, it's, you know, who's holding them accountable? Who? Because the media is not. I mean, and that was, that's what a lot of people fell to, to remember is like, the one thing the people did kind of used to. have was media. Like actual credible journalist that would hold the fire to the toes of politicians or government. I mean, that was what... Let's just say bureaucrats. Yeah, or bureaucrats.

And they don't anymore. And I want to point this out because I've been out in the last three years since the pandemic started, I've actually been out to Washington, D.C. more times than the rest of my life combined. Yeah. And I've met with people on both sides of the aisle. And people on politicians, elected officials on both sides of the aisle, are just as frustrated with what is going on in these three-letter agencies in the FDA, in the CDC, in the FTC, in all of these agencies, they are just as frustrated as we are. You know, what's his name? Ron Johnson?

Famously, you know, he sent this off with a bunch of questions, a list of questions, a senator. a bunch of questions over to the FDA, and they responded, and it was a piece of paper or a bunch of papers, with a whole bunch of black lines on it. Everything redacted. And he famously held it up and goes, yeah, I asked for a bunch of information, a bunch of questions to be answered. This is what I got. I mean, if the FDA, if the three-letter agencies won't answer questions to a senator, what chance do we have? Yeah.

I mean, and, you know, we put in, and a lawsuit, we put in questions to him and the, and the stupidity that comes out of these three letters. I mean, let me explain this. We just got this today, and so it's fresh on my mind. But we put in the request for admissions in a lawsuit. And, you know, you're just saying, hey, is this true? Is this true? Is this true? So you have a basis of where their arguments coming from.

And we asked them a very basic question, which was, which was something along the lines of our high. Hygiene practices accepted as a common-sense way to stay healthy. You know, hygiene. Yeah. Taking a shower, washing your hands, brushing your teeth, you know, wiping your behind after you use the toilet. You know, that's hygiene things. And you know what their answer was? What?

No. It's not. Yeah. I mean, how stupid is this? Well, and here's the thing. I think, you know, Nathan, one of the thing is. I've learned because we've known each other for a decent amount of time now and talk to each other a lot.

I think that, you know, like when we bring you on the podcast and we, the first episode, which did really good, by the way, government overreach and talking about that. I think, like, even given your situation, and I want people to understand the listeners listening right now, you're not one of those people that just is a ten full hat wearing conspiracy theorist that believes

all this crazy shit. That was what I, number one, knew kind of about you from the beginning. But it's just when you have had the chance to now have to go through kind of what the government can be, right? Especially

as a citizen, a business owner, someone that's trying to do good for for yourself, but, you know, in this particular case, for other people, you know, it's not a good thing because the government doesn't like that. But you're not a conspiracy theorist. You're not someone that just, you know, is out there to try to say all this. Your experiences and why you have been so passionate and invested in this is because I don't think, I guess, we realize the FTC battle you're fighting is a huge battle in the course of our future.

or whether a lot of people realize it or not. Well, hang on. So let me go back and explain that because the battle that is being fought right now at the FTC, the FTC for decades, has been trying to get rid of the natural products industry. Yeah. Okay? And what they're trying to say is that any health claim that you make now has to be substantiated with two RCT. T's. And the argument that they're making that we said is we said, xylitol, we have studies showing that xylitol blocks the ability of SARS COVID-2 to adhere to tissue. And they came back to us and said, no, you can't do that. Even though that's the industry standard, that's what you do for drugs. You can't do that. You have to go and do it on a human airway tissue. So we went and did it on human airway tissue.

exactly what they said. And then they came back and said, no, you have to do it in a clinical trial. Well, to show that xylitol blocks adhesion, that's not something you show in a clinical trial. Yeah. You show drug efficacy in a clinical trial. And we learned 20 years ago that even if we do drug trials, if we do a clinical trial showing that clear, it does not. And I want to clarify this right now, clear does not cure cancer. It doesn't.

But if we did a clinical trial that's showing that clear cured cancer, that would make clear a drug, which it's not. It's a hygiene tool. Which then the government would be in control of. Correct. I mean, which is also not good. And so what the issue is, is we don't even care to do studies showing that washing your nose would prevent any kind of a disease, like COVID, like ear infections, like, you know, respiratory infections of any kind.

Logic would tell you that that would happen. If we can show you that xylitol blocks adhesion of certain pathogens like strepneumal, H flu, MCAT, staff, H1N1, RSV, SARS, SARS, COVID2, all of these pathogens that we're breathing in our nose, if we can show you that xylitol blocks that, we hope that the American public is smart enough. We hope that the global public is smart enough to say, well, If it's going to block that in my nose, what is that going to do for my body? Is it going to help my body be healthy?

Or is it just going to be nothing? Does it just mean nothing? Yeah. And by the way, I just remember you talking about this. What I was going to actually say earlier was that you're not a conspiracy theorist, right? But you still believe, I think in part of you, right, you are, you try to be the least conspiracy theory. thought person, even given what you're going through, right? So, for example, we sit down with you, we talk about this, you are in a battle with FTC, you have been because your product basically does

do what most people know it does, which is, you know, it does kill, I believe, flu and many virus type things, but including COVID. We can actually say that it kills a virus. We cannot say that it prevents the flu. We know that it kills a virus that causes the flu. We know that it kills a virus that causes COVID. We can't say that it prevents COVID. Okay. Because COVID is a disease.

Which, you know, what the funny thing is, though? The government was allowed to say that the vaccine was going to prevent you from getting COVID, although that was 100% bullshit, and they knew that from the beginning. And the government is not supposed to actually say that. Yeah. Well, they did. because they can do whatever they want. But you know, the funny thing is like when we sat down with your buddy, Peter McCola,

which you hooked us up with that Dr. Peter McCola with that interview, you know, one of the things as a doctor, as a very seasoned physician, one of the most cited cardiologists anywhere, you know, Dr. Peter McCola alongside John Lake. But Peter McCola sees this situation as, you know, kind of from their perspective, of the big picture, right? Like, you're, for example,

your situation seems really bad for your company, and it is because of, you know, but it's also kind of good. But what I'm saying is, you see this as like, they're coming after me

and it's just whatever. And you also see the, a little bit bigger picture. You've seen it now. But like when you sit down... I want to point this out. I don't feel like

they're coming after me. Yeah. What I feel like is that they're coming after hygiene. They're coming. coming after prevention. They're coming after solutions that keep you healthy. Yeah. Okay. And I don't even think that it's just our government. And I, and maybe I mentioned

this earlier, but I was in London a week ago. And I was there for a dental conference in Birmingham, the Birmingham dental conference. And they had this, and it cracked me up. I mean, I was pissed. And I had a hygienist that lives in the UK that was with me. And they were pissed, too. but you had someone who talked for 45 minutes on diabetes and tooth decay. And for 45 minutes, they talked. And you know how many times they mentioned the number one thing that affects both of those? What do you think it is? Sugar.

Sugar. Yeah. Exactly. Not one time in 45 flipping minutes did they say sugar. Yeah. And that is absurd. And the thing is, is that it sounds, it's not even that it's a conspiracy, and I'm putting the air quotes up here. It's not that it's just a conspiracy here.

It's that everywhere in the world they're pushing this because sugar is everywhere. Yeah. And sugar, I mean, I'll go back and I'll fight this battle day and night. But you can go back to the 60s and the 70s when they started talking about tobacco causing cancer. Well, they knew in the 30s that sugar caused cancer. And I think I've told you that. But you go back to the 30s and you have Otto Werberg in Germany who was doing all this research. I mean, he won the Nobel Prize at least once, maybe even twice, for the research that he did.

But he pointed out even in the 30s, 1930s, that sugar was causing cancer. And his research was so important that even during World War II, an openly gay living with his partner, a Jewish person lived in Berlin and the Nazis protected him through the entire war. Yeah. They kept him alive because even they understood the value of what he was saying. Now, do you think- Because sugar causes more cancer than tobacco ever did. Now, okay, so when we say sugar, do you say that, like, would you consider, a potato, a baked potato, a sugar, because of carbs?

I would. I would, and I have a bag of potatoes in there that I'm taking to the lake tomorrow, and we're going to eat them. Okay, well, that's what I'm saying, like, okay. But more what I think they're talking about when they say that is refined sugar, refined carbohydrates, where you're taking the sugar out of the body of the plant that it came in and concentrating it and then eating it. Yeah. And I try to use this, and I don't even know if this is a great analogy, but I use this when I'm talking to Dennis and Doctors,

and they seem to think it's a good analogy. But it's like you take a lawnmower and you put 100 low lead, which is airplane fuel into a lawnmower. Yeah. Okay, you take, if you take a potato or a plant or an apple that has sugar in it and you put it out there and you start feeding it to tissue, there's a whole bunch of other stuff that they have to work through. But if you just feed it straight sugar,

that's like taking a lawnmower that has this lower refined gas and loading it up with 100 low lead, you're just going to burn that motor up. Yeah. And that's what's happening. That's what's causing the cancers. We're just burning our tissue up. Yeah, that's nuts.

I mean, and you know how much, I mean, there's a big industry. You know, you hear a big pharma, big, medicine or big, what is it? Shit, I can't remember that Dr. Peter McCullough. You got Big Pharma, but in my opinion, the best way, if people want to fight back against Big Pharma, the best way to do that, in my opinion, is stop eating sugar, be healthy. Yeah. You know, the three pillars, the three pillars of great health is actually nutrition. Yeah.

Okay. understanding what kind of a body you have, doing what you need to, you know, I tried being a vegetarian, and when I was a vegetarian, I got up to like 340 pounds. Yeah, I've heard people say that. And so being a vegetarian doesn't work for me. Yeah. And so I eat a very low-carb diet, and I'm rather healthy now. I mean, you've seen me.

I'm not, you know, a toothpick. But, you know, I try to be healthy. And I work out every day almost. You know, I go down in my basement and I work out for about an hour and a half a day and hygiene. Yeah. And those are the three legs of, in my opinion, what I think public health officials should be talking about. They should be talking about hygiene and sanitation, which hygiene is personal, sanitation is community. They should be talking about nutrition and health and diet, and they should be talking about exercise.

But you realize you're fighting a battle against people that built, nuclear shelters for themselves and none of their citizens. That's true. Oh, my God. That's what's crazy. Selfish little bastards. Yeah, I mean, and I don't think, I mean, I guess, I mean, most of our listeners understand how selfish they are.

Those guys are all dead. They're not the ones out there now. That was back in the 50s. The ones we have now? So much better. They're thinking about us. Yeah, I'm sure they are. I mean, think about it, though.

You know, actually, what we're. we talked about earlier, compare the government to early 1900s to now. Well, compare, like you just said, 1940s even to now, or 30s, Cold War was what? Well, yeah, it was... The Cold War was 1948. 48, yeah. 1947.

Yeah. To 1995-ish. Yeah. So compare that group of people to now. You know, when they were building shelters from themselves, can you imagine what they're not doing for you now? Oh, my God. Which I think we're seeing it.

I think we're filling it. I think we're seeing it. I think we're experiencing it. And so now it's just like how little they are actually doing for the people is just so obvious now. Like it is being seen across every industry, every market, and every facet of your life, including your end result of what you're in a lawsuit for, which is, hey, we have this. Trying to help people. Yeah, we have this. Yeah, you're exactly right.

we have and by the way sherry and i talked about this on the podcast either night and i don't know if you listen to this episode or whatever or didn't but um about i don't know five six seven years ago i started seeing some of these survival people on youtube these survival uh youtube channels these these guys that go out and do bushcraft and survival i started seeing them start complaining about being shadow banned or censored on youtube and i was like what in the hell would they be censored or shadow band for And it's because of the fact that, you know, as some of them came out, it was pretty obvious. It was they were teaching people how to be self-sustaining or self-reliant.

And that is a big threat to the government. And it's the same way that clear nasal spray and hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin and all of these things are cheap that people can get, that's self-sustaining. that that that that deviates from the government's agenda in my opinion of how they are going to operate and I even go beyond the government I go to New World Order World Economic Forum if you want to just dig or you know deeper but this is you can't you can't get in the way of their agenda you cannot get in a way of their plan of what they're trying to do and by things that help the people is just another deterrent,

especially if you have something, especially if you have something like a nasal spray or like Ivermectar, hydroxy corkine, or some of these other things that really could have saved millions of lives potentially, right? Potentially, they could have.

I'm not even going to say potentially. I think the studies are out there, not my product, but people, they had just, if the government, if public health officials had just said, your nose with salt water.

Yeah. Salt water. They don't even have to step it up to utilizing something like Clear, which, you know, and I think I explained this last time, but, you know, when you're washing your nose and washing your hands, there's, you can rinse with water. Yeah. And you can rinse with xylitol, which is kind of like using soap and water to wash your hands. But our government, they shut that down too.

And the only logical reason that makes sense for that is because they wanted, they wanted, they wanted, to build a taxpayer, 3,000, 4,000, whatever it was for a round of Remdes, run, death is near. That's a doctor told me that he was. Yeah, we don't call it Remdesivir. We call it Run Death Is Near. Yeah, that was not good. Doctors told me that. And, but, you know, but they're charging.

And the thing is, is that what they have is they're milking us and it should piss us off. Oh, yeah. I mean, even the war in Ukraine, whether you agree with it or not, you should understand. And every American and everybody should understand this, because I know you have podcast listeners outside the U.S., because I've actually been outside the U.S., and I've talked with some of your podcast listeners. Yeah. But they should understand that the money that we're sending to the Ukraine is roughly $220 million for each congressional district. It was just nuts. It's crazy.

That's incredibly nuts. Yeah. Okay? Because that comes down, I mean, now I'm trying to do the math in my head, and I can't remember what it is, but it comes down to like a couple of grand per person. Yeah. So if you're sitting there at home going, I really like the war in Ukraine, I think we should be supporting it.

Are you willing to write a check for $5,000? Because guess what? You already have. Yeah. Whether you like it or not, you have always. you have already written them a check for that much. That's a good point. And no one looks at it that way, though.

It's, yeah, you don't realize. The trillions of dollars that our government shoveled out to Pfizer and to Moderna and to these other drug companies, everybody's sitting there going, oh, the vaccines are free, you should get them. Oh, run death is near as free. You should go get it. Oh, this is free. It's not free. we're paying for it.

Our tax dollars are paying for it. And it's absolutely absurd that our government, that the bureaucrats and the government is sitting here going, well, we can print some more money. Nobody cares. We can print some more money because we're not even spending our money. We're spending our grandkids money.

I mean, we're not even to the point we're spending our kids money. It's our grandkids money. Yeah, and I think that's a point, too, is like, even to your point, I mean, you just reminded me of something else, Remdesphere or run death is near. You know, this was a medicine they introduced to supposedly help people. While they were outlawing things that actually worked, they were implementing things that killed more people.

I mean, we don't actually know the numbers on potentially how many people actually died or was long-term disabled because of Ramdesivir. We'll probably never really know, but we know that it's probably a lot more than you think potentially. and I mean and this is also besides early treatment but like at what point you know and this this goes back to to you Nathan saying well I don't know if it's a plannedemic right I don't know if this thing was actually planned right and I get it and and you know I'm not saying you should say that but as we talk about all this to ramdesivir the the fact they're suing you and the fact they're suing or or trying to discard or discredit any other thing that helped people people and the pre-treatment things that were almost like if you're a doctor, you know that

this is not going good, so you've got to do something else, but they didn't. They continued the same bullshit. Like, how many of those coincidences can happen before we realize that this was something majorly planned almost down to a T? Well, I don't, even if they planned it, I would have to disagree that it was planned down to a T. I think it might have been planted of the higher levels, but I don't think they planted down to a T because I don't think that they expected doctors and, and healthcare workers to push back as much as they did. And the reason why I'm saying that is because I've worked with doctors and dentists and nurses and hygienists for 25 years. Yeah. Okay. I go to medical conventions on a regular basis. I go to a dental convention, on a regular basis. In 23 years of doing that, I've never, ever seen a doctor disparage talk badly about the CDC or the FDA or any of our public health officials.

Yeah. At almost every convention that I've been to in the last two years, they're openly mocking the CDC. I'm trying to think I was at one in, I'm trying to remember where it was, but they were like somebody made a joke about the the CDC and they they said something and they're like yeah you know if i can't make it as a doctor maybe i can go work at the cdc maybe i can take for shell willensky's job if i can't if i can't be a doctor anymore yeah she no longer has a job she stepped down though well that's probably the best thing that happened for this country it would have been a lot better if she'd never taken the job in the first place yeah but i know you're right i mean it's but you know but here's the thing like even what you're saying now i mean when have you ever

seen everything completely line up to be completely screwing the people like there's no way that's a coincidence i mean and i and i and i guess that's my point there's just no way i mean and you know people want to get off on on the rabbit hole or you know if you want to go down the rabbit hole or go down that little path. But the problem is, like, that little path that we're talking about here, that is, think about all of these things that connect and create this thing that is what we are living now. Those people that go down that little path that I'm talking about, which is what I just said, of that idea is, like, you know, you're like 2% or 3% of people that could even, you know, you're like 2% or 3% of people

that could even think that. But the reality is, I think this little path of what this thing that I just explained could be, I think is the right. I think that's the answer, although, you know, 90% of people don't understand and realize and comprehend that. And I think that's the biggest problem. I think that's the psychological operation side of how good they're doing. Yeah. No, I agree.

I mean, I can't. When you talk about going. down the little path. Yeah, to this to this idea. I mean, that right there is such a rabbit hole that I don't even know that I, that I dare go down up because, you know, I've had a lot of conversations with a lot of very intelligent people. Yeah, like you're doing right now.

And from all walks of life. And, you know, during the past three years, it's something that almost all of them, whether they're, whether, of whatever, you know, religion they're from it's one of the things that they've had in common is that they've always said what is happening

right now is an evil that is so great that it cannot just be of this world. Okay? So the people that are working in our government and the people, and this is just my own personal opinion,

but the people like Rochelle Walenski, the people like Fauci, the people like, you know, the people at the FTC. They're aliens. You know, Keith Fenton Miller and Sammy Levine and these people at the FTC. And what's the name of the head of NIH, Colin, Francis Collins. Colin Kaepernick.

Not Colin Kaepernick. No, Francis Collins, who is the head of the NIH. But you have these people in the department and working in our government that they're either incredibly stupid, which I don't believe, or they're incredibly evil because the actions that they took over the last three years are actions that caused millions of people around the world to die. Yeah, absolutely. That's even. I believe that in the long run that these people, this is my personal opinion, I believe that

these people are traitors to the American public because they bankrupted our country. Yeah. They did. Let me ask you something. We're going to go in this last little segment, but I want to ask you because we don't typically talk about this. Because I don't even know what... Now you're scaring me.

What are we talking about? No, I don't even know that we... I don't even know what we're naming this episode, but... Because we talked a little bit of everything. I think the government overreach, like I said, probably part two, because I think that makes sense. I think you should probably just call it traders amongst us in the government.

Traders Joe Traders Joe's. But isn't that funny though, that Joe Biden is a president and you know, anyways. We got Trader Joe. Exactly. But he's in that

freaking grocery store all the time. Unless you're buying some Mexican food and then it's Trader Juan. Yeah, no joke. That's true. Let me ask you. So you're a pilot, right? And,

uh, have you been following the UFO stuff? Because we've never talked about the UFO stuff. But have you followed the UFO things, right? All the sightings, the military encounters. We got this new thing that just happened over 29 poms. I don't know if you saw that. That was probably...

I did not see it, but I think I'm going to go look it up now that you say that. Yes, Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp, they released it on their podcast. I think it was last night on Weaponized, their podcast. And so they interviewed soldiers from 29 Palms. There's multiple viral videos and pictures that came out of this UFO thing that was over the base. And a lot of people saw it. So this is just another encounter. I'm going to go astro project myself over that base right now and see what's there.

Yeah, like a remote view of yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah. No, I'm kidding. I would, but I have my kids in the house. and I can't leave them alone. I know, right. What do you think about UFOs from a perspective of, well, number one, I know what your religion is.

I don't know if you want to say it or not, whatever, that's your thing. I don't care. I'm a Christian. I'm a Mormon. Yeah. So. I believe in Jesus. I believe in God.

I believe in angels. I, you know, believe that we existed before we came to Earth. I believe we will exist after this group. I think I mentioned this to you the other day. One of the biggest. ideas that I can't understand why people don't even think about is our brain. Oh, never mind. Never mind.

Don't mind. Go back to what you were saying. All right. Well, I'm going to go back to probably what you're saying too. But what do you? No. Well, then let me finish it. And then you go back to it.

Okay, go ahead. I have this conversation with people all the time. But if we, as people who believe that there's an afterlife and that we're experiencing stuff here on this life, why is it that I have never, ever heard or read a single paper where they're exploring that our brain is a multi-dimensional organism because if our brain is, if we are storing memories on another plane that we're going to have access to after we die, then our brain has to be a multi-dimensional organism. And if we don't believe that, then we should shut the hell up and stop saying that we believe

there's life after death. Yeah, true. Well, and I think science is starting to prove the dimensional stuff. Do you know what I think our brain kind of acts like is our brain's kind of like a cell phone, right? Now, your cell phone, the only way we can use our cell phone is to receive a signal through the air, right? I mean, I think a lot of our connectivity in our brain is our inner workings of the digital connections between, like, say, a motherboard on a phone. and a voice piece or a earphone piece or a processor, right? I think in large part our brain is capable of that, right?

And then there's some parts of it that receive signals outside of the actual device, which is our brain, right? So if you think about this, though, cell phones receive all this information through the air, Wi-Fi. We've figured that out. We've figured out a way to transmit that much information outside of the physical thing. Right? And our brain...

But we hate. We have still not figured out the Ansible. The what? The Ancible. What the hell is that? How do you not know what the Ancible is? The Ancival? No, I don't know what that is.

Have you not read Ender's game? No. The Ancible is a communication device that they use that communicates instantaneously from one point in space to another. Hmm. Very interesting. That was an Orson Scott Card who lives in, I believe he lives right by you. And I want to say North Carolina, not South Carolina.

So you probably don't like him anyways. No, North Carolina, that's those are my homies. But, you know, I just, I feel like our brain has, don't either have the technology necessarily to receive a lot of the outside signals, which I believe, I guess how I'm comparing this is the signals that cell phones are. receive to the device that we have figured out, those signals and those airwaves are like the dimensions that we actually live in, but our brains just can't fully comprehend or at least receive the signals. Does that make sense? I think that we may not, but I think our brains can comprehend it.

Yeah. I think that our brains are capable if what I think is right. And again, this is not a Mormon thought. This is my own personal thought. I want to clarify that. But I think that our brains are simply a way for our spirit, our spiritual body to communicate with the physical world. I don't even know if that makes sense. No, it does.

Yeah. I get to. Okay? Because if we are spiritual beings having a physical experience, well, then there has to be an order. organism that is communicating from that spiritual being to the physical being. And the only thing that that makes sense of is it would be our brain to do that. So somehow our brain is a multi-dimensional organism that is taking this, you know, if you believe in a, you know, if you're a Christian person and you believe in an earth, you know,

an afterlife or something that there's a spirit, then the brain is the organism that is communicating between the physical world that we live in and the spiritual world where our spirit exists. And if that's the case, then of course, you know, that's what we're doing is we're communicating back and forth. And I think that our bodies or, and then, I think that our brains are actually much more sensitive than we give them credit for. And there's a lot of times where people will say, oh, I just, you know, I heard a voice. I did this. I, I sense that I needed to go and do this and I think that that is where the spiritual part of our brain is feeling more or sensing more that we should be doing something.

I don't know if that makes sense. No, it does, absolutely. Mother's tuition, daddy's tuition, you know, maybe I shouldn't drive down this road at, you know, midnight, you know. Yeah, and I think to your point, too, is, you know, the intuition thing and, and, and, and, and, to figuring all that. It's kind of weird because the way that we kind of perceive life anymore is strange.

It's the interdimensional side of things. And the fact that science is almost, you know, think about this, when if you read the Bible and all of the people from the early days that saw Jesus or saw God and had these experiences, and then they believed. believed in this thing that wasn't no longer here, but it was something that they believed in. And so everybody over the years and millennials, they have, you know, they have tried to disprove God, right? Because you can't see him. You can't, it's a realm like, oh, my God, someone actually believes you're going to heaven, this wonderful place or something like that.

Hey, and so everyone thought it was crazy. I've never seen dark matter and, you know, you can't prove to me that it exists. Exactly, but what I'm saying is I think science is now helping the argument of religion, or not religion, but of belief, of God, of all those things. I think science is finally actually helping it. I don't think they're meaning to help it. I think they're just proven the existence of other dimensions and it's starting to even come up in pop culture. And I think science is kind of coming back on themselves, they've proven for so long, they've tried to prove the Big Bang theory, and that's how everything started. But what they're really proven, especially with CERN and some of these particle colliders, you know, you're kind of proven the existence of other

dimensions, which then also points to like, well, science has kind of proven that heaven and God absolutely 100% can exist. Now, almost scientifically. Isn't that kind of weird? no i mean i you know i i i think i think i've talked to you about this but i the very first trip that i took my daughter to was and she's 12 now but so 11 years ago 11 and a half years ago um i actually went to cern and i have pictures of me down inside the big circle yeah and i have pictures of me sitting in front of their control panel but you know we went over there and and it was absolutely just amazing to see that and sit and listen to these people talk about the work that they were doing and absolutely terrifying because you're sitting there going you know these guys could create a

black hole that would cause eric to collapse in on itself yeah and and and and and they're the ones telling me this and they're like yeah we're not going to do that and i'm like how do you know how do you know you're not going to do that yeah stephen hawkin i think was one of the ones that kind of talked about that a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, like messing with these particle colliders could really F us. Like, which is crazy. I mean, you don't think that we could possibly have that ability,

and hopefully we don't. Well, I'm sure we have that ability. It's a question of whether or not we have someone dumb enough to use it. And that could even bring us first full circle back to the nuclear weapons thing and full circle back to the plan-demic or pandemic thing because I'm sure that there's that our governments whether it's our government whether it's a Chinese whether it's a Russian or

whether it's some rogue government in some weird country in Africa I'm sure that one of these countries has something that they could let loose and it would wipe out the population of the earth and and you know I'm one of those people that while I don't believe in conspiracies I do acknowledge that I believe that there have been some rather advanced civilizations that have lived on this earth before us. Yeah.

And I've been to India to look at some of these things. I've been to Egypt. I'll be back in Egypt in a couple of weeks. I've been to Latin America. I've been to South America. I've been all over the world looking at these things because one of the things that fascinates me is mankind and our search for a God. whatever you want that god to be we are looking for a god

we all have this innate desire to have something bigger than us that we can look to and you know you go down and you walk into these temples in India and you walk into these structures in Egypt and you go down and you look at at Puma Punca in Bolivia and you realize that there have been some pretty complicated

pretty advanced civilizations that rival our own, they just probably looked at things differently than we do. And so we don't acknowledge that they were advanced. Yeah, that's all we're going to get your friend Robert Shock on this podcast, which we were going to do it, what was that a month ago? Yeah. He talks a lot about that as well.

When I see him, I'm actually meeting up with him in Egypt in a couple of, in what, two weeks? Yeah. But, you know, I'll get my... man, I didn't say, hey, what the heck? You got to go on there and talk about this stuff because, you know, he's pretty solidly based in science. I mean, he's a geologist. Yeah.

He doesn't go out there. I mean, you know, and this is my opinion, but archaeology is a made-up science. An archaeologist, you take a scrap of cloth or you take a structure and you make up a story. Yeah. And then you tell people that it's real. That's interesting. That's an interesting perspective. I've been to the pyramids in Egypt a dozen times or more.

Easily actually more than a dozen times. Anybody that tries to tell me that those are tombs, I'm going to look at like they're an idiot because they obviously don't know what they're talking about. No, I agree. Because they're not tunes. Every place where they found a mummy in Egypt is exactly the opposite. It's underground.

They've got writing all over the walls. There's nothing inside the pyramids. Anyways, don't get me started on that. That's a whole podcast on that alone. Yeah, it's interesting. But I mean, Robert Schott could talk about the science of how long those pyramids have been there and how long the sphinx has been there because it's not 3,500 years BC. It's 10,000 years BC. Wow.

So what is, I mean, but think about, okay, so explain BC. How long ago is that in biblical terms? Isn't the Bible, what, 3,000 years ago? Two. Well, hang on, hang on. The Bible encompasses a long time. Yeah. But Christ lived about 2,000 years ago.

And you're talking about Jesus. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Right? Okay. Okay. So you can call it CE, which is the common area. If you don't want to mention Jesus Christ.

Yeah. You can mention you can call it C.E. And B.C.E. before the common era. Okay. So what is the argument? I don't want to get too deep. But so the argument of like, okay, civilization. And the reason I'm talking about this, we were talking about, you know, ancient civilizations. There's been a big argument with like dinosaurs versus the Bible, right? So supposedly dinosaurs are there millions of years ago. And yet everything we read in the Bible and all that, that's been science as big push to, say that, well, look, there's no way that's true because dinosaurs were on the earth millions of years ago. And so the Bible, they basically try to say dinosaurs disprove the Bible. I know that's a very, very weird and deep question.

And I would disagree with that for the simple reason that in the Bible, they say that the world was created in six days. But I think that really what the word they use. and I don't know if I'm right or wrong, but whether they call it a day or whatever it is, I think that it became a, it's a time period because you can't really say a day, the first day God created the earth. Yeah.

Because you can't really say, hey, you created the earth if there's not a sun. And you can't say, I created the earth in a day if you don't have the sun and the earth isn't spinning already. Because that's how you mean. measure a day. But you know in the Bible it also says a day on earth is like a thousand years in heaven or something. Do you remember that?

Yeah, absolutely. I've read the Bible a few times. Yeah, so what if God created the heavens and the earth, or God created the earth, right, and all that. What was it, seven days, right? What if that's 7,000 years, that? That's a long time. Because it's God's time.

I think that the easiest way to acknowledge that is, that it's a period of time, and we don't know what that period of time is. And there's so many ways that, and the thing is, is that issues like that, and this is, you know, again, this is my opinion, that issues of religion and issues of things like that are, they're personal, and you can pick and choose how you're going to look at it. And I tell this to people all the time, and maybe I've mentioned it to you, but, you know, there's a billion Catholics or, you know, 800 million or however many there are. And there's, and there's, you know, 15 to 20 million Mormons and there's, you know, so many Baptists.

But really, how many Catholics of that, let's say a billion people, how many of those Catholics actually believe exactly the same thing? Yeah, that's true. None. None. So there are a billion different versions of the Catholic Church. Yeah, and some of those will prevail over the years. Well, and so what my opinion, and this is my opinion, and this is my,

again, this is my opinion, so I don't want people thinking that this is the opinion of any religious sector, Mormonism, or anything. But I think that religion, churches are put here, and they're here to guide us and help us to the best of our ability to be better people. Yeah. Because, you know, I believe that we're here on earth for a purpose and that that purpose is to become better people and to constantly improve ourselves, I guess. and to be better people. And if we're working for our... And now I'm just going to backtrack here and say, if we're working for our government and just squashing everything that helps people,

then obviously we're evil and we're going to hell. I'm kidding. Yeah, we're probably... We probably are going to hell, actually. Yeah, I mean, if, you know, to that standard. But yeah, you're right. I mean, there's a lot of... There's a lot of weird stuff.

But, you know, kind of to your point, too, it's like, okay, we want to be better people. But I feel like getting back to the dimension thing, because we were, you know, I just think the dimension thing is where we actually do go when we die. And our energy goes there, I think. And not to get too deep, but I think that's also where God exists, right? And I think this age-old story of the Bible, of God, of not just Christianity, but even Muslims and, you know, many religions around the world believe all this same type of stuff.

And so it's like it makes sense. I think it's the most logical explanation for why we're here. I don't disagree. In fact, I would tend to agree with you, but we're both talking about things that are hypothetical and that we don't know for sure. You're right. But we do know, we do understand the multidimensional nature of that. And I would agree with you.

I think, I don't know that I would go so far as to say that I believe it. But I think that that's exactly what it is. I think that we are multi-dimensional beings. I think that when we die, I think we stay here. I think we go to a different dimension, you know, and we continue to progress through different dimensions. You know, I mean, I don't know if you ever saw the movie back in the, when was it, the 80s or the 90s?

Mm-hmm. No, it was a rhubon's eye. Mm-hmm. And these journeys to the ninth dimension. I think I did see that. It's been a very long time, though, actually, now that you say that, yeah. It's been a long time, but I remember watching that and thinking, man, this is a crazy movie.

And now as I'm older and I look back and I'm like, maybe I'm so crazy after. Yeah, it makes sense. It's kind of like Interstellar. It's one of my favorite movies. That's another great movie. Amazing movie. It's kind of mind-blowing, but, you know, a lot of the astrophysicists and all of them, they said, no, it's actually very scientific. Like how they explain all of that is, you know, space and time is they did it in a

a really cool way and throws in the interdimensional stuff in that movie as well, which is which is crazy, which is what is what is so weird about everything this has been going on, even the UFO topic and all that, but I just wanted to kind of get your opinion on the UFO stuff.

So anyways, I would love to have an encounter with a UFO. I have not, but I would love to. Yeah. So you're headed, so what are you doing for Memorial Day? Are you going to a lake and just kind of hang out? going down to Lake Powell in southern Utah.

Nice, nice. And hanging out there, I'm taking my kids down. We're going to be doing some wakeboarding and some surfing behind the boat and having a good time. Yeah, that would be cool. Yeah, you show me pictures of the, what was that wake surfing, right? Is that basically what's called? Yeah. You only have a four-foot wave.

You can get a four-foot wave going behind the boat, but the wave never ends until you quit. Now, Lake Powell, isn't that? So Lake Powell, though, is surrounded by like Red Rock canyons. It's seriously, I mean, I've been all over the world, and I don't know of a more beautiful place than Lake Powell. It is just absolutely stunningly beautiful. I mean, you watch the sun come up, and, I mean, I'll wake up when I'm down there. I wake up at 5 o'clock in the morning just so I can go down and sit there and I read as the sun's coming up, and it's just absolutely the most beautiful place on Earth.

Um, is the water pretty clear there or what? What's the deal with the, the water? Wow. It's defined clear. Well, so it's not Bahamas, but, you know, I mean, like, uh, 300, 300 feet deep. Yeah. And it's on red rock, I guess, too. So.

And it's, and it's muddy coming in, but it's, it's kind of, the closer you get to the dam, because it is a, it is a reservoir, I guess. Yeah. Um, the clearer it gets. So we, we usually, you know, go to where the water's better. So Nathan, before we go, because I know you got to go to your little lake, what do you suggest to people? You're one of those people that, you know, you experience life, you live life, you love life.

That's something you like to really live life. That's one thing I know about you. Dude, I'm sitting in my backyard, and I just saw a huge shooting start, a huge one. Wow. It just went across the sky like, most. It's probably Starlink satellite burning out. After their Twitter space today. This was a UFO.

No, I'm kidding. But what would you tell people, like, if they need to be happy, especially in this crazy world, do you have any advice for those people out there that, I don't know. I mean, sometimes it's hard to escape what we talk about on this podcast, which sometimes I feel guilty for that. I was like, damn, I want to come to the podcast with good news. every once in a while. I want to be like the good news podcast, but it's kind of hard. It's not our job.

But is there anything you can tell people kind of how you live your life? How can they escape the depression and all of that stuff that's going on today and how bad things are? Let me explain that because I, even during COVID, I was never depressed.

And the only time that I've ever in my life that I can remember actually being depressed. depressed and I'm putting air quotes up here is I was depressed when I realized in the in the early parts of COVID when we actually sent studies to the CDC when we sent studies to the FDA when we asked the FDA if we could do studies on humans here in the U.S. and they said no you're not a drug you have all the studies and all these information and all these doctors saying that it would

work, but you can't do it because you're not a drug. Yeah. And when the FTC came out and sent warning letters out, that was probably the most depressed I was ever in my life. I'm over it now. But at that point, when I had to stop and I had to realize and come to terms that the bureaucrats, the faceless bureaucrats working in our government, working in the CDC, working in the FTC, okay, that the people, you know, and I named their names earlier, the Rochelle Walenskys,

the Fouchy's, the Colin Powell, not Colin Powell, not him, Francis Collins, the Sammy Levines, the Keith Fenton-Millers, that these people in our government that cause the deaths of millions of people around the world and the bankruptcy of our country that is coming, I believe it's coming. but the most depressed I was ever been in my life was when I had to acknowledge that our government that these people in our public health positions were evil and that they did not care about the people that they were supposed to be protecting and serving that actually that threw me for a loop because before that prior to the summer of 2020 when we were, we sent all that in and we started getting information back from the government saying no we don't care

no don't talk about these studies no don't do this you know i thought that the government there might be incompetent people working in the government yeah but i didn't think they were evil and i didn't think they were out to come to deliberately cause harm because the only other time that i'd ever had to run in with the government you know the fTC had got on the phone they talked they laid it on again they told us what the ground rules were and you're fine. And so, but what the advice that I would have to people is, A, don't trust the government, really don't. To teach you.

Learn how to trust yourself and what you know to be right and wrong. Yeah. I mean, I sit there and I talk with doctors and a lot of the doctors that, you know, that you know, that you know, I sit there and talk to them and I'm like, did you, you know, did you get vaccinated? I'm like, yeah, because I trusted government. And they said, did I? And I said, well, I was actually really looking forward to getting vaccinated. But as soon as the government came out and said, it's proven to be safe and effective, I knew they were lying to me.

Yeah, absolutely. And that hurt. And so what I tell people now is, you know, trust yourself. Trust your doctor that you're working with on a daily basis. And he tells you something that you call. question and he says just trust me and do it then obviously you stop trusting and we have the internet now and you can go and find pretty much every answer you want i mean doctors hate dr google yeah because people are checking up on them and you should be well and that's the thing i you know you're

kind of your message too i guess especially from your perspective but no seriously um You're either going to be a fighter or you're going to lay down and let everything roll over you, right? I have to tell you this, and you'll probably edit it out. But we had a conversation at work today about using the word douche on our web page. What, you shouldn't do that because of what? No, no, where it was is because you're talking, you know, we talk about nasal hygiene. Yeah. And you have people that use these high volume, like, you know, Neil met like netty pots and things like that.

Yeah. And they swear by them. But yet the simplicity and the logic behind it is is that if you're constantly washing out your nose like that, that's like douching. Yeah. And doctors told women to use duches for decades before they finally stopped and said, hey, this is actually causing more harm than good. Because what we're doing is we're disrupting the natural microbiome and we're completely wiping away the protective layer of mucus, which is exactly the same that we're doing when we do charnoes.

Yeah, true. So we had a long conversation about that. And I think that the P word came up a couple of times. And I said, hey, hey, hey, let's not talk about that here. We're in mixed company. Yeah, we're in mixed company here, too, a little bit. but probably 90% we'll get it

but yeah it's like I said I mean you're like I said it's you either got to in today's age you either get a fight or you're going to lay down and I think that's the reality

and I think that's kind of your message I think that's what you're doing and although yeah we do bring bad news often I do think you have to escape and experience life and do good things but also you have to realize

that like you're either going to fight meaning you know and let me make sure I make this very clear because I don't want to do the next Donald Trump's speech in January 6th. But anyways, you're either going to fight like, you know, stand up for what you believe in and all those things, or you're not. And I think, Nathan, that's what you're doing. I think that's what Dr. McCull has done. I think that's what many others have done. And, you know, people like us and people that do that are going to get censored. They're going to do all those things. But I think

it in a day, we have to understand and keep back in our minds. that the government did not give a damn about supplying nuclear shelters to their people, even when countries that they want you to believe are the worst countries on the earth, which very well could be who the hell knows. But I'm just saying there are countries that actually care about their people. And I think with Nathan, your message and Dr. McCola's message and everything that a lot of these people are doing and try to save people was kind of they didn't want that. They didn't care about that. and they wanted to punish the people that did care about the people.

I think they wanted to punish anybody that stood up and questioned their right to say what was right or wrong. Yeah. And, you know, I'm not a doctor. And so I don't want to wait into the hydroxychloroquine and the ibermectin debate, even though I will say that as soon as they started talking about it and I read about it and I call up a couple of doctors and I talked to them. And I went down to try to buy some here in the States. I couldn't find any.

I got on a plane. I flew to Mexico and I bought a ton of it. Yeah. And so I had all kinds of it in case I ever do get COVID, which now it's, you know, three years into it and I've never had it. Yeah, you probably have. You just don't realize it. Yeah, you know, but asymptomatic means I haven't had it.

Yeah, pretty much. That's like saying, you know, I'm trying to think of something. I don't have a brain. Sherry's had it four. Sherry's had it four freaking times. And I used to be sick all the time. I've said this before, but I use a nasal spray.

I used, and the first time I used Quirsten all that stuff, we talked about it before. But, yeah, I mean, Sherry had it four times. Like any other time in my life, I would have,

oh my God, I would have probably freaking died from that shit. But Jerry had it four times. Somehow avoided it. I think I said this last time, but I've probably, I went to one of the times I went to Mexico,

during COVID. I may have had it because, but I think it was one of the one of my buddies that I flew down there with. Hey guys, I did want to jump in here real quick. The podcast episode, for some reason, the interview with Nathan ended only maybe two or three minutes before it was supposed to. So I do apologize about that. But we're going to have Nathan back on in the future on this podcast.

So no worries there. And definitely want to get him and Robert Schock after their Egypt trip. they return. I want to get them on the pod to talk about ancient civilizations, talk about their experience over in Egypt over there, and then also talk about Robert's book as well. But guys, thank you for listening to this episode, and we are going to have so many more episodes coming your way. Until next time, Sherry and I both love you. Peace out. again when you sing it again be hell