Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - JFK Files Released | The Truth They Didn’t Want You to See

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

On this episode, we dive deep into the recently released JFK assassination files, declassified under the order of President Donald Trump. Many believed this would finally unveil the true story behind one of the most controversial moments in American history. What the documents reveal is shocking—but not in the way you might expect. However, you're in luck. In this episode, we break down who really assassinated JFK and present compelling forensic evidence that challenges the official narrative.

See through the deep and through this left, through the sadness. Uh-oh. I don't know how I'm... Hello and welcome to Investigator with Podcast. I'm your host shout alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Last night, the government once again tried to convince us that they've given up all their secrets about the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Another batch of so-called final files has been released, and yet the truth remains just out of reach. They want us to believe that Lee Harvey Oswald, a lone gunman, acted alone that there was no

conspiracy, no cover-up, no deeper story. But after 60 years of deception, does anyone still believe that? If this was just a simple case of a crazed assassin, why are documents still missing? Why are key pieces of evidence still redacted? Why do witness testimonies from that day contradict the official story only to be ignored or buried? And for decades, independent researchers and investigative journalists have followed the trail of inconsistencies, uncovering connections between the assassination, the intelligence community,

organized crime, and even figures within the highest levels of government. And among those accounts, one particular story stands out, one that suggests Oswald was far from alone and up building that day, a story of another man on the sixth floor, someone with a deep political connection whose presence was carefully erased from history. Tonight, we're going to take a closer look at this hidden piece of the puzzle. The story they don't want you to know, because the truth about what happened that day didn't die with JFK, it's been buried, hidden, and suppressed, but is still there. if we dig deep enough, the evidence tells the story far more sinister than the one we are being told currently.

Guys, welcome to the show. It is March the 19th, 2025. And I got to be honest, usually when we do this show, I always forget what day it is. But I know what day this day because the day before your birthday, Sherry. Yes, it is. Happy early birthday to me. Absolutely. Yes, guys, Sherry's birthday is tomorrow as we announced last night. So we will not be around tomorrow night, but we'll be back Friday night. We got a big story Friday night as well. And then we're going to be out of town Saturday. We'll be back Sunday. So there's kind of our schedule.

We've been pushing a lot of episodes out lately, but we've just been, there's so much going on. We kind of went through a little bit of a dry streak where there was not a ton of news. There was a lot of political stuff. And one thing that we have done a lot of over the past few years is cover political events. And so it's kind of been nice to get away from some of that. I've been heavily studying, obviously, the book of Enoch and the Bible and all of that, which you guys, if you want to find out, any of that. We just did an episode last night about the hidden giants around the world.

And so if you're interested in that type of stuff, please go listen to our last episode. We also, speaking of the episode, we're going to be doing this evening. We do have a JFK series that we did. I think it was about the second year that we launched this podcast. Or maybe even the first. It might have been the first. We were really new. We were. Absolutely. Now, we were new. I actually did a pretty cool intro to the podcast series. I love that intro. Which we may include in this episode. We'll see. but yeah the JFK thing you know up until i started doing a lot of research and even people just started being interested in the JFK files that were even available none of the JFK files really

told a big story it did not have a smoking gun at least leading up to now and then even now there's not really a smoking gun and one of the things i've said on the podcast over the past couple of weeks is that you know i will know if i see certain names or i search out things in these newly released files, whether or not they're telling the truth or not. And so luckily, I think it was very late last night. These files we were able to access. It was actually during the podcast we were recording last night.

And so I went to the files and I was like, oh my God, there's like 60,000 of these files. It was like 80,000, I think. Well, I don't even know that all 80,000 necessarily has been released. They're saying still that there are a lot of files that are not released still. We don't even know if we'll ever get those files. but then also there's so many of you that reached out and said, well, we'll see how much of those files are actually redacted. Now, with the new file release, there are a lot of those that are redacted.

But not just that. You know, there's everyone trying to figure out, like, what is the smoking gun? And they're going with various things throughout the files, whether it's Israel, the CIA, Russia, Cuba, you name it. There are all these theories. And we've talked over the past couple weeks. I've done a lot of research on the JFK assassination, and one book in particular that just blew me away was the men on the sixth floor. We've told you guys that you guys should go read it if you really want to know, in my opinion, exactly what happened on that day when JFK was assassinated. But we are going to go through two chapters tonight, and this is audio, so you don't have to listen to me, read it.

But it's audio. We're going to go through what I believe are the two most important chapters of the book. And we're going to compare it in contrast to what everybody out there saying right now. What are the smoking guns? What are all these threads on X? They're saying, oh, here's the most important pieces. Or are they really the most important pieces? Because they're still not delivering the evidence.

You know, and Sherry, this is what we said. I think we were talking last night after the show. Like, are they really just going to give us everything in the files and say, hey, here's how we did it? Here's what happened. Yeah. And how are people going to go through 80,000 or 60,000 files overnight, unless they put them in the files.

through AI, but I asked Chad, looking at some of these files, they're not just typed. Well, they're old typewriter looking files, but they also have handwritten notes on all of them. I don't think AI possibly can even read the handwritten note part, but I don't know. So how accurate is AI going to be reading all these files and giving people the best evidence or best facts that they're giving to people now? Yeah, I mean, well, most of the most important information is actually in the typed content, right? So AI is going to have to read the typed content as well as they're going to have to read the handwriting, I guess you can say. And it may be harder to obviously read some of the handwriting on there.

But nonetheless, a lot of the important stuff, whatever the important stuff actually is there is typed. And AI does a pretty decent job of actually reading things now. I mean, it's the same way that if you wonder why YouTube will automatically censor or blacklist, a video based on something that is shown on the video, not even something you say necessarily. And it's because algorithms and AI has gotten so good. They don't have to read anything. It don't have to actually be in text. It can obviously also be in picture or video.

So AI did pretty well. I think so far, GROC is the best AI at this. So they've done a lot of research. They've uploaded the entire, I guess, 80,000, 60,000 files, whatever it is, to GROC and various other AI systems. But I think GROC is done the best with this so far. Well, out of the 60,000 files, so far the best evidence that's come out about anything was that Joe Biden was a traitor, according to JFK Jr. Yeah, exactly.

No, JFK, absolutely, in a release said that, you know, when he was talking, I guess, to Biden directly in an email, says Joe Biden, you are a traitor to the United States. This was literally highlighted on one of the files, and it makes complete sense. So obviously, even back then in the 60s, Joe Biden probably. obviously was still a traitor to the United States. Makes complete sense. But here's a file, for example, that came out and everyone wanted to highlight this. And it says, we now have plenty of money. Our new backers are Jews as soon as we or they take care of Kennedy. So, you know, with X or any of these platforms, there has been, especially since October 7th, been this massive push to demonize anything from Israel, especially their involvement in the United States. And I'm not going to speak on

that neither here nor there about the validity of Israel's involvement necessarily in the JFK assassination. There were parts of the files that say that you must redact anything that mentions the Israeli intelligence. And, you know, but they, I guess, forgot to redact the part where they asked, you know, the files to be redacted by Israel. But it's not just Israel that needed to be redacted from the files. And Stephen Crowder does make a good point here. I'm not defending Israel in any way, shape, or form, you know, keeping in mind, this was back in the 60s. Don't even 100% know the influence of Israel on the United States in the 1960s, but regardless, it wasn't just the United States that was at, or the CIA that was asking for the CIA to

redact any mention of Israel. They also had a lot of mention or at least request to redact other countries. And so this is what Stephen Crowder said. I want to play this very quick clip. And he says, you know, the JFK files are out. There are a lot of hot claims. And let's start with Israel. Listen.

Here's another claim. Bombshell. The CIA exclusively requested the elimination of any and all mentions of Israel. Okay. That would be a bombshell. But the truth is that there have been plenty of redactions surrounding other. countries. And by the way, there were more redactions as it relates to Israel in previous documents than here. And you see, Israel mentioned. Are there some? Sure. But the same can be said for the USSR,

for Cuba, for Mexico. In some instances, they're redacted and in some they are not. Now, can you say there's something there? As far as a redaction? Sure you can. Can you make the claim that the redactions only apply to Israel? And there's, well, we know it's not. true because you're you're literally listing where Israel's mentioned. So there is Stephen Cratter's take on the Israel thing because there are a lot of influencers all over social media. That's the very first thing that I guarantee you they typed in the JFK assassination files was Israel.

They want to know any involvement in Israel because there is a massive push and there has been since October 7th, obviously, against Israel. But we're not going to get into that necessarily on this because in my opinion, I don't think any of that matters to the JFK. K assassination. It doesn't matter even about Russia or Cuba. I think this whole mentioning countries in these now declassified files is all a smokescreen. It is 100% to throw you off the trail of what actually happened.

And we're going to get into what I truly 100% believe actually happened to Kennedy that day. And I think when you leave listening to this podcast, when you are finished listening to this show, I think that you will also likely be convinced that you now also know what happened to John F. Kennedy and who was responsible for John F. Kennedy's assassination. And not just John F. Kennedy's assassination, Bobby Kennedy's assassination, because there is very close ties and connections to those two family members, right? So let's start here. There's another file. It says JFK file.

CIA document reveals Oswald's contact with Cuban exiles before assassination. A newly declassified records show that Lee Harvey Oswald was reported meeting Cuban exiles connected to intelligence operations in Mexico City just weeks before President Kenney's assassination. The report details Oswald's encounter during a trip to New York, where he was described as a very frightened man. One source suggested Oswald's expressed interest in defection. Despite the alarm and nature of these reports, officials took no further action. These files confirmed officials were aware of Oswald's contacts and potential threat, but did. not act. So this is one of the files.

Now, there are also many files that said that they took pictures of Oswald in Mexico. But the actual truth of this is that that never happened. When you actually look at the files or the pictures, and there are pictures actually out there somewhere of supposedly Oswald in Mexico going to meet someone as maybe a defector contactee to Cuba or to Russia or whatever you want to say. but in this particular case, it was in Mexico. It was not Lee Harvey Oswald that was doing this. It just didn't happen.

So I'm kind of saying all that to say this. I first want to go over what some of the public consensus or influencer consensus is of these documents. Because once we actually get to the part of the truth, in my opinion, you will understand that this is just yet another smokescreen. but then we also have to look at the implications of if what the book I read and the perspective of that book is true, what does it actually mean? And is it a CIA hit on JFK and Bobby Kennedy? Or is it just a group of hitmen that was employed by someone very high up in our government to take out JFK for many reasons? But I do think I know some of the reasons for this. I want to first get to a clip of Glenn Beck.

And this is Glenn Beck's biggest discoveries from the JFK files so far. And before we get in this clip, I want to let you guys know. Please go follow us on X and all of our social media platforms. That is where we post on a regular basis. We do also post on Facebook and Instagram. We're going to start having a lot of videos out on our platforms as well, including our YouTube. We do have a YouTube account. Don't know how long that will last once we start posting videos.

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I got a busy day today because I'm going out to a shooting range because we have the, only gun that we know of that is an exact copy of the gun Oswald used to kill President Kennedy because it's a real weird hodgepodge of guns. It was the one that killed Kennedy has a different scope on it. Very rare, very hard to find. I think it's might even be a Russian school. I can't remember. The scope is from someplace. There's parts of this gun. They're from someplace else. And so, you know, we wanted to get, because we don't have the real gun, we wanted to get one just like it took us two years to a set.

And by the way, he's already obviously saying the narrative of a one shooter, Lee Harvey Oswald, which is what basically the file said. I mean, these files, if you guys want to know the breakdown in a very short increment, it is that Lee Harvey Oswald still is the lone gunman. There is no evidence for anything outside of that, although there is 100 percent a plethora of evidence outside of that. So you're going to start seeing influencers that are pushing the same narrative that these files are showing.

And we'll see what more Glenn Beck has to say here. But so far, he's saying, we went and found the rifle that Lee Harvey Oswald used to. Which is a Mouser. I believe it's the Mouser. Yeah, Mouser rifle, which is one of the weapons they found, or at least the weapon. According to Dallas police, they actually found a couple of other weapons during or after, I guess, the assassination. but regardless, Glenn Beck here is saying so far that, hey, we found a weapon just like Lee Harvey Oswald used and listen to some more of this.

And all of the parts. So it's an exact copy of it. I'm going out to a shooting range today and we're going to do our first test. Just I've got some sharp shooters with me. And we'll we'll post some of this on X as we do it live today. But then you'll be able to see all of it because we're going to another. shooting range, hopefully next week, to get moving targets to see if they can make these shots. But it should be interesting today. You can watch for it on X. And then that'll be next week as we go through everything that has been released on the JFK files because it's going to take us a while. Anybody who says, oh, I, they don't have any idea.

80,000 documents are being released. So you know, well, Jason is here. He's our chief researcher for the TV show. 80,000 documents. How long would that have taken us to go through for staff? What do we have, eight people on it right now? How long without GROC or AI assist? How long would that take us?

We'd still be basically taping our eyelids open and still staring at it. We wouldn't even be close to attempting to be even what, like a quarter of the way through it. Okay. So yesterday, describe the process. What happened? So they started releasing the documents. Well, I thought they were going to be delayed, but they finally started coming through around like five or six central, something like that. So we immediately went to work.

Initially, there was 113 pages of these documents. But on each different page, there was about 10 PDFs per page. And those PDFs had multiple pages within the PDFs. So all in all, it was probably around 12 to 1,300 pages of stuff. It was insane. But to go through this now and, you know, the modern age, all we have to do is go through, download each little different PDF and start feeding that into whatever artificial intelligence program that you want to use.

Right. And then start, if you know the right prompts, you can start looking for things that are relevant, things that are new, things that contradict old disclosures. It was actually pretty amazing. Yeah. So, you know, we are, you know, one of the things that is very important to me is the ethics of using AI. And I don't know if a lot of people even care about it, but I do, and my staff does deeply. We have had, I mean, we've had really heartfelt, you know, round after round of what's ethical,

what's not ethical. So, you know, we are not AI powered. Our research team is not AI powered. It is powered by people who use AI. And there's a big difference in that, as you will start to see as days go by and more and more people just use AI to do all their thinking. We use it as a tool to go through to be able to do things we just couldn't do before. 80,000 documents, as you said, it was 1,200 documents last night. 80,000 will. Now, I know Glenn Beck here wants to say that his team is not AI powered. They use AI as a tool.

We get it. Look, this is Sherry and I on our podcast. We have to use AI to research stuff. And but oftentimes as well, not only do we. use one platform, we use multiple. And then on top of that, we use Google. On top of that, we'll try to read books. On top of that, we'll try to actually go and find investigators that have investigated things, historical context, whatever it is, to also back up or compare in contrast to what AI is saying. But if you're not using AI today, then that's just stupid. And, you know, I mean,

literally. And obviously, they did use AI. But that's still saying that, hey, we're going to use AI to tell us what the government is telling us is the truth. And so now you have two various sectors of information dissemination. You have AI that is telling you what the files say. And so you think it's really cool. The AI is telling you this. But then it's also still what the government is saying is true. And I think it also has to do with how you ask AI to look at things.

What keywords are you looking for? What are you looking for that's different in the files from the other files? And that has to do with the user. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and especially with a lot of my research, you know, obviously I did look up Israel because everybody was talking about Israel. So I was like, let's just see what it says about Israel. But that was definitely not the first thing I looked up. I looked up Malcolm Wallace.

I looked up Lee Factor. I looked up Kinzer. I looked up all of these various people that most nobody at all in any way, shape, or form that I have seen yet have even mentioned or talked about on social media. and although I do believe this is the actual story, you can't hardly find it at all. I mean, no one's talking about none of the biggest influencer talking about these people that literally have been connected in ways that we're talking about fingerprints, which we're going to get into. So let's listen to some more of what Glenn Beck says.

Because forever, just the 1,200 that we went through that was the first batch would have taken us weeks to go through. Yeah. So it's a very big help. but we also then go back and check everything. Let me go through some of the things that I know that were found yesterday. You tell me also anything that I'm missing here on what was found. But there's a couple of things. One document is a memo on a release passage from a political magazine, Ramparts, from 1967,

about an intelligence agency, a CIA informant and former U.S. Army Captain John Garrett Underhill. And he wrote, the day after the assassination, I'm sorry, the story wrote, the day after the assassination, Gary Underhill left Washington in a hurry. Late in the evening, he showed up at the home of a friend in New Jersey. He was very agitated. The passage starts, a small click within the U.S. was responsible for the assassination. He confided to his friend. would be afraid, he was afraid for his life and probably would have to leave the country. Less than six months later, he was found shot to death in his Washington apartment.

Coroner ruled it as suicide. The note was known, what was said, on intimate terms, with a number of high-ranking CIA officials. The passage has been shared last night. over and over again, that's probably one of the bigger passages that came out, you know, that was shared on X and everything else. But as they, you know, people were like, oh, it's already been released. Yeah, but we didn't actually have the document. Another document that was making the rounds, one line in the document stated that the KGB watched Oswald closely while he was in the USSR,

but files indicated that Oswald was a poor shot when he tried target, target practice in the Soviet Union. Another detail released was a letter sent by a man in 1978. He was a Soviet, and he made this comment to the British Embassy. He claimed that he was detained in London on July 18, 1963, and questioned by authorities. He said that he told them about Lee Harvey Oswald, saying he planned to kill the president. He added that he warned American Vice Council, Tom Blackshare, of the plans of Oswald, who was trying to defect to Russia. Okay, so that's kind of a big deal. But what does that say to you?

So far, that just says, now, hang on. If you're driving, I shouldn't say, I'm going to give you time to pull over. Because this is going to be a shock to you. You pull over? Okay. What it says is our government is incompetent. I know. Could have had a car wreck if I didn't tell you before you pulled over.

Oh, yeah. It says our government's incompetent. Okay, so this is what I'm saying. Like, with influencers like Glenn Beck. And listen, I decently like Glenn Beck. But I still think he's. kind of pushing the narrative of incompetent government, of defecting to Russia, to the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald was in the USSR during this time, which by the way, was the height of

and around the Cold War era. We knew that we had this ongoing situation with the USSR during this time. And so if you are the CIA or a small click of people that Gary Underhill said was responsible for the assassination of John F. Kennedy, what would you likely want to try to do, especially if you're going to frame or patsy someone into the JFK assassination during the time where we were heavily against Russia, which is what the Biden-Harris administration was as well and pretty much so many presidents before Trump? What would you do? Well, you would want to somehow send Lee Harvey Oswald to Russia to USSR. You would even want to send him out there and do

target practice and do all this BS so that hopefully your narrative could then be spun that he was a Russian asset or spy that came in to kill the president of the United States to therefore hide and cover up what you yourself did what the CIA and this small click of people which is what Gary Underhill said in this release document actually happened because that is what happened it is a small click of people we don't know exactly how many people 100 but what we do know is that it was, you know, we say small click. We just know at least probably five, six, seven, or eight. We at the very least know there was, let's see, one, two, three, four, five, I think probably five people just in the generalized story of what I have researched.

But then there was also a lady that was involved. That was a young lady that was almost in some ways coordinating things between people that were involved in this, including Lee Factor, Malcolm Wallace, Jack Ruby, Lee Harvey Oswald. She was there in the room at a depository that day on the sixth floor with the guys that potentially shot JFK. But who was she? We don't know exactly. But what we do know is that she still to this day is damn near unidentified.

we don't ever know who she actually was. But what we do know is that during that time, I guess, you know, to what Lee Factor says. And you're about to find out who Lee Factor is in just a moment. But what Lee Factor said was the entire time they were on the sixth floor, this was with Lee Harvey Oswald, Malcolm Wallace, himself,

maybe another, that she was on a radio, a two-way radio, the entire time, talking to someone throughout this entire process as this parade route was coming around and as it was setting up for their shots and I say shots because there was definitely more than one. There was two windows open that day. They even tried to hide that fact that there was two windows open in a depository. I think there was actually three windows open in depository that day.

But regardless of the fact, she was constantly on radio the entire time. So according to Lee Factor, he didn't know exactly why she was on radio. Was she on radio with, you know, whoever their handlers were during this entire time to kind of to make sure that the shots were ready. They knew where the turns were coming. They knew when they had to be, you know, I guess shoot ready.

Or was she communicating with other shooters? Because that's also a possibility as well. Yeah. From another direction or angle. And so this whole thing is like people just are, you know, like Glenn Beck is like, well, yeah, he's Russia, Cuban. he's meeting in Mexico.

They're all trying to blame another country. But the reality is, and I think whoever this Gary Underhill guy is, which I don't know exactly who this guy is. Well, he's afraid for his life. But what was interesting that Glenn Beck said out of all of this is that Lee Harvey Oswald went to Russia to practice shooting and he was a poor shot. You can't be a poor shot if you're trying to assassinate the president of the United States of America. Yeah, you're exactly right. And he never was a great shot, actually, including his military service. So, you know, very interesting there as well.

But then you had Jack Ruby. And we also know, just for everybody that go ahead, sir. I was going to say, and that's what's crazy is you keep calling Jack Ruby, where we know Jack Ruby is the one that shot Oswald. Yeah, Oswald, yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Jack Ruby shot Oswald. They knew that Jack Ruby was going to shoot Oswald from the very beginning.

They knew that Jack Ruby was also going to die in this whole conglomerate plan. But Jack Ruby was there planning with Oswald and Malcolm Wallace and Lee Factor days before the shooting happened. So as we've always been told the story about Jack Ruby, you know, he's a nightclub owner. Yeah, he just was pissed off, I guess, that, you know. Yeah, he shot him. Yeah, exactly, which is all bullshit. They were all part of the plan. They were all in meetings and plannings in either a club, potentially Jack Rubies.

we don't know for sure exactly where this was, but from what Lee Factor says, which is, and I'll go and tell you a little bit about Lee Factor. We're about to get into a clip about who Lee Factor is. Lee Factor is a admitted accomplice in the JFK assassination. He actually told his story to a group of investigative journalists, in particular the guys that worked very hard on the book the men on the sixth floor. He said he was there. He had various stories that completely 100% add up to the truth. And he is the one that originally and initially met Malcolm Wallace.

Malcolm Wallace was this Hispanic type dude that showed up to him at a, at a, I think it was a funeral. I think they had a funeral that was going on for a congressman in Texas. And they knew that JFK was going to be there for the actual funeral. And so he decided, along with many other people during this time, Lee Factor I'm talking about, to show up to this because they all wanted a sight of President Kennedy. That was why so many people showed up to this funeral, not because of the actual funeral, but because President Kennedy was going to be an attendant. And back then, you know, when President showed up places, and I even remember, I will never forget in Hendersonville, North Carolina, when George Sr. drove down through with his motorcade down Four Seasons Boulevard. you know, we found a way to go find the route of where he was to sit and watch the motorcade come through. This is what people did back then.

And this was obviously much earlier than the experience I experienced. But this is what happened. And during this time, Lee Factor actually met Macon Wallace, which is very interesting. It is. And this is kind of how some of the plan originally started. And I just want to ask you a question about Jack Ruby. And I guess it does make sense if he was in on it, why he did kill Oswald. Because he didn't want Oswald to talk.

And they wanted him to be the lone man that went down as killing JFK Jr. So if they could have him dead, he can't talk. Yeah. It's kind of like Epstein. Well, no, that's the way it goes. I mean, if you have anyone involved, you got to kill all of them. You know, most of them. You know, we still don't know what happened to the girl.

That was their kind of coordinating things. And I want to ask you about the girl. want to ask you about the girl, did it say in the book at all? Obviously, she must have had some kind of accent if she was not from America. Did she have an American accent? Was she from a different culture, a different place? Or did it say anything like that? Well, you know, just for that, let's just go ahead and get into the clip, right? Because I, we got to talk about the clip first and foremost because the clip of, and this is from the book, the men on the sixth floor. This is chapter four. And chapter four is the story about Lee Factor and his experience with, it's the Loy Factor story, right?

That's what they call it. And I want you guys to hear this right now. And then we can talk more about this. Listen. When President Kennedy was struck down on that historic Friday in 1963, I was a 10th grader making a bookshelf in woodshop class. Like millions of others, I will never forget the impact of that. day of that week, while I watched in black and white the sad, ceremonious end of the young presidency. Although I came to question the official explanation of how this crime occurred, I certainly

didn't consider myself an assassination buff. Never in my wildest dreams did it occur to me that I would someday be drawn into an investigation of this decade's old crime. Yet by a series of random events I would be. My life crossing Mark Colum's life was one of those random events. I'd not seen Mark in over four years, but in the winter of 1975, he and his lovely new wife, Christy, showed up at our home in Northern California. It was to be the rekindling of an old and lasting friendship that began when we were in high school together in 1965. During our visit, Mark filled me in on the missing years of his life, his arrest in imprisonment, but most important, he described his brief friendship with Loy Factor while in McAllister Prison,

a story that was to become the seed of this book. I listened with great interest as he repeated the chilling account related to him by Loy Factor back in the summer of 1971. Prior to meeting Mark, Loy had confessed his involvement to no one but his wife, Juanita. Perhaps Loy's motive in telling Mark was simply the need to purge his soul from guilt, but whatever his reason, Loy's remarkable and detailed description of the assassination and its surrounding events convinced Mark that he was telling the truth. I could tell that my friend had been totally convinced. It was then. It was then. that I recalled something I had once read in the book Rush to Judgment,

an early criticism of the Warren Commission's report by author Mark Lane. Up to that point, it was the only book I had ever read concerning the assassination of President Kennedy. I found the reference and showed it to Mark. In Chapter 5, Lane tells of young Arnold Rowland, who, minutes before the shooting, saw two men on the sixth floor, and one of them was holding a rifle. That makes sense, doesn't it? Mark exclaimed.

It was probably Loy or the man who hired him that this guy saw. Arnold Rowland was here with his wife on Houston Street in the crowd waiting for the motorcade. But he told the commission, and a few days ago, repeated his story for us here, of seeing a gunman lurking in another window entirely. I just marked that he must be a security guard, secret service agent. The one that you're referring to is on the opposite end of the building from where the main entrance to the building is. Yes, it is on the other side of the building. And he had a rifle.

It looked like a high-powered rifle because it had a scope which looked in relation to the size of the rifle to be a big scope. I suggested that we called Dick Stewart a friend who was an attorney. And later that evening, Mark related the whole story to him. Dick was fascinated with it and suggested that we tape recorded, which we did the next day. Then we discussed our options for dealing with the information. Should we contact the FBI, the Secret Service, or the CIA? How about contacting Edward Kennedy? The decision was finally made to send the tape to a friend of stewards who was an investigative

reporter in Los Angeles. Our reasoning was that the news media was responsible for blowing the lid off the recent Watergate scandal. Not the government. Perhaps in the hands of the media, we hoped the same results would occur. Well, months went by without a word from the reporter. We finally assumed that he had run into a dead end or had dropped the investigation. We couldn't help but wonder if Loy was still alive.

Had the reporter found him and determined that there was no validity to the story? Well, we never found the answer. The Loy Factor story was never forgotten, however. In 1992, the movie JFK had America talking about the Kennedy assassination again. Magazines, newspapers, and television programs dealt with a controversy in one form or another. In a Life magazine article on the assassination, Mark noticed. a picture of Larry Howard, a consultant for the movie JFK, and the director of the JFK Assassination Information Center in downtown Dallas. Mark called Dallas, got in touch with Larry,

explaining that he had information about the assassination that he felt could be useful. While Mark told him the story, Larry listened carefully, jotting down notes, names, and dates. He was impressed with the information and promised to investigate. Mark immediately called me from his home in the Midwest. We were both excited. Finally, after 17 years, a knowledgeable investigator was going to look into the Loy Factor story. Within a couple of weeks, Larry called Mark back. He had driven north to Tishomingo, Oklahoma, and talked with Mr. John Small, the reporter, a columnist with the Johnson County Capital Democrat. a local weekly newspaper.

John searched the papers' archives for any information about Loy, the murder of his wife, and the subsequent trial. Larry also went into the county courthouse to obtain information, and although he was unable to determine whether Loy Factor was still alive, he was able to verify details of the manhunt and the murder trial. Larry was determined to look into the case further. Meanwhile, Mark and I had been trying to locate the tape made back in 1975 for Dick Stewart. We discovered that Dick had passed away, and with him, hope of ever finding the tape or the reporter he had sent it to.

Later, as events unfolded, Mark and I flew to Dallas to meet with Larry Howard at the JFK assassination information center. We then drove to nearby Tishomingo. Oklahoma in an effort to locate Loy Factor. The trip to Tishamingo proved most interesting. We met with John Small and the staff of the Capitol Democrat and checked out several old newspaper articles concerning factors arrest and trial. One of the clippings highlighted the fact that Loy was a skilled woodsman and hunter.

Other articles verified many of the things Mark had been told by factor while in the hospital, such as the night that someone shot at him, wounding him, and they are while still in Johnson County Jail. We also verified, just as Loy had said, that he was captured after the largest manhunt in Southern Oklahoma history. Several other articles recounted the trial, verifying Loy's testimony that pointed to his stepdaughter Deborah as the murderer. A humorous note to the trial was the

County Sheriff's interruption of the proceedings to ask for the key to the jail. It was in Loy Factor's shirt pocket. Since Johnson County did not have the funds to hire a jailer, Factor, a well-behaved prisoner was given trustee status, complete with the jailhouse key. Mark's faith in Loy's truthfulness grew. The public record was substantiating everything that he had been told, including the events that seemed far-fetched such as...

I got to pause here because I think there's something this chapter's not telling, and I want everybody to understand this. It's a loy factor. The reason why he was in jail, his wife was murdered, okay? And so he also had a stepdaughter and her husband, I guess, at a time, and they had hidden some money. They had hidden some money that no one necessarily at the time knew where Loi Factor got this. money. And they'd hidden this money in like a safe. They put it off, you know, kind of in safekeeping.

At one point in time, I guess the stepdaughter and the husband, which were poor, they were kind of, you know, criminals, I guess at the time. They went to the wife, to their mother, to her mother, and ask where the money was, you know, because they needed some money. And they were trying, or they were just trying to kind of search around and trying to kind of ask questions to say, hey, you know, where, where's the money at or whatever? And Loy Factor, under that they were asking questions about the safe where all this money was that no one knew where a lawyer factor got this money. Although, come to find out, he actually got this money from his participation in the JFK

assassination. But he was on trial at the time for murder, it sounds like. Of his wife, no. But this was, yeah, so this was all the lead up to the murder trial and why he was ever actually in prison. So then he went and moved the money somewhere else. And then they had found out potentially where this was. then long story short he his entire plea and everything was that he never murdered his wife it was

the stepdaughter or husband that murdered the wife because they refused or or she refused to actually give up the money or give up where the money was and it was kind of a struggle during this time but the money actually came from the assassination and how loy factor was paid during this time the assassination of jfk junior yes and it was probably not in a safe it was probably very somewhere. Well, either way, though, I often think about this too, because, you know, you think about this murder story where his wife gets murdered. And they never...

And that's what he was on trial. That's why he went to prison, yes. So they never penned it on the stepdaughter or husband either, but they blamed it on Loy Factor, although there was actually no evidence of that either. But then as he was in jail, he literally got shot at in jail while he was in a cell. someone tried to assassinate him while he was in prison outside of the actual not prison but outside of the actual jail so this leads me to start believing that obviously the people that were involved in this scheme wanted him dead wanted him dead so maybe they started with putting him in prison and then they knew that maybe he started talking whatever the case was so then they tried to assassinate him through the jail and this is actually documented case someone shot at him through the the window into his cell into jail. And they actually did hit him.

They didn't kill him, but they did hit him. Well, it sounds kind of familiar with Lee Harvey Oswald. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, everybody that was going to be involved in that, likely we're going to be murdered. Yes. And so for Loy Factor and sorry, I keep saying Lee, excuse me, Loy Factor in this case, you know, he just so happened to survive.

And one of the only stories that we have of potentially what happened that day was from Loy Factor. Let's get into a little more of what this chapter says. Boy's possession of the jailhouse key. Then, finally, we located Factor's sister-in-law who pointed us to where Loy was living. We were also given his landlord's phone number, and a call that evening verified our hopes. Loy Factor was still alive. The distance was too far to drive on our short schedule, so we may, made plans to fly there as soon as possible. It was decided that Mark and Larry Howard would go

together to talk to Loy, equipped with a tiny tape recorder. We all wondered what his reaction would be. Would he deny the story? Would he even talk to them? It was during this period that the idea of writing them in on the sixth floor was born. We decided that if Loy cooperated and admitted his participation in the assassination, we would urge him to break his silence of 30 years at that time and come forward to tell the world what he knew. We felt the anxiety of standing at the proverbial crossroads. Time seemed to stand still while arrangements were made to contact Loy. When Mark and Larry finally reached Loy's home on February 11, 1993, they were surprised to find that he had developed a serious heart problem and was in a nearby hospital.

The two men, along with Ron Ataberry, another researcher, drove to the hospital and walked into Loy's hospital room, tape rolling. Loy was, to say the least, surprised by his visitors, but was very friendly and after a few minutes of a conversation, began to remember Mark, it had after all been over 20 years. To assure Loy that he believed him to be innocent of his wife's murder, Mark said, I don't know if you remember me, but I spent a lot of time up there with you, going over the trial transcripts, and I want you to know that I believe you.

I believe it was your stepdaughter. Yeah, it was her, Loy responded. I believe it was, Mark reiterated. It was her, and she'd done all this, and I went through this whole thing. thing. You told me that she did it for money. Yeah, lawyer replied. Do you remember telling me that? Yeah, her and that boy she was with. What was his name? Sam Davis. Yeah, Sam Davis. He died, you know, he used to come up there and he'd hang around all the time, you know, tried to take her off.

He caused a lot of trouble. Then Mark carefully addressed the subject of the assassination. Boy, do you remember how you told me you got the money, the $10,000? Yeah. That you were involved down there with Kennedy? Yeah. And how you went to Sam Rayburn's funeral and that fella contacted you on the street? Remember telling me that?

Yeah. You were involved with that, weren't you? Yeah. I was kind of. I was a little bit in it. We like to know the true story. Doesn't scare you to talk about it, does it? No. Lloyd's reluctance to elaborate was understandable.

Confined to a hospital bed, two strangers and one barely recognizable old friend Barjan, asking probing questions about his sordid past. Furthermore, the Indian was sedated. Nevertheless, his memory was still sharp enough. to recall many details of the past. What did they pay you the $10,000 to do? Loy stammered through an unconvincing explanation of how he merely assisted the group, that the woman was the radio operator.

Oswald and the man who hired Loy were the shooters and that he had been nothing more than some sort of backup. He reaffirmed the story of Sam Rayburn's funeral in his chance meeting with a stranger and the target practice incident, and is being picked up and driven to Dallas two days before the assassination. He told of the little house that served as the base of operation and individuals at the house, including the appearance of Jack Ruby and Lee Oswald. He stated that after the shots were fired, everyone but Oswald escaped out the back door of the book building,

while he and the young woman were leading the way. Larry Howard prodded Mark to ask the Indian about the elevator. Did you use the elevators or the stairs, Mark asked? We went by the stairs. So you went out the back of the building? Yeah, back towards the north side. The back door did face north. Loy was very exact when it came to directions.

What did the back look like when you went out? When you went out the back, north. Like? It looked like some kind of dock. Doc? Yeah, dock. Like a loading dock? Yeah.

Was it concrete? It was like a porch, kind of like a porch. Mark, Larry and Ron looked at each other and then at Loy. Larry was impressed with this small detail that the man had just related. How did this man know that in 1963 the Texas School Book Depository had on its north side a loading dock? it was later removed. This guy knows what he's talking about, Mark whispered to Larry. Loy added that when he exited the back of the building,

no one was there since everyone was out in front watching the motorcade. Loy and the young woman got into a car and drove away from the scene. The woman then drove Loy to the Greyhound Bus Depot. The bus depot is where Oswald went after the shooting, Larry informed Mark. Loy was getting very tired at this point, and so the interviewers decided to cut it short and come back the next day to which Loy agreed. At this point, before leaving, Mark exhorted Loy to allow us to write a book about his involvement with the assassins, the truth about his wife's murder and his life story. Loy consented but insisted that if any story was written, it must contain the truth. Mark assured him that finding the truth was the very reason he had come all the way to Oklahoma.

The next morning, the trio arrived at the hospital with a list of more questions, but were informed by the nursing staff that Factor no longer wished to see the visitors. Mark was disappointed, but was heartened when Larry reminded. him that the Indians' reaction was quite normal under the circumstances. It probably pondered overnight about what he had told the three visitors and had become afraid. We decided to give it a rest for a few weeks, then make a written request for an other interview. Under the circumstances, that was all we could do. All right, so there you go.

Listen, guys, I'm trying to get through the most important pieces of this book, and I think that you guys should go read the book in its entirety, but it is publicly available in audio and video. That's why we're actually playing these clips of the book. One thing I want to talk about that we have not got to that if you go and read the book where he's talking about target practice. So the same guy, Malcolm Wallace, which we're about to get to in just a moment, Malcolm Wallace at this funeral that where Loy Factor was on the street with his family and this guy comes up to him.

and says they start having this conversation. And maybe it's the fact of Lloyd Factor's history. We don't know it for sure, but this guy came up to him, start talking to him. They got into some of the military stuff, the shooting stuff. And this guy just was asking him all these questions. And then it was like something connected to this Malcolm Wallace guy that says, oh, man, that's cool. He's like, would you be willing to do a job one day, you know, and, you know, give me all your information. We'll reach back to you.

about seven months later after this or so loy factors at his home he had given malcolm wallace at this time his address so this guy and girls show up at his house they approach uh loy factor and they say hey we would uh you want to go shoot outside you know because he loy factor had this property and you know he was a avid hunter and shooter so as malcolm wallace guy's like hey do you want to go shoot it was like target practice. And they just want to see how good Loy Factor was of a shooter. And so they go out

and they set up these targets and Loy Factor is an ace shooter. Kick an ass on everything is shooting. And at that point is when they offer Loy Factor some money and says we're going to be in contact and when we're in contact and when we come back, we're going to pick you up.

You know, you're going to be at this place. And Loy at that time did not understand what the job was, but he likely knew that it was not good. It was not a good job. It wasn't something you were going to go do a target. It's definitely going to be something about shooting somebody. Yeah, potentially.

He just didn't know. But also, Loyfactor didn't have a lot of money. You know, he was an Indian American. He did not have a ton of money. And so therefore, you know, he was like, yeah, he needed money. His wife needed money. His family at a time needed money. And so he said, yeah, I'm willing to do it.

And they offered him a certain amount of money. Well, back then, $10,000 was a lot of money. Absolutely. Back in the 1960s for sure. Now, guys, I know that we could, the reason I want to play this is because everybody right now is talking about a JFK files and we have to play a couple more clips. So this next part is the second interview with Loy Factor. And this is where he kind of goes more into detail. Then the next part that we're going to play after this is the Malcolm Wallace connection.

and what I believe is the proof not only that Lee Harvey Oswald was not alone. He was not the main shooter. But we're also going to talk more about who Malcolm Wallace was. What was her, what was his connections? Who was he connected with? And how high up was he? Was he a CIA guy? Was he one of these head-up CIA guys?

Because what I can tell you just briefly is that Malcolm Wallace was not no dumb dude. He was like Hispanic looking as far as skin color. but he went to universities. He later went on to work for defense intelligence or, you know, government contracted defense companies. So maybe you might think of in comparison today of Lockheed Martin or Raytheon or something like that. Right.

He went to work for defense contractors. So not only was he brilliant, he was also a guy that was connected to government or contracted companies. And he was heavily traveled. He was highly connected. And also was a convicted murder. Let's just, let's start there. Malcolm Wallace was a convicted murderer that got off with a slap on the wrist.

And it was because the only reason that Malcolm Wallace got off with a slap on the wrist is because of how his connection to Lyndon B. Johnson was. How interesting. Much of a connection. And guess who during his murder trial, guess who his attorney was? It was Lyndon B. Johnson's right-hand man attorney. Everything that, everything that Malcolm Wallace ever got into. guess who showed up. It was the attorney of Linda B. Johnson and that entire family.

And he was probably the best of the best. But I have to just put this in there, too. When we did all the research about JFK, and I'm talking probably six, seven years ago, so I am not, you know, my memory's a little fuzzy. But I know for a fact that Lee Harvey Oswald was seen meeting with some type of CIA agent. Or FBI asset or whoever. or some kind of asset that was with the government.

Absolutely. Because, and we're going to get more into this as we start kind of digging it, because this is going to be a decently, you know, it's going to be, I don't know how long this episode is going to be. It doesn't matter. The point is that we got to paint the picture of what actually happened, the JFK, because we're seeing all this stuff on social media. And the reality of the truth is in these tapes.

And so that's why I want to specifically play the second interview, which we're going to play now. And this is the second interview of the man on the sixth floor with Loy Factor. Listen. The second interview. Mark and I prepared to interview Loy Factor for his second time, my first. I listened repeatedly to the tapes of the first interview and then carefully prepared a list of questions. I also began to read a mountain of assassination books and articles.

The more I read, the more Lloyd's account of the assassination seemed plausible. The readily available eyewitness testimony suggests more than one person was on the sixth floor of the Texas schoolbook depository building. Earlier I referred to Arnold Rowland, a young married man who was in Daly Plaza with his wife to see the motorcade. He stated that he saw two men on the sixth floor. one with a rifle, minutes before the flurry of shots struck down the president. But Roland was not alone in this observation. Carolyn Walther, waiting for the arrival of the president at a position on Houston Street, noticed two men in an upper-story window of the depository about five minutes prior to the assassination.

One of them wore a brown suit coat. The other wore a white shirt, and held a rifle in his hand. Now, over here, Dan, still on Houston Street and not very far from the Rollins, was Mrs. Carolyn Walter. Mrs. Walter says that she saw two men with a gun in the book depository.

I looked at this building, and I saw this man with the gun, and there was another man standing to his right, and I could not see all of this man, and I couldn't see his face. And the other man was holding a short gun. It wasn't as long as a rifle. And he was pointed down, and he was kneeling in the window or seeing.

His arms were on the window. And he was holding the gun in a downward position. Like Roland, she assumed that the men were part of the president's security detail. Another witness, Richard R. Carr, a steel worker, reported seeing a man wearing a tan sport jacket and horned-rimmed glasses standing in a sixth floor window minutes before the shooting after the shooting he saw the same man walking away from the scene on commerce street ruby henderson who was across the street from the depository recalled a similar scene as the above examples two men a prisoner on the sixth floor of the dallas jail john powell stated that he along with Other inmates observed two men on the corresponding floor of the schoolbook depository building, one of whom appeared to be Latin.

The bulk of the evidence seemed undeniable. At least two people were on the sixth floor shortly before the shots were fired at the president, and one of them is often described as dark-skinned. Loyfactor was a dark-skinned Indian, and the man who hired him was also described as dark-skinned. We hope to find out more about the man who recruited Loy. Who was he? What was his name? And who was the young Latina?

How did Jack Ruby fit into the picture? We wondered if Loy would be willing to divulge these details. Loy greeted us from his wheelchair as we entered his humble mobile home, situated on a rural northern Oklahoma farm. A light snow was starting to fall while Mary, Loy's wife of five years, stoked up the wood stove and asked us to sit down. This was my first meeting with Loy Factor. He seemed older than his 67 or so years, probably due to the hard life he had lived, but also because of his fragile physical condition. In addition to heart disease, he suffered from diabetes. In 1964, one leg had been amputated below the knee.

and recently half of his remaining foot had been removed. He spent his days in a wheelchair, relying on Mary and his sons to care for him. He appeared comfortable with Mark, but somewhat unsure of me. Together, Mark and I assured him that his decision to relate the details of his knowledge of the assassination was the right thing to do. He needed the occasional encouragement that we would give him. He said that he'd spent many hours pondering over what to do. It would have been much easier to deny any association with the assassination of President Kennedy,

but he knew that it was important to come out with the truth. Now, while he was still alive. His recent illness and hospitalization had made him think seriously about many things, especially the events of 1963 and the murder of his wife five years later. He apologized. for having turned us away at the hospital, explaining that he had been startled by the visit and was simply too weak and sedated to deal with any more questions at the time.

And his memory was locked away so much that needed to be told. Loy felt it was an omen that Mark and the other researchers showed up as they did in his hospital room. He had been thinking soberly about what he was about to tell us. Loy called it studying. He said, I sat here the last few nights studying all that went on back then. The name of that man that I met in Bonham was Wallace, and the girl, her name was Ruth Ann. Mark and I looked at each other. We had come to the right place.

For the rest of the day, Mark and I sat in Loy and Mary's living room listening while Loy unfolded his story. he had so much to tell us that we had to slow him down and carefully focus our questions as he tended to ramble he was extremely hard of hearing also it was sometimes difficult to understand what he was saying but well worth the extra effort we wanted to know more about this man and woman that loy had referred to as wallace and ruth ann what did they look like He described Wallace as a dark-skinned man about the same coloring as himself, and Loy was a medium dark-skinned Chickasaw Indian, but looked somewhat Hispanic. Wallace spoke both Spanish and English, and Loy assumed that he was Cuban or Mexican. He pointed towards me and said that Wallace was about my size, at that time six foot, about 200 pounds. He didn't know if Wallace was his first or last name.

He was just called Wallace. How old would you say he was? Mark inquired. He was older than I was. I was about 35 or 36. How much older? He looked about 40 or 45, I would guess. What about Ruth Ann, the girl? Ruth Ann was about 20 years old.

Well, I estimated. He was definitely Hispanic. Very pretty, too. The first time he saw her was a few days before the assassination when she drove into the factory's yard and notified Loy that Wallace had sent her to pick him up. She was a very nervous young woman, cold and preoccupied with her mission. With her was another Hispanic young man who Loy had never seen before. He couldn't remember his name, but he too spoke Spanish.

They were edgy and unsure about Lerner. Loy and rarely spoke to him during their days spent together. Ruth End appeared to be second in command to Wallace. Loy's first meeting with a man at Sam Rayburn's funeral was also discussed in detail. Had the meeting been just a random event? Loy seemed to think so. The man simply moved over to where the Indian was standing, waiting for the president's arrival and attempted to start a conversation in Spanish,

assuming from Loy's appearance that he was Mexican. He appeared to be alone. Would he be able to recognize the man if he ever saw him again, we asked? Oh, God, yes, was Loy's animated reply. I'll never forget that man. Did he say anything about Kennedy in your conversation with him? Did he express any hatred towards the president? No.

He never said anything about that. He just said Kennedy didn't have much security, and he could probably just walk up to him real close. He talked about how close he thought he could get to the president. Yeah, and I said he could get shot real easy by someone in the crowd. You told me in the hospital that you bragged him about being able to shoot, Mark added. I told him I hunted and fished, Loy said. All right, I want to pause here for just a second because Loy Factor as he is given his story.

about the day that he met Malcolm Wallace. He only knew and referred to him as Wallace at this time, but he felt like the encounter was random. It was just so happenstance. I don't believe this is probably true for whatever reason. You know, if the CIA is involved in this and they have a hit squad out there that is setting up an assassination of a president of the United States, the likelihood of some random dude on the street that,

is attending this funeral where JFK is also situated. And then this guy's then represent how close he could get to Kennedy. Someone from the crowd could just basically shoot him if they wanted to. I don't think this was necessarily a random encounter. Right. It's almost like he was questioning saying, somebody could just shoot him, you know, in this crowd to see what his response would be. And then he could go with the response.

Yeah. Yeah, that or, yeah, for sure. And then also just the fact that, hey, you know, he has a wife, he has a family type deal. You know, he also kind of looks like us, even though he came up and started speaking Spanish, but he's not Spanish. He's Indian, Indian American. But it was interesting as the conversation went on, you know, sound like, I guess it sounded like Malcolm Wallace was trying to pull information, like who he was, what he was about, was he involved in this and this and this. And so we often think maybe sometimes encounters are random, especially when it comes to an assassination of a president, but maybe it wasn't necessarily so random. And at the very least, they potentially had a plan.

Let's listen some more. But did you discuss your knowledge of guns with him, Mark asked. Yeah, I think that's why he told me he could use me. What kind of a person did you think he was? Well, at first, Juanita and me, we both thought he was. was a good man because he gave us $20 to buy something for the kids. I thought he was rich, and I told Juanita that he might have a job for me. Loy Factor's manner of expressing himself was childlike at times, very simple, like the man himself. Sometimes he was confusing in his

explanation of things. It was the same simple-minded way of his that caused the jury to eventually convict him of manslaughter at the ward of his stepdaughter. his mental abilities were never fully understood back in the nineteen sixties when terms such as learning disabilities attention deficit disorder and similar handicaps were not understood part of a johnson county capital democrat newspaper article of that era helped in our understanding of loy quote not much is known about loy factor he has a metal plate in his head as a result of a shrapnel wound according to a brother factor was a veteran of world war two and in june nineteen forty eight the veterans administration said he was incompetent and entitled to receive compensation in the amount of sixty dollars per month but a guardian must be appointed before the monies would be released his mother annie holden factor then filed a petition for appointment of a guardian to manage his business affairs since nineteen fifty eddy blanton of milburn has acted as Factor's legal guardian. Factors' checks from the VA were increased to $76.75.

He is a skilled woodsman, hunter, and fisherman. Likes living in the woods and sometimes took his entire family out of the house to live for long periods in the woods. The family's house is a run-down affair, but a new house was being constructed for Factor under the Indian Housing Construction Program in progress at Philmore. Factor had his left leg removed below the knee during surgery at Johnson Memorial Hospital in June 1964. He was bitten by a copperhead snake in 1957 while working on a ranch near Milburn and the wound never healed.

He had many admissions into the Veterans Hospital in Oklahoma City and the Indian Hospital in Tallahana for skin grafts which did not take. Factor is a diabetic and wounds of the extremities are difficult to heal of those with the disease. Following surgery in Tishomingo, Factor was admitted to the Veterans Hospital in Oklahoma City again where he was fitted with an artificial leg and received physical therapy until he learned to walk again. This is from the Capital Democrat of October 10, 1968. Sitting in his living room, listening to him, speak of these old memories that he had tried to bury, we realized that his guilt must have been so heavy that he had convinced himself that he was not really a party to the assassination

of President Kennedy. He would continue to distance himself from the shooting, trying to convince us that he was merely an observer, a standby, not really connected to the crime itself. There was a barrier that we were never able to quite break through. We were never able to extrad. We were never able to extract a statement from Loy clearly explaining his specific role in the assassination. He would become very vague and withdrawn when the subject was broached. Common sense in all of the surrounding circumstances seemed to point to the Indian as one of the gunmen on that day. But Loy was never able to verbalize that. He was like a child who refused to admit to a wrongdoing, even when the evidence was obvious.

It was Juanita's idea to go to Rayburn's funeral, Loy said. The service was to be held on Saturday, November 18, 1961. She asked Loy how far it was from Wolf City to Bonham, as they had often been to Wolf City to buy seed. Together they decided to take the kids and go see President Kennedy. Now, looking back, Loy figured that Wallace had been stalking the president on that very day. working at a plan that would come to fruition almost two years later. Mark and I had the distinct impression that Wallace, whoever he was,

recognized the Indian as an especially suitable pawn in this dark plan. For here was a man who appeared to be not only naive and simple-minded, but a crack shot. Easily manipulated with money, the dirt poor Indian could have just as easily been the expendable member that Oswald proved to be. In his chance meeting with Factor, Wallace must have instantly seized upon the idea that Loy was the type of person he would need someday. According to Loy, there was no further contact by Wallace until approximately a year later when he drove to Factor's Fillmore home.

Loy walked out to meet the man and was invited into the man's car to talk business, while not remembered the details of their conversation, the substance was that his future employer wanted to see for himself the shooting abilities of which the Indian had bragged. After getting his 30-30 rifle, Loy and his visitor went to a nearby clearing to shoot at Cannes. Wallace was greatly impressed by Factor's marksmanship. And repeating the story he had told earlier, the deal was struck between the two men. Mark then asked Loy, did you know that they were going to kill the president?

I figured they was going to shoot someone, but they never told me who it was. You never knew that Kennedy was their target. Not until the very end. Some might find it hard to believe that Loy would involve himself with Wallace and his group and not know who it was that was going to be killed. But this was the story that Loy Factor stuck to, right up to his death in May of 1994. Ruth Ann, Loy assured us, was one of the key people in the group. She knew everything about what was to happen.

She helped plan everything, I think, Loy said. She picked you up at your place, I asked. Her and this other fellow, I can't remember what his name was. What kind of a car were they driving? Do you remember? Boy thought hard, looking upward and shaking his head slightly. I couldn't say for sure what kind it was. Other than it was a station wagon and it was rusty, kind of rusty color, maybe brown. Are you sure it was a station wagon?

Oh, it was a station wagon. I don't remember if it was a Ford or a Chevy or... how about a rambler no it wasn't a rambler but ruth ann drove right she did all the driving when anybody went anywhere it was always her that drove but when ruth ann and this other man drove up to your place to pick you up what did they say i asked she just introduced herself and said that wallace had given them orders to come and get me she said that they didn't have much time told me to pack some stuff and get going going. Did she tell you to bring a gun? No. What did Juanita say? Oh, God, she cried and told me not to go with them. She didn't want me to go because she knew that man was up to no good. Why did you go? I wanted the money, he said, in a lowered tone. Were you afraid? Hell yes, I thought they might kill me. His expression about his fear of being killed reminded me of something I had read in one of the newspaper articles.

We read that someone did try to kill you while you were in Tishomingo jail, I said. I flipped through a folder full of research information and handed him a copy of the Johnson County Capital Democrat article dated October 16th, 1969. Quote, shooting of factor in jail. proves a puzzler. News note. Lawrence Factor while being held in the Johnson County Jail was shot in the arm about 4 a.m. last Friday by an unknown gunman. Who shot Lawrence Factor in the arm before dawn last Friday morning and brought a temporary delay in his trial for murder? Was it an enemy of Factor? A friend of Factor? Or Factor himself? Now that the trial is over, perhaps some of the mysteries will be explained how Factor came to receive a superficial wound in the upper left arm

from a spent 32-caliber bullet while he was supposed to be in a cell in the unattended county jail. Factor told Sheriff Herman Ford and Wayne Worthen, an investigator for the district attorney's office at about 4.30 a.m. Friday, he was attracted to the window of his cell by an unknown young man's voice calling, Mr. Factor! A light was on in Factor's cell, and he could not see who was out in the dark. If the shot came from outside the cell, it came from outside the walk-around fence, about 15 feet from Factor's window. There were no tracks between the fence in the jail building. The bullet passed through without nicking a diamond-shaped steel mesh only three-quarters of an inch wide at its widest point, which covers the cell window. The bullet then passed through a cardboard

container of hair grease, supposedly sitting on a steel ledge connecting bars over the window. Before coming to a stop in Factor's arm without even entering the muscle, the bullet was removed while at the hospital here. It was shot from a poorly, rifled gun. Lloyd laughed out loud as he read the clipping. If it wasn't for that Royal Crown hairdressing, I might have been a dead man. Did you have any idea who it was that shot you?

He explained that it might have been Debbie and her boyfriend Sam Davis or maybe just someone who wanted to avenge one eat his murder. It was also possible that some member of the conspiracy was sent to kill him. but I don't think it was them because they wouldn't have missed, Indian noted. The specter of Lee Oswald being shot down while handcuffed in the Dallas jail came to our minds as we listened to Loy. And I got to pause here for a second because obviously Loy is sitting here unconvinced that someone would try to kill him in a jail just days before his murder trial to where they would likely then move him to a, prison, which may have been harder for them to access him in that circumstance. And you got to remember back in this time, you know, jails and prisons were nowhere near as

secure as they are today. But nonetheless, pretty much everybody is dead in the situation around the JFK assassination and including good old Ruby or Ruth. Sorry, Ruth Ann. I get these name's wrong, but Ruth Ann, Ruth Ann, although no one knows who the hell she actually was, almost guarantee you she's probably not alive today. We don't know who she was, but I promise you she's probably not alive. Yeah, well, we

do know that at the time she was 20 years old and she was of Latin descent. Yeah. But here's the other thing. You guys might be listening this right now, and I know this is a little bit longer of an episode, but, you know, with all of the JFK Falls release, you have to understand that

I truly 100% believe this is what happened with JFK. And to that being told, you know, you might say, well, this is all speculation, this conspiracy. There's not really any clear cut evidence of the story that Loy Factor is actually telling here. But there is, and we're going to get to that. And in particular, Malcolm Wallace. Now, Malcolm Wallace, which is who Loy Factor described in the very beginning of this entire storyline, No one even knew who Malcolm Wallace was until these investigative journalists kind of went down this rabbit hole. And they started connecting names and especially the guy that was over charge of the Dallas JFK, I guess you can almost call it the assassination library or Research Depot, which has they devote their entire lives and have to the JFK assassination.

and the investigation behind, like, what actually happened that day? So they weren't the Warren Commission. They weren't the government aspect of it. These were investigative journalists in Dallas that literally developed and instituted everything they possibly could to the investigation of the JFK assassination. And so because of all these factors and the investigative resources of, you know, the journalist that we're listening to right now, Glenn Sample and all the others. There are many that were involved. They first get this story of Loifactor, which was told in prison.

Then Loyfactor talks about Wallace. This guy he only knew of Wallace that was Spanish descent. Then you hear all these firsthand accounts of people that saw other shooters of Spanish descent or Latin descent. Darker skin. Darker skin, various, this particular brown sports coat. there was one in a white t-shirt, all this, including even people in the jail in Dallas that saw this as well at the time of the JFK assassination. So you start hearing all this.

These are all very detailed descriptions and also backed up stories of various witnesses. And then you have the Loy Factor story. And then as he starts talking about the guy that approached him and then even coming out to his house and then taking him to another location, offer him this money, all of this stuff. And all he knew was a basic, you know, basically a description and knew that they called him Wallace. But as you start finding out who Wallace actually is, holy shit, it blows the lid off this thing. And there's just no question that this is not what happened. So let's listen to a little bit more of this interview with Loy Factor. Whoever it was that tried to kill Loy that Friday morning will probably never be identified.

But the similarities can hardly be ignored. It is a rarity in American society for a man to be gunned down while in police custody. But if that man has sensitive information capable of injuring important people, then a way will be found to silence them, whether in jail or not. Getting back to our point of departure, Mark asked, So you were afraid of them killing you if you didn't go along with their plan, right? That's right, Loy assured us. So you packed a bag.

Yeah, a duffel bag. Where did you go then? We took Highway 48 over and then down to Dallas. We stopped in McKinney to eat. Did they talk to you? Tell you about the plan or anything? No, they mostly talked to each other in Mexican. They didn't trust me much.

So you still didn't know the whole plan, not until you reached Dallas. No. We drove to this little house I told you about. That's where all of them went over the plans. On a Dallas city map, Loy tried to show us the area where he thought the house used by the group was located. He remembered it being only several blocks away

and northwest of the Texas School Book Depository Building. Now that area is covered by commercial buildings, but there once was a residential area there according to Dallasites we talked to. Our hope of taking Loy to Dallas and reconstructing many of his old memories was never realized due to his weakened health condition. Do you remember if it was raining around the time he went to Dallas

or if the roads were muddy, I asked? Loy thought it might have been raining and that the rural roads in his area were muddy at the time. Loy's home was located in an area of Oklahoma located near the Texas, Oklahoma border. The Red River forms a natural border between the two states, and the soil in this Red River Valley is known for its unique red color. When it rains, automobiles are often covered with this bright reddish mud.

The reason I asked Factor about this was prompted by a reference I had read in the Warren Commission report regarding a couple of suspicious automobiles covered with red mud in the area of, the assassination. Mr. Lee Bowers, a railroad employee, located in a 14-foot railroad tower, spotted three cars in the railroad yard area shortly before the assassination. Two of them were covered up to the windows with red mud. Another car, with no mud on it, was driven by a man who apparently spoke into a microphone as he drove around the parking area immediately behind the grassy knoll.

One of the muddy cars was remembered by Bowers as being a 1959 blue and white Oldsmobile station wagon. When you arrived at the house, who was there? Wallace was waiting for us. And this was two days before the assassination. That would be November 20th, Wednesday. I think it was two days. Did you stay at the house overnight? Yeah, I slept there a convent.

couple nights. Wallace stayed there, Ruth Ann and the other fellow stayed there too. When did Ruby come to the house? He would come by every once in a while, two or three times. Was Oswald with him? A couple of times. And they're talking about Jack Ruby here, just so you know. And a few times Ruby was with Oswald. So just understand they were all in this house planning this shit. And these are all the connections of everybody that was involved in the JFK assassination. And this guy is just not talking out of his ass. Everything in his story has been confirmed in this book. And we're not going to play the entire book to you guys tonight.

But I just want to let you guys know that if you read the book in this entirety, especially the story of Loyfactor, 100% confirmed. And then as we get in a moment to Malcolm Wallace and his story and what really pins him in fact to this. assassination to where 100% there was not one shooter, which is Lee Harvey Oswald, but even forensics link him to the sixth floor of the Texas school book depository. They were together, Mark asked. Yeah. They all discussed the plans together? That's right.

There was a big table at that house. And Ruth Ann, she drew out these diagrams and maps of where the cars were coming from and which way they was going to go. Oswald was in on that meeting? Yeah, a couple of times. Always with Ruby, though. Do you remember the drawings and the maps? I didn't get to see much of what they were laying out on the table in there.

It was laying out on this table, and they would gather around the plans on the table. Lloyd demonstrated with his arm gesturing. You say they all spoke Spanish? Did Oswald? Yeah, some of the time. Did Ruby speak Spanish? I don't think so.

What part did Ruby play? I don't know, but one day he came in and he was real mad and he tells Ruth Ann, the route's been changed, the route's been changed. He was worried that the route was changed? What day was this? I think it was the day before. So what happened? Ruth Ann says, I'll be back in a while.

I'm going to go check it out. So where did she go? I'm not sure, but she came back in a little while, maybe an hour, and tells everyone that the route's the same. No change. What did Ruby say? He told Ruth Ann, you better make sure everything goes right, otherwise we're all dead.

So what factor witnessed in this pre-assassination time period was Ruby becoming rattled by some rumor or report that the whole motorcade would skirt by the depository. out of range of Malcolm Wallace and the sixth floor team. Was there a reason for Ruby to become agitated? Yes, for although one of the two Dallas Daily newspapers announced the correct route to its readers, the Dallas Times Herald,

its competitor, the Dallas Morning News, described the route incorrectly in two of its editions. On Friday morning of the assassination, the latter published a diagram that eliminated the zigzag turn onto Elm Street altogether. It is entirely possible that one of these wrong news reports is what so startled Ruby into doubting his own inside information. Did you ever talk to Ruby? No. How did the others view him?

They all respected him, I think. But he wasn't actually part of the assassination? No, I don't think so. Ruth Ann, she did most of the planning, I think. She knew everything. Was Jack Ruby with the group at the time of the shooting? Not with us. I don't know where he was. But he obviously had some knowledge of the motorcade route.

He and Ruth Ann both, because she left the house to check on the route and then told Ruby it was okay, no change. Do you think Ruth Ann had more authority than Oswald or Ruby? I think so. It was her mainly, but Wallace was the one in charge. Now, on the day of the assassination, how did you get to the depository building? Ruth Ann drove, and I went with her.

Just you and her? Wallace and Lee were already up there. They were both already in the building? Yeah. Then what did you do? She parked the car, right? Yeah, behind the building. Facing which way?

East, I think. Then what did you do? I followed Ruth Ann into the building. How did you enter the building? There was a back door. So you went in through the back door. Did you see anybody with you when you went in? Didn't see nobody.

After you got into the building, where did you go next? We went up some stairs. Mark pulled out a clean piece of notebook paper and after drawing a large square representing the building, he asked Loy to mark where the car was parked, where the back door was, and where the stairwell was located. The Indian obliged.

He drew a small rectangle at the rear of the building, an X indicating a door near the center of the north side of the building, and then pointed to the upper left corner of the square, indicating it as the location of the building. stairwell. So the stairs were in the northwest corner of the building? Yes. And you followed the girl up the stairs. Yeah. How far up the stairs did you go? We went to where Wallace and Lee was. Were they on the sixth floor? I think it was. What time was it when you got up there? It was just a few minutes before the shooting. Ruth Ann was in a hurry. She was afraid she was going to be late.

Did she have a gun? No. Did you carry a gun up there? No, but when we got up there, Oswald was checking out one of the rifles. He was looking through the scope, you know, and then he handed it to Wallace, said, it's okay. It's ready to go. How many rifles did you see in the building? There was two. One was a Carcano, the 6.5 with the scope? That was one of them. The other one didn't. It didn't have a scope. Do you remember what kind it was? I think it was a 30-odd-6. What kind of action? Bolt action. But no scope? That's right. Wallace used which one? The one with no scope. You said Oswald was looking through the scope and then handed the rifle to Wallace, right?

Yeah. Then he leaned to it. It's kind of like a table saw. He had it all ready to go. What was Ruth Ann doing? She was talking on a walkie-talkie. Was she looking out the window? Yeah.

Which window? There were lots of them. Who is she talking to? I don't know. Were there other shooters somewhere outside? She was talking to someone on that walkie-talkie. I don't know who it was, probably that other fella, referring to the unnamed Hispanic companion of Ruth Ann.

Did you hear any of what she said or what was said to her? I didn't hear. I was too scared. You say Oswald had a gun. Wallace had a gun. Ruth Ann didn't have a gun. but communicated with someone on a radio. That's right. What did you have?

Did you have a gun? I didn't have nothing. Were you supposed to stand guard? Watch for someone coming up the stairs? What was it that you were told to do? They wanted me to shoot, but I told him I wouldn't do it. Loy was boxed into a proverbial corner and was now forced to deal with a very pivotal detail

that he had been trying to avoid. What was he doing up on the sixth floor of the Dallas School Book Depository Building? In association with two assassins and a radio operator, seconds before the President of the United States was to pass within a few yards of them. To believe Loy, we would have to accept that he was just standing there with no gun and no job to do. He was simply there. Wallace told me if they missed, I would be the backup.

Loy was beginning to look tired. Mark suggested that we take a break for lunch and resume in another hour. All right, so there we go. So there is the second part of the Loy Factor interview, which let me explain one very also key detail to this. And if you guys go read the book because it's not going to be depicted in what we're going to play tonight. But there's one very important part in this interview that Loy Factor says. as they were messing with the guns, Lee Harvey Oswald and Macom Wallace.

At one point, I think it was Lee, Harvey Oswald, that set the gun on a table saw. What does that even mean, right? As these investigative journalists are interviewing Loy Factor, maybe means nothing as you heard that, but it actually really makes a huge difference in the credibility of Loy Factor's story. And the reason for that is because

the investigative journalist, as you read the book, actually went on to interview some of the maintenance workers that worked in this building during the time of the JFK assassination. And you know what they figured out is that on the sixth floor, the sixth floor was non-inhabited during this time. And the reason why the sixth floor was not inhabited in the Texas school book Depository was because they were replacing all of the flooring on the sixth floor. And so as they interviewed this maintenance worker years later, he said that, yes, they replaced all the flooring on the sixth floor during the time of the JFK assassination. There was no one on the sixth floor. So likely no one would have ever encountered anyone on the six floor, as long as you could have went up the stairwell, went to the six floor, got there. But for sure, a table saw would have been in this room on the sixth floor. and this was only ever known until Loy Factor actually mentioned that in his interview

that he had set the gun up next to a table saw. And it was like, that's not a big deal. It's not a big detail until you actually research and find out that the maintenance workers, they were redoing the floors. And there were table saws in multiple rooms throughout the sixth floor because the maintenance workers were always up and down, throwing out trash, doing things from the floor guys. Right. And so this was a massive thing.

This was one of the first things that not only in the way that Loyfax described the actual Texas school book depository before it was redone to take out the loading dock, right? So it was only taken out, I think, a year or a year and a half later after the JFK assassination. but he accurately described how he entered the building what the building looked like how the floors looked how the stairs went what happened actually and how the floor how the actual room appeared when he was there also his alignment on who was there what they were wearing the Spanish which is the Latin guy skin which was Malcolm Wallace he also had leave Harvey Oswald there are multiple different witnesses that also described exactly the same type of people. Obviously, the white shirt, from what we understand, as you read the book, was Lee Harvey Oswald. The sports jacket, brown coat, brown skin was Malcolm Wallace, the two shooters. And then what you're probably also not going to hear in this is that eventually

Loy Factor does admit that he had a gun. He never actually admits that he took a shot. Because he's supposed to be the fall guy. Like if they miss, then he's supposed to shoot. Yeah. And we already know that Oswald is not a great shot, but he acts like he knows his stuff by saying, okay, this gun is great. It's looking good.

Here you go. Here is the gun with the scope. I'm taking the gun without the scope because I am less accurate. Yeah. Is what it's telling me. Maybe. I mean, you're right. I mean, and yes, he did say that Lee Harvey gave the scope to Malcolm, vice versa.

Who knows what that really means? Because you would think the person that had the scope would be the more accurate. shot. Well, I don't know. I mean, you could say the opposite, too, at that, right? I mean, it just depends. But either way, likely they both shot. They probably both hit because the one bullet, magic bullet theory on the JFK assassination is just almost unbelievable. And so I want to go back just for a second about Jack Ruby. Jack Ruby was involved. He was in this house. He was there part of the planning, according to Loy Factor. And then you think also about the fact that Jack Ruby was the one that killed.

Yes, and that's what's so crazy because, you know, everything we've always heard about that Ruby hated Oswald because he did that and he just shot him. No one knew he was a part of this thing. Well, let me tell you about who Jack Ruby really was. Jack Ruby owned and operated several nightclubs and strip clubs in Dallas, including the Carousel Club and the Vegas Club. His clubs were known for attracting police officers, reporters, underworld figures, and Ruby was well connected with the Dallas nightlife scene and was known.

for socializing with law enforcement, often providing them with free drinks and entertainment. You also think about his ties to organized crime figures and was associated with individuals linked to the Chicago outfit, a major crime syndicate. Some key points regarding the mob connections are the ties to the Chicago mob. Ruby was originally from Chicago and reportedly connected to mobsters from a young age. He was linked to figures such as Sam Gianzana, Carlos Marcello,

two major mafia bosses, suspected of involvement in, JFK's assassination. And then you think about the possible gun running and smuggling operations. Many researchers, including investigative journalist Seth Cantor, have suggested that Ruby may have been involved in illegal activities such as gun running to Cuba in 1950s. Then you have witness accounts. Multiple witnesses claimed Ruby had associates with mob figures and some suggested he was involved in gambling rackets and illegal activities in Dallas. And then the Warren Commission findings, the official Warren Commission dismissed the idea that Ruby was a part of a large. larger conspiracy betraying him as a hot-tempered nightclub owner who acted alone.

However, many researchers believe the conclusion ignored deeper evidence of his underworld ties. And what I'm telling you right now is that as this Loy Factor story came out with the men on the sixth floor, Jack Ruby was 100% involved in the entire planning of this. And even with Ruth Ann, Ruth Ann, which was a young girl. Now, Loy Factor. You know what? I think Ruth Ann's last name is. What? Wallace.

Could be. I think she's the daughter. Or, yeah, but I don't know. I mean, either way, you got, you have to think about this. Well, you just think about she's 20 years old and the Wallace dude is. No, but I doubt that would happen. And I'll tell you why that would have probably not happen. Was it because, first of all, we don't know that Loy Factor's aging was correct.

You know, was she really 20 or not. Yeah. Well, in her 20s. Sounds like a daughter to me. It could have been. I'm just telling. you, I am sticking to my story and I think that her last name

is Wallace. Could been, but no one still knows who Ruth Ann is. I mean, you know, this is crazy. This is a big thing that no one understands or realizes, but if you look into the actual deeper investigative journalists that have really investigated that JFK files, such as

the writers of the book of the men on the cis war, I'm still just shocked that Jack Ruby was involved in this when he was the one that killed Oswald. Well, of course he was. I mean, that was the whole entire plan. They knew that they were going to set him up. Likely, he was

at the house oftentimes or at least a couple of times with Lee Harvey Oswald. He knew what his plan was from the very beginning. And it was because of the corruption that he was involved in from the very beginning. Yeah, obviously, if he's with mobs and stuff. But then when we look at Oswald's

background, he doesn't seem like he's that type of guy that was involved with mobs and those kind of things. Well, yeah, I mean, you don't think so but you know Lee Harvey was a military guy um you don't ever know truly kind of what their mindset is what they think they're they're about to be a part of he could have been been almost like a thomas crook or something well it could have for sure i mean it could have been a mind control program it could have been various things but what we do know is that but listen but him as a patriot

as a guy that was like you know was going to fight for his country and and this is who lee harvey oswald always was known to be when the government in some shape form or capacity or or compassion but yeah they said you know what we need you as part of the CIA and we need you to do these things for us because you're an important person yeah i think that's how they rang him in yeah for sure no there's no question now the next clip i want to get to is the discovery of malcolm wallace because this is a very important part of this and i know this is episode's going a little long but we got to get to the jfk and what we really truly believe is the actual story of the JFK assassination.

So here is the discovery of Malcolm Wallace. We were anxious to hear from Larry Howard about the information he had on Wallace. A common name, yes, but we knew that R. Wallace must have a dark complexion, weigh 200 pounds, stand six feet tall, be capable of speaking Spanish, and be a marksman with a rifle. I was back home in California when Larry called with the information. He said that he had heard about a man named Mack Wallace from Madeline Brown, a Dallas resident who claims to have been the mistress of Lyndon Johnson. She, in fact, had written a book titled Texas in the morning,

a story about her life as LBJ's Second Love. Larry suggested that we contact her personally. He told her of our interview. with Factor and his naming of Wallace as a mastermind of the Kennedy assassination. Larry gave us her phone number and told us that she would be expecting our call. Madeline Duncan Brown has proved to be as lovely a lady as she is knowledgeable about the life and times of Lyndon Johnson. Her claim as being the mistress of LBJ is not a new one. For 20 years, the two carried on a relationship that eventually

resulted in a son, Stephen, who died in 1990 of lymphatic cancer, the same type of cancer they claimed the life of Lyndon's mother. Their relationship, built upon dozens of covert sexual liaisons over the two decades, gave Madeline a unique understanding of the man. But it is her knowledge of Linda Johnson's political career, his business and political dealings, and his enormous thirst for power that is most compelling. Madeline's story has been reported upon by People, Star, Phil Donahue, PM Magazine, A Current Affair, Sally Jesse Raphael, Heraldo Rivera, Playboy, and Penthouse Forum. She's been interviewed by many writers and investigators of the JFK assassination, including Richard Russell, author of The Man Who Knew Too Much, Jim Mars, the author of Crossfire, Shelley Ross, Fall from Grace, John Sullivan,

President's Passion, John Davis, Mafia Kingfish, Robert Groden, High Treason, Harry Livingston, High Treason, too, as well as Craig Zurball, the author of the Texas Connection. She is truly a starhouse of Texas history, as seen from the inside out. After introducing myself and thanking her for agreeing to speak with me, I got right to the point. Madeline, Larry Howard has probably told you about a witness that has come forward with information about the Kennedy assassination. He told me that you all wanted to talk to me, and I told him I'd be happy to tell you what I know if it would be helpful. Well, as you know, we've been talking to a Chickasaw Indian named Loy Factor who claims to have been involved with the Kennedy assassination. Yes, Larry's told me about him.

You say he's an Indian. Huh? Yeah, a full-blooded Chickasaw Indian. Interesting. Well, Loy kept referring to a certain Wallace during our interview. He claims that this Wallace was the planner as well as one of the assassins in Dallas. Malcolm E. Wallace. I knew him personally. You knew him? I replied. Absolutely. I'm so glad to hear that somebody else has connected him to the assassination. I am really. glad to hear that. Boom. I mean, and here you go. So, Loy Factor. No, listen, I just got goosebumps all over my skin when I heard that.

So you have Madeline Brown here, which was a mistress of Lyndon Mae Johnson. She actually had a kid with Lyndon v. For 20 years. Yeah, she had a kid with him. And the proof is in the pudding because her son died of the same type of cancer that Lyndon's mom died of. Yeah, so genetics. Yes. And so you had this kid died.

mistress of Lyndon B. Johnson. And obviously, if you're a mistress, you are the side chick, right? So you're likely... Monica Lewinsky. Well, yeah, but you're likely going to be treated like shit by him in most cases. That also gives you a vindictive viewpoint in some degree to where it's like you always recognize these things as you went through the secrecy of your relationship with a, you know,

once speaker of the... I think he was a Speaker of House, Lennymy Johnson at some point, then obviously gained rise as vice president, then gained rise as the president after the JFK assassination. But you always obviously going through these times with Lyndon B. Johnson as the mistress, you're often seeing things that you're like, man, this dude is a piece of shit. But, you know, he's also very high power. I'm kind of on the side.

But you're also still observing these things. But you also are privy to information. Oh, of course. That maybe even the wife isn't. Yeah. Well, it's kind of like Marilyn Monroe and JFK Jr. Exactly. She knew way too much.

And that's a whole other topic to get into. But I feel like she was assassinated because she knew too much. Yeah. And we're going to get to Bobby Kennedy in just a bit. But yes, Madeline Brown, as soon as they mentioned Wallace, she knew exactly what he was. Yeah. She's like, I know him personally. Yeah.

I was like, oh, my gosh. Let's listen to some more. With this Wallace character, Lloyd described a young Hispanic woman who would have been about 19 or 20 years old at the time of the assassination. Her name was Ruth Ann. Does that mean anything to you? Ruth Ann. That name doesn't register. Maybe it might later on to 9, but I don't recall a Ruth Ann.

But you knew this Malcolm Wallace, right? Yes, you see, back in the 50s, Lyndon's son. sister was involved in a love triangle with Wallace and a golf pro down in Austin by the name of John Kinzer. Wallace shot Kinzer in cold blood. He never spent one day in jail. He posted a bond. He never took the stand to defend himself when it went to trial. And a fellow by the name of John Koffer, one of Lyndon's attorneys, filed a one page brief and the judge gave him a five-year suspended sentence for a capital murder in 1952 in Texas. So he must have had quite a bit of influence.

Yes, he did. So I want to pause here. Lyndon sent his attorney for Malcolm Wallace's murder conviction, which was against Kinzer, which was a love triangle of Lyndon B. Johnson's sister. And so he sent his attorney down. And this was his sister that Malcolm Wallace killed Kinzer, which was the husband or boyfriend, whatever it was. And so all they had to do was just file a one page brief to the judge.

Off he goes. You're off scot-free. No jail time. No jail time. And also, also likely we're not going to get into all of the murders that Malcolm Wallace and this little hit squad was involved in. Sorry, involved in under Lyndon B. Johnson. There was about 17, by the way.

Oh, my gosh. And obviously, he's related to him by the sister. Yeah, I mean, well, not really related to him. Well, I mean, not blood related, but that's how he knows him is through the sister. Well, I actually know. I actually think Wallace knew him beforehand. Oh, and then that's how he got involved with the sister. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, so obviously, Lyndon B. Johnson had this connection to Wallace, which is why he sent his attorney once Wallace killed Kinzer, which was the boyfriend of his sister. If you think about it, it's like if Wallace kills the boy, boyfriend or husband of your sister, you would want to go after the killer. But instead, he set the attorney to support Wallace. So that's very interesting. He worked for Lyndon, but the kind of work he did was, well, he was a bad man. You mean he killed people? Yes, he did. Clint Peoples, a Texas lawman, personally told me that it was Wallace who murdered Henry Marshall. Do you all know who he was? No, never heard of him. Well, Marshall worked for the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

He was involved with the investigation of the land deals that Billy Saul Estes was making. Linden was a part of it. Well, I've heard of Billy Saul, I said. Well, Malcolm Wallace murdered Marshall, made it look like suicide. A cold-blooded killer, I noted. That's right. I've said all along that the other shooter in Daly Plaza that day when Kennedy was killed was none other than Malcolm E. Wallace, I told Larry that the first day that I talked to him.

Is Wallace still alive? I asked. No, he was killed in a one-car accident in Pittsburgh, Texas. I think it was early 70s. He supposedly ran his car into a bridge abutment. Boy, is he is said that Wallace spoke Spanish. To your knowledge, could Malcolm Wallace speak Spanish? Yes, he could. What did he look like? Well, he had dark hair, and I would say an olive-colored complexion. I immediately called Mark and told him about my conversation with Madeline and her description of the Wallace that she knew. We've got to go to Dallas as soon as we can and find out about this Malcolm Wallace was his instant reaction, and he was right. We had possibly identified the mystery man that Loy met in Bonham. Now we had to verify it if we possibly could. Several conversations

with Madeline also revealed that Malcolm Wallace was a gun enthusiast whom she had seen at the Dallas Gun Club on more than one occasion in the early 60s. He was a native Texan, and Madeline thought that his family was politically well-connected. She also told us of her friendship with Billy Saul Estes, the former Texas Wheeler Dealer Conman. Estes, too, was a former associate of Malcolm Wallace and knew of his relationship with LBJ. We arranged a trip to Dallas to research Wallace,

but also to meet Madeline and to hear more about her years with Lyndon Johnson. But before we left for Dallas, Mark received another lead from Larry Howard. We got a letter weeks ago from a man by the name of Knoblet who lives in Washington State, Larry stated. He's got an interesting story about a former schoolmate from Dallas. He thinks his friend from high school is the same man shown in the Oswald photograph that the CIA took at the embassy in Mexico City. You mean the one that the CIA said was Oswald but turned out to be some strong. Ranger, Mark asked.

Yeah, that's the one. It's been published in several books on the assassination. Anyway, Noblett sees this photograph in Hugh McDonald's book appointment in Dallas and says, Hey, I went to school with that guy. Interesting. What's really interesting is who Noblett's schoolmate's best friend was, Larry added. Who? Malcolm Wallace.

Within an hour, Mark succeeded in contact. contacting Mr. Jean Knoblet on the telephone. What Larry had reported to Mark had not been an exaggeration. All right, so there you go. Madeline Brown, man, she's bringing receipts. You know, she was the mistress of Lyndon B. Johnson. She was heavily involved in all of his dealings. And the one thing I have taken from my research on LBJ was that he was a giant piece of shit.

I mean, if you want to talk about corrupt, this guy was corrupt. And we go back to why JFK ever even put him in position to be a vice president. Well, I think there was a lot of influence, number one. But number two, they wanted the Southern Democrats vote. And that's why he brought in LBJ. And Bobby Kennedy, it seemed like in Kennedy's family, did not really love this pick. But it was almost like it was positioned in place at the perfect time. time in the perfect era.

Yeah, and don't forget, he was basically being investigated in this land deal that this guy is talking about. Oh, absolutely, for sure. The land deal was huge. So talking about Malcolm Wallace, Wallace graduated from the University of Texas and was a trajectory towards a successful career. Obviously, his path took a, took a dark turn with criminal acts. His association in Lyndon B. Johnson, his loyalty to LBJ and is a recurring theme in the

narrative. the allegiance has suggested to have influenced his participation in listed activities, including murder and multiple murders, John Douglas Kinzer, which we just talked about. Also, Henry Marshall, which was a U.S. Department of Agricultural Official, was investigating fraudulent activities linked to LBJ, Associate Bill Solst. His death initially ruled a suicide despite five gunshot wounds, was later suggested to be a murder orchestrated by Wallace on LBJ's orders. literally had five gunshot wounds. And they tried to call it a suicide. Okay, then. But it's also likely the same reason that Wallace died in a one car accident, you know, not even that long.

Exactly. Like, eventually, no matter how big you are in the scandal and the scheme, you're also going to die. You will be murdered as well because they do not want to leave any person on the planet that can talk. And for whatever reason, Loy Factor somehow just got through. Well, they did try to assassinate him in jail. They did. And they missed. They got his arm.

They did. But then, you know, as you start thinking about it, you know, he was once, I guess, convicted of murder of his wife. He got out of prison. He was not really the brightest person on the planet, which is likely off, you know, probably why they picked him to even be a part of this. So after they kind of fell that assassination attempt on Loy Factor, they were probably just like, you know,

it's probably not even worth kind of bringing him in. He's got health problems. He's got all this shit. He's likely never going to talk. And that's also maybe why he never actually went into detail specifically about, you know, his actual, I guess, position in the JFK assassination. Now, how does this all tie back to Malcolm Wallace? And how is this kind of confirmed, right?

We get to talk about the fingerprint. Guess what? There was a fingerprint that was documented in the sixth floor of the Texas school book depository. And do you know what this fingerprint comes back to? Well, let me tell you this. These investigative journalists went through hell because obviously if you're Malcolm Wallace, you've been involved in murders, you've been involved in all this stuff, you've been into criminal act and all this other shenanigans.

And your best buddies with the president or former president. Yeah, but you have a finger. on record, obviously. I mean, you're a criminal. You have been convicted of murder. So you do have a fingerprint on record. And there just so happened to be an unidentified fingerprint on the sixth floor of the Texas school book depository.

Now, although if you know anything about fingerprints, you know, if you put your fingerprint down on a surface and you make it like perfect, if, you know, like if you look at a... Like they're doing your fingerprints. Yeah, like if you're going to a booking or whatever, like you're not going to a booking. If you, if you're ever in jail or you're a jailer. If you're getting clearance for some for a job. Yeah, exactly. Any of that stuff. They're going to roll your finger left or right. And they're going to make sure it is. Right. Your full fingerprint. Yeah. 100%. Yes. With all of them. Yeah. But oftentimes, you know, if you are in a room and you were touching stuff or maybe you've halfway touched a desk or a

surface, your full fingerprint's not going to be there. And some of that might be smudged. It might be different. but the key is, is that for expert fingerprint examiners, they can tell whether or not a fingerprint, even if it is half, is likely a full fingerprint examination. And so they took this fingerprint from the sixth floor, and they started to investigate, and they started to do everything they possibly could to pull Malcolm Wallace's fingerprint from the records of various bookings, whatever.

And so with this part here, we're going to talk about Malcolm Wallace and the fingerprint. The Mac Wallace fingerprint. It was little more than a smudge. For that reason, this particular fingerprint was determined to be unidentified, or perhaps unidentifiable, and was filed away in the National Archives for over 35 years, along with hundreds of other Warren Commission exhibits, until it's... appearance and identity was clarified in 1998. The print in question was found on Box A, the designation given to the box of books that

supposedly served as a rifle rest for Lee Harvey Oswald. But this particular print, Box A, print number 29, was not that of Oswald. Neither did it match the employees of the book depository Or any of the police, FBI, or Secret Service agents Who swarmed over the building within minutes of the assassination. How this fingerprint was discovered, analyzed, and eventually matched with a 1951 fingerprint card of Malcolm Wallace is an interesting story.

And the impelling force behind this matchup was of all people an ex-Dallas cop. The fingerprints that covered the boxes piled strategically in the sniper's nest became the study for a man who made the Kennedy assassination his life's work. To say he was a researcher is a statement that is less than complete. Jay Harrison was on November 22, 1963, a Dallas policeman, who within five minutes of the shoot, of the president was at the scene of the crime.

I met Jay online in 1996, sometime after the men on the sixth floor was published. The book, rich in detail about Malcolm Everett Wallace, was the reason why Jay contacted me. He was obsessed with Mac Wallace, and I guess I was too. He wrote, I believe that you and I have more than one thing in common.

Malcolm Everett Wallace, a man of many interests and vocations and friends, among other attributes, and faults, and ignored by most historians, and more importantly, ignored by probable miss or disinformation sources. I buy very few conspiracy books until such time as I can acquire them at the $1 or $2 special close-out section at half-price books here in Austin. Two authors recently, release their works. Jim Hosty, a fictional writer, in parentheses, claiming an inaccurate space in the non-fiction historical world, and Assignment Oswald, arcade publishing 1996, $25.95. Note way overpriced for a fictional account of some of the events that took place in October through December of 63, and two hitherto unknown guys from California named Sample and Column,

who co-authored a yet-to-be-recognized historic classic. Reading this book was quite an experience for me, with the exception of the material on Loy Factor, a person then unknown to me, I had the strangest feeling that somebody was accessing my database. I learned from my correspondence and phone conversations with Jay that his depth of research was phenomenal and his history as a researcher was legend, but only to a few.

He was very cautious about his work on the assassination, always working in the shadows, under the radar. No doubt he held the record for the number of years spent investigating the Kennedy murder, and it was evident that he was proud of it. He wrote, I was a reserve on the Dallas Police Department assigned to the criminal intelligence section on the day of the assassination. I joined the department in early 1961 and left at 1968. My Dallas Police Department ID was 858 and my badge was number 125.

I was the first reserve officer to receive the certificate of merit from the Dallas Police Department. a very prestigious award, as a direct result of my research and undercover work on the left and right wings. I was at the Texas School Book Depository within five minutes of the event. I had the Black Muslim Church under surveillance during the motorcade. It was about a half a mile away from the Texas School Book Depository. Subsequently, I was on the guard team for Governor Conley, and on Sunday morning I was in the basement of City Hall. Hall involved in the security for the transfer of Oswald to the county sheriff's department.

I am identified in the Warren Commission, Volume 12, page 356, line 16. This is the testimony of Sergeant Donald Francis Steele, who I was with all morning long in Dallas police headquarters on Sunday morning, and just prior to, that is five minutes before the shooting of Oswald by Ruby. I drove the car out of the basement that preceded Lieutenant Rio Sam Pierce that gave the opportunity for Ruby to enter the driveway entrance when the crowd was split to allow our cars to exit. Ruby was still in the Western Union office at the time I left. I personally have met and talked at length to George DeMorenschild, Bertha Cheek, George Lincoln, Rockwell, Edwin Taylor, The Paines, Jack Ruby, and new personally Nick McDonald, J.D. Tippett, Jess Curry, Jack Reville, just to cite a few.

My military training and assignments in the U.S. Army during the Korean conflict was in intelligence and communications. My primary MOS was 1766 high-speed radio operator, that is Morse code. and I spent over a year in the Joint Chiefs of Staff Communications Center in the Pentagon. After my active duty, I spent six years in the reserves, which was mandatory, and I was assigned to a six-man-serra team, strategic intelligence, research, and analysis. For over 42 years, I have done genealogical research on specific persons, their families, ancestors, and descendants. That experience has been critical to the establishment of great depth of provable data on the individuals and sub-events that I research in this endeavor. Shortly before Jay's death in May of 2005, he asked Walt Brown to box up his one ton of research and take it to New Jersey for safekeeping. Brown's description of Jay Harrison's research records is impressive.

When people get a chance to view the materials in the Jay Harrison Archive, which I someday hope to be able to scan and put on CDs, they will realize that nobody has ever equaled the meticulous research he did. Mary Farrell was lionized for having a database that involved over 8,000 names. Jays was over 26,000. And it includes masses of vital records, data, birth certificate, death certificate, blue originals, not Xerox copies, that simply boggle the mind. Hopefully the above gives the reader a clear description of the high caliber researcher J.WAS.

Through our communication, he was able to help me with several areas of research, which were included in a later edition of our book. He clarified my mistaken notion that Malcolm Wallace was related to Henry Agard Wallace, former vice president as well as the former secretary of agriculture. His excellent genealogical research helped me find and interview Mack Wallace's ex-wife, Virginia Ledgerwood. I benefited greatly from his file on Wallace, which was deep and rich. Looking back on our communications, I see now,

a subtle hint about the Malcolm Wallace fingerprint. He wrote, If we are both right, which we are, some knowledge can be potentially very dangerous. You were first to put him there in print. I'm going to prove that he was there, exclamation point. It was no doubt during this time that Jay was maneuvering for access.

to the arrest records of Wallace, including the fingerprint file. He never disclosed any than the above about his project of his. About the same time, 1996, I was also corresponding with Stephen Paggeese, a colorful native Texan who was busy writing a book he called the Texas Mafia. Peggis was close to Billy Saul Estes, a longtime friend of the third. family. Piggies, like Jay, was a great researcher, but also a proud Texas historian. I think it was Stephen, who more than anyone else, helped me understand the thinking of a true Texan. Billy Solestis has been the subject of what has been called one of the greatest controversies

in American history. Some people call him a wizard, some people call him a crook. He spoke very candidly me when I visited him in Abilene, Texas. What did Robert Kennedy have against you? Oh, Robert Kennedy had nothing against me personally or nothing against Lyndon Johnson personally. He wanted to be the most powerful man in the United States and the world. And he was fighting the most powerful man in the world and couldn't win. Peguiz, like Jay, was an early reader of the men on the sixth floor.

And, like Jay, Piggis was very interested in Malcolm Wallace. Since it was Billy Saul Estes who first drew the connection between Wallace, LVJ, and the assassination of JFK, naturally Stephen Paggeese was knowledgeable in this area and was attracted to the information in our book. It was, in fact, Peguiz who gave me the first of the four Estes documents that we later included in a later edition of the book. book. His source for these important documents is yet another story. Locking case since 1962 about when the news is what I can and can't see. I'm wired. Mm-hmm. Because I'm not missing this. I'm a journalist. This is the 17th of this month. Yeah. I'm leaving for Texas in about four days.

Geez. I'd like to meet you there. Because of our common interests, I introduced Stephen Beguise to Jay Harrison. Before long, the two men struck up a friendship and combined their talents. As the story goes, they were successful in setting up an interview with a family member of Malcolm Wallace. This interview was to be on September 3, 1997. But that morning, Jay was shocked to find that Stephen had died of a heart attack the night before, or early that morning. This was a terrible blow to the normally reclusive Jay Harrison. His reclusiveness transformed into paranoia.

He called me the next day to tell me of Stephen's untimely death, shaken, his voice fearful. I remembered a package of notes and clippings that Stephen had just sent me. I grabbed the envelope and looked at the date. August 28, 1997. So by the way, this journalist Stephen Pagee, dies right before he's going to undercover some shit about STs and Lennaby Johnson. Heart attack, yeah. Quote and quote-unquote heart attack.

And then obviously, Jay, this. Other investigator. Dallas police officer. Yeah. That was probably the biggest investigator for the JFK assassination calls Sam and says, hey. I'm freaked out. Yeah, this is getting kind of crazy because everybody kind of involved or, is trying to kind of bring up evidence of this is dying.

And there has been, you know, we often talk about like the Hillary Clinton kill list. I'm telling you, LBJ might have the Clinton's beat. I'm not even kidding. I mean, everything that surrounded JFK is assassination. And, you know, you could say, and we're still not even to the point necessarily, whether this was CIA or this was LBJ's little hit squad because of all of his corruption. We're going to get to that after the. this clip and this clip's not much longer, but we have to get to the point of the fingerprint.

That's what we're working towards because if you guys are out there, you're looking at everything on social media and you're like, oh, where's a smoking gun? Where's a smoking gun? It's why we have to play this for you. And Glenn Sample and Mark Colum, the investigative journalist along with all the others they worked with for this book, did an amazing job. I believe Glenn Sample's still alive. I'm not sure about Mark Coleman.

We actually did reach out to Glenn Sample. but I don't know. I think Glenn Samwell's kind of not necessarily on social media or any of that stuff. So it's kind of hard to get in touch him nowadays. But either way,

these guys did probably the most incredible investigative journalism that I've ever seen on anything. Yeah, and it sounds like Jay, the Dallas cop, did a lot too. Oh, yeah. He's definitely like number one

as far as his research because of likely everything he saw witnessed and was involved with that day. Yeah, he actually saw shoot, Oswald being killed. Yeah.

So, yeah, exactly. I mean, he was a part of the entire setup. And also, he was there today that JFK was assassinating. Let's listen to some more days prior to his death. Included in the package was a reply from the Chicago Police Department concerning a freedom of information request for information on the death of former SD's business partner, Coleman Wade. The letter informs Stephen that no information could be found.

A similar letter from the FBI concerning information requested about the deaths of Ike Rogers, Harold Orr, Coleman Wade, Howard Pratt, and Malcolm Everett Wallace. There was no record responsive to the FOIA request. The response was dated August 5, 1997. The sudden death of Stephen Pagy's haunted Jimenez. Jay in till the day of his own death in 2005. After Jay's phone call, informing me of Stephen's death, our communication ended, but not Jay's determination.

Undaunted, Jay Harrison hunted down the object of his obsession, the Mac Wallace fingerprint card. It came after years of legal wrangling with the Austin Police authorities. During this period, Jay started working with Barr McClellan, who was busy compiling research for his book, Blood, Money, and Power, How LBJ K, K McClellan's team of researchers, who included, among others, Walt Brown, was instrumental in pushing the fingerprint project onward. Meanwhile, Mark and I got a tip that there was a group of Texas researchers who had matched a fingerprint

found in the Texas School Book Depository with Wallace's fingerprint. A little else was known about this team, but two names of its researchers, Barr McClellan and Jay Harrison. The information that we had was sparse, namely that the TSBD, that is the Texas School Book Depository, print was found on box A and could possibly be print number 20, number 22, or 29, or all three. The corresponding matching print was from a fingerprint card from Wallace's arrest record. Our excitement was intensified and greatly warranted. Mark and I were faced with a real possibility that Loy Factor's story could become more plausible, even more credible than ever before, based on real forensic evidence. I could not sleep for days.

There has never been a doubt in my mind that the factor story leading to Mac Wallace, LBJ and the assassination of J.FK was true. But now we would be able to prove it. We determined that we would launch an investigation of our own, not to preempt the Texas team, but to satisfy our own curiosity. We had no idea how or when or even if the other team was planning on releasing its information, and it seemed that it would be a simple task. We needed to get Mac Wallace's fingerprint card.

From what we knew, Wallace had been arrested in 1951 and fingerprinted by the Austin police. My attempts to get the prints from them were fruitless. We learned that Mack had also been arrested in Dallas on public drunkenness charges in the early 60s. Our attempts to find these records were also disappointing. Attaining the latent fingerprint photos from the National Archives proved to be the easiest part. Finally, we were able to come up with a poor-quality copy of a copy of, the 1951 Wallace print. Our next step was our most faulty.

I found an organization called Scafo, an acronym for Southern California Association of Fingerprint Officers. I emailed several of its members, explaining that I was a writer who was working on a story that involved examining some fingerprints. I invited anyone within the membership to contact me if they were interested. in offering their professional opinions.

Within a week, two or three did respond. I was most impressed by a young officer named Mike, who specialized in fingerprint analysis in a nearby police department. He invited me to his office to show him what I had. His superior officer was also curious and joined the conversation. Their curiosity and my desire to have these prints compared influenced me to disclose the nature and source of the fingerprints. The Texas researchers, I later learned,

had handled this in an entirely different way by keeping the details of the prince secret, thereby allowing their expert to work blind without prejudice. The initial examination of the prints convinced the fingerprint officers that they needed better prints. Going against official policy, they contacted Austin and requested, the official fingerprint file of Malcolm Wallace, which they quickly obtained.

How disappointed we were to hear the words, Sorry, no match, come from our experts. Their explanation was that the prints were similar, and many matching points. There were too many dissimilar elements. The officers also indicated that their superiors advised them to drop the project and not connect the department to it in any shape or fashion. We were not allowed to have the possession of the requested official print,

since it was the property of the department. Our fingerprint investigation came to a sad end. Meanwhile, the Texas Group held a press conference on May 29, 1998. John Kellan was the first to report the details. quote, a Texas-based assassination research group has identified a man believed to have left a previously unidentified fingerprint on a box, making up the alleged sniper's nest on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, from which President Kennedy was allegedly assassinated in 1963. Researcher Walt Brown speaking on behalf of the Texas group said at a May 29th press conference,

in Dallas, that the fingerprints belong to Malcolm E. Mac Wallace, a convicted killer with ties to Lyndon Baines Johnson. Brown presented data showing a 14-point match between Wallace's fingerprint card obtained from the Texas Department of Public Safety and the previously unidentified print, a copy of which was kept in the National Archives. The match was made by A. Nathan Darby, an expert with some of the record. certification by the International Association of Identifiers. According to members of the research group, this new evidence has been in the hands of the Dallas Police Department since May 12th. The Dallas Police Department passed it on to the FBI,

the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Malcolm Wallace, convicted in a 1951 murder and suspected in others, was reportedly killed in an automobile accident in 1971. He has been linked to the death of Texas Agriculture Department investigator Henry Marshall, said to be close to uncovering felonious behavior by Billy Saul Estes and Lyndon Johnson. The fact of Wallace's fingerprint in the so-called sniper's nest does not, of course, mean he pulled the trigger that day. Brown cited FBI fingerprint expert Sebastian Latona's testimony to the Warren Commission, in which Latona said that fingerprints can only be taken from a surface like cardboard within 24 hours of its origin. Furthermore, Wallace's print at the crime scene is hard evidence that corroborates the circumstantial evidence of Loy Factor's eyewitness account of Wallace's presence, said Texas researcher Richard Bartholomew.

Loy Factor has claimed that he, Wallace, Lee Oswald, and a woman identified as Ruth Ann were present on the TSBD, sixth floor as part of an assassination team. According to Bartholomew, the same question was raised by the Dallas Police on May 12th. The FBI's own textbook on fingerprint science teaches the basic concept of fingerprint evidence used in criminal investigation, he said. Those who have an innocent reason to have handled the objects in question are eliminated from suspicion if their latent prints are present. Did Wallace have an innocent reason? No. Mark and I posted our progress or lack thereof on our website. I want to pause here for a second because as we're getting to the fingerprint and you have this Texas researcher group that came out and said this is Malcolm Wallace's fingerprint.

We have a 14-point match. They then cross-references with other organizations across probably five or six different groups. And so for sure that there was a 14-point match to Malcolm Wallace that was on the sixth floor in the Texas School Book Depository. So if you look up what is the standard for U.S. and U.K. as far as criminal liability. So if you are in a court case and you are on trial for the murder of whoever it is, whether it's a friend, foe, whatever,

legal experts will argue to the jury that will be allowed to argue this as an expert in fingerprints that eight to 16 points of similarity are considered extremely strong evidence, which would, then lead to a conviction based on whatever your crime is. That is 18 to 16 points.

This is in the 1960s. They had a 14 point, a 14 point match. And we're talking about here in court cases in the United States and in UK, that 8 to 16 points is a criminal conviction in most cases on fingerprints. So. Yeah, and he had a 14 point, which tells you he should have been. investigated. Well, of course, but he wasn't going to be investigated. I mean, you have to remember that

Lyndon B. Johnson was the president of the United States now. I know. And so this was his right-hand man. Well, yeah, and these guys that were investigating it after they, like, found all this stuff and they're like, oh, my gosh, this is the dude. And then they were told to back down. Yeah.

That there were too many in consistency. Yeah, inconsistencies of the fingerprints. But you also have to understand that the group that they went to was likely a part of a system, right? It was a college-type university system that was obviously also connected to the government, which also, you know, received funding from the government. The government's also going to have very strong indication or, sorry,

indications or, I guess, intelligence on, hey, if this stuff comes out, obviously samples had to make the group aware eventually when he got there, like, well, this is what we're actually researching. there was probably likely also a reason why one of the top fingerprint guys came into this meeting with a few of the people that responded. And then also likely they reached out to someone to say. And then that someone said shut it down. Yeah, absolutely.

Nope, you're done. Sorry. Peace out. But it was also interesting how fast that this group got the fingerprint cards, but none of the investigative journalists could get it. Yeah. And then it was all shut down. but even with the fingerprint that was less than what would probably be needed for a criminal conviction in a court.

And so what that means is it doesn't mean that that is not as valid because they had a lesser than print. What it really actually probably means is that they would have got a much stronger points of match on a legit fingerprint card. And I think that's when the group organization, California, whatever school, got this card. They likely saw maybe it was like a 25 or 30 point match. We don't know.

But and then they're like, okay, can't do this. This has something to do with JFK. Right. And we're out. And Lyndon Johnson, too. Yeah, for sure. And, you know, this is Lyndon Johnson's kind of secondhand man who he is best buddies with for some reason.

So he can murder people. and get them out of the way. Yeah, I get why you say that he was probably a POS. Yeah. So I want to quickly get to this because, guys, this is like two hours and 40 minutes now. And I do encourage everybody just to give them more reads is, you know, the men on the sixth floor. Because I think that although their work was, you know, throughout many years. I mean, this is investigative journalism that we need today.

And there are still some out there that are. doing this type of investigative journalism, but I do encourage you guys to hear read it. You can get it on Amazon. You can get it on Kindle Unlimited. You pay a small fee. I weren't, no, we're obviously not sponsored by this book or any of that stuff. But when I read it, I really then dove into the research. There were many books that kind of followed this that dove deeper into this research,

which even solidifies it further. Yeah. I mean, he talks about 20 other books that are talking about the same thing he's talking about. But they were the first. Yeah. Like they were the first. They were the ones that uncovered this entire story. And I don't know if it was luck or God or whatever it was, but this story was exposed.

And so I also want to briefly talk for a second about Bobby Kennedy. So in the middle on the sixth floor, Glenn Sample and Mark Colum suggested that Bobby was prepared to investigate Lyndon B. Johnson. And so he was going to investigate him for his alleged involvement and corruption and possibly even the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Bobby Kennedy thought and believe that Lyndon B. Johnson was involved in this. So even if, as you listen to what we've been playing tonight, where there are investigative journalists that were getting on the trail of what Lyndon B. Johnson, Malcolm Wallace,

and the other hit squad members were doing, obviously Bobby Kennedy, the Attorney General of the United States had this information as well. And the book Explores theory is obviously that Johnson had deep ties to criminal elements and was implicated in financial and political scandals, which Bobby Kennedy, as Attorney General, was trying to pursue had JFK not been assassinated. And so as for the timeline, John F. Kennedy was assassinated in November 22, 1963, and Bobby Kennedy was assassinated on June 5, 1968, nearly four and, a half years later. So do you want to know who the president at Bobby Kennedy's assassination was? Well, it was Lyndon B. Johnson. This was Bobby Kennedy's assassination on June 5th, 1968.

The president of the United States was Lyndon B. Johnson. Johnson had been in office since November 22nd, 1963, following the assassination of John F. Kennedy and was serving his full elected term after winning the 1964 election. But by 1968, Johnson had announced that he would not seek re-election, largely due to to grow in opposition to the Vietnam War and political turmoil. So at the time, Bobby Kennedy's assassination, the race for the Democratic nomination was in full swing, with RFK being a frontrunner after his victory in the California primary. Johnson remained in office until January, 2019, 69, when Richard Nixon was inaugurated as an ex-president.

So Bobby Kennedy was also assassinated during Lyndon B. Johnson's term. And I think, and this is just kind of my theory, even with Bobby, that he was on the trail of Lyndon B. Johnson. He was about to prove the truth about what happened because Bobby knew everything that this book details, the men on the sixth floor, he knew about Estes, he knew about Macaum Wallace, he knew about Madeline Brown. He knew about every single connection that this book talks about and all the involvement in the corruption and political murder. really. I mean, there were at least 12 to 17 murders potentially connected to Lyndon B. Johnson, maybe even Malcolm Wallace, as the main hitman. And then you think about Lloyd Factor's story, this guy that is accused of his wife's murder, which maybe he was accused of his wife's

murder for the reasoning of they knew what he was involved in. Then he was, he had an attempted assassination in jail. But how his description goes into detail about his involvement that day. His recollection of a guy named Wallace as Hispanic guy. Yeah. And it comes to be. This was the first account of anyone that Malcolm Wallace had anything to do with anybody. And then you start going down this rabbit hole, including up to the fingerprint that was found in the Texas school book depository.

You have his description of where he was, how he exited the building. Who was involved? Lee Harvey Oswald. Jack Ruby. Jack Ruby ended up killing Lee Harvey Oswald. And then also there were many witnesses that said that they saw people other than one shooter in the Texas schoolbook department. And they were murdered as well. There were many of the witnesses murdered.

So then the question, the last thing we're going to talk about briefly is who was Malcolm Wallace? Why? Like, was he just a right-hand man of Lyndon B. Johnson? Was this just a, you know, say that I become vice president. I have my boys and I got this like deep corruption and I hired this hit squad underneath me to cover up all of the bullshit that I'm involved in the corruption, the, you know, even potentially murders or my assassination plots, whatever it is. I hire this team. Do you think that's more likely? Do you think it was somehow involved or connected to the government itself?

I had looked this up. I said, how involved was Lyndon B. Johnson with the CIA? like during his term, right? He was at one time the Speaker of the House. He was over the House, whatever the Intelligence Committee was back then. So he was heavily involved in intelligence communities before he ever become Vice President. He obviously connected with a lot of people in the intelligence agencies. He then was, in many people's belief, installed as the Vice President.

We've seen this before with Bush Sr. In the Reagan administration, which was also heavily connected to CIA. which Bush Sr. was one of the first ones that they connected the CIA to the everyday presidential daily briefing. So the CIA has always wanted to be firsthand man into the dissemination of information to the executive branch. And although Bush was the last known, at least highly documented case of this, you got to think about Lyndon B. Johnson, I think was maybe even the first. or I mean, it was probably wasn't the first, but he was another well-documented case. He was over-intelligence in the committees.

He was Speaker of the House. He then got installed as Vice President. He was heavily involved in the, you know, the kind of the Cold War era Soviet communist propaganda, in my opinion. He also had then faced the Vietnam War. There was so much stuff going on. Cuba, Cuba Missile Crisis. When they went to JFK and said, hey, we got to. fake terrorist attacks and blame it on Cuba so we can invade.

This was Operation Northwood. Yeah. There was everything involved in this. And, you know, there was one file that JFK said. JFK had this file and he said he went to his joint chiefs of staff. Number one, the Joint Chief of staff came to him and said, JFK, we want to do this. This was Operation Northwoods.

We want to fake terrorist attacks in the United States. Not fake them. We want to actually kill Americans. And we want to blame it on. Cuba so that we can then invade. And JFK said, have you lost your F in mind? Are you absolutely batshit crazy? And then JFK, one of the best quotes from JFK was, there's a plot in this country to

enslave every man, woman and child. Before I leave this high and noble office, I intend to expose this plot. This was JFK. And this was seven days before he was assassinated. This was a president that although was Democrat, you know, we look at everything now from a lens of Republican Democrat. He was a Democrat. Many people believed he was a good human being. He was a womanizer.

He had the women, including Marilyn Monroe, which also died a mysterious death. Yeah. We don't know necessarily. Well, they say it was a drug overdose, but I don't leave that. Yeah, we don't know for sure. But either way, JFK was always bucking the system. He bucked the CIA. He bucked the deep state.

He bucked the bureaucracy. And this is when the deep state, bureaucracy and intelligence was really ramping up. This is when they wanted to take over the people in the country. And JFK was consistently bucking it. This was when the politicians that were underneath JFK were involved in so much corruption. It was insane. And then we'd go back just for a moment to one of the files that JFK was responding to Joe Biden. and JFK says you are a traitor to the United States

and he essentially was saying fuck you like get off my email and so well I don't think they had email back then but get off my mail well whatever it was yeah it was it was a correspondence between JFK and Joe Biden at the time I believe Senator and so when I saw this file

I was obviously I was blown away but also not surprised because if you think about JFK you think about someone in some group and some entity that wants to murder a president as bad as they wanted to murder JFK. And also, a president as bad as they wanted to murder Trump and they have been. You know, these are people that go against the system. These are the people oftentimes that may fight for you versus the system. And that's what they are desperately and deeply scared of. And so I'm not necessarily comparing Trump to JFK.

You guys can make your own comparisons there. but what I hope that you do take away from this episode is that all the bullshit you see on social media about Israel, about Russia, about whatever the bullshit's narrative is on this document release. This document release is horseshit. I literally looked up the references to Malcolm Wallace with AI. And it does mention Malcolm Wallace. It mentions him as far as the conspiracy theories behind Malcolm Wallace. in LBJ. It talks about this in CIA documents,

but it never actually truly connects Malcolm Wallace the way that the men on the six floor book does and including Loy Factor. And so if you want to know what happened with JFK, I think you just found out. And I know this was a long episode, but either way, guys,

we're just got to have the truth. That's all we're going to do. Yeah, that's right. We're tired of bullshit. We're tired of lies. Next Epstein files. And I got to read, I got to find a book about Epstein House.

But they're probably going to lie to us about that as well. Until next time, the name of this song is Settle Your Regrets by a Non-State Actor. Till the next time, guys, we love you. Peace out. Peace out, guys.