Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Hollow Earth Conspiracy Podcasts | With Rodney M Cluff

Episode Date: November 21, 2021

Is there more to our earth than what is on the surface? Is there a possibility that the earth is hollow and is home to an advanced civilization. On tonights Hollow Earth Conspiracy Podcasts, we dive deep into the possibility of life below the surface.

What is Earth and why do we only ever think about the Earth's surface when we think of our planet? What if there was something more to Earth thousands of miles beneath our feet? There is so much we don't know about this planet. For example, the ocean. Did you know our oceans cover more than 70% of the Earth's surface and that 94% of Earth's living species exist within our oceans? According to the ocean service, man has explored less than 5% of the Earth's oceans. As researchers strive to discover more, we're continually getting to know our water better. In addition to how little we know about this planet, mostly covered by water,

Earth's longest chain of mountains, the mid-ocean ridge, is almost entirely beneath the ocean, stretching across a distance of 37,000 miles. It's said that this mountain chain is less explored than the surface of Venus or Mars. According to the World Register of Marine Species, there are now 240,470,000 accepted species within these massive bodies of water. But this is believed to be just a small proportion of the species that exist, with new marine life being discovered every single day. So if we know so little about the surface of our planet,

it's no wonder we don't know much about what's at the center of our Earth, or do we? On today's episode, we discussed the possibility of a hollow Earth, with hollow earth expert Rodney M. Clough. Could our planet be filled with intelligent life that may be far older than man? Could this be where UFOs come from? On this episode of Investigate Earth Podcast. Hello and welcome to Investigate Earth Podcast. I'm your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry.

I'm not saying it this time. Just say to say hello, that's all you're going to do. Hello. Oh, goodness. Anyways, guys, thank you guys for joining us. It is November to 20th, 2021. We are getting very close to Thanksgiving here in the United States. I'm not sure what all of you guys celebrate or observe across the world.

But for us, Thanksgiving is coming very, very soon, and we're going to be eating a lot of amazing food. And I can't wait for that. Why is it going to be amazing? Because you're cooking it. And your mom. Yeah, and mom. Yeah. So we're great amazing cooks.

For sure. So if anyone needs Thanksgiving, come on over. Yeah. Come on over. However you got to get here. We'll have plenty of food. But guys, welcome to the podcast. This is going to be a really, really interesting episode.

I'm actually been really excited about this one. I even did an intro for it because I thought that, you know, this is something that, you know, I've heard about the hollow earth theory. And, you know, as much as we've talked about aliens and extraterrestrials on this podcast, which we've done a ton. And by the way, it is my personal favorite, absolute favorite thing we talk about is extraterrestrial life, advanced life form, so on and so forth. We've talked to everything from dimensional beings, things that are crossing dimensions,

which is a very strong possibility as well, to just, you know, actual aliens that are in physical form that just are so far advanced, they are able to travel light years from their planets all across the galaxy to Earth. And some of them probably stayed here. Now, the one interesting thing about this whole concept, and this is something we've talked about quite often and it's something that we have heavily discussed is if you guys remember the videos that came out especially last year the year before but especially last year it was a video from i believe a battleship in the united states military where it showed a flying saucer or flying

saucer looking object that basically transversed between uh air and water and it it did it flawlessly They have it on a camera. It shows it splashing down. The battleship then went on to find where this object actually splashed down that they had on their Fleer cameras on the battleship. And when they got there, they sent out not only helicopters, but submarines and everything else. They could find absolutely no evidence of a may crash. Yeah, crazy. And so one of the things that Jeremy Corbell talks about, and he's talked about very heavily, and Jeremy Corbell is I definitely admire his work.

he's done a lot of awesome stuff in the field of, you know, extraterrestrial alien and UFOs. He's actually been one of the main people that's getting a lot of these videos released to the media. But Jeremy Corbella talked about, and it kind of goes back to Bob Lazar's theory. Bob Lazar, for those of you do not know, Bob Lazar worked at Area 51 or S4, which is, you know, many people believe is where our government at least had housed or worked on possible alien spacecraft, including the possible spacecraft that crashed in Roswell, which I mean, Roswell is one of those things.

It's like, it's almost like if you actually look into it, everyone should believe it, you know. And so for this example, you know, the big thing about Area 51 and Bob Lazarus, he explained how these things worked and moved. And this is keeping in mind back in the 80s, you know, this is when he came forward. He explained that these crafts,

he believed were able to manipulate gravity, meaning they were able to, you know, basically build their own gravitational field around the craft itself. And this is how they moved. They didn't need propulsion by any means as far as, you know, a jet power, fuel, or anything else. They actually used the gravity field around them. That was created by some kind of generator system on their craft.

And it enabled them to basically move at light speeds through gravity. And that would also possibly explain how they move through space so fast and so on and so forth. Because if you can maintain gravity in a craft, you don't deal with G forces. You don't deal with a lot of the things

that we deal with with airplanes. But it also explains how a craft can go from air to water without any... Like, for example, if you had an airplane that was flying, and you went in the, ocean, you're going to crash. It's going to break up because it's going to be an impact. Yeah,

it would be a total impact. And so if you have a gravity field, though, keep in mind, if, so say you have an airplane that has a gravity field around it, the airplane could just go right down in the ocean because the gravity field, the water is going to move around it. And you see that in a lot of the evidence that they, you know, like the video evidence that they show, it almost looks like a tornado in the water right before the craft goes in, like it's moving the water out of the way to go in kind of. Exactly. So the whole ocean thing is, you know, if you guys listen to the intro, we really only know 5% of our oceans. And not only that, I didn't even realize this until researching, but 95% of all living things on this earth is in the ocean. 95%. And by the way, from what we're, from what we think, we only know 2 to 5% of what is in the ocean.

2 to 5% that's it And most people think it's probably around 2% Right and I think too And that's 240,000 species The ocean is so deep And it's so deep and so vast Yeah, it's just like the intro The biggest mountain range on the entire earth

Is 30 something 37,000 miles I mean do you realize how freaking far it is I mean it goes around pretty much the whole earth And it's a mountain range So what we're going to be talking about tonight With Rodney Clough Rodney Clough is an expert in the hollow earth field. He does a lot of stuff as far as, he's done a lot of stuff as far scientific research.

He's been interested in this ever since he was a teenager. He knows a ton about this, way more than we know about it. But before we bring Rodney on, we're just going to explain kind of the theory of hollow earth and what people believe it to be. So basically, the hollow earth is a concept proposing that the planet is entirely hollow or contains a substantial interior space. Notably suggested by Edmund Halley in the late 17th century, the notion was disproved supposedly, first tenderly by Pierre Bergour in 1740,

then they said that Charles Hutton used some experiment around 774, which he tried to disprove the theory as well. It was, even though they tried to disprove this by two people back in the 1700s, the mid-19th century, there were many people came to defend the theory, such as John Cleves, Jeremiah Reynolds, and many other scientists back in a day. So the concept of the hollow earth still recurs throughout today. And actually, it is gaining more and more traction among, you know, just not, I mean, the thing is, it's not just people that are talking about conspiracy theories. There are a lot of scientists that have got behind this.

there are stories about this from pilots, from someone that literally flew up to the North Pole to try to figure out if this thing was true. This was back in a day, kind of when, I mean, really back in a day, when planes kind of first came around. You're talking about when they flew to see if it was a flat earth?

No. No, I'm talking about hollow earth. No, this pilot, and Rodney probably knows about this better than I do, but a pilot flew up to the North Pole to see if they could find a hole. or an opening. Gotcha.

And so that's basically where we're at with the hollow earth. Now, the thing about the hollow earth and what I go back to is, you know, there's been so many UFO sightings, you know, throughout our time. I mean, if you even watch the show ancient aliens and just the whole concept of ancient aliens, people believe that, you know, the pyramids were created by alien or advanced life forms. I would say 75 to 80% of our UFO sightings are typically above the water. I mean, like our true, substantiated, you know, the most, I guess, BS-proof sightings in video coming from mostly military are usually over water. And so if you go, I actually went the other day and I looked up the cities across America, especially,

but across America, the top cities that saw UFOs. You know, I think number two was Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Number three or four is North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. So it's Myrtle Beach and North Myrtle Beach. Had the most sightings around the, like you said, the water. Yeah, and it's not just there. You know, you got towns on the West Coast. You have, you know, then you want to go globally.

There's a lot of towns on the coast of Mexico, and you have people that have talked about this in South America coast towns. coastal towns. You have people in South Africa. You have people all around different water or different oceans that have seen UFOs. And they have a much greater chance of seeing UFOs. Now, I know that so many people, they want to travel to New Mexico and Arizona and all those places. Yeah, that's what it's getting ready to say.

There's no oceans there. No, there's not. You know, there's really not. But there are military bases there. And there are things that, you know, if we have technology or even UFO or even, you know, flying saucers. or whatever you want to call them, you know, that's probably why you're going to see more of it out there. But I think the true sightings are over oceans. Yeah.

And I think over a military basis, too, is like nuclear, anything nuclear or, you know, nuclear plants or anything, I think something, there's some kind of gravitational something, having to do with nuclear energy. I don't know that there's a way that we can see. I don't know. Well, I think it is. Well, yeah, the nuclear. we've had a ton of sightings over our nuclear facilities, where we house nuclear weapons, all of these things. And, you know what, actually, it's kind of funny

because now that we think about this, we've always kind of wondered, and especially with the topics, night, hollow earth, we've always wondered why UFOs, which, by the way, there's been a ton of reports from military, the top brass in the military, people that whistleblowers that come out and said, look, we've had UFOs over our nuclear bases.

You know, there's no question about it. There's videos of this. There's actual reports of this and CIA and classified, that's now declassified documents. Part of it. Everybody has always wondered, well, why would UFOs give a shit about our nuclear warheads? And the thing is, is that if they live somewhere on another planet, that's what I, you know, people are like, well, why would they care about it? Because it never made sense to me when people say, well, they just don't want to blow in the Earth up because it's going to affect them. It ain't going to affect them if we blow this whole damn Earth up.

But if they are in the Earth, then it does affect them. Could be. See what I'm saying? Yeah. Seriously. So that makes a little more sense. Yeah. Maybe that's why they're so into like, especially Air Force bases.

You know, we see a lot of reports around Air Force bases. And I can remember reading stuff about Air Force bases when everything was cut off, when all the UFOs were around them and, you know, just everything was shut off. So I thought that was pretty crazy too. I mean, that happens a lot. More than, I mean, and there's evidence. And like you said, there's classified, declassified articles, documents that prove this where they had documented these things. Yeah, you're exactly right.

It's a weird, it's a weird concept, the whole UFO thing. But like I said, the more I just thought about this, why are they concerned about, you know, nuclear warheads and so on and so forth? Well, maybe it's because they're in the earth. Yeah. That makes a lot more sense. But guys, we're going to bring on Rodney M. Clough. Now, Rodney M. Clough is a, you know, he has a website on Hollow Earth. He's wrote a book about it.

He's been on a TV show about this. And we're going to talk to Rodney about what his thoughts are on this. And we're going to ask him some questions that I'm sure probably a lot of you want to know. Because, you know, we're not experts in this as well. So it'll be interesting to get his opinion on this. Rodney, are you with us? Yeah, I'm here. Hey, Rodney, how's it going?

Good, good. So, Rodney, tell us a little bit about yourself and, you know, kind of how you got into this hollow earth thing. And I don't know if, have you heard any of our podcast so far? this episode? I was listening this morning. I got you. So tell us, what got you into the whole hollow earth

theory? And is it a theory or is it something that you believe could possibly be proved by science? Well, I believe there's plenty of scientific scriptural and historical evidence that the earth is hollow, not only the Earth, but the Moon and the Sun and all the planets, even asteroids are hollow.

Wow. I first learned about the hollow Earth theory when I was working on a farm in New Mexico. I'm from, I was born and raised in Mormon colony in northern Mexico and Chihuahua. Okay. And later immigrated to the United States here to Arizona, principally. Okay. But when I was on this farm, one evening, the guy I was working with Greg Bowman was telling me that some of the boys had just talked to the farm manager son who told him about this book that he had read by Raymond Bernard, the Hall of Earth. and he thought it was the ideal location where the Lord would hide the lost tribes of Israel.

Many years later, when I immigrated to Phoenix, Arizona, I saw an advertisement for that book, and I sent off for it. And I've been studying it ever since. Wow. Now, is it, you know, so did you get into the hollow earth thing? So when you were on the farm, I guess, in Mexico, how old were you then? I was 16. 16. Yeah, I was still in high school.

But when I found the book, it was several years after I had graduated. I had served a mission for our church in Mexico where I found my wife. We were married one year after my mission in the Mesa, Arizona Temple. and then we moved to Phoenix, Arizona, where we lived many years. And we still do live here near Phoenix here in Sun City, the retirement community. Yeah, that's cool, because there's actually a Sun City here in South Carolina. I don't know why they love retirement communities. Call them Sun City.

It's pretty cool. So let me ask you, though, so this whole hollow earth thing, what was this, what was it about the theory of the hollow earth? You know, and if you've listened, which you haven't probably obviously, but our podcast, we talk a lot about the Bible. Now, obviously, we're a little different religion and so on. But I think in general, there's a lot of stuff, and we talk about on this podcast often, that regardless of religion, in a lot of cases, there's a lot of things in many books of different religions that kind of point to things that are either happening on this earth, going to happen on this earth, or is a part of what we live in. What is it about the hollow earth theory in particular that you, that drew you to this? Because obviously, you started this at 16. I don't know how old you are now, but I guess you've kind of been not obsessed with this,

but wanting to find out the truth behind this your entire life, right? Well, it was back in 1973 when my wife and I got married. and it wasn't long after that that I found this book by Raymond Bernard, the Hollow Earth. And that's when I started studying at real intent. And I ended up writing a book. It's available on my website, our hollow earth.com. I named my book The World's Top Secret, The World's Top Secret, Our Earth is Hollow Earth. And I claim it's the greatest geographical discovery in history, just like Raymond Bernard maintained in his book.

I have found many references very interesting, the one that just came out, and which I had been given a manuscript of it, is a book by a guy named John B. who was an intelligence officer for the U.S. government during and after World War II. His book is called Genesis for the Space Race. And I was sent this manuscript in 2008. Just recently, it's been published on Amazon.com. And in this book, I accepted his testimony because he got this right out of the National Archives. that in February of 1927, Richard E. Bird of the United States Navy flew with his pilot

north of the island of Ellesmer Island, Canada, from alert base towards the coordinates of 87.7 north 42.2.2 east longitude and they went through a giant hole in the Arctic Ocean into the interior of our planet. Yeah, and I've heard this as well. They circle around and then came back. They said that they found people there that waved to them. And they took about 300 photographs of the beautiful land beyond the pole. and when they got back to Washington President Coolidge didn't want to publicize it he thought it was too crazy of an idea

he didn't think anybody would believe it and it wasn't until a couple of other pilots around the World War II and afterwards that also discovered this polar opening one of them was pilot Charles A. Lindberg who was the first to fly across the Atlantic Ocean in an airplane. And he had been hired to search out a northwest passage north of Canada and had just accidentally discovered the polar opening up there in about 1931.

He was going to show what he had. to the New York Times, and his baby was stolen. And they told him that if you publish what you found out, you'd never see your baby again. Holy cow. Yeah, that's nice. That's crazy.

You know, so what made the first pilot go up? Because I don't think you heard the first 15 minutes of our episode tonight, but I had mentioned the pilot thing. And what made the first pilot go there? Were they going there to look for this, or was it something they stumbled into for another reason? Well, back in the 20s, there was this author named Marshall B. Gardner that wrote a book on the Hollow Earth Theory. And he set forth a lot of scientific evidence that he had discovered from Arctic explorers. and he had challenged the governments of the world,

especially the United States government, to go search it out to see that there is a polar opening up there. But how Admiral Bird just came about it was that the year before, in 1926, he and his pilot flew to Spitzbergen, and they were going to try to beat it, beat in a race to the pole, a Munson, who was going in a dirigible.

And, well, he did. Of course, he beat a Munson to the pole because the dirigible flies while slower. And so their airplane got to the pole, and then they circled around. And his pilot told him about the Hall of Worth theory, and he said, why don't we circle around on the other side of the pole to see if we can find this opening that is the theory claims. And so they did, they circled around on the inside of the pole about 85 north, and they found the polar opening, and they started going down in it,

and Bird decided to turn around and go back to base. But it was the next year that the Navy sponsored them in their flight from, alert base and they flew past the pole and into the polar opening at 85 north-130 east. Wow. In the next year in 1927. That was the first year that anyone had flown through the polar opening. So where this polar opening is, Ronnie, is like in a mountain range? Can people, if they were to explore on the ground, would you be able to see it?

Like, what does it look like, I guess? Or where is it? Okay. Okay, well, in the Arctic, it's in the ocean. It's in the Arctic Ocean. Wow. And so you don't skiing around and completely miss it. If you're not going in the right direction, you have to be going in a certain direction on a certain meridian,

which I believe is 130th meridian those north from Russia such as a couple such as a flight did actually did

in 1947 that was flying from Moscow and they were flying towards over the they wanted to fly over the pole to Fairbanks Alaska and they got lost up there.

And the United States sent flyers from this side, the Russian sent flyers from their side. And they flew all over up there and never found them. But the thing is, their last radio was on the north part of this island up there. And I believe that from that island, they actually, instead of going over the pole, they made a course straight across the Arctic Ocean towards Fairbanks

and just accidentally flew right through the polar opening that's located in that area. Wow. Let me ask you, so we're talking about a North Pole here. And the thing is, we've talked, we've not had an episode on it, but, you know, there's been, I think it's kind of well-known, the South Pole in particular is very private.

I used to be in travel, and I was a travel manager for a major or a national company. And so we had travel trips and tour guide type situations all over. And there was actually a trip to the South Pole, but obviously it has to be guided. You know, South Pole's rules, not South Pole's rules, but I guess it's United States rules. I don't know who exactly controls the South Pole. I don't know anybody really knows that, but you can't just go to the South Pole. There was actually a group of people that, you know, had all this equipment.

They had millions of dollars to spend on equipment that would allow them to survive a trip to the South Pole and to have equipment sent there to where they could go for months and survive, and they were not able to do so. It is the, which is weird because the South Pole, I don't know, is really owned by anybody technically, Well, it's almost like an area 51. It's kind of like an area 51.

It's restricted from anyone. But do you think that has anything to do with anything? Well, the United States has the base at the South Pole. It's exactly 90 degrees. But the polar openings are not located at the poles. They're off five degrees. So if you're going to the pole on a certain meridian, you could go through the polar opening

and not even know that where you ended up if you didn't know that there was this hollow. But this actually happened to those Soviet flyers. They didn't know anything about the hollow earth and yet because they were going to flying on the meridian that takes you through the polar opening. They ended up inside the hollow earth.

Animal Bird Well, later on, you know, he was made an admiral in Operation High Jump in 1946 and 47 he flew through the South Polar Opening and the description of his flight that is given in a Dunby List book,

Genesis for Space Age, is that he flew from McMurdle Base with the Colsack on the right side and Axel Heiberg Glacier on the left and he flew right through the South Pole opening

which was located the Cordomaya summit 85 degrees south 50 degrees west so in this first fly that he made. As John Belis describes, he only flew halfway through the polar opening.

And he determined that the neck of the opening is 125 miles in diameter. And you can imagine a funnel, you know. Yeah. As it's wider at the top

than it is down in the funnel. So that's pretty much how the polar opening is. It starts like 900 miles and then it gradually goes in, curving into the earth

so that the neck where the sides of the polar opening are closest together is about 125 miles in diameter, according to Richard Bird. And then the next year he flew in

in Operation Highgump. Now this was a semi secret expedition that their orders were given to them in Washington. It was declared the most, it was declared the most important expedition in the history of the world. And yet they didn't tell the public exactly what they were looking for down there. And it was the Germans that had escaped World War II, they had information that they had gone to the Antarctic. And Admiral Byrd, they had gone into the Hollow Earth,

and that's what he was going to do on this second flight. It took several planes, and they flew through the South Polar Opening from McMurdo. And when they got to the interior of the planet, they were approached by flying saucers from the Hollow Earth. and since they had this swastika on the symbol on him, he considered them enemy craft and ordered his planes to fire on them. But of course, the flying saucers of the Hollow Earth are much more powerful.

They just shot them down with their laser beams. And they all except animal bird. And they told him he had to return to the service of the planet and they were returned again. but on my website you can watch a video that was taken by a Russian ship that was close to the high jump fleet north of McMurdo and in this video you can see flying saucers coming up out of the ocean these flying saucers from the Hall of Earth came up out of the ocean and our aircraft carrier sent up several planes to fight them. Of course, there was no competition because their flying saucers shot them easily out of the sky with their laser beams.

They shot one of the destroyers that was accompanying the fleet. It caught on fire. and it was only like a few minutes that they had this skirmish and then the flying saucers dove back under the waves. But Admiral Bird got the message

that the people in the Hall of Earth can defend themselves easily and that they have higher technology than we do. Back in the 50s, there were this Canadian

head of the Department of Transportation. His name was Smith. He wrote a letter to the top officials in our government that he had heard that we had

obtained some information on how the flying saucers work and that we had down some flying saucer, which you know did happen in Roswell, New Mexico, 1947, and he wanted to know how they operate. And so he was responded to by top officials in our government that the flying saucers were considered top secret, higher secret than the H-bomb,

and that their modus operandi was under investigation, and it was headed by VATES. Bander Bannabar Bush, the father of George Bush, who was the first George Bush president of the United States. Yeah. That at some time, you know, at one time he was head of the CIA of the United States too. Yeah, exactly. I was going to mention that. Let me ask you, have you seen the new, you know, the video that came out last year of the UFO that transversed air into the ocean that came from the battleship that Jeremy. Corbell released. Did you see that video?

Oh, yeah. The video off the shore of San Diego, right? Yeah, San Diego. Do you, it's funny because everything you just said, like, I mean, look, I think in 2021, most people think there's, there's so much in 2021 that has, it's coming true. And I don't know if it's the age of technology, people can actually research things for themselves. But do you think that, what I'm saying is what you just said, a lot of people, if you told them that, right, for example, most people, it would blow their mind. Same thing with

other podcasts we've done. We've done podcasts on Martin Luther King and the fact that there was an actual trial on Martin Luther King that talked about kind of how the government was possibly involved. No one usually knows that. But the same thing goes with what you just said and that entire story of the hollow earth and the admirals and everything else. But then you see this spacecraft that transverse air to see. Do you believe that that is from the hollow earth? It could easily be from the hollow earth. And the majority of flying saucers are spacecraft seen around the world

actually come from the hollow earth. There was a study done by a Frenchman in which, he studied the flight patterns of all these sightings of UFOs around the world. And he noticed a pattern where they were either flying from the north or going north or flying the south or coming from the south, which would be true if they're coming through the polar openings. And so I believe that most of them do come from the Hollow Earth, although we know also that there are other planets and silver systems that have flying saucer technology.

Back in the 50s, there's this pastor named Frank Stranges from California. He got a photograph of an alien that was taken by an Air Force photographer in the... the backyard meeting of Howard Menger, who was a contactee back then, who claimed that from a very young age, he was contacted by people from Venus. And this photograph was of one of the people that came from Venus. His name was Valiant Thor. He landed his little spacecraft outside Washington, a flag down of policemen, and asked to taken to the Pentagon.

He wanted to talk to President Eisenhower. And they were able to get a meeting with him at the White House. Yeah. With President Eisenhower and Richard Nixon, and he gave them a book, according to this minister of Frank Strangers, that in this book had all the instructions of how the people of Venus could help us eliminate. death, food and hunger, I mean, death and hunger and disease.

And after reviewing this book with his advisor for one year, President Eisenhower returning the book, he says, sorry, but we can't accept your suggestion, your help, because my advisors say that it would destroy the economy of the United States. And that's the big thing. Eisenhower's meeting with the aliens, and there's a lot of there's a lot of talk that's been out there about that we've talked about that on some other um it sure did you have a question no i mean well we kind of got off that topic

what i was going what i was going to ask you rodney is these polar openings is that the only openings to the um hollow earth are there other openings like in the ocean or somewhere else like is there just there's there's openings all over the planet and that the flame officers come up out of the ocean. There's a guy that wrote a book, The Pale Horse. He was an intelligence officer for the Navy. And while he was out on a ship out in the ocean, I think it was a submarine that he was on.

And they were up on the bow. And all of a sudden out in front of them, this flying soldier comes out of the ocean and flies up into the sky. and then pretty soon it comes back and flies back into the ocean. Yeah. And all around the spacecraft, the water just repels, you know. And this opens up and no flying saucer flies into the ocean. So there's other places all over the planet where flying saucers have been seen coming out of the earth.

Yeah, that's what I was wondering, because at first year, like, the polar openings, but. Yeah, what's special about the polar openings? Is it one of the main entrances, do you think? or is it, you know, what do you think about that? Well, yeah, so one of the persons that called me his work in Antarctica, he was working with the C-Bs. They're people that are really well trained to go search out and rescue and do intelligence and operations around the world.

They had, they told, he told me that he told me that he, he knew. knew several of these CB people that have seen the South Pole opening and he said that flying sausage were coming in and out of that opening like bees out of a hive. Wow.

That's nuts. That is nuts. Because you do see a lot of like spaceships like we're talking about are unidentified crafts around oceans that are going in and out of the ocean. But I'm just curious like you were saying in the beginning that

had something to do with religious beliefs or what because he's Mormon yeah you kind of grew up Mormon right yeah so my my first dad and sister joined the church in 1830 uh with the prophet joseph Smith and immigrated west and then down here to Arizona uh yeah well what what is this scriptures what does it do for your religious beliefs we we've talked a lot about aliens and UFOs on this podcast a ton and that's actually one of you know we talk about all kinds of stuff, but it's one of my favorite things. My favorite subjects is extraterrestrials and, you know, I'm a Christian. I believe in God and all that. And, but what is it, the hollow earth thing, how does it align with your religious beliefs?

What does it mean to you as far as, say, for example, there is intelligent life in our earth? and like how does that line up with either your beliefs or just a god period do you think well i think it's completely all there in the scriptures uh i the more i searched it out the more i found and and just an example i was we bought some property in northern Arizona where we have we're putting a well and going to start a garden next summer. But when we first set up our homestead there, we asked Cues Annette to bring out and put one of their dishes on our property so that we could have internet.

And so the guy that brought it out was a Navajo Indian. And I asked him, I've heard about you guys, you Navajos believe that your ancestors came out of the earth. And he said, yeah. We believe that our ancestors actually did come out of the earth. Now, that's an interesting thing because it apparently has been lost in the Bible that the Garden of Eden is actually in the hollow earth. Wow.

There's some Norwegian explorers, Olaf Jansen and Jens Janssen in 1829. they were fishing north of the of Pittsburgh and north of the French Joseph Islands when they saw this lead in the ice and the sun tells his father many times you've told me of our ancestors, the Norwegians that the chosen

ones migrated into this paradise up there in the north here's this lead in the ice, why don't we go check it out? And so they did, they went through this lead that took him accidentally, just happened to take them, I guess because of occurrence that were flowing in that area, through the North Pole Rovaping to the inner earth, where they met this race of people that are,

or what he called the chosen ones, and I believe are the lost ten tribes of Israel, because they told L. Laf Janssen that their God is Jehovah, who is the God of God. ancient Israelites. And in the in the in the

in the Pocrypha it talks about in Ezrus that the lost tribes went into a north country and it took them a year and a half to get there. A lot of them their cousins stayed behind

but there was a special group of them that went into the north country and became what they called the lost ten tribes of Israel. and so after being taught their language Olaf Jansen and his father were taking overland in a monorail train in 1820 1830 to their capital city which is built around the original garden of Eden and this is in the earth right their capital city is called the city of Eden in the hollow earth yes and I've determined where it's located too the first prophet of our church was joseph smith he says that adam's first home after he was driven out of the garden of eden was in davis county north of jackson county missouri and he received a revelation from jesus christ saying that

the new future capital of America called in the Bible the new Jerusalem, or in the scriptures, that it will be a new Jerusalem built on American continent. It's more specifically in the book of Mormon. It talks about this city being built. Well, it's 800 miles beneath. this location in Independence, Missouri, it's where I believe that the intercontinent, where the highest mountain plateau is,

the Olaf Johnson said that the Garden of Eden is located. Wow. So I've written a chapter on that, and the evidence is that of the location of the Garden of Eden in my book. But also, there's a chapter I wrote on Paradise found. Now, people that study the scriptures,

they realize that there's a place where a person goes when he dies, his spirit goes, called paradise, right? And there's a place where other people go that's called hell, right? Yeah. So when I studied the scriptures, and how they described, this earth, they describe a hollow earth in the scriptures.

In chapter 16 of the book of Luke in the New Testament, here's Abraham up in paradise with the poor man, Lazar that died and went to paradise. And here's the rich man that just gave him crumbs, you know, to this poor Lazarus when he was alive. And the dogs lick his sores and he died and he went to heaven. Well, the rich man, he didn't apparently live good enough life. And so he ended up in hell. And so he looks up to paradise and sees Abraham and Lazarus in his bosom. He says, Abraham, please send Lazarus down here because I'm burning up down here in hell.

with some water. There's no water down here. And Abraham says, oh, I'm sorry, but in your life, you did your deeds. And Basra did his good deeds. But, and between, besides that, between you and us, there is a great gulf fixed whereby you can't come here and we can't go there to help you. but so obviously from the scripture it indicates that paradise and hell are different locations right

but do you think paradise is you think paradise is in the earth yeah there's actually scripture that says where Jesus told the Pharisees he says

even as Jonas was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale even so shall the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. And this is when he died and his spirit went to paradise because when he was on the cross, what did he tell the thief at his sight? He says, today, thou shalt be with me in paradise. So they both went to paradise. I don't think that the thief stayed there. He went to be judged.

He probably ended up in hell after his judgment. But Jesus, where did he go? to paradise. He had told the Pharisees that's in the heart of the earth. Now this is confirmed also in Ephesians chapter 4 it says before Christ

ascended into heaven after his resurrection he first descended into the lower parts of the earth when his body was dead. His spirit went to paradise right? Yeah. So that's another thing that the people of the Hall of Earth told that

He told them, they told him that their God was Jehovah and that his throne was on the inner sun, suspended in the hall over the earth. The inner sun is... Yeah, I've heard a lot about the inner sun. Yeah, it's different than ours because it's separated between its day and night sides. It has been on its night side, it has a dark, covering. It's a brownish color that dark brownish color and in the center of it is a opaque area, the old ass jensen said, big round opaque area that has a lot of holes through it that lets bright white light come through, it shines like stars at night. So the inside of the earth, they have their north and south just opposite of us because

like any magnet at the north and come out the south but on the inside the magnetic lines are going towards the south and they go in the north but the earth is just the same

way as the magnetic field and the magnetic field lines come out the south pole and go in the north pole But that makes their direction is exactly the opposite of ours because the North Pole of the Magnet is our South Pole. And the South Pole of the magnet inside the Earth is our North Pole. So that's why the scriptures also call the Hall of Earth the North countries. Because if you're following your compass like Olaf Jansen did, he went through the North Pole opening. even though they were supposedly going south on the inner surface after passing through the polar opening,

the magnetic compass still pointed north to the north marking on the compass. So their north pole is our south pole. And they explained to Olaf Jansen that he came in, he came up when he went in through the north pole opening, was the river Hydeco. So in the Bible, you can read about the four rivers that come out of the Garden of Eden, right? Yeah. One's a pison.

It goes towards their north pole, which is our south pole. The Heideckel comes from their south pole, which is our north pole. There's the four rivers that said that there's a big artesian fountain in the garden. And it spills all this water out, and it divides and goes into these four big rivers.

that divides the intercontinent in the four sections. You know, it's interesting you talk about this because, you know, one of the things that a lot of people would, which I hope people don't still think like this today, I hope they don't. And the reason I hope they don't think like this is because I think we know for the most part that our government and our media or just everything. Like we, the people just don't really know. I think people know two to three to five percent of what really happens just even on our surface. Forget hollow earth. Forget everything else. We only know a very, very small fraction of

what either the governments know or whatever the case may be. I mean, we, you know, look at all these classified documents on all kinds of stuff. Everything that is interesting or everything that pretty much most people, if they just saw the real classified documents on so many subjects, they would say, okay, well, that makes sense, right? And the same thing, you know, I would would ask you, well, why do you think the government hides this? Well, I mean, it's the same reason that the government would hide anything that they don't want you to know for whatever reason the case may be. But I found it interesting. We've heard about dimensional beings, right? So being in another dimension or I know the flat earth guys, which, by the way, we've never had a flat earth podcast.

Because that's, I mean, not saying we won't, just to entertain someone that talks about flat earth or whatever. I don't necessarily believe in flat earth. But, but, you know, one of the things they talk about, And I found it interesting when you just said that like when you're in the hollow earth and there's like a star system or whatever, you know, where it looks like stars from the sun or whatever the case may be. It's weird because a lot of the hollow earth guys and there's just even beside, or not hollow earth, the flat earth. Flat earth, yeah. Not even just a flat earth guys, but there are people that believe this simulation theory, right? And this simulation theory kind of believes that you're in a almost a petri bot. and what you're looking at in the sky is not really what you're looking at

is something that is simulated, simulated, made up, or something. But I found it interesting because when you talked about, like, if you're in the hollow earth, you're going to see things on the dark that look like stars and then vice versa with sun. And I'm not saying that space don't exist. I'm just saying I thought it was interesting

because if you're in the hollow earth, I just wonder, let's say, for example, it is fact right now. We like everyone on the planet knows there's a hollow earth and there's people live there, right? I just wonder, number one, are those people like us? Are they an advanced civilization of human beings? Do they look different than us? And do they even know that we exist with the exception of the people, you know, the top people that go out and, you know, say that UFOs are here and we think those are from flat Earth?

Obviously, they know we're here. The hollow Earth, sorry. But these people are the hollow tribes of Israel that migrated to the Hall of Worth almost 2,500 years ago. So since they have such long lifespans, it has the lifespans like we talked about in the Bible, well, like Adam that lived 930 years. Well, they live a lot longer than that in the Hollow Earth. They got a perfect climate. And there's less gravity there, so their bodies grow long.

and Olam Jansen says that his father was six feet, over six feet tall, and he only came up to their belt buckles. They were about 12 feet tall. Wow. People of the Hall of Earth. Which makes sense. But they live so long that they're so intelligent. They're so much more vast than us. And they had electricity and Monroe trains back in 1830 when he went there, you know, when we didn't even have electricity out here on the surface of the planet.

it. And so I believe that they, and in fact, he described the monotrail train had a propeller on top of it that would take away the gravity so that wouldn't fall to either sighted on the monorail train when they were going to the capital city. So I'm sure that they had anti-gravity technology back then, even on their ships. would use them because he described how fast they moved and didn't make hardly any noise. And so, yeah, but there's several different groups of people up there. For example, the lost Viking colonies of Greenland that colonized east side of Greenland and then two different colonies back in about the first century in 900.

And they came over from Ireland and and and then they disappeared. And there's a guy that wrote a book about these disappeared of Vikings that colonists of Greenland. And I figured out where they went. They went to the Hall of Earth because Lieutenant Green was a science advisor for Admiral Perry. when he went to the pole in 1908 to try to be the first people person at the north pole and he asked the greenland eskimos what happened to the lost viking colonies of greenland and they told him they said one year they had a hunting party came back from the north we're all all excited and said we found a paradise up there in the arctic and then and then the that's my

said that they just all packed up their backs and traipsed off across the ice in the middle of the wonder and never came back. So I believe they actually went to the hollow earth. Now, the Eskimos also believe that there is a land in the north. There's a hole in the Arctic Ocean. Then this land in the north where the sun never goes down, it's up there in the sky all day long, even though half of the day is bright white for day for night, except for the holes that show like, holds in it that show like the shine like stars. But they also believe sisters came from that place. Then you have these German colonists that colonized a colony down in the Matagroso that John B. Lyft talks about in his book.

in about the 1500s, and they were hired to go up the Amazon and set up a fort to defend against the Spanish over the Andes from Peru for the Portuguese in Brazil. And after they unloaded their ships, they burnt their ships showing that they were going to be. They were chased by these head-hending Indians, and they penned them up in this cavern. And they were afraid to go out of the cavern because of these head-hunting Indians. And so they sent a search party back in the cavern to see if they could find another way out. And they actually found that when they came back, they told them that they had found that the earth is hollow. That they came out on the inner surface. There was another sun inside the earth.

earth and it was plant, beautiful plant life. And so these people actually set up in the further centuries afterwards, a train system that goes to the Hall of Worth from their colony in the Montagroso. And the Dunby-Lith was an opinion that many of the Germans that escaped World War II actually went to the Hall of Earth through this. train system. Some of them went through flying saucers that the Germans back engineered, just like we were back engineering Roswell flying saucers, that they were actually given some help from people from Venus, how they make these flying saucers. They were back engineering

some work. That's what I was going to ask you. Like, how do you get there if the whole Earth is in the ocean? If you don't have, like, you're talking about these tribes going, like, if you don't have airplane, how do you get to the hollow earth in the middle of the ocean? Well, yeah, there's this hole in the Arctic Ocean is so big. It's about 125 miles in diameter at the neck. That's halfway through, okay? So you could, you get halfway through and look up like old after that. Jensen did when he was going through it, and he could see the sun shining off the surface of

the ocean above us head. It looked like a bright. star, okay? But it was just the surface of the ocean because gravity is not what the scientists tell you, okay? Gravity is

actually a push from space. And I came to this conclusion by studying several books, and one of them was Howard Manders' book on these flying saucers and how they operate. And he came to the

conclusion. that they actually control gravity. It's called the ether flow. And our father of gravity actually believed a substance called, and this ether flows into the earth. And as it flows into the earth, it puts pressure on us and keeps our feet firmly planted on the outer surface. It flows into the inner surface

and keeps their feet firmly planted on the inner surface, even though it's less than ours here. But it's a flow. So these big old holes in the Arctic Ocean and in the Antarctic, called polar openings, is a curvature of the earth going into the inner surface, okay? And as you're going around the curvature, the gravity, which is etherflow,

is flowing into the sides, even though you're in a hole, the gravity is flowing into the size that keeps your feet firmly planted on the size or your ship, firmly planted on the surface of the ocean on the size of the polar opening. Gotcha.

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, so you're kind of going in like sideways, but you don't even know you're going in kind of. Yeah. Hey, I have a question for you. You know Elon Musk is, obviously. Yeah. And Elon Musk has been asked many times on different

podcast about aliens and he don't really say too much about it. But did you happen to see Elon Musk tweet April 5th, 2021 where he says, and by the way, the reason I bring this up is because I believe Elon is probably one of the brightest minds of our time. And besides that, he does obviously when you're one, well, the richest man in the world, not to mention how smart he is as far as creating things to get to space. But he came out with a tweet or a tweet and it said, the earth is not flat. It is a hollow globe And Donkey Kong lives there And the reason, or Donkey King

And the reason he said Donkey King It's because there's a movie he watched That I guess it was I'm not sure which movie Donkey Kong versus King Kong or whatever Or whatever, whichever it is But usually when Elon Musk tweets things Similar to that,

The Earth is not flat, it is a hollow globe. Typically, Elon always hints at things That he wants you to either look up research or know in things that are kind of like cryptic messages. And so Elon tweeting, the Earth is not flat. It is a hollow globe. It caught on attention from media outlets around the world.

And it says that Elon was given a nod to conspiracy theorist is what many of the article said. But the reason they said that is because they know when Elon tweets things, he's doing it for a reason. You know, he's done it with Dogecoin. He's done it with stock market. He's done it with Tesla stock. He's done it with so many things.

and he uses this platform pretty smartly. But the fact this guy came out and said the earth is not flat but is hollow, and this is one of the brightest minds I believe in our time. What do you think about that? Well, the auroras and even the sun is hollow. Yeah, and I was going to ask you this too, and this goes back to what you learn in school. Like volcanoes and things that erupt,

like all this lava coming out from supposedly the core of the earth, where it's really hot and melts everything. Like, I don't understand. And, Sherry, by the way, keep in mind, to the core of the earth is 4,000 miles. You know what I mean? Yeah, so it could be not even close to the core. Yeah. Well, I was just going to ask Rodney, like, how does that work if we have all this hot lava coming out from the earth?

Well, on my website, on my home page, I give a list of about eight groups or men or people that have men and come back to tell us how it what it's like. And one of those is a guy named William Morgan, which called himself in this book called Edidorpah, I am the man. But Bruce Walton, a real Holoworth researcher from Provo, Utah. He studied it out and determined,

just from the descriptions of where this guy lived before he went to the Hollow Earth through a cavern in Kentucky, that it was this same guy. called William Morgan that joined the Freemasons in about 1827, and he was determined that secret rights, which he did. And I give a link to the book that he wrote on the secret rights of the Freemasons. But what happened was that they had him thrown in jail on a small debt. Back in those days, you could be thrown in jail for a debt.

And then they kidnapped him out of the jail. And then they got, Morgan was kidnapped and killed and thrown in this river. And they got the body out. Took it to his wife. She agreed that it was her husband. But it really wasn't. They took William Morgan out into the forest and put him in this cabin where his hair grew all real long. And then they came, put some chemicals on it, turned his, all his hair,

white in his skin all wrinkly like a little old man. Then they took him back to his wife and he tried to convince her that I'm your husband. And she says, no, I've seen my husband. My husband's dead. You're just an old tramp. And so they took him, they condemned him to this, going this journey to the hollow earth. And they took him down to the Cumberland River in Kentucky and out over the hills there

towards the mammoth caves. and they entered this cavern that was where a stream was empty into this cave in just in this one place out there. It wasn't the mammoth cave, but it was, you know, it was in that direction. In fact, I have one of my friends that claims he knows exactly where that cave is. And he was taken through the communicating caverns, clear to the hollow earth. And he described what his guide,

his inner-guerite was there waiting at the cave before they went in. And the freemasons handing him off to this inner-earth guide that took him down into the cavern. And he said, at the first like 10 miles is pitch black. He can't see a thing. But this inner-earth guide he could see in the dark. and so he would lead him along holding him by the hand till about 10 miles down there's a foshericine glow

caused by gravity and it allows you to see and they went on down to this lake that was about 150 miles down and it was 6,000 miles across and they got in this boat that was powered by anti-gravity and they went across this lake explaining to him

and they're having these conversations back and forth in one of the conversations he describes how the earth was formed for the earth was formed as a bubble which is hollow okay and on the outer surface of this bubble of the space dust and rocks accumulated until the shell of the earth became 800 miles from the outside of the inner surface okay and and he says a lot of this space dust and rocks is pure space metals and and reactive materials like phosphorus, potassium, magnesium, and sulfur, which in the presence of water, spontaneously combust. And they were, on this lake, they were taken off, he was taken off to this one side where

it was the beginnings of a volcano that erupts periodically in southern Italy. And he explained to him that the water seeping down from above into this lake, raises the level up and it spills over this ledge and goes down into this deposit of original space dust and metals that the earth was originally made of and it causes spontaneous combustion with phosphorus potassium sodium and sulfur and it causes laba to form and then when the water then evaporates and causes steam The steam pushes the lava out through a crevice in the surface of the Earth, and that's where you get your volcanic action.

Interesting. Wow. Yeah, the hollow earth thing is, it is crazy. And it's something that, you know, we haven't done a flat earth thing because I don't, technically, I don't believe in that. But not saying I wouldn't have someone on to talk about it. But I was excited about this because, you know, with the UFOs and the alien thing and, you know, the scripture, and there's so many things that just, and not even that, I mean, I looked at, I looked at scientific colleges that kind of base their, their curriculum around geology and so on and so forth.

And whereas they do have, they do have articles based on hollow earth theory. They don't necessarily disprove the hollow earth theory on many of these colleges, such as, I think it's UC Berkeley and some of these other ones. I was reading some of this stuff and it was like I was expecting as I was reading for them to disprove and why this is not true. But a lot of these articles never did. So it was always very interesting. I was like, you know, I started researching this like, man, this is an actual possibility. But Rodney... I looked into earthquakes. They support the Hall of Earth theory. There's two kinds of earthquakes, the S wave and the P wave. The P wave are sort of like sound waves, there are compression waves. The S waves are sort of like when you shake a... shake a rope, you know.

And then they travel through the earth a little bit differently. And so what's interesting is that on the other side of the earth from the epicenter where the earthquake occurs, there is always what they call a shadow zone where the earthquakes don't reach. So what causes this shadow zone? Well, it's the hollow and the earth. Earthquakes don't pass through the hollow of the earth. It's obvious.

Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, it's crazy to think about because, you know, so you're talking about earthquakes don't pass through the hollow zone. Right. I had a friend. I was working. When I first got to Phoenix, I started working on my car. And one day I had a student that was studying at ASU,

my partner, at driving, and we got to talking, And he says that in the ASU, they had this experiment that they carried on for the Air Force in which they tried to send an ultrasonic beams straight through the earth. And they were unable to, only at real wide angles so that they would be going through some crests over there, the real wide angles, but directly beneath their feet in a big area. There was no ultrasonic beams that they could send through the earth, which would be the case. If the earth is hollow, because the earth being hollow, no sonic beams can go through space because the hollow of the earth is about 4,000 or 5,000 miles of just pure space. Yeah. Yeah, it's insane.

I mean, how big, you know, a lot of people don't realize that, you know. Yeah, the vast bigness. How big it is. But it was interesting that you said that Earth is not the only thing that's hollow. And I get like how the sun could be hollow because. It's basically a gas ball. Yeah. Well, the scientists, they believe that the sun is a big gas, a ball of gas.

And they also say the big, giant planets out there, Neptune, Saturn, are all big balls of gas. Yeah. But I did an analysis of these different planets, the sun, and these gaseous planets. and if they all are hollow and have a shell about the 10% of their diameter like the earth is, the diameter of Earth is 8,000 miles, and 10% of that is 800 miles, which is the distance we estimate being the thickness of the shell of the plants from the outside of the inner surface, if all these planets are hollow and have a shell, that is 10% of their diameter,

they would all have solid surfaces. They wouldn't be gaseous planets, except for Saturn. Saturn would have to have a shell about 5% of its diameter in order for it to have a solid surface. And, you know, there's a lot of craziness that goes on with the moon.

Yeah, but what about, like, Uranus and, you know, the planets that are ice? Well, it could still be protected. was hollow, right? Well, then, look, I did analysis on the Voyager analysis of uranium when it passed

by it back in the 70s. And they measured some oxygen in the atmosphere. They saw it at the north and south poles, there was some heat coming up from the planet, like as if there's an opening there and warm air is coming out.

And it had a radio signal that would vary. A radio signal is an evidence of a star. Stars put out radio signals. The sun puts out radio signals. So you're saying Neptune has a radio signal like a star? Yeah.

And it has the inner sun that puts out radio signals. And not only that, it has auroras that light up the pulse. Saturn, for Jupiter, Neptune, and these heat electrical glows

what they call it. Are you talking about the same thing? Are you talking about the same thing as like Aurora Borealis? Right, exactly. And so what does that mean for Earth, Aurora Borealis, in relation to hollow earth?

Well, the scientists claim that it's caused by a solar wind that comes from our sun. But the thing is, as it approaches the Earth, the Earth's magnetic field, deflex the solar wind from the outer, our sun out here. So it cannot enter in the magnetic field

and increase in energies like they claim accelerating down to the planet that create the auroras. Because I've been up in Alaska, and I've looked at the aurora myself, with my own eyes, and the radiation that causes the aurora lights to light up is going up from the earth into space. So it's coming from Earth.

What it is is the solar wind from the inner sun coming out through the polar opening, hitting the atmosphere above the poles and causing them to light up. That makes absolutely complete sense. I get it now. So you're saying like all these hollow places they have their own inner like sun, inner heat,

inner system, like system. Which we've always known the Earth has some kind of heat system in the middle. But you know, and the thing is... But we always say that we get our heat from the sun and all the planets get that heat from the sun. But what he's saying is like Uranus, Neptune, those places are so far away from the sun. No, I get that. Yeah. You know, they're ice planets. They could not possibly be lit up.

Their auroras could not possibly be lit up by our sun. They're so far away. Even our aurora here on Earth has energies far, far more powerful than the solar wind. Oh, that makes completely sense. I get what you're saying now with the auroras and these other planets. It's not coming from our sun. It has to be coming from their plant, from their core. Yeah.

And as this aurora energy comes out of the earth and lights up the auroras, it's been trapped in the magnetic field of the earth in what is called the Van Allen radiation bells over the equator. Yeah, we've talked a lot about that. Oh, yeah. You know, and the thing is, that's so interesting you talk about that as far as not the Van Allen, but the Aurora Borealis and your theory on which I believe is actually sounds more correct than the known theory is that these gases or solar winds are actually coming from. And by the way, isn't it funny, you only see the Aurora Borealis and the towards the poles? Yeah. You know, that's interesting.

Where those are like the main, like, openings to the core? The auroras actually conform to the magnetic field of the earth and at the poles of magnetic fields have a hole at the poles. And since these are magnetic particles, since these particles that come out in the aurora, that light them up the aurora from the inner sun, the solar wind, it follows these magnetic field lines. And so it creates like an oval

of auroras around each lower area on my website as you go to my website is the auroral oval for Antarctica and remind people what your website is by the way one more time yeah our hollow earth

com our hollowo earth dot com University of Alaska that did a study on the auroras at both poles He sent an airplane from north from Anchorage and south from New Zealand

and they timed their watches exactly and he discovered the variations in the Aurora both poles happen exactly at the very same time which made him think that what was causing the auroras came from towards the equator or

or the since it comes out from the inside of the earth, it comes out from the core. Now let me ask you, you know, we've grown up thinking and believing. You're in science class. You're in whatever class it is. And by the way, before we did this podcast, I wanted to do research beyond first, second, third, fourth,

and fifth grade education, where they teach you the mantle and the core and the crust and all this stuff, right? And everything gets their heat from the sun. Yeah, and all that, which we do on the surface. But, you know, but then... But he's basically saying Neptune in all those places. Yeah, yeah, I get that.

They're creating their own. Kind of, but it's similar... Because they're too far away from the sun. They didn't even do that. But they, like he said, they would be dark because the sun can't reach that far. Yeah, you're right. But what I'm saying is, is that we learn of this, like, you know, geology. of earth from a very young age.

And it's something that we always believe. But then as I started doing research for this particular episode, I started looking at like, okay, well, what is the actual science? Like the actual factual thing of why we know there's a core and there's all these layers,

but there's zero hollow anything. There's literally everything we learned growing up in school, elementary school, middle school, whatever. and I started looking up like, what is the evidence of this? Like, what is the evidence on this versus hollow? And it's interesting. Those are also theories.

You know, the fact that there is a core and there's a this and there's all these layers of the earth, it is just as much as a theory as a hollow. As a hollow earth. And he just made complete sense with like earthquakes and volcanoes. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, scientists have been able to measure from the sun. So that heat has to come from heart somewhere.

And most likely they think it comes from the core of the planet. Yeah. Which is, which in a hollow earth situation, would that be the sun that's creating that heat? Within the earth. It's the inner sun that's creating that heat. I got you. Okay. That makes sense.

And so this inner sun is it like a gas planet or is it a gas planet or is it a gas? thing that's in the core or like how do you explain the the inner sun in the in the hollow earth? Yeah that's a good question. Okay. So that has to do somewhat with the understanding what gravity is.

Gravity is not what they teach you in school. That it's an attraction by the earth. I had a friend in Canada that sent me two experiments by an author friend of his

that prove that gravity is not an attraction by the earth. It's actually a pull. I mean, it's not an attraction. It's actually a push from space into the surface of the planet. Now, one of these experiments is to take one of those springs that you can drop on the floor and then it springs up, you know, and you can actually kind of walk. Well, you hang one of these up,

these springs up here on a ledge, and look at it. And the top of the few springs are kind of spread apart while the ones at the bottom are close together. Now, if the Earth was an attraction, if gravity was an attraction by the Earth, all these springs would be equal. separated apart from the top to the bottom.

If you got a hold of it and pulled it with your hand of the spring, would separate about the same distance apart. But if you just let it hang there, the top ones are farther apart than the ones at the bottom. And the reason for that is, is because the ether entering the earth hits each successive of rings of this spring and pushes it harder and harder as it gets down towards the bottom of the spring.

and it stretches the ones at the top. Okay? So there's also another experiment. He has this cross up here. He hangs two weights on it, okay, with a rubber band. And the weights are also separated with a rubber band. And so then he lets them go at an instant. And all of a sudden, the distance between them,

becomes less as they start to fall. So when they're just hanging there, there are certain distance apart hanging there on this rubber band, but when he lets them go, they come together a little bit and they fall down together. Now, what is causing them to come together

and not, that would be explained as the Ether, the first one is hitting Ether as it's falling through, and it leaves a little bit of vacuum in this trail. So the next one is not hit by as much ether as is falling down towards the ground. So they come together. So gravity is different than what they teach in school. Yeah. So as far as like what comes up must come down, that's gravity.

That's what we learn, right? Like we're on this earth because gravity holds us down. Yeah, but what is it? The scientists can't tell you what gravity is. Yeah, it's a theory. Yeah, so it's a theory that the earth is attracting everything and pulling it down towards the ground. When really it's ether, a moon comes up,

the tides go up on the ocean. Okay. We know that the moon has most effect on the tides of the ocean because it comes up 50 minutes later and the tides come up 50 minutes later. And why do they go up? It's because ether that is flowing into the earth and hitting the surface of the ocean is shielded by the moon underneath the moon. The tide goes up because it's not,

the ether is not hitting as hard as other places on the planet. Okay? So there's a little bit of a vacuum between the moon and the earth because of the ether flowing into the surface of the planet all the way around. Wow. Yeah, I mean, this whole hollow earth thing has blown my mind since I've been researching it. You've blown my mind as well tonight. And I think you're going to blow a lot of people's mindlessness.

I mean, it's one of those things that we, we as people nowadays in 2021 are more open to a lot of things. Well, it's like we were talking about, like, you know, what we learned in school might not necessarily be, you know, factual. Well, it's the same thing. And I know I brought up the Martin Luther King thing, but we just did a podcast on that. And 95% of people in America do not know that the United States government was actually by a court of law. Pretty much on trial. Was on trial and the jury of what 20 people, I believe, held what they believe, the United States government responsible for that, which is crazy. But there's tons of things we don't know that our government.

Because of the government. I think the hollow earth thing is definitely one big thing. I think there's so much we don't know as a people. And it's people like you, Rodney, that research this stuff and devote their life to it. It opens our eyes to like things that we might not ever like even. knew about or like can even like have a you know we would not even an ability to even yeah comprehend it if it weren't for people like you well i've come to the conclusion of why the earth being hollow is world top secret it's even a higher secret than the h-bomb and the

and the flying saucer technology that's why i call it the world top secret and that's because in my study I found out that Rockefeller financed a lot of Admiral Bird's flights in the exploration of Antarctica and into the

Arctic and how they involved in trying to control the world. Right now they're trying to put in place an ID system where like Aaron Russo said in his

video that I saw many years ago from from freedom to fascism he interviewed one of the Rockefeller brothers and he asked him what was your purpose what is your purpose

what is the thing that you guys are aiming to try to do and he told him well what do we want to do we want to put a chip in your right hand and in your forehead everybody and without that chip you can't pay your taxes you can't get a driver's license, you can't go to school,

you can't buy or sell, and those people that don't do what we tell them to do will just turn off their chips. Yeah. Then they become a homeless person, so we'll just round up all the homeless people and take them to a concentration camp where we have guillotine ready to chop off their heads.

Sounds so similar, doesn't it? I know, it's just crazy. It's so funny that Rockefeller comes up on everything, just like Freemason's too. They're very powerful. Like, these people are the... And they still are. They're world elites.

They are. And they're behind so much that we don't know anything about. Like, they really are. You know, a few years ago, Pope Francis came to the United States when Obama was president, and he had a big speech there for the Congress. And then he went to the United Nations. And he did another big speech. And then he went to Philadelphia.

in and he did another big speech. And it was because he was elected as Pope, right? A lot of people, I don't know, this is a Jesuit, okay? And back in 1776, there was another Jesuit called Adam Wischoff, who organized the Aluminati in 1776 in Bavaria, Germany. And the Lamanati organized,

the international bankers with Rochschild of Germany and his five sons that he sent throughout the Europe and his grandson came to America and set up the Federal Reserve. And they finance the Bolshevik revolution. As you can read in Gary Allen's book, Nung Daer call it conspiracy. So I've come to the conclusion that the top of world control here on the surface of the planet are the Jesuits. And underneath them are the Lamanati, underneath them, are the international bankers. Underneath them are the socialist and the communists and those people that are controlled by their bankers, you know, all these corporations that are financed by the Federal Reserve and their international bankers.

And who was these top? What were their names again? The ones you just said? What we have is in the Hollow Earth, Olaf Jansen was taken after one year of learning their language to their capital city in the city of Eden, to the great high priest over all the land. This great high priest is their king, and is also their prophet.

The Tibetans have a legend about Agartha, and they even talk about the king of the hollow earth, coming out through one of their caverns and saying that someday they will return to help establish world peace. Well, the Latter-day Saints have a scripture in one of our books of scripture called the Doctrine and Covenants. Section 133 says in the last days the Lord will speak to his prophets in the north countries, and they will stay themselves no longer, and the ice shall melt before them as they come down to Zion. which is in the scriptures is what they call America.

Yeah. So I've come to the conclusion of this prophet in the Hallworth who is the king is a descendant of David of old and that looking in the Bible that Jeremiah, when

King Nebuchadnezzar conquered Israel and carried away the king of the Jews he was king. Zedekiah, he was the last king to sit upon the throne of David among the Jews. At that

time, Jeremiah took the keys of the kingship to the lost tribes towards the north. The Lord told Jeremiah in chapter 3, go to the north countries and tell them to return, to repent of their ways

and to return. So the prophecy is that in the last day, the lost 10 tribes will come down from the north and they have the king the true throne of David the political kingdom of God and what do we have here on the surface of the planet well we have the Jesuits

and the Lamanani who do they worship they worship Lucifer and who do the lost 10 tribes worship their God is Jehovah Jesus Christ So we have here The Hollow Earth is governed by the political kingdom of God

On the outside it's governed by the political Kingdom of the Devil The Bible even calls it the great and abominable church Wow that makes so much sense in 2021 I know it's crazy This is scary You really does Last days

Talk to his prophets Of the political kingdom of God In the Holoworth And they will come down from the north They will even cast up a hundred highway, Isaiah says, in the midst of the Great Deep. And as they come down, their highways are just their monorail trains, right? They just put a post down in the ocean and put a rail across it, and here they come,

down to the new Jerusalem, the new capital of America, after the United States is destroyed by the invading armies of Joel Chapter 3. Wow. Man, that just made complete sense. you just said everything from Illuminati to everything like yeah literally that's crazy you know we always talk about this deep state and these people in charge and some of our biggest podcast we have New World Order podcast we have Illuminati podcast but yeah you just summed it up very uh it's crazy because it's all kind of tied together and it makes complete sense I think I think people are

going to listen this and are going to make complete sense out of this I really do I mean there's there's things that like that you said talking about some of these stories about the hollow earth that sounds crazy until you just keep listening, right? I mean, it's one of those things I think now it's like, there are more people nowadays that are continuing to listen. Rather than shutting off the outside world or the outside theories, I think more people are realizing that so much of what they know and learned and was put into a law almost as a fact was technically a theory.

The same thing as many other theories. And I think that's what's good about technology nowadays. We have a chance to have ideas, to share ideas. That's what I think is one of the biggest issues with, you know, the United States and social media and everybody trying to hinder freedom of speech. No matter what the speech is, you know, whether I agree with you or whether I don't, the consensus of ideas is where we get ahead, right? no matter whether it's good or bad,

I think there's no intelligent life form. If there's another life form, which I believe there is, another planet, there's no way that you silence what you don't agree with because what you may not agree with may be something that is integral to your advancement. And I think you just kind of,

it's just, I don't know. Put the nail on the head. Yeah, we're in a great place. The crazy thing is we're in a, we're in a scary place. A lot of people think that ever, you know, This is the end of times. Yeah, what's good is bad and bad is good nowadays,

which I believe that seems like is what's going on. But we're also in a great place because people are waking up. They are seeing things the way we've never seen things before. The power of the people to see and realize the things out there that we've always been blinded to is a great threat to the people that are trying to hide it right now. And that's why the censorship and the attempt at control of the people, now is greater than ever. And it's because people are getting smarter.

They're more technologically advanced. And I think the people that created the technology didn't realize that this could be a weapon against them that are trying to hold the secrets. And so it's crazy kind of everything you just said. Rodney, I believe that's 100% correct. And we're going to have to wrap it up for this episode. But Rodney, look, we're probably going to have another episode

or two on this because literally we could talk about for days. I think this could be our longest podcast so far, I believe. Yeah, we're going to have to bring him back on because, I mean, he just hit the tip of the iceberg. Yeah, I mean, this hollow earth is endless, I think. In my book, I talk about the celestial destiny of our hollow earth, and I describe how the scriptures indicate that this earth is actually alive.

It's a living being. Okay. I agree. And it was baptized at the time of Noah's flood. Okay. In a baptism, you have to be submerged underneath the water. The earth was at that time, no mountains around the world. There were just rolling hills.

So the Noah's flood, actually, the water came from the hollow earth. The earth gave a big bulge, and out came all this water, and out came all the mammoths that were inside the All the Earth and ended up on the tundra of Siberia. And it's probably happened several times since. But this earth is going to die and it's going to be resurrected. And it's going to be the celestial glory of those who are worthy to live on it. And in my book I talk about this one lady that was taken by two angels to our outer son where she says that our outer sun is hollow and inside Jesus and all the apostles and resurrected

saints are at this moment building the new Jerusalem and she describes it so beautiful that when after the resurrection of the earth it will be brought back to earth I think it'll probably take the place of the inner sun and in the resurrected earth and that's what we have to live for if we follow our Lord and Creator Jesus Christ and obey his commandments so it'll be worthy to live on this earth when it becomes a star. Yeah, and Rodney, you know, in the Bible it says, I know you're a little different religion I am, but in the Bible it does say that when he comes back, he will bring heaven to earth. It says it. And this is where heaven will be is here. And whether it be on the surface, there will probably be both.

Well, probably the VIP people that the people that are really good are in the hollow earth. I'm just kidding. Well, I do believe that they are more righteous than we are. They are, as well as the people of Venus are more righteous than our world. We have more earth. It's not hard to do, though. It's where God plays Satan and his angels that were cast out of heaven. And so they tempt us day and night.

And so a lot of people succumb to those temptations. But soon when Jesus Christ return, he will be rounded up with all of his devil angels and cast into the bottomless bit. And as right now, the inner sun is paradise. It will change places. Here is hell because we're being tempted by the devils. It would be cast into the inner sun. It will become hell. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, you're right. I agree 100%. Well, Rodney, we definitely appreciate you coming up. on and look we're probably going to have a part two and part three of this because you know we like I said I think there's so much more we can talk about on this for sure but Rodney before we let you go what say your website one more time and your book and where can they purchase your book and all that stuff well you can purchase it my book on my website is our hollow earth.com and I have it in several

kinds of e-books and also paperbook through Amazon. Okay. But you can also purchase it through my book, which gives you, I'm in my website that gives you a link to Amazon where you can get the paperback. The e-books that I have on my website, I have also in Spanish. For any visitors out there that speak Spanish, I'm originally from Mexico, so people would ask me to translate it to Spanish, and I have. made it available.

That's awesome. Well, Rodney, look, we really, really appreciate your time. We're definitely going to keep in touch you. We're going to bring you back because I think this subject is very interesting. Yeah, and it does. It makes sense to everything that we talk about. Yeah, because, look, we have done episodes on a lot of things by now. We've got almost 100 episodes now.

There's some things I don't believe. And this is one I was excited to do because I believe there is some merit to this for sure. And I'm glad that we got to talk to you. And I hope that you'll come back on the show soon and we can discuss further because I think there's so much more to talk about that revolves around the Hall of Earth. But yeah, we definitely appreciate you coming on, Rodney. Well, I appreciate being on your show this evening. And I would encourage everyone to visit my website and get a copy of my book. And I'm always continuing trying to find more. more evidence on Earth being hollow as well as the moon, the stars are all hollow out there.

Even European space probe to Mars determined that Phobos, the moon of Mars is hollow. It's 30% hollow. They had radar penetrating, ground penetrating radar. They determined that it's hollow has the atmosphere inside. It even has a magnetic field, so it probably has a little sun inside of it. Yeah, I saw about that. And so next time when we bring you on, I kind of want to talk about maybe the next time we bring you on. I want to talk about us.

I want to talk about Mars. I want to talk about other planets and all that. And I want to talk about some things that we've done scientifically on Earth that have kind of talked about it as well. So we'll definitely have you back on to talk part two of Hollow Earth. Rodney, thank you so much. All right. Thank you. Yeah, thank you, Rodney.

Have a good one. That was Rodney Club. man, he is, he's very knowledgeable. He is very knowledgeable. But you have to, like, listen for a while to understand where he's coming from in his thinking. Like, you can't just, like, automatically assume you know something. Yeah.

You have to have an open mind and think about, like, what he's actually saying. And then it does really open your mind and it makes sense. Look, I'll be honest with you. You start listening to, like, some of the, like, the admiral going into the hole or whatever. And then, you know, but then I actually looked some of this stuff. And the reason I wanted to look up the hollow earth. And by the way, guys, for all of you out there that have been here is an hour and 51 minutes, I was probably one of our longest podcast.

But wanted to hear everything he said. But for those of you that want to look up the hollow earth and try to investigate scientifically or like how possible is this, right? Go to duck. Go to websites that is weird. Google blocks almost everything, the hollow earth. Yeah, because they don't want you to know about it. Yeah, it's strange.

But go to... And there's people like Rodney that spent their whole lives, like, researching this. Yeah, and there's... And by the way... You should go to his website as well. Yeah, our hollow earth.com, I'm both. Oh, you are. But listen, there is a lot...

There's a lot of scientific evidence. They're, in my opinion, looking at a lot of stuff. I mean, there's a lot of scientific evidence that really backs up this possible hollow earth theory. Just as much as the theory of a solid earth. It makes complete sense when, I mean... Everything he said. The Aurora Borealis, yeah.

Yeah, actually, if you look, because it's interesting, I've never understood the solar winds theory. Yeah. Of Aurora Borealis. Yeah, it never makes sense. It doesn't make sense. That does not make sense, yeah. But like he says, if you really look at the Aurora Borealis,

it looks more like it's coming from the ground rather from the sky. And it makes sense. I mean, and then he talked about these Voyager missions and stuff, them from some of our long from our launched crafts that we've we have crafts out there forever away I mean we have crafts that make our earth look like a

speck on their high-deaf cameras now that launched in the 70s there's like I don't know millions of miles away now or something I don't know but yeah some of these things have captured Aurora Borealisus on other planets that don't even have a sun which by the way Aurora Borealis was supposedly caused

by solar winds but they have no sun so where is it coming from? Yeah exactly It may prove the theory of our auroroborialysis coming from our core. Yeah, just like Neptune and Uranus, all these places that only, you know, aren't close enough to the sun to even have the light of the sun on them. I mean, that made complete sense. Yeah, and he was talking about scanning devices on other planets. We actually have had scanning devices on Earth that have kind of depicted more towards a hollower, oceanic, you know, platform stuff. And not only that, there's been a lot of people share images that these people, that's what they do.

They take these images of the NASA Mars rovers, which are extremely high-deaf images. They go through these images. I mean, I'm talking about meticulously. And there's been a couple people find, like, man, well, I'm not going to say man, somebody made things on Mars. Oh, even the moon. Yeah, the moon. They're saying there's buildings on the moon. Yeah, Google Earth has blocked a lot of these images out.

You know, they can do that. They did that with Area 51 in certain parts. Google Earth does it and all that thing. They hide shit that they don't want us to see. Yeah, all the images that are released to the moon and stuff is weird. Man, this universe is so crazy. But you know what the crazier thing is? It's like, man, if we like, like how that has?

hell those people expect us and know anything about space like and and and and and the question when they're like hiding stuff from us well we only have we only know five percent of our ocean we can't even figure out our own damn planet and and and people are going to try to say even have i mean is i guess it's just crazy like how stupid we are as people like if you really think of the big picture like if we're really that dumb like if we're really that dumb if we're so dumb that we cannot figure out any more than 5% of our own planet, we can spend trillions of...

We just signed a bill today, a trillion dollars for all this crazy bullshit. Most of it's socialist bullshit. But yet we can't sign a 10 trillion... Like, if you're going to spend trillions of dollars, right, and cause inflation, why don't you use it for something useful? Like, hey, let's take the discovery of the ocean

from 5 to like 50%. Let's, like, actually figure out what the hell is on our own planet. Maybe they don't want us to know. that. Or maybe they actually know more. Maybe it's like they know more like when because you know, we know the deep state is Illuminati and all these other people behind. But he had a good point of all that. And like that has another thing to do with it. Like they don't want us to know anything. They want us to be dubbed down and not know anything else. Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, why would he bring that? I mean, he brought up things that we really like research. Oh yeah. Well, it was

complete sense in the context that he was talking about it. Well, we've talked about New Orator. We've talked to Illuminati. We've talked about all that shit. The Rockefellows. The Rockvillows. And the Rothschilds, yeah. And so it's kind of funny how I tied that all together, even though he literally only has listened to one of our episodes, which was the COVID, I think, a pandemic episode.

But it's funny how he basically tied all those. He's a smart guy. And, you know, he's, look, he's been on, which next time we bring him on, we need to go into. The ancient aliens, his appearances, how he got on that. I want to know all about that. You guys can look him up on ancient aliens and figure out, go to look at his IMDB. But definitely go to his website. I mean, he took the time out.

Yeah, to come on here and talk to all of us. So I thought that was really cool. Yeah, go buy his book, man. Read it. I think it would be pretty interesting. Dang, I want to read it now. I think it'll be an interesting book. It's like crazy.

But guys, yeah, it's Saturday night. We spent our Saturday. tonight with you guys. I don't know when you'll be listening this episode, but I think it's interesting. I think this episode is extremely interesting. I think we have to, if nothing else, like, just keep this in mind. Everything we have learned, and look, I extensively researched this. I looked at, okay, hollow earth, and then I looked at like, okay, well, so what is the rebuttal of Hollow Earth and what is the scientific proof that it don't exist, right?

And literally they're going off of, they're still going off of shit from 1700s for these two like, what do you even call these people? Not theorists, but philosophers. Philosophers, yeah. Like, they're going off of a couple dudes

that said, no, that's, no, that's... 1700s. Yeah, but there were more guys in rebuttal to these guys that rebutted them to begin with than there were, the two people that rebutted them. And then they say, so then their theory of why it's not is because supposedly we have sent signals across whatever to hell, core, mantle, all this bullshit.

And that's what I wanted to ask him was one question is, do the poles, can you go, like, right through the earth from one pole to another? Are there, like, all these tunnels? Look, please God, let there be a hollow earth. I want to go there. Like, can we all get together? Let's do it GoFund me for us to go. a hollow earth. Because I'm telling you, in 2021, I want to go to the fucking hollow earth. Like, I want to go there. As long as Sleepy Joe is not

down there as a fucking president. And, well, I mean... Well, you know, to me, what it sounds like is that's where... I wonder who's president down there. Damn, that would be crazy. But we didn't really get into that, but who is down there? Who lives down there? Is it aliens? Is it people like us? Well, no, he did

talk about that. The lost tribes of Israel. Yeah. The 10 lost tribes. And that's his belief. And they live like a long, longer than we do on Earth because the situation is like better down there. But let's put this in perspective. That's his belief. Yeah. The scientific part of it is if we can prove that there is a hollow earth, then whoever is down there, right?

If it's these flying saucers, is that the lost tribes of Israel? I don't know. I'm just saying that's his belief on it. I would like to get more into why he believes that, which he didn't talk about that. but it could also be extraterrestrials from outer planet, or it could be an advanced civilization from our own Earth. Yeah, people in the 1930s, 20s, whatever, went down there. No, no, no, I think he was talking about, like, way before that.

No, I'm talking about when planes went in there the first time. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He said there are people waving at them down there. Yeah, which is nuts. Which I've heard this. I've actually read this. I've actually read this. A little funnel that goes thinner towards the core or whatever, but.

Yeah, I've actually read that. I mean, yeah, I mean, when he talked about that, I didn't, I read. I read a little bit on it. I didn't know the whole thought of that. But I mean, but even still, I mean, these, whatever they are, if there are people, right? I mean, which I don't know. I mean, that's a whole other debate. Are they human beings or are they extraterrestrials?

Well, he's saying the Guard of Meadens down there. So, yeah, he knows. They are descendants from Adam. It's crazy. I don't know. Man, this whole thing is crazy. I'm glad we talked about it because, I mean. It just opens your mind.

to like think outside the box. No, it does. It absolutely does. Guys, listen, it's been two hours. I think it's our longest episode ever. Yeah, and I really enjoyed listening to what he had to say. So I thought that was really cool. I appreciate you coming on. Rodney. We really appreciate that. Guys, we're going to have a part two and part three of this. We're going to dive deeper in this.

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