Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Israel War With Hamas & Palestine | The History From A Jew with Bobby

Episode Date: October 12, 2023

Explore the most recent developments in the Israel-Hamas conflict with our special guest, Bobby, who brings a unique perspective as we delve into the intricate history of Israel and Palestine. Discover the global significance of these events as we unpack the complex issue of territorial ownership in Israel and gain insights from Bob on the ongoing Israel-Palestinian conflict. Bob is a devout Jew who knows the extensive history of the region. All of this and more on this episode of Israel Hamas War | The History From A Jew with Bobby

Hello and welcome to Investigator of the podcast. I'm your host chat alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Sherry, how are you doing? Although this topic is very heavy. It is very heavy, but I am really excited to finally have my brother on the podcast, which excites me because my brother is so knowledgeable with everything, and you guys are going to love him. Yeah, yeah.

So Bobby is definitely very knowledgeable with Israel, the history, the conflict. There's a lot of people that, you know, I've reached out to us, said, hey, you know, this is Palestinian land. They're the victims. They're the victims in this. And then we obviously have a lot of people that have said Israel is the victims. But regardless of that,

I think that at the very least, the powers that be are going to use this against Israel in the end. And not just Israel and not just Jewish people. I think they're going to use this as a major stepping point towards the eradication or the ability to

say that Jewish people are terrorists, Christians are terrorists because they're lumping in both Jewish and Christianity together. I think this is going to be an opportunity. I think this is something that, by the way, this is going to be a series. This is the second part of our Israel War series. This series in particular with Bobby, we're going to talk about the history of Israel between Israel and Palestine. We're going to talk about all that. And then we're going to also get a little deeper on some of the other things, like our border crisis.

Like what does that mean for us, the United States or America? Do we need to worry about terrorism? Can what happened in Israel happen in the United States? And listen, 100% although Bobby is definitely Sherry's brother. We do have different beliefs or opinions on certain things. So you'll hear that here and there throughout the podcast. But I think beyond that, I think Bobby did a great job. I think that, you know, he is Jewish.

He's grown up Jewish. Sherry grew up in a household of Jewish. And so I felt we both felt like it was the right person to bring on, given the circumstances and the situation in Israel. Yeah, but we've got to make sure that when we're talking about religion, Christian and Christians, is the same thing. It's a singular and a pronoun. Yeah, Jew and Jews. Yeah, Jews, yeah, whatever.

But I mean, regardless of that, there's so many things we cover on this, regardless, we talk about religion in this for about 10 minutes probably towards the end. but most of this is about the history of Palestine and Israel. And not just Palestine, but the history of Israel and their conflicts over the course of history, right? From the beginning. Yes. It seems like, you know, factions or large factions or groups that people have always wanted to eradicate Jews. And it's not just Jewish people. We've seen this with Christianity and we're actually starting to see it more normalized than Christianity now to where they don't want people to believe in Christianity.

As far as in the United States. Jesus. Well, no, not just in the United States. There have been mass murders in Africa and other places around the world that they have killed Christians. They have literally went in these jihadist groups, these other terrorist organizations. They have went and found Christian schools of kids where they go in and kill two and three hundred people. We've seen this over the past 10, 20, 30 years. This happens all the time. This is not just a Jewish thing. Christians are also targeted. I mean, we saw this in Nashville, Tennessee. We're a trans shooter, regardless of what we want to say, a trans shooter went in and killed Christian kids. And yet they never, you never heard anything more about that. The manifesto was never released, nothing. There are hate crimes, and there are in particular religious crimes that happen all the time.

And although we're not going to try to tell you or make you believe in any certain religion or whatever, we're not preachers here. We're mostly talking here about the history between Israel and Palestine, and in particular to history of Israel. but just before we get into this I want to bring up this number one we do have a Facebook and Instagram and a Twitter and X we are starting

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And you can get podcasts from us in your email every single day. So, and that's very, very important in today's world. We've talked so much about this on so many episodes. So I want to make sure everyone knows that. Now, before we get in this, because this is a long podcast. This is a two hour and almost 25 minute episode. and I think that you guys should listen to every second of it. But before we get into that, my brother had a link.

Yeah, I'm going to get to that. I'm going to get to that. I will definitely get that. So Israel formally declared war on October 8th, retaliating against Hamas, terrorist groups, surprise attack from the air, land, and sea on October 7th. Israeli forces announced that the launch of operations swords of iron to defend Israeli civilians against

the unprecedented assault by Hamas. Israel also eased gun license standards on October 8th, enabling more citizens to arm themselves, which we've talked about that on the first episode a little bit. Hamas threatened on October 9 to execute Israeli captives if Israel bombed Gaza civilians houses without warning. But the Israel Defense Forces noted on October 10th that Hamas terrorists operate from civilian buildings, thus making them valid airstrike targets. Furthermore, Israel's prime minister had urged Gaza Raq. residents to evacuate the region on October the 8th.

Since October 8, tens of thousands have been evacuated from southern Israel. The U.S. government is trying to make it easier for Americans to get flights from Israel as of October 10th, per the State Department. But many U.S. airlines have completely halted flights after the Hamas attack. So even Kirby came out and said, in a media report, any civilians in Israel, just go ahead and book a commercial flight. All airlines pretty much have halted all flights. Yeah, and just so you guys know, my brother and I, we actually have relatives that are in Israel right now. Yeah, absolutely. And I would like to talk to him if we can bring him on another episode.

But also, other nations also similarly trying to help evacuate their citizens out of the state region are also facing the same consequences. U.S. President Joe Biden confirmed 14 American deaths on October 10th. The White House said at least 20 Americans are missing. I think that number of American deaths have went up now to on. almost 20. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken is due to visit Israel soon to show support. And the IDF confirmed the arrival of U.S. armaments in southern Israel on October 10th. Now, since all this, we have had babies that have been murdered and beheaded. We have had Black Lives Matter organization that have come out in support of Hamas.

And when I say in support of Hamas, not Palestinians, as a Black Lives Matter organization like Black Lives Matter Chicago, where you post a image of paratroopers with a actual parachute and then you say you support Hamas or support Palestine or Palestine but when you actually put the parachute where they parachuted in to kill innocent civilians at a

rave. Yeah, musical concert. A rave. Yeah, because Nathan pointed out to me today, they said that was a rave. But yeah, at a rave when you show these images of this parachute, right? That's not supporting Palestine. That is supporting terrorism. And something that everyone has said for a very long time. A lot of you believe Black Lives Matter organization has been a terrorist organization.

And I think that they pretty much confirmed that in support of the terrorist that killed civilians in Israel. I just want to point that out. But listen, we're going to get more into that on another episode. Oh, absolutely. This is only part two. We're not going to get deep into that. Yeah, we're going to go into all the organizations that are against Israel. Yeah.

Absolutely. And listen, there is so much more to talk about as far as the United States, Canada, wherever you live that has a border or a partial border, right? These are things that you guys got to be worried about right now. And I do think that. And we talked a little bit about this with Bobby, but we didn't go too deep into this because I think that we do have a little different of opinions.

But regards to that, we are going to have a part three. So make sure you stay tuned for that. Now, we did have a request from Bobby that if you want to support Israel and you believe in the cause and all that, there is a website called Jafina.org. It is jafina.org. All the money that goes through this donation site goes directly to Israel. So you guys can go donate. or at the very least, go check this out, investigate it,

see how much money actually gets through. But from my knowledge, it is directly linked to Israel and the efforts of the Israeli people and supporting their war against the brutal Hamas terrorists. You guys can check it out for yourself. I'm not necessarily promoting it. I'm just saying that's something Bobby requested, and we are saying that in the forefront.

So you do your own research of whether or not you want to donate to that group or not. because we know with, you know, certain organizations or certain charity things, we don't always know what goes through completely. But Bobby did say that most of that does, it is legit and it goes through. Yeah, this has been a charity that's been going on for a long, long, long, long time. And, like, if you donate $25, let's just say, it's going to Israel. It's not like going to part of this company and the rest to Israel, you know?

Yeah, for sure. but guys I think that's going to do it for our intro. We're not going to get into too deep of details on a lot of things that we're going to talk about on part three, but this is part two. I think all of you need to know the history, right? Because so many people are out there saying the Palestinians are the real victims and all these things. I think you've got to be educated with knowledge and then, you know, keeping in mind whatever Bobby says or his history, you guys can look it up and verify or at least look up what he says.

And that's why we wanted to bring Bobby on. Obviously, I'm not Jewish. I have grown up Christian, although even in this podcast, I talk about I question things all the time. You guys have been following us for so long. We question all that. And at least I do. And I'm very public about that. But we wanted to bring Bobby on because he's very knowledgeable about the subject,

about the history of Israel and Palestine. And then even beyond that, like where all this really started, like back in the BC times. and thousands of years ago. And I think that's very important to note. So without further ado, here's the interview with Bobby, Sherry's brother. Bobby, thank you again for coming on. And we hope you guys enjoy it. Let us know what you think, by the way.

Hello, everybody. We are here with Bobby. Bobby, welcome to the podcast. How you doing? Thanks, guys. How you doing? We're pretty good. Although we're talking, you know, we're going to be talking about some heavy stuff.

We are glad to have you on. Obviously, you have extensive knowledge. We told everybody in the first podcast episode on the Israel and Hamas situation, we obviously told them that you have extensive knowledge and you are related to Sherry. You are Sherry's brother. Yes. And just listen, guys, I have been asking my brother for like four years. Please come on the podcast. Please, I bake him because he is so, he's just like a wealth of knowledge.

And I'm so excited that we're finally getting to do a podcast together. So, Bob, me saying that, give the people a little bit of background about who you are. You bet. Well, thanks, Chad and Sherry. Thanks a lot for having me on your podcast. And it has been a while. It's pretty exciting to be with you. Other than being Sherry's brother, which is quite a lot, I am a lawyer.

I've practiced international law and appellate law, criminal law, a little bit of everything for the last 28 years. And since we're talking about Israel and Hamas tonight, I'll also tell you that I've been pretty involved in studying the history of Israel. I'm kind of a historian. I've studied the history of Israel in college, and I've been to Israel several times. I've written about Israel.

I've done a doctoral thesis on the Oslo Peace Accords in 1993, and I explained why I thought then it was going to fail, and unfortunately I was correct on that. So I've got some experience with, or at least some understanding of what's going on in Israel. I kind of pay attention to Israeli politics and have long, tracked the several terrorist organizations that surround Israel that are in the areas of Gaza, Siberia, Judea, which everybody kind of refers to as the occupied territories, but we can talk about that. And yeah, so I'm happy to answer questions or fill in the blanks.

So you are a practice in Jew, right? Is this something, and we've talked about this on the podcast before, you know, about Sherry's religion versus kind of the way I grew up. Although, you know, Judaism, it seems like, especially in this particular situation, the people that are out there in support of, and look, we understand, number one, that there are going to be people that can and will support Palestine. That doesn't necessarily mean they're going to support terrorism, but then there are other people that it seems like they're almost intentionally trying to support terrorism. but you practicing as a Jew

kind of tell me a little bit about that but you've been to Israel quite a bit right yeah I think I've I've been to Israel five times four times something like that either way and I've taken the chance to just drive around the country

on my own with friends and family and discover parts of Israel that you don't usually see when you're with a travel guide or on a bus So, yeah, it's a very interesting place. It's a beautiful place. It's an amazing place.

It's a place where I would say that everybody at some point needs to visit. Obviously, right now it's a little bit difficult. And what happened on Saturday makes it really hard to contemplate a trip to Israel until things are resolved. But once that happens, I encourage everybody to go. of your faith or your background. It is the centerpiece of three religions, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. And it's probably the most meaningful city, well, Jerusalem is probably the most meaningful city in the world in those three religions. So it's a pretty amazing place. A lot of diversity. Shockingly, a lot of people get along with each other, regardless of whether or not they're Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Arab.

In most cases, it doesn't really matter. That's not true everywhere. And unfortunately, there are evil people who are members of terrorist groups who don't want to have diversity and don't want to have peace and really are desperate for power and destruction. So that's kind of what we saw beginning on Saturday. And so talking about that, just to go a little bit further, you know, basically Gaza is right next to Israel. And most of those people, I guess, are Palestine, are Palestinians.

But they're also Muslim. So I guess my question is, Bob, is this a religious? this war or is this a war on different beliefs or different things? Why are they doing this? Why do they want to go in and attack Israel? And Bob, before you answer that to that question, I want to follow this up with, I want to make sure that we get this out there. We've had a lot of different people, especially based on our first episode where we talked about the Israel, Hamas War. I was very clear, obviously that we stand with Israel because of this was a brutal and horrific attack on suburb. civilians in Israel. And obviously a lot of people have a lot of different opinions. But as you get

into this Gaza thing between the Gaza Strip and Palestine and as you said, basically three religions kind of ended up in this one area. It's kind of a melting pot for religions. I do want to mention something. You know, like for example, someone said, you mean the persecuted people are fighting against a tyrannical Western New World Order, which a lot of people believe Islam as a part of the system, the Western system, the NATO, the all this, which they are a part of NATO and all that. But what do you say about, you know, Israel persecuting these people? And it's not Israel's land.

It's the people of Palestine's land, technically. It's the Muslim land. It's the Islamist land. With that in mind, give us a little history between Israel and Gaza Strip and Palestinians. Well, you bet, Chad. and you really have to kind of go back kind of far. I think I'll just tell your listeners, and I don't want to send them to other podcasts,

but there's a fellow named Ben Shapiro is pretty good. He kind of covered the history of Israel in a nutshell in 2021, when the last time that the people in Gaza, the Hamas attacked Israel. I'd refer that a little bit, but just to give you a five-minute run over, you got to go back really, really deep in history. So, you know, Abraham started off probably down in this place called Oar,

which was probably the bottom of Yemen, and he walked, sojourned all the way over to the Levant, to what is today now Israel, and ended up in Jerusalem. and his people ended up kind of settling there. You go through the Bible, what Jews call the Torah, Christians call the Old Testament, either way. And you can just go through the history of the Jews. They were called to Israelites in the Bible. And you remember the story of the Israelites going to,

to Egypt with Joseph in spending roughly 400 years in Egypt. And then Pharaoh coming after them. And then you had Moses come up, and that's where we got the book. That's where the Torah was revealed to the Jews at Mount Sinai. Mount Sinai is in the Sinai Peninsula, which is just to the kind of the northeast of Egypt into the southwest of Israel. And they traveled all around the country side through the land, through the desert.

And eventually, if you remember correctly, the Israelites entered what was called Canaan with Joshua. And about 200 years later, You've got a, or maybe 100 years later or so, we don't really know the exact date. We've got a dynasty of kings, starting with this fellow named King David. King David is pretty important to both Judaism and Christianity for both Jews and Christians. The Davidic line is thought to be the messianic line, where the Messiah will come. but not going too deep into religion.

Those, that kingdom set itself up, which is now in modern day Israel. And it got conquered a couple times. The kingdom split into two after Solomon was king. His children didn't get along too well, and they split the kingdom. And then the Assyrians came and attacked northern Israel. and everybody that was there, at least the leaders, were dispersed into Assyria, which is kind of north of Syria. And then the southern kingdom was called Judea. And that's where we get the word Jew from.

Jews come from Judea. And that kingdom lasted another 200 odd years until I think 586 when BCE, when the battle was. Babylonians came in and conquered Judea and took into slavery most of the leaders into Babylon. They were released by the Persians 70 years later and came back around 515 BCE, roughly, reestablished the kingdom of Judea, and that continued through the years all the way, up until the time when we had Alexander the Great come through. Alexander the Great was welcomed into Judea. And then after he died, the four Ptolemies,

the four generals that split up Alexander the Great's kingdom, started fighting each other, and there was a lot of power play. And eventually the Greek Assyrians, or the Greek Syrians, Syrian Greeks, sorry, came into the land and conquered Judea again. The Maccabees

forced them out and had the miracle of lights. So if you remember Hanukkah, that's the Maccabees. They kicked the Greeks out and saved the synagogue, the art, excuse me, the temple.

And the miracle of the oil where they only had enough oil for the town, the holy light, the holy flame in the temple, which was only, they only had enough oil to burn for one night, burn for eight nights. Anyways, that was a miracle. That kingdom continued until the Romans came in. The Romans were invited in by one of two brothers that were fighting each other for control over. Judea. And then the Romans stayed and then subsequently sat Jerusalem and the area of Israel took it over. In the year 70th, they destroyed Jerusalem.

And then many of the Jews were taken to Rome, spread throughout Europe. in 135 CE, the common area, or Christians call AD a fellow named Simon Barcochpa led a revolt saying that he was going to

kick the Romans out. That failed. He was captured. And at that point, the Romans just desecrated everything that was Jewish. They changed they even went so far to change the name from Judea to

Palestine which was this the small little tribe that was no longer existent as far as I can tell and that's the ultimate desecration is to wipe out your history and so that

it's as though Judea never existed existed now so that's a 135 but Jews stayed in the area the whole time the Jews never left the temple was destroyed the

priests the Kohanim the Levites the Sadducees the Pharisees from the Bible they were all taken out of the picture

but the Jews stayed there and the Romans continued to govern that area until it became the Byzantine

empire the Byzantine were kind of ousted when this fella in Saudi Arabia came up that we know as the Prophet Muhammad and he and his followers conquered most of the Middle East and all the way up to Europe, including the area of Israel. And so then we had Muslim rule over the Jews. The Jews were still present, they hadn't left. Then after that, the

the crusades occurred. The Christian soldiers of Europe came and fought the Muslims. Jews and Muslims kind of got along during that time. I mean, they were kind of second-class citizens, but they still had

more a less a positive interaction for the most part. The Crusades, the Christians ruled Israel for about 200 years, and then they were pushed out again by the Muslims. Eventually, the Ottoman Turks came in and established rule, and that kind of led all the way up until World War I, when the British assumed a political mandate over what was then called Palestine. prior to that, there was an attempt to get more people to come to Palestine that were Jewish and to settle there, to join the Jews that were living there for the last 2,000 years. They never left.

And that's the misnomer. That's kind of the miss. That's a key point right there is the Jews never left. And it's always been their holy land. They're the ones that were there in the beginning. They're the ones that, I guess, it sounds like everyone wanted to fight to get them out of there. But even when they fought them and got them out of there, there were still Jews that stayed there. Yeah.

Correct. And so if you look at it from 1,200 B.C. or 1,200 BC, all the way up until 1948, when the Jews in Palestine declared independence and created the state of Israel, there has never been a state of Palestine in that area. There's never been a state in that other than Israel and Judea in that history. It was mostly just, you know, shepherds in a few cities, but it wasn't until the 19th century when you had, you know, people that came from mostly Russia in the last. late part of the 19th century to start moving into to start farming the land.

And as they started farming the land, agriculture picked up, the economy picked up, that encouraged board jobs. And then you had people from surrounding areas like Egypt and Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, that came and wanted to be a part of this new economy, just like you see in the United States. people are attracted to a very successful area, and the Jews that came from Russia and from Europe, were starting to create a miracle in the desert.

And so the Arabs that lived there, they didn't really particularly like the Jews coming in, and just like the Egyptians, the Egyptians of Moses' time, They tried to eliminate the Jews. There were pogroms in Palestine before the Jewish state. We saw the same, not terrorism like we saw on Saturday, but the same kind of attacks occurred in Palestine by Arabs against Jews before it was a state.

Thereafter, in 1948, they declared independence. when they declared independence, the five countries surrounding Israel attacked on the day of independence. Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, they all came in and tried to wipe out the Jews. I mean, that was the goal. That war lasted for a couple years. And finally, there was an armistice. kind of a not quite a peace

treaty but like a truce if you will and the Jews were unfortunately unable to keep Jerusalem the eastern part of Jerusalem during that war so the war of independence

the Jews lost the old city where the temple mount were where Solomon built his temple, and when the temple was rebuilt shortly before the Romans destroyed it, that area was controlled by the Jordanians. Because that part and a big chunk of Israel was under control of the Jordanians, it was all to the west of the Jordan River. And because it was Jordanian

occupied territory. Those were the first occupiers of that area. Again, not a state, not Palestine as a state, but a territory. It was called the West Bank because it was on the West Bank of the Jordan River, west of Jordan. And that's where we get the word West Bank. It's not like this ancient thing. It's just from 1960 or excuse me, 1948 until 1940. that the West Bank was under the control of Jordan. And they never granted independence to the people that lived there either. The area of Sinai was controlled by Egypt and the area to the north of Israel was controlled by Syria and Lebanon. In 1967, the Arab country surrounding Israel was about to attack. and again with the goal to wipe out the Jews from Israel and there is no we don't want to create two states

we don't want to have you here period that was the goal we'll take care of the Jews we'll get them all out the Jews had some the Jews of Israel had some fantastic leaders some fantastic generals They legally, under international law, they legally defended themselves before that attack. They wiped out the entire Egyptian Air Force before they got off the ground. And then they were able to push back the Jordanians all the way past the Jordan River. They took the area of the Golan Heights, which are a series of mountainous area that kind of overlooks.

the valley to the south into Israel, where both the Lebanese and the Syrians had the advantage of being able to show. And after that, they also took over all of the Sinai Peninsula. That was all held by the Israelis until 1970. when Monacham Began, the Prime Minister of Israel, made peace, a cold peace, but made peace with Anwar Sadat, the leader of Egypt. And in order to do that, he gave back the entire Sinai Peninsula to the Egyptians in exchange for peace.

Later, there was a cold peace that was made with the Jordanians. After that, the Jordanians were having trouble with the people that came from that area of Palestine. In 1948, when the Arabs were coming in,

the Arabs told the Arabs of Jordan and Egypt and Lebanon and Syria told the people that were living in Israel to leave because they were coming and they were going to destroy everything. So they kicked everybody out. They said,

get out because we're coming. Well, the Jews of Israel didn't want anybody to leave. They wanted to be part of this new state. It was going to be a Jewish state, but they were going to be able to have the same rights as Jews in the new state. Nobody asked the Arabs to leave, except for the other Arabs. So they left. They mostly went to Jordan, and then there was almost a civil war, in Jordan, where the Palestinians, that's what they called themselves at that point, the Palestinians moved from Jordan to Lebanon. And then we have the first real terrorist groups pop up. 1964, I'll just finish this and you guys can ask questions.

1964, the Arab countries created the Palestinian Liberation Organization. Now, this is before Israel came into the West Bank and before Israel occupied Gaza. The Palestinian Liberation Organization was built to eliminate the Jews from all of Palestine, from all of Israel. That was the goal. It wasn't to save any part of any occupied territory it was to wipe about. So it was before the West Bank and Gaza were occupied by the Israelis. It was occupied by the Jordanians and the Egyptians. So this whole idea that the Jews have been occupiers is a false flag.

It's a it's propaganda. Okay. It's the, the Jews have been gas-lit by the, the powers that be in the Middle East, since this all started. Yeah. And continue to be. So that, that kind of gives you a little bit of a basis. And I'm talking real loosely. Oh, that was a great summary.

I'm telling you because as you were talking, I'm closing my eyes and I'm picturing all those territories, all those places where Israel is and where Turkey is. Jordan and Syria, you know, I just closed my eyes in. As you were telling the stories, it makes so much more sense why all this fighting is going on now. Yeah, I mean, I think the common consensus, and Bob, you did a great job there, given that history, which I'm sure you could go in so many different, you know, very extended versions of that. But you did a very good job in a very short time. So we have a lot to ask. Just based on that, and these are going to be things that are very important, I think,

in this whole conversation. But number one, I want to get to another listener because everything you just said, I think this is kind of the consensus of everyone that is technically in support of Palestine. And I want to get to this point because I want to break down what you just said

as far as the history of all this. And I want a response, and I want a response that is less than two minutes, because I think you can do this. And I think it's based on everything you just said. right everything you just said I listened

I took that in and I think I get the history I think I get where this came from but for someone that tells us right I agree with a lot of stuff that we talk about on the podcast right but they said but if you look at this thing with a mind that has no dog in the fight

you would see the Palestinians have always been the victims here they said since the west set up shop things have gone very south I cannot blame them for filling like they're defending themselves or retaliating for something the West has done or has been doing or been a part of. But look at Hamas.

It was created and funded by Moss. The Middle East was radicalized on purpose by the U.S. Department of Defense. Many people say in the 80s. But to your point, just that, just the one line, you know, are the Palestinians actually victims? Because based on the history I just heard, it sounds like, and I'm not saying necessarily Jewish has always been victims, but why does everyone want to kill Jewish people? What is the big thing

against Judaism? What is a big thing against Israel? In the way where they live? Yeah, and we are going to talk a little bit about biblical stuff and both Torah and Christianity in just a little bit. But Bob, why does

everyone hate Jews? I don't get it. And to that two-minute question, are they the victims between Israel? Yeah, Palestine. Yeah, because I think you just explained it, but, you know. Yeah, that's a lot in two minutes. So let me, you ask like 15 questions.

So let me try and break it down. The first one are the Palestinians victims. Absolutely, they're victims. They're victims of tyranny from their own leadership. You've got in Gaza, you've got Hamas, which is a terrorist organization, as recognized by the United States and the United Kingdom. them and other places as well. You've got Hamas that has been sucking money from aid groups all around the world and

using it to create terrorists, using it to buy terrorist equipment, guns, rockets, concrete, concrete that's been shipped all over the world to Gaza to build housing for the people, the poor people that live in Gaza, the roughly two. million, 1.7 to 2 million Palestinians that live in Gaza, that concrete was the concrete that was used to build tunnels for the terrorists to go into Israel and attack them. And that has been documented and done for the last 10 to 20 years. So in the West Bank that they call it, or in Judea and Samaria, same thing. If you have a group of people that, I mean, let's get, right down to it. There were two options that were placed on the table. Yasser Arafat,

who was the leader of the PLO, he was kind of the leader of the Palestinians when the Oslo Accords occurred. Bill Clinton met with him and the Israelis, and they created the systematic agreement where there would be three phases to try and negotiate a complete settlement of all the differences between the Jews in Israel and the Arabs in Israel or in Judea and Samaria and Gaza. When that happened, everybody was like, oh, this is great. But as soon as it happened, it fell apart. if you look at the response to the peace offers that were made by Israelis to Palestinian leadership over the years, every time an offer has been made, it's been rejected. So after the Oslo Accords, this fellow named Barack, Prime Minister Barack.

met with Yasser Arafat, with the help of Bill Clinton. And they offered, Barack offered pretty much everything, with just a couple of little exceptions, everything that the Palestinian leadership was crying that they had to have before they could recognize Israel and have peace. most of the West Bank, all of Gaza, a couple of settlements were cut out and the idea was we'd give land swaps where they had good land to replace the land that Jews have been living for years,

right? For some, in some cases, for over 2,000 years. And completely rejected. Completely rejected. Everything they wanted. Later, Prime Minister Omerg, Hehud Omer

comes in and he does the same thing and he offers more stuff. And the Palestinian leadership again, and this time with Hamas, they completely rejected. What they want, and this isn't the

Palestinians, I think, this is the Palestinian leadership. This is Hamas and Fatah. The two main groups that represent the Palestinians in the air. They want one thing. They want from the land to the sea

to be free of Jews. That's what they want. Yeah. And that's literally what I was going to ask you. And to kill Jews and get rid of them to wipe them off the face of the earth. And I think that's what you're saying is that's what this war is all about. This is

what this attack was about. It's not about land. It's about getting Jews off the face of this earth. And it sounds like that's what has been many times in history, right? I mean, just if you listen to history, and I've researched a lot of history, because I knew you were going to know a lot of this history, obviously. But, you know, it does seem like there is something. Okay, so if you get Jews out of Israel, where do Jews go? Where's their homeland? No, they kill them. No, but I'm saying, where is their homeland? If

Palestinians or whoever, the Middle East wants to take over Israeli land, if they want to take over Israel, where are Jews supposed to go? Where is their homeland? Bob? Yeah, well, Chad, Chad, I think cherry kind of answered you. If you look at, if you look at the charter of Hamas, their charter is to eliminate the Jews.

I mean, that's what the Nazis called it the Jewish question. When Adolf Hitler was running things in Germany in the 1940s, he met with the Mufti of Jerusalem, an Arab leader,

Muslim leader of Jerusalem, and they discussed the Jewish question. The plan was that as soon as the Germans got to Israel, they would wipe out the Jews. That was the goal. That has continued into these incredibly off-the-wall concepts that Hamas and other terrorist groups, have come up with about the Jews. They've taught and trained their children, both in the West Bank and in Gaza, Fatah and Hamas have both indoctrinated children

to believe that Jews are basically the children of Satan, that they are the devil incarnate, and they don't have, they're inhuman. They don't have a right to live. It's in their school books. And when the Jews try to negotiate, when the Israelis try to negotiate with both these groups, with Hamas and with Fatah, that was one of the things they asked for. Hey, look, we'll give you what you want. But you've got to recognize us.

You've got to give us security and you're going to stop teaching your children to be terrorists. Right. Against us. And now on Saturday, you saw the response. Again, I'm not talking about the Palestinian people. I'm talking about the Palestinian leadership. And that is where this tragedy lies. And Bob, so speaking of Palestine, and I want to bring this up, you know,

and we're going to get to a clip here of Ben Shapiro. Two minutes, Ben Shapiro has got a lot of flack on this video. And keeping in mind, I've always been a Ben Shapiro fan. And still am, by the way. And yes, he did have a lot of strong points in this video. We're going to play in just a second, this clip. but Bob with Palestine right so we talk about the Palestinian residents and all that and I'm not exactly 100% you know I'm not 100% knowledgeable as far as their government but how much influence does Hamas have over Palestine and do they do like recruiting for example like if you go in the United States if you want to join the military to fight for your country and you go speak with an army recruiter or a marine recruiter is Hamas that important? influential in Palestine to the residents and the people of Palestine.

I mean, is it the same type of thing to where you see America? You have literally recruiters for Army and Marines and Navy and Air Force and all of the rest of them. Everywhere. Is Hamas that way in Palestine? Yeah, let's talk a little bit about that and how that all happens. So I mentioned the Palestinian Liberation Organization, right? In Yachter-Fat, he was kind of. in charge of the beginnings of this concept of the Palestinian administration or

Palestinian Authority that was created by the Oslo Accords. They, their group is called Fatah, and they had control of both Gaza and the West Bank. Now, in the early 2000s, Hamas was a very aggressive. terrorist organization. And frankly, as I mentioned, I don't think the Palestinian leadership really took care of the Palestinian people in both areas. There was a lot of poverty. There was a lot of desperation because there's nowhere to grow in their society. There's the suggestion that in Gaza that it was a concentration camp. I've heard people say It's the largest concentration camp in the world, open-air concentration cap, which is ridiculous.

But in 2005, the Israelis, after occupying that area and having settlements in the Gaza area, which was the traditional Jewish homeland, they unilaterally withdrew from Gaza, the Israelis. They left the infrastructure that they created, greenhouses, farms, houses, streets. As soon as they left, the people of Gaza destroyed everything, destroyed the houses, destroyed the greenhouses, destroyed all the infrastructure that the Jews had left. And in the interim, elections were held in Gaza. And Hamas was elected. There is a mini civil war between Fatah and Hamas in Gaza. They fought each other.

Many of the leaders from Fatah were murdered. And then Hamas took over in Gaza. Fatah is still in control in the area of Judea and Samaria. And, you know, they kind of, they both battle for the hearts of the Palestinians. want to have the power. So what happens? There's an arms race between the Hamas terrorists and Fatah. The, there's a constant one-upmanship.

So traditionally, instead of invading and killing, murdering babies and raping teenagers, Hamas would just send rockets into Israel. And that was all a daily bombardment. then they started this thing called the Intifada in 1987, where Hamas was about 45% of the attackers, where they went in and they blew up Jewish public places. There's a very famous pizza restaurant called Sparrow, that's a western restaurant that was blown up

and several Israelis were murdered. That happened almost daily, where bombings occurred throughout the country. That changed things. This whole concept that Israelis, Jews in Israel, had made peace with Arabs in Israel, and they did. There are Israeli Arabs that live side by side with Jews.

Now, there are pockets where they don't get along. So it's not a utopia. But there are places where, you know, I've gone into restaurants. It I was freely served by Arab workers, not only from Israel, but that came over from the West Bank. And they were friendly and happy to be there and got paid well. And they didn't have this problem that everybody else seems to have.

So anyways, long story short, as Hamas, escalated things, so did Fatah so that they could maintain power. Now, today, Mahmoud Abbas, who's the leader of Fatah, Fata, he's been serving, and I get this, Ben Shapiro had a great line. He said that Mahmoud Abbas is in his 16th year of a four-year term, which is true. Every time that they ask for elections, they get owned. Now, part of that might be good. Part of it might be bad.

I don't know. But are the people of Palestine, are they more in support of Hamas or Fah? I don't know. It's hard to gauge. Definitely in Gaza, they elected Hamas. Hamas has two sides of a coin. There's a terrorist group that we saw on Saturday. And then there's a political group, which, the leaders of which are,

all in Qatar and live very well and get paid a lot of money by the Qataris. And so there's a political administration in Gaza. They run, they administrate everything. They run the schools.

They run the economy. Everything is handled by Hamas. So if you don't like Khamas, you probably aren't going to get very far in Gaza. Whereas in the West Bank, if you will, if Hamas doesn't have a political power. It doesn't really have political power in the West Bank. It's really Fatah.

So it's hard to say. I would say, I would tell you that in my opinion, Fatah has traditionally been less aggressive than Hamas. Now, Mahmoud Abbas was supposed to have elections, I think, in 20 and 21. And in response to the, he canceled the elections. And as soon as he canceled, he encouraged terrorist attacks in Jerusalem with terrorists to go in and use knives against Jews throughout Jerusalem. And that those knives attacks have been occurring for the last two years.

and that kind of took the minds off the Palestinians of, hey, we didn't get elections. Let's go kill some Jews. And so it made it. And they love using knives, actually, don't they? Well, and again, I'm thinking that these are extremists in that society. I'm not saying that every Palestinian is a terrorist. That's absolutely not true. And the Palestinians that live there need to have human rights.

Absolutely. But when the people that are in control encourage murder of children, murder of families, rape, mutilation of bodies, parading hostages, the taking of hostages, that's not freedom fighting. That's terrorism. There's no question about it. And it is a big difference between freedom fighting and terrorism. Absolutely. Here's the reality, though. It's like you look at the people of Palestine, right? And they're indoctrinated regardless of whatever the circumstances are, they have to be because, as you said, you know, if you don't support Hamas, you don't support obviously how brutal they are, then I guess these people, probably a lot of people are fearful. If you don't support Hamas, it's very similar maybe to North Korea. But regardless of that, we are all indoctrinated in some ways, in, you know, to what many people say. I want to play this clip, and Bob, I hope you can hear this. We tested this the other night, but hopefully you can hear this clip.

I want to play you what Ben Shapiro had to say about done negotiating with Palestinians. They're all Nazis, basically. This is what Ben Shapiro had to say, and we're going to talk about it on the backside, and then we're going to talk a little bit deeper on this subject. But here's Ben Shapiro. ...of Jews since the Holocaust. The numbers, as of this moment, are approaching 1,000 dead Jews, probably in excess of 1,000 dead Jews at this point.

This is not a military operation in any real sense of the term of military. These were Einzats' group of Nazis who are literally driving up to different Israeli villages. These are not settlements. When you hear settlements, settlements, typically refer to people who are in the West Bank, Judean Samaria. It's a completely different discussion. These are people who are just living in villages, living in Kibbutzim, that are very close to the gossip border. These Nazis drove up. They literally just mowed down civilians videos emerging, and there will be soon, I'm sure, fresh videos of atrocities committed by Hamas.

they are the Nazis of our time in some ways they are worse than the Nazis which is nearly impossible to say about any human being the Nazis mechanized murder Hamas openly celebrates it when the allies were approaching near the end of World War II the Nazis attempted to cover up their own atrocities

in this particular case they celebrated put it on social media hand candies to their children fired guns in the air while celebrating it they go through the refrigerators obviously make sure that they have slaked their thirst and then they set fire to the kibbutz. The purpose of setting fire to the kibbutz is to drive all of the civilians out from their homes

where they can then shoot them in the streets. This is what Khamas is. When we say these are the worst scenes since the Holocaust for Jews, these are the worst scenes since the Holocaust for Jews. After 30 years of attempting to negotiate with Palestinian terrorists, and after 30 years of making concessions to them, and after 15 years of handing over the entire Gaza Strip to the tender mercies of Hamas,

and giving them an aid, and pretending that there was a peace process, and pretending that these people were anything but human debris, the leadership of Hamas, the staffing of Hamas, the government of Hamas, this is the result. This is the result. Evil must be eradicated. It cannot be dealt with. It cannot be negotiated with. There cannot be a ceasefire. These people have to be driven six feet under.

They need to be dead. That is the only solution to true evil. And the world is finding that out today. Israel is finding that out today. it's the greatest catastrophe for Jews I've mentioned before since the Holocaust without any sort of doubt. So there you go, Bobby. Hopefully you heard that.

Did you hear that? Okay. Got a couple points and I'll put it back on you. Ben Shapiro was very clear that he's not necessarily even just saying Hamas, right? He is saying that and he did mention the leadership and all this, but you know, going back to the

indoctrination of the people and the people you know, there were videos and reports of shortly after, actually, the attack on Israel, there were many citizens in the streets of Palestine celebrating. They were celebrating these. Yeah, they actually had like food and music and going crazy about celebrating about murder of Jews. Yeah, and so Ben Shapiro's point is he said this could even potentially be worse in some ways than the Holocaust. because although the Holocaust was horrific, right? But, and as Ben Javier said, they, you know, at least the Holocaust, they somewhat tried to hide it.

But these people are openly celebrating it. At what point, though, does it get to, you know, we have this massive uprising of pro-Palestinians, not just in the United States. I mean, a lot of the major cities in the United States, but you got, you know, UK, you've got Canada, you have Australian protests, you have protests around the world. I mean, we've had a ton of emails in somewhat support of Palestinians. And even like all over the United States, there's constantly, you know, protest on both sides, which does not make any sense to me.

I just don't get that still to this day. I'm sorry. I don't know if it's political or not. But when you see innocent children slaughtered by having their heads cut off, 30, 40 babies. And teenagers having their kids. having their hands tied behind their back and burning them alive and going to a concert

and taking all these young adults, a rave or whatever you want to call it, taking them and burning them and taking them as hostage and then parading their bodies around the city to say, look at what we did. We got a girl with her legs back behind her head because we don't give a crap about you. We are terrorists and we're here to kill.

Yeah. I mean, what point do you? support that? I don't get it. Well, and I guess, and look, we don't have to get too deep in this because it's a very complex scenario, but, you know, Ben Shapiro is getting a lot of flack on this video. He's getting a lot of flak because the, you know, he basically lumps him Palestinians with Hamas, right? And I don't know where you go with that exactly. I do know that if you think about, in my opinion, right, it's just, just me looking on the outside. Let's just say, which technically

I do have a dog in the fight in some ways. I am technically a Christian, although these are Jewish people, so there's different. And, you know, listen, there's Christian people being killed in this as well. There's Americans. There's whatever. But looking at it from the outside standpoint, you know,

everyone is going to attempt, by the way, and we're already seeing this. They're attempting, and they're going to try to attempt to turn this around on Israel. They're going to, you know, as Israel is bombing Gaza, and they're doing, their very best on social media on wherever they can to show these dead bodies of civilians,

in a lot of cases, in Gaza. They're trying to act like, hey, let's just forget about what Hamas did to Israel. And let's all concentrate on this, which is Israel bomb in Palestine. Yeah, we're already past that. We forgot about what they did to the Jews in Israel. Bobby, where do you, and I know this is a tough question, but I mean, you as a Jew, and then also understanding and knowing that Israel is straight up destroying Gaza right now. I'm talking about destroying. And Ben Shapiro and you, by the way, made a fantastic point just a minute ago. We tried to give them everything. We tried to do a peace accord. We brought in all this stuff. They didn't want it. They never really wanted it. And I think the real intent here is they want to kill Jews.

They want to eradicate Jews, just like Hitler did in Nazi Germany. And we're going to get in a little bit of maybe why that is, but also Sharia law, right? With Islam and Muslim and the community. Okay, so it's a two-part question here. You always have like two, three, four, five-point questions. I'm breaking us down. So, number one, should it be, I mean, do you think it is, do you think it is warranted for people to actually come out in support of Palestine right now, regardless of the situation?

Stop there. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, let's go back and unpack everything. So first, I listening to him and I heard him in his podcast originally say that. I did not hear him say that it was the Palestinians. I heard him talking about Hamas, the leadership of Hamas and the terrorists of Hamas that

did this in calling for their demise. I don't call for the demise of all Palestinians. I think anybody that does that, that's just as bad as Hamas calling for the demise of all Jews. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about terrorists. We're talking about destroying a terrorist terrorist organization. And if someone has a problem with taking on terrorism, maybe they need to look a little bit deeper. there is a there's a huge um a huge difference between what what you just what you just said of of you know

these specially trained terrorists i won't call soldiers because i don't want to denigrate soldiers these specially trained terrorists going into the kibbutzim going into these little villages these little neighborhoods around farms that have been there for 30 years. These aren't new things, and they're in Israel proper. They're not on Palestinian land. They're in Israel, going in and ambushing families and cars with AK-47s and murdering as they try and go through to their house, seizing or laying siege to a house and burning it until people are forced to jump to.

out of windows and then murdering them as they do, beheading farm workers from other countries. There's a video of a Thai worker that was shot in the stomach, and these terrorists took a hoe and tried to cut off his head as he's still alive. And finally, by the grace of God, he dies before he's decapitated. But it's unthinkable. The Nazis were hideous, but these terrorists have exceeded the evil that the Nazis were able to commit just in the atrocities that they perpetrated in the area of the Negev, in the area of southern Israel. So that's the first part. I don't think it's the Palestinians. I don't think, I don't think, I don't think Shapiro is saying all Palestinians need to be taken out. That's not what I heard him say. So I would take

Cambridge with that. But I, and personally, I don't think that's the case. I don't think all Palestinians hate Jews like the terrorists say they do. I have friends that are Palestinian. I have friends that are Muslim, and we get along without any problems. Peace is made between people, not between governments. Right. And so you have, sorry, go ahead. I'm trying. I'm trying. not to like do that. Go ahead. Sorry. Well, I was just saying, you've got to build peace in a community. Here in where I live, we believe in diversity. We want people of different religions and backgrounds to be part of our community.

We've been blessed by Muslims coming into our synagogue. And we call it in Hebrew. It's called Shalom. In Arabic, it's called Salam. we've sung together about peace together Jews and Muslims. This is not a war about religion. This is not a war, well, not a war between the clash of religions. It's not a war between Jews or Israelis and Palestinians. This is a war about sick terrorists who want to, that have a genocidal goal of killing every Jew on the

planet. That's not all of Palestine. That's not Fata, I don't think. I don't think that's Palestinians that live in the West Bank. Probably Palestinians that are in Gaza don't believe the same thing.

And Bob, I want to say something to you right here because I was listening. I'm hearing you as far as maybe it's not this and that. But think about this. Like, you probably watch a lot of the videos with a lot of these terrorists, these Hamas terrorists that are shouting Al-Aqbar, which is their religious god.

Or it's like all praise to Allah, I think is what that saying is, if I'm not mistaken. And so when you hear this, and they're shouting this, by the way, as they're murdering civilians. And all of these members that are these terrorist members are shouting this. This is also the same religion that, you know, the people of Palestine have. these are also the same the same shouts that we heard with ISIS killing our soldiers is the same shouts that we heard with

ISIS killing any civilian or any American they could possibly take hostage and execute and murder and they all are very deeply rooted in religion especially when they're yelling out Al-Aq Akbar or whatever that saying is right

and then if you kind of go back to biblical days you know you think about you know if you actually read the Bible or I don't I'm not well the Torah basically is what the Old Testament and then the New Testament is to Christianity but you know if you go back to the biblical days I mean the biblical days were pretty harsh I mean the things that happened back then were were tough right they were and and also back in biblical days I believe that there were a lot of very hard lines right and there were a lot of things that you know you you have to fight for your for what you believe and who you believe in and all this stuff.

And I believe that, you know, regardless of how crazy and messed up this is, because it is, it's completely messed up when they're shouting their religious saying as they're killing civilians, this is their mentality. This is what they believe. This is something that is in their mindset. It is part of their daily religion. I'm not saying for everyone. But there is an extremist.

And there's a lot of extremists in this particular. It's like an extreme Muslim religion or something. Kind of, but you know, you think about Sharia law to where Sharia law is, you know, according to Muslims and Islam, it is all encompassing. It is they want it to be the world law. They want it to be over all law, all religion and everything in the world. This is something they want. And Sharia law is in most people's opinions and expert's opinions or whoever. It is the reason why we have these terrorist organizations that we do, that literally go out and kill people, shoot them in the face,

behead them, burn them alive, all of these things as part of Sharia law. We've actually had issues with this in the United States, with these uprising of extremist groups in the United States that believe in Sharia law. You know, we've got videos which we're going to talk about hearing a little bit about our own border that we desperately have to worry about. But I guess my point is, is like, you know, according to the Bible and what I think is like, I don't know. I think so many people are, I think so many people sugarcoat what the deal is.

I don't think the Muslim Islam or at the very least the terrorist, right, Hamas and and and although we, ISIS, and although we want to, I think we want to say it's just a small little group of people, I don't necessarily think that. And you can have a completely different opinion. It's just, I think the ideologies and the, in the belief system behind that religion. And I also said, by the way, I believe on our first episode, we have really good friends that are Muslims. And they are absolutely nothing like anything you're going to see what Hamas is or any of that stuff. They actually believe in Jesus, which I was actually surprised about.

They actually believe that he's going to be the Messiah. And we're getting a little bit. So I'm not at all saying that all of them are like that. But I do think the Sharia extremist are a huge problem for the world. I think that because of the power they have in these Middle Eastern countries, and to your point, in some ways because of fear, and these people either get on board or they don't, but all that really is going to do is breed more hate. It's going to breed more terrorism. And you're just going to, instead of having a, what some people might say, a small Hamas group or a small ISIS group, which we know ISIS, Taliban, Hamas, they're a lot bigger than we think. That's just going to keep growing.

What do you do about that? And, I mean, I know that. Sherry's laughing because I just want on a ramp, but. Yeah. So, Bob, how do we solve all this? Yeah. Like, solve the world problems for us. Right now.

By the way, you got two minutes. That's great. Just like being in court, the judge saying, all right, you got two minutes for your closing. So I think what you're really referring to is jihadism. It's not Sharia, it's jihadism. The terrorists that we're talking about are responding to fatwas that are orders that are put out by clerics that are, you know, in many cases, I think that the source of these problems. Now, Sharia is totally different. Sharia law is just religious law. It's like kosher law. So Jews have to follow certain things when they eat, for example. Like when I eat, I can't eat pork. I can't eat shellfish if I keep kosher. That's kosher law. Sharia law is similar to that. It's how you are a good Muslim. It has nothing to do with jihadism. And so I think you're talking to about jihadis, jihadists, and saying Sharia, I think they're correct, would be jihad.

Jihad just means, and I'm not Muslim, I'm not an expert on Islam. I don't speak a lot of Arabic, I know a little bit of Arabic, but not a lot. But jihad is a holy war. That's in a holy war, not based on the Quran for it's in itself, but based on a clerics or a mullah or someone in charge saying this is what I think and this is my order by fatwa. And now you go and kill all these people. it's it's it's not part of Islam it's not part of their Bible it really isn't part of Islam

it's it's a it's a totally different thing and so that's where I think the danger is we've got to be careful that we don't we don't demonize an entire religion because there are terrorists falling

extreme attitudes and extreme things whom are probably crazy I think that's wrong. I think, you know, there are ample examples of Jews, Christians, and Muslims living together in peace. It's happened. In Spain, before the Inquisition, the areas of Spain that were conquered by the Muslims were administered by the Muslims. and Christians and Jews were treated as second-class citizens, but they were given rights to continue to practice their religion.

That's not what we're seeing here. This is a completely different thing that is, I think, completely divorced from Islam. I think it's abhorrent to people who are Muslim to be even associated with these people. I don't think it's what the average, and again, I'm not Muslim. I would highly recommend that you bring someone who is a Muslim on and ask them these questions, because in my personal opinion, I don't see that. I don't think the people that I know that follow Islam have stood up in the past condemned other terrorist events that were fatwas, right? So, now it concerns me when, I mean, you said, you know, a lot of people are shouting Allah Akbar. Well, there are Christians that were shouting Allah Akbar marching on the streets celebrating Hamas.

So it's not just Muslims. It's, you know, I'm going to help my team. And my team happens to be a bunch of terrorists that like murdering babies and raping teenagers. Okay, fine. that's your team that's who you morally equivalent with that's up to you that's great let's make sure we call you out and we know who you are so we were advised of what you think and that you're truly a racist and believe in genocide I'd rather know that up front that's great they have a right to think what they want they have a right to say what they want

they can go in the streets and they can claim Hamas or freedom fighter, that's great. But I think Americans, I think Europeans, I think even Muslims in the Middle East see through that. And remember, Israel has friends

in the Middle East. Arab countries that are Islamic have come out and condemn this. The United Arab Arab Arab Emirates condemn these actions. I think India has come out too, right? I mean, I don't know if what their religion. Is India Muslim? India is mostly a Hindu country. There are Muslim Indians that live in

India and they are protected to participate in their religion. But, you know, that's a whole another, I mean, there have been plenty of wars that were sprung up by religion. And you don't just, you don't, you can't just criticize Muslims for it. I mean, You look at Christianity. There were wars between Christians that murdered hundreds of thousands of people over centuries. So it's not just Islam. So I would say that. Now, in my two minutes are almost up.

But let me just go. I think there is a way to get through this. You have to, now, you have to call out. the jokers that spew this propaganda and gaslight everybody and tell them what they really are.

There's this movement called BDS, boycott, divest, and sanction, which was started by a group of people that wanted to support Palestine by trying to destroy

the economy of Israel. And in most of the states, in the United States, legislators, state legislators, have passed laws saying, we think this is illegal and it's not allowed. And if a company is involved in it, you can't do business with it. That's a good thing.

I think most Americans understand the difference between right and wrong. They see the difference between good and evil. I think that's true in the Middle East as well. You've got a, now, I've got to tell you that again, you asked that the Palestinians are victims. I truly believe they are victims. They've been victims of these different power sources throughout history. And now, Hamas has pulled this group of poor Palestinians in Gaza into a hell.

The Israelis didn't start this war. Right. Let's be clear. And there's no equivalence between raping teenagers and beheading babies and bombing, bombing military sites that Hamas brings civilians into to protect it. They use human shields, which is a war crime. Exactly. I was just getting ready to say that. They're not even letting their people get out of there.

They're using them as human shields. And we've seen this before. This is not old. And the media doesn't want to believe it. And the downside is the media, and let's look a little bit deeper. Let's look beyond Gaza and Israel for a second and just look at how easy it is for people to hate Jews universally. There is so much that you can look at and just see the bias in the media regardless

of what's happening. So if you look at it, just in the news cycles since Saturday, most of the papers and our American TV affiliates have come out and called these terrorists. who rape babies, who are behead babies and raped teenagers, militants. Well, I'm sorry, a militant is someone who fights in a war, okay? A terrorist is a terrorist is a criminal who goes out and tries to spread fear by destroying what we hold dear, our loved ones, the fabric of our society, fearing their safety and their ability to live without being terrorized, without being raped, without being beheaded, without being mutilated, without being burned.

That's a terrorist. That's not a militant. However, if you look at every story the AP is put out that is carried by every other newspaper in the United States, and in England, in the United Kingdom, by the BBC, we call them militants. Why is that? Well, that's to water down what they do. Yeah, water down terrorists. Yeah.

And to give them credibility as freedom. Now, again, why do you think these mainstream media outlets are doing that? I think that's a deeper question. Look at the people that have supported Hamas in the past. There are groups throughout the world who have supported terrorists. who are mainstream. The former Prime Minister of Great Britain supported Hamas. Our president has, I think, mistakenly, tried to engage Hamas as the political side of

Hamas by restoring aid to Gaza. Now, humanitarian aid, I'm all about. People got to eat. I don't want anybody to starve. I don't want anybody to be mistreated. But when the terrorists take the aid and they use that to build their terrorist army to kill Jews, that's... And so I don't necessarily blame the president, but I think that's a failed policy because no one understands that these are extremists that aren't going to change. And you talking about this, they have been training well before what happened Saturday.

They have been training for at least a year because I saw training videos where they had these parachutes in these like doom buggy looking things. And they're practicing coming down to the land and shooting and shooting targets and stuff. This is not like this is a well-planned organization that happened Saturday. Yeah. Well, and I would I would tell you that it takes a lot of money to do this. And there's not a lot of money in Gaza. So Hamas uses money that they get from support from other countries. And let's talk about that for a minute.

Yeah. Where do you think most of their supports coming from? Well, Hamas, like His Balas, is another terrorist organization in Lebanon. And His Bala has been around a lot longer and has done a lot of damage to the Lebanese people. In fact, they were born out of and continued the Civil War in Lebanon and took Americans hostage in the 80s. So, Hizbollah is, yeah, so Hizbollah is primarily funded just like Hamas by the Islam.

Islamic Republic of Iran. Now, Iran, before 1979, was an economic powerhouse. It was westernized in the Middle East, and there was an uprising. And this fellow named Khomeini led a revolution from France, from Paris, because he was he was sent away from Iran. And you'll probably remember the Iranians took over the American embassy in Tehran. Right. And they took all the hostages and all that stuff.

They took Americans hostage. Well, hostage taking, I mean, this is not new. Hostage taking is a very old thing, both in the Middle East and in the Middle East and in Europe, everybody in war would take hostages. And so what do you do in the in the olden days when someone took a hostage? You would surround the castle, right? You would lay a siege to it and you would starve the people in the castle until your hostages were freed.

It seems to me that that might be what Israel is thinking. Look, if you return hostages, then we can start talking about ceasefires. But when you have the media and some American leaders come out and say, all right, you've killed all the terrorists inside your country, it's time for a ceasefire. it really it really reeks of Jewish hatred and that's where I would I would take a lot of umbrage with I think that if you're if you're thinking oh we need a ceasefire right right now I mean I don't remember the Europeans or the Israelis coming out and telling the United States you need a ceasefire on September 11th you said right because you cut out for two seconds

September 11th oh okay yeah yeah yeah not 11 it happened okay it's over it's now it's a new day September 12th let's go back to normal uh that's not how that works and Bob have yeah sorry sorry sorry um let me let me and you're so right Bob about that You just don't stop and say, okay, let's just stop this war. We're not going to retaliate or do any of these things. No, because they're going to keep doing it. I mean, yeah, then they know that they can continue to this. They get support, whatever.

But Bob, let me, I'm going to say this because I, and I'm not going to say anything about, like, I'm just saying I know that you have a knowledge or history on why I'm asking this question. That's all I'm saying. How worried are you about the? American border. And the reason I say this is that we have had endless and countless people coming across our American border every day. We're talking about, you know, we have over 75,000 people per month, if not more in some cases, that are coming across our border from countries all around the world. And on only that, there's a gentleman that actually has a Twitter account YouTube, and

There's many of these, right? They go and actually talk to some of these people that are crossing. Over 75,000 what they call special interest aliens have been released into this country. Special interest aliens have ties to terrorists and the various organizations, including Hamas. Although the media does not want to tell you that, but there are Hamas members and people from Palestine and people that hate America. We're talking not just about Hamas or Palestine. We're talking about Iran. We're talking about Afghanistan and Iraq.

And as you remember, you just touched on 9-11 and then 9-12, which was, who's going to call for a ceasefire? No, we didn't obviously call for a ceasefire. America came together. And not only did America come together, the American government said we're going to release these threat levels, which are green, I believe it's green, yellow, red, orange, maybe, or green, orange, red, whatever. But we also attacked. We attacked where the terrorists were. And we did not stop, no matter what. Yeah, you're right.

But so we went from having a terrorist threat level in the event that terrorists from other countries might be slipping through our airline systems to now having a wide open border. And, you know, there's a guy that literally goes and interviews people as they're coming across. Many of these are not Hispanic. They're not from Nicaragua or from Honduras or some of these places. Nicaragua. Yeah, Nicaragua. A lot of these people are from the Middle East. A lot of these people are from Iran.

A lot of these people from Iraq and Afghanistan. Yeah, they're coming from everywhere. But how worried are you about America? Because could America not be the next Israel in this same situation, but on a much larger scale? Well, let me preface that by saying this. I am very pro-immigration. I am the grandson of an immigrant. I am in part, now part of the...

Part of my family came on the Mayflower, but my grandfather came to Russia. And, yeah, I think, you know, immigration is the heart and soul of the United States. Legal immigration, right? I am not a fan of illegal immigration for that reason. Now, I'm an immigration attorney. I practiced immigration law for a long time. I had a lot of clients who, and I defund. defended them and kept them in the United States legally after they entered.

Now, and I've helped families bring their family to the United States and having to wait six or seven years for a visa to come available. So out of a sense of fairness, I believe that, It punishes the people that want to come to this country the right way to open up the borders and let anybody come in. Now, you bring up a point that I think the CIA started tracking even before 9-11 that our borders have always been porous, and have always been loose. and there has always been this concern, not necessarily from the Middle East, but from all over the world,

that cells could infiltrate the United States. There have been movies about it. There have been TV shows about it. It's not a new concept. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how effective those cells could be if they exist.

You have to remember, though, that the 19 terrorists from 9-11 came into the United States, I believe, on mostly student visas. So, you know, do you really need to come through the border illegally? And they didn't. And they killed, you know, 3,000 people.

So I don't know if it's if it's necessarily the border. I think it's our duty just like it. And I don't want to start challenging the Israeli intelligence community yet. But there were mistakes that were made. I think purposely for some reason. And there were mistakes that were made by the Americans in 9-11. We had tremendous failures. in intelligence, gathering, and communication.

Many of that, much of that, was resolved by President Bush through a lot of changes. President Bush issued Executive Order 5, where he created the National Emergency Management System and created this entire incident command system that firemen and police and soldiers and hospitals and teachers and everybody needs to know how to interact during an emergency and how we can be in charge of handling an emergency or disaster. So, I mean, we've grown from that. And I think that, you know, some of some of what came out of 9-11 has made the intelligence services a lot better. And Bob, and Bob, I will, I do want to, I do want to mention this. I know you're saying a lot of things there, which I somewhat agree with, but I also know. I agree with.

Yeah, but I also know that there were, you know, 9-11, you know, terrorist members that, were connected to CIA before they ever entered the United States or FBI. I mean, that's actually documented now. And listen, I understand that, and by the way, for everyone listening, you obviously know that Bob is 100% not a conspiracy theorist, right? He is, I think you're going to know that. So whatever he's going to say is going to, you know. It's going to be factual.

Well, factual to what he believes to be, right? And so there's going to be people to disagree with him on this, on certain aspects, this, especially with some of the lead-ups to 9-11. But in particular, I guess, you know, as you said, yes, our border has been porous before, but we also, like even, and I'm not going to go crazy deep into politics, but, you know, Trump was 100% campaigning against illegal immigration. He did a lot of bills that were signing a place to deport, you know, stay in Mexico. A lot of these bills, not only trying to build a border wall, all these things that basically

wasn't saying that, you know, hey, we are perfect, but we're at least telling the people that we are, this is not what we want. And we don't need to come. Yeah. We have closed borders. And if you want to enter our country, you got to do it legally. Yeah. And I think that's a big difference. And now that we have Biden and we have open borders, everything is changed.

Yes, I do believe there's a massive difference of Biden. I think we have wide open borders. every single thing the administration does is in basically solidarity with anyone that wants to come in from around the world. And I believe there is a stark difference between the Trump administration, the Biden administration. And personally, I believe that this administration is putting every single American at risk in dire risk. Oh, for terrorists is what you're talking about. For terrorism, absolutely. And that's how you're getting on this subject.

Yes. And what we saw with Israel can easily happen in the United States. when this guy was interviewing these people coming across the border from Middle Eastern countries, from China, from Africa, from wherever, and many of these people that are special interest groups that have been notoriously tied to terrorism, you know, when this guy's going up to ask all these hundreds and hundreds of people that are walking across, where are you going? Atlanta, New York, Charlotte, Los Angeles, Chicago. It's just an never-ending thing. So although I understand what you're saying, like how, how.

How defined can they get? Well, these people are showing up with money cards from the United States government to where they have money on this card and phones and you name it. Like, it just makes zero sense to me considering, you know, when we've talked about Hamas, we've talked about Iran and these people in Palestine even that hate America. They hate Americans. They hate Christians very much like they hate Jews. and if the example that we just saw this past Saturday about how people can truly hate religious or ideological people, whether it be Jewish or Christian or Americans or the West or whatever,

I think we've seen how far groups can go. And that's just from Palestine to Israel. But imagine a- You're saying that could happen here. Imagine a wide-open border where you can let anyone and everyone across the world in that hates your country, hates Americans, they hate Christians, and I'm not saying all of them, I'm just saying, you're letting everyone in. I mean, does that not scare you a little bit, Bobby?

Well, I think you've hit the nail kind of on the head, and this is where I would suggest you probably steer your investigation. I mean, you guys do a great job at investigating all these theories and conspiracies and, you Things that are just happening in the world, and your listeners are able to learn a lot from this. And this might be a new episode for you to talk about it because it doesn't really, I think, have anything to do with Israel and Hamas. But let me say this. And I'm going to play devil's advocate for a second. So first, when I was an immigration lawyer, I saw a lot of suffering. There are people that are coming from other countries.

Like I represented people that came from Sierra Leone during a Civil War where my clients watched their family members be beheaded just like terrorists from Khamas on bridges in Sierra and during a Civil War. So, I mean, unfortunately, human beings can float to the side of evil very quickly, right? And so when you have someone that comes to the United States, I think you have to, and we've talked before about this, not on your show, but this concept that you can't really negotiate with somebody or make a deal with somebody or really live with somebody until you see something from their side of the fence. until you have their perspective, it's really hard to understand what makes them go, right? So understand that I've helped a lot of families come to the United States, both legally and they entered without paperwork,

or they entered and overstayed their visas. Same thing. And there are laws that allow them to try and adjust their status after that. So I don't criticize those people. Most of the people that I met in my practice were trying to run away from real and actual terror from the countries they came from. Now, the nail that you hit, having that said, I feel for the people that are here in the United States that have come to the United States. Like, for instance, what do you do about the children? that were carried across the border 20 years ago and have only known this place.

I had a client. Right. Well, I had a client that came from Vietnam with his family and was about to be deported after 25 years. It had never, outside of being like a six-month-old kid, had never known what it was like to be in Vietnam. Could you imagine being deported to Vietnam, not being able to speak much of the language and having nobody there to help you, no contacts? What do you do? I mean, that's really a hard thing to think of. So I think you have to look at the perspective of the people that are here and maybe try and understand it from their point of view.

Okay. So we've got to be humane to the people that are here and understand what their plight is. I'm not saying let's not shut down the border, but I am saying the people that are here, we've got to be, and that's why they have money cards, right? Because they got to eat. They have cell phones so they can,

you can't live in the United States today without a cell phone, right? Even if you're, even if you're homeless, there are programs for people to get a cell phone. So that's not out of the ordinary. And that does not have a cell phone. Yeah.

Here's where you hit the nail on the head. And this is, I think the bigger concern. Instead of necessarily terrorists, although that could be a thing. And I'll tell you, before 9-11, I gave a speech to a political group in 2000, I think in 2000. And I talked about Osama bin Laden because he was mentioned in a security brief that was published by the CIA to the public. so that it wasn't news

and I talked about that and if memory serves correctly there was concerns about the border being porous so that it could allow someone to come and attack that's an old theory so and even under President Trump when the borders were locked down we still had

people that were coming across so there's more work to be done there okay so that's the first thing but here's the nail on the head and I keep mentioning this. What we are seeing are cartels in, primarily in Mexico, that have been feeding each other. I have a lot of friends in Mexico. I used to do business in Mexico.

And my friends who are very successful, who live in towns like Monterey, the most, probably the most opulent city in Mexico. had seen gun fights in the middle of the street in front of Technico, the most prestigious university in Mexico, because cartels are fighting each other over the drug trade. And so... Well, not only the drug trade, but like getting people across the border. Yeah. Well, why are they getting people across the border?

It's because they're carrying, they're forced to carry drugs for the cartels. Right. And those drugs are getting in to our country, primarily from the southern border, some from Canada, some from being shipped in, right? But, you know, the drugs of choice now, methamphetamine, heroin, fentanyl, a lot of it comes from outside of the United States. China in particular with fentanyl, especially. It's correct. And that is what, if you want to talk about conspiracies, right, if you wanted to destroy a country to be successful, I mean, you just saw an attack on Israel, right? Before that attack, the political atmosphere in Israel was fractured where Jews were writing about civil war.

I mean, that's amazing to me, that Jews were talking about civil war because of political differences. Sounds familiar, right? And a day after a terrorist attack, the two leaders of Israel that were debating each other at each other's throat, if you will, symbolically, have formed an emergency unity government. That says something, right? That says something. So if you attack a country from the outside, they will come together. And just like on 9-11, when the United States suffered that horrific attack, the United States came together. Neighbors checked on each other and flags flew everywhere.

And we were one people and everybody cheered when we started attacking Afghanistan. and when Osama bin Laden was killed, there were celebrations in the streets, right? And fireworks. Well, they're different from when you want to take down a country. The jihadist terrorists from 9-11, al-Qaeda and the Taliban, failed to take down the United States. And what happened?

A world of pain. fell on Afghanistan in elsewhere because of it. Now, if you want to look in history and see how you can destroy a country, look at Rome. Rome is probably the best teacher of how an empire, which I would say the United States and the European Union, are pretty much like imperial war without the lack of morality that Romans had. but if you were to destroy an empire, how would you do it? Not by attacking the gates. Not from within.

You would be from within. But how do you do it from within? You've got to get the people to destroy themselves. Yeah. And how do you destroy Americans? Well, you can conquer and divide. Divide and conquer. And drugs.

So why we have Chinese. Russians and Iranians sending propaganda through Facebook about everything you can think of, right? That makes us want to hate each other, just like the Israelis were hating each other and we're about to have the Civil War. But now add on a horrific drug that will kill you if you have more than three grains of it. Yeah, if you even touch it in some cases, you can die. The cops experience that's all on. So if I were going to suspect a conspiracy, that's the conspiracy I would suspect. All right.

Because it has been engaged in every recreational drug. Why? Because it's an opiate. It's like heroin. That's much more dangerous. That's what Michael Jackson died of. It is much more dangerous, but it's also much more addictive. So if you put a little fat on your marijuana or a little.

little fentanyl in your methamphetamine or a little fentanyl in your cocaine, you're going to want it more than you normally would. And so if you survive. If you know about that. And I think that's a problem, though, with these drugs that are going on the streets. People don't know if it's laced with fentanyl or not. That's exactly right. Last year, there was a 13-year-old boy in our community that overdosed on fentanyl.

He didn't know. He's doing drugs. He didn't know he was using fentanyl and he died in his bathroom with his parents' home. So, yeah, you want to talk about conspiracies. You want to talk about the dangers from the border? That's the danger. And I want to mention this too because I got like seven points here. That is some of the things you said because I got to bring him up because obviously our listener is going to be like, why would you not say this if he said this?

But I only have two minutes. So go ahead. Well, no, you're good. So as you said, a lot of these... Chad, you have two minutes. Well, I can probably do this in two minutes. A lot of these people that are running from, you know, that are coming across the border, they're running from tyranny or terrorist or horrific conditions.

But guess who's also running across the border with them? Well, it's those same people that are oppressing them. Those same terrorists, those same evil people that they are running from are coming across the border with them into our country. Oh, we have to pay them to get them over. or they have to pay them, meaning money and rape. Sorry. Go ahead, babe. I'm not going to interrupt anymore.

I'm sorry. No, but anyway, so that was my point. It's like a lot of these people that these people are running from, they're coming across the border with them. You also have talked about Trump's border. I don't think personally, and actually, statistically, if you look at it, I don't think that the Trump border was even close to what we've seen the past three years with the Biden administration.

I mean, you're talking about the most amount of people across this border in three years than we've ever seen in the history of the United States or America. And it's not even that. It's like we've had supposedly, quote unquote, 200 terror watchless suspects or people, even though if you look at COVID, we're not even going to get into COVID, but the amount, the amount they kind of scrutinize and try to kind of make up numbers on a lot of things. I don't believe, I don't even believe the amount of people that they say we've caught come across the border. I think, you know, understanding that everyone around this world hates America as bad as they do, because they do, I mean, we talked about earlier, there's no way these people are not boarding planes to get to one of these countries to come across the border, you know, of Mexico. To do the same thing that they're doing to Israel right now.

Yes. Now, I do agree with you, too. Like, you know, cartels are dangerous, right? We've always known that in Mexico. We've seen cartels actions. Actually, the cartel, they just released a video. today in Mexico to where they're talking about a purge.

If some of you that have seen the movies, the purge, cartels have made videos, they actually just released them today to where they're talking about they're going to go on a purge and kill all these people. And that's worrisome. But I

think even more worrisome than the cartels, although I believe law enforcement across the country, and I know that law enforcement across the country is already dealing with cartels and the problems that they are that they, this amassing in the United States because of that, but it's just only going to get worse.

And not only is the cartel problem going to get worse, you're going to have people across the world that hate America that is going to make this thing even more complex, even more, you know, whatever. One of the things you had mentioned earlier, I don't think you mentioned this in,

in the form of you want me to respond to this necessarily, but I'm going to because you had mentioned part of Israel's history, getting back to Israel, was that it was a process, prosperous place, right? This was somewhere that people wanted to be. As Israel built it, people wanted to be there, and then there was a fight over this in some ways, right? And then as people infiltrated Israel, it became a fight for Israel, which is kind of somewhat what we're seeing. Now, you can look at this from the standpoint of they hate Jewish people, which may be the case,

right? And I think predominantly that is a lot of that. But, you know, I also think they're using the land battle the we're, you know, oppressed battle where all of these things in, in it... Who's the weir? Well, Palestinians, Muslim, whatever, Hamas, okay? Right.

Just to be, you know, politically correct. They're using the whole land thing and on all these things as just an excuse to exterminate or attempt to exterminate Jewish people. And I hate to say this, but I mean, we're seeing this in the United States as well now. I mean, there is a group of people in the United States that it is okay to hate now.

And I'm not going to go too deep into politics on this. Well, we've got to go back to people in the government, actually, and people that are in our universities around our country. Yeah. Talking about hate. There's hate everywhere. You see it all over the TV. You see people protesting. You see people like pro-Hamas, pro-Israel, and fighting against each other in the streets all over the world.

Yeah, and I think this is a problem that has happening in the United States. Americans right now are being radicalized, period. Regardless of whatever side you take, they are being radicalized. There is a very, very vast difference in beliefs and opinions and literally even opinions that people would fight and die for, potentially. I mean, that's the scary part, right? And you see this with Palestinians and Israelis, right? Or Hamas and Israelians. and Jewish and whatever.

But we're seeing this around the world. We're seeing this in our own United States. And then you have, and I understand you don't want to go crazy deep in all the border thing, but I'm just telling you, you know, even although, yes, you have defended people as far as immigration goes, immigration and just letting any and everyone in across our border on a daily basis is a very scary thing. People are very worried. And this could very well what happened in Israel. or will happen to the United States tomorrow tomorrow.

I mean, and although we may be, I guess, somewhat sadly used to school shootings or mass shootings or whatever the case may be, I don't know. I mean, what happens when you have 10,000 people in Atlanta and 10,000 people in New York and 10,000 people in Chicago that hate America. And they are organizing because they have these phones that are non-trackable. These are the people that are coming through the border. Like there's honestly people going from all over the world to Mexico just across our border. Yeah. It's not just immigrants. Yeah.

It's people using this to get away with it to go across our borders. Absolutely. And so the same thing when we talk about Palestinian versus Hamas, right? We're talking very similar to people that are innocent that are crossing our border, although technically not innocent because you are crossing illegally. Yeah, you're doing it illegally. but, you know, when you have, like, people that are really trying to get away from their countries because they want a better life and their country sucks. Yeah.

You know, I get that. But at the same time, you're going to have terrorists that are also crossing your border. They're going to utilize that sympathy card for mostly the left in the United States to say, oh, well, we got to let everyone in because they're fleeing oppression. They're fleeing this. And very similarly to Hamas, where they say, oh, if you attack, if you attack Palestine, because we just murdered all kinds of people in your country, then you're attacking civilians, right?

Oh, you're civilians. It's the same thing we're seeing in America. They're saying, oh, no, if you don't let everyone in, you're racist. They're running from oppression, and I can't believe that you don't want these people across our borders. But no, we're not saying that we don't want people that are fleeing oppression and fleeing tyranny across their borders. You've got to still do it legally.

But they're using the racism card and the oppression card and all these things to the benefit of terrorists. And I'm not saying they, I'm saying the terrorists are using that. terrorists are hiding behind the people that actually need to get away from their countries. Absolutely. And the same exact thing has happened in Palestine. Right. They're hiding behind the people.

They're not letting the people leave Palestine. So if they get bombed or murdered or whatever, the people are going to. They're using them as their front card. Yeah, yeah. So anyways, Bobby, I don't know. There's no question there. just kind of my thoughts on that. I...

Well, look. Yeah. I'll try me in. And I'll make it real brief. Here's, here's... I mean, you mentioned the race card and, look, I am not one to be able to say, to judge another person's experience based on their race, creed, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation. we've all have challenges and different people face harder challenges based upon where and how they were born.

Now, if you look at the history of the United States and the history of immigration, I told you that my grandfather came on a boat. There were other grandfathers that try to come on boats that were turned away. Why? Because they were Jewish. there are other people that were Japanese that were turned away. Why? Because they were Japanese. There are other people, I mean, throughout the history of the United States, our immigration has been based on race. And originally, if you look at every group that's coming to the United States, they've

faced some kind of either race-based, religion-based, or ethnic-based. problem that they had to overcome, right? So we had Irish immigrants during this, the potato. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry, sorry. Sorry. Besides the terrorists that are coming through that we don't know about. Well, well, I'm just saying there is reason for people to talk about race and immigration

because historically the United States has, has, has, govern their immigration based upon race. But I don't think this has anything to do with the race. I literally think even if everyone coming across the border from other countries is white, we still don't know who they are. Well, and to that point, I agree with you. And I think if you really wanted to resolve this problem, if you were the president or you were in Congress,

instead of just opening the borders, you would finally come up with legislation that addresses the broken immigration system. And that, frankly, is, that's on both parties. The Democrats and the Republicans have had the opportunity to fix this problem for the last 50 years.

It was, I mean, 1986, Ronald Reagan passed the Nationalization and Immigration Act. And that's really the last meaningful reform we've had to immigration. And since then, there has no one been brave enough from either party to resolve it legislatively. And so if you really want to call out the people that are responsible, that's, I think, where the call out is. Our legislators just don't have the courage to fix it. For sure.

Bob, and one last thing. I want to ask one question. So you're saying Reagan was the only one that had courage enough to try to go after this situation, I guess. Ronald Reagan helped was the president that signed the act to help reform immigration. And it also gave amnesty, which we've been talking about for the last 10 years. It gave amnesty to the people that were already in the United States based upon certain parameters. So that's an old thing. And that Ronald Reagan, I mean, the leader of Republicans, probably the most famous leader of Republicans until Donald Trump came forward.

So that's, and there's been a flip-flop on immigration between the parties. So it's really interesting. If you look politically, there's a lot that you can learn from immigration and the politics that surround it. And there is so much that in our history, we have to be ashamed of. And that's where I try to be real careful when we talk about open borders. Right. Because I know that I've helped people. I mean, I've helped people from Europe.

They came across the Mexican border. I've helped people, I mean, from all over the world. And that's before they were open, right? So, and even before that, the easy way to stay in the United States was to get a traveler visa, a three-month to six-month visa. You could stay for three months and extended an additional three months. And then after that, you just stayed. And if you got caught, then well, then you'd either get deported or you can try and change your status by getting married or something else or claim that you're requesting. amnesty.

So I want to ask you a question, Bob. Yeah. You talking about all this stuff and you're talking about, like, we're talking about political, like, stances and stuff. Do you think political stances have, like, gone the other way? Like, Republicans had gone where liberals were and, you know, I was saying, did they switch, did they switch roles? Yeah, because, you know, Democrats used to have.

hate, you used to hate big government. Now, now Republicans do and vice versa. Yeah. And there have been political shifts among the parties. Definitely. Okay. Okay. I just curious. All right. So, Bob, this is a lot. Sorry, go ahead. And I'll just make this final. I think we're running out of time, but I'll make this final point. To your, to your remark about the division and the radicalization of Americans, I don't think you're completely. off the mark there. I think we've seen this before in our history. And at times it's led to growth and other times it's led to destruction. And we have cyclical periods in our history where we've had this kind of division before. The key is, and the thing that we have to start preaching, is we have to learn to listen to each other. Right. Well, we might hear each other, but we don't necessarily listen.

Yep. And that's what made this country great, is that my ideas were honed by your arguments. I, my concepts, my thoughts were polished like a stone through your tongue. And we don't do that anymore. No, we just say, I'm right, you're wrong. Right. And I don't care what you believe. Yeah.

either side. And that, I think, is the failure of the fabric that holds us together as a union. Absolutely. Now, I agree. So, Bob, last thing, and we're going to wrap us up. And we're going to quick fire this. But I have to bring this up because, you know, I don't know. Some people hate when I bring up religion. They absolutely hate it. And we're not going to go into a deep conversation. Well, we haven't at all, really. But the Bible contains various references to Israel, right? And the war. in the end times. Now, I know that technically, and I could be wrong about this, but I don't think Jewish believe necessarily in a rapture similarly to Christians

or the end times. Yeah, all of that. But it's primarily found in the Old Testament, right? The prophetic books like Ezekiel, Daniel, and Zachariah, as well as in a New Testament, which is obviously in the book of Revelations. And it's important to note

that interpretation of these passages can vary obviously between people and religions and so on. But the reason I am bringing these things up, because let's start with Christians, right? Let's start with the Christian Bible, King James Version, which partly is also the Jewish Bible, which is the Old Testament. Restoration of Israel, right? And we're talking specifically about Israel and war. Restoration of Israel. Many prophecies in the Old Testament speak of restoration of Israel in the end times. The restoration is often seen as the re-gathering of the Jewish people to the land of Israel.

Conflict of war, some prophecies depict conflicts and wars involving Israel with various nations coming against Israel. This is very important because right now even, we're talking about we have other countries that are just yesterday. We had Syria that were apparently firing rockets towards Israel. We have Iran, which is back in Hamas, which is Palestinians. We have various surrounding nations that are coming against Israel. This is something that Bob had mentioned earlier.

But the Battle of Gog and Magog, as described in Ezekiel 38 through 39, is one such example. Jerusalem, for example. Jerusalem is a central focus in many in-time prophecies. It is often mentioned as a place of conflict and as a key location in God's final plans. Second coming of Christ, the New Testament, especially the Book of Revelation, speaks of the return of Jesus Christ in end times. and this event is associated with the ultimate victory over evil and the establishment of God's kingdom.

Millennium, some interpretation, suggests a thousand-year reign of Christ on earth, which is a.k.a. the millennium, following the end-time events. Now, we talk about the Torah, right? So certainly, there are examples or biblical patches in the Torah related to Israel and war in the end times. Zachariah 12-3-9, the passage speaks of Jerusalem being a cup of reeling and a burdensome stone to all surrounding nations

and how God will protect Jerusalem. This is the Torah. Zachariah 14, the chapter describes a future day when the nations will gather against Jerusalem, but the Lord will come to save his people. It also mentions a final battle. This is also in the Torah. Joel 3, the chapter talks about the gathering of the nations in the valley of Jehoshaphat. Sorry, Bob's probably like that you said they're wrong.

But anyways, where God will execute judgment. It includes a description of warfare and God's intervention. Matthew 24 in the New Testament. This is a New Testament now. Jesus disciples ask him about the end times, and he discusses signs and tribulations. The chapter also includes references to false messiahs, wars in Israel, and natural disasters. And then as we go into and then as we go into Revelation, the chapter in the book of Revelation describes the pouring out of bowls of God's wrath, leading to intense conflicts and

cataclysmic events, including a Battle of Armageddon. In Genesis 1518, in this passage, God makes a covenant with Abraham promising him and his descendants, the land from the Nile to the Euphrates River, the promise is often seen as a key element of God's plan for Israel. This is on the Torah. Deuteronomy, in this section of Deuteronomy, Moses speaks of the future time when the Israelites will return to the Lord and be restored to their land, even if they have been scattered to the ends of the earth,

which we've kind of talked a little bit about that. And then also Genesis 49 and Jacob's blessing to his sons. There are elements in some interpretations in which a, I guess, an eschatological context comes about. For example, the blessings of Judah to Genesis. 4910 mentions the Sceptor, not departing from Judah, Judah until shallow comes, which has been associated with some in the Jewish religion as a Messiah figure.

But this is kind of my last thing. It's like why, you know, Christian religion, right? Obviously, mostly the Christian religion, I guess, bases a lot of stuff on the New Testament. Jewish often bases everything on the Old Testament. And Revelations. That's a new testament as well. No, that's the last part of the Bible. Yeah, that's a New Testament, though.

and then and then Jewish is you know the Old Testament why is it though that in your opinion that Christianity and Jewish have so much in common but yet so much differences okay well um sorry you're good uh actually wait here let me break that down even more like because that was that was very elaborate you just read like 15, 20 things from the Bible and the Torah. But listen, but what the point of that is Christians and Jewish also, I think they both want to protect. Jews, not Jewish, or Jews. They want to protect Israel, right? And so what is the significance of that? Well, I mean, so we're both, we're both consider ourselves children of God, right? So there's certainly that basis.

Look, I don't, my personal belief, and this is my personal belief, I'm not a rabbi, not a priest, I'm not a imam, but I can tell you what I believe, okay? So the only thing I can do is limit God in my own mind, but God is unlimited, right? So I can try and define, I can try and capsulize, I can try and say, this is how the relationship. relationship supposed to be, but I'm not in charge of that. If God's omnipresent, omnipotent, all-powerful, in omniscient, all-knowing, then I have no way of defining that relationship with God. I have to seek God with how I feel it works, right? So because I'm Jewish.

In other words, faith. You have to have faith in God. You have to have faith, but beyond faith, just because I have faith in the Tanakh and the Holy Bible for Jews, doesn't mean that Christians can't have a relationship with God too. It doesn't mean that Muslims can't have a relationship with God too. It doesn't mean that Hindus, and you name whatever religion you want, because God is everywhere, everything, everywhere, every time, right? Yeah.

At least the concept of God. And so I can't say you're wrong and I'm right or you're right and I'm wrong because that's trying to limit what God is. And I can't do that. So, but beyond that, I am a little bit of a Bible scholar. And so I can tell you that, you know, you're talking about Ezekiel who, who, you remember I started out this show talking about. about the history of Israel, when Judeo was conquered by the Babylonians.

Well, Ezekiel was born in Jerusalem, and he was part of that exile to Babylon. And when he writes, he's writing with that perspective. Remember, I told you you got to have the perspective for the people that you're thinking about, regardless of what you're doing, if you're negotiating, or if you're communicating or you're trying to understand them, well you have to have the perspective of the profits when they're writing. Likewise, I think you were talking about Zachariah, he too was shortly after the exile to return from exile. So if you study the profits, when I say study, I think you have to read each profit and really go into detail both what they're saying, what the undercurrent is, and what their history is. When are they writing it?

So, Zachariah, he's writing about the return to Israel after the exile, after we've been living with Babylonians and taking on Babylonian customs. And now, hey, we've got to shake that off and be Jews again because we've forgotten how to do that because we haven't lived in our land for 70 years. And he also talks about, by the way, that nations around Israel will come against or will come against Jerusalem. Right. And does that not sound like what is happening? Now, I know you've said historically context, like, as far as this has happened a lot, but I mean, how is this different, you know? Well, and that's the, that's the interesting thing about our shared history religiously, because Christians and Jews kind of rely on the same sources, right? if you look at all the prophets and all the undercurrents of the Bible,

where it's the original Tanakh or the New Testament, every time you read it, it changes the meaning based upon the time and the place you live. Because we're looking at it from our perspective at this time and this place. but I'll guarantee you, if you read it in the year 70, when the Romans were marching at the gate, you were thinking, oh, this is what they were talking about. Those Romans are coming to get us. We've got to repent.

We've got to start praying. We've got to change our ways. Otherwise, we're going to all go down, and they did, right? But if you read it in 515 B.C.E, different perspective. You read it in the 1700s, different perspective. If you read it today, we always have, in my opinion, and this is probably more psychological-based than religion-based, but in my opinion, you always have a personal perspective on everything around you that it's hard to get away from. Well, it's like you have a connection with the Bible or the Torah from something of your own experience or your schema or you know. you're exactly sure.

Your interpretation is based on your experience as a human being. That's all it is. And so if you're a preacher in a church, I mean, I'm not telling anybody how to do stuff, but you can look at it many different ways. Here's the thing I would tell you. And this is what my tradition teaches me. You need to look for what the real meaning is

and see how you can change yourself to be better. Yeah, you're right. And I think that's a great, like, right there. How can I change myself to be better to fit this universe or to fit this world or to fit this state or to fit my job or to fit my anything? If you put that in, you know, how can I change myself to be better in this blah? Yeah. It makes a big difference. And that's really what Jewish people believe.

I can't change you. I can only change me. Yeah. And, you know, one of the things we've done in this podcast for five years is, you know, we've, I'll be honest with you. Or at least me. And I think Shirk has as well. We've been back and forth to religion. I grew up Christian.

I believe a lot of prophecy and biblical things. But I also struggle. And we make that very public. and we have, you know, throughout five years. Well, I think we have too because of the Christian religion. To me, I feel like anyone that is close to me is a Christian and they believe in Jesus is the only way to salvation. That's the only way to heaven. Yeah, I don't get that.

I don't like that. Well, there is that. But what I'm saying is for our podcast purposes, though, we've always been very open. We've always, you know, we've always made very clear. that, you know, we don't have all the answers. I don't think anybody does. I think, you know, religion or just what you believe in is faith-based, and you get to believe in that.

And, you know, when the time comes, we, all of us individually will know what the truth was, I feel, right, or whatever the case is. But, you know, I don't ever condemn people for believing what they believe, whether you don't believe in God at all or you believe in the craziest things, right? But I think as long as you're believing in God in a higher power and you're, you're practicing and what you feel like God should make you practice in or he wants you to practice in, if that means being a servant or, you know, being anything else that God is telling you to be, I think that's ultimately what all religions, you know, say that God wants you to do is to be his servant.

Yeah, for sure. Bob, do you, last little question. I promise this is the last question. We're done. do you feel like this israel thing Israel with with Hamas and then obviously consider in Russia and you know you got Ukraine situation going on it just seems like there are fires everywhere around this world right now do you believe that the Israel conflict

could be just another escalation to a World War III Oh yeah well I mean you mentioned earlier that I'm not a conspiracy theorist And I don't think I am, but you would have to be, you would have to be pretty naive not to understand that there are certain threats that exist in the world today. There are, there are, there are so many political things that happen around us that we ignore, that could have an influence on our life in a major way. and it's that ignorance that shields us from considering what could happen. So that's a fancy way of saying yes.

I think things could fall apart very quickly. You've got little alliances that have occurred that could really make things very difficult for many people in the world. Russia is now aligned with China. Iran is aligned with China and Russia. Yes. And that's so scary because we have Russia, China, in Iran, or Iran or whatever, together. So it's basically United States and Israel against these three powerful counties.

Potentially. Our countries, yeah. Yeah. And then you've got everybody else that has been, manipulated either by that alliance or by us, right? So, I mean, look, Europe has been an American-centric union since World War II. We've certainly had a great deal of influence on Europe. No one can argue that.

NATO is European-based. You know, there are only a couple of countries that are Turkey, arguably, it's not in Europe. But if you look at China, they are very sophisticated in building their power structure. They have gone through and they have invested mainly with American money that was made by manufacturing for American products that you and I bought at every store because we want to decent products at a cheap price, right? And so China stepped up and we're able to manufacture goods at a cheaper price because they paid their people less. They use that money to build things like ports all around the world. And they control those ports because that's the deal.

I'll build a deep water port for you, but I get to run the port. And that's what the Chinese did. So now if you want to ship something, even the United States, China has invested in building ports. So if you're going to ship something in Latin America, you're shipping goods into a Chinese port in Latin America. The same thing has happened in Europe between China and the Europeans. where China is now building a road, used to be the Silk Road, you know, more than a thousand years ago. And now China is building a road to get commerce into Europe. They're paying for it.

The Europeans will benefit from being able to get products from China faster, quicker, and cheaper, because it now costs a lot of money to ship things over the Pacific. And so when you have all these tentacles in Africa, South America, Europe, you start ending up with a lot of control. And then when our allies are asked to join us, but they are dominated by China, it's difficult for them to do what's right. And so that changes things. We used to do that with American aid. We've kind of stopped doing that as much, and now China has kind of replaced us. Even President Obama, he used this concept of using Iran as a counterbalance to Saudi Arabia.

And that's why our relationships with the Saudis went down when President Obama was in power, because he didn't want the United States to be involved in another Middle Eastern War. We were fighting in Iraq and fighting in Afghanistan, and he didn't want us to go to war again for things that weren't American problems. I don't know if I completely disagree with that. A lot of people died, and a lot of people got hurt. A lot of American treasure and American blood was spilled in Iraq and Afghanistan and around those areas. But unfortunately, he missed, in my opinion, he misanalyzed the Iranians. He thought that the moderates in Iran could come to power and overcome the Mullahs and become a member, a good member of the international community.

And the problem is, I don't think there are any moderates in Iran. And so that was a, I think that was a huge mistake. And if you asked why they sent all that money and started the negotiations with the nuclear, nuclear programming Iran to try and prevent that from going forward, I think that's the reason is because they were trying to negotiate with moderates to try and bring Iran to the table of nations. and there just aren't a lot of moderates there. And so instead, you've got billions of dollars that were funneled into terrorist organizations to do what? To kill the greatest enemy that the Iranian, the Islamic Republic of Iran, not the Iranian people, the Islamic Republic of Iran had, as stated in 1979, when they overthrew the Shah, the downfall of the United States. United States and the destruction of Israel.

And they've carried that out. And Bob, and Bob, to your point, and this is the last thing I'm going to say, you know, how much is, you know, like you said, bringing money or bringing this conversation to the table with Iranians, you know, how much is ignorance? How much is intentional? And I think that's the biggest question that everyone should be asking right now about this money to Iran. Well, clearly it was intentional, but I think so.

But why? But why it was an additional? Well, if you're going to judge it, I think, I think you have to, you have to pay attention to this way. The concept was, was well intentioned that if we can, if we can make Iran, and we've been trying to finish this podcast for a half hour. But let me just say this. If you remember, and you guys probably are too young to remember this, but before the 1970s, you weren't allowed to go to China. And there was no business between China and the United States. President Nixon went to China.

And after President Nixon, future presidents started working on this idea of let's build up. Chinese manufacturing, that will increase their economy. They will create a middle class, and they will become capitalists. In 1990, I think it was 90, 91, I can't remember, 90, 89, my memory is escaping. Someone will correct me, but we had T and a Min Square where students challenge, I think that was 90s, early 90s. Diao Ping in China, and that was the great opening into capitalism that China took a venture in. Now you have the pendulum that has swung, and the current Premier of China, Chairman Xi, has re-communized the country, destroyed the middle class, and wants to bring back the glory days of Mount Saint

Don. The same thing that Nixon and Bush did with China, I think Obama tried to do with Iran. The idea, the concept, and Biden too. I think Biden thinks this is still an opportunity to normalize Iran, to make them less interested in terrorism and more interested in the world economy.

Unfortunately, I don't. That's scary. Yeah. And so I don't think it's, and again, I'm not a conspiracist, but I don't think it's a conspiracy. I think it's a failed policy. Yep. By the way, you know, conspiracies, there's almost no such things there's anymore.

They're like, mostly all come true. Yeah, most conspiracies come true nowadays. You know, it's people that like question the government or question things. Well, listen. And they do have. happen and in point with your history and your knowledge what's happening it kind of goes back to everything we're questioning is true yeah I mean there's a lot of things that are weird I mean especially with your history and and the things I brought up and Sherry's brought up and

and all that I just think there's correlations of everything like if you look at history oftentimes you can find answers to what's going on now right and I think even a lot of your history with Israel and Palestine and just that whole region is very, in my opinion. And I think a lot of people are going to be listening to this. Although Bobby may not necessarily see similar things that we do in certain aspects, right? And, um, but just talking about the history of what happened in the area. Yeah. But, you know, but there are things I think that we can correlate to what's going on today, I believe. Um, Bob, uh, what I want to say before we get into the last little thing and it were, and it's not a last little subject. I'm just saying.

saying. I do want to bring you on on a UFO episode soon because I think our listeners are listening. They're going to know that obviously, you know, they've listened to us for five years. Yeah. And so they're going to hear you and they're going to be like, okay, well, they're related-ish, right? But they know that he is. My brother is like a damn genius. He's kind of like you. But he's black and white, though. But he's black and white. He's like you. He absorbs everything he, of his knowledge, he absorbs. it's kind of like when you used to listen to tests at the night, you know, in the night, you put your headphones on and listen, and then you can take the test the next morning.

Yeah. I can't do that as much anymore. And maybe that's why I'm married to you because you guys are so simple. Well, but my point is, I want to bring Bobby on on a UFO episode because although, you know, you can be black and white on this subject, right? And religious and all this stuff. I want to bring you on the UFO episode to really challenge you on some of your thoughts and opinions,

considering your devout Jew. You've kind of grown up this way. I would actually like to get your opinion on a lot of these things. But Bob, just to close this out, what is your hope for Israel? What is your hope for Palestine and this war? What is your final thoughts on this? Well, yeah, thanks for asking that, because I think that's really important. I pray every Shabbat is the time we go to synagogue. Shabbat is Friday night to Saturday. night. And that's when this attack occurred on Shabbat, on our holy day, on our day of rest. You call it Sabbath. But every Shabbat, we pray for the peace of Jerusalem and the peace of Israel and all of its inhabitants, whether they're Arab, Muslim, Christian, or Jew. And I do that.

but I also pray for an end to terrorism and for mercy to be shown by God to the families that have been destroyed by these terrorists. So I think hopefully your listeners will join me in that prayer. Hopefully so. Yeah, and I'm saying amen to that prayer because that's you could not have, you could not have said that better. Yeah, and listen, there's going to, obviously, there's always going to be people that disagree with everything we say. You know, but that's the truth, though. We don't want, you know, most people don't want this. No, absolutely.

Most people don't, but there's also going to be a lot of people that use this situation for hate. They're going to use this for division. Right. And I even think that potentially governments are going to. We may not see it full scale right now, but I just feel like this is going to be used as the time goes on for division. I think we're kind of already seeing it. We did not get into some aspects I wanted to get into. into because of

I just didn't want to get in this. I thought that, well, and Bobby necessarily didn't want to get in this too. And we can go on to it the next day. Yeah, absolutely. But for tonight, I think we need to we need to pray for both I guess countries, Israel and Palestine.

Yeah. All innocent people. We need to pray for them. All innocent people. Yeah, absolutely. I agree with that. Bob, listen, thank you so much for coming on. I think you've done a great job with kind of the history and all that stuff. I know it's not easy trying to explain the history.

I mean, it has been two hours, two hours and 25 minutes. But, you know, you actually got through most of the history in like 20 minutes. It was great. You did pretty good. Yeah. Even though you did, even though you did, even though you did, you did felt your two minute missions, but it's okay. I have also felt. You feel like your two minute missions too.

I always do. If it's supposed to be like three minutes, it's definitely 10. So, or 20. So yeah, Bob Thanks for having me on. I had a lot of fun. Yeah, for sure. Bob, listen, we're going to get you back on

on a podcast that has zero to do with any of this, although this is extremely important, which is why we wanted to bring you on because, you know, we wanted to have, and I'm not necessarily saying you're expert, but you know, you know extensive. Yeah, you know extensively on this subject. Right.

And so we appreciate you coming on. Obviously, we love you because you're a part of our family. and I think that I think they were praying for everybody innocent people around the world not just Israeli or Palestinians we would love peace but I don't think it's going to happen

and I think that there are other podcasts we can discuss the mentality of like how do you deal with evil and the reality of this is that I think that many people going forward in the future are going to have to deal with evil at some point in time.

Not everyone but a lot of people are but Bob thank you so much for coming on and we're going to have you back on very soon. And yeah, that's going to be it. By the way, the name of this song that we're ending this way, it is called Caroline. And Bob, we really appreciate you, man.

All right. Well, thanks for having me on. I love you guys. And thanks for sharing your opinions with me. I always like learning from you guys. Absolutely. Bob, until next time, have a good one. All right, guys. Thank you so much.

Peace up. Peace out. Peace out.