Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Idaho Student Murders Podcasts | True Crime Podcasts | More Than Likely Not A Student Pt 3

Episode Date: December 17, 2022

There has been a lot of information come out since the University of Idaho Students were brutally murdered in the middle of the night in Moscow Idaho. On tonights episode, we discuss the latest NEW INFORMATION in the case, the more than likely chance that this was not a college student, but potentially an experinced killer. Join us for this Idaho Student Murders Podcasts

It's just for a minute. I'd fall asleep and not dream about you to admit it. I'm out of ideas. I don't know what the other times I think of each of you when it's shiver. Hello and welcome to Investigator's podcast. I'm your host, Chad, alongside my wife, Sherry. Hope everyone is doing fantastic out there on this December 16th, 2020 evening. Welcome to the show, guys.

On tonight's episode, we are going to discuss part three of the Idaho student murders. We're going to talk about the latest news, the latest speculation. What is going on with this case? Are police close to Sovinists? Do they have any suspects?

You know, there's so many things that are across the internet and media right now. And look, we've listened and saw all of them. And we've literally heard every rumor from the dog did it. to aliens. I mean, literally, it's crazy. It is crazy and it's frustrating.

Yeah. I mean, this has been over a month of people literally doing this 24-7, trying to help out the police, looking at body cam, looking at videos, going through videos, finding cars, doing this, doing that, trying to help the police. The police are getting thousands and thousands of tips a day, which I know is appreciated, but I'm sure it's hard to go through. But there's so many people out there around the world that wants this to be solved

because this is just a travesty of what happened to these four innocent, poor children. And they aren't children, even though college, to me, they're babies. You know, they're still babies. And that's why I think this case is so out there is because it really hits home and hits everyone's heart around the world. And I so much want this to be solved. And it's just getting frustrating because you think over a month something would happen or they would come up with some kind of suspect or anything to give us hope that they're going to solve this murder. And soon we're going to talk about the latest information that's coming out.

We're going to talk about the theories, speculations, and how we feel like maybe the police are thinking maybe they have a suspect and not kind of. It's all. There's certain actions that police are taking. the twisting of their words is the way that people and I look at, okay, well, they're saying this now. So maybe we're getting somewhere. Maybe, you know, we have a little bit of hope going out there. Yeah.

And so guys, just to update you, or not update you, but just to kind of lay it out for the very few people that may listen to this episode that have not heard about this. In the early morning hours of November 13th, a mass murder took place in Moscow, Idaho. And it involved four university Idaho students who were stabbed to death. And they lived off campus. And it was a three-story rented home. And so so far, the authorities have not yet identified any suspects. The investigation has been marked by a reversal of police statements as to whether the community may be at risk.

Any lack of apparent progress in solving the case. There is family members that are frustrated. There is the public that is frustrated. And, you know, we'll talk a little bit about that. but also there are some things that we have mentioned on previous episodes that we will go back to tonight. Number one being the skinned dog that was no more than three miles from where this home was. We're going to talk about the white Hyundai Alantra that the police have been adamantly searching for. They are actually now have over 20,000 records of Hyundai Alantras.

And as actually I believe it was today recently, they said that they are going to expand their search area for a white Hyundai Alontera, which, which, you know, if they've already got 20,000, then you can imagine if they're going to expand their area of search and for the Hyundai Alantra, then that's probably going to give them even more results. But one thing I want to start off by saying is, before we get into this, guys, if you want to reach out to us, if you want to give us your theories,

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or anything. We have done this podcast for four years now. And we've talked about every subject around the world from war to conspiracy to COVID to, you name it. We've talked about it. And one of the things that I believe our podcast has done so well over

the millions of people that have listened over the past four years is that we have connected with our audience for four years. And a lot of that has really worked out for us in it. And I believe, you know, we've done some previous murders before. And we actually helped solve a murder before. And I think what's really important here is people connect with us because we're just here trying to find the truth. We want to find the truth for people, for everyone. We don't want this hidden stuff around. So it's really important to us when we do a podcast, we are.

Yeah, let's connect. I mean, let's be, you know, our core listener base is our family. I know a lot of you guys are going to be new listening to Idaho student murders, but, you know, we really do interact with our audience a lot. I mean, we've done that over many different subjects over the past four years. And so if you guys have anything to share with your thoughts or opinions, especially based on anything that we talk about tonight, please go follow us on Facebook or Twitter

go send us a message let us know your thoughts and we may talk about that in the next episode and honestly hopefully the next episode it'll be solved somebody has been captured yeah so for those of you don't know so this is an interesting

situation obviously you don't typically have college students that are stabbed to death and you know in and out just like they were a ghost in the middle of the night and that just doesn't happen very often. But let me tell you about a case that was somewhat similar.

This was Daniel Harold Rowling. And so he was known as the Gainesville Ripper. He was an American serial killer. He murdered five students in Gainesville, Florida, over four days in August 1990, and he later confessed to raping several of his victims, also committing a triple homicide in his home city of Shreveport, Louisiana, and attempting to murder his father in May of 19,

So in total, he confessed to killing eight people. He was sentenced to death for the five Gainesville murders in 1994. He was executed by lethal injection in 2006. So besides that case, right, there have been serial killer murders that go after college students. Yes, Ted Bundy. Yeah, Ted Bundy's one. There's been many others. College students for a lot of different reasons are,

in some ways easy targets. I mean, I don't want to say that in a bad way. And look, we're talking specifically about serial killers at this standpoint. But, you know, if this is a passion, a crime of passion, a targeting incident, if this is something that someone is pissed off at someone because they did something to them, right? You're going to have so many people, especially considering this forsome that were murdered, were apparently very popular in the University of Idaho.

And when you have popularity, you have a large group of friends. You have a large group of people that you connect with. And you also have a large group of people that know everything about your business. I mean, that's just the way life goes. Yeah, like that's your outside circle. Exactly. Yes. So when you have all these people and know all about your business, and then you say that, okay, so this murder may have happened because a college

situation happened to where someone pissed off someone or someone she's on someone's boyfriend or whatever the case may be or a fraternity situation to where Ethan was pissed off someone or someone pissed off Ethan and vice versa and there were words exchange which are rumors as well you know it's interesting to say that like you know you take that and say okay this is a this is some kind of revenge thing this is a targeted thing

I don't know because that to say that a college student based on being pissed off, right, about a situation that, say, one of them angered someone else on campus, to make them as mad to go and get a knife and stab four people to death, to me is far-fetched. I mean, I know that sounds interesting and crazy, but there's been all the speculation around the knife. And so the first thing I want to get into on this podcast,

we're going to talk about the Hyundai Launcher. We're also going to talk about a new vehicle that has been spotted in the body cam that so far the police have not yet talked about. They've not yet asked for the public's help in identifying the vehicle. We're going to talk about that. We're also going to talk about the neighbor. We're going to talk about the neighbor, the one that said he heard the screams in the night. and he did an interview with a true crime,

I guess YouTube channel, I believe, and then they went on law on crime, and we're going to kind of evaluate his, at least some of the things he said. His demeanor. His demeanor. We're going to talk about all that. But let's talk about the Dr. Phil episode first.

So Dr. Phil had an episode. It was, I think it was last week, if I'm not mistaken. It could have been the beginning of this week. And Dr. Phil came on there. He had FBI profile and experts, and he had, I think it was either Daily Mail or Daily Wire. One of the two, I believe this was the one that actually broke the story on, well, she broke a couple stories, actually. But she was, I think she broke the story on the neighbor.

And I think she may have even broke the story on the Hyundai Alontera, if I'm not mistaken. But regardless, Dr. Phil, now Sherry used to watch Dr. Phil a lot. Oh my gosh, I'm a Dr. Phil fanatic. Like, that's all I do is go to own and watch all the episodes. But I have not been watching him recently. And unfortunately, when we're watching the episode, I was so tired because of work. I accidentally fell asleep. So, Chad will know more about the Dr. Phil episode than I know.

Well, most of the Dr. Phil episode, for those that have not watched it, most of the episode was everything that we already know. and they just basically covered everything that we and all of us have already covered. And one of the things I want to try to do in this episode is I want to try to cover things or at least have analog or not analogies, but just some different thoughts on certain issues or certain scenarios of this crime that maybe other people have not had yet. But one of the things, Dr. Phil, they talked all about everything this happened. and they had this FBI profiler, which we have talked about, I believe, in the second episode. And this FBI profiler, he is a criminal profiler.

He is someone that knows and tries to evaluate someone's demeanor or who this person would be based on what happened at the crime. And so one of the things he had said was he still believes, and he has said this before on Fox News. He went then on Dr. Phil and said, I don't believe that this person. person has not killed before. This does not seem like a first time killing. And I 100% agree with that. Now, I was in law enforcement before. I was not an FBI profiler.

I was not in any of that stuff. But what I am saying is, is that this killing, this brutal stabbing of four people and so far getting away with it, right? would be extremely hard for a college student to pull off and still be loose and free as we speak over a month later right right it would just that would be hard yeah and especially considering if it was someone that was closely related to the situation the inner circle people and I think a lot of us would get so we dig so deep into things that we don't step back and think about what is the simplest the simplest what we think happen.

Our gut feeling. Yeah, our gut feeling, you know, when we get all these rumors stirring and listening to this and listening to that, we get so involved in knowing everything in our brains that we know about these people, which is a lot. Our brains just go everywhere in every direction and that's where all these theories are coming up with. But we have to stick with, number one, the facts and number two we have to stick a stick with the most simplest thing of what could have happened which is like Chad said I feel like it was very unlikely it was a college student that that did this well yeah and so so so so so to break down two things of what you said and and I think this is um you can take that either way right because I think aren't our thinking and and what I was

what I was saying is like the likely this would be a college student and still be getting away with it is, to me, slim. But when you first hear about four college students that are murdered, they're popular students, what is the first thing that probably comes to mind? Well, they had to be targeted because... Yeah, they had people that didn't like them are jealous. Yeah, these kids are in everybody's parties. They're the life of the party.

They're whatever the case may be. They interact with so many different people. And so obviously, initially, you would think that, well, it's got to be. some kind of they pissed off the wrong person they did this but the longer this goes i think the less likely a targeting specifically based on an interaction that they had on campus is plausible now also i do want to say one thing and we're going to talk about the white car but i want to mention this in this theory right so you have a honda launcher okay and you have this honda launcher that uh what it seems to be that the police believe that,

at least from what they're telling the public, it almost sounds like they truly believe this is probably the murder, right? Yeah. Or the getaway car or whatever. They're not telling people, but it's almost like they're letting us infer this. Yeah. You know?

So if this was the murderer, right? And it was a college student that had the Honda launcher, right? Well, how much they are looking for this vehicle right now, that college student would definitely not be able to come back in a Honda launcher to campus. And so therefore, at the very least, this car would not be on campus anymore or they would not be in college anymore, right? They would have to, you know, inadvertently leave school. Now, there's been people that said that.

There's been people that said, okay, well, you know, if this was a college student and they were driving Honda and launcher, then someone would probably notice their, them missing or absent from school. And there's been no reports of that so far, right? But listen, there's so many people absent from school right now because of this. Thanksgiving break and now Christmas break. But it's not even that, just the fact that there are many kids that are not coming back to school because of this. They're too scared to come back to school, you know, and that murray. is going to use that if he was a college unit to his advantage, obviously. And you think about there's, like Chad said in the beginning, there's over 20,000 registered

white Hyundai Alantras alone. Within that specific area. And then people have been researching all these compact white cars. Well, Toyota Corolla's look like them. There's so many other cars that look so similar to the specific car they're looking for. It's kind of scary because you go look at all the parking lots around the Idaho area where the off campus is. There's white compact cars everywhere. So right now, if I was driving a white compact card, I would feel like, oh, my God, I'm going to be targeted because I'm in a white car.

And it's a compact car, you know? Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I mean, there are white cars everywhere. Honda-Launchers. By the way, statistically, do want to mention this. statistically, Honda-A-Lontras are driven by women

by a long shot more than they're driven by men. And that is just a statistical fact. If you look at a list and you can find them online as far as the most driven vehicles by men, you've got to go down a very long list

to find a Honda-A-Lonter. I'm not saying that this is a female. I'm just saying statistically. Hyundai-Launchers are actually, I believe like number seven for cars for female drivers, right? So, or somewhere around there. Now, that doesn't mean that, you know, that this person is a female because they drive a Honda-A-Lontera. I just want to point out that it is statistically a female-driven vehicle.

So we want to make sure that we understand that. So going back to the Dr. Phil show, Dr. Phil, he talked about everything we've talked about. the FBI profiler said that, hey, this person more than likely this is not his first killing, okay? This is something this FBI profiler, which by the way, this guy is extremely, he is extremely experienced in homicide investigations. He's extremely experienced in criminal profiling for the FBI. He was one of the top criminal profilers in the FBI. I've actually done my research on this gentleman.

and one of the things that brought me to, and it's not even necessarily about the actual murderer as far as the crime itself with the four victims that this person probably has killed before, right? This goes back to the dog. The flayed... Oh, no, no. The skinned dog, not Murphy.

The skinned dog. That is three miles away from this house about a month earlier to the murders. Well, there's one thing to Dr. Phil said. And look, Dr. Phil, he's been used as an expert witness in, I mean, probably a thousand-plus criminal investigations as far as psychology. Dr. Phil himself is probably as good as FBI criminal profilers are as far as psychology side of things. Because he has been used as an expert in figuring out what would someone do or what wouldn't they do and vice versa. And one of the things Dr. Phil had said on his show was he just does not believe in coincidences like this.

Okay. He just doesn't believe that. Now, we can all see here on the podcast and say, oh, well, you know, the police said it's not related. Officially they have said that, right? So let it go. We're not even going to talk about anymore. Yeah. And so we had talked about this on our second episode and even maybe our, I think our first episode.

But to say for the police that completely dismiss the dog slaying, and for those of you don't know, there was a dog three miles away from the murder, from the Idaho murders, about a month earlier, and it was an older couple that every night they let their dog out, and when they let their dog out, he usually comes back in about five or ten minutes after he used the bathroom,

and this particular night, he did not come back. And this was about a month prior to the Idaho murders. So there was many people that went out and looked for him, and so on. They found him skinned. They found him filleted. And the only thing that was basically left of him with fur, right, was his head, parts of his feet. And pause.

Yeah. Makes me sad. And so this is just sadistic shit. Yeah, it is. You know. It's disgusting. Yeah. So the police, when this thing started rolling, the dog skinning, everyone wanted to come.

around and say, this has to be connected somewhere. And then the police came out and said, nope, it's not connected. Don't worry about it. Right away, they did that just like they cleared a lot of witnesses and a lot of people in the first two days. Yeah. Now, the dog thing, look, I get it. If you're a law enforcement agency and you have a college town.

And look, a lot of this is politics, guys. And one thing we freaking know as far as how government and all this stuff works is politics. Absolutely. Politics will determine how they address the public, what they say the public. It will determine anything. They do not, listen, I promise you, the police does not give a damn about what you or anyone else thinks, except for the fact they want you to believe you're safe, even if you are not, right? I mean, and that's just the truth. And so this dog situation that happened, if they came out and said, we believe this is probably,

connected, then this would more than likely cause hysteria. This would cause hysteria in the community because then you feel like you have this sadistic, satanic type serial killing psycho on the loose.

Yeah. And everyone's in danger. And then it basically shuts down a town. It's almost like if you remember the movie Jaws. And there, when they had these shark attacks initially and this great,

white was out there. They wanted to hide this. And they're like, no, no, we can not be, you know, saying there's great whites or whatever. And so it's very similar. It kills. Yeah, they kept the beaches open because they did not want to make people afraid to go the beaches or panic or do anything. So guess what? It happened to more people, though. Yeah. They got attacked. Yeah. So, and that's the thing is they're trying to, uh, they're trying to, uh, they're trying to, bring down the panic and the scaredness. They, they, you know, I'm sure. Well, they're saying be viligent and walking groups, being groups.

They are coming out and saying that. Yeah, but, and that's what I'm saying. The college, you know, I'm sure it's probably putting pressure to where don't scare the shit out of our town because, like, you know, if all of our college students leave, our town's basically done. Because that town is based around college. And it's very small. It absolutely. Very small. So I believe that the dog skinning is 100% related to these murders.

100%. I believe whoever murdered these college students slayed the dog. And there was also an instance of a rabbit, I believe, as well. A rabbit too, yeah. Was that the same house? Yeah. Yeah, I think it was the same house. But you have to think about, when you think about serial killers,

are people that are becoming murderers, we all know through. psychology and through shows that their first kill is not normally a person. Their first kill is normally an animal. Like even if they're a kid growing up, you know, they think it's funny to kill a bird or to kill a cat or a dog. This is how killers start out. They kill animals to begin with. They get their little whatever it is they get their, oh, I feel good because I killed something. They're adrenaline rush. Yeah. And then after that it's not enough and they need more right yeah you're right and that's when they start going after humans and it's pleasurable to them absolutely this is why they do this now um you're right 100%

serial killers do this and i know a little bit about serial killers and i'm not even i don't even want to go into that oh i was friends with a serial killer as well yeah you are yeah it's actually kind of weird how we both were i actually have a cousin that's a serial killers on death row i went out to dinner on a with a serial killer. Thank God I'm still here. Yeah, Todd Colop. Todd Colip. Yeah, from South Carolina.

If those he don't know, just look up Todd Colup. He's, you know, what was her name? Brown. Oh, Kayla. Kayla Brown. Yeah, Kayla Brown. He locked her in a storage container.

He killed her boyfriend. You know, and then he also killed another couple, and he killed four other people at a super bike store. His thing was more about control, I believe. He was pissed off. This is some sadistic shit in his mind that he wanted control over a woman, really. And he also wanted to control a woman and then killed her boyfriend because their boyfriend had the woman that he never could get or felt like he couldn't get or wasn't good enough to get, right?

Oh, my gosh. And that goes to the other speculations of these guys that can't be with the popular girls, the guys that don't get women, the guys that don't have sex, the guys that won't, you know, they, girls. just don't like them. These guys are very deprived, I think, and that kind of makes them sick as well. Absolutely. But yeah, anyways, yeah, I went out with Todd Kolop. I met him through real estate, whatever, but it was very interesting, you know, thinking back now, talking to him, you know, the few times, I talked to him a lot on the phone, went out to dinner with him. He even told me, he's like, you should not mess with me. I'm like the devil. Like, he told me that straight up. And, you know, A lot of times people tell you these things and say, hey, by the way, I'm the devil.

He's trying to save you from himself. Yeah. And, you know, he, Todd Coleap, and this has something to do with this. Todd Colop used to go on Amazon, and he used to give reviews of Amazon. Yeah. Yeah. Of Amazon products. And he would say, like, I would, you know, he would have like a, I don't know, he review, like,

straps or a chain or something like that. He would say, yeah, it would be perfect to wrap up someone if you wanted to get rid of them and kill him or whatever. You know, just making these crazy, yeah, these crazy Amazon jokes, but they turned out to be real, right? And so sometimes you don't know people that are, that are kind of blatant with stuff,

but it sounds like they're just normal people talking. Right. These are, this is what people that are sadistic, narcissistic, and sociopaths are going to do. Because I think they can get away with it, yeah. Yeah, they absolutely do. And they are so prideful. and they're so egotistical that they say, hey, you know what?

I can be around here. They ain't going to catch my ass. And I'm even going to give them clues and they're never going to know it. And then I'm going to laugh at them. Yeah. But these are people, not necessarily college students, these are people that are more mentally unstable, probably more than likely have committed other murders. This is what it goes back to the dog thing.

And by the way, I don't even think the dog thing, if this person that we're talking about also did the dog, right? Mm-hmm. I don't think that was probably his first thing he's killed. I think he's probably killed other people. We've talked about the other murders in Washington, I believe, in Oregon. There's dates that are weirdly connected and stabbing. They're all stabbing.

But I think, if anything, the dog thing, the dog skinning was more of a warning or a sign to where he wanted someone after these four murders that he already probably maybe knew. a month ago, he wanted people to be like, hey, do you remember that? Did you hear about that dog that got skinned? Yeah, dude, that was me. This is the mental thing that they want you to think about when these four kids get murdered, right? So this is sadistic shit. So now the latest is at least speculation. We don't know for certain, but it's also not surprising.

the two roommates that the surviving roommates have potentially hired attorneys. Now, this is something that has been speculation across the internet. Well, why are they going to hire attorneys if they're innocent? Well, listen, guys, I got to tell you. It's not that they're guilty. It's that, you know, the amount of shade and craziness is being thrown at them and speculation, you have to protect yourself, number one. and whether or not they had anything to do with it or nothing to do with it,

you're going to hire an attorney. You have to. I mean, you have to figure out the best way to protect yourself, your name and your image and everything about your life. I mean, were they both freshmen? Yeah, they're both freshmen. They were both freshmen. They're just getting into college.

And now they were a part of, or at least in the house. when four of their roommates were stabbed to death brutally, and now they have the entire internet. Yeah, and they were spared. Coming after them. Yeah, and I don't think it's a, I think it's a half and half thing, but I think there is a lot of speculation pointing fingers towards the surviving roommates because why were their lives spared

and the other four were not. Yeah, absolutely. And to me, if I had a daughter that was in this house, thank God I didn't, but I would be hiring an attorney on day one. for my daughter. Just saying if she, you know, I don't even care what.

Well, especially as soon as people started accusing. Yeah. And that's where a lot of theories are going towards as people are pointing fingers to the surviving roommates. And let me tell you why. I think there's speculation from the neighbor interviews talking about, you know,

they heard screams, they heard dogs barking. The door was open at 8.30. These are all speculations. These are neighbors that are like shady. I feel like. and we can go into detail about that. But when you have neighbors kind of pointing out these things, like, yeah, I heard a scream.

I heard a dog. The door was wide open. Then people start thinking about if all this was happening, how did these roommates possibly not hear anything, right? And if they did hear anything, why didn't they call 911? Okay. But there was some stuff going around, which I don't know how true this is or not. but was there not some stuff going around that the roommates went into each other's room? I don't know exactly where that came from.

There is speculation that one was afraid, so they ended up going into the same room and locked their door. And they did hear things, but this is a party house, right? So they heard scuffling or whatever. But they were supposedly scared. Now, we don't know if that's 100% true or not. We don't know. I would love to know if that was true, because, like, if that was true,

If it is true, and guys, listen, please, if you know the dirty details of this or whatever the case may be about whether the roommates, where that came from, that one of them went into the other one's room because they heard something, which could all be bullshit. Yeah, it could be. And there's a lot of speculation that Murphy was with the two surviving roommates, which to me would make sense of why Murphy has no evidence of any murder stuff going on. Yeah, so what Sherry's talking about. So they did, the Goncabe's family, did an interview, and then the police actually came out and said that there is no evidence whatsoever that the dog was in the crime scene. But it sounds like the dog was present at the home during the murders. And so obviously part of this and part of the internet rumors and all this stuff, people are asking questions. are saying, well, you know, if this is not the surviving roommates dog,

and yet the dog was not in the scene whatsoever, and they just happened to be downstairs that night, and look, we don't know. Maybe the dog stays down there all the time. We don't know. But if they don't stay down there all the time, which would be interestingly weird if they did, especially considering whose dog was it, was Zanis?

No, it was Kaylee's dog. Kaylee's dog, sorry. And what it sounded like, Kaylee had a very good relationship with a dog with Jack, right? Oh, it was like they shared custody with his dog. Yeah. It's like their kid. So the likelihood of this dog staying downstairs with two freshman roommates, typically, would be rare, right? I mean, if you love your animal, more than likely that dog would have been sleeping with the roommate.

I mean, sorry, not with the roommate. With Kaylee. And Kaylee just happened to come. that day. Obviously, she owns the dog, so she brought the dog with her that day, right? Yes. So the dog no longer stays there like she did. I think that she had moved out only like a week prior. Yeah, but still, why, you know, but the question would be, why would the dog be downstairs?

Because if, according to everything we know about the crime scene, it is basically everything above the first floor. Right. The survival roommate's floor. So that's the second and third floor, prospectively, right? Right? And so if Kaylee comes home or comes to where she had stayed and brings her dog, which we seems like is pretty positively sure that the dog was there, but yet the dog was not involved in the crime scene, meaning the dog was downstairs, it would seem to me anyways, right? Why would Kaylee bring her love and, you know, because I know you, Sherry. Like I know and I know dog lovers and I and I also watched her TikTok videos of the dog and I know that's our babies.

Yeah and I think there was also conversations between her and Jack about the dog and yeah they love that dog right right they love that dog. So why would why would the dog potentially be downstairs? Because I mean otherwise it would not have I mean if the dog wasn't downstairs it would have been involved in the crime scene. Well other people speculate that the dog was locked. into the room that was vacant. That the killer could have locked the door, locked the dog into the vacant room, or the killer could have let the dog out.

And maybe that's why the neighbor supposedly heard the dog parking. Let him outside. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, there's so much speculation. It's because we don't know all the details. We don't know the factual details about this case. And just these little specific things would make a big deal

for all of us trying to figure out what is going on and how did this happen? Because it makes a lot of difference. If the dog knew the assailant, then that changes all the theories. If the dog didn't know the assailant and went crazy barking, why didn't the neighbors wake up? There's so many different ideas that go in and out. We don't know the facts. Yeah, and listen, you know, I mean, I've seen stuff where people were saying, well, I just, you know, the dog would attack it.

Now, look, man, there are so many dogs that bark and will never attack someone. It could be someone with, it could be someone with an AR-15 that comes to your house and your dogs to me like, I don't know what that is, but whatever. Yeah, I do have one dog that would probably, like, jump up and try to lick you in the face. Yeah. So, listen, the point to this is, though, is that the dog thing is very interesting. It is either the killer locked this dog in a vacant room, in my opinion, which is the only reason police would say he was not part of the crime. But I don't even think that you can lock a dog inside of a room and it's in it and it not be a part of the crime scene.

So it's either the dog was downstairs, which the the roommates took the dog downstairs, right? It's either that or it went outside, in my opinion. Because if you lock the dog in a room, I mean, I guess you could say then technically it's not part of crime scene, right? Right. Because you take the dog from the crime scene. But I don't know. That's an interesting theory. The dog thing is very strange.

So we don't know. Look, but what I do know is that the surviving roommates hiring attorneys is not uncommon. I mean, that's not necessarily saying they're guilty. But I know a lot of people are not guilty, but, you know, involved at all. And listen, I got to go back to this. These are two freshman girls. And, you know, I'm not saying that young girls cannot be very sadistic and crazy and get involved in something that they open themselves up to to infiltrate or do things to cause or allow things to happen based on something else.

I just don't believe this is the case here. And the reason I tell you that is because as we were talking earlier, I think this is a much more sinister, much more prolific killer. This is someone I think that is not a college student. And look, if we're wrong, I mean, I don't know. If we're wrong, it'll surprise me. It'll surprise me that a college student did this, especially based on something that they were pissed off about and the police have not arrested them.

Or even college students, because there's a lot of theories that it was more than one assailant, one watching out while one did the act. There's a lot of theories going on. There's a lot of theories, you know, according to going into a next theory of Ethan and Zana going to the frat party. You know, we've heard about the 4chan, and you can talk all about the 4chan what that thing is.

You know, is it an internet thing where people can remain unknown and talk freely. But we also know that that's a lot of bullshit. Yeah, is there right? There's a lot of conspiracy theories. 4chan is basically a place that people can go anonymously. It is an older internet platform. But, you know, for anyone wondering what the 4chan thing is, because we've heard the four chandale.

The four chandil is basically someone what seems to be a fraternity brother or whatever across the street or brothers that are saying they know who did it. It is two dudes and they even say like initials or something. Oh, they have their names. Their names, yeah.

We have it not crossed out on our screenshots. Yeah. So, you know, they're saying they know who did it. It's these two people. This is why kind of sort of they did it. I think it maybe had to do it do with the Ethan supposedly Ethan argument or fight?

Yeah and this has been going on for over a year and it had to do with Ethan calling people out and actually I've even heard rumors of people finding two guys in a room during a party I've heard all kinds of crazy stuff

but going I mean you hear everything but this theory is saying these fraternity brothers had it out for Zana and Ethan and they also had it out for Maddie

and in this theory they're saying you know Maddie kind of dogged on and ditched on them and Kaylee was in the wrong place at the wrong time in this theory she wasn't supposed to be there this was a planned out act this was supposed to happen but they didn't know Kayla was going to be there and that's why she got the

brunt of it yeah I mean and and all of that could be possible right I just you know and the deal was we do know though that those threads in 4chan were forwarded to the So we know that information is with law enforcement.

So if they are credible, I would, you know, look, beyond us talking about it and saying, well, this is very possible. Well, look, law enforcement, FBI and all that will know far better than we are. Right. And whether or not it's actually connected. And listen, Ethan's two siblings, you know, he's a triplet. His brother and sister were at the fraternity party that night. And there are speculations that there were some kind of scuffle that between Ethan and a

frat brother that Zana broke up but his brother and sister were there so if there was any details that involved these people I'm sure his brother and sister are going to speak out and say hey we saw this fight with Ethan and these other guys you need to look into that you know if that was the case I know law enforcement knows about that yeah you know absolutely um so let me also discuss something that uh there has been I guess questions about about. And this is kind of my thing. There has been people that said they have zero clue who possibly could be the suspect. Now there are things that could say differently with this. The main deal here is the lack of reward money from whether it be crime stoppers.

crime stoppers does rewards for homicides homicide rewards are a lot more money and in a lot of cases crime stopper uh crime stoppers will um you know put forth money and then either law enforcement or whoever will also put forth money and so the lack of reward could potentially mean they are on a trail that they don't need to offer reward money now we know the goncave's family are trying to raise money for reward money Both, anytime you say Kaylee's family, you have to say Kaylee and Mandy's family, because they really work as a team. They're doing everything together. So anytime you mention Kaylee as Maddie.

And they were best friends, so go figure. But it's these parents, they're like, why are you not offering a reward to help us get tips, right? Yeah, yeah. They were like pretty pissed off. And I think they actually called the police cowards. but if you go into history and think about other murder cases when rewards are posted

Well yeah So to follow up When rewards are posted It rarely Actually brings forth a suspect Or the person that actually committed the crime Rarely And even in the case that it does

Oftentimes the people that actually bring forth The person that actually committed the crime don't often even collect the reward. Right. And whether or not that they are, because a lot of times they can do this anonymously, but to collect the reward, they have to give information, obviously.

And so oftentimes when things, when people give tips or whatever it is that they could then collect the reward, they don't want to go and then give their information to even closely or remotely be involved in this whatsoever. because let's just be honest guys and this is something we talk about on our podcast often the justice system is very it's a very scary thing and it is a scary thing in in many ways you don't want to ever get involved in the justice system and you don't want to have um

you don't ever want the government to be involved in your life more than they have to be and so whether or not you may have known the suspect, whether or not you may have talked to the suspect the night before the murder, I mean, there are many different things that all of you should be probably thinking about when you're going to be like, hey, I need to give this tip, but I also do not want to be involved in this shit. Right. So I'm going to do this anonymously, and I'm not collecting a reward,

but I am not going to get myself in all this craziness. And so probably that's why the reward, money is even a lot of times not collected even if it actually leads to a rest so so the reward money thing yeah and i think that's why they're calling them cowards that they're like why aren't you offering reward money and there was a lot of speculation that they didn't want to put posters all over the place all over the campus up i know to scare kids away well but listen but everyone knows about this anyways yeah if that's what was said which i know you told me that and i was like are you serious Like four college students just got murdered with a knife.

And what you just said, I go back to the dog slain. Well, and it goes back to politics as well. Yeah, it does. But what I'm saying is, you go back to the dog slaying thing. It's like, if you're afraid to put up flyers or a reward or whatever the case may be, then you're damn sure not going to connect the dog, you know, skinning to this murder. Because if you think that a flyer is going to scare people, Imagine coming out and saying, look, there's a very good chance that this dog that was skinned by this older couple's household on 10 acres plus.

Right. It's connected to this. Yeah. And their dog is flayed like a fish. Yeah. Which, you know, in my mind tells me that's a sharp fillet knife. And this, whoever, going back to that real quick, whoever did that did that on purpose. They left the dog's head and fur and paws so that they could recognize their dog.

They wanted them to know that. Absolutely. Because that was his trophy. Yes. He didn't want it to not be unrecognizable. He wanted them to know, hey, this is what I did to your dog. Yeah, it was what it would be a statement killing. This was a statement killing.

Regardless of whatever he did with the fur or whatever, that's probably what he's hanging in his little basement. Oh, yeah. That's probably got a trophy. Yeah, it is. That is his trophy. And I'm guessing if it would be the same guy or somebody, you know, that has the same like mind set. I think he's the same guy.

He probably took some kind of trophy from their house. Absolutely. He's got something. It might be their panties. It might be anything. But he's got something of theirs. Yeah. In their house.

I believe that 100%. I think, you know, he probably looks at it and just loves it. No, he does. I mean, no, you're 100% right. I, we've talked about that before, just you and I. And we said, look, you know, if this is the guy, If the guy had anything to do with the dog, right? This dude also did that with the four murders.

He took something from them to where he can hang it on his wall or have it to look at. And it's like his trophy. It's like he won first place in killings, right? And stabbing's that night. And getting away with it. Yeah. And so that I 100% believe is tied together. The other thing is, is.

Steve Goncaves said that they cleared people too soon. And I want to mention this because we did mention the food truck guy, the hoodie guy, whatever. Right. Look, this dude 100% may not be involved whatsoever. We don't know. But one of the things I just want to mention, as Steve Goncavez in an interview said that, you know, look, people are telling me that, you know, number one, I think that people are clear too soon. Number two, people are coming to me and saying this guy is out of country. Yeah, in Africa.

Which apparently he is. Right. And what's weird about this whole situation is the cops did not find this food truck video. Guess who found it? His daughter did. Kaylee's sister found the food truck video. And that's the only reason we have like proof of this stuff is because she put it out there. Because she was trying to be a sleuth because she's like, you know, this is my sister.

I'm going to do whatever I can to get this information out because I want justice for my sister. Yeah, you know what the thing is, is like, I think the frustration that is coming from the families is that at the very least, a lot of the families said, you know, even the white car, you know, the Honda-A-Lontra, they heard about it along with the public. Everybody else, yeah, the same time. They did not hear about it from police first. They didn't, nothing. The police are just releasing this information to the public. And, you know, keep this in mind. one of the things and one of the reasons why they don't release names and homicides or certain situations that happen to the media until the next of kin, which aka the family are notified, is because it is extremely disrespectful to do that.

And so that doesn't just stop with once the murder happens. It continues throughout. The police should be updating the families every single day well before they talk to Fox News or MSNM. or whoever. They have to be letting the family know first and foremost what they have. Sorry, I just hit the mic. They have to be letting the family know first and foremost what they have and then releasing it to the public. But they cannot leave the family out of this.

This family was the ones that raised these kids from birth. These families deserve everything they can get information-wise well before any of us ever know it. and that is the frustration I believe that the families are experiencing and as they are finding out the same information the public is and that's bullshit. At the same time. It is bullshit at the very least.

And a lot of people say, oh, it's because they're doing all these interviews and letting out too much information for the murderer to get away with it and they're not helping the investigation progress the way it should be is the reason why they're saying they're not giving them as much information. But this is people speculating. But still, if it was my child that was murdered, I would want to know they're looking for a white car before they tell the whole public. Absolutely. 100%.

Yeah. I mean, and so just to sum that up, reward money, maybe possibly the reason that they are not, I guess, the reason are not offering or money, maybe they're on a trail. Maybe they're waiting on DNA evidence to come back. All of these things could be possible. Maybe they already know or potentially know who their suspect is. Me personally, in my heart, I don't believe that. I don't think they have a suspect. But if we want to talk about the reward money thing,

it could be because they are on a trail and they already know and they don't need reward money. Yeah. I think they... Maybe. In my opinion, I think they're finally on a trail because of the wording has changed in every update that they give. And it was like, at this time, we have no suspects, no persons of interest. They were just like straight out saying that. But now the wording has changed a little bit to make us think like, yeah, we're tracking these people.

And I'm pretty sure whoever was in this white car had something to do with these murders. Yeah, absolutely. And this is why they're looking to that. And as a matter of fact, today the, what is it? Not the sheriff, but the police chief. The police chief came out and said, we have looked at all the videos. very close in the proximity. We've got the video from the gas station.

We got the video from the liquor store. We've already analyzed that. We've analyzed 24 hours before and 24 hours after the murders occurred. And the liquor store, by the way, they also saw the white car, right? Yes, and this is not even in the same vicinity. It's like a couple miles away.

And for those of you that don't know, there was a gas station that went through and said, look, I'm going to look through hours. I think it was like eight hours of video and they found and saw the white car. This was a huge bombshell thing that came out. And then I guess come to find out

that a liquor store also saw a white car at around the same time. Now to talk about the white car, the white car's huge, right? The police, at least according to media reports, the police believe this is very much connected to the murder. They're not saying that,

but it sounds like they're saying and this car is the murderer, or at least a getaway car. But recently, as of today, there are other people that have watched the body cam video of the police officers. For those of you that do not know, there were a body cam video of police officers that were talking to underage drinkers at around 3 to 4 a.m. This was a pretty long body cam video.

It was like 20 minutes. They were standing directly across from, basically in between the frat house and the house where the victims were murdered. They're in the field. And so this is where the white car first came about. This is where the whole white car thing happened. And so also in this video, there are people that have pointed out that besides the white car, there was a black pickup truck. They believed to be a black pickup truck.

People that have looked at it, I saw it. Yeah, it looks like a black pickup truck or SUV. One of the two, but it's probably a black pickup truck. Leaving or going down the street away from the house. About the same time. And pretty much, for those of you that see the video, the white car is parked, I don't know if that. It's probably parked west. Yeah, it was like the fire hydrant right next to there.

The white car is parked west, I guess you can say, I believe. And this black car basically, or this black truck passes. It's on the same road that a white car is on. It just passes, though, at the same time. Now, listen, this is a college town, right? There are people that are driving probably and going from parties and doing this. stuff. And that night they had a huge football game.

Yeah. There's tons of out of towners coming in for the football game. But there's a lot of people saying, well, why are the police not at least trying to find out who the black truck was? And that is valid information, unless they have already identified the black truck, right? But, I mean, obviously, with the body can't footage, you're not going to see a license plate or any of that. So then, you know, maybe the police are like, that's just going to take us down a whole other

rabbit hole. What, you've got to do that. I mean, you potentially have to do that. That black truck could have been the killer. We don't know. But that is at least a new thing that people are saying, why are we not trying to find out what the black truck or the black SUV is? Right.

And talking about the white elantra, people are speculating that they see it on the body cam. The cops say, no, that's not why we're after them. That was not the evidence of why we're looking for this car. Really? Which, yeah, that's what they're saying constantly. but I don't see how they could say it's not because of that. But anyways, going back to the white compact car, it's in the body cam.

It's at the food truck in the mirrored image on the window. Well, at least there was a white car there. Yeah. Okay. Oh, gosh, and now I forgot the third place it was. Oh, and at the liquor store. Yeah. And the gas station.

So, okay. So that's one thing I have not researched or dug deep in a lot was the food truck. So there was so what's the deal with the food truck in the white car? In the food truck, if you look at the windows behind where, you know, the food truck's in the front. The kids are all like mingling and talking waiting for their food. Behind them is mirrored shops or the shops are like glass. But it's like a mirrored image and you can see the street. Yeah.

Right? It's like a reflection. I got you. And in that reflection, you can see a white car that pulls up and then pulls back and then goes around. the same type of car. And was this the time they were at the food truck? Yes. Okay.

The same type of car they're looking for. Now, everybody said, no, it's an elantra. It's not a corolla. It's not this. It's not that. It's not anything. But Howard's so sure that they know it's a 2011, 2013, Alantra.

What if it is a corolla? What if it is not the car that they suspect? I don't know. I'm sure they're pretty good at figuring out like a car, but I don't know. And there's 20,000. Elantra's alone and then if you put other compact cards into it there's like millions

but I'm just saying there's a coincidence that it's at all these places during the timeline You're right no I mean well I still go back to the Samantha Josephine case in South Carolina University of South Carolina student I still go back to if you we watched all of those videos we actually have the Samantha Josephan group on Facebook

It was one of the biggest groups during that. And, you know, I go back to all of the video footage we watched during her last hours. When she mistakenly got into Nate Rowland's car and thinking it was her Uber. But if you watch all of the surveillance footage prior to this while she was standing there waiting, and it was so, it eerily reminds me of these college murder. I mean, it was the same, it was the same college town. It was the same, not same college town,

but it was a similar, all college towns are the same. You got your college bars, you got the girls and the guys and they're all conversing and this and that. And you've got the outside life. You've got people that are not in college and you got all this stuff.

And so watching all these hours of surveillance footage with Samantha Josephine. And then knowing, and then once you knew who was, the murderer, knowing what that car was and watching this car. Circle around. Circle. Circle back again. He was just looking.

Went to a parking lot, chilled for a while, went back, finally picked her up. These are things that we're going to see, eventually probably, if this thing is solved. And I'll say if, if this thing is solved, these are things that could potentially, you're going to look at video and be like, God, Almighty, man. Like, it was right there. And that's what I saw with the Samantha Joe, you know, when you watch the, when you watch the video, you're like, oh my God, this is it. Like, this is crazy. And listen, for those of you out there right now, and I want to tell you this, I want to, I want to stress this. For those of you out there right now that are college students and especially females, you have to watch your ass today. This is 2022, guys.

I mean, this is, there are, not to get political, but I just, I want to. I want to make sure that you guys understand this. Our border is flooding right now. It is like a flash flood, like a Noah's Ark flood, of people that we have zero clue who they are. And they're coming from all around the world. And by the way, Mexico, Honduras, a lot of these places in South America, you know what their number one trade is, is females. It's not rice. It's not beans.

It's not corn. It's sex trafficking. Yeah, sex trafficking females. And I'm telling you females, college students, you very pretty girls out there that are out getting shitface, which, by the way, I used to do a ton. Oh, I do too. Yeah, I do too.

Everyone's on. But anyways, but listen, I can't help but to look at these videos and see these girls drunk because I've done. I've been there, done that. Right. And there are so many girls that do that. And that's normal. That's natural.

That's okay. That's what you're supposed to do when you're in college. Right. You have fun. You party. But listen, that also makes you very vulnerable. and it makes you, you know, it's not about, today in 2022, it's not about decisions you make based on should I have sex with this guy or should I not.

Should I go home with this guy or should not? That's not the question anymore. It's that should I live tonight or should I not? That is what you have to be asking yourself because there are people, there are predators out there right now that are part of cartels. They are part of sex trafficking, massive organizations around the world that are looking for you as college students out there right now. every city and the more the people

flood in over the border, the more across everywhere, they are setting up these organizations and they are looking for college students. And listen, I'm not saying this is connected, but what I am saying is this could even be bigger than we even know.

I mean, and I doubt that. I mean, we've heard speculation about like maybe this could be drug-related in some way that someone was connected with something. I don't necessarily believe that. But I just, I do believe that these, I do believe this murder was not, I just don't believe it was a careless college student that was pissed off. And I don't think it was a drug thing either. I don't think it was a drug thing either. I mean, if you smoke weed or whatever, whatever, right?

Or take opioids or take Molly or whatever that is. Yeah. But even that, I just don't believe that. I mean, it's possible. It is possible, but I don't believe it. I don't know these girls, right? I don't know Ethan. I don't know any of them. You know, who knows? But I'm just saying I don't think that's the case. Right. And there's so much more we have not even touched on that we need to. But we've got to like wrap this up, I think. Yeah, we do. And then we're going to have to do another segment. Yeah, we can't F this up at the end.

Yeah, there's so much more that we have to talk about that we have not brought up. But briefly, before we end, the neighbor that talked about he, well, first he said he didn't hear screams. Then he said he did hear screams. And then he said all this craziness. Well, the weird thing was is when he interviewed, because we did say we were going to talk about this. We're going to talk about this briefly. Yeah, like, we're going to like talk about this like all the time.

Yeah, like, yeah, like. But when he interviewed with the True Crime YouTube channel and she asked him, she said, what do you think about the people that are now accusing you of potentially being the suspect in this? And he said, oh, you know what? It's just so crazy. Like, it's almost as crazy as like, you know, people

saying that the earth is flat. It's just as crazy as that, right? And it was a very weird answer to that. Right. But there is a lot of weird people out there. There is. You're right. It is a weird answer to that.

But at the same time, it's like, why would you come forward? Unless you just wanted to be in the spotlight with this. And the girl that was interviewing him, I think that she was sussing him. Like, I'm using his words, S-U-S-S-H-H- Him. I don't think that's the word. Yeah, I don't think that's how you use it. Yeah, that's one of the new words out there, Chad. It sucks.

Okay. But I think she's suspecting him as, you know, he's out there, like talking all this stuff, changing his story, being contradictory, acting like it's just like cool to be there, whatever. So. Maybe he just wants to be in the limelight. Who knows? Yeah, it could be. But I don't think it's him either. All right, Sherry, before we go, we're going to, you're going to, we're both.

What's going to give our, as of right now, as of December 16? No, I'm not getting my opinion who I think it is. Not who. Is that what you're asking? Well, you don't got to say names. I'm just saying, okay, you have a couple options. Let's do a poll. Is it a college student?

Yes. Is it a random person, a.k.a. serial killer. A random person that is around the area. Well, no, but you've got to say college student? If somebody has checked them out and has stalked them for sure. Serial, yeah. Could be a stalker. Well, hold on.

It's not just like a stalker of a person. I'm talking about a stalker of the house. Yeah, but the house thing, see, that's, we'll talk about the next step. Because the house thing doesn't make sense to me. It just doesn't. It was wide open. You go in and kill all those people? It's wide open, though.

And it's a house? I don't know. It's a easy prey. That would go back to the drug thing. No, that goes back to a serial killer. Well, yeah, it can, but I'm saying, okay, but listen, do you think it's a college student or do you think it's a random person? Let's just do that for right. now. Someone they knew, someone they didn't.

I think it's somebody they probably have met, but it was not somebody that was like an acquaintance. I think it was some kind of weird, unsocial person that probably came into contact with them at some point and they didn't even realize they came in contact with them. I don't think it's somebody they knew. But probably didn't go to college there. Yeah. It was not somebody they knew on a firsthand basis. Okay. And maybe if they did know them on a first hand basis, you know, that person would have thought, like, oh, they like me, and I'm not going to kill them now. I don't know. Yeah, so potentially a stalker, aka serial killer, which this person...

I think it could be both, because serial killers are stalkers. And they're peeping tongs. And this person also could have done this prior. Yeah, I don't think it's just a pissed off college student. No, I don't think so either. I don't either. Guys, listen, we're going to end it here. We're going to have, as more information comes, we're going to keep you guys updated. I think that's about everything we can cover for tonight.

I hope this has been informational for you. If it's not or if there's something you want to add, please let us know. Send us a message, Facebook, Twitter, whatever. We encourage you to do that because we're just looking for the most information to get the news out there to help this case get solved. Yeah, and guys, listen, by the way, whether or not we're the greatest at whatever that you think, we are the number one podcast. episodes for this subject. So if you guys have information, you guys have anything that you can potentially help this case. Please let us know. Obviously let the police know, but you know what I'm saying. Your theories or whatever the case is, we can get it out to as many people to get as much

information together. Yeah. And that's what we want. We want this case solved before Christmas. Please, God. Yeah, guys. We love you guys. Listen, we're praying for all the families, all the victims. And hopefully this gets solved very soon. And until next. time guys peace out love enjoy your holidays yep we will maybe be back before all days we'll let you know yeah have a good night yeah love y'all peace out i see that things and it shivered the way it shivered nobody knows because it's shivers it's cold and arms yeah it shivers it owes best for a