Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Government Overreach Conspiracy Podcasts | Uncovering The Truth With Xlear Founder Nathan Jones

Episode Date: January 31, 2023

Join us for an in-depth interview with Xlear CEO Nathan Jones. We delve into his experiences running a successful business, and discuss his views on government regulations. During the pandemic, the importance of Xlear's products rose to the forefront, and we hear key detail about their lawsuit with the FTC. Jones shares insights on government overreach and its impact on hnot only his company, but the people of the United States We also discuss his thoughts on the government overreach conspiracy, the medical system, and more!

Hello and welcome to investigate. Because I've run no way. Be because I've run no way. If you listen to what I say, No. Hello, Anna, welcome to Investigate Earth Podcast. I'm your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Say hello, Sherry.

Hello, guys. We're so glad you're here. Welcome to the podcast. Yeah, so this episode, guys, we are so excited for this one. We recorded this about two weeks ago. We had Nathan Jones. fly across country. Well, we didn't have him. He decided he wanted to do this because it's very important to him. This, this, what we're going to talk about in this podcast,

we're talking about government overreach. But for some of you, you may remember during COVID when we talked about the nasal spray. And so many of you actually responded to us and said, hey, it actually prevented me from getting COVID. It saved my life potentially. There were so many emails and messages that you guys sent us. And this was probably two years ago. And, and so then not long after that, we started seeing news articles. come out about this company clear that was that had these studies that was showing very promising results to prevent COVID and even possibly help with the virus replication and cut down on this. Well, of course, when the government saw something was actually working, you know what they had to do.

They had to sue the company, which is what they're doing. The government sued clear. They are fighting clear, although they know they're probably not going to win. But their entire point to this was, oh, wait, we see something that's helping and it's not the vaccine? well guess what we're going to take you down as much as we can and so we had talked about this on other podcast and so since then we have connected with nathan uh nathan is the founder of clear and alongside his dad his dad was uh the basically inventor of the product and we talk a lot about that but really the reason why i really want you guys listen and by the way i want to say this this is

not a sponsor podcast we're not getting paid for this we're not trying to promote a product we literally just believe so much in the product and how it helped us, but also when the government came and sued them and then their response was, okay, bring it on because we got to fight you. What other choice do we have? And then after talking to Nathan and sitting down with him and really learn about the culture of the company himself and his viewpoints on why this is happening to him, it's an amazing interview, guys. I really want you guys to listen to every bit of it. It's an hour and 40 minutes long, but I promise this is really good. And also, because of Nathan,

and two. We actually have an interview coming up with Dr. Peter McCola. And so I got to give him all the credit for that. He connected us. And not just Dr. Peter McCola. It is also with his author of his new book. We're going to be going to, well, going somewhere this weekend to interview him. And so we'll have that out sometime next week, hopefully. But guys, it's an amazing interview. And I just want to mention real quick, guys, you're not going to hear me a lot because there was not a lot for me to say or to ask because I was in a room. with two guys that had genius minds working together and discussing topics that was like blown away by. I'm telling you, this interview will blow you away because I was just like into it. And I just wanted to listen. So forgive me for not saying much, but I was like, didn't want to be.

No, I think you did. You know. Who was the other guy that was in the room? You. Oh, no, not me. You and Nathan. I'm not a genius mind. Yeah, you guys were awesome together.

Like, that was probably one of the best podcasts we've had in a long time. It was really good. It was really good conversation. Nathan knows a ton. He's been in the industry. He's been around all of this for so long. So guys, without further ado, we're not going to take up any more your time. But what I will say is I really do think you enjoy this.

I think also because of our relationship we've built with Nathan, I think that maybe together we can bring you a lot more cool content. We're working on some things for the future. So definitely look forward to that. And Nathan, once again, thank you very much for flying across country to do this interview with us and you're a new friend and guys enjoy this interview. All right, guys. So we are here with Nathan Jones. He founded the Clear Company 23 years ago, utilizing their product that his father, Dr.

Lon Jones, developed. And so now the company is now being sued by the government for simply making science-based claims or science-backed claims. Everybody, welcome Nathan Jones. Nathan, thanks for coming. Hey, thanks for inviting me and thanks for letting me come here and talk. Yeah, for sure. Well, this is actually, we are set up in a conference room at a hotel because this is our first traveling podcast, I believe, actually. So Nathan, you flew in yesterday and we actually went out to dinner. We had a good time last night and talked a little bit about this. But for those of you guys that do not know or have not heard other podcasts where we have talked about Clear specifically, and we'll give you a little bit of our how we got here with Nathan Jones. right not long after COVID kind of came around and and everything was happening as many of you know

that have been fallen us for a while you know our podcast has strictly been on finding the truth and when we see corruption see things like that happen and we always try to investigate that so one of the things I had started researching obviously because I had always used to get sick was I started researching ways to prevent COVID or or ways that I could at least give myself a better chance And so for that, I started looking up things. I started looking up medical studies. You know, I wasn't looking up the mainstream media stuff. I wasn't looking up what the mainstream media was telling everybody to do because I kind of saw it wasn't working out for a lot of people.

There was a lot of people dying. There was a lot of people that were getting it. And so I came across this nasal spray, which was clear, which is spelled with an X, X-L-E-A-R. And so I just started reading some of the studies and started seeing some other people talking. about it and so I decided to get it now not long after this sherry got COVID multiple times and I used to be somebody that was sick all the time and so it was something I knew I had to do to try to protect myself because Sherry's around a lot of people what she does but so I did pick up the clear and every time she got sick or every time she got COVID I did not get it I was religiously using this nasal

spray and and it worked I truly felt like it worked then not long after after that, I hear that Clear, Incorporated, the company was being sued by the FTC. And so actually, their official release on this says FTC sues Utah-based company for falsely claimant its nasal sprays can prevent and treat COVID-19. So agency is seeking monetary penalties from Clear under COVID-19 authority. So that's where we're at. Nathan, tell us a little bit about Clear. tell us kind of how it was developed and just kind of the science behind it and then we can get to the

sue in part in a little bit. Well, that works. So my name is Nathan Jones. I founded Clear 23 years ago based on a nasal spray that my dad was using in his practice to treat ear infections or to prevent ear infections and babies. And the reason why he did that is because even back in the 70s when I was a child in the 80s, he understood the damage that systemic antibiotics. cause to people.

Okay? Or I should say he suspected it. Because you have a gut microbiome and if you destroy that, then you're going to have health complications throughout your life. And we know that now. That's been shown now.

But my dad understood that or he thought that was going to happen in the 70s. So in the 90s, when the internet came along and they had all of these PubMed pages put up and he had these studies, he started querying, preventing ear infections. And what kept coming up was dental studies where they were using xylitol chewing gum.

to see how it reduced tooth decay in kids. And in the footnotes of all this data, the kids that were using the xylitol chewing gum, not only were they not getting tooth decay, but they were also getting 42% fewer up or estuarine infections, just by chewing gum. Wow. And he thought that was pretty interesting.

And a couple months later, there was a paper that was published in the British Medical Journal, and this is in 1998. I can't remember the month off the top of my head, but it was in the BNJ in 1998, and it showed that xylitol was blocking the ability of strepneumo, H flu, MCAT to adhere to the tissue. It's just blocking it. Yeah.

And if it can't adhere to the tissue, you don't get sick. And that's some of the studies, I believe, that you guys have on your website, right? Correct. Okay. Correct. And we have that one. And since then, there was some studies showing it that it worked with staff and some other bacteria. There's also a bunch of research out there.

You know, we do nothing with it. But there's studies out there showing how xylitol can actually stop some kind of bacteria. of cancers. Wow. And, you know, it's, again, it's if you take away the food source of those cancers or the bacteria, you're causing, you're causing some, some change there. Yeah. Yeah. And just so people are, the people that are not aware, one of the things I actually kind of started researching and looking into when I figured out the nasal spray thing was, well, we had to know, number one, like, I wanted to know how COVID worked. And I was very, very into figuring out, you know, just based on all of the different claims from all the different doctors and scientists.

I looked at everybody. I looked at the people that social media was banning, the people that were saying, hey, this is how COVID actually works. This is how it's going to enter your body. And one of the common things that I started seeing, I actually didn't notice about most sicknesses, but COVID in particular, it gets in your nasal cavity,

and it replicates there. And once it replicates in your nasal cavity or mouth, I mean, there are some other places, but the nasal receptors, is the ACE2 receptors in your nose? Yeah, yeah. The majority of them are. Yeah. And so that's where it really gets bad.

You know, if it sits there and just gets fester and fester and fester and fester and it's allowed to kind of run, I guess, unchecked, that's when you start having real issues. And so that's kind of what I guess the nasal spray does is it tries to stop bacteria, virus and other, I guess, pollutants in your nose before it starts getting going, right? Correct. It's to facilitate washing. I mean, we talk about hygiene a lot because that's what. our company is. We're a hygiene products company.

Yeah. Toothpaste, mouthwash, chewing gum that's intended to help reduce the bacterial load of pathogenic cavity-cative-caught-cavity-causing bacteria in your mouth. And the nose, we're doing the same thing. Now, what did you guys, what were you saying about the gum? So you guys have gum, and it's called SPRI, right? It's dental defense system. And you get in a couple different cinnamon, peppermint. Do you guys have any other flavor? Yeah, we have cinnamon, peppermint, spearmint. I mean, all of your top four, five, five, six flavors. Okay. We have bubble gum. We have toothpaste. We have mouthwash. The science behind xylitol and how it works in oral health goes back for 50 years.

Yeah. I mean, the first study was published in 1969 before I was born. Yeah. And, I mean, there's tons of studies since then. In fact, you know, I think it's really a travesty that our public health officials, you know, even, I mean, I'll give you a, a, one-minute thing here. I try to remember his name. The Surgeon General in 2000 wrote this thing about how the oral care of people in the United States was just going downhill, just crashing. And part of that is because of the change in our diet. We went from eating three scores a day, you know, giving our mouth time to clean it out to grazing all day long, we're eating chips and sugar and everything else. But he wrote a paper in 2000 and saying that, you know, we needed to make some changes. We sent him

all kinds of studies on xylitol. And we know that for a very cheap price, less than $25 per kid per year, you could practically eradicate tooth decay. Yeah. And you only have to do it for three or four years. But rather than doing anything, they did nothing. Our public health officials, they knew it. And the thing is, is that, going back to what I said earlier, if they gave these kids in elementary school, these chewing gum three times a day, Not only would they prevent tooth decay, 42% of their upper restore infections.

Wow. Okay? $25 bucks a kid per year. How is public health not all over that? And this was a study that was done by the University of Michigan, dental school. And the follow-up was done by the University of Washington, dental school. And public health does nothing. And just last year, Francis Collins and Murthy Vivek, our Surgeon General, to people that I'm still,

I'm not going to call them a physician because they might have a degree, but they don't do any treating or curing or helping at all. But they wrote another paper saying exactly the same thing. Oh, it's going downhill. We've got to do something to fix it. And they were asking for billions of dollars not to solve the problem, but to spend more money on research to find other ways to solve it. They know how to solve it. They could do it for less than what they were asking to, you know, in research. But they choose not to.

They would rather get more money from our government from the taxpayers to find more drugs than they would to actually implement stuff we already know. So this is all a money type thing going on. It's a money grab. Yeah, it is. It's a vicious cycle. I mean, and like you said, studies are set up. You know, there's something that we're starting to see very heavily, especially now. And I go back to Twitter a lot, but these Twitter spaces, for those that don't know what it is, there's a bunch of doctors that are getting together now. there are some opposing opinions in these spaces and there are you know but but the reality is these spaces actually have people discussing things we're finally starting to be able to discuss things

because we are having platforms starting to open up or at least one um but to to clear's point and and i want to get to this because i think there's going to be a lot to talk about this the fact you guys are getting sued um you're not number one the only company that was getting sued during this COVID time of anyone that was trying to help or to prevent or to try to help anyone's well-being. You know, there were even things that were once, you know, considered dietary supplements like NACC, you know, in acetyl cysteine, which I believe it was the FTC and the FDA that actually led that charge.

They wanted to declassify that, I guess, as a dietary supplement. I wanted to put it in the two the, what is it, like a drug category, basically. And I don't know what to deal is with that now. I've not looked that up in a while, but I know that knack was being shown to really help, you know, inflammation in the lungs. It was, you know, it's kind of similar, I guess, in some ways to where it stopped inflammation in the lungs. But one of the things that was interesting, you know, back in the day, they didn't used to have

antibiotics. They would, the doctors would give their patients knack. This is, they would, or they would prescribe it alongside of antibiotics. Isn't it interesting to you, obviously? you're over this company. But it says agency seeks to monetary penalties from Clear. And what would be the point of seeking monetary penalties from you guys for your claims? And down here in the article, it basically says that there is no evidence or science behind, I guess, some of the claims that Clear's made.

Well, all of the claims that we have made are backed with science and the studies are on our webpage. Yeah. We actually, when we responded to that, we actually listed out all the studies. And the thing is, is that these studies, they're actually on the NIH's website. Yeah. They're on the government's website. The lawyers that are doing this, we have no idea why they're doing it. I mean, you have Sam Levine. He went to Harvard. You would think he would be able, he would be smart enough to actually go out and say, hey, we have a pandemic going on here. Here's a whole bunch of studies showing how and why this would work. maybe we should talk to him instead of just, you know, shut them down. And Sam Levine, he's the director of FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection, I guess, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And, you know, he went to Harvard, and that's probably one of the reasons I don't think I'll ever hire anybody that went to Harvard because they show they can't think critically.

Well, and it's funny, too, the Harvard thing, you know, when these Ivy League schools, though, I mean, there's a lot of people that they'll go to these schools, and they're heavily connected after they get out of school. They're going to have these high-paying, you know, oftentimes government jobs. so on and so forth. There's definitely some kind of system behind all that. There's no question. So you'll have people like this. Well, think about it this way. I mean, the corruption at Harvard goes back to, when was it?

He was the guy who was the nutritionist at Harvard who came out, took money from the sugar companies, and said sugar is completely safe. It's safer for you than fat. It's safer for you than any of this other stuff. You should drink Coke. You should do this. And he was a Harvard professor. Well, it reminds me, too, you know, all the, what was it, five, ten years ago, there was a mass push on eggs to try to get everybody to believe the eggs weren't good for you. Although there were many studies that were saying no eggs are actually one of the most nutritionally dense foods you can possibly eat.

I don't know if you actually saw this because this is kind of, and we'll get back to this in a second, but have you saw the new pyramid that has been released, the food pyramid? Well, it's not a pyramid. It's upside down something. It's where it's calling mini-weets. Yes. You know what I find... Healthier than meat. Yeah.

You know what I find disturbing about that? Is that they're actually naming brands. Yeah. Okay? They're saying almond M&Ms. Okay? They're saying frosted Kellogg's mini-weeds. You're kidding.

No. And this is recent. Yeah. And so really what that tells you. I mean, this goes back to something that I've actually said is that if we want to change health care in the United States, we have to get doctors out of it. We have to get pharmaceutical companies out of it.

Because they are there for sick care. Yeah. Okay. Once you're sick, go see a doctor. Yeah. Go start talking to the pharmaceutical companies. Okay. But if you go in there before, they're going to find a reason.

And there are a lot of good doctors. I'm making a gross generalization here. But there are a large number of doctors. I mean, most of the doctor organizations, they're looking out for the interest. of the doctors. I mean, you can go back and, I mean, through history, and there's all kinds of instances where the doctors were like, no, no, I'm trying to remember the lady's name in New York City that had typhoid, typhoid married. Yeah. But they kept trying to find out who that was,

and the doctor was like, no, no. And one doctor actually went and found out who it was that was giving all these people typhoid, but it took forever for the city to actually do something. because the doctors didn't want it to happen because they were making money off all the sick people. You could look at John Snow in London. You know, he was a doctor. He said, hey, cholera. It's coming from this pump, I think. And he couldn't get the people to the, he couldn't get the medical association to help him push the politicians to actually remove the pump handle.

But as soon as they did, cholera stopped. And he tried to get the city of London to build a sewer system. And they wouldn't do it. they want to do it after he died they did it yeah i mean and and you know it it's so much reminds me of what's going on and you know i think there was there was something and when we talked about your product by the way during covid and and you know that was when we didn't have quite as big of an audience as we do now but um i remember there were a lot of people that were reaching out to us and saying hey i my husband had covid whatever i have copd i have all these things wrong with me i'm extremely

risk if you look at what the media is saying what is high risk I am there I have all these different elements and I took clear because of what you guys suggested I think it saved my life now these these are not you know obviously one person or 20 or 50 how many ever you know wrote to us and told us hey I think this product really might have helped us there was there was often one thing that people wrote though that said that they were scared to go to the doctor during this time number one they were scared because they didn't want to get COVID but Number two, they were scared because of, you know, the doctors, and we did this too, they only have one way to do this. You know, which they didn't have a plan.

You would go to the doctor. They didn't know what to do. They didn't know what to give you. It's not like they're going to recommend vitamin D, which many studies have been shown about that in Quirston and all of this. But people were scared. They were scared to go to the hospital. And yet not one single person on the internet. And I actually remember, what is his name?

You remember, Dr. Hottaz? Is that what is it? Peter Hotez, when he went on Joe Rogan, he was talking about, you know, all the crazy stuff that he does as far as just how bad he eats. And he don't think it's that big of a deal. And then as Joe pushed him, you know, it was like he was trying to back off. He realized what he was saying. But this guy was in charge basically of our public health. I mean, not our public health. But he was the face on the media all the time about telling you what you should do and how you should do it. You know what I find really interesting about Peter Hotez. because I think he has, I mean, this is just me and this is just my personal opinion, is I think he actually, I think he has a good heart, but he doesn't have that strong of a character.

And I'm sorry, Peter, if that offended. But he actually, with his school, they went out and developed a vaccine. Yeah. Okay. It's not an MRI vaccine. And the United States government won't let them use it. They're using it, and they put it out free of job. charge. They put the, there's no patent on it. There's nothing like that. They're not making

money on it. And I think he's a, I think he really is a great guy. I just don't understand why him, of all people, would still be towing the line with what the government says, because he should understand that since the government won't let him or his school put their vaccine out there with all the studies that they've done, which is multiple studies more than what Pfizer or Moderna did, but they won't let him put his out there. So he has to understand the corruption that's in there or he's willingly looking the other way. Yeah. And I think he probably does have a choice. I mean, going back to the doctor thing, doctors are being, and we've talked about us in other podcasts, doctors are being put in positions because a lot of the smaller practices

are being bought out by these major conglomerate, you know, like for example in South Carolina, know, we had seven, eight years ago, almost every hospital was individually or privately owned. I mean, they were kind of out on their own. Now we've got in South Carolina maybe three hospital systems. So all of the upstate has been bought by one almost, the Midlands and then, you know, the coastal region. But they're monopolizing medicine, you know, they're monopolizing medicine. They're monopolizing all of that. And so one of the things that we were kind of, I guess, referring to is you have to figure out ways

to get the picture, you know, of what can we do to help ourselves? And I think, like I said, products like yours, people have to be aware of that. And you were going back to when you go to the doctor, you're sick, right? But how do you stop from being or from having to go to the doctor? And it's, you know, nutrition. Nutrition is huge. And I think you made a good point there as far as we have to bring people that know nutrition, people that know dietary and all of that.

And we're not doing it. They never did it during COVID. They didn't even consider that as an option. Not only nutrition, but exercise. Yeah. Instead of telling people to eat better. And this is something that, you know, I think is absolutely criminal. Yeah.

Because this is complete neglect of their job, but the director of the CDC and our surgeon general, they completely missed the best opportunity in the history of our country, probably the planet, to encourage people to actually change bad habits. and live healthier lives. Because if they, instead of saying, stay home, eat pizza and binge watch Netflix. Yeah. Okay?

They could have said, hey, stay home, try to eat better, because we understand that diet has something to do with it. I mean, diet really has something to do with practically every illness. So they should have just made that assumption. Eat better. Be sure to go out and take a walk every day. Do this.

Stop eating as many processed foods. Eat more vegetables. This is a big thing. This is your best choice. chance to solve it. And the other thing they should have done is practice better hygiene. Okay. They knew early on, these were papers that came out of Israel. They knew early on that people that had periodontal disease were nine times more likely to die from COVID. Wow. Okay. But did you ever once hear anybody say, hey, make sure you're brushing your teeth and using a mouthwash? You

never heard it once. No, never. No, but the people that were saying that were getting banned, actually. Yes. Yeah. I remember people saying that specifically. I remember there was a doctor. on YouTube. There were quite a few of them. Very, very experienced doctors. A bunch of those doctors from California, remember? Yeah. Those were the first ones that came out and they were banned. Yeah, the doctors in California, we had guys on YouTube that were, you know, I mean,

virologists, these people were all of these things. And they were even recommended mouthwash because of the replication of virus in your mouth. They were also recommending nasal spray. And I actually believe one of those doctors is partly the way I kind of heard about clear to begin with. They had mentioned it on some big YouTube thing. I cannot remember this guy's name, but he used to go live during COVID, and he would go through study after study.

This guy broke everything down. And then he would do all of these things that he was telling everybody else that they should do to prevent COVID or to make sure that they don't get COVID and die. He would do the same things, and he would actually do them on camera. And I think one of those things was clear. I think another one, I think he also kind of developed or not developed. He implemented ivermectin and kind of his, you know, preventative. Let me ask you, where, where's the lawsuit with you guys right now and kind of what are you, what is y'all's plans? How are you fighting it? Is it? Right now it's in discovery. I mean,

and that will go on for a while. I mean, I don't really think this is going to see a courtroom. Yeah. Before probably late 2024, 2025. Wow. You know, we were supposed to have some hearings and the government pushed them back, or not hearings, depositions and the government pushed them back. And, you know, the courts are full because two years shut down. Yeah. But, but, you know, the government is actually kind of heavily implied that they don't care whether they win or lose. They're just going to bleed us to where we can't pay for it. Yeah. Why are they doing that? That's, I, my honest opinion is when they originally filed a complaint against us, they asked us to give them all kinds of financial information on the company.

And I'm like, you haven't shown that we've done anything wrong. Okay? You haven't shown. What are you saying we have done wrong? And they're saying, well, you're saying that your product stops COVID. And I said, no, what we have said is that xylitol, a sugar, blocks adhesion of coate. That is what the studies show. Okay?

And the reason why we say that is because going back to 2000, when we started the company, we were putting out, you know, at that point, I didn't know anything. I went from being an underwater welder working on oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico to running this company. We actually were putting advertising out and saying, hey, here's a nasal spray that helps prevent ear infections and babies. Well, the FTC called and said, or they sent us a letter, and I got on the phone with them. And this tells you the difference between 20 years ago and today, or 23 years ago and today. But they got on the phone. And after about an hour, they explained what it was. And I said, okay, we won't do that.

We'll take care of this. It won't be a problem. I understood the ground rules. We couldn't say that washing your nose prevents any illness because that's a pharmaceutical claim. Yeah. Okay? And the study, the only study that we had was that was one that my dad did in his practice. So it wasn't a peer-reviewed published thing.

And, you know, and then going further down the road. But anyways, I understood what the ground rules were. And so we never had another run in with the FTC or the FDA until COVID. And what happened is we actually had the studies. done showing how xylitol blocks the adhesion of SARS COVID-2. They were done at the University of Tennessee. Then we had them done at Utah State University, and it showed the same thing. And the FTC came back and said, no, that's not good enough.

Even though everybody else is doing it on varro monkey kidney tissue, all of their studies are done because that's the industry standard. They came back and said, no, that doesn't work for you. You have to do it on human tissue. And so we actually went back, and this is a much more expensive study. We went back and did it on human tissue. We looked at RSV. We looked at H1N1.

We looked at rhinoviruses. We looked at adenoviruses and a couple others. And the only three that xylitol blocked was SARS-COVID-2, H1N1, and RSV. It did nothing for the rhinovirus. It did nothing for adenovirus. Hmm. And what is the rhinovirus? The rhinovirus is the one that causes most of the colds.

Okay. A number of colds are actually, a high percentage, are actually caused by coronaviruses. That's interesting. And this is another thing that goes back to the stupidity of this lawsuit is, On the CDC's webpage, the CDC says the best way to treat a respiratory coronavirus infection is washing your nose out. Yeah. But yet the government is suing us for saying the same thing. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, and that's, you know, so rhinovirus is not a coronavirus. No. But a typical cold that you hear about is coronavirus, correct? No, it's so about 30 percent. I mean, it's between 25 and 45. percent of colds are caused by coronavirus and then the rhinovirus causes some and you know there's it's the common cold is actually a what do you call it a lump of a bunch of viral infections that are lump together yeah this whole you know part of the problem is it's like you know i don't think

just like you said they're the fTC doesn't need money from you guys right i mean they're they're not they're not suing you because they need money um they're not also probably suing you in my opinion anyway. I don't think they're suing you because they think that this is going to harm people because they're supposed to have already shown who the people were that were harmed

and they still haven't shown that. In fact, what they came back to us with was they had two letters from people who said that it might be harmful. And it turns out that those were both letters, the only complaints that the FTC had were from

competitors of ours. One, was an ex-employee who left and started his own company and the other one was his business partner. Wow. Yeah, I mean, and look, COVID is, it's not, I don't, I think we're going to live with COVID forever. I don't think we're ever going to get rid of any of it, but we've, we've lived with influenza for forever. And if people practice hygiene and they eat well, yeah, it doesn't affect them as much, as much, I should say. Yeah, what is your diet like? I mean, what, what are you kind of focus on in your everyday life as far as... You know, I actually, I'll tell you, because I'm not a trained nutrition.

I'm not a doctor. You know, I'm not going to talk about pharmaceuticals and drugs because that's way outside of what I do. But what I have found that works for me is there was a time where I actually read a book called The China Study. Have you ever heard of that? No. It's an actually interesting book, but it makes an argument for being a vegetarian.

Yeah. And so for probably a year and a half, I tried being a vegetarian, and I got so fat. We've done that, too. Yeah, we've done that too. I just went up, I was over 320 pounds. Oh my God. Wow. And I just was like, this doesn't work. And so, you know, I went on a low-carb diet, and I started eating meat, and I lost weight. And so I stick to a low-carb diet. I'm not going to say I'm keto. Yeah. But I eat real food. I do. try not to eat sugar a lot and I try not to eat processed foods. I mean, I still eat potato chips and, you know, corn chips and, you know, nachos. I mean, who doesn't like nachos? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And back to your point, I think sugar is one of the biggest disease causing

things in our society based on a lot of studies. You don't have to think. I think that's pretty, you know, I think it's crazy. I think it actually causes more issues than tobacco use. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I mean, for example, there's, I read a lot of studies. My mom had cancer, and thank God, she's, I think, in her mission. But, you know, I started researching then. I was just finding all of the sugar-driven cancers out there that all these studies are showing that. I mean, it fuels it.

It's like putting gasoline on a fire for cancer. Right. Similarly, one of the reasons my mom had, because she got on estrogen. You know, she was basically replacing her estrogen since she was 40 years old or something. And so one of her cancers was an estrogen-driven cancer. So what she was taking to replace her estrogen was actually feeding the cancer as well. Well, you should have me back in a year. Yeah.

Because we're actually funding some research looking at cancer right now. Wow. And it's really, I mean, it's phenomenally interesting. Well, you better be careful with that because we might not be able to have you back in a year. They might kill you. They don't want you to do that. Have you a problem? They don't.

It's actually really interesting. I mean, you mentioned the humanizing. mice. We are using that and the humanized mice and they're actually giving them tumors and then utilizing xylitol and stopping the tumor growth and reversing it. Wow. And it's it's pretty interesting. Did you hear about the doctor? A lot of our listeners sent us and I'm sorry I cannot remember the name offhand, but he was a doctor, I believe in Africa or somewhere, but he said that he had a cure for cancer and it wasn't long after all this that he died somehow. Probably from cancer. I don't know. Hopefully. Hopefully not, but...

You hear all kinds of things like that, like the car that'll run for five hours on a gallon of gas or, you know, there's a lot of things like that. But when it comes to health care, and this goes back to it, I think that we all are individuals. And I think that part of what we need to do as individuals is we need to take ownership of our own health care. Yeah. We need to understand that what works for me doesn't work for you, may not, may not work for you. may not work for you. I have a friend who's a vegetarian. He's been a vegetarian for 20 years. Yeah. And he's healthy as can be. I can't do it. Yeah, we've tried. We can't either. So, but the thing is, is that you have to find what works for you. Yeah. You know, and I get on a

treadmill and I watch the news. I watch podcasts. I watch things like that for an hour and a half every morning. Yeah. Not every morning. Most of the mornings. If I'm home, it's practically every morning and I have a gym and I lift weights and everything. And as you can tell, I'm still, don't look like, you know, Rocky. No, you're good. No, you're good. You know, one of the things I think in talking to you just, you know, last night and today, and one thing I will say is just knowing the story, knowing that you guys are being sued and all that stuff. Number one, I got a couple of things. But I want to ask kind of what your opinion is on the government. I want to know what your opinion is on what's going on with the whole situation, both prior.

to your lawsuit and then after see if it changed your mind at all. But one of the things I did notice, especially some of the things you've said that you've been trying to do, I think you actually care. I think you and your company care, especially the way I kind of took it was you guys saw something, and especially, I think, after the lawsuit, but you really saw something that you needed to get involved and really try to help just not only the topic, but people. And it wasn't just about clear, right? I mean, it was, there's so many things that we've talked about.

I think that you guys, and especially you, you're on this kind of mission right now to make health care better. I mean, you want health care to be better. You want the people in charge to do better. So I guess answer to the first question, what is your opinion on the government and what's going on? Was that ever any of your thought before you took over clear? And what is kind of your thought on it now? Well, before I took over clear, I didn't really have an opinion. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, and for the first 20 years, I want to say, it never really crossed our radar to do anything. And, you know, I told you about the first time we ran in with the FTC. Yeah. That was fine. We understood the ground rules. We walked away from it. And, you know, and what they said is you can say xylitol blocks bacterial adhesion because you have studies showing it.

They're published in the medical literature. Okay. And so going forward from that, I never had another opinion. When COVID started, and we started having doctors calling us and saying, hey, we need to do some research because we're using this product on our patients and it's helping them a lot. Yeah. So we had some pilot studies done. We actually did what you're supposed to do. We went to the FDA.

We said, hey, we have this right here. Well, we actually did the in vitro studies showing that our nasal spray, you know, ingredients components in it. You know, and these are published in the medical literature. they were at that time, that it destroys this virus, it annihilates it. And we sent that into the FDA, and we applied for an EUA, and we started working forward through that. And the FDA was actually seemed fairly cooperative. And then all of a sudden, it was like the door shut. It was like, it got to the wrong person as what happened.

Well, what we found in our discovery is that the people at the FTC actually called the FDA and talked to them. and we don't understand what went on because it was a phone call. So wait, you originally went through the FDA? Yeah. Okay. Because we were trying. We actually went in and said, hey, we would like to do an EUA, and we would like to do human studies, and they kept turning us down.

No, you can't. And, you know, they're like, yeah, you have to do this study. And one of the things that was ridiculous is this is a product that's been on the year, on the market for 20 years, never had a safety incident, never had a, you know, a problem. and the FDA came back. One of the things that they came back is standard operating procedure is they came back and said, well, you have to do human safety. You have to do a human safety test.

And we're like, you have a pandemic going on right now, and you want us to sit here and spend a bunch of money and take a couple of months to make sure that it's safe when it's been used on the market for 20 years, two decades without a single safety instance. Yeah. And so that was kind of, but that was them following their standard operating procedure. Okay. And at some point in that is when they got the phone call from the FTC,

and, you know, it's these, which is really absurd because you have these lawyers at the FTC. Yeah. You know, you have, you have Samuel Levine and you have, who's a fantasy writer, he writes fantasy books for his day job, and at night he writes lawsuits that are probably as fantastical as his books, Keith Fenton Miller. Yeah. But they're the ones that are out there doing this. And so he drafts this lawsuit, and he's calling over to the FTC, and they're talking to him. But the FTC is lawyers that have no background in science or health care, and they're going over to the FDA and saying, hey, what's going on?

And all of a sudden the FDA goes, okay, what time a day were the grapefruit's harvested? What field were they harvested from? Which, who cares? How does that have any bearing? Right. But they're asking questions. They went from being helpful to all of a sudden, after this phone call, not being helpful at all. And when they start asking questions like, you know, the preservative you use, what time of day were the grapefruit's harvested?

Oh, my God. And that was the questions they were asking. What species of grapefruit is it? Wow. And since you're buying it from an industrial supply warehouse, you don't know what field it was harvested from. You don't know what time of day it was harvested. That's nuts.

Three o'clock in the morning. How does it have any relevance? Right. But those are the questions they started asking. And as soon as they started asking those questions, we realized that something was wrong, that the government didn't want a solution. Yeah.

Okay? That's the thing is we realized, And this was probably, I want to say June, July of 2020, we realized that they didn't want a solution. Because you have articles, and they're all on our webpage. I mean, you can go read through them, clear.com forest slash science. But they had articles in the Journal of the American Medical Association pointing out that just using saline, just wincing your nose, physically washing your nose out. It may not stop the spread completely, but what it would do. and they know this from centuries of people washing their nose,

is that it's going to reduce the severity of the illness and it's going to stop the spread. Or slow the spread, not stop, slow the spread. Because if you have a billion viruses up your nose and you're breathing out, you're going to be breathing out a lot more viruses than if you have 100. And so if you're physically washing all that stuff out of your nose

down the drain, you're not going to have a problem. And one of the doctors in public health, I'm trying to remember who it was. It wasn't our great and glorious state epidemiologist in Utah. Crazy. But we had one who said, well, how do you know it's not pushing it further into the lungs? I'm like, people have been washing their nose for centuries. It's never, ever pushed it further into the lungs because your body has mechanisms to stop it from happening.

Exactly. And they refused to talk to us because they said, no, you need to show that it's not going to push it further into the lungs. lungs. And we all, sorry, we all know, too, to this, to this degree that there was a huge thing where, you know, during this, all these studies that, you know, were coming out and saying viral load meant everything in COVID was what they believe. They believe the reason why some people were way worse off is because they had a higher viral load. And so obviously, if you look at where that viral load was replicating as the nose, which is truly why I still think that the clear has helped me so much to prevent that. but so you're so basically you guys are you guys get sued and is is there any time that you were kind of thinking you know it did it kind of open your eyes to just the bigger picture here I mean even as the bigger picture of how corrupt our government yeah yeah oh absolutely because you know when they come back and they start asking about the grapefruit which is ridiculous obviously that's just them trying to you know disrupt yeah disrupt the entire plan I guess you can say um You know, something we've talked about is, you know, one of the biggest wealth transfers in history occurred during COVID, you know. And a lot of this was there were more new billionaires created during COVID than ever in history. And so if you look at a lot of those connections of who the billionaires became, they were all tied in some way, shape, or form to the pharmaceutical industry. But not only that, I mean, we had a ton of politicians also get a ton of wealth during that time.

And I think that's probably all probably connected as well. pharmaceutical congressman senators whoever prime ministers yeah everybody but the the scariest thing about it is is that what is it what does our medical system look like going forward i mean i think that we have more distrust in the medical system now than ever before i 100% agree how are we number one is there a way do you think that we can that we can reverse that like or is this going to get worse because that's that's the big i think i think it's actually going to get worse I think it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Yeah.

You know, I mean, I've been to Washington, D.C. a number of times during COVID. Yeah. To try to get Congress people, to try to get people to stand up and ask questions. And, you know, you guys live here in South Carolina. And so I want to make a shout out to your Congresswoman. Yeah. Because she was actually the only one that stood up and asked Secretary but Kara. I don't know how you say is now.

Yeah, yeah. But she actually wrote a letter to him and said, hey, why are you not talking about nasal hygiene as part of the solution? It's not the solution. It's part of the solution. Just like the vaccines are not the solution. Yeah. Because you have half the population that isn't going to. I mean, I'll tell you this. When in 2020, when they were talking about the vaccines, I was planning on getting a vaccine. I was. And as soon as they came out and said they've proven to be safe and effective, they lost me. I was gone. Not doing it. My kids not doing it. And my kids were vaccinated, had all their vaccines. But because of what I've learned, if I had to do it over again, I wouldn't vaccinate my kids the way that CDC ski schedule is.

Absolutely not. And there's a huge difference. I mean, 20 years ago, 30 years, well, 30 years ago, I think there was nine vaccines required between the ages of birth and I don't know what it. Yeah. 16. I think now, if, and don't quote me on this, but I think it's somewhere in the, if you got everything. 70. Yeah. It's like 60 or 70.

Yeah. Now, you know, before COVID and all that, everybody was like, oh, they're anti-vaxxers, right? They wanted to make everybody, and there were a lot of parents that didn't want to get their kids vaccinating all this stuff. Which we don't know what vaccines, and even the ones that we've had for 20 years. I mean, we do know there have been medical things that have popped up that we don't know of why these things happen. Are they connected to the vaccines that we have? We don't know. we've got more

what is it the thing that kids have nowadays I cannot think of autism yeah autism we have more autism now than ever it popped up out of nowhere that's a whole other podcast and I could have a couple of doctors come down and discuss that because that's

and I don't want to you know to take time to discuss that but that is a wide problem it is yeah but going back to Peter Hotez he's actually never mind, I don't want, I don't want to go there. Yeah.

Well, and I guess, I guess the point is, is that even with those vaccines that, you know, that people did trust, the, the mass majority of people trusted, even now they're not trusting those. Just based on what has happened with the COVID and the things we're starting to find out about. And what you were saying was, as soon as they said it was safe and effective, proven safe and effective, although we had no idea. I mean, you know, most vaccines take 10, 20 years. Right. And this is like three months. Yeah. three months and it was it was shot out um and it's something that i'll also say it was not to get too political but you know uh trump for example you know trump was the one he was in office when

the vaccine came out operation warp speed and no hang on hand operation warp spend yeah operation yeah exactly that that's probably a better name for it but i think that's i think the fact that he was actually just asked about the vaccine recently and he is still behind it uh he's he's still saying is safe and effective. And I think it's going to kill his chances in 2024, number one. I think that one issue, if anything. You can hate what he says. You can hate all that stuff.

But his party is very split on that. What do you see, though, as far as, you know, the gang of function thing, right? And Falchie and all this. So the gain of function thing is, to me, is, is, I'm just. trying to think of how to say it. There's a big problem there, because even though it's outlawed, and I think they were doing it, and I think that it's wrong, and they were taking our tax dollars, and they were going around Congresses back and spending our tax dollars in China. I completely believe that. I don't think anybody disagrees with that anymore, except for Fauci, I am the science.

But the problem with that is, is I don't know that I would get on a stand and say, no, we shouldn't do that. Yeah. Because we, the United States, may not do it. But if we don't do it, China probably is going to do it. You're going to have some mad scientists over in Russia or Ukraine or Cambodia or I don't know. I'm just making it. Yeah, yeah. But you're going to have people, well, actually, you're going to have mad scientists like Fauci.

Okay, that are going to go and fund it. Yeah. And so somebody has to be paying attention to that because there are going to be crazy mad scientist, Dr. Moreau type of scientists, Mangalai type of scientists, that are going to be out there doing this kind of research anyways. Yeah.

And so somebody should be paying attention to that. And a lot of this research is for bioweapons, especially China and all that stuff. So you have to have some kind of counteraction to that. And you can sign treaties, but as we know, no one abides by the treaties, even if they sign them. Yeah.

We don't, they don't. Now, there was a big speculation about when the Omicron variant came up. There was a couple of doctors in Africa that there was some rumors that some of the doctors that were banned and all this were saying that there were two doctors that released this Omicron from a lab. They had basically got the Delta variant of COVID and they somehow made it more contagious but made it less deadly because then it's the rumor but you know there was a lot of

people that are behind it. Even South Africa, I believe, their news stations was reporting this. But according to the rumors is that they actually did this to try to stop COVID because they knew it wouldn't, this version would not kill people, but it could get the immunity that everybody needed. But I don't know if that's true. Yeah. But if it does, but if it, but if it is, that actually supports what I just said, that you're going to have these mad scientists in these labs around the world that are going to be doing this kind of stuff anyways. Yeah. Yeah, it's something that's going to be very interesting to see what happens in the future, for sure. Do you have any opinion, I guess, on where's clear wanting to go in the future with the company?

I mean, you guys have a lot of products for sure, but are you guys going to develop anything else? Are you looking at anything else to do as far as – I think there were a couple things you were. We are working on some things. I don't know how much of them I want to talk on this one. because, you know, other people might try to be it. Yeah, yeah, makes sense. But we're actually funding a lot of research now in oral care. Yeah.

Because, you know, going back to the whole oral care thing, you know, if we just sit there and brush and floss and use fluoride for the rest of our lives, we're going to have the same results that we've had for the last 50 years, which is horrible. And I have to go out and I talk to doctors or to dentists. You know, doctors or dentists or doctors also. Yeah. I usually refer to them as dentists and physicians. But I go out and talk to a lot of dentists and physicians,

but when I'm talking to the dentist, they're like, well, we have fluoride. What do you need xylitol for? And when you explain it to them, it's like they quickly pick it up. And I use an analogy, and I say, think of your tooth, your teeth is a castle, you know, sitting on top of a hill in 1,400 or no, they had guns, in 1,200 France or something. And you have this invading army, all this bacteria coming in,

and they're creating this acid, and they're using their catapoles and their trebushes, and they're shooting up against your castle. Okay, what's the most effective way to save your castle? Yeah. Is it to send somebody out, a mason out, and have them keep making that castle wall stronger, which is what fluoride does? Or is it to actually get rid of the invading army, get rid of the bacteria that are creating acid? And the best way to do that is actually by utilizing non-hexos, non-6-carbon sugars.

I mean, and the ridiculous part of that is they know that the strep mutants bacteria, they eat sorbitol, okay, which is a six-carbon sugar alcohol. They eat maltitol, they eat manatol, they eat sucral, they eat sucral, glucose, fructose, all of this, okay? But you go look at your toothpaste. Most of them that you're finding in the pharmacy in the grocery store have sorbitol. Look at the sugar-free gum that we're all chewing.

They all have sorbitol. When we chew that, we have in the back of our head the idea that we're fighting tooth decay, but we're not. We're actually feeding the bacteria that caused tooth decay. Wow. And by the way, so your gum, the spry, that has xylitol, right?

That is what it is sweet. Yes, there are zero, six carbon sugars in that gum. The only sweetener in there is xylitol, which actually helps get rid of that acid-creating bacteria. Huh. Yeah, and going back to this, we know that mouth health is huge. There's actually a link to heart attacks with mouth health, you know, because it gets in your bloodstream and certain bacteria is getting your bloodstream, which causes certain heart attacks.

And then also you've got to look at the, you know, your microbiome in your stomach, which I've had issues in my stomach before, but until I started eating sourcrap 24-7. The other thing you should do, and people are focused. They're learning now that they do need to pay attention to the microbiome in their gut. Yeah.

But the other thing that they need to do is they actually need to talk about the microbiome in their mouth and in their nose. Yeah. And, you know, there's a lot of diseases that start because people use mouthwash too much. Yeah. Okay, when you use...

Because it kills everything. It kills everything. And you have the bacteria that help us and assist us in digesting milk, lactose, and gluten, and a couple of these other things that we eat, those are bacteria that live in our mouth. Yeah. And so if you're using something that advertises itself

as we kill 99.9% of the bacteria, well, then what do you expect is going to happen over time? Yeah. You're going to have lactose intolerance. You're going to have gluten intolerance. You're going to have all of these intolerances. That makes sense. What did you know about fluoride?

Now, obviously, there's been a, you know how to, as we're talking about the mouth thing. What, I mean, what have you heard about fluoride is, because trust me, we've had so many people write us about the fluoride thing. We've never really talked or touched on it too much, but just some of the basic research I've done on fluoride is that it could potentially have some weight to some of the claims that have been made against fluoride. I don't think it's a potential.

I think it does. Really? Yeah. In our dental industry, they, they herald. I guess, or they champion fluoride in our water systems. Yeah. And they say that it's the best public health thing they've done. Well, and they actually use the example of the reduced reduction of tooth decay in their argument.

Well, the fallacy with there and the misnomer is, is that if you go back to Europe, where they don't have that miniature fluoride in their water, they had the same reduction in tooth decay. Yeah. Okay? So you can't sit there and say, and what happened, or you can't go back and say this is fluoride doing it because Europe did it and they had the same kind of reduction. And it was, you know, they didn't use fluoride. But what was a common thing in there is that after World War II, people started brushing their teeth more. Yeah.

Okay. They started hygiene. They started brushing their teeth, breaking up that plaque and washing it away. That makes sense. Okay. And that is actually more valid. I mean, I could go on, but that's a whole podcast in and of it. about the issues with fluoride.

But fluoride, like xylitol, works right here in your mouth, toppling. Okay, you brush your teeth for two minutes because that's how long it takes for the fluoride does start acting on your enamel. But what it does is it rebuilds the enamel. If you're using it in a toothpaste, I don't think you're going to get enough in your body to cause any harm. But if you go back, and I can't remember when this was, I'm going to say it was mid-2000, mid-two-auts.

I don't know how they say this. There was a paper that was put out by the EPA of all groups pointing out that about 40% of Americans had fluorosis, which is too much fluoride. Yeah. Okay, and it causes brittle bones. It causes modeling of the teeth. And no one ever said anything. Wow.

But at the EPA, if the government's coming out and saying, hey, you know, 40% of Americans have fluorosis. Yeah. And the thing is, is that my beef with putting fluoride in the water is you're treating to the lowest common denominator. And so if you go to the dentist and you actually do what they ask, you brush your teeth, use fluoride toothpaste, you do this, you do that, you take care of your teeth, you are the one that's going to get harmed from the fluoride in the water. Yeah. It's the people that aren't brushing their teeth that are now getting the right amount of fluoride. Yeah, Paul,

and the reason I ask, this was one of the things, but Paul goes for he was a dentist and he had actually did some research and some studies that he put together. And he said, and this was just one of the claims, and it could potentially lose six IQ points in children with fluoride because of whatever the brain blood barrier and somehow fluoride interacts with that. Now, we also know we were talking about this the other day that, you know, I was in EMT for a while. And obviously there are certain drugs you can give people under the tongue,

especially if they're having a heart attack. But there are a lot of ways that your mouth absorbs things pretty fast. even CBD and stuff like that. That's, you know, tinctures and whatever. So, you know, what we're putting in our mouth, especially fluoride-wise, obviously is going to absorb and do all that. Now, does xylitol work like that at all, or is it primarily just the, you know, it kind of stays in the area?

But fluoride is different. I mean, it's not a natural thing. Is it fluoride? It is, okay. Interesting. I mean, you have fluoride that natural. I mean, it's one of the elements on the periodic. table. Yeah. But there is a lot of manufactured fluoride, which is where that comes from.

I got to. But like I said, I mean, that's a whole, I could get a whole hour of discussing fluoride because I think, I think there is a benefit to it. I do not believe there's a benefit to it in the water. I think it causes way more harm. It's kind of like a vaccine or a gene therapy. There might be a benefit to it, but you got a lot of harm coming with it. Yeah. Okay. And gosh, I was going to say something. What was I going to say? say. I forgot what I was going to say. Well, let me ask you, is your dad still alive? Oh, yeah. Okay. So he created the product, right? And not fluoride, but clear. Yeah, not fluoride, but clear. Yeah. How did, why did he create it, I guess? Like, where did this even come from? It came because he wanted to make

sure that kids, that he wasn't giving kids too many antibiotics. Yeah. And something that you actually mentioned earlier, and I should have brought this up, you mentioned that you used to get sick a lot, constantly. There are published papers in the medical literature that people who have chronic infections more than likely. And, you know, this paper said 99%. I don't know if I would agree that it's that high. Again, I'm not a doctor. You know, I don't understand the drugs and the systemic stuff. What I understand is I would probably argue that I'm probably one of the world experts on nasal hygiene. Yeah. And the way the nose works. I mean, I've spent millions of dollars of my own money researching it. I've spent 23 years of my life.

talking about it. Yeah. And I don't think there's anybody else that has that has that same criteria. Yeah. Just because I don't have a, you know, one class in medical school with the regards to it doesn't mean I'm not an expert. But he wanted to, to, but going back to that, it's a biofilm. If you have chronic ear infections in kids, if you have any of these chronic respiratory

issues, it's probably because you have a biofilm build up in your, in your airway. Yeah. And xylitol, there was a study out of Montana State University. They have a biofilm center. And they actually showed. It was a paper that was done by the author, the scientist, her name was Mary Cloud Ammons, that xylitol helps break down those biophiles very effectively. And what is a biofilm?

The way that I describe it, it's actually plaque on your teeth is a biofilm. It's actually a matrix that bacteria and other organisms will build in order to protect themselves. That makes sense. So, you know, I actually kind of say it's kind of like a city. We as humans, we build cities to protect ourselves and to do stuff. And so as long as these organisms are in the bile film, you're not getting sick. Yeah. But every now and then some of them will sluff off, they'll fall off.

And once they're, that's called planktonic, once they're planktonic and going through your body, you're going to get sick again. Yeah. Okay. And they can give them antibiotics. So if you give a kid that has an ear infection, antibiotics, you're killing the bacteria that sloughed off. but the antibiotics don't actually penetrate into the biofilm. Wow. And so you have to put something,

you have to put something in there that the bacteria perceive as a food source. The bacteria will pull that into the biofilm because they think it's food. And after they eat some of that, the bacteria start dying off, and that's how xylitol works. And by the way, why do you think rhinoviruses are not affected?

I have no clue. I just don't know. I have no clue, but we will figure that out. Yeah. And two, so your dad, where did he just, the xylitol thing? Like, where did he get that idea from the very beginning? Well, I mentioned that a little bit early on, but it was, he was just looking on PubMed. Okay. And he was just searching PubMed, and that's where it started coming up.

Okay. And then as a doctor. And he actually went down to the store, to a health food store, and bought a bag of xylitol, and was opening up bottles of saline and pouring it in there. I mean, not, you know. And using it, yeah, to try it. You know, you figured there's no harm. So in your snot, your mucus, you know, this goes back to the whole anatomy in the way that your airway works.

The inside the mucus, you have these, what are they called, glycans, which are sugar molecules that actually bind up on bacteria and viruses to stop them from adhering. And that's really what xylitol is doing. It's doing the same thing that that's doing. I mean, glycan, it's a sugar molecule, it's sugar complexes. And, but the other thing that xylitol does is it helps reduce inflammation in the airway. The studies published in the medical literature about that. But it also keeps your mucus thinned out, so it cleans it away. So you have the cilia with this, you know, mucus on top of it.

And so it keeps it moving, and so it cleans out your nose a lot faster. And that's how it works for people that, you know, have sensitivity to pollen, dander, any of those things. And where's the grapefruit seed come in? that comes in because we harvested it at three o'clock in the evening yeah right no that actually came about because going back 22 years when we first started selling this we were using benzoconium chloride as a preservative

yeah and you know we were selling it in some of the natural retailers but there was a retailer in Colorado called oak wild oak maybe oak it was bought up by Whole Foods a number of years later but it was called wild oak tree I can't remember but wild oats no I don't I can't remember

but they said no we we don't want to put products in our store that have benzoconium chloride and so we actually went out and tried to find it and what it is is it's a preservative it's just a natural preservative they use in a lot of cosmetics so xylitol is the big winner though

that's what is doing everything basically? No. Yes and no. Yeah. I mean, what we found, so when we first started getting these phone calls from the doctors telling us, hey, you know, something's, you got to look into this. We actually sent a bottle of our product up to the lab and had them test it to see what

it did for COVID. And what we found in the very first study we did was that the nasal spray was just obliterating the virus. Like it was killing it off in minutes. Yeah. And so we thought that that was a xylitol. We're like, oh, this is great. Oh, this is great.

You know? And so the next thing we did is we're like, well, which component of the nasal spray is doing it? Mm-hmm. And so we broke it down and we sent them some individuals, you know, it was just xylitol. We sent them, you know, the saline, and we sent them the grapefruit seed extract. And it turns out that what was actually annihilating this virus, it was actually the grapefruit seed extract, which we use as a preserve. Yeah. And, you know, we've been using it for 21 years as a preservative. But it was killing off the virus as fast as a 68% solution of alcohol.

Wow. Yeah, I mean, and that's what that's what blows my mind nowadays. We're in 2023 and they're, you know, going back to the Indian times, right? I mean, that's all they had was natural things that occurred in nature to either hill them or not. And, you know, what blows my mind is that with our technology and everything that we're, you know, the amount of money that is being funded and all this stuff. We do not, I think,

we're spending all of our money in pharmaceuticals, right? And drugs and things that make people tons of money, and we're spending zero money on anything natural because, you know, pharmaceutical can't really make money off of natural, occurring substance. Companies can, but the pharmaceutical industry, I guess, can't.

The pharmaceutical companies, but way more money off of drugs than the natural products do. Yeah. But I will tell you, there's a lot of products in the natural products industry that while they're natural, I'm not going to say they're healthy. Yeah. I mean, you know, anytime you buy a gum, a chewing gum that has sugar, I don't give a crap.

Sorry, I don't mean to say anything bad. That's okay. You know, I don't give a crap if it's natural sugar. Yeah. The bacteria in your body, they don't care. They care that it's a six-carbon sugar. Yeah, that's true. Okay.

And you have some of these gums in the natural product space that are coming out and say, we're healthier for you because we're, what do they call it, natural sugar, organic, we're organic sugar. And it's like, do you think the bacteria are stopping and saying, well, it's organic, so no, we're not going to eat it. Yeah. No, I don't. They don't care.

It's food. Well, I do want to mention a couple things before we go. I got a question for you, since you are low carb. The U.S. meat supply may soon be widely contaminated with MRNA proteins from biotech vaccines. These are things that are coming out. There are multiple, there are multiple patents here. The Bayer partners with biotech to develop MRNA vaccines, drug for animal health. That was 16, 2023. I really think that you're going to, you might see some of that. Yeah. But I also, there's two things. One, if you're eating it, I don't think it's going to do that much to you because

the acid in your stomach is going to dissolve any of it. Well, what about the mouth? Well, that's true. But I don't think you're still having, your mouth is acidic, especially when you're eating. Yeah. But I agree with that. It is a thing of concern, but most of the meat that I buy, I make sure it's not, you know, I don't want to say that it's organic. Yeah. But I want the meat that doesn't have all of the garbage in it.

Which I think, you know, to that point, we're going to do a podcast specifically on this too, but, you know, there's a lot of people that need to start looking into, well, people that can afford it anyway, looking into, you know, ranches, people that, you know. Well, I think that you're going to have enough ranchers. Yeah. I mean, think about who runs. these ranches. Do you think they're left-leaning people that are going to let them put all those vaccines in there? Or do you think most of them are right-wing-leaning people that are going to say,

maybe, maybe not? Yeah, and I think we were talking about last night. I wanted to mention this, too, since you're a pilot. But, you know, after vaccine roll out, the FAA tactically admitted that pilots' EKGs are no longer normal. And they're actually already starting to, there are a lot of the elites that's actually in Davos right now. A lot of the, those have asked for pilots that are unvaccinated because of the oddity and electric car or EKGs. But isn't this, I mean, isn't this something, though, from the vaccine side of things, if we're starting to see the prevalence of myocarditis and a lot of these things that are actually happening, these things are coming out, we're seeing this, we're seeing a lot of that.

I mean, as a pilot, you know, isn't that something that, you know, is kind of scary when you have pilots that are transporting all these people across the country? across the world that have been sometimes quad vaccinated because was the airline industry were they ever mandated to get vaccinated yeah but you have a bunch of them that didn't but the vast majority of them did yeah and and i you know i i mean it's scary because like if you look at like sports right there a lot of people are saying there's a lot of athletes that are dropping don't don't we don't know for sure so so your commercial planes almost always have two pilots yeah and and and i'm not as as worried about that because if i'm on a plane i mean i think it's

terrible but if I'm on a plane and something happens yeah I know how to fly it that is true or I could probably I'm not going to say I know how to fly a jumbo jet or a big jet but um you know I'm confident enough that I could probably figure it out yeah you know they land themselves pretty much but yeah like the airbus they're pretty much a computer um for the most part it's one of the least that's why a lot of people yeah that's a whole other aviation uh podcast but um so what is that So you guys are right now, you're in kind of the midst of the lawsuit. You think that's going to probably take a while. Well, when their strategy and their tactic is, because we're all pretty confident that they know that they're going to lose.

Yeah. Okay. You know, they're suing a doctor right now, and they kind of just told the doctor, and I can't remember his name. But he's out of Missouri or Kansas or something. And I've talked to him, but he goes, yeah, they've kind of just told us that they've pulled their sword out until there's blood on it, they're not going to stop. It doesn't matter because they, you know, it's great. I pay taxes.

I pay a lot of taxes. And they turn around and use that tax money to fund, you know, fantasy writers to draft lawsuits to come after me for more. That makes sense. And guys, just so you know, they do have a wide range of products. But I want to briefly, you have the regular nasal spray, which is what I've always used, but you have the rescue. And what's the deal with the, it has oregano, eucalyptus, tea tree, and parsley oils.

It's just designed to help. reduced that bacterial load. We have not done any studies with that one in viruses. It is the original one, but with the added effect of the oregano. Okay. And then you got the other one which has cap cap... Capesin. Capacin.

Yeah, and that's actually found what in cayenne pepper and stuff like that. And what's kind of the thing behind that is that for allergies and... Yeah. So when we first started, you know, and we were talking about, you know, blocking bacterial adhesion. Yeah. That's where it originally started, but within a number of years, four or five years, the vast majority of people using our product were people that had allergies. And after we did a little survey to find that out, you know, we're like allergies, what does this do for allergies?

And so we started doing some research. And so that was our, the max was actually our first line extension. And that was based on that because Caveson, it's a natural, you know, antihistamine type of a product. And it doesn't burn your nose when you spread. right up there, but it does help clean that out. So you're cleaning out a lot of the dand or the pollen, the, the, the, the allergens that are causing you to have a reaction. But that's really what it does.

Okay. Yeah, we're going to follow this, this lawsuit for sure, and hopefully you guys come out of it better than you were ever. It just makes me so mad that they're even doing that. Well, but it makes sense. Because it works. Because it works. Because it works.

And the government is trying to sue you for, helping people, I guess because it's, they're not making money off of you. Well, and I think, too, they are making a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I guess right. Well, and I think, too, is that if your product didn't work, like maybe if you guys would not even even have had any evidence backed science or any of the stuff behind it, they may not have even came after you that hard, but I think it's just a simple fact that they know it works is probably why they want to stop it. I mean, I know that sounds nuts, but that's literally

the world we're living in. It is. And it's even like with like the next. and all the other stuff. They know that works. They don't want people to have it. Yeah. Well, you asked the question earlier, but, you know, I used to think that our government was, you know, mostly just run by politicians and incompetence.

Yeah. But now I realize that our government, the politicians don't do anything. Yeah. Okay? They don't. They're out there. They're the face of the government.

But the bureaucrats that are in there are the, you know, people call it the deep state. But that is what it is. Because these lawyers that are drafting these lawsuits and filing them, there's no repercussion to them. No. Okay? They can go after anybody and there's nothing they can do.

The government can't fire them. They can't come back and you can't, you know, they're coming after me for money that I've earned, money that I've worked for helping people. They have zero people that are coming in and saying, well, I was harmed. I was hurt. It didn't work.

Okay. But yet there, and so there's no reprimals. percussion back to them. And they know that. So they don't care. Well, and this, you know, government overreach is what it is. That's something we talked about, which is probably going to be similar or something in the title for this. But I do want to briefly talk about the government overreach side of this because, you know, as we were talking about, it works. The things that are working, they're trying to get rid of. One of the things that we found, I guess, is that during this whole COVID thing, there were so many, it seemed like everything that actually worked, all these

studies. There were studies that came out about quercetin and zinc and vitamin D. And there were there were all these things that they said, oh, well, there's, there's not enough people in these studies. There's not enough, you know, you guys did it for 2,000 people. It should be 10,000. Or if it's 10,000, it should be 30,000. But it should really only be eight mice. Yeah. Well, I mean, but I mean, and the reality is what the ways that they tested the vaccine was ridiculous. But, you know, they can get away with testing. the way they want to, but somebody else forget it. Yeah, but what do you think about, I mean, how does the government overreach thing stop?

I mean, is there a way? I don't think there is because, I mean, I really don't. I think that the bureaucrats in our country are going to drive this country into the ground. Yeah. Because they are. They're doing it right now because they don't care. Yeah. You know, I would like to think that the employees that are working for,

for the federal government are people like Jack Ryan. Yeah. Okay? People who have America's best interest at heart. Yeah. But what I do know is that these lawyers at the FD, at the FTC, I know that Samuel Levine doesn't. Yeah.

I know that Michael Fenton Miller doesn't, or not Michael. What's his first name? I don't know. Keith Fenton Miller. I know he doesn't. Yeah. You know, I know that a lot of these people don't. And I know there's people that are elected that don't.

Yeah. Okay. When we went to Washington, D.C., we went in and we talked to a bunch of politicians. Every single one of them was like, yeah, this just makes sense, you know, if you have something in your nose to physically wash it out. I mean, that's like kindergarten type stuff. Yeah. Okay? Your hands are dirty?

Wash them. Your face is dirty. Wash it. Yeah. You know, you got a bunch of bacteria or pollen or you got something up your nose. Wash it out. You've got thousands of years of safety data that washing your nose helps. Yeah.

But yet none of them except for, you know, Congresswoman Ames actually stood up and said, hey, what's going on here? Why aren't you actually talking about this as part of the solution? Not the solution, but part of the solution. And, of course, she never received an answer from the Secretary of Becherra. Never received an answer. But at least she had the courage to stand up. All the other ones, you know, there are a lot of politicians that are bought and paid for by pharma.

And they're not going to stand up. Yeah, I mean, and that's one of the reasons we wanted to have you on, because, you know, we wanted to make sure that, you know, I don't know if there's anything you're going to be able to do to potentially make this a, I'm not going to necessarily say standard of care, but there are organizations and people out there like the FLCC and some of these other ones that are trying to, you know, develop protocols for treatment, right? Well, when you're talking about standard of care, let me, I just want to bring a one thing if I can. Yeah. You're familiar with what is the best way to stop the spread of a communicable? disease. Washing your hand.

Yeah. Washing your hand. Hygiene. Stuff like that. That's a really simple concept. Yeah. Okay. So Ignan Semelvise first wrote a paper about that in 1848 and said doctors, I, you know,

this was published in Austria of the NAA. Where is that? And he goes, yeah, they were having a, it's called purport fever, but it was, I'm not even sure what it was, but it's a disease that was given in the hospital, mostly to women giving birth. Yeah. And about 27% of them were dying. in childbirth.

Wow. And that's ridiculous. But what he did is he started washing his hands. He went and looked for a solution. And the only thing that he saw is that in their hospital, they had another section where all the poor people would go. And their birth rate was like 1 or 2%. Or not birth rate.

Their death rate was like 1 or 2%. And the only thing you could figure out is that the doctors in the hospital, the rich people's hospital, they were working on cadavers before they went in and delivered. these babies. And so he just said, well, I'm just going to start washing my hands. He started washing his hands. His death rate went down to lower than one or two percent, similar to over here. And he wrote a paper about it. And the doctors actually ridiculed him about it. They ran him out. He actually died in an insane asylum because he couldn't handle the ridicule a number of years later.

And his boss actually said, get this newfangled stuff out of here. If it wasn't good enough for the people before us, we don't need it now. Okay. But now, so in 1848, that's when he wrote his paper, when do you think it became standard of care in the United States for physicians, health care providers to wash their hands or change their gloves between sick patients? I can't answer this because you already told me, but I was I was blown away by that. Okay. And that was 1848, you said? Yeah.

So what is the date? It was 1998. Uh-uh. It was 150 years. Okay? And what drove that was the hep C and the age crisis. Yeah. But, you know, just to that point, that's what scares me about our future.

because we haven't learned anything. I mean, literally. Well, we have. We just ignore it. Yeah. Don't do anything. You know, how long, you know, what happens? We just ignore it because we'd rather spend more taxpayer dollars to find, to fund more research, to find more things that we know would solve our problems and then not implement that research.

You know what the scariest thing is if next, if this year we had a pandemic again, maybe a worse case of COVID. But the exact same thing. But not monkeypox. No, not Monkey Box because that disappeared for whatever reason. That wasn't working and scaring the right people. But yeah, if we have another pandemic, which I believe will happen, I think that it's probably going to be one. I mean, there are the NEPO virus, I believe is what it is. It's got an 80% mortality rate, which they also have in the lab in Wuhan.

How do you think that the government would respond as far as treatment goes? And I almost guarantee you it would be the same of the same. and we would probably lose a lot of a lot more lives because listen preventative is is a huge thing we could care less about preventative during COVID but do you think it would do you think it would do you think it would be the same treatment plan protocols that they used before I I can't answer that question I have no clue I mean what I do know is that all of these pandemic preparedness conferences that our country attends I would probably find a country that did not participate in those and move there.

Yeah. Because, you know, from what I read and saw, the countries that participated in these pandemic preparedness, you know, those are the countries that were suffered the most under COVID. Yeah. So obviously what they learned in their pandemic preparedness, they didn't learn from it. Yeah. Or maybe they did, and maybe that's what they wanted was to depopulate.

That could be true, too. Yeah. And the thing is, like, I posted a meme the other day. It had all the countries broken down as far as how many attendees. there were at Davos this year, which is going on, I think, still right now. But the United States obviously was number one. We had the most people that attended Davos, the World Economic Forum. I think we had 600 and something executives. The United Kingdom was second. You know, then it kind of follows down, kind of the NATO countries, basically. But I put on there, like, if you could not

live in any of these top countries, especially as far as just not dying of a pandemic or something else in the future, that might be a better off thing. But I think the problem too is that, and before we go, I think the government, our government, we can look at it as, you know, the FTC suing you, we can look at it as the government suing, but we talk so much about how this world is trying to have a globalistic world government. The only way that that's really affected me is, you know, we used to bank at a, I don't know that I want to mention the names of it. Yeah. But we banked at a bank. We banked there for a while. And they did something that I wasn't

happy with. And so as soon as we fixed that problem, we went to another bank, which was Bank of America. Yeah. And we went to Bank of America after they've been trying to get us to go to him for a number of years. And so finally, after we got everything fixed up, and we told them, we said, the government is probably going to sue us. Well, why are they going to sue you? Well, because they're sitting here and saying that we're claiming that our product will cure and treat COVID, which we don't. Okay? What we say is xylitol blocks viral adhesion, which we have studies. Okay.

You have to make the leap to understand whatever goes forward from that. But we told them all this, and they said, well, that's fine. That's not a problem. The minute the government, so we moved all of our banking over to Bank of America, the minute the government sued us, actually I shouldn't say the minute, but within a week. Yeah. That the government sued us. Bank of America came in and said, you have 30 days, you've got to take your banking elsewhere.

Wow. And there's no risk to it because you have all kinds of product backing up. And that's what they came back. That was the lie they told us, is, well, it's because you're too risky. Well, how is it risky? Yeah. Okay? It's not risky.

There's no risk. There's plenty of real estate. There's plenty of collateral backing up this loan. But they just said, you have 30 days. But I also think they know the power of the government, even on them. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't, so I don't know what it is, but you go and you talk about the whole ESG thing that they're talking about at Davos and everything. Yeah. And you have, the Bank of America is one of the biggest banks that that participates in that.

Yeah. Well, and, you know, you see these people, you saw what we saw in Canada, the Canada truck rally, they basically froze people's bank accounts. They were able to do everything. I mean, if the government wants you to stop or they want to cancel you, they're not just going to cancel you on social media, they're going to cancel everything. Your bank, your ability to live. And they're, they can obviously do that with. influencing companies. Not Twitter. They can't influence Twitter. Yeah, as of right now.

Or YouTube. But there has been a lot of... They can't influence the mainstream media. Yeah. No. Yeah, exactly. I do have hope, I guess. At least Elon's got Twitter right now, but I think the government will definitely come

after Twitter. I think it'll be their downfall regardless of how many people back out of sponsorships or advertising because there's been, I think, 500 plus. But if that doesn't, work you always know the government's going to come in and do what they got to do and it's just a scary world even like what they do with crypto yeah you know but again i don't think that's elected officials that are doing that i think that's the bureaucrats yeah um that are in there and again the bureaucrats are are what is going to destroy this country yeah i agree well nathan i appreciate you coming and look

we're definitely going to have to have some more conversations in the future um for sure because we we got there's so much stuff we can talk about and maybe we can kind of have a panel discussion one day with some other people and well next time you need to come up to utah yes yes yeah we definitely want to Utah is absolutely beautiful how you like Utah you like it pretty well how long have you lived there off and on since I was 16 okay um you know I lived in Louisiana for a while I was in the military I was down in Fort Benning okay Georgia yeah and some other places um you know but I I've lived around a little bit. I mean, I lived in Michigan as a 14-year-old. I lived in Texas. I hated living in Texas. Really? I would say Michigan was too cold, but I think Utah's insanely cold too. No, no, no, no. Michigan is much colder. You think? Yeah. Well, so the reason why I didn't like Texas, it was simply that we moved there from Idaho. Yeah. And to Dallas, Arlington area. And it would get cold. Like even at 45 degrees, it's freezing cold because it's so humid. Humid, yeah. And that's the problem with Michigan. And in Utah, you can walk outside and it'll be, you know, below freezing,

but you can walk outside for five or ten minutes in a sweatshirt before it actually you start feeling it really bad because, you know, it's so dry. And that's the same thing in the summer. You know, it's 110 degrees. Yeah, you don't break a sweat. Well, you do break a sweat. It just evaporates so dang fast that you don't notice. Right. Yeah, that's like here. If it's, you know, 30 degrees, it really is, it feels like 10. I mean, the humidity. But, you know, here in this area, in the summer, it'll be 105, 100 degrees, and it's 100% humidity.

You can't breathe, can't be outside. It's nuts. But you flew in yesterday and it's like 65. I don't know what, actually, when you landed and what the temperature was probably 60, 65. So it's pretty warm. But Nathan, definitely guys go out and check out clear. I'm telling you it works for me. It works better than anything I've ever used.

And one of the things that I want to make sure is I want to make sure people, even if you don't buy our products, which I don't want to be on here sounding like I'm a shill for it. But what I do think that people need to do is they really do need to take ownership of their own health. And that includes exercise. That includes eating right. That includes good hygiene. And when you talk about hygiene, what you want to make sure of is that your hygiene to me is managing your game. gateway microbiomes. Yeah.

Okay. Your mouth, your nose, okay? Places where bacteria and viruses are entering your body. That is good hygiene. You know, we have good sanitation. I mean, and a hygiene, the way that I define hygiene and sanitation is hygiene is what you do to yourself, and sanitation is communal. And we do the same thing.

Our people with sanitation, they do the same thing. They take away the trash. They keep it clean. Plumliness is next to godliness, you know, how that all goes. Oh, yeah. Our nose is actually pretty filthy. I mean, when you stop and think about it, and most people don't, because this is what I do for work for 20 years,

how much do you think, how much air do you think you breathe every day? A lot. Take a guess. Oh, God. Are you talking about leaders? And leaders or, you know, I'm going to give you a visual, but it's about 13,000 liters. You know the big semi-trucks full of fuel you see driving up and down the road?

About the size of that. And think of all the dirt and the bacteria, everything in that. And so all you're doing when we suggest that you wash your nose or brush your teeth is actually getting rid of the garbage that's in there. And when you're using, when you're talking about oral hygiene, you have to make sure you're not killing off the commensal bacteria, the bacteria that you want in your mouth that are helpful for you. Because those bacteria, not only do some of them help us break down our food that we eat, but a lot of them are actually attacking bacteria that are pathogenic to us. I don't know if I'm crazy, but I have to ask you this. You know, I usually... Maybe.

I do the clear nasal spray when I'm healthy in preventing sickness, but when I'm sick and I take it, it burns that crap out of my nose. That's probably because you have open sores in your nose. But also, when she has been sick before and I would take it, usually I take it and it doesn't bother me too much, like as far as burning or anything. But when she's sick and I take it, I can feel it burning in my... It's almost like it's getting rid of that. It's almost like you can tell it works.

You know, married people sometimes fill each other's pain. Yeah, I guess, maybe. That one is new to me. I've never heard that. I mean, it doesn't burn that much. It's almost like it feels like the more bad stuff in my nose, the more it burns. Yeah. That probably would.

And the reason why is because it has salt in it, which if it wasn't for our government and the great and glorious regulations that we have, we would actually take the salt out. Yeah. Because the salt actually makes it a worse product. Yeah. Without the salt, it would be better. Which it is the easiest nose spray I've ever had. I don't like nose sprays at all.

I can tell when I'm sick. I can tell I'm sick from that nasal spray. Yeah, but so what happens is if you have something up in your airway, if you have an open sword or an open wound, I mean, you're throwing salt into it. Yeah. I mean, it's going to stink. You'd cut yourself, throw some salt on it. It stinks.

Yeah. You know. And so if you were sick, though, by the way, what would be the one that you would do? Is it a rescue? Like, say you were sick. I would use a rescue if I was sick. I got you. I mean, again, I've been sick once in 23 years.

Yeah. I might have had COVID. I might have sneezed once or twice, but that's the extent of what my COVID was. Yeah, that's kind of the way mine was, too. Yeah, I used it the other night, actually. Sherry decided to put some potatoes and oil on a flat pan in the oven. And so the oil ran off of the pan, and I came downstairs, and it looked like the house was on fire. This was yesterday?

Yeah, night before. The night before. Yeah. Could not breathe. We went out to dinner last night. Is this why you agreed to go out to dinner? No, not last night. Not last night.

Not because she caught the house in the fire. No, but it was so funny because I came down and we had every window open for hours. And, you know, so I was like, where is my clear nasal spray, sherry? It's in the oven. Yeah. Probably so. Yeah. But guys, I encourage you all to go out and check it.

Just get it to have it because it's helped me. and Nathan, we're definitely going to have you back on and hopefully next time we'll be in Utah because we need an excuse to go out there. And we actually have had a lot of people reach out to us that live in Utah. So a lot of our listeners are there. Well, have those listeners reach out

to our state government. Yeah. Because when this COVID came around, this tells you how, I don't want to say corrupt, but how obtuse, how unwilling to listen. But when COVID came, came out, this just tells you about Utah. We actually contacted Angela Dunn again, because I don't think she's a healer. I don't think she's a person. She was our state epidemiology. But I reached out

to them, and I said, hey, we have a nasal spray here. We have a bunch of doctors that are suggesting that it works, that it could help. This is before they had a vaccine. We offered to give them 10,000 bottles of it for free, just to see if it would work. They refused. Okay. I think I think that because of the inaction and the obtuseness of our public health officials to actually do something on their own, to take the initiative, that hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people have died around the world. And that's on their head. The other part of it is, is because of changing buying patterns during COVID, we actually went to Utah, to the state of Utah and said, hey, we know that you won't pay to have a gum chewing program in the schools, the elementary

schools. We have about $700,000 worth of gum that we're going to have to throw away. Yeah. Okay? And the reason why is because it's the little blister cards. And when COVID came around, this is all sold at the cash wrap, the cash register. People were standing six feet apart. And so people weren't standing in there. They weren't buying the stuff that was in the cash register. The cash wrap is what it's called. The other stuff when they were buying it was was in bigger containers, which was back around the store, and a lot of it was online.

But we had all this gum, and we're like, what do we do with it? We're trying to find a home for it. We didn't want to throw it away. It's a waste. We went to the state of Utah and said, hey, we'll give you the product so you can implement this. And nobody would actually, everybody's like, oh, that would be so great. These kids are suffering. They come in with cavities.

Their teeth are rotting. They don't want to talk to their mom and dad about it because they know that they can't afford to go fix it. And we're like, then why don't you do these? I mean, it's such a cost-effective way to prevent tooth decay, but our public health officials don't want, none of them want to actually do anything. It's so much easier to just do nothing and get paid for it.

Well, and that's the thing. I'm sharing now we're talking another day as like imagine, I mean, we know how many people died in nursing homes, but imagine had something had been done preventatory that, you know, say that everyone had nasal spray that would work, right? I mean, how many lives could have been saved? I mean, I know that sounds like it's a stretch, but it's not. I mean, you know.

Well, you have a study that was done at Vanderbilt early on where they had 60 people, all over the age of 65, all of them had COVID. They all tested positive, and they just used salt water, and 100% of them were better in under a week. Wow. Okay. They knew this. The product was provided by a company called NealMed. NealMed actually put this study on some of their packaging and their webpage, and they received a one. warning letter from the government and removed it.

Which I think is cowardly. You know, but I understand their position and doing it is because they didn't want to fight the government. Yeah. The guy that runs a company, he's an immigrant. You know, he doesn't want to fight the government. And then there was another study that was done at Medical College of Georgia, I want to say, and the same kind of a thing.

But Neil Medd provided the product and another company called Navage provided product. and it was the same thing. 100% of the people got better. And guess what? So even if they had just used salt water, think of all the lives that they could have saved. And you're talking pennies. It's sickening.

It really is, but you know, that's what we have to look forward to. Yeah, unless we can get our public health officials to get off the pharmaceutical bandwagon and actually discuss hygiene and exercise and diet. That is the extent of what our public health officials should discuss. Yeah. We should not have a surgeon general out there saying get vaccinated. We should have a surgeon general out there telling us how to stay healthy.

So as like people like us, just normal everyday people and people that are listening, what are some things do you think that we could do to get our politicians listening? Write letters? What can we do? It's not the, again, I don't think it's the politicians. Yeah. I mean, you can't, you can't, I mean, you know, they came out and said they were going to defund what the changes they were doing to the IRS. Yeah, that ain't going to happen anyway.

You know, they might defund it. Yeah. But you can't fire them. That's the law is you can't fire him. And so it's not the politicians. I don't know what the answer is. The politicians, I think some of them, they're trying to. You have senators like Ron Johnson.

You have senators like, like Mace here in South Carolina. You have some of them who are trying to make a difference. But, you know, Ron Johnson, he. He famously held up that paper, and he goes, yeah, I sent a letter to the FDA asking him, and this is what they sent me back. And it was a paper with an email address on it and blacklined. Yeah. You know, and they're like, they just don't care.

The bureaucrats in our government, they just don't care about America. They don't care about our dreams. They're just wanted in for themselves, and they're going to run this country into the ground. And you can't counter sue the FTC, or can you? No. So that's not even a thing. No. Huh.

That's interesting. So there's really no recourse back at all? No, I think there is because the fact that they, I'm trying to think of how to say it. I think there is some recourse, but it's not going to be against the individual lawyers. It's against some of the actions that they've done that we think there's a case for, you know. And I think the problem too is that I understand that the FTC and the FDA are there to, well, I guess at one time they were there to, to actually try to protect people, right? But I think they're they're manipulating that, you know, and using that for whatever.

And they, and I think they did it during COVID as well. You know, their whole premise of why they can't do all these things or why we're not going to talk about vitamins or supplements or any of that stuff is supposedly to, you know, protect people. But how, how was, you know, giving people good ideas as far as what vitamins and supplements to take to better their health is obviously not going to hurt them. but that's why I believe that it was a coordinated thing in my mind that they didn't want people better. They did not want people better during this pandemic. I think that's why probably a big reason you're being sued.

I think that's why others have been silenced and pushed out and everything else. So, I mean, when they came to you, by the way, did they give you an option? Like, we're going to sue you unless you do this? Or how did that work? They came, well, I told you that. They came and asked for all of this financial information. They wanted financial information of the individual owners of the company. You know, there's 11 people that owned the company.

I own most of it. But they wanted all the financial information of each of those people. And I just said, pound sand. I'm not. So they wanted that before they sued you. Oh, yeah. Okay. I got you.

And I'm like, no. And, you know, they kept coming back and asking for these things. And they kept coming back and saying, you cannot talk about COVID. And I said, we're not talking about SARS-COVID, okay? We're not. We're talking about a sugar molecule that we know from multiple. studies published in the literature that we know blocks adhesion of a virus. There's possibilities that it can help, that nasal hygiene helps.

We have studies showing that it does. So how long after that were you guys served or whatever? It was probably a year, a year and a half. Huh. No, a year. Yeah. Well, you know, something happened that a lot of people heard about you. I mean, I heard about you, and then we told people about you.

And, you know, when they try to silence people, that usually means it's working. It works, yes. And I think that's probably some of your best marketing, you know. Yeah. I'm sure your sales probably went up during that time. Well, they haven't really gone up. When the government sued us, our cells actually went like this. That means hockey sticked up for about a month.

Yeah. And what we've realized is that that was all the people that you just clear heard about it. And they went out and bought a bunch. Yeah. Because they were scared they were going to get it more. Which I did that, actually. But we had a bunch of people that, you know, we're like sitting here because our cells went like this and we're like, what the, and so we go and buy all the raw materials we can make more. We have a bunch of out of stocks.

We're trying to keep it supplied. And then our cells kind of went down and it kind of leveled out. Yeah. But it scared the bejesus out of us because it went like this. We couldn't do it. And then it dropped off like this. And we're like, you know, we'd never seen this happen before. and then people started calling us and saying,

hey, they're not taking you off the market. And I said, no, why are they taking us off the market? There's nothing, we have never heard a person. We only have studies showing how it helps. I mean, we have studies, I mean, all kinds of it, 20 years worth of these. And they said, well, I bought like seven bottles of it. And after, you know, a dozen or so of those calls,

it's like, yeah, and I get it. So now what we have, and this is screwed up of the FTC, but it's also because of us. I mean, this is our own fault. But the FTC did cause it by that. It caused us to take a lot of money and tie it up in inventory because when it started going up, we just ordered all kinds of product

because we didn't want to have future auto stocks. I'd like to say that our podcast had a little bit to do with that spike in sales there. We'll just have to break that down and see exactly how many. No, we did. When did you talk about it? Well, like I said, it was probably a year and a half ago, two year and a half ago. This would have been October of

2021. Yeah, because it was when you guys got sued. That's the reason why we came on, I think it was the next couple days. Well, it was October 12th. Yeah, well, I don't know. Then it wasn't that. Oh, no. Because they actually sued us. I'm just kidding. They filed their lawsuit.

When was it? No, it was actually July we filed our response in October. I'll have to go back and listen and remember. Because I remember as soon as we heard the lawsuit, yeah, as soon as we heard about the lawsuit, I'd already had been using Clear, but that's when we're like, we've got to talk about Clear. And especially considering to getting sued because, you know, ties in our podcast.

So it was actually, I think it was on my birthday. Wow. They timed it well. I mean, I'm sure they did it, but I didn't. Well, and the thing is, like I said, we had a ton of people. I mean, I'm talking about a ton of people emailing and sending us messages and whatever, talking about how, what the, and this was like the months, a couple, two, three months down, the road, you know, after you guys were sued and all that.

But people that were just email them and saying, man, this is how it helped me. This is how it helped me. I can't believe that you guys knew about this because, you know, I mean, so many people. Like, you guys could, I could go give you that three months of emails to where you could just plaster them all over your website of people from around the world, by the way. These are not just, it wasn't just the United States. There were people, I believe in. I'll put it up on billboards around Washington, D.C.

and let our FTC lawyers with their big brains. And I even said, I think on a later podcast, it's like, well, this is our case study of this kind of. I mean, it's like our own little, you know, BS case study. But, you know, when you have so many people that are writing, especially a lot of the people that were listening because they were specifically looking up how they could help themselves. And a lot of those people were high-risk categories.

And so they were writing all these things about how high-risk they were. And then a couple weeks later, they would say, well, this is how it helped me. I didn't even get it. And my husband wouldn't take it. He won't do it, but I did it, and I didn't get it. And I was experiencing the same thing. And I was like, and actually, I want to tell you this.

I got to tell you this. And I told you this already, but I'm going to tell the podcast. So we were also at that time talking about quercetin, and we were talking about vitamin D. And we were talking about all these things. So I had a regiment. And a lot of the, how I found a lot of that stuff was ICU doctors that were, there were certain ICU doctors across country. A couple of them were YouTubers. they were given the Queerston, vitamin D, zinc, vitamin C, that kind of regimen to all of their ICU nurses.

And they were doing this because this was before the vaccine, obviously, but based on a lot of research, they said this probably is going to be our best bet not to get it. So for the ICU doctors that were given this to their nurses, they were not calling out sick. They were not getting COVID. And I think some of them were even using nasal spray. I don't know what nasal spray. But so I was taking all this stuff. And the first time you got COVID, I was taking all that stuff.

So then I was like, well, you know, all these people were saying, well, there, a lot of people, you know, and we told everybody about Quirson D and all this. And a lot of people said, I cannot keep up with all that crap that you're telling us, but I will try the nasal spray or whatever. It was the easiest thing for them to do. So one of the things, the next time you, or it wasn't the next time, but I was like, I need to figure out if it's the nasal spray that's keeping me from getting it. or if it's everything I'm taking that's keeping me from getting it. And this is just my opinion. This is what I kind of found. So I got off everything.

I got off Quirson. I got off all the vitamins. And I just wanted to do my own little study next time she got sick because I knew it was going to come. So she got COVID again. Why is it come? Why do you know it's going to come? Well, because I don't know.

Because of my line of profession. Yeah, that. And the fact she was vaccinated. Or no, you weren't vaccinated then yet. I don't think. Anyways. So I was off everything. And so then she got sick.

And I was like, all right, so started just doing the nasal spray. And I was actually really worried because I was like, I do not want to get sick. But I've got off everything I've been taking since COVID began. And I didn't get it. And I was only on the nasal spray. And then you got sick again. And I didn't get it. I actually don't take a lot of that stuff I used to take now then.

But so in my mind, I was like, well, obviously that's in my, you know, I trust me, I would have got it. I would have been sick with lung infection for months. This is typically what I used to deal with growing up. And I grew up in a household, too, that parents smoked. So my lungs always kind of were challenged. So I was always getting sick. But, yeah, I'm going to say, I'm very grateful for your product. And I think a lot of our listeners are as well.

And so, yeah, I'm happy that your dad figured that out, and you guys ran with it. Well, thank you. And I think it's a good testament. I think it helped a lot of people. So anyways, we're just going to need to see how much more. money you need to give us for all those sales? I'm just kidding. We'll figure that out. Everybody that used it, please write us and we'll calculate it all up. We'll give y'all a cut too. That works. But it is very affordable too. I mean, it's not bad. It is affordable. And

one of the things that makes it affordable is we do try to keep our cost in. I mean, a bottle should retail. I know there's people that sell it for more, but it should retail for about 12 bucks a bottle. and one of these bottles if you use it every morning and every night would last you two to three months. Well, and I don't know if I want to say this because I don't want it to run out. But the best deal I found is y'all store on Amazon. You got the three-pack deal,

which I think is a better deal because it's like 20-something. We don't have a store on Amazon. You don't? Well, it says the clear store. We have a third-party person that does that. And it's if you just go to all xylitol.com, they sell it there too. I got you.

It's a pretty good deal thing there. That's what I usually do. But now, you know, I'm just going to call you. I'm going to get monthly shipments. That works. That's actually what you guys should get into. You know how they do, like, the manscape stuff and the, all that? Yeah, have like a care package of things that people can prescribe to.

Maybe you do something else throw in there or something, but that wouldn't be a bad idea either. We don't even sell, I mean, we're thinking about going back to doing it, but we don't even sell a product off our webpage. Really? And the reason for that is because we used to, but it was like less than one-a-half of one percent of our business. I mean, think of it this way. Do you buy toothpaste online or do you buy it when you go to the store? Yeah, that's true. Do you buy, I mean, hygiene products aren't really something you buy online.

You don't buy your toilet paper online. I mean, there are some people that do. But products that only cost five or six bucks, unless you buy like a year's supply, it's not, your shipping costs cost too much. Yeah. Most of our products are $10, you know, $12 or less. Yeah. And then everybody's going to go to Amazon that has Prime anyway and get it. Yeah.

But they don't sell it. Even on Amazon, they can't sell it in a one-bottle unit because they don't make money. That makes sense. That's why they do three. Gotcha. Well, that's interesting. Well, Nathan, thank you for coming on. We're definitely going to have you back on in the future to talk about some more craziness in the world.

And we'll keep track on your lawsuit and see how that goes. But hopefully it goes good. I think it will. You know, as long as they don't. That's why we've got to get yourselves up so you can keep fighting it because. Well, what we would actually really want is to get a surgeon general in there who actually is looking out for the health of Americans and talking about nasal hygiene and talking about oral hygiene and talking about exercising and talking about diet. Because if you get a surgeon general that gets in there and talks about it, the FTC isn't even going to have a case. They're going to be like you were talking about washing your nose as being part of a layered approach to helping.

Yeah. Which, again, we actually weren't. We were just saying xylitol blocks adhesion. And, you know, these lawyer types are coming out and saying, well, you have to do a double-blind RCT study to be able to make that claim. And I said, can you please explain to me how you do an RCT, a random controlled trial? Yeah. How you do that to show that something blocks viral adhesion. and their answer was, we're not your advisors, we're not your scientists, we're just your lawyers telling you what to do.

Wow. And we're your government lawyers telling you what to do. Because that just shows how ignorant they are because they or how they don't care. Yeah. Because that is not a study that you're due with an RCT. If I wanted to say something prevents COVID in a human, that is something you do with an RCT. You would like to have been able to do those, but the government said no. And so you have the FDA, you have the FTC saying, you have to do this, and then you have the

FDA saying, no, you can't do this. And I'm sure they worked with that. They knew if you did, they knew the outcome of what it would show probably, and that's the problem. So they had the ones with saltwater, and they came out well. They had the ones with nitricidoside. They just came out well. They had the ones with baby shampoo.

That came out well. They have every single study that I'm aware of that had anything to do with nasal hygiene had positive results. Yeah. Yeah, and for me, I did Moln study, and I think it works. Well, thank you. I think, hey, I'm looking forward to you guys continuing what you're doing, and especially for you.

I mean, I know you're out there, but I do want to tell people and make sure people understand that these people that he's talking about that are over these, you know, or in these positions of power, you know, this all kind of goes back to the people you elect that can put these people in place, right? And I think you got to think about, it's more than just about politics. It's more about, you know, the abortion thing and this. And there's so many different factors in politics. But also, I think our number one most important thing that everybody should be really looking at when we try to elect people is I think we could be the people that extinct our own race.

And if we don't have people in place that are going to look out for the benefits of us, not the pharmaceuticals, you know, this could very well be. There's a reason why Elon's trying his ass off to get to Mars. I mean, you know, we have to look at it that way, and we got to look at, like, the people were elected and trusting those people that are going to put the right people. And by the way, like, what DeSantis did in Florida during the COVID thing and what he's continued to kind of been doing, he did really well. And he, everybody went against him because he was going against everything that they were saying to do. But Florida actually fared a lot better than, or at least at the least, as good as California, which was in complete lockdown. although Florida actually had more seniors and more, you know, snowbirds and all this stuff than California did. So think about that when you go to the voting booth is all I will say, our public health, I think is very important.

But so where are you off to now? You headed back home or? I'm going to go up and have dinner up in Virginia with a buddy in mine. Cool, cool. And then I'll fly home tomorrow. Awesome. Well, have a safe flight back. Nathan, we're going to bring you back soon, hopefully, and hopefully we'll be in Utah, for sure.

That works. Thank you. Nathan Jones with Clear, everybody. Thank you. Thank you.