Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Immaculate Constellation Matthew Brown Whistleblower Interview | UFO UAP Podcasts

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

In this episode of Investigate Earth, we dive into one of the most mysterious and tightly guarded programs in the UFO world — Immaculate Constellation. Recently brought into the spotlight by whistleblower Matthew Brown on the Weaponized podcast with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp, this alleged reverse-engineering initiative could be the missing link between decades of UFO secrecy and the truth that's been hidden in plain sight. We compare Brown’s claims to the infamous Bob Lazar story, explore how private contractors may be shielding non-human technology from public oversight, and ask: is this the real disclosure moment?

and welcome to Investigator's podcast. I'm your host shout alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. Now on tonight's episode, what if I told you one of the most important UFO stories of the decade isn't just Roswell, isn't just TikTok UFO videos or even David Grush, is something you probably never heard of until now. Tonight we're cracking open to the case of Immaculate Constellation. A hidden program so secret, even most people inside the intelligence world do not know it exists. It's not theory anymore. It's real. And thanks to whistleblower Matthew Brown, we now have names, details, and direct claims of recovered craft and buried technology. We'll be breaking down Brown's interview with Corbell and Nap on the weaponized podcast, connecting the dots and asking the questions. Is this the smoking gun we have been waiting for?

Guys, welcome to the show. It is May the 5th, 2025. And the name of this song is Sway by Loving Calibur. We have Love and Calibur on the show many, many times. They're one of our favorite bands that we play on here. So if you don't like them, well, sorry, hate to say. but last night we did the podcast where we broke down the Hal Putoff and Joe Rogan interview where specifically we talked about remote viewing and there were some of the things

last night Sherry you actually said that maybe some of this remote view and stuff in some ways plays into this emaculate constellation because as you hear what Matthew Brown whistleblower that works for the State Department talks about and we're talking about UFOs guys UFOs, very large craft, reverse engineering programs, you name it. You might start connecting some dots to our podcast that we talked about last night, where we broke down Hal Putoff and Joe Rogan's interview. And I'm just going to go ahead and warn you, I'm extremely tired. And because we have a beagle that literally wants to keep us awake all freaking night.

And I literally told him, I think like 2.30 in the morning last night or three, whatever time was. Sherry was fast asleep. I was not. I stayed awake, too. Well, either way, I told the beagle in private, I whispered to him. I said, listen, I don't know if you know, but we have had Beagle episodes about these Beagles and cages. And if I have to, I will send you to one of these labs.

You would never do that. We will reverse engineer our podcast. No, you would not. And talking about Beagles and cages, I know you guys have seen the headlines everywhere. Trump made an executive decision to stop animal testing with NIH. Yeah, that's awesome. That is huge, huge news. We had Justin Goodman from WCW, which is white coat waist on our episode a couple months ago.

And he is primarily the one involved in getting this shut down. So I'm just very, very excited today. I'm like over the top happy. And it's happy Cinco de Mayo. Cinco de Mayo Day. It is. It is, guys. But welcome to the show.

We are very excited about this episode. We've talked a lot about UFOs on the show before. and we've had many episodes also on Bob Lazar. And this does kind of compare to Bob Lazar. There's been so many questions around, is Bob Lazar story true? Was what Bob Lazar said that he did at Area S4, aka around Area 51? I'm sure many of you have heard of Area 51. It is the very clandestine secret government location that has allegedly been used to study UFOs or downed UFO craft.

to where I guess we bring in scientists into this area. Everything is very compartmentalized. A lot of the scientists that go to Area S4 or Area 51 usually do not talk to the other scientists that are there or at this location. Many of these guys are literal rocket scientists, including Bob Lazar. And Bob Lazar has been on Joe Rogan's podcast. He actually did a documentary with Jeremy Corbell, which you will hear from Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp tonight.

George Knapp is actually the, journalist that broke the Bob Lazar story to the, or I guess in the beginning. And Bob Razor felt like he had to come out about this because they caught him showing some of his friends one night outside of Area S4, Area 51, when they were going to be testing these reverse engineered craft. And once he got caught, he started to realize that he was about to be funneled out of the program. And he actually kind of worried about his safety.

Now, there's reasons why you would worry about your safety if you are tasked with potentially reverse engineering alien spacecraft or alien technology. For people out there that don't really get into UFOs or any of that stuff and you still think that UFOs are not real, let me just tell you, they're not not real. UFOs are very real. And I think if anything, one thing we do know, and we talked about it on last night's podcast is that, you know, two or three years ago, the UFO community, especially on X, Twitter, Twitter's always had a huge UFO community.

people started really coming together on this topic. They started figuring out stuff. And when they would kind of work together to figure out and look back at some of these stories and, you know, reach out to people that were involved in some of these programs or whistleblowers or whoever, they would often find or come to some conclusion that, hey, this is actually happening. We are reverse engineering UFO technology or down, I don't know, down non-human biologics. And then you had David Grush go in front of Congress alongside of, not just David Grush, which is one of the most high-level intelligence officers that we've ever heard come out as far as a whistleblower in anything related to UFOs.

But we also had David Grush. I mean, sorry, not David Grush, but Commander David Fravor. We also had Ryan Graves. Now, both of these people are United States Navy pilots. Commander David Fraver was one of the guys that actually interacted with a Tick-TAC UFO off the west coast of California. California during a training exercise. And then you had Ryan Graves, which continually almost on an everyday basis operating off the East Coast outside of like, I don't know, 50 miles off the coast of Virginia or also

North Carolina, South Carolina. Every single day, they would come into contact with these or whatever these things were. And it almost made it to where their missions were having to be canceled. They at one point in time moved some of their operations down to Florida. They were actually about to deploy, and there is a very extensive process when fighter pilots deploy in wartime. And so they go through this whole deployment cycle. Sometimes that is a six-month cycle to get these pilots ready to deploy.

You're also getting the pilots that are out wherever these pilots are kind of, I guess, replacing the pilots that are in wartime scenarios. You're also getting those pilots ready to come back home for six months. And so this got so bad at one point in time to where they were almost going to have, to cancel their entire deployment schedule, that six month of getting the pilots ready to go to war and six months of getting the pilots ready to return home because of these UAPs or UFOs that they consistently encountered off the coast of not only Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, but also Florida.

And these things at times where they would be flying in formation, we're talking about F-18 fighter jets. Some of these orbs or craft that they would always encounter would literally split in between the two jets within. inches. Yeah, almost hitting them. Yes. And so they were like, what is this? They continually talk to their command staff. Their command staff never had answers, although, obviously, all the pilots were very concerned about their own safety when you're flying these multi, multi, multi million dollar jets. And yet you're literally coming in within inches or feet of

these things that are flying at breakneck speeds, including speeds that the F18 jets themselves cannot achieve. So all of this is to say this. there's been a divide in the UFO community, especially over the past two or three years. As I was talking a few minutes ago about the fact that we started to really see the UFO community, Congress, these specialized groups that are set up in front of Congress to actually get to the bottom of some of these questions that we have about what are these things we're seeing in the sky. We started kind of seeing everyone come together. And then the past year or two, we then started seeing these people kind of be put into place, I almost think, to where it just completely divided the community.

It broke up everything. And so if you guys have not heard a ton about the UFO topic or phenomenon or whatever a lot lately, is because there, I believe, has been a coordinated effort to stop the discussion and to stop the investigative work from a lot of people to where now you have a division of the community and you have people that either hate one side or they hate the other. And I think is all very well coordinated. And trust me, the intelligence agencies and the people that may be over this and over these programs,

that's what they're best at. Oh, yeah. And that's what they're probably doing on purpose to keep people from talking and collaborating and getting together. If you think about the military and even what Bob Lazar was saying that happened in Area 51, no one was allowed in another area. You're only allowed in the area that they gave you permission to be in. Yeah, absolutely. And you could never converse with anybody else working on even maybe the same thing.

No one was allowed to talk to each other. No one was allowed to see each other. Everything is very divided and quiet and it's done on purpose. Yeah. And I also wanted to mention too, I don't know what made me bring this up or think about this. But do you remember, I think it was, it must have been, it had to been after COVID. Maybe it was before. The Area 51 run, I think it was when they were going to all go to Area 51 and just go and just trample down and run.

Yeah, it was Storm Area 51. Yeah, storm area 51. Yeah, this is this big thing to where someone made a group on Facebook and then there was like hundreds of thousands of people that joined this group. And they were all allegedly going to Storm Area 51. And I think it was like their background image that says they can't stop us all. And they were calling them Karen's and Chad. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, it literally started to become radicalized in some way as these UFO stories, as the stories that started coming out, especially when Joe Rogan was. bringing on people like Bob Lazard, Jeremy Corbell, and Jeremy Corbell's video was coming out in documentaries. And then we started getting this huge influx of people that were really highly interested in this topic. And then even to the point where they were creating groups and hundreds of thousands of people were then, you know, joining these groups. And then thousands of people were also going out to the area of Area 51. And there were literal military and police that had to like make sure these people actually weren't going to storm Area 51. And I think,

think a lot of people ended up showing up and I think there was a group called the kiles but there was all these groups called the chads and all this yeah but I do really think a lot of people showed up and they were really bound and determined to get through to see what is in area 51 and all the other areas well and the thing about it is and this is what I think most people don't understand is that likely and we've talked about this before you know if you are reverse engineering alien craft it's not going to be anywhere that you're going to see visibly with a naked eye from any certain location or by satellite. Well, unless they're testing them at night, like Bob Lazar took his friends to go see.

Yeah. Well, I mean, for sure, testing can happen. And especially if you know where these sites could be testing these craft, then for sure. And this is back in the 80s when Bob Lazar was there when he was doing all this. But you also have to understand now that a lot of these very secretive military bases are mostly underground. A lot of the reverse engineering stuff is happening underground, all of their transportation of whether it be reverse engineered craft or actual craft or even this technology or even physical parts of these craft are all transported underground. I don't know for sure

back in 80s and 70s how much of the tunneling systems we had under the United States. But what I do know for sure is that we have massive underground cities throughout the United States. We have tunnels that connect the east coast to the west coast and we have dums are also known as deep underground military bunkers or bases and there was actually a woman just on tucker cross in which if i remember i will play that clip for you guys because i don't know that we'll do it a full episode on this but there are bases there are military grade type cities underground and so make no mistake if they're reverse engineering alien spacecraft 100 is going to be done underground it's not no longer going to be done in hangars, like what Bob Lazar has said in the past.

But I also think that they have since moved a lot of this equipment or what they are testing and studying to other areas of the country. I don't think there is a lot of stuff at Area 51 anymore. Well, but I don't know. Here's the thing about it, too. They say they don't have anything there. So, for example, if you fly in the Nevada area, for example, say you're a pilot and you fly out in Nevada and say you fly a helicopter or an aircraft in Nevada,

there is huge portions of Nevada that you are not allowed to fly over. I mean, we're talking about massive swaths of Nevada. And I guess that means drones too, right? Well, yeah, for sure. But I'm saying like Nellas Air Force Base, for example, and all their test range and all that stuff, the Tonapot test range. So just imagine Las Vegas, which is at the southern tip of Nevada, right? And then imagine you go, I don't know, 40 miles north of Nevada.

Or sorry, 40 miles north of Las Vegas. pretty much everything from there hundreds of miles north is all military property. It is all test ranges. There are massive tunnel structures or mounds. There is testing of weapons. There has been people that have seen laser-type devices being used at night in far distances from certain areas of Navano, whether it's Reno or even I think people have accounted to see some type of bright, brilliant light off, you know, like looking out. into Nevada from Lake Tahoe region of California. Yeah.

And so Nevada mostly is a huge military testing range. And they often test a lot of various weapons in this also same general area. This is where Area 51, Area S4 used to be. But for most people that don't understand even what Area 51 is, it is a section of property that is designated, top secret, highly classified that you are not allowed to. to go in or out of. You're not allowed to even get near. You have the camo guys that often patrol the area around area 51.

But then also if you look at like flight maps, for example, it's not just area 51 throughout Nevada. It is area 21, area 11, area 12, area 13, area 14. There are all of these various areas that are military property that you are not allowed to either fly over in certain designated ways unless you are a certain altitude or you are not allowed to get anywhere near some of these properties as well. And I'm just telling you, if you even get close to the gate and it says, do not trespass, these camel guys are coming.

Camel guys, not camel guys, but the camel guys are coming after you. And they're going to talk to you. Well, no, they can. I mean, if you definitely go into the property, they can potentially. I mean, it literally says it. Use of deadly force is authorized past this point. And, you know, there's, especially now with all the hoop law, area 51, there's a lot of people that do go outside of the gates, you know, that try to kind of test the boundaries.

of Area 51. And a lot of times you will not see Camo guys if you're just right outside some of the main gates because they know what you're doing. They know you're probably there to video something or to try to do something for YouTube or your Instagram or whatever the case is. So they don't really give a shit. But also understand that when you're outside of these gates, they hear every single thing that you're saying and doing.

I'm sure they're also tapping your phones because whether or not they actually house some of these craft or even specialized weapons. systems in places like Area 51 today. I do at least believe that some of these areas have entrance points to some of the deep underground military bases, which I think is why they still highly protect these properties. It's not necessarily what you're going to see on the surface level. It's what you're going to see underground.

And a lot of these locations are used and utilized for the deep underground military base tunneling systems. And we've talked about the potential UFO base off the coast of California, which we have a video on our substack about. And I've often thought about, like, is that a UFO base or could it even be a military entrance point to some of our places? But if you kind of look at the structure of that anomaly off the coast of California, it is massive.

We're talking about structures that is miles wide in some of these columns that are holding up the front structure of this. And then you have a wide opening that potentially could even be a mile wide opening to where you could get huge things underwater, deep, deep underwater. I think it's like 2,000 feet. Yeah, it was like two miles down. Yeah, or 2,000 feet. And subs can't even go that deep.

Yeah, some of this, you can't even get some of our most advanced subs that deep. But back to the Bob Lazar thing. In 1989, Lazar stepped in the spotlight claiming he worked at the facility called S4, and this was just south of Area 51. And so he was supposed to be reverse engineering, a propulsion system from recovered alien craft. And at the time, most of the world laughed him off. And then over the years, many of his details he talked about from the biometric scanners to the existence of Element 115 have been validated now.

And so now you fast forward to today, you have Matthew Brown, which is another whistleblower and another highly compartmentalized program and another claim of his access to technology that may not be of this earth. And so this all kind of feels familiar and kind of cross-referenced to Bob Lazar and Matthew Brown and David Grush, but this time the structure is deeper. The access, more controlled, and the secrecy is just more calculated. You know, immaculate constellation isn't just a location or a lab or something like that. It's an entire operation that is being hidden in plain sight.

And many of the intelligence officers themselves do not know what the hell this even is. I do want to get into the interview on the weaponized podcast with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp. and this is UFO whistleblower, Matthew Brown. And we will hear testimony today concerning recent revelations about a purportedly secret UAP program whose existence and findings may have been improperly withheld from Congress. This is going to be the original document about Immaculate Constellation.

Those of us who have been following this very closely have been hearing whispers of the words, Immaculate Constellation for a few months now. The Immaculate Constellation. constellation. It's a UAP reconnaissance program. I can affirm this 100%. What is in here is wild. I mean, they're saying, I'm paraphrasing, but reports of F-22 is getting like boxed in by flying or they couldn't shake. There were satellite images or satellite image of a football field-sized flying saucer hiding in clouds. I have personally walked people into members' offices for private

meetings so they could see eye to eye and they could meet. You are the author of what the world knows. as the Immaculate Constellation Report. It has been allowed to corrupt and infest every aspect of our society to serve the interests and whims of a very elite, select few. The following is an interview with the author of the Immaculate Constellation Report that was submitted into Congressional Record. Is it ironic? You have to put your face out with us to protect yourself at this point.

That's what we're doing, right? Yeah. That's what we're doing. This is absolutely what I did not want to do. You've worked in secret programs. You've got clearances. You've made oaths that you would keep secrets. Let's talk about secrecy in the UAP topic.

Shouldn't it be secret to some degree? I mean, there's a race for the technology to try to understand it. We have adversary nations who'd love to get it ahead of us. Why not keep this stuff secret? Well, if it was just technology that we are worried about protecting and maintaining a military advantage. You know, there's strong arguments to be made and have successfully been made for decades in this country that the American leadership and American people seem to be finding acceptable to be left in the dark about where science, technology, and their military is taking them. This isn't just technology.

This isn't something somebody came up with in a lab and it's sensitive because once the cats have the bag, anybody can do it. fundamentally this comes from and is secondary to what we've been told is the biggest question, which is, is humanity alone? The answer is no. And the secrecy that has been defended is at the cost of, in my mind, human dignity, freedom, and progress. And it is no longer permissible or acceptable in my mind to continue this course, to deprive another generation of not just Americans, but humanity, but their birthright to know who they are, where they came from, and what's with us? Can you give us a general description of the size of the secrecy apparatus?

You know, we're going to drill down to this, of course, about in-com, M-Con, and one particular facet of the secrecy that you came across and other parts of it. but how big of a secrecy apparatus is it? How many stove pipes are there? How many people are involved in different ways of keeping this secret, confusing the public, lying to Congress, lying to the world? I want to pause here for just a second because there's something very important that he talks about here. Now, Matthew Brown, and he's being asked, should we keep this secret?

And this is what George Knapp is asking Matthew Brown. Shouldn't some of this stuff be kept secret? We're talking about whether it is reverse engineered technology, are down spacecraft. Obviously, there is a race for world governments to harness this potential new and advanced technology, which I think we've been seen for a very long time. But I wanted to mention that we are going to have Ashton Forbes on tomorrow night. And where Ashton is going to break down his consensus on not only last night's episode

with Hal Putoff and Joe Rogan and our breakdown of that, but also this episode that we're talking about tonight. And for those that do not know who Ashton Forbes is, he is the main investigator. one of the biggest names in the MH370 flight that disappeared over or I guess the Indian Ocean. And he believes that the orbs that potentially took the airplane are our technology. They are our orbs. And he believes most of the stuff we are seen in the sky, if not all, is our technology and not UFOs. Right.

And it was interesting because we did bring up Ashton last night when we were talking about this remote viewing. And they were talking about that they found. a Russian aircraft that had crashed through remote viewing. Yeah. And my question, or it might have been Chad's question. I'm not sure. But if you can use remote viewing to find a crashed aircraft, why can't they find this missing airline? Yeah, exactly.

And by the way, if you guys happen to hear this episode before tomorrow night, please send us a message, whether it's on our X account or our email, which is Investigator Earth Podcast at Protonmel.com or Facebook or Instagram or whatever, send us a message. Any questions you want us to ask Ashton about either last night's episode or this one, particularly, please send us a message on that. Let's continue this. Simply put, it's a parallel reality. The secrecy apparatus is all-pervasive. It is not just in the intelligence community governing their world. It's not just in the military protecting their operations. It's not protecting her diplomats and leaders as they conduct their work.

sometimes in very dangerous places. It has been allowed to corrupt and infest every aspect of our society to serve the interests and whims of a very elite, select few. And it's been used to intimidate, threaten, destroy the lives of people like yourselves who have been doing their job, keeping their oaths, trying to protect their country, being true to humanity, and have paid praises for it. Absolutely. This has been a difficult process for you, for me and you, you know, kind of going through this.

I've seen what you've gone through personally with this. You're taking a personal hit, like a painful risk, just talking to us, just doing this finally after all this time. I think I understand why. You're explaining something philosophical, what you believe about the secrecy, just personally. Like, what is this step for you to do this? Like, why? I need to understand why. Why are you telling this to everybody now?

Now. There's no short answer. It's something, you know, I have many, not even competing, but parallel motivations, but why now look out at the world, look inside our country. we are not headed to a good future. You're concerned. I am. Explain the concern.

Ultimately, my biggest fear is what humanity will do to itself out of fear and greed and what we have done. And we have built a prison around ourselves. It's invisible. But it's not complete. And there is still time to maybe alter our trajectory, have a different future. May not be the best one that we had hoped for, but it's going to be damnside better than what they have planned for us. You know there's no. And I want to pause here for a second because what this guy's saying?

A whistleblower in the intelligence community. And not just whistleblowing on Immaculate Constellation. which is literally specifically about UFOs. Yeah, it's a 12-page report exactly is what it is. Yes. But not only just UFOs, this guy is talking about something far more reaching than I think we even understand here. I started reading the book today, Sherry, and I don't know if you realize when he started saying this. Behold a Pell Horse by William Cooper.

And it is one of the most telling books of its time. And there's actually been chapters that have been redacted from the book. the book was written or and released, I guess, in 1990. William Cooper died in 2002. He was shot by law enforcement for some reason, shape, or form. We can get into that in a later episode. A lot of people thought that he would actually die a lot sooner than he died because a lot of the stuff that he wrote in this book was almost like somewhat prophecy.

He was predicting stuff. And he said, if we don't do something to stop the trajectory of mankind and not just mankind, but the power structure that kind of controls everything, we are headed to a very, very dark and sinister future. And then you have a whistleblower here, Matthew Brown, where he's coming on this podcast to talk about UFOs and Immaculate Constellation. But what he specifically just said had zero to do with UFOs and everything to do with what's coming.

And it had everything to do with like you're saying, the elites, the people that are behind the scenes that are actually in power. If you think President Trump is in power right now, you have something else coming because he's really not in power. And he has no idea what's really going on in the background. And neither do any of the other presidents that have ever been president of the United States or probably presidents of other countries. Because there is a system, a dark secret system that is behind all this. And these are the elites that take charge and want to rule the world. Yeah.

The presidents that do get close, either get a set. fascinated or nearly assassinated or something comes up to where they are washed out of the system. And although, you know, if you think about Trump, for example, his first term, 2016, he brought a lot of people in around his, around his administration that were a lot of dark, sinister, deep state puppets. And not only puppets, but like conspirators that made sure that Trump stayed in his lane. And even when Trump kind of pushed back on some of this stuff, you know, I think you. saw this is when a lot of Trump's troubles started. Now, whether you think that Trump's good or bad doesn't matter, but then you had then the new administration command, Kamala and Biden, and, you know, you started seeing this massive shift the other way. I mean, we're talking

about a huge shift in the other direction to where everybody was like, what in the hell has happened? I mean, everything just seems completely off. And then somehow, and I'm very surprised that Trump actually was reelected, I'm just surprised for various reasons. You can go listen to our podcast on that. But now that Trump is reelected, and then you have now a Trump that understands what happened potentially in his first term. So he was very coordinated as far as how do we need to assemble our cabinet to where as people that are really going to be at my best interest.

But now you're starting to see even the cabinet members he's picking are not necessarily able to do what they really want to do. I mean, think about Cash Patel, FBI director, where Cash Patel before he came into the Trump administration. he was like on all these podcasts. I mean, we're talking about tons of podcasts where he says if I was ever in the FBI or me over the FBI or whatever on day one, you would know everything about Epstein. On day two, you would know everything about this.

And come to find out, the Epstein files are not going to come out. I think that the system, the deep state are controlling those files if they even still exist anymore in this country. And not only that, not only the Epstein files, but JFK, we learned nothing more about. We did have an episode about that. you guys should go back and listen to our last JFK episode. The Martin Luther King episode, we've also had an episode on that where there was a court case that lasted, I think, what was it, four weeks or something? Yeah.

Eight weeks, whatever it was. And the court determined that the U.S. government was responsible for his death. For his death, his assassination. And it's so crazy because we all went to school thinking something completely different that he was assassinated by a lone gunman. Yeah, of course. I mean, we thought that about JFK. Yeah. We thought that about basically everybody.

but it's all about power and control. And I just wanted to point out in that piece right there, Matthew Brown, is about to talk about UFOs in this Immaculate Constellation and the report that he wrote based on what he found being an intelligence officer and being a part of the system. But what he just warned you about is something very, very real that many people have also warned us about in the past. And I just want to ask you, what do you think he means about humanity will do ourselves in and we're in an invisible prison? What do you think that means? We are in an invisible prison because we believe that we're free, although the deep state

and the elites really do control every single aspect of not only our lives, but the information that we actually, you know, are able to ingest. There's a lot of people even that believe X, which is supposedly one of the most free speech platforms on the planet. That's what Elon bought it for for 40-something billion dollars and lost money in the beginning. Lost money in the beginning. But there's still stuff that people get banned for on X all of that. time. There is still a system of control. There is still a system of censorship on X. And in some

ways, and I've said this on X before, X is our primary platform. And by the way, guys, go follow us on X, Investigator, podcast. But it is our primary platform. We post the most on. But I've said this, I've said this. We've actually been censored or stricken down or banned or suspended on X since Elon has taken over more than we've ever been suspended on Facebook. crazy. And I want you to think about this, too, the committee that's over the Immaculate Constellation. I'm talking about like Nancy Mace, Rubio, even Matt Gates. I don't even think they.

Yeah, the UAP task force. Yeah, I really don't even think they actually know all this information. They don't. That is hidden. No. And I think Rubio probably knows more than most just from Hal Poutov's conversations with Joe Rogan that night. Well, and it's not even that, too.

It's like the Immaciccacconstallation thing. they talked about it in that last congressional hearing, and it was Schellenberger, the journalist, that came and presented the Immaculate Constellation Papers in front of the committee, where Nancy Mace specifically talked about it and said, we need to find out more about this. But the problem is, is like even when the committee recently were set to re-interview David Grush, he canceled it last minute. And ever since he went in front of Congress, you know, this was a time where I think David Grush has either been threatened.

There's something that's happened because David Grush in those congressional hearings when he was kind of spilling the beans on, hey, I was connected to a lot of these programs where we were reverse engineering, these alien spacecraft. I know he also said, I know for sure we have non-human biologics that we have recovered talking about these are not humans, whatever these things are, they are non-human. And he says, I know this for sure because I was over a lot of these programs that, I had, you know, direct knowledge of. And there was many times in that first congressional hearing with David Grush and Commander

Fraver and Ryan Graves where David Grush said, I can get you all of these names, information, companies, organizations, whoever is kind of involved in this, but it's going to have to be in a skiff, which is like a classified behind closed doors, behind closed doors briefing. And none of those hearings ever happened because someone along the lines came forward and stopped that shit. And they're stopping this as well. And let's, you know, this Matthew Brown guy, I think he's a real deal.

Just like I do believe David Grush is a real deal. I don't think this is some type of sciop. I don't think this is the government pushing out whistleblowers to try to divert attention or whatever away from our advanced technology. Because if you really think about world dominance in power, and even if, say, for example, you think about the moon landing. Well, we ourselves, personally, us, do not believe the moon landing happened because it was during the, kind of the Cold War era. It was the space race. We believe the moon landing was faked.

We believe it was faked because we wanted to show dominus and our rocket capabilities. And it was a race against Russia. It was in particular. And so we always want to bolster our power, not subdue our power. So why would we be trying to stop whistleblowers about UFO technology, whatever? It just none of that stuff makes sense. And how put off last night on his interview. he brings up the Soviet Union or Russia a lot.

And it seems like we're always in a space war with Russia. Yeah, we are consistently. But China also, I mean, China is very advanced in their space technology now. Obviously, the United States space technology is essentially, you know, SpaceX. I mean, that is our main technology. That is our main rocket systems. That is Elon Musk. That also just so happens to be involved with Trump's team and it also just happened to have

bought X, which is allegedly the free speech platform. And I can't even tell you or to begin to describe how many people have reached out to us and said, you guys trust Elon Musk. You guys are crazy. And that's a whole other topic that we may get into some other time. But let's listen back to some of this interview. Going back, after you tell us this on camera, we have this conversation. This is it.

This is the line in the sand. You're about to cross over here. Absolutely. I am on a personal level, giving up the future that I made for myself. and was going to try to make for a family. I'm proud of what I accomplished in my time in government and is painful to leave the good people there and to know that there really isn't room for people to act

according to their conscience and our constitutional ideals on the inside. Is it your belief based on materials, things that you've been exposed to? that you've seen, people you've talked to and communicated with over a period of a couple of years, is you believe that the technology, the race for the technology, the understanding of the big secret is entirely in the hands of people outside the government and not for the benefit of the public or to protect American national security. It's in some other realm in some other hands. I think it's a mix. I think our military, you know, has a long historic involvement in this. so does our intelligence community and our scientific academic community.

We have as a country allowed ourselves to be penetrated, co-opted, and corrupted by an internationalist force that serves their interests and views nations, peoples, as tools and means to an end. Like a business cabal, international corporations that have no loyalty to any nation, let alone this one. That's a large part of it. I think we have to go above that too to start to explain the degree of the level of deception and the level of commitment they've had to maintaining that deception. It's above just monetary gain and power. They're afraid. George and I've talked about whistle floors that come to us and we protect them.

We don't often report on when people come to us. I got to pause for a second again because, you know, something that I don't think they just understood again from what he's saying. George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell. He said it is corrupted by an internationalist force. Tools and means to an end. Yes. So we're talking about here New World Order.

We're talking about a globalist government. We're talking about this one world government set up and system that is designed to take out and destroy sovereign nations. It is designed to complete. completely put off balance nations that have a culture, that have a lineage, that have a pride, that have a patriotism. Because the only way you can eventually get into a one world government, a new world order, a globalist elite cabal that controls the entire world is you have to kill the countries from within. I think that in many ways, that's why we have seen mass immigration in the United States.

I think that's why we saw this. Yeah, and just not, yeah, not just in the United States, but we've had wide open borders. we see this happening across Europe. We see this happening in places except for, say, for example, Russia or China or some of these big nations, because it's extremely hard. You're not just going to go to Russia or go to China. And even Hungary. Hungary was one of the countries. Yes.

I love Hungary. Yeah. Hungary was one of the countries that was led by a president that said, I don't want to be a part of the European Union. I don't want to be a part of NATO even really because I don't want to open my board. orders up to everyone in anyone. They literally in Hungary have a fence around their entire country and they have soldiers every like six feet with weapons. You're not coming in their country because they care about their culture. They care about their values and their beliefs and their whatever it is.

And so they want to maintain those values and those beliefs. And I think that what you're seeing around the world right now and what Matthew Brown is saying here that I think if you're just. If you're just here specifically just for the talk about UFOs or the reverse engineer technology, you have to understand he's saying a lot more here than just the UFO stuff. Absolutely. Yeah, it goes into one world government. And who do you think about when you think about that? I mean, what comes to your mind, Chad?

I don't know. I'm not even going to say it. Nope. I'm not. I'm just going to I'm going to not say anything about that. But let's listen to some more of Matthew Brown here. We're doing this now. You know, what are the repercussions?

People talk about whistleers being afraid. And there's one set of being afraid, which is when you're squeezed by outside entities, you know, that are fucking with you, which has happened to you. We'll talk about that. But what are the legal implications of what you're about to talk to us today? Tell me the gravity right now. What are you facing? I want our audience to understand what it means for you to talk to us right now. What could happen to you?

I hope is that the stakes are. are not paid out, but they are life imprisonment and the possibility of execution. And you've tried all the right ways. I've helped you on some of it. We've tried. You have tried all the right ways to do this, but you have something much bigger that is pushing on you, that you have to take this next step forward. And so now, I just want people to understand where you're coming from. We say we protect whistleblowers. When people come to us, Not everybody goes on camera, but also just you work currently in departmentist state, but maybe he should tell us his history. Yeah, let's do chronological. So you got a degree in what?

So I got a degree in international affairs. Came out to D.C. started working in a small think tank. From there, I applied to and was accepted to a intelligence agency. ended up taking a job at the Pentagon, basically waiting for the right opportunity for that world to pop up. Which when it did, I was having too much fun. So I said no. You're in the Pentagon.

Weapons of mass destruction is a general umbrella under which you're working. You got a security clearance at that point? Yeah, I had been cleared by DIA for a top Cesar. secret SCI clearance. You get to see, I guess, firsthand, all this different information that comes in from all over these places, different platforms, right? You're exposed to that. And you get an idea of just how big that apparatus is.

Yes. Yes, absolutely. UFOs and aliens aside, it's a different world without anything exotic in it when you are exposed to that information and learning over time, not just from the intelligence, but the experiences of the people around you because not everything that's true and has happened in the world is written down on paper. I mean, you've given a lot of roles and responsibilities that gives you access to very sensitive information.

When you said SCI, that's secret compartmentalized information is the acronym. Sensitive, compartmentalized information. Yeah, it's probably right. Yeah. So you know that. And we always want to talk about, you know, other countries that they execute people for stuff, right? but even back in thousands of years ago timeframes where you had these leaders these gods these

whoever it was that believed or at least made the people believe they were gods right if you in any way shape or form went against what their rule or what their order was you were executed you were immediately executed because likely it would disrupt the control structure of their authority. If you, even in, say, for example, law enforcement in some ways or whatever it is, you start kind of bucking the head of the snake. You're going to get bitten. That's what's going to happen. You start screwing with that. You're going to eventually get bitten. And so I think most people just kind of forget that like life in prison or execution is like stuff that you might hear about back thousands of years ago in ancient Rome or maybe even some of your old biblical

text or maybe Greek mythology. But this stuff still happens. And especially if you were going to come out with the truth because the truth is the most detrimental thing to the control and power structure of people that want you to forget that there is a God rather than they are the gods. Absolutely. And I think that's still a system in place today. Oh, and it still happens.

You think about Edward Snowden, for example. He's in Russia, living in Russia because he's not allowed to live in the United States any longer because he was a whistleblower. And they would have executed him if he was in America. Yeah. And it was all because he wanted to make the American public aware that the government is spying on you on a daily basis in every way, shape, or form. And it is unconstitutional. It is illegal. And the reason why Edward Snowden knew this was because he was one of the ones that built the system that allowed our,

intelligence agencies to spy on you on a regular basis. And so when we talk about like your your fire stick remote or your Amazon Alexa or your microphone on your phone or anything that has a microphone, there's a way that they can listen to you. I'm just saying, you know, you are a sane human being. You're given a lot of these responsibilities. You know, I just think it's important for people to understand. And so you had access to very critical information through the United States government.

They're separate from the UFOs and the alien topic that we're going to talk about. For the world. For the world. The world. The world. And that weighs heavy on you, I'm sure. Like, you're really looking to defend the United States of America where you live and you are looking at information that is just highly sensitive. I think it's important for people to know good people like you doing great jobs in there.

You had access and responsibilities. People trust you. Yes. That's you can't get there. without that. It is, yeah, it's a very burdensome rule. I feel deeply for the people who have been there for many years. There's a lot of hidden suffering that comes from it, but it is, you know, I thought it was a noble and good mission, but I still do. And risks, I imagine there's all kinds of information that comes across your desk and that desk of other people you're working with at that

point about weapons of mass destruction, the movement of nuclear weapons or suddenly material that disappears and where did he go, black market, biological weapons research, things that are going on around the world that we need to keep an eye on, right? Yeah. And things that never make the news. You're absolutely right. Yeah. There is, like I said, there is a whole many, there's many worlds.

There's many shells to our reality that the public, including. including our professional media class, our professional academic class, our political class has absolutely no idea exists. And if they do have an idea, they have a very distorted one, sometimes intentionally so. I mean, you're not like some secret agent. You're not like some CIA secret agents. So like so people understand when you're working at the Pentagon is where we're out in the thing. I mean, we have a lot of great people that are bright-minded working on these problems for the United States keeping the United States safe, looking at geopolitical aspects of, nuclear weaponry, that kind of thing.

But just to be clear, I mean, you're not that some secret agent with more access than anybody else or anything like that. Yeah. And so here he's talking about there are so many shells to our reality we just don't get. Yeah. And when they bring up weapons of mass destruction and then they bring biological weapons, what does that make you think of? Oh, COVID, number one.

Definitely. Gator function, anything like that that's going on. That is weapons of. mass destruction if you believe it or not. COVID is a weapon. Yeah, and also, you know, advanced propulsion, orbs, any of the stuff, maybe they reverse engineered. Lasers.

You know, and some of these things can be used for good things as well. Like, there's a lot of things that I think we have a reverse engineered that we use in medical today. We do. Like all the laser technology, the, you know, operating without the surgeon actually doing the operations. I think a lot of this. This comes from reverse engineering.

I think there is a lot of good things that come out, but the bad outweighs the good. For sure. I mean, and they're always going to preface whatever they're going to use for bad to convince you that it's for good. And it goes back to the White House press conference where Trump brought in, you know, the Sam Altman of Open AI. And he brought in, you know, Larry Ellison with Oracle, where Oracle has always been a CIA tool. and it is it is housed in much of our technology today across the across the board. Same thing with AI. And yet Trump is like, yeah, we're going to get $500 billion investment for this AI structure.

But what he doesn't understand is that although they may not use it for bad now, they're going to at least have you set it up to where you take the credit. Very similar, by the way, to the vaccine operation warps speed. They wanted Trump to be like, hey, Trump, you can be the guy that saves everybody's life. You're going to make that million dollar deal. Yeah. And then they pressure you and to the point of like, well, Trump, if you don't do this, number one, you're not going to get the credit for like maybe the most amazing vaccine ever to come out to save millions of lives. But also, they're going to look very bad on you that you might have cost millions of lives by not doing this.

This is how these people do this shit. They're very sinister. They are the people that control the world and they utilize politicians and global leaders for this exact reason. and going back to what Matthew Brown says, there are many shells to our reality. We don't understand those shells. Most of the public do not understand what reality really even is anymore. We understand what we're told to understand and allowed to understand.

But we don't truly get or grasp what's really going on behind the scenes. No, I never wanted to be a field officer. I danced with the idea in my dreams maybe and read the books. but I knew that wasn't for me, especially the task and the cost of befriending and manipulating and ultimately using people. I don't think I would have been very good at that. Like human intelligence and false friendship. Exactly.

Does that stuff come across your desk? Human intelligence, signals intelligence regarding weapons of mass. All sources. All sources, intelligent. All sources of intelligence. And if there are questions, and go ask them and usually get the answers. And the kinds of things that you see that come across your desk.

Does it give you pause? How am I going to sleep that I know in that this XYZ is going on somewhere? At times when they think, oh, crap, how did this happen? Everyone has their different standard of what's going to shake them like that. And I've definitely had a few of those. I won't share them. But I mean, just with security, bring national security kind of stuff. Right.

Stuff unrelated to exotic things. that are very... You're just world out there. Okay, you're there for a while. You do that for how many years? Oh, see, I was in there a little over four years, but I was in the penning on a little over five, because I moved out of there briefly into the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence and a smaller office in there.

We've heard of that office. We have heard of that office. Was it a different sort of work or the same thing just for a different ball? Same field, different work, different boss, different communities. So you're working for a contractor, but you're working at the Pentagon on Pentagon business, and that's sort of a model that is used for all kinds of programs, right? Yeah. That's the industry in D.C.

Is that to have a buffer of some sort? Why is it, why is that mess? Well, you have government management, and they're supposed to be the ones that, you know, they sign the checks, make the final decisions, but yet most of the staff is contractors, military people on detail, people on food. fellowships from, you know, either think tanks or universities. So you get to be familiar with snow pipes and how, you know, you could be working on this and the guy may be in the office next to you or the desk next to you is working on something else and you don't know what they're working on. Yeah, I mean, it can be that way.

My experience was more that we had a team. It was all more or less on the same information level. But then there'd be other teams that, yeah, they have their own. So it's not quite as isolated. I've heard from others. It can be just, you know, it's you and no one else around you knows what you're doing. You've got a company. It's a contractor that's working there in the Pentagon.

How much oversight is there from the actual Pentagon, the military, of a contractors work? Well, I mean, the day-to-day is overseen by the government. So in that sense, it's there. And is that generally true for all the contractor programs that we'll be getting into later? That somebody in the military at our I see is looking at what the contractor does. No, I couldn't say, right? Yeah, I could not say. We got the one degree.

We'll pause here. I just want to mention again, I've told you guys this in a past podcast, when you're finding the main idea of what they're talking about, you look for words that they say over and over. Chad, did you notice the words they said over and over? A contractor. Yes, contractors, not military, not government, but independent contracts. Yeah. This is who he worked for.

Yeah. Independent contractors. And he had one of the highest intelligence, you know, secret clearances that you can have. And we've actually talked to Ashton Forbes about this, right? I mean, if you think about our advanced technology, the reverse engineering programs, that's not our government doing these things. You can think of this in a way of if you think about how advanced that the United States may be in our nuclear program. What you may not realize is that potentially right now, the biggest name that you may not understand or realize in our weapons capabilities in the United States government is not a United States government employee, technically, kind of. He's with Doge.

Kind of not really with Doge anymore. We're talking about Elon Musk. Elon Musk is one of the most, SpaceX has one of the most advanced rocket system programs in the world. So if you think NASA or DARPA or some other military unit is creating weapon systems, whether it be hypersonic missiles, whether it be delivery systems for our nuclear warheads, and you think these are government-operated people that are doing this shit, it's not. It's likely people like Elon Musk, SpaceX, Skunkworks, Boeing, Raytheon, all of these big companies. And you wonder why all of these independent contractors have. that these abilities to do this, it's because the government can't act in a role as a government and do the things that contractors can do.

Yeah, and especially in certain situations. But then also, that's the best way to keep it secretive. The Freedom of Information Act kind of is out of the window on that. But then also, as something I've also talked to Ashton about, which we're going to talk to Ashton more about tomorrow, which will bring this up. But, you know, when you have contracted companies, there's. are doing the work, the dirty work. We're talking about the work that could end civilization as we know it.

Exactly. Where these advanced weapons systems could destroy everything we possibly know of. And we're not just talking about nuclear. We're talking about far more advanced systems. We're talking about maybe orbs that Ashton Forbes talk about with MH370. When you have government contracted companies that control this technology. And although Matthew Brown is saying here that, you know, there is oversight in some of these things from, you know, the military or government, but definitely not everything.

I know for sure that you're talking about the Pentagon has oversight. Well, that has nothing to do with the people. The people elect politicians to have oversight over these programs. That's what the whole purpose of this is. But there is no oversight. So the UA, well, that's what I'm saying. Congress, the Senate, the UAP task force, all of these special committees that are set up, they are getting no information.

They're not getting skiffs. They don't actually know what the hell these. contracting companies are doing in private. They don't know what they're working on that could literally not only end the rest of the world, but also the United States, if there is some dark, sinister person and control of some of these companies that have all of the power. I mean, we're talking about God-like almost power to where they could utilize these advanced weapons systems against our own country.

Yes. And then also keeping in mind, think about where all and a lot of the funding comes from of these companies. It's not United States funding necessarily. It's also globalist funding. It's the people that go to the World Economic Forum. It's the George Soros. It is the Bilderberg groups.

It is all these massive elite people that want to control the world. And there also have some stake in these companies that control the deadliest weapons that the world has ever known. Exactly. And Trump, it came out of his own mouth. He said, if you think nuclear weapons are the worst, you have something else coming to you because that is not even close. close to what we have.

Yeah. And Trump keeps saying, and that's it, you know, he says what we have. Yeah. It's because we're contracting with them right now. But you don't understand maybe that when we stop contracting with them or whatever the case is, some. Those are the elites we're talking about. Yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely. They're the ones that control the world. They control the Godlike powers, which is advanced technology. So we did want to point that out. Let's listen. And then you went on to try to get a master's. Yeah, I went to George Washington University, Masters of Security Policy Study, got to the point where I had a thesis to submit. And then I started working at the Pentagon, took a break, and kind of got caught up in the churn, as the term is.

Right. I'm curious about just what it's like to work at the Pentagon. I mean, to think you're driving to work, there it is, the heart and soul of the national security of our country. you're doing important work, weapons of mass destruction in the biggest office building in the world. I would think it would be a lot of satisfaction in that. But I wonder what day to day is like. Are you under surveillance? Do you have to do polygraphs?

Can you tell your wife what you're doing? Do you socialize with colleagues or do you have to worry about what you say to whom and where? Yeah. So, I mean, started with the first part. I think for me at least, yeah, it was what I, I, I, I, finally made it, right? I'm working out the Pentagon. It's cheesy, but I felt pride pretty much every single day that I rolled in there. That's not cheesy. I thought it was, I was very fortunate to join an office that cared a lot about their people, not just their performance at work, but their

goals, their desires, and how they were getting on with life in general. Fewer places are like that. But I look back on that time with a lot of happiness. How do things begin to sour? Is it because of this topic that we're able to discuss? Yes. Let's take it from there. When does that start?

What's your first exposure? I mean, were you like a UFO guy? Like before, I mean, like, there's something that happened. And there's always an instigator, right? But it's like, you know, were you like a UFO guy all your years back? Or? To some degree, I've always been interested in aliens and UFOs, secret histories, the things that are hidden from us. It's been a lifelong kind of passion.

It's not always aliens. While I was always interested in these things, they were never, they were only a realm of possible. And when I looked at UFOs in a serious way, as I was more in my, like, college years, and I got just not exposure, but, You start learning about the sort of ecosystem of secrecy in the military industrial complex, what saps are, what caps are. And you start to realize, like, oh, yeah, there's a good chance a lot of what these UFO things are, some really cool stuff that we have, whether it's in the air, under the water, or right in part of you. You're not getting a job at the Pentagon because you want to get access to the UFO scene.

No, no. When I joined, I thought, you know, I pretty much locked down that. that, you know, there might be life out there, but most, I think, most of what we're seeing in the skies at that time, I thought was either ours or ally or adversary. You don't go over the deep end. You're not going to move on conferences. No. You're not wearing a beanie and alien stuff on your head. No. No. In fact, you know, I would be looked at like I had a third eye just by suggesting there were stealth satellites. I mean, in fact, like you've never been to like a UFO conference or anything like that,

have you? No. Right. That's not your style. No. You were very animal. politically minded person, something I've learned. I bet you're fucking really good at your job because just the way our communications, the way you deep dive into research, that's a talent to be able to pull a lot, big source information, all source information, and kind of come to conclusions that is one of your skill sets. Yeah, absolutely. Did you ever work nine to five?

Because you're kind of a workaholic, right? And you go over the top. Yeah, yeah. You know, I really liked the petting on. I learned an immense amount there, and I would stay there until the wee hours of the morning learning. Which is also how you found out information about the topic where to discuss. I delved too deeply. And you came across this sort of accident?

100% accidentally. Well, sorry. The Immaculate Constellation piece of this 100% accidentally. So he says here, and I give Jeremy and George Nassad. credit here where he wants to kind of break down like yeah you've been interested in UFOs and stuff like that before but like you weren't like a crazy UFO freak to where you were going to these mufon UFO conferences or any of this stuff he says no but he said I was always interested in things that were being hidden from us right and some of the stuff that he believes that we see whether

and he specifically said water or air yes I wrote that down too is potentially ours right a lot of it he said is ours yeah he said a lot of of it. But he also mentioned stealth satellites. Yeah. Have we even spoke about that before? Well, no. I mean. Because is there a stealth satellite that we know about? And when I think about satellites, I think about Elon Musk. Yeah. Well, Starlink and all that stuff. I mean, make no mistake. I don't believe that everything Elon Musk is sent into space is Starlink to provide everybody around the world with Internet. I don't believe that. I mean, the amount of star links that are sent up on a regular basis is astronomical.

I mean, we're talking about tons and tons of Starlink satellites. Our orbit is so congested with satellites from Elon Musk now that it's insane. And like, what are those satellites? We don't know. But one of the things that he talked about, the stealth satellite thing, I'm sure that there are stealth satellites. You have to figure out a way to also make satellite stealth in some way, shape, or form. Because if you do get in some type of war with Russia or China or whoever, they'll shoot them down.

One of the first things they want to do is try to destroy as many satellites as they can. And I'll just tell you guys a quick story. We were walking, of course, the Beagle one night. And we were walking down the street. And I saw like a line of seven. It looked like orbs to me. I was like, Chad, look in the sky. Look at the orbs.

He's like, Sherry, those are satellites. Yeah, they're Starlink. That was Starlink. Yeah. Every time you see that big line, that's usually Starlink had just launched or was, you know, getting ready to get in orbit. it. And so that's kind of a dead giveaway. And then so now it's just hard to even look in the sky at night and not see a satellite. I mean, there are satellites everywhere on a regular basis. And Elon Musk is in control of many of these satellites. And so, you know, like I said,

there's no way that every satellite that Elon sends up is Starlink. We don't even know 100% what all these satellites are. He might be sending up some Starlink, but you have to understand that Elon has some of the most top secret classified stuff at, you know, Star Base and some of the these other places. And he holds some of the top secret security clearances of anybody on the planet. Yeah. As far as the United States government goes. Do you trust him with that?

I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I find it interesting to the point where he went so hardcore in this direction of like, hey, we got to save humanity. And the only way we can do that is by free speech. Although, like I said, X is not completely a free speech platform. So, you know, and then even going back to the gaming thing, you know, he does these game streams on X.

to where he plays Diablo four and then whatever the, I think is Path of X hour, whatever the other game is. And so allegedly he was a top 10 player in the world. Yeah. And we're like, how in the heck is he running all these companies and then gaming at night too and being the top of it?

Yeah. And so come to find out, he had someone else playing on his account a lot and someone caught him because there were people that were really good at these games and said, Elon would have known these certain things when he was actually playing on. live stream. And so I think, I don't know if he ever actually came out and admitted to some of this stuff, but at the very least, I thought that was interesting. And when you see stuff like that, then you also have to maybe question some other things as well. So. But it was just interesting

when he says stealth satellites, because we've not talked about that a lot. No. And we just don't know what's up there. Like I said, we don't even know what Elon is sending up there. And some of these things that Elon has sent to space potentially could be stealth satellites. before I was exposed to that I had seen UAP on military videos in the Pentagon but nothing that suggested you know origin

intent or in the level of detail that you know I came to find later you know how so explain that to the average with like how do you just come across UFO videos in the Pentagon what does that mean what tells somebody who has no idea how that happened So you have a clearance and there's a secret internet.

And on that secret internet, there's just a generic access like UNI. It's all very secret sensitive stuff, but more or less, everyone can look at what's on there. Then, you know, you have on this secret internet some compartmentation, light compartmentation, as it were. And then there's entirely different systems for truly, truly sensitive stuff. But the point is is that there is essentially a shared community of knowledge. And it goes back, you know, just like our own internet, it goes back over decades. If you have a top secret clearance, you go on J-Wix. You can pretty much go and see whatever is on there except for special compartmentalized stuff.

Yeah, pretty much. Or things that, you know, are just people protect their. business processes. So who would be putting UFO type or UAP videos on there? How does that happen? How do they end up there? Service members and intelligence officers who for one reason or another decided to put that footage there. What's the first UFO video you see? What would you think of it? Or military film footage of a UFO. What was that like? well technically the first true like military footage was that I saw was that tick-tack video and the go fast video and I think there's one other else the gimbal

video that all came out in 2017 granted I didn't see those on military systems but just being a precise here yeah and so things that I saw after that kind of looked like all that, but just much more duration. The videos, you know, it's the internet, whether it's secret or not. There's compression. There's upload and file sizes. So some things are crystal clear, but it's only 15 seconds. Some things, you can see 45 minutes of something moving around, but it's kind of blurry

because that's a lot of data. So you've seen crystal clear at times videos of what appear to be, would you say, non-human intelligence made craft? I mean, you see evidence that the rest of the world. world doesn't get to see that starts happening. Yeah. Nothing in those videos necessarily proves it's extraterrestrial or non-human. It certainly is anomalous, exotic, and unexplainable.

And advanced. Yes. Beyond our capabilities that you know of? I don't know. Some of it might have been within our capabilities to replicate even in an inferior manner, but quite a lot of it. it's either something else or we live in a world where we have been left behind. 2017, these stories come out, New York Times and other media.

The videos become known. That sparked your curiosity and you start looking around for that kind of stuff or it would just come across your desk and in front of your eyes naturally. Yeah, so not looking for that stuff. Did you have access to live feeds? Yes. So live feeds real time, you could go. into like a Reaper drone and see if there's something going on.

Just, I mean, not that you're specifically looking for UFOs, but you had access even to live feeds. Yeah. You know, not anything special. No special access. But, you know, you know where those resources are. You can go look at them. And I did.

I want to go back to this. You said with these nuclear facilities, nuclear weapons, nuclear labs, nuclear power plants, within a year or two, like, are you saying, all of them get visited or are there some strange phenomenon i can't say that they all do but i would i would suspect that you know anything that is uh sufficiently nuclear uh will draw attention at some point and will be uh they will be encountering and what are they what do you see it what kinds of things are you seeing and i want to stop here because obviously we've heard for years and years and years that it seems like these ufos uapes have always been attracted to

our nuclear programs, facilities, silos, whatever. We've had military personnel on these bases where we actually have some of these nuclear silos that encountered some of these UFO craft that would come down in some cases very, very low. We're talking about even not just in places in the United States, but also some of our military bases across the ocean. And, you know, even back in Randall Sham Air Force Base and some of this other stuff, we, for whatever reason know that these things are somehow, for some reason, attracted to our nuclear power. And not only that, but they can turn on and turn off the power of these nuclear weapons.

Like, they can alert them or like- Activate them or deactivate them or deactivate. Yeah, that's the word I'm looking for. Yeah, activate and deactivate these weapons right there on the spot and there's nothing anyone can do. Yeah, absolutely. It's nuts. And we've always known this. And this is one of the things. that we've heard from military personnel for many, many years. And, you know, now you have a whistleblower from the Pentagon, from a contracted company that literally one of his main jobs was nuclear. I mean, that was one of Matthew Brown's jobs was to oversee and, I guess, investigate

and do certain things with nuclear technology, power, or weapons. And so, you know, he says, I can't guarantee or tell you that these things show up at all nuclear sites. but we know for sure that they are heavily connected in our nuclear capabilities and power. Yeah, and I thought it was interesting, too, that he said, we are able to replicate these things, but we can do it in an inferior manner, meaning we can't exactly replicate it. No, absolutely. Yeah.

I mean, we probably take some of the things they do and try to replicate it in some of our technology. I mean, there's been a lot of people that speculate that some of our composited material on our F-22 fighters or F-35s, that even potentially the B-2 bombers, F-1-17 fighters, where we first started to discover stealth technology. This is where a lot of people believe that this potentially came from reverse engineering composite material

and how they kind of utilize some of their stealth capabilities. And, you know, even some of the thrust vectoring. And there's so many things in fighter jets today that we just don't fully understand how we came about it. But when he talked earlier about like some of the, stuff, I believe, is ours, whether it's air or water. But we know for sure that we do have these drones that the U.S. military has. I think there's one that's called the stingray.

And it literally looks like a stingray. It looks like a craft. It docks at certain military bases. And there was actually a Google Earth image that someone found this craft, the stingray, docked up in a military base. Oh, wow. In an ocean. And it was like under the water.

And it probably looks like a UFO. Kind of does. but I mean, it looks like a, you know, it looks like a stingray. Well, yeah. I mean, like a large stingray type thing, but it's like white or some, you know, type of composite material. It looks similar to where you would maybe think of like a B2 bomber or a F-22 fighter jet, like in the air.

They're kind of doing the same thing with some of the underwater technology. And I wanted to mention, too, with Hal Poodoff's interview with Joe Rogan, he actually showed a picture showing a piece. of a craft that they had gathered up or whatever you want to call it. But it was, I think it was one fourth inch thick and it had like 19 layers

of material in this really tiny, tiny thing. And they said that they gave it to a company and they wanted to try to replicate it. And they spent a million dollars and couldn't even get the two layers right. Well, they did get two layers, but it broke their machines. It did all this

stuff and there was, what, 15 or 19 layers on this particular thing? And so all though they could not prove that this material was from another planet necessarily, but they did say like it would have cost millions of millions and millions of dollars. And for what reason, we don't know, the most advanced company that deals with composite material for aircraft could not even replicate past two layers. Exactly. And so that, you know, that leads you to kind of believe this is something very special that we don't

know about. Well, and I think it has to come from another planet or something that we're not doing correctly. Well, how Putoff said in the interview last night, if you guys go back and listen to the, to our podcast last night where he says, you know, I do believe these things are from another planet. And that they have home bases here. Yeah, they have bases here, which is also very interesting as well. I mean, nothing too dramatic when it comes to like these facilities. A lot of times it's, it's porbs of, you know, it's hard to always judge the size.

But I'd be surprised if it's bigger than a Cessna, probably something somewhere in between, whether it's white or silverish or. or if you're looking through different sensor apparatus, it'll look like whatever hot or cold is. But usually orbs around these facilities. Sometimes things that look a bit more irregular, but the vast majority being orbs. I mean, the world's been exposed to some of this. There's been a clarification to the general public

about what are you seeing when you're seeing infrared or flare. It takes some translation. There are people that focus on that and they can read that. But basically, you're looking at things that don't have flight control surfaces, that don't have traditional propulsion. They seem to tag them on, which we've heard forever, with nuclear events and that kind of thing, nuclear structure. But you see a lot of these shark getting exposed to them. I mean, just to begin, doesn't that start or doesn't that start to kind of feed that curiosity in you? You just all of a sudden, the average person, but you're now seeing stuff that you can't.

Yeah, you have to be a special kind of boring to not be interested after those states. It's shocking, especially knowing the context of what you're looking at. Right, which you get when you have those systems that can look at that 100%. What's the contest? Big picture. Like, what's the context? Yeah, and in this way, are you seeing images? Is there a discussion?

There's their text that comes along with us. Hey, we saw this thing. What the hell is it? It's not us. Surprisingly little of that. I think the community kind of knows or new that we don't talk about this. It's there. You know, that changed some years ago, but it's since been, I think, shut down again in terms of, like, you know, community participation and solving the problem.

So people within the intelligence community know you don't talk about this out loud. You don't say the quiet part out loud. You post stuff. You kind of get... Then we get an era of discussion when this starts coming forward, 2017, New York Times story. But then you're explaining that there's been a kind of clampdown on that dialogue and discussion. I've heard that from a lot of people on the inside. You witnessed that too?

Yes, absolutely, both firsthand and from, you know, hearing from friends and connections. The screws were tightened and certain agencies, you're not allowed to mention certain whistleblower's names or you'll be fired immediately. So there's no announcement on the PA system. There's no leaflets left in the cafeteria. No memo put out that says, don't talk about this stuff, but you know. Yeah, yeah. You pick up on that vibe real quick. When you say there's certain whistleblower's names you can't mention, this brings me back to a friend of ours when George is doing his news report on Bob Lazar first time he's going to air.

He just said when he was up at Area 52, he just said, hey, you should pay attention to the news. his career was over. He got pulled into room the next day. I would call him a friend of ours. I interviewed him about it. I mean, that was done. He just mentioned to watch Georgia's news report. Again, we're not equating Bob Lazar to anything.

What we were just saying? That happened. So what do you mean if you mention certain whistle boys? Who? David Grush. You can't mention David Grush in certain professional settings or you are fucked. Yeah. If you're not fired, you are in for a very rough time, as I understand.

ending. Elizondo? You know, I didn't hear Elizondo as a no-go word. Saying David, look, David Grush testified in open Congress, so that makes sense. So, have you seen it happen? Have you seen people, like, mention his name? How do you become a way you can't even talk about him? So that specific example, a friend at that agency, that was essentially the word of mouth from management. Nothing written in paper, nothing in emails. but from what it sounds like, people got a conversation with their leadership and were told as much as we've just gone over. And his name was absolutely the first-hand experience sort of radioactive in the chat rooms. It would either all of a sudden these people that never participate are they're really slamming him and slamming the people talking about him on the classified internet.

Indeed. Our space is when we talked about a bunch of these where people had open dialogue, it just got to clamp down. And his name was part of that. That's what you meant when you said certain people are radioactive. You can't mention their names. Right. Okay. Includes.

Yeah. We're nuclear. He's radioactive, a different designation. Yeah. So you're seeing these videos and some limited discussion. You can't really openly talk about it, but you're curious. You're kind of hooked on the topic. Yeah.

And to be clear, uh, uh, 2018 when this first exposure happened and for about a few years after, it was more, it did at least feel more open, looking back on it. This was probably a counterintelligence prerogative at the time. But it was allowed to exist. The discussion was allowed to exist. And it felt more like, you know, people were excited to finally actually be able to talk about this and finally be able to try to compare notes, figure it out. Well, that's when the UAP task force was created. They didn't call it that, but it was up and running.

And they were trying to make entreaties out to the intelligence community and DOD. Hey, they wanted input from and partners. Yeah. So I saw that emerge and I saw it die. It's all die. When you say exposure, we're going to get into this, but you mean, technically it's called spillage. It's when you see something that is of a compartmentalized or nature that you are not specifically

cleared to see and you were exposed to something. And it was like, holy shit, what is this? And the first thoughts of that I'm interested in. So if we're at that point, yeah. Okay. So let's talk about that. Look, the whole world that knows about IMCON, Immaculate constellation, where Saying that word out loud.

At one time, that was very dangerous to say out loud, to write, to text. We should talk about that. But before, this is your gateway. This is the entrance point. What happened? How did it happen? What did you see? What did you think?

Yeah. So the first exposure or the exposure to a MacLeck Constellation happened on a shared server that was shared by all the offices in. OSD. What I was doing through what I was doing at the time was opening files that were clearly misfiled and either sorting them to our offices, you know, part of that server or putting them in their own box to be sorted by other response to your jobs. I mean, this is more like volunteer duty, but yes. So because you're a workaholic and you're curious and you read a lot, you come across a file that really is what leads us to being here today.

It's the Schreiber file? Yeah, so it was labeled 2018 Schreiber Wargame. It might have been brief or something else, but that's it. There's nothing about that that screams. It's a very interesting thing. In fact, usually a lot of war game briefs are pretty boring. So there's nothing that stood out about it. accidental exposure for you.

100%. You go into it and what do you see? There's just a generic title slide. There's a banner without classification markings that just says Immaculate Constellation. And it has a placeholder slide that shows like the Shriver Warbit or Shriver Air Base logo and some logos of the units involved. But at that time, I believe it would have still been like Air Force Space Command adjacent. So still, nothing particularly stunning. I think the name at the top, probably just the name of the exercise.

So the next slide, though, is where it gets interesting, because the face of Lou Elizondo is on that next slide. And I was not who I was expecting to see. And it was accompanied by text to summarize, please have some grace with me. It's been seven years. But it was saying that Immaculate Constellation is an unacknowledged special access program established after the exposure of ATIP in 2017 by former USDA officer Lou Elizondo. And that's the gist of that first slide. And so I'm looking at that.

And nothing particularly convincing that that's alien related or what the sap is or what it's doing. So I don't know what to make of this. So I read the whole thing. And it got very interesting, very quick. So it's designated a sap. You know this is a sap. It's sitting on a server.

Maybe it shouldn't be on. Correct. Right. So I think that's important. And also it seems like it's just a response to the public spillage or exposure that we saw come forward with people like and specifically Lou Elizando. This was like an internal classified response to the. fact, oh shit, some of this is out now.

Yeah, that's exactly the tone of those words, of that slide. That's the implied order of events that led to being established. It's like 2018, maybe. Yeah. And I want to point out something here real quick. I mean, he is literally going through. He sees this file as to Shriver file, and he starts reading through it. And over the next two or three pages, he sees Lou Alizando.

Now, Lou Alizando is a very, very key figure in the whole UFO talk and community. Lou Alizando came on the scene a few years ago with ATIP and he, you know, not ATIP, but he was a part of this program, this government program that he was put in charge of, also known as ATIP, the advanced aerial phenomenon, whatever. And so he has been huge in the dissemination of information over the last four to five to six years, maybe eight years. He even wrote a book. Lou Alizando has a book out there that, you know, you can read or not. And one of the biggest contentious subjects in the UFO talk or conversation has been Lou Alizando. There's a lot of people that believe he is a paid asset. He is out here to spill information the way he wants it to be spilled.

And there's a reason why people believe that, which we're going to hopefully play a clip after. And this part of the interview is about to wrap up because this is only part one. of the Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp interview with Matthew Brown, but he does at least get into what Immaculate Constellation is and what the entire premise behind this is. But when you hear the actual interview with Lou Alessando back in the day versus something that Ross Colthart was talking about recently, you understand that Lou Alizondo used to be an agent, I guess, of the government,

which was specifically over psychological warfare in some ways. And now he's out here trying to have the conversation, of UFOs in the public space. With the public, yeah. To tell them what you should believe about the UFO topic. Yeah, and I don't know if I believe him or not. I mean, I believe some of what he says. And I think, like you said, I think he was put it out there to get rid of some information

that they don't want us to talk about. Yeah. But I want you guys to like really pay close attention now because it's getting to the point where I think remote viewing is coming up. Yeah, maybe plays a role for sure. There's just a few more minutes, but listen, this is the most important part. The file was at least last accessed in 2018. I can't remember if it did say, you know, the file creation data, if I looked it up,

but I know it was last accessed. And you see who's accessed it prior to you? I can. And what did you see? So everyone says that I'm wrong. It's impossible. But the name I recall and recalled at the time thinking, oh, that's odd, was name redacted. And did you know who that was?

vaguely at that time I you know people are considered superstars in leadership circles so you just hear names like that and that's what her name was why would that be impossible why are people now in retrospect why are people telling you that would be impossible oh she wasn't at the pentagon then where was she she was at the pentagon to my knowledge but they're saying she wasn't there right interesting so all right so shriver war games you just keep reading there's a big slide with lou elizando's face on it what comes next I mean I you know you you get a sense that I shouldn't be able to read this here? No, not yet, actually. To be clear, at that point in time, I had no formal training in what Saps were. There was no SAP marking on this, just a name, Immaculate Constellation. The opening slide, you know, just we would call it improperly labeled, improperly classified. What was it? What did show?

So the next slide, the third slide about, just jumps straight into the, the, mission of this app and showing what apparently the results of that mission are. And it's a collection incident in the Pacific Ocean. The subject of collection is several Russian naval intelligence vessels in the middle of the ocean at night. And above those vessels is a large black triangle floating in the air. This is a still image, but it is color. Okay.

So that's the first kind of event. what was the mission? What was the mission? That's what people want to know is what was the mission of Immaculate Constellation as described in the product? So in the product itself, you had to piece together the mission by reading the whole thing and kind of putting together the parts. You know, it never spelled out fully, like, as it should, the mission of the SAP. And I assume that's because this is a type of brief where there will be inserts to the deck, which would be inserted by the SAP control officer, during the briefing that would provide another level of detail.

But based on the information included in there and its description, the mission becomes apparent, and that is a bare minimum. It's the intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance mission of a global nature for UAPs and RVs, ARVs. The hesitation there is some time has passed. One of those acronyms is in there, either RV or ARV, and that is, how the triangle in this case was labeled. It's been seven years.

So as you're reading through this and that you're remembering RV or ARB just for our audience. So RV is, you know, reverse reproduction vehicle. And the ARB would mean anomalous reproduction. You know, we see, you know, people in the literature say alien reproduction vehicle. It could just be anomalous, advanced or advanced. It could be anything that can go after A. So you don't know what that is, but I don't. This is a pretty interesting image here.

It is. And then the text of the companies, it describes the incident. And what can you tell us? Yeah, the summary of that is just the how it unfolded. I should actually back up and say the image itself was unique. This isn't by a plane or a satellite. It looks to be a image pretty close to the water line. So something that to me read is we have a clandestine submersible asset close by this fleet,

and it's taking pictures trying to stay unnoticed. And so, yes, in the description, it basically lays out what occurred that night, which was that the R.E. collection assets were there in area monitoring Russian naval vessels. Not sure what they're doing there, but they've been hanging out in the middle of the ocean in this place, apparently for a few days. Keep an eye on him. And this night, while they are observing the Russian vessels, a large black triangle materializes or decloaks or something.

The point is, is it did not move. It appeared directly above these ships, probably no more than 200 meters, pretty close. And interestingly, as noted in the report itself, there was no visible reaction from these vessels from what would almost certainly be considered a hostile approach. What do you take away from that? They didn't notice it or they're not upset about it or they don't know what to do with it or what?

So the implication also in the text describing it was, or sorry, I should say the analysis in the text was that the Russian Navy had foreknowledge that this vehicle would appear in that area of the ocean and they were there specifically to either collect on it themselves or to interact with it in some way. Any indication that it might be there, that they knew it's going to be there because they control it. Not in that document. And I haven't seen anything to make me think that they controlled that particular craft, but didn't see anything to the contrary either. I guess it could be that they've seen it before, that there's nothing they can do about it, so don't get excited about it. Might be, although it is interesting, you know, if it's something that's part of their environment, as it were. Why are they making an effort to be in this space at this time to collect on something they already know about? Is it like in the middle of nowhere?

Yeah, it's off the coast of Kamchatka is as I recall in the Pacific Ocean. That's what struck me. I mean, my mind goes to the idea that they were kind of camped out, you know, deep kind of ocean in this one specific area durationally. It kind of implies to me, if I'm thinking outside the box here, there's some form of comms or communication. with whoever the operators are of this craft. Am I going too far with that idea? I think it's a reasonable one to have, but it's not one that I can like validate. Yeah, let's be clear. You were exposed to something. We're just touching the basics here. We're theorizing. We're talking about a bunch of stuff. We don't know. But the descriptions that you were exposed to kind of give you a little insight that we can at least look at some of those assumptions, right?

Right. Absolutely. And I'm sure there's a literature out there that can help narrow down. Yeah. All right. So there is essentially the first part of this interview where Jeremy Corbell, George Knapp, and Matthew Brown. Now. And this is the groundbreaking news. Supposedly.

Now, here's the thing. Tomorrow night we have Ashton Forbes on. And I think that many of you listen to his exact description of what Immaculate Constellation technically is. It's a triangle. Yeah, but it's just the entire process of we had a file to where we had some type of he believes potentially a submersible object or craft underwater because if you look at the pictures and the images in this file, the images were not from a drone or any of that stuff.

It wasn't from satellite. It was from some type of almost water level picture to where maybe the United States had some type of submersible object, some type of maybe submersible drone. Could have been maybe a submarine doubtful though because Russia would have likely been able to detect a submarine. And I'm sure like with the craft that we just talked about a minute ago, the stingray, I think they called it or whatever it is, that craft is designed to be not seen, I guess, on sonar and or some type of Doppler systems.

And so he thinks that we were taking pictures of this event happening. Somehow we knew it was going to happen for some reason. Oh, some reason. Well, what do you think the reason was? And why do you think the Russians were there? He talks about that this craft. this triangle materialized out of nowhere and then it dematerialized out of nowhere it essentially disappeared this is something that you could say okay well there's two options here

russia these russian warships or the russian government either knew about this craft maybe it is their craft that they somehow have control over and if that's the case by the way it's kind of a scary thing yeah when something right appears and then disappears and so it basically manifest itself, de-manifest itself, and it has obviously very advanced cloaking or some type of power to that degree. And or you could think or say something in the terms of what you talked about with the remote viewing thing. Like, you know, if there was an alien spacecraft out in the ocean, maybe they knew this thing

kind of is either in this location specifically. Maybe this is a specific part of the ocean that it does this often. And what I will go back to is the Pell Horse book where William Cooper was an intelligence officer, but he used to be back on submarines. And then he was on gunships and warship. He was on a bunch of stuff. And then he became an intelligence officer. But when he was on the submarines in particular, there was one incidence to where at this time

and this particular day, there was some type of saucer that would come out of the ocean and then disappear. And then it would come back and go into the ocean. and then it would come back up and it would disappear again. And so it wasn't just William Cooper in this position that saw this. The first instance that William Cooper saw it, he was the only one that saw it. And then he called a bunch of people down from the boat and said, hey, guys, look at what we're looking at here. And then it was like, I think it was a day later, naval intelligence came on board.

They put him in a room. And in this room, he said, hey, what did you guys see yesterday? And he said, well, I think I saw a UFO come out of the ocean. And he said, this guy flipped his shit, cussed him out in every way, shape, or form. And then it was like five minutes later after this dude cussed him in every way possible. He says, all right. Again, what did you see yesterday? Oh, sir, I saw nothing.

Exactly. That's exactly what he saw. He saw nothing, right? Then they made him sign a paper that says you are never going to be talking about this because you have up to this amount of fine and up to 10 to 20 years in prison. If you ever mentioned this incident again, they made. made everyone else do this as well, including the captain and everybody else that was on this particular vessel. So it makes you think, like, does Russia or did Russia know maybe about where a craft, maybe

there's a base under the ocean there and they knew where this craft was, maybe they were trying to interact with this, or did they have actual capabilities to create or reverse engineer this and they, and they control this? And if that's the case, that's really scary. But if there is just capabilities of saying, listen, we're going to do this remote viewing thing and we know this craft is going to be here at a certain time. We got to get our subs up here. And we're going to view it and like take pictures and do data. Could it be that?

I don't know. It could be. But I don't think it's that. I mean, you could say it's remote viewing and you could say potentially that's how they knew about this. We don't know. I mean, you know, when we go back to the Hal Putoff interview yesterday with Joe Rogan, where he talks about all the things that they knew and they could they could view remotely, whether it was, you know, particular parts in the Soviet or the Russian land,

where they wanted them to specifically view what they were building. So there was, for example, a huge submarine they built. This remote viewer knew that they were building this thing. And then it was months later, this massive submarine came out. Everyone knew this remote viewer was not full of shit. Right. So it could be. But I think in specific, with us bringing on Ashton,

Forbes tomorrow and, you know, obviously his big push on a lot of what we're seeing in our skies is our technology or adversary. Or adversary. Yes. This is something that's huge. And it's also pretty scary because if we do have or they have technology that maybe we don't have, for example. And as he said earlier, we are maybe left behind.

Yes. If someone else hasn't, we don't. We're screwed. So here's the thing. I mean, at the end of the day, you have jambore. Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp coming on here, this Immaculate Constellation thing, the, you know, the congressional committee, the UIP task force. All of these people have talked about this immaculate constellation. Michael Schellenberger, the journalist, everybody has been pushing this thing big.

We've only heard part one of this interview. But what is talking about here is Russia interacting with some type of craft that materializes and then dematerializes. And to me, I think this. This sounds more like their own technology that they are interacting with and working with out in the middle of the ocean. More so maybe than it sounds like UFO technology. But it still goes back to, we believe, for sure, that likely they reverse engineered this technology. I mean, you go back to World War II, the foo fighters and, you know, all of the pilots that encountered these craft that they believed were UFOs at the time. And this was in the 40s.

And then you think about even before that. I mean, we've always had sightings of UFOs or craft. Yes. Of advanced technology long before we believe we ever have the possibility of creating something or even reverse engineering stuff like this. And I also want to mention, too, when we talk about these crafts, they're not always just orb looking or tick-tac looking. This is not always technology that is just one shape. This is technology that are different shapes. A lot of times we've talked about things that could be like or.

and that's what we see the most. But there's also things that people have come out, especially military, that see, they see rectangles, triangles, and other forms. Yeah, they even see cubes of circles inside or vice versa, spheres. The big question here, though, is how many of these things are not ours? How many of these things have we reverse engineered? And what is the truth behind UFO or alien technology that exist on this planet that we do not control? And that is absolutely the biggest question.

I'm very excited about tomorrow night's episode with Ashton Forbes. You guys do not want to miss this because we're going to cover the Hal Putoff Joe Rogan interview where Ashton breaks it down from his perspective. And I think honestly, Ashton's one of the most brilliant minds of our time right now. He's getting a lot of heat, especially because of his investigation into MS. 70 and based on the videos that he has highly publicized and pushed out there to the masses as far as what he believes, to mary street 70 but then we're also going to talk about matthew brown and the immaculate constellation because i guarantee you already know where ashton's going to go with it but you can not miss that interview but guys that's going to do it for this episode we appreciate each and everyone

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