Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - January 6th Revisited With J6 Pardon Recipient JimBob

Episode Date: February 19, 2025

On this episode, we take a deep dive into January 6th with a recent pardon recipient, JimBob. As an attendee at the Capitol that day, JimBob was sentenced to 36 months but ultimately served 19. Now, he’s sharing his firsthand account of what really happened—details the mainstream narrative won’t tell you. From shocking inconsistencies to deeper conspiracies, this conversation barely scratches the surface of the mysteries surrounding that day.

Welcome back to Investigator, with podcast, the show that dives deep into the stories they don't want you to hear. Tonight, we're peeling back the layers of one of the most controversial days in modern history. We're talking about none other than January the 6th. For years, we've been told a carefully scripted narrative, the mainstream media, the political establishment, and even our own government have painted January 6th as an insurrection, a coup attempt, an act of domestic terrorism. But what if that's not the whole truth? What if January 6 wasn't just a spontaneous riot, but something far more orchestrated? Let's talk about the convenient failures of that day.

Why was security at the Capitol seemingly unprepared despite advanced warning of potential unrest? Why were the key decision makers like Speaker Pelosi and Capitol Police leadership denying extra security measures in the days leading up to the event? And why did some officers open barricades and even appear to usher protesters into the building? And then there's the biggest question. Rutroll did the federal informants and undercover agents play in escalating the chaos. Now, the Revolver News investigation whistleblowers and even leaked FBI documents have raised serious concerns that January 6th wasn't just a protest gone wrong, but a manufactured event, an entrapment operation designed to justify a government crackdown on political

descendants. And if that sounds too wild to believe, ask yourself, why did the media immediately shift the narrative from election integrity to domestic terrorism? Why were some people hunted down like terrorists, while others who were clearly involved in violent acts seemingly vanished into the shadows untouched by prosecution? Tonight we have an exclusive interview with a man who knows the story firsthand. Jim Bob, a January 6th protester who was recently pardoned, join us to share his story, his arrest, the legal battle that followed, and what he believes really happened that day. Jim Bob isn't just another protester. He's a firsthand witness to what went down at the Capitol, and his story might just,

challenge everything you think you know about January 6th. This is a conversation they don't want you to hear. Guys, welcome back to Investigat Earth. It is February the 17th, 2025. And it is Map with the Stars by first timer. Sherry, we've talked about January 6th a lot on this show. We've always obviously had a lot of questions about January 6th. Another January 6th, we've had on many times, I think probably five or six times now is

Jake Chansley, also better known as. the QAnon shaman, or he goes by, I guess, American shaman now. But I want to go ahead and introduce our guest, Jim Bob. Jim Bob, go ahead and tell me a little bit about that day and just a little bit about yourself. Give me a little bit of background of who you are, why you even ended up in Washington, D.C. on January 6th. Well, where do I start? All right. So I'm a tow truck driver here in the Northern District of Illinois.

I was pretty involved with just the politics in general. I was interested in all of that. I was keeping up with everything that was going on. We had the, I personally believe that the election was stolen, right? So they had all that going on. There was the just amount of just weird hocus pocus that was going on during that. And so we decided to go out there when we heard Trump was. speaking. You know, it's the last time we were going to hear Trump speaking as president during the

whole 2020 thing. And so we decided to go out there. We went or we drove the 15 hours from Illinois down over to D.C. And then we got there. I think it was on something like the fifth. Yeah, the fifth. We stayed out there. And then the morning of the sixth, we walked over to the monument. we listened to the majority of Trump speech. And then everybody just sort of started wandering over to the Capitol building. So we kind of went that way too. And then we had like the, there were food trucks out there. So I got myself a taco.

Wow. And how many food trucks did that was basically how it started? So did they just have one food truck or was a lot of food trucks kind of set up in the area? Yeah, there was like six or seven. of them. Okay. And so Jim Bob, when you got there, what was kind of the atmosphere like when you arrived? I mean, did it feel like a peaceful protest or did it feel like just a bunch of people going there to support Trump? But you were there the night before, right? Did you just stay the night out there? Yep. Yep. We got there on the fifth. We stayed the night out there and then we walked over

from the hotel to the monument. It was massive crowd from the monument to the White House. you couldn't even see the grass. I mean, it was just, it was just people. It was, I would, the best word I could pick to describe it would be probably jovial. Everybody was just, everybody was having a good time, laughing, joking, talking to one another, meeting people from all over the country. I mean, it was just, there was tons of people there. It was a good, it was a good time.

Was there like online forums or anything that was getting people to, together to make sure that they went to Washington, D.C. in or around January 6 to hear Trump's speech or, you know, what made you decide to go there? And did you know that a bunch of people were going? I knew that a couple people were going. I was in a telegram chat where we were kind of like finding rides for everybody. Like, okay, you're writing with so and so. You're writing with so and so. Like, hey, let's go talk to Trump or let's go see Trump speech. You know what I mean? like, let's go see it. It's going to be, it's going to be a big deal. It's the last time he's going to be talking as a president. We figured, you know, we didn't know that 2024 was going to happen or not, you know, but as far as we knew, it was the last time we were going to get to hear him talk as president.

So everybody was excited to go talk to or go see him speak. Yeah. So your intention was not to go there necessarily to, you know, with a bunch of your boys to take over the Capitol because you know, you thought Trump was rightfully the president. That was not your intention or anyone else's attention that you know of? No. No, there was there was no plan. I mean, we didn't even, we didn't even have a plan to go to the Capitol that I knew of. I mean, we were going to, there was supposedly going to be like some sort of parade that like went around the Capitol building and then headed back towards the White House and the monument, right? But like,

actually stopping at the Capitol building wasn't even on my radar. It wasn't like part of the ititterary or anything. So you start seeing people kind of leave this speech here on January 6th. And, you know, people were starting to mingle towards the Capitol building. And was it kind of like a mass exodus from Trump speech? And why do you think that started that everyone started to move towards the Capitol bill and away from actually listening to Trump speak? well like we had so when we were standing at the monument right and like i'm sure we're going to get

into the more conspiracy side of it later right but like there were definitely a couple rabble rousers in the crowd going like yeah this is ridiculous this is ridiculous you know like that's you know like this is just this is silly and so like i feel like they were kind of like trying to direct people in that direction, but it wasn't like a mass exodus. It was kind of just like a trickle, right? Like when I started making my way over there, it was like, there was probably like 30, maybe 40 people wandering in that general direction as well. But like compared to the scale of the crowd that was there, it was like,

it was mostly a trickle there at first. Yeah. Now, when you were in the crowds, when it was just kind of happy, go lucky and everybody's having fun and meeting each other and just, you know, having a good talk. Did you see any type people that look like Antifa or people that stuck out or people that were there for different reasons? I mean, there were definitely some people that you would consider probably glowing, you know, like just sort of, you know, sunglasses, jeans, polo shirt, you know what I mean? Yeah. Feds, aka Feds, potentially.

Yeah. Yeah. potentially. I didn't see anybody that particularly stuck out as like, oh, there's Antifa. You know what I mean? But like there were there were some people that I was getting some like weird vibes from. You know what I mean? Like you, you look like you're trying too hard to fit in.

You know what I mean? But like for the most part, people just kind of generally ignored them, I guess. Like I don't know. I didn't really give them too much thought. Yeah, for sure. So the crowd starts trickling down. At what point in this walk towards the Capitol did you realize in any way, shape, or form that things may be starting to escalate? Well, I didn't really get any inclination that things were going to go sideways until it, like, started happening, right?

Like, we walked towards the Capitol building and then we're sitting there by the food trucks. were eating a taco. And then we hear a commotion over there towards the Capitol building. And we find out later that that was the first set of bicycle barricades getting torn down. There's a few pretty good videos of that whole encounter. And then like the crowd just sort of did what crowds do and just went towards the commotion. And so I finished up my taco and, me being, you know, there.

I'm like, ah, let's go see what's going on over there. So I wander off that way with the crowd. And I didn't even see that first set of bicycle barricades. Like, they had already, like, moved them. They were gone. I didn't even know they were there until after the fact, when I started going through thousands of hours of footage in my discovery. There was a second set that was kind of like,

next to the stairs, leaning on the stairs that I remember walking past. And that's an actual metal metal barricade, like a fence barricade? Yeah, it's like, it's like a bicycle barricade. It's not like a, not like a real defensive measure. It's just like something you'd see lining a parade. You know what I mean? Like it's nothing that would have that really triggered in my mind. I'm not supposed to be here because I didn't even see it get torn.

down. It was just sort of laying there. Yeah. Now, what was the police presence? Like, did you see cops everywhere or not a lot? Or what did you see as far as their presence? It was non-existent until I got to the Capitol building. When I got, like, to the scaffolding, I could see cops. There was the police line there. But up until that point, it was, it was non-existent. Okay. And there was nothing up until the police line that I remember.

And there was no fights breaking out or anything prior to this. Not that I remember, no. As far as I can remember walking up to it, everybody was just doing the whole chanting and singing thing. When I was standing up there at the police line at first, there was really nothing going on. It was mostly just more of the same. You know, I think they were doing the, yeah, I mean, it was a rally at that point. There was a lot of chanting. There was some singing.

There was a little bit of yelling, but nobody was doing anything. You had said that you had kind of been, I guess, maybe a part of a group. How many people did you go with that day? Were you with a group and how many of you were together? Well, specifically going there, it was my dad and my brother. But they got, they were very fortunate when we actually got. separated prior to the food trucks and the cell phone towers were down. So I couldn't actually get a hold of them.

So they wandered off in a different direction than I wandered off in. So it was just they got, they got lucky. I got lucky. They went the other direction. I'm the only one that was stupid enough to go follow the noises. Guess let's start here. Did you go to jail? I did.

Well, I went to federal prison in, in Kentucky. I was there for 19 months. And so your dad or brother did not ever end up in jail? Thank the Lord, no. Okay. Did you ever yourself enter the capital? No, I never went into the building.

So we start seeing this thing happen, right? You're obviously, everybody's chanting, singing. You have these bicycle barricades, you know, basically these very, I guess, unassuming type barricades or fences. you actually see these a lot at, you know, if they're just trying to section off or cordon off a little section of something, you can literally just pull them out the way. Yeah.

Now, you had said you already saw that I guess the barricades have been torn down when you reach these. Obviously, there's tons of video out there that of the police themselves opening up the barricades in a lot of ways, letting people in. Did you see any of that? Or did you have anyone that witnessed that themselves? Only in the footage after the fact.

Nobody that I know saw it happen on the day, especially like myself. I just walked up kind of after the fact, at least at that first set of barricades. So I didn't see any of it personally, but I have seen lots of the footage of it. Yeah. So what was the turning point? What went so bad that day that, you know, they're arresting all these people? Well, I've thought about that a lot, right? Like we were standing at the police barricade, and then, like, one cop throws a flashbang into the crowd.

It landed like 15, 20 feet away from me there on the scaffolding side, and then it exploded. And the whole crowd went silent for a few seconds. It was just, it was the wildest feeling, because it was like everybody was chanting and singing and doing that whole thing. The flashbang goes off, dead silent. And then somebody throws a trash can lid, another person throws the trash can, and then it was all over after that. Wow. Jim Bob. And that's how it all got kicked off.

Yeah, I want to play a clip for you. And I want you to kind of just tell me if this clip is accurate or not. Obviously, we cannot see what's going on in this clip. But, and there is a silence part here, which I'll more than likely take out or maybe we'll just talk over the silence part. But either way, I want you to hear this. This was kind of the account of all of the surveillance footage that happened that day. I'm not probably going to play the entire clip because it is 15 minutes, but I at least want to play the beginning section of this because I think this is when maybe a lot of things started going bad.

And I kind of want your account of this. And actually, it's interesting because when I watch these videos, I'm looking in the crowd and I think I actually see where you are at. And I'll send you the video to tell me if that's you or not. But I think I do see where you actually were during when all this, stuff was kind of popping off. But let's listen to this. Let's make sure this is on Bluetooth. Let's listen. Looking over the west side of the Capitol from a security camera on the exterior dome, we can see how quickly the crowd is able to fill the area in front of the West Plaza.

Inside the Capitol, Vice President Mike Pence is entering the House chamber to convene the joint session to certify the electoral votes. President Donald Trump is still speaking to a large crowd at the ellipse, unaware of the crowd that is already amassed at the Capitol. Back outside on the West Plaza, United States. Capitol Police Deputy Chief Waldo orders the less lethal team to get into position. Unit 6, I need the less lethal teams. They could come up from the Upper West stairs. They're taking an elevated position.

They're not compliant, climbing, staff, let me know when the less legal teams are in place. One minute later, the less lethal team moves into place. At 106 p.m., Deputy Chief Waldo orders the less lethal team to launch. Unit 6, I got a crowd, flying with all the dirt pushing, blowing for decktiles. I have given warnings about chemical munitions. I need to let the lethal team position above me to identify the agitators and start deploying. Bonds, folks, folks.

U.S. Capitol Police Inspector Lloyd is seen signaling officers above on the terrace to open fire on the crowd. So during this time, Jim Bob, you see these Capitol police officers, I assume, is who these people are that is above the crowd. And when you actually hear the radio transmissions and there are timestamps on this

to show exactly what the crowd's doing during the time, The radio transmissions were coming in and ordering the Capitol Police that was above at a elevated position, probably I would say, I don't know, 50 to 60 feet elevated above the actual crowd. It didn't appear the crowd was going crazy or doing anything nuts, but someone on the ground, some other police officer, a Capitol Police officer, was advising the Capitol Police above to start shooting less lethal. And what they were shooting was these rubber bullets. And so as you start seeing this, you're seeing the Capitol Police shooting rubber bullets directly at the heads, various people in the crowd. They're not trying to hit their body or trying to disperse them in a way to, you know, kind of show force. They are literally aiming at the heads. And this video depicts that very clearly.

Every single shot almost was hitting the head unless they missed. Did you witness this as this started with how this video kind of depicts this? So it's a little tricky because I can't really, you know, I can't see the video. I mean, yeah. How it felt to me was that they would throw a flashbang down. You would hear the ting pop. And then that area that they threw the flashbang in would then get hit with the rubber bullets as well. Right?

It's kind of like, I mean, I, you couldn't really see them. I couldn't see them flying anyway. so I couldn't tell you exactly where they were aiming. But I got hit with a few of them up my left side from about my, probably about my hip, up my side and up my arm. Did you get a pretty bad bruise from that? Or how did it affect you? Oh, yeah.

My right at my hip was bruised up. And then all along the backside of my left arm was all bruised up. Now in this video, shows actually a few of the projectiles going through people's cheeks or actually lodging in some of their shoulders or necks. Did you encounter anyone with those injuries? Yeah, I had one guy who got like shot in the cheek with one. I kind of helped him wash that out and pack a little bit of gauze in there. It wasn't like, it wasn't too much more than like a really bad flesh wound, but like it's going to give them an interesting scar for sure.

a good story, I guess. Yeah. So this is all going on. When did this thing turn from where all of the protesters were in this video as they're depicting? You have the Capitol Police officers up on these kind of overarching terraces that is shooting down. When did things start escalating to where people started moving up the Capitol stairs?

You know, I'm not really 100% sure. It's all kind of a little bit muddy, right? Like, once the adrenaline gets going, it's hard to keep a good time. line in your head. I remember there was like a plastic, like a plastic casing, not a casing, but like a plastic shroud over the, over the scaffolding. I remember the, it got somebody, it got broke through and the whole crowd kind of surged in that direction. And I kind of got like pushed along with the crowd into the scaffolding. And then there was, there's like a stairway in the scaffolding.

And like once you, once you get up the stairs, there was like a doorway. I didn't go past there. I kind of like ducked off to the side and then just sort of stayed on the stairs for a little bit and then worked my way back down, kind of helping whoever I could along the way. There was tear gas everywhere, rubber bullets, pepper spray.

They were using those mace canisters and everything like that too. It was just, it was very chaotic. Yeah, and I think that's what a lot of people don't understand is when you're in a crowd like that and flashbangs, gas and all these things are going off and your surroundings are not the way you sense it. You can't see. You're having trouble smelling. That's when chaos really happens. Yeah. And I saw a lot of videos where it look like people are actually being pushed into the building or up the stairs because of the crowd.

It's kind of like when you go to these concerts and we've done podcasts about some of these concerts where people get trampled and actually killed because of the crowd. And that's, you know, kind of in my mind, what I'm picturing that's going on here is that, you know, everyone's having fun. And then all of a sudden the flashbangs go off and then all hell breaks loose because nobody knows what's going on. It was definitely stampede a shit sometimes. I remember helping multiple people up who had fallen and had like, God. in their leg or their ankle stepped on or a hand stepped on, just like, you know, like if you fall and you stay down, you're going to get stepped on, whether people are intending to or not, whether there's just that many people in an agitated state, it just, it just happens.

I mean, it happens on Black Friday at Walmart. You know what I mean? Like, when there's, I mean, imagine being at Walmart at Black Friday and somebody. starts throwing flashbang and tear gas canisters around. Like, it's not going to stay. It's going to get worse for sure. Yeah. And that's a shopping center. Now, imagine a bunch of people who are already frustrated that their voices aren't being heard. They feel like the government's screwing them. And then you start flashbanging them, tear gas, and I'm shooting them with rubber bullets. You think that's going to stay a moderate thing for very long? Like, of course, people are

getting agitated, you know? Yeah, I mean, I think about if you started flashbang and people on Black Friday trying to get TVs at the door. I mean, can you imagine? Because they're already almost killing each other already. And then, you know, go ahead and do that at Walmart on Black Friday. But my question I wanted to also ask is, so you never went into the building, but got to also say this. If anyone looks up Jim Bob or J6 or whatever, which I'm sure people will do, all of the headlines

I see was you was a part of the proud boys. Can we talk about that just for a minute before we get any deeper into the events of that day and some of the conspiracies and even how it affected your family. How did you get involved with the proud boys, number one, from the very beginning? And then I also kind of want your definition of what you believe the proud boys to be and why you ever joined them to begin with. I suppose it all sort of started right after the 2016 election. Yeah, 2016.

It was the first time I had gotten to vote. It was my first election cycle. I'm only 27, by the way. So like this is, you know, relatively recent stuff I'm talking about. But the 2016, first time I got to vote, I lost friends, stopped talking to me because of the direction I voted. I had, you know, a few family members that didn't want anything to do with me. It was just something that I had no idea what was happening. And we got to remember that you're in Illinois, which is a heavily Democratic

state. Right. And like everywhere, every time I turn on like YouTube or anything like that, you got people like, oh, Trump supporters are Nazis. You're evil if you do this. You're evil if you do that. If you think this way, then you're a bad guy. Right. And I'm like, I'm 18 at this point. And I'm just like, what am I doing wrong? Like, he's the guy that goes along with my values. Why does that make me a bad person? Yeah. So I start looking. looking for like-minded people, right? And I started looking up, started Googling. I used to watch Gavin McGuinness back in the old school, well, not really old school days,

but back in the day on YouTube. And I remembered him saying that he started this group called The Proud Boys. It was a joke organization. You know, it was just like it was just a goofy drinking club. You know, it's just, it was just a goofy thing. So a couple years later, you know, I turned 21. I'm still having these problems. And so I Google them.

I Google Proud Boys in Illinois. And it sends me to a website, and I applied on the website. And a while later, I joined up. And I had a great time. It's as far as what they are, it's a drinking club. It's a drinking club for vaguely conservative patriots. The only two requirements are you have to be a man and you have to love your country. It's a fraternity, right?

And that sets a lot of people on edge because, oh, it's just, you know, it's just a boys club, right? But it is. It's a place for guys to talk to like-minded guys and not be ridiculed about it. Yeah. It's a safe place. Well, we'll use their term. It's a safe space for patriots. for men, patriots.

Yeah, so when you join the group, obviously, you know, the mainstream media pushed so heavily about this is a white supremacist group. This is a militia. This is a militia that wants to take over the government and the capital and all this. What is your, like, what is your message of people that believe the proud boys is an organization that is set up as a militia that is at one point in time or maybe one day in the future. If something happens, they're going to call to arms and they're going to go and take over. over in an insurrection or a coup, the United States government. I don't think that's how you're seeing the proud boys in your mind. No, absolute nonsense.

Well, for one, the proud boys couldn't even organize a pizza party nationwide, let alone an insurrection. Right. Like, it really is the biggest group of goofballs you've ever met. Like, man, we can't even hardly schedule a monthly meet without, like, having 900 issues. And that's nothing against them. Everybody's just, they just. they just do their own thing.

You know what I mean? Like as far as like the evil white supremacist thing, I mean, that couldn't be farther from nonsense than anything. I mean, the president of my chapter when my chapter first started up is Mexican, right? I mean, the national chairman or whatever, big quote unquote there. Are you talking about Rican, Enrique Atorio? Yeah, Enrique. Yeah, Enrique. I think he's he's Puerto Rican or like or like part black or he's some sort of mix, right?

So I mean, how can you how can you be a white supremacist organization with all of these quote unquote high ranking members being of different ethnicity other than white? Well, Jim Bob, you do know though that like once they open the borders up and all these illegals, the ones that were being, you know, convicted, they would always, if you looked at their rap sheets, their classification of their race was always white. So technically, according to media, even if you had Hispanics or others, even including black people, they also might be classified as white if they disagree with the consensus in the agenda that the mainstream media and, you know, especially the past four years, wouldn't you believe? So. And I mean, on that note,

too, according to Biden, if you're, uh, if you don't vote for him, you're not. black anyway. So in that category, you're also white. Exactly. That's true. Sherry, now what were you going to ask? I was going to ask, how big was your chapter, I guess, in Illinois? And is it like a statewide? Is it citywide? How does that work? Pretty much every state has at least one chapter. I'm not, I'm not going to go into like how big each chapter is, right? I can't. I'm not going to go into all that. But each state has at least one chapter. Okay. So obviously, you were all pardoned, but the interesting thing about this is is that, so you never went into the Capitol, but you were charged. If you want to elaborate on what

your charges were, or did you think that you were going to be charged after January 6th? I did not think I was going to get charged. I figured, I'm like, there has got to be bigger fish out there than just some podunk tow truck driver from Illinois. You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm a nobody. never had a speeding ticket before in my life, right? Like just my criminal record is a piece of white paper. Nothing. So they came and they arrested me. And they charged me with six different, six felonies in a misdemeanor.

And I had a paper sitting right here that had my charges on it. But I cannot remember where I went and stuck that. but they were threatening me with like 68 years when they first arrested me. That's crazy. So when they started talking about a plea deal, they wanted me to plead to 111A, which is resisting, impeding, imposing, intimidating, or assaulting an officer, right? Like that narrows it down. But I've got, at the time, I had twin three-year-olds.

they were three at the time. So I'm freaking out. Like I've got these babies at home, and they're talking about 68 years. So then they put this plea deal in front of me. We tried bargaining for a little bit better of a plea deal, because the maximum for the 111A is still like seven years. Yeah.

Plus, I didn't hit nobody. You know what I mean? Like, what do you want? So they won't budge on it. They won't move the trial out of D.C. which in and of itself, how are you going to get a jury or a jury of your peers in D.C. as a conservative.

Yeah. Right. So they won't move it out of D.C. They won't give me a better plea deal. So eventually I'm like, well, maximum of seven is better than a maximum of 68 in the grand scheme of things.

So I end up signing that. And then, you know, they leading up towards sentencing, you know, did that whole thing. watched thousands of hours of footage through the whole court thing. And then inevitably they ended up charging me to 37 months.

Wow. Which, again, in the grand scheme of things, as far as federal prison goes, isn't, you know, massive. But for somebody who didn't do anything, you know, it's a little bit excessive, I think. Yeah, you don't deserve any jail time. So after January 6th, how long did it take them to come and arrest you? So January 6th, 2021, I was arrested December 21st, I believe, of 2021. Wow. So it was almost a year later.

A year later, and they come and arrest you. So you probably had no idea, shocked. And did they come to your work? Like, what happened? Yeah, I was actually working for a warehouse at the time. I was, I just got done getting my, I just got done talking. with HR grabbing like paycheck stubs or something like that. And I walk out and I walk up to my car.

My wife worked there with me at the time. I walked up to the car, put my hand on my handle of my car, and the car three cars down, their lights start going off and it's just like, and then the armored cars pull out of nowhere. You know, we had like the full goon squad with the shields and shotguns and everything when they came and got me. So I'm assuming this is FBI that arrested your. right? Oh yeah. Yeah, there was FBI, state police, really anybody you can, really anybody in Illinois

you can shake a stick at with a badge and they were there. And so they had, uh, they had two teams, I guess. One team went to my house and one team picked me up. And you said your wife was working with you. Was your wife on premises at the time? Yep. She was, uh, she was sitting in the car watching everything happened. Oh my God. I could not imagine. That would be crazy. I bet you guys were just like freaking out like a year later and now they're coming to get you so you obviously but you obviously knew like when this was like as soon as you saw the lights and the teams and all the stuff did it automatically click in your head what this was about i figured i mean what else would it be you know what i mean it's not like i had it's not like i had much of a criminal career going for me at the time you know

it's like what else could it be i got a parking ticket somewhere you know that's crazy and and And the weird thing is, Jim Bob, is, and if people look it up or whatever, you know, as we talked about earlier on the show, we've had Jake Chanceley on the show multiple times. And Jake's a great guy. I mean, if you, if you listen to his shows, he does a lot of shows on X and very grounded dude and has a lot of very intelligent thoughts. And this guy is, you know, they kind of made Jake the face of January 6th. But there's also a lot of people that kind of know you from January 6th. And you were in somewhere. ways, maybe not as big as Jake, as far as the image they wanted to keep pushing on mainstream media, but you were there. You were definitely on national news and various other reports and you name it. I mean, I know we have some of our listeners that know who you are because there's been people that reached out to us and said, hey, you should get this guy on. You should get whatever. So you were a pretty kind of known figure in January 6th. And so when you got arrested, obviously your wife was witnessing this, right?

And when after that time were you able to speak to your wife next? When they let me out. They arrested me on the 21st. I never got a phone call. I ate two times in two days. They never let me call anybody. And then they had the arraignment hearing where I heard their voices but couldn't talk to them, where they were talking or the bond hearing or whatever it's called.

Yeah. Where they were talking about if they were going to let me out or not. Like these are your charges. We're going to let you out. This is your bond. Here you go. So I heard, I heard my wife was there. My mom and my dad were on that phone call.

It was like a Zoom call, I think, but it was only audio. Then I went back to the jail that night. in Chicago and then somewhere around midnight, I think, they kicked me out. My mom picked me up. So that was the same night? No, it was the 23rd. I got out right before Christmas Eve. Okay.

So then when did you actually, so did, so when did the trial happen and when did you actually go to prison per se? I went. My self-surrender date was July 26th of, 20, 23. Okay. And you were in there until when? January 20th.

And you got out because of Trump's pardoning. Yep. Now. Yep, I did. I got a certificate of pardon and everything. Now, how many other people in the jail that you were at were at the January 6th, quote, unquote, insurrection? Overall or when I left? Yeah, just like when, yeah, when, like when you got to prison, did you know any other January 6ers there?

Or meet them. So when I, when I first got there, there was only two other ones. And then there was one or two. They, both of those guys, they got, I think the guy with the longest sentence was 18 months, I think, when I first got there. So they left. And then I was by myself for about six months as far as Jay Sixers go. I was the only one there for about six months. And then we had like two or three, four guys fall out of nowhere.

And like they came. And then a couple of them went home. Thankfully, they only did like a couple months, I think. I think three months and six months were their sentences. And then a couple guys had longer sentences than me that came after that. The longest sentence that I heard at my facility for January 6th was five years. Wow. And so what prison did you go to?

Like where was it at federal prison-wise? It was Ashland, Kentucky. Okay. It was, yeah, it was a federal low facility. It's basically like a mental menstrual, a mental institution. Well, that too. They had a good handful of transatlity. He's there too.

It was a really bizarre place. I do not recommend it. So why did they send some people? Like, you know, we've heard about, especially during the pardon and kind of the subsequent time in that 48 to 72 hours after the pardon, the D.C. jail or prisoner, wherever a lot of the J-Sixers were, why did you go to some other location? And then you had a lot of people also in D.C. I couldn't even begin to tell you.

That's well above my pay grade. I was going to say it sounds like that D.C. prison or wherever they put a lot of people there was pretty horrific. Did you have any of those same experiences? Not nearly to the extent as those D.C. guys. We had three guys that were transferred from the D.C. jail at my facility. And the horror stories, they could tell you. I mean, feedings, black water, food that wasn't even edible.

I mean, just miserable. I mean, held in solitary confinement. for a year with no visits, no phone calls. There's illegal. I mean, just like, I mean, yeah. I mean, I'm sure it is. I mean, just the worst. I mean, every prison horror story you can think of.

Those guys went through probably. Thankfully, it was not, it was not that bad where I was at. I mean, it was prison. It was miserable, but it was not a year's worth of solitary confinement for no good reason. We had vaguely drinkable water, you know, it was weird. It stuck to your teeth. But like, you know, you could drink it. Yeah. And I want to ask you kind of your thoughts. You know, obviously you were a Trump supporter going in January 6th. And how do you feel about Trump now? Number one, do you think that, you know, he obviously came through with the pardon? And did you, was that your hope and prayer that if Trump, you know, was that even a possibility on your plate? I'll start with that first. It was, it was interesting.

it's kind of hard to explain, right? Because like you want your brain, when you're in a bad situation like that, your brain holds on to whatever hope it can find, right? But then your brain at the same time is trying to convince you that it's not going to happen. I had faith that if Trump got in, it was a possibility. It was a very good possibility. Yeah. If he got in.

We only had the news. We didn't have any, like, reliable media. It was just like CNN, NBC, you know, like the big media that we had. So, like, it really wasn't, it didn't feel very good going into it. I mean, I know that it's all BS anyway. I was pretty confident that whatever they were selling wasn't very good. But I had faith that it could happen. It was definitely, like, an option.

my wife and my mom, whatever they were hearing in like the J6 communities that they were a part of, were 100% convinced. Like their faith gave me faith, if that makes sense. Yeah. I've always, I've always attributed it to like a sort of, it was kind of, I, I see it kind of like, like, well, like the story of Moses, right? Like Moses was just the instrument. Whatever God was going to do, God was going to do, right?

Trump was just the person. Trump was just the mouthpiece. He was just the one that said, let my people go. The real person that let us out was, you know, the good Lord himself. Exactly. But I knew that if Trump got in, it might happen. If Trump didn't get in, then we were screwed. Yeah.

And my personal opinion is that you are being held as a political prisoner, that you were not imprisoned based on a crime you committed, that you were in prison based on your political beliefs. But with that said, I just want to know, because you were in jail for 19 months, 19 months of your life is gone and you're in jail. What was like a, just give me a typical day of what you went through for those 19 months? Well, I mean, that's another weird one because time moves a little strange there because it's like every day is the same. If something different happens, it's normally bad. So I tried to get a routine pretty early on.

Fortunately for like my last year, I had a fantastic sally there. Fantastic. You know, he was, he, he helped me through the worst of it, right? Like all of the stress that was leading up towards the election, all of the stress leading up to inauguration, right? It was just workout, workout, workout, workout. Yeah.

So, like, I mean, that dude was an animal. He worked out in the morning. He worked out in the afternoon. He'd work out a third time if he had time to do it. I mean, just, you know, and he did his best to drag me along through it, too. And that's really what kept me out of my head. I got my phone call in the evening. I tried, I had enough phone minutes where I got to talk to my wife and kids every night.

That was really what I looked forward to most in the, day, but really it was just wake up, read, work out, read some more, eat, go to bed. Talk to the family, go to bed. That was really just about every day. Well, Jim, Bob, I know we had talked earlier, and I don't know if your wife wants to come on or not, if it's completely up to you, but we can. Yeah, let me, let me shoot her a text real quick. All right.

I'll pause right now. Yeah, I'll pause right now. Let's see. All right. So we have Jim Bob's wife here now. Jessica, Jessica, how's it going? I'm going. Okay.

How are you? We are good. So we've obviously been talking to Jim Bob about his experiences. It sounds like it could be a not necessarily a children's book, but maybe a horror story over the past, over the past few years. What were kind of your experiences? I know Jim Bob was talking about when he got arrested. You were actually there. what was your thoughts when your husband was being arrested by the FBI?

Yeah, with all those people at your workplace. Oh, my God, I could not even imagine. Yeah. That his arrest was a whole bunch of bullshit and that they did everything completely wrong, especially with his Mlandreides. They did not read them to him until he was in the car. They'd already, you know, fully arrested him before even were, reading him his Miranda rights.

Wow. And so at this time, you guys had already had kids, right? I think he had said you had twins. Yes. Our kids were about a... Three? No, they were about two when you were arrested. So they were a little over three years old when he started his sentence.

So three years old, and so as he goes into this sentence... No, a little over four years old. They turned five when I was in there. Okay. Yeah. So he goes in this sentence, and what is your kind of mindset with this? My mindset was that I was going to do everything that I could on my end to keep everything running as smoothly as I could and be there for him as best as I could be. And it was hard being the sole provider.

And I got going from him being the main provider. and my check being just kind of a in case we needed it, not a main source of income. Yeah, that's got to be scary too. I mean, you got you got twins, you got a husbandist now in prison, and your lives are completely upended. Did you guys kind of plan for this between the time that he was arrested and then the time he was actually turning himself in to go to prison? Um, yes and no, we kind of, we, we planned for it in the, in the sense of whatever happens, we're going to figure it out.

Yeah. But not in the sense of knowing exactly how we were going to figure it out. Yeah, because there was, there was like, well, there's this thing called FSA, right? First Step Back, um, which is a program in prison that, let you earn time off the end of your sentence. But we didn't even know anything about that when I first went in. Like we just assumed like 37 months I'm going to have to do the whole 37 months if old Trump doesn't get us, doesn't help us out.

Yeah. So there was really no way to, there was really no way to plan that other than just just do the best you can. Yeah, no joke. And did your children understand or did they know or did they realize or what were their reactions with daddy not being there anymore? So they did not understand what was going on. They're still a little too young to really fully understand. What we had told them was that he was on a trip and that he was going to be away for a while.

and his trip has a lot of weird rules. Mm-hmm. That's going to be interesting that when they get older because you're like, hey, your dad is part of J6. You know what I think? Yeah. It's in the history books for good or for bad. Yeah, you're definitely in the history books.

I mean, there is definitely one thing about that, that you guys are 100% in history books forever, unless they erase history because that is very possible. And depending on... Well, they're trying to. Yeah, depending on how this investigation turns out, especially with Trump and everybody, he's appointing now.

I think that hopefully we're going to find some of what actually went on that day and why all of this stuff happened. Because, you know, what most people don't realize is like for people on the other side of this. And that's why I'm glad that we have your wife on to talk about kind of her experiences and kind of what she went through, obviously going from a mother of twins to a with a husband that is a provider to a single mother with twins, you know, that is something that most people don't realize. And obviously the other side is only going to say,

well, I don't give a shit about them. I don't care about what, what happens to them. They're insurrectionist. They're terrorist. They're domestic terrorists. Although you look around during this time leading up to January 6th, you know, what the Democrat Party did with all the Antifa and BLM riots and burning down freaking cities and literally trapping police officers in precincts and then burning it down. And then Kamala Harris was posting bail funds for these people. And yet, What happened on January 6th, it was like they were ISIS. Everyone that was there, they depicted as ISIS. And it was a political warfare.

And I still believe to this day, if the Democrats would have had their ultimate, I guess, decision-making process on what would happen to J-Sixers, they would have taken every single person that showed up for Donald Trump. And they would have executed them in the streets if they could. And if they legally could, they would do that. Like Biden, during one of his speeches, said that it was said something to the effect of it was the most violent event in American history since the Civil War.

And I'm like, what are you talking about? Like the Civil War? Like you couldn't think of a higher bar like, oh, like, why not just say Normandy, you know? Well, no. I mean, and Kamala, Kamala said that, you know, this is one of the worst events since 9-11. And all this crazy is. But then you see the place. police officers escorting people in on red carpets.

And it's not like, what the heck? And these people are what? Yeah. And it's not only that. No firearms. Yeah. And then when the video come out with Jake Chansley kind of being escorted throughout the Capitol and they're opening doors for him this locked and you name it, we've talked to

Jake about that. It's just all so wild. I don't know. To me, if I were locked up for something like that for 19 months, they took 19 months away from your twins and your wife, like that there should be something that. comes out of it. Yeah, prosecutions or something. Even I'm trying to, I've actually thought about that whole thing a lot, right? Like with the preemptive pardons that Biden did and everything.

I mean, really, the only thing that I can do at this point without just tearing myself up about it is the Lord says the vengeance is his, right? the best I can do is try to make it mean as much as I can. It has to be for something. Otherwise, I'm going to be pissed that it was all for nothing. Yeah, no, for sure. They turned it into something it wasn't. They arrested people. They put people away, took them away from their families.

It has to mean something at the end of the day. And we can't leave it up to them to determine what it means. because if we leave it up to them, I mean, it's not going to be, it's not going to be what it should be. And Jim Bob, to your point to that, I think the way you might need to look at this and Jessica as well. I mean, I know you both sacrificed a lot during that time with your family and spending time with each other and just upending your lives. You almost have to look at it as the culmination of 2024 election because there's so many Democrats on that side that are just, flabbergasted for some reason that they completely 100% lost the election. And there were also so many people that were so worried that if Kamala Harris or anyone on

that side, whether it was Biden or Kamala Harris that got into office, a lot of people thought that was the end of America. It was the end of sovereignty in America. We were about to go into totalitarianism. And I think that if anything, I know that you're going to probably forever, actually, You guys are going to think about this. You're going to always contemplate it. We've been through situations, not like January 6th, but we've been through hard situations in our lives that we at the time felt like we were never going to get out of or it was going to be the end of our lives.

But the good thing I guess about y'all's situation in some ways is that I think that how the government and media and Mockenberg media, I call it, and probably the FBI and the deep state administration treated the January 6 people. people. I think that was a large factor in people's minds because a lot of people saw through the bullshit, the propaganda, the stuff that the media was trying to tell the people of January 6th were. They saw through that and they elected someone back into office that was going to take care of the people that need to be taken care of and America. And I think that you, unfortunately, in some ways, you know, you may feel like, well, I went to the Capitol. We were protesting just like the BLM protest, just like in Tifa. although, I mean, but at the very least, I think you can take it from that that you had a large part in history to a big shift in public sentiment where it woke a lot of people up.

I mean, I think there were so many people that woke up about not just, I mean, not just all the other stuff, but J6 in particular. And I think people just saw past, you know, this is not an insurrection. This was a political witch hunt and set up. Well, and to that point, too, right, they took over a thousand people, normal people, hardworking, taxpaying Americans, and gave them a look behind the curtain, right? I don't know about you guys, but before I went to prison, I assumed that everyone that was in there 100% deserved to be there. but there is there is a lot of strong arming involved in that whole the whole process and it caused me to be like, well, how many of these people actually deserve to be there? Right. And to the point that you were making before with, if Kamala got in, it would have been the end of democracy, I mean, unironically, it kind of would have been because she never got a single vote her whole way through. She never won a primary.

She never got elected it to where she was. So it was like if she did win the presidential election, what would that have meant? Because nobody voted for her to get there. Yeah. And it would have set a whole new precedent. I mean, 100%. I mean, although I do also think they did the exact same thing with Hillary Clinton in 2016. You know, unfortunately for them, she didn't win.

But they did almost the exact same thing with Bernie Sanders. You know, they put her in place rather than, you know, kind of like an actual fair primary vote. And I want to ask you this with the prison thing, right, where you went to a plea deal, but how did that ever even come about? Well, which part? Well, just the plea deal. I mean, you know, you were, do you think that you were forcing a plea deal because of what they were threatening? and then you felt like you basically had no chance or choice other than to take the plea deal that you took. Yeah.

I mean, I mean, yeah, because it's like it's one of those situations where it's like, I mean, it was like the COVID thing, right? Like, you don't have to take this vaccination, but if you do, you're going to lose your job and your health insurance and all this other stuff, right? Like, I didn't have to take the plea deal, but if I did, I would be looking at this and not a jury of my people. years because they won't move it out of GDC and, you know, all of that. So I didn't have to take the plea deal, but, you know. But you were facing 64 years. Yeah, but you really had to take the plea deal if you ever wanted to see your kids as young children again. Or ever.

And then they have you sign this piece of paper that goes, did you feel coerced while signing this? Like, did anybody force you to sign this? Yeah, these guys did. What are you talking about? Yeah, how did that work, by the way? So when you get in with a plea deal, did you have an attorney? And then I'm assuming your attorney maybe came to you with the plea deal and said, hey, here's the deal. If you don't take the deal, here is the consequences of that.

If you lose the trial? Yeah, pretty much. The prosecutor gave him a plea deal and he gave me the plea deal and said, if you don't take the deal. This is what you're looking at. There was like a, um, some Zoom hearing. I forget the official name of it, but basically I got on and got, uh, reprimanded by the prosecutor. And, um, she's like, if you don't take this plea deal right this minute, this is what's going to happen. And this is what, this is what we're going to do. And this is what you're looking at. And this is how evil you are. Look at how I'm wagging my finger at you, you know, like that whole thing.

and then I basically after that, like there was just, I mean, there was nothing else to fight for. It was either just take the plea deal or risk the trial. So you had talked also about like you think kind of, you know, as you're looking across the people in prisons that maybe not all those people should be there. Why do you think that may be? I mean, do you think there's a problem in our prison systems or our judicial system? I mean, obviously, if you look at Trump and everything he went through with the judicial system, and if Donald Trump can be facing felony charges and prison time for 30 plus years, like, what does that mean for everybody else?

Well, I could honestly go on about this subject for a very long time, but the gist of it is, as they treat it, it's a job. It's all about furthering themselves. I mean, you've got judges that go into cases. saying that they're going to, they're going to convict X amount of years. You know, there was one judge that I heard about that said, I'm going to get a million years worth of convictions by the time I retire. Crazy.

How do you, so you're going into something hoping to get jail time because you've got this arbitrary thing that you placed on yourself. Yeah. And then it's like prosecutors, right? Like federal prosecutors. Right. Like we get it.

your job is to make this guy look like a bad guy, but isn't ultimately your job to find justice, find the truth of what's happening? Like you're getting paid to demonize someone. And if the person that's being paid to demonize somebody is being paid or is more well-spoken or slightly better at convincing than the guy who's actually defending the person, there's no telling.

Right? So it's a self-propelled system that is all about furthering your career instead of finding justice. Yeah. And then the prisons get money for people being there. And then they place these mandatory things on you that, again, aren't officially mandatory. You don't have to take these programs while you're in prison. But if you do X, Y, and Z, or if you don't, then X, Y, and Z are going to happen.

but then you come to find out that like they get money for each person enrolled in the programs, they get money for each person that finishes the program, they get, I mean, they have sign language class in prison and the guy teaching the sign language class didn't even know sign language. Wow. Damn. He's like flipping you off and like giving the thumbs up, thumbs down. So you're sitting there in this sign language. class that you have to take in order to get a good team review.

And he basically just walks over to your table, hands you a sign language pamphlet from like 1983 and says, yeah, good luck. That's crazy. Oh, my gosh. So basically, this is like a money laundering kind of thing. It's almost like the hospitals like you were talking about COVID earlier. The more people that we can say have COVID, the more money, the hospital. get, right?

Yeah. Same thing with jail. Absolutely. The more people we put in classes, the more people we put in prison, the more money we make. And by the way, just to give you a little factoid, the prison industry in the United States is a multi-billion dollar business. So some estimates push the true cost of incarceration to over $180 billion per year.

So think about that, $180 billion. That's almost like almost as much as they're spending on Ukraine. But we're spending that in the United States to incarcerate people. And we're talking about the private prison industry, which most people don't realize there is a private prison industry. You know, if you think about this, there are people that actually own prisons that make money off the prisons. And that is a $4 billion per year. What does she say? The private prison part is a whole other mass.

Yeah, absolutely. It's crazy. And two of the biggest private prison companies, which is Core Civic and GEO group, make hundreds of millions of dollars in profits annually. And then the private prisons receive government contracts worth billions to house inmates. Often the quotas insure in high occupancy rates. So when the government gives you a contract in the private prison, you have to meet a quota to ensure that you have a high occupancy rate. If you do not get this occupancy rate, which means you have to have this many people in your prison to receive this amount of money is the exact same thing as where. where they said during COVID, well, you have to have this many people.

Every single COVID patient, they either dies, is on a ventilator, does all these medications from pharmaceutical. We're going to pay you all these different subsets of money as long as you do all these things. So the exact same way, and by the way, this is not just subjected to just the prisons. They also include in this policing, lost wages, and social services in this $180 billion. So everybody stands to profit off of putting more people in prison. And then where does that money go? Because it doesn't go into the inmates.

We already talked about how it doesn't go into the programs. And I can tell you from personal experience, it doesn't go into the food because all the food they serve you is expired. I mean, Thursday is chicken quarter day. And on the boxes of chicken quarters that come in, it says not fit for human consumption on the boxes that we're eating. That's crazy. That is crazy. I guess. I hope Jessica gave you some money to get some like potato chips and stuff at least. Yeah.

What do you want to do? There was a lot of like J-Six or groups out there too, like the Patriot Mail Project that really, they really made sure that like, I mean, they couldn't give us everything, but they made sure that we had something. And that's more than most of the people in prison have. I also want to point out to when we're talking about prisons, because you brought it up, Jim, I'm sorry. but inmates that perform labor for as little as $23 per hour, they are producing billions of dollars in value for companies and the government. So they're getting paid $0.23 cents an hour by being in prison. And they're producing billions and billions of dollars worth of revenue for either companies or the government.

I mean, we're talking about companies like Walmart, McDonald's, Victoria's Secret, Starbucks. They've all been linked to prison, labor, and supply chains. So if we want to talk about this. this concept that there isn't a, you know, same thing as big pharma, military industrial complex. We for sure have a prison industrial complex, although Jim Bob, I'm glad you brought this up because I don't think your position, I don't think they were trying to get, how many J-Sixers got arrested, 1,200? Is that what it was, somewhere around there? I think it was close to 1,500.

But I don't think. 15-106, if you couldn't hear. Yeah, yeah. So I don't think they were trying to get you guys in to make. them billions of dollars in that story. I think this was a political statement. And that's the next thing I kind of wanted to go into with you. Do you feel looking back on this, that this was one massive setup from the very beginning? And how do you feel about that? I think so. I feel like it is. I think that it was them going, okay, here's this group of people that disagree with us.

let's take away the right to vote. Let's take away the right to own firearms. Let's take away their right to travel out of country. Right. I mean, it's basically like, oh, here's a voting block of people that we don't like. Let's kneecap them so that they can't do anything anymore. Yeah, and I never thought about that, too, because if you take a plea bargain as a felon, you can't vote again.

And that's what they're trying to prevent you from doing. In other words, too, they've got all these illegal immigrants. that are killing people, raping people, and they're letting them out within 24 hours. And they don't need to show ID to vote. Yeah. Yeah, it's a very interesting concept with that, that entire thing. And you've got to think about this, right? So even when you guys arrived, Jim Bob, you said you arrived in Washington, what, January 5th.

So there's been massive evidence that come out that the U.S. government was spying on pretty much almost everybody traveling to Washington, D.C. for January 6th. And they use all kinds of surveillance methods. and we're talking about geo fencing and cell phone tracking. You know, the FBI used geofencing warrants to collect data on thousands of cell phones in and around the Capitol on January 6. And many investigations have already unveiled that they tracked people's cell phones as they came into Washington, D.C. during that time.

So they knew about how many people were going to be at the protest, about how many people were, you know, going to be in and around the speech from Donald Trump. And then if you even listen to Sund, which was the chief of the Capitol Police during that time and the amount of information that he was basically left out of during January 6th, he went on Tucker Carlson and said, you know, I was the guy that should have been over a lot of this and they left me in the dark on everything. And that's when I started realizing that something was not right. Not only the fact that Cash Patel at the time, which is now up for the FBI director,

which should be voted on this week, he was in the Department of Defense during January 6th. I think it was the Department of Defense. and he actually got the memo. He sent it to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and said we need on behalf of what President Trump has said, we have to get the National Guard into Washington, D.C. We have to have this because Trump is warning that this could go bad. So we need to make sure that we have proper security during January 6th. And guess what?

Zero from Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer because they wanted to not have enough security, which is the exact also reason why Chief Sons. with the Capitol police was left in the dark on everything. They basically blackballed him. He reached out to everyone in every agency to say, hey, what can we do? We got to do something because, you know, we know Trump's saying this. We know that we got to get extra security. He himself even called the National Guard and then was reprimanded on the fact that he even

communicated with a National Guard. And so it sounds like to me this is a massive setup. And then you look in and listen to your story and not just your story. There's obviously 1,500 and something people that had similar things. things happened to them. And guys, you were just nothing more than a political talking point for the next four years. That's what, that is what the hell you guys went through in most cases. I mean, I'm sure there were some definitely violent people.

But how many of those violent people were actually agents versus citizens? We don't know. And hopefully we will know if cashmattel gets in, which is another reason why I think they're slow walking these shit out of cashmitell getting in the FBI as the director because they want to probably, you know, delete or burn evidence. But let me ask you, did you see anyone personally being violent and very disruptive during this time? You mean at the Capitol?

Yeah, at the Capitol. I mean, yeah, there was definitely some stuff going on. You know, like there was one guy. He took a riot shield from a cop and used it to break a window. You know, like, there definitely was stuff going on, right? But what I want to know is how do they hold up against like the BLM protesters, right? Like let's put the most violent guy at January 6th and put them up against the most level-headed guy saying Kenosha, right?

How do those two stack up? Yeah. I mean, you look at, I mean, even, you know, what Kyle Ridenhouse went through because of Kenoshen. And we did. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, we did like three episodes on that. And people were just flabbergasted. Still to this day, I mean, Kyle Rittinghouse has to travel security 24-7.

I mean, and that's what's interesting is, you know, sometimes our situations put us in places that the only way that maybe you wake up or you realize something that maybe you wouldn't have otherwise or maybe you just have a lightning experience, whether that is a very bad or struggling time is when you're on your back. And I think that's what you guys kind of were during that time. And Jim Bob, I can imagine what you were thinking in prison and even leading up to the plea agreement. You know, the plea agreement is a very scary thing, especially if they initially tell you, hey, you're facing 60-something years or whatever it is. You either take this or you face the consequences of what that may mean. I also kind of would like to be a prosecutor because I would never, I would never prosecute based on unsubstantial evidence. But I do think that even in those cases, the county, the state, the state, the federal government, especially in the January 6th cases, I think these prosecutors' hands

were tied. I think regardless of whatever they thought about whatever the situation was, they had only one choice, which was to prosecute no matter what, to the fullest extent. And then I also believe they move these hearings and these court cases into courts where judges were more likely to rule in their favor. We're seeing it today, even with Doge, even though Doge is different. They're starting to kind of make way, but especially with Trump. There's a reason why they went to certain districts to prosecute Trump because they knew that these judges and the prosecutors, they had them all in their pockets.

They knew exactly what they were going to do and they were going to prosecute to the fullest extent of a bullshit law. Yeah, that's correct. There were some J-6ers where their judges decided to postpone their sentencing until after the election. there were some people, there were some judges that just threw it out altogether. It was a little bit of a mixed bag with responses, right? And then you had some judges that were like, well, we'll just pick this up later. Yeah, that's crazy. Now, with you being pardoned, I guess that takes away any kind of felonies or whatever.

Are you allowed to vote? Are you allowed to go out of the country? Are you allowed to do what most free Americans are allowed to do now? I'm still trying to figure that out. They didn't really give me much information, right? Like, I have the certificate of pardon that says that, like, you're pardoned for this, right? Like the charges having to do with January 6th,

but it doesn't say you can get your guns back. I tried asking the FBI guys, they were like, well, you've got to talk to the state police. I tried calling the state police, and they were like, didn't answer at all because the even, mail that they gave me didn't even work. So, like, trying to figure out if I can do these things, again, are, it's turning out to be a little bit more troublesome than I thought it was going to be.

I mean, like, figuring out if I can vote or not isn't going to be quite as problematic as trying to figure out if I can get my guns back, because if I go to the voting place and try to vote, and the worst they can do is just say, ooh, sorry, you can't vote. Like, if I go and get my guns back and then I go. So, oh, hey, you're not allowed to have those guns. Then I'm right back in prison again. You know what I mean? So, like, I just have to figure out if I can, if it was, like, completely expunged.

If it just got me out of prison, I don't really know to what extent yet because I can't quite find anyone who has the answer for me yet. Well, what I will tell you is someone who has been pardoned should, in principle, have the gun rights and voting rights fully restored. But the reality is more complicated due to federal and state law, so how pardons affect gun and voting, this is what AI is saying. Federal law, ATF, gun control act of 1968, if a person is convicted of a felony,

they lose their second amendment rights under federal law. A presidential partner, state governor's pardon, can restore these rights if the pardon explicitly removes all legal disabilities. So I don't know if you have an attorney, but you might want to ask that. But if the state doesn't update its records, the ATF state still may consider

them a prohibited person when buying a firearm. So the interesting thing about that is, is going to be maybe a fight between the government in the states now with whoever that went to January 6th, I think it's going to be more of a state issue. And obviously, Illinois being a heavily Democrat state, that's who likely is going to restore your gun rights through record systems. And I wonder how fast that Illinois or some Democrat state's going to be eager to

restore those gun rights for January 6ers. But that is legally what you are supposed to be, you know, if you are pardoned for a felony, you are legally allowed all of your rights to be restored. But then the issue is going to be the state versus federal government. So what I see just based on Sherry's question is, you know, I think there's probably going to be states that are going to refuse to reinstate these rights based on a pardon, which could be a huge other thing. And maybe that's something that, you know, in the future that you might have to advocate for,

for all J-6ers or all people that was pardon. because I guarantee you that Hunter Biden and all of his pardons and all the preemptive pardons, you know, I guarantee you all of their shit is restored immediately. But the reality is for you guys, you're probably going to have to fight your states, especially if you're in a Democrat state. Well, we messed up because we have an R next to our name instead of a D next to our name. So like, you know, I guess it's my fault. Well, I'm glad you're out.

And I'm glad that you guys are back and reunited. I can't imagine. And I'm glad that we had the opportunity to interview you. And one of our listeners actually is the one that kind of connected us. I think Maddie. Yeah, Maddie, Matt. Yep. Yeah.

So what I will say is that I think that, you know, America is starting to heal, however that may be. And open their eyes and be awake, not woke. Yeah. And I don't know what that means. Do you, what do you see for the future, Jim Bob? Do you think that the, you know, the American public is going to stay awake going forward now that all of what has happened over the past four years and just kind of what we went through since Trump came into the picture from the very beginning. Do you think that's going to maintain over the years?

I mean, do you think this is going to be a continued thing? Because obviously you have all these colleges that are trying to indoctrinate all of our kids to, you know, go this woke ideology. Do you have hope for America? I do. The important thing to remember is that Trump, as great as he is, is not the be all and end all, right? Like, unless you're just going to instill him as God Emperor Trump, which I hope doesn't happen for the sake of our country, right? Yeah. Like, we still need, we still, I mean, I'm a constitutionalist, right?

Like, I believe that, you know, that was as good as it needs to be. Mm-hmm. So it's like, we need something after Trump. Mm-hmm. whether it's Don Jr. Vance, right? If we can keep it going for at least another, I mean, the next presidential cycle, the next one after that maybe, like if we can get like eight more years of a conservative president, I think we'll be in a pretty good spot.

I think, honestly, the funny, a lot of the, a lot of the actual accidental props have to go to all these liberal, parents because what do kids do? Kids rebel against their parents. So when you have two moms who are blue hair and screeching at you constantly, the rebellious version of that is to go and be like as traditional as you possibly can be. That's true. I think that these super crazy liberal parents are actually turning their kids on to these conservative minds. insets. So if we can get, if we can get just one or two generations where these people start going back to respecting the nuclear family, putting God back into the conversation,

just supporting your country and your military and just these general conservative values, just like one or two generations, and I think we'll be like on the right path again, right? Like if my kids, if I can pass my values onto my kids, I think I'll consider that a win. And if they can sit and if they pass that on to their kids, I mean, that's only doubly so. You know what I mean? It's just these. In order for, in order for this country to truly change and to be in a good place again, it all starts at home. And that's the biggest thing that I've taken away from this January 6th thing because it doesn't matter how loud that I yelled at.

January 6, I still went to prison for it. If I'm not at home teaching my kids these values that I hold so closely, what's going to happen? Because if I'm not here to teach my kids, who is teaching my kids? Right. As great as my wife is, they still go to school. Right? They're still around all these weirdos every day. Yeah. So if I can't, if I can't be louder than the weirdos in my kids' lives, then they're just going to turn into what I'm trying to fight against. That is very true. That's a great point. I agree with that. I think, yeah, so what you're basically saying, the fight starts at home and it does for your kids. You know, you need to make sure your kids understand and respect you. Have a good relationship for your kids and just make sure that, you know, here's the deal. You know, we're not going to force this on you, but just let's go through, you know, what reality really is versus what you see on YouTube or, you know, CNN or whatever the case is. and I think that's very important. And I also think that's been the fight.

And I think that's why the fight has always been in schools, especially in the past 10 years. Or they're trying to use teachers as the parents more so than the parents. And, you know, there's, I think that's the reason why there's both parents, usually working and to where they have no choice but to allow the system to parent their kids. So the more you can get past that, I think, the better. But, man, it's, it's refreshing to hear someone from your viewpoint. And I'm glad that you came on, Jim Bob, and told your story.

And as we've said, there are definitely violent protesters that were there that did things they definitely should not have done that would they would have been arrested in any other situation outside of political motives. But I also think there was a lot of provocateurs there. And we don't know the exact number of those provocateurs. And as we've said on other shows, this is not just for January 6th. We've seen provocateurs at Black Lives Matter riots. We've seen them in TIVA riots. And this has been throughout history that the United States government will invoke provocateurs through intelligence agencies to create narratives around what they want to create. And it's not hard.

I mean, just look at the Middle East for the feet's sake, you know what I mean? Middle East, Ukraine. I mean, even the Ukraine Russia thing. You know, when the Ukraine-Russia thing, we won't go too deep in this. But, you know, if you're Biden and Harris and you're going over there and meeting with Zelensky and then you're basically holding the press. conference and saying, yeah, we're going to get Ukraine into NATO. Yeah, hell, yeah, we're going to do this. It's like they were trying their desperate attempts to provoke Russia, which is exactly what

they did. Fortunately, right now, we have an administration in. We're going to still hold, you know, no matter whether we like Trump or the new administration, we still got to hold these people accountable. I always say that. It doesn't matter if you're a Republican, Democrat, whatever. You got to hold everyone accountable because they are at the end of the day, still the government.

Yeah, personally, I think that's part of the reason why I like. Trump so much is because I've always been of the belief that any government position like that, it should be closer to a volunteer position. You shouldn't, it shouldn't be, I mean, you shouldn't legally be allowed to be like the one person who can vote to give yourself a raise, right? Like, Trump doesn't need that money. He doesn't. He's doing it because he wants to be doing it. He's doing it because he feels like he needs to be doing it. And he's dang good. at it. Yeah. Right? Like, it's just when you get these people like Biden who've never held a job in the private sector, like he has never worked a fast food restaurant. He's never worked Walmart. He's

never worked a warehouse or a factory. Biden and people like him have been in government for their whole lives living off the teats of the taxpayers. Yeah. How can they be expected to have any stake in the game like the rest of us. How can they, they cannot understand what the rest of us are going through because they've never worked a nine to five before. It's so funny too, like hearing all this

Doge and Elon Musk talk and the left is freaking out because they're like, oh my God, he's going to have access to our data. He's going to have access to our money. And I'm like, bro, they're freaking billionaires. Like, would you rather have people that go into government to get rich off of your tax dollars? Or would you rather people go into government

they're already rich that don't need your tax dollars. Yeah. I mean. I want to know where all the eat the rich people are right now. Yeah. It's like, oh, eat the rich. Oh, unless they have a D next to their name. Oh, my mistake.

Well, and that's the thing. I don't know if you saw, but like the number one trending, well, there's like, there's like five trending search terms around Washington, D.C. on Google right now. It is RICO charges. It is a statute of limitations for RICO charges. And Rico basically is like a racketeering and all this stuff because there's a lot of federal employees in Washington right now. As Doge is uncovering all the fraud, they're looking up like, how bad could I be screwed with this? And look at Zillow.

All these houses are going up for sale now. Yeah. They're trying to run scared because they know that the hammer is coming down. The media is going to desperately try to make it out like Elon Musk is the devil and so is Trump. But the reality is, is that it's like, it's so crazy. And I told Sherry, I said, just because Trump and Elon's in does not mean it's over, does not mean everything's going to be. And, you know, for a podcast like ours where we talk about corruption, I told sure I was like, well, shit, after Trump's in, like, what are we going to, you know, I mean, we're going to obviously have to hold them accountable and make sure that everything's going right. But the deep state's not over.

They're not through. They're not just going to go away. They're not going to just go away. No. The fight's just starting. Yeah, I believe. so. I almost think it's probably going to be worse

than it has been because they're going to do everything they can to up in Trump's presidency and just the Republican. And there's probably going to be a lot of false flags. There's going to be a lot of things they try to blame on Trump and Elon and the team. And it even goes back to Operation Northwoods with

JFK where they wanted to blame Cuba for terrorist attacks that we were going to create. We might see some of that again to disrupt everything that we think is all good right now, but something's going to change, and it's going to change very fast, I believe,

but hopefully not. We'll see. And listen, we wish nothing but the best for y'all. And hopefully we'll talk to you guys in the future. Yeah, I'd love to keep in touch. Yeah,

I'd love to bring you back on for future episodes on other stuff. So just let us know whenever. Sure. All right. Well, hey, thanks for having us. You guys have been great. Yeah, no problem, man.

Hopefully, hopefully Maddie enjoys this episode, you know, Maddie, Maddie. Yeah, I don't even know exactly who Maddie is, but I need to reach out back to him and just thank him for the connection. Yes. And I did ask him if he wanted to come on. He's like, no, no, no, no, no. Well, he, he, I asked, I asked if anybody had any, uh, podcasts that they enjoyed listening to. And because I'm, I, I was interested in getting, you know, the whole thing out there because, like, there's just so much about it to talk about that you can't possibly cover in one.

you know, in one sitting. And he gave, well, I can't remember if he gave me your guys' information or if you guys reached out to me. But like, it was like, yeah, all right. Like, here we go. Let's do it. You know, but he's a, he's a big fan of your guys' shows. So I'm happy I was able to get in touch with you guys. Yeah.

And that's great. Well, thank you, Maddie. Thank you, Maddie. And, uh, and, and also Jim Bob. Yeah, but congratulations on your freedom. I'm so happy your home. and with your wife and your kids. I'm so happy for you.

Yeah, for sure. Thank you. Thank you. Well, Jim Bob and Jessica, we will pray for you. And, you know, look, you're part of history now, whether you like it or not. So there you go. Jim Bob, the revolutionary. It's got a nice ring to it, don't you think?

I love it. All right, man. Thanks again, guys. Guys, thanks for everybody listening tonight. This is Map of the Stars by First Timer. That was Jim Bob and his beautiful. wife, Jessica. I don't know if she's beautiful, but she's got to be. Jim Bob. I'm sure she is. I'm sure she is. Guys, until next time, we love you. Peace out. Peace out, guys.