Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Illegal Immigration Elon Musk DOGE Debate Vs Sergio | Sam Moderates

Episode Date: February 21, 2025

In this fiery debate episode, we go head-to-head with long-time listener Sergio, who has repeatedly challenged Chad’s views on illegal immigration and his skepticism of Elon Musk and DOGE as a so-called "evil clandestine overlord." Sparks fly as both sides passionately defend their stance, making for a gripping and highly entertaining showdown you won’t want to miss! Sam moderates the debate.

and welcome to investigate earth podcast i'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife sherry on tonight's episode we got a little something different for you guys we're actually going to have a bit of a debate tonight and i say a bit of a debate because we have not had many debates on this show we have definitely had people that have come out and said hey like i do not agree necessarily with how you guys talk about this particular subject one of those actually was about ukraine in russia we had jd that came on and he was a fighter inside of Ukraine on behalf of Ukraine. He came on the show, actually became a good friend of ours. He reached out and said, look, I do not agree with a lot of the ways you guys talk about this.

And so we went back and forth, back and forth, finally came on the show. And it actually turned out to be a good friendship for me and JD. And then we also had another guy that came on during the Black Lives Matter episodes. We had two of those. And there was a guy that reached out and said, look, I want to give my opinion on what I feel about this topic, because you guys had someone else on, but you've not had someone unlike me from my standpoint. And so we've always said on this podcast, if you disagree with us or if you are on the other side, I know that we talk about conspiracy theories, we talk about politics, we talk about

everything. And I've always said, if you have a very different opinion, number one, if you are ever wanting to talk on our podcast, we welcome you. And there's been someone that has been, I guess, for about a year, year and a half, that has reached out on many episodes, and he's definitely called us out, in particular me, on certain subjects, which has kind of led us to this debate and what we're actually going to be talking about tonight. And some of those things we're going to be talking about are the border crisis, undocumented

immigrants, Elon Musk and Doge, and kind of how his role impacts the U.S. government, is he actually a savior for the United States, or is he an evil villain in disguise? We're going to talk about all those things. but I'm going to go ahead and first introduce Sergio. And as I said, Sergio has reached out many, many times. Oftentimes I ignore when he reaches out, whether it is messages or comments or whatever. But there are definitely times that we went a little bit back and forth. And I told Sergio a few times, I said, look, we got to set something up to where we can debate this.

I think that he's an intelligent guy. and he definitely has different opinions on some of this stuff. And I'm not saying that everything we're going to talk about tonight is going to be a big debate or like we're completely opposite. I think there are things that he wants to get out and talk about that he feels strongly about and passionate about. And I'm sure that probably there's going to be a lot of people that may agree with him on this show. I'm not expecting for everyone to necessarily agree with me. And so, Sergio, welcome to the show. I want to go ahead and start off and just let you have your introduction.

Sergio, first of all, how did you come about listening to our podcast? Where are you from? What is your thing? And why are you so passionate about kind of how you've talked or reached out to us in the past? Holy crap. I cannot believe I'm here with you guys and that you're real. It's crazy to me. Just because, like you said, it's been so long since I've been listening to you guys.

And I found you first because you were the only good podcast. I found about the UFO Seneca hearings. Yeah, yeah. You guys did full episodes. You played the whole shit. Sorry, you played the whole thing. You let me listen to the audio. And then you guys gave your commentary.

And I was like, this is my jam. And I just was hooked on it. And call me what you may. I may, some may call me your number one. one hater. I have never downrated you guys. You're still five stars. You're my most listened to podcast on Spotify. Chad, you know,

like the moment you post 30 minutes later, you're going to get a message from Sergio being like, I disagree with this. So you know, I'm like always listening. I'm always getting your podcast. I live about a seven minute walk down

a hill to the border. I literally can see the wall-ish. It's a fence, really. from my front yard. I live on a hill so I can see into Mexico. You know, I was, I also have a house in San Diego. And it's actually about like, you know, 15 minute walk down the beach. I can see the wall on the beach.

And I'm sure you guys have seen that wall that divides T.J. and San Diego. So I have a house around there. And I have a house in Arizona as well. So I drive between my two houses. houses a lot. And obviously you guys are like what I listen to on my drive. You know, I wish you guys would do longer episodes. Um, but when I drive between my two houses around the border, I'm always listening to you guys. So, that's kind of how I got into you guys. I mean, like, you guys have so much content before I, before I, you know, I even started listening to. I would just, I listen to all the back episodes on those drives between my houses. Um, so. Cool. Well, thank you, by the way. Yeah, thanks, Sergio, and welcome to the show. We're so glad you're here because, you know, Chad's been talking about that you guys are going to debate. So here we are.

And with that being said, I want to introduce Sam. Most of you know Sam, but I thought it would be only fair because Sam is pretty neutral. I thought it would be only fair that Sam would be the moderator. And she's going to be the one that's asking the questions. She will give you kind of like what the rules are for today's discussion slash debate. So I just wanted you to hear. me so you can see. Hi, Sherry. Cherry will be here. Hopefully you don't hear her

in the background. I am going to mute myself because I'll probably want to scream in the background. I'm like, no, Sergio, it's this or whatever. But anyways, so I want to welcome Sam to the show. Sam, if you want to just give us a little tell us how this is going to

work. Hey guys, thanks for having me on. So I will be moderating. There will be no commentary for me whatsoever. So as Chad alluded to, we've got three sections. basically that we're going to cover in the debate. So the first is going to be Elon Musk's role in the Trump administration, particularly around the Department of Government Efficiency.

We will next talk about the crisis at the border. And then lastly, we will talk about immigration slash deportation. So we'll get into that in a little bit more detail. This will be a time debate. So each of you will have three minutes to answer the question. We will alternate as to who answers the question first. Sergio, since you're the guest on the podcast, the first question is going to come to you in the beginning.

After your three minutes, you may rebuttal once for another three minutes each, and then after that we will have to move on to the next question. Now, in the event that the two of these guys managed to agree on something, feel free to use the time guys to just elaborate on your stance and perhaps even discuss your agreement in there. Before we actually get started with the questions, though, Sergio, I'm going to ask you this first and then Chad will go to you. But can you just give sort of a brief summary?

an assessment, if you will, of your overall opinion on the country right now? I think I'm very stressed out about world politics, but I think we're in better hands now than we were. I think the Democratic Party screwed up a lot by not having a democratic process for electing the candidate and for allowing Joe Biden to be the candidate for so long, I feel the pressure of basically everything in groceries to home insurance. It's becoming almost unbearable to live here. So, you know, at this point, what do we do and how do we fix it? It's kind of my general assessment of the U.S. at the moment. All right.

Thank you. And Chad, what do you think? How do you feel the state of the country is at the moment? I think the state of the country right now is the best has been in a very long time. And I think, you know, I was talking to someone last night and we were talking about the fact that Trump's in. And we've said this on the podcast many times as well, just because Trump is in now. And we have a better administration, in my opinion, does not mean that we still don't have to hold these people accountable because at the end of the day, they are the government. Just like today, you had Donald Trump that was hosting a Black History Month event at the White House. house. And it was very interesting because he had a lot of people there of, of, of, of color. And when he introduced and said that the Pfizer CEO was in the house, everyone in the entire room booed the Pfizer CEO. And so this is not just a thing for white people or for patriots or conservatives necessarily. There are definitely common ground issues that I think that all of

America, and I think 2024 just massively showed this, we have common ground issues that many people believe if we're going to save America, we have to have someone different than the system. And so when I say the system, you know, I used to agree and believe in George Bush or George W. Bush. I thought, you know, because they were conservative, I thought they had my values, you know, in their heart. I thought they were really doing what was best for the country. and then as Donald Trump kind of entered left stage, you know, back in 2016, you quickly saw that it wasn't Republican versus Democrat. It was the system versus the people. And so whereas now Donald Trump is in office, he has appointed all these people in office, including Elon Musk.

I feel like these people are actually going to fight for the people. And I feel like for once in a very, very long time, the people are actually in some ways dictating how those people fight for us. because we have the power and ability, especially with social media now, to ratio, you know, even people on the, on one side or the other. We have the ability to say if a Republican or conservative goes against something that is for the betterment of America, then we can make sure that when their midterms come around, they're not going to have a seat in the House or the Senate anymore. So the power of the people is the strongest has ever been. and that's mainly because we have an administration in power right now that I do not believe as a part of the system. And I think that I, what, what happened in all, even the Republican presidents that came out

against Trump during the 2024 run, I feel like it really opened a lot of Americans' eyes up to show that there's a massive difference in Republican, Democrat, and the system. And I think that more people have to understand that we are fighting the system, not Democrats, or not Republicans. And so I do feel like that America is, I think it's in a great place. I think it's in one of the best places we've ever been. But that doesn't mean it may not be without flaw. All right.

Well, go ahead and get started if you guys are ready. I'm ready. All right. So, Sergio, the first question will be for you first. And one thing I did forget to mention is that this is not a congressional hearing. So no one can reclaim their time. I recommend you use the full three minutes if you would like. Otherwise, we will have to move on before we go to the rebuttals.

All right. So we're starting out, like I said, with Elon Musk role in the administration, particularly Doge. So does Elon Musk involvement in the Trump administration's department of government efficiency represent a conflict of interest, or is it a strategic move to leverage private sector expertise for public good? I 100% believe it is a conflict of interest. I think we all know that he definitely got rich through a lot of these government contracts. Obviously, those haven't really been up to scrutiny yet. He's posting things about how all these old people are in Social Security, basically a screenshot of a Google Sheets. And I'm thinking to myself, okay, where's this evidence?

Who's overseeing him? Who is the committee that's going to go overlook and make sure that, you know, he's not just saying stuff? because obviously, you know, people went through the data and calculated it out and there's this whole X thread on it. And obviously it's from the left. So you take it, take that as you will. But they were saying, you know, if this is actually true, we'd be, you know, one trillion. And the left is saying, like, you know, this is, there's, there's less than point four, like, point something percent of an error in social security. So obviously the left is coming out and saying, hey, this data.

it, no one's checking it. And if you actually check this data that he's posting, you know, what he's saying isn't true. And to give the left some credit, and obviously this is like a grain of salt because this is all coming from the left. And, you know, you can believe it or you cannot believe it. But there is something to be said about someone needs to be overlooking this guy, making sure he's not going through it. There have been people that called him out already. Specifically about the condoms in Gaza, he did backtrack that. In an interview, I believe it was the interview where he was standing in the Oval Office next to Trump with Little X, where he did backtrack that. So even then, but by then the damage had already been done, right?

So my idea or my opinion is that he really needs to be, someone really needs to be overseeing this guy. Because his motto is move fast and break things, which, okay, that works in Silicon Valley. That works when you're working in a company, but the government isn't a company, right? There are certain things that are not going to be profitable. You can't run the FAA profitably, right? That's just a service you have to provide to people. So to think of government as a business makes sense for some departments, but at the same time, a lot of departments don't fall under that because they're going to be run out of loss

because, I mean, it's just services you have to provide to people, right? So that's where I'm very, very skeptical on Elon Musk's role. Furthermore, I mean, like, who these guys, this guy is just basically taking in more and more contracts for himself, right? And we're not even being allowed to look at him. All this USAID stuff, like that stuff to me just sounds like a cover. Like they're just making shit up about what they're paying for in Serbia and Peru and all of this stuff because they're not really saying the truth. which is like, hey, these are covert operations to, you know, incite a riot against this kind of party or whatever. I mean, we just saw that they admitted that USAID was used in the Romanian election, right?

And the Romanian election was just overturned. So when you think about those kinds of things, it's like, okay, sure, he's posting all these things about USID that sound like, oh, why would you ever want to waste your money? on that. But it's like, honestly, do we even really know if it was spent on that? Because no one's come out and said, hi, I'm a Peruvian tranny. And this is an opera that I was writing. Sergio, thank you. I'm sorry to cut you off there. You will get a chance to rebut as well. But let you go a little bit over on that one. That's fine, though. Chat, I'm going to restate the question to you. So, does Elon Musk involvement in the Trump administration's Department of Government Efficiency represent a conflict of interest, or is it a strategic move to leverage private

sector expertise for the public good. All right. So Sergio actually had sent a message the other day, and I found this interesting. Sergio said something about that Elon Musk is trying through USAID to show cracks in your house by showing little cockroaches as he tries to take over the government. I just simply do not agree with that. The only people that is calling Elon Musk a conflict of interest are the exact same people who spent their entire freaking careers leaching off the system and still in the

from the taxpayers. And Elon Musk, obviously, has been a genius in through all of his businesses. He has built things. He takes huge, complicated problems and then solves those. He was the engineer at Tesla to begin with. So he wasn't just a CEO. He wasn't a guy that kind of came in as a rich billionaire. He was an engineer at Tesla.

He was also an engineer at SpaceX. So this guy knows his shit. He's kind of like one of those people you might consider as a Nikola Tesla or an Albert Einstein. Oppenheimer. He is one of those guys in our time today. And so when you have someone like Donald Trump that brings him in to say, hey, how can we stop the fraud and abuse and everything that's been going on through the system of government since I don't even know how long? And yet you now have this entire party, which is mostly Democrats, that are freaking out because he is actually

finding all of the BS that has been done to American taxpayers for so long. And so all the government has been all full of bureaucrats for forever. They create problem just so they can justify literally their own existence. And that's the actual conflict of interest. It's the career politicians and the unelected bureaucrats who get rich off of everything, all the inefficiencies, all the problems they create, whether it's trans movements, climate change, you name it, they get rich off of that. And that's off of taxpayer money.

It's all being wasted. And it's all off of a government that is. so freaking bloated, it can't even function anymore because all they now care about is trans issues, LGBTQ plus, you know, the trans story time in libraries, the DEI programs, the programs where the critical race theory, that's all they care about. They don't actually care about Russia or the fact that the world could move into World War III in a very quick movement, but, you know, especially because of how Biden and Harris treated the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

And so it's like bringing Musk on is a bad thing. It's not. And we need people who know how to get things done without all the government red tape. And that's why that the establishment is completely terrified of him. That's why the bureaucrats are terrified of him. Because if you bring someone on who actually knows how to run things and then even better, he's bringing in all these little geniuses that are software engineers that are essentially hackers, they're going to have a really hard time hiding all their corruption.

This is where they start to freak out. So if the deep state wants to cry about conflicts of interest, maybe they should take a look in the mirror because I'm telling you right now, I believe that Elon Musk is doing a great deed to the American public and American taxpayer dollars. I do not at all think that Elon Musk is benefiting off of his position in Doge. And just to Sergio's point, when you're talking about Elon gets risk through contracts, you have to understand how much money that NASA has made off of the United States government. And guess what?

They equated for, I think it was 200% of whatever their contracts were in comparison to what SpaceX does for the United States and space. I think it's about, what is it, 5%. So they utilize 5% of the money of government contracts versus NASA. NASA has stole from the American public. Thank you, Chad. I got to cut you right there for just a moment, Sergio. You've got three minutes to respond. Yeah, thanks for that, Chad. It makes sense where you're coming from. And I want to just give a really brief history lesson in which our government was very, very efficient in the 19th century when McKinley, who's Trump's favorite president was president. And the reason for that is, because this was known as the Gilded Age in America. And Trump said he wants to bring back the Gilded Age.

But it was because people who had companies, let's say that the government wanted a new train line, right? So then basically the politicians would get stock at no cost. They would do, they would get the contract to make the train. And then so then they created this bureaucracy in the 1900s because they said, hey, you can't keep doing that. You can't keep getting your friends richer and richer, right? So this is why that was created as a safeguard. The red tapes freaking suck.

And I know you know because you've done government contracts. I do government contracts for my work as well. Like I do RFPs, requests for proposals. You know, they have to do all that before they give you the government contract, right? And so part of that reason that was set up is to eliminate all of the corruption and shit that was happening in, you know, the 19th century, right? When we move into the 20th century. But obviously, the rich always find a way around the rules. I mean, that's also kind of my job is to find, not to bend the rules, but to, you know, my clients, I have to make sure they get that contract.

So what's the best way to get that contract for them? you've got to play within the rules, but they always have the upper hand because they have more cash to burn. So, yeah, I get it. I mean, red tape in government, it sucks, especially, you know, things could be streamlined. It could be a lot more efficient. I agree. But when you're talking about corruption and all this stuff, there's a reason why these things have committees. There's a reason why there's these processes and the processes are just to make sure.

that this corruption doesn't go through, right? Now, are those people that are watching this, watching these contracts and deciding who gets it? Not corruptible? Of course not. Those people get corrupt as well. And as you pointed out, some people have abused their position. And that's happened literally in my city council level. You know, people have been literally gone to jail because they, gave a contract out from the city to someone that, you know, had lined their pockets or gave them stock or something like that. That happens all the time. But like, you know, this is, that, that it's a lot less than it used to be before because these systems were set up in place for that. Thank you, Sir Drew. I'm going to have to stop you there, unfortunately. And guys,

for anyone listening that's getting annoyed that I'm stopping them, as much as we would love to do, like, an eight-hour podcast, this would literally be an eight-hour. podcast. So we've got to have like a cut off point a little bit. So sorry about that. Hey, do I have a rebuttal to that? Do I have a rebuttal of that? Because I never got a rebuttal. No, no, you do. You're going to get the last word on this. If you want to go ahead, you've got three minutes. Okay. So Sergio is talking about red tape in government. The problem with this is, is that there was zero red tape for the Biden Harris administration and basically all of the systematic government entities that led before Trump. There was no red tape. And I think that's what USAID is completely

100% showing is that red tape, red tape only exist if it is something that the deep state is against. And so where does the red tape start coming in? When does the government really get fired up? When did they really get pissed off and start protesting and getting on CNN and MSNBC and raising hell and even calling for violence towards some of these officials at Doge, like Elon Musk, such as I can't even remember Gonzales, the senator? They only get fired up when there is basically there's a bright shining light on what they're actually exposing. And they're exposing the fact actually to contrary what Sergio said was they're exposing that there was no red tape.

So Sergio, I understand the government contract aspect of what you're saying. And that's for like, you know, layman people. That's for just everyday random randoms that have potential government contracts. But the reality of it is is that the bureaucrats and the deep state and the people that they put in place have zero red tape. They do whatever they want to with taxpayer dollars. And there are no processes. There are no way.

I mean, there's so many checks through USAID that we don't even know who the damn money was going to. There are people that under Social Security and others that was being paid. And these people would have been 150, 160 years old. So the red tape only applies if it relates to something that the deep state is going to be hurt by. And so it goes back to even the NASA contract. and the Elon Musk contracts and all this stuff. The Biden and Harris administration started to investigate Elon Musk, Tesla, and SpaceX, only when Elon Musk bought Twitter, started to expose the Twitter files,

and they thought, oh, my God, this dude is going to be a problem for the deep state, especially now that he's starting to show support for Trump, because if Trump allows him a position in the government that maybe that he has some massive influence over, or maybe he can bring some of his little hacker or little IT guys like he has right now in Doge, that's going to be a massive issue for us. So there's a reason why we are seeing protests. Anytime you see protest on a coordinated basis across the country, you just have to understand that whatever they're protesting, you should go the exact opposite way.

That's all I'm saying. And that's my rebuttal to him. All right. Thank you. So the next question sort of digs a little bit deeper into government efficiency in and of itself. So Chad, we'll start with you this time. should government efficiency be measured purely in economic terms or does social welfare play an equally important role in determining effectiveness? Well, absolutely.

I mean, and let's be real. When people say we need to factor in the social welfare aspect of it, I mean, what they're kind of meeting is that the government should be allowed to keep throwing money of problems without actually ever solving them. Because they don't want to solve problems. This kind of goes back to the pharmaceutical industry, right? if people don't believe that we have cures for cancer or AIDS or all of these other diseases, then they're crazy because we do. And the government, the overarching aspect of what the government does is they put money into problems, but they don't put money into solving problems.

And that is the freaking problem. Efficiency obviously is about results. And they are not getting results. They're getting results on money, making people richer. But they're not getting money based on what problems they're actually solving. I mean, do you think what USAID is uncovering? Have we seen anything there except for the few things, you know, that they try to, I guess, conglomerate to say, hell, yeah, USAID is needed.

But the reality is they're just throwing money at problems and they're not actually ever trying to solve any of the issues. In most cases, even for example, the Hillary Clinton Foundation and went to Haiti. guess what? Haiti had insane amounts of natural resources that the Clinton and Hillary Foundation brought in gold miners and I think it was cobalt, all these other founders, while they were being paid multi, multi millions of dollars, not just taxpayer dollars, but also funding money, charitable money, and all of the other. So this is not just about growing the size of the government and create, what they want to do is grow the size of government and create dependence. And that's what they've always going to do. the left wants the government efficiency to be measured by essentially how many people rely on it, right?

So if you can get more people to rely on government efficiency, then that's efficient to the government because at the end of the day, we're all subjected to government control. And there's so many people that every day ask themselves, why do we have a government and why are they controlling our lives? And it's because that they require you to be dependent on it. The whole point of efficient government is to create a system where people don't have to on it. If you have a government that keeps expanding welfare programs, they keep raising taxes or, I don't know, keeps creating more useless agencies that nobody needs to burn money into,

that's not efficient. That's just government getting bigger for the sake of their own power. That's literally what it is. And so an efficient government should be lean. It should be small. It should be focused. It should only do things that actually they need to do. they should want to protect our country, enforce our laws, stay the hell out of everybody's business. And anything beyond that is just a money pit. And we've all been throwing money into that pit for many, many years. So there's my answer. Thank you, Chad.

And Sergio, just to restate to you, the question is, should government efficiency be measured purely in economic terms? Or does social welfare play an equally important role in determining effectiveness? For sure. Thanks for that recap. Listen, I hate paying taxes as much as everyone does. I pay a lot of taxes because I own my own business. I know you guys know that owning your own business as well. It sucks right now, especially because you're putting all your paperwork together. I mean, I work with government officials all the time. I freaking hate them. Like a lot of them have never run a business. They have no idea what they're talking about. Like, let's say, you know, someone's like head of the zoning department or whatever, like they've never actually built out a building. They don't know really what it takes to construct a building or something, but then they'll go with their little checklists and then mark you off because they want to make themselves feel like they're, you know, important, right? And this happens to me all the time,

like fire department, plumbing department, zoning department, city council. Like, they just like, it's like the career politicians or career bureaucrats are like the bane of my existence every day if my life. So I definitely understand the frustration in that. I do want to remind everyone the way that we got out of the Great Depression is through the Great New Deal, which happened in the 40s, which was the giant expansion of the government, You got people building the Hoover Dam. You got all of the highways being built.

You know, you got all this infrastructure, bridges, everything being built by the government. This is pulling people out of the Great Depression leading up into World War II. Obviously, we joined the war after a few years that's going through. So there's a reason why the government had really a lot bigger than it was than in previous centuries. I think a lot of it could be trimmed down. I think it doesn't make sense for a lot of these bureaucracies to be in place. But to get back to the question, government isn't business and business isn't government. And I think when you mix the two is where you have a problem.

Because like I said, you're never going to run the FFA out of profit. Okay, you're never going to be able to run certain programs where you're literally just doing security at a profit. profit. It's just not going to happen because you're providing a service. And the service is security for the citizens, protecting people's liberties and rights. And, you know, a judicial system so people are just, you know, can't come to your house and squat on it and take it or, you know, steal your property. Like those are all important things that will never run on a profit. So I think it's, it doesn't make sense to think of it as a business. because those services will never be able to be run on a profit.

Now, could they be slimmed down? Of course they can be, right? I mean, we've all been to the DMV. We've all seen, you know, the lazy people that are working there, just getting their paycheck. Yeah, I mean, I agree. It could be severely reduced. But at the same time, you know, in terms of efficiency,

you have to be able to provide services to people. Now, all right. Thank you, Sergio. I'm going to stop you there for a moment. Chad, if you would like to respond, feel free. Well, I need to know the question again. I did not hear the question. I'm sorry. So this is still the question of should government efficiency be measured purely in economic terms or do social welfare pay an equally important role? Yeah, I mean, the only rebuttal to this is is that the government is essentially somewhat a business, right? I mean, I think that's the reason why Donald Trump was elected president because everybody understood and knew that Trump was a businessman. He literally has a book called The Art of the Dill.

And so if you want to evaluate how Trump does what he does in Washington and not just in Washington, but you want to evaluate why he was the only president to ever go meet with a North Korea leader and shake hands and go across from South Korea to North Korea into North Korea. that's because of someone that is a businessman that understands business because essentially the government is a business. It is a massive business. And you not only have that, but you have like his book, The Art of the Deal. The Art of the Deal talks about and specifically says how you negotiate deals that are especially controversial. So you're talking about Putin and Zelensky. You're talking about North Korea and China. You're talking about all of the things he's doing even with the tariffs right now.

There is a reason why he is doing these things. And it's not because he's a moron politician that literally knows nothing about business. All they know, most politicians know, is that they get into office. They get bought out by all the bureaucratic agencies, the military industrial complex, the big pharma, all of that. And I still do actually have worries about Trump on some of the big pharma. of stuff, even maybe the military industrial complex stuff. But Trump is running the country like a business because I think that we're seeing the results that if you run the country like a business, there's no business in the history

of the world that is going to look at how much we have lost money from all the taxpayer funded. Just think about taxpayer money. That's like revenue for a business. And then think about if you had a business that had just insane amounts of money. I'm talking about billions, if not trillions of dollars unaccounted for or going to things that you had no idea what the hell this shit even was. Do you think a business owner would be like, oh, I'm cool with that?

And if you do have a structured business to where everybody's okay with that is because they're all corrupt and they're stealing from the business. And guess what happens to the people that steal from businesses? They go to prison. They go to prison for money laundering or, I mean, I don't know, RICO charges or whatever the case is. But because their government, maybe they won't go. to prison for RICO or money laundering or tax evasions or I can't even think of the other stuff.

But my point to this is, is that if the government was a business and you were the leader of this business, then you would fire basically everybody that was under you because it is the most inept run business in the entire world. And at the end of the day, the United States government should be run like a business. And that's exactly what they're doing, which is why I think we're going to get back to greatness in America over what we've seen for years and years and years, not just the Biden-Harris administration, but I'm talking about for probably 20 or 30 years. Thank you, Chad. And Sergio, you have the last word here.

I, like I said, I completely disagree about government being a business because I think, like I keep saying, there are certain things you're not going to be able to run out of profit. Now, if we're looking at the country as a business, I think Trump is doing a decent job at it. obviously, you know, we're talking about making sure that the tax money that we're all paying into is going to the places that we say it's going into. And, you know, I think that's going to be a tough job. Obviously, we disagree on who should be doing that job. You know, I think we have forensic accountants that could be doing that job,

maybe turning the IRS on itself and getting those IRS. agents to go and audit their own selves. Like maybe that would be an option. I mean, I know that perhaps you guys think that everyone is corrupt so it wouldn't work. Anyways, I mean, there's just different ways to view it. I just think there's got to be a line you draw in terms of people's health and safety. You know, there's the, yes, you're taking in money from taxes and you're going to be paying all these different services. But then those departments you've got to measure in terms of how much better they make Americans' lives. So, for example, if you're talking about, like, I know they want to get rid of the

education department, but let's say for some reason it stays and we have it, then, you know, what are we going to ask from the education department? You know, is it just a standardized test scores? Because I don't think that really measures the intelligence of kids. Like, what, it's a lot more philosophical and really depends on. what department you're talking about rather than just running it as a business. But there is definitely something to be said in terms of having a businessman and go into it and being able to look at the cost.

Because like I said from the beginning of my answer, like I run my own business, I work with government entities. I try to get government contracts and shit just like you guys do. It's the most inefficient process. I mean, sometimes people win that shouldn't have one. And, you know, the people that are judging it don't really know what they're judging. You know, they don't really know what the project means or does. So that for sure, I agree.

I think maybe, you know, there's a way to have chambers of commerce where business owners and leaders can, you know, help with those government contract processes to speak that up, to be more efficient. But you always run the risk of corruption. Whether you have bureaucracy or not, there's always going to be corruption. So it just, what is the system that gives you the least corruption is what we have to look for? Because, you know, it's always going to be everywhere. That's, you know, I think that that's the other thing is that for Elon, I'm just going to go back to the previous question because I have a little bit of time.

Actually, you're at three minutes. Sorry, sorry. You may be able to fit it into this next question a little bit. Both of you have alluded to this already a bit, and this is a little bit of a lengthy setup on this one. So Doge's targeting of agencies like USAID has recently sparked controversy with some suggesting that the agency has deviated from its original purpose and now operates against the best interest of the American people. If there's evidence to support the claim that this agency or another like it is operating outside of its designated scope, is it in the best interest of the people for the executive branch to intervene and dismantle it immediately, resolving the matter in the courts after the fact, or, Is it better to allow operation until it is dismantled through the standard channels of congressional action, regardless of how long that may take? Oh, is that me first?

Yes, it's going to you first, Sergio. I knew you'd pull something tricky like this because, you know, and if I'm a left winger, I would say, hell yeah, get E.L. Get Doge and Elon out, right? But then at the same time, the left wingers are crying that, like, they're getting rid of USAID without, you know, you know, you know, without proper process. So it's like, damn, okay, this is double-edged sword for me. So I'm going to handle this a little bit carefully. And, oh, you know what, screw it.

I'm just going to give that answer that I gave. You know, I think Doge was created out of thin air. If it is being deterred from its original mission, I think it should be pulled out just out of thin air, just like it was created. out of thin air. So I think I'm going to justify it that way. I know it's like a little faulty judgment, but I mean, I just think, you know, if we're going to look into this guy, this guy definitely needs to be, you know, he was complaining about, oh, I have a daily

colonoscopy. It's like, dude, you're literally the richest person in the world. You are standing next to the most powerful man in the world. You really need to have at least five colonoscopies a day to make sure that you're not abusing the power. Because, you know, there's that famous quote, absolute power corrupts absolutely, meaning, hey, if you're going to give this guy all this power, he's definitely going to be corrupted. So, I mean, that's my long-winded answer. I think, you know, it's really, I'm going to have to go with Trump on this one. I do like the speed in which he's cutting things. I do like the speed in which he's working. I think that is something that is necessary. I do understand the concerns over executive overreach. And I mean,

I'm not going to lie. I'm concerned about him posting a picture and calling himself King. I mean, I think that's a little bit overboard. I think my time's up. Is that right, Sam? You've actually got about a minute left. Okay. So, I mean, I think that's that, to me, is concerning because I think then it leads into a slippery slope. That being said, I do like what is happening. I do like the speed of things going. So, I mean, at this point, at this point, I am myself confused as to which way is the proper way. Because he hasn't really touched something that really affects me personally to the point where I would go up in arms.

I know, for example, Steve Bannon said, don't freaking touch Medicare, Medicaid, because you're going to lose a Republican base on that. And I agree. And I think, you know, they're trying to be very, very careful. But at the same time, I think, you know, why are they going after these programs when they could be going after the big money? And, you know, the big money. The Pentagon's never passed not it for the last, what, five, six years. We know, you know, they're taking a bunch of money that we have no idea where it's going. If you really wanted to be efficient, I think you would have started there.

All right. Thank you, Sergio. I'm going to stop you for a moment. You will have a chance to come back to it. And, Chad, I'm going to restate the question because this is a rather long one. So Doge's targeting of agencies like USAID has recently sparked controversy with some suggesting that the agency has deviated from its original purpose and is now operating against the best interest of the American people. If there's evidence to support the claim that this agency or another like it is operating outside of its designated scope, is it in the best interest of the American people for the executive branch to intervene and dismantle it immediately resolving the matter in the courts after the fact? Or is it better to allow operation until it's dismantled through the standard channels of congressional action, regardless of how long that may take?

All right. Well, think about this, USAID. if it's an agency that's obviously corrupt, I think we have found and figured that out through all the findings so far. And they're working against the United States of America. And let me tell you why they're working against the United States of America because everything they're doing is completely against American interest.

They're like almost everything that USAID does has nothing to do with the benefit of the United States whatsoever. And so I understand that USAID, also known as AID, also known as aid, is what they want to call it. I think there's a place for a program like that from the United States that goes around the world and looks at countries that desperately need aid, which I'm assuming whoever created that name, USAID. They thought it was cute. They were like, oh, we're going to call it USAID because everyone will think we're just aiding in the betterment of other nations because we all know that America loves aiding in the betterment of other nations, except for, you know, when the CIA gets involved. or they overthrow governments or they go into countries just because of mineral resources.

I mean, hell, for example, even Trump right now is like, hey, Ukraine, we will help you as long as you give us your mineral rights, your resources. We'll help you. That's the only way we want to help you. And the reality of it is is that we do that all the time anyway. It's just under the table. It's just we don't understand or know that. But when you have a far leftist administration or the system administration get into office, office and they use a program like USAID in disguise to where it makes everyone think, oh, well,

your taxpayer dollars are going to something good. You should feel good about this, guys, because we're helping people of Haiti. We're helping people in the Middle East. We're helping people in third world countries. And then you have someone like Doge and Elon Musk come in and they say, well, that's actually not at all what they're doing. They're creating all of these facades with massive amounts of money in all these nations where they're talking about transgenderism and the transgender operas and, I mean, you name it.

But then also you start looking at all these multi-millions of dollars that have been funded in this stuff. And then even some of these places that we have funded, either nations, organizations, or other, we would fund 50 plus million dollars in some cases. And guess what the actual revenue was for some of these organizations or companies that we invested into through USAID? it was $100 in a few cases and we gave them $50 million. So that obviously shows 100% complete fraud.

And yet they're trying to say, don't look into it. Don't look into it. We can't, you don't want to see what's going on in USAID. We're going to protest a hell out of that. I mean, this was supposed to be a foreign aid program. And it's not. And if there's evidence that there's an agency that's working against us, which I think that we see with Elon Musk, then obviously the executive branch has every

right to shut it down immediately because if we wait for Congress, that's not going to happen. Guess what Congress does? And guess what Congress has always done? They drag their feet. They do whatever they can to stop whatever the executive branch is doing because all of those people, not all of them, but many of them in Congress and Senate, both, they have vested interest in various lobbies or various programs around the world. Thank you, Chad. I'm going to stop you right there. And you will have a chance to come back as Well, and Sergio, if you'd like to respond, you've got three minutes. Yes, I would love to just pick up on something that I think Sherry said a few episodes ago when you guys were talking about USAID.

And she said something around the lines of like, why the heck are we paying for like a transgender show in Afghanistan with the Taliban or something like that? I think it was specifically with the Taliban. And I was thinking to myself, like if you like transgender people and you like the LGBT community, you're probably, yeah, go, go for it. That's awesome. And if you don't, you're probably like, hey, the Taliban's our enemy. And if we're just throwing this transgender crap on them, that's probably going to fuck up their society.

So in a way, it is kind of helping us, right? The other thing I'm going to say is like USAID, even the Democrats have admitted the ones that were protesting it when they first announced it. Even they admitted that the USAID is really a front for money being funneled for these covert operations in different countries. So again, when they post this shit like, oh, you know, this is, you know, for transgender opera in Peru and this is for DEI and Serbia and all this stuff. Like I honestly think it's, that's just a front for money that they're using for something

else. And the reason they put in all this DEI stuff in there is because that's what Biden and Camelow wanted to see. Right. Like if USAID were working under the Trump administration and they were doing all this covert shit, like they were probably, you know, spend the same amount of money, but just have the description of what that money is being used for, or be something like exploring mineral rights in Ukraine or looking for, you know, better shipping routes in Peru, something like that. And it will just be, you know, the same amount of money being spent. Now, what is this money being used for?

It's being used actually in our interest, whether we want to admit it or not. Like, it is in our interest to fuck up other people's countries. It is in our interest to keep people poor in poor countries because we get to buy their shit cheaper. And that's just a matter of fact. That's how America has worked for, you know, hundreds of years. Ever since the CIA was founded, I mean, we can go back to 1958 United Fruit Company in Guatemala, where they incited, you know, a big revolt so that the United Fruit Company could, you know, sell cheap fruit in America during the winter. And that's just, that's, that has been part of our history.

You know, I mean, Chad, you yourself, we're talking about all of the attacks they wanted to blame on Cuba, I think last episode, right? So this is part of what that money is going towards. I mean, this is to keep us on top and keep others down. Thank you, Sergio. I have to stop you there. And Chad, you've got the last word. Yeah.

So to Sergio's point, I mean, he's talking about USAID and a lot of these programs or funneling of money to. various nations around the world are in our best interests. But the reality of it is, I think that the more we find out about USAID and the money trail and where it actually goes is actually just patent in the pockets of congressmen and senators that are bought out and influenced and corrupt based on these programs. I think there's a reason why we have organizations or companies where we fund this money to U.S. taxpayer dollars. And this money, money is not making these organizations or companies any money whatsoever.

They can't even account for any revenue whatsoever. But yet all of these politicians that heavily either got behind it or made sure everything went through or hit it or even the ones that are protesting right now, they got a lot richer after this. So the reality is I don't think that USAID is a good interest for America whatsoever. I think if we have some type of program, we need to have a program to where we bring more money back to America. We bring more jobs back to America.

We help veterans in the United States or America that are homeless. We help our own homeless people. Let's have a freaking program to where we invest billions of dollars into our own people for once instead of spending billions, if not trillions of dollars around the world that's actually being funneled back to politicians. That's what we got to do. And hopefully to God, this administration is going to do that. Go ahead, Sam.

Sorry, I thought I was on mute. I apologize. I will go ahead and move on then if that's all that you have. that wraps up the Doge section. So now we will move on to the border. So first question is going to go to you on this one, Chad. Is the crisis at the border a national security threat requiring immediate military intervention, as Trump has suggested? Or is it a humanitarian issue that requires comprehensive immigration reform?

Well, I think it's both, right? I mean, let's stop pretending that this entire thing is just helping people. We got to help all the people that's coming across our border. The border has been a disaster and especially under the Biden and Harris administration. And anyone that's even trying to say that this is just a humanitarian issue is either lying or they are completely 100% ignorant or clueless. We've talked about the New World Order and the globalist agenda to where they want to disrupt sovereign nations around the world.

And I think this is what it goes back to. They want to disrupt sovereign nations. They want to kill America from within. And part of the way they do that is they, advocate or put people into power in place to make sure that the borders are wide open. Look at what's happening in Europe. In Europe, you now have people that are, you know, British citizens or whatever that anyone that speaks out against the mass immigration crisis that they are having there,

they're going to jail. They have literally went to a tyrannical state in Europe. I mean, especially in Germany. They just had an interview in Germany where now if you insult someone, you can go to jail. And especially if you insult someone on the internet, that's the problem. We've got millions of people that are pouring into this country. We've had this for the past four years.

We've had less people come across the border since Trump has come in than probably the past 20 years. And so we have no idea who these people have been, where they are going, what they're bringing with them. Are they a part of a terrorist organization? That is 100% a national security threat. I mean, think about it. after 9-11, we basically blocked all travel from the Middle East because we wanted to make sure that our American citizens were safe. And no one was calling George W. Bush a racist then. Everyone was like, yeah, thank you, George W. Bush, for protecting America.

Because we don't know who the hell these people are going to come in from the Middle East right now. We allowed these people into the United States during and before 9-11. And guess what? We had all of the checks and balances in place then. And we still allowed 9-11 to happen. And so when you have a wide open border, this is absolutely a national security crisis. You have 40 plus thousand Chinese nationals that have come across from China and they don't use the border. They actually have a very sophisticated system in the northern part of South America to where they get on boats.

They have a massive tent section. They go right into California. And they are ready to potentially either hack the system, hack the grid, maybe even have a small nuclear weapon with them. we can't trust China. We can't trust anyone right now. And hell, I mean, Americans for the past four years haven't, we don't even trust their own government. So why should we think that we just let any and everyone in around the world, even though we don't even trust the people that supposedly are here to protect us, which is our own government? That just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Trump is 100% right where he says we need military intervention.

He's sending people to the border. Border Patrol is finally going. and doing their jobs, which they have never been allowed to do over the past four years. They are like breathing a sigh of relief. And all these local communities are getting overwhelmed. They're getting crushed under the entire weight of the legal immigration. And this is a problem. And we don't know. We don't go ahead.

Finish your thought real quick. No, I'm just saying we just don't know who's coming across our border. And it is 100% of national security issue. All right. Thank you. And Sergio, I'll restate the question to you as well. So is the crisis at the border a national security threat requiring immediate military intervention, as Trump has suggested? Or is this a humanitarian issue that requires comprehensive immigration reform?

I'm going to do you a solid. I'm going to call this an extreme political and policy issue. And here's where I'm going to go with this. And I'm just going to let everyone know, I mean, I literally, I could walk into Mexico right now. I see it from my front yard. I can see the wall. And I've lived here for the majority in my life, except for when I was living abroad. So I'm just going to take the role of Mexico just for a second, just to give you guys some perspective on the border situation from the other side.

Guns are illegal in Mexico. They do not allow guns. There's no Second Amendment. They've never had the right to have guns. guns, right? That's not in their constitution. Yet the cartel has guns. Why? I mean, there's that whole Obama controversy where it turned out Obama was giving the cartel guns, right? The DEA, that's the drug enforcement agency and the CIA have been embedded in Latin American politics since their creation. you know if you have never seen narcos on netflix please watch it you'll see exactly how the DEA

operated with the CIA as well in Colombia in Mexico and all of these countries right and I mean the DEA makes a lot of their money through these drug busts like if they bust this shit they get a bunch of money they keep it right they don't that's kind of their deal right some of them even have deals with I'm not saying look I'm not going to go out and say like that everyone at the DEA has deals with cartels, but there's a reason why cartel shipments get in through the border, right? I mean, people on our side definitely need to know when shit is coming through the border for it to get through. That's just a fact, right? And I mean, you can watch Ozarks as well, where they talk about the cartels and the, you know, the FBI and how, you know,

they make their payday by chasing the bad guys. So they need a bad guy to chase, right? So that's one aspect of it, right? There's two aspects of it already, actually. It's the DEA and the CIA have been embedded in Mexican politics for forever, right? So they've already invaded that country. They have a lot of control over politicians. They have deals with the cartel. I mean, that's just, let's just call a, you know, let's just call a spate of spade if we're going to call everything a spade. The first one, and then the first thing I told you is the guns, right? Like, where are these guns coming from? Maybe the CIA, maybe the DEA, we already know Obama got caught, got caught giving them guns, right? Third thing is, when you look at the fentanyl numbers, there was only a dozen deaths reported in

2024 in Mexico. Now, hey, look, who's keeping track of these stats in Mexico? We don't know. So, I mean, you could take it as a grain of salt. But it's like not even anywhere close to the 75,000 that happened in the U.S. this year, right? All right, Sergio, I'm going to pause you right there for a second, and you can come back to that during your rebuttal for sure. Chad, if you'd like to respond. Yeah, so I'm glad, actually, Sergio, you said this because you're talking about guns are illegal in Mexico except for the cartel, right?

But who primarily is the United States worried and concerned about other than just the cartel? But let's just take the cartel for one example here. We already have MS-13, Senilua cartel. We just had Trend de Iroagua from Venezuela. We've had all of these various gangs that have come across the border through the Biden-Harris administration. And also, by the way, a lot of these illegals that are coming in across the border, a lot of the people that are coming in across the border, they are, they have systems in place to where they get new social security numbers, new IDs, you name it. Actually, our government gives them IDs in some cases. All they got to do is show a little piece of paper and say who they supposedly are, and then they get an ID.

So where we talk about like who's a criminal, who is not, we don't actually know. But back to your point, when you have what you just said, guns are illegal in Mexico unless you're the cartel. But the reality is, is that you understand that the cartel has wreaked havoc on Mexico. The Mexican government and that entire country is completely corrupt. It is not a safe place for many people to be anymore. And that's because of the way the government has been ran and the fact that they allowed these cartels to flourish. And so with the border issue, you have a wide open border where cartel members are also coming across. We already have issues with the cartel members, especially if you ask most law

enforcement agencies in Southern California, Texas, Arizona, Nevada, and then is spread now across the entirety of the United States. We already have an issue with the cartel members. There are some of the most violent people in the entire world. And this is just talking about Mexico. And so my point to this is that you're saying guns are illegal. Obviously, they don't give a shit about the fact that guns are illegal. They are heavily propped up. They have power and they have force in Mexico. And this is exactly what we cannot have in America.

Because if you just continue to allow an open border and you have an administration like the Biden and Harris administration that instigates this. And you have the globalist agenda around the world that are putting prosecutors in place that let these people out of jail as soon as they commit crimes. All this shit. this leads to a new Mexico. And that's exactly what the Biden-Harris administration wanted. That's exactly what George Soros wanted, the New World Order, the World Economic Forum.

They wanted the United States to become a Mexico to where they control it through how much money the cartels are making, how much you're influenced in politics. And it goes even back to USAID. We are influenced in politics today. We're not necessarily in the same realm as Mexico in some ways, but this is exactly what we can't have. And that's just Mexico. We're not talking about ISIS. We're not talking about Chinese nationals. We're not talking about Russian agents that maybe are here in the United States now that are either hackers or, you know, the Chinese land is being bought up next to our military bases where our nuclear warheads are.

Immigration is a massive issue. And whereas we can say that this is a humanitarian crisis. And it is because of what the administration caused over the past four years and not just the past four years. This has kind of been an ongoing thing. but especially the past four years, they invited people in, and they invited people in because they had people, they had puppet masters over them that wanted to destroy America from within, and how do you do it? You completely open borders, you dismantle a sovereign nation, and you allow in the maximum amount

of criminals while also incentivizing them to be a criminal versus the people that are good in America, the people that say, hey, we love America, we want. to protect America. Those people now are supposedly racist. They're supposedly domestic terrorist. But yet the people that are actually terrorists are incentivized. They're protected. They get bail funds like during BLM and the Antifa riots.

So the argument to what you're saying about guns are illegal in Mexico, but you have an issue with the open borders and people that are actually here should maybe still be here. I think that completely disrupts your argument there. Thank you, Chad. And I let Chad go a little long on that. one. So, Sergio, you get the last word. I'm going to let you have four minutes if you'd like. For sure. And I think, look, listen, my point is you need to ask yourself, how the fuck did they get these guns? There's no gun manufacturers there. There's no gun stores, right? So they clearly got the,

there's a problem on both sides. Guns are coming into Mexico from the U.S. drugs are coming from Mexico to the U.S. Right? So it's a two-way problem. When Claudia Shinebaum and Donald Trump had their meeting and, you know, There are all the headlines how, like, Mexico is sending 10,000 soldiers to the border. They also mentioned, like, we're going to stop the gun flow into Mexico. That is one, that's the first thing that I talked about, right? The second thing is, you know, you got the DEA and the CIA who need a bad guy to chase because that's how they get paid, right?

That's how they make money. They do these busts, but they let, they have these deals with the cartel. Now, the third thing I wanted to talk about was defense and all deaths, right? Why is it so low in Mexico? And obviously it's still rising in Mexico, but it's nowhere near what it is in the U.S. Right. And why is it so high in the U.S. and Canada, but like not that high. I mean, it's still high in other places, but it's not nowhere near as high as the U.S.

in Canada. Well, it's because we have legal entities that prescribe legal chemicals that got people addicted to opioids. Right. Right. And so even though we want to talk about the cartel and they're violent and they terrorize Mexico, yes, that is true. And they're terrorizing Mexico to feed an appetite that the Americans have because of our own big pharmaceutical industry. You know, that's the, for me, this is why I'm saying it's a policy issue. Like you're allowing these pharmaceutical industries to prescribe these chemicals to people that get them addicted to things that now they need to buy. from the Mexican cartel who's also getting guns from us and providing these illegal drugs. I mean, it's a vicious circle, right?

Like, who is it? Who does it start with? Who does it end with? Like, sending military to the border, okay, cool. Like, if that's going to stop the flow of fentanyl from Mexico into the U.S. and the flow of guns from the U.S. into Mexico, I'm down for that. But at the end of the day, the real problem is that these guys, companies, these big pharmaceutical companies, are not held to any standard and they got Americans

addicted to opioids and created this crisis in the first place. So, I mean, it goes both ways. Like, those three things have really utterly destroyed certain parts of Mexico. Now, I'm going to disagree with you that Mexico is a dangerous place. It's actually a very nice place to visit certain areas. I know a lot of American millionaires that, retired to Mexico. I work for some of them. You know, they have yachts off Cabo and all that stuff. I mean, it's pretty nice. You know, it's like they don't have problems with cartel there. Right. There are certain parts of Mexico that are terrorized by cartel. And to me, I mean, I just feel bad because a lot of that is because of our guns, because of our desire for drugs. Right. And so, you know,

it's really, to me, it's a, it's an issue on. both sides and something that both countries need to look at. I also think that there needs to be a treaty where we also have access to people who come into Mexico. Now, this is kind of how the EU does it. Like, if you enter the EU through Spain, Germany is going to know about it. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I fly into Amsterdam and the Netherlands and Italy is going to know, I entered the European Union in Amsterdam on the state because they share that data. That's something I could get behind where we have a shared thing with Mexico where it's like, who's entering Mexico with their passport?

We check it. We know, okay, they're in Mexico. And then if they come into the U.S., we know, okay, you've been in Mexico this long. Now you're coming into the U.S. like maybe this is a little sketch or something like that. I can get behind me. Go ahead. I hate to cut you off the middle.

I'll actually let you go a little bit long too. But this next question actually piggybacks a little bit off of that question. So you may be able to sort of wrap what you were saying into it. So you're up first on this one, Sergio. This month, the U.S. government has officially designated several cartels as foreign terrorist organizations, which could potentially justify targeting or excuse me, targeted military.

strikes or special operations against these groups. Does this ultimately make America safer or create a more substantial threat on our southern border? It's a really, really interesting debate that I've been having with myself. And I think ultimately it does create the potential for more danger in America. Because I think what this does is it doesn't really get to the root of the problem, which I'm going to keep saying like big pharma is the root of this whole problem. Like if they hadn't created this market, then this, you know, the cartel wouldn't have this much of a hold on the U.S. and in Mexico.

So, I mean, I think my big number one person to blame would be big pharma and they're not really facing any retribution of that. I think they got sued in Ohio and some other states and maybe they're paying like a couple hundred millions to, to face. families, but at the end of the day, like, the chaos that they created is, is completely, um, you know, unaccounted for. In terms of, uh, designating them as foreign terrorist group, I'm just really scared that we're going to start, um, you know, bombing parts of Mexico. And then suddenly it's like, okay, this is bombed. We've bombed the shit out of it. Now we're going to own it and rebuild it, kind of like what we're doing with Gaza. That's kind of what I'm afraid is going to happen.

I will give it like a funny story around Christmas time. I was, you know, I started noticing a lot of UAP from my front yard and I filmed it. And I was going to send some over to chat and Sherry to share it. You know, come to find out that it turns out that these are the drones that they're using to spy on the cartel. I don't know if you saw recently they revealed that they're sending out more drones to spy on the cartel and stuff. So I can, I've actually seen, you know, from my house fly over Mexico. So, I mean, it's definitely happening. We'll see how it goes.

I mean, I honestly would love to see a Mexico without cartels because it is a beautiful place, a lot of good food, a lot of nice people. and it's really sad to see, you know, those areas that are controlled by the cartel that, you know, people live in fear. And it's like they live in fear because of American guns and the American appetite for fentanyl. And that's kind of like the sad part because they can't, they don't even produce the fentanyl themselves usually. Usually they're just getting it from the Chinese, right? So it's like these people are suffering because of a product made in China. for a U.S. market. It's, I mean, sad. All right. Thank you, Sergio. And Chad, again, the question is, this month the U.S.

government has officially designated several cartels as foreign terrorist organizations, which could potentially justify targeted military strikes or special operations against these groups. Does this ultimately make America safer or create a more substantial threat on our southern border? So I think this is long overdue. I mean, obviously the cartels are absolutely terrorist organizations. I mean, they control massive swaths of Mexico as what Sergio was just saying. And they murder literally thousands of people per month in some cases. I mean, they smuggle drugs.

They traffic humans. Think about there's 300 and something thousand missing children now. And a lot of that is because of the cartel smuggling the children to the U.S.-Mexico border. So this is a massive issue. And they work with China as what we were just talking about. Sergio, you just said, Well, China is producing the fentanyl. They are then handing it off to the cartel.

The cartel was making sure that the fentanyl gets into the United States. Now, think about this. In 2023, we had 100 and some something thousand deaths from fentanyl. That 100,000 something deaths from fentanyl. And then 2024, I think it was, it went down a little bit because I guess they were trying to, you know, not make it so bad on the Biden-Harris administration, but it was like 80 or 90,000 people. But think about 2001, 9-11.

We had three or four thousand people. The entire country came together because we lost three or four thousand people to a foreign freaking terrorist organization or maybe even connected somehow in our own government, which we'll get to in just a second. But regardless of that, how are you not going to, how are you not going to designate the cartels a terrorist organization when they are directly responsible for over 100,000 United States, American, citizen deaths per year. You have to. And going back to something earlier, he said, guns, who gives them?

Who gives them guns? I don't know. It definitely could be DEA. It could be CIA. It could be all that. We do that shit all around the world. That is a part of the system, which is exactly why that you have Pete Heg Seth in, you have Cash Mattel, you have Donald Trump, you have all these people that so many of us Americans are desperately hoping that they're going to actually make a change and disrupt the bullshit that is going on where our agencies, our intelligence agencies, actually assist these terrorist organizations in killing Americans because I think we've seen that forever. We saw it in Operation Northwest with Cuba. We saw it potentially during 9-11.

We saw it during JFK assassination. We saw it during MLK. We have assassinated American citizens on behalf of political issues for years. And now it's like when the government is actually calling out their bullshit, the deep states bullshit. Now all of a sudden, all the Democrats want to protest. Why would you protest fraud and abuse? Why would you protest designating cartel members as terrorist organizations?

Because guess what? They're doing that also. That is a massive issue. The reason why the fentanyl crisis is so low in Mexico is because it is a cultural thing. Mexicans do not necessarily want to kill other Mexicans. They don't want to do that. They don't want to distribute fentanyl across Mexico because that completely disrupts their economy. It disrupts their culture.

It disrupts everything. You are now faced with 100 plus thousand people in Mexico and probably more due to fentanyl. And they're not going to do that because they don't give a shit about killing their own people. They care about killing Americans. And so we have to start caring about Americans. So when you talk about that the border's open and we should we should care about every single person that comes across the border, no, we have to care about Americans

right now. We have to because when we're having 100,000 plus deaths in America every single year to fentanyl because of Mexico, because of China, because of all of our other adversaries, and also the United States government themselves. And now you have an administration in that is saying, we're going to stop this bullshit. We're going to do something about this. And if we have to bomb the shit out of Mexico to make it very clear that what Sergio said earlier, Mexico is a very beautiful country.

And it is. But I would like to be able to go there as a white man in Mexico and not be kidnapped by the cartel and held for ransom because their country is so effing corrupt. I would- All right. I'm going to hold you right there. Hold that thought. you'll be able to come back to it, Sergio, if you'd like to respond. Yeah, for sure.

I, you know, I think we agree on a lot of these things, Chad, but I think my main focus is like, hey, if you're going to designate these cartels as terrorist group and bond the shit of them, why the fuck are we not going after Big Pharma? Like, this is, I keep going back to this because this is the main culprit in this whole situation is you got Americans hooked on oxy cotton, on pain killers, and then you took them off of it, so then they had to go into fentanyl. That's how I'm perceiving the situation. You know, that's kind of the narrative that I subscribe to.

And, you know, it's really sad because that, look, they are killing not only Americans, but they're killing all of these people that live under terror under the cartel as well. And that's the main difference. Like, also, like, let's just let me, let me explain something. In Mexico, you don't need prescriptions to get medicine. Like, I can walk into a pharmacy in Mexico and I can get, like, antibiotics. I can get testosterone if I don't get really jacked. If I want Ozempic, I can just go get it really without, you know, prescription because that's just how Mexican pharmacies work.

So, like, if they wanted to go get, you know, these painkillers, they probably could get it a lot easy. Even if they do require a doctor, I think some does require, some medicines do require doctor prescription. Like, you can bribe a doctor in Mexico pretty easily to get that prescription. I know people that have done that to go get their pills, you know, like that because they were addicted to it. So, I mean, it's like, that's, you know, when you say it's a cultural difference. Yeah, it is probably a cultural difference. They probably don't want to be killing Mexicans. But at the same time, like, the doctors weren't handing it out like candy there.

I mean, like, you can literally go and really buy it if you wanted to. But, you know, no one's really going out and buying it because, you know, they're like, they know better than that shit. And what's sad is, like, you pointed it out. Like, hey, three, four thousand people who died. in 9-11. Like, why did we all come together? Hey, it's because these people were like wearing suits. They went to work in New York. And then suddenly these random people drove a plane through the building. Like, that's fucking horrible, right? But then we look at these people and we're like, oh, well,

they're just junkies. Like, they were up to no good anyways or like, you know, that's kind of how people view people who have drug problems. And I think that's like why this is also a humanitarian issue because we're looking at people who have drug problems. We're looking at people who are living under terror of these cartels. That is a humanitarian problem as well. Look, if bombing, like, I don't think bombing the shit out of Mexico is going to really kill off the cartel. I don't think you're really getting at the people who are behind this, which I think is Big Pharma. I think it's, you know, it's a distraction.

It's a show. It shows that you're tough on crime. But at the end of the day, like, you're not stopping the addictions. Thank you, Sergio. And Chad, last word to you? Yeah, last word is what Sergio said, Big Pharma. I agree. We should designate them as a terrorist organization because in a lot of ways they are.

They have put in place. a system to where people got addicted to opioids. But the reality of it is is that Mexico, and they took advantage of that. They knew what the big farmer was doing in the United States and not just Mexico, but also China. And if we think about it, one of our biggest adversaries, which is China, they say, hey, look,

all these people over there in the United States are addicted to opioids. And now, now these laws are coming through and they can't even get pain pills for people that actually need it in America anymore, we're going to give them what they need after all, but we're going to make it even more deadly and we're going to kill the shit out of people. That's what probably they were thinking, and that's exactly what they did. Big Pharma is a terrorist organization. But the reality of this is that I think at the end of the day, you have to look at what

is actually going on. Trump's talking about, hey, we should take over Gaza and rebuild Gaza. And because that's a, you know, for whatever reason we want to go over and make this. part of our, I don't know, whatever. And then they talk about Canada. Oh, Canada should be our 51st state. You know what? You know what state should be our 51st state is Mexico?

Because although they are one of our largest trading partners, we have a lot of issues with Canada, sorry, not with Canada, but with Mexico. We have a ton of issues with them. And specifically about fentanyl and the cartels and all the cartel members are coming through the United States. If we actually did take over Mexico, we would solve a lot more issues by

taken over Mexico than we would ever saw by taking over Canada or Gaza or any other country in the United States or America. So what I will say is that the cartel members in Mexico better watch their ass because likely what's going to happen is that our surveillance drones are going to be over the fentanyl labs. They're going to go to Mexico's president or whoever and they're going to say, hey, we have intel on these labs. You either do some or we do.

And if you don't, guess what? we're going to. And then if that shit starts getting back to the cartel members, you know who is obviously, you know who is subjected to... Yeah, yeah, you know who's talking. If they're going and you start seeing these labs scatter like a bunch of roaches when the United States goes and talks to the Mexican government,

then you know that they are compromised. And so I think it's going to be a massive thing that may go forward. I mean, we're talking about Russia, Ukraine. we talk about Gaza, Israel, but I think the Mexico-U.S. thing could be a massive issue. And I think it should be because I think that is what in most cases directly affects us on an everyday basis. All right. Thank you, Chad. We'll move on to the next question. And you guys have definitely established what is going on. So this last question about the border is more of why it is happening. And this touches a little bit on some of the talking points on the opposing sides. So, Chad, this goes to you first. Are Democrats pushing for relaxed border?

policies to increase their voter base or are Republicans using fear of immigration as a political tool to justify authoritarian policies? Yeah, of course, they are. I mean, they don't care about compassion. Democrats do not give a shit about compassion at all. I mean, you're talking about Democrats. You're talking about Joe Biden. Same Joe Biden in 1980s that basically called black people, you know, terrorists or whatever

he said it was, predators. I mean, that's what Joe Biden said back in the 1980s. And all of a sudden, Joe Biden and Kamal Harris come in, and they're in the most black administration ever in history. And they had to do everything they could to prove that. Of course, they don't care actually about compassion. They care about power. That's what they want.

And they know that the more illegal immigration you have, especially with all the laws that's coming into place, the more they can eventually turn those illegal voters in, or sorry, illegal people into voters, I guess I should say. And so that's the game. They want to flood the system. they want to grant amnesty as soon as they possibly can. They want to give them IDs.

They want to give them all the things they need to vote. That's why there is a massive system in place right now in many Democrat-led states to where they want to give all illegals IDs because, and then they also have the voter ID laws. In California, for example, it is illegal to show your ID at voting booths now. And so they're not even going with like, hey, we got to give illegals IDs to vote. We're just going to go with, we don't care who you are. just come up and vote for whoever you want to be president. That is the game they want to talk about.

And the proof is right in front of us. Every single time Republicans try to secure the border, we've done this forever, and especially under Donald Trump, Democrats block it in some way, shape, or form. There's a reason for that. And every time, either a Republican or conservative or whatever tries to enforce immigration laws or do anything about the actual border flow from Mexico, from various nations around the world. They do something to, they either sue them or whatever the case says.

They don't want the problem solved because they need the problem. They need the problem to benefit them. And I think the benefit to the Democrats is they want the voters. They want the legal is coming across the board. They want them to think, hey, guys, we're letting you across the border. So you've got to vote for us. That's what they want. They need a little legal immigration.

And they want to keep wages down. They want to strain public services, which are doing. We're spending, I mean, USAID just showed we spent $50 plus million just in New York City alone on illegals that are there, staying in hotels where now no one else can even stay there. This is what they want. The left isn't stupid. They know exactly what they're doing. And I've always said, the left is very calculated. They're not morons.

They're not ignorant. I know they come out all the time talking crazy stuff, especially after the 2024 election. but they're pretty calculated. They know exactly what their mission is. It's just that I think right now the United States American citizens are smarter than their bullshit they're trying to pedal on basically every other news station besides Fox News. Thank you, Chad. And Sergio, again, are Democrats pushing for relaxed border policies to increase their voter base

or are Republicans using fear of immigration as a political tool to justify their authoritarian policies? I would say yes to both questions. I mean, I think it's pretty clear, as Chad said, Democrats benefit from migrants coming over. I think that's a missed opportunity for Republicans because a lot of the, a lot of people that do come over from Latin America and Africa are Christian. I think that the Republicans could easily reach out to them and get them to be conservative. and be and vote Republican. I think that's actually probably a lot of those people are actually naturally more conservative.

They're Christian. They usually have like a mom and a dad and a few kids. You know, a lot of them when they're escaping either, you know, bad situations at home with failed governments like in Venezuela or Colombia or cartel violence like in Mexico or just general poverty in Africa. I think it's a missed opportunity on the Republican side to get these people to because these people like they've never seen a drag queen. A lot of them come from places where like they don't really see gay people. A lot of them come from places where, you know, they don't really understand DEI or, you know, all this kind of like liberal like stuff.

Like they don't really come from those places. Like those countries are very like traditional, you know, like they're even more traditional than certain parts of the U.S., right? And so to me it seems like a missed opportunity on the Republican side to pander to some immigrants and get them to go on their side, right? Like that's to me, that was to me like a missed opportunity on the Republican side. But I understand that the Republicans will use, you know, people coming in as an excuse to, past draconian measures, yes. Do I think we should let everyone through the border? Hell to the hell no.

Right. I do not believe that whatsoever. I think we need to know who's coming in. I think we need to be very strategic on it. But I just, I do want to say, like, that it's a missed opportunity on the Republican side, right? Because they also, like, all these people, like, they want to have kids. kids. Like, that's the people that the Republicans wish they were. They wish they were Christian. They wish they were straight. They wish they were having lots of kids. Like, okay, well, here are all these people that are coming in that are literally that what you want. They believe in the same things you do. They come from a culture that's very similar in terms of, you know, conservatism. So I can, I mean, that's kind of why it seems a little bit racist to me. It's like, okay, well, these people are coming in for help. They're. they believe in the same things that you do, but you don't want them, well, then what could it be,

you know, other than it's because they're not coming from the right countries or they're not the right type of, you know, white people or Christians or whatever. So I can see why the left feels that way. I mean, it's, it does feel that way a little bit. I'm not going to lie. Sergio, I'm going to pause you right there and let Chad respond. And then you'll get the last word on this. Sure. All right. So I agree with it. He said, by the way. I mean, I think that, you know, to his point, I think conservatives could play to the people that have come across the border. But the problem is that the second you start making exceptions, you're opening a door for all the amnesty. I mean, that's what it is. Amnesty.

And then once that happens, it's game over. You're done. And we've been down this road for years with politicians for years. Every time politicians say, oh, we're just going to deport the criminals and we'll just let the rest stay because they're working hard. it turns out an excuse for mass legalization of illegal immigrants. That is what it turns into, which leads to more illegal immigration. That's exactly what it turns into. And so every illegal immigrant, no matter how much they've, or even how long, I guess they've been here,

the problem is that that then means nothing. The law means nothing about our borders. We don't care about our laws. We don't care about what actually makes America America. Without a border, you do not have a country. And that is the number one. And if we don't enforce that, then why would anyone not come across the border, including terrorists?

And we don't always have the best system to figure out who the terrorists are and who they are not. They are very complex systems in place from ISIS or Russia or China that they will give them completely blank new identities, just like the CIA does for a lot of our CIA officers. And when they go into other countries. And so now we're just letting, we're opening the floodgates. We're making it so much easier on all these people, spies from Russia or China or whatever. And whereas in China and Russia, we have to work our ass off to create a backstory.

There's a reason why we have American citizens in jail and Russia and China and all these places because they believe that they were spies. And there's a reason why that their borders are so damn secure is because if we care about our national security, we have to care about our borders, number one. That's the, that's the, that's the, that's the least thing we have to carry about. Now, obviously, you go after violent criminals first, but that's common sense. And that's exactly what Tom Homan said has said the borders are. But you don't stop there.

You set up mandatory, either E-Verify or you stop giving work permits or something to people and start cracking down on employers that hire illegals. I mean, you've got to make it impossible for them to stay and work. And a lot of them will leave on their own. That's not even cruelty. that's just enforcing the law. I remember back 10 years ago when my brother had a hardwood flooring company. And it was one of the things for him, he had to try to figure out or verify who was legal,

who was not, because that was on him back then. That was actually longer 10 years ago. That was probably 20 years ago. It would be on his ass if he hired an illegal and then somehow he knew they were illegal. 20 years ago, it was a much different system than it is now. So if you do nothing, there's millions more that come. And that's exactly what's happened every single time we've tried to be compassionate. And we've got to stop pretending like it's some impossible problem to solve because it's not.

There are many things that we can do to solve this issue. I think the Trump administration is doing this right now currently. And what the Biden-Harris administration did was instigate and open the borders, open the floodgates. And there's a reason for that. We could have an entire debate about that alone. Why would you open the borders of a sovereign nation? and why would you desperately try to bring in as many people as you possibly could, no matter where they came from,

where they are terrorists, Chinese nationals, whatever. And then you look back at even after COVID. If we stopped people coming from China, they called Trump a xenophobic. Or after 9-11, they started talking about, well, we can't stop Muslim travel. But now all of a sudden, we just allow everyone in. It's a joke.

All right, Chad. It's a joke. Sorry, I'm going to stop you there. And actually, you'll probably have an opportunity to elaborate in the next section as well on some of what you were touching on. Sergio, you've got the last word before we move on to the actual immigrant situation. Yeah, for sure. And I think you hit the nail in the head when you were talking about employers, Chad.

I mean, this is to me the main issue is like, and this is why I think the Republicans are going about this the wrong way. I think, look, let me just take you back in time real quick. I know I love to talk about history. History is my favorite subject. I love the History Channel. But let me just take you back for a second, 1930s, Germany. Like, if you were a Jewish, German person, you were a German citizen. And then suddenly, through a declaration and a pen stroke, you were suddenly not a citizen, right?

And you were put into concentration camps. So conversely, like, I understand your point about amnesty. Like, with a penstroke, we could make these people legal and we could give them work visas and we couldn't figure out who's going through there. And I understand, like, hey, if we do this. that's just going to encourage more people to do it to come in and break the law. So I think you really hit the nail on the head when we're talking about like, why are we not going after the employers? Why is it like how do these people get housing,

apart from the ones like a government assistant? Sure, there's some of those that did happen during the Biden administration. Like, let's just not beat around the Bush about it. But let's talk about like, and there's millions more who didn't, right? They just got through. They somehow found a job, somehow found housing. Like, why are we not going after these people that are providing these jobs and housing to the illegals? Because if we did that, then it would be impossible for these people to stay and they would just go home by themselves.

I mean, I think that's the main thing that I would go after is that. But obviously, you know, we're, yeah, I mean, obviously it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, a lot easier to vilify, you know, these people crossing the border than it is to take responsibility on like, you know, all of these people that are, um, that are hiring these illegals. And then like, sometimes some people in the left will be like, don't you like, don't you like having cheap vegetables and all this stuff? It's like, yeah, I do. But at the same time, like, I don't want slave labor. Right. This is essentially what it is because these immigrants come. They're already breaking a law by being here. They're accepting a job for like $5 an hour under the hot California

sign picking all, you know, almonds or whatever, tomatoes or whatever the hell they're picking and they're going to pay nothing. Like, imagine you're an immigrant lady and then like, you know, another immigrant or your boss sexually molests you and like, where are you going to go? You can't go to the cops because you're an illegal, right? Like, you're basically a slave and a indentured servant at that point. So, I mean, I look at the left and I say like, okay, so this is what you want because this is horrible for these people as well. And like, I get it. They need a job. They need to work. And they're providing a service. But at the same time, like, you know, people like to say, oh, the crime rate is so much lower among illegals and it is among, you know, American citizens. And it's like,

yeah, because they're probably not reporting crimes because they're scared to report it. Right. So, I mean, I think like going after the people that make life easy for illegal immigrants in the U.S. is probably the way to go. I would go about it rather than, you know, rounding these people up and, you know, scaring them. And I think, you know, I think that strategy might work. We'll see how it goes. I mean, it's, you know, we were only a month into it. So.

All right, Sergio, I'm going to stop you right there. I'm going to reclaim some of my time here. I'm sounding like Marjorie Taylor Green. actually when I'm saying this. No, I do just want to say one thing to Sergio's point real quick, is that I agree with him. The problem is, and is this something I said to Nathan the other night, or Nathan said to me, actually, and Nathan said, you know, hey, when you go on debate, just understand that, like, yes, they're illegals, but you also have to understand that, like, the government incentivized them to come into the country.

And it's like, hey, they're like, hey, come in the country. No, you're good. We're going to give you cards and freaking airplanes. cell phones and we're going to put you up in luxury hotels and they're like, thank God, thank God, because like so many of these, and I always say this, the vast majority of these people are not bad. And a lot of these people are people are people, just like we all are, just like they are in Gaza or Israel or Russia or Ukraine, all the people that are dying in the war in Ukraine or

Russia and whatever, these are all people. These could very easily have been us. We were just born differently. We were born either in our current positions or not. And that's the reason why we have a chance to talk in the podcast. I guess my point to that is, is that I don't necessarily even think you can go after the freaking businesses because the businesses are just there to benefit off of the benefits, right? And, but unfortunately, you can't hold the government accountable because what Biden has done is basically pardon everybody that could be held accountable. And unfortunately, the people that are going to lose the most in this are the people that came across with the belief that they were going to have a better life based on what this bullshit administration over the past four years.

have told them. And that is the very unhumanitarian thing that our government has done. And I think over anything, if you look back at the Biden-Harris administration, whatever these people are going to be subjected to, I'm not talking about criminals. I'm talking about just actual normal people that wanted to come to America for a better life. These are the people that are going to hurt the most from this. And that's just the reality of it. Yeah.

All right. So both of you guys made great points. about why this is happening. But despite the reason, the bottom line is that we do now have millions of undocumented immigrants in this country. So this last section is specific to undocumented migrants and the deportation strategies. Sergio, you're first with this question. Should the U.S. deport all undocumented immigrants, or should there be a pathway to citizenship for those who are contributing to the economy and society with a focus solely on deporting those

who have committed violent crimes? I 100% agree. I think that would politically solidify the Republicans for the next 10 years if they did this. Because here's the thing. If Trump does an executive order and says, hey, if you're working in the fields, getting paid five an hour to pick my strawberries,

like, you're a good person. We're going to offer you a visa. doesn't even have to be like a pathway to citizenship. It could just be a temporary visa. So they're like, strawberry season is blank month to blank month. You're allowed to be here during those months. Your kid's allowed to go to public school during those months since you're here working. And you're going to be paying taxes and all that stuff, right?

Because they're legal. And then you go back to Mexico at that point. I think a lot of people would take that deal because they want to live in Mexico. they don't want to live in, you know, frozen in Minnesota or whatever. Like, it's like if you talk to them, a lot of them, like a lot of them are like trying to save up money so that when they go back, they can build a house on the land that they own or they can buy land and build a house. You know what I'm saying? Like this is not all of them. Some of them do want to stay.

And, you know, for that, like, okay, whatever. Like if you want to offer them pathway to citizenship, I think that would help Trump a lot because then those people would owe him their citizens. They would vote Republican forever. And those people, like I said earlier, like most of them come from conservative Christian countries. They don't, you know, like it's not like here in the U.S. where, you know, you have like woke people and LGBT people walking around like with no care in the world. Like we're, they're privileged in that way, those people because they can do that in the U.S.

But not in some of these other places where these people are coming from. So they're naturally more conservative, naturally a good fit for the Republican Party. I think they should deport all the criminals that came through, deport all the Chinese and Russian spies that came through. All of those people, like, definitely, like, we've got to get rid of them. I don't even understand how we let them through. I mean, I don't even understand why the hell we let TikTok be around. You know, I think. Or deep seek.

If you have deep seek on your phone, erase that shit right now. because the Chinese are spying on you. Okay. I'm sorry, I just have to throw that in there. But this is, I agree with Chad. We need to get all these criminals out. We need to round them up. And I think it would be a win for the Republican Party and for the, for Donald Trump personally.

If he were to offer these people temporary visas or even a way to citizenship for these people, I think that would be a really easy way to solidify. Republican win for the next two to three presidential elections. All right. Thank you. And Chad, again, the question is, should the U.S. deport all undocumented immigrants, or should there be a pathway to citizenship for those who are contributing to the economy and society

with a focus solely on deporting those who have committed violent crimes? Yeah, violent crimes, obviously is number one. But we have to understand why there is a lower wage in the United States and America. and we're talking about the minimum wage, right? And the reason why we have minimum wage so low is because of illegal immigrants. There's no question about that to me. Because when you have illegal immigration and you have people that are working for nothing, the slave labor, you then have people in companies and businesses that are incentivized,

just like the people that came across the border that were incentivized by the Biden-Harris administration to come across the border, you have companies now incentivizing the illegals to work for them. and under the Biden-Harris administration as well, they incentivized companies that would hire these people. That was what part of the DEI process was, diversity, equity, and inclusion. It wasn't just about black people that were actually qualified to went through flight schools or all this stuff that we always talk about.

Diversity, equity, inclusion actually exclusifies people of illegal immigration status in some cases to make for lower wages to where is slave labor, to where the government, makes more money, the companies make more money, and the people make less. And then also the American citizens do not have the job opportunities because if you are a white American male or a female white American male in the United States or America, and maybe you want to go and work for a position that someone that may be illegal or maybe identifies as a Mexican or a, I don't know, an Iranian, whatever the case is, you automatically

under DEI have a better chance of getting that job than anyone else. So then you start understanding why the minimum wage in the United States is so low. It's because we have all of this slave labor in the United States, and they don't have to pay a higher minimum wage at all. And the reality is everyone always talks about, and this is kind of a socialist view, but it's not actually a socialist if you think about it. If we had higher wages for people, right, to incentivize Americans to come to work in America at jobs, then we would have people that were able to afford things in America, even if prices

went slightly up, which we've seen over the past four years, even with all of the slave labor, if you have people making more money, they're able to afford slightly higher prices for goods. And the problem is with the inflation that we've seen over the past four years, it's not because of minimum wage went up. It's because the Biden-Harris administration completely killed all of the oil and gas in America. We are no longer energy independent. We are energy dependent on the Middle East. And so as soon as you start being energy dependent on the Middle East, every single thing goes up because the prices of the trucks that are hauling your goods, the gas prices, the grocery

store prices for housing goods and for importing goods and all of this stuff, all of that stuff goes up. But if you could incentivize Americans to come back to work, because we have a massive issue right now where there's a lot of Americans that are dependent on the system, welfare and all this other stuff, if you can incentivize those people to get paid more by going to work versus the government paying them to sit at home, then we stop the issue by saying that we have to have illegal immigration. We don't. We do not have to have a legal immigration. And then that will then create a a rightful path to citizenship. People are going to come into America and they say, hey, I want to make more money,

but I want to do it legally because now we do actually have Americans in place that are making good money and we have these jobs and they're competitive. But if you go through the rightful process to come in this country and you want to work and make more money than you've ever made in your life, now you have the opportunity. And by the way, at that point, you're not going to make slave labor. You're making the same amount of money than an American citizen would because you came through legally. All right.

And Sergio, go ahead and respond. Yeah. I definitely think that illegal immigration leads to essentially slave labor. I think that it's really crazy to me that the left defends it because, you know, it is an economic benefit for Americans. Like, it does mean groceries are cheaper. It means restaurants are cheaper. Like, if you ever go to a.

a freaking like Chinese restaurant, all the whole staff in the back of the kitchen is going to be freaking Mexican. And I mean, that's just, that's the case in big restaurants everywhere from Chicago to New York to L.A. to San Francisco. Like, it's just, you know, that's the, they work like agricultural jobs, meat processing, plants, restaurants, service industry. Those are the kind of jobs that those illegal people work. you know, we'll see if economically, if it makes sense to have a minimum wage and raise those.

I don't think Trump is pro-minimum wage, so I don't think we'll ever actually see how that works out. But, I mean, it is slave labor, and we just got to call it for what it is. I mean, these people, like I said, they could be in, they could be in dire situations, but they're afraid to go to the cops because they're not legal, right? So, I mean, they're essentially slaves. They're slaves to their employer. They're slaves to their situation. And that is something that I don't think anyone should be against.

I think the main difference here is like, how do we get? I mean, I think we both agree that, you know, that is a problem. I think the main difference here is like, I think there should be some sort of visas that are given to these people so that when they work here, then they can go back to their country after the harvest is done or, you know, some sort of pathway to citizenship. I think that might be a harder win to get through, but I think it would be a smart play for the Republicans, especially if they can court these people and get them in their camp. That being said, like, I think the main issue really lies in that these people, that these people, were brought in here under a promise and then, look, now they're stuck here because we let

employers give them jobs and all these things. Like, it's just, it's not right. I mean, to Chad's other point in terms of getting these people off welfare, like, I mean, good luck. Like, we've been trying to do that for forever. And to me, like, I would much rather in America have someone that is currently illegal that's working, you know, 80 hours. You know, as a chef, you know, at a, you know, local Chinese restaurant or whatever, then, you know, having like a gangbanger that's on welfare their whole life. You know, that's pretty much got illegal guns and, you know, terrorizing their neighborhood in Chicago. It's like, listen, these people could easily, you know, go out and start working these farm jobs, go in the back of the kitchen and start working these jobs, but they don't want to. And that's the sad part.

You know, I think we built a lot of people that are expecting to be paid by the government. And I think that was a big mistake also from the Biden-Harris administration. They basically started doing the same thing that they did to people in the inner cities to the newly arrived illegal immigrants. So like, here's some handouts so that you can vote Democrat. I'm going to pause you there, Sergio, Chad. you have your time to respond. And then, Sergio, if you would like to reclaim your time, to be fair, you'll have a free pass to do that.

All right, no worries. All right. I'm not even going to talk about what he just responded to. What I want to kind of mention, and I don't know if this is the best place to mention this. And Sam, you're the moderator, so you are in control of this. You can say if this is okay or not. I just want to make sure, because we did this podcast. And listen, Sergio, by the way, we appreciate very greatly that you listen.

our podcast and all this stuff. But we've got a, I have got, you don't ever really talk a lot of shit about Sherry, but you do talk a lot of stuff about how I refer to either illegals or otherwise, in many cases, whether it's messages or comments or whatever. So I'm going to give you the opportunity right now to whatever your biggest gripe with me on anything I've ever said that I'm wrong about when it comes to illegal immigration or anything else. I want you to have your opportunity right now to state that because,

I know that like this debate we've had equal opportunities. We've had the exact same questions. We have the exact same amount of time to answer. But I feel like that I just want to make sure that our listeners know that, yes, I have heard from you for like a while. And I just want to make sure that you have the absolute opportunity to say any of your biggest gripes on anything I ever say to or have ever said on a podcast or you respond to us, whether it's in comments or messages or whatever.

I want you to have the opportunity to say that. And I don't know if now's the time, Sam, you can let me know. I don't know how many questions we have left, but. Yep. We only have two left. So let's hold that till the end. That way we can get your opinions on both of these two. And, you know, if something comes up in either of these, that might be his biggest

gripe about you, Chad. Okay. So, Sergio, did you have anything else you wanted to add with your free pass on reclaiming some time on this one? I just think that. So I just want to emphasize my point. which is, and I think, Chad, you also kind of agree to it at this point where it's like these people, like, it's easy to vilify them, especially because, you know, we label them. They're illegal. They're bad, all this stuff. But at the end of the day, most of these people probably don't have an education. They probably bear, they don't speak English, a lot of them. Maybe some of them can't even freaking read. Right. Like they're like they're pretty conservative. They're Christian. They, you know, they've lived in their lives in terror. Then they get this opportunity to come to the U.S. Right. And then they get here. They get greeted by the Biden-Hare administration. They get given these things. And they think like, wow, these people are really nice. And then suddenly they get vilified. They get turned around. They get putting planes taken back. Like it just looks bad on us. And like, I just feel bad for these.

these people, like, I don't think these people read the news. I don't think these people, like, no offense to the education systems in Colombia, Venezuela, or Mexico, or Congo, or, you know, Haiti or wherever. But it is, I mean, if our education system is bad, I know theirs is even worse, right? So, I mean, I, like, I don't like, and this maybe goes into a little bit about my biggest gripe is I think we just spent way too much time hating on these people versus like figuring out why they even showed up here in the first place. All right. I'm going to hold you there, Sergio, because our last two questions,

you will definitely be able to elaborate on that last point that you made there. Cool. So, Chad, this one goes to you first. Do undocumented immigrants contribute to higher crime rates in the U.S.? Or is this a misconception that's perpetuated by certain political agendas? I believe they do. And anyone who basically says otherwise, I think, is just not accurate. The problem is that we like to cherry pick stats, right?

This is what we've seen over the past, especially four years. Whereas we used to have, for example, the FBI crime stats. And the FBI crime stats are used in various ways. For example, when they were used, release, and there's all these news agencies that release the most dangerous cities in America to live, all of those stats are coming from the FBI crime data. And we started to see that these crime data stats over the past four years under Biden Harris started not to be released anymore. And we wondered why. Well, why would that be the case? Because then you're going to see a

massive influx in crime in other regions, especially where illegal immigration was prevalent versus non-prevalent regions of immigration. So do they contribute to crime? Absolutely, they 100% do. We saw it in Trendaragua and Aurora. We saw it in Denver. We saw it in New York City. Lake and Riley.

She was murdered by a Trinderwagua gang member, and I'm saying that a little different, but this is happening. But also, the problem is with data is that, for example, there were an entire gang of illegals that were arrested. I think it was in Colorado, if I'm not mistaken. And then there was also another instance in California where we all these people that were non-legal citizens of the United States. And if you go to their actual mugshots and you look at what they're charged with,

if you look at what their actual race is, it says white on there. It'll say white. It's not Mexican. It's not Venezuelan. It's none of that. It literally says white because what the individual is. administration wanted to do was they wanted to hide the stats of the illegal illegal immigration crime statistics. And this is what they wanted to hide from America. And they utilize this across

all of mainstream media. All of the mainstream media, they utilized this and said, well, we're not actually seeing an increase in, you know, non-white or non-black crime. We're actually just seeing an increase here, whether it's black crime or white crime. So they are men. manipulating the stats, and there's zero question that the illegals that have come across our border have contributed to crime. And it's not just the past four years. If you ask many law enforcement agencies across the country, whether it's Los Angeles, San Diego, many Texas agencies, Florida, you name it. They can all tell you that they deal with MS-13, Senilewa cartel, all of that on a regular basis. And this puts our law enforcement officers in the United States at a constant,

danger because not only do they not know necessarily the history of their crime because they have come from either Mexico or South America and they do not have data in their system on what their rap sheet is because one of the one of the key factors in law enforcement to be able to determine how they approach a vehicle or a person especially in the United States of America is their rap sheet you know you would like to be able to know before you go to a car if someone has attempted to murder a police officer before or if they have been one. wanted for murder in another country or a state or whatever the case is. And the problem is a lot of times our law enforcement officers because they're illegal and because

of how the administration, especially the past four years, has hidden that information or has given them completely new identities, that puts our law enforcement officers, the guys that go every single day that go through the freaking academy, they bust their ass to get through the academy, and then they go every single day and leave their wives and children to go and protect you in America, they do not have that data. And that is subjecting them to death, to all of these things. And the problem is there's no question that illegal immigration contributes a crime. And then one day it's right.

Let's pause right there, Chad. Hold that thought. Wait, wait. Hold on. I want to say one last thing. It's not one day it's not just going to contribute to a legal or sorry, to crime or to a officer death. It's going to contribute to another 9-11, if not bigger.

And that is what we have to be looking at for. Go ahead. All right. And Sergio, again, the question is, do undocumented immigrants contribute to higher crime rates in the U.S. or is this a misconception that's perpetuated by certain political agendas? That is a great question. And I think overall, I would venture to say, I mean, first of all, Chad is right. Like, we know that they took out the crime rates from the biggest cities when they were saying, like, oh, the crime rate actually dropped under Biden.

and it was like, no, it didn't. It actually went up in big cities, right? That also brings up another point. It's like where a lot of these immigrants, like, it really depends on where they go. I think the immigrants that go to big cities end up committing a lot of crime because, you know, it's just that's the big city. That's how it is. That's where it is. They get there and they realize like, oh, shit, there's all this crime. happening in the city. I mean, I'm already a criminal by being here, so why don't I just go and join in on it? I think the ones that go into the fields in California, Arizona, you know, go to the meat pack, like the meat plants in Texas and Illinois, I think all those people,

like, you know, they're probably more afraid of crimes being committed against them and they're not being able to go to the cops and get protected. than they are, you know, then they are about committing crimes and other people. So I think it really just depends on, first of all, where they're coming from, second of all, where they're going.

You know, not to, you know, put stereotypes on places, but, like, for sure, there are places where people are coming from where you know they're not going to be, like, workers. Like, let's just say this. Like, all of the people that are picking your vegetables

and plants, they're all probably Mexican. The people that are working construction, most of them are probably going to be Mexican. What are these Venezuelan guys, these Colombian guys doing? I mean, I don't know. It's not like, you know, Venezuela,

it's not like they grow a lot of stuff and sell it to the U.S. like Mexico does, you know. So they already have all this labor that's agricultural labor. So, you know, it really, I think it really depends on where they're coming from. on what their intention is to the U.S., but for sure they add to the crime.

I mean, it's like, you know, these people are coming through, who knows what they're bringing, who knows who they're with, you know, all the children that were lost at the border. All of that is, you know, a failure of the previous administration, for sure.

But I think a failure on just America's part in general, and I think Chad made up a good point, like, look, the most, the safest we'd make our, border is making Mexico or 50 for state. I agree and disagree with that statement for many reasons, but let's just say, I mean, I think he's right in that we drop the ball on taking control of our border by not working with Mexico, whether there are state or not.

I think there is something to be said about, like, we need to be freaking looking at who's coming into Mexico, not just the U.S. Because those people that come into Mexico might be coming into Mexico to come into the U.S. And if we have that database, like I said, this is what Europe does in the EU. I'm not saying we should make a North American Union. I'm not saying Mexico should be the 51st state. But I'm saying like if we really want to control over our border, we would take control of Mexico's borders as well. All right.

Let's hold right there. And Chad, if you'd like to respond. Yeah, I think the only thing I get to say about that is like with the legals that are coming in and going to New York and big cities, they're already criminals. I personally don't think that, you know, back to what Sergio's kind of point is on this is that if we want to be compassionate about the people that are coming across our borders, we have to understand that a lot of those people are not criminals. And so I don't think a lot of those people that are coming across our borders that then end up in big cities become criminals. I think they already were, and I think that's the problem. I think a lot of these people that are in New York and in Los Angeles and wherever they're at, they are already criminals that want to then capitalize on the fact that the government is incentivizing them to commit crimes.

And they also know that if, and this is the past administration, but they also know that if they commit crimes in various ways, especially because they're illegals, and they're being funded by the administration and the U.S. taxpayers, keep in mind, We have literally been funding these people that are coming in to disrupt America. And these people know that. They 100% understand, hey, look, Venezuela is very hard on us. We know that Venezuela and other countries literally emptied their prisons to bring to America. And then when they get to America, they understand that America is like a million times less harsh on them than their own countries were.

That's the problem. and now we have the big daddy Trump in office and his and his administration and that shit ain't flying no more. It's just not. And so I think we have to be very, in some ways, very stern and very calculated and how we get these people out. And it's not just necessarily the people we know for sure criminals. We have to evaluate many cases across the board.

And I do believe personally that if you are here, illegally that you should not be here. And that's just my stance. I don't care how you got here or whatever the case is. We do not know whether or not you are a criminal or not based on all the stuff I've already said before. You're already a criminal because you came here illegally. And you knew it was illegal. You knew the, I mean, most these people knew when you come across the border it's illegal. But the thing about it is, is that at the end of the day, we have an administration in right now that the left is desperately trying to protest because of they are disrupting what their overall arching plan was, which is to destroy

America from within. And they didn't necessarily care about bringing in all of these people that just wanted a better life. They wanted to bring in the criminals. That is what they wanted to do. They didn't want to bring in people that actually wanted a better life. If anyone actually out there thinks that Democrats actually gave a shit about people in Venezuela or Mexico or the Middle East or China or Russia, that we actually cared so much.

about them, we wanted to bring them across the border. That's ridiculous. That's not what they wanted. They wanted, at the very least, voters, and at the very most, they wanted criminals to completely upend the sovereignty of America, and they knew that the black and white issue was not going to work for civil war, so they had to get some type of cultural or religious battle in America, and that is what their goal was. All right.

And last word to you on that, Sergio. Yeah, I mean, I agree with Chad on this, and I think this is what. my biggest pet peeve sometimes with the podcast is that it's so easy to vilify the illegal immigrants and the transsexuals when it's like what are the policies that allowed this to happen and I feel like we should be mad at those people instead of the people that you know were encouraged to come across the border because they were giving out cell phones and hotels and everything um shit like if they were like oh if you come to Spain and we'll give you a free cell phone and luxury hotel. Hell yeah, I'm going. I mean,

Spain's a great country. It's beautiful European country, great food, nice weather, you know, or wherever, Germany, let's say, or Sweden, right? Like, I mean, why wouldn't you want to go for a free ride? I think everyone would want to go. I mean, so it's like human nature to want to do that. Like, yeah, it sucks for the people living there, but if they're offering it to you, why not? Like, I mean, why wouldn't you take it, right? So there's a little bit of a bait and switch that I have a problem with here. And I think that that's, that's really this last administration. And I think it really started because the Democrats were able to find anger in their base, based on the images of kids in cages. Like, let's, but let's, let's, let's, let's, let's be fair here. Obama also had

kids in cages. He actually started it, right? Like Trump was just continuing what Obama had already started. And let's not forget, Obama was caught giving guns to the cartel. Okay, so let's not forget that either. So the Democrats then use this child in cages, you know, to get people really pissed off. Obviously, the main issue was COVID that drove people to the polls in 2020. I'm not a believer that the election was stolen. So, I mean, we can, let's talk about that later. I think they did win it, you know, by a slight margin, and that's just my personal belief. And I think they won it by manipulating these images of COVID and of the border. Now, once they get in power, they decide like, hey, we're going to double down on this border proud strategy because it really

worked for us in the election. You know, we're going to start offering. sanctuary, we're going to get rid of her main Mexico policy that was unpopular. And then as these policies start to take place, and we all know Kamala Harris did jack shit. I mean, I don't even know why she got elected as VP. I don't know. I mean, picked for VP before Biden won. I don't know what the fuck she even did while she was, you know, VP, certainly nothing at the border. I mean, I lived at the border my whole life. I never saw anything she ever did here.

But, you know, it's like they doubled down on this strategy and then it didn't work and people started getting pissed and then suddenly she started becoming tough on the border and all this stuff. It's like, listen, people don't want to see kids in cages. People don't want to think that America is building a concentration camp in Guantanamo Bay. People don't want to think that. we're the bad guys and we're putting people into these horrible situations. And maybe we are, maybe we aren't. But like, people don't want to be evil. Okay.

Nobody wants to be evil. Okay. At the same time, nobody wants to have an open border and just like let people take advantage of us. That just doesn't make sense. So what is the solution that makes sense for both sides, right? Like how? Let's pause.

let's pause right there for just a moment, Sergio, because actually this last question, you can probably lead right into it. So this is our final question. And once we're done with this, Sergio can tell everybody why he hates Chad so much. So should U.S. taxpayer, should U.S. taxpayers fund public services

for undocumented immigrants, or should benefits be strictly reserved for legal citizens? Can you repeat the question real quick? Yeah, sure. So should U.S. taxpayers fund public services for undocumented immigrants, or should benefits be strictly reserved for legal citizens? As far as I'm aware, most public goods are only for U.S. residents or citizens. I know some oflegals paid taxes. They do get access to a few benefits, but obviously, I mean, I think it should be for citizens.

I mean, there's no way, you know, if an illegal is not paying taxes, they shouldn't be part of it. And that's the hard part because it's like, you know, some illegals do pay taxes. Like, we know that. I mean, Chad, you've said that. You have some of your listeners that told you that, you know, they do. But it's like, how do we even keep track of that if someone's illegal? Right. I mean, it's like, it just doesn't make sense.

So, yeah, I mean, I don't think the benefits should extend to them. Do I think that they should have rights like everyone else? Yeah, I think they should have their Miranda rights if they get arrested. Like, for sure they should have their Miranda rights. I think they should have a right to an attorney. I think they should have the right to free speech, even if they're illegal. And I think those are important because I think those are universal human rights versus benefits. A universal human right, I mean, like, I think every human on earth should have freedom.

of speech. I don't care if you live in Russia, in Iran, in China. You should have freedom of speech. If you don't want to fight for it, that's cool. America, we fight for it. You saw this President Trump fight for it for the last four years. I mean, that's just what America does. And I think that that freedom of speech should be allowed to everyone, regardless of your immigration status, freedom of religion should be allowed for everyone, regardless of your immigration status. All those, to me, are universal human rights, everyone should have those rights. But when we're talking about Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, I don't know how many illegals can actually access that.

I would love to see Doge go into that and try to figure it out. I doubt a lot of them do have access to it. And that's going to be my answer to that one. All right. Thank you. And Chad, I read the question for you once more. So should U.S. taxpayers fund public services for undone, documented immigrants, or should those benefits be strictly reserved for legal citizens?

Yeah, zero percent chance that illegal citizens or sorry, illegal non-citizens should be afforded any taxpayer dollars because we have to understand that the money that is going into funding anyone in this country through the government is through us. when we go to work every single day and we have to put out a certain amount of money in every single check, that is taxpayer dollars. That is what is going to fund illegals. And then when those people can work or do things or benefit off of U.S. taxpayer dollars but do not have to pay taxes, which Sergio is correct, there are some illegals. I would say probably pre-Biden and Harris administration that got some type of system to where they do pay some type of

of taxes. I understand that. But the problem is, is that what USAID is finding, think about the amount of money it cost for the millions and millions and millions and millions of people that have come across our border where we have housed them, we have put them in luxury hotels. We have literally closed hotel rooms, $56 million alone in New York City. That's just New York City we found out about. And then think about all of the 737 flights across the country, the bus trips, the

who knows how the hell they actually got here. All of that money, all of that money was paid on the backs of every single United States taxpayer, every single amount of that. And a lot of these new illegals, I will call them new illegal immigrants that have come in illegally to the country, do not pay taxes. And so they're getting the greatest benefit over any U.S. citizen, right now and not having to put anything back into the system at all. So absolutely the United States government should not be funding this illegal immigration agenda that they have improvised or I guess incentivized over the past four years.

And I think that's part of the plan. I think the New World Order and a globalist knew that eventually if Biden Harris did not get back in in 2024, they wanted to fund them to where they would have lives, they would have places to stay. They would have food and water. They'd have all they'd have all these things. And they knew that we couldn't get people against blacks and whites. So what we, what are we going to do? We're going to eventually, if Trump gets in, we're going to cut off their funding because that's what they're going to do. They already just did it. And then what happens when they start wreaking havoc in cities around the country is going to create chaos. And I think we're already

starting to see that in some ways. I mean, we're having protests in big cities. They're protesting Doge and Trump and all this stuff because they feel incentivized. They feel like Trump is the one that did this them, not Biden Harris, but Trump did. And this is the people that they depend on for their voters in the next election cycle. And they want Trump and Elon and Pete Hegseth and all these people. They want them to be the bad guys, not the people that actually brought them into this screwed up situation to where they knew exactly what was going to happen. Eventually it would be cut off and they were going to be without fun. without money, without food,

and then it was going to create chaos because that's always what the globalists want. They want chaos in America, and that's exactly what they're about to get. And that's why I always say, just because Trump is in now does not mean shit. We're about to see probably crazier stuff in the next four years than we've seen the last four years.

So to Sergio's point, I don't disagree with Sergio on some things for sure. I think Sergio, I think if he was like a, really far leftist, he would never, ever in a million year, step foot on this podcast. Because, I mean, because you would have literally zero factual basis to support anything that you would say. And that's the way I see a lot of the far leftist agendas or ideologies. These people that are out there protesting right now against the people that are finding fraud

and abuse and misappropriation of taxpayer dollars, if you bring those people on a podcast, what the hell are they going to argue? Like what is going to be their stance? So, Sergio, I at least applaud you with the fact that, you know, you at least have a stance. You don't completely disagree with what I say. But I do feel like you've been more critical in messages and comments than you have been on here. And that's why earlier I said, if you have anything, anything at all that you have a gripe about me at all to say. I want you to say it here rather in comments or messages.

All right. And actually, Sergio, this would normally be your time to respond to Chad's response to that question. And then Chad would have the last word. But at this point, I'm going to take my moderator hat off and I'm going to sit and listen. And Chad, Sergio, let's have a live reenactment of your Facebook comments. First of all, I just want to say, I really respect you. Like I said, you guys are my favorite podcast, period. For sure, my favorite conspiracy.

But, like, you're my number one podcast on Spotify, five stars, even if I disagree with you guys. You know, I'm a little bitch on Facebook with you just because, like, I mean, I don't know. I just never really thought we would ever get to have this kind of interaction. And, you know, we've talked about all my biggest gripes. My biggest gripe, though, is like, why are we spending time on these cultural war things, like, with about transgendered or illegal immigrants when, like, there's bigger things at play. Like, these illegal immigrants, like, they're not educated. They're not, they barely speak English. They, like, don't really know anything.

You know, so it's like, why are we blaming them for the situation that, you know, the people of the elites got us in? That's my, that's kind of like my main thing, which I've already said. So the other reason is like, I mean, I feel like, you know, sometimes like there's just, you know, we get passionate and then we say things about people. And then like I get like passionate about because you're passionate on the thing. And I'm like, hey, you know, I don't think it's that way. So then, you know, I'll message you about it. And like I said, like I'll literally message you 30 minutes after you drop an episode. I'm like, no, no, I don't agree with that.

Um, but it's just like in good fun. And I do apologize if, um, any of that like ever, you know, hurt your feelings or made you feel like a certain way. I want to say like, I respect the shit out of you guys. You guys like fought for your freedom of speech. You guys like went through hell. Every freaking week you guys bust out episodes. You bust your ass out. Um, you give your opinions.

You have assholes like me commenting. on your thing, but you're still keep going. You're far less than some of them, Sergio, I promise. Oh, my God. You, I have multiple people blocked and I just see their message requests every day. And I'm like, and they talk way more shit than you do. And I'm just like, why do you keep commenting on after every episode, which I've thought about that about you before as well.

But I was like, okay. And that's why, but I respected you enough because there were times where you're like, hey, you talk shit. And listen, I have always said this on the podcast, Sergio. I know that everyone's not going to agree with what we say or what I say. But badass respect to you for the fact that you've listened to us for so long, even disagreeing with so many things. And even the fact that you would come on our show, our podcast, where our listeners obviously listen to us. And so that's very brave for you to do.

And I do appreciate that. and I want to make something very clear to everyone listening right now. This is not like a set up thing. Sergio and I have been back and forth at it for a year and a half. And this is not some shit where we brought Sergio on and was just like, yeah, we're going to do a debate. No, we, you know, this is real. This is reality. And I've said so many times, like, and trust me, Sergio, I would love to have someone even way far lefter than you.

like way on the other spectrum. I would love someone on the exact opposite spectrum. But tell him why. But tell him why, because Chad was telling me, like, while you're talking, he's like, if I had somebody far left, they would not be as smart as Sergio. No, they wouldn't. No, they wouldn't. Because the reality of it is that someone on the far left is not going. And by the way, Sergio, I actually thought you were more likely on the far left than you were anything because I didn't, I mean, coming into this.

And Sergio, you can tell everybody, we, you would even mention, hey, maybe we should talk, you know, before, whatever, just break dice. And I was like, yeah, I mean, we'll do that on some shows. But I was like, no, let's just go straight into us. I've never talked to Sergio before besides all the shit we've seen on social media. And I said, let's just go straight into it. I messaged Sam. And I said, Sam, can you do this fairly? Because I said, I don't want to know the questions.

I want it to be fair. I want it to be for both of us. Yeah, but I think both of you had very logical and great points. And I think more to everything that your points align, but they're just off a little bit. It's more like it's not black and white. It's just gray. And I get your compassion for people. And I think that's where Sergio comes from is he has a great compassion for people.

What are you trying to say, Sherry? I'm just saying he's compassionate for people. But you just have to realize there is a way. to come into our country legally. And you've got to remember that. You know, you don't have to come illegally. If you want to come to our great nation and you want to come legally, we want you here. I have so many friends, you know, and I was thinking about this whole debate.

You know, I've had so many friends that came in legally and went through the process. And that process is really hard. They know more than most Americans know. They have to take a test. And they have to know everything about America to become an American citizen. And they're proud of that. And they're proud to become an American. And I think where the difference is is these people are just coming into our country now.

They don't give a crap about America. They just want to come to America. But they want to bring their beliefs with them. And to me, if you're coming into America, you're coming into America to be an American citizen. By the way. And I think that's very important. And some of the Sherry's point and something I think Sergio kind of said earlier was like if conservatives could, I think Sergio said, if conservatives or Republicans could incentivize or at least capitalize on the people that are coming across.

And I've said this before, I believe, as well, a lot of these people are coming across that are fleeing countries that Biden and Harris would have made sure that this country turned into. And if the Republicans could just be like, look, I know you guys are here. You're here illegally. You are definitely illegal. But like, here's the deal. We're going to.

And I think Trump still probably needs to do this. we're going to find every single criminal we possibly can. We're getting them the hell out of here. For those that are here. Well, Tom Haman is doing that. Yeah, for those that are here, here's the way it's going to be from here on out. Well, wait, wait, hold on. We're going to afford you the rights.

We're going to do whatever. Potentially, that's the thing. And then I think you get a voter base because I think a lot of those people are going to vote for Trump, a Trump versus a Biden. But it's interesting that you say that because Obama and Hillary Clinton both came out. and said that. I didn't know you've seen like the videos of them in the past when they were you know, anti-criminal legal immigration. Yeah. And they said, listen, if you're a hard worker's and whatever, we're going to let you

stay here, but we're going to make you pay a hefty fine, but we're going to let you stay here and da-da-da-da-da and da-da-da-da. They were doing the same thing, but now all of a sudden they're different. Yeah, for sure. And if I could, can I jump in for just one second? Nope, Sam. No, sorry. Shut up. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I should get at least three minutes. Yeah, you should, absolutely. I just want to say that, you know, I've been on the podcast several times and I feel like one thing that we have talked about often is that we are far more alike than different in this country.

And I think there are actually very few people that are on like the extreme sides of this polarity. I think the vast majority of us exists somewhere in the like left leaning right. leaning or like center left, center right, or even just in the center. And I think this entire thing tonight is just indicative of how important it is that people talk because we came into this. This was supposed to be a debate. You know, I'm expecting Sergio to be like some major Chad hater and that y'all are going to go at it. But as it turns out, this really just turned into more of a discussion, I think, than anything else. And if we could just talk to one another, there are people that, you know, I don't mind talking to anybody. I don't care if you disagree with me

or not. I'll still talk with you. And there are some people that are very intelligent and they make great points to back up their argument. And it's not that they're wrong necessarily. It's just that at the end of the day, I just don't agree. You know, like they are making supportive points of their argument. It's just I'm not on the same page with them. And I really think most of us exist in that part of the country. And if we would just talk to each other, we could be so much more successful. Our political system has become this extreme divide. And I just don't think it's representative of the people of this country. I totally agree with you, Sam.

I think that it really started with in 2016 when Hillary Clinton called all the Trump voters deplorable. How are you going to call 50% of the country deplorable? That is one of the stupidest things ever. And then Biden goes and does it again. And Mark Cuban calls all the women who are voting Republican. Like, let's say 50% of the country is Republican, 25, of half of that 50, aka 25% is female. Like, how are you calling 25% of America, you know, stupid? Like, it just, you know, it doesn't really make sense.

And to your point, like, I wanted to come in here and show you, like, there is more in common between the left and the right than we think about it. we obviously get caught up in like, you know, the illegal immigrants and the transsexuals in the bathroom and in the sports and all this stuff and like that. Cultural issues to me, I'm sure they're important for some people, but I think most of the time they're distractions. And I think they're used as distractions to divide us when in reality we all want the same thing, which is we want America to prosper. But yet distracted by these tiny little things that just.

make no sense. And I just want to say, like, one thing I admire about Chinat Sherry is, like, they've been through the legal system. I mean, I literally went through the legal system as well. This is why I relate to Trump. I know that the legal system is weaponized. It's been weaponized against me. I know that you guys have been through the legal system where you're fighting, like, a big company, and, you know, you feel like you're helpless. Like, all these things, this is what attracted me to chat and sherry like so closely you know just to hear their story here like okay like you guys have been through similar thing that i've been through but i'm on the left and you guys are on the right that's so that was so interesting to me and by the way by the way Sergio we

looked we looked at your facebook pictures and we have determined that you are mario lopez's son you you are you are like if ac slater and uncle jesse had a baby you. Oh, my God. I, e, you're handsome. Yes. You are very dreamy. And I say that as the, um, the lesbian representative of this podcast.

Hey, me. Oh my goodness. Maybe you guys could hook up. Maybe it happened. I can. Uh, but no. No. Yeah.

So, Sergio. I mean, like I said, I think that, I think the interesting thing about it is, is that if I think the big thing here is, is, is. that, especially on social media, because I got to be honest. And if I, if I have to post receipts of the shit you have talked over the past year and a half, oh my God. Oh my God. I think I've talked to you a couple of times.

Yeah. I think sure he has also. And I tried to calm you down. Like, calm down. You are what I don't remember. But the point is, but the point to that is like, I think there, I think what that really means is like if people can talk, right? If people can discuss things, I think that's the.

loss of of rhetoric, right? And I also think that gives the government and the elites more power. Yes. The more you don't talk, the more they have power. Yep. And so the more divide that they can create. And all the divide is, is just you not communicating with each other. And I think that's also a problem with X is like X has factions of people.

You have, you have groups. And that's the way it is in everything. That's the way it is in politics, the UFO community. Right now you see the UFO community like being split. in various ways. Like they are disinformation agents. They are actual people. Then you have Ashton Forbes and that whole deal.

And there's just so much about like politics of politics, if that makes sense. And everything is politics nowadays. And so I'm glad that we talked. I know that we could hang out and have a beer and chill out and whatever and we'd be cool. And trust me, I know people that are way far lefter. than you, even though they would never come on the podcast ever in a million years, which I do encourage, by the way, anyone that's out there that was really hoping,

like Sergio would just destroy or, you know, kill me or whatever. If you want to come on and try this fine, and I don't think anybody, I'm not missing. I don't think that what the point is is there is a common ground here. Yeah,

absolutely, for sure. Yeah, and it's not a, I mean, it was kind of a competition for me, going in because I'm competitive and I always want to be like, hey, I, you know, I want to make my point. I want to make sure that right about him.

He's right about that. But at the same time, I don't think that I think you're very respectful. I think that you're knowledgeable. I think that you have a good heart. And that's what's most important. And, you know, honestly, Sergio, I've said this to Sherry before. I said, you know, if there's anyone in Sherry and I's relationship that has a bigger heart than I do is Sherry.

Yeah. 100% and I and I 100% know that and that's a good and bad things at times. It protects me, I guess. And I think I think part of why sometimes I have a smaller heart for some things is because of maybe my past or whatever. No, but we both had abuse of passes. So that's not an excuse, bro. Yeah, but you, but you just, you just came out on the other side of it. Sherry's a saint.

I mean, like, I'm no saint either. I mean, you've seen my messages. is like I look I'm like I said I've never you've never apologized to you on messenger too you know I'm like yes I listened to your podcast there's one thing that triggers me and I'm like you know it felt to me like I'm just streaming into an echo chamber these people are never going to hear what I'm saying and then like you would reach out and I'd be like oh well hey you know and then this and then this and like I'm not going to back down because like I have an ego too right but then like when you invited me on I was like, okay, look, what do you actually want to accomplish is this? Do you want to punch the shit

out of Chad? Do you want Chad to punch the shit out of you? No, none of those. What I want is I want to form this like bridge where we're like, okay, this is like, this is like, this is like, this is, like, I have almost my entire life voted Democrat. I'm not going to say where I voted for the last two or three elections, but I, like, most of my life, I voted Democrat. I grew up being like, you piece of shit. Same time you did, um, tad in, in high school with like 9-11 and all this happening. Like, but I grew up with conspiracy theories being on the left wing. You know what I'm saying?

Like, yeah, when I was coming up, conspiracy theories were like, George W. Bush is evil. He's trying to. And by the way, he is. It turned out true. It turned out true. You're right. And I mean, like, it was like the, you know, Iraq war is all fake. the, you know, there's the new world order and all this stuff.

And so, like, when I was growing up and I was, I've always been a conspiracy theorist. I've always believed in, you know, ancient aliens, all this kind of stuff. And like a lot of my family does. Everyone in my family except myself has a PhD, which is kind of crazy. And half of them believe in ancient aliens, half of them don't. I'm on the half that does. And you went to Cambridge, right? Yeah, you should get your PhD.

in that stuff. Yeah. So you went to Cambridge. By the way, where the hell is Cambridge? I saw you went to Cambridge. Where the hell is that at? Is that like? Yeah, UK.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. No, I have a master. I have two master's degrees. So I'm not like complete idiot. But like I'm like what I'm trying to say is like I grew up as a conspiracy theorist.

And in my growing up as a conspiracy theories, all conspiracy theories were on the left. It was like Republicans are evil. George Bush is evil. The war in Iraq is fake. True. They're trying to do the new world order. And then like I've just, I've stuck to that view, worldview until I got really got to your pot.

Like I was leaning a little bit right as I was growing older. And then I got to your podcast and I started listening to you guys. And like if you look through our messages, like the first messages were always like way more wild because I was way more left wing. As I started listening to you guys, I was like, okay, these guys are making more sense. Um, you know, like they agree on these conspiratorial things that I agree on. But like from my side, it was always like conspiracy theories are a left wing thing because like Republicans are evil, right? And that's kind of like, you know, you guys have helped me change that viewpoint.

And now I'm more like center and I'm like, you know, conspiracy theories can be both left and right wing. And that's true, by the way, uh, because I was talking to Nathan's brother last night. He's like very, he knows like every, like the, he knows the Old Testament. He knows the New Testament. He knows all this. And I'm definitely going to F this up because I do not remember what he said. But there was some type of faction of people back in a day that were kind of like insiders that wanted or essentially were there to destroy the government from within.

And then there was always a faction of people that came through and said, hey, guys, we're going to make this great. And I am the God kind of, you know, is our. I am the Savior. Not the Savior is like in Jesus, but I mean, I'm just saying like... I'm coming to save your country or whatever. I'm coming to save your country like interpreting maybe Donald Trump. But if you're religious at all and you know anything about historical text and biblical studies or any of that stuff, you always know that that never lasts forever.

And we've had so many messages when we talked about. And that's why I started saying on the podcast, I said, you know, with all the negative stuff we talk about all the time and the New World Order and Trump. Trump and Biden and just kind of a deep state. There's so many people that have written us that really know like historical and biblical text that says no matter what you do or say, it's already written. You know, and so there's always been factions of people that want to destroy the nations from within.

This has happened since the beginning of time, and they always do it. And then there's always some uprising, but that does not last because there's going to be someone that breaks it down, and especially towards the end times, not biblically. I'm just saying, let's just talk about this conspiratorial. But I can get you guys in another debate right now about even the Civil War, because, you know, you talk about union and whatever. What were they? We're not going to go to another thing.

But I'm saying, like, to me, they say they change somehow, but I don't know how that's possible. Well, yeah, the Democrat Party did switch. Yeah, I don't get that at all. That's another, that's a whole other topic. A percent of Americans owned slaves and they were all Democrats. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, but I thought it was from the South. Mm-mm.

It was. Democrats used to control the South. Yeah. And, you know, there was a, I guess, they called it a flip when Kennedy started to support MLK. The Southern states didn't like that. So they turned Republican is what, you know, the mainstream kind of narrative of that goes. I mean, I think it has more to do with Kennedy's assassination than, him backing MLK

that some of the states turned Republican instead of Democrat but By the way it's starting to switch again, Sergio because you have

Donald Trump as a New Yorker at heart and now he is going a Republican side so it's almost kind of starting to flip again Yeah and he used to be

a Democrat Yeah and you have Elon Musk you have RFK is starting to switch again Sam I know you've been a moderator do you have anything to say about any of this crazy shit

before we wrap this up No, I think you guys did a great job. I appreciate Sergio that you were willing to come on, you know, knowing that you had apparently antagonized Chad to the point that he's talking about it here to everybody else. I mean, I guess the only other thing I would add is that just sort of what I was saying earlier, I think the really important thing is to remember that this lack of communication between people, I think is really by design. And I don't think it's just the government.

I think it's also big tech. I think these algorithms that are set up on social media, they are designed to both keep us in echo chambers, but also provide us with content that is going to enrage us. I do not think that the majority of people are that extreme. And actually, a lot of these things, Sergio, you're talking about all of the sort of social issues that people get really hung up on.

I am more and more starting to think, particularly after we're learning about USAID, then also you have the Smith Months Modernization Act that Obama had basically modernized an old act back in 2014 that now allows the United States government to be, to actually basically propagandize the American people to have funded media. And I really am starting to think that a lot of this stuff is almost like a CIA sciop. That it doesn't feel organic, especially with like me being in the LGBTQ community,

I, plu, two, plu, S, whatever, we're doing, all the things. It seems like in the last 10 years, which makes total sense, now that I know about this act that Obama changed in 2014, this stuff just came out of nowhere. And it has, like, lit social commentary on fire. It has caused such a divide. And it just does not at all feel organic. It just came about too quickly.

And some of the ideas are just so outlandish. Now, there are people, I think, that have adopted those ideas and are genuinely perpetuating those ideas. But I don't think it's nearly as many as we think. We've said this before, too. All of us have that it's a very small group with loud voices. And so we have all just got to wake up and realize that they are doing this to us. This is all by design.

And if we could figure this out and come together, we can make a lot of change in the country. And that's exactly what they don't want, which is exactly. while we're in the position that we're in. That's very true. I agree. I agree with all that. And, you know, it was interesting because I think that, you know, Sam, you're LGBTQ. I guess we haven't talked enough shit about LGBTQ lately.

So maybe. But it's so funny because, like, we have, we have a lot of the LGBTQ community that, that listen to us. And we're appreciative of that. And to be honest, like, it is, and it kind of goes back to that. It's like, whether you're a gay or lesbian, doesn't mean you're trans or go along with the ideology. It's the exact same thing with the ideologies on the Democrat side or the right side. Exactly. Yes.

But I just want to put it out here that I love you guys. So that's what I'm going to say. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think Trump understands that. I mean, I don't know if you saw, but he took the tea out of the LGBT monument outside of Stonewall. You know, I think like if we do do an LGBT thing, like, you know, let's talk about how the transgender movement kind of hijacked it for everyone else, right? I mean, it's like, it's a very small minority of people that are transgendered. I don't know. Some people believe it's real. Some people don't. I'm like, who the fuck cares? I mean,

as long as you're not like hurting someone, why would anyone care? And then you start to see like this push to get them in front of kids and read and, you know, gender neutral bathroom. It's like, okay, like, this is just too much, you know, at this point. Like, this is just getting out of control. And Sergio, are you comfortable telling people kind of your thing? I'll edit it out if you're not, but if you are. No, no, no, of course. And, you know, I've like I said, this is probably the most diverse podcast because you have Sherry a straight woman, Chad, a straight man, Sergio, gay man, and Sam, a gay woman.

We're all on here and somehow seem to all agree on some basic things. I think that's an accomplishment in it of itself, you know. I think that's why Sergio hates me, really. He's flirting. I think this would. yeah you know it's like one of those middle school things oh sergey i'm about to knock you out yeah yeah you're gonna go on the next debate for chat's heart i'm just kidding you all have at that i'm just kidding i'm like where's the park now that's okay because i'm just going i'm going with sam

i'm not i'm not moderating that one for sure no it's so funny because i'm i'm so glad we can have this conversation man because it's like humanity humanity human Humanity wins overall. Like if you, if you can just try to figure out like what humanity means, like, you know, what does it mean to you and how are you willing to fight for humanity? And then how do you justify what humanity is versus a system? I think that I think that's the divide with what we always argue about. It's like, what is the system versus people?

And it goes back to Israel and Palestine and Russia, Ukraine, the United States, and bombing countries overseas. And all of these issues is essentially. all people versus the system. And we may have disagreements. We may have differences. But the reality of this shit is, is that you may agree with abortion. I may not.

You may agree with this. I may not. You may be Christian and I am not. You may be whatever it is. But guys, at the end of the freaking day, we're little ants. And there are people over us that want to dictate to us how we should react to others. And I don't. And that's, I think that's the biggest thing with this podcast.

Like, and oftentimes I think sometimes we, we misconstrue it where I say, you know, hey, you know, it's Democrat or it's Republican. And sometimes I get that wrong. And I got to be better at that because I need to understand like the system is what we're against, not Republicans, not Democrats, not gay or lesbian, not black or white, not whatever. It's the system. And then we got to figure out how to beat the system. And I think in some ways, Sergio, I'll give you credit.

I think in some ways, I think you kind of realize that. And I think that's why he talks shit and you, you press me. And that's why I wanted to bring you on. Yeah. And I think that he makes you understand that more, too, as a human being, that you can do better in that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I think one of your goals or podcasts is to bring more people to your side.

And I mean, I think I'm one of your first converts, right? And so, like, converting me is not, I mean, it's not going to be easy. I'm going to cry. It's like pulling teeth, right? I'm going to cry. I'm going to, like, try to punch you out, whatever. But at the end of the day, I need that tooth out. Like, you know, at the end of the day, you know, you accomplished your goal.

You move someone to the right. Dude, like, like, how much Dr. Phil would we be if we could hook you and Sam up? You're a gay dude and she's a gay girl. And then we don't think we're going to be switching sides that much, Chad. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Maybe that's unachievable.

Sam, he is hot. I think, I mean, I don't entirely disagree. But I think we're too far apart on that. But listen, but listen, Sergio, I mean, she did say you're dreamy. So, you know, when you got a chance? I don't know. Yeah. You know, who knows?

I want to invite you guys over to the border. Like, I wish you guys would come out here someday. Or we're going to. Yeah. Yeah. Like, if you guys ever do, let me know. I'll be there. We can explore together. I know a few people that work for, um, shit, it's, it's blaming me right now. Um, border patrol, sorry. Um, you know, a few of the local sheriffs here,

you can interview them, do, you know, get to know a lot of people. Um, and I, I wanted to also let you know, like, one of the things that really, like, brought me close to you guys and like that kind of started shifting me over is like I work um with two different podcasts that are like for my industry and one of my podcasts that I work with like I'm not on it I don't speak I'm usually just um I'm like the money guy I help them bring in money um but one of the guests they had was the shaman guy and then literally like two weeks later you guys had the shaman guy yeah Jake and we got him at our event and we gave him a booth because he was running for like district at some in district.

Yeah, because he's in Arizona, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So, you know, I, like, I was so scared when we brought him on to our podcast because, like, this was like deep bite in days. I was like, what the fuck are we doing with a Jan 6th writer in our podcast? Like, we're going to all get arrested for giving this guy a voice. Probably. I realize that's wrong. That's great, though. You can feel that fear for exposing a voice.

Like, yeah. That's wrong feeling to have. And then like, as soon as I realized that, I opened up to him and like, you know, he went to our event. He had his little booth. He was shaking hands. Talked to him a little bit. Then he was on your podcast. And I was like, okay, like, this isn't so bad.

Like, okay. Like, I'm. Well, Jake almost, he almost converted me to a shaman. Oh, God. Why? I literally, I literally reached out to Jake two days ago. And this was after our last J-Sixer episode, which was. two days ago. You guys should go listen to it. But Jake's like he responded and said,

hey, you should give everybody else voices. A lot of people are getting pardons. I don't want to be a, you know, Jake's kind of trying to distance himself, which I get. He's been, you know, inundated with the J6 stuff because he was the face of that. So I was like, no, I get that. But Jake is, he's trying to kind of reinvent, not reinvent himself. I think Jake is who he has always been. No, he just doesn't want that over his head. Because he wants to be more political in the political atmosphere as a politician. Yeah. And what he wants to do.

He's very deep. He has a lot of very. He is out there. Yeah, he's very deep. He's got a lot of, he's got a lot of stuff he taught. But I, I truly like, I really love him. He's a great guy. Yeah.

I think he's a good dude. I really do. And I think, you know, after that J6 episode we just had, I've got so many messages of people that were like, I was there. And then like, people even sent us videos of guys coming out of the Capitol where were like, this girl just got shot. I was right there trying to hold her wound. And it was,

it was Ashley Babbitt. Oh, that's so sad. And they didn't know at the time. And so they were sending us videos of this. And I was like, damn. But Jim Bob did give me a feeling of that maybe I was naive and that there was probably more violence than what I thought. Oh, for sure.

You know, everyone says, oh, it's all the January Sixers and they're all bad and they're all awful people. Well, I gave these awful people the benefit of doubt. But I guess when you're in a crowd like that. you know, people are going to get angry and mad and do things that they normally wouldn't do, I guess. Well, it's the same thing. I've said this. It's the same thing in the Black Lives Matter riots.

It's the same thing in Antifa. They have provocateurs. And then there's also people that are just dickheads and assholes that want to cause havoc. And they want to break windows and they want to do all this shit. And so the elites and the politicians, the people that Sergio continually message me about, about like, are you guys are missing the point on Elon or the elites? these are the people that are probably likely in a lot of ways incentivizing these behaviors. Right. Very similar to the border and BLM and Antifa.

These are all coordinated CIA sciops back to what Sam said earlier. And so, guys, I guess what I'm saying is we're at like three hours. And, you know, I think Sergio said, oh, this is a good episode. This is like one of the longest episodes we've had. Well, and I think it was a great one. I think it was really good. I think it was too. And I think, by the way, Sam, you did an amazing job as moderator.

Yes, you did. Yes. Thank you. I'm glad that you guys invited me on. It was fun. It was really good. You did an amazing job. And definitely we're going to have to have Sergio back on many times because I like Sergio.

If Sergio was a bigger. Sergio is my friend. If Sergio was a bigger asshole, I would be interrupting. Like, Sam would have had no chance. If this person was like, yeah, you know what? you know, you see people on on mainstream media. No, I thought you guys handled yourself very professionally. And I thought it was great.

And I think we've built another friendship. And I think, Sergio, I can call you my friend. By the way, you can keep talking shit, Sergio, on text or whatever you want to do. Or bring you back in someone. You know I am. And the reason for that is because I want to create more content for you. So I'm going to post controversial shit on your page and people can reply to it. You know, you need the engagement.

When are we coming on your podcast is what I want to know. Yeah, that's what we should do. I told you guys, whenever you're in Arizona come through, we'll let you guys in. Yeah, for sure. We, we do a big event every month. We have about 1,700 to 1,200 people show up. Really depends on the month. Like, obviously, in January, February, March, we have a lot of people.

And then in July and August, we have like 700 people because it's so hot. But if you guys ever come through, like we'll put you on the podcast. You guys can come to the event And just so everyone knows Like I work in the weed business So like when I'm talking about like I work with government like I literally work with government officials Like they do any weed business you do

Like they are up your ass on that shit Oh I bet We want to build a dispensary somewhere Like they will fucking Nancy Drew Will come out and say I'll protest this And I don't want this and then like you have to go through The zoning board and all this shit right So I mean like

Like, like, yeah. So the reason I'm saying that's just because the two podcasts I do are like weed related. So if you don't like weed, like you're probably not going to listen to them. I hate it. Well, we can tell about, do you want to, is it your podcast? I hated weed like three nights ago. No, I mean, we really do all. We had the guy, the Jan 6 guy on there.

It's just like, I mean, it's first owners. So, I mean, we can talk about any topic. For sure. That'd be cool. Yeah. It would be cool to talk about weed and like, weed and the other dimension. And the benefits of weed.

Yeah, for sure. Because there are benefits. Actually, my cousin, I'll just tell you a quick story before we go. She, I think she lives, she's somewhere in California. I think San Francisco. But she's on Drew Berrymo. How do you say? Yeah, every week.

And she's a gynecologist, but she is more into like holistic medicine now. And I think she's into this weed thing. But she's a Democrat. So maybe we should get her on your. your podcast. Well, they do say gynecology and weed mixes at some points in time. But I think that we should get her on your podcast. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. That would be awesome. I mean, we'll be podcast for everyone, but yeah. Well, Sergio, thank you so much for coming on, man. And Sam, thank you again so much for moderating this. I think you did an amazing job. I think Sergio did a great job. Yeah, all of you

did. And listen, for those that don't know, we are going to create a fancast. We talked about it, I don't know, probably seven, eight episodes ago. And, and, we're going to redo that just a little bit, but Sam and probably Parley are going to be on that. We're trying to figure it out, but where we talk about or they talk about the episodes we've already discussed over the last week. And so we're just trying to get that together.

We're also going to have like a members-based thing, but I want to also say, we do have an X account. Make sure you go follow us on X. Make sure you go follow us on Facebook and Instagram and all the other platforms. Rate us good. The best way you can possibly do good for us is rating us good

because we talk about controversial issues. And a lot of our titling is bringing in people from the other side. Yeah. So they're going to rate us a one or a zero as much as they possibly can. So it is up to you guys. But I also want to ask you guys, too, you know, I've talked to you many times about a true crime podcast. If you think that's something that you would like, please let me know because I am in the works. And I want to do that so bad.

Yeah, we have one. We have one. And we just want to separate it. We want to separate it from this show because if you do true crime on this episode or sorry, this podcast, you have people from varying beliefs. Yeah, exactly. So if you have a true crime podcast. But I'm thinking that my brother and I are going to be the host of that podcast. Anyways, so if you have that and then you have a true crime podcast, I think you separate it.

You've got to separate stuff. And that's what we're trying to do, too, is like the politics versus conspiracy versus true crime. We want to be able to separate it. So that's what we're working on right now. But Sergio, thank you so much for coming on. Sam, thank you very much for coming on. I think you guys did great. And we really appreciate it.

I think it was a fun episode. Thank you, guys. It's been great. Yeah, thank you guys. All right, well, guys, we're going to close it tonight with the chase. We've heard this song before. And we're going to play it out again.

Until next time, we love you. Peace out, guys. Peace out Stop Don't stop