Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast - Joe Rogan Anna Paulina Luna Podcast Breakdown

Episode Date: August 16, 2025

In this episode, we dive deep into Joe Rogan’s explosive conversation with Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, where UFO encounters, interdimensional beings, and even missing books of the Bible take center stage. We break down the chilling story of fighter pilots shaken by a UAP that defied human technology, Luna’s claims of Congress seeing evidence of beings beyond our dimension, and how ancient texts may hold answers modern science won’t touch. But that’s not all, we also revisit the time Joe Rogan sat down with Tucker Carlson, where Tucker laid out his own thoughts, research, and facts about what UFOs really are. From government secrecy to biblical connections, this episode pulls no punches in connecting the dots between the supernatural, the political, and the spiritual. If you’ve ever wondered whether UFOs are extraterrestrial, interdimensional, or something much older, this is a breakdown you don’t want to miss.New MERCH DROP HERE!

You got me over thinking. Hello and welcome back to another episode of Investigator with podcast. I'm your host, Chad, alongside my beautiful wife, Sherry. Now, a couple of days ago, Joe Rogan, welcome Florida Representative Anna Paulina Luna to his podcast. And trust me, it got wild. Between a pilot two rattled to speak, mysterious aircraft not made by mankind and claims that Congress has seen real evidence of interdimensional beings. The episode wasn't your typical political talk. Luna even tied it all back to ancient scripture,

warning that missing books of the Bible may have recorded these phenomena long before we had words like UFO or you AP. If this doesn't get your attention, I don't know what will. Let's get into the highlights of this episode. Guys, welcome to the show. It is August 15th, 2025. And the name of this song is overthinking by Daslo. Daslo, man. Why did you not put a rap song right there?

Because, or a rap verse anyway. I was literally about to wrap the intro. It made me Kept wanting to do it But it just would not have made sense Because it doesn't rhyme And then the Luna came in And she said this and that

Oh gosh almighty There you go There you go We shouldn't let Sherry do it That was the problem Yeah because she went to the vet And made a bet Oh yeah

Yeah Sherry's written rap songs before We might release those one day Or not Anyways guys Welcome to the show This podcast has kind of been Blowing off across the internet Everywhere

I mean everybody Just kind of watching this show is saying, man, it's mind blowing. It really makes you overthink, like the song talks about, overthinking. And when you overthink, you oftentimes come to conclusions that you never thought were possible. And we have talked about this interdimensional aspect of UFOs and UABs so many times. And then Anna Paulina Luna goes on. She talks to Jerr Rogan about this.

Now, for those that do not know who Anna Paulina Luna is, she is in Congress. She is on a committee. She is actually one of the leaders of the committee that brought David Grush. before Congress, alongside Tim Birchett and others, where David Grush himself came out and said, look, I have worked on programs and around people that have seen biologics. We know that we reverse engineering downed spacecraft from other places or other dimensions. We don't 100% know what exactly we have been working on. But that is something that David Grush claimed.

That is something that Commander David Fravor also claimed he was a U.S. Navy F-18 pilot. And then you had Ryan Graves, also another F-18 pilot. to operate off the east coast of the United States to where they encountered these things on a regular basis. And so Joe Rogan, it was interesting. We watched the podcast and Joe Rogan, I guess, kind of has a duty in some ways

to be skeptical. Although, yes, this is pretty much all he has talked about from the last 13 or 14 years he's been doing the show. But it's almost just the fact that he's talked about it so much, you almost have to be skeptical. The same way we would be if anyone from Congress or government came

on and tried to convince or tell our audience to, hey, guys, I've seen this. I've seen this. I've seen this. Joe Rogan asked the right questions. I think he did a very good job at it. And I think you do have to be skeptical because, you know, listen, we can all, I guess, speculate. We can all have our opinions on what UFOs actually are. Do UFOs actually exist? Is it advanced technology? Or is it interdimensional beings? Is it something else? Is it some, you know, alien civilization from Zeta reticula or somewhere else? And we have to, at the same time, be speculative. We obviously have our opinions.

But look, if you bring on someone like Anna Pauline Luna to your podcast, then you have to ask and be as speculative as you can to get her to dive in as much as she can, especially considering this woman has been in many skiffs with classified information. She knows and has had access to things that none of the general public has have had access. this to. And so this age old question of whether UFOs are real did this podcast for you guys. And I want you to tell us after our show tonight, I want you to send us a message, whether Facebook, Instagram, email, investigators podcast at Protonmel.com or on X. I want you to send us a message and tell us, do you think this interview did anything for you as far as move you closer to believe in that UFOs are really out there? They really exist. And this is starting to become part of your reality.

It's definitely a part of my reality. But overthinking and maybe a little speculative, I felt like maybe she had listened to our podcast in the past because especially when she brought up the book of Enoch. Yeah. I mean, there's not a lot of people out there that even talk about that. And I was like, dang, does she listen to our podcast? Because she really had a lot of the same thoughts that we've talked about previously on many, many podcasts.

Yeah, she's actually also talking about zero point energy in a couple of different places. So there were people like, I think she listens to Ashton as well. We oftentimes think about stuff like that, right? We have a lot of, you know, pretty big people that follow us in various platforms. And I think she follows us as well. Yeah, on social media for sure and have no idea about the podcast itself. But, you know, we're not the only ones that are talking about this stuff. Obviously, there's so many people that do talk about the UFO topic.

But I guess kind of how we have over the past two or three years shaped and shifted our thoughts and our opinions. sorry about that we've shifted our thoughts and opinions on kind of what we think and how we think about the UFO topic and I think a lot of this also to us I believe or at least to me I'm not going to speak for sherry the UFO topic has kind of led me more down the path of this is some type of spiritual being or spiritual type of interdimensional thing that maybe our ancestors or you know the people that we read about in the Bible used to also encounter and so just like I said in the intro, you know, there's been people for thousands of years. It's not like this just started in 1940 during the Roswell incident. It's not like it even started in the 1930s with some

of the sightings back then. This is, this has been going on for years and years and years and years. And there have been many books, including the Bible written that there are places in the Bible where you think, like, are they talking about UFOs? I mean, understand that a lot of Christians believe these people were talking to angels or whatever the case is. But, Were these angels interdimensional beings? And is that what interdimensional beings are? Yeah, that's what I was going to say is, you know, where do you take the line or what is the line between spiritual and interdimensional? Does it make it spiritual because it is interdimensional?

Well, I don't know. No, not necessarily because, I mean, well, I guess the definition of what is spiritual, right? I mean, spiritual to us is something that involves God. It involves a higher power. It involves someone that we worship. It involves someone that created the universe or at least our earth. You know, most people consider that a spiritual type thing. So when you pray or you have faith in a higher power or God or Jesus or whatever, that is spiritual.

Would that also classify all interdimensional beings as spiritual? Well, it depends, right? It depends on if all spiritual or sorry, if all interdimensional beings are spiritual, or like, you know, on the godly realm? Or are they maybe some type of advanced civilization from some far planet that has somehow tapped into this interdimensional realm? Travel, yeah. Or even travel.

Absolutely. So we just don't know. And we've talked about this many times as well. This is one of the things I had a little bit disagreed with on Avi Loeb. Avi Loeb on a podcast I was listened to probably about a week ago where he's on this podcast. And obviously, if you guys have not listened to our last episode where we talked about three i atlas which is that comet slash spacecraft we don't know exactly what it is but it is coming towards i guess kind of towards earth is going to be on the back southern moon at some point um it is

on october 30th this year it is only our third interstellar visitor um ever that we've ever detected and ovilob which is a harvard scientist came out and said look you know there's a 40% chance that this thing that we are allegedly saying as a comment um could be actually intelligently controlled. But one of the things he said was that I maybe did not necessarily agree with. He's like, you know, with CERN, for example, we're doing a lot of research out in CERN I think is a waste of money. They're spending, you know, billions of dollars in this large, basically particle collider

out in CERN. There's massive tubes and they're running things at nearly light speed, colliding particles together to try to see how many dimensions there are. We've talked about this on the podcast before. And I think based on their research, what we do know is that there's probably 9, 10, or at least 11 dimensions from some of the things they have found. There's even been conspiracy theories out there that they somehow were nearly opening a portal to hell. That was something that, you know, the, what's the scientist? This crippled I came to remember his name.

That was also on Epstein list. Oh, yeah. Oh, gosh. I can't think right now. But I can see his face. Yeah. Anyways, that guy had talked about like if we keep screwing with. particle collision and all this stuff, then we have a good chance of, you know, opening up a portal to

hell. And if you think about CERN, they had a lot of hellish, like, symbolism going on with all of their stuff. Yeah, well, it's the same stuff, right? The World Economic Forum, they're open in ceremonies. They do a lot of weird stuff with Mollick and kind of these other gods. A lot of people call that Satanism or Satanistic worship. We see that not only at the World Economic Forum, we've also saw a lot of symbol.

at the CERN site. So it's like, what are they really doing at CERN? Are they trying to open up a portal to another dimension? I think they are because that's what they're trying to figure out are there other dimensions? Or are they actually trying to interact with those dimensions? Well, and they're also trying to find the God particle. The God part of the ultimate particle. Yeah, exactly.

And which essentially just means, and that's the Higbosom particle. I think they have already technically found that. But, you know, we've talked about it so many times on the show to where it's like, If you think about Earth and reality, three dimensions is everything you see, fourth dimensions time, fifth dimension goes beyond that, six dimension. And basically, the higher you go in dimensions, the more power you have, if you can manipulate it, right? If you can get in those dimensions and fully understand it, the more power you are able to have. So are there civilizations out there that have harnessed the power of other dimensions beyond what we actually witness and interact with on a daily basis?

or is this just some huge, not conspiracy, but I guess spiritual connection that maybe the Bible has been trying to explain to us for a very long time? So we're going to go ahead and get into the Anna Paulina Luna clip that says she has seen evidence of interdimensional beings and we'll break it down. Listen. When I was stationed at Portland Air National Guard, my job there was an airfield manager. So I would interface and work a lot with the F-15 pilots at the unit. And so there had been an airspace incursion that had taken place when I was still at the time at the Guard.

And I remember kind of talking to some of the pilots about it. And I was like, what was that? And they're like, eh, we can't really talk about it. No one really wanted to address it. And so from what I'd gathered, that had been likely a UAP. And so that kind of was my perspective. Granted, I also grew up in the generation of the X-Files. and, you know, I don't know if you remember 94 Independence Day.

So, like, for me specifically, I didn't look at it with like a crazy lens in perspective. I'm like, you know, you never know if, you know, we're the only ones out there, essentially. But why did you assume that if it's a top secret incursion that he couldn't talk about that it wasn't just a military craft from another country? Because of the way that he was discussing it. How did he what he said? So he had been, he didn't want to, from what I gather, get taken off flight status. And he's like, I really can't discuss it. we couldn't really like identify it essentially and it had outperformed them.

And so that was my first from a military perspective kind of experience with someone who basically, you know, there's a stigma within the flight community. Do you want to lose your security clearance? What, you know, is there this level of crazy that people kind of brand that will stick with you and kind of ruin your career? But doesn't he have instrumentation on his jet? Well, at the time, right? So it's an older platform. but he really didn't want to even talk about it. And I bring that up because now with our investigation and the task force that I run, actually, the reason why the task force was formed was because of an event that happened at Eglon Air Force Base where both myself, Representative Mack Gates and Representative Tim Birchah actually had responded and gone to investigate multiple Air Force pilots that had come forward in regards to UAP incidences that had occurred.

They were alleging that the Air Force was covering it up. Interesting. I want to pause for a second because what she's saying here about pilots is absolutely true. If you go, especially if you're a military pilot and you go to report some stuff like, hey, I witness a UFO or what I believe is a, you know, alien spacecraft or whatever it is that you may say, that is very detrimental to your career, especially in the military. And not just that. I mean, there's a reason why we have so much mental health issues in our aviation community as it is because a lot of pilots are not, you know, They're too afraid to go out and get help if they do have mental issues or if they do have PTSD or they do have these various factors that may affect them being able to perform their job. Although in most cases, you know, we've talked about SSRIs on the podcast before, but in most cases, you know, you could foreseeably get on medicine and, you know, fix whatever issue you have.

But the problem is pilots are too afraid to even do that. I do know that the Federal Aviation Commission, for example, or administration, they only have two approved SSRIs that pilots can take. And that is if they are approved to take them. And that is if they can get through their medical after whatever the pilot comes to their doctor and says, hey, I got this issue. I got either depression, anxiety, some type of PTSD stuff. If you go to your doctor as a pilot, that's very dangerous.

because yes, they could put you on some SSRI, but the likelihood that you're going to get into the airlines, especially if that's the kind of route you're going or even in commercial aviation in general flying private jets or med flights or police helicopters, any of that stuff, that is all looking at and taken very seriously. And obviously most of those companies, if they look at you and you have some type of mental health record

on your FAA record, they're going to take someone else over you because it's just, you know, it's just an insurance policy for them. They don't want to have to deal with that. And especially if they hire you, you crash the airplane or you crashed a helicopter, whatever the case is. And they say, well, look, you knew that he had this issue and you still hired him. Then you're setting yourself up for lawsuits. You know, if you kill 200 people on board an airplane, someone is getting sued.

And especially the airline itself is going to be sued, even though they have, you know, say a couple of SSRIs that are approved. The reason why they don't have a lot of, other SSRI approved is because of the fact of what we've talked about in the past. There are SSRIs that do very bad things for people mentally, although, yes, they may need something that can help them. But I just remember, like, when I was growing up and I was a teenager and I was getting on SSRIs because of kind of how my childhood was, a lot of those SSRIs antidepressants

or whatever medicine I was taken made me worse. Like, it made me mentally worse. And it made me in very bad situations over the course of three or four or five years. I'd went on so many different medications that nothing worked except for maybe one thing eventually. But then it just kind of made me feel like I was just not there, kind of not in reality. You didn't really have any emotion or feeling. And also with those type of medicines, if you forget to take a dose, you're kind of screwed. Yeah.

I mean, you might start hallucinating. You'll feel lightheaded. You feel like you want to pass out. I mean, it does some crazy stuff to you because I am on one now. I used to be on two. I am on one. But, I mean, that just keeps my sanity. And it kind of keeps me even flowing and not up and down so much.

But it does miss. I mean, I can tell within six hours if I've not took that medicine. Yeah. Yeah. So it's always just kind of dangerous. And especially if pilots are going to come and say, hey, look, you know, I think I saw a UFO or I think I saw this or that. You know, that's why pilots have to be very careful. about how they say things, what they say, what platforms they say things on.

That's why it's really tough to get pilots on podcasts, especially if they've had a UFO encounter or they have seen things in the sky that they can't otherwise, you know, just tell the general public. They can't really because that can absolutely come back on them negatively. And isn't it true, too, that when they go through these health checks, even if you have like something wrong with your heart or something like that, you will not get your license. Absolutely. I mean, there's there's so many things of why you could get your medical taken in aviation. I mean, and not even if you're just commercial pilot. I mean, I'm talking about any pilot.

You know, if you're just a private pilot, there are various ways that you can lose your medical. And if you lose your medical, then you lose your license. And so it's not like, you know, driving a car. It's not like going to the DMB and getting your license. You know, being a pilot is, you know, it is a very strict protocol as far as your health goes, what they consider to be a exempt or non-exempt status for you as far as medical goes and that could be all kinds of stuff. I mean, things that you wouldn't even imagine.

So just understand that military pilots, they likely don't want to just go to someone and say, hey, I think I saw a UFO because that's definitely not going to go well for you. Yes, that was that. And like I'm happy to go into detail on that one. But what I will tell you is the stuff that I saw Egelin, how the military responded, me being a former service member, and then ultimately what I saw with

the pushback of the military, not even wanting to share with Congress information, which is a big problem because when you have Congress that's supposed to be the advocate and voice for the American people, the oversight body, and you're being denied access not just from a base commander, but high level up at the Pentagon, even Secretary of Defense. It's a problem. Do you think that it's possible that these are U.S. vehicles that are top secret? I definitely think that there's a level of advanced technology that the U.S. government has. And I think that that tech can be housed within the defense contract realm. And of course, some information is going to be classified. But I can also tell you, and this might sound crazy, but based on our investigations and stuff that we've seen, okay, there is definitely something that I think would rival what we know currently with physics and a tech that potentially is out there that we don't have the ability to reproduce because it would basically be like drop it. a cell phone, right, off back during the time of maybe cavemen. So, like, we just don't

have the tech to develop it yet. What I can also tell you is based on our interviews, and this has been something that you can go back and watch with the congressional hearings, but I was actually able to ask some of the witnesses, you know, what are these things? And they keep saying interdimensional. And then when you talk about the interdimensional aspect of, you know, are these things preexisting, maybe outside of what we currently know as our own dimension, that stuff can kind of all sound crazy. But at the end of the day, you know, my job as an investigator is to receive all the information, decipher it. And then ultimately from a congressional aspect, if you do have contractors that are withholding information or operating outside of the purview of the federal government,

I mean, there's budgetary issues. But there's definitely something that I can tell you with confidence that exists that we don't know how to explain currently. So when you say that it operates outside our understanding of physics, what specifically are you saying? What happened? To I guess break it down in simple terms is that I think that some of the tech that exists, that whatever these things have, these energy things have. Energy things? Yeah. Well, they call them interdimensional beings. I think that they can actually operate through the time spaces that we currently have.

And that's not something that I came up with on my own. That's based on stuff that we've seen. That's based on information that we've been told. And then also, too, I think that there's this historical aspect of, you know, this gets into the deeper theories and concepts of religion. And I think the history that we currently know. And that kind of spins off into another topic of, you know, you have the modern day Bible. You have this aspect of Bibles or books of the Bible that have been removed that explain and kind of touch on these topics. And I think that we're in a time and age where you have such a vast amount of information that we have actually. access to via social media, via your cell phone, via the internet. And so it's really changing the way

that we understand, you know, the origins of life and the spiritual reality that we know. When you say interdimensional beings, that they know that these are interdimensional beings, how do they know that? Now, I will say already that, you know, Anna here is talking about books removed from the Bible, right? She's literally talking about the book of Enoch. And when you're talking of my interdimensional beings. And she goes further in the detail about this. We're talking about the watchers. We're talking about the watchers, the fallen angels.

They also called them the sons of God rather than the son of man. They called these spiritual beings, the sons of God. And there were 200 of them. And these 200 of them, if you have not listened to our previous podcast, which we have quite a few episodes now on the book of Enoch, as we have studied more and more of this, what these spiritual beings did, known as, the watchers, they came down, had sex with women and human women, and then they created the Nephlem. Now, there are many people believe that maybe the Nephlam, once they were cast down

into Shoal or, or She'll, however you want to say that, when the flood happened, they were cast down to eternity. The only thing that would inhabit the earth of the souls of Nephlem were their spirits. And those, according to Enoch and the Bible itself, talk about these spirits being demonic spirits, right? And so we often also hear, though, of accounts of people that have potentially been abducted. We've had a lot of people, the very credible accounts. You know, Betty and Barney Hill, for example, that went through hypnosis. And they recounted both separately exactly what they experienced and witnessed. You had Travis Walton that had the abduction experience, which is the Fire in the Sky movie. You've had so many notable accounts.

And the weird thing about all these accounts is that it almost always seems like these beings, whatever they are, are trying to do some type of scientific experiments. And it's usually not comforting. It's usually not something in a place that you want to be. And it seems like that for most people's account that these beings or these abduction stories always takes place to where the beings themselves are not actually talking or speaking. they are telecommunicating, they are telepathically telling or talking to you, and they're putting thoughts in your head and they understand what your thoughts are. This is all something through some type of interdimensional spiritual realm, whatever that is, whether it's the demonic side or not,

but we know that they are connecting on a different level than speaking. In my opinion, I think they're all different. They're all the same, but they're all different if that makes sense. Maybe. Like I think interdimensional beings are something. different than these beings that actually abduct people. I think these are real beings not from a different dimension, but from the same dimension and that are able to physically abduct people and take them to their craft or wherever

and do scientific experiments. I know that sounds crazy. And then, you know, Joe Rogan is talking about, what do you mean interdimensional? But do you guys not remember all of his podcasts when he took the DMT? Well, no, he knows. And he experiences interdimensional stuff. Yeah, he knows exactly what interdimensional is. He's just trying to ask Anna, what do you mean by interdimensional?

Like, I want you to explain it to me because obviously Joe Rogan's account and experience. Yeah, he knows, which is I would do the exact same thing. Even though I think I know exactly what you're saying, I want you to explain it to me. But do you not think all of this going on right now with all this disclosure, you know, for years and years and years, nobody would talk about UFOs. Nobody would talk about aliens. You're crazy if you even mentioned the word alien. But now it's acceptable for us to talk about that.

Do you think this is a Project Bluebeam? Do you think this is like a false flag? Why are they coming out with this now? And why is Joe Rogan in the middle constantly? Why isn't he saying, yeah, I believe this. Or, you know, why is he on the fence with it? Well, it's his job. He has to be on the fence with it, right?

I mean, even us, like if we brought anyone on here that has any credibility to their name, like I said, whether they're part of government or whatever, you have to hold those people accountable as the elected leaders in our government. And especially if your government comes to the biggest podcast, which is Joe Rogan and says, trust me, bro. That's basically kind of what she's saying. Just trust me. Yeah. And he's like, no, I'm not going to trust you. No, you're going to explain this. Yeah.

So it's not like he's saying he doesn't believe her, but he's also saying, I want you. to explain this to me and especially not just to me but my audience right but why do you think they're coming out with all this now and it's okay to talk about this stuff when it's not been for so long do you think it's you know a false flag i don't know i don't think it's something i don't think so no why why are we okay to talk about it now well i don't know i mean yes you could get into the theory of hey you know the epstein files have still not come out um you know there's a lot of things that we're putting a lot of pressure on the Trump administration. And there's some things that I guess a lot of, you know, the followers of Trump,

believe that he has faltered on, although he's doing, I believe, great work in other areas for sure. But there are things he has falter on. Now, do I think this is some big sciop that they're trying to kind of take the conversation elsewhere away from Epstein, away from all this? I mean, you know, I don't know. Doubtful only because of the fact, like, for example, there are people that could say that the Trump and Putin meeting today in Alaska was another big media hoopla. You know, Trump literally had a B2 bomber and F-22 fighter jets fly over Putin's head today

as they got off the airplane and met with each other. And guess what Putin said? He said next time we're meeting in Moscow. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, we're going to meet Moscow next time. And, you know, and likely because he wants to fly over their jets over Trump's head, right? This is just a big kind of power play.

But no, do I believe this is a false flag? I don't think so, right? And at the very least, I don't think Anna was sent to Joe Rogan's podcast to try to manipulate Joe Rogan's audience. I don't think, right? I could be completely wrong, but I just don't think that's the case. I do, for the most part, trust Anna. I think she is actually out there trying to get information.

She is trying to work on behalf of the American people. And she is getting a lot of pushback. She is getting, you know, every time that she wants to be. wants to actually interview people in skiffs to where they actually find out further information. These people will go into the skiffs and whoever that is over them, they're handlers, I guess we can call. Right. They tie their hands.

Yeah. And they're like, no, you're not allowed to say anything in that skiff at all. And if you do, just know, you're going to have some shit coming at you. And literally, that might even mean death. Because as David Gresh said, as they asked him and Apollina Luna and the others in the congressional hearings, when she said, do you feel undaned, And do you know anyone that has been in danger because of their life? Yeah.

Yeah. And he's like, I think David Gresh said that he believes that he's known people that have been murdered because of this. Because of this topic. And that's what's crazy about this whole thing is, you know, in going back to the pilots, if they report these kind of things, they could even have like special surprise visitors show up at their door. Like, you're not going to talk about this anymore.

Yeah, absolutely. And I think they're probably already there. I think once they start reporting this stuff within the. their chain of command, I think that shit gets nipped in the bud very fast, at least until they get out of the military. And maybe there was a few that kind of slipped through that they did not necessarily sign things that would put them in prison forever. You know, maybe you're thinking about Ryan Graves, David Grush, people like this.

But I'm sure there are tons of other pilots that have been, have had their hands tied, their handcuffed. They can't say anything. Well, just think about the CIA guy that actually went to prison that we talked about a few weeks ago. Yeah. And he was not allowed to say anything, but once he did his prison time, you know, he had free range. Yeah, he has free range to talk about whatever he wants to.

Yeah, absolutely. That so based on testimony would be based on witnesses that had come forward. But what I can tell you is I've just were told that they were into dimensional. No, no, that they've seen things. And what I can tell you without getting into classified conversations is that there have been incidences that I believe. where very credible people have reported that there have been movement outside of time and space. That's very vague. Yeah.

So look. Unfortunately. Yeah, yeah. Look, have I seen a portal open? No. Have I seen a spaceship? Personally, no. Have I seen evidence of this?

Yes. Have I seen photo documentation of aircraft that I believe were not made by mankind? yes. Is there historical significance to this? Yes. Is there multiple events that go back to, I would argue, maybe even before the time of Christ that have documented this in text? Yes. So do I believe that the government has access to certain technology? Yes, to an extent. And I believe that certain contractors potentially have back engineered this tech. I think that that's what can explain the advancements that we're seeing. But I also believe that this is a dangerous level of hidden information from the American people because if you have an aspect of the federal government,

which I can tell you, I with two other members of Congress, were denied access to information at Eglon Air Force Base pertaining to whistleblowers because of the fact. And we can get into that story on what happened at Eglon in a second. But we were denied access and told that we don't have security clearance or the read and authority on a special access program. That's a problem because I'm supposed to represent and be an investigative body. And you have then people who are unelected, that are operating basically in secrecy. And that's a problem. That's a big problem.

And so how do these people have the authority to do that? I think it's been decades of classified secret information, then also this aspect of the intelligence community that's been empowered. And it's kind of serendipitous with timing because when you talk about the intelligence communities and what they've done essentially to the trust in this country with the American people, I think this goes all the way back even into JFK with how they basically have operated outside of the purview of Congress. And basically, to an extent, have gone rogue up until recently. You're seeing a big push and pull to try to rein in these intelligence agencies currently.

Yeah. So I want to bring it back to evidence. You said that you've seen evidence. Like, what kind of evidence have you seen? I have seen photos. I have seen... What have you seen photos of? And I want to stop here because this is...

is the problem with people in the UFO community that say, okay, well, we have this podcast. We have Anna Paulina Luna coming on talking to Joe Rogan. I have seen evidence, bro. I've seen it. David Grush has said this. So many people have said this. You know, but it's like, when are you going to give us hard evidence? The people.

Are you ever going to do that? Because are you just going to keep stringing us along forever and ever and ever and and using this as whatever it is that maybe you're using it for if you are, like Sherry was talking about is a sci op. Is it a false flag? Is it any of these things? Or are you actually going to show us evidence? Because this is what we should be able to see,

especially if we know for sure and certain that we have actual hardcore evidence, that we have had downed spacecraft from other places or other dimensions even, or have communicated in some way, shape, or form with other dimensions or spiritual beings or whatever the case may be. If we know that, we should tell the people. But it's like Avi Loeb said, you know, even with the three eye. Atlas comet slash spacecraft. If, for example, when this thing either gets near Earth or the closest point to Earth,

which will be in October, November, December, somewhere around there, you know, if that thing did make a shift and kind of come towards Earth, Obie Loeb said, well, the stock market would crash. You know, everybody would be pulling out their money. They'd be doing all this crazy shit. It would completely destabilize our economies around the world. But what good is money going to do if a comet's going to hit the Earth? or a spacecraft, right, right? Or a hostile spacecraft.

You just don't know. But we also understand that like the powerful people in charge that are in charge of the money, that is everything. They are the elites for a reason. They make the billions and trillions of dollars. And so how much of those people are actually in charge of the dissemination of information based on stuff like UFOs or maybe changing people's spiritual minds or thinking on certain things? I don't personally think that if we actually get hard evidence of interdemandum,

beings or spacecraft, that it should change anybody's spiritual nature unless we just find out some kind of crazy something. But then even if you find something crazy out, like that would almost not even disprove God, but like, you know, put a whole different storyline in that whole story. I mean, people would still not believe it. They're going to still believe whatever they have believed forever. And there is that fact that maybe that's why they don't want it out there is to screw up. religion because religion has a hard stance in government.

I hate to say that, but it is the truth. I think government plays a role. But if you think about the photos, the videos that the government has actually let people see, you know, you see a fuzzy TikTok video. You see fuzzy, like not real good video of anything. Well, because most of that stuff is Fleer cameras. I mean, you know, stuff that we have on advanced fighter jets, you know, that can actually pick that up.

Because I see with my own eyes, I've seen things in the sky that are way better than that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And I think there's a lot of people out there that have seen things. And I just wonder, you know, where does all that information go? Nowhere. It goes nowhere. It goes on podcast and, you know, the internet and whatever.

And then a lot of times people call those people crazy because that's, you know, that's the narrative. But yes, I agree that we have seen things in the sky that defy gravity. It defies a simple explanation of advanced. technology, even in my opinion, especially when a one light breaks off into three and then it goes in various directions. I don't think that's government, do you? I don't think so. I mean, personally, no, I don't think so.

I do think that, you know, even back in, you know, Eisenhower days and some of our older presence that may have had connection or communication with extraterrestrials or maybe even spiritual entities, we don't know for sure, but there have been reports and CIA documents and all the stuff that have been declassified that, say that we have had presence in the past that have potentially even met, communicated, or made deals with whatever or whoever we're seeing in the sky. So we don't know. I think our government definitely knows a lot more.

I'm not necessarily saying Trump knows more. I'm not necessarily saying the elected officials know everything there is to know. Obviously, as Anna is coming on Joe's podcast, she doesn't know a lot. She's seen some things. They're only going to slow leak information. Yes. But someone knows. Like who is that someone that knows all.

And that's like the Epstein files, for example. Somebody has that information, but who has it? Yeah, exactly. Israel. Damn it. Israel again? Uh, anyways, let's keep going. So I was in a skiff and I can't discuss all that was in a skiff.

But what I can tell you is based on the photos that I've seen, I'm very confident that there's things out there that have not been created by mankind. It seems crazy that people. have access to information that shows that there's something outside of us that is more intelligent, at least more capable than we are, and they hide it from everybody else. What I can tell you is that when you have thousands upon thousands of people around the planet throughout time that have reported something. Right. To say that those people are crazy, to say that, you know, the whole concept of even just asking the question that you might not necessarily be psychologically sound, that in itself, You know, that's a disinformation campaign to get people to shut up about it. And that's that's a problem. We know that the U.S. government has not exactly been clean and a lot of what they've done

with the American people specifically to the topic of UFOs you had. Which makes you think that it's probably because there's something there. If you think about the motivation they had with Project Blue Book, when Jay Allen Hineck was running Project Blue Book, this specific intention was to discredit all stories. And he ended up ultimately, though, after all of his investigations becoming someone that was like, I think there's something cute. But that's true. By the way, a lot of people might not necessarily go on to Google and look up that information, but you can actually look up the declassified reports from Project Blue Book.

What's also interesting, though, is when we're talking about tech, right, the ability for this tech being that it exists to change dependence for entire governments on things like fossil fuel, et cetera, you know, it's, look, I think everyone has a moral obligation to do what they think is right. Okay. And so if you're in a position of power and you see something wrong and you're not addressing it,

I think, you know, this in itself, getting the truth out there for people to decide for themselves. I'm not telling you what to believe. I'm just telling you in our investigations and what we are pushing for in regard to transparency. I would like to see the federal government

roll out some of the stuff that we've been given access to because I think that that information belongs in the hands of the American people. And it's not even just the U.S. government. I mean, there's other countries around the world that have done certain things like this. Now, look, I've had a lot of crazy people show up at my office and say,

you know, I've heard it all. Yeah, I've been to Mars. You know, I have a chip in my brain on this stuff. They all have chips. We had this one guy that showed up that was like trying to give us a USB. He's like, put this in your computer. They're going to kill me for this. And like, runs away. And I'm like, I'm not putting that in my computer. But based on our investigations, what I will tell you is, you know, there's been two members of Congress that are actually helping to lead out these investigations with me. And the reason I say that is because up until last Congress, if you even said the word UAP or UFO, people actually told us that if we went forward with these investigations that we were going to ruin our political careers. And so,

you know, we're in the mindset of, well, like, why wouldn't we ask these questions? And also, too, if no one wants to touch it, like there has to be something here, right? Right. And so in these investigations, I mean, the amount of people that will come up to us, very successful people to multiple members of Congress that believe the same thing, it's definitely changed in regards to the stigma that used to exist about disclosure and all this. And so what we're trying to do currently was there's a big documentary that was filmed about a year and a half ago and we're trying to get a screening up on Capitol Hill. But look, I think a lot of people say, well, this is a distraction from everything else happening in the country right now. And all I'm simply trying to say is it's not a

distraction. The people that are kind of helping to divulge all this information, you have an intelligence community, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, Radcliffe, Cash Patel, they have been truly in regards to our other investigations, extremely transparent and wanting to get this information out. But it doesn't mean that within these intelligence communities, there isn't pushback. And so part of the reason why the task force was formed pertaining to things like UAP, pertaining to things like the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, pertaining to things like the JFK, MLK, and RFK investigations is because even though we don't hold declassification authority, what we're trying to do is push these agencies and be, if you will, the pit bull and the

attack dog on trying to get this information release. And to a lot of these agencies' credits, they've, been extremely transparent, and we have gotten wins specifically on the JFK stuff, and we're still looking to declassify and ask specifically on the UAP topic. What would be the rationale for keeping a photograph of a known absolute not of this world craft from the American people or from the world? Why would anybody think that that would be the smart thing to do is to limit the access of that information to a very small amount of people?

I think that part of the fear is that you have advisors at things. that, you know, the American people or humanity might not be able to handle it. There's this, like, protective complex. But then also, too, I think when you are talking about these things, for a lot of people, I think that it kind of can rock your world a little bit in regards to where you stand in a faith perspective. And then also, too, an aspect of, well, how do you even begin to explain it? And all I'm going to say is, look, and we can go.

go into some of the books that were removed from what we know as the modern day Bible, but I read through the book of Enoch multiple times. And I'm not saying that these things are angels. Okay, that's not at all what I'm saying. But what I am saying is that depending on where you are in regards to your whole perspective on whether or not God exists, like I believe in God, I'm a Christian, there has to have been, and there's admissions that there was other creations that God made, but that we were of the most price creation.

And so I think that this can open up a bigger topic of discussion. And she makes a lot of good points here. She's talking about Book of Enoch. I think it's funny when she talks about that Joe Rogan says, well, why do you think they don't want to give us this information? She's like, well, I think they maybe just want to kind of protect us. Oh, yeah. The government really wants to protect us, right?

We trust the government and they love to protect us. They want to make sure that everything is in our best interest and has no. nothing to do with money. It has nothing to do with control. It has nothing to do with any of that shit is to protect you guys. The old saying, like, I'm with the government. I'm here to help. Yeah. It's like the worst word you ever want to hear. Brian Colber or Katie, I'm here to help. Yeah. That's sad. But on the opposite version of that, what about the hundreds of thousands of people that do see things in the sky and want to know what the freak these things are? You're hiding it from us. And we want to know what it is because we see it with our own eyes. What is this?

Well, there's a lot of people. I mean, and this has happened not just in our lifetime. It's happened for, like I said, thousands of years. This happened for hundreds of years. We had huge accounts. The L.A., what was it? The L.A. UFO battle. Yeah, the L.A. invasion back in, I don't even know when it was.

The 30s, maybe? I don't remember. I'm not 100% sure, but this was when some massive light formation came and some, I mean, there were like UFOs, whatever these things were that invaded Los Angeles skies for, I think it was like days in this case. And no one ever explained that. There's been so many different sightings and occurrences of UFOs that people have documented, been well documented, whether it be video, whether it be the mainstream media, the news, you name it. We've had these accounts of this stuff for so long.

So, and I do think there have been people that have recorded things that look very real. I mean, there are actual videos out there that are real videos. They're not AI that multiple mainstream news sources have posted. and wrote stories on. Most of those just kind of get discarded. Like, don't worry about that. Don't worry about that. Don't worry about that.

Now, obviously, as we've said many times, yes, there is a concept to this, this like, you know, how much of what we see in the skies is reverse engineered technology versus actual aliens or interdimensional beings. And before we get into some more on the Anna Paulina Luna video, I did want to get into the Tucker Carlson video where he talked to Joe Rogan,

about some of the things that he heard in the background. Go ahead, Sherry. But just real quick, did you catch the part when she said she had all these crazy people coming to her office that, you know, been to Mars or whatever? But it was just really interesting that she said, there are some people that said, oh, I heard an elf or I saw an elf. And I again thought about Joe Rogan and DMT because they all talk about these elves they see when they do the DMT. Yeah, the major elves, yeah. And the DMT thing is so interesting, right? DMT, for those that don't know a lot about it,

DMT is actually produced from our brain from, I believe it's our pineal gland. I know the animals produce more DMT than humans do. You can actually go out and get DMT. I don't know if, I mean, it's not like readily available, like if you go out and try to find weed or something, but DMT is something that you can actually take and it puts you in this place.

many people think that our dreams actually are somehow connected to DMT and the DMT release in our brains. There also is a lot of people that believe that animals behave the way they do or they sense things more than we can because of their DMT release. And they have more DMT release. So it's almost like certain animals and there are certain animals that release more DMT. There are certain animals that have higher concentration of DMT release in their brain. if you look at those animals in particular they're often always very smart they sense things other you know that that we cannot or other animals cannot sense things and it's almost like they're tapping into that kind of world that that other dimension and we've talked too

about there have been multiple experiments with DMT and in particular there was one that there was seven or eight people that did DMT at the same time the same place and they all went to the same place in their DMT trip, whatever that was. Yeah, and they all saw the same elves or whatever. And I believe Joe Rogan has seen these elves that they talk about. Yeah, there's a lot of people that have. So in a way, and Paulina Luna just called Joe crazy. No, no, she's not, she's not calling Joe crazy.

It's just that, you know, I don't think people understand that there is a realm that our brains cannot necessarily access. Right. And DMT, I believe, allows your brain to be able to access that, right? in that realm and there's other ways I guess you can go about that. I know for example that Ron White, the comedian, you know,

he was one of the biggest drinkers. He was always one of the guys that went on stage with his liquor. Usually it was bourbon or something. And most of his shows, he would be pretty shitty by the end of him. That was just his thing. That was what made him,

what most people thought made him funny was he would get on stage. He would have a cigar. He would have his bourbon. He would get drunk throughout the show. He was really funny. And then one day he went down and did ayahuasca, which is similar to DMT. And this actually was the only thing that ever got him off of the alcohol.

It instantly cured him from ever wanting alcohol again. And I think that he went into this place understanding and wanting that to happen and to come out of this experiment or experience. And it did happen. And he's actually funnier in some cases, people say now than he was when he was drinking. So it's interesting. And they've used DMT and ayahuasca. you can get those people, you can go down to Mexico or wherever to where you have these doctor, not doctors, but they're called like medicine doctors.

Yeah, they're kind of like medicine doctors, but they're there with you when you go through this experience and they're there to like make sure you're calm and when you get into this realm. Some people freak out. They feel like they're dying. Some people do have that kind of experience. But that's why these, I don't know what you call these people, but that's why you have the companions next to you that kind of guide you through the process.

And it's so interesting. But it's also, the craziest thing is like, how do you put someone on something, a DMT release, and then they all see the same thing? Yeah. And that's what's crazy too. And do you not think that when we're talking about interdimensional beings, this possibly could be what they're doing to get to us? Maybe it's possible. And maybe when we go to them in some of these DMT things, maybe they're seeing us. Yeah.

And they're like, how in the hell did they get here? And that's crazy. And by the way, I guess I've never, like I've never touched. mushrooms. I've never done DMT. I've never done really basically anything. I've been a good boy as far as drugs go. And the main reason I've never really done drugs is because of the fact that I do have an addictive personality. And so like I don't want to do a drug that I might like because if I like it, then I'm going to be like, oh, I need more of this. And I just don't want to do that. Oh, that's kind of like when I got my teeth pulled the other day and I had the laughing gas. Oh, my gosh.

I was like trying to act like I wasn't like feeling it. So they give me more. Oh, my God. You're so retarded, dude. It was crazy. Because I loved it. That's hilarious. By the way, I do want to mention this before we get into the next video.

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and we have some kim trail stuff on there and we're going to be adding some things over the next few days that is investigate earth store dot com we can find the link right in the description as you guys are listening to this but i wanted to make sure that i mentioned that because we've been working on designs pretty heavily um so go and copy some merch because it's pretty cool and uh we're going to get some cooler stuff out there as well. So I wanted to go into this before we get into some more of the Anna Paulina Luna interview. Tucker went on Joe Rogan and this is what Tucker said about what he knew and what he has heard behind the scenes about what these UFO things really are.

And the reason why I say that maybe we should listen to Tucker a little bit is that number one, if you guys heard our episode the other day where we talked a little bit about Nick Fintes and Tucker Carlson and kind of their debate and yeah, and Candace Owens. And then, you know, we know for sure now that Tucker Carlson's dad was appointed. I think it was by Reagan or whoever. It kind of almost ahead the CIA in some ways, not necessarily the top, but he was up there. He was up there.

And so Tucker absolutely has connections. And then since he has moved on from now mainstream media and, you know, his dad is now dead. I believe his dad is dead now. Yeah, his dad's dead. But he has connections. he hears things behind the scenes. And this is what he went on, Joe Rogan, said a little while back,

probably about a year or two ago. Listen. I've got to experience. The deeper level is what, okay, so if they're spiritual beings, which I believe they are, like, it's a binary. They're either, you know,

you're on team good or team bad. You can assign any name to it you want, but like, what are these things? Are they good or bad? And I think some of them are bad. And if the U.S. government knows that or elements the people within the U.S. government know that, then, you know, then they're serving a bad force.

Well, when you say spiritual, like what makes you draw that conclusion that they're spiritual? What's the obvious? I mean, spiritual may be the wrong word. Supernatural. You know, they're beyond nature as we understand it. I mean, obviously they are. I mean, just chart their physical behavior. It doesn't, you know, it goes outside of what we understand about physics.

no visible means of propulsion, you know, coming at indescribable speed, hitting the ocean, continuing at speeds that are impossible under sea. I mean, in other words, if I take a, you know, 9mm, around a 7-6-2 by 39 and shoot you at 50 yards underwater in a swimming pool and it's even more intense than salt water because it's denser, you could catch the bullet if it even makes it to you, right? So if you have a craft and these object underwater that's traveling at 500 knots as measured by sonar right there, you're challenging understanding of physics. Like, what is that? How can

that be? So... They've tracked that. They've tracked things going 500 knots under the sea. Yeah, really. Yeah, much faster than any object can actually go under sea. Oh, for sure. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of stuff going on underwater and a lot.

And there's video of these things coming out of the sky into the water. and also emerging from the water. Right. Yeah. I want to stop for a second because Tucker makes a good point here. He says, you know, if our government is not telling us these things and these things are spiritual in nature, but meaning not good, evil, potentially. Like, is our government serving these things?

Like, you know, and that's what's really scary. And you got to think about that, right? If we do communicate with these things, we have some type of relationship with these things. And you might ask yourself, how would the governments around the world, and I'm not saying, all of these governments are serving these things necessarily. I'm not even saying ours is, but you, you oftentimes ask yourself, it seems like the government's always working against us,

not for us. They're always doing some kind of really shady shit behind the scenes. Even the Epstein stuff with the pedophilia and all of this other craziness. This is this is sins of flesh, which is exactly what the, the watchers did with the human women. It was a, it was a sin of flesh.

This is literally a major reason why, the flood happened. And there was a Noah's Ark to begin with. It was because of the sins of flesh, which was the fallen angels, the 200 fallen angels that came down, descended from heaven. They went and decided that they were going to rebel against God.

And so they then had sex with women to create Nephlam to then control the people, right? And then as the Bible talks about after the Nephlem are cast down, those spirits are still going to be on the earth. And those spirits will. try everything they possibly can to manipulate and put people in power and control when they need to because that was what Nephlem used to do in Enoch. They literally controlled the people.

They were created and then controlled the people. Weren't they on kind of God's counsel and they went against God because they didn't like what God was doing? And that's why they went against God? We don't know if the watchers, you know, the sons of God were necessarily 100% on the council. We don't know that. I don't think. What we do know is that they were at the very least 200 fallen angels. They were up there in God's... But they were pissed off about what God was doing.

And that's why they became fallen angels. Are they went against God? It's because they didn't like what was happening on Earth. Well, there's also other theories that believe that God actually sent them down to watch over mankind. And they instead rebelled against God and wanted to become their own gods. So it also talks about that as well. And these 200 of- I like that theory better.

No, no, absolutely. And these 200 fallen angels, these 200 watchers came down. They met on Mount Herman and they all kind of essentially talk to each other and said, this is what we're going to do. And are we all down to do this? We're going to rebel. Yeah, because that makes them sound like they're really bad.

But if they were rebelling against God, because they didn't like what was going on earth, for example, you know, murder and people having sex without. marriage or, you know, anything that goes against God's laws. I felt like part of that was because they're rebelling against God because they didn't like, they didn't like the way that God was letting Earth go. I have no idea. Enoch does not necessarily talk about that. It just talks about the fact that the watchers came down.

They rebelled against God and they decided that they were going to become the gods of earth. And then they created the Nephlem, which would then rule over the people. And by the way, the Nephlam are giant. Yes, they are giants. I mean, that's what the Enoch explains. It's also what the Bible, the Old Testament, and I believe it also mentions that in the New Testament as well. So are the spirits, are the things that we're seeing in our skies and all that stuff? And maybe who might be controlling our governments and our world leaders and our power structure? Are these beings of Nephlem, of past Nephlem spirit, which is evil? Are they controlling some politicians or our government? I know that sounds bashed. shit crazy, but I'm just telling you, it's possible. So, it's all so blurry, though. I don't think it's that.

Transmedium video. Yeah, I don't think some of it's that blurry. I think some of it's crystal clear. We just don't have access to it. Is that what you mean? Yeah. Just we haven't seen it. Correct.

So they have some stuff. For sure. So, but there's just a lot going on underwater and it's measured. And so whatever. I mean, these are all, again, this is like the most obvious observable level of it. But then you just ask yourself, like, what is this, actually? And, you know, if there's been extensive knowledge of this for decades, like maybe 80 years, at least, if not going back to the 30s, 90 years, you know, to what end? So there are two possible explanations, obvious explanations.

The first is the one you often hear, which is this is so heavy that if the public were to know about it, it would be just disruptive. It would be too scary. Like you don't want to scare people for no good reason. There's something we can do about it. And you also don't want to suggest that, you know, the U.S. military isn't capable of protecting the country, the homeland. And it does suggest that. If you can't control these objects in your airspace and that's known, if they can't, that's known. Okay.

Then that's just a limit to the power of the U.S. military. And you don't want to tell people that because then they, like, won't believe that they're safe. I get it. But then there's a deeper level, which is like, okay, what's your relationship with these things? what is the U.S. government's relationship with these things. And there's evidence that there is a relationship and that it's a longstanding. And that raises like a lot of questions about intent. And so like what is that?

And I just personally decided, you know, and people have been hurt by these things. You know, that's a fact. That's a fact. It's a knowable fact. It's a provable fact. And killed. And I'm not saying millions of people have been killed. by whatever these things are, but people have been killed, and it's known because it's working

its way through the courts out of the VA. So I don't know. An object that is, by definition, supernatural. It's above the laws of nature as we understand them. And that has resulted in the deaths of people. But we don't spend enough time thinking about what that adds up to. Like, not good, actually, not good. How many people do you think have died from these things?

I don't know, but I mean, I... And is it radiation sickness? Is it like, what is, what is the cause of death? So the person that I talked to, I interviewed someone who was a Stanford medical school professor who's out there and worth talking to, by the way. I'm talking about. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Effectively an expert witness in these cases. So he's an expert in brain injury.

Do you know him? Yeah. Yeah. Entirely credible person. Checks all the boxes that I care about. He's got patents. So he's like a lot of Stanford University professor. He's like independently rich.

I live in a remote place and he flew to my place at his own expense because he wanted to tell his story. So he's got no profit motive here. He's the most highly credentialed person at the university practically at Stanford Medical School. We consider that a big deal. And he's worked on this for over 10 years assessing the injuries to U.S. servicemen. from being in close proximity to these objects or having contact with these objects. And his conclusion, as you know, because you've talked to him, is that there's some kind of energy coming off here that scrambles people's brains or kills them.

And it's not exactly radiation, at least in his telling to me. So anyway, but the point is people have died. Yeah. And so, you know, it does raise a lot of questions about like what the hell. What the hell? Right? What the hell? American citizens have died and you're hiding it?

Why are you hiding that? Why would you hide that? Perhaps because they don't have any explanations because they're, it's so beyond our comprehension that they're still trying to piece it together. Like I would wonder how much interaction they really do have with these things. Like if I was from another planet or if I was some interdimensional being, I don't know how much I'd give a shit about the president. I don't know how much I'd give a shit about the government.

I would probably look at this infantile race, this species, this bizarre, territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons, this very weird species. I'd probably look at them as very chaotic. And I wouldn't really have much concern for who's running it, especially if they have the ability to travel at insane speeds and go undetected and well it depends like that okay so the template that you're using to understand this is like science fiction right these are an advanced race of beings from somewhere else but the temple that every other society before us is used is a spiritual one there is a whole world that we can't see that acts on people a supernatural world that's acting on us all the time for

good and bad every society has thought this before ours in fact every society in all recorded history has thought that until, I'll be specific, August 1945 when we dropped the atom bombs on Hiroshima Nagasaki, and all of a sudden the West is just officially secular. We're God. There is no God but us. And that's the world that we've grown up in, but that's an anomaly. Like, no one else has ever thought that. There's never been a society that thought that. Every other society has assumed, and they've had all kinds of different explanations and the details differ. But the core idea does not differ. It never has differed from caves until now that we're, we're. you're being acted on by spiritual forces at all times. And so to someone born before or living before 1945, I think it would have been much more obvious that this is the thing that every society has written about. And in fact, that battle, that unseen battle around us, that spiritual battle has like been the basis of every society, of every religion, not just Christianity. So, like, it's just, once you discard your very, very recent assumptions, relatively speaking, about how the world works, you're like, well, that kind of seems like the obvious explanation, right? There you go. And that was Tucker explaining kind of his thoughts and thought process on all of this.

And it's, you know, it's troubling. We know we have reports. We have people that have worked on. and it has been going through the courts, actually, through the VA and various others to where there are families that cannot get any compensation or any insurance or any coverage because of what their service members, what their family members went through

because of their interaction with these beings or these things. And we're talking about traumatic brain injury or death. And so a lot of times some of the reports I have read and some of this stuff is declassified is a lot of it did look like radiation type of sickness. But then there were very unexplained things to where their brain was essentially, it was almost like they had a massive head trauma type injury to where they had, you know, just imagine someone that had the worst stroke you could imagine. So they couldn't walk.

They could not speak. They were completely a vegetable for the rest of their lives. And those were in some cases, I guess you can say the ones that I'm not going to say lucky, but they are the ones that survived. And then there were others that did not survive. Now, some of the reports I've seen that there's at least 400 service members that have either died or had traumatic brain injury from encountering craft or beings. And oftentimes these things were overseas. They weren't necessarily always, particularly in the United States when it happened. it was when we were on missions, whether it be in the Middle East or wherever, that we would

have these instances occur. And so when a lot of these family members that were getting denied coverage by our government because of what their family member was involved in and the, you know, I guess the specific nature of that incident, they were denied coverage. They would go to Stanford University. Gary Nolan was the guy that, you know, was kind of looking at all these brains. scans and all this stuff. Could not explain it.

The only thing he could explain was this looks like some type of, it's almost like putting your brain in a massive microwave. Yeah. And frying it. Yeah. It's huge radiation. And it's not even just your brain. They often see heart damage, liver damage, kidney damage.

And if you notice, like when we see these UIPs that come among bases, they tend to go or gravitate towards where radiation is or nuclear weapons are. Yeah. They gravitate toward these places and sometimes they'll shut down the entire post. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's so interesting because there's also been the people, and we've talked about on other shows to where they say that this is all part of the big plan. They want to make you believe that these things are coming down.

They are deactivating our nuclear silos. They're activating our nuclear silos. We've seen some reports back in history that says this was going to be the big plan. We talked about on the last episode with three eye outlets. and we kind of went in in a little bit of detail on that. But the big question is, I guess, is we have to figure out what they are. We have to have transparency. We have to have disclosure.

But, you know, who's actually going to give us disclosure? The one thing I think that Tucker talked about here over and over again was he believes our government has a relationship with these things. And I've heard this before. We already talked about that earlier. I think that we have had presidents that have established relationships with these entities to where we don't know exactly what that relationship consists of. We don't know what the guidelines are on how we interact with each other.

But, you know, if you look at the way our government reacts, if you look at all the secrecy, if you look at even the Epstein, you look at all the crazy shit that's always happened, president's being killed, and you name it, there's something. I'm not saying this because of interdimensional beings. I'm not even saying this because of UFOs. But if you do believe the narrative that, hey, maybe we do have a relationship with these craft. You have to ask yourself why and what is the nature of that relationship?

Because I think that's very important. Yeah. And why is there no disclosure? Yeah. Well, there's no disclosure. I mean, because I think if they disclosed what it's actually going on, you know, and as they all say, I think it kind of reshapes our minds thinking, whether it be biblically or just the way we live our lives every day, how do we react?

How do we wake up? What do we think about? how do we think about life in the same way again if we know that for example we have beings from another place that we have on this earth and then the bigger question is like if you do come out as the u.s. government and say hey look we have interdimensional beings that we have had contact with we have biologics for example these are physical beings of nature we've had reports of some of these aliens these biologics being small little things then maybe they're like three or four feet tall. They don't necessarily talk, but we've heard rumors and speculation

that they are telepathic. They are able to communicate with you through some other realm and some other frequency, I guess you can say. They have harnessed that, however that is. You know, obviously some of the descriptions of aliens don't necessarily line up with Nephlam or any of that stuff. Right. Because they're often the opposite of Nephlam. Nephlim were giants. These aliens that we hear about are small. Yeah. Well, it depends on which aliens, but yeah. But we also have to understand that if nephlum are abound on the earth, as the Bible talks about, and they are the evil spirits, you know, one of the things that the Nephlam always hated, they were jealous of people. They were jealous of humans.

They hated the fact that they were not pure flesh and blood and humans that were God's people. And that's why they've always kind of hated mankind. That's why they ruled mankind. That's why they were very heinous them. And they are including cannibalism, kind of explains in Enoch. But, you know, could they potentially inhabit a physical body to be able to actually physically react and interact with mankind today? I don't know. The Bible doesn't necessarily talk about that. It does talk about the fact that we are not of flesh and blood, but rather of principalities and kind of spirits, right? And that is what we battle with more than anything. Yeah. So what do you think at this point, knowing everything you know, and as long as we've done

this podcast, do you think these things are all the same thing all the way around? Is it all government? Is it government that learned through reverse engineering? Is it kind of both? Or is there way more things than we even understand? I mean, if like I said, there's people that you can ask about the Bible that say, look, if there's anything on this earth that is not human, it is not good. I just don't believe that. Yeah. And I believe that we are being visiting. visited by things that are not just like devil or spiritual in nature. Yeah. And the Bible also talks about archangels,

archangels, which they extensively talked about, especially in Enoch, with the various archangels that helped Enoch and kind of fought battles against the Nephlem and the spirits and all of them. Archangels are also on this earth. Yeah, but I also think that this is more supernatural than spiritual.

And that's why I was asking the question earlier, Like, what do you think the difference is? Because supernatural and spiritual to me are two different things. I think that people often also kind of brush over the fact that the Bible also talks about that there are archangels. There are angels also on earth that also watch over earth today. So, you know, are we saying that the only things that people could see or communicate with are evil in nature? Because I think, and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, I mean, I want you guys to do some research on this and I will as well, is it possible that you could also communicate and interact

with angelic beings that are of God and not of evil? Because according to the Bible, throughout the Bible, all these people over thousands of years interacted with angels. I mean, most of the accounts of all of these, whether it be disciples or just various characters in the Bible, they mostly interacted with what they believed to be angels. Yeah, I get that. But My point about this whole thing is we are not the only intelligent life in the universe. There is other intelligent life out there. And I'm not saying that I'm an angel. And because I live on earth and I'm a human being doesn't mean that I have powers outside of, you know, anything else.

What I'm saying is I think there is intelligent life outside of earth. Yes. I agree. That can visit us and it doesn't have to be spiritual in nature. And get what you're saying. So, yeah, what you're basically saying is, is that, you know, from a Christian perspective, they believe that, like, anything that we're going to witness or encounter is all from a spiritual being, whether it be evil or good, right?

But what you're saying is that we may also be visited by other creatures or beings or interdimensional entities. And maybe they were made by God. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, if you believe that God created the universe in all things, then, yes, you would say that they were also created. The Bible never really talks about that necessarily, right? I mean, the Bible doesn't say that there are other planets that he also created and, you know, manifested these places like Earth and people like humans or close to that.

I mean, it doesn't talk about that. Does that mean that it is not there? Does that mean that doesn't exist? I mean, it goes back to the argument of why did they take out the Book of Enoch? And what other books or what other text have we not been privy to? Like what other things have we not ever read because they took them out thousands of years ago? Or what if there were books or text before anything we're even talking about now? We don't know.

And I understand there are definitely people out there right now that's like, no, the Bible is 100% word for word, the truth. And if you believe anything outside of that, then you're wrong. But I think what Sherry's saying, obviously we're on our spiritual journey, I just think that there is possibilities that we don't understand everything. And I don't think we do understand everything. I don't think anybody in the Bible understood everything. And so I agree with your point to say that it's not necessarily the case that everything we encounter on this earth, whether it be interdimensional, spiritual or paranormal. Yeah, whatever. Yeah.

That's not to say that everything necessarily is related to the context and the lens of the Bible. It could be things outside that we have no. idea about. And I think that's what you're saying. And I think that's very possible. And so I will say that. I do agree with that point. And I also understand, especially with the people that we talk to on a regular basis, most of those people would probably disagree. Most of those people will say, nope, I don't believe that because this is the way it is. This is what the word says. And it doesn't mention anything about that. So I'm not believing it. But just because something doesn't necessarily mention it or talk about it, you know, in text or terms, doesn't mean it don't exist.

But also, I think the Bible talks about things that we don't understand completely. There are various heavens and multiple heavens. There are other places that is not, that never goes into detail. And I understand that, like, people wrote the Bible for the most part, right? And, you know, oftentimes people think, well, it's God's word. And that's what Christians think is the Bible is God's word written through people. but are we to say that the people and all the people that were right in the Bible back in the day were perfect and they got everything right for some reason because it was back then I don't know right I mean do we trust everything that is written today no and I'm not saying the Bible as false or not accurate I do believe in the Bible I just think that there are things that maybe we don't know about that are not included in the Bible for whatever reason whether that is because of they didn't want to include it like the book v. Enoch and like other books that were also not a part of the 66

books or the canon as they call it. I don't know. You guys let us know what you think because that is an interesting topic, right? I mean, the topic is if some of these things are interdimensional, if they are this kind of spirit world, does that mean they have to be of the Bible? Does that mean that we can get to the conclusion of what they are based on the Bible? that's where I would probably say maybe not. And I think that's what you're kind of saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It would be crazy for me to think that we are the only living things in the universe.

Yeah, I agree. I 100% agree with that. All right, but guys, that's going to do it for us on this episode. Let us know what you guys think. Let us know, do you think that everything that we are seeing today is all through a biblical lens? Or do you think there is room for other topics and speculation? Because I think that's what Sherry was saying. I think it is possible.

Like we have a massive universe. And is all of that been explained to us in the Bible word for word? And I don't think it has been. But let us know what you think. Reach out to us on social media. Until next time, guys. This is What Should I Do by Love and Calibur. Love you guys.

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