Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Is It All Controlled? Iran War, Trump, and the New World Order | Maze Love

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

Tonight’s conversation goes deeper than headlines. We’re joined by Maze Love to break down the latest on the Iran conflict, the evolving relationship between the United States and Israel, and the growing divide inside the Republican Party. But this discussion doesn’t stop at surface-level politics. We get into the bigger question that more people are starting to ask, are these events unfolding organically, or is there a larger system at play behind the scenes? From shifting alliances to political narratives, we explore whether the lines between left and right are as real as they seem, and where figures like Donald Trump fit into the broader global picture. Maze brings her perspective from years of analyzing world events in real time, and together we dig into power, influence, and the possibility that what we’re seeing may be more coordinated than we’re told. If you’ve been questioning what’s really driving global events, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss.Check out our merch storeFollow Maze Love

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hello Welcome to Investigator Earth Podcast. I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Tonight we're diving straight into one of the most tense and complicated moments we've seen a long time. The latest developments surrounding the Iran conflict, the evolving relationship between the United States and Israel, and the growing factors we're now seen inside the Republican Party itself. And to help us break it all down, we've got a guest who has been right in the middle of these conversations in real time.

Joining us tonight is Mays Love, a retired technology manager from the investment banking world, who stepped into the spotlight as a sharp geopolitical commentator, artist and researcher. With over 100,000 followers on X, she hosts high energy spaces, tracks global events as they unfold, and isn't afraid to take on the tough conversations head on. Mays, we're very glad to have you with us tonight. Welcome to the show. It's been a while since we have talked, but we do have some history. We kind of started about three years ago or four, I guess you can say, right?

That was when we met, I think. Yeah, it was 2022 is when I was. came on but I think early 2023 I started getting into spaces quite a bit and yeah it was it was around that time that we'd met and I think you were starting out too if I'm not mistaken yeah we were definitely on X we've done this probably since 2017 or 18 I guess the show but really started getting involved in spaces around that time around the same time you were as well and so we we had actually used to get in some huge spaces I think where I met you was grant cardone space if I'm not mistaken but I can't remember exactly but maize we we introed you uh

I think one thing that the intro did not sum up quite perfectly enough is the fact that you have been the host of some major spaces on X. And, you know, some of the biggest spaces I've been in or seen where you are either a host or co-host with some big name people that are talking very, very huge topics. How did you get into that? Let's just start there. And, you know, how did you grow your audience to where it is today? Well, you know, my, I actually, believe it or not, I was one of those people that was like

anti-social media, like in 2019 and 2020. And then after the lockdowns in 2021, my goddaughter, she was showing me this thing called Clubhouse. And so I was fascinated because it was like a stage with people from all over the world that were like in there talking about subjects and kind of breaking it down. I mean, they would, you know, and I think the first one that I had seen, it was about like homeschooling or something like that.

And I remember I was like, let me see the phone and I like hit the request and I got on stage she was freaking out she couldn't even believe it and I was like I mean this you know and so I started talking and next thing you know I was like you know I'm going to create an account and that's actually where I met Grant Cardone and he was the one that was trying to get everybody over to X because he was like you know the clubhouse at that time it was really big because of the lockdowns but they didn't really have the the huge base of followers and they weren't as established as Twitter. And so Twitter started spaces and he was like, get over here.

You know, like there's no ceiling over here. And I remember the space that I had joined of his, the very first one, I think, was when he was interviewing General Flynn, I think it was, or he was interviewing somebody. And so I came over and, yeah, then I was like, you know, I kind of like it here. So then I just stuck here and then eventually Clubhouse ended up, you know, I guess it's still there, but basically collapsing for the most part. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And I think the Democrats got a hold of Clubhouse, I think, is the problem is what happened. So have you always been involved or interested in geopolitical, um, situations and conversations or was that something new you got into or? You know, that's actually a great question. No, I was not. I, I, I never, um, thought much of it. Like I, I, I just.

felt like in the back of my mind, it's so interesting because the roller coaster of my experience was like in the back of my mind, I always felt like it was just theater. You know, I had the conspiracy theorist in me, and for some reason that attracted the Republican base. Like I ended up having a lot of political followers and a lot of which were on the Republican side. And of course, my values do align. But that's kind of how I was introduced into the political. political dialogue. But I was really troubled by the game. It was like, it was almost like the dichotomy was set up to be exploited. You could see that, you know, there was always echo chambers.

And then, and whenever there was a debate, it was usually ping ponging back and forth, like the talking points that are given via mainstream. So I was like, this just doesn't seem real. And so I guess my quest was to really have more meaningful dialogue, things that are much more original. how things impact people directly and then what people can do if they wanted to do something, because a lot of times there's no bandwagon to jump on. And it seems like, you know, there's, it's just kind of these reactive loops that people were engaged in. So that's what got me interested in then hosting a lot of these spaces.

And my journey of learning, obviously, I made that very public. I was when the, you know, what happened with, um, to end October 7th, um, you know, that was a huge reality revolution for me. I mean,

and it all happened on, on the world stage. Like I, I, I did it. My whole, I guess, like I,

I didn't even really know about Israel and about Palestine like that. You know, I was, um, I was, I was, I was quite shaken by what, what we saw happening that whole time.

and a lot of my views around it just kind of evolved, but it was very public. And so that's how I got into the geopolitics was that was my catalyst for that. Well, that may as interesting you say that because I want to let everybody know actually how we kind of met initially or talked, I guess, the first time. And it wasn't the first time. It was probably the second, third or fourth space that we were in together. And you were either a co-host or a speaker. I was also a speaker.

And it might have been Mario's one of his spaces or, something but I remember specifically it was like a hundred thousand people in this space and it was it was post October 7 and this obviously for our audience they know that our views especially on the Israel Gaza situation October 7th that how much we have evolved from October 7th to now and I remember even back then you know when we would have Ian Carroll on we had him on three or four times and then Ian kind of just kind had dipped out and wouldn't come back on our show. I think partially because he had heard episodes after to where, you know, especially Sherry being, you know, her family has Jewish ties and,

I guess, Jewish blood or whatever you want to call it, you know, we, I was not as quick, I guess, to understand or realize certain things about October 7th and what was actually unfolding. And I remember we had had a conversation on one of the spaces and it was in front of a lot of people where you disagreed with me about the stance of Israel. and you were, I guess at that time I was a little bit more on the side of Israel as far as, you know, because of what happened after October 7th. And I guess you were just viewing things a little bit differently from the side of like the Gaza, Palestinian side.

I remember also at the same time, you had mainstream media everywhere that was showing all of these videos of, you know, pro-Palestinian protesters that were wearing the Hamas flags and going to college campuses and everything. So it was almost like mainstream media wanted you to believe that. that if you were to protest Israel or even have any, I guess, sympathy for Gaza, that you were a Democrat. You were one of the far-left lunatics, just like they were showing on mainstream media, which, you know, in hindsight, I think a lot of that actually was a sciop. But what I did appreciate about you was even though we disagreed and you knew that we had disagreed even after every time I would see you in spaces or we would talk, you would always be very respectful. but also I think your stance on the Israel Gaza situation has always been very respectful.

Even to this day, if you look at Maze's profile or some of the things that she asked or how she asked questions in spaces, even though you have your viewpoint, I think you're very respectful about it. And I think that you're always constantly trying to let other people give their opinion, even if it is completely opposite of yours. And so that's what I respect about you. And so that leads me to, I guess, the question, what was it about the Israel Gaza thing that kind of, I guess, major opinions or viewpoints the way they are today.

And what are those opinions and viewpoints? Well, you know, loaded question, but it's a great one. I think that, you know, in my journey, I should say, I picked up on a lot of patterns that were pointing to a lot of these visionary documents that were written going all the way back. I mean, even further back than the 80s, but I'm just going to kind of start there just to simplify it. But what is pointing to is like this plan that has been in place for quite some time.

You have a lot of the think tanks that wrote these strategy documents and visionary documents like the Clean Break memo, for example. And then it was PNAC rebuilding America's defenses. And then you have, you know, which pathway to Persia. And what that shows when you kind of like lay them all out is that there seems to have been a plan for, geopolitical, you know, strategic positioning, if you will, and a lot of it has to do with trade routes. And I think that this, you know, because of, you know, the exploitation of religion, I think that that's highly exploited. I think everyone outside of the people that may have been in the planning part of it are just, you know, on the short end of the stick, if you will, like it doesn't matter

which side that you're on. I think, you know, there's a lot of exploitation. that's happened because obviously religion, you know, this is something that's very deep-rooted. It's emotional. It's, you know, when it deals with matters of religion, it's like, you know, it bypasses your prefrontal cortex. Like this is something that people are just emotionally reactive to. And I think that this is something that is fueling a lot of the divide that is preventing, and obviously preventing people from being able to do anything about it is because we're punching horizontally. But at the end of the day, what you'll see is that these documents kind of clearly

outlined the countries in which they wanted to destabilize. And in hindsight, I mean, is it a coincidence that it happened that way? You know, when you see the clean break memo, all of the countries that it names, and then, you know, PNAC basically stating that they needed some sort of catalyzing event like the Pearl Harbor in order to like, um, exce, you know, accelerate the timeline and being able to do what they wanted to achieve with the global Pax Americana. And then you have which pathway to Persia, which is kind of broken out into like four different sections. But it's got like nine different approaches in which all of which they've done at some point in time and being able to like come up with the preemption type of, you know,

justification and normalizing that in the minds of, you know, people globally. And, you know, the containment and then the, just all the different, the things that we've already done and to now, where we are now. I mean, it's literally all laid out. And so I think where I'm at now is that I think that it's really just this very elite class and the growing disparity between the haves and the have-nots is happening right now. There's a labor shock that's coming,

not only with AI and robotics, but obviously with energy, um, energy shocks that are going to be kind of taking shape. we're moving into a new monetary system. And I think it's all related. You know, I don't think these are separate things. I think that they're all, you know, interconnected.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so that's kind of in a nutshell, but I do, you know, when it comes to Israel and the government and the very right-wing Lekud Party and, you know, their role in the decent, stabilization that's taken place over there, I think is kind of what I'm very, very critical of. Yeah. And obviously that has resulted in a lot of the migration.

And that's something that it was, you know, the conservatives over here complain about quite a bit, but they're just not seeing the connection. No, that makes sense. You know, and I think that there's, you know, a lot of overlap there. Yeah. Now, I wanted to make a clear point. You had talked about the clean. break memo and refers to a 1996 policy paper titled A Clean Break, a New Strategy for Secure

in the Realm. It was written by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by a group of American neo-conservative thinkers, including Richard Pearl and Douglas Feath. But at his core, the document argued that Israel should move away from the Land for Peace approach and instead taking more aggressive, self-reliant strategy in the Middle East to emphasize strengthen the military deterrence, rejecting negotiations that required territorial concessions, meaning like any negotiations they would ever be in, if they were trying to say Israel,

you can't move out of where you're at now, you could potentially take over the entirety of the Middle East. Well, they're not going to negotiate on those, I guess, logics. And then it also says that reshaping the regional balance of power, particularly by weakening hostile neighboring states like Iraq, Iran, Syria. And then, so obviously why you still hear it today talked about is that some analysts believe that parts of the memo's idea later influenced U.S. foreign policy, especially during the Iraq war.

there were many that argued it reflected a broader strategy to remake the Middle East, while others say the connections is overstated and that it was simply one of many policy proposals floating around at the time. But as you said, the clean break policy, along with the other memos, you know, it kind of almost sets up exactly what we are seeing today. And we've talked on this show in depth about October 7th. And this show is not going to be entirely about Israel. But I think that what we're going to talk about later on this show as far as the Republican Party fracture, what's happening even with Alex Jones, which we'll get to in just a bit. I think all of this has been set up.

You know, we've talked, you know, I guess exhaustion about October 7th. We, Sherry had actually interviewed Nitsana, which she is one of Israel's main, I guess, attorneys that she goes after. She's the IDF's attorney is what he's. Isn't that basically what she is? I'm not sure she's an IDF attorney, but I know she's one of the main attorneys for Israel. for Israel and she goes after terrorist groups and sues them. Yeah, so yeah, that's what she does. She goes after all of the, what they call terrorist organizations across the Middle East.

She tries to bankrupt them. She tries to disrupt every single thing they can possibly have for monetary value or gain. Whatever. She does this for Israel. Sherry interviewed her. And one of the questions that Sherry interviewed and asked her specifically was about the actual leaked document about October 7th, where it said that Israel knew about October 7th and they knew that it was going to happen up to a year prior.

they knew the exact date. Not only that, they moved, obviously, the music festival from eight miles inside of Israel to like a mile and a half. There's obviously been IDF soldiers that have testified saying that they had stand down orders on the day of October 7th. And it was some six and a half, seven hours, I guess, until the IDF could do anything. So the reason why all that's important is because obviously what's happening today and how much the U.S. has been pulled into this conflict. is all directly stemming back to October 7th, but it's not just that. October 7th also is the reason why there is a complete fracture in the Republican Party right now. And we're heading into midterms in November.

We obviously have 2028 on the horizon. This is catastrophic, I think, for the Republican Party. And have you, Mays like when you talk, obviously you said you're more right-leaning. You have more of those values and those opinions. But have you... was it kind of always did you build your audience you know based on like hey i'm pro trump or pro conservative and have you saw any backlash if you've kind of started calling out the administration today or what are kind of our actions have been in the middle east yes

backlash might be an understatement my i was kind of one of the early ones because i was really troubled by why he was attacking um massy Thomas massey is an amazing voting record. He was one that I thought was very like America first. He always was just on the right side of, you know, voting. And he also obviously, when it came to the Epstein files, that was the phase two of the divide. So first I noticed the huge divide coming in with Massey. Then after that, when the Epstein files came out, I was extremely disturbed by the Rickroll. Okay. And the whole binder gate and all of that. It was something that I was very outspoken about.

So then that came the second divide where I was constantly attacked. And then when, you know, I think even Cash Patel and Bondi, like all of these different public events kind of became a one of the triggers for some more, you know, like further branching off people. There was some point in which people would hit their threshold. And then now, like, what you have left are really the cultish, you know, MAGA, kind of maybe even somewhat cueish group that just they find some sort of secret win with every L that we just don't understand.

It's some sort of like 5D chess or whatever. Yeah, yeah. But yeah. So I got a lot of backlash starting back then. Well, it's kind of interesting you say that because we had, I don't know what episode it was. It was like a few episodes ago. And I guess whatever I'd said on that, I guess I'd mentioned cultish something. And so I got emails.

Oh, so you're calling me a cultist? Okay, well, bye. I'm like, no, I'm just saying that like a lot of the way that MAGA is certain portions of MAGA and influencers are acting today. It looks exactly like the influencers during the Biden administration and how they were reacting. Yeah. On the other side. But I just want to clarify, when I did interview her, I did ask her about October 7th. And, you know, I talked about the report in the Jerusalem Post saying that they had inside information knowing that they were going to attack and when and how.

And I asked her about it. She's like, no, no, no, no. That's not what happened. We knew that they were planning for our attack because they always planned for these attacks. But we did not have information about when. So I wanted to clarify that she did say that. Which is not true. But go ahead.

Now that, you know, I am awake and understand what's going on. Like you said, Chad, I don't really believe that. I think that the IDF and, you know, Israel, they have better technology and better everything than even America. So how could they not know it was going to happen? Yeah. And it's just frustrating to me because I did really stand by Israel. Like I said, you know, I'm 50 percent. What is it called?

Ashkenazi Jew. I mean, by blood. By blood, that's what I am. And so, of course, you know, I want to stay and fight and support for my heritage. But when I see what's going on now, I can't stand by something that I don't believe in, even if it is in my blood. And I'm awake to what's going on.

And I don't feel like Israel is making the right choices. And they're strongholding Americans into the same choices that Israel wants. Yeah. No, you're 100% correct. And by the way, with what Nitsana had said in that interview where she's like, oh, well, that's not necessarily true. but it is because the Jerusalem Post had leaked documents that showed like they knew the day. You know, so and they had known about this day for like a year in advance. The IDF, they stood down for eight hours that day and did nothing to help these poor people.

Yeah, for sure. What do you think about, you know? And you guys remember Charlie Kirk came out about that too. Yeah. For sure. Is the one that blew the whistle. He's like, I was in Israel. He's like, you couldn't look left or right and not see IDF somewhere.

It was very secure. And you could probably take a helicopter, I think, 45 minutes you cover all of Israel. And so I think that that was also another thing kind of leading to some of the current events today. But go ahead. I'm sorry. No, no, no.

I'm glad you said that because that's literally I was going to mention that. Yeah. Charlie Kirk himself said this, right? And so it's like even after October 7th, I don't think people realize Mays like how much has happened since Charlie Kirk's assassination. I mean, think about it. Like, doesn't it seem like, I mean, think about how we looked at post-COVID to where it's like pre-COVID, that was one world.

And then post-COVID was an entirely different world. And so from COVID to Charlie Kirk assassination, don't you feel like we're in a whole new realm now? That's like something has massively shifted even further than we thought it could ever happen. Even in my opinion, I think it's even worse now than it was post-COVID. A hundred percent. I mean, look at who it is that now is being glorified by MAGA. like Lindsay Graham.

I mean, I can't even name one person that I know that we were all kind of the same truth seekers, okay, that were Republicans, that were doing everything we could to really get Trump in. There's not one that would say pre, let's just say, Charlie Kirk and pre, you know, I don't know, I guess this new era that we're in, that Lindsay Graham would be who's fully endorsed by Donald Trump. Marco Rubio. Like, I mean, it's just, it's crazy because the people that we all revered prior to that are now the ones that they're trying to primary, you know, which is crazy to me. But yeah, it's definitely a different air to it and a different reality almost politically.

Yeah, and have you heard, I mean, because you mentioned Marco Rubio, but yeah, I mean, I 100% agree. We're in South Carolina. So Lindsey Graham is in our, you know, he's in our state. And by the way, whenever he goes to any kind of speaking event, do you know what happens to him? gets booed by the crowd because no one likes him. And I don't understand how he continually gets reelected when no one likes him. Yeah, even when Trump's sitting there on stage endorsing this guy and I mean, everybody that's

there for Trump is booing this guy. And yet somehow, and this is in his own state. This is not some other state. This is literally where Lindsey Graham was born. He gets booed. And so it just doesn't make a lot of sense. But then you start seeing like obviously how much APAC money he gets, how much influence he was visiting Israel leading.

up to the United States attacking alongside Israel, Iran. He was over in Israel every two weeks trying to figure out ways for Israel to convince Trump, basically manipulate him and lie to him about how to get us to attack Iran. And now there's new reports coming out, Mays. I don't know if you've seen these, but to where, I guess the Joint Chiefs of Staff, from what we are understanding, and I need to get this and clarify this, and you might know more about this. But from what we understand from what we are told is that Trump was planning potentially a nuclear attack on Iran and they had a joint chiefs of staff meeting to where apparently Trump was in this meeting flailing his hands, yelling just pretty irate to so many degrees. And so what this report actually

says, and we don't know if this is 100% true. It does come from an ex-general that was very connected, but he says that, you know, he was wanting to strategically strike Iran with a nuclear warhead as one of the, I guess, one of his generals or one of his joint chiefs staff members in the meeting, said he would absolutely not agree to this. And then Trump was taken out of the situation room from what we're hearing. Now we also saw, according to James O'Keefe, where this nuclear, I guess that's one of the top nuclear guys in the administration. He, he's He's now been escorted off of the Pentagon premises today after James O'Keeffe's, I guess you can say undercover reporting, where this guy was basically confirming, number one, yes, we've killed kids and a bunch of people in Iran due to our strikes. He was talking about we're probably going to kill whoever's Iran has their new leader.

But what this shows is like there is massive fighting going on in this administration. And like, what do you think happened, though, Mays, from like from the president that we voted? for Trump to now? Like, because it seems like, I mean, it seems like a completely different person. Does it not? It 100% does seem like a completely different person. And, you know, I'm having a hard time with this question because as much as I want to say

that perhaps, you know, there's a lot of, like, if you look at who's in his ear, you have Lutnik and you have Whitkoff and you have Jared Kushner. But then when you look back and you see the history with Jared Kushner and understanding who his father is and how. how Netanyahu was very close with their family. Like when they came to the United States, he would apparently stay in Jared's bed, and Jared would go downstairs.

Like, they're family friends. And so the change the dynamic for me quite a bit. So I did it a little bit of research to kind of see when it was. They got married. So apparently Ivanka and him split ways temporarily because of religious differences, but then she decided to convert, and then the next thing you know, they got married.

and this was like in 2007, between 2007 and 2009, when they met and then eventually got married. And so that makes me think that, you know, it's not like Trump was just kind of introduced into a situation in which, you know, he was being given all. Like there seems to have been, you know, I'm pretty sure over like family dinners. And then when you look at Jared's previous proposal, the prosperity for peace, and then how that eventually was kind of transformed and changed into the Abraham. Hammock Accords and also his role in creating the Isaac Accords, which is for South America, you begin to see like, well, maybe there's more to this. Because outside of that, I would have thought that like something really, you know, different is going on with Trump. And, you know, now I'm just starting to suspect that maybe he was the best con man. And I hate to say that. Trust me,

it hurts me to say that just as much as it sounds like, it really, I do think that it's just difficult to ignore that connection, all of the pardons that Trump has given. Even with what he's done with World Liberty Financial, he's advanced, you know, the interest of not only just Israel and other nation, whatever, but also of the global elite. Look who he brought into the White House during the inauguration. So you have like the neo-reactionary accelerationists, right? You have him bringing in the Bill Gates and Sam Altman's and really like there's just there seems to have Ellison. Exactly.

Exactly. And then he's got this bromance with Netanyahu unlike something I've never said. I would never thought in a million years prior to him being elected that this is what would have happened post-election. So but you know, it's just whether or not do we think he knew back then, like was he being. honest back then. And the evidence is just pointing to the fact that he, it's impossible for me to be able to, I don't know, give him a pass. I think that he knew what he was doing.

And that was a very difficult conclusion for me to come to. I did go down an investigative like path to come up with reasonable reasons to think that he knew what he was doing. Otherwise, I would say that maybe he's a Manchurian candidate. Yeah. but then well and that's interesting you say that because so i want to i want to also touch on this because i want to touch with you on the charlie kirk assassination as well um in just a moment but before i get to that i want to get your opinion on the kandas owens laura um feud i guess you can call

it laura obviously is um she is the most pro-israel influencer out there besides mark levin or ben shapiro but for some reason laura is in trump's ear on a regular basis and so now there's this feud for those that do not know that you're not on X or whatever but this is where things happen nowadays is on X if you want to know like whatever who who's pissed off of who and who hates who X is the best place to figure it out and so Laura Lumer and Candice Owens has been feuding obviously Laura has hated Candice especially about like Candice potentially uh I guess I don't know in some way saying Israel had some type of influence or belonging to the Charlie Kirk assassination.

It's been back and forth with these two. And then you have Marjorie Sater Green. Well, this is what MGT said on a recent show where she talks about Laura Lumer being in Trump's ear so much. And it's just weird. Listen. Or all of a two-time congressional candidate loser. She ran for Congress twice couldn't even win totally unelectable. totally untrustable, rejected by the people, rejected by MAGA.

She starts getting in the, she's talking to Trump all the time, and he's listening to her. And it was like, what is happening? Yeah. But that's one of the craziest. The Laura Lumer Donald Trump relationship is one of the most aft-up relationships. Well, people have to understand it. He loves cult-like worship. And she has made Donald Trump her God, literally.

He's the one and only in the entire universe. is Donald Trump. She doesn't even acknowledge God. She clearly doesn't believe in God unless she's saying that God hates Candice Owens, which is absolutely absurd. And so what Marjorie's Heather Green is talking about here, which I had, when I saw this, I was like, wow, that's pretty crazy. So Laura Lumer actually tagged Candace Owens and she says,

God hate you, real Candace Owens. It's why he gave Charlie to Erica and why you didn't even get to say goodbye to him. God hates you, look in the mirror and internalize how much God hates you. We all hate you. Humanity hates you. And you are irredeemable. And so obviously Marjorie Taylor Green was, you know, referencing that post. And this is a thing that now you have Laura Lumer, which is desperately trying to attack

Candace Owens in any way she can. I guess Candace just recently bought a new house. She's putting in a trust. And so now, Canada, or sorry, Laura is finding somehow she's finding everything about Candice Owens, what she's doing financially, where she's putting money, what houses she's buying, and what trust. I mean, and obviously, Candace Owens and her team are trying to figure out ways to do certain things and move in certain ways, especially as big as Candace Owens is and as hated as Candice

Owens is for the things she's saying, she's obviously going to find ways to secure what she's doing away from the public eye. And somehow Laura Lumer is finding out every single thing that Candice Owens is doing in real time. And it makes you wonder, obviously, the fact that Laura Lumer is 100% Israel first. She is not America first. And she knows that she's pushing this narrative, this driven, I guess you can say, thought process into Trump's ear, just like Mark Levin. You know, remember when Trump said, if you're not, if you don't support Mark Levin, then you're not a Republican. And you and screw you, you can get off the train now. What do you think about this feud between Laura Lumer and Candace Owens, Mays? Well, so I will say that I did watch Candace quite a bit right after the Charlie Kirk assassination, which, you know, this was kind of thrown into the whole Israel, what I would say like kind of the Israel first versus the America first kind of divide because some of the things that came out was that A, Charlie Kirk was very much against the Iran war. So last year, do you guys remember Operation Midnight Hammer?

He, where we went and we bombed some of the, which was shocking. I think that that was the very first time I had like literally said FU Trump on a post. I deleted it later. Okay. But I just, I woke up and we're seeing that, you know, they went and they bombed Iran. And it was also a secret. It was like he just kind of let everybody know, by the way, this is what we did. Everything's fine.

We're in peace now. And it was like, oh, really? But around that time, Charlie Kirk was heavily, very vocal about not going to war with Iran, how bad of an idea it is. And apparently he went and spoke with Trump. I haven't confirmed that, but I do recall hearing about that. And then also leading up to his assassination, apparently there were some disagreements with some of the Jewish donors in there. and that was made public later through Candace. And so I think that there was obviously everybody that was, you know,

the Christian Zionist, evangelical group that I think was very TPU, USA, and also the pro-Zionist and pro-Israel people, they kind of merged into one group and then everybody else, whether or not they were pro-Israel before or not, they just kind of like they, that's where another does. divide happened, you know? And so I think that the Candace Owens, Laura Lumer thing, the more recent vicious attacks are just because she hasn't really let up. I think that Candace Owens has been really pushing. I mean, there was a time she did veer. I mean, when it came to the Egyptian planes,

I was like, I don't know about all this. I didn't have bandwidth to really kind of follow all those details. I was like, I'll just kind of let her figure out some of this stuff and come back. But yeah, Laura Lumer is definitely, and you know, I'm going to say you, like I don't think, People like Laura Lumer and people like, you know, the pro-Zionist people right now in our government, they're not doing Jewish people any favors. They're not. They're not. They are, no.

And that's why I really appreciate you because you are able to say, like, despite what I am, I can side on what I think is right and I can speak out against what I think is wrong. just like me as an American. I love my country, right? But I will definitely, I feel like it's my obligation, my duty to criticize it where and to be able to help improve areas that we need to improve. But people like Laura Lumer, she just gives that, it's what everybody despises about Zionism. It's just the, just the complete entitlement, the superiority, her, you know, she's very overtly pro-Israel more than she is pro-America. and also I think that anybody that is, you know, like just, I don't know,

highlighting a lot of the very, I would say, like Israel has done some pretty egregious things when it comes to like human rights and whatever. And so, but she's like, she's all about it and she's very vocal about like, you know, flattened Gaza, flatten this, flatten that. And she calls everybody terrorists. And I think that she's, she is the extreme that people don't like. and Candace is kind of the opposite of that. And, you know, and I'm not saying that I'm an avid Candace follower.

But I do like some of her work. I think that she's interesting. She's gone against Trump recently, too. I don't know if you guys saw that. But she's like, yeah, I'm just a nobody. But you've named me about three times this past week. You're so right. It's so crazy because, honestly, we were doing podcasts.

and, you know, when all the Charlie Kirk stuff came out and when he was assassinated and Candace started coming out with all this stuff, I was like, Candace, you know, on our podcast, I'm like, if you think this happened, then show us the receipts and prove it. Because at that time, I was like, hell no, this is not what happened. There is no way. Even with the text message, Sherry was like, no, that's bullshit. Charlie Kirk never said any of those things about Israel. And then, of course.

Which came out with the receipts. I was like, you know, I had to backtrack and I had to really look deep inside and say, You know what? Are you going to follow the truth? Are you just going to go after what you stand behind because you stand behind it? Are you going to do what's right or what's wrong? And when Candace came out with those receipts, I had to back down. And I actually publicly apologized for not believing that she had the receipts. And as far as Laura Lumer, you know, she was pissed off that he did not kill an entire civilization the next morning when she woke up.

That was her post. She said, I woke up to. an entire civilization not being guilt. Yeah. And she was mad. And she was mad about it. Yeah, she was pissed. And then later in that same clip, you know, she calls all of them terrorists.

But at first you're like, well, maybe she's not calling all of them terrorists. But then she says, well, you can't trust any Muslim at all. So, like, they basically all deserve to die is essentially what she was saying. And then obviously, you recently had this IDF soldier. There was a couple of them, actually, that, you know, tore down this Jesus statue and then broke his head off. And but I, you know, even though those are those particular things, I think this is a large viewpoint on, you know, for some reason America has been supporting Israel no matter what, even including dragging us into war multiple times. Because, you know, the Iran war is not the first. The Iraq war at the very least.

And potentially even Afghanistan was because of Israel. And in my opinion, a lot of people's opinions. And I think even as a Christian, someone that believes in Jesus myself, and I've always kind of went to church. I've always, you know, and especially recently the past year or so, I've been studying the Bible extensively. And I know what the Bible actually says versus what the mainstream narrative of what they want you to believe the Bible says, which is, you know, whether it's about the Jewish chosen people or the protection of Israel and all this stuff. But if you actually read the Bible and you understand what it means, it doesn't mean that like, hey, you as Christians or you as this people, you're lesser than these people. because, you know, there's an entire reason why Jesus existed, which was to save all people, which was literally how they referred to Israel as the church, as the people, the chosen.

The only way you're getting to heaven is through Jesus, right? But for some reason, that whole narrative has been taken over. I think it's been taken over for political reasons, for the reason of taken over the Middle East by Israel. And they have to have the support of the Christian nation, which I say Christian nation. It's not really anymore. But as you were mentioned earlier, Mays, you know, it's hard to sway a Christian nation, which is what I guess, I mean, not I guess the United States was founded on. But when you open the borders up for four years and let everyone and anyone end to where it no longer is just a melting pot, you're literally starting to lose your identity as a nation. And I think they do this for a reason.

I think that this, you know, when we used to talk about George Soros, so we're all of these globalist leaders. if you look at a lot of their affiliations and who they fund and who they're associated with, well, they a lot of times are funded and associated with Israel. And most people don't even, they've never realized that. The Rothschilder's, the sorosists, the so many of the ones that show up to the World Economic Forum on their Bilderberg groups, so many of the ones that own a lot of mainstream networks, you know, all of these things that influence United States minds and also policy. These are problems. And so when people are like, well, you're always about Israel.

Well, I'm not trying to always be about Israel. But right now, Israel is putting us in a position to where not only are we, have we already lost soldiers in Iran. We've lost a ton of soldiers in Iraq. We lost a shit ton of soldiers in Afghanistan. And I'm not saying necessarily that 9-11 was Israel, but there's a lot of questions to still be asked about that. I think this is why the Republican Party is fractured right now.

And I have a tough time talking to people that even two years, ago, whereas, you know, we would have all agreed on pretty much everything two years ago. Now there is a huge fracture. We see in our podcast, our audience. We see it with people that are our friends, that we, that, you know, just literally before the election and all of that, we were all on board. And now it's just like, now we have a split and a divide and a, and a infighting in the Republican Party like we used to have with Republicans and Democrats.

But do you think all this is like an intentional thing that's happening for, for some reason? I mean, I don't know. It just seems like there's, there's no way, number one, that Trump's administration doesn't know that like, hey, the midterms are coming up and you know that this party is completely fractured unless he's being completely lied to. Like, what do you think it is? I mean, because I don't think he's that dumb or is it just everyone around him is telling him all the bullshit and then come midterms in 2008, we're going to be screwed. Well, we're definitely screwed in the midterms. I'll tell you that. But look, you know, I think a lot of the decisions, there seems to be something.

bigger going on. And I, and I'm, so this is going to be a little bit, what should I say, it might require people to step outside of the dichotomy for a second, just for a second, because I think it's very important for us to be able to really understand the depth of the problem before we ever talk about solutions. And one of which is that the, this dichotomy, the left and the right, across each administration, it's like one half of the country will be okay with treason because it's their person that's in office, right? And then the other half is kicking and screaming. Next thing you know,

we, this administration will give the next administration an assist to be able to, you know, come down with overreaching policies and, you know, the hammer comes down. And so we saw this. Now, going, I'm going to go back to Obama. Obama

allowed for this nuclear deal with Iran. You guys remember, right? They signed the nuclear deal. And then this is what allowed for the justification for what's happening now, the enrichment that they are justifying this, a war with was allowed during the Obama administration. So then after, you know, Obama, then Trump comes in and he rips it up. And then, you know, he also on the financial side, he created a new development finance arm under the Build Act for all of the redevelopment that they're going to be

planning outside after this this conflict that is going to now not only support these foreign investments but also allow it they enhanced it to give the you know equity stake kind of like shark tank where like you'd get you know this much percent equity stake for being able to develop and to get these loans now then you look at the borders right so Biden opens the borders we're flooded with all of these immigrants and kind of like the cloud piven you know you're we're watching all of our systems overwhelmed. You know, we're seeing that Palantir comes in to save the day.

Like, what? This is the surveillance state that they are building to be able to determine who is an immigrant and who is not and to be able to, you know, assist ICE. They are taking ring camera footage. And they've kind of merged that with flock. I don't know if you guys heard about that.

Every corner has cameras on it. And so now the entire United States population has somehow decided that this is the best approach and to be able to solve for that, you know, what that administration did. And, you know, so what I'm seeing is a much deeper problem here. And I think that until we're able to kind of step outside of that and look at it, we're going to always be subjected to this.

And we normalize even the craziest treasonous, traitorous type of actions that our governments have taken just by even legit. Like we debate them as if they're, even legitimate, like, we shouldn't have to debate the fact that you guys are overreaching in everything that they've done with, with like, Palantir. It's so much deeper. If people even understood, like, the different contracts and what they're allowing them to do, everybody's like, but they already have your data.

It's so much different when they aggregate it because it moves out of analytical into predictive. And then eventually it becomes prescriptive. And that's a whole other. we'll save that for the next podcast. No, absolutely. It's even like the Patriot Act when that came into play, you know, where is the point where the overreach is not, you know, sustainable or we should not allow that. Well, and it's just the same thing with like Trump is now arguing for FISA, the same exact damn thing, the policy, the same way the government said,

hey, we can, you know, warrantless searches, seizures, spying, you name it. FISA is what the Democrats used against Trump with the Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, collusion and now Trump's fighting for it. And literally in his true social post, just the other day, he says, look, I'm willing to give up my rights. What the heck? This is literally what he said. I'm willing to give up my rights for our great military.

So he's trying to connect it like with male. Hey, if you're a patriot, if you love your military and you're pro America, then you should fight for this FISA act. And it's like, it's complete asinine and absolutely ridiculous that he even post the shit that he does sometimes. And whereas like back when, you know, before. all this stuff happened. Yes, Trump posted dumb shit sometimes and he would say the craziest shit.

But now this is directly affecting us. The things that we absolutely voted against, which is when we didn't vote for Kamala, we voted for Trump because we'd never in a million years thought Trump would be saying shit like he's saying now. No, and you think about the lockdowns with COVID. That's what people

hated. And that's kind of like what's doing that would be happening. Yeah. And by the way, she had mentioned flock cameras. You know, there is a website. The have I been flocked? You guys can look it up. you can enter your license plate number in that website. And it'll tell you that if, well, supposedly it'll tell you. Yeah, because we did it and it said it hasn't.

I don't believe that. I don't believe it because even just in South Carolina here, we've got camera systems up on almost damn near every intersection. We have one coming out of our neighborhood. Yeah. And those are flock cameras. And so what those cameras are doing is they're going to, you know, say that you commit a crime or say that even you don't commit a crime.

But maybe you say something on the internet, they don't want you to say. And then they can kind of track what you're doing, where you're doing it. And as you said, predictive and then prescription, right? It's like, what is the prescription? Well, we got to figure out how to minimize or stop this person from doing it. And so what are we going to do to be able to do that? I don't think we understand. And so on Fox News, last year after October 7th, we were watching Fox News, this guy that they

always bring on Fox News, he's this Israeli ex-Massad agent, I believe. And he has this new software that's coming out. And he says, look, guys, we got this new software. We're going to roll out. We're going to get it with Trump. and he was talking about Charlie Kirk. Yeah. And he was talking about like Tyler Robinson and people like Tyler Robinson.

He said if we use this software, what we can do is that we can find people that just before they even commit crimes. Like if they start thinking the wrong way or if they're saying the wrong things and messages or anything, we're going to be able to see it before it ever happens and we can do something about it before it ever happens. So what they're saying is now all citizens, if they use this Israeli software, are going to be guilty from the very time. they wake up depending on whatever it is and then you know we already we already know that like this is not a innocent before proven guilty narrative anymore in america but now you have these software companies that are coming in and what they want to do is they want to red flag you say that you're anti-semitic because you don't agree with us going the war with israel you know that's the new definition with iran or iran iran iran iran yeah with iran this is the problems we're having and so um so i think that's a

little bit of what you're saying Mays. Did you see the veterans? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That is exactly what I'm saying. So the veterans today, I think that was might have been yesterday that were arrested. This is a huge red flag. And this is because these are people who have already served. These are our service members that went and they actually served the country. They defended the country. And they've, you know, put some skin in the game. And for them to be arrested for peacefully protesting is a huge, huge red flag. That's just showing you. Explain what you're talking. Yeah, because I don't, I didn't hear this. Yeah, explain that.

Oh, hundreds. Yeah, so this, so there was a hundred, there was a few hundred that were arrested at the capital that were protesting the Iran war. Like, I think Greg Stoker was one of the people that was heading this up, but it's all over the internet. I'm surprised you guys didn't see it on X. Matter of fact, let me see if I can find the actual post. But there, and so these people were arrested, literally taken in. and they were peacefully protesting. They weren't raising hell.

And I want to say somebody's arm was even broken as a result of it. Kind of like, so there was also a Marine not too long ago. When was it? It was, he was, he went to a hearing. He kind of, like he was a little bit more outspoken and yelling and kind of whatever. But these people were not doing anything other than just standing there. And they were peacefully protesting and they were all arrested. So, but this just goes to show that like, we can't.

trust the government right now. Like I don't trust them right now. I feel like that they're making decisions that are not in the best interest of the people. And I also think that whenever we include technology to help govern and to enforce, we are making a grave mistake because now all of this is going to be embedded in the system. When you have so many different aspects of these agencies that are connected, so you're financial, your health, you're this, you're that, like all of these, this insight about each person would,

allow for many more ways in which that they would be able to come after you that are not as overt. And I know that sounds crazy. It sounds like it's a stretch. But really think about this. They don't have to use what I say that today they would have to justify on a large scale, you know, in court. They don't have to do that anymore. They can pressure people and bring people down in less obvious ways because they have all that data that's connected, right? Amazing.

I do want to point out something too. And in a video, I'm going to play a minute. If you can find that piece or if you can't, it's fine. I do want to play something in just a second about Nick Fuentes. He explained recently about how, like, when he got debanked, I don't think we understand like how that actually went down. This is not, it's a short clip. But Sherry, we understand how that shit happens because it happened to us.

And so the reason why we started this podcast, we won't go into details, obviously, about why that happened. But we one day showed up at our bank account. Oh, it really was my bank account. Kat's name was not even on my account and he was the one being sued. Not me. Well, well, yeah. So I, you know, long story short, this was some type of crazy government, uh, conspiracy, really,

I think is what it was. And it involved Russia. It involved the United States. It involved a lot of stuff. And so we had showed up and it was a minus like millions of dollars in our bank count. We'll just say that. Yeah. I was going to say the number.

I was out there. And I was like, oh, my God. Chad, what has happened to my bank account? Yeah, minus millions of dollars. And so like my brother, for example, my brother's Marine vet guy that's been in Marines, he was in Marines, he was in operations, wars, whatever. Very patriotic guy.

But it's always interesting, like how our brother's always like, dude, you know, if you have some cash or whatever, keep cash because you just don't, you can't ever trust the system, especially nowadays. And so I wanted to play this Nick Fuentes piece only because I want people to understand like when we're talking, by the flock camera systems, what you say online, whether they label you, you know, anti-Semitic because you're disagreeing with Israel or the current policies and foreign policy

of the Trump administration, all of these things connect. And they can literally take your life away tomorrow. They have the ability to do this. And it depends on how far they keep pushing this because there are all these anti-Semitic laws that are pushing through. And if you look at these, like the most highly respected organization, that is, I can't even remember their name. Tucker actually just mentioned the other day, but their definition of anti-Semitic is far different

than saying you hate Jews. It is literally like almost all critical stances or opinions on Israel, including what they do militarily, what they do to other nations, how the U.S. is involved in this. And so if you look at the legal framework of this, what the U.S. government and other governments are trying to work into this legal framework of being a hate speech or literally felony charges to where they can take your money, take your livelihood, because you say something they don't like. We saw, we've been seeing this in the UK in Britain.

We saw this with people that spoke out against the Muslim invasion in their country with Kair Starmer, which was 100% the one that was in control of this shit. And then you think about this and you're wondering like, why would that be? And I think they wanted to make people hate Muslims. I think all of these things are puzzle pieces. So if you're talking about QAnon or the cultist or whoever, I'm not saying, I don't believe a lot of the 5D chess shit. But I do believe there are people out there playing 5D chess.

I just don't believe it's our people, if that makes sense, Maze. But before you play Fuentes' piece, we have to understand that he does kind of go over the line. For sure. And he has called out and said, I hate Jews. And even Pierce Morgan brought him on the show and, you know, asked him about it. Yeah. Maze, did you have the thing that you wanted to, before I played this? I didn't want to leave you hanging.

Yeah, I actually am sending it. I'm DMMing it to you now. Here it is. There you are. Okay, so. Okay, so that's the post explaining that. But also, I mean, just taking it out of McQuintas, like Dustin Stockton, these are my friends that were J-Sixers that they completely

debanked many of them to where they couldn't even really live. Like, they were like, you know, you don't really understand. how much that would affect you unless you're living it. Just imagine everything that you do on a daily basis. We underestimate the need for banking or to be able to be a part of like the systems that are in place that make life easier for people. Just being completely cast out is very difficult. I mean, just it makes life, which is already difficult, like a lot more difficult.

And so it was, you know, that's just another example of how this could be used against us. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I don't know if you got the... I did, yeah. And it says... Yeah. So this post says about 120 U.S. military veterans were arrested inside the Cannon House

office building today, protests and Trump's war on Iran. I'm sorry. Some were on crutches. Some were in wheelchairs. Some carried burial flags of fallen soldiers. And they are members of about-face veterans who know what war cost because they have already paid for that once. Capital Police handcuffed disabled veterans and dragged them out of the rotunda.

53% of Americans vote voters opposed the war, 74% opposed ground troops and 61% disapproved of Trump's handling of it. And it just goes on to say the people who fought America's last wars are now being arrested. We're trying to stop the next one. And what it kind of ends with is never stop connecting the dots. And I will be honest to this post, you know, we have a lot of veteran that we talk to and know very closely. We've had a lot of colonels and whoever on the show. And most of them are low.

looking back now. Like we've set down with a lot of, you know, guys and, and they look back at, they've been in Afghanistan multiple times. They've been in Iraq. They've been everywhere. They've lost their friends. They're the people that they, uh, trained with for years. They've lost all these people. And now they're starting to see everything unfold in, in, and looking at it in hindsight. They're like, you know, I signed up to fight for my country. But now I'm starting to realize that maybe it wasn't us fighting for our country, you know, like, and I think that's what a lot of people are seeing. obviously we need a military we desperately need a military a patriotic force that protects our country

but you know you're going to have problems when these people these these 18 19 20 year olds no longer feel like that they're signing up to fight for their country yeah when they're fighting for other countries they don't want to do it yeah and and i think i think that's a scary thing um but anyway so what i did want to play was nick fontez's piece and this is it it it really connects a lot of dots with everything we've been talking about, flock cameras, you know, how quick the government, if they want you to cease to exist, if you have a voice, if you have a platform, they can do it. And regardless of whether you agree or disagree with Nick Fuentes, Nick Fuentes has not been the

only guy that has been debanked or de-platform. Remember, back in COVID during the trucker rally in Canada, where a lot of these guys felt like they were protected because they were like, hey, you know what, I got crypto, I got it in all these wallets. and then the Canadian government, Justin Trudeau, came along and said, hey, let's find all of their crypto accounts. And they got these Coinbase and other companies to basically block them from any monetary funding whatsoever. So it's that quick. And I think Nick Fuentes does a great job explaining this.

We'll touch on this on the backside of this. Listen. And before I started up to go to bed, I checked my email. And I saw my email that my credit card had been declined for, some subscription and I said, well, that's weird. I don't think I'm over my limit on my credit card, as far as I know, it's a good credit card. And so I go to my online banking app and I see that on my checking account, it was $0.00. And understand, I had something like a half million dollars in that checking account just the other day. And so at first, I assumed, I thought, this is a glitch,

you know, so I refresh the app and nothing changes. I close the app, I reopen it. Nothing happened. And upon further investigation, I saw there was a legal order placed. my account. I went through my transaction history and I saw legal order and subtracted my entire bank balance. Froze both my credit cards and my entire checking account was frozen, which is where nearly all of my cash was. I called customer service at the bank. I said, where's my money? What's going on? They said, well, we'll get to the bottom of this. They called their legal department. They call me back a few minutes later and they tell me, your account is under review and we could give you no other information. And I was furious. I said, are you kidding me? I had all this

money one day and now it's gone. When's it going to be released? Who's doing this? Why is this happening? And they just kept saying the same thing. All we could tell you is your account is under review. And so I called the bank every single day for two weeks, multiple times every day for two weeks. And finally, after about, I think it must have been 15 or 16 days, she calls me back. And she says, Mr. Fuentes, I have some good news for you. We have an update on your account. In order to get in touch with the people that have placed a legal order on your account, you can call these numbers. And she gives me three phone numbers. for U.S. attorneys working for the Department of Justice.

And so at that point, I know this is an FBI investigation. At that point, I know this is the Department of Justice, which is placed to freeze on all my cash and my bank account. And the reason why this is so crushing is because the Department of Justice and the FBI are immovable. Because of the War on Terror, because of the Patriot Act, because of how the federal government operates, they really can do whatever they want to whoever they want. and there's nothing you can do about it.

And so I talked to my lawyer, I asked him, can I get my money back? Is there anything I could do? Do they have to release it? Which are the obvious questions that anyone would ask. And the response is basically, they can take your money, they don't need a reason, and they can keep it as long as they want, and they don't have to give it back. And this is how the federal government works. A lot of people assume that because this is America, not Russia or China, that there must be something that can be done.

You must be able to sue. You must be able to file something and pursue some kind of recourse. But sadly, that's not the case. If you find yourself the subject of an FBI investigation, if you find yourself a target of the federal government, there's really nothing more that you can do. It's as inevitable as death or gravity. The federal government is going to do what it's going to do. And you're just along for the ride.

All of that concentrated power that's been built up in Washington, D.C., is being rotated and turned inwardly. And the kind of shock and awe that we saw in 2003 or 2001, Patriot Acts, panopticon, surveillance date, that's now being wielded by politicians, bureaucrats, connected, wealthy, elite people. And they can now wield that and utilize that against people with American citizenship. People that have done nothing wrong are not criminals, are not a threat to society, but people that are merely an inconvenience or a problem to powerful people. And so at that point, that's the total end of a free society. There is Nick Pentes.

What do you think about that, M.A. Is that surprised you? Well, so no, it doesn't surprise me, but what I want to highlight is this, right? Like this conflict and this whole, like, Israel outrage that people are having, they're using this as an excuse to build the infrastructure to do this and weaponize it against us. Should it be any political issue in the future? like Israel removed from the equation, anything that's deemed as anti-American.

And so you can only imagine, depending on who's at the helm of it and who's holding the reins, what would be deemed anti-American. So if you guys aren't aware of Project Esther, Project Esther was something that was launched by the Heritage Foundation, which now is, it's got a whole task force that is technologically being built into the system to be able to determine and to scrape social media

sites to see who is anti-Semitic or who's supporting the pro-Hamas network and whatever, which these are categories that they created intentionally to categorize people. And then when you go and you like do a little bit more research and expound upon it, you can see that they have, you know, things that like for instance that I think is completely going to be weaponized against us later is being able to determine what is now anti-American. So any criticism of Israel currently again with Israel in the equation, this is going to be implemented systemically. And then let's just say Israel's removed from the equation, like in terms of the actual issue, they could deem anything to be anti-American.

Whatever it is like you say against whatever, you know, political office or an administration that's in could be deemed that way. And I think that that is what people are missing. They're so caught up in the emotional reactiveness of, of everyone. everything that's happening now that they're not seeing in the future that this could be used against us in any political spectrum. So, yeah, I think that this is a huge concern. And this is so what Donald Trump, remember the guy that was like, oh, I'm going to write,

you know, executive orders to prevent CBDCs. Well, what he's doing and what the problem we have with CBDCs is the fact that they're, they're capable of through the tokenization, they're capable of being able to progencies. your use of money. This is the exact same case when it comes to stable coins. So with the Genius Act and the Clarity Act and what he's doing with World Liberty Financial and a lot of the deals that have been made, I don't know if you guys are aware of this, but they are going to have everything tokenized.

I think it's, we were counting down from the 52 weeks. So now I think it's the 43 weeks. In 43 weeks, they're going to have everything tokenized. which means that they can begin to now fractionalize your ownership of things. And once everything's in the system like this, guys, I think that we have a lot of, we're so distracted, we're not even putting in the safeguards that we need as we're advancing into this technological era. We are on that nexus between the paradigm shifts, but we're not adamantly insisting

and demanding that our safeguards be put in place. And so I think that what happened in next, Nick is definitely a wake-up call. Yeah. And by the way, for people that don't know what she's talking about, Central Bank Digital Currency's, CBDCs, and we've talked about it often on the show, especially with, like, if you want to talk about end times or whatever,

you know, I have a pre-preterist view of the Bible, Old Testament, as far as the end times goes. I do think there are certain things that the Bible predicts that necessarily either haven't happened or this kind of vision for, you know, if you're a Jesus believer, you know, I think regardless of whether you believe that a lot of the things in the Bible were spoken about as far as the end times goes, as far as the nations surrounding Israel and all of those things. I think a lot of that stuff has happened with Rome and Israel,

the temple destruction, the second temple, although I do know Israel wants to rebuild the third, but then you think about also the one world currency, the one world government, and these kind of concepts. And so when you think about the CBDC, Central Bank digital currency, where they want to basically put everybody on this system. And as Mays, what you're referring to is, and if you want to elaborate a little more, what are you specifically talking about as far as tokenization? So the way that we react or interact with our banking system now, how does that kind of, how does it reflect with CBDCs?

Are we not necessarily seeing CBDCs or a one-world currency in maybe the, maybe we're trying to see it in a literal term, but maybe it's happening without us realizing it? what you're saying? Well, I think it's much more of the unified ledger that is the problem. So, like, being able to have interoperable currencies through tokenization that is able to all be tracked and traced and the use of the money. For instance, let's just say you have this unified ledger that's fed all of this real-time data. So, like, let's just use a car, for example, okay, like when your car reaches this much mileage, which is fed in, like as you're driving, then boom, it kind of executes, you know, certain contracts that would deem it to be a different

value. Like all of these things, which now are handled currently with little middlemen in between, all of that in the sake of efficiency is going to be completely automated. And so what they would be able to do is instead of like, let's just say there's a process in which you're flagged for something, that you would be able to go and, I don't know, appeal or deal with, you know, people, real people. A lot of this stuff is going to be baked in systemically. So now they're allowing your use. We use currency, obviously, to be able to purchase things that help us to survive and to live and to keep, you know, food on the table and heat in the home.

All of these things are now going to be tokenized. And so, like, for instance, the geolocation in which you can use, money. Let's just say there's lockdowns or they have the 15 minute cities in which, you know, your use of money would be able to work within that, that geo code. A lot of this stuff, like your dietary preferences would affect your insurance prices, like immediately because it's all in the same unified ledger. They're able to see, well, this person just went to Dunkin' Donuts and, you know, look at like they obviously have heart problems. So like, you know, so it's kind of like being able to apply

you know, the restrictions, the punishment and the rewards immediately, you know, with when it comes to money. And then like even, even who you voted for, who you voted for. Oh, you voted for this person? Okay. Well, that's fine. You can vote for that person. But we're going to restrict you because of that. Yeah.

And I think that even like listening to like the, what's so interesting is that three, four years ago, one of my, my main area of research was the World Economic Forum, the Great Reset. When I first heard about that, and I went and I looked it up. And the first slogan that I saw was, you will own nothing and be happy. And I spent three years, okay, trying to understand whether or not they meant it. And what I kept, I mean, it was like as I just kept going further and further down the rabbit hole to really fathom and understand how highly organized and how all of these projects right now that are in motion, We're in the implementation phase of the 2030 milestones, right? And there's also various stages of planning for the goals beyond.

But all of this and carbon allowances, like people are not understanding. Like so Trump, by the way, last April on Earth Day, he, the White House published a article. And in this article, it talked about how, you know, we pulled out of the Paris Accords. And so everybody was really happy about that. like, oh, okay, yes, we're going to, you know, this is the climate hoax. Well, it turns out that what he's saying is that we're going to have science-backed type of climate action. And so they're in the big, beautiful bill, using the Q45 credits.

Like, these are credits that are funding a lot of these climate objectives, which, so these credits are going to be giving, so they're building these carbon pipelines, right? They're called carbon capture across the United States. and there are going to be injecting carbon and then transporting them into these underground storages. Now, just to highlight how this ties in, is that when you have these credit allowances, let's just say they brought it down to our footprint, right? And if you were to exceed, let's just say the amount, you wanted to go travel somewhere and you didn't have enough carbon allowances, you would be able to purchase or buy them or borrow them.

And so now this is all getting baked in to our mobility, our free. our freedom. I mean, all of it is, is, you know, tied to this. So the reason why CBDCs were such a huge deal for the freedom people, like the people that were very outspoken, back then, everybody was like, oh my God, you're such a conspiracy there is. There's no way that they would be able to make you own nothing and be happy. What we're seeing is that through a gradual progression of an affordability crisis, through what is now being exasperated by this war and by the tariffs. Did you guys like the whole tariff thing? I realize pretty quickly how people are just very unaware of how tariffs work.

Okay. It is it is the American importers, okay? The American firms that are paying the tariffs, not China. So like whenever you're hearing people like arguing about this, they're like, well, China needs to pay. Well, China's not paying, okay? It is the importers who are paying for it. And then they bake it into the price.

So it's a consumer tax. This is another way that the consumers are having inflated prices. And we see that. And we see it at the grocery store. We see it everywhere. So we know that what you're saying is the truth. You know, we see it as the buyer. Yeah.

And by the way, Mays to that point, I had this disagreement with someone on our telegram the other night. And, you know, he was like, these tariffs are great. They're amazing. Trump's doing a great job. And I'm like, have you talked to anyone especially like I know like anyone that makes like an okay amount of money? This year actually tax wise has been worse. And if you're in a business in the United States to where you have or require import,

which is a lot of businesses, I would say probably 80% of businesses in some way, shape, or form are affected by tariffs. It has been disastrous this year, both on taxes. And they always want to bring up, well, Trump implemented no tax on tips and no tax on overtime. And that's great. Yeah, that's great. I'm like, but what you don't understand is, like, the tariffs and what you're actually

paying over, you know, it's going to negate that. And, and I think the bigger point, maze, is kind of what I was, what I was wanting to say is, like, we've always said, like, two birds or two feather, two wings of the same bird, right? And it's like, although we have Trump in, this system, the agenda 2030, the, which we talked about a million times on this show, and what the world economic forum is, has been planning. Yeah, and we blame it on Biden. And we need to eat bugs and be happy to. Yeah, well, we blamed it on Biden.

But it sounds like that now we have in, I would think most people agreed. If you look at the 2024 election results, most people believed both some of a large part of Democrats, independents, and Republicans that Trump was going to be the one that turned this around. He was going to completely stop the globalization and the world economic forum from controlling the United States of America. one of the last only sovereign what we believe sovereign nations in the world. Well, I think Russia is actually.

If you look at Putin, he does not agree with any of that stuff and he's against it. And here we are going further and further or closer and closer to this. Yeah. Maze, is that kind of what you're saying? I mean, I think what we're seeing is the same system that is not being stopped. There has been no barriers placed. If anything, in my opinion, I think with the Trump administration, it's been advanced. Correct.

And rebranded. He's rebranded effectively a lot of the things that are still aligning to those sustainable development goals and the New World Order and all of that. I mean, like, I know that's a buzzword that people turn away from, but that really is what it is. They've taken these very global type of issues and they've weaponized them. They've created a fiscal space, right? So, like, if there's an emergency, then now there's a new fiscal space.

that's created within each country to now begin extracting money and then putting it towards these objectives. And so these organizations at the global level are coming up and they're meeting at the World Economic Forum, which by the way is just the, it's the promoter of the public-private partnerships. So they bring together all the big tech, big corp, big pharma, all of them. And then they bring legislators from each of the countries up there to the World Economic Forum. They write the policy papers there, the white papers, and then they pass them on to the prominent, and then they're basically designing national strategies that align to the global strategies. And so within that, they have the narratives, right? We have the left and the right,

and even though it seems like we have all these issues that are being solved, none of the ones that really matter are ever affected. And we're seeing that across each administration. It doesn't matter who's in office. These things are not being addressed. They're still advancing. And with Trump, it was rebranded as the America first way. This is the science-backed way to deal with carbon. But really, whenever they turn the levers at the global level to say that now the allowances need to be this much, we would still be adhering to that, right?

That is something that a lot of people aren't understanding. And this is where the left and the right, I don't care what side of the aisle you're on, we should begin coming together to be able to push back. It's the numbers that matter right now. And we have to get out of the loops that we've been a part of in the political dialogue because that's just, that's what's allowing them to pursue this and to continue. They're exploiting our inability to really understand that we're not effective in our political dialogue at all. We're just fighting over issues.

We're just kind of using the same talking points that they give us. And we're just playing ping pong with them instead of actually coming together, leveraging the platforms that we have and identifying pressure points and then collaborating together to apply pressure at the same time. If we were to be able to get that together. Yeah. Yeah, we would be able to really affect change. And right now is the most critical point because this is where a lot of this,

once it gets firmed up and automated and the infrastructure is in place, it's very difficult to moonwalk, right? It's very difficult to undo. Yes, it's almost kind of like where Iran or one of these countries where it's like, yeah, I mean, look, I'm not defending Iran or whatever. I don't know a whole lot about their system, their government. I'm an American. So I'm not defending Iran.

What I'm saying is like we're kind of on the last fight, you know, it feels like we're in and yet here we are. here we are arguing with each other over stupid bullshit again elites that are in power in controlling us yes exactly and and exactly by the way maize i think that you absolutely sum that up perfectly which is why i wanted to bring you on the show because i think you do a great job of that um and and even with that i want to i want to one of the last points i want to touch on because i think this kind of plays into all of this is like how alice jones for example Alex Jones has been an adamant supporter of Trump.

And, you know, he has been one of the ones, you know, alongside Tucker, alongside all of these others, that have ensured Trump getting into office, I believe. You know, the same people that Trump's calling out and saying their third-rate podcasters. Yeah, and they're nut jobs. These are the people that were directly responsible in large part, including Joe Rogan, including Tucker, including Theo Vaughn even when he interviewed him. I mean, these are people that were directly responsible for the mass overwhelming success of your campaign and election in 2024. And yet now he's turning his back on all of these people because these people are the ones that were thinking that, hey, Trump's going to be this guy. And then we all see that, hey, they're not the guy. And just like you just said, you know, with Tucker, for example, you know, he's someone that is coming out hard against us.

And Tucker was one of the ones in the past that said, look, I was one of the ones on CNN that was agreeing to this Iraq war. because that was what I was being pushed and told to do. And then Trump went to, or not Trump, but Tucker went to Fox. And very similar things happened there. You know, when he was calling out the election fraud and all this shit, which I think there's a lot of connected there, you know, part of, I think the lawsuit, $700 million lawsuit from Dominion was partly because they wanted, you know, they say, hey, not only are you going to pay a $700 million, you're getting rid of Tucker.

Yeah, you got to get rid of Tucker. And then so Tucker, even after that, supported Trump did all this. and now they're trying to say he's a neo-Nazi, he's anti-Semitic, the same thing they're saying about Candace and basically anyone. And so Alex Jones was someone that over even Candice or Tucker or any of these people, he continued support for Trump. He continued support because he believed he was one of these guys that felt like, hey, I think Trump's doing some things in the background, kind of what you were saying, 5D chess, whatever. And he had said that. And I'd actually called out Alex, you know, six, seven months ago. I would say something on this,

on this post. And some of my, some of my comments back would get thousands of likes or whatever. And, but then he started to shift. And he started to shift because he couldn't deny it anymore. It felt like, like with what was going on with the Iran war, the influence the Israel had, all the shit.

Larry Ellison, you name it, he could not no longer keep going because I think his audience was, you know, his audience wasn't going to let him do this. So, obviously, in recent post from Donald Trump,

on True Social where he calls out Canis Owens and I mean he he's continually called up Marjorie at Green Thomas Massey but in particular he called out Alex Jones canis Owens Tucker Carlson called them all crazy lunatic Meg Ryan Meg yeah yeah what's your name Megan Kelly yeah Megan Kelly Oh yeah yeah so he called all these people and called him crazy lunatic nut jobs and they're all third rate podcast and all this stuff so maize do you remember when so so obviously Alex Jones got sued by the Sandy Hook family members where it was worth like what a billion plus dollars was a lawsuit and I think Alex Jones even said back then he said look it wasn't even let they didn't even let me fight this they basically ruled in essentially kind of how

lawsuits were because they say well you know we're going to just give a judgment on you regardless because you didn't supply us with something that we wanted so they ruled a judgment in favor of the plaintiffs, which led to a plus $1 billion settlement. And so Alex Jones has been fighting this for a very long time. Then it comes along, the Onion, which is a very NGO, is basically NGO-funded news organization and specifically on the left. But the onion was going to take over Info Wars. And so there for a while when leading up to Trump getting in and then after Trump got in,

Trump was fighting for Alex for a little bit because I think that. That's the only reason the onion, which is a satirical bullshit news organization that is mostly funded by the left and they're funded by NGOs like people like Soros and whoever. They stop that in court. Well, then recently, this is what Alex Jones said. This is a short clip, but we'll react to this in just a moment. But it sounds like the DOJ and Trump are now siding with the onion and want to take out Alex Jones once and for all. Listen. So it's Monday evening, and in the last few hours, I saw headlines everywhere, trending top of X, that, well, the onion is to take over InfoWars again and make it a satirical website.

They've won it. They own it. A year and a half ago, they announced they owned it. Remember, it was a fraud. There had been no bankruptcy auction. It was all lie. This time, there's not even been a court hearing. But back by Bloomberg and the Democrats, Ben Collins, the former MSNBC censorship, are has just announced that they're moving in May 1st. And it's all through a Texas state judge

that ran the show trial a few years ago against me with HBO fully produced show trial that she's just saying it's yours, even though it's still on appeal. And legally, you can't do that. I notice the receiver that she appointed won't pay the electric bill and won't pay any of the bills, even though he gets the money, there's plenty of money to pay the bills. So they're already like suffocating us. And you see the headline on action of every. else that, yep, it's theirs. So there's any justice that they're going to get in big trouble for this. We're going to file a whole bunch of actions against it.

It's just absolutely outrageous that in the year, 2026, this type of crap goes on. But President Trump, through Todd Blanche, the Democrat Party lawyer, deputy of the AG then, now that DOJ had killed Ed Martin's investigation into their operations, their fake auctions, the DOJ funding the fake lawsuits against me they have all the documents. They killed that six months ago. I didn't blame Trump for that, but I do now blame Trump for coming out and openly endorsing their lawsuits and saying, I deserve it, when it was the very same law firms that suit him, Paul Weiss, that are running all of this.

That's a representative the onion turts. So Trump is now openly joined forces with the Democrat party to shut down info wars. And it's just beyond disgusting. Absolutely blows me away. but I hope Grock can get it right. I hope everybody reading at the top of X with tens of thousands of posts can understand that when you go watch Ben Collins, the podcast of you today, he goes, I own the studios, we're in control now. Well, they have a hearing about it on the 30th, and we'll be challenging that. They're not even allowed to do that because it's still an appeal.

They'll have massive damages against them if it gets overturned, which it will. Supreme Court's already signaled with that in Texas, but they don't care, folks. This is the insanity of these people. But regardless, they tried to take my Real O'Ox Jones handle on X. Remember, Elon had to come in and block that because X wouldn't be safe if he didn't. So we'll be able to follow us there at Relox Jones on X and at A.J.N. Live and on Rumble, the Alex Jones show. You'll talk about the new website, the new sites, all of us.

As far as I'm concerned, the authority probably is our last day. We'll continue to fight these people. But they also say they're misrepresent and say they're me. They put all these videos with a guy talking like me in the shadows, putting out disinformation. And they say, we're going to lie like Alex Jones does for money. So they're going to put out this information and say, I'm doing it to confuse the brand and try to ruin what we've done. It's not going to work. It's going to backfire, you little snotnose rats.

You'll see because good does exist and the end evil fails. God bless you all. But the next nine days until the 30th, you can still catch me in my daily show right here on Exitrollogs Jones and thenfort. com, forthslash, show. Ready they go. That was Alex. So it sounds like that Donald Trump is now openly supporting the onion takeover of Alex Jones. and even the onion newspaper, if I remember correctly,

they now have, you know, their main header image is the onion. But then to the right of it, it says InfoWars on the right. They've already put it up on their website. Like they own it now. They're good, even though there's a pills coming. But now it's either Trump is actively supporting it through the DOJ, which we got to remember, you know, when this, none of this stuff with Alex Jones happened 100% until Alex Jones started coming out against the Iran war and trying to say, hey, look, the influence of Israel is,

is overtaking this administration. We got to do something about this. He openly criticized Trump. And now this is the result. Mayes, what do you think about this? I mean, this is, I think, power at mass scale. I think this is what most people to understand is like you can have, we supposedly have free speech, but we only have free speech. It's kind of like, Elon said, like, well, you have freedom of speech, but you don't have freedom of reach.

Because X can still limit your reach and they have ours for sure. What is your thought on Alex Jones potentially being done, at least from InfoWars perspective, on the end of this month, May 1st? Yeah, that's wild. That's the first time I actually heard that the whole onion situation. I didn't even know that that happened. I do remember the post, the truth social post where he was calling. Alex Jones out and basically said what he did

with the Sandy Hook was horrible and all this. And I just remember thinking like all of these people were right or die for Trump at one time. And when Trump abandoned MAGA, okay, I guess the cause, like what the epitome of it means,

you know, the people who were not excuse seekers, but more truth seekers, turned up to be on his hit list. You know, like, and that's one of the things that, you know, it's pretty clear now that he is telling people to go follow Mark Levin, right? Like, what? He's, like, there's, like, it's just, it's absurd. It's so inverted. Like, I don't know how else to really describe it. Everything that the Republican and the Conservative Party was at one point is now

extremely inverted. I think people are confused. And I would say that just, you know, having agency in your perception. And this is one thing that was very helpful for me. So I'm just going to offer it is that there's a point in which they have weaponized social behavioral sciences and psychology against the people in these think tanks. They know that when we get into these tribes and we become very tribal that the group think overrides individual agency. When you recognize that and you can step outside of that. And then we would be less vulnerable and impacted by what they're doing. And we would be able to connect and to collaborate to, you know, be able to protect our freedoms.

Otherwise, we will be so busy fighting each other with everything that they tell us to fight about as they take our freedoms away. And yeah, this is one of those things where the freedom of speech is definitely one of the things that are, this is what's being. threatened. And this affects all Americans. Left, right. I mean, it doesn't matter. And I think that we have to start being more active about that. And I agree with you because we used to be on the other end when we were totally censored. But now that Republicans are in office. We're actually more central to the thing. Well, I think we are. But we also have to remember our own president was censored.

He was kicked off of X. He was kicked off of any social platform there was as in a sitting president. And now it seems like if people don't agree with him, he doesn't care about what happened to him when he was a president. Yeah, but I think it's also too, in this opinion, think about it. If you were demonized and outcasted and blocked and banned and everything and also potentially assassinated and you name it. And then they also, and I say they, we don't exactly know who they are, but I think it's all part of the same system. they not only attempt to assassinate the president or the upcoming president of the United States, they do assassinate one of your greatest leaders of this party, which is Charlie Kirk. And they made all these statements to the point where then if you get in office, they're like,

okay, look, we allowed you in office. So now you're either going to do what we do, we'll make you Lord, we'll make you Lord and King and God. But if you step outside these boundaries, it's going to be the same shit you used to face. Like, would that not make you kind of like go along with the, I mean, wouldn't make me. I would fight it until the death. Well, it's interesting. Mays, I think, has a different perspective. I don't think she thinks his arms are tied or his hands are tied or whatever. I think that she thinks he knowingly went into this thing with wide open eyes. Yeah, Mays, what is your opinion on that? I do. Listen,

this man is being rewarded and incentivized more than he would be punished to like, you know, if he didn't go along with it. He's doing like the whole Gaza peace plan, Board of Peace, he is, first of all, since he's been in office, I think he's up to his net worth

$2 to $4 billion. I think it's kind of just floating because it goes up and down. But what the Board of Peace is essentially going to do with the master plan and how they plan to rebuild that whole area,

which is going to be one of the major trade points, trade routes. And he's very well positioned for his empire to, you know, never have to worry about, I mean, that's it. Like, he's, he's, he's going to see more money than most people will ever see in their lifetime.

And I think that he's very well aware of that. And I, you know, there's a side of me that feels like, yeah, this might hurt his ego a little bit to know that he's losing people. But at the same time, I think that the incentives for him are far greater. And I also think that when you begin to look into Jared Kushner and, and understand, his ties to, you know, the very right Lekud party. And, and again, guys, like, I, I think it's just important to understand that this is just a, it's, it's a current boiling point. But what's being put into place, and I think that he understands this, I mean, there might be the technological

pieces that he might not really understand fully and deeply and how this is going to handcuff America forever. Maybe there's that, but I don't think that he is being blackmailed or, I don't know, like screaming uncle by any means to do what he's doing. Yeah, I think he's more incentivized than anything. Yeah. And then did you guys hear about the whole IRS thing? I thought this was really interesting and funny, but this is going to show, like, I think this makes my case is that he is very willing to benefit and to enrich himself using taxpaying dollars and not even think twice about it. So he's suing the IRS for $10 billion. Okay.

What's interesting is that Trump, the citizen, is suing the IRS and the Treasury. Now, Trump, the president, oversees those two agencies. And what he said in a recent interview was that, yeah, he's going to have to settle with himself. So in typical lawsuits like this, he would have to prove that, A, that this hurt his reputation, and B, that he was suffered that much money to $10 billion. Well, in a case where you settle, you don't necessarily have to prove those things. And this is the Trump, the president, and the administration settling with Trump the citizen on a $10 billion lawsuit that is being paid by the tax taxpayer money. You know? Yeah, that's nuts. I mean, it's wild.

Yeah, it's, I mean, it's crazy maze, like how this whole thing is. And I hope, I genuinely hope. And that's why I asked you earlier, I was like, have you had backlash on, on some of your takes or whatever? But we definitely have. I just don't think people's eyes are as wide open as they think. I think they think their eyes are open. But until you really see the true picture of what's going on, because I really, I guess to this point, I'm not, I was not on the stance where I felt like he was. wide open and knew everything that's going on.

But after talking to Mays, I'm starting to realize, you know, he is a smart guy. He's not stupid. He knows what he's doing. And for him to be strongheld by anyone is just crazy and Athenon. Yeah. I think it's potentially part of whatever plan they maybe had. And I don't know. I mean, I think at the very least they're using him as a very big tool, you know, in this whole plan.

And I think they do it in mass. You know, we can't say the like. When you say they, I think we're talking about the people within the globalist power. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, for sure. And I think when you talk about World Economic Forum and all this stuff, I think Israel is a huge, I guess, chess piece with that for sure. I mean, I'm not saying I'm not one of those guys necessarily just going to say Israel controls the world.

But what I am saying is they do have a huge part in what's going on geopolitically right now. And even like this energy shock, yeah, I think you had mentioned some about the earlier maze, but, you know, with the Strait of Hermuz, which was supposedly wide open again, and it's not been wide open. It was one day and now it's completely closed again. If you look at the ship tracker, those ships are still not leaving port. There are airlines that are canceling flights are now in the United States. We're going to see this massive energy shock over the next six to eight months. And unless the United States does something drastically to over. open that straight.

As we were talking about earlier, like, you know, when you look at Gaza. He's playing chess right now with them being in the straight of a moose? No, I think, well, this is my opinion. Maze, you can correct me if you think I'm wrong. But I think that this whole war, even if you go back to the article from the Washington Post, where the reporter was inside of the meetings. And that report was able to be written. It was able to go out.

Now, even Benny Johnson, like one of the biggest Trump supporter conservative influencers out there reported on it and said, you know, Bibi Netanyahu should never be allowed back in the White House because they even said, you know, all of Trump's team, the CIA Ratcliffe, Rubio, all of these guys, General Raisin Cain, they all said that what Bibi Nanyahu was proposing about this Iran war before it ever happened was complete bullshit. And like, you should not listen to these guys. They're trying to lie to you. we know they are, and yet Trump still decided to attack. So that means that against everybody that was around him, and whether you like or hate Markerubio, by the way, Markerubia is to hate Trump. I mean, I think we remember that. I think they all did.

Yeah, they all did. Like most of the people around him hate him. Lindsey Graham. Lindsay Graham was a never Trumper. He hated Trump. And yet all of the people that Trump is putting around him that he's now telling you. Yeah. And Vance and 11 at times talk shit about Trump.

And that's the thing is like all these people that used to hate Trump are the ones that he's saying if you don't support, then you're not MAGA. All the people that did support Trump, he's saying that you must hate now. But Mays, what do you think as far as what Trump is doing in the straight? Do you think it's working or not? No. Well, I'll just say this. I, okay, this is like a, this is a bigger picture. So if you guys look at what the Chinese, China is doing with the Bell and Road Initiative,

and the Silk Road, they are by far going to have a monopoly on trade sooner than later. As they continue, I think it's over. They're advancing and expanding their geopolitical influence significantly. 150 different countries is going to be a part of it. And I think 80 of them already, if not, a little bit more, I think might be 82 now, are already, you know, building out the infrastructure for the Belt and Road initiative. So the only way that America is going to have equity stake in any type of counter to the Bell and Road Initiative is through Israel. That's why there's so much investment and it's a blind allegiance to Israel because what they're doing with the IMAC.

The IMAC is what you saw Netanyahu back in the G20. He held up a map that showed what the new Middle East is going to look like. by the way, if you start searching for the new Middle East, you're going to see so much around it. And the new Middle East is basically designing this new trade route that's going to extend connectivity from India all the way through Saudi Arabia and going around going through Israel,

North Gaza specifically, right where they're going to be building out the whole Riviera, whatever you want to call that, in North Gaza, which is also why they're doing what they're doing with Lebanon. They're trying to push Lebanon back a little bit, Hezbollah, so that there's less conflict in that zone because they want to build out the IMEC, which is going to then from there go straight over to Greece, right? And that connects to Europe. And so this is the only thing that is going to counter China's advantage in trade. And everything has to do with trade. I even think Venezuela, like with the Arctic melting, not Venezuela, what do you call it, Greenland.

There seems to be, you know, in addition to the minerals or whatever, but there's also going to be a lot that has to do with trade and the Arctic routes. And I think that this is what he's trying to do right now is to weaken the Gulf energy production and strengthen Americas, which again, I want to remind people, when we separate what the empire is from the Americans, you'll see that this is advancing the empire. but it's at the expense of the Americans. Like we're going to be paying the inflated prices. A lot of the people that were enjoying the middle class are going to be kind of pushed into the lower class. And then the ones that were the low-income earners are going to literally be dangling off the cliff.

And then they're going to be the ones that are positioned to opt into this bigger digital system. So I think that this has to do with trade. I think that the United States is going to always hold on to Israel. Unfortunately, despite the way that they're going, going about it, I think is horrible. I think that we could have had much more collaboration and coordination, but there's a dominance factor here that, you know, they want to protect hegemony. I think they're going to use the AI stacks as a way to be able to protect the dollar with,

you know, the Genius Act and all of that. There's just a lot of overlap in these different agendas, but trade specifically is what's happening with the Strait of Hormuz. I think that they want to take over that choke point. And I don't, I don't. don't think they're being transparent about it because it's obviously a reactive measure. Iran closed it after they were attacked during negotiations. And now the United States is making it seem like this is all about the straight. And so what they're going to try to do is that not like even with the latest with the whole naval blockade.

Well, when you look into it, what they're saying is that they just want to take over the border of where Iran has any control over being able to close it or shut it. Like so I think that they're going to try to create a permanent presence there. And I think that they are going to try to take over. And I think that that's, that's, I don't know, this is just kind of my speculation. As of now, which shifts. No, I agree. And that's why I wanted to bring you on Mays because I think you have a great insight into so much shit.

And I, I've, you know, I've listened to you on Space Host. And there's a reason why, by the way, everybody, that Mays is a great host on spaces. There's so many people that don't know even what space host or spaces are on X. Yeah, I mean, and it's basically a place where a shit ton of people show up and there are people that talk and they suss out all these things that we're all talking about here on the show. And, and Maze, I've always respected your opinion. I've always thought, like I said, that you were very smart and intuitive on those things.

And that's why we wanted to bring you on. Mage, can you tell everybody before we go? Because I mean, we've said an hour and 45 now. Yeah, we have kept you a long time. time and thank you. Can you tell everybody where they can follow you, how they can interact and what your spaces are? And I think people should go and check out your spaces. I think they're a great way to interact.

And listen, by the way, if you are someone that wants to speak on spaces, you have something to say, you can request to speak, whether you get that opportunity or not. I mean, that was kind of how we both started May, so as far as on X goes. But tell everybody where they can follow you. Yeah, my handle is at May's Love 14 on X. That's usually the, I can't really split myself up. I mean, I do have an IG, but I don't really use it as much. It's really, that's where my presence is. And then every Monday at 6 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, I have a space,

it's a recurring space. It's called Mind Snacks. And we cover all different kinds of topics from economics to, to energy economics. It could be geopolitical, political. It could be woo-woo. This last Monday we had one on regenerative agriculture. The latest sciences around that.

And then I bring on people. I've had Grant Cardone on, Simon Dixon, and so we do a lot of interviews. So, yeah, if you guys want a firmed-up time that I'm doing spaces, it is Mondays at 6 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. And it's called Mindstacks. Awesome. But outside of that, I'm always doing pop-up spaces and I'm part of other people.

That's amazing. And thank you. And thank you for having me. This was the next part of conversation. It was great. It was great. It was great. Thank you so much.

It was great. I think our audience is going to benefit bigly, as Trump would say. Bigly. It's wonderfully. Huge. It's going to be the most huge conversation we've ever seen. So let's go order some McDonald's. Yeah, right.

But guys, that's going to be it for us. Mates, if you want to hang out, we'll speak to you on the back end. But anyways, guys, thank you so much for listening to this episode. We get a lot more to cover. There's so much going on right now. We just don't even know where to start. But I'm glad to have friends like Maze on our show. Go support Maze.

Go show her love. Go go to her spaces. Go follow her. Guys, until next time, we love you. Peace out. Peace out.