Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Hayden Panettiere: The Mysterious Death & Unanswered Questions in Greenville

Episode Date: August 27, 2026

Hayden Panettiere’s sudden death in Greenville, South Carolina, has left behind more questions than answers. In this episode, we break down her final days, the people around her, the Narcan, the DEA involvement, her history with Brian Hickerson, and the strange details that have fueled speculation online.We also look at Hayden’s struggles with addiction, abuse, grief, and recovery, while separating what investigators have actually confirmed from the theories surrounding her death. Was this simply a tragic overdose, or is there more to the story?My New Song Here!Our Merch

Hello and welcome to I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. Tonight we're taking a closer look at the life and sudden death of Hayden Penitier, a woman many of us watch grow up on screen, and behind the fame was a much more complicated story involving addiction, loss, and abusive relationship, motherhood, recovery, and a very public fight to rebuild her life. Then on August 16th, Hayden was found unresponsive in Greenville, South Carolina, and pronounced dead at just 36 years old. Police say there were no obvious signs of out play, but toxicology is still pending and the DEA is assisting.

And there are still a lot of unanswered questions about our final hours and the people around her. Tonight we're going to go through what we know, what we don't, and why this case is getting so much attention. Guys, welcome to the show. It is August the 26th, 2026. The name of this song, by the way, is Folly Beach Goodbye by. by me. So I finally get to play a song that I've been working on for a little while. And we are going to put the link to this song to where you can actually hear it in its entirety in the description.

So if you guys are listening, you will have the link in the description. You guys can go to Spotify, iTunes, wherever. Spotify is the free place. I think iTunes charges a dollar. Go check it out on Spotify. It's basically about a romance that you had. Maybe you went on vacation at a beach when you were, younger growing up and you found a girl that was from some other town just like you were and you

you kind of fell in love maybe this was like one of your first real experiences at love at the beach like the perfect scenario and then you you have to leave and that person kind of in some way kind of i guess follows you for the rest of your life because you always look back on it and think about it and the name of the song is folly beach goodbye we will put the link in the description so and i love the fact that you actually used a south carolina beach in charleston yeah and there's a lot of people saying that Charleston has never had a song about them ever. So I hope that this blows up because I think that's, well, you're, no, I mean, I mean, they have, but it's just just the fact that like Folly Beach in the name and kind of what

the whole song is about, there's not been a lot of songs like that. Yeah. And so I'm hoping that it really hits hard, especially in Charleston, because we do love Charleston. Yeah, for a matter of fact, that's where we went for our like mini anniversary honeymoon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Charleston.

Yeah, absolutely. It's a cool place. Folly Beach is actually just right off of Charleston. It's what I would consider probably the most popular and nice beach of the Charleston, South Carolina area. And we all know that Charleston is like one of the most visited places in the entirety of the United States. It's one of the best places to live in the United States.

And speaking of South Carolina, what we're talking about tonight, Hayden Penitier, and I'm hoping I'm saying her name right. I'm probably not. She actually died in Greenville, South Carolina, although she was not from Greenville, South Carolina, her POS boyfriend, or should I say that, maybe, whatever, sounds like he was a pretty big POS, lived in Greenville alongside his brother. Now, I don't know if his brother was as big of a POS as maybe he was. His brother is a pastor. Well, that doesn't necessarily automatically mean anything. Well, I think he's a pretty good guy for, as far as I know, I think he's a pretty good guy. I mean, he definitely is involved in the church.

And I don't know. But there's a lot of people that will hide behind the way. word of God. So who knows. Yeah, absolutely. You know, it's kind of one of those weird things. Like, did you ever, you know, like when I was growing up, the Christian girls, right? The girls that like their dads were pastors, they were usually the craziest girls. Yeah, they were the worst, weren't they? Like if you went to a party and you saw either the craziest girl in many ways, I'm not even going to go into all those ways, but I'm just saying the craziest girls at the parties were usually pastors daughters or someone in that. Because they're so rebellous. guess rebellious rebellious they are yeah they're rebellious they um there's something about them i don't

know what it is but either way uh we're going to talk about hayden penitier tonight i remember hayden uh growing up watching her in so many things i mean obviously we remember uh they're remember the titans remember the titans was a amazing role for hayden she knew the offense that was what her thing was and she was such a young girl and she was kind of like their unofficial offensive coordinator she played that role so well, but she's been on so many other shows and movies. And so especially people my age in their early 40s and whatever, she was a little younger, obviously 36. But when she's 36 and she's already acting when she's a kid, you kind of grow up watching her. So a lot of people had this connection to her because of all the role she had. And she was beautiful. I mean, she was one of the

most beautiful girls in Hollywood. There was so many guys when they were younger that had a crush, especially obviously as she got older and then she started she was even more beautiful a lot of guys just had that that crush i guess you can say on hayden and a lot of girls wanted to be like hayden they wanted to they wanted to look like hayden and all the while though throughout her entire career she was struggling she was struggling mentally she was struggling uh you know with her family she was struggling in so many ways and in the interview which we will play a little bit of that in just a moment, you know, she kind of felt or not felt, she sounded so broken. And when she was talking to Jay Shetty on his podcast, it was like when you would hear

her describe all these things and say these certain things, she was completely wide open. This interview came out three months ago. So three months before her death. And she was 100% transparent, but you could just feel the brokenness, you know, in her words and the way she was saying things. And we've got to look back at a lot of Hollywood stars that were children. stars growing up because you look at their lives and many of them are no longer living. This happens quite frequently when it's a child star.

And she started way before the age of 15 acting. Five, I think it was. Yeah. And when she was 15 years old, when she would have to go be in front of audiences and be real peppy and stuff, they started giving her pill and they called it the happy pill. And it would just give her more energy. And she didn't even know what that pill was or even, yeah, didn't even understand what it was or anything.

but they would just give her, you know, her executive team would just give her this pill and say, here's your happy pill. Yeah. And maybe that's how her addiction started in the very beginning. I'm sure. Well, and so here's the thing too with all that, right? Even with that, you know, you talk about giving kids pills. And that happens actually more than you can even imagine.

And not just like an Adderald or Adderall type pill. It happens with, you know, things such as opioids or Xanaxes or to calm or to bring someone up, depending on what the scene is. I mean, these kids, especially during this time, you know, it was kind of like they were on test beds. They were their like little experiments for Hollywood. And the interesting thing about the conspiracy side behind all of this is that Hayden had come out with a memoir. She had not only said some things in her memoir, but she had also talked about some things on a J. Shetty podcast about pedophilia. She'd even talked about one of her personal experiences with that, which we're going to play as well.

And so some people are starting to speculate, you know, was this a death based on what she knew, based on the pedophilia ring, that she was going to expose even further because she had threatened that, not only just in her memoir, because she said she wasn't going to fully expose what she knew in the memoir, but she had contemplated, given more information either to authorities or to the public. And then, of course, now she's dead. And so there's a lot of people who are like, did she die because of this? we don't know, but there's also a lot of new details coming out about the day that she died that we have not heard up until just the past 24 hours. Yeah, the excerpts in her book, she explains in detail the few things that have happened to her like on boats and in Hollywood, but she does not express their name because it's like she came out in an interview and she's like, you know, I don't want to destroy anyone's careers,

but I'm just trying to show people what happened to me so that other people can see that this thing happens to a lot of people and a lot of people that are famous and a lot of people that are not. So we're all alike. And I think that's really important to know. And I also saw a screenshot going on on social media. And many podcasts that we've done, Chad, has been about Hollywood and Illuminati. Well, these screenshots, there was like 10 different shots of Hayden with maybe her, you know, her hand, her like fingers over her eye. So who was Hayden, right? Before we get into obviously the circumstances surrounding her death. I think you have to understand who she was and what her life looked like leading up to this

because there was a lot of things she had said in the interview recently, especially about her mom. There was things she said about her addictions. There's a lot of stuff about her that was very interesting. She was one of those celebrities. A lot of us basically watched growing up. And I've I've said this a million times. I can't tell you how many people, if you showed her picture, they were like, yeah, I know who she was.

She was born in 1989. She started working in front of camera when she was literally a baby. She was doing commercials before she was even old enough to remember them. And then obviously she eventually moved into television and movies. She appeared on shows like One Life to Live, Guide and Light. And then a lot of people probably remember her as the football coach's daughter and remember the Titans. She was on to do movies like Raisin Helen, Ice Princess. But the role that really made her a huge star was Claire Bennett on Heroes.

And that was the show with the famous line. saved the cheerleader, save the world. And Hayden was still only a teenager when all of that fame kind of really started to explode. And then later, obviously, she starred as Juliet Barnes on Nashville, which is interesting when you look back on it because Juliette was a famous young singer dealing with addiction, mental health problems, postpartum depression. Hayden Letters said parts of the storyline started becoming incredibly similar to what she was billing and experiencing in her own life.

So she was so easy to get into this role because it was like this role was kind of written for me. In 2009, Hayden met heavyweight boxing champion Kleshinko. They had an on and off again relationship. Eventually became engaged. And December 2014, they had their daughter named Kaya. After Kaya was born, Hayden began struggling badly with postpartum depression. Obviously, if anybody's listening to or watching the Lindsay Clancy trial, there's a lot that has to do with the postpartum depression and all of that stuff. with Lindsay Clancy and obviously also with Hayden.

And I think this part's important because Hayden later explained that she didn't immediately understand what was happening to her with this depression. You know, she said, I started to feel like I wasn't myself. I started to feel like what the hell is happening to me. My brain is damaged. Something has changed. And this was mostly what at least we know was because of postpartum. Now, we don't know during this time.

How many SSRIs was she on? What drugs was she doing? We don't know any of that. at the very least we know that it started after the birth of her child. And so that's, I think, kind of important. She publicly talked about postpartum depression at a time when celebrities really weren't talking about it whatsoever. And she eventually went into treatment, including treatment in 2015 and again afterwards.

So what that tells me is it's not, I don't think it was solely postpartum depression. And then oftentimes that when you do have postpartum depression, they can put you on SSRIs, whether you were on them or not. And then that could, you know, it could obviously make the situation worse to begin with. But it's just interesting that her postpartum started at the same time as Lindsay's did. Around eight months old, when Kyle was eight months old is when she went into treatment for the first time for her postpartum. And she couldn't understand because she said, you know, I have this happy life. I'm so fortunate.

I have this baby. I have this amazing man. And I just don't feel right. There's something wrong with me. So it was like eight months to up to a year of Kyah's first life when she was experiencing all this. Well, Hayden said later that the situation became so much worse than just depression because she was struggling with alcohol. She was struggling with prescription drugs and eventually opioids.

And so she said it was like the craziest cycle. I could not get out of this because, number one, what was what I was taking to treat the postpartum, the depression, which began with prescription drugs according to multiple reports, then led into alcoholism and then opioids. And opioids could have been a part of the prescription medicine, obviously, as well. And so in her memoir, This is Me, A Reckon, which came out just a few months before she died. She described years of addiction, rehab, trying to get sober with no luck.

She also said that when she was still a teenager, someone on her team would give her what she called happy pills, what Sherry was talking about before the red carpets in interviews, so that she would appear energetic and upbeat. In 2018, Hayden made what she described as one of the hardest decisions of her life, which was her daughter, Kaya, went to live primarily with her father. And she said this was like one of the hardest decisions she's ever made.

But she felt like she had to at the time. And at the time, Kaya was four years old. And in her memoir, she does say that the father demanded that she give up full custody. And it was a very hard decision for her. But she knew it was best for her daughter because of the addiction she was in. Yeah, absolutely. And she later also explained that she knew that she wasn't healthy enough at the point. to be the mother that she wanted to be.

And so, Kaya's now 11 years old, which really sucks for her because now she's not going to have a mother whatsoever, ever again. Now, Brian Hickerson enters her life. Now, this is the boyfriend that we have been referring to.

And this is also in 2018, after Hayden and the boxer split, Hayden met Brian Higgerson at a bar in West Hollywood. And according to Hayden, the relationship initially felt easy and exciting, but it eventually became pretty violent. And so there were multiple domestic violence.

multiple arrest involving Brian in 2019. Brian was arrested after an alleged domestic violence incident involving Hayden. There was another incident in Wyoming in February of 2020. And then in 2020, prosecutors in Los Angeles charged Brian with multiple felony accounts involving alleged abuse of hating. So, you know, multiple felony accounts, you know, when you have that, obviously they have enough evidence that says you were not only abusive, but like there's a lot to go along with that with multiple felony accounts. and I don't know exactly what those felony counts were, but, you know, they can even charge people,

especially in domestic situations with kidnapping. And a lot of people don't understand, you think of kidnapping as like a kid. You take a kid somewhere and, you know, you take him from the paternal parents or whatever the case is. But in a lot of domestic violence cases, actually people are charged with kidnapping, whether it's the fact that, you know,

she says, well, he wouldn't let me leave the room, right? That's kidnapping. And if you get charged with kidnapping, just for that one little thing, then you could go to jail for like 20 plus years. So this is like, you know, it's a very serious thing. Domestic violence can go from like, hey, you slapped her or vice versa to you could be in jail for 20 plus years. Yeah, and I believe Brian had four felony counts and he was trying to get them down to misdemeanors. Well, he ultimately pleaded no contest to felony accounts of injuring the spouse or a girlfriend.

He received probation, domestic violence counseling, and jail time. And so that's, that isn't kind of something that's based purely on Hayden's allegations. It was obviously from evidence. Yeah. And Brian himself acknowledged that the abuse publicly earlier this year while discussing Hayden's memoir, he admitted that he had been drinking, became physical with her and was arrested. And so everything that happened between them, Hayden and Brian continued to have in contact over the years. Now, it's interesting because Brian actually went on TMZ, which was not that long ago. and they were asking him about Hayden and their relationship.

And this dude in this interview was whacked out of his mind. And it wasn't even necessarily how he was saying things, although that was very strange as well. But if you looked at his eyes, you could tell he was on something. His pupils were completely dilated. Dude just seemed like he was crazy. And I actually couldn't even believe that he even did the interview. Let me actually see if I can find the interview real quick. And it's not a long interview, but I just want you to hear the way he talked.

All right, guys. So I did find the actual interview with TMZ. And this is them asking Brian about his relationship with Hayden. Listen. You and Hayden first started dating in 2018. And it's been a very public relationship. Is there anything you want people to know about you and Hayden's relationship? Hayden Bennett-Dair is the sweetest thing in the world.

It's not about who you spend Saturday night with It's who you spend all day Sunday with. Hayden Pantheir is a Sunday girl. Do you think it's better for her to not be with you? I think that Hayden is one of the most talented people I've ever met in my life, and I would be an idiot not to walk away from her and let her full rush in her career.

So, uh, we probably wouldn't be good together. I'd like. So we go. Uh, we could play the whole thing, but that's basically what he sounded like the entire interview.

And this guy's eyes were completely dilated. He looked like he was high on something and obviously sounds very high on something. And the interesting thing is the dude looks like a clean cut guy. He looks like a normal everyday dude. But that. That dude is whacked out of his mind. Yeah, he does have the southern exit, though. But, you know, he even said himself, like, it would be the best thing for me possibly to do to get to hell away from here because I think he somehow envisioned probably what was to come.

You know, if you go to jail multiple times or you have multiple run-ins with the police because of the girl you're with, you know, especially where you end up in jail for felony counts over the course of years with domestic violence, that's probably a good sign that you probably should not be with that person. And he knows that and she knew that, right? But oftentimes if you are sometimes connected with that, whatever it is, that I guess the passion of the love kind of behind the scenes, there's a lot of bad shit that can go wrong. And especially then if you are connected through drugs, like if he's your hookup for drugs or if he's like the guy that got you into that lifestyle. And, you know, you might miss the experiences you had with this person, hi. I mean, I know that sounds crazy, but that does happen. And I think in a lot of abusive relationships, like she said in one of the interviews, you'd rather be abused than feel alone. And I think that is a huge thing because when you are in an abusive relationship, you isolate yourself from your family.

You isolate yourself from your friends. And you feel like you're alone and you have no one. And I feel like that's what she was kind of reaching out for help to do is say, you know, I'm isolated and you're, I have to break free from him. And she did for a while. And that's what's crazy. And she went back to him. But that happens a lot of times to an abusive relationships.

You go back. Oh, yeah. Well, and that's the thing. Like, Hayden and Brian continued having contact over years. You know, every one of these encounters with law enforcement and the rest and all this stuff, she kept going back. You know, they might spend a couple, two, three weeks apart. Then there would be something that drew them back together.

And oftentimes it sounded like maybe that was drugs that drew them back together. And, you know, keeping also. in mind, Brian and them lived in Greenville. It was somewhere that Hayden could escape Hollywood in California to escape here to the south. True. And it was a place that, you know, she could kind of get away with moving around town. Even the Greenville, you know, which is like 20 minutes from where we live, it is a big

town. I mean, it's not, it's not, it's not Atlanta and it's not even Charlotte. It is big and it is definitely growing. And there are a lot of people there, but it's definitely easier to walk about and do things about, especially if you're a celebrity in Greenville than it is in, you know, Atlanta, Charlotte, Los Angeles, New York. Exactly, because there are so many people on social media saying, we didn't even know she was here. Yeah.

Well, no, you didn't because that's what she wanted. She didn't want people to know she was here, although there was another reason why she could have been here that we'll talk about in the timeline. Yeah. Well, so, and then, you know, she had talked publicly a lot about trying to forgive him. And there were many points that she described themselves as friends, rather I guess, than lovers. but by the time Hayden died, Brian's brother, Zach told police that Hayden was Brian's girlfriend. That's literally what he said. So this is one of the big reasons that Brian's presence in Greenville has received a lot of attention, right?

So then we get to, I guess we got to go back to the loss of Hayden's brother. In February, 2023, Hayden suffered another devastating loss, which was her brother, Jansen Penitier, died suddenly at 28 years old from complications related to and enlarge heart. which is crazy. Hayden and Jansen were extremely close. Find that interesting. I mean, I understand the large heart thing, but when I see February,

2023, I think a vaccine, which, by the way, various things that happen because the vaccine can cause enlarged hearts that then fail.

She said that losing him had changed her profoundly. She struggled with grief afterwards. So you're taking this from a girl that had already had so much grief, already had so many things that were going wrong in her life. especially with the mother

and she explicitly explains that in the interview with Jay Shetty which I felt horrible for her as she was like explaining this I was like it just makes you feel like your heart is ripped out of your chest when she's talking about her mom because you know I don't know if we're going to play that if we don't I'll let you basically know what she says but she later said losing them completely devastated her changed her and made a lot of the shit she was going through worse

and so at this point, Hayden had already lived through child stardom, intense scrutiny, postpartum depression, addiction, the loss of custody of her daughter, domestic violence, and then her brother dying. And all of that is in pretty, I mean, that's pretty insane stuff. And then this year in 26, obviously she released a memoir. And what makes a timing of her death, especially haunting, is that she actually sounded hopeful during the promotion of her book, even though she went through all of this stuff and said, this is all the shit I've been through. But she actually seemed pretty hopeful that things will get better.

I think that I can overcome this and I think I am. And I think that is why, that is part of the reason why she wrote this book. She says that she wrote the book to help other people in abusive relationships. But many times when people write books about their lives, it's therapy to yourself. You know, it's just like when Pauline and I wrote the book about Marquay's, a mother's promise, the Marquay's story. Pauline wanted to get her son's story out, but she also needed that therapeutic help to get everything written down on the pages. And it's just, you know, when you're writing about the pain and everything you experienced and you're putting it down in a book, I really do think it helps you.

No, I agree with that. And also just, you know, using your pain and what you went through for better or bigger purposes, which I think Pauline's doing. now you guys are doing a podcast you wrote a book you you got to keep yourself busy and you got to keep yourself feeling like that you are doing something that is uh going to improve someone else's life or help someone else or whatever the case may be especially after you went through hell like that because exactly you know when you go through hell like that especially if you lose someone so close to your daughter your son your husband wife mother father and especially in a way like murder um that's just tough and and i think for some for a lot of people there's a lot of

therapeuticness that can come out of that, if they use it the right way for people that don't try to go that route, a lot of them really start to, I guess you can say not degrade, but they start to shrivel up in a little ball and die. I mean, that's what you, that's what can happen. And I'm just kind of wondering if this happened with Hayden because after she wrote the book and she was promoting it this summer in May, she was out there promoting it, seemed happy, seemed alive, seemed like her life was restarting. So then how does she? get two months later from promoting her book and telling about all these addictions and abusive relationships and now she's back at it. And what's crazy is her family really didn't know.

She was hiding it from her close circles. Yeah. Well, and the problem is I think if you listen to the interview with Jay Shetty, she didn't really have a lot of close circles. You know, she had a few, but, you know, she had mentioned an interview that like, you know, because she was famous from like literal almost birth, you know, as a baby all the way through, you know, she still went to school. She, she did all the, she tried to do all the normal things, but like kids hated her. They, and you would think like, if you're famous, like kids would want to be around you, they'd want to be your friend, but she's like, it was the opposite.

Like, they did not want anything to do with me. They made fun of me. And it was like just me trying to connect with these people was impossible. Like, and especially the girls. The girls really hated her, which is why, you know, it was just damn near impossible to find a friend group and to relate to them and to connect with them. And that's one of those things, dude, is like very hard on your mental. Yeah.

And it's called jealousy. And I think that's why some of the closest people to her were the people that she worked with. And they happened to be males. Yeah. And then on top of that, so you already see all of that shit happen, right? And Hayden also had mentioned that her relationship with her mother was always about money. Her mother basically did not give a damn about her as a person whatsoever or as her daughter. And so she had said that once she got to an age,

age where she was much more mature 16 I think or 17 or whatever age it was. She had went to her mom and she said, mom, I'm going to, we're ending our business relationship. And she's like, and the reason why we're doing this is because I want you to be my mom. I don't want you to be my business partner to where you only give a shit about how much money I make you or how much money you or I make whatever, how much money I make. But she said, I'm ending this relationship as a business. partner because she's like, I hope and I pray and I think and she's like, I've thought a lot about this.

I think if we end the business relationship, you can actually be my mom, which is what I want and which is what I need. And she said from that moving on, she did not hear from her mom again after she ended that relationship. Yeah. And let me just detail that a little further. Her and her mom were actually living together at the time that her mom and her had a business relationship.

And when she told her mom that or that's from her account, her mom moved out. But her mom's account says, no, that's not really what happened. What happened is Brian came back into her life. And when he did, she shut me out and moved me out and didn't want anything to do with me when Brian came back into her life. Well, I'm just saying the way that she said it publicly in the interviews, I don't believe her story or her account. Yeah, the mom's account you mean.

And even the way her mom responded to her death, like the first initial response, which was, I think maybe it was NBC, a host. or whatever her name is, she had reached out for comment. And whatever the comment was was basically just kind of like assonine and asshole type comment. Yeah, kind of saying like she was spiraling downhill. Well, she did it to herself. Yep, she did it to herself. Sorry.

But I am requesting it in a personal investigation. Yeah, it's just the way she responded was so cold. And that's because that was the relationship they had. She didn't really give a shit about Hayden. She cared about the money that Hayden made her. She always did. That was her thing. And once Hayden kind of cut that business for,

relationship off. She no longer had use for Hayden whatsoever, you know, and that's unfortunately sad. Now, I want to play this clip because there is some new evidence that has come out. Nancy Grace is on top of it. And I don't love Nancy Grace. I'm not going to lie to you. I do. I love her because her personality is just like mine. But she always, she always finds some new information. And I think this is important because we could keep going into like leading up to the day and the hours and the days surrounding her death. But I think. there's a lot of new information that Nancy Grace covers here, which is, I think, very interesting because this is going to shed a lot of light on the investigation.

Number one, Brian Hickerson has already been investigated. It sounds like the DEA is also involved, which is the drug enforcement agency. More than likely what they're doing is looking at like, okay, well, if she died of an overdose, which is what we know about how she died so far because they called 911. They don't even know that for sure, though. Well, but the 911 call said a overdose. they when the 911 call or sorry when the EMS showed up it was they were working CPR cardiac arrest is what they called it and he gave her Narcan it gave her Narcan so all the things lead to

a potential overdose but you also have to think about what Nancy Grace says here is very interesting because although they say overdose and all this stuff what happened and what the neighbors described before this happened I think is the most interesting thing here you go tonight TV and movie star Hayden Penitier, neighbor hears crying and screaming before the star's death. This, as we learned, her HOA Home Owners Association had actually put up posters, notices to block her boyfriend from getting in the building. Why? We also learned tonight, according to reports, that the boyfriend actually paused. Haden's belongings before her death. Aidan Panettea is a child actress who went on to great success.

She detailed her substance abuse issues. Sadly, Hayden was found unresponsive on Sunday in an apartment in Greenville, South Carolina. She really told the world who she was beyond the superstar, the actress, that we all thought we loved. Thank you everyone. Incentures for cardiac arrest. This is a milwobiles. 701, Easley Ridge Road, Department of... Minute 29 responding. Easley Bridge Road, overdose.

CPR's in progress. It was yesterday afternoon, and just a bunch of commotion in the hallway. The halls are pretty hollow, so noise echoes throughout. And I had just heard about someone collapsing. And then afterwards, there was talk about cardiac arrest. I can't confirm any of that. That's just what I've heard. Um, just lots of commotion.

That from our friends at WYFF bombshells tonight in the investigation into the TV and movie star Hayden Panetteer's death. We're learning more and more. And all of it is very, very unsettling to say the least. Let me remind everyone, no one has been charged. No one has been named a person of interest tonight. Anyway, we are now learning more about. the alleged use of Narcan. When was it used? Who used it? How can you tell from looking at Hayden Panette's body? Was it actually administered? His brother gave us a statement that he texted Brian and Hayden on that

Sunday morning last Sunday and didn't get a response, went to this Airbnb where they were, and then found Brian who had just woken up and Hayden laying in a bed and Brian then administered Narcan to her. Okay, that's

our friend Harvey Levin over at TMZ and I need to hear that one more time because listen to me, I've tried a lot of cases and every fact can prove something. I heard something very disturbing. Listen to Harvey Levin.

His brother gave us a statement that he texted Brian and Hayden on that Sunday morning, last Sunday, and didn't get a response, went to this Airbnb where they were, and then found Brian, who had just woken up, and Hayden laying in a bed. And Brian then administered Narcan. My interest is always peaked, to put it mildly, when I hear somebody say, I woke up and she was dead. Yeah, absolutely. It's these details, Nancy, that are ultimately going to point us in the right direction here.

You're so right, just one detail can change everything. I listened to that statement from Harvey twice, too, because there's a lot of stuff in there, and a lot of it does. doesn't add up. Initially, we were told that she was found in a chair. Now we're being told that she was in the bed. And so I want these people to keep talking, to keep talking to TMZ, to keep talking to the media, to keep talking to the press, because they are going to reveal everything without even knowing they're doing so. Derek Smith, joining me. Hi. All right. I want to pause for a second.

I just want to give you these details because it was very muddy at first. The first accounts were that his brother came over after church. They're going to play indoor golf and go out to lunch. He comes and knocks on the door. And the first account was Hayden was laying in a chair passed out. And Brian was in the back bedroom asleep and passed out. And who said this initially? Do we know?

Was it the brother that said this? It was the muddy, like whatever. So now it's changed. And now it says he texts them. He didn't hear from them. They were supposed to play mini golf inside, whatever. He comes to the door. he knocks and he knocks very loudly and it wakes Brian out of his sleep.

So apparently now they're saying that both Brian and Hayden were on a pullout couch bed in the living room by the front door. And so when he's pounding on it, that's what woke Brian up. He answers the door. Brian's brother comes in and they realize she's unresponsive. And they start shaking her and trying to wake her up. And that's when he administered the Narcon. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the Narcan when you...

On Narcan, sorry. Well, the Narcan, though, you know, one of the things that Nancy Grace says here is that, you know, can you tell if a body has been administered Narcan? And that is a good question. I would assume, obviously, you can based on blood work, right? If they do autopsy blood work, they'll be able to see if Narcan was administered. The other question, obviously, also is, and what Nancy Grace, I think, is trying to get to here is that did Brian intentionally kill Hayden for whatever reason and then try to blame it on an overdose? That would probably be the dumbest thing unless, unless you knew that you guys did drugs the night before. Some shit went down.

You something. You choked her to death. You did something like this. And then you're like, well, I'm just going to blame it on the drugs. And so then they'll be able to blood test to see the levels of the drugs and see if it is a fatal dose of that particular drug. That's one thing. The other thing is, is whether or not she did drugs whatsoever. I would assume she probably did,

considering she was at this dude's house, they were at Airbnb. They, for whatever reason, we're on a pull-out bed and the living room, doesn't make a lot of sense. But either way,

the question here is, did he intentionally kill Hayden? Did he supply her the drugs that then led to her death, which is another big thing, because then the DEA and the, you know, prosecutors will go after him

for manslaughter or whatever. So he's in trouble potentially no matter what. Well, we have to remember that this was a number, the afternoon. It's like at 138 p.m. in the afternoon. Who does drugs in the afternoon unless it was from the night before?

And also, I think that she was on some type of medication because when they came into this Airbnb, Brian gave them all the medicines she was on. He gave them the bottles. So that tells me she was on some type of opioid. Yeah. I mean, well, and that's the thing, too. It's like, you know, at 1.30, okay, you stay up all night. Say you stay up all night, party in, you're doing drugs, you're whatever.

And we don't even for sure know that that's what happened. But if it was what happened, then obviously 1.30 is not that big of a deal. You go to sleep at 5 or 6 a.m. You're probably going to be sleeping until 1.30, 2 o'clock in the afternoon. And so it's interesting. But let's listen to some more of this. A file criminal defense attorney out of Ohio. Did you hear what shooter just said?

I mean, he's a PR guru. He's handled them all. Did he? Brittany, it goes on and on and on. They can't stop talking. They can't stop talking tonight. No charges. No P-O-I, person of interest.

But Derek, how many interviews are these people going to give and they're inconsistent? Did you hear Shooter? Shooter already pointed out that in one statement, she's dead in a chair. Another statement, I woke up. She's dead beside me. I didn't know. What? Keep talking.

Just keep talking. that camera rolling, Derek? Yeah, Nancy, I tell my clients, unfortunately sometimes after the fact that self-snitching doesn't really help them. I understand that they want to get their story out there too. They don't want to be villainized. They don't want to

look like anything is because of them. However, just like your previous guest just said, you get them talking, they're going to be inconsistent, especially if the truth is something they're trying to evade. So I generally tell my clients, you know what, let's come into the office. talk with me first before you talk to any media, any law enforcement, anything like that,

because you can maybe inadvertently say things that could wind you up into the jail cell, Nancy. As you well know. Dave, Mike, joining me, Crime Stories, investigative reporter. Dave, there are several inconsistencies, right? What's the story on the Narcan? Who, what, where, why, when? What we're actually being told is what Zach Hickerson, the brother of Brian Hickerson, Hayden's on and off again boyfriend, that the Narcan was, the Narcan was found on the bed,

and that according to Zach, his brother Brian had used the Narcan on Hayden. Now, Narcan is, this is an inhaler that's inhaled through the nostrils, Nancy. And according to Brian Hickerson's brother, Zach said that it was Brian who was administering the Narcan to Hayden. Wait, when you say boyfriend, are you talking about this boyfriend? I saw her leaving on a gurney. Brian was right next to her, and I asked her if she was okay. And it looked to me that she, you know, had suffered some type of trauma that suffered some type of trauma that, you know, looked to be battering.

and it was clear she was terrified. My biggest thing about domestic violence is I don't think it is taught early enough in life. Never in my life that I ever get taught what domestic violence was, right? Maybe if I did at an early age, maybe I wouldn't have done what I did. I mean, I went into such a dark place, man, drugs, alcohol, views, good God almighty. She's five foot two on paper,

four foot 11 in real life. I mean, come on. Terrible thing I did to her. But yeah, you know, she's a love of life, love of life. So, yeah, you never know what happens. And obviously you hear more from

Brian Hickerson here. I want to point out he does tell a story of one of the abusive nights that they had, and this was his point of view. He said, and he regretted that this even happened, and if he's even telling you this, there's much more going on. So one night, I guess they got into it, and he has his cell phone in his hand, and he's like, you've got 10 seconds to run, and I'm throwing this bitch at you. And that was his, what he said that he did, and he was going to throw the phone at her. but I think it goes like way more extensive than that. Yeah, I mean, this guy just sounds like, he's like, well, if someone had told me that not beating a woman is not as bad, I would have probably not done it. I mean, are you shitting me, dude?

Like, you haven't heard that like hitting a woman is not good. Like, I don't care who you are. I think most guys should know that, right? I mean, you shouldn't abuse a woman, right? But it's just interesting how he tries to scapegoated, right? He tries to be like, well, you know, if someone had told me, I would have probably never beat her ass or threw a, phone in her or do all these other things. But I have to say, too, in abusive relationships, it's not usually one way.

I think both partners are abusive. Well, that's not always the case, though. I mean, it can 100% be one person, you know? I mean, it can be the guy that is an asshole, abusive. The woman is afraid to leave because of how fearful she is of her life if she does leave. And, you know, like, how many situations has there been to where the woman finally does leave an abusive household. She goes and gets a restraining order.

And then what happens to her? She ends up dead. That's, like the husband will come and kill her. That is very true. I guess from my own experiences from past relationships, if anyone touched me or hit me, I was hitting back.

Yeah. That's just me, though. But that's what I'm saying. And I understand, like, that part of it. And that's why, like in, you know, for South Carolina, for example, there's various states. But like, if you, if they get called to a domestic violence and they even think

that even the woman hit back. Like they're both going to jail. Yeah. Yeah. And so, and that's not always the case in every state. Like some states, if, don't matter, the woman could have beat the shit out of the guy, but if, if the guy was involved in it, he's going to jail. And there's a lot of states that are like that.

And in some cases, when guys have fought back and it was the woman that was the aggressor, the abuser, because those relationships exist too, where the woman is the abuser and not the guy, the guy gets his ass beat constantly. Maybe there's that one time that he fight. fights back or has to defend himself, she calls the cops and then he gets arrested. Yeah. I mean, that shit happens all the time. It does.

And there's a lot of women that killed her husbands. I mean, watch the show snapped. These women kill their husbands all the time. Yeah, I know every show that's on that. 24-7. So what I'm saying is women can absolutely also be the abusers. Was Hayden an abuser in this case? I don't think so because he's never made the accusation.

Yeah. There's never been anything in police reports that we know of that she ever abused him. it was always the opposite end, so I don't think she was an abuser. I think that she was unfortunately susceptible to a piece of shit people like him because she didn't have family. She didn't have a close circle. Some, you know, she got addicted to drugs because of him. And for whatever reason felt like that this was like some kind of comfort to her.

I think she was addicted to drugs before she met him. Well, maybe. But I just, there was some type of comfort with him for whatever reason. And, you know, she said they were very happy in the beginning. and everything was great, but then alcohol made them go spiral down. Yeah. Well, yeah, and then the drugs come into play, and then that just makes everything worse.

Let's listen to some more. Is he high? That from our friends at Inside Edition and TMZ. Okay, please throw some water on me. Wait, wait me up, Jackie, because I think I passed out. I think I blacked out right there. Let me hear that first part one more time.

My biggest thing about domestic violence is I don't think it is taught early enough in life. Never in my life that I ever get taught what domestic violence was, right? Maybe if I did at an early age, maybe I wouldn't have done what I did. He says if somebody had told me about domestic violence, he's trying to distance himself from domestic violence. as if he didn't do it. But then later he goes on to admit, I think saying that, Bethany. Why do you keep telling it?

Domestic violence. That's certainly putting perfume on the pig. Right. Well, when people say domestic homicide, domestic, it sounds like a Hallmark movie. Domestic. I think the kitchen table and good smells from supper and a little family sitting down the table,

holding hands like on the Walton saying their prayer before dinner, that's not what this is. I do, like one thing you said, the distancing. If somebody told me about domestic violence, maybe domestic violence wouldn't have happened. It's not, domestic violence isn't doing it. He did it. He beat her. He heard her.

He administered opioids to her. But then later on in that interview where he's clearly high, he does say, well, maybe I did it. And did you see the look on the interviewer's face? I mean, she's just giving him the side eye there, shocked at how high he is. I was coming down in the elevator and heard those two in a screaming match in the garage. And she was just kept saying, please, Brian, please stop. I myself called the sheriff office a number of times. From our friends at Extra.

Now, I want to be very clear. No one's been charged. No one is named a person of interest to special guests joining us tonight. Eileen Reslin. She is the senior showbiz exclusives investigative reporter for Daily Mail, one of the largest websites in the world. Eileen, on the story from the very beginning. Eileen, thank you for being with us. A beating is not the COD that we know of, cause of death.

What do we know about Hayden Panetteer who's leaving behind a daughter without a mother? What do we know about the circumstances surrounding her death, Eileen? Well, I'm really glad you actually mentioned her daughter because that is actually part of the reason that Brian became involved in her life. He found her in a very vulnerable state. And now what we know about her death is, well, there's been obviously an apparent overdose is what has been reported. And there was an arcand distributed. What's very interesting, I want to highlight a report that my colleague, Dana Kennedy, did for the Daily Mail exclusively. she spoke to Leslie Vogel, Hayden Penitiers's mother, who has had conversations with the police,

who have informed her about what Ryan has also told the police about what happened before Zach got there to the apartment. Now, this is very interesting, Nancy. He claimed Brian reportedly told police that at 10.30 that Sunday before Hayden died, that she was doing her makeup. And it was seemingly like any other day they were supposed to meet up with Zach. then Zach is unable to make contact with them, and Brian steps out to go and get something. Now, what that something is is unclear.

We don't know, and it hasn't been disclosed by the police. And then Brian returns to the apartment, and he somehow, we don't even know if he interacted with him or not, presumably he did. It was closed quarters, and then they both somehow fall asleep for a nap. So there's really big gaps in that story, because when he comes back from that errand run,

what happened there? Did they have a conversation? Did they do some drugs together? That information we don't know yet. Not only that. Well, it sounds pretty obvious what he went out and did, which was probably get drugs, came back, they did drugs and, you know,

fentanyl potentially, don't know, but if she's dead now, or maybe they got something they didn't know what it was exactly. Or he thought he knew what it was, but they did drugs, but they were supposed to go out. She was doing her makeup at 10.30 in the morning? Yeah, and they were going to do drugs before they go out.

And she's dead three hours later. Yeah. And they were supposed to go play mini golf and go out to lunch with his church going brother. Why would they do drugs before they're going to go play golf and have lunch with him? Yeah. That doesn't make sense to me. So I guess I was wrong. I mean, they didn't fall asleep at five or six in the morning because if she was up at 10.30 doing her makeup to go out.

And he goes and runs an errand. Yeah. And then comes back. That's very interesting because that was my next question was going to be. you know, people are going to want to know the last time she used her phone, her cell phone data, who she talked to last, the surveillance videos outside the Airbnb. When Zach came and left, when Brian. Well, the other question is, why the hell they have an Airbnb if he's from Greenville?

Like, maybe he just don't have a house in Greenville because, I mean, he's, I guess he stays in. He lives in L.A., but he's from Green Bowl. Oh, I got you. So I'm sure they don't want to stay with his parents. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that makes sense. Yeah. But you would want to know, like, all the surveillance videos, who went where, when was the last time she was seen?

I mean, all those questions start rising. Yeah. It is interesting. Let's listen to a little more of this. It's almost over. Maroni, while being a medical examiner, the chief medical examiner, puts his money where his mouth is and created a mobile opioid treatment facility. Dr. William Maroney, you have theories on the case tonight. It's not a case. It is the death of a beautiful young movie and TV star leaving behind a daughter without a mother. What is your analysis so far? It's quite clear. It follows the time path of heroin, fentanyl, or opiate use. You're up early. You're getting ready. And then you take a nap. No, that's full.

falling out. They probably used together and she might have got more than him and he woke up and she didn't. That happens all the time. It sounds like an opiate use. Somebody with substance use disorder and a partner follow this timeline. He's bigger. Whatever they snort, whatever they smoke, whatever they inject. They said there was no trauma after the autopsy. but the timeline fits opiate use and then why else do you have this? Why do you have this if that's not an opiate use? Narcan is only going to work when you're around opiates. If you're using opiates, this is what saves your life if something goes wrong.

How is Narcan supposed to work? It did not work. It did not save Hayden Pantheir's life. How is it supposed to work? You firmly believe it was administered after she, she's dead. Well, that's... Yes. I might as well administer it to that phone right there. Yeah, it would be the same thing.

Here's what you have to do. Narcan works all the time, but you have to get it in your nose and it gets absorbed into your blood and then it goes to your brain and it tells the brain, you stop breathing. Please start breathing. You have to go in here to start breathing. It puts the heroin off. It puts the fentanyl off. It puts the oxicotin off.

It pushes it off. That's how it works. And then the brain sends signals to start breathing again. So let me understand. You're stating that you believe the Narcan was administered after she's dead. Now, okay, hold on. Rob Sheeter joining me, a PR guru, who, is familiar with Hayden Panetteer, author of new book, Queen Elizabeth 3, the New American House of Windsor.

Shooter. You heard Eileen Reslin from the Daily Mail describe inconsistencies in the various statements. We already know that in one story, she was dead in a chair. And another story, he wakes up, oops, she's dead. I have no idea. I'm just sleeping next to a corpse. I don't know what happened. Can I tell you that's not that uncommon that I hear that? There are many inconsistencies. What about the inconsistency regarding the brother, her doing her makeup at 1030? The boyfriend leaves. Did he leave to get Narcan then?

Was she already dead? What more can you tell me, Shooter? Yeah, these inconsistencies are everything, Nancy. And as long as they keep talking, we're going to. get more. Why would you go out and get Narcan if you didn't need it in the moment? Was this preventative? Were they planning to do drugs that day or three of them or two of them? And that's why they wanted the Narcan. There's a ton of questions. But what I do know is that the cameras have been seized around that apartment complex. So sources are telling me that the police have taken

all that footage. So they'll be able to see exactly who left, what time they left, what time they returned. And if they did go to a pharmacy, if they did go to a CVS to pick up Narcan, that will be on the cameras too. And so they can say whatever they want at the moment, let them keep saying it. The evidence is going to tell us what really happened.

And that evidence is going to be cameras. It's going to be cell phones. It's going to be electronic communications. I'm told that the police know a lot more than we do. And they're just not. saying at the moment that's not that unusual nancy what people say to the press is often very different than what they say to the police the police already have a very good idea what happened inside that apart so there to go and and one thing i want to say too is obviously i was thinking the whole

time i was like well if you give narcan to someone that's dead it's not going to work because they actually have to inhale it through and and your blood blood has to be pumping right for to get into your bloodstream into your brain so you know if if she was getting ready around 1030 he can't he leaves the house that time and she ends up dead about 1.30, she probably died way sooner than that. But if you have a fatal overdose from fentanyl, it's not going to happen in three hours from now. It'll happen within 30 to 45 minutes. Right. As your body keeps going down and down.

And by the way, most people don't understand how fentanyl kills you. It literally does just shut off your brain that tells you to breathe. And so before fentanyl existed, there were a lot of teenagers, a lot of kids. I knew a lot of kids growing up in high school and just people that partied too hard, they would get shit-faced drunk at parties. They would then take Xanax, Xanax bars, opioids basically. Because that like sobers you up or something. No, no, no.

It does the opposite. It increases your completely screwed up. Now, so not only are you taking a Xanax bar, which already screws you up as it is, but if you take that with a lot of alcohol, it basically just does the exact same thing fentanyl does to where it shuts down your brain saying, hey, breathe. breathe. And then once your body shuts, once your brain shuts down with those everyday motor sensors that we take for granted, which is like breathing, moving, thinking, just, but at the very

least, breathing when you're asleep. Right. You know, fentanyl and alcohol and opioids can do that. Well, I know for a 99% for sure, I am for sure on this that she already had Narcan with her because I watched interviews and I've seen some excerpts from her book. where it said that she always carried it with her just in case she needed it. Yeah. No, that makes sense.

And why would he go out at 10.30 to get Narcan just in case she overdosed? That makes no sense. Yeah, it's sad. And, you know, she was, like I said, she was pretty troubled. And as far as just the things that she had went through in her life. And she, this is one of the things she said on the Jay Shetty podcast, which made me think a lot about. you know, because like there's definitely conspiracies going around saying someone killed her because she was about to expose Hollywood and all this stuff. I at least want to play a clip of why people say this.

And it starts by the way with with who is Baldwin, not Stephen Baldwin. Alec. It's Justin Bieber's wife's dad. That's Stephen. Stephen. Yeah, anyways, it starts with this clip of one of the things that he had posted on Instagram like a couple years ago. just a weird a weird message right he says a lot of weird subliminal messages but i think it's because he knows all this shit in hollywood but he don't want to necessarily say it because he don't want to

die so it plays this clip and then it talks and then it shows what hayden said one of the things she said on the podcast listen you write about a moment in your career where a friend of yours takes you onto a boat you're led to a room which has an a man in it and then basically told to perform social acts and, you know. Oh, yeah. Perspective completely shifted and I realized that I was in danger, but by the time I'd realized I was in danger, I was quite literally out to see. And it was, it was, I mean, that moment shook me and was shocking.

And I was quite literally put, walked down. and I had been having a great time. There was no hints of anything like that happening. So it took me, I was shocked. It took me by surprise. And it was somebody led by somebody that I had grown to trust and see as a protector and somebody who had my back and to be walked down the stairs.

And it was like a surprise presented as though it was like a surprise. presented as though it was like a surprise. And it was this very small room. And she physically put me in the bed next to this undressed man who was very famous and had his hands like this. Like this was just, you know, an average day for him. This is something that happens all the time. And I waited for her to leave. And I mean that that line. and me that fire in me that my hair stood on and I became ferocious. I was like, this is not happening. But I had nowhere to hide.

And I bolted and I hid wherever I could think of to hide on a boat. On a boat. There was no jumping off and swimming away and there was nobody who was going to. I realized that there was nobody who was going to be empathetic to. my situation that this was nothing new to them. So there you go. That was what Hayden had to say about her experience. And this is, I think, what Alec Baldwin has to say here.

It does play a short clip. I need to make sure this is actually, I'm going to back it up just for a second because Alec Baldwin starts right after this. Listen. It is all of them. All of them. And not one will be able to escape.

And so what he's saying? And Alec Baldwin, or not Alec, but Stephen Baldwin over the past two or three years has been making these subliminal messages like this. And he's in some cases pointing to very famous people, the people that are involved with other celebrities. As you heard Hayden here, she's on a freaking yacht, basically. This woman that she trusted, like with everything that I guess had kind of probably groomed her for a very long time. Yeah, exactly. It's always a woman. And she was 18 at the time.

I mean, she was not 36. She was 18 at the time when she was on this boat with this famous person. And he was not completely undressed, but he had his pants undone and he had his genitals exposed to her laying in the bed. That's undressed enough. Yeah. And she, at the first, she didn't know what to do or what to expect. So she said she got in the bed with him for a minute because she was like, oh, my God,

what's going on? And I think that happens to a lot of girl victims is when you're shoved into. who those type of experiences and you're just like shocked at first. You're like, oh, okay, I guess I'm supposed to lay down. What am I supposed to do? You just don't know what to do. So she lays down in the bed with him. And then when she says she got fierce and she was like, uh-uh, hell no, this is not

freaking happening to me. And that's when she got out of that bed and ran around that boat and found a place to hide because nobody was going to protect her on that boat because that's what goes on in Hollywood and around the world. with sex trafficking of women. Well, you have to think, too, that, you know, something your mom has said is something that other actresses have said in the past is that, number one, you know, there are ways that you get famous in Hollywood.

Number one, like, how is, how is, what is the fastest way up in Hollywood? Well, it's to have sex with someone. With the director. To have oral sex with someone, whatever the case may be, those are very quick ways. And unfortunately, the younger you are that doesn't necessarily change. They will groom you a lot of times managers. agents, whoever, are all connected with these film studios, you name it. And the film studios will hire, they will only work with certain managers or agents that

will make sure that they kind of groom those people or at least initiate these types of encounters to where it is pedophilia. And that's exactly what, you know, Gislane Maxwell did for Epstein. And all of that shit also happens in Hollywood. I can't even probably tell you how many very similar Gislein Maxwells are in Hollywood that we've never heard of yet. Oh, exactly. And you think about who Stephen Baldwin is.

I mean, he is the father-in-law to Justin Bieber. You think about P. Diddy. You think about all the things in the ways he was groomed. And you think about all these cryptic messages that are going out. I'm sure he knows Justin's story way better than any of us do. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, Justin's always, you know, with the P. Diddy thing.

We talked a lot about that as far as, you know, P. Diddy having a weekend with Justin and just a lot of weird shit. And then if you look back on like who P. Diddy actually was and the shit he did. and the parties and all that stuff and then hanging out with Justin. And yeah, there's been allegations, obviously, that Justin Bieber was raped or, you know, various things. And, you know, Justin Bieber obviously, as far as mentally goes over the years, has been screwed up. And it seems like he was getting more screwed up,

especially as he was going through his teenage years. And, you know, nowadays, you know, it seems like he just smokes weed pretty much 24-7, which, you know, I guess if you have a history. Memories. Yeah, if you have a history of that. then that makes sense. And you think about all of his music videos that he came out with. You know, at the time, we didn't really think about what they meant.

But what did they mean to him? Like the Yum Yum video, for example. I know exactly what that video meant now. Well, and the thing about this Hayden situation in relation to Justin or whoever else, a lot of people were just questioning, does this have to do with the sex trafficking? Was she going to expose more? And, you know, although that's a good conspiracy. obviously because of the fact that she had experiences with that and she had threatened or has threatened, especially over the past six months that she was going to release more information and all these things.

I mean, maybe, but the reality is that sounds like her boyfriend was a drug addict. It sounds like he was a supplier to her. Sounds like he got her high. I don't know if he's a supplier to her. She could have been getting. When she's here. But she could have been getting legal medication that fucked her up. Yeah, but I doubt that.

I think this was fentanyl or some type of street drug. You don't just die from, I mean, yeah, I guess you could. You can overdose from legal medicine. Of course you can, but I just don't think that's the case. I think likely you just don't hardly hear of overdoses anymore on Xanax's that much or stuff like that. You still do. If you're drinking and taking them. But she's not drinking at 1030 in the morning when they're getting ready to leave.

She could have been having a momosa. Maybe. And why did they give them prescriptions to the people when they came to try to resuscary? necessitate her. Well, here's the other question, and I'm not a drug expert or an expert on this necessarily. I think that, like, toxicology reports will be able to decipher whether or not, well, I'm saying a toxicology report will be able to decipher whether it was fentanyl versus Xanax versus blah, blah, blah.

I mean, yes, they are all opioids, but there are different chemical compounds and building blocks of each of those things. Fentanyl, Xanax, you name it. And if they're legal or illegal, because a lot of the illegal stuff, but they're illegal. are like way more deadly than the prescribed Yeah, I mean, it's just higher concentrations. People are literally making it. I mean, it's not like made in a lab necessarily.

You know, that shit. And then the other part of it too is, you know, as her boyfriend explained how small Hayden was. And so say this boyfriend goes out, he gets fentanyl. They take equal amounts. Well, if they take equal amounts, he breaks her off the same amount he's going to take. And she's four foot 11, as he says, five foot two on paper. But, you know, he's probably six foot.

six one I think is kind of the way I've seen him. There's a huge difference, especially if you're taking fentanyl from a six foot dude and a five foot two girl. And then not only that, you know, just because you have the same maybe like blocker or gram of fentanyl doesn't mean one half of the gram is the same potency as the other, you know?

And so it could, you know, you could have gave her the most potent part of that. And the reality of it is, is unfortunately, this shit happens all the time. Drugs kill the shit out of people nowadays. And it still blows my mind that people do street drugs, especially stuff like fentanyl, like where you know this shit can kill the hell out of you. I mean, like, officers have overdoses on the side of roads because they smell the dust of

fentanyl. Yeah, or just like accidentally touch it or something. Yes. I mean, and that's how dangerous this shit is. And people do this. I mean, they do it on purpose. Yeah. And I've brought up my best friend a couple times on this podcast.

And basically she's homeless now and she's homeless because she's a drug addict. But there's a few times where she said that she had some really bad trips and it makes them sleep for like two days in row. Yeah, but I'm just, I don't even know how the hell she hasn't died yet. I mean, I don't, I mean, especially if she's doing or touching fentanyl and shit down there like that, I don't know how she hasn't. She's a one lucky girl is all I got to sing. Yeah, it's, it's pretty insane. But the Hayden situation is just, it's sad, right? It's sad because she was so beautiful.

She seemed like she had a good heart. She seemed like she had a good head on her shoulders. And unfortunately, you look at girls like that and you're like, damn, if only you would have not been with that freaking asshole, like that piece of shit. I don't know if necessarily it was him or the direction she was going in her life. But he contributed, obviously. And by the way, I'm not saying it is all his fault either, right? Because even, first of all, we don't know for sure that he got her.

anything. We don't know that, right? We don't know that he's the one that got her to drugs. Who knows? Maybe it was her that brought the fentanyl to him. Yeah. And this is what does not add up to me. And she's just on this book tour about, you know, addiction and getting help and getting out of it in May. In May, she's going around and she's sharing her life with everyone talking about the abusive relationship. And then now at the beginning of August, she is back on the drugs. She's back on the office. alcohol and she's back with the abusive boyfriend and does not tell anyone that's close to her. Yeah. And as a matter of fact, at the time, there were reports that people were going to try to have an

intervention for her, but that never happened. Like right after the book came out. Well, that wasn't very long ago. Yeah. So that means that obviously she was still actively on drugs and they knew it. So she must have been on drugs even when she was promoting her book or shortly after. Yeah, it just sucks because like sometimes, you know, I mean, and look, I've been, I will promise you that I've been a culprit of abusing alcohol more so because of shit this happened

in my past, you know, and I think honestly, like, that's, that's the main reason I have overdrink in my life at times is because of the fact of shit this happened in my past, you know, and it's just like, you want to drink to not think about it. And there's, my mind's one of those minds is like, you know, when you, when you're completely sober and you're, you're not drinking, you're not doing, which I've never done like pills or drugs or anything, really. But I'm saying like drinking wise, though, like if you're completely sober, you're laying in a bed at night, it's 11.30, you're not sleeping 12.30, 1 o'clock. You know, a lot of people can just get on their phones and chill and think about whatever. It's not me.

My brain goes, my brain goes in bad places. It's not even just that it won't shit off. It's just my brain just does not like it just thinks negatively. It thinks about bad shit. It thinks about depressing stuff. And so it's not always good thoughts when I am completely sober. And I've learned to deal with those, like, especially over the past couple years more than I ever have. But in the past, in the past, it was worse.

I mean, it really was. I mean, you know, back in a day, it was just like if I was, if I was not drinking a little bit at night at least to just chill me out, my brain just went in bad places. Yeah. Well, and I think a lot of it has to do with hereditary too, like hereditary conditions. I think that if your parents or your grandparents were addicted to alcohol or drugs, that you have more of a chance to being like that. Yeah, my dad definitely was and his dad was and all of that. But yeah, and, you know, I've talked about this on the podcast about my childhood too.

I started drinking when I was probably 13. Yeah, I remember the first time I ever accidentally got drunk. It was during a, Chris, you're going to love this, a Jewish celebration. and I drank some Jewish wine and I was fucked up. Babe, you said bad one. It was like grape juice. It tasted like it was, it tasted so good. And I was like, I was looking around and almost the room was spinning around me.

And we have all these guests at our houses. This is this big Jewish celebration. And my parents let me have a little bit of the Jewish wine. Damn. Yeah. I used to, I used to steal my wine or still my mom's wine every once in a while. but I mean, it's not like back then I was drinking, like getting drunk all the time and then that shit. I was just like, you know, stealing every once in a while.

And, you know, that's kind of like in your curious moments, which I don't recommend that for anybody, by the way, especially young kids that are listening for some reason. I would never recommend. Like, if you could not get involved in shit like that when you're young, don't because it's just way easier. Yeah. And let me ask you a question about that. I know we're getting sidetrack, but to you, would it be more responsible to a parent knowing. that your kid is going out and getting drunk and doing stuff? No, because I already know what you're going to ask.

Or let them be safe at home. Now, I already know what you're going to ask, but I would rather just not let them do it, period. Well, how are you going to prevent it? Well, you're not going to prevent it by them going out, but also by letting them do it at home is encouraging it. So, you know, I mean, the number one thing is, I guess, is you got to, I don't know,

I guess you could just be an alcoholic and show them what you don't want to be. I don't know. that's not true but what I'm saying is like you know and but the weird thing is that's usually not how it happens because if you have a parent in the childhood uh that was an alcoholic typically and I don't think it's all just hereditary in their genes I think it has to do with like a mental uh you see it all the time for some reason you end up doing it you know and I don't understand that because especially if you see your childhood bad because of alcohol and shit and then you end up being the same like you end up drinking doing this using the same thing as your parents

using the same thing that your dad did that was an asshole or that you hate it and despise during that time. It's like, why are you doing it then? And there are people for sure out there that like, they're like, I'm not drinking because my family was alcoholics and great because that's literally the way. That's what you should do. Yes. Because likely you're going to be more susceptible to being an asshole, to getting in and bullshit, to doing things you absolutely would never do if you had not been drinking because you already are susceptible to it. you already see a prime example in your blood, which is your dad or your mom,

that did crazy and dumb shit. And so do you think for some reason that you're just going to be a better alcoholic than they were? No, because you're probably going to be worse because not only you have bad memories of that shit, and it's just going to make everything worse. And so that's what I'm saying. Like for kids out there, like,

but most kids aren't mature enough to understand. They're like, okay, so my families are alcoholics or someone in my family's alcoholics. And so maybe I shouldn't drink, especially when they're around their buddy, and their buddies are drinking and they're like, well, I got to drink. And it's like, well, my parents already drink who gives a shit, but they don't realize. But that does bring in like peer pressure too when you're out at parties, especially when you're

going into high school and you want to fit in and be cool. Everybody's drinking and you're going to drink a Coke. Like, who does that? Because you don't feel like you fit in. The problem I think with substance abuse in general is that substance abuse is unfortunately, and this is just the truth, but substance abuse is. is a quick fix to pain. And it's very similar to if you have a backache or a,

or you have a muscle ache or whatever. And, and you're, you're going to take ibuprofen. Mm-hmm. It's a quick fix for that, for that headache or that pain. And most people,

you know, quickly go to Ingalls or their local grocery or wherever and they get Tylenol or ibuprofen for a pain. And so, um, what do people use to cure mental pain and you, the pain in your heart, the pain in your soul?

That is spirits. That is drugs. That's what they use. Tylenol and ibuprofen don't get rid of the mental anguish that you suffer as you grow up and as you get older. And the other option is SSRIs. And we see how that shit's been going for people. I know. It's not going good.

But also, like sometimes, like I was saying before, when you're first going to high school, like parties and having fun, you don't want to look like the weird person and not drink. You want to be social. And too, I think that alcohol does make you. you not refrain from what you would normally do? You know what I'm saying? It brings you your personality out more. Like you're not going to refrain from what you would normally say. So you're basically encouraging drinking and I'm trying to discourage drinking.

Well, I'm just saying it does make you braver and you say things that you probably wouldn't say when you're sober. Yeah. But all I'm saying is like if you're responsible to drink and older and an adult, absolutely, you know, do whatever you want to do. I just, I guess what I'm saying is, especially as a kid, like if you have. the choice of drinking and not drinking, not drinking is going to better your outcome in life in nine times out of 10 circumstances.

And that's just something you don't think about when you're a kid. But those decisions you make when you're in high school can affect your entire life. Because you don't know how addictive your personality is going to be and how that one feeling of hey, this actually helped me feel better. How that's going to, that is

what actually becomes the addiction. It's not even necessarily the alcohol as the feeling. It is the loss of pain. it escapes you, that feeling you can get addicted to for the rest of your life. Or it might be a loss of filter. But interesting enough, Chad, I don't know if you realize this, but teenagers and young adults now today drink less than they did 10 years ago. Well, that's why they're trying to ban all the CBD or not CBD, but the, you know, the Delta 8, Delta 9. It's like popping up in all the vape stores.

All the vape stores basically have legal weed now, even though it's not supposedly technically. weed is THCA, which is exactly the same thing as weed. It's just, it's not activated. Who's promoting what now? No, but no, but what I'm saying is that the reason why kids are not drinking as much is because they have more access to weed now across America. And so which is exactly why the Trump administration is banning all of this shit that you can find in vape stores because big alcohol is coming to the Trump administration and

saying we are losing our ass on alcohol. You've got to get these kids drinking again. Right. Get them drinking and getting smoking. Yeah. No, no, not smoking. They don't want them to smoke. I'm talking about smoking cigarettes.

They don't want them to have vapes either. Oh, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, big tobacco and big alcohol. I mean, that's exactly why they're banning all of the shit come November, by the way. Anything you can find in a vape store that has anything to do with weed or connected weed whatsoever, it's all banned. And that's all because of big alcohol. You look at the numbers over the past two years since all this stuff has exploded.

Alcohol numbers have drastically went down. All of these things have drastically went up. Like, you know, like all of these THC drinks that you can buy. at various places now. And kids are doing that shit now. And I say kids, but I'm saying just the younger drinking crowd, even beyond kids, like the kids that used to when you're 16, 17 high school parties, a lot of these kids are doing THC drinks now instead of drinking beer or drinking liquor, right?

I just wonder how different the parties are now after COVID versus before. And even before that, because I think how are teenagers different from social media and internet now compared to in the past. They're probably just sitting in the same house maybe at the very least texting each other. Yeah, because they don't even have relationships anymore. They don't talk to each other. Everything's online. I don't think there are a lot of parties like there used to be when I was growing up though. You just don't hear about them that much anymore. And like back when I was growing up, man, like that was the thing. Where was the party Friday and Saturday night? And usually it was where I was at because I was usually thrown him on a mountain somewhere. Well, I was throwing up in my house.

Yeah. We used to do the parties in the mountain. And everyone would find out we'd all go to the local 7-Eleven and everybody would gather. And that's when you would find out where all the parties are. Yeah. Yeah. We used to have a lot of parties back in the day. And they were fun, man.

They were just fun times. I mean, it wasn't, we weren't, we didn't have parties where people were doing drugs on this shit. We were just having parties where people were hanging out. Yeah, we might have drinks some beers, play some beer pong. You know, did stuff like that. But it was just, you know, I guess you can say for the most part, wholesome fun, you know. Yeah. But kids don't socialize like that anymore.

No, not really. Not a lot of them. Unless you're tied to some close-knit group, like a football team or, you know, something like that. Maybe they do. But it's so much different nowadays. It's very strange how times have changed. But that's going to do it for this episode, guys. We, we, I don't necessarily believe necessarily, I've said necessarily a lot.

And I just said it again. But the conspiracy around Hayden, you know, was she killed because of, you know, her allegations on this, the, the, the sex trafficking, the pedophilia. That's to be determined. Likely not. It sounds like this is a drug incident, a drug death connected to Brian, but was Brian even the one that supplied her to drugs? We don't even know that, right?

So we can't just say it's Brian's fault. We have no idea. Did Brian sound like a crackhead on the video? Absolutely. Sound like he was high then, which is surprising that he would do a TMZ video, but I guess if you're high and TMZ reaches out to you're like, yeah, why not? Yeah, I don't care. That's like when I post Facebook post.

when I don't want to. Oh, yeah. Like at 1 o'clock in the morning. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of like that. But anyways, but guys, that's going to do it for us. Go check out my song. It is in the description below wherever you're listening.

Go check it out. Go listen to it on Spotify because we need those numbers to go up on this song. And I think my next song that we're releasing is even better than this one. But this song is good. I like it. It has some memory to it. Yeah. And two, if you guys are really into your crime,

I do have a new podcast. It's called Troubling Truths. Go look us up on Spotify. We're getting better each episode. Yeah, go look. And Sherry's doing this. Well, Sherry, Pauline and Bena, but Sherry's doing all the editing and all the,

like the technical side of this thing. So, you know, give her some support over there on Trouble and Truths. Yeah, my editing is not as great as Chad's. But Chad doesn't even edit that much. I don't really edit that much. Yeah,

but I'm having to edit like every like 30 seconds of ours. I don't, I don't really edit anything. thing anymore. I mean, unless it's like something crazy or like I completely screw up a video or an audio or whatever, but I don't really edit much. I used to, I used to care more. You know, I'd be like, well, I've said, um, too much in this episode. I'm like, nah, I don't even do that anymore. I don't care. I come here to talk to you guys. You guys are a family. If you like me, awesome. If you like Sherry, awesome. If you don't, then you know what? You don't got to listen to us. That's right.

All right, guys. Well, that's going to do it. The name of this song we're going to close with is Anniece, free me and until next time we love you guys we will not be as long we promise on this next go around and by the way Sherry did you change the audio output on this somehow because you know what you have made me learn

on my own what to do so yeah I have messed with all those buttons over there and I don't know what the heck I did so now we don't actually have a song because Sherry done something to the song to outplay that's awesome sorry just do that do your song

wait hold on i'm trying to see if any of these work but they don't for some reason all i did was those buttons right there chad that's it oh my god well i don't want to play my whole song because then they're not going to go and play your song no that's okay we will uh guys you gotta you gotta go to spotify listen to my song but we will play something let me just find a song because now i sherry screwed up all of our shit basically sorry um she screwed up all over stuff that tells you how much help i'm beginning.

No. You said you wanted to do this by yourself. So there you go. All right. So we will play it out with, I guess, what will be will be by the Green. It's a reggae song. And so that's what you guys are going to listen to at the end of this. Guys, until next time, we love you all very much.

Peace out. Peace out. Yeah. Green common in not too day version.